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[01:02:18] <satellitehelf> yo
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[01:29:09] <Dane_> Does anyone remember what the patch is, to fix the clock drift problem in BeOS when using higher-speed processors?
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[01:30:00] <AlienSoldier> Dane_cpu_fix?
[01:30:39] <Dane_> AlienSoldier Ah maybe so
[01:30:48] <Dane_> AlienSoldier Is that something downloadable anywhere?
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[01:31:02] <Dane_> AlienSoldier Does that require a special bootloader or something?
[01:31:12] * Dane_ strains his memory
[01:31:28] <AlienSoldier> http://www.bebits.com/app/3999
[01:31:49] <Dane_> aha...looks like the winner!
[01:31:53] <Dane_> Thanks so much
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[01:32:55] <Dane_> Pardon the "eat and run"...gotta fly!
[01:32:58] <Dane_> ttyl
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[01:57:46] <satellitehelf> keep dropping out
[02:01:11] <JonathanThompson> You've got to stop doing that!
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[02:03:27] <pyCube> hi
[02:04:13] <umccullough_w> yo?
[02:04:26] <mmadia> does anyone use soundplay in Haiku?
[02:04:35] <mmadia> i'm seeing some serious redraw issues.
[02:04:52] <umccullough_w> the ancient version?
[02:05:01] <mmadia> 4.7.2
[02:05:08] <mmadia> so, yes :)
[02:05:11] <umccullough_w> i assume it used some older version of liblayout
[02:05:49] <mmu_man> yes the latest one uses a private libmedia call
[02:07:55] <CIA-20> mmu_man * r30763 /haiku/trunk/src/data/beos_mime/application/x-vnd.be.url.gopher: Mozilla handles gopher: urls very well btw :P
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[02:09:35] <BePhantom> who uses gopher anyway? :P
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[02:11:02] <mmadia> and #3751's the issue i saw
[02:11:29] <fcr> BePhantom: I used gopher a few weeks ago
[02:11:36] <BePhantom> fcr, really?
[02:11:54] <fcr> yes
[02:13:11] <BePhantom> fcr, what's your fav soccer team? defensor sporting?
[02:13:25] <BePhantom> they are playing against my team now :)
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[02:14:36] <fcr> I don't like soccer :/
[02:14:47] <BePhantom> weirdo :D
[02:14:55] <fcr> indeed
[02:14:57] <BePhantom> shame on you ;)
[02:15:01] <fcr> lol
[02:16:18] <BePhantom> you're uruguayan, you ought to like soccer
[02:16:38] <BePhantom> i bet it's written in your constitution :D
[02:18:16] <fcr> But I'm not alone, I know at least two uruguayans that don't like soccer
[02:19:48] <BePhantom> :P
[02:19:53] <fcr> gol :P
[02:20:00] <BePhantom> i know
[02:20:02] <BePhantom> :P
[02:20:29] <satellitehelf> i have had one issue with ubuntu
[02:20:42] <BePhantom> i have a bunch of neighbours cheering for defensor :P
[02:20:48] <satellitehelf> keyboard input goes schizo for a split second every so often
[02:23:36] <mindchld2> my farts smell like chemicals
[02:23:52] <mindchld2> burn too
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[02:24:40] <satellitehelf> MindChild,
[02:24:53] <satellitehelf> ram
[02:24:55] <satellitehelf> :P
[02:25:02] <BePhantom> thats gross
[02:25:06] <satellitehelf> oh, i need your address again. i got those cds sent back
[02:25:07] <MindChild> :((((((((((
[02:25:14] <MindChild> Ok
[02:25:16] <MindChild> give me a second
[02:25:17] <MindChild> baby
[02:25:20] <satellitehelf> :P
[02:28:43] <BePhantom> fcr, 2-2
[02:28:51] <BePhantom> :P
[02:29:24] <BePhantom> next match we'll be home
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[03:04:34] <pyCube> 'we'?
[03:06:30] <fcr> pyCube: boca juniors and defensor sporting
[03:06:39] <fcr> two soccer teams
[03:07:34] <cps1966> take it back
[03:07:37] <pyCube> youre a player?
[03:08:23] <fcr> pyCube: of course not, If we were players we won't be chatting right now
[03:09:38] <pyCube> i think the proper pronoun is "they", in that case
[03:09:40] <pyCube> :-p
[03:10:09] <cps1966> so sinical
[03:10:24] <pyCube> just a smartass.. heh
[03:10:53] <cps1966> listening to disraili gears
[03:11:06] <pyCube> nice.. been a while since i listed to that
[03:11:11] <pyCube> listened
[03:11:30] <pyCube> been stuck on old peter gabriel era genesis for the past couple weeks
[03:11:40] <cps1966> heh
[03:12:51] <cps1966> i went through all the beatles stuff i had
[03:13:40] <cps1966> even some old beegees
[03:15:15] <satellitehelf> i just realized corsair hasnt sent me a replacement 64gb usb key
[03:15:16] <satellitehelf> bastards
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[03:20:24] <satellitehelf> yo
[03:20:49] <pyCube> when i get around to the interior of my car, i want to put some car computer/media play thing in it.. load it up with mp3s from 1974..nothign else
[03:21:25] <pyCube> thankfully, 1974 is relatively full of good tunes
[03:21:33] <satellitehelf> hehe
[03:21:43] <satellitehelf> my van is at the tranny shop
[03:21:44] <cps1966> i have top 100 of 74
[03:21:57] <pyCube> had i been born (and my car too) in 1987 or so, i think i'd shoot myself
[03:22:12] <pyCube> ..as related to music
[03:22:14] <pyCube> heh
[03:22:15] <cps1966> me too
[03:22:33] <cps1966> sht sucks today 99% of it anyway
[03:23:26] <pyCube> if i want to go all 'sweeping generalization', there hasnt been any good bands since the end of the 70's
[03:23:38] <pyCube> of course there are the exceptions.. but in general..
[03:23:57] <satellitehelf> good god
[03:24:03] <satellitehelf> they have had my key for over a month
[03:24:06] * satellitehelf gets phone
[03:24:07] <cps1966> i do like most of the haair bands of the 80's though
[03:27:36] <cps1966> except for metalica
[03:32:55] <satellitehelf> ok
[03:32:59] <satellitehelf> ubuntu is leaving this laptop
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[03:33:01] <satellitehelf> soon
[03:33:12] <satellitehelf> metalica sucks
[03:33:15] <satellitehelf> god, they stuck
[03:33:40] <pyCube> but rock band on the 80's, without hesitation.. Jane's Addiction
[03:33:46] <pyCube> of
[03:33:59] <satellitehelf> heh
[03:34:01] <satellitehelf> decent
[03:34:02] <satellitehelf> ;P
[03:34:16] <pyCube> didnt say they were like all awesome.. but for the 80s...
[03:34:37] <satellitehelf> gary newman FTW
[03:34:38] <satellitehelf> ;D
[03:34:55] <satellitehelf> HERE IN MY CAR I FEEL SAFEST OF ALL I CAN LOCK ALL MY DOORS ...
[03:35:00] <pyCube> i mean rock in the sense of rock, not hoity-toity new waveness
[03:35:06] <satellitehelf> llol
[03:35:22] <pyCube> hehe
[03:35:33] * satellitehelf blares icky thump
[03:35:53] <satellitehelf> i love the white stripes
[03:36:09] <pyCube> there has been a couple bands in the past several years that really stand out, imo
[03:36:20] <pyCube> white stripes arent among them.. :-p
[03:36:30] <satellitehelf> white stripes rocks
[03:37:03] <satellitehelf> cube, ever had issueso often?s with ubuntu and keyboard input spazzing out every
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[03:37:07] <satellitehelf> .. like just them
[03:37:09] <pyCube> i am thinking things like Wilco, Radiohead, Flaming Lips, ...um i forget,.. heh
[03:37:14] <satellitehelf> cursor jumps around or itll activate another window
[03:37:22] <pyCube> no
[03:37:23] <satellitehelf> flaming lips are good
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[03:37:41] <satellitehelf> it does it on my mini 9 and my other laptop
[03:37:43] <Dane_> Hey there
[03:37:43] <satellitehelf> annoying as hell
[03:37:50] <satellitehelf> other than that, it rokcs.
[03:38:02] <satellitehelf> im getting 4.5hrs instead of 3hrs of batt life like in osx :P
[03:38:06] <satellitehelf> hey dane
[03:38:08] <Dane_> Does anyone know if Haikuware.com is still around?  Seems gone/dead?
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[03:38:24] <satellitehelf> Dane_, hows the business?
[03:38:39] <Dane_> satellitehelf Considering the economy, I can't complain.  :-)
[03:38:41] <mmadia> Dane_ : it is, but seems to be suffering from the same server issues as bebits.com
[03:38:47] <Dane_> mmadia ahh
[03:39:05] <Dane_> Hey, is there anything like cddblinkd that works under Haiku?
[03:39:17] <satellitehelf> Dane_,  awesome :)
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[03:42:00] <mmadia> Dane_ : http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/30736 , perhaps?
[03:42:19] <Dane_> mmadia thanks...llooking
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[03:43:04] <satellitehelf> i like how the weather says "clear" and the wind is picking up and its lightning everywhere
[03:43:35] <Dane_> mmadia looks promising.  If BGA did it, I'll bet it works great
[03:43:40] <pyCube> clear(ly about to storm)
[03:45:38] <satellitehelf> heh
[03:46:20] <satellitehelf> i hope this guy does a good job with my transmission
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[03:52:13] <stpere> night
[03:52:19] <satellitehelf> nighgt
[03:52:30] <satellitehelf> pyCube,  seems to happen when i type fast
[03:52:37] <pyCube> weird
[03:52:43] <satellitehelf> so apparently slow typing like a retard will keep it from happening
[03:52:55] <Kokito> hi Dane_ / stpere
[03:53:08] <pyCube> probably could be addressed via some strange xorg input configgery
[03:53:11] * BePhantom slaps JonathanThompson for constantly poiting at people
[03:53:14] <pyCube> but i have no idea
[03:53:18] <satellitehelf> nope, just did it
[03:53:21] <pyCube> you have weird HW.. heh
[03:53:23] <satellitehelf> bah
[03:53:26] * JonathanThompson poits BePhantom because he needs a good poiting
[03:53:27] <satellitehelf> do not
[03:53:34] <JonathanThompson> Do too!
[03:53:34] <satellitehelf> its a mini 9 for cribes sake :P
[03:53:51] <BePhantom> :D
[03:53:55] <pyCube> R2 Do Too
[03:54:17] <pyCube> Artie Dootie
[03:54:19] <satellitehelf> i saw that old disney movie "blackhole" last night
[03:54:23] <pyCube> heh
[03:54:23] <satellitehelf> it was decent until the end
[03:54:31] <satellitehelf> where i think the writers and director got bored
[03:54:38] <satellitehelf> it just completely fell apart
[03:54:43] <satellitehelf> it was like a train wreck
[03:54:50] <satellitehelf> i just couldnt stop watching it was so bad
[03:54:56] <pyCube> i remember nothing of that movie aside from the guns that looked like [
[03:55:22] <satellitehelf> hehe, yeah
[03:55:25] <pyCube> havent seen it since, what, 81ish?
[03:55:26] <satellitehelf> and the smart ass robot
[03:55:38] <pyCube> man
[03:55:43] <pyCube> i's getting old
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[03:55:52] <satellitehelf> old farte
[03:55:58] <pyCube> Ye olde..
[03:56:03] <satellitehelf> what are you, 30 ? :P
[03:56:16] <pyCube> 35
[03:56:19] <pyCube> heh
[03:56:27] <satellitehelf> thats not even half way
[03:56:58] <pyCube> still.. its odd to have memories that are 20 years old, and they are memories of being pretty much "gorwn up"
[03:57:10] <pyCube> grown too
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[03:57:22] <BePhantom> pyCube, you're a prepubescent
[03:57:24] <satellitehelf> :)
[03:57:30] <satellitehelf> BePhantom,  is like 60
[03:57:37] <BePhantom> lol no, im 28
[03:57:53] <satellitehelf> good lord
[03:57:58] <satellitehelf> knocking on heavens door
[03:58:11] <BePhantom> how old are you satellitehelf?
[03:58:16] <satellitehelf> 12
[03:58:17] <satellitehelf> er
[03:58:18] <satellitehelf> 21
[03:58:25] <pyCube> same difference
[03:58:27] <pyCube> :-p
[03:58:32] <satellitehelf> basically :P
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[04:01:02] <satellitehelf> BePhantom, mentally, im not sure how old i am :]
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[04:01:22] <satellitehelf> morning, AlienSoldier
[04:01:33] <AlienSoldier> hi satellitehelf
[04:02:02] <BePhantom> satellitehelf, are helf | laptop and you the same?
[04:02:14] <AlienSoldier> finished another dreamcast game, Vanishing Point
[04:02:33] <satellitehelf> AlienSoldier,  any good?
[04:02:45] <satellitehelf> BePhantom, There is only Helf
[04:02:46] <BePhantom> i never with a dreamcast :(
[04:02:53] <BePhantom> played*
[04:02:56] <BePhantom> :P
[04:03:05] <satellitehelf> i just happen to add lots of nonsense to my nicks a lot
[04:03:11] <AlienSoldier> yep, good arcade racer, A mix of daytona/ ridge racer and sega GT
[04:03:29] <BePhantom> daytona... ridge racer, awesome!
[04:03:30] <satellitehelf> if anyone ever comes in with a helf nick that doesnt act like an immature womanizer, then it isnt me
[04:03:36] <satellitehelf> cool
[04:03:41] <satellitehelf> i need to get more DC games
[04:03:49] <AlienSoldier> stpere how was the wind on your side?
[04:03:50] <satellitehelf> i need to play through rez again
[04:03:56] <BePhantom> i got ridge racer emulator (and rom)
[04:04:00] <satellitehelf> i sat and played through rez in like 4 hours one day
[04:04:49] <AlienSoldier> satellitehelf i want to play it again on the HD X360 version
[04:05:14] <satellitehelf> i want to get the control ;OP
[04:06:32] <BePhantom> satellitehelf, are you in a satellite orbiting the earth?
[04:06:37] <satellitehelf> i wish
[04:09:29] <BePhantom> just make sure you don't spit over argentina, it may fall on my head
[04:09:58] <satellitehelf> im still going to mail you twizzlers, damnit :)
[04:10:14] <BePhantom> lol
[04:10:18] * satellitehelf ate 2lbs of them on his drive back from texas
[04:11:16] <BePhantom> you need my address for that :P
[04:11:24] <satellitehelf> gimme
[04:11:44] <satellitehelf> you must try twizzlers before dying of old age next year
[04:11:47] <BePhantom> i'll email it to you
[04:12:05] <satellitehelf> :)
[04:12:16] <BePhantom> i need your email
[04:12:29] <satellitehelf> helforama at gmail dot com
[04:12:42] <BePhantom> next year? :P
[04:13:18] <satellitehelf> :P
[04:16:05] <satellitehelf> yeah, ubuntu is leaving soon. this is unusable
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[04:17:23] <BePhantom> satellitehelf, check your mail
[04:17:45] <satellitehelf> cool
[04:18:44] <satellitehelf> much trouble, ha, just a customs form ive had to fill out 9 million times :P
[04:18:54] <satellitehelf> and i must spread the joy that is Twizzlers
[04:19:55] <BePhantom> i hope i wont die from twizzlers overdoze :D
[04:20:17] <satellitehelf> heh
[04:20:23] <satellitehelf> you may not even like them, but meh
[04:22:13] <BePhantom> i'm sure i'll like it
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[04:24:04] <satellitehelf> hi matt
[04:24:54] <mmadia> hey josh
[04:25:10] * mmadia sick :\
[04:25:55] <satellitehelf> OMG SWINE FLU
[04:25:58] * satellitehelf runs away
[04:27:04] <BePhantom> poiting man, you there?
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[04:27:51] <BePhantom> mmadia, you got crabs?
[04:27:54] <satellitehelf> heh
[04:28:07] <satellitehelf> promiscuous mmadiaaaaaaa
[04:28:24] <BePhantom> haha
[04:28:36] * mmadia refrains from a 'yo mama' joke :P
[04:28:50] <satellitehelf> psh, my moms a freaking cougar anyways
[04:28:52] <satellitehelf> :P
[04:29:03] <satellitehelf> her current boy toy is like 10 years younger than her
[04:29:09] <BePhantom> haha
[04:29:15] * BePhantom laughs his ass off
[04:29:21] <satellitehelf> really!
[04:31:13] <BePhantom> i have 400+ unreaded messages in my gmail box :P
[04:31:39] <satellitehelf> yeash, i have like 600
[04:31:49] <satellitehelf> i need to clean it out
[04:33:24] <BePhantom> i just finished cleaning
[04:34:31] <satellitehelf> heh
[04:34:38] <satellitehelf> and still have 400?
[04:37:07] <ulterior_modem> Hello, all!
[04:38:38] <satellitehelf> hey man
[04:41:44] <BePhantom> i'll be back in a bit, i have to watch lost season finale :)
[04:42:47] <satellitehelf> :)
[04:42:49] <satellitehelf> ok
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[05:08:17] <satellitehelf> night
[05:08:35] <pyCube_> yep
[05:12:46] * JonathanThompson looks at a page about waterless cookware claiming "you can cook juicy hamburgers with no oil" and contemplates that...
[05:13:16] <JonathanThompson> Do they mean lean meat burgers with no additional oil, or do they actually add oil when *they* cook hamburgers otherwise???
[05:15:41] <Carbamide> When I cook hamburgers, I put a tiny bit of oil in the pan
[05:15:51] * JonathanThompson falls over
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[05:16:05] <JonathanThompson> I have *never* added something to a pan to cook hamburgers.
[05:16:21] <JonathanThompson> (Not even lean meat)
[05:16:40] * JonathanThompson also doesn't cook the real lean stuff at a high temperature, either
[05:18:07] <pyCube_> i usually use a little olive oil
[05:19:28] <JonathanThompson> Interesting.
[05:19:52] <JonathanThompson> Well, if you're going to add oil, olive oil is probably the best one you could add.
[05:21:15] <Hodapp> I haven't managed to cook burgers in a pan without fucking them up.
[05:22:21] * JonathanThompson wonders how many people these days can't cook to save their lives
[05:22:31] <JonathanThompson> You mean burning them, or way underdone, or what?
[05:22:56] <pyCube_> JonathanThompson: i proabbly dont need it, but i like the flavor it imparts.. also, i usually add things to the oil, and its a nice carrier of flavor
[05:23:01] <Hodapp> JonathanThompson: both.
[05:23:21] <JonathanThompson> Well, time for me to leave for a walk in a couple of minutes...
[05:23:34] <JonathanThompson> Hodapp: perhaps you have lousy, thin pans you're using?
[05:23:43] <Hodapp> JonathanThompson: Perhaps.
[05:23:48] <Hodapp> JonathanThompson: I haven't tried on my cast iron yet.
[05:23:48] <JonathanThompson> Good pans=easy to cook things without burning, assuming you don't run a high heat.
[05:23:50] <pyCube_> even then.. heh.. tough to mess up a burger
[05:24:16] <JonathanThompson> I figured out years ago how to thoroughly cook hamburgers without ever turning them over, given the right pan with a lid.
[05:24:16] <Hodapp> pyCube_: The reason I haven't been able to cook one properly is that every single fucking set of instructions says "Cook until done."
[05:24:26] <pyCube_> ..and ?
[05:24:44] * JonathanThompson facepalms
[05:24:52] * JonathanThompson goes out for a walk
[05:24:53] <pyCube_> you have eyeballs, right?>
[05:24:58] <Hodapp> they don't go into any detail about how to tell.
[05:25:21] <pyCube_> i am very sure that if you saw/bit into a not-done burger, you'd know
[05:25:32] <pyCube_> "done" is when its how you like it
[05:25:42] <pyCube_> there is no detail to go into
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[05:26:07] <Hodapp> There is plenty of detail, you just assume I've done this before.
[05:26:12] <Hodapp> Guess what, I haven't.
[05:26:45] <pyCube_> i dont assume anything other than that you have a) experience eating, b) functional eyeballs
[05:26:58] <pyCube_> i honestly think youre overthinking things
[05:27:45] <pyCube_> cooking isnt engineering.. rules arent hard and precise
[05:27:46] <Hodapp> It doesn't take massive amounts of overthinking to realize every attempt I've made here has been severely fucked up in terms of either being totally overdone, or being scorched on the outside and still raw on the inside.
[05:28:01] <AlienSoldier> cooking is chemistry :)
[05:28:24] <pyCube_> you can see how applying too much heat would char the outside while leaving the inside undercooked, right?
[05:28:40] <Hodapp> Um, yeah.
[05:29:02] <pyCube_> and how adding a lid would keep heat contained, giving a sort of oven effect.. helping to cook thoroughly?
[05:29:08] <Hodapp> Ideally.
[05:29:13] <pyCube_> hehe
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[05:29:53] <pyCube_> anyway, what i tell me kids.. "go f**k up your meal.. not really any other way to figure out how to not f**k up..."
[05:30:34] <pyCube_> and yell at them when they try to follow  recipe to the letter
[05:31:02] <Hodapp> I don't try to follow recipes to the letter, but I do expect instructions to have some degree of precision to them.
[05:31:24] <pyCube_> but.. there is rarely anything to be precise about
[05:31:36] <Hodapp> There is plenty to be precise about, you just ignore it.
[05:31:59] <Hodapp> And I'm not talking hard precision here, I'm talking +- 25% most of the time.
[05:32:23] <pyCube_> you can precisely do impressionist painting.. following rules and whatnot, but at that point, its not impressionist.. may as well be realism/tehcnical drawing
[05:32:35] <Hodapp> I want the recipe to give me a fucking idea and I can work out the rest on my own.
[05:32:58] <pyCube_> heh
[05:33:20] <pyCube_> overly hot oven/stove is a very common way to f**k up a meal
[05:33:22] <Hodapp> and for the most part, every recipe I've tried has worked this way.
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[05:34:44] <pyCube_> cooking is more about 'feel', as gained through time/experience, than rules
[05:34:59] <Hodapp> uh, dude
[05:35:02] <Hodapp> I fucking know that
[05:36:21] <pyCube_> ok.. i thought you might have forgotten, given your comments about wanting more precision in recipes
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[05:37:57] <Hodapp> I didn't say I want more precision in recipes.
[05:38:38] <Hodapp> The vast majority of recipes I deal with are more than enough precise.
[05:39:18] <pyCube_> ok.. whatever.  not trying to piss you off.  as to cooking a burger, next time to destroy one, remember what you did, and adjust accordingly next time.. repeat until you figure it out.. heheh
[05:40:30] <Hodapp> After trying a variety of other recipes, I came to the realization that I really don't even like burgers that much.
[05:40:44] <pyCube_> hehe
[05:41:01] <Hodapp> I like trying random stuff.
[05:42:18] <pyCube_> i am glad that i got a lot of my cooking experimentation done when i was like 12 or so
[05:42:49] <Hodapp> hmm, I should get that bacon out of the freezer and make it to re-season my cast iron
[05:43:01] <Hodapp> then I have bacon grease to make stuff with too
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[05:50:06] <pyCube_> cast iron rules
[05:50:24] <pyCube_> especially giant cast iron dutch ovens
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[05:57:13] <Hodapp> I need to get one of those
[05:57:17] <Hodapp> right now I just have a cast iron griddle
[05:57:36] <Hodapp> supremely awesome for simple stuff like pancakes or grilled sandwiches
[05:57:45] <pyCube_> yeah
[05:58:08] <Hodapp> can't seem to make eggs on this one... it's convex so they skid to the outside edge and never cook right
[05:59:46] <pyCube_> i finally went out and got a nice egg pan..
[06:00:25] <pyCube_> lately i've been into poached eggs
[06:00:26] <geist> grats
[06:00:44] <Hodapp> I have another pan I can do eggs okay in, especially if I do them at really low heat and then pour some water in the pan and put the lid on
[06:01:07] <Hodapp> I found poached eggs very easy but I am just not a huge egg fan
[06:01:28] <Hodapp> just the mix of flavor and texture doesn't work well sometimes with me
[06:01:40] <Hodapp> but I make frittatas a lot and I love those
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[06:02:40] <pyCube_> the other night my wife made some little cupcakey things made from polenta, topped with bacon and an egg.. then baked.. good stuff
[06:06:55] <pyCube_> i like food
[06:06:57] <pyCube_> heh
[06:06:59] <geist> sounds good
[06:07:43] <Hodapp> hmmm
[06:10:22] <pyCube_> i know a lot of ex-vegetarians who say that it was bacon that finally made them give it up
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[06:20:11] <Hugen_> hi
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[06:44:39] <BePhantom> great season finale :)
[06:44:58] <MrSunshine_> of what?
[06:45:04] <BePhantom> lost
[06:45:12] <MrSunshine_> ahh trying to get my hands on it but not going to well :/
[06:45:24] <BePhantom> do it asap
[06:45:33] <BePhantom> i wont spoil it for you so dont worry
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[06:51:41] <AlienSoldier> BePhantom the best part is that next season is the last
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[06:52:07] <BePhantom> when is it coming out?
[06:52:19] <BePhantom> you don't like the show AlienSoldier?
[06:52:52] <AlienSoldier> 2010
[06:53:05] <BePhantom> crap, that's a lot of time :P
[06:53:12] <AlienSoldier> i do, but i don't like show that "all my children" too much
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[07:30:07] <BePhantom> haha awesome http://www.theonion.com/content/radio_news/space_station_crew_members?utm_source=onion_rss_daily
[07:30:50] <BePhantom> "Space Station Crew Members Deny Throwing Things At Sweden" lol
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[07:48:28] <BePhantom> uruguayo balin
[07:48:33] <BePhantom> :D
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[10:28:06] <Teknomancer> morning
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[12:02:29] <CIA-20> zooey * r30764 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/TextView.cpp:
[12:02:29] <CIA-20> * adjusted _HandleInputMethodChanged() to not blindly insert the string that
[12:02:29] <CIA-20> has been given via the inline input method, but to feed the individual
[12:02:29] <CIA-20> UTF8-characters it contains to KeyDown() - this way special keys like
[12:02:29] <CIA-20> B_BACKSPACE and cursor keys will be handled correctly instead of producing
[12:02:30] <CIA-20> a "unknown char rectangle"
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[12:08:11] <CIA-20> zooey * r30765 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/input_server/devices/keyboard/Keymap.cpp:
[12:08:11] <CIA-20> * if a dead key sequence does not produce a special character as defined by
[12:08:11] <CIA-20> the dead key character map - both the dead key itself and the following
[12:08:11] <CIA-20> character are being sent.
[12:08:11] <CIA-20> R5 seems to do the same, at least the resulting behaviour in the terminal
[12:08:12] <CIA-20> is now identical: e.g. if you press ^ once, you see nothing, if you press ^ a
[12:08:16] <CIA-20> second time, you see '^^'.
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[12:57:57] <Dane_> Good morning
[12:59:02] <Dane_> Does anyone know how whether it is possible under BeOS to set up networking to work with a proxy?
[13:02:28] <Teknomancer> hi Dane_
[13:02:38] <Dane_> Hi Teknomancer!
[13:02:42] <Dane_> Nice to see you
[13:02:43] <Teknomancer> how goes it?
[13:02:47] <Teknomancer> like wise :)
[13:02:51] <Dane_> Good!  How's life for you?
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[13:03:00] <Teknomancer> hmm a bit hectic and monotonous
[13:03:00] <Dane_> Howdy judgen
[13:03:07] <judgen> geist Are you awake?
[13:03:10] <Dane_> Teknomancer What are you doing these days
[13:03:15] <Teknomancer> but at least i have my german classes as a 'break'
[13:03:20] <judgen> Dane_ Howdy, its been a while.
[13:03:25] <Teknomancer> Dane_:  same old, working on vbox
[13:03:39] <Dane_> Yes judgen!
[13:03:54] <Teknomancer> Dane_:  TT doing well i hope
[13:04:08] <Dane_> Teknomancer judgen Do either of you know how to set up to use BeOS to network at a school where there's a proxy server?
[13:04:26] <judgen> Dane_ you get an ip?
[13:04:59] <Dane_> judgen I'm asking for a customer who is at a school in GB
[13:05:05] <Teknomancer> hmm, haven't played much with beos networking
[13:05:40] <Dane_> I know nothing about proxy or how it works, so I'm not sure what to do to help them.
[13:05:59] <judgen> Dane_ what kind og proxy? For the most, if you get an ip you can use firefox proxy settings for browsing from within the application.
[13:06:46] <judgen> Or do you mean bound adresses to proxy at an universal level. then no i dont thin either windows, macos or BeOS can do that at the moment.
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[13:08:56] <judgen_> Damn wireless
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[13:09:25] <Dane_> judgen I'm not sure, they just mentioned they couldn't get networking through their proxy
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[13:09:36] <Dane_> judgen I'm not sure, they just mentioned they couldn't get networking through their proxy
[13:09:49] <judgen> Are they using dhcp?
[13:10:03] <Dane_> Teknomancer TT keeps buzzing along.  Surviving the weird economy so far.
[13:10:14] <Dane_> judgen Not sure
[13:11:08] <judgen> Dane_ sweden seems to be out of the crisis the economy over here is burstling, the stock index of the OMX is up at 33% in two months and ordering index is up by 45% compared to 60 moths ago.
[13:11:13] <judgen> 6 months
[13:11:44] <judgen> Dane_ do they even get an ip?
[13:11:53] <Teknomancer> Dane_:  nice :)
[13:12:05] <Dane_> judgen That's great news
[13:12:15] <Dane_> judgen Unknown...
[13:12:45] <judgen> Dane_ you should definitly post commercial servers using TT on your site so we can sponsor them by listening.
[13:13:26] <Dane_> judgen Thanks, nice offer.  Will consider that.
[13:13:34] <Dane_> brb
[13:14:00] <gordonjcp> TT?
[13:14:05] <judgen> Dane_ BeOS has never had problems with routing, even with proxy. MAybe they are using a NIC that is not supported or they have removed the settings file. ( it can be restored by changeing anything in the net_server settings or through boneyard and then save)
[13:14:24] <judgen> gordonjcp just about the best radiostation software there is.
[13:14:29] <gordonjcp> cool
[13:14:45] <judgen> gordonjcp its BeOS/Haiku exclusive afaik.
[13:15:02] <judgen> It beats shoutstation and alot of others.
[13:15:34] <judgen> Ive never put up a station though, but ive tried the TT supplied to me by Dane, and i must say i love it.
[13:16:22] <Dane_> judgen most kind  :-)
[13:16:29] <judgen> Dane_ the scoolboard in Pite is interested in a total overhaul of their radio transmission software.
[13:16:51] <judgen> They are currently using some crappy shit on MacOS9
[13:18:08] <Dane_> judgen send them our way!  :-)
[13:18:20] <Dane_> We sell worldwide...just about to close a deal in India
[13:18:41] <judgen> Dane_ im not on the board, but ill recomend you to the teachers.
[13:18:50] <Dane_> thanks
[13:19:19] <judgen> Dane_ ive forgot to try that function, but you do have volume normalization right?
[13:20:02] <Dane_> judgen Not in real-time.  TunePrepper normalizes tracks though, and we also have a new volume boost feature you can set per song
[13:20:17] <judgen> ok
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[13:20:27] <Dane_> judgen There's also a dynamics plugin for soundplay
[13:20:35] <judgen> true.
[13:20:41] <Dane_> that lets you do automatic gain control
[13:20:54] <Dane_> compression, limiting
[13:22:03] <judgen> Dane_ a nice feature would be integrating zip into TT so you can play zipped content without extracting them.
[13:22:36] <Teknomancer> why would anyone zip mp3s?
[13:23:01] <Teknomancer> zip with compression that is
[13:23:05] <judgen> Teknomancer if you have billions of them some radiostations seems to archive old stuff into zips by name.
[13:23:41] <Teknomancer> judgen:  hmm, zip + compression gains nothing usually - they probably just archive not compress
[13:24:06] <judgen> Dane_ if they where using it for education (freebie for your in software theaching) would there be a discount?
[13:24:07] <Teknomancer> haven't tried zipping on extremely large volumesets but for those i tried zipping mp3s gained nothing substantial
[13:24:13] <judgen> Teknomancer i know.
[13:24:21] <judgen> Teknomancer but they still do it.
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[13:24:32] <Teknomancer> i see, don't know about the stations
[13:24:42] <Dane_> judgen Interesting notion, though our system relies heavily on file attributes and the Be file system to do its "magic."  :-)
[13:25:29] <judgen> Dane_ i know that, but it would probably wouldnt need to much magic just to ride a classic unusal song.
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[13:25:39] <doohan> hello everyone
[13:25:45] <judgen> howdy doohan
[13:26:09] <Dane_> judgen What it amounts to is that the files that are "found" when generating playlists, are found via attributes.
[13:26:30] <doohan> I have a question about the openjdk effort, is it still alive and well?
[13:26:32] <Dane_> judgen There *is* a special discount right now.
[13:26:43] <Dane_> Hi doohan
[13:27:07] <judgen> Dane_ you dont have to be able to search those zips, just look in them and have possibillity to extend the file to playslit.
[13:27:19] <judgen> Sorry for my awful spelling.
[13:27:40] <judgen> Dane_ the descicion is during the summer vacation..
[13:28:58] <judgen> Dane_ but i must say, they still pay liscence for that old crappy os9 shit.
[13:29:13] <judgen> and liscense is still ceaper than your basic.
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[13:29:34] <Dane_> judgen As the old saying goes, you get what you pay for.
[13:29:46] <judgen> allthough if its for learning they need the full package.
[13:30:05] <judgen> but with the new budget, there is plenty of money in pite
[13:30:42] <judgen> what is the discount on a mass liscense? lets say 10, 100 or 1000 computers?
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[13:31:02] <Dane_> judgen The best way to go, and what we usually recommend, is something called the "Command Center 80 Station-in-a-Box"  Comes with compatible hardware.
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[13:31:41] <judgen> Agree, but i need a sales point to convince them. MOre than my limited personal experience.
[13:31:41] <Dane_> judgen We do offer mass discounts, but we calculate them on a case-by-case basis.
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[13:32:23] <judgen> Dane_ Its one ofthe biggest media education programmed in scandinavia.
[13:32:34] <judgen> so 10 is unrealistic.
[13:32:36] <gordonjcp> Teknomancer: zip == equivalent of tarball that doesn't scare non-Unixy people
[13:33:00] <Teknomancer> gordonjcp: yes understood, that's why i meantioned zip + compression explicitly :)
[13:33:02] <Dane_> judgen I'd point them toward Command Center rather than TT Basic
[13:33:35] <Dane_> TT Basic is a little "too" basic for most schools.  :-)
[13:34:06] <Dane_> They'll want a cool inteface that kids can use to get a sense of what real radio is like.
[13:34:33] <Dane_> http://www.tunetrackersystems.com/command_center.html
[13:35:33] <judgen> Ill talk to them, i would love to see more Be/H software in sweden.
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[13:35:50] <Dane_> zillions of "sales points" on that page  :-)
[13:35:53] <Dane_> good, thanks!
[13:36:25] <judgen> Btw i noticed the other day a commercial sign in sweden with the BeOS "the applicationa crashed" message =)
[13:36:36] <judgen> in the capitol of norrbotten none the less.
[13:36:41] <gordonjcp> heh
[13:37:06] <judgen> i wish i had a camera
[13:37:16] <Dane_> hehe
[13:37:19] <Dane_> oops
[13:37:27] <judgen> And i think it was BePDF that crashed. but i aint sure.
[13:38:07] <Dane_> judgen I know what software they were probably using.
[13:38:17] <judgen> Dane_?
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[13:38:46] <Dane_> judgen There was a development effort a few years ago that used BeOS to create lighted signs
[13:39:23] <judgen> It was huge, the entire sign was covered with tthe message that it didnt work =)
[13:39:24] <judgen> hehe
[13:39:35] <Dane_> :-)
[13:39:39] <judgen> i laughed, but still felt some pride for some reason.
[13:40:45] <Dane_> gotta run...ttyl
[13:40:50] <judgen> What i wanted to film is when the guy clicking the button.
[13:40:58] <judgen> clicked*
[13:41:33] <judgen> Dane_ thanks for you conversation
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[13:54:56] <doohan> So no thought on java on haiku?
[13:58:46] <gordonjcp> you could port it
[14:00:39] <doohan> Well there's already a openjdk-haiku porting team apparently.
[14:01:01] <doohan> But there doesn't seem to have been any updates since the announcement that there was  a team :)
[14:01:03] <gordonjcp> well then, get coding ;-)
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[14:12:41] <Teknomancer> it seems java and beos/haiku/zeta are just not destined to make it :P
[14:13:37] <mmadia> what are you talking about?
[14:13:43] <mmadia> i have java with Haiku everyday.
[14:13:56] <mmadia> sometimes as much as 5 or 6 cups  ;)
[14:14:24] <doohan> haha
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[14:18:13] <mmadia> 8 more days until the official start of GSoC coding period!
[14:20:03] <helf|laptop> hi
[14:20:18] <Teknomancer> hi helf|laptop
[14:20:24] <mmadia> morning josh
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[14:22:17] <doohan> That's going to be like midnight here
[14:22:46] <doohan> Well I guess skynet will be less rammed in the morning when I wake up.
[14:25:31] <doohan> Wrong channel :P
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[14:34:35] <helf|laptop> grr.. im about to wipe ubuntu
[14:36:48] <ln-> good!
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[14:38:49] <mmadia> any ideas how large the buildtools tree is ?
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[14:50:17] <helf|laptop> ln-, good?
[14:53:04] <doohan> He didn't tell you that he was wiping it so he could put win98 on it :P
[14:53:13] <helf|laptop> heh
[14:53:20] <helf|laptop> ew
[14:55:35] <mmadia> has anyone tried checking out leavengood's webkit repository?   svn co http://ryanleavengood.com/svn/repo/WebKit/trunk/ WebKit.leavengood
[14:56:11] <iMax_pp> yes I did.
[14:56:43] <mmadia> how many mb is it?
[14:56:53] <gordonjcp> mmadia: empty or with a built buildtool system?
[14:57:18] <mmadia> gordonjcp : just the sources + .svn folders
[14:57:59] <iMax_pp> I have 139Mb without any compiled file in it.
[14:58:31] <mmadia> do you know how many files, iMax_pp ?
[14:59:02] <mmadia> i've only 129mb with 12967.  during the checkout and subsequent updates i get :
[14:59:03] <mmadia>  svn: REPORT request failed on '/svn/repo/!svn/vcc/default'
[14:59:04] <mmadia>  svn: REPORT of '/svn/repo/!svn/vcc/default': 400 Bad Request (http://ryanleavengood.com)
[14:59:42] <iMax_pp> I have 6080 files, but I don't know if it includes the .svn ones.
[15:01:31] <iMax_pp> :-/ strange, I don't get any error when "svn up" it.
[15:03:20] <mmadia> bah..
[15:03:37] <mmadia> darn pre-alpha OS.
[15:05:56] <helf|laptop> yeah, why cant those damn developers get it done already
[15:05:57] <helf|laptop> ;P
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[15:34:31] <yoritomo> hello all
[15:34:38] <helf|laptop> hi
[15:35:27] <yoritomo> i need some help to install the raw image of Haiku
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[15:36:23] <yoritomo> the hard drive i plan to install it has already 2 partitions on beginning and 10gb free on the end, and of course i don't want to scratch the existing partitions how to do ?
[15:37:00] <mmadia> from which OS ?
[15:37:29] <yoritomo> i could not find any help about the raw image installation on the wiki
[15:37:38] <yoritomo> from linux ubuntu
[15:38:26] <mmadia> you could either build it from source code, which will allow you to install it to the 10gb (created as a partition)  --- or ---
[15:39:17] <mmadia> you could create a 410MB partition and then another one using the rest of the space.  you could then `dd` the raw haiku image to that 410mb partition.   use makebootable-tiny to fix the bootsector, ....
[15:39:46] <mmadia> boot into that 410mb partition and then use Haiku's `Installer` to install itself to the larger ~10gb partition.
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[15:43:21] <yoritomo> oh ok then i will start it by grub
[15:43:54] <helf|laptop> spacewalk feed going on on nasa tv
[15:48:08] <yoritomo> mmadia i format both partitions as ext2fs ? and the installer will reformat it as BeFS  ?
[15:48:25] <mmadia> formatting isn't necessary.
[15:49:06] <mmadia> the partition type isn't necessary either, though 0xeb (iirc) is preferred as that's the code for a BeOS partition -- this will simply make it easier to identify the partitions outside of haiku.
[15:49:55] <mmadia> when you `dd` the raw image file, the BFS filesystem will be properly set up.
[15:50:16] <mmadia> then once booted inside that 410mb install, you can use DriveSetup to initialize the 2nd larger partition.
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[15:50:36] <yoritomo> what is dd ? how to fit the image on that partition ?
[15:51:02] <gordonjcp> mmadia: or use makebootabletiny
[15:51:38] <mmadia> right gordonjcp , that's also necessary for setting up the 410mb partition.
[15:52:29] <mmadia> yoritomo : there are various guides that explain dd and how to determine the path of your partition.
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[15:53:02] <mmadia> at this point, the information is becoming specific to your operating system and not haiku :)
[15:53:41] <yoritomo> this haiku.image should be opened with which tool under linux?
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[15:56:29] <yoritomo> i mean what kind of image is it ?
[15:57:51] <HeTo> it's a raw BFS file system image, no tool under Linux needs to actually understand it
[15:58:15] <HeTo> it's enough that you get it on a partition and, after that, makebootable-tiny the partition
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[16:10:42] <yoritomo> HeTo then i just dezip it there ?
[16:11:45] <MindChild> man, it's hard performing brain surgery with a chainsaw
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[16:13:22] <yoritomo> is it a tutorial i can consult for this procedure? i could not find it after searching
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[16:17:40] <gordonjcp> yoritomo: is this for installing to a hard disk generally, or installing to a larger partition?
[16:19:31] <yoritomo> i just created at end of my hdd, a little partition 410MB to extract the image, and 9,5 GB for Haiku itself
[16:19:45] <gordonjcp> okay
[16:19:54] <gordonjcp> 410MB should be big enough
[16:20:30] <gordonjcp> yoritomo: unzip the image, dd it onto the 410MB partition and then get and compile makebootabletiny
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[16:21:08] <gordonjcp> and then say "sudo ./makebootabletiny /dev/XXXX" where XXXX is the partition you just dd'ed to
[16:21:18] <gordonjcp> yoritomo: do you use grub?
[16:21:43] <yoritomo> yes i do
[16:22:09] <gordonjcp> if you do, at the end of menu.lst add "title Haiku\nroot (hd0,n)\nchainloader +1"
[16:22:16] <gordonjcp> bum, the \n's didn't come out right
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[16:22:19] <gordonjcp> you get the idea
[16:22:48] <gordonjcp> hd0,n is the partition you boot Haiku from - numbered from zero so if it's /dev/sda5 like me then you put (hd0,4)
[16:23:02] <gordonjcp> dead easy
[16:23:48] <yoritomo> yes sdc3
[16:24:23] <yoritomo> thanks, firstly i install the image in the 410MB partition
[16:24:48] <HeTo> sdc sounds pretty nasty
[16:25:19] <HeTo> unless it's the first hard drive recognised by the BIOS (i.e. sda and sdb are usb sticks or something and thus not seen by BIOS) you won't be able to boot Haiku with GRUB
[16:25:22] <yoritomo> why that ?
[16:25:53] <HeTo> of course you can set up GRUB on the Linux partition, instead of the MBR, and install some other boot manager in the MBR
[16:25:54] <yoritomo> yes i did with windows before on sdc3 ;) don't worry
[16:26:22] <gordonjcp> yoritomo: so you've already got a section in menu.lst to boot (hd0,2) ?
[16:27:51] <yoritomo> now i restored the content of the image to the little partition
[16:28:02] <yoritomo> then i will use makeboot--tiny
[16:29:24] <yoritomo> ./makebootabletiny: command not found
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[16:39:18] <yoritomo> ok i compiled the c file with gcc and now i did makebootable tiny
[16:40:25] <yoritomo> then just need to configure grub to boot on that image now then?
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[16:42:29] <yoritomo> gordonjcp i am touching my grub now
[16:42:53] <yoritomo> and i had the entry to the little partition where is installed the image, right ?
[16:43:48] <yoritomo> need to use "map" to fake the disks order ?
[16:44:17] <HeTo> well I didn't have luck with map either when Haiku was on hd1
[16:44:45] <HeTo> had to install BeOS bootman in the MBR to be able to boot Haiku
[16:45:11] <yoritomo> really ? :o windows is not going to love it
[16:45:21] <HeTo> but you can try different things with chainloading, luckily GRUB has a command line and a boot command editor
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[16:46:23] <HeTo> of course, bootman isn't probably the only MBR that can boot Haiku from a secondary hard drive, you may have success with something else
[16:46:39] <HeTo> oh, and is GRUB installed on hd0 or something else?
[16:46:54] <gordonjcp> is there a Haiku version of BeOS boot manager?
[16:47:04] <umccullough> there is one
[16:47:20] <HeTo> because I had GRUB on hd0, you may have success if you have GRUB on the same drive as Haiku
[16:47:56] <umccullough> gordonjcp, just type "bootman" from a terminal
[16:49:00] <umccullough> note, don't try to use it if you're using one of the raw images or vmware images in a virtual machine, because there's no partition table on those
[16:49:08] <yoritomo> grub is installed on HD2
[16:49:20] <yoritomo> HD1 sorry
[16:49:29] <gordonjcp> umccullough: I have an image installed to /dev/sda6
[16:49:30] <yoritomo> because hdb
[16:49:43] <umccullough> gordonjcp, ah, so if you boot into haiku, you can use "bootman"
[16:49:52] <umccullough> gordonjcp, but it will overwrite whatever you have in your MBR
[16:49:57] <yoritomo> then when i will boot first time on it, i will get an installer ?
[16:50:00] <umccullough> and honestly, i've never tested it :)
[16:50:46] <HeTo> afaik it's unfinished
[16:51:04] <gordonjcp> umccullough: y'knaa I might just take a wee backup of the MBR first
[16:51:12] <umccullough> ;)
[16:51:15] <HeTo> yoritomo: you'll get the Haiku desktop
[16:51:30] <umccullough> bbl
[16:52:15] <yoritomo> then i made a partition 410mb that will not be to small for the future configs ? i can't install it directly in the big partition ?
[16:52:23] <HeTo> but if you want Haiku on the bigger partition, you can run the Installer from the menu
[16:53:10] <HeTo> if you want to install Haiku directly to the bigger partition, without first installing it on the smaller partition and manually installing to the bigger from there every time you wish to update your Haiku, you need to build it from sources
[16:53:12] <yoritomo> ok then i will reboot on it now and try eat
[16:53:53] <yoritomo> i will come back soon to tell you
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[17:13:34] <yoritomo> i am back
[17:13:57] <yoritomo> no good nzw, it is not booting, grub just said it is not a bootable partition
[17:14:06] <yoritomo> news
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[17:14:35] <gordonjcp> yoritomo: did you do the makebootabletiny thing?
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[17:15:54] <yoritomo> rootnoverify	(hd2,3)
[17:15:55] <yoritomo> chainloader	+1
[17:16:19] <yoritomo> yes i did but looks like not working
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[17:17:09] <gordonjcp> yeah, I think it *needs* to be on the first disk
[17:17:10] <yoritomo> hd2,3 =  hdc3 right ?
[17:17:33] <yoritomo> or hd2,2 ?
[17:18:03] <HeTo> (hd2,2) IIRC
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[17:20:13] <yoritomo> IIRC ?
[17:20:21] <HeTo> if I recall correctly
[17:20:35] <yoritomo> ok i will try it again then i come back ;)
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[19:09:45] <tqh> was there a recent bug for ps/2 related kdl?
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[19:12:48] <mmadia> i think jonas mentioned something of it recently.
[19:13:14] <mmadia> #3954 perhaps?
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[19:38:48] <OscarL> Is anyone else having problems downloading Haiku images from haiku-files.org?
[19:40:26] <mmadia> what type of problems?
[19:40:42] <OscarL> I connect... get somewhere around 70 KB/s for a few seconds... then it starts to slowdown quite rapidly till it stops, but I don't get disconnected.
[19:41:07] <OscarL> I've tried d/l with firefox and wget (under Win32).
[19:41:18] <OscarL> same problem with both.
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[19:42:11] <OscarL> I can download from anywere else upto 120 KB/s, no problem, just with haiku-files.org (since a couple of weeks).
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[19:43:02] <mmadia> does it seem to be a time duration or megs dowload issue?
[19:43:46] <OscarL> I have no d/l size limitation.
[19:44:00] <dr_evil> about 200 KByte/sec
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[19:44:17] <dr_evil> get even daster
[19:44:21] <dr_evil> faster
[19:44:59] <OscarL> and regarding the time it takes to download... dunno what to say :-/. I was able to download from haiku-files.org before with no problems.
[19:45:17] <OscarL> thanks dr_evil.
[19:47:33] <dr_evil> its nearly finished and at 370 now
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[19:48:15] <dr_evil> finished, 370 kB/sec
[19:48:16] <OscarL> meww... I'm at 376 B/s (right... bytes! :-/)
[19:49:29] <mmadia> ~37MB downloaded at ~80KB/s
[19:49:43] * pyCube writes unit tests
[19:49:50] <mmadia> and that's a limit of my stream.
[19:50:48] <OscarL> ok then... it must be something wrong down the line to my location :-(
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[20:16:35] <CIA-20> stippi * r30766 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/drivesetup/ (MainWindow.cpp MainWindow.h): (log message trimmed)
[20:16:35] <CIA-20> * Adopt the Init menu to the currently available
[20:16:35] <CIA-20> disk systems. For disk devices, we allow not only
[20:16:35] <CIA-20> file systems, but any disk system. This gets us
[20:16:35] <CIA-20> "Intel Partition Map" and "Intel Extended Partition".
[20:16:36] <CIA-20> I managed to initialize a disk with Intel Partition
[20:16:38] <CIA-20> Map this way.
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[21:26:07] <helf|laptop> yay
[21:26:15] <helf|laptop> corsair mailed my replacement usb key out today
[21:26:24] <helf|laptop> they had apparently lost it...
[21:27:26] <pyCube> i ordered 2 little pieces of plastic yesterday
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[21:27:57] <helf|laptop> what?
[21:27:59] <pyCube> replacements for the weak spot in 914's..
[21:28:16] <helf|laptop> which is?
[21:28:20] <pyCube> being the little plastic bits inside that door that cause the outside handles to actually open the door
[21:28:23] <helf|laptop> oh
[21:28:25] <helf|laptop> fun
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[21:28:55] <pyCube> and my new master brake cylinder arrived today.. yay!
[21:28:58] <helf|laptop> i called up corsair and the lady couldnt find my rma in the system. she ended up calling me back 15 minutes later and goes "um.. sorry abou that. its getting shipped out today."
[21:29:01] <helf|laptop> nice :)
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[21:30:09] <helf|laptop> my van is in the transmission shop
[21:30:25] <helf|laptop> im going to smack the next person that tells me i could havegotten a decent used car for 1200
[21:30:39] <pyCube> hehe
[21:30:42] <pyCube> "decent"
[21:30:46] <helf|laptop> seriously, wtf
[21:30:48] <helf|laptop> :P
[21:31:08] <helf|laptop> a. its HARD to find a good used car for 1200, b. i wouldnt know what was wrong with it, it could blow up the next day.
[21:31:16] <helf|laptop> c. i know exactly what is wrong with my van :P
[21:31:53] <helf|laptop> d. its harder to abduct people in a car
[21:32:51] <pyCube> i am probably gonna get new tires this weekend too
[21:33:05] <helf|laptop> any specific brand/type?
[21:33:14] <helf|laptop> you should get low profiles ;)
[21:33:17] <pyCube> i really want new wheels, but i need to save $$ for that
[21:33:39] <pyCube> and before that, i'll likely replace all teh shocks/struts
[21:34:41] <pyCube> but the wheels will make a huge difference.. one of my steel wheels likely weighs what 4 good aluminum wheel would.. heh
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[21:34:56] <helf|laptop> heh
[21:34:57] <pyCube> plus add a little in the way of width
[21:34:58] <helf|laptop> hi mat
[21:35:00] <helf|laptop> matt
[21:35:36] <mmadia> meep
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[21:40:01] <pyCube> i think the onset of spring has totally gotten me back into my car..
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[21:50:29] <helf|laptop> :)
[21:55:25] <BePhantom> helf|laptop,  ;D
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[22:04:14] * JonathanThompson poits helf|laptop and pyCube and mmadia
[22:04:24] <helf|laptop> hi
[22:04:29] <helf|laptop> watching the nasa feed still
[22:04:32] <helf|laptop> looong space walk
[22:04:50] <JonathanThompson> I've been packing up books, sorting them, in order to see how many pennies I can get at Half Price Books.
[22:05:08] <helf|laptop> :\
[22:05:16] * JonathanThompson has enough Star Trek novels to keep most people reading > 1 year of their available time
[22:05:29] <helf|laptop> :P
[22:05:33] <JonathanThompson> Sadly, I suspect those will be worth... pennies, if that, per book.
[22:05:34] <helf|laptop> paperbacks?
[22:05:38] <JonathanThompson> Mostly.
[22:05:41] <JonathanThompson> Some hard covers.
[22:05:53] * helf|laptop loves startrek novels
[22:06:09] <JonathanThompson> If nothing else, though, getting rid of as many of my books as I can readily part with will reduce storage/living costs :/
[22:06:26] <JonathanThompson> Are you interested in buying them?  Well over 100 of them ;)
[22:06:32] <helf|laptop> oooo
[22:06:33] * JonathanThompson doesn't know for sure how many he has right now
[22:06:42] <helf|laptop> get a count :P
[22:06:49] <JonathanThompson> That'll take a few minutes :D
[22:06:53] <cps1966> hey for 500 bucks you can get a tent on wheels
[22:07:07] <JonathanThompson> ...
[22:07:16] <helf|laptop> i might. my grandparents are paying for my transmission and i dont have to start paying them back until end of hte month
[22:07:18] <helf|laptop> so.... :)
[22:07:20] <pyCube> rented-a-tent, rented-a-tent
[22:07:27] * helf|laptop JonathanThompson  whatever kind of books do you have?
[22:07:41] <JonathanThompson> Lots of technical books, too, along with other sci-fi, other things.
[22:07:43] * helf|laptop can read a novel a night easily
[22:08:04] <JonathanThompson> Clark, bradbury, Asimov, etc.
[22:08:13] <JonathanThompson> Boxes of books.
[22:08:15] <helf|laptop> i have complete clark works
[22:08:24] <JonathanThompson> All of the Rama books?
[22:08:26] <pyCube> i'm reading this atm: http://www.amazon.com/Stuff-Thought-Language-Window-Nature/dp/0670063274
[22:08:36] <helf|laptop> aurthor c clark?
[22:08:42] <JonathanThompson> Yes, and Gentry Lee.
[22:08:48] <JonathanThompson> (Collaborated on them)
[22:08:49] <helf|laptop> hm
[22:08:52] <helf|laptop> maybe not those
[22:08:56] <helf|laptop> i think its just strictly his
[22:08:58] <JonathanThompson> HA!
[22:09:01] <helf|laptop> heh
[22:09:18] <helf|laptop> im tempted to try selling my gx1
[22:09:24] <helf|laptop> dunno how much i could get for it on craigslist
[22:09:24] <JonathanThompson> So, I've been deliberately sorting out just Star Trek novels, so I can make it easier.
[22:09:45] <JonathanThompson> Those fill more than a single box (Depending on the box) by themselves.
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[22:10:10] <helf|laptop> shipping might be a pita
[22:10:50] <JonathanThompson> That's my concern there :/
[22:10:57] * JonathanThompson goes to count what he's uncovered
[22:12:22] <pyCube> ooo.. sweet notchback, if a tad chromey.. http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z56/bigblue_021/208016.jpg
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[22:12:48] <helf|laptop> nice
[22:13:44] <JonathanThompson> I've clearly lost some between them  being "borrowed" and moves, as I just counted a total of 94 Star Trek novels, 2 of them being hardcover.
[22:14:00] <helf|laptop> jeez, i have like.. 20
[22:14:01] <helf|laptop> heh
[22:14:11] <JonathanThompson> I've probably lost more than you currently have :D
[22:14:28] <JonathanThompson> They're all in decent/good shape: I don't dog-ear books.
[22:14:31] <JonathanThompson> All with covers.
[22:14:38] <JonathanThompson> But... shipping...
[22:14:45] <helf|laptop> hm, wonder how much shipping would be...
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[22:15:10] <helf|laptop> probably have good luck sticking that as a whole on craigslist
[22:15:15] <JonathanThompson> What would they be worth to you as I state, knowing you don't know which titles they are?  I've got from all ages, of the old ones to the new ones within the last year or so.
[22:15:30] * JonathanThompson goes to peer at comparable listings...
[22:15:39] <JonathanThompson> Oh, I've put my laser printer for sale at $500.
[22:15:46] <helf|laptop> i usually only give like $1/b for paperbacks :/
[22:15:55] * JonathanThompson hopes someone wants  a full-color, full-duplex network printer
[22:15:55] <qoreQ> what kind is it?
[22:16:26] <JonathanThompson> Oki C6100DN, completely compatible with any OS you care to use, as it uses PostScript Level 3, as well as an HP language, via ethernet or USB 2.0.
[22:16:31] <helf|laptop> im putting some stuff on ebay/craigslist tonight and tomorrow
[22:16:39] <helf|laptop> oh nice
[22:16:44] <helf|laptop> wish i could get that from you
[22:16:47] <helf|laptop> my NeXT would love it
[22:18:30] <qoreQ> JonathanThompson: i was just wondering, i have an HP color laser
[22:18:36] <qoreQ> is it a real laser or LED?
[22:18:40] <qoreQ> a lot of Okis are LEDs
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[22:19:19] <JonathanThompson> LED
[22:20:36] <qoreQ> nice
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[22:20:48] <helf|laptop> will it handle photo paper fine?
[22:21:49] <JonathanThompson> Yes.
[22:21:58] <JonathanThompson> And paper up to about 4 feet long.
[22:22:02] <JonathanThompson> Up to 110 pound paper.
[22:22:12] <helf|laptop> oh nice
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[22:22:29] <helf|laptop> my granddad prints a ton and his current laserprinter screws up with photopaper even though it is supposed to work
[22:22:39] <JonathanThompson> From as small as 3*5 index cards to 4 foot long, 8.5 wide (I think) banners.
[22:23:32] <qoreQ> yeah that's an awesome printer
[22:23:50] <JonathanThompson> I'm having to move in with a guy in a small 1 bedroom apartment.
[22:24:07] <JonathanThompson> I've got a cheaper inkjet printer I've never opened I can fall back on for most things.
[22:24:34] <JonathanThompson> Sadly, trying to ship that bugger is a bugger by itself, so I'm likely far better off finding a local buyer via Craig's List.
[22:25:07] <qoreQ> hehe
[22:25:15] <JonathanThompson> HUGE box!
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[22:25:32] <JonathanThompson> (Not for the casual living room computer situation: dwarfs my 20" iMac)
[22:25:33] <qoreQ> yeah
[22:25:40] <qoreQ> but you could just take it to a UPS store
[22:25:51] <qoreQ> as long as the buyer paid the huge shipping fee lol
[22:26:02] <JonathanThompson> Well, packing it for shipping and doing it right is a PITA.
[22:26:17] <qoreQ> that's why you let the UPS guys do it :)
[22:26:20] <JonathanThompson> That's because you shouldn't ship it with the cartridges installed, and they've been opened/used already.
[22:26:23] <JonathanThompson> ...
[22:26:30] <qoreQ> yup you'd have to take them out
[22:26:37] <JonathanThompson> They wouldn't have a friggin' clue how to do THIS properly for that part :D
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[22:26:50] <qoreQ> lol well they could pack it after you took the carts out
[22:26:57] <qoreQ> do they have the shutter things on them?
[22:27:13] <JonathanThompson> I'm not sure if I've got all the stuff needed to pack/ship it properly :(
[22:27:27] <JonathanThompson> Local trips should be no problem in a car, but a longer shipping... don't know.
[22:27:32] <JonathanThompson> (I've moved it once already)
[22:27:33] <qoreQ> yea
[22:27:51] <JonathanThompson> This is one of those things that sane people get a dolly for, or a cart :)
[22:27:59] <JonathanThompson> (And only when it's in the box)
[22:28:12] <qoreQ> up
[22:28:16] <qoreQ> yup even
[22:28:19] <qoreQ> i've moved a few of those
[22:28:22] <JonathanThompson> But, since I'm unemployed right now, I NEED a printer :(
[22:28:44] <JonathanThompson> (Hope that inkjet I got with the iMac works, never unpacked it except to get the rebate stuff done)
[22:28:56] <qoreQ> surely it does
[22:29:08] <JonathanThompson> Assumption is the mother of all #Q^@
[22:29:19] <qoreQ> :)
[22:29:20] <JonathanThompson> And... it's past the warranty at this point, so if it doesn't...
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[22:30:17] <JonathanThompson> helf might be buying my Star trek novels, it sounds like ;)
[22:30:32] <JonathanThompson> (Only if he has the fundage)
[22:30:32] <qoreQ> man that's exactly what i had to do when i lived in seattle =\
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[22:30:37] <JonathanThompson> 34 pounds of novels...
[22:30:40] <qoreQ> i had a job but it didn't pay enough
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[22:30:54] <pyCube> heh.. i think this is a weird bit of marketting.. http://disney.go.com/disneypictures/christmascaroltraintour/#
[22:31:10] <JonathanThompson> Well, I had a good job, but got laid off, had a business deal go bad where I had loaned out more money than remotely sane, and now I'm in my current boat.
[22:31:43] <JonathanThompson> If I hadn't loaned money, I'd be perfectly fine right now, financially.
[22:32:06] <qoreQ> that sucks man
[22:32:38] <JonathanThompson> So, ASAP I need to get out of this place under my own terms (somewhat) before the final stages of eviction where I don't have much choice of timeframe.
[22:32:47] <JonathanThompson> It'll be a rough hump.
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[22:33:15] <JonathanThompson> And at least one contracting company I talked to said Microsoft is asking them to lower their hourly contract rates (not sure I believe that)...
[22:33:53] <qoreQ> i could see that
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[22:35:18] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps soon I'll be working at amazon.com, as I've interviewed there before in late 2006.
[22:35:30] <JonathanThompson> And perhaps I'm more valuable to them now, after working at Yahoo.
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[22:36:31] <qoreQ> amazon was nice
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[22:36:51] <JonathanThompson> What did you work on there?
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[22:37:44] <qoreQ> naw i just interviewed there
[22:37:54] <JonathanThompson> Oh, ok.
[22:38:45] <qoreQ> i worked for a place called terrabeam
[22:39:01] <qoreQ> it was in kirkland
[22:39:18] <JonathanThompson> Big database mining?
[22:39:49] <yoritomo> hello all
[22:39:52] <yoritomo> i am back
[22:39:57] <yoritomo> i could launch haiku
[22:39:59] * JonathanThompson runs and hides
[22:40:02] <qoreQ> JonathanThompson: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terabeam
[22:40:22] <yoritomo> and working find , could browse on the net and my video resolution is good too
[22:40:40] <JonathanThompson> Well, since it appears they've moved, they don't matter much for me atm :P
[22:41:13] <qoreQ> yeah lol
[22:41:19] <qoreQ> i got laid off from there
[22:41:21] <qoreQ> then i left
[22:41:46] <yoritomo> what is the official website for the haiku's programs, should use the softwares on bebits ?
[22:42:01] <yoritomo> which application do you use for irc ?
[22:42:08] <JonathanThompson> No "official" place to get Haiku-compatible software :)
[22:42:12] <JonathanThompson> Vision under Haiku.
[22:42:18] <JonathanThompson> (Runs in BeOS as well)
[22:42:38] <JonathanThompson> Vision is actually more stable than the OS at this time ;)
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[22:43:28] <ieyasu> ora karurosu :P
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[22:44:53] <yoritomo> is haiku compatible with most of beos 5 programs ?
[22:44:53] <satellitehelf> JonathanThompson, hey
[22:45:14] <pyCube> cool.. i get to watch the trailer today in our brand new fancy 3d theater
[22:45:29] <satellitehelf> 3d
[22:45:34] <satellitehelf> itsa joke
[22:45:35] <satellitehelf> :P
[22:45:38] <pyCube> um
[22:45:46] <JonathanThompson> Hey satellitehelf
[22:47:37] <horuhe> yoritomo, mostly
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[22:48:32] <luroh> someone's punched helf into orbit? :o
[22:48:51] <pyCube> satellitehelf, do you live near a theater with RealD, or imax perhaps?
[22:49:24] <yoritomo> something nice, is  that haiku is not a command line based OS as linux, it is the seducting on it
[22:49:51] <satellitehelf> imax
[22:49:58] <pyCube> its is more than possible to use linux without ever touching a terminal or command line interface of any sort
[22:50:06] <pyCube> but anyway..
[22:50:13] <satellitehelf> ha
[22:50:25] <satellitehelf> only if your lucky and your hardware is properly supported at all times
[22:50:37] <pyCube> satellitehelf, the whole 3d film thing is coming along.. its no more of a joke than any early stabs at eventually cool tech
[22:50:43] <satellitehelf> i had to manually do a ton of crap to ubuntu 9.04 to get sound working on my gx1 :)
[22:51:02] <satellitehelf> ill have to see a newer one, then
[22:51:09] <satellitehelf> they usually give me incredible headaches :/
[22:51:11] <yoritomo> :D you don't imagine ;) most of specifics driver need to be compiled, in a such huge problems, and some programs not available in the specific distribution as well needs to be compiled because necessary to use anyway
[22:51:51] <pyCube> satellitehelf, yeah.. it has to be done right.
[22:51:59] <pyCube> its very easy to hurt peoples brains
[22:52:14] <satellitehelf> and i dont see the point in making a movie 3d
[22:52:21] <satellitehelf> at least, not with the normal way movies are shot
[22:52:41] <pyCube> i keep trying to get them to use the nausia inducing properties of making peiople eyes skew outwards as a device to add to the film.. like a sense of vertigo in a high places, etc.. heheh
[22:52:52] * satellitehelf dreams of a holodeckesque theatre where you can walk around inside a movie :P
[22:52:57] <pyCube> satellitehelf, our movies arent shot.. :-p
[22:53:08] <satellitehelf> heh
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[23:03:09] <Ingenu> helf has been put into orbit ?
[23:03:17] <Ingenu> ;p
[23:03:41] * satellitehelf wishes
[23:05:12] <stpere> hey
[23:05:32] <stpere> AlienSoldier: the wind was quite bad, but not as bad as your region I think
[23:05:47] <pyCube> hmm.. somebody is giving away a set of riviera wheels.
[23:16:25] <expensivelesbia1> hi, is ext4 supported as a mountable (either r/rw) file system?
[23:18:19] <cps1966> why wouldn't it be
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[23:19:12] <luroh> i remember axel saying at some point that he wanted to add ext4 support
[23:19:23] <luroh> wasn't that long ago, iirc
[23:19:41] <expensivelesbia1> cps1966 well, I dunno. Lack of time, motivation, inclination. The usual. I know ext3 is. I don't know about ext4.
[23:20:24] <expensivelesbia1> luroh cool, ta. It's not *critical* to have the support. A "would be nice", I suppose.
[23:20:44] <AlienSoldier> stpere i need to go at the summer house soon, i was told a part of a wall fled away :(
[23:20:54] <AlienSoldier> it was crazy
[23:20:57] <cps1966> gee i wonder if haiku can do dishes
[23:21:38] <cps1966> in the furure of course
[23:22:17] <expensivelesbia1> furure?
[23:22:45] <cps1966> future
[23:23:06] <expensivelesbia1> probably best to type properly if you're going to make arsey comments
[23:23:28] <luroh> expensivelesbia1: http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/29510
[23:23:35] <cps1966> well would your doing is not helpfull
[23:23:46] <luroh> don't know exactly what that means though :)
[23:24:59] <expensivelesbia1> luroh ok cool. I'm in the middle of a some big (and slow) data migration, to ext4, hence the request. I can give Haiku a boot and see how patchy the support is later.
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[23:25:28] <luroh> that'd be interesting to know
[23:25:33] <expensivelesbia1> cps1966 what I'm doing? Asking about support for foreign file systems in Haiku, in a Haiku IRC channel? Have you heard yourself?
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[23:26:24] <yoritomo> is is some tools already existing for MAO ?
[23:26:31] <expensivelesbia1> luroh, yeah, I'll give it a whirl. It's slow moving, but I should be able to test some stuff tomorrow
[23:26:34] <cps1966> should go tyo haiku -support then
[23:26:39] <yoritomo> same like Rosegarden or Ardour ?
[23:30:03] <expensivelesbia1> yoritomo, sorry, what is MAO?
[23:30:30] <expensivelesbia1> I'm assuming it's some audio related initialism
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[23:32:17] <pyCube> man...i've been watching too much top gear.  I am starting to think in british terminology instead of gioggling at the sound/thought of it
[23:32:36] <expensivelesbia1> pyCube you mean, that Clarkson buffoon?
[23:32:55] <pyCube> heh.. he makes me laugh
[23:33:17] <expensivelesbia1> he's a bit of a cad, to be sure
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[23:33:38] <expensivelesbia1> what's funny about that show is that it doesn't really talk all that seriously...about cars
[23:33:40] <yoritomo> sorry i think it is the french initials, Computer Assited Music
[23:33:51] <expensivelesbia1> yoritomo OK, right
[23:34:14] <expensivelesbia1> well, there was MeV, although I think that kind of went to an OSS repo and stalled
[23:34:37] <expensivelesbia1> the Angry Red Planet people had a midi option, similar to CakeWalk
[23:34:55] <yoritomo> it is a powerful midi tool or just a sampler ?
[23:35:09] <expensivelesbia1> SampleStudio was an audio editor, can't remember if it did multitrack audio stuff though
[23:35:31] <pyCube> expensivelesbia1, yeah.. its not a serious show, but i enjoy it.  i like the silliness.
[23:35:55] <pyCube> what cracks me up is that people would take it seriously enough to be put off by it/clarkson
[23:35:57] <expensivelesbia1> yoritomo considering the age, and my lack of remembering it correctly, I don't remember it being a serious challenger to something like Cubase
[23:36:14] <expensivelesbia1> pyCube oh yeah, he's like this everyman character
[23:36:21] <JonathanThompson> Here's a requirement I just found on a Craig's List ad: "Must be abstinent from tobacco & nicotine. "
[23:36:33] <expensivelesbia1> thing is, he is quite a smart character. He just acts like an arse cos it gets ratings
[23:37:45] <pyCube> expensivelesbia1, sure.  but i have a hard time even seeing it as acting like an arse.. the whole clashing opinions thing is sort of the attraction of the show.. if the hosts werent all set in their ways/opinions, it would be nearly as good a show
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[23:38:11] <pyCube> blanket statements, over the top generalizations, hardheaded opinoins.. i love it
[23:38:14] <pyCube> hehe
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[23:38:29] <pyCube> peppered with slurs of all sorts
[23:39:09] <pyCube> when they tried to drive through alabama with their "decorated" cars.. man.. good stuff
[23:39:26] <expensivelesbia1> ha
[23:39:33] <expensivelesbia1> yes, that's an episode
[23:39:35] <luroh> JonathanThompson: department of redundancy department?
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[23:39:50] <JonathanThompson> How would it be redundant?
[23:40:04] <JonathanThompson> Never mind :D
[23:40:13] <JonathanThompson> But, nicotine can be found in other than tobacco.
[23:40:14] <pyCube> repete
[23:40:20] <JonathanThompson> For example, nicotine gum.
[23:40:27] <expensivelesbia1> the one where they set fire to a caravan, by accident...
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[23:40:41] <luroh> i guess :)
[23:40:43] <pyCube> expensivelesbia1, heh.. yeah
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[23:41:22] <pyCube> or the one where they had to buy supercars on a fixed budget
[23:41:34] <pyCube> heh.. i just like the show
[23:41:37] <expensivelesbia1> pyCube the funny thing is, way back when, the show used to be this serious motoring show
[23:41:38] <pyCube> entertaining
[23:41:45] <pyCube> yeah
[23:42:01] <expensivelesbia1> and then they got this new producer in (this is 80s time)
[23:42:15] <yoritomo> how to install flashplayer in bezilla ?
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[23:42:40] <expensivelesbia1> and the the producer said to Clarkson, "I want cheesy 80s music playing, rock stuff, while you drive around..." and Clarkson thought he was nuts. Goes to show
[23:43:41] <pyCube> expensivelesbia1, i like the current format.. i like the dynamics of the 3 hosts.  glad its not a serious show.  if it was i doubt my wife would be as into it as she is, and we have a good time watching it
[23:44:14] <expensivelesbia1> yeah, my missus watches it also. Just cos it's silly really
[23:44:28] <expensivelesbia1> I mean, neither of us could afford their car of the week, ever
[23:44:38] <pyCube> hehe
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[23:45:41] * JonathanThompson loves the car hacks
[23:45:55] <pyCube> like the stretch fiat panda
[23:45:59] <pyCube> heh
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[23:46:44] <pyCube> i think thats what it was anyway
[23:46:54] <pyCube> all them damn foreigner cars get confusing :-p
[23:46:58] <JonathanThompson> Or the double-ended cars :)
[23:47:09] <lelldorin1> anyone seen begasus?
[23:47:13] <luroh> i put some mud flaps on my car today, guess that doesn't count
[23:47:31] <pyCube> heh.. the salfa romeraab
[23:49:55] <expensivelesbia1> heh, yeah, the stretch Panda
[23:50:01] <expensivelesbia1> and that living room in a car
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[23:50:18] <expensivelesbia1> with fire lit hob in the back
[23:51:07] <pyCube> right
[23:51:08] <pyCube> hehe
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[23:52:50] <pyCube> i about fell over when during the vietnam special, they unveiled the 'born in the usa' backup motor bike
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[23:58:37] <pyCube> Oooo.. our ttrailer is being world premiered at Cannes
[23:59:23] <pyCube> heh

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