May 17, 2009 
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May 17, 2009 [00:06:31] <mmadia> it will. though some people thikn it's overkill.[00:07:26] <adamk> mmadia, Maybe I need to pull a fresh copy of the source.[00:07:45] <mmadia> i'd give `checkfs -c /path` a whirl first.[00:11:32] *** vyr has quit IRC[00:15:01] <adamk> No errors on any of my bfs partitions.[00:16:15] <mmadia> hrmm.. dunno then.[00:17:16] <adamk> Well this is bad...[00:17:29] <adamk> If I run an 'ls' on that directory, I get "Bad data"[00:17:44] <adamk> And my serial debug says the same thing.[00:17:53] *** oco has quit IRC[00:17:58] <adamk> So there is something wrong with the FS that checkfs doesn't see.[00:18:40] <mmadia> what's syslog say?[00:19:06] <mmadia> and do any of these bugs look like yours? http://dev.haiku-os.org/search?q=bad+data[00:20:13] <adamk> http://pastebin.com/m3415bb44[00:20:51] *** bnijk has joined #haiku[00:20:55] <bnijk> i'm tempted to try out haiku[00:20:56] <bnijk> is it any good ;)[00:21:07] <leszek> gn8[00:21:15] *** leszek has quit IRC[00:22:58] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[00:23:21] <mmadia> adamk that might be worth filing as a new bug... i cant find a ticket with 'bad data inode deleted'[00:25:19] <Advant> With configure, can I pass in another library path to point to a dir where a need library is?[00:25:33] <mmadia> did you have any recent KDL's , adamk ?[00:28:20] <mmadia> Advant : you should be able to use LDFLAGS=-lnetwork to link to libnetwork.so[00:28:32] <mmadia> as far as including an entire path, i'm not sure.[00:29:08] <Advant> i exported ld_library_path, so if that doesn't work I'll tryt hat[00:31:56] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[00:36:26] <adamk> mmadia, No, no KDLs in quite a while, actually.[00:38:57] <adamk> lol.. I must have jinxed myself.[00:39:30] <Tekn0Mac> hmm[00:46:05] <CIA-20> axeld * r30775 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/disk_device_manager/KDiskDeviceManager.cpp: * So many style violations in so few lines of code...[00:47:14] *** andrevs has quit IRC[00:49:44] *** redblue has joined #haiku[00:50:13] *** andre has joined #haiku[00:50:32] *** hisoka999 has quit IRC[00:52:09] *** Kokito_ has joined #haiku[00:52:21] *** andre is now known as andrevs[00:53:11] *** Hodapp_ has joined #haiku[01:00:24] *** Karurosu has joined #haiku[01:00:46] *** Kokito_ is now known as horuhe[01:04:48] *** Colin_Finck has quit IRC[01:06:18] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[01:06:54] <horuhe> hi dr_evil[01:07:47] *** Hodapp has quit IRC[01:07:48] <dr_evil> hi[01:14:39] <bnijk> ahh[01:14:40] <bnijk> bread[01:16:29] <bnijk> do you guys know what the correlation is between the progress of haiku and the quality of the bread you eat?[01:16:53] <bnijk> believe it or not, there is one[01:25:00] <Tekn0Mac> g'nite[01:25:01] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[01:25:44] <BePhantom> wazaaaaa[01:25:49] *** Carbamide has quit IRC[01:29:22] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[01:29:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[01:35:52] <dr_evil> http://wolframsbeta.com/[01:35:57] <dr_evil> nice one[01:38:57] <BePhantom> it doest work for me[01:49:47] *** awpeter has quit IRC[01:51:51] *** jprostko has joined #haiku[01:52:33] <mmu_man> I didn't get the r'eference[01:52:43] *** horuhe has quit IRC[01:53:09] <stpere> mmu_man: there is a wolframsalpha, no?[01:53:31] <dr_evil> yes, thats the original http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=How+much+wood+would+a+woodchuck+chuck[01:53:54] <stpere> mmu_man: basically you search using a question[01:53:59] <stpere> natural language, I think[01:54:13] <dr_evil> however, pretty overloaded (Sorry dave, im' afraid i can't do that)[01:54:15] <mmu_man> yeah I tried "where is charly?" it didn't answer[01:54:38] <dr_evil> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=meaning+of+life[01:54:56] <stpere> I sure would like to be the one that have wolframsalpha.com[01:55:50] <mmu_man> yeah I tried 42, it answered 42 :)[01:57:34] *** pina has joined #haiku[01:57:45] <BePhantom> tongue twister :D[01:57:46] <dr_evil> it can do nice things, like http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=[us+oil+consumption+%2F+world+oil+consumption]+%2F+[us+population+%2F+world+population][01:58:04] <pina> only math or phys of chem[01:58:11] <pina> it cant do shit with computers/softwares[01:58:14] <pina> try searching for c[01:58:20] <pina> c++[01:58:24] <pina> should get interesting[01:58:24] <pina> :P[01:58:52] <pina> wolfram should stick to his mathematica idea nd not being an idiot trying cellular automata on search engines[01:58:58] <pina> be*[01:59:36] <BePhantom> i just asked for the meaning of life :)[01:59:51] *** pina has quit IRC[02:00:51] <dr_evil> this is not a search engine pina[02:01:09] <geist> already gone[02:02:47] *** dwarfyperson has joined #haiku[02:02:47] *** tehdwarf has quit IRC[02:04:50] <dr_evil> this is like Star Trek. "Computer, what was the weather von september 9th 2008 in Stockholm"[02:06:09] <dr_evil> ok, use this query "what was the weather september 9th 2008 in Stockholm" and it will answer. AWSOME![02:09:05] <BePhantom> awesome :)[02:10:38] <BePhantom> checking the weather on the day of my birth :D[02:10:48] <BePhantom> day and year[02:12:14] <pfoetchen> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=haiku[02:12:25] *** scottmc has joined #haiku[02:13:38] <CIA-20> stippi * r30776 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/mediaplayer/ (11 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)[02:13:38] <CIA-20> * Refactor the "Remove and Put into Trash" backend a bit to allow giving it an[02:13:38] <CIA-20> index and not work on the current selection only.[02:13:38] <CIA-20> * Reenable the code in MainWin that implements the shortcuts to trigger this[02:13:38] <CIA-20> feature during playback. Now it uses the Undo/Redo stack and profits from[02:13:39] <CIA-20> existing polish.[02:13:43] <CIA-20> * Add missing fPlaylist locking in MainWin at several places. Should not have[02:14:35] <stpere> BePhantom: it's not meant to search for keywords like that, I think :)[02:14:48] <mmu_man> pfoetchen it misses one definition :)[02:14:56] <pfoetchen> yep ;)[02:14:56] <stpere> oh[02:15:02] <stpere> sorry it was meant for pfoetchen[02:15:04] <stpere> :)[02:15:06] <BePhantom> stpere, you mean the weather thing?[02:15:16] <stpere> no, that's perfectly fine[02:15:22] <stpere> I mean the Haiku query[02:15:29] <pfoetchen> but it obviously works with only a keyword ;)[02:15:54] <BePhantom> oh, pfoetchen was searching for haiku not me :D[02:16:11] <stpere> yes[02:16:53] <BePhantom> i was looking for JonathanThompson but nothing came up, he doesnt exist![02:17:09] *** liquidgrass has quit IRC[02:17:30] <stpere> (no known major notable events)[02:17:38] <stpere> what!? it's my b-day!! :P[02:18:00] <dr_evil> same for me :([02:18:11] <stpere> it's a beautiful night to be in town here :)[02:18:21] <stpere> on a deck of the coffee shop[02:18:23] <stpere> cool brisk[02:18:30] <stpere> clear sky[02:18:41] <stpere> great music[02:18:44] <stpere> aww :)[02:18:51] <stpere> sorry, had to share :)[02:19:20] <BePhantom> darn you :D[02:20:46] <stpere> next drink is in BePhantom 's honor :)[02:21:24] <BePhantom> what you having?[02:21:25] <pfoetchen> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=how+many+people+live+in+germany+and+france+%3F it can do realy cool stuff[02:21:41] <stpere> a "Sirene"[02:21:57] <stpere> it's coffee + whipped cream + with some alcohol[02:22:01] <BePhantom> sirene as in marmaid?[02:22:02] <stpere> plus cacao[02:22:05] <stpere> yes[02:22:12] <BePhantom> mermaid*[02:22:17] <stpere> and chocolat chips[02:22:45] <BePhantom> sounds great, i have another excuse to visit canada :D[02:23:03] <stpere> you only find that here :)[02:23:17] <stpere> and by here, I mean this town[02:23:29] <stpere> but it's easy enough to copy I guess[02:23:58] <pfoetchen> we have similar stuff here but I don't remember how it's called...[02:31:00] <dr_evil> db = db * (pow(abs(18), (1.0 / 1.4)) / abs(18)); db = pow(db, 1.4); gain = pow(10.0, db / 20.0);[02:31:33] <dr_evil> I failed to feed that formula into wolfram[02:34:03] <dr_evil> night[02:35:03] <pfoetchen> it even knows about some computer stuff http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=how+long+does+it+take+to+transfer+121GB+over+Firewire+800 ;)[02:36:59] *** Geoz has quit IRC[02:38:06] <CIA-20> mmu_man * r30777 /haiku/trunk/docs/userguide/en/installation/install-source-linux.html:[02:42:50] <mmu_man> src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/bfs/bfs.h:379: error: cast from ‘const small_data*’ to ‘fssh_addr_t’ loses precision[02:42:52] <mmu_man> grrr[02:47:39] <mmu_man> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/3547[02:47:41] <mmu_man> 64bit sux[02:51:47] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[02:55:00] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[02:57:42] <mmadia> mmu_man I'm pretty sure the patch i made for configure to automatically set use-32bit fails miserably with linux32[02:57:53] *** pl_tired has joined #haiku[02:57:56] <mmadia> in fact, i'll post a patch for the person to try.[02:59:10] <mmu_man> well I can try here[02:59:19] <mmu_man> I have a 64bit server available atm[02:59:30] *** senryu has joined #Haiku[02:59:38] *** senryu is now known as bigjay[02:59:38] <mmadia> http://pastebin.com/m51370793[02:59:41] <mmadia> that's the patch.[03:00:00] <mmu_man> I tried linux32 configure --use-32bit ...[03:00:02] <mmu_man> then[03:00:06] <mmu_man> setarch linux32 configure --use-32bit ...[03:00:15] <mmu_man> (linux32 alone shoudl be the same right ?)[03:00:37] <mmu_man> indeed it doesn't get it:[03:00:38] <mmu_man> HAIKU_HOST_USE_32BIT ?= "0" ;[03:01:04] <mmadia> patch the pastebin, linux32 configure --use-32bit ; jam -q @alpha-raw && echo w00t![03:01:45] <mmadia> or maybe .. && echo "mmadia needs to test patches more thoroughly :P"[03:03:25] <mmu_man> WhoTF needs 2* core 2 duo 3GHz as a web server anyway :^)[03:03:41] <mmu_man> and /me only has an athlonXP to do builds[03:03:46] <mmu_man> so unfair[03:05:02] *** redblue has quit IRC[03:05:47] *** wildur has quit IRC[03:08:07] *** bigjay has quit IRC[03:10:00] *** redblue has joined #haiku[03:12:54] <DarezGhost> where are the beos ddk docs please[03:17:47] *** Bumphead has quit IRC[03:18:31] *** senryu has joined #Haiku[03:18:44] *** senryu is now known as bigjay[03:20:48] <mmu_man> Link /home/revol/devel/haiku/trunk/generated-x86/objects/linux/lib/libroot_build.so[03:20:49] <mmu_man> /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.3.2/libsupc++.a when searching for -lsupc++[03:20:49] <mmu_man> /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.3.2/libsupc++.a when searching for -lsupc++[03:20:50] <mmu_man> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lsupc++[03:20:52] <mmu_man> RAHHHH[03:20:54] <mmu_man> again[03:21:12] <mmu_man> USE_32BIT is definitely 1[03:24:11] <mmadia> is that from looking at BuildConfig ?[03:24:41] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[03:25:01] <mmadia> because even if you run "linux32 configure --use-32bit <args>", the configure script will over-ride the --use-32bit option and set it to 0[03:25:45] <mmadia> the first two parts of this checkin should be reverted : http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/29314[03:27:06] <mmu_man> ys BuildConfig has it to 1[03:27:18] <mmu_man> that's with your diff[03:30:37] <mmu_man> http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libsupc%2B%2B.a&mode=exactfilename&suite=stable&arch=ia64[03:31:00] <mmu_man> hmm oh well, that would be the one build by our gcc itself anyway[03:31:04] <mmu_man> not from a .deb[03:31:07] <mmu_man> so...[03:31:32] <mmu_man> oh no...[03:31:36] <mmu_man> that's for a build tool[03:32:48] <mmu_man> hmm ugh, x86_64 is amd ?[03:32:58] <mmu_man> but it's what uname -a gives here, not ia64[03:33:06] <mmu_man> and it's a dual core2 duo, so intel[03:33:17] <mmu_man> all this 64bit mess is really painful[03:33:34] *** Megaf__ has joined #Haiku[03:35:29] <mmadia> mmu_man : maybe you need to rebuild everything after applying the patch --- including build tools ?[03:35:40] *** Megaf_ has quit IRC[03:35:50] *** Megaf__ is now known as Megaf[03:35:59] <mmu_man> I did :p[03:36:06] <mmadia> aww[03:36:09] <mmu_man> rm -Rf generated-x86[03:53:50] *** Tekn0- has joined #haiku[03:56:50] *** Tekn0Mac has quit IRC[04:00:07] *** nibble has joined #haiku[04:04:47] *** [Katisu]_m has joined #haiku[04:06:02] *** Megaf has quit IRC[04:07:01] *** bigjay has quit IRC[04:07:58] *** Megaf_ has joined #Haiku[04:08:15] <mmu_man> mmadia I think I got it[04:08:17] <mmu_man> yeah[04:08:20] <mmu_man> missing package[04:08:21] <mmu_man> g++-multilib[04:08:23] <mmu_man> grmbl[04:09:12] *** Megaf_ is now known as Megaf[04:11:02] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[04:11:02] *** [Katisu]_m is now known as [Katisu][04:13:36] * Disreali is back (gone 23:52:49)[04:14:43] <mmadia> dammit. i had that documented too! :P[04:19:15] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[04:28:49] <CIA-20> mmu_man * r30778 /haiku/trunk/docs/userguide/en/installation/install-source-linux.html: You also need gcc-multilib and g++-multilib on 64bit...[04:37:43] <mmu_man> funky, Haiku sees a PII at 3GHz[04:42:03] <CIA-20> mmu_man * r30779 /haiku/trunk/configure: This check doesn't work when used inside linux32... just remove it. Use linux32 ./configure --use-32bit[04:42:17] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[04:51:19] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[04:56:31] *** fairfieldt has quit IRC[05:02:35] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[05:05:06] *** jprostko has quit IRC[05:06:26] *** Zenja has joined #haiku[05:06:53] *** rcjsuen_ has joined #haiku[05:09:34] *** Zenja has left #haiku[05:11:45] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[05:18:19] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[05:20:46] *** oxocoffee has joined #haiku[05:22:53] *** rcjsuen_ has quit IRC[05:23:28] *** Zenja has joined #haiku[05:23:32] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[05:25:00] <Zenja> Any French speakers online? A translator converted the English word "Tutorial" to French "Exercice", and that just seems wrong. Can any French speaker confirm that the translation is valid (in context of a menu screen from a game tutorial)[05:25:49] *** rcjsuen_ has joined #haiku[05:25:54] <Zenja> I've been looking at the translation sites on the net, and they closest word to "tutorial" would be "cours", ie. a game course[05:26:30] <pfoetchen> Zenja: I would use tutoriel (at least in informatics related stuff it's quite common)[05:27:59] <Zenja> pfoetchen: thanks[05:28:22] <Zenja> I'm inserting language files into my project.[05:28:34] <Zenja> I will have a problem with German, since the words are soo long.[05:28:43] <Zenja> For a finite screen space (iPhone)[05:29:04] <pfoetchen> in German it's simple: Tutorial ;)[05:29:39] <pfoetchen> I can help you for German, too if you need[05:30:13] <aljen> Zenja: you're looking for a gamedev tutorial for iphone ?[05:30:15][05:30:26] <pfoetchen> ;)[05:30:39] <Zenja> I've got hundreds of these looooong sentances[05:30:44][05:30:49] <pfoetchen> would be enough[05:30:59] <pfoetchen> and a bit shorter[05:31:04] <Zenja> Well, you know that, but I dont - it's all Greek to me.[05:31:09] <pfoetchen> ;)[05:31:19] <Zenja> THe worst thing is that I paid $50 US to get 800 words translated.[05:31:26] <Zenja> They're translated, but not SHORT.[05:33:35] <Zenja> I'm scared about the translations to languages with accents. I'm using FreeTypeGL for a font engine, and it's got a bug with the accents. I'm scared that if I drop an accent from a Spanish word, instead of saying something nice/pleasant, I'd end up cursing the players mother :([05:34:06] <Zenja> Doesn't leave a good impression with the gamers :)[05:35:13] <pfoetchen> yes but most are acustomed to seeing such errors since accents and stuff often gives trubbles[05:36:33] <Zenja> As long as I'm not accidently cursing, I should be OK.[05:42:55] *** begasus_ has quit IRC[05:43:18] *** mmadia has quit IRC[05:51:21] *** thotypous has quit IRC[05:53:54] *** sirshane has joined #haiku[06:01:35] *** william_der_blut has quit IRC[06:03:48] *** DarezGhost has quit IRC[06:05:06] *** Megaf has quit IRC[06:05:16] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[06:06:45] *** Carbamide has joined #haiku[06:07:01] <Carbamide> Good evening[06:07:50] <sirshane> Ahoy there.[06:08:31] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[06:09:07] *** Disreali has quit IRC[06:15:03] *** Megaf_ has joined #Haiku[06:15:15] <Zenja> AHoy - how appropriate (currently developing sailing game)[06:15:29] <sirshane> ;)[06:15:46] <Zenja> My hearties[06:16:00] <sirshane> "Me hearties", you mean.[06:16:10] <Zenja> Whatever.[06:23:10] *** pyCube_ has joined #haiku[06:23:25] <pyCube_> yay for 28 mpg![06:24:56] *** pyCube_ has quit IRC[06:25:00] *** Zenja has left #haiku[06:25:04] <pyCube__> heh[06:27:16] <dwarfyperson> 28?[06:27:23] <dwarfyperson> I'll see you're 28 and raise you 34[06:27:36] <pyCube__> my car is 35 years old[06:27:38] <dwarfyperson> *your[06:27:46] <dwarfyperson> 21[06:27:50] <dwarfyperson> but yeah[06:27:52] <dwarfyperson> you win[06:27:52] <pyCube__> ..and was doing 80 mph + the whole time[06:28:07] <pyCube__> 360 miles[06:39:25] *** Megaf_ has quit IRC[06:44:57] *** oxocoffee has quit IRC[06:45:04] *** sirshane has left #haiku[06:46:59] *** GeneralMaximus has joined #haiku[06:48:35] *** GeneralMaximus has left #haiku[06:49:35] *** bnijk has quit IRC[07:00:43] *** Barrett666_ has quit IRC[07:06:49] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[07:22:24] *** fcr has joined 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:)[13:06:57] <Tekn0Mac> but working for a VM with guest additions is very cumbersome, need to find a real box to install haiku[13:07:05] <Tekn0Mac> with=without[13:08:58] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[13:10:02] <ziomatto> hello, what's the procedure to build haiku on a haiku machine an install it ?[13:10:37] *** hisoka999 has joined #haiku[13:13:33] <Tekn0Mac> ziomatto did you check haiku-os.org for instructions?[13:14:46] <ziomatto> Tekn0Mac: have a second look. maybe i've missed.[13:14:55] <ziomatto> Tekn0Mac: thanks[13:17:35] <Tekn0Mac> http://www.haiku-os.org/documents/dev/getting_and_building_haiku_source_code[13:17:48] <Tekn0Mac> does that help?[13:20:03] <ziomatto> Tekn0Mac: thanks for help. i'm reading.[13:20:11] <Tekn0Mac> yw[13:34:27] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[13:35:46] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[13:36:51] *** tqh has quit IRC[13:44:54] *** Carbamide has quit IRC[13:49:57] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[13:50:38] *** Negr0 has joined #haiku[13:55:13] *** rcjsuen 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Thanks Fredrik Ekdahl[14:42:19] <CIA-20> for the heads up.[14:58:05] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #haiku[15:00:38] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[15:03:58] *** Hugen_ has joined #haiku[15:04:04] <Hugen_> hey[15:04:25] *** oxocoffee has joined #haiku[15:04:54] *** oxocoffee is now known as Guest25788[15:14:04] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[15:14:55] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[15:15:32] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[15:16:50] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[15:17:00] *** redblue has quit IRC[15:18:05] *** myrkraverk has joined #haiku[15:18:25] <myrkraverk> is haiku poetry off topic here?[15:18:31] <myrkraverk> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.ascii-art/browse_thread/thread/8498cc1a4a696205#[15:18:36] <myrkraverk> how "haiku" is that?[15:18:47] <Tekn0Mac> it's not off topic[15:18:57] <Tekn0Mac> but this channel _is_ for haiku OS[15:19:09] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[15:19:18] <myrkraverk> Tekn0Mac, I know -- I haven't been here in months (years?) though[15:19:31] <Tekn0Mac> :)[15:19:54] *** 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<CIA-20> bga * r30781 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs):[16:12:21] <CIA-20> This closes ticket #3446.[16:14:05] <Barrett666> i tried to compile a livecd using jam -q haiku-cd, it works but the iso generated is similar to a vanilla, how can i compile a pre-alpha livecd?[16:16:50] <adamk> Barrett666, You should take a look at the UserBuildConfig.ReadMe and UserBuildConfig.sample files in build/jam/[16:17:00] <adamk> You can tell jam to add additional packages to the image.[16:17:27] <mmadia> does that even work with the cd's?[16:17:47] <Barrett666> adamk, to compile a prealpha raw i use jam -q @alpha-raw, maybe there is a similar way to compile a livecd[16:18:32] <mmadia> no Barrett666. build/jam/MiscRules : rule DefineBuildProfile isn't capable of handling cd's yet.[16:18:35] <adamk> mmadia, Barrett666, I'm not sure, to either question.[16:19:04] *** fran has joined #haiku[16:19:44] <Barrett666> mmm ok mmadia[16:19:49] <Barrett666> thanks all[16:19:52] <mmadia> build/jam/HaikuCD does seem to make references to UserBuildConfig, so maybe adamk's suggestion will work[16:20:35] <Barrett666> ok[16:20:37] <mmadia> Barrett666 : looking at build/jam/HaikuCD , ImageRules, MiscRules, and ReleaseBuildProfiles would likely to be helpful.[16:20:39] *** pgr has quit IRC[16:24:58] *** Senryu-User has joined #Haiku[16:24:59] *** _-Caleb-_ has quit IRC[16:31:18] *** Senryu-User2 has joined #Haiku[16:32:35] *** _-Caleb-_ has joined #haiku[16:34:45] *** Senryu-User2 has quit IRC[16:35:18] *** fcr has quit IRC[16:38:12] *** blutigerWilliam has joined #haiku[16:39:02] <Tekn0Mac> re[16:40:55] *** blutigerWilliam has quit IRC[16:47:39] *** El has joined #haiku[16:48:08] *** Senryu-User has quit IRC[16:49:11] *** yoritomo has joined #haiku[16:49:34] *** blutigerWilliam has joined #haiku[16:53:03] *** _-Caleb-_ has quit IRC[16:53:30] *** sprma has quit IRC[16:56:44] *** tqh has quit IRC[16:57:12] *** Barrett666_ has joined #haiku[17:03:27] *** VinDuv|laptop has joined #haiku[17:04:27] *** 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modules, but i think needs a bit more work but at least got something going[17:32:27] *** Gaap has left #haiku[17:32:28] <Tekn0Mac> will take a while[17:37:42] *** mmadia has quit IRC[17:37:54] *** dwarfyperson has quit IRC[17:48:54] *** hisoka999 has quit IRC[17:52:04] *** koo5 has quit IRC[17:55:08] *** Hugen_ has joined #haiku[17:55:25] <Hugen_> hey[17:57:30] <umccullough> Hugen_, fwiw, DHCP works fine for me :([17:58:39] <Hugen_> for me from r30000 not work :/[18:00:48] <Hugen_> propably all network not work[18:01:02] <luroh> Hugen_: do the image files from haiku-files.org behave the same?[18:01:10] <Hugen_> yes yes[18:01:22] <luroh> i see[18:03:29] <Hugen_> heh, but when I replace all files from /boot/system/addons/kernel/network from old image to last image - network work fine[18:08:39] <Hugen_> is some change in src, which break working on desktop[18:11:12] <Hugen_> I must activate log in of network in Haiku[18:12:52] <umccullough> the breakage in r30000 was definitely fixed[18:13:03] <umccullough> pretty much nobody had DHCP until 30175[18:13:03] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[18:13:29] <umccullough> but it sounds like something else is wrong in your case[18:13:54] <umccullough> maybe a different breakage after r30000 that also screwed up your hardware[18:17:13] <Hugen_> propably, my laptop with the same network chipset work fine[18:17:25] <umccullough> odd, what chipset?[18:17:36] <Hugen_> realtek 8139[18:17:44] <umccullough> oh, that's a dreadful chip[18:17:47] *** gloot^n is now known as glootech[18:18:14] <Geoz> very popular though[18:18:29] <umccullough> yeah, because it's cheap[18:18:32] <Geoz> :)[18:18:36] <umccullough> and works in windows :P[18:19:18] <Hugen_> heh, PCI card, lan on chip (nforce) not work with Haiku[18:19:21] <umccullough> i have two rtl8139-based cards that I pretty much never use :)[18:19:29] <umccullough> nforce does work[18:19:36] <Hugen_> my not[18:19:42] <umccullough> that's too bad, what devid?[18:20:06] <Geoz> ReactOS is having problems with RTL81xx cards too[18:20:07] <umccullough> vendor/deviceid both actually[18:20:12] <Geoz> although in emulation they seem to work fine[18:20:20] <umccullough> they are rotten chipsets[18:20:29] <umccullough> i like the freebsd driver comment[18:20:37] <Hugen_> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/3530[18:20:38] <umccullough> "this chip redefines "low end""[18:20:48] <Geoz> haha[18:21:15] <umccullough> Hugen_, let me look, i actually have an MCP61 board that I think does work[18:21:48] *** blutigerWilliam has joined #haiku[18:22:36] <umccullough> Hugen_, i think someone did report that having two network cards in the same machine that are both detected causes DHCP problems[18:23:07] <Hugen_> yes, but I still disabled nforce[18:23:10] <umccullough> you might want to disable the onboard lan in your bios[18:23:11] <umccullough> oh[18:23:43] <umccullough> yep, that's supported by the "nforce" driver in haiku: http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/network/nforce/dev/nfe/if_nfereg.h#L319[18:23:57] <umccullough> you might want to remove your rtl8139, enable your nforce chip and test that again[18:24:03] <umccullough> just in case[18:24:32] <umccullough> it might have been fixed[18:24:49] <Hugen_> hmm[18:24:57] <umccullough> who knows[18:25:33] <Hugen_> I will taste[18:25:51] <umccullough> Geoz, http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/network/rtl8139/pci/if_rl.c#L48[18:26:12] <Hugen_> one years ago don't work[18:26:21] <umccullough> a lot has changed since then ;)[18:26:41] <Hugen_> yes, I know :)[18:26:57] <umccullough> haiku has been broken and fixed countless times :D[18:27:53] *** Tekn0Mac has quit IRC[18:29:07] <Hugen_> ok, I will testing[18:29:11] <Hugen_> bbl[18:29:20] *** Hugen_ has quit IRC[18:40:43] *** sprma has joined #haiku[18:41:15] *** VinDuv|laptop has quit IRC[18:42:35] * Disreali is away: I'm not really 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This fixes bug #3919. Got rid of the _TryInitiateDrag() method,[18:46:29] <CIA-20> and let MouseMoved() do it all.[18:46:29] <CIA-20> * Style cleanup of the header, automatic whitespace cleanup.[19:15:24] *** _-Caleb-_ has joined #haiku[19:16:10] *** Hugen_ has joined #haiku[19:16:14] <Hugen_> re[19:16:33] *** leszek has quit IRC[19:16:41] <Hugen_> heh, nforce work :0[19:16:46] <Hugen_> :)[19:17:27] <Hugen_> one good thing and news in this week[19:17:33] <Hugen_> and weekend[19:17:45] <Hugen_> thx urias[19:19:03] <umccullough> glad to hear it :)[19:19:28] *** dwarfyperson has joined #haiku[19:19:43] <umccullough> Hugen_, guess that means you can add a comment to #3530 :D[19:21:56] *** tqh has joined #haiku[19:22:33] <Hugen_> he he[19:22:38] <Hugen_> right[19:22:40] <Hugen_> ;)[19:24:05] <Hugen_> done[19:25:05] <Hugen_> but #3922 is very interesting[19:26:52] *** GeneralMaximus has joined #haiku[19:33:45] <Hugen_> brb[19:33:47] *** Hugen_ has quit IRC[19:35:19] *** GeneralMaximus has left #haiku[19:35:53] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[19:42:16] *** sprma has quit IRC[19:45:33] *** Hugen_ has joined #haiku[19:45:40] <Hugen_> re[19:49:23] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[19:49:49] *** _-Caleb-_ has quit IRC[19:55:53] *** _-Caleb-_ has joined #haiku[19:59:37] *** oco has joined #haiku[20:00:06] *** Hugen_ has quit IRC[20:00:45] *** expensivelesbian has left #haiku[20:01:03] *** plfiorini__ is now known as plfiorini[20:01:38] *** tqh has quit IRC[20:15:15] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[20:16:37] *** glootech has quit IRC[20:19:10] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[20:21:19] *** glootech has joined #haiku[20:25:50] *** GeneralMaximus has joined #haiku[20:31:59] *** blutigerWilliam has quit IRC[20:34:05] *** glootech has quit IRC[20:38:56] *** glootech has joined #haiku[20:42:14] *** siarzhuk has quit IRC[20:43:41] *** jprostko has joined #haiku[20:45:17] *** arigayas_ has joined #haiku[20:49:47] *** jprostko has quit IRC[20:53:07] *** _-Caleb-_ has quit IRC[20:54:05] *** _-Caleb-_ has joined #haiku[20:55:19] *** _-Caleb-_ has quit IRC[20:55:32] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[20:55:44] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[20:56:12] *** _-Caleb-_ has joined #haiku[21:00:25] *** arigayas has quit IRC[21:00:27] *** adamk has quit IRC[21:01:15] *** GeneralMaximus has left #haiku[21:01:24] *** mmadia has quit IRC[21:02:41] *** dwarfyperson has quit IRC[21:09:53] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[21:09:56] *** mib_2wohbo has joined #haiku[21:10:22] *** awpeter has joined #haiku[21:12:48] *** adamk has joined #haiku[21:13:12] *** qoreQ has quit IRC[21:13:15] *** qoreQ has joined #haiku[21:14:22] *** mib_2wohbo has quit IRC[21:16:56] *** adamk has quit IRC[21:20:09] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[21:20:34] *** adamk has joined #haiku[21:21:23] *** awpeter has quit IRC[21:25:59] *** leszek has joined #haiku[21:39:01] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[21:41:28] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[22:00:26] <leszek> n8 @ all[22:00:32] *** leszek has quit IRC[22:01:04] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[22:04:38] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[22:08:18] *** DBAlex has joined #haiku[22:08:24] *** koo5 has joined #haiku[22:15:09] *** fran has quit IRC[22:17:05] *** Hugen_ has joined #haiku[22:17:12] <Hugen_> hi again[22:17:13] <Hugen_> :)[22:26:03] *** tqh has joined #haiku[22:26:44] *** Carbamide has joined #haiku[22:32:31] *** Hugen_ has quit IRC[22:34:57] <CIA-20> rudolfc * r30783 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/ (4 files in 2 dirs):[22:34:57] <CIA-20> fixed acceleration engine crashes on at least G72 cards by powering up a new[22:34:57] <CIA-20> part of the engine. This fixes acc on Geforce 7300/7400/7500 cards, and closes[22:34:57] <CIA-20> tickets #927, #1535 and #3482. In order to test this you need to go back to[22:34:57] <CIA-20> Haiku R30277 at least since app_server nolonger uses acceleration. Acceleration[22:34:57] <CIA-20> code was synced to Xfree86 4.8.0. and no chances were found. Bumped version to[22:34:59] <CIA-20> 0.90, updated docs.[22:35:05] *** Hugen_ has joined #haiku[22:35:14] <Hugen_> re[22:50:13] <gordonjcp> woot[22:50:26] <gordonjcp> wonder if that fixes my black screen bug?[22:52:17] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[22:52:53] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[22:53:15] *** Hugen_ has quit IRC[22:53:16] <gordonjcp> what does it mean "Testable only with pre-R30278 builds"?[22:53:34] <gordonjcp> how can I build an old build that has the new update?[22:54:53] <Disreali> no idea[22:55:24] <Disreali> might want to ask on one of the bug tickets[22:55:53] <gordonjcp> I doubt it will fix it, since none of the tickets describe the problem I'm having[22:56:10] <gordonjcp> and there has been no progress for a while on any of the tickets that *do* describe it[22:56:40] <gordonjcp> I've pretty much come to the conclusion that I can't run Haiku on my desktop, so I just do builds there and run it on my laptop[22:57:38] <luroh> gordonjcp: black screen after boot splash?[22:57:43] <gordonjcp> yup[22:58:50] <luroh> ah, and vesa doesn't support the screen's native resolution?[22:59:13] <luroh> s/screen/display[22:59:24] <gordonjcp> nope[22:59:37] <luroh> gotcha :|[22:59:42] <gordonjcp> I can't use vesa mode, because my monitor is deeply unhappy with any modes presented[23:00:24] <luroh> widescreen?[23:00:39] <gordonjcp> yup[23:03:15] <gordonjcp> oh well, here goes[23:05:20] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:06:11] *** DBAlex has quit IRC[23:06:26] *** DBAlex has joined #haiku[23:07:57] <PulkoMandy> +++[23:08:01] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:10:02] *** Disreali_ has quit IRC[23:13:29] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[23:13:51] *** hisoka999 has quit IRC[23:14:15] <gordonjcp> nope[23:21:50] *** Rakhun|away has joined #haiku[23:24:28] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[23:28:50] *** Rakhun|gone has joined #haiku[23:29:37] *** paul0 has quit IRC[23:35:36] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[23:35:44] *** Rakhun|gone is now known as Rakhun[23:41:12] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[23:42:10] <BePhantom> i have a question, is there anything wrong with people that want to use an OS without complication? that want it just to work without effort so they can do whatever they want like check emails, chat, etc?[23:42:24] *** koo5 has quit IRC[23:43:29] *** Rakhun|away has quit IRC[23:44:02] <BePhantom> ok :P[23:47:43] <Rakhun> BePhantom: nope, but they also want food in the fridge and money on the bank :)[23:47:50] <pfoetchen> BePhantom: where would be the fun in that ;)[23:49:09] *** BePhantom_ has joined #haiku[23:49:29] *** BePhantom_ has quit IRC[23:54:47] <BePhantom> im reading a linux blog where they trash people who use simpler distros like ubuntu, they treat them as stupid and dumb. What i think is that most of the people dont have the knowledge nor the energy and time to spend on learning about an OS, the terminal commands, the pillars of free software, how to compile or the packages necessary to do it, etc. most of the people just want to focus on simplicity, do what they have to do and that's it[23:55:15] <geist> oh come on[23:55:29] <geist> dont extrapolate based on some blog what the community does[23:56:01] <BePhantom> im not saying ubuntu is perfect or is a fair example of what simplicity should be, dont get me wrong[23:56:22] <BePhantom> haiku should be a fair example :)[23:57:02] <JonathanThompson> That *IS* one of Haiku's design goals, IIRC :)[23:57:37] <JonathanThompson> And yes: I would state that there are a massive percentage of people that want the OS to not exist, since all they want to do is get something *ELSE* done other than tinkering around with the OS.[23:58:13] <JonathanThompson> Not everyone is a natural computer geek and interested in being able to do all they do or want to do, nor should they: a computer and its software is just one of many tools.[23:58:16] <BePhantom> yes i know, so why should people be dumb is they choose haiku over say... slackware[23:58:39] <JonathanThompson> Depends on what's the best tool for the job, traded off with their time to learn something new (or not).[23:59:00] <JonathanThompson> Haiku (right now, perhaps forever) is not a good server OS: wrong tool for the job.[23:59:02] <gordonjcp> BePhantom: as you've no doubt heard me say before, Ubuntu is an *excellent* distro for very experienced users[23:59:08] <gordonjcp> BePhantom: because everything just works[23:59:20] <JonathanThompson> I'm not convinced any single Linux mutation is the best tool as a client OS for a desktop, either.[23:59:49] <JonathanThompson> I'm not 100% certain I can name the "ideal" client OS, but... Linux sure as hell ain't it ;)[23:59:51] <pfoetchen> I love gentoo because i really can configure evry little thing I want but I would never force someone to use it ;)[23:59:56] <gordonjcp> fucking about with shit that doesn't work and recompiling kernels twenty times a day to get your sound working is not a good use of your time