May 23, 2009 
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May 23, 2009 [00:00:30] <halfhelf> the NeXT runs nextstep 3.3 currently, gonna stick opensteop 4.2 on it soon, the p4 isnt running anything right now, the old laptop is running windows 95 and the other two towers are running xp[00:00:44] <halfhelf> and before you laugh, windows 95 on my old laptop has been rock solid for 5 years[00:00:57] <halfhelf> :P[00:01:15] <halfhelf> i decided that laptop was getting too long in the tooth.. so i bought the mini 9[00:03:07] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[00:03:58] <BePhantom> ha, does it still have 95?[00:05:29] <V_Machine> win95 seemed to be the last stable system Microsoft spewed out of its arse. However of you baby win98se it was ok too.[00:05:52] <BePhantom> xp is very stable imo[00:07:01] *** redblue has joined #haiku[00:07:32] <halfhelf> yes, still running win95[00:07:43] <V_Machine> xp had a very rocky start and I gets lots of conflicting opinions about it. Personally my experience with it was painful for the laptop I was trying to install it on.[00:07:49] <halfhelf> nt4sp6a is still probably one of my favorite of microsofts releaves[00:07:52] <halfhelf> *releases[00:08:09] <halfhelf> they forced me to upgrade my work pc[00:08:12] <halfhelf> to xp :([00:08:15] <halfhelf> i forget why[00:08:32] <halfhelf> i came into work one day and had a new hdd sitting next to my work pcand my old one was gone. lol[00:08:39] <halfhelf> it had a note that said "install xp"[00:08:44] <BePhantom> halfhelf, what do you use your next box for?[00:08:53] <halfhelf> everything[00:09:15] <halfhelf> well, not mcuh lately, but when get internet turned back on ill be using it a lot[00:09:22] <BePhantom> what are its specs?[00:10:09] <pyCube> old[00:10:15] <halfhelf> 33mhz 68040, 25mhz 56000 dsp, 128mb 60ns interleaved EDO, 2gb internal scsi, 4gb external scsi, external scsi cd drive, 2.88mb floppy drive[00:10:21] <halfhelf> 10mbit ethernet[00:10:33] <BePhantom> miqlas, i tried to install chrome in wine but it failed :D[00:10:39] * halfhelf smacks cube[00:10:41] * halfhelf smacks cu:P[00:10:51] <halfhelf> gah, i fat finger a lot on this keyboard still[00:11:00] <miqlas> BePhantom: on Haiku? :D[00:11:09] <BePhantom> 33mhz, can you really do something with it?[00:11:10] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[00:11:16] <halfhelf> uh, yeah?[00:11:31] <BePhantom> miqlas, haha no :D[00:11:47] <BePhantom> halfhelf, interesting[00:11:49] <halfhelf> you'd be surprised at how quick older machines with good OSes are[00:12:06] <pyCube> like a 7.25mhz amiga with 512k of ram.. remarkably useful[00:12:09] <halfhelf> has 10 DMA channels controlled by custom ICs[00:12:21] <pyCube> well, gotta bump it to 1 meg ram to really be in teh clear[00:12:23] <pyCube> but still.. hehe[00:12:27] <halfhelf> heh[00:12:31] <V_Machine> there are many jobs the old girls can still do.[00:12:35] <halfhelf> BePhantom, when i had internet still[00:13:13] <BePhantom> yeah but 33mhz or 7mhz, you cant even play a mp3[00:13:21] <halfhelf> i routinely had irc going, IM clients, web browser, pdfs, wysiwyg editors, music streaming off the internet going all at once[00:13:32] <halfhelf> oh and several ssh sessions and usually a few games like nethack running[00:13:40] <halfhelf> 33mhz is plenty for mp3s[00:13:44] <halfhelf> plus it has a 25mhz dsp[00:13:49] <halfhelf> which is plenty for mp3s[00:14:01] <halfhelf> my NeXT plays 192kbps, 44khz, stereo mp3s fine[00:14:48] <BePhantom> my 486 DX4 100mhz wasnt even remotely able to play mp3s :P[00:15:02] *** redblue has quit IRC[00:15:05] <pyCube> amazing what a shitty os will (er, wont) do[00:15:37] <halfhelf> a 486 dx4 100 can easily play mp3s[00:15:41] <halfhelf> you had crap programs[00:15:42] <BePhantom> windows 95, then 98[00:15:43] <halfhelf> http://helf.freeshell.org/screengrab-02-15-2008.jpg[00:16:00] <halfhelf> i played mp3s on my old 486 dx2 75mhz[00:16:07] <BePhantom> and DOS in the begining, but mp3s were not in fashion at that time[00:16:09] <V_Machine> I was able to get DVD play back on a 486 133mhz with linux and vidix drivers (not X)[00:16:28] <halfhelf> V_Machine, an amd 486?[00:16:35] <halfhelf> or overclocked dx4?[00:16:39] <V_Machine> pent[00:16:45] <halfhelf> pentium isnt a 486[00:16:59] <BePhantom> my 486 was cyrix[00:17:01] <halfhelf> BePhantom, thats my NeXT desktop[00:17:09] <halfhelf> then yours wanst a dx4 either[00:17:11] <BePhantom> not intel[00:17:15] <V_Machine> PII[00:17:28] <halfhelf> well, thats a old screenshot, but hasnt changed much[00:18:04] <BePhantom> halfhelf, doom? :D[00:18:06] <pyCube> i have an arm 486 68020 powerpc cpu[00:18:14] <halfhelf> lol pyCube[00:18:20] <halfhelf> BePhantom, yes[00:18:22] <halfhelf> runs fine[00:18:24] <halfhelf> with sound[00:19:01] <halfhelf> BePhantom, contrary to popular belief, machines that are slower than 1ghz are still plenty useful ;)[00:19:19] <BePhantom> halfhelf, sure, but 30mhz is... well :D[00:19:25] <halfhelf> 33[00:19:26] <halfhelf> :P[00:19:35] <halfhelf> you are just used to shitty OSes ;)[00:19:46] <BePhantom> :P[00:19:48] <V_Machine> just pipe everything to the pci gfx card and the cpu was at %30 to decode the audio and %65 to decode the video according to mplayer but it would not deinterlace so some DVDs looked like crap.[00:20:25] <halfhelf> BePhantom, when i get my cable connection back up, ill probably host a personal site on my NeXT[00:20:45] <BePhantom> heck, me k6-2 400mhz wasnt even able to play dvds properly (not even in beos), i had to buy a hollywood plus hardware decoder[00:20:50] <BePhantom> my*[00:21:00] <halfhelf> php5, postgresql, apache2 etc were all recently ported[00:21:19] <halfhelf> lots of up to date software for my NeXT[00:21:42] <BePhantom> halfhelf, does haiku run in that one?[00:22:26] <V_Machine> I would not expect beos to do video overlay well at all.... well not yet[00:22:36] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[00:22:46] <BePhantom> V_Machine, my BeOS box had overlay[00:22:48] *** redblue has joined #haiku[00:23:06] <BePhantom> i had an old 3dfx Voodoo 3[00:23:16] <V_Machine> so does Xserver and it couldn't do it[00:23:26] * BePhantom remembers good old 3dfx times :)[00:23:40] <BePhantom> damn you nvidia[00:23:41] <BePhantom> :D[00:23:46] <pyCube> uh[00:23:59] <pyCube> does it really matter which company is bending you over?[00:24:32] <pyCube> f--k 'em all, i say[00:25:11] <V_Machine> ewww, at least break out some lube[00:25:37] <pyCube> V_Machine, which brand?[00:26:47] <V_Machine> lol Easy-Off[00:26:48] <BePhantom> halfhelf[00:27:28] <halfhelf> haiku run on what?[00:27:34] <halfhelf> the NeXT?[00:27:55] *** Barrett` has quit IRC[00:28:08] <BePhantom> do you have haiku installed in one of your pcs?[00:28:33] <halfhelf> ive run it in virtualbox on my big lapto pat work[00:28:40] <halfhelf> need to update my build[00:30:08] <halfhelf> i have a voodoo 5 i used up till my agp machien died[00:30:10] <halfhelf> i love that card[00:33:43] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[00:33:56] <halfhelf> bbiab, dinner[00:34:58] *** redblue has quit IRC[00:35:35] <BePhantom> pyCube, look at this http://helf.freeshell.org/79spitfire.jpg[00:35:42] <BePhantom> beautiful isnt it?[00:36:17] <pyCube> relatively, yeah[00:36:39] <pyCube> moreso than, say, a 1979 ford pinto[00:37:45] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[00:39:28] <pyCube> hehe[00:39:47] <pyCube> 79 wasnt the greatest year for cars[00:40:03] <pyCube> 911's were nice then though[00:40:32] *** redblue has joined #haiku[00:41:24] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[00:41:59] <BePhantom> that's halfhelf next on the left http://helf.freeshell.org/my_desk-7-06-08-small.jpg[00:42:03] <BePhantom> :)[00:42:28] <BePhantom> and a dell runing beos?[00:43:08] <BePhantom> looks like beos max[00:45:42] <pyCube> BePhantom, see, now this is a beautiful car.. http://www.p914.com/p914-resources/p914-paint/p914-paint-1971-6-1510-01.jpg[00:46:23] <BePhantom> pyCube, couldnt agree more. I like the spitfire too tho :)[00:46:34] <pyCube> eheh.. me too actually..[00:46:43] <pyCube> i am just obligated to give brit cars a hard time[00:46:53] <pyCube> ...f'ing brits[00:46:55] <pyCube> :-p[00:47:28] <BePhantom> haha[00:48:54] <BePhantom> the do make good cars, don't they?[00:49:28] <pyCube> nice looking cars anyway[00:49:30] <pyCube> hehe[00:52:27] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[00:52:37] <pyCube> yay. .time to for to drive home... thanksfully, that means driving on this.. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3492/3186852030_161bfc107e.jpg?v=0[00:57:13] <BePhantom> pyCube, i hate you :)[00:59:59] *** stippi has quit IRC[01:02:36] <halfhelf> BePhantom, that is my gx1 and it was running beos r5 with gobs of updates[01:02:40] <halfhelf> wasnt running beos max...[01:02:43] <halfhelf> maxsucked[01:03:27] <halfhelf> my gx1 is running ubuntu right now. might try and get r5 on it again later[01:03:33] <halfhelf> may make it my beos tower[01:04:10] <halfhelf> that spitfire was mine.[01:04:24] <BePhantom> halfhelf, beautiful car[01:04:25] <halfhelf> i hated the bumpers ,wanted to put 6s model bumpers on it/. never got around to it[01:04:27] <halfhelf> ended up selling it[01:07:01] <BePhantom> halfhelf, i think there's a picture of you :D[01:07:11] *** mmadia has quit IRC[01:07:16] <halfhelf> several of me up there i think[01:07:39] *** glootech has quit IRC[01:07:49] <BePhantom> one on a very awesome motorcycle[01:08:09] <BePhantom> you seem to enjoy motorcycles and cars very much :)[01:08:12] <halfhelf> which pic? thats probably my ex bro-in-law[01:08:34] <halfhelf> i love cars. havent owned a motorcycle yet. but i like them somewhat. my sisters current fiance is a harley mechanic[01:08:49] <BePhantom> http://helf.freeshell.org/trip_pics/IMG_2537.JPG[01:09:07] <BePhantom> awesome bike[01:09:22] <BePhantom> what is it?[01:09:29] <halfhelf> yeah, bro in law, and my dad next to it in the santa hat[01:09:32] <halfhelf> some harley[01:09:34] <halfhelf> was really nice[01:09:53] <BePhantom> is that a harley? doesnt look like one[01:10:22] <halfhelf> the prom pic has me in i[01:10:22] <halfhelf> it[01:10:28] <BePhantom> im more of a car person, not into bikes very much :D[01:10:47] *** glootech has joined #haiku[01:11:18] <halfhelf> its a harley[01:11:51] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, here/there?[01:11:58] <halfhelf> has the signature harley V-Twin engine :P[01:12:14] <JonathanThompson> Nope![01:12:19] <BePhantom> halfhelf, ah yeah, very small one :)[01:12:34] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, wanna see my apartment's floor fixed?[01:12:37] <BePhantom> got some pictures :)[01:12:50] <JonathanThompson> You mean you don't want it reproducing other little floors???[01:13:13] <BePhantom> haha, yeah it was on heat[01:14:58] <BePhantom> this is my bedroom before http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1117724/27042009037.jpg[01:15:25] <BePhantom> check the ugly carpet :D[01:15:32] <BePhantom> now after http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1117724/02052009067.jpg[01:16:58] * JonathanThompson hopes BePhantom doesn't soon need to get a hernia fixed[01:17:31] <BePhantom> why?[01:17:46] <JonathanThompson> Well, you posted before/after pictures for your floor...[01:19:00] <halfhelf> if anyone gets a hernia, itll be me after i move this to my room[01:19:04] <halfhelf> http://helf.freeshell.org/SGI_IRIS_3130/me_n_IRIS-3130.jpg[01:19:07] <BePhantom> no, i couldnt do it, you need special equipment to do the job[01:19:28] <JonathanThompson> Yeah, a scalpel will likely do a better job than a paring knife ;)[01:19:39] <BePhantom> i hired a bunch of guys who fix on wooden floor[01:20:14] <JonathanThompson> IS that thing stuffed to the gills with a power supply and hard drives to use it, halfhelf ?[01:20:24] <halfhelf> yes[01:20:44] <dr_evil> nice picture, BePhantom. this is my livingroom: http://overhagen.de/fliesen/220520097577.jpg[01:20:50] <halfhelf> has 19 of its 20 slots filled with daughter boards=[01:20:58] * JonathanThompson wonders about the upcoming Transformers movie coming on June 24th[01:22:19] <BePhantom> this is my sister's bedroom before http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1117724/27042009032.jpg[01:22:42] <BePhantom> and after http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1117724/27042009049.jpg[01:24:22] <BePhantom> oh no, that's mine, but hers look very much alike :)[01:24:52] <BePhantom> dr_evil, looks like it need much work :)[01:25:25] <BePhantom> halfhelf, is that R2D2?[01:25:49] <halfhelf> no :P[01:26:26] <dr_evil> BePhantom I started today with the tiles[01:28:01] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, i have this in my living room, it's really space saver (dont look at the floor tho) http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1117724/18042009019.jpg[01:28:09] <BePhantom> you should get one[01:28:11] <dr_evil> continuing tomorrow, good night[01:28:38] <BePhantom> the seats have storage space[01:28:46] <JonathanThompson> Referring to the table in the corner, or the stacked pile of stuff?[01:28:59] <BePhantom> table in the corner with chairs[01:29:10] <JonathanThompson> The dining area doesn't look like the storage would be all that big :)[01:29:13] <BePhantom> the whole thing in the corner :D[01:30:01] <JonathanThompson> I mean, think about it: it's a stationary bench wrapped around a corner, and there's all that empty space underneath the seating area up from the floor![01:30:03] <BePhantom> you lift the seats and there's space for storage things[01:30:44] <JonathanThompson> So, you can sit about 6 people at that table, rubbing elbows?[01:30:55] <JonathanThompson> And knocking knees? :)[01:31:06] <BePhantom> 5[01:31:23] * JonathanThompson thinks perhaps BePhantom isn't creative enough :D[01:31:53] <BePhantom> if you dont mind people in your personal space then it's great :)[01:32:15] <BePhantom> i dont mind :)[01:33:38] <BePhantom> i didnt have a saying in the purchase of this thing, i moved in and was here[01:34:03] <JonathanThompson> There are far worse things you could have found there provided for you without your choice in the matter :)[01:34:44] <JonathanThompson> Seems with as straight of a back as it has, it may not be the most comfortable on the bench area, but hey, you don't have to deal with moving it around, right?[01:35:43] <BePhantom> yes, it's not very comfortable indeed, i dare you stay there for more than half an hour :D[01:36:14] *** mmadia42 has joined #haiku[01:36:57] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps it was deliberately designed that way by people afraid of getting fat :D[01:37:35] <halfhelf> hi matt[01:38:02] <mmadia42> hi sh[01:38:20] <mmadia42> or wolud that be "hi jo"... which half are you tonight?[01:38:33] <halfhelf> the better half[01:38:55] <BePhantom> after 30 min you basically feel like if someone has anesthesized your ass[01:41:16] <BePhantom> hola mmadia42 :)[01:41:27] <mmadia42> hi BePhantom[01:41:36] <BePhantom> what's with the 42? :)[01:41:46] <BePhantom> is that your age?[01:42:21] <mmadia42> one year it will be. it's a throw-back to the HitchHikers Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams.[01:42:34] <JonathanThompson> The better helf?[01:42:49] * JonathanThompson considers there can be no better helf in existence[01:43:35] *** saimon69 has joined #haiku[01:44:03] <BePhantom> "In Douglas Adams' The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, 42 is the number from which all meaning ("the meaning of life, the universe, and everything") could be derived. " :)[01:44:03] * JonathanThompson likes to Josh helf[01:44:29][01:44:31] <BePhantom> :)[01:44:52] * JonathanThompson notes BePhantom doesn't get it[01:45:00] <JonathanThompson> Helps to know his real name ;)[01:45:10] <BePhantom> no i dont get it :D[01:45:28] *** dchis has quit IRC[01:45:38] * BePhantom doesnt understand JonathanThompson's subtle humor :D[01:47:35] * JonathanThompson notes a lot of people note they don't understand JonathanThompson's subtle (or not!) humor[01:53:15] *** halfhelf has quit IRC[01:53:16] <mmadia42> who here's tinkered with building cd images of Haiku ?[01:53:23] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[01:54:35] <gordonjcp> bah[01:54:43] <gordonjcp> I can't get a damn thing to build right now[01:54:46] * BePhantom wishes he knew what tinkered is :D[01:54:57] <pyCube_> yay for home-ness[01:55:01] <gordonjcp> sneaking suspicion I'll have to blat my haiku dir and re-download it[01:55:09] * JonathanThompson tinkers with BePhantom's mind with his humor[01:55:09] <gordonjcp> pyCube_: yay for homebrew-ness[01:55:28] <gordonjcp> http://www.gjcp.net/blog/2009/may/23/homebrew-supper/ <- fuckyeah[01:55:56] <mmadia42> ooh, swing tops.[01:56:05] <gordonjcp> mmadia42: yeah[01:56:05] <pyCube_> i dunno whats worse.. jammed up traffic on freeways, or taking the sweet backroads and getting stuck behind some f--k lugging a camper or horse trailer or some shit that REFUSES to use the pullouts to let cars by[01:56:11] <BePhantom> gordonjcp, awesome survival kit![01:56:34] <gordonjcp> BePhantom: I can make pies, I can make beer, I can make radio equipment and I can make biodiesel[01:56:50] * JonathanThompson wants to beat the crap out of all the fool media twits that use "fired" when "laid off" is correct[01:57:04] <gordonjcp> BePhantom: if you want a space in my nuclear bunker, book early to avoid disappointment[01:57:25] <BePhantom> gordonjcp, haha[01:57:26] <mmadia42> gordonjcp : how do you brew --- all grain, partial, steeping grains, extract ?[01:57:33] <gordonjcp> mmadia42: extract[01:57:46] <gordonjcp> mmadia42: I've done the all grain and partial grain route, and it's a PITA[01:57:50] <umccullough> beeeeeer[01:57:58] <umccullough> damnit, i knew i forgot something on my way home![01:58:07] <gordonjcp> I guess if I was doing a larger quantity than 5 gallons at a time it might be better[01:58:22] <gordonjcp> mmadia42: extract is cheap and quick and gives you good results very easily[02:02:46] *** glootech has quit IRC[02:03:15] <pyCube_> you guys oughta go all out and grow your own grains and hops[02:04:08] *** adamk has joined #haiku[02:08:30] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[02:08:41] <mmadia42> that would be ideal :)[02:10:25] <BePhantom> pyCube_ i live on the 11th floor, not much space for growing things :)[02:10:47] <mmadia42> is the 12th floor the roof? :P[02:11:01] <BePhantom> no, that would be the 15th :)[02:13:13] <stpere> week end![02:13:17] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[02:13:41] <mmadia42> stpere , any interest in trying a patch that's causing my system to reboot w/o warning? :D[02:13:56] <stpere> heh[02:13:59] <stpere> well, hmm[02:14:15] <mmadia42> i mentioned the pastebin link in the other channel.[02:14:17] <stpere> any risk of data loss ?[02:14:22] <stpere> :)[02:14:49] <mmadia42> no more than from any other instant reboot :P[02:15:20] <pyCube_> BePhantom: i think if i had to live in an apartment like that, i'd give suicide some serious consideration[02:15:25] <stpere> and what should I test about it? just confirm it reboots here too?[02:15:50] <BePhantom> pyCube_ why?[02:16:40] <pyCube_> i am a country kid.. i needs muh space[02:16:58] <BePhantom> you get used to it[02:17:16] <BePhantom> i lived all my life in small towns in the south[02:17:18] <pyCube_> perhaps.. i'd rather not though[02:18:00] <BePhantom> in houses, then i moved to this apartment here in the city, at first was hard specially because i had a fear to hights[02:18:23] <BePhantom> i eventually got used to it[02:18:38] <BePhantom> this is my view http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1117724/depto.jpg[02:18:55] <pyCube_> i experienced living in flats when i was living in europe.. no thanks.. hehe[02:20:15] <BePhantom> :)[02:26:37] *** surround1r has joined #haiku[02:27:23] *** surrounder has quit IRC[02:31:29] <BePhantom> mmadia42[02:31:35] <mmadia42> ?[02:31:56] <BePhantom> is there test live cd?[02:32:11] <mmadia42> officially no.[02:32:30] <mmadia42> one can be built from source, but it'll mostly be a plain vanilla image.[02:33:16] <BePhantom> mmadia42, is there an unofficial iso? so i can test it[02:33:26] <BePhantom> already built[02:33:34] <mmadia42> no comment ;)[02:33:57] <mmadia42> if there are any floating around ,then they shouldn't be using the "Haiku" name.[02:34:31] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[02:34:32] <BePhantom> ok :D[02:34:41] <mmadia42> tonight, i'm trying to figure out how to extend the build system, so as to create pre-alpha cd's.[02:35:03] <BePhantom> i would like to test a pre build cd[02:35:07] <mmadia42> unfortunately, my fuel supply is dangerously low[02:35:21] <BePhantom> mmadia42, buy some more beer :)[02:35:53] <mmadia42> i shouldn't drive -- medicine in one eye blurs the vision.[02:37:38] *** miqlas has quit IRC[02:38:52] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[02:38:53] *** halfhelf has joined #haiku[02:38:55] <halfhelf> lol[02:38:55] <halfhelf> http://objectiveministries.org/creation/propaganda.html[02:39:57] <BePhantom> i saw that evolution documentary :D[02:40:07] <BePhantom> i thought it was quite entertaining[02:44:38] <pyCube_> sheesh[02:45:33] *** umccullough_aa1 has joined #haiku[02:48:25] *** ulterior_modem has quit IRC[02:52:21] *** [1]umccullough_a has joined #haiku[02:53:24] <BePhantom> " Another reader (it has been busy today!) has informed me of another link between Apple and the forces of darkness"[02:53:32] <BePhantom> :D[02:53:58] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[02:54:54] <BePhantom> that dude is kidding right?[03:00:20] *** [1]umccullough_a has quit IRC[03:06:37] <miqlas> Ohhh...: cavsdsp.c:545: internal compiler error: Segmentation violation[03:06:46] <miqlas> I got this in GCC4 Haiku.[03:09:40] *** umccullough_aa1 has quit IRC[03:09:40] *** halfhelf has quit IRC[03:11:53] <miqlas> Hmmmh...[03:12:49] <miqlas> Is anybody here?[03:13:56] *** miqlas has quit IRC[03:14:01] <mmadia42> . . .[03:14:37] *** halfhelf has joined #haiku[03:14:43] <halfhelf> i haz internet[03:16:02] * BePhantom is on the phone[03:18:37] <BePhantom> halfhelf, you finally have internet in your next box?[03:19:41] <halfhelf> no, at a friends house[03:19:48] <halfhelf> i wont have internet back at my holeuse for awhi[03:19:59] <halfhelf> *house for awhile[03:22:17] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[03:23:01] *** ulterior_modem has joined #Haiku[03:24:58] <BePhantom> be back later, i got some gaming to do :)[03:25:45] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[03:41:16] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[03:51:28] *** saimon69 has left #haiku[03:55:35] <pyCube_> according to a facebook quiz, i am a "Paleo-Conservative"[03:55:57] <V_Machine> ah cool I can just copy the files and use the source to make the drive bootable from linux. The will save boat loads of time[03:56:12] <V_Machine> s/The/That/[03:56:12] *** ulterior_modem has quit IRC[04:04:04] *** halfhelf has quit IRC[04:04:42] <mmadia42> ballsweat! the source tree i just finished scp'ing from my bsd box used a newer version of subversion.[04:05:57] <V_Machine> God I hate that[04:06:04] <pyCube_> hehe.. that does suck[04:06:06] <V_Machine> Is there anyway around that?[04:06:09] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[04:07:02] <mmadia42> zip -2ry haiku-src /haiku-src/haiku on this haiku machine, then scp it to freebsd, then scp it to the other haiku machine :\[04:12:22] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[04:12:36] *** mattlacey_ has joined #haiku[04:17:22] *** ulterior_modem has joined #Haiku[04:18:09] *** thotypous has quit IRC[04:22:11] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[04:23:47] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[04:27:57] *** fcr has joined #haiku[04:37:50] *** mattlacey_ has quit IRC[04:39:35] *** Carbamide has joined #haiku[04:42:27] *** Carbamide has quit IRC[04:44:24] *** 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pretty much killed the os nerd in me[05:37:13] <halfhelf> im not farking with OSes on this machine. its my main workhorse now, so i want something thats stable and works well[05:37:24] <halfhelf> ill keep my gx1 desktop for farking with[05:37:25] <pyCube_> it does what i need, and perfectly well at that[05:37:40] <halfhelf> yeah[05:37:41] <halfhelf> exactly[05:38:43] <halfhelf> thinking about soldering in a fast usb2 key and doing a software RAID with the internal 16gb ssd.. just for data redundancy sake[05:39:31] *** ozy` has joined #haiku[05:39:50] *** Megaf has quit IRC[05:39:57] *** ozy` has quit IRC[05:41:53] <halfhelf> gnome also looks pretty, now[05:42:58] <pyCube_> i like it[05:43:11] <pyCube_> its what i have on this macbook[05:43:20] <halfhelf> iits nice[05:43:22] <pyCube_> still use awesome on my work machine[05:43:24] <halfhelf> looks better than osx imo[05:43:32] <pyCube_> i agree[05:43:48] <halfhelf> ubuntu is also giving me an extra hour of battery life compared to osx[05:44:44] <pyCube_> i find that with the 30 inch monitor, regular windowed desktops are painful.. too much space to hand managed.. tiled wm is the only way to go[05:45:19] <halfhelf> tiling is nice[05:45:46] <halfhelf> im thinking about doing the touchscreen mod to my mini 9[05:45:59] <pyCube_> i like the idea of layout contexts instead of desktops in the normal sense[05:47:52] <halfhelf> i gotta get a good, padded, slip case for my mini[05:48:01] <halfhelf> i dont want it to brake anytime soon, heh/. i plan on using it for years[05:48:21] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[05:49:41] <halfhelf> break[05:49:46] <halfhelf> wow, getting tired[05:50:07] <halfhelf> pyCube, my monitor resolutions rarely pass 1280x1024[05:50:31] <halfhelf> which is just large enough to bother running apps in windows[05:51:02] <pyCube_> right.. me neither. just at work[05:51:46] <halfhelf> i never thought id say this.. but im to the point that id rather just have a laptop/netbook and thats it. heh[05:51:52] <halfhelf> gonna just keep my gx1 and NeXT[05:55:19] *** umccullough_aa1 has joined #haiku[06:07:38] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[06:20:23] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[06:27:04] *** surrounder has joined #haiku[06:43:21] *** surround1r has quit IRC[06:44:56] * Hodapp drop-kicks halfhelf's NeXT and runs away cackling[06:49:06] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[06:53:41] *** halfhelf has quit IRC[06:58:26] *** redblue has quit IRC[07:12:47] *** nikla has joined #haiku[07:13:35] *** nikla is now known as nikla|away[07:13:39] *** nikla|away is now known as nikla[07:14:31] *** umccullough_aa1 has quit IRC[07:21:35] *** redblue has joined #haiku[07:24:51] *** mmadia42 has quit IRC[07:28:17] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[07:32:13] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[07:59:41] *** bokbokbok has left #haiku[08:24:13] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[08:34:17] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[08:35:21] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[08:41:31] *** koo5 has quit IRC[08:43:57] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[09:12:30] 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When she came back, her 3-year-old had taken over the computer and bought a much more serious toy: a real earth mover for a cool 20,000 New Zealand dollars (about $12,300)."[11:00:37] <BePhantom> lol[11:02:02] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[11:14:57] *** sugar3 has joined #haiku[11:22:02] *** sugar3 has left #haiku[11:31:10] *** nikla has quit IRC[11:40:33] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[12:05:12] *** Bumphead has joined #haiku[12:12:35] *** glootech has joined #haiku[12:14:58] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[12:18:59] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[12:35:49] *** awpeter has joined #haiku[12:36:03] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[12:36:42] *** Darknesss has joined #haiku[12:38:22] *** dos4 has joined #haiku[12:41:42] *** VinDuv is now known as VinDuv|away[12:49:29] *** redblue has quit IRC[12:51:55] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[12:55:57] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[13:00:57] *** awpeter has quit IRC[13:11:29] *** Hugen has joined #haikU[13:12:03] <Hugen> hi all[13:23:12] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[13:24:22] *** Penix_ has quit IRC[13:27:29] *** keetah has joined #haiku[13:28:04] *** keetah has left #haiku[13:29:28] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[13:32:35] <hackkitten> hi[13:38:20] *** VinDuv|away is now known as VinDuv[13:43:53] *** cherrypai has quit IRC[13:44:09] *** brechtm has joined #haiku[13:44:19] <brechtm> hi[13:47:52] *** Svarthandske has quit IRC[13:52:39] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[13:52:54] *** Darknesss has quit IRC[14:01:20] *** VinDuv is now known as VinDuv|away[14:05:59] *** tqh has quit IRC[14:07:44] *** VinDuv|away is now known as VinDuv[14:10:06] *** awpeter has joined #haiku[14:14:23] *** pyCube_ has quit IRC[14:20:17] *** Barrett` has joined #haiku[14:24:48] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[14:26:52] *** surrounder has joined #haiku[14:27:00] *** surround1r has quit IRC[14:27:23] *** lorenzo64 has joined #haiku[14:30:50] *** korli has joined #haiku[14:30:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[14:32:49] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[14:43:05] *** awpeter has quit IRC[14:43:17] *** awpeter has joined #haiku[14:44:16] <CIA-9> siarzhuk * r302 /haikuports/trunk/app-editors/vim/ (patches/vim-7.2.patch vim-7.2.bep): - refactored vim Makefile. More natural way of building and installing instroduced.[14:44:42] <miqlas> The wm3b2200bg driver works under Haiku?[15:00:30] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[15:02:40] *** tqh has joined #haiku[15:11:21] <korli> miqlas: dunno[15:12:10] <miqlas> what it means "dunno"? Sorry, i don't understand this word.[15:13:12] *** Megaf has joined #Haiku[15:15:19] *** tqh has quit IRC[15:17:23] *** tqh has joined #haiku[15:20:13] <korli> miqlas: i don't know, it's worth to be tested anyway[15:21:55] *** glootech has quit IRC[15:21:59] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[15:22:04] <miqlas> Okay, korli.[15:22:08] <Kokito> hello folks[15:22:43] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[15:23:02] *** tqh has quit IRC[15:25:55] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[15:30:11] *** tqh has joined #haiku[15:36:31] *** mmadia has left #haiku[15:38:47] *** fcr has quit IRC[15:42:03] *** tqh has quit IRC[15:42:27] <Kokito> http://factory.bluetechnoids.org[15:44:05] *** tqh has joined #haiku[15:46:57] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[15:47:49] *** awpeter has quit IRC[15:51:39] *** glootech has joined #haiku[15:52:14] *** TheNerd_LT has joined #haiku[15:53:00] *** TheNerd_LT is now known as TheNerd[16:01:04] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[16:03:01] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[16:03:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[16:03:34] *** glootech_ has joined #haiku[16:05:02] <mmu_man> hmm something really weird with the comment mails on our site[16:05:32] <mmu_man> I first though we had spammers on it, but it seems the mails just have spammy urls append.[16:05:32] <Kokito> hi mmu_man[16:05:35] <mmu_man> plop[16:05:44] <Kokito> URL?[16:05:50] <mmu_man> yeah[16:06:10] <Kokito> no, I meam, what's the URL of the spam comment?[16:07:16] <Kokito> or do you mean that you are getting notification emails with spam from the website?[16:07:43] <aljen> hey[16:07:52] <mmu_man> ugh actually it seems to be a spam :[16:07:52] <mmu_man> http://www.haiku-os.org/news/2007-04-03/access_co_releases_bebook_and_be_newsletters#comment-11434[16:08:40] <mmu_man> it quoted a valid comment which raised the confusion[16:09:00] <mmu_man> grr 2 others[16:09:15] <mmu_man> http://www.haiku-os.org/news/2007-04-11/its_official_eight_students_to_code_for_haiku_at_gsoc_2007#comment-11437[16:09:31] <mmu_man> http://www.haiku-os.org/node/1961#comment-11419[16:13:05] <luroh> i guess it's ok to assert trademark as long as not everyone in the foss ecosystem does it[16:13:27] <luroh> imagine gnome, gcc, bash, gnash etc. doing it[16:13:45] <luroh> or linux for that matter[16:13:53] <luroh> oh teh pain[16:16:31] <Kokito> mmu_man, taken care of :)[16:18:08] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[16:18:47] <mmu_man> thx[16:20:06] *** glootech has quit IRC[16:24:47] *** xenonsoft has joined #haiku[16:26:17] <gordonjcp> mmu_man: bizarre spam[16:26:50] *** ulterior_modem has joined #Haiku[16:27:04] *** leszek has joined #haiku[16:27:31] <leszek> hi[16:31:35] *** luroh1 has joined #haiku[16:31:35] *** luroh has quit IRC[16:33:25] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[16:34:35] *** luroh1 is now known as luroh[16:52:11] <mmu_man> Kokito hmm 3 more:-([16:52:22] <mmu_man> http://www.haiku-os.org/blog/mmu_man/2009-02-09/fosdem_2009_report#comment-11446[16:53:09] *** tqh has quit IRC[16:53:15] <mmu_man> http://www.haiku-os.org/blog/mmu_man/2008-11-03/say_what_you_want_from_us_but_not_what_we_dont_want_to_hear_or_how_much_did_we_regress#comment-11447[16:53:26] <mmu_man> http://www.haiku-os.org/blog/mmlr/2007-04-20/using_the_haiku_usb_stack#comment-11451[16:53:36] <mmu_man> she is quite verbose...[16:53:54] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[16:54:07] *** redblue has joined #haiku[16:55:26] *** tqh has joined #haiku[17:00:26] <mmu_man> http://sourceforge.net/community/cca09/nominate < if you have a SF account...[17:01:05] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[17:01:16] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[17:02:16] <dos4> more spam: http://www.arcor.de/home/link.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.haiku-os.org%2Fdocuments%2Fdev%2Fbuilding_haiku_on_ubuntu_linux_step_by_step%23comment-11414&ts=1243091082&hash=694d60941338cb41b361a15e40146de3[17:03:06] <dos4> direct link http://www.haiku-os.org/documents/dev/building_haiku_on_ubuntu_linux_step_by_step#comment-11414[17:05:24] *** ulterior_modem has quit IRC[17:06:39] *** wildur has quit IRC[17:06:48] *** xenonsoft has quit IRC[17:13:39] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[17:19:36] <V_Machine> if the jam files change in svu up should I run jam clean?[17:19:55] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[17:23:42] <Kokito> dos4, thanx. spam removed[17:25:03] *** Megaf_ has joined #Haiku[17:38:58] *** Barrett` has quit IRC[17:43:41] *** fcr has joined #haiku[17:45:17] *** glootech_ is now known as glootech[17:47:01] *** lorenzo64 has quit IRC[17:51:31] *** hisoka999 has joined #haiku[17:52:52] *** korli has quit IRC[17:54:33] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[17:55:58] *** tqh has quit IRC[17:57:53] *** tqh has joined #haiku[17:58:32] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[17:58:57] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[17:59:31] <umccullough> there were actually some 50-100 spam comments[17:59:38] <umccullough> i just spent the last 30 minutes deleting them all[18:01:42] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[18:01:51] <umccullough> there were 60 total[18:02:27] *** Megaf_ has quit IRC[18:03:29] <brechtm> umccullough, the spaminator[18:03:48] <umccullough> drupal really sucks for finding/eliminating spam[18:04:12] <umccullough> actually, it probably would have been easier if the user account hadn't been deleted first :P[18:04:25] <umccullough> but someone in their zeal deleted the user account immediately (instead of "block"ing it[18:04:26] <umccullough> )[18:04:55] <brechtm> mmm, drupal, spam[18:05:28] <brechtm> rings a bell[18:06:27] <brechtm> http://interdependentweb.com/bestpractices/drupal/Mollom[18:06:40] <brechtm> not sure whether that is interesting[18:07:02] *** miqlas has quit IRC[18:07:10] <umccullough> hmm[18:07:16] <umccullough> 100 valid posts per day for free[18:07:34] <brechtm> :)[18:07:49] <umccullough> that would be ok I think, until we hit alpha :D[18:08:21] * brechtm foresees a lot of installation/configuration work though :)[18:08:27] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[18:08:28] <umccullough> its the same thing you have with anything else - now that drupal has become large and common, it has become a target[18:08:49] <umccullough> yeah, i don't have a lot of time to admin the site[18:09:38] <umccullough> wtf, i rewrote a CD-RW that had haiku on it with a linux ISO and when i booted it, it still had haiku on it[18:10:03] <umccullough> this time i'll erase the disc first :P[18:11:12] <leszek> :)[18:11:38] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[18:11:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[18:11:48] <umccullough> on the brighter side, haiku boots from an external USB DVD drive :D[18:12:13] <leszek> thats nice[18:12:41] <umccullough> and then kdl'd[18:12:50] <umccullough> when i clicked "desktop" on the dialog prompt[18:12:52] <V_Machine> seriously depends on the bios[18:13:12] <V_Machine> I am having a hell of a time with a older machine but learning a lot about how Haiku boots :)[18:14:23] <umccullough> well, i very rarely boot haiku from either cd or from USB[18:15:47] <Anarchos> V_Machine once upon a time, i reversed engineered the boot loader of beos, to the vga routines to display the boot menu :)[18:16:32] <V_Machine> Yeah got the Haiku boot menu just fine, just ran into a chicken and the egg issue with the usb :)[18:17:13] <V_Machine> a linux liveCD solves the issues atm.[18:17:38] <umccullough> in my case, i'm using an acer aspire one[18:18:22] <brechtm> umccullough: could you add your commentto the ticket?[18:18:36] <umccullough> what ticket?[18:18:58] <brechtm> nm[18:19:01] <brechtm> I'm confused :)[18:19:22] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[18:19:24] <umccullough> ?[18:19:56] <umccullough> i'm sorry i guess? :)[18:20:04] <brechtm> for some reason, I thought this was your post: http://lists.ports.haiku-files.org/pipermail/haikuports-trac-ports.haiku-files.org/2009-May/000350.html[18:21:34] <umccullough> ah[18:21:49] <umccullough> yeah, usually discouraged to respond to trac notifications via email :)[18:21:58] <umccullough> tsk tsk ;)[18:22:45] <V_Machine> so much documentation so little time[18:23:33] <V_Machine> lets see how the haiku-cd works out :)[18:23:41] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[18:24:09] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[18:25:05] <umccullough> yeah, little time...know that feeling[18:27:01] <V_Machine> hehehe I get in trouble because I save my reading for the last thing of the day and just end up starting it to late and sleeping.[18:27:15] *** surround1r has joined #haiku[18:27:19] <arigayas> hello[18:28:59] <arigayas> I wrote the image file in USB thumb drive and started Haiku.[18:29:25] <arigayas> However, it did not start.[18:29:46] <umccullough> that's not uncommon[18:29:56] <umccullough> plenty of reasons that might happen ;)[18:30:13] <umccullough> in my case, haiku simply won't boot off every usb stick i try[18:30:22] <umccullough> which is frustrating[18:31:21] <arigayas> It taught to Mr. kokito and the photograph of backtrace was taken.[18:31:33] <arigayas> http://todo.me.land.to/Haiku/[18:32:50] <arigayas> Is there a method of registering this photograph in BTS?[18:33:29] <arigayas> BTS= Bug Tracking System[18:33:30] <umccullough> well, that's not a terribly useful backtrace[18:33:52] <umccullough> "can't find any boot partitions" simply means it couldn't find anything on the usb stick once the bootloader handed off to the kernel[18:34:00] <umccullough> you'll need a serial log[18:34:52] <V_Machine> That pumps out of the com port yes?[18:34:56] <umccullough> yes[18:35:28] <V_Machine> so just hook it with a patch cable to another machine and read the device or something along those lines[18:35:40] <umccullough> right, a second machine and a null-modem cable[18:35:41] <V_Machine> haven't looked into it yet but it is on my list[18:35:45] <miqlas> ...sendsignal declaration in posix/signal.h conflist with apache's sendsignal...[18:36:29] <V_Machine> ok may get to that in a day or so. I got a few reports but I can't get enough data to be useful atm[18:37:02] <miqlas> The current Apache built without problems under Haiku GCC4.[18:37:36] <Anarchos> i get this kind of error during the configure script of freetype : "builds/toplevel.mk:41: *** missing separator. Stop. " What does this mean ?[18:37:59] <umccullough> V_Machine, if you're making it into Haiku, you can also grab the syslog from /var/log[18:38:05] <Kokito> arigayas, you can attach screenshots to bug reports[18:38:09] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[18:38:31] <umccullough> Kokito, in this case, they won't be useful anyway though[18:38:37] <V_Machine> umccullough: Thanks found that, just a pain in the ass since no network yet :)[18:38:38] <umccullough> not without a serial log[18:39:15] <Kokito> umccullough, you know better than me :)[18:39:25] <Kokito> gotta go[18:39:26] <Kokito> ciao![18:39:28] *** Kokito has quit IRC[18:39:54] *** aljen has quit IRC[18:42:31] <V_Machine> I want to set up my "assembly line" first :) get my OS install time under 10mins, and the serial log is second on the list. If the Haiku-cd boots then that will solve the first issue.[18:43:18] *** surrounder has quit IRC[18:47:38] *** Megaf has quit IRC[18:48:28] <arigayas> Is this photograph useless?[18:49:22] <umccullough> it's not useless, but without a serial log, it doesn't tell anyone why it fails[18:49:23] *** ulterior_modem has joined #Haiku[18:50:46] <arigayas> I see.[18:50:48] <umccullough> if you want, go to http://dev.haiku-os.org create a ticket, and attach the pictures as files[18:50:58] <umccullough> it should be noted as a usb issue[18:51:01] * V_Machine sticks his tongue on the com port and counts tht pulses.[18:51:10] <umccullough> mmlr will likely respond asking for the serial log[18:52:12] <HeTo> V_Machine: afaik couting the pulses doesn't quite help since 0 is -something V and 1 is +something V[18:52:58] <mmadia> anyone interested in trying a preliminary patch to allow `jam -q @alpha-cd` ?[18:53:10] *** korli has joined #haiku[18:53:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[18:54:11] <V_Machine> yeah would need a internal clock, there is a sync pulse[18:54:17] <umccullough> WTF[18:54:26] <umccullough> this zombie user is still spamming![18:54:33] <geist> :([18:54:38] <umccullough> i keep getting more and more notifications from the website[18:54:45] <V_Machine> I hate spam, tastes like crap[18:54:47] <umccullough> even though the account has been deleted[18:54:52] <mmadia> umccullough : maybe it's a delay in the notification system?[18:54:55] <geist> mmm, fried spam is good stuff[18:54:56] <umccullough> maybe[18:55:14] <umccullough> mmadia, it might have a limit of how many notification emails it can send at a time :([18:55:15] <V_Machine> I use to eat allot in Hawaii, now I can't stand it.[18:55:33] <geist> fair enough. if you actually lived in hawaii then you're allowed to get tired of it[18:55:56] <V_Machine> lived there half my life, glad to be out[18:56:01] <miqlas> Can anybody use for something the Apache on Haiku? I have the recent build, if somebody need it.[18:56:08] <V_Machine> even got sick of rainbows[18:56:48] <geist> surprised you didn't say hawai'i or something[18:57:28] <Anarchos> miqlas i run robinhood ;)[18:57:29] <V_Machine> Big Island to be exact for me anyway[18:57:47] <V_Machine> good weed though[18:57:56] <geist> i bet[18:58:12] <geist> drinkin some Kona coffee right here[18:58:18] <V_Machine> One reason I quit weed is because it is of such a poor quality here.[18:58:39] <geist> oh yeah?[18:58:43] <geist> doesn't like the climate i guess[18:58:56] <geist> oh i see, where you're at now[18:58:58] <V_Machine> lava rock does wonders for plants[18:59:08] <V_Machine> California[18:59:10] <hackkitten> you should come here~[18:59:11] <hackkitten> :P[18:59:17] *** Barrett` has joined #haiku[18:59:20] <V_Machine> Where are you at?[18:59:24] <miqlas> "[Sat May 23 18:50:43 2009] [emerg] (70023)This function has not been implemented on this platform: Couldn't create accept lock (/boot/apps/apache/logs/accept.lock.96616) (5)"[18:59:42] <hackkitten> netherlands ^-^[18:59:49] <V_Machine> awwwww[18:59:59] <V_Machine> jealous[19:00:04] <geist> i dunno, doesn't norcal grow good stuff or something[19:00:05] <hackkitten> :)[19:00:09] <hackkitten> you're welcome to visit ^-^[19:00:11] <geist> (i know nothing about weed, dont do it at all)[19:00:17] <V_Machine> I am going to Alaska soon[19:00:24] <arigayas> I seem not to have the authority to make the ticket newly.[19:00:35] * hackkitten doesn't do drugs either, not even alcohol or cigarettes :P[19:00:45] <geist> but i bet you do caffiene[19:00:48] <hackkitten> nope[19:00:53] <hackkitten> not even in my tea[19:00:54] <hackkitten> ^-^[19:01:17] <V_Machine> CA is a better then Colorado weed but still doesn't compare to Maui Wowie[19:01:21] <geist> that's uh... i dont know what to say[19:01:28] <geist> i went caffiene free for a couple of weeks about a month ago[19:01:34] <Anarchos> who know what is the error "missing separator" in makefile ?[19:01:39] <geist> but after a while i realized my life wasn't any better anyway[19:01:48] <geist> now i just had a harder time waking up[19:01:59] <V_Machine> caffeine is a tricky drug[19:02:20] <geist> but it was good to know that the withdrawl only took about 2 days[19:02:24] <geist> and it was relatively mild[19:02:26] <hackkitten> :)[19:02:29] <V_Machine> yes 2-3 days[19:02:35] <hackkitten> yeah, it isn't that bad unless you go crazy on caffeine[19:02:40] <hackkitten> like, 20 cups a day or so[19:02:45] <V_Machine> but not if you are prone to migraines[19:02:51] <V_Machine> those days are real long[19:02:56] * hackkitten has had piles of migraines in the past @_@[19:03:05] <hackkitten> don't want to risk getting them again ^-^[19:03:06] <geist> exactly. i usually only drink a combined total of 2-3 cups a day[19:03:10] <hackkitten> :)[19:03:14] <hackkitten> yeah, that's fairly normal[19:03:16] <hackkitten> and healthy[19:03:33] <geist> yep[19:03:43] <V_Machine> above 2 cups a day triggers the thyroid to de-tune the adrenal glands[19:03:54] * hackkitten drinks 1-2 liters of tea a day @_@[19:03:59] <hackkitten> well, many days[19:04:04] <hackkitten> my housemate is crazy about tea[19:04:05] <hackkitten> :P[19:04:12] <geist> it's not too bad[19:04:20] <geist> stain the hell out of your teeth after a while though[19:04:29] <hackkitten> mostly with black tea[19:04:35] <hackkitten> which I don't drink ^-^[19:04:52] <geist> dont want to look like you're English or anything[19:04:56] <hackkitten> :P[19:05:03] <hackkitten> my teeth would have to get a lot worse for that :P[19:06:17] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[19:07:55] <V_Machine> LOL who here lives in CA[19:08:15] * geist raises hand[19:08:39] <V_Machine> get the new about the 24billion dollar debt?[19:08:47] <geist> yeah, fancy[19:09:50] <V_Machine> They are so desperate they are thinking about legalized weed to lighten the load on the legal system[19:12:43] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[19:13:49] * umccullough raises the "lives in CA" hand too[19:15:19] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[19:15:32] <mmu_man> hmm more spams on ou forums :-([19:16:04] <mmu_man> http://www.haiku-os.org/news/2008-10-07/google_summer_of_code_2008_and_haiku_code_drive_harvest#comment-11476[19:16:51] <mmu_man> http://www.haiku-os.org/news/2009-02-25/website_upgraded_drupal_5#comment-11489[19:17:00] *** Hugen has quit IRC[19:17:27] <mmadia> gordonjcp : are you subscribed to haiku-web or just trying to post there?[19:18:35] <gordonjcp> I'm receiving posts from haiku-web[19:18:41] <gordonjcp> so one would assume I'm subscribed[19:19:07] *** Barrett`_ has joined #haiku[19:19:13] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[19:20:11] <mmadia> gordonjcp , do you use any mail forwarding?[19:20:15] <gordonjcp> nope[19:21:09] <gordonjcp> Envelope-to is gordonjcp at gjcp dot net, email I'm sending from is gordonjcp at gjcp dot net[19:21:22] <gordonjcp> and that's a real genuine valid email address on my server[19:22:10] *** arigayas is now known as arigayas_Zzz[19:22:12] <mmadia> ah, your address is gordon at gjcp dot net according to the list... i'll subscribe your other one.[19:23:37] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[19:23:38] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[19:24:07] <gordonjcp> mmadia: strange[19:24:36] <gordonjcp> mmadia: surely it would have sent it to gordon at gjcp dot net too?[19:24:38] <gordonjcp> oh well[19:25:27] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #haiku[19:25:34] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[19:25:37] <mmadia> i'm guessing that you were receiving it from gordon at gjcp dot net , but trynig to send it as gordonjcp at gjcp dot net ... either way, both are now on the list.[19:25:54] <mmadia> if you get duplicates, nudge me and i'll remove "gordon at gjcp dot net"[19:25:57] <gordonjcp> np[19:26:00] <Begasus> plop[19:26:02] <Begasus> mmadia, ! ;)[19:26:06] <mmadia> Begasus ![19:26:07] <gordonjcp> may as well remove gordon at gjcp dot net, that's incorrect[19:26:26] <Begasus> quit studying for today ;)[19:26:42] *** Svarthandske has joined #haiku[19:27:21] <Lelldorin1> hi Begasus[19:27:35] <Begasus> hi Lelldorin1 ! long time no see ;)[19:27:46] <mmadia> removed , gordonjcp.[19:29:00] *** miqlas has quit IRC[19:30:27] <gordonjcp> mmadia: cool, thanks[19:31:21] *** leszek has quit IRC[19:34:51] *** Barrett` has quit IRC[19:37:02] *** korli has quit IRC[19:41:54] *** tqh has quit IRC[19:42:28] *** korli has joined #haiku[19:42:28] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[19:46:32] *** korli has quit IRC[19:51:06] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[19:53:39] <V_Machine> hehehe ok the cd tried to boot but fails. I looked at the serial output but I don't know enough to make sense of it.[19:53:46] <V_Machine> off to make a null cable[20:01:04] *** fcr has quit IRC[20:01:31] <V_Machine> gah don't have any need to go shopping[20:01:40] *** korli has joined #haiku[20:01:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[20:05:14] *** urnenfeld has quit IRC[20:05:48] <Lelldorin1> anyone know how to readout pictures, to get there colors pixel by pixel??[20:12:50] <Begasus> not me ;)[20:14:49] *** korli has quit IRC[20:19:21] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[20:23:50] *** pyCube_ has joined #haiku[20:25:51] *** TheNerd_WK has joined #haiku[20:26:42] *** Mixer has joined #haiku[20:27:07] *** korli has joined #haiku[20:27:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[20:30:00] *** Barrett`_ has quit IRC[20:30:14] *** Barrett` has joined #haiku[20:32:01] *** RandomInsano has joined #haiku[20:32:36] <brechtm> Lelldorin1: depends on the image format[20:34:40] <Lelldorin1> brechtm: yes there a columnbox with informations rgb = xxx (text, hex...)[20:35:13] <brechtm> Lelldorin1: this is in a BeOS/Haiku application?[20:35:30] *** hisoka999 has quit IRC[20:35:48] <Lelldorin1> i want to display a picture into a yab app, but i dont want to have a file of the pixcture, i want to draw it into the app[20:36:14] <Lelldorin1> yab( for haiku, beos) yes[20:36:32] <brechtm> I'm not familiar with YAB, but in general you would need to add the image as a resource to the application[20:38:24] <Lelldorin1> is there a list with the hex informations for colors?[20:38:43] <Lelldorin1> like this for rgb and html:http://www.wackerart.de/rgbfarben.html[20:39:33] <brechtm> I'm not sure what you are trying to do[20:39:33] <pyCube_> didnt you answer your own question?[20:41:00] <Lelldorin1> brechtm: i want to draw a image with image draw commands into yab, but i dont want to use a paint app to get every pixel with ere rgb color. so i am searching for a app who can give it to me[20:42:04] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[20:42:28] <Lelldorin1> brechtm: ok i think my english is to bad for a question like this^^[20:42:49] <pyCube_> you shouldnt need any rgb values to simply display an image[20:42:56] <brechtm> well, unless you speak dutch fluently, it'll have to do :)[20:43:43] <brechtm> Lelldorin1: you want to display an existing image?[20:44:22] <Lelldorin1> brechtm. yes but i dont want to put the picture into the app folder, i want to draw it out of the yab source[20:45:51] <Lelldorin1> every pixel i want to draw with this command: DRAW DOT x1,y1, View$[20:45:55] *** Sryche has joined #haiku[20:46:09] <pyCube_> good lord, why!?[20:46:13] <pyCube_> hehe[20:46:28] <Lelldorin1> pyCube_: i love it complicated ;-)[20:46:36] <Lelldorin1> and i want to try it out[20:46:37] <brechtm> Lelldorin1: so you have the image you want to display in an external file?[20:46:46] <Lelldorin1> brechtm: yes[20:47:07] <brechtm> Lelldorin1: I would start with loading this image in to your application and try to display that first[20:47:21] <Lelldorin1> brechtm: thats no problem[20:47:26] <brechtm> ok[20:49:00] <CIA-9> korli * r30831 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/fwcontrol/fwcontrol.c: added missing newline for the fwcontrol help[20:49:00] <brechtm> Lelldorin1: you'll have to include the image in to the application code[20:49:16] <brechtm> Lelldorin1: that'll include creating a hex dump of the image[20:49:54] <brechtm> once that is done, you shouldn't need to change your current code much to load from that instead of the external file[20:50:29] <V_Machine> nice I have to write that one down[20:51:23] <Lelldorin1> brechtm: bnut i dont know that color have that hex numbert[20:53:24] <V_Machine> I am no expert but I think making a picture of all red will tell you what red is.[20:54:44] <brechtm> Lelldorin1: how do you draw the image from the file?[20:56:51] *** Begasus has quit IRC[20:57:26] <Lelldorin1> brechtm: it is complicated for me to ask, ok.... i can use a paint app to get the rgb informations of any pixel of a available picture, in order to draw it with a draw dot command in yab as a picture. but this is a hard way, get any rgb info of every pixel using a painting app. i search for a app or other way to get the information of every pixel rgb color of a picture. this can be a website or a bin tool. any drawing app, or other[20:58:17] <pyCube_> isnt an image file exactly that...information about pixel data?[20:58:45] <V_Machine> uncompressed image I assume?[20:59:15] <Lelldorin1> pyCube_: i made images with my amiga every time pixel by pixel.... long time ago ;-)[20:59:38] <Lelldorin1> yes a pixel have one color and many pixels are an image[21:00:31] <Lelldorin1> using this app i can check pixel colors of a picture: http://mycolorcodes.net[21:00:44] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[21:00:58] <Lelldorin1> but there must be a way to output the data of any pixel automaticly[21:01:53] *** markos_ has quit IRC[21:02:16] <Lelldorin1> to use this app is the samwe like using an painting app[21:06:35] <brechtm> Lelldorin1: what format is your image in?[21:08:28] <Lelldorin1> brechtm: the original? any i kconverted in[21:08:50] <Lelldorin1> brechtm: in yab i will draw only dots with colors[21:10:50] *** Barrett` has quit IRC[21:10:59] *** Barrett` has joined #haiku[21:11:07] *** Sryche has quit IRC[21:13:09] <brechtm> Lelldorin1: can you pastebin the code that loads the image from the file?[21:13:21] *** Sryche has joined #haiku[21:13:50] <Lelldorin1> brechtm: i only can readout the file line by line[21:14:41] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[21:15:02] <brechtm> Lelldorin1: but you can display the image file, right?[21:15:55] <Lelldorin1> brechtm: i can display a picture using a command for it, but i dont want to use a picture, i want to draw it by myself using a command to draw every pixel[21:17:06] *** korli has quit IRC[21:17:08] <brechtm> is that really necessary? :)[21:17:48] <brechtm> Lelldorin1: is it not OK if you can display the embedded image with a similar command?[21:19:21] *** TheNerd_WK is now known as TheNerd[21:20:01] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[21:20:13] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[21:20:24] <Lelldorin1> brechtm: ok i check the picture pixel by pixel using a paint app[21:21:34] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[21:23:05] <brechtm> Lelldorin1: is it necessary to paint every pixel manuall? Or is it fine to draw the image all at once like it was an external image file?[21:26:32] <Lelldorin1> brechtm: it will be fine to draw it all at once, but i need a picture source for it to do it[21:26:39] *** korli has joined #haiku[21:26:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[21:27:46] <Lelldorin1> picture source means: the informations about the colors and pixels[21:28:48] <brechtm> Lelldorin1: are you using a libary for loading the image file?[21:28:55] <miqlas> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvhr3PFHX-k[21:29:13] <Lelldorin1> brechtm: you dont understand me[21:29:31] *** Darknesss has joined #haiku[21:30:29] <pyCube_> Lelldorin1: whay cant you just load and display the image file?[21:31:23] <pyCube_> i mean, lets pretend you dump the image to some string of values and save it in your app source...why?[21:31:40] <Lelldorin1> pyCube_: because i dont want to do it like this[21:32:32] <pyCube_> sure.. but do you have a reason?[21:33:48] <Lelldorin1> pyCube_: yes i have then a little app without any external imagefile[21:34:17] <Lelldorin1> pyCube_: i have this idear and i want to try it out[21:34:26] <brechtm> Lelldorin1: that's no reason to draw the image pixel by pixel[21:35:47] <brechtm> Lelldorin1: but it doesn't matter how you display the image... you will need to include the image in the application code somehow[21:37:24] <Lelldorin1> yes, but there is not function like in c++ for yab[21:37:49] <pyCube_> Lelldorin1: my guess is that your approach to displaying an image is getting in the way our implementing your actual idea.. hehe[21:38:00] <Lelldorin1> i can display aimage like loading or i can draw a dot, line, ...[21:38:02] <pyCube_> your, not our[21:39:38] <pyCube_> Lelldorin1: what are you thinking is the difference between loading the image from a file and from some list of value?[21:40:04] <pyCube_> ..or whatever method..[21:40:41] <Lelldorin1> pyCube_: the list of value i ask is only for me to get the color values in order to draw them into my app[21:42:04] <pyCube_> does the draw image command do that for you?[21:42:08] <pyCube_> doesnt[21:45:54] <brechtm> Lelldorin1: looking at the yabasic documentation, I'd say you need to put the image data in a data command[21:47:15] <brechtm> Lelldorin1: make a hex dump of image the file (preferably raw) and use some regex magic to convert it to a yabasic data command[21:47:35] *** korli has quit IRC[21:48:04] <brechtm> Lelldorin1: this seems much more complicated than loading the image from a file, however[21:48:59] <Lelldorin1> brechtm: i know that, i display hundret of times a image from file[21:52:04] <brechtm> Lelldorin1: the c$ variable(?) in the example for putbit might be interesting[21:52:18] *** korli has joined #haiku[21:52:18] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[21:52:32] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[21:55:55] *** korli has quit IRC[21:56:52] <brechtm> Lelldorin1: the bottom line: hex dump the image[22:03:07] <Lelldorin1> brechtm: thanx for helping, need to go, will see that i find out[22:03:10] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[22:03:38] *** VinDuv is now known as VinDuv|away[22:09:37] <CIA-9> brecht * r303 /portlogplugin/trunk/portlog/ (10 files in 2 dirs):[22:09:37] <CIA-9> Made metadata boxes more verbose. Build and package (previously "install") scripts are read from the repository:[22:09:37] <CIA-9> haikuports/trunk/<category>/<port>/<port>-<version>-<revision>.build[22:09:37] <CIA-9> haikuports/trunk/<category>/<port>/<port>-<version>-<revision>.package[22:09:37] <CIA-9> When these are not available, the (now deprecated) build and install scripts that are stored in the database are displayed.[22:09:41] <CIA-9> Fixes #169, #180, #182.[22:11:02] *** gr00ber has joined #haiku[22:11:04] <gr00ber> BOOO![22:19:50] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[22:19:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[22:20:21] <BePhantom> gr00ber, you scary :)[22:20:52] <gr00ber> aye[22:21:09] <gr00ber> change diapers, dude[22:24:48] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[22:26:19] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[22:26:42] *** surrounder has joined #haiku[22:30:09] <brechtm> time...[22:31:09] <mmadia> brechtm : is the install command dropped?[22:31:32] <brechtm> yes[22:31:51] <brechtm> replaced with package[22:32:13] <brechtm> as the idea is to provide packages to to the user[22:33:05] <mmadia> k[22:33:31] <brechtm> I hope you agree :)[22:33:39] <mmadia> definitely :)[22:34:27] *** VinDuv|away is now known as VinDuv[22:36:13] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[22:37:32] *** ulterior_modem has quit IRC[22:39:32] *** aljen has joined #haiku[22:42:28] *** surround1r has quit IRC[22:45:28] *** ulterior_modem has joined #Haiku[22:53:49] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[22:59:49] *** aljen has quit IRC[23:06:26] *** fleximus has joined #haiku[23:06:52] *** redblue has quit IRC[23:08:28] *** dos4 is now known as dr_evil[23:08:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[23:10:07] *** adamk_ has joined #haiku[23:10:11] <adamk_> sd[23:11:04] *** Svarthandske has quit IRC[23:12:47] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[23:13:45] <V_Machine> MOTHER F@#$er all that shit getting a null cable and the dam laptop doesn't even have a com port![23:15:11] <brechtm> lol[23:17:52] *** SiCuTDeUx__ has quit IRC[23:20:11] *** Sryche has quit IRC[23:21:57] <V_Machine> Man that is really bone head.[23:26:33] <BePhantom> to write haiku raw image to a usb stick was dd if=haiku.image of=/dev/xxx (where xxx is usb mounting point) right?[23:27:04] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[23:28:56] <V_Machine> dd if=haiku.image of=/dev/xxx bs=1024 xxx is the device node not mounting point. it will work that way but the volume size will not be correct.[23:29:21] <BePhantom> is bs=1024 necessary?[23:29:28] <V_Machine> http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/haiku/haiku/trunk/docs/userguide/en/installation/install-source-linux.html <---- has info to get jam just to write to the stick[23:29:43] <V_Machine> no but it helps I/O a bit[23:30:14] <BePhantom> V_Machine,[23:32:15] <V_Machine> be careful with DefineBuildProfile disk : disk : "/dev/xxx" ; and don't do something stupid like putting your hard drive node there.[23:32:39] <BePhantom> V_Machine, yes of course :)[23:33:10] <V_Machine> hehehe well you don't have to be stupid to do something stupid :)[23:33:24] <V_Machine> which I just experienced just now.[23:38:32] *** adamk_ has quit IRC[23:42:57] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[23:43:18] <Anarchos> i have problems with compiling freetype2 : the makefile seems a bit coorupted :([23:44:14] <BePhantom> V_Machine, thanks[23:45:00] *** RandomInsano has quit IRC[23:46:51] *** SiCuTDeUx_ has joined #haiku[23:47:29] <V_Machine> BePhantom: np, I just read that page yesterday myself :)[23:48:00] <BePhantom> V_Machine, i never had problems writing haiku raw image to my usb[23:48:09] <BePhantom> im trying to help a new user[23:48:17] <V_Machine> You just matched up the volume manually?[23:48:19] * BePhantom is trying to promote haiku[23:48:24] <V_Machine> ahh I see[23:48:40] <V_Machine> linux user, I assume then[23:49:02] <gordonjcp> V_Machine: also if you dd to a partition, the boot loader won't work[23:49:17] <V_Machine> correct[23:49:18] <gordonjcp> you need to use something like makebootabletiny to correct that[23:50:03] <V_Machine> well if you just use jam haiku-image and dd it to the entire drive or flash drive it will boot[23:50:09] <V_Machine> but not to a partition[23:50:11] <gordonjcp> yes[23:50:19] <gordonjcp> tbh I prefer to make an image, dd it and then run makebootabletiny[23:50:20] <BePhantom> V_Machine, after he did the dd if of haiku wont boot for him, then he did it again and got this message http://supremos.pastebin.com/d4d49ece9[23:51:01] <gordonjcp> BePhantom: 23 meg isn't enough[23:51:03] <V_Machine> dd: escribiendo en «/dev/sde1 that is a partition[23:51:04] <BePhantom> gordonjcp, how do you makebootabletiny in usb stick?[23:51:24] <gordonjcp> BePhantom: same way as in a hard disk but you shouldn't need to[23:51:40] <gordonjcp> all it does is tell the loader how many sectors in to start reading[23:52:28] <V_Machine> BePhantom: is he going to use the whole USB stick for Haiku?[23:52:40] <BePhantom> yesterday i tried my haiku usb stick (which always work on my lappy) on my Athlon X2 desktop and it wouldnt boot, it said something that there was no boot volume or something[23:53:18] <BePhantom> i pressed spacebar to enter haiku configuration and the same[23:53:32] <BePhantom> V_Machine, i suppose, he is testing[23:53:41] *** Carbamide has joined #haiku[23:55:01] <V_Machine> well if he is using a partition he will need to make sure it is large enough and have what ever boot loader he is using in the MBR to chain load it. Also I think you have to use makebootable so the boot sector on the partition doesn't get lost and look at block zero[23:55:31] <V_Machine> I think that is right, new to Haiku but I read alot :)[23:55:57] <V_Machine> The details on that last part I do not know yet[23:56:06] <BePhantom> V_Machine, but he is trying on a usb stick[23:56:44] <V_Machine> if he uses the entire stick then you would write to /dev/sde not /dev/sde1 this will wipe out everything else on the stick though[23:58:00] <BePhantom> you sure?[23:58:13] <BePhantom> df says it's in sde1