May 19, 2009 
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May 19, 2009 [00:00:40] <CIA-20> bonefish * r30800 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/aboutsystem/Utilities.cpp: Already included in the header.[00:01:15] *** korli has quit IRC[00:01:46] <CIA-20> bonefish * r30801 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/aboutsystem/ (Utilities.cpp Utilities.h): Updated copyright year.[00:07:29] *** nibble has quit IRC[00:07:43] *** nibble has joined #haiku[00:15:02] *** Hokum has quit IRC[00:15:03] *** nibble has quit IRC[00:15:06] *** nibble has joined #haiku[00:19:35] *** oxocoffee has joined #haiku[00:20:53] *** nibble has quit IRC[00:20:59] *** nibble has joined #haiku[00:22:25] *** lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[00:22:36] *** oxocoffee has quit IRC[00:22:37] *** lelldorin1 has quit IRC[00:26:30] <BePhantom> this is too quiet :P[00:35:47] *** Darknesss has quit IRC[00:37:45] *** mmu_laptop has quit IRC[00:54:00] *** awpeter has joined #haiku[00:55:25] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[00:57:17] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[00:57:51] <satellitehelf> wtf[00:58:05] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[00:58:11] <satellitehelf> shipping a 5lbs box to italy - USPS =[00:58:14] <satellitehelf> $40[00:58:19] <satellitehelf> ups = 114[00:58:51] *** megaf has quit IRC[00:59:50] <BePhantom> 5lbs of weed?[01:11:02] *** adamk_ has quit IRC[01:12:42] <satellitehelf> no, a piece of computer equipment[01:12:52] * satellitehelf dislikes "weed"[01:13:29] <satellitehelf> The smell is awful and I don't like the idea of partially crippling my faculties... even if temporarily :P[01:16:20] <BePhantom> satellitehelf, do you sell computer hardware?[01:16:48] <satellitehelf> only my own[01:17:31] <BePhantom> i see[01:17:56] *** yoritomo_ has quit IRC[01:17:58] <satellitehelf> selling a rare piece of equipment for my NeXT[01:19:53] *** TheNerd_LT is now known as TheNerd[01:20:31] <BePhantom> is NeXT a computer?[01:20:36] <BePhantom> what do you use it for?[01:28:56] <BePhantom> Josuelo[01:29:18] *** koo51 has quit IRC[01:29:24] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[01:29:30] <BePhantom> satellitehelf, that's your spanish name :)[01:33:17] * JonathanThompson poits satellitehelf and BePhantom from afar and not anear[01:35:39] <BePhantom> hi Juanathan[01:35:45] *** awpeter has quit IRC[01:35:48] * JonathanThompson notes a new name mutation[01:35:49] <BePhantom> :D[01:36:57] <BePhantom> im spanishing you[01:37:23] *** oco has quit IRC[01:37:42] * JonathanThompson hopes that isn't comparable to being frenched[01:37:55] <BePhantom> haha[01:39:38] *** judgen has joined #haiku[01:40:01] <judgen> Hmm im listening to the eurovision songs today... some of them isnt awful at all.[01:40:21] <judgen> I really like the estonian song, too bad it didnt win.[01:40:41] <judgen> But the russian song is pretty cool too.[01:40:43] <BePhantom> judgen, is Julio :D[01:40:50] <judgen> Julio?[01:41:15] <BePhantom> :D nevermind[01:41:24] * JonathanThompson never does[01:41:48][01:42:01] <judgen> Sounded like a crappy shakira (and that is crappy enough)[01:42:02] <BePhantom> whats eurovision?[01:42:09] *** redblue has joined #haiku[01:42:16] <BePhantom> is it like mtv? :P[01:42:31] <judgen> BePhantom its a competition where all nations of europe competes with one song each.[01:42:40] <judgen> BePhantom its one of the biggest tv events in the world.[01:42:52] <judgen> BePhantom has more viewers than the superbowl. (just as a reference.)[01:44:22] <judgen> 150 millions just in europe this year, compared to the record of the superbowl at 97 million worldwide.[01:44:29] <Carbamide> I saw something about that on Nightline the other night.[01:44:34] <BePhantom> so is Simon Cowell a judge there? :P[01:44:40] <judgen> BePhantom HAHA[01:44:58] <judgen> BePhantom the countries votes over phone (but you cant vote on your own country)[01:45:03] <Carbamide> It's being hosted in Russia this year, right?[01:45:09] <judgen> Carbamide yup moscow.[01:45:17] <judgen> Next year its in Oslo or bergen.[01:45:21] <judgen> (norway)[01:46:19] <BePhantom> so international conflicts will be solved over a karaoke contest? :D[01:46:23] <judgen> non-european countries seems to be allowed to participate too.[01:46:30] <judgen> BePhantom its not kareoke though.[01:47:06] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, is too quiet, he must be in shock[01:47:58] <BePhantom> so who's gonna win? :P[01:48:04] <judgen> Norway won.[01:48:09] <judgen> It was this weekend.[01:48:17] <judgen> Russia won last year,[01:49:16] <judgen> The winner gets to host the next year.[01:49:30] <judgen> finland came in last this year i think.[01:50:36] <BePhantom> im sorry but it sounds like a kinda stupid show, much like American Idol :P[01:52:10] <judgen> BePhantom Well, its tv.[01:52:46] <judgen> But the people are actual singers and all the songs has to be written solely for the purpose of the show.[01:53:38] <judgen> Most tv is stupid, but it can be enjoyable.[01:54:50] <BePhantom> what happens with the winning country?[01:55:55] <judgen> BePhantom they get to host it next year... not much else.[01:56:03] <BePhantom> :P[01:56:06] <judgen> Its nice to win because its very profitable[01:56:15] <judgen> and it has been so since 1956[01:56:27] <BePhantom> never heard of it before :P[01:57:19] <judgen> BePhantom Its also the most viewed channel on youtube at the moment i think.[01:57:26] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[01:57:56] <BePhantom> cool :D[01:58:52][01:58:55] <judgen> from wikipedia[01:59:22] <judgen> but the amount of viewers on the national competitions are not even a fraction.[02:03:40] <BePhantom> it doesnt seem like a fair contest to me[02:04:26] <BePhantom> because there are small countries with small population compared to bigger ones, they'll never win by voting[02:05:46] <judgen> yes because all countries gets the same amounts of points[02:05:49] <judgen> no matter how small.[02:06:26] <judgen> every country votes what their own country is to give their points to.[02:09:48] <BePhantom> when is the uefa champions league final?[02:10:03] <BePhantom> on the 23rd?[02:10:08] <judgen> its 02:12 in the morning and the sun is shning. I love summers at the arctic circle[02:10:15] <judgen> BePhantom i dont watch football.[02:10:20] <BePhantom> :P[02:10:34] <BePhantom> 2:12 am?[02:10:47] <judgen> in the middle of the night yeah.[02:11:15] <BePhantom> 2:12 am and the sun is shinning? weird :D[02:11:28] <BePhantom> it's like the twilight zone :D[02:11:41] <judgen> the sun shines from may to late august.[02:11:47] <judgen> unless its cloudy ofcourse =P[02:11:55] <judgen> never sets[02:12:07] <BePhantom> where are you?[02:12:14] <judgen> Northern sweden.[02:12:26] <judgen> Im further north then the habitated areas of greenland.[02:12:43] <BePhantom> that's cool, never saw something like that, sun all day[02:13:08] <judgen> BePhantom its awsome.[02:13:44] <judgen> but it gets too hot in july. at this local town 40C (over 100F) is common.[02:13:56] <satellitehelf> BePhantom, its an old unix workstation[02:13:57] <judgen> the ground never gets time too cool of.[02:14:31] <BePhantom> really? that hot there? it's way up north, close the the north pole[02:15:36] <judgen> Well its not as close as you think.. its an ocean between you know.[02:16:44] <judgen> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/350px-World_map_with_arctic-b.jpg[02:16:47] <judgen> there youve got a map[02:16:50] * BePhantom adds Sweden to his must-visit countries list[02:17:12] <judgen> BePhantom in the south of sweden they do not have perpetual sunlight in the summers.[02:17:16] <judgen> Only in the north.[02:18:12] <judgen> oh well, maybe i should go to bed.[02:18:55] <judgen> Have a wonderful time.[02:19:01] *** judgen has quit IRC[02:19:58] <BePhantom> i lived 5 years in the southernmost city in the world and we never had perpetual sunlight in summer :P[02:26:40] *** rennj-be has joined #haiku[02:28:12] <satellitehelf> JonathanThompson, you there?[02:29:07] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, is like god, he's everywhere[02:30:38] <satellitehelf> heh[02:32:06] <JonathanThompson> Nope, not there, I'm here![02:37:00] *** nibble has quit IRC[02:37:25] *** nibble has joined #haiku[02:42:25] <BePhantom> finally, haiku alpha release plan is being discussed :D[02:50:27] <stpere> BePhantom: yay :)[02:57:09] <glootech> where? where?[02:58:36] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[03:01:48] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[03:07:00] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[03:10:21] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[03:19:18] *** koo5 has joined #haiku[03:20:12] <BePhantom> glootech, dev mailing list[03:21:05] *** mattlacey_ has joined #haiku[03:27:42] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[03:29:33] *** wtracy has joined #haiku[03:29:56] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[03:32:49] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[03:33:55] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[03:36:59] *** wtracy has quit IRC[03:38:23] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[03:39:10] *** mattlacey_ has quit IRC[03:40:00] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[03:42:20] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[03:51:45] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[03:53:51] *** rcjsuen_ has joined #haiku[03:54:37] *** M199 has joined #haiku[03:56:44] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[03:57:30] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[04:04:55] *** Master199 has quit IRC[04:15:06] *** Carbamide has quit IRC[04:16:16] *** satellitehelf has quit IRC[04:18:11] *** Carbamide has joined #haiku[04:20:18] *** fcr_ has quit IRC[04:21:19] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[04:24:01] *** fcr_ has joined #haiku[04:24:37] *** fcr_ is now known as fcr[04:41:01] *** rcjsuen__ has joined #haiku[04:52:15] *** Disreali has quit IRC[04:56:30] * pfoetchen got the kernel to "start" on arm (actually it just calls start and hangs in the infinite loop I put there ;) )[04:57:18] *** ulterior_modem has joined #Haiku[04:57:25] <pfoetchen> I will try to get at least some serial debug output to work tomorrow but now I'm just to tired to do anything usefull ;)[04:58:11] *** rcjsuen_ has quit IRC[04:58:26] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[05:01:40] <mmadia> \o/[05:05:36][05:05:59] <mmadia> como es tas?[05:06:57] <mmadia> and no, i dont write spanish all that often ;)[05:08:15] <BePhantom> that's pretty good spanish :)[05:09:19] <BePhantom> mmadia, alpha discussion is heating up :)[05:09:33] <BePhantom> it was about time imo[05:10:51] <mmadia> yo estoy moy contento con esta hablar. (?)[05:11:20] <BePhantom> google translator?[05:11:44] <mmadia> no... working with guatemalan's for a few years ;)[05:11:48] <BePhantom> it's no that bad, i understand what you say :D[05:12:22] <mmadia> and that's good enough for me :)[05:12:49] <BePhantom> did you have spanish at highscool?[05:12:56] <mmadia> yes, but i took latin.[05:13:16] <mmadia> and then german in college :P[05:13:54] <BePhantom> latin? awesome, i didnt know latin was taught in highschool, that must have been a very expensive one :D[05:14:14] *** Serpentor has joined #haiku[05:17:05] <mmadia> public :P[05:17:49] <mmadia> the choices were spanish or latin... and for some reason i had a personal grudge against the spanish teacher. as karma would have it, she became my homeroom teacher.[05:20:19] <BePhantom> ha[05:20:42] <BePhantom> you dodged the bullet once but not twice :D[05:21:00] <Serpentor> anyone here know iMovie well?[05:23:29] <BePhantom> my highschool was public too, you had no choice, you could only learn English and it was a very basic one[05:25:07] *** rcjsuen__ has quit IRC[05:31:14] *** Carbamide has quit IRC[05:43:00] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[05:55:26] *** mattlacey_ has joined #haiku[05:55:58] <BePhantom> au? austria?[05:56:14] <BePhantom> mattlacey[05:56:45] <umccullough> au generally refers to australia[05:57:01] <umccullough> right?[05:57:23] <BePhantom> umm[05:57:53] <BePhantom> yes, australia :) hello umccullough[05:58:10] <BePhantom> hey, 7 dollars for a xbox, not bad ;)[05:59:57] <Serpentor> anyone here know iMovie well?[06:00:19] <umccullough> BePhantom, i just finished modchipping it[06:00:27] <umccullough> the modchip cost more than the xbox :P[06:00:31] <umccullough> sad sad[06:01:07] <BePhantom> haha[06:01:11] <BePhantom> that's funny[06:01:28] <BePhantom> does it work? were you able to play games?[06:01:28] <umccullough> worse, the modchip cost more than the xbox + all repair parts[06:01:46] <umccullough> the xbox had a busted dvd drive[06:01:50] <umccullough> and no controllers[06:01:55] <BePhantom> how much money did you spend overall?[06:02:17] <umccullough> so i had to splurge $1 for some used controllers, a couple bucks on break-away cables for them, and $50 for a spankin' new samsung sdg-605b drive[06:02:26] <umccullough> which was the best drive you could put in an xbox[06:02:47] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[06:02:48] <umccullough> so, figure with the modchip, probably $120 + shipping :P[06:02:54] <BePhantom> so you now have a brand new xbox :D[06:02:59] <umccullough> pretty much[06:03:15] <umccullough> it's got some minor dings, and the controllers are a little rough for $0.50 each :D[06:03:25] <mmadia> Serpentor , i don't.[06:03:43] <BePhantom> 120 dollars sounds like a good deal to me[06:04:12] <Serpentor> iMovie is driving me nuts[06:04:18] <mmadia> XBMC all the way![06:05:03] <Serpentor> or iDVD, I can't figure out with is the actual culprit[06:05:08] <mmadia> i even wrote a python script for interacting with emulators+roms... it had an unsolved deadlock timing issue though :|[06:07:23] <BePhantom> i would like to have an xbox, but they are very expensive here, same PS2 and let's not talk about 360 and PS3[06:07:54] *** dwarfyperson has quit IRC[06:08:14] *** dwarfyperson has joined #haiku[06:08:33] <BePhantom> i had the money to buy a ps2, but i gave it a second thought and i bought a better home theater[06:09:04] <hdanak> BePhantom: how much do the xbox's sell for?[06:09:34] <BePhantom> about 240 dollars[06:09:44] <BePhantom> that's xbox 1[06:10:32] <BePhantom> used of course, ps2 is 230 dollars new[06:10:37] <hdanak> i have one under the bed... someone was throwing it out[06:10:53] <hdanak> was thinking of putting linux on it[06:11:12] <BePhantom> or haiku ;)[06:11:12] <hdanak> is it possible to put haiku on it? isn't it mostly a standard x86 box?[06:11:28] <BePhantom> ps2 is 100 dollars on amazon, so cheap[06:11:37] *** blutigerWilliam has quit IRC[06:12:10] <BePhantom> how much does a ps3 cost in the US?[06:12:14] <umccullough> gah[06:12:22] <fcr> but the ps2 only has 32MB of RAM[06:12:24] <umccullough> hdanak, a ps2?[06:12:25] <mmadia> hdanak there's quite a few issues with it.[06:12:32] <hdanak> umccullough: no, xbox[06:12:36] <umccullough> ah[06:12:40] <mmadia> the xbox has 64mb ram and a ~700mhz p3 cpu[06:12:45] <BePhantom> fcr, i know but they sell it like if it was the ultimate gaming machine here[06:13:03] <mmadia> but, the binaries need to be compiled with a special version of Microsofts development kit.[06:13:03] <umccullough> you can't just install any OS on one[06:13:06] <hdanak> hmm, thats worse than what i'm on right now...[06:13:18] <BePhantom> umccullough, how much does a ps3 cost there?[06:13:26] <umccullough> BePhantom, like $400 i think[06:13:29] <umccullough> i dunno[06:13:30] <mmadia> that dev kit is not legally available to the public[06:13:41] <umccullough> mmadia, xbox linux doesn't rely on that dev kit[06:13:52] <BePhantom> umccullough, you got a 360 right?[06:13:53] <umccullough> and neither does the cromwell bios[06:13:56] <hdanak> i guess it would be useless without a keyboard[06:13:58] <umccullough> BePhantom, no[06:14:06] <mmadia> umccullough : i didn't know that.[06:14:07] <BePhantom> umccullough, i thought you did[06:14:12] <BePhantom> :P[06:14:15] <mmadia> <-- 360[06:14:20] <umccullough> hdanak, the xbox controller ports are basically usb ports[06:14:22] <BePhantom> mmadia, darn you :D[06:14:27] <umccullough> BePhantom, i got an xbox..original[06:14:30] <hdanak> for the old one?[06:14:30] <BePhantom> mmadia, how much did you pay?[06:14:35] <umccullough> hdanak, yeah[06:14:46] <BePhantom> umccullough, yes, i thought you also had a 360[06:14:48] <umccullough> hdanak, i bought a cable to convert from xbox port to usb for like $3[06:14:59] <umccullough> BePhantom, no, i don't burn money on stuff like that :)[06:15:04] <hdanak> yeah, i hacked one that did the same, but for using xbox wheel on pc[06:15:05] <umccullough> BePhantom, i don't hardly play games[06:15:15] <umccullough> hdanak, exactly, they're basically usb devices[06:15:16] <hdanak> didn't support drivers though (on linux)[06:15:18] <mmadia> BePhantom : at the time, i picked up one of the special edition Halo3 boxes -- as that was all that was in stock... it was an extra $50usd or so.. pissed me off.[06:15:20] <fcr> hdanak: you could use an standard usb keyboard with linux on the ps2[06:15:29] <BePhantom> umccullough, there are people who bought all three consoles, ps3, 360 and wii :D[06:15:39] *** mattlacey_ has quit IRC[06:15:39] <umccullough> BePhantom, i don't have any of those[06:16:09] * mmadia loves nazi zombies on Call of Duty , World at War[06:16:14] <BePhantom> mmadia, but how much did you pay for the whole system?[06:16:14] <umccullough> i have nes (two), genesis (two), snes, n64 (two), atari 2600, playstation (modchipped), playstation2, and xbox (modchipped)[06:16:31] <mmadia> BePhantom ... dunno, blocked that out of memory :)[06:16:37] <umccullough> plus we have two gameboys and 3 DS lites[06:16:47] <BePhantom> mmadia, haha better not to think about it :D[06:17:08] *** paul0 has quit IRC[06:17:10] <BePhantom> umccullough, snes is awesome ;)[06:17:14] <Serpentor> umccullough: no psp's with custom firmware?[06:17:18] <umccullough> nope[06:17:27] <Serpentor> you are missing out ;-)[06:17:31] <umccullough> nah[06:17:40] <umccullough> ds lites have slot 1 bootcards[06:17:46] <umccullough> that's plenty ;)[06:17:48] <BePhantom> i got a first gen gameboy fully working like if it was new and gameboy pocket[06:17:50] <Serpentor> yup, got those too[06:18:05] <umccullough> BePhantom, yeah i have a 1st gen GB and also a GB color[06:18:08] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[06:18:11] <Serpentor> I have an import GBA with a backlit screen, VERY nice![06:18:22] <Serpentor> wait, GB, NOT GBA[06:18:30] <umccullough> gb pocket?[06:18:45] <umccullough> or, the fat original ones?[06:18:49] <Serpentor> uh... it was about the same time as the pocket but a little bigger[06:18:53] <BePhantom> yes, gameboy pocket is a improved version of 1st gen[06:18:54] <umccullough> interesting[06:19:04] <BePhantom> an*[06:19:11] <umccullough> yeah, longer battery life :)[06:19:28] <umccullough> it's amazing how much longer the gb color runs on two AA's than the GB original with 4[06:19:35] <Serpentor> I was in Hawaii when I got my first gameboy, it was a powder blue pocket but I hated that I couldn't play at night[06:19:37] <BePhantom> bigger screen, and it works with only two AAA batteries[06:19:47] <BePhantom> or three, i cant remember[06:19:55] <BePhantom> havent used it for a long time :P[06:20:11] <Serpentor> found a game shop that had some imports so I got a gold one that had the backlit screen and runs on 2 AA instead of 2 AAA like the pocket[06:21:02] <BePhantom> mine is this http://www.juegos.es/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/imggame-boy-pocket1.jpg[06:21:03] <BePhantom> yellow[06:21:46] *** dwarfyperson has quit IRC[06:24:16] <BePhantom> xbox 360 is 660 dollars here, crazy[06:28:27] *** mattlacey_ has joined #haiku[06:31:12] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[06:45:41] *** HaikuMonni has joined #Haiku[06:48:05] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[07:00:35] *** hdanak has left #haiku[07:12:36] <CIA-20> scottmc * r299 /haikuports/trunk/net-misc/ (openssh/openssh-5.2p1-haiku.diff openssh): patch to configure.ac to build openssh -5.2p1 on Haiku, based on Ingo's patch for 5.0p1[07:15:59] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[07:19:11] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[07:20:45] <mmadia> lemme see if i've any xbins stuff on this pc.[07:21:17] <mmadia> nope, it's on my lobby HD , whch was never transeferred over :\[07:21:35] <mmadia> *ahem*[07:22:14] *** mattlacey_ has quit IRC[07:22:50] <BePhantom> xbins? is that a new cool word for porn?[07:23:10] <BePhantom> :D[07:23:45] <mmadia> don't you worry what it's codeword for :P[07:24:00] <mmadia> <--- dickish[07:24:35] <BePhantom> :D[07:24:48] <mmadia> that's one of my better qualities i'll knock myself down before someone else has the chance to[07:25:42] <BePhantom> ha, but i was just joking not trying to hurt in any way :D[07:30:16] <BePhantom> i wonder why i cant transfer files at maximum speed over wifi[07:30:22] <BePhantom> in a lan[07:30:36] <BePhantom> it's supposed to be 54mbps[07:30:48] *** redblue has quit IRC[07:30:49] <BePhantom> and i got good signal[07:31:36] <BePhantom> i bet 54mpbs is just a lie[07:32:53] <mmadia> never really got too interested in wireless to tell the truth.[07:33:26] <BePhantom> the most i can transfer is 7 mb/s[07:33:35] <BePhantom> sucks :P[07:34:08] *** redblue has joined #haiku[07:34:24] <BePhantom> I'm pretty far from 54[07:36:10] <BePhantom> mmadia, i have a laptop so wifi is very convenient for me[07:40:19] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[07:41:05] *** myrkraverk` has joined #haiku[07:46:26] *** knottnhupfer has joined #haiku[07:53:24] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[07:54:49] *** myrkraverk has quit IRC[07:57:11] *** BePhantom 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*** mattlacey has quit IRC[09:19:41] *** expensivelesbian has quit IRC[09:25:12] <umccullough> BePhantom, you know that 54mbps is only like 5MB/sec right?[09:25:46] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[09:25:48] *** mattlacey_ has quit IRC[09:26:11] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[09:26:37] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[09:27:03] *** SprMa has left #haiku[09:27:12] <BePhantom> umccullough, 5?[09:27:17] <umccullough> uh yeah[09:27:34] <umccullough> cuz megabits per second doesn't translate to MegaBytes per second[09:27:57] <umccullough> you usually figure 10 bits per byte on transfers like that (to count for overhead)[09:28:09] <umccullough> and you'd be damn lucky to even get that[09:28:23] <umccullough> 7MB/sec sounds like nearly 100mbit speeds[09:28:47] <umccullough> 54mbit connections usually give you a total of ~24mbit each direction[09:28:53] <BePhantom> lemme check bits per second[09:29:40] <BePhantom> 6,7 Mb/s[09:29:48] <umccullough> that's mbits?[09:30:06] <BePhantom> bits not bytes[09:30:13] <umccullough> k[09:30:28] <umccullough> well, sounds like 802.11b[09:30:53] <umccullough> as in, shitty connection[09:31:08] <umccullough> wireless is never what they promise[09:31:20] <BePhantom> bytes is 800 KiB/s top[09:31:44] <BePhantom> it's supposed to be g, not b[09:31:46] <BePhantom> :P[09:32:03] <umccullough> crappy brand?[09:32:09] <BePhantom> dlink[09:32:11] <umccullough> dlink[09:32:13] <umccullough> yeah, JUNK[09:32:15] <umccullough> :)[09:32:17] <BePhantom> :P[09:32:52] <umccullough> i run a couple of wrt54g's with dd-wrt firmware on them[09:33:01] <umccullough> they still suck though[09:33:21] <umccullough> i on'y do it that way cuz i'm too lazy to run cat5 to my living room[09:33:26] <umccullough> but soon enough that will be fixed[09:34:05] <umccullough> wireless == fast-enough-for-itner[09:34:06] <umccullough> internet[09:34:11] <umccullough> but not fast enough for LAN[09:34:18] <BePhantom> i heard that wrt54 are among the best ones[09:34:20] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[09:34:28] <umccullough> yeah, not bad[09:34:31] <umccullough> but wireless just plain sucks[09:34:39] <umccullough> overrated, imo[09:35:03] <BePhantom> im happy with my dlink, it's really stable[09:35:25] <BePhantom> the problem is moving large files inside my network[09:35:29] *** dwarfyperson has joined #haiku[09:35:36] <BePhantom> it just take too long[09:35:40] <umccullough> yep[09:36:03] <umccullough> with the two wrt54g's i was running a rack of servers in my garage 100 ft away[09:36:11] <umccullough> well, two servers anyway :P[09:36:17] <umccullough> the others weren't on[09:36:44] <umccullough> but i finally ran cat5 out there[09:36:58] <umccullough> much nicernow[09:36:59] <BePhantom> are those 10gb lan good?[09:37:12] <umccullough> ?[09:37:24] <umccullough> wrt54g are 10/100 LAN[09:37:31] <BePhantom> isnt there a 10gb lan or something?[09:37:51] <umccullough> if you know of a consumer device that supports 10gbit lan, point me to it[09:38:09] <BePhantom> wait, im checking[09:38:14] <umccullough> i think you'd need fiber :)[09:38:18] <dwarfyperson> there IS such a thing as 10g lan[09:38:26] <dwarfyperson> because there's support in the linux kernel[09:38:28] <umccullough> for consumer devices?[09:38:31] <umccullough> ha[09:38:36] <dwarfyperson> but it's not very widespread I don't think[09:38:43] <umccullough> come on..that's fiber[09:38:45] <dwarfyperson> because[09:38:49] <dwarfyperson> that's faster than sata[09:38:53] <umccullough> no shit[09:39:48] <thebolt> there are actually 10GbE copper stuff as well[09:39:52] <thebolt> not only fiber[09:40:04] *** RHarmsen has joined #haiku[09:40:05] <BePhantom> http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/1000BASE-X[09:40:05] <umccullough> what's the distance limitation? 10 feet?[09:40:11] <BePhantom> that's it, not 10 tho[09:40:11] <umccullough> BePhantom, that's 1gbit[09:40:21] <thebolt> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10GB_Ethernet[09:40:24] <BePhantom> umccullough, my mistake[09:40:25] <umccullough> wrt54g doesn't support more than 100mbit[09:40:27] <thebolt> thats 10Gb[09:41:15] <BePhantom> ha, when i said 10 i meant 1, cool there's a 10 :D[09:41:29] <umccullough> 15 meters for copper 10gbe[09:41:47] <BePhantom> are 1gbit lans good?[09:41:58] <thebolt> sure, 1gbit is pretty widespread[09:41:59] <umccullough> yeah, but expensivish still[09:42:02] <hdanak> why would you use copper anyhow?[09:42:08] <umccullough> at least, for the switches[09:42:13] <BePhantom> umccullough, you need a special router right?[09:42:28] <thebolt> hdanak: much easier to handle, cheaper[09:42:28] <umccullough> BePhantom, you just need a 1gbit switch and cat5e or better[09:43:08] <umccullough> i may pick up a 24port 1gbit switch soon for the house[09:43:37] <BePhantom> are there routers with 1gbit?[09:43:42] <thebolt> yes[09:43:50] <thebolt> very few consumer grade routers though (if any)[09:44:02] <umccullough> but why would i need a 1gbit router anyway[09:44:08] <umccullough> my internet connection is 3mbit[09:44:09] <thebolt> if you need to route gbit yourself, probably cheapest is to get a PC and two gbit network cards[09:44:10] <hdanak> well, don't nearly all wireless-n routers have gbit?[09:44:14] <dwarfyperson> no[09:44:21] <thebolt> hdanak: not on the wlan port[09:44:22] <dwarfyperson> mine doesn't[09:44:27] <thebolt> and not gbit routing capability[09:44:36] <BePhantom> umccullough, to have a faster lan transfer[09:44:44] <dwarfyperson> n only supports up to 300mbps[09:44:46] <umccullough> BePhantom, that's a switch[09:44:50] <umccullough> not a router[09:44:53] <dwarfyperson> and that's not on the wired connections[09:44:59] <thebolt> i have a dlink which actually does (gbit wlan port) and gbit switch for lan[09:45:09] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[09:45:10] <thebolt> but the lan to wlan routing capability is somewhere around 400Mbit/s[09:45:34] <thebolt> (tested)[09:46:51] <thebolt> hm, dir655 is the model name[09:47:57] <dwarfyperson> man[09:48:06] <dwarfyperson> the quality scaling on dlink is so messed up[09:48:16] <dwarfyperson> I've got the 615 and it's a royal crudheap[09:48:49] <BePhantom> whats the best brand then?[09:48:56] <BePhantom> linksys?[09:49:04] <umccullough> for a switch? or a wireless router?[09:49:18] <BePhantom> wireless router[09:49:47] <umccullough> personally, i like the standard linksys models - but I don't need anything fancy, nor do I need N[09:50:03] <umccullough> wrt54gl is my preferred model :)[09:50:20] <thebolt> dwarfyperson: yea, some people have big problems.. i never had any at all, worked flawlessly both with this one and my previous one[09:51:00] <dwarfyperson> well, not really problems[09:51:04] <dwarfyperson> just slow and crap range[09:51:09] <BePhantom> i know that one, i helped a friend to configure it[09:51:15] <dwarfyperson> you get what you pay for though, I got it for 40 bucks[09:51:17] <hdanak> does dd-wrt support telnet/ssh?[09:51:20] <thebolt> never had any problem with that though..[09:51:55] <dwarfyperson> well, yeah[09:51:59] <dwarfyperson> that's what I'm saying[09:52:11] <umccullough> hdanak, it does[09:52:13] <dwarfyperson> the higher-end 6*5 ones are waaaaay better quality[09:52:24] <hdanak> my dsl modem had telnet enabled, you could toggle the LEDs remotely[09:52:25] <dwarfyperson> even the 625 is apparently a huge step up[09:52:35] <hdanak> cool if could be done on wifi router[09:52:47] <hdanak> cheap wireless robot...[09:52:55] <hdanak> well, cheaper at least[09:53:06] <umccullough> not sure i'd count fiddling LEDs as a robot[09:53:18] <gordonjcp> apparently on the WRT54G you can turn the switch LEDs on and off too[09:53:23] *** Hugen_ has quit IRC[09:53:29] <hdanak> well, chop off leds, connect a few transistors and your set[09:53:41] <umccullough> i know with dd-wrt you can turr the WAN port into a LAN port :)[09:53:41] <hdanak> well, maybe not "set" but can go from there[09:53:43] <gordonjcp> so you can use some of the GPIO lines that normally drive LEDs to work an SD card[09:54:12] <BePhantom> my router is Dlink DI-524 :P[09:54:13] <hdanak> iirc it supports serial output too, but no header on it[09:54:25] <gordonjcp> mobile phone cable...[09:54:26] <umccullough> gordonjcp, well the wrt54g supports a serial port and SD card mod too[09:56:34] <BePhantom> umccullough, how much does the wrt54gl cost there?[09:56:46] <umccullough> i think like $50[09:57:05] <umccullough> GL means it's easily flashable with 3rd party firmwares[09:57:06] <BePhantom> wow, that's cheap[09:57:16] <umccullough> comes with larger flash ram[09:57:17] <umccullough> rom[09:57:19] <umccullough> ram[09:57:45] <BePhantom> here is 100 dollars[09:57:49] <umccullough> oops, looks like the price went up to $65[09:58:07] <umccullough> oh wait, they're on sale for $60[09:58:13] <umccullough> at newegg[09:58:51] <umccullough> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124190\[09:58:53] <umccullough> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124190[09:59:17] *** M199 is now known as Master199[10:00:11] <BePhantom> wait, how fast is 802.3/3u?[10:00:46] <umccullough> 10/100[10:01:44] <umccullough> that's wired ethernet standard, not wireless[10:02:33] <BePhantom> oh[10:02:34] <BePhantom> i see[10:02:54] <BePhantom> excuse my newbieness[10:02:58] <umccullough> i only use my wireless routers for wireless connections and internet routing anyway, so the LAN speed doesn't really matter[10:03:15] <umccullough> the rest of my home network is on a couple of switches[10:03:26] <umccullough> which i'll soon be upgrading to gigabit :)[10:05:17] <hdanak> how do i use `patch` to patch the stack and tile diffs onto the haiku source[10:05:33] <hdanak> patch tells me to enter the location of each file in the patch[10:05:43] <umccullough> well, i haven't seen the patch, but usually its something like patch -p0 -i <patchfilename>[10:05:57] <umccullough> you gotta run it from within trunk i suspect[10:06:03] <umccullough> unless the paths in the patch are screwed[10:06:05] <hdanak> what is -i?[10:06:13] <hdanak> worked, thanks[10:06:24] <umccullough> input file[10:06:42] <umccullough> link to the patch?[10:06:44] <hdanak> so if you use -i you dont have to choose target?[10:06:49] <hdanak> http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku-development/Stack-Tile-for-Haiku[10:06:54] <umccullough> the target is the directory you're in[10:07:00] <hdanak> k[10:07:06] <umccullough> yeah, perfect[10:07:13] <umccullough> just navigate to the trunk[10:07:24] <umccullough> the same directory that has src/ headers/ build/ etc.[10:07:42] <umccullough> and then just type patch -p0 -i /path/to/patchfile.diff[10:07:43] <hdanak> yeah worked perfectly[10:08:17] <umccullough> i'm surprised[10:08:22] <umccullough> guess they've been keeping it updated :)[10:08:39] <hdanak> or just consistent[10:08:44] <umccullough> looks like its still based on 29540[10:08:49] <umccullough> well, it did break at one point[10:08:57] <hdanak> btw, still compiling[10:09:11] <umccullough> at one point, the patch was failing to apply i mean[10:10:06] <umccullough> time for sleep here i think[10:10:07] <umccullough> 'night[10:11:59] *** aljen has quit IRC[10:13:14] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[10:14:37] <BePhantom> night umccullough[10:27:30] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[10:29:52] *** Skar1 has left #haiku[10:45:55] <Teknomancer> morning[10:51:04] *** nibble has quit IRC[10:51:24] *** nibble has joined #haiku[10:56:13] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[11:00:29] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[11:00:29] *** nibble has quit IRC[11:00:30] *** Teknomancer has left #haiku[11:00:33] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[11:00:40] *** nibble has joined #haiku[11:08:38] *** rennj-be has quit IRC[11:11:31] *** dwarfyperson is now known as trolldwarf[11:13:47] *** nibble has quit IRC[11:13:59] *** nibble has joined #haiku[11:18:23] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[11:29:18] *** mattlacey_ has joined 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booting stops here on one machine of mine: http://pastebin.com/m3b7114bf[14:19:29] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[14:21:53] *** awpeter has joined #haiku[14:25:55] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[14:29:44] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[14:31:10] *** awpeter has quit IRC[14:32:24] <hdanak> could an object be accessed like an array? why is the fLines object (in src/kits/interface/TextView.cpp) sometimes used like an array -- (*fLines)[endLine ...] -- and sometimes like an object pointer -- fLines->NumLines(); ?[14:37:07] <hdanak> its defined of time LineBuffer[14:41:09] <mmadia> STELine *operator[](int32 index) const;[14:41:17] <mmadia> operator overloading[14:50:24] <helf|laptop> morning[14:51:26] <mmadia> hi helf|laptop[14:53:13] *** Karurosu_ has joined #haiku[14:55:40] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[14:55:47] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[14:57:02] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[14:57:07] <helf|laptop> ph my god[14:57:09] <helf|laptop> 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ocaml ?[15:49:22] <mmadia> s/mmadia/mmu_man ;){[15:52:33] <mmu_man> I don't really do any caml :p[15:52:54] <mmadia> maybe mlotz?[15:55:11] <mmu_man> mmlr yeah maybe[15:56:37] <helf|laptop> cool[15:56:57] <helf|laptop> sold me daydream for $250[15:57:02] <helf|laptop> ^_^[15:58:27] <Anarchos> i am confused by all these mmXXX :)[15:58:48] *** SiCuTDeUx__ has quit IRC[15:59:09] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[16:03:39] *** RHarmsen has quit IRC[16:14:08] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #haiku[16:17:23] *** Hugen_ has quit IRC[16:17:28] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[16:29:17] *** addos has quit IRC[16:29:17] *** nibble has quit IRC[16:29:23] *** nibble has joined #haiku[16:31:36] *** adamk has quit IRC[16:39:02] *** fcr_ has joined #haiku[16:39:27] *** fcr has quit IRC[16:47:15][16:54:49] *** aljen has joined #haiku[16:55:02] <aljen> hey[16:55:10] *** essiene has joined #haiku[16:57:06] <pfoetchen> YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!! http://pastebin.com/m281d7628[16:57:09] <pfoetchen> ;)[16:57:10] <pfoetchen> ;)[16:57:12] <pfoetchen> ;)[16:57:30] <mmadia> blogpost :P[16:57:46] <pfoetchen> yep will do that ;)[17:01:12] <helf|laptop> sweet[17:01:21] <helf|laptop> i looked at the nasa feed right when they did a burn[17:01:23] <helf|laptop> ^_^[17:04:18] <umccullough> heh[17:04:31] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[17:04:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[17:06:11] <gordonjcp> pfoetchen: sweeet[17:06:24] <umccullough> pfoetchen, so that's a gumstix flash.img?[17:06:50] <umccullough> or, is that part of the qemu build?[17:08:27] *** naaina has joined #haiku[17:08:29] <pfoetchen> it's the gumstix flash image without the kernel[17:09:37] <umccullough> of to work, ttyl![17:10:02] *** essiene has quit IRC[17:14:45] *** SiCuTDeUx_ has joined #haiku[17:20:28] *** luroh has joined #haiku[17:30:34] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[17:35:29] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[17:35:44] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[17:35:55] *** Kernel86 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Looks to me like a segmentation fault is occurring[18:01:09] <El_Al> maybe a compiler error??[18:03:13] <El_Al> I'm going to do another memtest on the machine, I'm beginning to think it has some faulty memory[18:09:36] <helf|laptop> anyone wanna call dibs on a matched pair of 1.4ghz pentium III-s tualatins with FC-PGA II socket adapters?[18:09:40] <helf|laptop> before i put them on ebay[18:09:46] <helf|laptop> the socket adapters are damn hard to find now[18:10:53] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[18:11:05] <MikeW> Anyone seen kancept around these parts lately?[18:11:07] <luroh> El_Al: wanna paste the output?[18:11:34] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[18:11:42] <helf|laptop> MikeW, i see him on AIM some[18:12:07] <MikeW> helf|laptop: ah, didn't know he doesn't do IRC[18:13:17] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:13:18] <MikeW> I just saw that he was one of the main guys with trying to get haiku to work on a dell mini 9[18:13:29] <helf|laptop> kancept is?[18:13:57] <MikeW> according to http://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/haiku_on_dell_mini9[18:14:19] *** jurre has joined #haiku[18:14:30] <El_Al> luroh: right now I'm doing memtest86. Not looking good! I definately have some errors on Test 5. I may have to take the offending module out and throw it away! :([18:14:43] <luroh> ouch :/[18:15:03] *** jurre has left #haiku[18:15:39] <El_Al> 4 errors in total, I guess this is causing me no end of problems trying to build Haiku[18:17:33] *** Disreali_ has joined #haiku[18:18:20] <helf|laptop> need more ram?[18:18:48] <helf|laptop> i have a 1gb stick of pc2-4200 if anyone wants it[18:21:52] <El_Al> helf|laptop: yeah I do, but mine is good old pc3200[18:22:08] <helf|laptop> i have some 256mb modules of ddr[18:22:13] <helf|laptop> 2100 to 2700 speed, iirc[18:23:06] <El_Al> what I think I'll do is just buy 2x 1gb sticks and be done with it....[18:24:27] <El_Al> Iv'e just pulld what seems to be the offending stick out! Running memtes86 on the remaining 512 mb seems to be fine...[18:25:15] *** hisoka999 has joined #haiku[18:25:44] *** lorenzo64 has joined #haiku[18:31:11] *** awpeter has joined #haiku[18:33:27] * Disreali is away: I'm not really here[18:34:25] *** awpeter has left #haiku[18:36:52] *** Monni has joined #Haiku[18:37:03] *** wtracy has joined #haiku[18:38:21] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[18:38:37] *** thotypous has quit IRC[18:41:03] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[18:41:09] * Disreali_ is idle: BRB[18:49:54] <pyCube> yay and stuff[18:53:57] *** El_Al has quit IRC[18:53:58] *** Hugen_ has joined #haiku[18:54:01] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[18:54:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[18:54:17] *** lorenzo64 has quit IRC[18:58:08] *** nibble has quit IRC[18:58:22] *** nibble has joined #haiku[19:00:19] *** umccullough_w has joined #haiku[19:03:05] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[19:03:23] *** umccullough_w has quit IRC[19:05:46] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[19:14:16] *** philcostin has joined #haiku[19:16:41] *** _-Caleb-_ has quit IRC[19:19:28] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[19:20:09] *** tqh has quit IRC[19:23:33] <pyCube> hehe.. neato http://www.joblo.com/index.php?id=26567[19:25:08] *** Elledan is now known as hackkitten[19:28:56] *** mmadia has quit IRC[19:31:51] *** lorenzo64 has joined #haiku[19:32:41] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[19:33:16] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[19:36:14] *** Hugen_ has quit IRC[19:37:51] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[19:39:03] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[19:42:20] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[19:52:21] <BePhantom> pyCube, imax 3d... cool :)[19:54:15] *** geist has quit IRC[19:54:25] *** geist has joined #haiku[19:54:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o geist[19:54:40] <pyCube> hehe.. yeah. imax 3d is fun[19:54:55] *** wtracy has quit IRC[19:55:19] <helf|laptop> any good?[19:55:48] <pyCube> ?[19:56:29] <helf|laptop> woops, ww[19:56:34] <helf|laptop> hi cube[19:56:47] <pyCube> hi helf|laptop[19:57:34] *** Bumphead has quit IRC[19:57:35] *** arigayas has quit IRC[19:57:35] *** stpere has quit IRC[19:57:35] *** stpere_ has joined #haiku[19:57:41] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[19:57:42] * BePhantom waves at helf|laptop[19:57:51] <helf|laptop> hi[19:57:55] *** arigayas has joined #haiku[19:57:57] <pyCube> help|laptop: my car did 360 miles @ 70-90mph on 12.5 gallons of fuel..[19:57:58] <BePhantom> :D hello[19:58:22] *** Bumphead has joined #haiku[19:58:37] <helf|laptop> 29mpg is pretty god :)[19:59:08] <pyCube> yeah, i was happy[19:59:32] <helf|laptop> my sisters volvo s40t with a 1.4liter turbo 4 banger avg'd about 27mpg while doing between 80-120 for 4 hours with AC full blast :)[19:59:41] <helf|laptop> i wish my van did as good as yours and hers...[20:00:11] <helf|laptop> pyCube, i averaged 21mpg on my 750 mile trip to texas with all windows open in my van with cruise between 75-79mph. not bad[20:00:35] <pyCube> heh[20:00:59] <helf|laptop> for a 3600lbs boxy vehicle and a 4.3ltr v6, that was good :P[20:01:02] <pyCube> i am glad i didnt have to drive to/through texas[20:01:10] <pyCube> yeah.. its not bad at all for a van[20:01:17] *** atomozero has joined #haiku[20:01:37] <helf|laptop> it sucks[20:02:27] <JonathanThompson> Life sucks![20:02:41] <JonathanThompson> (Or it blows, and death sucks, therefore making a perfectly balanced match!)[20:04:37] <BePhantom> im do 301 miles with 9 gallons in my 406[20:05:50] <atomozero> 9 gallons..why dont use lt?[20:07:07] <BePhantom> 500km with 35L[20:07:17] <BePhantom> there you go :)[20:07:51] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[20:10:22] <pyCube> how many hogsheads to the fathom?[20:10:37] <BePhantom> that's in the open road[20:10:46] <pyCube> wait.. how many fathoms to the hogshead[20:12:09] *** [Katisu]_m has joined #haiku[20:15:06] <Teknomancer> hmm[20:15:49] <atomozero> whit my fiat punto 500kw whit 12€ :) i love metano! :D[20:16:08] *** addos has joined #haiku[20:22:00] *** Hodapp_ is now known as Hodapp[20:22:06] *** lorglas has quit IRC[20:23:06] <BePhantom> fiat punto is nice :)[20:28:21] *** atomozero has quit IRC[20:28:56] <philcostin> My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it[20:30:08] *** Geoz has quit IRC[20:30:11] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[20:30:11] *** [Katisu]_m is now known as [Katisu][20:34:07] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[20:40:26] <pyCube> how many rods to the stewart?[20:41:27] *** markos_ has quit IRC[20:45:56] *** lorglas has quit IRC[20:47:36] <BePhantom> :D[20:48:26] <CIA-20> stippi * r30802 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/mediaplayer/VideoView.cpp: Auto-hide cursor after 2 secs already, thanks Axel, for the suggestion.[20:52:30] *** _-Caleb-_ has joined #haiku[20:53:16] *** nibble has quit IRC[20:54:46] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[20:55:31] *** SprMa has left #haiku[20:56:15] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[20:56:48] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[20:57:01] *** Hugen_ has joined #haiku[20:57:07] <Hugen_> re[21:01:18] *** _maniac_ has joined #haiku[21:03:57] *** expensivelesbian has joined #haiku[21:06:32] *** lorenzo64 has quit IRC[21:07:27] *** lorglas has quit IRC[21:07:57] *** korli has joined #haiku[21:07:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[21:12:40] <expensivelesbian> hi all. with the disclaimer that the haiku image I dd'ed is abotu a week old... is there an issue with ogg files not playing "out of the box" in Haiku?[21:12:41] *** oco has joined #haiku[21:13:14] *** Bumphead has quit IRC[21:13:17] <expensivelesbian> I'll dd a new image sometime this week, to rule that out[21:17:51] *** nibble has joined #haiku[21:22:14] *** redblue has joined #haiku[21:26:14] <luroh> expensivelesbian: no, you're right, playfile doesn't play it either[21:26:54] <expensivelesbian> I had an issue with flac files also, but I dunno if that's a gpl thing or not[21:27:11] <expensivelesbian> well, flac would play in VLC, not media player[21:29:09] *** vision has joined #haiku[21:30:10] *** _-Caleb-_ has quit IRC[21:30:42] <luroh> try running playfile in a terminal with the vorbis file as argument, it spits out some interesting things[21:31:40] *** vision is now known as _-Caleb-_[21:31:52] <luroh> there seems to be some sniffer rule that doesn't like the odor of vorbis[21:35:05] <JonathanThompson> That stinks![21:35:11] * JonathanThompson had to throw that in there[21:35:19] <luroh> :P[21:35:33] <dr_evil> playfile doesn't use any sniffer rules[21:35:59] <luroh> hmm[21:36:22] <dr_evil> it's pretty simple, and directly uses BMediaFile[21:36:22] <dr_evil> http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source/xref/src/bin/playsound/playfile.cpp[21:36:57] *** expensivelesbian has left #haiku[21:37:46] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[21:39:17] <luroh> ah, i see. the sniffing stuff it spits out relate to asfReader and mkvReader only[21:42:39] *** senryu has joined #Haiku[21:42:45] *** senryu has quit IRC[21:44:22] <dr_evil> korli, mmu_man please see line 67 in http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source/xref/src/bin/playsound/playfile.cpp[21:45:11] <addos> what is the easiest way to make a live cd of haiku?[21:45:26] <dr_evil> shouldn't we (re-)set the playFormat to wildcard in that loop before setting the type? for ix > 0[21:50:55] *** expensivelesbian has joined #haiku[21:51:02] <luroh> addos: imo, install ubuntu, then go here -> http://www.haiku-os.org/documents/dev/building_haiku_on_ubuntu_linux_step_by_step and jam -q haiku-cd[21:51:53] <expensivelesbian> luroh well, playfile worked. I've no idea if the message it spat out was good or not. I'll have to start filing bugs, questions when I can get a network connection inside Haiku[21:52:26] <expensivelesbian> I tried a GCC4 build, top of the page in haiku-files currently[21:52:48] <luroh> expensivelesbian: oh right, i'm an idiot - i forgot to include OSS in my vmware image :|[21:53:01] <luroh> no wonder it didn't make a sound[21:53:06] <mmadia> luroh , the instruction in SVN are the most accurate these days.[21:53:20] <expensivelesbian> oh, does GCC4 build come with OSS by default?[21:53:39] <mmadia> http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/haiku/haiku/trunk/docs/userguide/en/installation/[21:53:44] <expensivelesbian> I don't have any real reason to use GCC4 over the standard offering[21:53:46] <luroh> mmadia: oh, that's right, thanks, forgot those as well[21:54:25] *** gr00ber has joined #haiku[21:54:27] <gr00ber> boo[21:54:48] <luroh> expensivelesbian: no, i don't think OSS comes by default[21:55:11] <hdanak> are there updated doxygen docs anywhere?[21:55:14] <mmadia> nope, OSS has the possibility of causing some driver-based conflicts.[21:55:43] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[21:55:45] <hdanak> i tried building doxy docs from source, but it was taking way too long[21:56:04] <expensivelesbian> right, OK. Well, like I say, when I get networking solved, I can probably be morehelpful/annoying about Haiku bugs then. Till then, it's a bit of a faff to make a note of things, boot out, get to an OS that can connect to bug trackers etc.[21:57:12] <hdanak> where can i find the doxyfile for the "haiku book"?[21:57:54] <mmadia> i'm really not sure who works no that these days, hdanak[21:58:09] <gr00ber> expensivelesbian, how expensive?[21:58:55] <hdanak> mmadia: is there any other source search/browse tool online? i know trac does it, but i can't seem to search through it[21:59:05] <hdanak> and it doesn't have the nice api layout[21:59:37] <hdanak> right now i'm stuck with find/grep[21:59:41] <korli> dr_evil yes probably[22:00:02] *** hdanak has quit IRC[22:00:05] <mmadia> Source search: http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source hda[22:01:05] <BePhantom> pfoetchen, you Johannes?[22:01:14] <pfoetchen> yep[22:01:30] <BePhantom> pfoetchen, good luck with arm port :)[22:01:34] <expensivelesbian> oh, one other thing, from my brief bit of testing today. Pe, I notice it's aware of HTML and does the syntax highlighting/colouring. Is it aware of any other languages? I tried Ruby and Javascript and it didn't appear to be[22:01:57] <pfoetchen> BePhantom: now comes the hard part ;)[22:02:02] *** brechtm has joined #haiku[22:02:17] <mmadia> brechtm !![22:02:19] <BePhantom> pfoetchen, hehe :D[22:02:48] <brechtm> hello[22:03:24] <mmadia> did you get a chance to send daniel the complete user+pass hash file for HaikuPorts?[22:04:26] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[22:04:39] <mmadia> Source search: http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source hdanak[22:04:56] <hdanak> mmadia: thanks[22:05:20] <luroh> expensivelesbian: i would be surprised if it doesn't do c++[22:05:22] <brechtm> mmadia: I kind of forgot about that :/[22:05:33] <brechtm> I will do that now[22:05:51] <expensivelesbian> luroh hehe, well, yes :-) The daddy mack of languages is out of my league alas[22:06:34] <BePhantom> pfoetchen, thanks for the hard work :)[22:06:42] <pfoetchen> ;)[22:06:47] *** _maniac_ has quit IRC[22:06:58] *** _maniac_ has joined #haiku[22:08:21] <hdanak> mmadia: man, this is infinitely better than find/grep[22:09:02] <pfoetchen> BePhantom now I have to start with all this virtual memmory stuff so I will have quite some reading to do... So the next step will probably take some time to complete[22:09:24] <gr00ber> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_udqEp_YR4[22:09:56] <mmadia> thank you brechtm , that was one of the last items for the FTP site.[22:10:21] *** djiin has quit IRC[22:10:33] <mmadia> I even recreated the directory structure of HaikuPorts' svn trunk repository.[22:11:26] <BePhantom> pfoetchen, one step at a time mate :)[22:16:56] *** djiin has joined #haiku[22:17:53] *** BePhantom_ has joined #haiku[22:22:20] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[22:23:07] <BePhantom_> what happens if someone take the haiku source, and makes a lot of tweaking and fixes many bugs, that person is not forced to submit his modifications right?[22:24:18] <_maniac_> inb4 GPL/BSD flame[22:24:32] <BePhantom_> no, just a simple question[22:24:42] <expensivelesbian> BePhantom that's correct[22:24:46] <BePhantom_> oh ok[22:25:18] *** gr00ber has quit IRC[22:26:16] <expensivelesbian> BSD/MIT license allows you to do that. The way I understood it was, BSD coders code so good code is out there, irrespective of how others wish to use it further (closed or open). But. it's all a personal choice as to why one chooses one license over the other I suppose[22:27:37] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[22:28:02] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[22:28:19] <BePhantom_> expensivelesbian, thanks[22:28:44] <Begasus> evening peeps[22:28:44] <philcostin> I don't think we have to worry about someone taking it and turning it into a commercial success.. they will look take one what happened to Be and Zeta and leave it alone (or contribute some code) - I'm looking forward to haiku's awesome open source future and I think MIT was the right choice (for me at least)[22:28:53] <BePhantom_> _maniac_, see? no flaming :)[22:29:52] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[22:32:26] *** Darknesss has joined #haiku[22:33:30] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[22:36:08] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[22:36:28] <CIA-20> zooey * r30803 /haiku/trunk/data/system/data/KeyboardLayouts/ (Kinesis Advantage Kinesis Ergo Elan International):[22:36:28] <CIA-20> * added layouts for the Kinesis "Advantage" and "Ergo Elan" contoured keyboards[22:36:28] <CIA-20> Ingo / Axel: please shout if the Advantage isn't correct - I could only test[22:36:28] <CIA-20> with my Ergo Elan (the international version).[22:37:07] <BePhantom_> "zooey" awesome nick :D[22:37:21] *** korli has quit IRC[22:39:43] *** hisoka999 has quit IRC[22:40:14] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[22:40:34] *** awpeter has joined #haiku[22:41:40] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[22:44:23] <philcostin> do we have SDL in haiku?[22:44:47] <philcostin> (i.e. is it part of the Game Kit or similar)[22:44:54] <Begasus> not standard[22:45:02] <Begasus> but there are downloads on haiku ports[22:45:09] <philcostin> ah thanks I'll check it out[22:45:12] <Begasus> np[22:45:59] *** PulkoMandy is now known as MandyPulko[22:48:01] *** _-Caleb-_ has quit IRC[22:50:53] <philcostin> I assume I extract it to /boot ?[22:51:09] <philcostin> there is a folder in there "common"[22:53:07] <Begasus> yep[22:53:14] <Begasus> just check the contents to be sure[22:53:28] <philcostin> ok thanks :)[22:55:20] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[22:56:14] *** brechtm has quit IRC[22:57:20] *** ulterior_modem has quit IRC[22:59:56] *** awpeter has quit IRC[23:03:11] *** awpeter has joined #haiku[23:03:27] *** addos has quit IRC[23:21:24] *** philcostin has quit IRC[23:24:26] *** mmadia has quit IRC[23:25:56] <MandyPulko> +++[23:27:02] *** MandyPulko has quit IRC[23:42:36] <Hugen_> re[23:42:40] <Hugen_> http://tiltos.com/drupal/[23:42:52] <Hugen_> gcc4 rulez[23:42:54] <CIA-20> mmu_man * r30804 /haiku/trunk/src/data/beos_mime/text/x-source-code: Some more extensions for souce code type.[23:42:55] <Hugen_> :)[23:46:15] *** urnenfeld has left #haiku[23:47:23] *** redblue has quit IRC[23:48:05] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[23:49:27] *** Begasus has quit IRC[23:51:28] *** Hugen_ has quit IRC[23:52:05] *** redblue has joined #haiku[23:52:45] *** redblue is now known as redb1ue[23:54:03] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[23:58:40] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[23:59:24] *** Darknesss has quit IRC