May 20, 2009 
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May 20, 2009 [00:01:40] *** naaina has quit IRC[00:02:35] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[00:03:51] *** jurre has joined #haiku[00:05:29] <CIA-20> stippi * r30805 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/installer/WorkerThread.cpp: Woha, "anyways" is not proper English! Thanks bbjimmy for noticing![00:07:28] *** jurre has left #haiku[00:09:06] *** expensivelesbian has left #haiku[00:09:38] *** Darknesss has joined #haiku[00:13:29] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[00:20:31] *** awpeter has quit IRC[00:26:33] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[00:40:22] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[00:41:12] *** Carbamide has joined #haiku[00:41:30] <Carbamide> Hello there![00:42:50] <Kokito> hola :)[00:43:12] <hdanak> i've been looking at this Shutdown font insensitivity bug (cuts off second line), seems like the problem is in the interface kit TextView class, in it not correctly calculating the TextHeight with >2 lines[00:43:22] <hdanak> can anyone refute/confirm this?[00:44:15] * Kokito has no clue[00:44:35] <hdanak> it seems to work fine when you multiply the size by 2, which would seemingly confirm the problem[00:46:48] <hdanak> actually, for just a fix for that bug, its pretty simple, but it wouldn't fix the problem[00:50:49] *** Disreali_ has quit IRC[00:57:17] *** hdanak 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IRC[03:25:58] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[03:27:57] *** umccullough_w has joined #haiku[03:29:35] *** BePhantom_ has quit IRC[03:31:35] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[03:31:36] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[03:31:40] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[03:32:00] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[03:39:11] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[03:39:16] *** Rakhun|away is now known as Rakhun[03:54:32] *** M199 has joined #haiku[04:00:26] *** BePhantom_ has joined #haiku[04:04:45] *** umccullough_w has quit IRC[04:05:13] *** Master199 has quit IRC[04:16:58] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[04:19:14] *** thotypous has quit IRC[04:19:51] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[04:20:07] <CIA-20> bonefish * r30806 /haiku/trunk/ (19 files in 7 dirs):[04:20:07] <CIA-20> * Also define the build system variables TARGET_STATIC_{LIBSTDC++,LIBSUPC++}.[04:20:07] <CIA-20> * runtime loader:[04:20:37] <DHowett> I hope it doesn't break the bootloader![04:20:39] <DHowett> ... :P[04:20:43] <DHowett> </sarcasm>[04:23:29] *** fcr__ has joined #haiku[04:25:25] *** halfhelf has joined #haiku[04:25:28] <halfhelf> hi[04:26:03] * halfhelf has some more hardware up for grabs if anyone is interested[04:27:28] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[04:27:59] *** TheNerd has joined #haiku[04:28:13] *** fcr__ is now known as fcr[04:28:50] *** Kernel86 has joined #Haiku[04:33:17] *** halfhelf has quit IRC[04:38:15] *** redblue has joined #haiku[04:47:00] *** fcr_ has quit IRC[05:06:16] *** TheNerd_WK has joined #haiku[05:08:19] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[05:12:49] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #haiku[05:16:23] *** Megaf__ is now known as MegafEee[05:17:56] *** MegafEee has left #Haiku[05:20:35] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[05:24:37] <BePhantom_> shit, i just realized i fell asleep in front of the computer :P[05:28:02] *** mmadia has quit IRC[05:29:28] *** ulterior_modem has joined #Haiku[05:29:39] *** pyCube_ has joined #haiku[05:29:57] <pyCube_> yay.. my passenger side door now opens from the outside[05:30:51] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[05:34:24] *** addos has joined #haiku[05:36:43] <BePhantom_> pyCube_ climbing through the window hazzard style ftw :)[05:37:36] <AlienSoldier> pyDuke[05:38:11] <pyCube_> heh[05:38:26] <pyCube_> nah.. i just alwasy had to open it from the inside[05:39:10] <pyCube_> unless i had the top off.. then passengers could just hop in[05:39:29] *** DHowett has left #haiku[05:40:08] <BePhantom_> oh, i wish i could hop in a car some day[05:41:00] <BePhantom_> and no, i wont even try to do it through my car sunroof :D[05:41:05] * JonathanThompson poits BePhantom_, pyCube_ and AlienSoldier because they need a good poiting[05:41:07] <pyCube_> hehe[05:41:30] <pyCube_> mine isnt a convertible. rather, a targa[05:41:56] <pyCube_> but still.. easily hop-in-able[05:42:00] <BePhantom_> thanks JonathanThompson i needed that to wake up, if fell asleep while reading an interview on haikuware :D[05:42:12] <JonathanThompson> Must have been a boring interviewee :D[05:42:22] <BePhantom_> it's ok :P[05:43:23] <BePhantom_> i was looking for places for our haiku meeting[05:43:43] <BePhantom_> i found this pub www.matiaspub.com.ar[05:43:45] <BePhantom_> seems nice[05:49:32] * JonathanThompson doesn't think he'll ever go there[05:50:12] <pyCube_> i like a good irish pub/restaurant[05:50:31] <AlienSoldier> i can't go, it require flash :P[05:51:50] *** Skar1 has joined #haiku[05:55:07] <BePhantom_> AlienSoldier, hehe[05:55:17] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[05:55:40] <BePhantom_> JonathanThompson, why? they sell soft drinks, coffee, tea, etc[05:55:52] <BePhantom_> prolly water too :)[05:55:52] <pyCube_> hehe[05:56:05] <JonathanThompson> Probably because I doubt I'll ever travel to that city ;)[05:56:13] <BePhantom_> :D[05:56:16] <pyCube_> caffeinated water even[05:57:34] <pyCube_> and it comes in gourds with a metal straw[05:57:37] <BePhantom_> irish screw, sounds nice never tried it[05:58:15] <pyCube_> i hear everythign in Argentina comes in a gourd with metal straw[06:00:17] <AlienSoldier> even the gourd and the straw itself, should make for a complex fractal drink[06:02:00] <pyCube_> too bad argentina isnt shaped like a gourd w/straw[06:02:09] * JonathanThompson wonders if the gourds come with a label, "Fractals Inside" complete with a fractal musical measure of notes[06:02:34] <JonathanThompson> Yeah, that was a weird visual, eh?[06:02:48] <pyCube_> man.. nobody at work liked my pun about getting a refill of tea[06:03:03] <pyCube_> to be more-tea-fied[06:03:31] <BePhantom_> **insects chirping**[06:03:31] <pyCube_> its been one of my favs since i was like 10 years old or so[06:04:04] <pyCube_> i guess you have to have an appreciation for stupid word play..[06:04:10] * JonathanThompson stomps the crickets[06:04:11] <pyCube_> the stupider the better, imo[06:04:31] <JonathanThompson> Terrorist Plot: Abomination![06:04:41] <JonathanThompson> Like that? ;)[06:06:04] *** Megaf_ has joined #Haiku[06:06:14] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[06:06:28] <pyCube_> sure[06:06:30] <pyCube_> hehe[06:07:12] <pyCube_> i also like when you can get very distant, yet connected with a word play[06:07:31] <JonathanThompson> Like this one: acting bug: drama tic![06:07:41] <pyCube_> like mayonnaise theodore[06:07:57] * JonathanThompson doesn't get that one...[06:08:02] <pyCube_> tired[06:08:14] <JonathanThompson> Must be referencing something I'm not familiar with the cultural reference, somehow...[06:08:23] <pyCube_> egg sauce ted[06:09:27] <pyCube_> its just an absurd stretch.. hehe[06:09:34] <pyCube_> all the more reason to like it[06:10:27] <JonathanThompson> The sort of thing that makes perfect sense when you're wasted, whatever the wasting power in question :)[06:12:23] <pyCube_> heh.. i supposde[06:13:02] * JonathanThompson goes off to .... <unknown activity>[06:14:57] <BePhantom_> JonathanThompson, flush[06:21:08] * BePhantom_ is watching the karate kid![06:21:44] <pyCube_> hehe[06:22:19] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[06:22:27] <BePhantom_> really awesome movie :)[06:22:52] <BePhantom_> there's going to be a remake[06:23:16] <stpere_> let me guess, yoda as mr miagi?[06:23:39] <BePhantom_> jackie chan i think :P[06:24:02] <pyCube_> a remake of a movie like that can only be crap[06:24:18] <stpere_> it's good because it's old and a classic[06:24:20] <stpere_> :P[06:24:42] <BePhantom_> stpere_, oh so much true :)[06:24:47] <stpere_> even in 80's it was old[06:25:06] <BePhantom_> it looks seventish :D[06:28:53] *** trolldwarf is now known as dwarfyperson[06:30:38] <BePhantom_> Elisabeth Shue is so young :D[06:30:57] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[06:34:41] <AlienSoldier> watch this, every movie serie will get a reboot now, be prepared to see back to the future reboot :([06:35:50] <BePhantom_> no, not back to the future, i wont let it! :P[06:37:44] <stpere_> night[06:37:59] <BePhantom_> night stpere_[06:38:04] <BePhantom_> AlienSoldier, how do you know?[06:38:38] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[06:39:46] <AlienSoldier> BePhantom_because i met clint eastwood the other day at the pool and he said to me he will direct it :P[06:40:20] <BePhantom_> :D[06:41:17] <pyCube_> my kids and i just watched the back to the future movies on sunday[06:41:50] <BePhantom_> if there's a remake (i hope not!) robert zemekis is the only one who can direct it[06:42:05] <pyCube_> he's my boss[06:42:41] <BePhantom_> really?[06:42:47] <pyCube_> yeah[06:43:00] <BePhantom_> you kidding[06:43:01] <BePhantom_> :D[06:43:01] <pyCube_> well. a couple levels of boss up, but yeah[06:43:06] <pyCube_> no[06:43:23] <pyCube_> i work for his company[06:45:10] <pyCube_> we're finishing this up atm.. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1067106/[06:45:16] <BePhantom_> a production company? or what?[06:45:39] <pyCube_> i work here http://www.imagemoversdigital.com/[06:46:53] <BePhantom_> are you a 3d animator?[06:47:38] <pyCube_> no[06:48:36] <pyCube_> i work in the production engineering dept.. a write tools and libraries and such[06:48:47] <BePhantom_> if you ever see him tell him BTTF it's great, i loved it! :D huge fan here ;)[06:48:54] <pyCube_> hehe[06:49:24] <pyCube_> definitely classic film[06:50:31] <BePhantom_> yup, i never get tired of watching it[06:50:58] <BePhantom_> i bought the ultimate edition, 4 DVDs, and I have the car too :D[06:52:10] <umccullough> i have the dvd trilogy set[06:52:21] <umccullough> what does the 4th dvd have?[06:52:33] <BePhantom_> tons of extras[06:52:52] <umccullough> hang on, let me find a link to a song you might like[06:53:09] <BePhantom_> plus all three movies have DTS soundtrack[06:54:56] <BePhantom_> here's a review of the boxset http://www.bbc.co.uk/films/2005/11/02/back_to_the_future_triliogy_dvd_review.shtml[06:55:09] <umccullough> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcW8Y3gcNZo[06:55:21] <umccullough> i have that album in MP3[06:56:57] <BePhantom_> ha, pretty creative[06:58:14] <BePhantom_> umccullough, check out the link i pasted[06:58:28] <umccullough> gimme a minute, i had an "emergency"[06:58:35] <BePhantom_> ok :)[06:59:57] <BePhantom_> pyCube_, i wish a christmas carol was a live action film but well, i hope it's good anyway[07:00:10] <umccullough> aw that youtube vid clips out some good parts[07:00:14] <pyCube_> it is live action[07:00:16] <umccullough> find the original[07:00:34] <BePhantom_> pyCube_ it's computer animated[07:00:39] <pyCube_> just capture action applied to 3d objects.. heh[07:00:52] <pyCube_> it not really animated[07:00:55] <BePhantom_> :P[07:01:02] *** Hugen_ has joined #haiku[07:01:06] <Hugen_> hi[07:01:51] <pyCube_> motion capture has a lot really really amazing potential[07:02:22] <umccullough> BePhantom_, this looks like the full version: http://www.last.fm/music/Futuristic+Sex+Robotz/_/Back+To+The+Future[07:02:32] <pyCube_> it really changes a lot, its just a matter of time for people to figure out how to use it well[07:03:29] *** Hugen_ is now known as Jack2[07:03:57] *** Jack2 is now known as Hugen[07:04:53] <BePhantom_> im not very fond of ultra realistic 3d animation like final fantasy, beowulf, etc[07:06:54] <pyCube_> well, quality will only get better.. its what motion capture allows you to do that is so amazing[07:07:09] <BePhantom_> because no matter how you try you'll always know its computer generated, i like cartoony kind of animation[07:07:23] <pyCube_> editing isnt linear assembling of 'hard coded' camera angles and whatnot[07:08:13] <pyCube_> you just have all this data that you can reassmble in just about any way you want[07:08:50] <pyCube_> and the actors dont have to act to a camera.. they can just act[07:09:30] <pyCube_> the whole camera/shot layout thing is a completely separate process from the performance..[07:09:49] <pyCube_> so they dont step on/limit each other[07:10:00] <pyCube_> very cool when you start thinking about all the possibilites[07:14:08] <BePhantom_> pyCube_ do you have like private screenings?[07:15:02] <pyCube_> yeah.. we have a brand new 3d theater at work .. just opened last week..[07:15:12] *** paul0 has quit IRC[07:15:14] <pyCube_> we all got to go see the trailer they demo'd at Cannes[07:15:15] <BePhantom_> cool![07:15:51] <BePhantom_> trailers only? or pre released movies too?[07:15:57] <pyCube_> there are some incredibly cool rooms at work.. hehe[07:15:59] <pyCube_> sur[07:16:11] <pyCube_> they'll use that theater for all kinds of things now[07:16:46] <BePhantom_> awesome :) you must have a pretty good theater there :)[07:17:10] <pyCube_> its nice.. a littel small.. but very new and high tech fancy[07:17:48] <BePhantom_> RealD or Dolby 3D system?[07:19:04] <pyCube_> ya know.. not sure what they used in the main theater[07:19:15] <BePhantom_> oh ok :)[07:19:58] <Skar1> BePhantom[07:20:01] <Skar1> hi[07:20:11] <BePhantom_> i have an imax theater close to my home, i may go and watch it there[07:20:27] <BePhantom_> a christmas carol i mean[07:20:31] <BePhantom_> Skar1, hi[07:20:33] <pyCube_> cool.. hehe[07:20:43] <Skar1> i am starting the haiku....and now to install tiltos on it[07:20:44] <pyCube_> it should look pretty good in imax[07:20:58] <BePhantom_> pyCube_ imax rulz :)[07:22:07] <BePhantom_> Skar1, tiltos? what's that?[07:22:27] <Hugen> tiltos/.com/drupal/[07:22:33] <Hugen> tiltos.com/drupal/[07:22:52] <Skar1> BePhantom tiltos is a distribution of package comiled for haiku[07:23:09] <Skar1> throw a software, "box"[07:23:10] <BePhantom_> mm another distro already? :P[07:23:31] <Skar1> like the apt get[07:23:33] <Hugen> ropsitory[07:23:46] <Skar1> thats rigth a repository[07:23:59] <Skar1> 8-)[07:24:36] <BePhantom_> so you install apps using the terminal?[07:24:41] <Skar1> yes[07:24:47] <BePhantom_> gee :P[07:24:54] <Skar1> jaj[07:25:26] <Skar1> for now, i supose that come later with a interface more useful[07:25:44] <BePhantom_> it's going to turn haiku in another linux :P[07:26:07] <Skar1> nop i dont believe it[07:26:21] <Skar1> is just a repo manager for haiku[07:27:10] <Skar1> and is it a distribuition of haiku...haiku is haiku tiltos is not haiku[07:27:37] <Skar1> or i am wrogn?[07:27:46] <pyCube_> we are not fugazi[07:27:52] <Hugen> BePhantom: You no longer have to search a library needed for Haiku[07:28:22] *** Disreali has quit IRC[07:28:43] <Hugen> everything is in one place[07:29:02] <BePhantom_> Hugen, will haiku have dependency issues?[07:29:12] <pyCube_> if people use it[07:29:18] <Skar1> i wish not[07:31:01] <Skar1> then the system should offer all ways for have own programation and not a simply package of ports[07:31:04] <Skar1> is truth?[07:35:48] <Hugen> BePhatom: heh, this is only road for apps o.e. Gimp etc.: - GTK ant his issues, today's world[07:36:41] <BePhantom_> this is like a very bad dream :D[07:37:10] <BePhantom_> gtk in haiku, oh my :P[07:38:34] <Hugen> ...or qt, in future - who knows?[07:40:14] <Skar1> :S[07:40:18] <Skar1> noooo[07:40:36] <Skar1> gtk no[07:42:33] *** The_Ringmaster has joined #haiku[07:43:02] <Hugen> he he[07:43:23] <BePhantom_> that day will be the begining of the end of haiku responsiveness and low resource usage[07:46:06] <Hugen> Frist Haiku must be responsiveness[07:47:14] <Hugen> and much faster than today[07:47:15] *** The_Ringmaster has left #haiku[07:47:49] <Hugen> then we can worry about gtk[07:47:52] <Hugen> ;)[08:02:50] *** expensivelesbian has joined #haiku[08:05:55] *** Advant- has joined #Haiku[08:05:56] *** Advant has quit IRC[08:13:28] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[08:13:36] *** Darknesss has joined #haiku[08:22:07] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[08:31:24] <BePhantom_> daniel san is about to kick some cobra kai ass[08:38:44] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[08:39:16] *** SprMa has left #haiku[08:39:32] <Skar1> listen something about kylin?[08:39:39] <Skar1> is the new os from china[08:39:51] <BePhantom_> do the crane the crane[08:39:57] <BePhantom_> pow! right in the face[08:40:04] <BePhantom_> awesome movie![08:42:09] <geist> aww yeah[08:42:18] <geist> dem cobra kai think they're tough shit[08:43:01] <BePhantom_> barney stinson from how i met your mother was rooting for the blond dude haha[08:43:02] *** Malmis has quit IRC[08:43:12] <geist> johnny got some learnin to do[08:43:16] <pyCube_> when i see cobra, i think destro[08:43:54] <BePhantom_> destro?[08:44:03] <geist> aww yeah, destro[08:44:13] <BePhantom_> who or what is destro?[08:44:18] <geist> laird james mcullen destro XXIV[08:44:31] <BePhantom_> doesnt ring a bell[08:44:44] <pyCube_> http://www.yojoe.com/action/83/83card/destro.jpg[08:44:45] <geist> he's the silver headed bald guy from GI JOE[08:44:48] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[08:45:12] <BePhantom_> ah, yes :)[08:46:05] <BePhantom_> now i have to rent karate kid 2 :)[08:48:31] * Hugen pings umccullough[08:52:51] *** wackymacs has joined #haiku[08:53:39] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[08:56:56] <Hugen> umccullough: http://seventeenorbust.com/stats/byOS.mhtml[08:57:11] <Hugen> umccullough: when Haiku?[08:59:05] * Hugen is idle: BRB[09:03:10] *** Darknesss has quit IRC[09:05:06] *** Megaf_ has quit IRC[09:05:19] <Skar1> in this video i appear speaking about haiku[09:05:24] <Skar1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MmJrlQDO4M[09:06:26] <Skar1> 1:30 m[09:06:48] <BePhantom_> i wish i could buy an original copy of the twilight zone original series[09:07:01] <BePhantom_> it's impossible to find here :([09:07:03] <geist> Skar1: that guy is all speakin in gibberish[09:07:11] <geist> what's the deal?[09:07:21] <geist> whoa, they all are[09:07:40] <Skar1> gibberish?[09:08:03] * BePhantom_ is checking the video[09:08:46] <geist> yeah, it's some strange tongue[09:08:54] <geist> a weird alien moon language[09:09:03] <geist> that or they're all just stoned[09:09:19] <geist> oh, i know. they're probably a bunch of star trek nerds[09:09:22] <geist> it's klingon[09:09:29] <geist> sheesh, those guys should get a life[09:09:30] <Skar1> jwj[09:09:44] <fcr> geist: lol?[09:10:20] <BePhantom_> geist, it sounds like klingon to me[09:10:20] <geist> el oh el[09:10:22] <BePhantom_> :)[09:10:24] <geist> BePhantom_: yeah[09:10:26] <Skar1> yeah[09:11:14] * geist goes to sleep[09:11:26] <BePhantom_> Skar1, you Carlos?[09:11:32] <Skar1> carlos[09:11:36] <BePhantom_> ;)[09:12:14] <BePhantom_> cool video :)[09:12:23] <Skar1> jej thanks[09:12:42] <Skar1> can see a screen from a laptop with haiku working ;)[09:12:57] <BePhantom_> Skar1, altought it's not that well explained[09:12:59] <BePhantom_> :D[09:13:10] <Skar1> i know[09:13:12] <BePhantom_> i mean what haiku is and its features[09:13:12] <Skar1> :S[09:13:22] <Skar1> a little[09:13:34] <Skar1> correct[09:14:52] <Skar1> :s[09:14:55] <Skar1> soory[09:17:52] *** _-Caleb-_ has joined #haiku[09:22:21] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[09:22:26] <BePhantom_> it needs some english subtitles :)[09:22:41] <Skar1> jum[09:26:50] *** oxocoffee has joined #haiku[09:27:17] <expensivelesbian> whoa, there's a Klingon locale now? I didn't see that in the GSOC brief...[09:27:29] <Advant-> sophos added it[09:27:32] <Advant-> in AV[09:28:47] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[09:29:39] <BePhantom_> expensivelesbian, sure, haiku will be accesible for the whole galaxy and nearby star systems[09:29:46] *** SprMa has left #haiku[09:30:19] <Advant-> if you live in fantasy land[09:30:33] <BePhantom_> i do[09:31:41] <BePhantom_> i live in the world of Fantasia and i have a horse called Atreyu[09:32:20] <BePhantom_> wait, was the horse name atreyu?[09:32:22] <BePhantom_> :P[09:32:42] <BePhantom_> anyway... :P[09:39:28] *** M199 is now known as Master199[09:39:50] <BePhantom_> Artax, that's it :)[09:40:06] <BePhantom_> *tex[09:42:22] *** mattlacey_ has joined #haiku[09:42:40] <Hugen> bbl[09:42:50] *** Hugen has quit IRC[09:45:27] *** oxocoffee has quit IRC[09:47:56] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[09:50:05] *** Hugen_ has joined #haiku[09:50:07] <Hugen_> re[09:51:58] <expensivelesbian> hi, I've dd'ed an image to a spare, 16GB partition, but the OS itself is only using the 400MB of the image. How can I expand this to use the full 16GB?[09:52:17] <fcr> expensivelesbian: ie: building haiku from the source code[09:52:26] <MrSunshine__> expensivelesbian, cant do it if you do not have access to the code or make another partition, boot your haiku, initialize it and copyh over the OS to it[09:52:54] <MrSunshine__> building from source you change the image name to say /dev/sda<whatever> and let the install script do the rest =)[09:53:38] <expensivelesbian> ah right, thanks both[09:53:56] <expensivelesbian> so, I'd have to make a 16gb image, or some such thing?[09:55:17] <MrSunshine__> could do that also :)[09:55:41] <MrSunshine__> expensivelesbian, but in the scripts, you can change the haiku image name to sda<whatever>, image dir to /dev and just do a jam haiku-image[09:55:55] <MrSunshine__> and i think remove the haiku-image size variable[09:56:02] <MrSunshine__> and it will install itself on the full 16gb[09:56:15] <MrSunshine__> tho everytime you run it your haiku will be overwritten and data stored on the partition lost![09:56:59] *** Skar1 has left #haiku[09:57:07] <MrSunshine__> i have two partitions, one install partition and one run partition, i build an image, boot the install partition, mount the run partition and the linux paritition, mount the image, and copy over the system directories to the run partition[09:57:17] <MrSunshine__> to not overwrite my data on the run partition :)[10:01:44] *** mattlacey_ has quit IRC[10:02:28] *** m0de2 has joined #haiku[10:03:12] <m0de2> quite a bit of ppl in here. Thats a good sign[10:03:44] <MrSunshine__> you didnt think there would be? :)[10:03:48] <MrSunshine__> haiku rules =)[10:05:39] <m0de2> Haven't seen this many ppl, ever.[10:06:03] <m0de2> But then again, it has been a while[10:07:13] *** aljen has quit IRC[10:12:53] *** m0de2 has quit IRC[10:14:58] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[10:23:33] *** redblue has quit IRC[10:24:23] *** BePhantom_ has quit IRC[10:24:30] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[10:32:43] *** mattlacey_ has joined #haiku[10:34:55] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[10:38:29] *** Hugen_ has quit IRC[10:38:34] *** miqlas has quit IRC[10:39:49] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[10:41:06] *** stippi has joined #haiku[10:41:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[10:42:52] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[10:50:19] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[10:50:35] <BePhantom> haiku finally boots :)[10:50:51] <BePhantom> slower than i remember but boots :)[10:51:18] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[10:52:21] <gordonjcp> BePhantom: what are you booting on?[10:52:51] *** Hubert1 has joined #haiku[10:53:06] <BePhantom> gordonjcp, Hewlett Packard 530 laptop[10:53:26] <Hubert1> re[10:54:21] <BePhantom> someone should fix "low energie" in the stepping app[10:54:51] <BePhantom> energie doesn't seem proper english :)[10:58:57] *** mattlacey_ has quit IRC[11:00:04] <gordonjcp> BePhantom: it goes like a stabbed rat on my R50e[11:00:28] <gordonjcp> from grub to desktop in about 8 seconds[11:01:09] <BePhantom> i booted from usb thumb tho, last time i tried was much faster tho[11:02:14] <BePhantom> 8 seconds is pretty fast :) is that a SSD HD drive?[11:02:23] <gordonjcp> no, an ordinary drive[11:02:31] <gordonjcp> booting from USB will probably be pretty slow[11:04:45] <BePhantom> im not yet ready for disk partitioning[11:05:46] <BePhantom> plus wifi wont work, same goes with my touchpad and sound[11:05:46] <gordonjcp> I usually partition with a couple of "spare" GB left that I can split[11:06:58] *** Master199 has quit IRC[11:07:14] *** stippi has quit IRC[11:07:26] <gordonjcp> usually I try to do about 4Gb for /, a Gb or two for swap and the rest as /home with a couple of Gb slack at the end[11:07:34] <BePhantom> booting time was slow but the system was pretty responsive[11:07:36] <gordonjcp> yeah, wifi is annoying (or the lack of)[11:16:22] *** mattlacey_ has joined #haiku[11:18:30] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[11:26:56] *** mattlacey_ has quit IRC[12:01:40] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[12:08:11] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[12:16:00] *** _-Caleb-_ has quit IRC[12:19:59] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[12:21:40] *** rennj has quit IRC[12:26:42] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[12:33:11] *** rennj has joined #haiku[12:38:47] *** TheNerd_WK is now known as TheNerd[12:42:29] *** xcasexwrka has joined #haiku[12:42:55] *** Monni has left #Haiku[12:55:08] *** Hubert1 has quit IRC[13:02:54] *** knottnhupfer has quit IRC[13:07:00] *** Elledan has joined #haiku[13:09:07] *** andrevs has quit IRC[13:09:07] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[13:09:07] *** SiCuTDeUx_ has quit IRC[13:09:07] *** Mazon has quit IRC[13:09:08] *** ln- has quit IRC[13:09:41] *** [Katisu] has joined #haiku[13:09:41] *** SiCuTDeUx_ has joined #haiku[13:09:41] *** andrevs has joined #haiku[13:09:41] *** Mazon has joined #haiku[13:09:41] *** ln- has joined #haiku[13:12:47] *** mattlacey_ has joined #haiku[13:12:58] *** hackkitten has quit IRC[13:13:51] *** andrevs has quit IRC[13:13:52] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[13:13:52] *** ln- has quit IRC[13:13:52] *** SiCuTDeUx_ has quit IRC[13:13:52] *** Mazon has quit IRC[13:15:58] *** [Katisu] has joined #haiku[13:15:58] *** SiCuTDeUx_ has joined #haiku[13:15:58] *** andrevs has joined #haiku[13:15:58] *** Mazon has joined #haiku[13:15:58] *** ln- has joined #haiku[13:18:14] *** adamk_ has joined #haiku[13:20:09] <adamk_> Anyone know what version of mkisofs is needed to build haiku-cd ? I have 1.10, I think, and it doesn't support the -U option that the build uses.[13:20:27] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[13:21:41] *** Carbamide has quit IRC[13:21:46] *** salvatore_ has joined #haiku[13:29:55] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[13:33:27] *** Verdant_Machine has joined #haiku[13:35:52] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[13:35:53] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[13:37:00] *** SiCuTDeUx__ has joined #haiku[13:40:50] *** salvatore_ has quit IRC[13:41:48] *** wackymacs has left #haiku[13:48:30] *** adamk_ is now known as Guest61942[13:49:00] *** Guest61942 has quit IRC[13:49:28] *** adamk_ has joined #haiku[13:58:27] *** Malmis has joined #Haiku[14:09:30] *** _-Caleb-_ has joined #haiku[14:09:31] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[14:12:15] *** mattlacey_ has quit IRC[14:15:36] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[14:20:32] *** lorenzo64 has joined #haiku[14:22:13] *** ulterior_modem has quit IRC[14:24:45] *** smooki has joined #haiku[14:24:49] <smooki> hello bros.[14:25:08] <stpere_> hi smooki[14:25:21] <smooki> what would be the best virtual machine software to test haiku (and others beos related os) ?[14:25:34] <adamk_> It works quite well with qemu.[14:25:34] <stpere_> you remind me when I saw a special dish on a menu : "smooke meet"[14:25:47] <adamk_> I'm pretty sure I've used it on VirtualBox, too.[14:26:02] <stpere_> vmplayer is what I use[14:26:17] <stpere_> but qemu is free as in speech :)[14:26:31] <smooki> qemut hen :)[14:26:37] <andguent> smooki: it works fine on virtualbox[14:26:41] <gordonjcp> qemu works well for me, bit slow maybe[14:26:46] <smooki> stpere_ : smooke meet ? :D[14:27:30] <smooki> well I still got my beos CDs :D[14:27:48] <smooki> there is the deved boes distro as well[14:28:14] <smooki> virtualbox is free as well no ?[14:28:39] <stpere_> smooki: yeah, it seems he didn't speak/write english for shit :)[14:28:52] <stpere_> he simply meant smoke meat[14:29:16] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[14:33:46] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[14:35:11] *** ulterior_modem has joined #Haiku[14:36:52] <Hodapp> smooki: it's easy to get a free-as-in-speech version of vbox[14:37:27] <Hodapp> But the default version, if I recall, includes a couple binary drivers (I don't remember which) and is thus nonfree-as-in-speech[14:37:50] *** Elledan is now known as hackkitten[14:41:01] <smooki> ok[14:44:18] *** adamk_ has quit IRC[14:46:24] <smooki> hey, does haiku use the bios table for disk detection or it can use hot plug ?[14:48:06] *** Verdant_Machine has left #haiku[14:48:27] <HeTo> the non-free version (which is still free-of-cost for home use) includes USB pass through and RDP server which are missing from the OSE[14:49:23] <smooki> no I mean on real hardware, could haiku use hotplug for sata ie ?[14:49:53] <HeTo> but virtualbox seems to be a game of luck with Haiku, it works more probably if you have hardware virtualisation support[14:50:16] <smooki> I got it[14:50:26] <smooki> but someone knows for sata hotplug ?[14:50:34] *** lorenzo64 has quit IRC[14:52:56] *** awpeter has joined #haiku[14:57:18] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[14:57:55] *** _-Caleb-_ has quit IRC[14:57:55] *** adamk_ has joined #haiku[15:06:12] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[15:07:14] *** lorenzo64 has joined #haiku[15:13:00] *** Hugen has joined #haiku[15:13:03] <Hugen> hey[15:13:30] *** Hugen is now known as Hugen_[15:14:02] <smooki> hey hey heyyyy[15:19:00] <hackkitten> yo[15:19:50] *** MindChild has joined #haiku[15:20:27] *** addos has quit IRC[15:30:59] *** nibble has quit IRC[15:33:47] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[15:42:18] <HeTo> I wonder if haiqu will state next that each developer should have a variety of hardware on which to test Haiku, and make sure everything works on all of them before committing anything[15:51:52] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[15:54:49] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[15:57:11] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[15:59:05] *** Negr0 has joined #haiku[16:08:14] <stpere_> heh[16:08:24] <stpere_> on a stable release, I could agree, HeTo[16:08:51] <stpere_> but you have to expect somethings to break from time to time on a pre-alpha software[16:11:09] * mmadia refrains from becoming venomous[16:11:35] <stpere_> mmadia: why? :)[16:11:48] <mmadia> i'm too sick to waste the energy.[16:12:03] <mmadia> my eyeball started swelling yesterday.[16:12:07] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[16:12:26] <stpere_> fingers in your eye?[16:13:48] <Anarchos> how to install php on haiku ?[16:13:55] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[16:14:59] *** lorenzo64 has quit IRC[16:15:55] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[16:17:35] <mmadia> stpere_ : no idea... at one point yesterday i literally had to pull this stretchy mucus off my eyeball.[16:18:01] <mmadia> that's when the tissue surrounding it and the eyeball itself started swelling.[16:18:26] <stpere_> eww[16:18:30] *** gr00ber has joined #haiku[16:18:32] <gr00ber> booo![16:18:37] <stpere_> consulted a specialist?[16:18:44] <mmadia> went to ER[16:19:04] <gordonjcp> mmadia: yuck[16:19:12] <gordonjcp> some sort of eye infection?[16:19:13] <gr00ber> eyeball->pop();[16:19:21] <mmadia> they said i've some uncommon type of pneumonia and got so sick, my eyeball became an exit path.[16:19:28] <stpere_> ouch[16:20:26] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[16:23:21] <hackkitten> :([16:23:47] <gr00ber> mmadia, can you post pictures of your eyeballs?[16:23:48] <hackkitten> hope you'll get well soon, mmadia :)[16:23:52] *** fcr_ has joined #haiku[16:23:56] <gr00ber> i need a good laugh, dude[16:24:01] <mmadia> thanks hackkitten[16:24:28] <hackkitten> :)[16:24:33] * hackkitten stares at gr00ber >.>[16:24:43] <gr00ber> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p485G5OCJVg[16:24:48] <gr00ber> ^ dude, you already posted a vid[16:24:52] * hackkitten punches gr00ber in the face ^-^[16:24:55] <hackkitten> now laugh~[16:25:21] <stpere_> gr00ber: you know what's funny? your face[16:25:27] <gr00ber> i know[16:25:30] <gr00ber> it's hilarious[16:25:32] <stpere_> or was it your ass from the photo, hard to tell[16:25:39] <gr00ber> it was the face[16:25:50] <gr00ber> my ass is pretty though[16:25:53] * gr00ber bends over[16:26:15] * hackkitten kicks gr00ber into a shark-infested pool[16:26:23] <hackkitten> ^-^[16:26:23] * gr00ber eats'em all[16:26:24] *** petterhj has quit IRC[16:27:24] <gordonjcp> you don't want to do that[16:27:31] <gordonjcp> shark tastes like crap[16:27:48] <gr00ber> no worries, i have a bucket of chilli[16:28:13] *** _-Caleb-_ has joined #haiku[16:28:17] * hackkitten gnaws on gr00ber's leg~[16:28:29] * hackkitten runs off with half of gr00ber's leg >:3~[16:28:39] * gr00ber grows another half[16:28:53] * gr00ber is disgruntled over the lack of toes[16:28:54] * hackkitten discovers an endless source of food[16:28:56] <hackkitten> :3[16:29:12] * hackkitten invites over all of her friends for a dinner party~[16:29:17] <gr00ber> the stuff a bit further up tastes better[16:29:27] * gr00ber hopes to get lucky[16:29:27] * hackkitten chomps down on gr00ber's chest[16:29:30] <hackkitten> you're right :3[16:29:36] <gr00ber> not that far, dude[16:29:46] <gr00ber> ahh, right there, baby, yeah yeah[16:29:54] * hackkitten watches a bear maul gr00ber's groin area[16:29:56] * hackkitten shrugs[16:30:04] * gr00ber lights up a cig'[16:30:11] <hackkitten> masochist, huh?[16:30:55] <gr00ber> "pseudo-masochist" :)[16:35:51] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[16:36:02] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #haiku[16:38:24] *** olta has joined #haiku[16:39:29] <HeTo> ~[5~/sbe[16:41:14] <HeTo> weird, sometimes when the wlan or Internet are acting up, some escape character gets lost or irssi gets tired of waiting for it, and instead interprets the page up keys literally as text[16:42:45] *** fcr has quit IRC[16:44:29] *** paul0 has quit IRC[16:45:20] <gordonjcp> HeTo: I've had that[16:46:20] *** luroh has joined #haiku[16:47:52] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[16:48:20] *** Hugen_ has quit IRC[16:49:17] <Teknomancer> hmm[16:53:11] *** Megaf has joined #Haiku[16:56:47] *** adamk_ has quit IRC[17:01:21] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[17:14:25] *** _-Caleb-_ has quit IRC[17:17:24] *** mmu_laptop has joined #haiku[17:17:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_laptop[17:21:53] *** mmu_laptop has quit IRC[17:22:07] *** mmu_laptop has joined #haiku[17:22:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_laptop[17:24:29] *** tqh has joined #haiku[17:24:40] *** ulterior_modem_ has joined #Haiku[17:25:22] *** awpeter has quit IRC[17:26:44] *** Megaf has quit IRC[17:26:47] *** Verdant_Machine has joined #haiku[17:27:12] *** Megaf has joined #Haiku[17:28:43] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[17:29:28] *** ulterior_modem has quit IRC[17:29:33] *** gr00ber is now known as grOOber[17:30:07] *** grOOber is now known as gr00ver[17:32:42] <Verdant_Machine> cool beans. Haiku is fast even on qemu[17:33:15] <gr00ver> wait[17:33:22] <gr00ver> this channel is not about poems?!?[17:34:10] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[17:34:28] <Verdant_Machine> hehehe no[17:34:35] <gr00ver> hatsu shigure saru mo komino wo hoshige nari![17:35:19] <Verdant_Machine> hehe all I know is the particles of Japanese so far, sorry[17:35:57] <gr00ver> wa ga o ga ga![17:35:58] <gr00ver> wa ga o ga ga![17:37:33] *** koo5 has quit IRC[17:41:15] <Verdant_Machine> hmmm were can I find a list of supported hardware. Just NIC in particular. I have a few live machines I wish to start testing on.[17:41:45] <mmadia> we really don't have an HCL[17:42:06] <Verdant_Machine> ok thanks, save me time looking for something that isn't there :)[17:44:47] *** gr00ver is now known as gr00ber[17:46:44] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[17:50:16] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[17:51:41] <Verdant_Machine> the first cold shower. even the monkey seems to want, a little coat of straw[17:53:37] <gr00ber> bingo[17:53:45] <gr00ber> awesome googling[17:53:54] <Verdant_Machine> nope[17:54:03] <Verdant_Machine> wikipedia[17:54:39] <gr00ber> and i bet you googled to get there[17:54:58] <Verdant_Machine> I don't use google[17:55:03] <gr00ber> if you say so[17:55:26] <Verdant_Machine> I know so[18:00:12] <Verdant_Machine> The MIT License is short and sweet[18:06:21] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[18:13:48] *** mmu_laptop has quit IRC[18:23:27] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[18:36:23] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[18:38:24] *** koo5 has joined #haiku[18:40:28] <pyCube> so whats wrong with multiple inheritence?[18:40:38] *** paul0 has quit IRC[18:40:50] *** tqh has quit IRC[18:41:03] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[18:43:44] <smooki> so virtuabox or vmware for virtualize haiku with cpu-vm enabled dudes :D ?[18:45:40] <Verdant_Machine> The virtual extensions in the cpu just improve performance if the emulator uses them, you don't have to have them to emulate a machine.[18:45:46] <luroh> smooki: it should work even if your cpu doesn't have virt extensions[18:46:25] <Verdant_Machine> Does Haiku make use of SMP?[18:46:51] <smooki> Verdant_Machine : sure[18:46:59] <Verdant_Machine> cool beans![18:47:08] <luroh> yes, although not very well yet[18:47:35] <HeTo> well at least as well as BeOS, right?[18:47:37] <Verdant_Machine> well, you guys have gcc4 working on haiku yes?[18:47:38] <smooki> ya I know, but witch is the best to virtualize haiku USING cpuVM ? :D[18:48:18] <HeTo> and there's how well the kernel supports SMP, and how well the userland supports it[18:49:03] <mmadia> Verdant_Machine , for x86 gcc2 and gcc4 builds are available.[18:49:03] <mmadia> for non-x86 platforms, gcc4 is the default.[18:49:12] <HeTo> I'd say Haiku/BeOS apps have the best support for SMP amongst GUI apps[18:49:35] <Verdant_Machine> mmadia: thanks[18:49:42] * Disreali is away: I'm not really here[18:51:21] <Verdant_Machine> I might move my linux system to my backup box for services and apps haiku doesn't have a app for yet and use haiku on my main machine for testing and basic desktop stuff. It seems to have all the basics.[18:51:47] <Verdant_Machine> will know soon if this svn download ever finishes LOL[18:53:35] *** lorglas has quit IRC[18:54:38] *** awpeter has joined #haiku[18:56:10] <gordonjcp> Verdant_Machine: Firefox 2 will piss you off pretty quickly[18:56:36] <Verdant_Machine> oh really, I have built firefox in many forms[18:56:39] <mmadia> in what ways?[18:56:56] <Verdant_Machine> oh cool the GLdirect works in my virtual machine[18:57:12] <Verdant_Machine> virtual extensions are cool[18:57:36] *** awpeter has quit IRC[18:57:52] *** Megaf has quit IRC[18:58:19] <Verdant_Machine> I assume there is just gtk layer over the normal graphical api[18:58:38] <smooki> Verdant_Machine: what soft are you using ?[18:58:54] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[19:00:05] <Verdant_Machine> kqemu AMD Phenom(tm) 9950 Quad-Core Processor Linux 2.6.29.2[19:03:31] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[19:03:36] <Verdant_Machine> there is still some pretty serious performance issues as far as hard drive performance and being limited to a single core but it is much better then without vte. I do believe vmware supports vte as well[19:04:36] *** vision has joined #haiku[19:04:50] *** vision has joined #haiku[19:05:02] *** vision has quit IRC[19:05:13] *** vision has joined #haiku[19:05:58] *** vision has quit IRC[19:06:13] *** vision has joined #haiku[19:06:18] *** vision has quit IRC[19:10:52] <Verdant_Machine> gordonjcp: What issues with ff2 are you referring to?[19:14:19] *** mmu_laptop has joined #haiku[19:14:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_laptop[19:15:06] *** boardbot25 has quit IRC[19:15:24] *** boardbot25 has joined #haiku[19:21:40] <CIA-20> scottmc * r300 /haikuports/trunk/net-misc/curl/curl-7.19.5.bep: adding .bep file for curl-7.19.5[19:23:22] *** Darknesss has joined #haiku[19:24:54] *** olta is now known as olta_away[19:24:59] * olta_away is away: Zur Zeit abwesend[19:28:35] *** smooki has quit IRC[19:38:02] <Verdant_Machine> I am assuming Haiku is going to adopt gnash, correct?[19:38:22] <mmadia> it's already available for gcc4[19:38:38] <Verdant_Machine> cool beans[19:39:22] *** mmu_laptop has quit IRC[19:40:06] <Verdant_Machine> this is almost like Gobo linux[19:40:11] <Verdant_Machine> but not :)[19:40:22] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[19:40:48] <MrSunshine__> you dont call haiku for linux![19:40:51] <MrSunshine__> blasphemer![19:41:22] <Verdant_Machine> I am thinking about defecting :)[19:43:31] * gr00ber thinks about the level of lameness in Pingwinek[19:43:51] *** smooked has joined #haiku[19:46:47] * Verdant_Machine looking at Pingwinek in confusion[19:46:58] <Verdant_Machine> I don't see any BeOS stuff[19:47:27] <Verdant_Machine> just looks like another reinvention of linux, yet again[19:47:46] <gr00ber> Verdant_Machine, nope[19:47:47] <gr00ber> http://home.gna.org/pingwinek/screenshots.html[19:47:57] <gr00ber> GNU/Haiku FTW[19:47:58] <gr00ber> lolz[19:48:55] <Verdant_Machine> I see[19:49:16] <Verdant_Machine> tbh I didn't mix well at all with the GNU community[19:49:43] <gr00ber> me neither[19:49:59] * gr00ber poops at RHS[19:50:52] <smooked> can I ask again what soft to best/fastest haiku virtualization please (using my cpu-vm)[19:51:40] *** gr00ber is now known as juliet[19:51:47] <smooked> :°[19:52:39] *** Disreali has quit IRC[19:52:45] <mmadia> smooked : I don't virtualize haiku, but VMWare, Qemu, and VirtualBox seem to be popular.[19:52:45] <luroh> smooked: well, sound works reasonably well in vmware with OSS drivers, not so in virtualbox[19:52:58] <luroh> dunno about (k)qemu[19:53:42] <smooked> ok :)[19:53:45] <Verdant_Machine> I have not had good luck with virtualbox but it does work. I have not dealt with vmware yet[19:54:06] <Verdant_Machine> but qemu seems to be working perfectly on my hardware[19:54:14] <smooked> qemu seems to not use cpu-vm[19:54:58] <Verdant_Machine> You need to build in kvm in the kernel and use kqemu or build the modified version of qemu from kvm people[19:55:01] <smooked> ok then let's vmware-player :D[19:55:14] <smooked> oh ok[19:55:59] <smooked> thanks again[19:56:03] <luroh> aye, vmware is probably the path of least resistance[19:56:22] <smooked> and virtual pc ?[19:57:10] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[19:57:14] <Verdant_Machine> well the new kernels support vte so it will be easier on all the emulator guys.[19:57:19] <luroh> i have no experience with that[19:57:36] *** vision has joined #haiku[19:57:52] <smooked> do you think mono could be easilly ported to haiku ?[19:57:55] *** vision has quit IRC[20:00:33] <Verdant_Machine> hehehe well I got about 5 hours of experience with kqemu, I am spooked that the directGL works. Things are not suppose to work the first time. It is a bad omen. :)[20:00:33] <Verdant_Machine> tbh it is probably best to use VMware since the haiku guys are using it, just for sanity[20:01:31] <luroh> i think the devs are all over the map actually - vmware, qemu, vbox[20:01:55] <Verdant_Machine> really? good to know[20:02:03] <luroh> at least that's the impression i have from reading the mailinglists[20:02:31] <Verdant_Machine> Maybe it is like picking a text editor.[20:05:59] *** Mixerr is now known as Mixer[20:11:50] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[20:12:17] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[20:13:46] *** vision has joined #haiku[20:14:02] *** vision is now known as _-Caleb-_[20:14:48] <_-Caleb-_> hi all[20:16:15] <_-Caleb-_> trying to prove Bepodder Haiku (gcc4) calls me a library (libstdc + +. r4.so) anyone know where can I find?[20:18:21] <gordonjcp> Verdant_Machine: I'm not a dev as such, but I do use qemu[20:18:30] <gordonjcp> Verdant_Machine: vmware is very very non-free[20:18:54] *** juliet is now known as gr00ber[20:19:51] *** nibble has joined #haiku[20:24:28] *** hisoka999 has joined #haiku[20:28:53] <mmadia> _-Caleb-_ you may want to drop an email to haiku-development[20:36:54] <Verdant_Machine> gordonjcp: I did not know that as I have not touched vmware yet.. well since qemu is working well I may not ever touch it. :)[20:37:54] <_-Caleb-_> thanks mmadia :)[20:38:59] <_-Caleb-_> But I prefer to look a little younger, if I find nothing I will:)[20:39:01] <_-Caleb-_> :)[20:40:33] *** _-Caleb-_ has quit IRC[20:44:51] *** oco has joined #haiku[20:45:28] *** miqlas has quit IRC[20:45:51] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[20:47:47] *** Vert_Machine has joined #Haiku[20:48:03] <Vert_Machine> well that works :)[20:49:11] *** Vert_Machine has quit IRC[21:05:09] *** awpeter has joined #haiku[21:12:12] <Verdant_Machine> firefox tests out fine, I don't see any problems with it[21:12:28] <gordonjcp> Verdant_Machine: it's ff2[21:12:34] <gordonjcp> so you can forget any recent addons[21:13:02] <Verdant_Machine> so not a big deal[21:13:19] *** smooked has quit IRC[21:13:26] <gordonjcp> Verdant_Machine: maybe not for you ;-)[21:13:29] <mmadia> gordonjcp , any interest in working on our port of Cairo? :D :D[21:13:47] <gordonjcp> mmadia: possibly, I haven't got a working haiku system at the moment though[21:13:59] <gordonjcp> what needs done?[21:14:08] <Verdant_Machine> well... then I guess ff2 will no quickly piss me off then :)[21:14:35] <Verdant_Machine> s/no/not/[21:14:38] <mmadia> gordonjcp , currently it compiles but fails many tests.[21:14:46] <mmadia> so, the C++ code needs to be updated.[21:16:57] *** Darknessss has joined #haiku[21:17:30] *** adamk_ has joined #haiku[21:17:36] <gordonjcp> mmadia: I either need to get a faster computer that supports virtualisation, or a new graphics card first[21:17:57] <mmadia> what graphics card are you trying to use?[21:17:59] <andguent> your graphic card should make no difference whatsoever[21:18:16] <andguent> haiku has no 3d accel anyway[21:18:59] <gordonjcp> mmadia: NVidia 7300LE[21:19:03] <andguent> having a processor with a good cache actually matterst most for virtualization[21:19:07] <gordonjcp> andguent: it does if it doesn't work[21:19:14] <mmadia> ah, iirc, i had problems with the LE at one point.[21:19:21] <gordonjcp> mmadia: hmm[21:19:24] <mmadia> gordonjcp what's the issue exactly?[21:19:31] <gordonjcp> black screen after startup[21:19:54] <gordonjcp> and no supported VESA modes above 1280x1024, which looks hideous on my monitor[21:20:18] <mmadia> gordonjcp : have you filed a ticket with the card's vendor+pci id ?[21:20:47] <mmadia> if it's the same card, as what i had, rudolfc should even have it :)[21:22:43] <gordonjcp> mmadia: there's already a near-identical ticket, and the pci info is already in the driver[21:23:06] <mmadia> what's the ticket?[21:23:15] <gordonjcp> hmm, can't find it just now...[21:23:23] <gordonjcp> I'll get back to you on that[21:23:25] <Verdant_Machine> idiot question: is it possible to play ogg on haiku atm?[21:23:27] <luroh> there are some; 1023, 1026, 2643[21:23:31] <gordonjcp> I must have more coffee[21:23:38] <gordonjcp> 2643 rings a bell[21:23:57] <gordonjcp> hmm, no, I'm not on DVI[21:24:04] <luroh> Verdant_Machine: try running playfile from the terminal[21:24:16] *** Darknesss has quit IRC[21:24:53] <luroh> iirc, MediaPlayer doesn't currently play ogg for some reason[21:25:13] <gordonjcp> mmadia: tell you what, I'll just make a new ticket - and if it's identified as a dupe I'll update the appropriate original ticket and close[21:26:37] <Verdant_Machine> luroh: Thanks it sort of worked. The emulation of oss from alsa stacked over qemu ac97 emulation seemed to prove to much for my machine but it looks like it will be fine on a real system, thanks.[21:28:29] <Verdant_Machine> s/to/too/[21:29:26] <luroh> hehe, yeah, i haven't ever had perfect sound under emulation (yet)[21:30:58] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[21:32:18] *** djiin has joined #haiku[21:32:58] *** atomozero has joined #haiku[21:33:23] *** _Megaf has joined #Haiku[21:33:28] <djiin> Hi. I'm planning to try out Haiku but I just have a few questions[21:34:43] <djiin> can haiku do wireless networking on a laptop?[21:34:53] <mmadia> no wifi yet.[21:34:56] <BePhantom> djiin, no[21:35:16] *** Darknessss has quit IRC[21:35:27] <luroh> djiin: only using virtualization[21:35:56] <djiin> Ah. Okay will try it on my desktop then.[21:37:05] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[21:37:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[21:38:20] * Verdant_Machine breaks out some duct tape and straps a wireless hub to his laptop.[21:38:32] <Verdant_Machine> hehehe now Haiku supports wireless[21:39:47] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[21:40:54] <Verdant_Machine> ok is the first checkout of the svn always painfully slow? I don't mind waiting but I am human so it is hard to suppress the desire to complain.[21:41:29] <geist> Verdant_Machine: yes[21:41:38] <gordonjcp> Verdant_Machine: there's a *lot* to check out[21:41:55] <Verdant_Machine> ok, feel better that I am not alone :)[21:42:56] <Verdant_Machine> always plenty of tech manuals to read[21:43:27] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[21:43:55] <gr00ber> Verdant_Machine, did you not mean Verdammt_Machine?[21:46:24] <Verdant_Machine> no[21:47:18] <Verdant_Machine> verdant as in fresh but inexperienced[21:47:18] <gr00ber> green it is, then[21:47:22] <gr00ber> i know[21:47:45] <gr00ber> aka unsophisticated[21:48:27] <Verdant_Machine> no[21:48:33] <gr00ber> yes[21:48:55] <Verdant_Machine> Whatever[21:48:59] <gr00ber> aye[21:51:06] <Verdant_Machine> There are plenty of variations in the definition, mostly depending on context.[21:51:12] <gr00ber> aye[21:52:26] *** _Megaf has quit IRC[21:56:00] <Verdant_Machine> ah found the ignore option in my client but what is the actual irc command??[21:57:17] *** Megaf has joined #Haiku[21:58:27] <geist> hmm?[21:58:49] <mmadia> "/ignore someIdiot"[21:58:57] <HeTo> if you mean what it is in the protocol, I wonder if there is one, I'd guess it's a client feature[21:59:20] <HeTo> but I'd suppose it would be /ignore in most clients, yeah[21:59:21] <Verdant_Machine> I think it is a client feature because I just get a unknown command thing[21:59:24] <HeTo> at least it is in irssi[21:59:54] <Verdant_Machine> but that is ok, it is just a few extra clicks on my client[22:01:23] <geist> shit is groober here?[22:02:29] *** geist has left #haiku[22:06:42] *** tic has quit IRC[22:12:25] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[22:12:30] *** urnenfeld has left #haiku[22:15:28] <djiin> This is just... awesome.[22:16:11] <gordonjcp> djiin: what, haiku?[22:16:18] <gordonjcp> it's pretty awesome[22:16:26] <gordonjcp> wait until you see it boot natively[22:17:11] <djiin> Yeah. Prepping my desktop for that[22:17:52] *** mmadia has left #haiku[22:17:54] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[22:18:18] <djiin> Anyone tried this on a netbook yet? Makes more sense[22:22:19] <mmadia> it runs on some EEE and aspire one's[22:22:51] *** Megaf has quit IRC[22:26:15] <Verdant_Machine> cool beans awk is on Haiku[22:26:35] <Verdant_Machine> few people appreciate awk[22:26:43] <AlienSoldier> it was almost perfect last time i booted it on my aspire one, only anoying thing was the lack of averlay for me[22:26:58] <AlienSoldier> *overlay[22:27:41] <Verdant_Machine> video overlay?[22:30:52] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[22:31:35] *** surrounder has joined #haiku[22:39:06] <AlienSoldier> Verdant_Machine it's what allow video to be scaled by hardware[22:39:23] <AlienSoldier> it's a form of 2d acceleration[22:39:53] <Verdant_Machine> yes, I just didn't know if you were talking about video or not[22:40:55] <Verdant_Machine> That would be in the realm of applications yes? or is it a problem of not being supported at kernel level?[22:42:32] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[22:43:14] <adamk_> Some video drivers support it, such as the radeon driver.[22:43:20] <adamk_> And some applications support it, such a VLC.[22:43:49] *** koo5 has quit IRC[22:43:53] <adamk_> That particular combination, though, is painfully slow. vlc using the software output device is much faster than vlc using the radeon video overlay.[22:43:56] *** surround1r has quit IRC[22:44:40] <Verdant_Machine> interesting[22:44:44] <Verdant_Machine> I will have to check that out[22:45:16] <adamk_> I'm not sure if that's an issue with the driver or with the application.[22:46:42] <Verdant_Machine> I would guess application looking for linux junk. getting that stuff to work under linux is sometimes a pain as in it has to be set up in X and the kernel correctly[22:47:52] <Verdant_Machine> but newer cards do support video overlay in the GL so I wonder if it would just be easier just to use DirectGL[22:48:40] *** koo5 has joined #haiku[22:49:03] <adamk_> Newer cards use the 3D engine on the card for Xv support, which is not the same as using opengl.[22:49:44] <Verdant_Machine> I see[22:51:41] <Verdant_Machine> I will have to dig into DRI one day and see how all that works[22:53:14] <adamk_> Well the Xv support via the 3D engine is supported via the DRM (the kernel module) and the ddx (the 2D Xorg driver) if you decide to check it out.[22:54:43] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[23:06:19] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[23:07:41] <Verdant_Machine> I was rather impressed with the performance of the vidix drivers[23:07:51] *** aljen has joined #haiku[23:08:03] <aljen> hey[23:08:29] <Verdant_Machine> I wonder how much work it would take to port them to Haiku[23:11:33] *** atomozero has quit IRC[23:13:58] <BePhantom> mr mmadia here?[23:14:08] <mmadia> no, i'm there.[23:15:11] <BePhantom> hehe, yesterday i tried to boot haiku on real hardware[23:15:24] <MrSunshine__> how did it go ?[23:15:27] <BePhantom> and the kernel panic bug seems to be fixed or something[23:15:48] <Verdant_Machine> hehehe I didn't see a mushroom cloud[23:16:10] <BePhantom> the thing is that i found another kernel panic and i would like to record it to so you can further analize it[23:16:26] <BePhantom> what was the command to show the output?[23:16:48] <luroh> bt[23:17:50] <BePhantom> awesome, i'll take a couple of screenshots[23:17:51] <BePhantom> brb[23:17:57] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[23:21:35] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[23:21:54] *** oxygene has joined #haiku[23:21:56] <oxygene> hi[23:22:47] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[23:22:50] <oxygene> haiku runs into the debugger when I boot it with coreboot, while it works with the vendor bios on the same hardware. Now I'm trying to figure out what difference in configuration leads to this.[23:23:07] <BePhantom> k, i got the output, just a minute... will upload the pics[23:24:22] <oxygene> the issue is a double fault in the pci bus manager, after/while acquiring a spinlock. before that, there are 130 entries for recursive invocations of _FixupDevices on the stack. Now I wonder if that's possible - reading the code it doesn't seem so[23:25:14] <BePhantom> mmadia, could you help me diagnose the problem? maybe see if it's a known bug?[23:25:48] <mmadia> i'm not the most versed inside KDL, so keep that in mind :)[23:26:10] <mmadia> otherwise sure.[23:26:11] *** hisoka999 has quit IRC[23:26:15] <BePhantom> here are the shots http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1117724/kdl%20keyboard1.jpg[23:26:32] <BePhantom> this is what's left outside of the first shot http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1117724/kdl%20keyboard2.jpg[23:26:52] <mmadia> i do recall seeing a PS2 bug[23:27:14] <BePhantom> when i press fn key (function?) and f12 to increase volume level it triggers this kdl[23:28:00] <BePhantom> fn + f11 (decrease volume) nothing happens, same with brightness levels[23:28:14] <mmadia> well, F12 is the trigger key to bring up KDL[23:28:15] *** Carbamide has joined #haiku[23:28:43] <mmadia> but that very first line, "ps2: possibly a hot plugin of input/keyboard/at/0" seems odd.[23:28:59] <BePhantom> lemme check pressing only f12 without fn key[23:29:07] <BePhantom> brb[23:29:19] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[23:31:05] *** expensivelesbian has quit IRC[23:33:37] *** gr00ber has quit IRC[23:35:19] <pyCube> things is things[23:36:01] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[23:36:32] <BePhantom> mmadia, yup, it's normal behaviour[23:36:41] <BePhantom> it's kdl from f12[23:36:58] <BePhantom> never mind then :)[23:37:22] <BePhantom> i did find a spelling mistake tho :)[23:37:30] <oxygene> hm.. how can I enable the TRACE messages?[23:37:35] <BePhantom> stpere_, maybe can fix it?[23:38:55] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[23:41:40] <luroh> oxygene: check src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/pci[23:41:49] <luroh> pci.h[23:42:37] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[23:43:14] <oxygene> luroh: ah, right. and FLOW in pci.cc.. great, let's see[23:43:50] *** gr00ber has joined #haiku[23:43:55] <gr00ber> wassup[23:44:24] *** lordheavy has joined #haiku[23:44:33] *** lordheavy has left #haiku[23:45:50] *** troy3443 has joined #haiku[23:45:56] <MrSunshine__> your mother[23:46:11] <troy3443> MrSunshine__: no. YOUR mother!!!!!!!!![23:46:53] <troy3443> I saw gr00ber fucking your mother just yesterday on xtube[23:47:37] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[23:47:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[23:47:54] *** dr_evil sets mode: +b *!*@98.156.118.164[23:47:58] *** troy3443 was kicked by dr_evil (dr_evil)[23:48:03] *** gr00ber has quit IRC[23:49:48] <pyCube> whoa[23:51:31] *** leavengood has joined #haiku[23:51:48] <BePhantom> what just happened? :P[23:52:02] <MrSunshine__> Dr Evil just happened! :)[23:52:04] <oxygene> luroh: thank you, that helped[23:52:20] <Verdant_Machine> Is dr_evil a bot?[23:52:22] <oxygene> "PCI: FixupDevices domain 0, bus 0" - "Last message repeated 131 times." I guess that's a problem..[23:52:32] <MrSunshine__> no[23:52:37] <luroh> oxygene: ah, sweet[23:56:58] <Verdant_Machine> dear god, still checking out. 1.4Gigs so far[23:57:05] *** tic has joined #haiku[23:57:33] *** tic has quit IRC[23:57:39] *** tic has joined #haiku[23:57:55] * dr_evil wrote PCI: FixupDevices and feels guilty[23:58:33] <MrSunshine__> =)[23:59:07] <oxygene> dr_evil: you might have uncovered a bug in coreboot that way :)[23:59:48] *** Kokito has quit IRC