May 22, 2009 
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May 22, 2009 [00:01:00] <expensivelesbian> I was at this lesbian party, and everybody started pulling their trousers down and comparing the 'bushiness' of their private regions. Needless to say, I felt like a bit of a plum[00:01:23] * JonathanThompson ponders the purpleness needed to be plummed[00:01:29] * JonathanThompson shudders at the thought[00:01:36] <expensivelesbian> it wasn't actually a party for lesbians, it just had a lot of lesbians there[00:02:19] <pyCube> interersting[00:03:20] <expensivelesbian> it amazes me that the core Haiku devs don't hang around here...[00:03:42] <AlienSoldier> when you code you don't hang anywere[00:03:44] <mmadia> the Signal to Noise Ratio isn't good enough ;)[00:04:25] <pyCube> lame 'scuse[00:05:28] <Verdant_Machine> I am not a Haiku dev but I just started to dip into IRC for technical help. I find it distracting TBH.[00:10:33] <gordonjcp> I find it too easy to sit on IRC talking shite than actually getting work done :-/[00:12:00] <JonathanThompson> That's a very real problem for many....[00:12:03] * JonathanThompson whistles[00:12:10] <pyCube> Verdant_Machine, sounds liek a personal problem[00:12:26] *** nikla_ has joined #haiku[00:13:06] *** aljen has joined #haiku[00:14:38] <AlienSoldier> if you can't do coke occasionaly, better not touch it at all :)[00:14:50] <pyCube> exactly[00:14:53] <pyCube> hehe[00:15:41] * JonathanThompson hands out the Pepsi :D[00:15:50] <pyCube> same difference[00:16:23] *** yoritomo has joined #haiku[00:20:33] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[00:20:45] *** nikla_ has quit IRC[00:20:51] <expensivelesbian> to be fair, my coding isn't actually Haiku based so I can leave IRC bubbling away and not get too bothered by it[00:21:56] <pyCube> even if it was, it takes effort to look at irc and be distracted by it[00:22:03] <expensivelesbian> I view this channel as like a general helpwithhaiku kind of channel. Perhaps that's wrong[00:22:09] <expensivelesbian> true[00:22:51] *** yoritomo has left #haiku[00:23:40] <mmadia> the rules of this channel are fairly relaxed.[00:23:44] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[00:24:07] <Verdant_Machine> it takes effort not to look. Seems to be some nasty human defect I need to eradicate.[00:24:21] <pyCube> like i said.. personal problem.. :-p[00:24:23] *** [Katisu] has joined #haiku[00:24:31] <expensivelesbian> get help[00:25:30] <Verdant_Machine> see, just annoyed.[00:25:44] <expensivelesbian> Verdant Machine, is that like "Green Machine"?[00:26:00] <expensivelesbian> I can't quite mind where verdant comes from[00:26:41] <Verdant_Machine> yes[00:26:46] <expensivelesbian> ahh, it's from a novel.[00:27:09] <pyCube> Matching Mole[00:27:10] <expensivelesbian> I don't believe I've read it, but the phrase looked familiar for some reason[00:30:30] <Verdant_Machine> Well take from it as you wish, I guess.[00:34:51] <Verdant_Machine> ok, referring to my earlier question. Can Haiku read and write to any other file system besides BeOS?[00:35:28] *** redb1ue has joined #haiku[00:35:39] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[00:36:15] <mmadia> fat32[00:36:25] *** redb1ue has quit IRC[00:36:26] *** Barrett`_ has quit IRC[00:36:33] <mmadia> ntfs is experimental and not included by default -- gpl based.[00:36:40] <Verdant_Machine> ok thanks[00:36:50] *** redblue has joined #haiku[00:36:52] <Verdant_Machine> going with plan G then :)[00:38:26] *** redblue has quit IRC[00:39:40] <pyCube> i just had the coolest idea... coal -> steam powered AC unit[00:40:26] *** adamk_ has quit IRC[00:40:33] *** adamk_ has joined #haiku[00:45:59] *** nibble has quit IRC[00:46:01] *** nibble has joined #haiku[00:47:28] <AlienSoldier> pyCube ?[00:48:21] *** redblue has joined #haiku[00:51:23] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[00:51:32] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[00:52:10] *** koo51 has quit IRC[00:53:18] *** fran has joined #haiku[01:04:49] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[01:15:21] *** ulterior_modem has quit IRC[01:20:27] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[01:25:55] *** kirilla has quit IRC[01:37:14] *** koo5 has joined #haiku[02:00:45] *** nibble has quit IRC[02:01:20] *** nibble has joined #haiku[02:01:29] *** nibble is now known as nibble\amiata[02:15:32] *** fran has quit IRC[02:18:35] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[02:20:45] *** mmu_laptop has quit IRC[02:23:06] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[02:25:04] *** pyCube has quit IRC[02:27:07] *** surrounder has quit IRC[02:27:11] *** surrounder has joined #haiku[02:37:57] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[02:45:00] *** adamk_ has quit IRC[02:45:58] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[02:47:36] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[02:47:47] *** umccullough_w has joined #haiku[02:51:24] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[02:52:19] *** Svarthandske has joined #haiku[03:01:40] *** glootech has quit IRC[03:04:55] *** Megaf has joined #Haiku[03:19:48] *** glootech has joined #haiku[03:20:01] *** Svarthandske has quit IRC[03:38:49] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[03:47:24] <Verdant_Machine> gezz room looks like a gas stop[03:48:40] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[03:54:23] *** umccullough_w has quit IRC[03:57:02] <BePhantom> umccullough, you go ahead and try to port haiku to xbox :)[03:57:45] <mmadia> missed him by a few seconds :P[03:58:05] <BePhantom> good luck, and if everything works fine i may get an used box for myself :)[03:59:09] <BePhantom> mmadia, oh, well :P[03:59:52] *** koo5 has quit IRC[04:00:09] *** koo5 has joined #haiku[04:00:38] *** koo5 has quit IRC[04:00:53] *** koo5 has joined #haiku[04:01:12] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[04:01:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[04:02:01] <BePhantom> mmadia, the typo i found was already reported here: http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/3796[04:02:06] <BePhantom> but noone fixed it :P[04:03:11] <BePhantom> is there some kind of detailed newbie guide to submit a patch? :P[04:04:00] <mmadia> this is the best i've got so far : http://www.haiku-os.org/node/2535[04:04:13] <mmadia> in fact, our conversation spurred me to write it ;)[04:04:41] *** pyCube has quit IRC[04:05:45] <BePhantom> you wrote it yesterday :D[04:05:53] <BePhantom> can i do this entirely from ubuntu?[04:06:13] <mmadia> is the source tree accessible from ubuntu?[04:06:19] <BePhantom> download the file, modify it and upload?[04:06:28] <BePhantom> i dunno :P[04:07:34] <BePhantom> i can do it from the web[04:07:50] <BePhantom> http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source/[04:07:55] *** Kokito has quit IRC[04:14:19] <BePhantom> i booted haiku, i cant find svn_repository folder[04:15:13] <mmadia> thta's not supposed to be taken literally ;)[04:17:32] <BePhantom> well, then i don't understand the guide :P[04:21:07] *** thotypous has quit IRC[04:22:52] <BePhantom> i'll ask for someone to explain me further :D[04:28:08] <mmadia> BePhantom : the guide assumes that you have already downloaded the source code --- lemme dig up that URL.[04:28:45] <BePhantom> ok[04:28:59] <mmadia> http://www.haiku-os.org/node/2506[04:30:24] *** dos4 has joined #haiku[04:32:02] <BePhantom> mmadia, do i have to write both commands under anonymous svn access for haiku?[04:32:27] <mmadia> no, one or the other.[04:32:36] <BePhantom> oh ok[04:32:43] <mmadia> sometimes the url starting with svn:// isn't available.[04:32:58] <BePhantom> it's downloading the source[04:33:09] <BePhantom> i think it's going to take some time :D[04:34:51] <mmadia> for some reason i had always thought you built haiku from source.[04:35:19] <BePhantom> me? no, never[04:41:04] <BePhantom> how many megabytes is it?[04:41:21] <BePhantom> 200?[04:42:10] <mmadia> less than 1024[04:47:04] *** Geoz has quit IRC[04:48:14] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[05:14:21] *** mmadia has quit IRC[05:26:15] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[05:33:07] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[05:34:52] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[05:35:35] *** ulterior_modem has joined #Haiku[05:36:34] *** Carbamide has quit IRC[05:59:00] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[05:59:42] <pyCube> heh.. how does one say 'hound dog' in german?[06:00:33] * pyCube translates elvis lyrics in his head for no good reason[06:10:42] *** ulterior_modem has quit IRC[06:11:07] *** ulterior_modem has joined #Haiku[06:13:21] *** ulterior_modem has quit IRC[06:16:32] <BePhantom> pyCube, Jagdhund[06:17:22] *** Carbamide has joined #haiku[06:17:32] <BePhantom> pyCube, if you want to translate it into spanish: sabueso[06:17:33] <BePhantom> :)[06:18:21] <BePhantom> well, sabueso is more like bloodhound[06:30:15] <pyCube> its just a funny word[06:30:57] <pyCube> in english it kinda looks like 'dogdog'[06:31:20] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[06:31:34] *** surround1r has joined #haiku[06:45:56] *** surrounder has quit IRC[06:50:14] *** scottmc has joined #haiku[06:51:05] *** Kernel86 has joined #Haiku[06:55:48] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[07:05:18] *** ulterior_modem has joined #Haiku[07:05:55] *** redblue has quit IRC[07:08:12] *** Kernel86_ has quit IRC[07:08:33] *** Kernel86_ has joined #Haiku[07:19:21] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[07:20:11] *** Megaf has quit IRC[07:27:21] *** scottmc has quit IRC[07:32:46] *** redblue has joined #haiku[07:45:42] *** Carbamide has quit IRC[07:46:48] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[07:57:56] *** pyCube has quit IRC[07:58:02] *** pyCube_ has joined #haiku[08:11:10] * JonathanThompson poits pyCube_[08:11:17] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[08:25:38] <pyCube_> hi[08:26:42] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[08:27:40] <pyCube_> flack fleck flick flock fluke[08:32:21] * JonathanThompson farts in response to the f[08:32:48] <pyCube_> maybe i have too much think time, but i find that combo of words pretty interesting[08:32:50] <pyCube_> hehe[08:33:22] <pyCube_> i like fluke means what it is in relation to teh others[08:33:53] <JonathanThompson> People with too much think time tend to cause trouble in the world :D[08:34:13] <JonathanThompson> Depending on whom is doing it, they either create new problems, or new solutions which create new problems.[08:34:45] <pyCube_> as in tends towards opening cans of worms?[08:34:49] <JonathanThompson> Think about it: if Alexander Graham Belle hadn't invented the telephone, who would ever have to worry about paying the phone bill?[08:35:35] * JonathanThompson can make as weird of associations in logic as pyCube_ can with ease[08:35:52] * BePhantom just finished watching Karate Kid 2[08:36:20] * JonathanThompson hands BePhantom his condolences[08:36:24] <hackkitten> :D[08:36:26] <pyCube_> wasnt trying to compete.. just mumbling nonsense to myself when i happened upon that string of words[08:36:29] <JonathanThompson> Did you know there's a third movie???[08:36:41] <JonathanThompson> (Not the same kid, though)[08:36:47] <BePhantom> third and a fourth[08:36:56] <hackkitten> yeah, my housemate has them all on his PC[08:37:03] * hackkitten isn't too tempted to watch them, though :P[08:37:25] * JonathanThompson slaps himself for not being aware of the 4th...[08:37:28] <JonathanThompson> Eeek![08:37:30] <JonathanThompson> RUN![08:37:58] <hackkitten> :D[08:37:59] <pyCube_> "like a knight in shining armor.." egad![08:38:00] <JonathanThompson> Here's something that's a good quote on boardgamegeek.com: "It's not fair that 52% of the population controls 94% of the boob supply."[08:38:11] <hackkitten> ^-^;;;[08:38:25] <BePhantom> what i learn from this second part is that i should never go to okinawa, i could be seriously bullied by local mob :D[08:39:05] <JonathanThompson> You see? Its educational! ;)[08:40:33] <BePhantom> sure, i always learn things from movies[08:40:46] <BePhantom> even the most stupid ones :D[08:41:03] <JonathanThompson> I learned today that if you post used furniture for sale on Craig's List, some seem to honestly want to buy it, some claim they honestly want to buy it, ask you to take it off advertising, and promise you a cashier's check after you pay their movers to move it for them, and still others will write nastygrams telling you that you should pay THEM to take it off your hands![08:41:08] <BePhantom> i.e. michael bay's ones[08:41:24] <hackkitten> :3[08:44:37] <BePhantom> i love shazam :)[08:45:40] <BePhantom> got the name of a song in just a few sec :)[08:45:57] *** RandomInsano has joined #haiku[08:46:24] * JonathanThompson loves it when the insulting Craig's List idiot thinks that you're the one with emotional problems when they were the ones that went out of their way to send nasty stuff regarding what you had, when they could have saved time by skipping it entirely[08:47:21] <geist> yeah, i've been thinking of getting rid of my old couch[08:47:27] <geist> but i think i'll just find a ditch to burn it in[08:47:35] <geist> dealing with craigslist i do not want to[08:48:06] <BePhantom> geist, you could take it to a church, they'll prolly find someone who needs it[08:48:39] <geist> i dunno, it's pretty sketchy[08:48:45] <BePhantom> i do that with my unused clothes, i take it to the church for the unfortunate people[08:48:49] *** atomozero_ has quit IRC[08:49:00] <pyCube_> lighting an entire couch on fire can be pretty entertaining[08:49:10] <geist> yes, especially one with roaches in it[08:49:19] <geist> they'll try to crawl out, getting away from the fire[08:49:26] <geist> i done seen it with my own eyes[08:49:44] * JonathanThompson thinks geist must be the ultimate sportsman[08:49:57] <JonathanThompson> We'll have a cochroast!@[08:50:19] <geist> badum dum[08:52:44] * JonathanThompson wonders what kind of responses he'd get on Craig's List if he took a picture of dog poop and put that up for sale[08:53:21] <pyCube_> depends on whether or not its in the form of the virgin mary, or perhaps jesus[08:53:33] * JonathanThompson quotes pyCube_ for truth[08:53:33] <BePhantom> is craiglist like ebay?[08:53:49] <BePhantom> never used it[08:53:53] <JonathanThompson> The biggest difference is people tend to bid you down on Craig's List :D[08:54:08] <BePhantom> haha is that possible? :P[08:54:10] <pyCube_> it wont be long till we see the new item "my dog shit a saint"[08:54:29] <BePhantom> can you get -20 dollars? :P[08:54:40] * JonathanThompson idly wonders if dog poop in the right pattern would sell in Seattle, as weird as the area is[08:55:09] *** expensivelesbian has quit IRC[08:55:09] <JonathanThompson> BePhantom: some twit (presumably a woman by username) told me I should pay them to take my furniture off my hands :D[08:55:16] <JonathanThompson> (So, the answer is yes)[08:55:36] <BePhantom> haha, what did you tell her?[08:55:45] <JonathanThompson> It wasn't nice language...[08:55:56] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, share the link :D[08:56:02] <JonathanThompson> She replied back that I must have emotional problems :D[08:56:08] <JonathanThompson> (The email isn't linked)[08:56:33] <BePhantom> oh ok, i thought anyone could read it from a public link[08:56:50] <JonathanThompson> Not the email, but you could look at the furniture.[08:57:03] <qoreQ> haha[08:57:07] <qoreQ> seattle is super weird man[08:57:13] <JonathanThompson> Granted, it wasn't exactly the best light for it for the picture, low quality jpeg, etc.[08:57:17] <JonathanThompson> iPhone camera.[08:57:21] <BePhantom> sure, if you dont mind sharing the link :)[08:57:34] *** expensivelesbian has joined #haiku[08:57:46] <JonathanThompson> qoreQ: one time I drove off of I-5 into Seattle, and a guy had a cardboard sign asking for pot.[08:57:54] <qoreQ> hahaha[08:57:59] <qoreQ> which exit?[08:58:01] <BePhantom> i may bid and tell you to pay for the shipping costs to south america :D[08:58:18] <qoreQ> i used to see some crazy crap on the mercer street exit[08:58:30] <JonathanThompson> I think it said, "Out of pot, please spare a bowl" and if you were in doubt about what they meant, there was a pot plant drawn neatly.[08:58:47] <JonathanThompson> One of the more northern ones of Seattle proper, can't remember.[08:58:55] <qoreQ> oh like up in greenlake?[08:59:06] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, the link? :D[08:59:09] <JonathanThompson> Somewhere near there: I was up around 65th, IIRC.[08:59:09] <qoreQ> U District area?[08:59:14] <qoreQ> yeah[08:59:18] <JonathanThompson> One moment, BePhantom :P[08:59:26] <qoreQ> that's almost as weird as Capitol Hill[09:00:05] <JonathanThompson> http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/fuo/1182504831.html[09:00:41] <JonathanThompson> The furniture pattern "Lava" defies easy description, and doesn't appear to be photogenic.[09:00:49] <qoreQ> hehe[09:00:59] <pyCube_> imo, seattle (the pac nw in general) is comfortable and sane.. its places like los angeles that are weird[09:01:01] <JonathanThompson> But, it's very comfortable furniture.[09:01:11] <qoreQ> pyCube_: i'd go along with that[09:01:21] <qoreQ> i'm not saying seattle isn't cool, i loved living there[09:01:30] <qoreQ> just some parts are kinda wild in a cool way[09:02:07] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, looks like an inflatable couch :D[09:02:27] <JonathanThompson> I didn't think things could be that way as depicted in the series "Dark Angel" but after living here, I've come to realize this: I could totally see genetic animal/human hybrids wandering the streets of Seattle, and nobody thinking it unusual :D[09:03:05] <JonathanThompson> Well, it's not, BePhantom, it's rather substantial furniture in reality :D[09:03:06] <qoreQ> dude[09:03:17] <JonathanThompson> qoreQ: ?[09:03:18] <qoreQ> people go to operas in birkenstocks and white socks[09:03:23] <qoreQ> jeans and t-shirts[09:03:36] <qoreQ> place was quirky to say the least lol[09:03:40] <JonathanThompson> Or fancy restaurants... or job interviews for high-paying positions :D[09:03:50] <qoreQ> that too[09:03:55] *** expensivelesbia1 has joined #haiku[09:04:04] <JonathanThompson> Of course, the one interview I was the interviewer at Yahoo! before I was laid off, I had some fun...[09:04:35] <JonathanThompson> My coworker and I had been assigned the task of interviewing a potential QA candidate for the Champaign, Illinois office...[09:04:56] <JonathanThompson> I was curious as to cultural fit, as well as to see if he was paying attention, and besides, just wanted to have some fun...[09:05:07] <JonathanThompson> So I interviewed him, barefoot (I was barefoot).[09:05:58] <JonathanThompson> He showed no evidence of even noticing anything about my appearance in the least.[09:06:20] <JonathanThompson> Then again, both of us interviewing him concluded the same thing: he was less than worthless in practice for the job.[09:06:29] <qoreQ> haha[09:06:46] <JonathanThompson> Sadly, it wasn't even any debate.[09:07:06] <JonathanThompson> The biggest debate we could have was how he could currently be employed as claimed on his resume.[09:08:10] *** expensivelesbian has quit IRC[09:08:13] <JonathanThompson> I had seen/heard the results of a lot of candidates being interviewed for regular dev positions while I was there, and not a single one had as negative of feedback from all interviewers (just 2 of us for this one, admittedly: but that was more than enough) as that guy.[09:09:23] <qoreQ> was he just a dipshit?[09:09:54] <JonathanThompson> At best, he was grossly incompetent: I'm certain his resume was heavily padded/embellished.[09:10:27] <qoreQ> yeah[09:10:43] <JonathanThompson> I forget the exact wording I used for the summation, but something to the effect: "None of my immediate family members write software at all, but I'd hire any single one of them long before I ever hired this guy!"[09:11:20] <qoreQ> haha[09:11:50] <JonathanThompson> This guy is one of those guys that I curse at, because they cause me to potentially not get a job due to them applying, and perhaps they've filled their quota of people they can interview before I get checked out.[09:12:25] <qoreQ> yeah[09:13:23] * JonathanThompson isn't bitter[09:13:29] * JonathanThompson is also never sarcastic[09:14:20] <JonathanThompson> So, care to place bets as to whether or not I'd get anyone crazy enough to offer to pay me money for a pile of dog poop in the Seattle area?[09:14:37] <qoreQ> sell it as art[09:14:40] <qoreQ> and yes you could[09:15:02] * JonathanThompson thinks about the bare concrete wall in his bedroom that's a feature of his apartment decore[09:17:13] <BePhantom> karate kid 2 behind the scenes is 5 minutes long, how lame is taht[09:17:14] <BePhantom> that*[09:19:05] <MrSunshine> time to get up![09:20:52] * JonathanThompson puts MrSunshine back down[09:20:58] <MrSunshine> Wee jack, jack get up, no more time for sleeping![09:22:20] *** RandomInsano has quit IRC[09:22:49] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, you could print and put this pic on that wall http://i490.photobucket.com/albums/rr262/g_bourke888/hang_in_there_kitty.jpg[09:23:27] <JonathanThompson> Yeah, well, I'll be out of this current apartment before the end of this month, one way or another.[09:23:34] <JonathanThompson> That's a waste of time, effort, and money.[09:28:24] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[09:29:58] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[09:31:38] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, wasnt there a huge lightning storm in seattle a couple of days ago?[09:31:54] <JonathanThompson> That's all relative :P[09:32:02] <JonathanThompson> For Seattle, sure...[09:32:16] <JonathanThompson> But compared to the climate I moved here from, it's nothing.[09:33:04] <BePhantom> i think i saw some video on the news showing a big storm where that kind of futuristic (i dont know the name) tower is[09:33:14] <JonathanThompson> Space Needle.[09:33:40] <BePhantom> yes, that's the one[09:33:46] <JonathanThompson> Yeah, I heard someone got a great picture of it, one I've not seen, with lightning striking it, or at least it looks like it.[09:34:16] <JonathanThompson> But hey, back in 2003, my house was struck directly by lightning while I was taking a shower, so I don't see that as being very special or unique :D[09:34:38] <BePhantom> hits is the one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHpneKe0uMQ[09:34:41] <BePhantom> this*[09:35:32] <JonathanThompson> Well, it IS one of the highest metal structures for several miles :D[09:35:37] <BePhantom> or this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_sas4Ecz3o[09:35:39] <BePhantom> hehe[09:36:16] <JonathanThompson> Yup, one of the local network affiliates.[09:36:28] <BePhantom> i saw that video on my local news channel[09:36:44] <BePhantom> apparently they didnt have enough interesting local news :D[09:37:13] <BePhantom> they always fill the informative gaps with some stupid video from youtube :D[09:37:40] <JonathanThompson> Well, in recent local news, a water main in Seattle burst open, and waterlogged several houses and ate away big chunks of road, and residents are demanding that the city replace their stuff because insurance won't cover it :D[09:37:54] <geist> you are not sancho[09:38:31] <JonathanThompson> Oh, I forgot to mention the bear that's wandering through Seattle right now....[09:39:02] * JonathanThompson loves living in a city area where bears roam the streets[09:39:03] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, that makes sense, they should demand that they pay for it :D[09:40:17] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[09:40:47] <JonathanThompson> Of course, in Utah where half my siblings live, every so often someone is startled by coming out one morning to get in their car in their garage, to discover they've accidentally locked a mountain lion in their garage with their car when they got home :D[09:41:53] <BePhantom> you joking :D[09:42:01] * JonathanThompson wonders what people would do if there were no animals to make life more interesting[09:42:08] <JonathanThompson> BePhantom: I am NOT joking![09:42:30] <JonathanThompson> You see, cats like to lay on warm objects...[09:42:39] <JonathanThompson> Cars after being driven home, are warm objects...[09:42:49] <BePhantom> how could you not see a mountain lion when you get out of the car, and before when going in?[09:42:51] <JonathanThompson> People often leave their garage door open for a bit after they get home...[09:42:59] <geist> mountain lions are invisible[09:43:05] <JonathanThompson> Then close them later with the automatic garage door opener, perhaps not even looking in.[09:43:15] <geist> never saw one where i grew up, but we constantly heard them[09:43:17] <BePhantom> geist, haha aparently they are in Utah[09:43:22] <geist> it's a *really* creepy sound[09:43:27] <JonathanThompson> And between the time they get home, and the time the door is closed, a mountain lion decides it likes a warm car.[09:43:32] <geist> essentially they are seen when they want to be seen[09:44:07] <JonathanThompson> Cats in general are like that, I've noticed, geist.[09:44:19] <JonathanThompson> Not sure how that's supposed to work, but cats have that ability.[09:45:04] <geist> here's a good one[09:45:05] <geist> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKw4OFAu1WM&feature=related[09:45:20] <geist> that's about right... really creepy when it's dark out[09:46:27] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[09:46:53] <BePhantom> there are a plenty of mountain lions here in my country[09:46:59] <BePhantom> we call them "pumas"[09:47:08] <geist> yep, cougar too[09:48:09] <BePhantom> yes[09:48:58] <BePhantom> they are beautiful[09:49:27] * JonathanThompson isn't sure if a loud house cat in heat and caterwauling is any worse than one of those larger kitties[09:49:54] <JonathanThompson> Other than the fact that one of those larger kitties can have you for a snack, that is![09:51:28] <clay_> hmm[09:51:35] <clay_> are the gcc4 vmware images broken?[09:51:42] *** expensivelesbia1 has left #haiku[09:52:29] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, i prefer a house cat :D[09:52:55] <BePhantom> plus i dont know there but having a mountain lion is illegal[09:53:06] <BePhantom> as pet that is[09:53:10] <JonathanThompson> Well, I think it is here, too...[09:53:33] <JonathanThompson> But honestly, a house cat can be rather dangerous when upset: could you imagine something 100 times the mass being upset???[09:54:15] * JonathanThompson will be quite content to see them in video or in zoos or from a safe distance[09:54:49] <JonathanThompson> Someone told me one time they went hunting, and came across one...[09:55:10] <JonathanThompson> They were hunting for something else, but noticed that the cat was hunting for something....[09:55:24] <JonathanThompson> And realized.... there was no other animal for it to be looking at in their direction.[09:55:37] <JonathanThompson> And it was getting ready to pounce.[09:55:58] <JonathanThompson> That's when they started to make a big racket and bluster a bit :D[09:58:59] *** nikla_ has joined #haiku[09:59:36] <BePhantom> in patagonia they are killed because they eat cattle in the farms[09:59:56] *** lordheavy has joined #haiku[10:00:06] <JonathanThompson> If they overdo that, they'll find that other things start needing to be killed by humans, too.[10:00:10] *** lordheavy has left #haiku[10:00:23] <BePhantom> im not sure but i think they are an endangered specie[10:00:58] *** Carbamide has joined #haiku[10:01:04] <Carbamide> Anyone around?[10:01:11] * pyCube_ checks to see[10:01:22] * JonathanThompson isn't here, just his shadow with sentience[10:01:23] *** paul0 has quit IRC[10:01:25] <Carbamide> I need someone to talk to. My mom died for 15 minutes tonight[10:01:30] * BePhantom looks under his bed[10:01:40] <JonathanThompson> EEK![10:01:48] <Carbamide> I'm in the hospital waiting room waiting to hear something right now.[10:01:51] <JonathanThompson> You need to tell her to stop doing that, that's going to kill her one day![10:02:22] <Carbamide> I live in Claremore, OK, and when the paramedics got there, they shocked her back to life.l[10:02:32] <Carbamide> They lifeflighted her to Tulsa, but she's still not here.[10:02:58] <Carbamide> It's been 30 minutes, so I think something must have gone wrong.[10:03:13] <Carbamide> Itdoesn't take 30 minutes to take a helicopter ride from Claremore to Tulsa.[10:03:37] <Carbamide> I'm a nervous fucking wreck. I took a nerve pill, but it hasn't helped yet.[10:03:47] <Carbamide> And noone is in the chatrooms I normally talk about this stuff in.[10:03:50] <Carbamide> Sorry I'm being offtopic.[10:03:52] * Carbamide stops[10:04:06] <JonathanThompson> If your adrenaline is pumping too much, not much will affect you right away in that regard.[10:04:25] <JonathanThompson> Did she have a heart attack, or was it something else?[10:04:35] <Carbamide> They haven't told us yet.[10:04:43] <Carbamide> But she was dead for 15 minutes is all I know.[10:04:50] <Carbamide> So I'm expecting some brain damage.[10:05:06] <JonathanThompson> Was she having CPR during all that time she wasn't doing things on her own?[10:05:30] <Carbamide> I was at work and I tried to coach my dad through cpr over the phone.[10:05:33] <Carbamide> He hadn't taken the class.[10:05:46] * JonathanThompson doesn't know what to say[10:06:00] <Carbamide> He kept coming back to the phone and saying it wasn't working and I told him to keep doing and not to stop until the ambulance got there[10:06:03] <Carbamide> When they could take over.[10:06:05] <JonathanThompson> But I think you've already reached a logical conclusion :/[10:06:11] <Carbamide> Yep[10:06:25] <JonathanThompson> How old?[10:06:30] <Carbamide> 69[10:06:40] <JonathanThompson> Health problems you were aware of?[10:06:57] * JonathanThompson notes that's older than either of my parents before they died[10:07:10] <Carbamide> Yeah, she has a lot of health problems[10:08:04] <Carbamide> congestive heart failure being one of them.[10:08:19] <Carbamide> I mean... I expected this to happen eventually, but you can never be prepared for it[10:08:36] *** boardbot25 has quit IRC[10:08:39] <JonathanThompson> I see... my oldest brother was finally just diagnosed with that, but... he's been an idiot, and he's only 49.[10:08:40] <BePhantom> if she has some brain damage you shouldnt worry, the human body always find a way to heal itself with the proper treatment[10:08:49] <JonathanThompson> No, you can never be fully ready for it.[10:08:50] *** boardbot25 has joined #haiku[10:09:14] <JonathanThompson> Well, BePhantom, the other details he's telling about put things in grave doubt about such prospects.[10:09:25] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[10:09:30] <JonathanThompson> I'll be amazed if my oldest brother makes it to 69.[10:10:04] * JonathanThompson doesn't know what his long-term prognosis is other than to fight degradation with gusto[10:10:20] <Carbamide> A few weeks ago, they gave mom 5 years to live.[10:10:34] <Carbamide> And since then she's been doing everything right. Eating right, walking, etc.[10:10:51] <Carbamide> It's been about 2 months I guess since they said that.[10:10:53] <JonathanThompson> But even in good health, people at a given age range just drop.[10:11:00] <Carbamide> Yep.[10:11:28] <JonathanThompson> And... she clearly wasn't in ideal health before this happened, so all bets are off.[10:11:35] <Carbamide> My dad is here with me. He's a nervous wreck too. I actually saw him crying a few minutes ago.[10:11:37] * JonathanThompson knows how to cheer people up[10:11:41] <Carbamide> haha, yeah[10:11:53] <JonathanThompson> It was my Mom that joked that death is just a passing phase.[10:11:57] <Carbamide> I don't want someone feeding me a line of shit though. I would rather talk bluntly about it[10:12:07] <JonathanThompson> I can do that.[10:12:19] <Carbamide> :-)[10:12:25] <JonathanThompson> I'm not sure I could feed you a line of shit about this, actually.[10:12:29] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #haiku[10:12:47] * JonathanThompson hasn't been accused of being the most sensitive person[10:14:14] <JonathanThompson> I can't see how I can offer any hope that she'll come out of this in this lifetime, Carbamide, I just can't.[10:14:39] <JonathanThompson> I could hope so, though.[10:14:58] *** Carbamide has quit IRC[10:15:19] <JonathanThompson> I hope I didn't depress him or upset him, BePhantom :/[10:16:46] <BePhantom> no, i think there isn't anything you could say that could depress him more[10:17:30] <BePhantom> plus i guess he just wanted to get it out of his chest, i bet he didnt pay much attention to your words[10:17:35] <JonathanThompson> I believe he already logically figured out the reality, and is correct.[10:18:19] <JonathanThompson> I guess that'll mess up his family's plans for Memorial Day weekend.[10:19:12] <BePhantom> yeah, that's a kind of bad joke :P[10:19:23] <JonathanThompson> When my Dad died in 98, it was timed nearly perfectly for Thanksgiving week.[10:19:48] <JonathanThompson> As a result, we had an overabundance of Thanksgiving food from neighbors and church members to eat.[10:20:10] <JonathanThompson> I foresee his family having the same sort of thing, but with stuff usually cooked on the grill.[10:20:24] <BePhantom> my folks are still living so crossing fingers[10:21:02] <JonathanThompson> I'm attempting to keep myself in shape such that I outlive the age of my parents, but my oldest brother... I'm not certain will reach the age of the younger of the two.[10:21:18] <JonathanThompson> I'm actually rather convinced he won't live that long with his patterns.[10:22:35] <gordonjcp> morning[10:22:40] <gordonjcp> what a cheery bunch today, eh[10:22:45] <JonathanThompson> Morning, gordonjcp.[10:22:50] * JonathanThompson is full of cheer[10:23:15] <JonathanThompson> Since it's now Friday, at least I don't have to worry now about being served papers, because that happened yesterday :D[10:23:43] <JonathanThompson> I was actually rather surprised it didn't happen earlier, given everything going on.[10:23:46] <BePhantom> gordonjcp, good timing :D[10:24:32] * JonathanThompson is living on the edge of financial destruction right now[10:25:36] <JonathanThompson> This would be a great time for me to have credit, instead of all debts.[10:25:51] * gordonjcp is at least somewhat neutral with money[10:26:05] <BePhantom> i have a long weekend ahead, monday is holiday[10:26:07] <JonathanThompson> I'm not sure whether that light at the end of the tunnel is daylight, or the headlight of an oncoming train.[10:26:09] <gordonjcp> I haven't got any, but at least I don't have any significant debts[10:26:52] *** surrounder has joined #haiku[10:26:55] <JonathanThompson> Since I'm unemployed at the moment, and monthly expenses exceed what unemployment pays, anything is too much in practice.[10:27:30] <BePhantom> 25 of may is our independence day, so it's holiday for us :)[10:27:55] <JonathanThompson> This coming Monday (always a Monday) is Memorial Day in the US.[10:28:14] <JonathanThompson> So, Argentina and the US have holidays somewhat lined up this time :)[10:28:30] <JonathanThompson> Independence Day in the US being July 4th.[10:28:52] <JonathanThompson> I suppose Memorial Day is a closely-related holiday in spirit.[10:29:46] <gordonjcp> JonathanThompson: I'm currently unemployed and my gf has just been made redundant too. Oh well, we'll figure something out[10:30:06] <BePhantom> im going to sleep guys, good nite. Til tomorrow[10:30:09] <gordonjcp> dip into the savings, buy a static caravan and put it on site at my place up north[10:30:19] <BePhantom> or later today :D[10:30:25] <gordonjcp> BePhantom: later[10:30:26] <JonathanThompson> Well, if I'm not being mislead because someone I've been doing business is not being mislead, I'll be fine before I'm booted out of my current place, though it'll be on the edge of everything being shut off.[10:30:31] <JonathanThompson> Seeya, BePhantom ![10:30:41] <BePhantom> chau :)[10:30:54] <JonathanThompson> gordonjcp: the problem is, my business dealings soaked up ALL of my savings.[10:30:55] *** surround1r has quit IRC[10:30:56] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[10:35:10] *** Elledan has joined #haiku[10:43:03] *** Elledan is now known as Maya-sama[10:44:26] <Teknomancer> morning[10:54:15] <Ingenu> morning[11:06:49] *** nikla_ has quit IRC[11:18:11] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[11:23:42] *** nikla_ has joined #haiku[11:24:24] *** nikla_ is now known as 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<Carbamide> JonathanThompson: Mom made it through the night, but the doctor's said for sure she had a heart attack[13:46:44] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[13:46:52] <gordonjcp> Carbamide: :-/[13:48:13] <Carbamide> I'm getting hungry[13:48:43] * Carbamide goes the cafetreaia[13:49:35] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[13:51:52] *** Carbamide has quit IRC[13:56:11] <stpere> there was a bulgary at my appartment.. that makes me hungary :P[13:57:29] *** nikla_ has quit IRC[13:59:08] *** badbob has left #haiku[14:07:29] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[14:12:30] *** Barrett` has joined #haiku[14:13:34] *** Barrett` has quit IRC[14:13:52] *** Barrett` has joined #haiku[14:22:17] *** awpeter has joined #haiku[14:32:35] *** surround1r has joined #haiku[14:46:24] *** surrounder has quit IRC[14:55:57] *** miqlas_ has quit IRC[15:05:15] *** ulterior_modem has joined #Haiku[15:24:08] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[15:25:30] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[15:37:57] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[15:40:31] *** dchis 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possible.[16:14:29] <mmadia> see the section on "Customizing UserBuildConfig", specifically DefineBuildProfile[16:14:33] *** oxocoffee has joined #haiku[16:14:46] <adamk_> Right, you can change the size, but not while it's building, right?[16:15:25] <mmadia> correct.[16:15:43] <mmadia> you may as well let the build finish, modify UserBuildConfig and re-run the build.[16:15:46] <Verdant_Machine> yeah hence my incorrect phrased question :)[16:15:56] <mmadia> as any objects that get built, will be re-used when possible.[16:17:00] <Verdant_Machine> I just wanted to know how jam was calculating the image size and that page points me in the right direction, thanks mmadia[16:17:04] <mmadia> For reference, here's my UserBuildConfig : http://haiku.pastebin.com/f6c255b3a[16:17:31] <mmadia> Verdant_Machine : it's a variable defined either as a default (128mb) or through UserBuildConfig or ReleaseBuildProfiles.[16:18:34] <mmadia> one thing i like about my UserBuildConfig, it'll change the name of the image file based on the platform you're building it for [ x86 | ppc | arm |m68k |mips ] and if it's x86, it'll add the gcc version and possibly even the "-hybrid" tag to it :)[16:18:41] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[16:20:03] <Verdant_Machine> oh good, that will be of use to me.[16:20:52] <mmadia> actually, there's still some issues with it :)[16:21:03] *** Barrett`_ has joined #haiku[16:22:15] <Verdant_Machine> Don't worry I am not going to be bitching and complaining that something doesn't work in Haiku[16:23:05] *** JDarkness__ has joined #haiku[16:24:09] <mmadia> *issues with my UserBuildConfig ;)[16:25:18] *** Barrett` has quit IRC[16:27:24] <mmadia> http://haiku.pastebin.com/mf820ffb that's the stuff.[16:30:50] <Verdant_Machine> ty, That helps me a bit to overcome my temporary ignorance of jam.[16:32:09] *** Karurosu has quit IRC[16:32:19] *** Advant- has quit IRC[16:32:19] *** Karurosu has joined #haiku[16:32:35] *** Advant has joined #Haiku[16:32:42] *** JDarkness__ has quit 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That was very unpleasent.[16:48:17] <AlienSoldier> you are no longuer symetrical :P[16:48:22] <halfhelf> :P[16:48:32] <CIA-9> bonefish * r30825 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/ (KernelRules MainBuildRules OverriddenJamRules):[16:48:32] <CIA-9> Added rule SetVersionScript to set the version script for a target and adjusted[16:48:32] <CIA-9> the Link and KernelLd rules to support it.[16:48:35] <halfhelf> had all 4 wisdoms pulled and a molar[16:48:49] <mmadia> are wisdoms also molars? :P[16:49:03] <halfhelf> people know the difference :P[16:49:38] <halfhelf> didnt eat anything wed, yesterday i had some mashed potatoes .... :)[16:49:46] <halfhelf> maybe ill get to eat something better today[16:49:49] <halfhelf> jaw is stiff :([16:50:45] <Verdant_Machine> I have one wisdom tooth pulled a few months back and the other 3 are due soon.[16:50:45] <AlienSoldier> other than blood tasteing, i was totally normal the day after the removed my 4 monster wisdom[16:50:48] <CIA-9> bonefish * r30826 /haiku/trunk/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs):[16:50:48] <CIA-9> Added version scripts for the kernel, libroot, and libbe. ATM each has two[16:50:48] <CIA-9> version nodes: *_BASE and *_1_ALPHA1.[16:51:14] * JonathanThompson poits halfhelf[16:51:31] <AlienSoldier> the guy did not "pull" mine, he just opened the jaw[16:51:32] <halfhelf> AlienSoldier, id probably have it better except for this molar[16:51:35] * JonathanThompson notes he's helf the man he used to be[16:51:40] <Verdant_Machine> I found the experience pleasant since I was in so much pain before hand :)[16:51:43] <halfhelf> :P[16:51:58] <halfhelf> i wqasnt in pain before hand[16:52:29] <JonathanThompson> Are you now in pain after hand?[16:52:41] <halfhelf> jaw is sore[16:52:43] <CIA-9> bonefish * r30827 /haiku/trunk/src/system/libroot/posix/glibc/ (iconv/gconv_cache.c include/bits/stat.h): Commented out more unused glibc stuff. Scary...[16:53:28] <halfhelf> my sister finds out what gender her tumor is this afternoon[16:53:47] <mmadia> malignant ;)[16:53:49] <JonathanThompson> Pregnant, or a really bad hormone regulation issue? ;)[16:54:00] <halfhelf> preggers :P[16:54:22] <halfhelf> my nephew wants a brother, but afterh aving to deal with him, i think id prefer it being a girl[16:54:56] <CIA-9> bonefish * r30828 /haiku/trunk/headers/ (os/BeBuild.h private/system/symbol_versioning.h):[16:54:56] <CIA-9> Introduced macro B_DEFINE_SYMBOL_VERSION() in <BeBuild.h> to help with[16:54:56] <CIA-9> versioning symbols, and private macro DEFINE_LIBROOT_KERNEL_SYMBOL_VERSION()[16:54:56] <CIA-9> for symbols compiled into both libroot and kernel.[16:55:02] <Verdant_Machine> non-lethal fire arms come in handy[16:55:16] <AlienSoldier> halfhelf sette for a gay[16:55:20] <AlienSoldier> *settle[16:56:06] *** Megaf has joined #Haiku[16:56:10] *** Megaf_ has joined #Haiku[16:56:19] <JonathanThompson> halfhelf: if it is a little girl, changing the diaper is much less likely to result in you getting a Golden Arch :P[16:56:27] *** Megaf_ has quit IRC[16:56:34] <CIA-9> bonefish * r30829 /haiku/trunk/src/system/runtime_loader/elf_symbol_lookup.cpp:[16:56:34] <CIA-9> Removed remapping of the *stat() symbols for BeOS executables. We'll use[16:56:34] <CIA-9> symbol versioning instead.[16:56:43] <AlienSoldier> gay are cool, they don't have to change cloth 4 time in a day and don't piss outside the toilet rim :)[16:56:45] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[16:57:14] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #haiku[16:58:47] *** Verdant_Machine is now known as V_Machine[17:00:07] <V_Machine> lots of people seem to get hung up on the word verdant.[17:00:07] <V_Machine> I wonder where the golden arches represent at McDonald Do you think they pee in the soda?[17:01:16] <adamk_> Speaking as "a gay" I can assure you that getting pee inside the toilet can be just as difficult for us.[17:01:18] <adamk_> :-)[17:03:06] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[17:03:09] <AlienSoldier> adamk_yes, but at least gay care to not do it[17:03:11] <miqlas> Hello![17:03:21] <miqlas> Nobody tryed to rebuild VLC 0.8.6 on GCC4?[17:10:07] <halfhelf> i hate when people dont even attempt to pee inside the seat[17:11:53] <V_Machine> seat what seat?? they come with seats?[17:12:38] *** miqlas has quit IRC[17:12:43] <CIA-9> bonefish * r30830 /haiku/trunk/ (20 files in 12 dirs): (log message trimmed)[17:12:43] <CIA-9> * Made our struct stat POSIX compliant again -- the time_t fields have been[17:12:43] <CIA-9> replaced by timespec fields. Via macros the structure is still source[17:12:43] <CIA-9> compatible with the old one.[17:12:43] <CIA-9> * Introduced header <compat/sys/stat.h> that defines the old stat structure[17:12:45] <CIA-9> (as stat_beos) and conversion functions[17:12:47] <CIA-9> * Introduced versions for [l,f]stat().[17:13:40] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[17:14:43] <mmadia> miqlas have you checked haiku ports?[17:15:20] <miqlas> not yet? why?[17:15:44] <miqlas> mmadia, where is the Transmission 1.4 port? I don't found it :([17:15:44] *** leszek has joined #haiku[17:16:05] <mmadia> the binary or the portlog?[17:16:08] <leszek> hi[17:16:29] <miqlas> Ah, now i see the 0.6.8 log :([17:16:36] <miqlas> The binary.[17:16:48] <mmadia> transmission's binary is hosted at haikuware irrc.[17:16:51] *** glootech_ has joined #haiku[17:17:11] <miqlas> On HaikuWare i can't found the binary.[17:17:57] *** tqh has joined #haiku[17:18:09] <miqlas> mmadia, it was on GCC2? http://ports.haiku-files.org/wiki/media-video/vlc/0.8.6i/1[17:18:16] <miqlas> May it build on GCC4?[17:18:21] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[17:18:28] <mmadia> i don't know, i haven't tried building VLC.[17:20:12] *** glootech_ has quit IRC[17:29:39] *** dchis has joined #haiku[17:33:04] *** halfhelf has quit IRC[17:34:54] *** glootech has quit IRC[17:47:38] *** awpeter has quit IRC[17:54:09] *** dchis has quit IRC[17:56:27] <V_Machine> jam -q @disk <---- what does the @disk refer too in the context of building for a usb-stick at /dev/sdc I have all this in a virtual machine so I can't hurt my system if I jack this up :)[17:58:28] <V_Machine> Oh nm I got it[18:00:37] *** Hugen_ has joined #haiku[18:00:42] <Hugen_> hi all[18:02:17] <leszek> hi[18:02:28] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[18:05:27] *** VinDuv is now known as VinDuv|away[18:05:52] <V_Machine> hell.o[18:06:36] <dr_evil> a.out[18:06:42] *** VinDuv|away is now known as VinDuv[18:11:03] <V_Machine> I can't believe this. I lost a laptop.[18:15:40] <stpere> you didn't lost it. You just don't know where you put it[18:16:22] <V_Machine> found it. It was on a book shelf masquerading as a book.[18:16:31] <stpere> heh[18:20:41] <V_Machine> It is a old one with modified AGM batteries. Its not fast but it is very dependable. I figure it would be perfect for Haiku testing[18:26:56] *** surrounder has joined #haiku[18:32:59] <V_Machine> ewww it still has gentoo on it[18:33:49] *** miqlas has quit IRC[18:35:40] <stpere> V_Machine: you have 4 gentoo-years to spend to update it :)[18:35:55] <stpere> emerge world.. *sigh*[18:36:41] <V_Machine> hehehe well the python code in portage is so dam slow on older machines.[18:36:41] <stpere> source based distribution, as opposed to hmm.. source compiled for you distributions :)[18:36:51] <V_Machine> I defected to LFS[18:38:09] <V_Machine> atm I am using a hybrid of the lunar package manger with CLFS and it works well, I actually get shit done rather then dicking around with a Distro.[18:38:24] <helf|laptop> fun[18:38:34] <helf|laptop> i got my replacement usb key in from corsair and ubuntu wont mount it...[18:38:36] <helf|laptop> bout to try windows[18:39:11] *** tqh has quit IRC[18:40:12] *** philcostin has joined #haiku[18:40:21] <V_Machine> but I got exposed to BeOS application API and I likey so taking a serious look at Haiku[18:41:09] <V_Machine> feel like a newbie again :)[18:42:40] *** surround1r has quit IRC[18:46:29] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[18:48:05] <V_Machine> ubuntu is a insidious drug. You set it up for users and think oh good they can just use all that GUI crap and not complain, but then something breaks and you are stuck reading ubuntu documentation that has nothing to do with linux.[18:49:15] <leszek> linux is an will ever be just the kernel[18:50:10] <V_Machine> sorry GNU/linux if we are going to get technical :)[18:50:29] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[18:50:44] <V_Machine> or Linux/GNU if you want to start a fight in #GNU[18:50:55] <Geoz> lol[18:52:01] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[18:52:05] <MindChild> I think GNU/Linux is valid[18:52:12] <MindChild> 99% of the system is GNU tools[18:53:20] *** glootech has joined #haiku[18:55:09] <philcostin> GNU/Linux/SomeBSDtools/OccasionallyProprietaryGraphicsDrivers/SomeMITLicensedCode/Someotherthings[18:55:46] <V_Machine> I think it depends on your perspective. Like if it was the hurd kernel with linux tools one may call it GNU/linux and Linux/GNU the other way around. But you can also think of it as a GNU system infected with a Linux kernel hence GNU/linux. However if you go by the raw definition of OS one can argue that the Linux part in GNU/Linux is the only part that is a OS alone.[18:56:22] <V_Machine> and then again it all seems silly but it sure pissed off the #GNU channel to even suggest anything other then GNU/Linux[18:56:23] <philcostin> alt.religion.gnu[18:57:07] <Hugen_> glootech[18:57:22] <V_Machine> hehe[18:57:38] <philcostin> I'm surprised there isn't some kind of gnusenet[19:00:31] *** Hugen_ has quit IRC[19:02:02] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[19:11:32] *** leszek has quit IRC[19:12:09] *** redblue has joined #haiku[19:17:54] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[19:30:57] <addos> fanatics are fanatics are fanatics[19:33:02] <pyCube> totally.. ever been to a beos/haiku channel?[19:35:13] *** VinDuv is now known as VinDuv|away[19:37:23] *** pyCube has quit IRC[19:41:01] *** dchis has joined #haiku[19:42:54] *** adamk_ has quit IRC[19:43:28] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[19:45:31] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[19:46:31] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[19:49:27] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[19:53:06] *** VinDuv|away is now known as VinDuv[19:54:55] *** philcostin has quit IRC[19:55:58] <V_Machine> and haiku boots on the old laptop no problem[19:56:28] *** atomozero has joined #haiku[19:57:51] *** korli has joined #haiku[19:57:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[19:58:18] <addos> are there any bug reports on preview?[19:58:37] <mmadia> on preview?[19:59:04] <addos> yeah, the print preview[19:59:27] <addos> when I try to preview a document from stylededit, the position of text with font changes looks all screwed up[19:59:42] <mmadia> http://dev.haiku-os.org :)[20:00:35] <addos> thanks[20:01:12] <gordonjcp> what's a good way to test for font awareness?[20:01:42] <gordonjcp> I figured that I could set my "default" font to something really odd and see what broke or didn't have the "right" one[20:02:37] <mmadia> gordonjcp : use the Fonts preflet to crank the size way up.[20:02:57] <mmadia> i'm not sure if that'll be a live setting or will require programs (or haiku itself) to be restarted.[20:03:02] *** Megaf has quit IRC[20:03:31] <stpere> mmadia: an application restart should be sufficient[20:04:42] <addos> what controls the colors of ansi colors in terminal?[20:04:54] <addos> are they definable?[20:07:07] <V_Machine> I plan on creating a sparse image file with the exact geometry of a remote target drive and looping it through a loop dev. Then have the Haiku build system just treat it as a target drive. Then trans port the image to the target drive. Does that plan sound possible?[20:08:37] <gordonjcp> mmadia: "principle of least surprise" says that it should be live[20:09:19] <mmadia> V_Machine : basically, are you trying to create a raw image file that can be `dd` to another harddrive and fill all of it?[20:09:27] <V_Machine> yup[20:09:40] <mmadia> can you boot from USB on that remote machine?[20:10:26] <V_Machine> the machine does not have the ability to do that, and I don't feel like screwing with a boot floppy and or cdrom[20:10:51] <mmadia> ah[20:11:19] <V_Machine> atm it is up and running but the transfer of a 2G flash takes a long time and the drive size doesn't match[20:12:20] <mmadia> well, typically i suggest `dd` directly to a USB stick, booting that and then using haiku's `Installer`[20:14:04] <V_Machine> I wonder what is involved in resizing a BeOS fs[20:14:07] <V_Machine> brb[20:15:36] <V_Machine> eh I better try the sparse thing first :)[20:20:25] <helf|laptop> yay[20:20:28] <helf|laptop> only took 1.5 months[20:20:32] <helf|laptop> but i have my new 64gb usb key[20:20:54] *** oxocoffee has quit IRC[20:24:42] <V_Machine> ah no duh, I can just use qemu to emulate the drive. I don't need the loop device[20:25:21] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[20:32:03] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[20:32:04] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[20:37:43] *** adamk_ has joined #haiku[20:40:50] <V_Machine> ah dang it didn't work filled that sparse image right up. it must be initializing the whole drive.[20:43:15] <V_Machine> ah but gzip crushed it back down. problem solved :)[20:47:13] *** halfhelf has joined #haiku[20:50:02] <halfhelf> test test ttest[20:50:03] <halfhelf> this is a test[20:50:05] <halfhelf> blah blah blah[20:50:07] <halfhelf> weeeeeeee[20:50:07] <halfhelf> e[20:50:09] <halfhelf> yay[20:50:14] <halfhelf> cursor isnt jumping around[20:50:53] <Teknomancer> stop increasing your stats :P[20:54:51] <helf|laptop> heh[20:55:03] <helf|laptop> i was having issues with the keyboard in ubuntu on my mini 9[20:55:13] <helf|laptop> seems to be working better now[20:58:18] *** korli has quit IRC[20:59:28] *** atomozero has quit IRC[20:59:33] *** atomozero has joined #haiku[21:04:22] <HeTo> helf|laptop: Ubuntu now? what happened to OS X?[21:04:54] <HeTo> wait, _your_ mini 9? you mean you have a computer that's manufactured this year?[21:05:54] <helf|laptop> heh, yeah[21:06:01] <helf|laptop> i had money so i broke down and bought it[21:06:11] <helf|laptop> my old laptop was just not powerful enough anymore[21:06:24] <helf|laptop> (p75, 24mb ram, 350mb hdd, 802.1b wifi, 2gb cf card.. ;))[21:06:31] <HeTo> I'm sure you could have found a nice SGI or parts for your NeXT for that price :-P[21:06:43] <helf|laptop> i wanted a laptop[21:06:58] <helf|laptop> so its running ubuntu 9.04 now[21:07:00] <helf|laptop> i like it so far[21:07:09] <helf|laptop> worked almost flawlessly other than that keyboard glitch[21:07:12] <helf|laptop> which seems fixed now[21:07:23] <helf|laptop> and with ubuntu i get 4.5hours of battery life.. osx was giving me barely 3[21:07:27] <helf|laptop> havent tried windows on it[21:07:49] <helf|laptop> first new computer i have ever bought :)[21:08:12] <Teknomancer> congrats helf|laptop :)[21:08:51] <V_Machine> Oh that reminds me I have a SGI[21:08:58] <V_Machine> one of those blue toasters[21:09:04] <V_Machine> no hard drive though[21:09:53] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[21:10:13] <helf|laptop> im getting rid of most of my machines, too. keeping this laptop, the mini9, my NeXT, my gx1, my old laptop and probably one p3 desktop[21:12:10] *** Svarthandske has joined #haiku[21:12:10] *** halfhelf has quit IRC[21:12:46] <helf|laptop> speaking of P3s, anyone want to buy two matched tualatin 1.4 cpu with FC-PGA II socket adapters?[21:13:10] <pyCube> now, a pair of tuataras, yeah...[21:19:06] <helf|laptop> yay, just bought a 4 port sata 150 RAID controller for $23[21:19:08] <helf|laptop> ^_^[21:33:30] *** ulterior_modem has quit IRC[21:34:15] <Teknomancer> cu[21:36:46] * helf|laptop idly wonders if someone will put out a PCI usb3.0 controller[21:36:55] *** gr00ber has joined #haiku[21:36:56] <gr00ber> BOOO[21:38:11] <V_Machine> ok cool the remote install worked.[21:41:55] *** atomozero_ has joined #haiku[21:42:14] <MindChild> helf: so the little SCSI U320 15k rpm drives are getting harder and more expensive to come by, I broke down and bought 4x SATA-II 250GB drives. Sequential read/write max out the bus :(([21:42:31] *** atomozero_ has quit IRC[21:43:43] <helf|laptop> MindChild, on what system? :P[21:43:48] <helf|laptop> MindChild, i still need that ram ')[21:43:49] <helf|laptop> ;)[21:45:32] *** stippi has joined #haiku[21:45:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[21:48:11] <MindChild> helf: my desktop. They were $40 a piece, RETAIL at compusa. The cheapest I can get an 18GB U320 15k SCSI drive for is $25 + shipping[21:48:28] <helf|laptop> yeah, satas are dirt[21:48:37] <helf|laptop> i bought my 500gb one like 3 months ago for $55[21:52:06] *** atomozero has quit IRC[21:52:53] *** Geoz has quit IRC[21:53:29] *** gr00ber has quit IRC[21:59:02] *** MainRo has joined #haiku[22:00:07] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[22:04:34] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[22:16:05] *** Megaf has joined #Haiku[22:16:45] *** Megaf has quit IRC[22:17:56] *** stippi has quit IRC[22:19:42] *** ulterior_modem has joined #Haiku[22:20:44] * ulterior_modem materializes out of the black[22:21:22] * JonathanThompson poits ulterior_modem in greetings[22:22:31] <ulterior_modem> hai[22:22:43] <ulterior_modem> btw, <3 haiku. It is just as fast as BeOS.[22:23:12] <ulterior_modem> it still surprises me when I boot off of my SD card and haiku is all like, "ohai."[22:23:50] <helf|laptop> yeah, I'd be surprised if it talked in internet meme speak as well[22:23:59] <JonathanThompson> Just pops up as if that's the most normal thing to instantly spring from Flash RAM?[22:24:42] <JonathanThompson> With the way computers are changing, I'd wager Haiku will boot/run on more computers these days than BeOS will, unless you rob helf|laptop's closet ;)[22:24:58] <helf|laptop> heh[22:25:06] <helf|laptop> i somehow doubt haiku will run on most of my macines... :P[22:25:18] * JonathanThompson wonders what a macine is[22:25:21] <JonathanThompson> :D[22:25:24] <helf|laptop> machine[22:25:53] <BePhantom> ulterior_modem, haiku is faster than BeOS[22:26:07] <ulterior_modem> BePhantom, I'll concede that :)[22:26:07] <BePhantom> greetings helf|laptop and JonathanThompson[22:26:22] * JonathanThompson poits BePhantom in greetings[22:26:30] <ulterior_modem> It just wows me. I keep up with building haiku from source and its only getting better.[22:26:38] *** surrounder has quit IRC[22:26:47] * JonathanThompson thinks Apple needs to do better web development on their site[22:26:52] <ulterior_modem> It still just really amazes me how fast it just pops up off of my ancient SD card.[22:27:11] <JonathanThompson> ulterior_modem: that's how software development is supposed to work, over time, time scale being a variable :P[22:27:14] * BePhantom poits JonathanThompson back[22:27:16] *** surrounder has joined #haiku[22:27:22] * JonathanThompson has gotten the poit[22:27:38] * JonathanThompson notes helf|laptop is currently poitless[22:27:54] <BePhantom> ulterior_modem, haiku boots in less than 8 seconds in acer aspire one (SSD tho)[22:27:55] * JonathanThompson poits helf|laptop so he's no longer poitless, though that admittedly does nothing about him being pointless[22:28:32] <ulterior_modem> I really do love how snappy haiku is. Its so refreshing compared to windows, and even linux anymore.[22:28:35] <oxygene> I found haiku to be rather slow booting.. but then, it spews so much text to serial, no wonder it takes a while ;)[22:28:37] <helf|laptop> i have a 256mb sd card i could install haiku to for my mini 9[22:28:57] <JonathanThompson> oxygene: remember, it's nothing but a debugger build OS that's still pre-alpha :P[22:29:04] <ulterior_modem> Not even as a "its better than"[22:29:14] <ulterior_modem> Just I enjoy how snappy the UI response is.[22:29:41] <oxygene> JonathanThompson: I know. still, to beat the intel marketing machine, I'll have to resort to using linux again..[22:29:44] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, i was looking for a wallpaper that suits my desktop color scheme, would you say that this one suits it right? http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1117724/Pantallazo-2.png[22:30:05] * JonathanThompson can't speak for BePhantom's tastes[22:30:15] <BePhantom> :P[22:31:01] <JonathanThompson> Too fast for you, BePhantom :D[22:31:04] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[22:31:13] <JonathanThompson> And you couldn't afford the insurance premium :D[22:31:26] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, not fast... expensive :D[22:31:44] <JonathanThompson> Fast=expensive, one way or another :P[22:32:26] <BePhantom> there's no point in having one of those here anyway[22:32:39] <JonathanThompson> Even funnier: having one in India :D[22:32:40] <BePhantom> same with porsche or bmw[22:33:53] <BePhantom> i rather buy an average car that i know it wont cost me an arm and a leg to mantain[22:34:36] <JonathanThompson> Or even a kidney ;)[22:34:58] <helf|laptop> my van is back and better than ever[22:35:18] <helf|laptop> the transmission has been totally rebuilt and some components have been updated to the 2002 spec instead of 1991 spec :)_[22:35:31] <BePhantom> i wonder how much money i can get from my stoned kidney[22:36:03] <JonathanThompson> Probably no less than I'd get from mine, which both have had at least one stone each.[22:36:05] <BePhantom> helf|laptop, which van do you have?[22:36:12] <JonathanThompson> (Left worse than the right thus far)[22:36:15] <helf|laptop> 1991 chevy astro van[22:36:59] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, i dont have any atm but i only had in the right one[22:37:42] * BePhantom is googling for chevy astro[22:38:17] <BePhantom> helf|laptop, awesome ride[22:38:51] <helf|laptop> BePhantom, i love it :P[22:39:09] <helf|laptop> getting a new engine sometime next year with a turbo ^_^[22:39:09] <BePhantom> is it automatic or manual shift?[22:39:13] <helf|laptop> automatic[22:39:20] <helf|laptop> they didnt come with a manual option iirc[22:39:24] <helf|laptop> least not my model year[22:39:44] <helf|laptop> but its one of the best automatics ive ever driven. mine had 192k miles of hard driving on it before a bushing finally gave out[22:39:46] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[22:40:14] <BePhantom> i bet those are really easy to fix[22:40:17] <helf|laptop> when he rebuilt it, he updated part of the gearing assembly to the 2002 spec that changed the bushing out with a bearing assembly that should last longer[22:40:55] * JonathanThompson loves that Vonage calls him on his Vonage account to presumably tell him his bill needs to be paid, but at the same time, makes it impossible to retrieve voicemail that's presumably recorded to know details[22:41:44] <BePhantom> helf|laptop, what's bushing?[22:42:06] <helf|laptop> BePhantom, the first and second gear clutches were fairly worn, but other than that, the rest of the transmission looked like it was in amazingly good shape for the about of milesthat were on it. but when it went out, bits of metal chewed up the entire thing :)[22:42:37] <JonathanThompson> A 500 dollar part sacrificed itself to save the 10 cent part? :D[22:42:39] <BePhantom> ha[22:42:45] <BePhantom> how many miles does it have?[22:43:11] <helf|laptop> 192k[22:43:25] <helf|laptop> now its totally rebuilt, so hopefully ill get another 200k :P[22:44:09] <BePhantom> wow, that's a lot of miles :D[22:44:38] <helf|laptop> if you take care of your car, it should last a very long time[22:44:50] <helf|laptop> this is the first major thing ive had fail so far.[22:44:52] * JonathanThompson notes that's about the same miles his first Saturn's transmission died due to a failure of a 55 cent piece[22:44:59] <helf|laptop> JonathanThompson, yeah[22:45:08] <JonathanThompson> 193,666 miles....[22:45:16] <helf|laptop> you should have seen the worm gears[22:45:17] *** nikla has joined #haiku[22:45:29] <helf|laptop> they transmission guy couldnt believe i was able to get it into drive at all[22:46:30] <BePhantom> i can imagine, you should change the engine :D[22:46:40] *** Megaf has joined #Haiku[22:46:55] <helf|laptop> im getting a new one next year, probably[22:47:05] <helf|laptop> with a super charger[22:47:06] <helf|laptop> ^_^[22:47:33] <BePhantom> awesome :D[22:47:55] <BePhantom> you could add some nos too :)[22:47:59] <helf|laptop> heh, no :)[22:48:07] <helf|laptop> ill be happy with just the supercharger[22:48:18] <helf|laptop> ~350hp/400ftlbs .. will be fun[22:48:40] <pyCube> mm[22:48:41] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson doesnt seem to like cars very much :D[22:48:46] <pyCube> power rules[22:49:07] * JonathanThompson loves cars when they do as he wishes[22:49:28] <BePhantom> i never tried automatic gear[22:49:32] <BePhantom> only manual[22:49:42] <JonathanThompson> BePhantom: I didn't have much choice but to have that transmission rebuilt/replaced, as I was in a weird situation for employment and finances at the time.[22:50:18] <JonathanThompson> That car that had the transmission die had a small 55 cent cotter pin or something like that in the transaxle break, and act like a grenade.[22:50:39] <JonathanThompson> Manual transmission, left a hole the size of two of my fists in the bottom of the transmission casing.[22:50:50] <helf|laptop> ouch[22:51:02] <helf|laptop> my low range gears were melted[22:51:07] <JonathanThompson> I left a rather messy spill along I-65 and to the gas station where I parked it.[22:51:10] <pyCube> I *think* i have decided the route to go when my engine enters rebuild time.. while the lure of a modern suoob wrx engine is strong, i think i am just gonna rebuild my engine with some upgraded parts[22:51:23] <helf|laptop> pyCube, yeah, do that[22:51:27] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, haha[22:51:43] <helf|laptop> pyCube, my dads vw camper has that pancake porsche aircooled engine in it :)[22:51:46] <JonathanThompson> I was driving south on I-65 in Indianapolis late one summer night, heard/felt what felt like I hit something in the road, but knew the road had been clean.[22:52:08] <pyCube> helf|laptop, yeah.. type IV woot![22:52:10] <helf|laptop> ~90hp or something[22:52:17] <helf|laptop> his bus screams, lol[22:52:21] <JonathanThompson> I pulled over, felt oily something on the ground, thought perhaps it was the engine finally dying, decided based on experience I could drive it off the highway at least before it completely died.[22:52:45] <JonathanThompson> Got into better light, pulled it back and forth in the parking lot of the gas station, noticed it was getting harder to shift :D[22:53:04] *** mmadia has left #haiku[22:55:18] <helf|laptop> gotta run[22:55:19] <helf|laptop> bye all[22:55:38] <BePhantom> cya helf|laptop[22:55:43] <BePhantom> im gonna hit the shower[22:55:44] <V_Machine> cool. just discovered the debugger :)[22:56:03] <BePhantom> V_Machine ;)[22:57:23] <V_Machine> shower sounds like a good idea. need to smell sweet not sweat for the girls.[22:58:27] *** MainRo has quit IRC[22:59:47] <miqlas> Why there is no NTFS add-on for GCC4?[23:02:04] *** yoritomo has joined #haiku[23:02:21] *** yoritomo has left #haiku[23:03:48] *** miqlas has quit IRC[23:09:48] *** nikla has quit IRC[23:16:45] *** stippi has joined #haiku[23:16:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[23:19:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[23:20:02] *** addos has quit IRC[23:23:12] *** halfhelf has joined #haiku[23:23:14] <halfhelf> hi[23:24:59] *** luroh has joined #haiku[23:29:33] <pyCube> hi again[23:29:54] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[23:29:58] *** Svarthandske has quit IRC[23:30:23] <halfhelf> woops[23:31:15] *** miqlas has quit IRC[23:32:08] <pyCube> helf: heres a neat site for vw/porsche engines.. http://www.aircooledtechnology.com[23:33:23] <stpere> going back home..[23:35:18] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[23:36:50] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[23:38:13] <BePhantom> im having such a great mate :)[23:38:14] <halfhelf> kewl[23:38:52] <pyCube> i am having a nice cafe con leche, iced[23:39:01] <halfhelf> i told my dad we should get a ~200hp aircooled engine for his bus :P[23:39:27] <BePhantom> iced cafe con leche? ew[23:39:48] <BePhantom> cafe con leche is nice but iced? :P[23:39:56] <pyCube> its noce both ways[23:39:59] <pyCube> nice[23:40:16] <pyCube> i prefer it hot.. but its too hot today.. wanted a cool beverage[23:40:18] <BePhantom> never tried it iced[23:41:48] <halfhelf> pyCube, damn.. that 3ltr engine would be badass in my dads bus[23:41:54] <halfhelf> and gets 25mpg![23:42:32] <pyCube> hehe.. yeah[23:43:02] <pyCube> i am looking at aiming for 160-180 hp when i rebuild[23:43:06] <halfhelf> heh, i want one in a vw bug[23:43:14] <halfhelf> :)[23:43:30] <pyCube> a 3 liter turbo aircooled vw engine would be so beyond cool[23:43:31] <halfhelf> i cant imagine how much fun that would be[23:43:35] <halfhelf> his at 90hp is a blast[23:44:16] <pyCube> yeah.. my car is way fun @100bhp.. but i want more![23:44:18] <pyCube> hehe[23:44:29] <halfhelf> :P[23:45:09] <halfhelf> i can get the high output engine for my van + supercharger for like 2600[23:45:34] <halfhelf> add another grand for some better internal bits and 800 for installation costs..[23:45:37] <halfhelf> not bad at all, really[23:45:56] <halfhelf> rock solid pump gas engine @ 350 or so hp[23:46:07] <halfhelf> i get around 190hp right now[23:46:11] <BePhantom> anyone here in a windows machine?[23:46:52] <BePhantom> :P[23:47:29] <miqlas> Hmm... I have NForce NIC, and i get weird IP in Haiku. The normal IP is like 172.18.6.226, but i got 193.x.x.x in Haiku. I try to force to use static address, but it doenst work. (But it work in another OS). Any idea?[23:47:43] <miqlas> BePhantom: , me, in XP.[23:48:17] <halfhelf> BePhantom, im sitting next to a vista and an xp machine[23:48:34] <BePhantom> miqlas, could you do me a favour if it's not much trouble?[23:50:21] *** redblue has quit IRC[23:50:56] <miqlas> Any idea why i got crazy IP address?[23:51:56] <BePhantom> halfhelf, miqlas just helped me, thanks anyway[23:53:09] *** adamk_ has quit IRC[23:54:09] <BePhantom> miqlas, what do you mean by crazy?[23:54:14] <halfhelf> ok[23:54:55] <miqlas> Here we have DHCP, that give 172.18.x.x IPs, but i got 193.168.x.x under Haiku, then i don't have net connection.[23:55:03] <BePhantom> halfhelf, you seem to be surrounded by bill gates :D[23:55:08] <miqlas> I try to use the static adress, but it don't work.[23:55:14] <miqlas> It works on last day..[23:55:28] <halfhelf> BePhantom, i like windows xp, 2k and nt4[23:55:31] <halfhelf> vista is... ok..[23:55:33] <halfhelf> win7 is decent[23:55:40] <miqlas> Same machine, same NIC, same etc.[23:56:40] <BePhantom> halfhelf, how many boxes do you have?[23:57:15] <halfhelf> i own currently... 4 laptops, 4 towers, my NeXT and some odds and ends[23:57:19] <BePhantom> miqlas, you run haiku under vmware?[23:57:23] <halfhelf> getting rid of several towers soon, tho[23:57:38] <miqlas> No, i run it on real iron.[23:57:40] <halfhelf> my brother has the vista tower, my little sister has an xp machine and my granddad has an xp machine[23:57:49] <BePhantom> halfhelf, awesome :D[23:58:11] <halfhelf> shipping my p4 tower to a friend in london soon[23:58:13] <BePhantom> halfhelf, i wouldnt like to see your electric bill :D[23:58:20] <V_Machine> I have a bad habit of rescuing computers from garage sales as if they were orphaned puppies or something.[23:58:21] <halfhelf> i dont leave them all running[23:58:21] <halfhelf> heh[23:58:34] <halfhelf> my big laptop i use only at work since my work pc sucks so much[23:58:52] <halfhelf> and i usually only have my gx1 desktop and my next going at home. and the two together barely use 200watts[23:59:30] <pyCube> heh.. 2.9L 249BHP beetle convertable that gets 30+ mpg.. how f'ing cool is that[23:59:41] <halfhelf> nice[23:59:42] <BePhantom> halfhelf, no linux boxes there?[23:59:56] <halfhelf> my big laptop and my mini 9 and the gx1 run ubuntu