May 18, 2009 
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May 18, 2009 [00:00:20] <JonathanThompson> Agreed, gordonjcp: only get things as complex as you need to to accomplish your goals.[00:00:29] <pyCube__> good thing thats not how it works in the real world[00:00:41] <gordonjcp> pfoetchen: I love ubuntu because I can configure every little thing I want but generally don't need to[00:03:53] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[00:03:59] <pfoetchen> gordonjcp: yes but you have a lot more running that you don't need on ubuntu and tools changing the configuration you just changed manually and stuff like that.... ( I like ubuntu, too but thats not the OS I would want to use ;) )[00:04:28] <gordonjcp> I've never really come across "tools changing the configuration you just changed manually"[00:04:29] <pfoetchen> and I just love portage and USE-flags ;)[00:04:31] <gordonjcp> well[00:04:35] <gordonjcp> not specifically on Ubuntu[00:04:52] <gordonjcp> things like dhcpcd *do* change files, but then that's the whole idea[00:04:58] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[00:05:14] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[00:05:22] <gordonjcp> pfoetchen: I don't see any point in compiling standard packages from source[00:05:33] <pfoetchen> I had that once but then I found out that I should have used dpkg-reconfigure and that did the job... ;)[00:05:44] *** nibble has quit IRC[00:05:53] *** nibble has joined #haiku[00:05:57] <pfoetchen> gordonjcp: it's faster ;) ( not really ... )[00:06:47] <gordonjcp> I compile *some* things from source, typically audio apps[00:06:55] <gordonjcp> because Ubuntu lags a long way behind[00:07:46] <pfoetchen> compiling standard packages has advantages if you want to achieve speciall effects ( for example if you want to change your libc and stuff like that)[00:07:58] <BePhantom> it gets on my nerves when some people think they are elite and say the rest is dumb. It's like if i buy a car and just want to use it but i dont know how the engine works or the chemical reactions or the physical processes, does that make me stupid? i just want turn the key and drive :D[00:08:07] <gordonjcp> gordonjcp@kusanagi:~/Desktop$ apt-cache show nekobee | grep Version[00:08:07] <gordonjcp> Version: 0.1.6-1build1[00:08:10] <gordonjcp> ^ ancient[00:08:54] <gordonjcp> BePhantom: it helps to know a *bit* about how your car works[00:09:10] <gordonjcp> in most countries you need to know at least basic maintenance to get your licence[00:09:14] *** nibble has quit IRC[00:09:15] <pfoetchen> and for specialised packages it's quite cool for example the standard links browser has no graphics in ubuntu but you can enable them with a simple useflag in gentoo (and links has a relay cool graphics mode ;) )[00:09:17] *** nibble has joined #haiku[00:09:18] *** zer0rez has joined #haiku[00:11:36] <gordonjcp> pfoetchen: you still need to waste time compiling it[00:12:09] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[00:12:57] <Rakhun> but it can be combined with other timewasting, like sleeping :)[00:13:12] <BePhantom> hehe[00:13:58] <BePhantom> or watch a Lost season 5 marathon[00:14:03] <BePhantom> :)[00:14:56] <BePhantom> you should watch it btw, it's great :)[00:15:03] <gordonjcp> I don't like watching TV[00:15:11] <gordonjcp> I haven't got the attention span for it[00:15:26] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[00:15:53] <gordonjcp> you could compress a typical hour-long show into a dozen pages of a short story that would take maybe five to ten minutes to read[00:22:20] *** MrSunshine__ has joined #haiku[00:22:37] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[00:23:24] <BePhantom> hey JonathanThompson, how did the thing with the thing go? any luck getting the thing back?[00:23:44] <JonathanThompson> Hasn't happened yet :([00:23:52] <BePhantom> crap :P[00:24:28] <JonathanThompson> Regardless of all that, I'm definitely looking at downsizing my footprint/rent because I figure there will be many years of unemployment/underemployment/stagflation/deflation/inflation.[00:24:53] <JonathanThompson> Or something along those lines that says the wisest thing is to live as cheaply as possible and store as much cash away as possible.[00:25:00] <BePhantom> you'll have to move out of your mansion[00:25:06] <BePhantom> in beverly hills[00:25:07] <BePhantom> :D[00:25:29] <JonathanThompson> Not exactly a mansion or Beverly Hills, but I could be in a far worse, smaller apartment in a worse place ;)[00:26:10] <BePhantom> you could move to a foreign country, much cheaper[00:26:17] <JonathanThompson> But I've come up with a general modular furniture design concept that would allow me to actually have more total useful space for storing things while also having more seating/bedding while also fitting inside an efficiency/studio apartment.[00:26:30] <JonathanThompson> All while also making it much easier to move, as needed, too.[00:26:51] <BePhantom> modular furniture is great, yes[00:27:04] <BePhantom> great space saver[00:27:35] <JonathanThompson> I figure if I do it right, other than mattresses or furniture stuffing, nothing will exceed 4'*4'*2' and will be reasonably carried by a single person for a module.[00:27:51] <JonathanThompson> And as long as you contain all your stuff within each of the modules, you'll never need temporary boxes, either.[00:28:43] <JonathanThompson> It wouldn't all fit within one small car at one time, but if needed, you could do a bunch of trips with a single module in each car load.[00:29:11] <gordonjcp> JonathanThompson: you can fit a king-size mattress into the back of a Citroen AX[00:29:28] * JonathanThompson doesn't think those are available around here :D[00:29:34] <gordonjcp> you probably want to be fairly short though, or be capable of driving with the seat pushed fully forwards[00:29:46] <JonathanThompson> Well, there's the mattress, but then there's the box springs, which often don't bend :D[00:30:25] <JonathanThompson> Typical couches (well, the ones in the US, anyway) often can't be carried by anything much smaller than a pickup truck.[00:30:32] <JonathanThompson> And furniture like that, too.[00:30:46] <gordonjcp> I bought one to use while my other cars were off the road, and the guy who runs the garage I bought it from said to keep it when I get the others repaired[00:30:52] <JonathanThompson> I'd like to make all of the furniture easy to move, period.[00:30:59] <gordonjcp> and hang it on davits off the back, so I can winch it down when I need it[00:31:03] <gordonjcp> like a lifeboat[00:31:39] <JonathanThompson> The ideal case: every single piece can be carried out by a single person without help to a vehicle, and also full reassembled by a single person without help.[00:32:09] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[00:32:22] <JonathanThompson> (Keeping in mind there will be reasonable strength requirements for such things: pure wimps need not apply, as you cannot change the laws of physics, you still have the weight of wood/whatever, and whatever is stored)[00:33:12] <gordonjcp> maybe wood isn't the best material for this[00:33:22] <JonathanThompson> Well, for certain parts, it is.[00:33:29] <JonathanThompson> At least, for what's readily workable and cheap.[00:33:33] <gordonjcp> true[00:33:42] <gordonjcp> cheap and readily workable buys a whole lot of yes[00:33:46] <JonathanThompson> I need structural member material, as things will be on a platform.[00:33:59] <JonathanThompson> So, the main material of choice: plywood.[00:34:06] <gordonjcp> I might be moving house soon[00:34:08] <JonathanThompson> Rather strong, while being fairly cheap, and easily worked.[00:34:22] <JonathanThompson> And dimensionally stable.[00:34:30] <gordonjcp> at least I can get everything into a single truckload[00:34:39] <JonathanThompson> And fairly light: far better than OSB or other particle types of stuff.[00:35:17] <gordonjcp> yeah, MDF is pretty heavy[00:35:26] <BePhantom> i was on the phone with my mother[00:35:30] <JonathanThompson> For the furniture for sitting, I'll use some sort of memory foam.[00:35:41] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, theres a great couch we call "puff"[00:35:44] <JonathanThompson> That'll be the most expensive part, I anticipate, to get good stuff.[00:35:49] <BePhantom> let me find the english name[00:35:51] <BePhantom> its great[00:36:04] * JonathanThompson suspects he knows what it is...[00:36:06] <gordonjcp> the good thing about MDF is that it's pretty much dimensionally stable[00:36:07] <JonathanThompson> Futon?[00:36:19] <gordonjcp> although if it gets wet it completely falls apart[00:36:26] <JonathanThompson> Well, I need to be able to put people all over the surface of the furniture :)[00:36:29] <gordonjcp> what do you call that plywood stuff with the grain parallel?[00:36:36] <JonathanThompson> And wetness won't be good to be destructive...[00:36:44] <JonathanThompson> Fiberboard/chipboard?[00:36:52] <JonathanThompson> Or Oriented Strand Board?[00:37:13] <gordonjcp> nope[00:37:15] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, this is a puff http://www.smarcos.com.uy/Muebles/puff.jpg how you call it there?[00:37:27] <JonathanThompson> Bean bag ![00:37:32] *** MrSunshine_ has quit IRC[00:37:49] * JonathanThompson already has one fairly small bean bag, not nearly good enough[00:37:58] <BePhantom> yes, bean bag, those are great you should get one[00:38:09] <JonathanThompson> I wonder if that's a bean bag, or has something more comfy inside :)[00:38:22] <JonathanThompson> Well, they don't work in a lot of cases, BePhantom :D[00:38:35] <gordonjcp> JonathanThompson: laminated veneer board, apparently[00:38:42] <JonathanThompson> Oh, ok.[00:38:56] <gordonjcp> rather than having crossed grains it's parallel[00:39:01] <JonathanThompson> Well, I've not finalized the design of my furniture.[00:39:13] <gordonjcp> right, bedtime, nearly midnight[00:39:15] <JonathanThompson> I have most of the principles and general design laid out.[00:39:16] <gordonjcp> later, all[00:39:16] *** kirilla has quit IRC[00:39:20] <JonathanThompson> Seeya, gordonjcp[00:39:33] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, prolly pvc pellets[00:39:58] <JonathanThompson> I used to be able to get comfortable in one a lot better when I was lighter and smaller :D[00:40:17] <JonathanThompson> I'm no shrimp, though, and it'd take a huge one to work decently.[00:41:27] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, i have one but with very small polyfan balls[00:42:07] <BePhantom> very light and comfortable[00:42:42] <JonathanThompson> I'm not really that concerned about the weight: more about comfort and being big enough for that for me :)[00:42:56] <JonathanThompson> Even if it were full of actual beans, I'd be able to move them readily enough.[00:43:06] <JonathanThompson> (Even easier once I ate enough beans!)[00:43:22] <JonathanThompson> Edible furniture FTW![00:43:52] *** hdanak has left #haiku[00:44:58] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, you should get one of these for your apartment, really movable http://www.sanitarioquimico.com.ar/images/bathroom.jpg[00:44:59] <BePhantom> :D[00:45:17] * JonathanThompson slaps BePhantom with used toilet paper[00:45:41] <BePhantom> haha[00:46:12] * BePhantom dodges and hits pyCube on his face[00:47:12] <BePhantom> im having mate :)[00:47:36] <BePhantom> sometimes i wish i lived in the US[00:48:21] <BePhantom> computer hardware is so cheap there[00:48:25] <BePhantom> :P[00:48:32] *** _-Caleb-_ has quit IRC[00:53:33] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[01:00:56] *** Geoz has quit IRC[01:02:09] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[01:04:01] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[01:04:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[01:07:35] *** nibble is now known as nibble\sleep[01:08:03] *** adamk has quit IRC[01:20:21] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[01:21:24] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[01:23:48] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[01:24:56] *** yoritomo has quit IRC[01:29:19] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[01:29:32] *** luroh has quit IRC[01:36:32] *** Negr0 has quit IRC[01:39:51] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[01:44:10] *** oco has quit IRC[01:48:44] *** DBAlex has quit IRC[01:55:46] *** pyCube__ has quit IRC[01:58:06] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[01:58:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[02:08:35] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[02:15:43] *** knottnhupfer has joined #haiku[02:17:31] <CIA-20> stippi * r30784 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/ColorControl.cpp:[02:17:31] <CIA-20> * Removed unnecessary code and simplified some places in the drawing code paths.[02:17:31] <CIA-20> * Calling BTextView::SetText() will invoke Window()->UpdateIfNeeded(), maybe[02:17:31] <CIA-20> since some recent changes only - we should perhaps look into this... (zooey),[02:17:31] <CIA-20> but the problem was that we called BControl::SetValueNoUpdate() after that,[02:17:31] <CIA-20> and thus we were drawing the color mark at the old offset and the invalidation[02:17:35] <CIA-20> in SetValue() was rendered effectless. Fixes #3719.[02:20:06] *** fcr has joined #haiku[02:21:21] <CIA-20> stippi * r30785 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/ColorControl.cpp: Removed debugging left-over... sorry.[02:41:03] *** witukind has joined #haiku[02:43:43] *** witukind has quit IRC[02:44:45] *** witukind has joined #haiku[02:51:31] *** helf2 has joined #haiku[02:53:24] <helf2> hi[02:54:14] <mmadia> gh[02:57:21] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[03:00:20] <helf2> hi matt[03:00:23] <helf2> hows things ? :)[03:01:08] <mmadia> not too shabby.[03:01:14] <helf2> awesome[03:04:10] *** euzao has joined #haiku[03:04:17] <euzao> hey, how is Haiku?[03:04:29] <helf2> good[03:04:33] <helf2> just got over swine flu[03:04:37] <helf2> but not doing too bad[03:04:59] <mmadia> were you in huntersville? :P[03:05:09] <helf2> no, haiku was though[03:05:13] <helf2> haiku just got over swine flue[03:05:14] <helf2> flu[03:10:16] *** rkbm_ has quit IRC[03:11:08] <CIA-20> mmlr * r30786 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/stack/net_socket.cpp:[03:11:08] <CIA-20> Implement the FIONREAD ioctl for sockets. We already supported it in userland[03:11:08] <CIA-20> but the kernel part was missing. It is used to query for the buffer size that[03:11:08] <CIA-20> can be retrieved using recv(). It returns the same value we use for the read[03:11:08] <CIA-20> select().[03:11:25] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[03:13:37] *** redblue has joined #haiku[03:15:30] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[03:15:34] * JonathanThompson poits helf2[03:16:01] <JonathanThompson> helf2: did you feel an overabundant urge to go OINK?[03:16:25] <helf2> no :P[03:17:08] * JonathanThompson pulls helf2's little pigtail[03:20:54] *** Bumphead has joined #haiku[03:29:17] *** euzao has quit IRC[03:51:30] *** thotypous has quit IRC[03:51:39] * BePhantom is watching Quantum Leap[03:51:49] <helf2> i love quantum leap :)[03:52:12] *** Megaf_ has joined #Haiku[03:53:18] <BePhantom> pretty neat show[03:53:33] <BePhantom> I also like Sliders, til season 3 :P then it goes to the dogs[03:56:40] <helf2> yeah[03:56:44] <helf2> watched first wave?[03:56:52] <helf2> i liked it, never got to see the whole thing[04:04:24] <BePhantom> no, never heard of it[04:05:02] <helf2> its kewl[04:12:55] <AlienSoldier> helf2 as cool as this? http://www.gametrailers.com/video/japanese-debut-muscle-march/49346[04:13:17] <helf2> ha[04:15:25] <helf2> id totally play that[04:15:25] <helf2> D:[04:15:50] *** zer0rez has quit IRC[04:18:42] *** fran has joined #haiku[04:18:58] *** zer0rez has joined #haiku[04:27:19] *** RandomInsano has joined #haiku[04:32:02] *** dwarfyperson has joined #haiku[04:36:33] *** fcr has quit IRC[05:05:42] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[05:17:06] *** witukind has quit IRC[05:19:14] *** zer0rez has quit IRC[05:28:13] *** helf2 has quit IRC[05:31:57] *** Disreali has quit IRC[05:40:14] *** fran is now known as fcr[05:49:07] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[05:55:10] *** Megaf_ has quit IRC[06:11:52] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[06:11:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[06:13:33] <redblue> mmu_man =)[06:14:57] <mmu_man> plop[06:21:46] *** Hugen_ has joined #haiku[06:21:52] <Hugen_> hey[06:23:02] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[06:37:36] *** Hugen_ has quit IRC[06:42:17] *** fcr_ has joined #haiku[06:43:19] *** fcr has quit IRC[06:43:25] *** fcr_ is now known as fct[06:43:29] *** fct is now known as fcr[06:45:04] *** fcr has joined #haiku[06:58:24] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[07:05:16] *** mmlr has joined #haiku[07:10:13] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[07:14:23] *** koo5 has joined #haiku[07:26:00] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[07:37:08] *** mmlr_ has joined #haiku[07:37:08] *** mmlr has quit IRC[07:37:24] *** mmlr_ is now known as mmlr[07:38:42] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[08:01:32] <BePhantom> Saturday 30th first haiku meeting in Buenos Aires, you're all welcome :)[08:06:20] <MrSunshine__> you pay for ticket? ;)[08:07:17] <BePhantom> sure, bus ticket from the airport :D[08:07:49] <BePhantom> but really, there's a meeting[08:07:54] <BePhantom> :)[08:08:04] <BePhantom> first of many i hope ;)[08:12:06] *** koo5 has quit IRC[08:12:17] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[08:27:03] *** mmlr has quit IRC[08:27:38] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[08:46:49] *** mmlr has joined #haiku[08:50:23] *** koo5 has joined #haiku[08:50:36] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[08:52:00] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[08:52:33] *** wackymacs has joined #haiku[08:56:52] *** salvatore_ has joined #haiku[09:01:10] *** clay_ has joined #haiku[09:03:45] *** redblue has quit IRC[09:06:46] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[09:09:44] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #haiku[09:16:23] *** salvatore__ has joined #haiku[09:16:39] *** salvatore_ has quit IRC[09:22:25] *** expensivelesbian has joined #haiku[09:26:17] *** redblue has joined #haiku[09:30:35] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[09:48:08] *** paul0 has quit IRC[10:06:15] *** fran has joined #haiku[10:09:33] *** wackymacs has left #haiku[10:13:55] *** fran has quit IRC[10:22:42] *** rkbm has joined #haiku[10:28:43] *** Svarthandske has joined #haiku[10:29:39] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[10:33:35] *** Elledan has joined #haiku[10:42:19] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[10:45:06] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[10:47:48] *** hackkitten has quit IRC[10:47:50] *** Maya-sama has quit IRC[10:48:01] *** Maya-sama has joined #haiku[10:50:48] *** RandomInsano has quit IRC[10:50:54] *** andguent has quit IRC[10:52:05] *** andguent has joined #haiku[10:54:27] *** expensivelesbian has quit IRC[10:56:37] <Teknomancer> morning[10:59:52] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[11:06:19] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[11:06:43] <CIA-20> axeld * r30787 /haiku/trunk/ (headers/os/storage/Path.h src/kits/storage/Path.cpp):[11:06:43] <CIA-20> * Flatten() would create an invalid entry ref if the path did not exist, or the[11:06:43] <CIA-20> path was not yet initialized. It will now fail instead.[11:06:43] <CIA-20> * Got rid of EBadInput - _MustNormalize() can now return an error code instead.[11:06:43] <CIA-20> * Style cleanup.[11:08:18] <CIA-20> axeld * r30788 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/registrar/ (TRoster.cpp TRoster.h):[11:08:18] <CIA-20> * _IsSystemApp() did not work anymore with the new directory hierarchy. It will[11:08:18] <CIA-20> now check for the complete path instead of just the prefix. 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Guest45932 is now known as johndrinkwater[12:50:13] <mmlr> current qemu for haiku available here: http://haiku.mlotz.ch/qemu-0.10.4-haiku.zip[12:51:00] <mmlr> including the usual native gui and audio backend (useless currently because of missing features in haiku)[12:51:21] <mmlr> also includes working kqemu that shouldn't crash the system even in error cases[12:52:30] <mmlr> it is recommended to run this only on non-hybrid gcc2 though as I have no idea how the mixed and matched compilers will confuse the runtime_loader[12:52:34] <mmlr> worth a try though[12:54:22] <Teknomancer> nice..[12:54:31] <Teknomancer> mmlr: does that include sources?[12:54:44] <Teknomancer> (the zip)[12:54:45] <mmlr> nope, plain binaries[12:54:54] <Teknomancer> hmm is the kqemu for haiku open source?[12:54:54] <mmlr> for all the various targets though[12:55:05] <mmlr> yup[12:55:14] <Teknomancer> i'm interested in seeing the memory mapping stuff[12:55:34] <mmlr> it's really rather simple[12:55:52] <Teknomancer> well the haiku kernel functions part of it :)[12:56:07] <mmlr> http://haiku.mlotz.ch/kqemu-haiku.c[12:56:16] <Teknomancer> nice thanks[12:56:56] <mmlr> will prepare a diff for the whole thing[12:57:18] <mmlr> compiling it with gcc4 makes this doable with reasonable effort[12:57:37] <mmlr> before it was just a huge hack to get around all the missing parts in gcc2[12:58:20] <Teknomancer> i see, okay[13:11:37] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[13:24:42] *** mattlacey_ has joined #haiku[13:27:14] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[13:30:03] *** Svarthandske has quit IRC[13:37:53] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[13:44:38] *** franxico has joined #haiku[13:45:21] *** mattlacey_ has quit IRC[13:46:16] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[13:46:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[13:47:03] <franxico> does anyone having troubles to build Haiku from Linux 64 bit too ?[13:47:47] *** sprma has joined #haiku[13:52:42] <franxico> mmu_man, howdy![13:53:20] <franxico> I saw you updated the documentation about building in a 64 bit environement[13:53:31] <franxico> but I still have http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/3547#comment:14[14:00:00] *** mattlacey_ has joined #haiku[14:01:59] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[14:08:43] <mmu_man> even with http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/30779 and linux32 ./configure --use-32bit ?[14:13:13] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[14:14:01] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[14:16:46] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[14:17:35] *** mmlr is now known as mmlr_away[14:19:50] *** RHarmsen has joined #haiku[14:21:37] *** mattlacey_ has quit IRC[14:23:01] *** sprma has quit IRC[14:23:49] *** mattlacey_ has joined #haiku[14:27:48] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[14:27:49] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[14:29:57] *** mattlacey_ has quit IRC[14:31:49] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[14:33:15] *** Barrett666_ has joined #haiku[14:37:28] *** knottnhupfer has quit IRC[14:41:12] *** yoritomo has joined #haiku[14:42:36] <franxico> i'll try that, thanks mmu_man[14:42:46] <franxico> btw, i live in Nantes :)[14:43:02] <franxico> but I won't be here[14:43:05] <franxico> :([14:44:59] <franxico> in july, i mean[14:45:15] *** MainRo has left #haiku[14:49:08] <mmu_man> too bad[14:51:51] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[14:54:53] *** redblue has quit IRC[14:56:55] *** Barrett666_ has quit IRC[14:57:02] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[15:06:25] *** expensivelesbian has left #haiku[15:10:21] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[15:11:12] *** mmlr_away is now known as mmlr[15:27:52] *** _-Caleb-_ has joined #haiku[15:38:27] <helf|laptop> hi[15:57:11] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[15:59:18] *** Megaf_ has joined #Haiku[16:00:03] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[16:01:31] *** yoritomo_ has joined #haiku[16:12:07] <mmadia> franxico : do you have g++-multilib installed?[16:12:22] *** Negr0 has joined #haiku[16:12:30] *** yoritomo has quit IRC[16:14:50] <franxico> i think, yes, but i'm not sure[16:14:58] <franxico> i'll check that :)[16:14:58] <mmadia> franxico : the following pages may show what you're missing.. Pre-Requisite software : http://www.haiku-os.org/node/2511 , Configure Options: http://www.haiku-os.org/node/2507 , and Configure Option : --use-32bit : http://www.haiku-os.org/node/2518/[16:15:15] <franxico> OK, thanks :)[16:15:33] *** Advant has quit IRC[16:18:07] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[16:18:53] *** expensivelesbian has joined #haiku[16:19:46] *** fcr_ has joined #haiku[16:27:04] *** awpeter has joined #haiku[16:29:06] *** adamk has quit IRC[16:36:08] *** fcr has quit IRC[16:38:41] *** iMax_pp has joined #haiku[16:42:21] <iMax_pp> Hi everyone[16:43:06] <iMax_pp> Does anyone use or at least know correctly NetPositive?[16:44:25] <mmadia> i could fire up R5Bone.[16:44:46] <iMax_pp> I have just a tiny question.[16:45:01] <iMax_pp> How bookmarks are managed?[16:45:21] <mmadia> as individual files with an attribute on them.[16:45:34] <mmadia> want me to archive some of them for you?[16:45:54] <iMax_pp> Yes please, if you can.[16:47:10] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[16:47:17] <iMax_pp> And it seems that there isn't any Bookmarks Manager. They are managed through Tracker, aren't they?[16:49:36] *** Carbamide has quit IRC[16:52:04] <mmadia> yes.[16:52:37] *** Carbamide has joined #haiku[16:52:48] *** Hokum has joined #Haiku[16:52:51] *** Barrett666_ has joined #haiku[16:53:37] *** Barrett666_ has quit IRC[16:53:39] <iMax_pp> thanks :)[16:53:52] *** Megaf_ has quit IRC[16:54:10] *** Barrett666_ has joined #haiku[16:55:09] <mmadia> slow... r5bone isn't setup w/net access[16:57:29] <mmadia> transmitting data . . .[16:58:07] <iMax_pp> data received ;)[16:59:52] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[17:00:31] *** arigayas has joined #haiku[17:00:50] *** mmlr has quit IRC[17:00:50] *** johndrinkwater has quit IRC[17:00:50] *** Bumphead has quit IRC[17:00:50] *** arigayas_ has quit IRC[17:01:10] <CIA-20> humdingerb * r30789 /haiku/trunk/docs/userguide/en/applications/ (apps-bepdf.html apps-bezillabrowser.html):[17:01:10] <CIA-20> * Included lelldorin's tip on using the html2pdf add-on to overcome BeZilla's[17:01:10] <CIA-20> aversion to printing.[17:01:10] <CIA-20> * Fixed typo in apps-bepdf.html.[17:01:31] *** johndrin1water has joined #haiku[17:01:31] *** mmlr has joined #haiku[17:01:31] *** johndrinkwater has joined #haiku[17:01:31] *** Bumphead has joined #haiku[17:01:31] *** arigayas_ has joined #haiku[17:02:11] *** johndrinkwater has quit IRC[17:05:11] *** oxocoffee has joined #haiku[17:05:34] *** franxico has quit IRC[17:08:37] *** Megaf_ has joined #Haiku[17:09:12] *** awpeter has quit IRC[17:13:22] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[17:15:22] *** MindChild has joined #haiku[17:19:12] *** arigayas_ has quit IRC[17:20:11] *** _-Caleb-_ has quit IRC[17:22:00] *** salvatore__ has quit IRC[17:23:27] *** _-Caleb-_ has joined #haiku[17:24:39] *** xAbhishek_ has joined #haiku[17:25:35] *** xAbhishek_ has left #haiku[17:39:01] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[17:39:46] *** addos has joined #haiku[17:40:01] <addos> Can haiku boot from usb harddrives?[17:40:55] <_-Caleb-_> addos yes i think, haiku can boot from usb pendrives[17:41:17] <addos> it seemed to freeze at the harddrive icon when I tried[17:41:27] <addos> I also tried all the safemode options, and it didn't seem to help[17:41:45] <addos> booting haiku in a vm is pretty neat, though. I am amazed how close to the real BeOS Haiku feels[17:41:47] <_-Caleb-_> oops[17:42:07] <addos> is there something like bebits specifically for haiku compiled software?[17:42:26] <addos> or is bebits going to get haiku specific sections or something like that?[17:42:30] <_-Caleb-_> addos www.haikuware.com[17:42:34] <addos> sweet[17:42:36] <addos> :)[17:42:48] <_-Caleb-_> in my acer aspire one boot without problems :)[17:42:48] <addos> Does haiku accept donation?[17:42:51] <addos> donations?[17:43:23] <iMax_pp> addos: http://www.haiku-os.org/community/donating_to_haiku[17:43:31] <_-Caleb-_> http://www.haiku-os.org/community/donating_to_haiku[17:43:45] <_-Caleb-_> :oops i'm so slowly xD[17:43:46] <CIA-20> humdingerb * r30790 /haiku/trunk/docs/userguide/en/installation.html: Fixed MIME type of installation.html. Thanks Matt for noticing.[17:43:54] <mmlr> addos: you might want to file a bug report about the boot problem[17:43:58] <addos> are any of the original be engineers working on haiku[17:44:03] <addos> ?[17:44:07] <_-Caleb-_> i dont know[17:44:23] <addos> I noticed printing doesn't seem to work from bezilla[17:44:30] <addos> has anyone else noticed some quirks with that?[17:44:47] <mmadia> our mozilla port doesn't included that functionality.[17:44:49] *** Megaf_ has quit IRC[17:44:53] *** yoritomo__ has joined #haiku[17:44:57] <addos> ahhh[17:45:01] <addos> that would explain it[17:45:02] <addos> hehehe[17:45:23] <mmadia> there's been some mention of an addon that can create PDF's , which can later be printed.[17:45:28] <addos> well, I gotta say, Haiku feels like OSS desktop done right[17:45:38] <addos> yeah, I wanted to at least preview and save to pdf or something[17:46:48] <addos> does haiku have any kind of breakdown of how donation money is used?[17:46:50] *** _-Caleb-_ is now known as Cal|NoEst[17:46:58] *** Cal|NoEst is now known as Cal|NoEsta[17:47:03] <addos> like, if I were to donate a huge chunk of cash or something, could I see where it goes, or anything like that?[17:47:07] <thotypous> Sryche: /j #netsurf[17:47:08] <thotypous> ops[17:47:19] <thotypous> sorry[17:47:47] <mmadia> addos : ideally financial reports are made at the end of each year..[17:48:02] <mmadia> however, some years it takes a little longer to get them published[17:48:17] <mmadia> that's the whole volunteer-based organization effect[17:48:39] <addos> yeah, I understand that. This is such a remarkable project and effort, I find it hard to resist wanting to donate[17:48:39] <addos> :)[17:48:48] *** blutigerWilliam has joined #haiku[17:48:55] <mmadia> what about contributing to? :D[17:48:56] *** yoritomo_ has quit IRC[17:49:12] <addos> I suck at code[17:49:13] <mmadia> there's plenty of non-developer tasks that can be done.[17:49:18] <addos> hmm[17:49:18] <mmadia> so do i ;)[17:49:23] <helf|laptop> yeah, he does[17:49:24] <helf|laptop> :P[17:49:26] <mmlr> it's all learnable[17:49:26] <CIA-20> bonefish * r30791 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/aboutsystem/ (AboutSystem.cpp Jamfile Utilities.cpp Utilities.h): (log message trimmed)[17:49:26] <CIA-20> * Generalized the Licenses class to StringVector.[17:49:26] <CIA-20> * Added PackageCredit class that encapsulate all data for a package credit.[17:49:26] <CIA-20> * Instead of adding the package credits directly to the text view, we do now[17:49:26] <CIA-20> first collect them and add them afterwards. Also avoid duplicates by guessing[17:49:30] <CIA-20> which package credits are newer. Fixes #3930.[17:49:32] <CIA-20> * Removed the query for installed applications. Everything in core Haiku should[17:50:33] <addos> haiku is remarkable, words simply can't even describe[17:50:40] <helf|laptop> i wish NASA sold DVDs of the raw footage of all their space flights[17:57:32] <helf|laptop> anyone wanna buy a pair of matched tualatin 1.4s with fc-pgaII adapters?[17:59:10] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[18:00:19] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[18:11:16] *** Negr0 has quit IRC[18:16:56] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[18:17:10] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[18:23:30] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[18:25:56] *** sugar3 has joined #haiku[18:26:18] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[18:27:00] *** Barrett666_ has quit IRC[18:27:49] *** ulterior_modem has quit IRC[18:27:52] *** paul0 has quit IRC[18:28:18] *** sugar3_ has joined #haiku[18:28:41] *** sugar3_ has left #haiku[18:28:43] *** hisoka999 has joined #haiku[18:33:20] *** aljen has joined #haiku[18:33:26] <aljen> hey[18:36:05] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:39:17] *** Hiryu has left #haiku[18:40:50] *** Hugen_ has joined #haiku[18:40:56] <Hugen_> hallo[18:40:56] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[18:43:28] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[18:45:45] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[18:46:03] *** sugar3 has quit IRC[18:46:22] *** thotypous has quit IRC[18:46:31] *** yoritomo has joined #haiku[18:46:47] *** Cal|NoEsta is now known as _-Caleb-_[18:47:02] *** yoritomo__ has quit IRC[18:47:52] *** Cheery has joined #haiku[18:47:53] <Cheery> hi[18:48:56] *** _-Caleb-_ has quit IRC[18:48:59] *** wtracy has joined #haiku[18:49:02] <Cheery> windows suxors, linux suxors, does haiku suxor?[18:49:44] <wtracy> depends on how you define "suxors"[18:49:58] <wtracy> if you're that hard to please, then quite possibly[18:50:21] <wtracy> but it is distinctly different from both Windows and Linux[18:50:22] <Cheery> linux has some terrible design in it's HID, which degrares user experience on desktop.[18:50:42] <wtracy> which desktop? the desktop isn't built into the OS in Linux[18:50:55] <Cheery> ubuntu[18:50:59] <Cheery> debian[18:50:59] <wtracy> so Gnome?[18:51:24] <Cheery> yep. but the HID design of linux and X11 causes the problem appear in pretty much any linux desktop[18:51:41] <iMax_pp> tolerance: willingness to recognize and respect the beliefs or practices of others[18:51:41] <wtracy> ah, you're complaining about things not being integrated?[18:51:55] <Cheery> it's stuff like disabilities in handling multiple keyboards and mice in games.[18:52:08] <Cheery> disabilities in handling joysticks.[18:52:18] <Cheery> inability to support force feedbacks of any kind.[18:52:18] *** Megaf_ has joined #Haiku[18:52:41] <wtracy> if you're complaining about lack of driver support, you'll probably be unhappy with anything other than Windows[18:53:09] <wtracy> (much as I personally hate Windows, but that's not the point)[18:54:16] <Rakhun> windows driver support is quite overrated actually[18:54:19] <wtracy> Haiku is really really neat, but it's still very immature, and you're probably not going to be impressed[18:54:23] <Cheery> it's not driver support. there's been patches to improve HID in linux, it's just that because they don't find a person for maintaining that side of the kernel, they end up being ignored.[18:54:53] <Cheery> I'm interested about design, not whether it's widely supported or accepted.[18:54:54] <wtracy> if you're feeling like being constructive, you can help maintain it ;-)[18:55:06] *** _-Caleb-_ has joined #haiku[18:55:37] <wtracy> Haiku is more focused on one single GUI, so it is more like Windows or OS X than Linux, in that respect[18:57:14] <Cheery> does there exist any documentation that tells about overall architectural choices and design?[18:57:38] *** clay_ has quit IRC[18:57:57] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[18:58:03] <wtracy> other than that it's heavily based on BeOS, I can't tell you much[18:58:35] <stpere> Cheery: the BeBook could instruct you to some extent[18:58:51] <stpere> http://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/[18:58:52] <HeTo> "based on" does not mean that there's any code shared, however[18:59:06] <stpere> HeTo: well, we use OpenTracker[18:59:13] <stpere> but I think that's about it[18:59:14] <stpere> :)[18:59:15] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[18:59:21] <HeTo> apart from a couple of applications such as Tracker and the mail daemon[18:59:47] <HeTo> and both of those have been heavily developed since BeOS R5[19:00:19] *** koo51 has joined #haiku[19:00:45] <Cheery> haiku was written in C++?[19:00:58] <HeTo> for the most part yes[19:01:15] <HeTo> parts of the kernel are written in plain C[19:01:20] <Cheery> oh. that's good.[19:01:29] <Cheery> plain C++ design sounds terrible.[19:02:00] <Cheery> what flavour of C++?[19:02:45] <geist> and why does that sound terrible?[19:03:33] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[19:04:15] <Cheery> ABI and name mangling. If you have ever used ctypes in python, you find that having tools in the programming language itself for wrapping the C libraries rock.[19:04:55] <wtracy> all the userspace APIs are C++[19:04:59] <wtracy> afaik[19:05:08] <geist> yeah, beos/haiku are actually pretty heavily c++[19:05:25] *** philcostin has joined #haiku[19:05:25] <geist> kernel traditionally not, but haiku has much more c++ in the kernel than beos ever did[19:05:58] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[19:06:26] *** xcasex has quit IRC[19:06:30] <Cheery> anyway, what flavour of C++? Does haiku code use templates? what about virtual methods?[19:06:43] <JonathanThompson> Virtual methods are heavily used.[19:06:45] <geist> depends on what part of the system you're talking about[19:06:46] <Cheery> (are there interface -classes?)[19:06:50] <JonathanThompson> That's how hooks are implemented.[19:06:56] <JonathanThompson> (For user-space)[19:07:04] <ziomatto> Cheery: have a look at the source code. that's the best way.[19:07:36] <geist> also keep in mind it's not a monolithic pile of code[19:07:36] <wtracy> Cheery: I suspect that the people who can really tell you about the kernel internals aren't here at the moment[19:07:41] <geist> there are tons of modules, layers[19:07:55] *** leszek has joined #haiku[19:08:06] * JonathanThompson thinks geist can shed a little light on the subject ;)[19:08:13] <leszek> hi[19:08:38] <wtracy> alrighty then[19:08:42] <geist> well, to be honest the new addition of C++ in the haiku kernel i generally find distasteful[19:09:11] <geist> one of the reasons i'm really not inclined to mess around with it. it's a hodgepodge of new and old code[19:09:42] <Cheery> are there higher level languages used in haiku? Or is it all just C++?[19:10:26] <geist> again, it's not a monolithic pile of code[19:10:39] <geist> so yes, there are[19:11:00] *** koo5 has quit IRC[19:12:27] <geist> but most of the system stuff is done in C/C++[19:14:31] *** wtracy has quit IRC[19:14:56] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[19:17:35] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[19:20:21] *** gr00ber has joined #haiku[19:20:27] <gr00ber> fakkafoom![19:20:28] <gr00ber> wassup[19:20:37] *** Cheery has left #haiku[19:22:49] *** luroh has joined #haiku[19:24:39] *** Hugen_ has quit IRC[19:27:15] *** Hugen_ has joined #haiku[19:31:23] *** aljen has quit IRC[19:33:49] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[19:34:38] <CIA-20> mmlr * r30792 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/translators/ (8 files in 2 dirs):[19:34:38] <CIA-20> Adding a BIconUtils based HVIFTranslator. It's not very efficient as it does[19:34:38] <CIA-20> the full work twice in the worst case. Also since it only supports actual HVIF[19:34:38] <CIA-20> format and not the Icon-O-Matic one directly it is not as useful as one might[19:34:38] <CIA-20> think. Still it's a start. You could translate from a HVIF file to a PNG using[19:34:41] <CIA-20> the command line translate tool with it (translate infile outfile 'PNG ').[19:42:30] *** prOSy has joined #haiku[19:42:45] <prOSy> hi[19:42:49] <helf|laptop> hi[19:42:50] *** mmlr has quit IRC[19:45:01] <Carbamide> hi[19:45:14] <geist> yo[19:48:21] <gr00ber> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOc2pqcEFt8[19:48:50] *** Bumphead has quit IRC[19:49:44] *** Bumphead has joined #haiku[19:50:50] *** oco has joined #haiku[19:52:36] *** _maniac_ has joined #haiku[19:53:45] *** Hugen_ has quit IRC[20:00:33] *** wtracy has joined #haiku[20:00:54] *** xcasex has joined #haiku[20:01:23] *** wtracy has quit IRC[20:01:47] *** leszek has quit IRC[20:05:19] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[20:07:58] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[20:09:33] <addos> preview seems to have a problem previewing a doc I created in stylededit[20:13:17] *** wtracy has joined #haiku[20:13:53] *** wtracy has quit IRC[20:14:00] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[20:14:25] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[20:15:10] *** yoritomo has quit IRC[20:16:18] *** yoritomo has joined #haiku[20:16:47] *** mmlr has joined #haiku[20:21:33] *** rcjsuen_ has joined #haiku[20:24:16] *** _-Caleb-_ has quit IRC[20:25:43] * Disreali is away: I'm not really here[20:26:45] *** yoritomo has quit IRC[20:27:31] *** yoritomo has joined #haiku[20:30:10] *** wtracy has joined #haiku[20:35:04] *** yoritomo has quit IRC[20:35:14] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[20:35:46] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[20:36:08] <bbjimmy> unable to build haiku from within haiku ... missing stddef.h[20:36:11] *** yoritomo has joined #haiku[20:36:35] <mmadia> how'd you get to that point bbjimmy ?[20:37:04] <bbjimmy> jam-q haiku-cd .... including the development tools[20:37:29] <bbjimmy> from r30786[20:37:35] <mmadia> why are you building the dev tools?[20:38:15] <mmadia> are you trying to build a Hybrid or different gcc version of Haiku?[20:38:32] <bbjimmy> so that I can build haiku the os installed by the cd.[20:38:42] <bbjimmy> std gcc2[20:39:59] <bbjimmy> from jam.config ... AddOptionalHaikuImagePackages WonderBrush Beam OpenSSH OpenSSL CVS Development Firefox P7zip Links Pe Perl Subversion Tar UserlandFS Vision VLC Yasm Bluetooth BePDF BePDF APR-util APR NetSurf Welcome BeBook ;[20:41:09] <bbjimmy> works ok in r30718[20:41:16] *** hisoka999 has quit IRC[20:42:04] <mmadia> ok, so you're trying to make a pre-alpha CD ?[20:42:18] *** sprma has joined #haiku[20:42:49] <bbjimmy> yes ... I installed the r30786 from a cd ... this is the install missing the header.[20:43:24] <bbjimmy> I made the cd from r30718[20:43:31] <mmadia> i seee.[20:44:02] <bbjimmy> I have two installs of haiku on my system.[20:44:15] <mmadia> so, the cd you made doesn't include the header... you only found out becaus you're now trynig to use that cd-installed-image to build haiku ?[20:44:27] <bbjimmy> yes[20:44:28] *** Barrett666_ has joined #haiku[20:45:16] <mmadia> do you still have 30718 installed?[20:45:20] *** Barrett666_ has quit IRC[20:45:24] <bbjimmy> yes[20:45:37] *** Barrett666_ has joined #haiku[20:45:48] <mmadia> i'd go back to using that ....[20:46:02] <mmadia> because there seems to be some error in the way you created that cd.[20:46:12] <mmadia> for some pointers , i'd look at the following files :[20:46:15] <bbjimmy> it still builds ok from there. I use the same trunk and jam from a different boot mounting the partition with the haiku trunk on it.[20:46:26] *** Barrett666_ has quit IRC[20:46:30] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[20:46:39] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[20:46:46] <mmadia> build/jam : HaikuCD , ImageRules, MiscRules, and ReleaseBuildProfiles[20:46:59] <mmadia> HaikuCD describes the "haiku-cd" target,[20:47:09] <mmadia> ImageRules desribes the raw image target,[20:47:22] <mmadia> ReleaseBuildProfiles describes the rules for pre-alpha images[20:47:35] <bbjimmy> Yhis has been working for a several weeks. now it is no longer working.[20:47:35] <mmadia> and MiscRules describes the rules for BuildProfiles.[20:48:45] <addos> has anyone else noticed that preview doesn't seem to work properly when previewing content from stylededit where you change fonts and sizes?[20:49:41] <bbjimmy> trying jam-q without using the haiku-cd target[20:49:49] <helf|laptop> oh no[20:50:02] *** wtracy has quit IRC[20:50:28] <helf|laptop> mat, the astronauts noticed a piece of debris floating under hubble, one went to go get it and bumped the low gain antenna on it and knocked off part of the heat shielding on it[20:50:30] <helf|laptop> heh[20:50:46] *** Megaf_ has quit IRC[20:50:48] <helf|laptop> hes like " oh, i feel sick.. i bumped the low gain... shoot."[20:51:36] <luroh> i'm having a problem building revs >= 30791, Utilities.o is not happy[20:52:17] <luroh> gcc2, btw[20:54:36] *** _maniac_ has quit IRC[20:55:09] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[20:55:33] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[20:56:28] <bbjimmy> "/boot/develop/headers/posix/wchar_t.h:7: stddef.h: No such file or directory"[20:57:09] <mmadia> luroh : can you pastebin the error?[20:57:18] <luroh> sure[20:59:24] <luroh> mmadia: http://pastebin.com/m281dbae4[20:59:53] <mmadia> by the way, do you notice that vision will not pass URLs to bezilla if it's already open?[21:01:11] *** korli has joined #haiku[21:01:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[21:01:17] <bbjimmy> http://coquilletkd.com/bbjimmy/error.txt[21:01:42] <philcostin> ...skipped AboutSystem for lack of <src!apps!aboutsystem>Utilities.o...[21:01:43] <mmlr> those are gcc headers[21:02:02] <mmadia> philcostin : gcc2 also?[21:02:05] <philcostin> yep[21:02:07] <mmlr> stddef.h and such are in the fixincludes[21:02:23] <philcostin> I'll try gcc[21:02:24] <philcostin> 4[21:02:30] <mmadia> bbjimmy : i really think that your current installation of Haiku is not complete.[21:02:46] <bbjimmy> I agree[21:02:47] <mmlr> your gcc installation is incomplete[21:02:48] <mmadia> philcostin , no need. i'm pretty sure the dev didn't check if it compiled on gcc2.[21:03:13] <ziomatto> mmadia: i think we must leave gcc2 and focus on gcc4.[21:03:21] <philcostin> ok... I'll was going to try the gcc4 version anyway. not much difference I suppose[21:03:25] <bbjimmy> the install was from a cd install. should have been complete[21:03:48] <mmadia> bbjimmy : no, the haiku-cd's are vanilla images and not official pre-alpha build profiles.[21:04:04] <mmadia> so, i personally believe that your userbuildconfig was missing something.[21:04:11] <philcostin> I saw some R1 alpha bugs fixed today, very much looking forward to the alpha release[21:04:23] <luroh> mmadia: if you mean me, no, i don't normally use vision but i can give it a go once the build is kosher again[21:04:50] <mmadia> I pointed out some files for you to look over, which should help you figure out what is missing from your userbuidconfig, bbjimmy[21:05:06] <bbjimmy> Let me install from an image file instead of the cd image ... need to re-boot to build from haiku r30718[21:05:20] *** markos_ has quit IRC[21:05:52] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[21:05:56] <mmadia> ziomatto : that's not for me to decide.[21:06:13] <mmadia> in fact, most things aren't ;)[21:06:24] <ziomatto> ;-)[21:06:38] <Carbamide> Hi![21:06:41] <Carbamide> Billy Mays here![21:06:58] <mmadia> Pitchmen?[21:07:15] <helf|laptop> ew[21:07:17] <helf|laptop> ew[21:07:21] <helf|laptop> hate that man[21:07:33] <Carbamide> I ordered his Mighty Mendit[21:07:41] <Carbamide> It actually works pretty good. I fixed my pocket with it[21:08:45] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[21:10:44] *** adamk_ has joined #haiku[21:10:47] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[21:10:57] <CIA-20> mmlr * r30793 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/aboutsystem/Utilities.cpp: Fix GCC2 build.[21:11:01] <mmlr> there you go[21:11:55] <Carbamide> Yay![21:12:40] *** Advant has joined #Haiku[21:14:44] <philcostin> thanks :)[21:14:48] <luroh> confirmed fixed, thanks mmlr :)[21:15:50] *** yoritomo has quit IRC[21:15:57] *** yoritomo has joined #haiku[21:16:31] *** TheNerd_LT has joined #haiku[21:16:59] *** iMax_pp has quit IRC[21:18:03] *** atomozero has joined #haiku[21:19:43] *** mmlr has quit IRC[21:22:09] *** idefix_dommel has joined #haiku[21:27:43] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[21:27:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[21:30:36] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[21:31:26] *** TheNerd_WK has joined #haiku[21:33:24] *** TheNerd_LT has quit IRC[21:34:24] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[21:39:27] *** TheNerd_WK is now known as TheNerd_LT[21:42:48] *** yoritomo_ has joined #haiku[21:43:10] *** yoritomo has quit IRC[21:53:25] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[21:53:41] *** lurohvision has joined #haiku[21:57:27] *** gr00ber has quit IRC[21:57:42] <luroh> mmadia: well, clicking a link in vision seems to open the page in a new bezilla window[21:58:07] <mmadia> even if bezilla is already open?[21:58:15] <luroh> yes[21:58:37] <mmadia> ok. might be this older revision i'm using.[21:58:48] <mmadia> thank you[21:58:50] <luroh> every time i click the linkm a new bezilla window opens[21:58:52] <luroh> np[22:00:37] *** lurohvision has quit IRC[22:09:24] <mmu_man> mmadia I long used an antique version that would crash when openning a new url[22:09:33] <mmu_man> or rather quit the old one first[22:10:04] <mmadia> ah[22:10:49] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[22:12:09] <tqh> mozilla expects everything to come from main(argc argv) a patch to change it would involve all platforms, which means it would never get accepted..[22:12:36] <CIA-20> mmlr * r30794 /haiku/trunk/src/libs/icon/ (27 files in 5 dirs):[22:12:36] <CIA-20> Enable just enough of the message based format used in Icon-O-Matic to allow[22:12:36] <CIA-20> BIconUtils to understand and render it. This makes it possible to use the[22:12:36] <CIA-20> HVIFTranslator to also read Icon-O-Matic files out of the box. Will cleanup[22:12:36] <CIA-20> now duplicated files next.[22:15:29] *** mmlr has joined #haiku[22:15:30] <helf|laptop> hi[22:16:35] <philcostin> mmm divide error exception.. let's see if it happens again...[22:19:09] <philcostin> yep[22:20:43] <CIA-20> mmlr * r30795 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/icon-o-matic/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Complete move of shared files from Icon-O-Matic sources to icon library.[22:21:28] <mmadia> tqh at one point, clicking links in Vision would cause a 2nd browser window to display the url. (assuming bezilla was already running)[22:23:25] <tqh> yes it should recieve and handle urls when running[22:24:09] <tqh> it's just that with the internal restarting and script to launch and other nasties, messages tend to get lost or compete with what mozilla puts in argv[22:24:58] <tqh> but when it's running and the firefox-bin can run by itself, it should work.[22:27:26] <mmadia> weird, in FileTypes, HTTP URL didnt have a preferred Application. (30734)[22:27:50] <mmadia> setting it fixed it :\[22:28:04] *** Carbamide has quit IRC[22:28:39] *** korli has quit IRC[22:28:55] *** MindChild has quit IRC[22:29:45] *** rcjsuen_ has quit IRC[22:29:56] *** Carbamide has joined #haiku[22:30:38] <tqh> hehe, it just opens messages sent to it, those that arn't sent to it is ignored :)[22:33:35] *** Darknesss has joined #haiku[22:34:50] *** korli has joined #haiku[22:34:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[22:40:36] *** prOSy has quit IRC[22:41:19] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[22:41:26] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[22:41:31] <CIA-20> zooey * r30796 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/aboutsystem/AboutSystem.cpp:[22:41:31] <CIA-20> * Made the AboutSystem be selectable again. Why the credits view used to be[22:41:31] <CIA-20> made non-selectable on program start and selectable after the credits have[22:41:31] <CIA-20> been added escapes me.[22:41:31] <CIA-20> This fixes #2497 again.[22:42:50] *** atomozero_ has joined #haiku[22:43:28] *** philcostin has quit IRC[22:45:29] *** atomozero has quit IRC[22:47:43] *** oxocoffee has quit IRC[22:50:32] *** korli has quit IRC[22:54:31] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[22:56:04] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[23:01:49] <Darknesss> hmm, I get a proxy error on http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/2912[23:01:58] <Darknesss> anyone else getting that?[23:02:21] *** korli has joined #haiku[23:02:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[23:02:52] <mmadia> Darknesss : can you try reloading the page?[23:03:06] <mmadia> that's usually a temporary hic-cup in the server.[23:04:00] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[23:04:06] *** clay_ has joined #haiku[23:04:31] <Darknesss> ah, 3rd try worked :) thx[23:05:20] *** satellitehelf has joined #haiku[23:08:34] <Darknesss> how is sata support in haiku actually?[23:08:55] *** korli has quit IRC[23:09:19] <Darknesss> might give it a try on real hardware...[23:10:20] <tqh> sata should work fine[23:10:44] <CIA-20> stippi * r30797 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/mediaplayer/ (Jamfile MainWin.cpp VideoView.cpp VideoView.h):[23:10:44] <CIA-20> * Auto hide the mouse after 5 seconds.[23:10:44] <CIA-20> * Disable the screen saver when playing in full screen mode.[23:11:41] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:11:53] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[23:11:55] *** korli has joined #haiku[23:11:55] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[23:12:44] *** sugar3 has joined #haiku[23:12:46] *** mmadia has quit IRC[23:15:44] *** expensivelesbian has left #haiku[23:16:57] *** sprma has quit IRC[23:17:04] *** sugar3 has left #haiku[23:17:31] *** korli has quit IRC[23:17:42] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[23:20:50] <CIA-20> mmlr * r30798 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/translators/shared/TranslatorSettings.cpp:[23:20:50] <CIA-20> Fix loading mechanism of settings in the shared BaseTranslator. Previously it[23:20:50] <CIA-20> would always overwrite existing settings with the defaults when a message not[23:20:50] <CIA-20> containing settings arrived. But we only want to revert to defaults when there[23:20:50] <CIA-20> have not been any settings yet. This should fix most translators forgetting[23:20:52] <CIA-20> their settings.[23:21:13] *** Rakhun|away has joined #haiku[23:22:53] <CIA-20> mmlr * r30799 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/translators/hvif/ (HVIFTranslator.cpp HVIFTranslator.h HVIFView.cpp HVIFView.h): Add a slider to the settings view to allow adjusting the rendering output size.[23:23:19] *** korli has joined #haiku[23:23:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[23:24:43] <Carbamide> I think the mouse and touchpad preferences should be converged.[23:24:47] *** mmu_laptop has joined #haiku[23:24:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_laptop[23:26:04] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[23:26:43] *** satellitehelf has quit IRC[23:28:05] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[23:28:25] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[23:28:38] *** nibble has joined #haiku[23:28:43] *** nibble\sleep has quit IRC[23:28:57] *** korli has quit IRC[23:29:23] *** nibble has quit IRC[23:29:26] *** nibble has joined #haiku[23:29:34] *** atomozero_ has quit IRC[23:32:13] *** aljen has joined #haiku[23:32:29] <aljen> hey[23:33:38] *** nibble has quit IRC[23:33:50] *** nibble has joined #haiku[23:33:58] *** korli has joined #haiku[23:33:58] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[23:35:06] *** korli has quit IRC[23:35:09] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[23:36:52] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[23:37:02] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[23:37:06] *** nibble has quit IRC[23:37:14] *** nibble has joined #haiku[23:38:41] *** korli has joined #haiku[23:38:42] *** nibble has quit IRC[23:38:42] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[23:39:03] *** mmlr has quit IRC[23:39:11] *** nibble has joined #haiku[23:39:49] *** nibble has quit IRC[23:41:53] *** satellitehelf has joined #haiku[23:42:02] *** nibble has joined #haiku[23:43:39] <BePhantom> hello my friends :)[23:44:12] *** luroh has quit IRC[23:45:03] *** Rakhun|away is now known as Rakhun[23:47:53] <BePhantom> umccullough, 7$ for an xbox, not bad ;)[23:49:18] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[23:50:09] *** RHarmsen has quit IRC[23:53:01] <PulkoMandy> +++[23:53:02] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:54:36] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[23:57:00] *** idefix_dommel has left #haiku[23:59:18] *** megaf has joined #Haiku