May 14, 2009 
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May 14, 2009 [00:01:52] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[00:04:46] *** Svarthandske has quit IRC[00:06:41] <CIA-20> zooey * r30756 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)[00:06:41] <CIA-20> fixed behaviour of non-editable textviews:[00:06:41] <CIA-20> * non-editable textviews no longer draw the caret[00:06:41] <CIA-20> * the cursor keys scroll immediately, not only when the (invisible) caret[00:06:41] <CIA-20> reaches the views bounds[00:06:42] <CIA-20> * HOME/END work more reliably[00:06:44] <CIA-20> * any selection stays active throughout keyboard navigation[00:08:57] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[00:10:58] *** awpeter has quit IRC[00:17:07] <CIA-20> kirilla * r30757 /haiku/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)[00:17:07] <CIA-20> More style guide fixes. Removed a lot of preprocessing / conditional building,[00:17:07] <CIA-20> with intent to fix or remove. Moved urlwrapper class declaration to its header[00:17:07] <CIA-20> file. Renamed things for clarity. Removed 5 extra mimetypes for IE shortcuts.[00:17:07] <CIA-20> (We have one, with sniffing rule and extension.) Moved the UnurlString() back to[00:17:09] <CIA-20> urlwrapper.cpp and renamed it _DecodeUrlString(). Tweaked copyright clauses. A[00:17:11] <CIA-20> lot more needs fixing, esp. in urlwrapper but also in BUrl, and I intend to keep[00:17:20] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[00:17:24] *** Tekn0 has left #haiku[00:24:52] *** jprostko has joined #haiku[00:25:57] <CIA-20> zooey * r30758 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/TextView.cpp: * removed debug output[00:28:17] *** Zaranthos_1 has joined #Haiku[00:28:19] <CIA-20> kirilla * r30759 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/open.cpp: Launch URLs via BUrl class. Rearranged header files according to guidelines.[00:28:50] *** nibble has joined #haiku[00:29:24] *** nibble has quit IRC[00:29:36] <kirilla> good night everyone[00:29:39] *** kirilla has quit IRC[00:30:27] *** Gaap has quit IRC[00:32:50] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[00:35:33] *** wackymacs has quit IRC[00:37:26] *** jprostko has quit IRC[00:38:03] *** Bumphead has quit IRC[00:41:28] *** Geoz has quit IRC[00:42:20] *** umccullough_w has joined #haiku[00:43:10] <umccullough_w> satellitehelf, D:[00:43:20] *** Zaranthos has quit IRC[00:43:20] *** Zaranthos_1 is now known as Zaranthos[00:48:21] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[00:55:56] *** aurynn has quit IRC[00:56:31] *** Negr0 has joined #haiku[01:21:00] *** satellitehelf has quit IRC[01:22:33] *** Bumphead has joined #haiku[01:22:41] *** satellitehelf has joined #haiku[01:28:02] *** MindChild has quit IRC[01:29:47] *** rotordotorklos has joined #haiku[01:31:04] <satellitehelf> umccullough, hey[01:32:09] *** jprostko has joined #haiku[01:33:36] *** adamk has quit IRC[01:34:03] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[01:37:12] *** ulterior_modem has quit IRC[01:37:49] *** ulterior_modem has joined #Haiku[01:38:34] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[01:45:09] *** rotordotorklos has quit IRC[01:57:58] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[01:59:32] *** MindChild has joined #haiku[02:01:06] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[02:08:29] *** oco has quit IRC[02:18:14] *** Disreali_ has joined #haiku[02:19:22] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[02:19:56] <Disreali> mmadia, you wanted something?[02:20:35] <mmadia> yes, but the issue resolved itself, luckily :D[02:20:40] <Disreali> ok[02:20:49] <Disreali> glad I could help[02:22:44] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[02:26:49] <Disreali_> does anyone know where I can download 'hey'? Bebits has dead links and Haikuware has a bad zip.[02:27:06] <mmadia> for beos or haiku?[02:28:48] <umccullough_w> i thought haiku comes with hey :)[02:29:00] <Disreali_> haiku[02:29:20] <Disreali_> umccullough_w, really?[02:29:23] <umccullough_w> supposedly[02:29:32] <umccullough_w> pretty sure it's in the repo[02:29:35] <mmadia> confirmed.[02:29:47] <umccullough_w> http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/src/bin/hey.cpp[02:29:55] <Disreali_> holy.... It does. Awesome[02:29:59] <Disreali_> thanks[02:30:36] <umccullough_w> bad zip on haikuware ...ew[02:30:49] <umccullough_w> that's never good[02:33:21] *** Disreali_away has joined #haiku[02:33:21] *** Disreali_ has quit IRC[02:33:50] <Disreali_away> oops[02:34:30] *** Disreali is now known as Disreali_[02:35:41] *** Disreali_away is now known as Disreali[02:41:56] <Disreali> what does /boot/system/installsound actually do?[02:46:35] <umccullough_w> ?[02:46:37] <umccullough_w> no clue[02:46:41] <umccullough_w> never even heard of it[02:47:05] <umccullough_w> sounds like something that isn't part of haiku[02:47:15] <umccullough_w> oh: http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/src/bin/installsound.cpp[02:47:36] <umccullough_w> looks like it is supposed to set a sound as the designated sound for a given event[02:48:00] <mmu_laptop> yes[02:48:23] <umccullough_w> it's not in /boot/system i hope[02:52:11] <Disreali> it's in boot/system/bin[02:52:36] <Disreali> commandline sound pref[02:52:42] *** 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#haiku[03:13:43] *** Styrbjorn has joined #haiku[03:16:18] *** glootech has quit IRC[03:21:50] <pyCube> Harold the Barrel cut off his toes and he served them all for tea[03:23:37] <MindChild> mmmmmmmmmmmm[03:23:40] <MindChild> toes and tea[03:24:22] *** bebop2 has joined #haiku[03:25:04] *** geist has joined #haiku[03:25:04] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o geist[03:31:40] *** raichoo is now known as xRaich[o]2x[03:39:15] *** vbmithr has quit IRC[03:49:36] *** jprostko has quit IRC[03:50:29] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[03:54:56] *** M199 has joined #haiku[03:54:56] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[04:05:09] *** Master199 has quit IRC[04:07:20] *** Negr0 has quit IRC[04:07:45] *** thotypous has quit IRC[04:19:56] *** cps1966 has joined #haiku[04:20:38] <cps1966> pyCube have you done any jython coding[04:43:01] *** umccullough_tv has joined #haiku[04:43:31] *** ulterior_modem has quit IRC[04:46:09] *** ulterior_modem has joined #Haiku[04:57:59] *** umccullough_tv has quit IRC[05:04:10] *** bebop2 has left #haiku[05:06:28] *** redblue has joined #haiku[05:06:40] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[05:22:44] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[05:25:12] <pyCube__> cps1966: yes i have.. i wrote a beshare client using jython[05:25:23] <pyCube__> ..years ago, but still[05:27:29] *** megaf_ has joined #Haiku[05:29:31] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[05:30:05] <cps1966> does it use less memory than jave alone[05:30:22] <cps1966> java[05:31:29] <DraX> uhhh.. no?[05:33:28] <pyCube__> cps1966: probably more, seeing as its java + python implemented in java[05:33:35] <cps1966> java is a memory hog[05:35:06] <DraX> well part of that is that java preallocates its heap[05:35:31] <DraX> so it eats up a lot of memory up front even if it's not using it[05:37:54] <pyCube__> ya know, there's wasteful stupid resource usage, and theres just resource usage..personally, i think people get FAR too hung up on looking at mem meters and cpu graphs and so on[05:38:13] <DraX> agree[05:38:40] <cps1966> well running 6 bots at once use all of 4 gb of memory[05:38:46] <pyCube__> for f**ks sake, if you want a few k of ram and super small apps, get a c64[05:39:05] <DraX> cps1966: set -Xms to something small[05:39:31] <DraX> or figure out how to host multiple bots on the same jvm[05:40:14] <DraX> i don't suppose there is a working jvm on haiku[05:40:57] <cps1966> i think we lost our java guy[05:41:13] <DraX> too bad, need java for work[05:42:25] <pyCube__> that must suckKY[05:42:30] <pyCube__> suck[05:42:33] <pyCube__> :-p[05:43:01] <DraX> well it's mostly for rhino[05:43:06] <DraX> so mostly i actually write server-side JS[05:43:08] <DraX> which is fine[05:43:08] <pyCube__> thats almost as bad as needing Outlook or some shit[05:43:22] <pyCube__> hehe[05:43:28] <pyCube__> what is rhino?[05:43:34] <DraX> Rhino is a javascript engine in java[05:43:41] <pyCube__> ah[05:43:54] *** megaf has quit IRC[05:44:51] <DraX> i work on a platform for people to develop their own web apps (in js) that we run on our servers (which is a servlet to rhino bridge with some code to implement an API)[05:45:11] <DraX> but most of us hate java[05:45:18] <DraX> so we've implemented as much of it as possible in js[05:46:02] *** Carbamide has quit IRC[05:46:34] <cps1966> well im off to bed[05:46:40] <cps1966> gn all[05:56:16] *** pyCube_ has joined #haiku[05:58:16] *** Hugen_ has joined #haiku[05:58:19] *** mmadia has quit IRC[05:58:21] <Hugen_> heya[05:58:38] <Disreali> olla[06:03:01] *** pyCube__ has quit IRC[06:04:09] *** Hugen_ has quit IRC[06:15:00] *** megaf_ has quit IRC[06:16:15] *** scottmc has joined #haiku[06:18:47] *** wtracy has joined #haiku[06:19:42] *** Carbamide has joined #haiku[06:20:50] *** pyCube_ has quit IRC[06:28:12] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[06:35:06] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[06:35:32] *** JonathanThompson has joined #Haiku[06:35:56] * JonathanThompson meows[06:38:41] * Hodapp stumbles in with eyes half-closed, dumps cat food in bowl, and falls back into bed[06:41:18] *** Disreali has quit IRC[06:42:34] *** Disreali_ has quit IRC[06:45:30] * BePhantom is pimping his desktop[06:45:40] <BePhantom> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1117724/Pantallazo.png so far i got this, you like it?[06:55:12] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[06:59:03] *** pyCube_ has joined #haiku[07:00:13] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[07:09:19] *** satellitehelf has quit IRC[07:19:00] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[07:31:06] <pyCube_> actual store shelf... http://pycube.homelinux.org:8080/850A0065.JPG[07:32:47] <geist> a pointed stick![07:32:51] <geist> did you get it?[07:32:53] <pyCube_> my kids and I busted up laughing the other day when we saw this in a crafts store[07:33:13] <geist> granted, not as good as a banana[07:33:19] <pyCube_> um.. yeah.. $10 for a twig. not even a particularly nice one[07:33:43] <pyCube_> seriously though.. i had no idea there was a market for tree liter[07:34:14] <tehdwarf> by what criteria does one judge twigs?[07:36:22] <pyCube_> "will this make good kindling?" "is this a fossil?" "is this big enough to scare away the mountain lion?" etc[07:36:45] <tehdwarf> ah[07:37:00] <pyCube_> the twig is a twig of manzanita though.. but its a very poor specimen[07:37:04] <pyCube_> heh[07:39:23] <AlienSoldier> probably a multitasking magical wand[07:41:10] *** MrSunshine__ has joined #haiku[07:51:01] <CIA-20> scottmc * r297 /haikuports/trunk/media-video/ffmpeg/ffmpeg-haiku-configure.diff: Updated ffmpeg patch to put haiku into it's own case statement in ffmpeg's configure[07:57:25] *** MrSunshine_ has quit IRC[07:58:17] *** expensivelesbian has joined #haiku[07:58:19] *** expensivelesbia1 has joined #haiku[08:01:46] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[08:03:17] <BePhantom> manzanita, that sounds funny[08:03:21] <BePhantom> little apple[08:04:53] *** sprma has joined #haiku[08:06:35] <pyCube_> yes[08:06:38] <pyCube_> thats what it is[08:07:56] <BePhantom> manzana macbook :D[08:09:26] <wtracy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manzanita for anyone bored enough[08:10:39] *** scottmc has quit IRC[08:23:04] *** andguent has joined #haiku[08:26:22] *** expensivelesbian has quit IRC[08:26:37] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[08:29:02] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[08:43:22] * JonathanThompson ponders the insanity of creating shelf space for random dead tree branches that look like crap, and putting a $10 price on them[08:43:45] <pyCube_> i thought it was pretty amazing myself[08:44:12] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps they're attempting to do the brand x version of the pet rock, but with twigs?[08:47:41] *** wtracy has quit IRC[08:50:30] *** wackymacs has joined #haiku[08:50:55] <pyCube_> JonathanThompson: it is in an arts and crafts store..[08:51:02] <JonathanThompson> ...[08:51:06] <JonathanThompson> But...[08:51:13] * JonathanThompson ponders that statement[08:51:20] <pyCube_> its for using in some decorative way...hehe[08:51:40] <pyCube_> doll it up with some crap made in china, put it on your mantle..[08:52:37] <pyCube_> i get that part.. dont like it it, but understand it.. its the price that gets me[08:53:25] <pyCube_> where i am from, manzanita isnt exactly rare.. i have friends and relatives when thousands of dollars worth of decorative twigs, it seems[08:54:12] <JonathanThompson> Well, in a way, I can see them perhaps having a problem attempting to categorize and package such twigs reproducibly: after all, they're all noticeably different :P[08:54:18] <pyCube_> the juxtaposition of the twig on the otherwise bar shelf was kinda funny too[08:54:39] <pyCube_> bare[08:55:08] <pyCube_> had it been a bin of twigs, perhaps it wouldnt have even caught my eye[08:55:34] <pyCube_> my first reaction was "damned kids with their bringing shit into the house..."[08:56:01] <JonathanThompson> :D[08:56:04] <pyCube_> but no. its an actual item for sale[08:56:08] <pyCube_> heh[08:56:15] <JonathanThompson> Minimalist Branch :D[08:57:06] <MrSunshine__> sad thing is that people buy stuff like that )[08:57:07] <MrSunshine__> =)[08:57:38] * JonathanThompson wants to find people that will pay good money for silly junk, and know what it is, and supply their desires[08:58:06] <pyCube_> ibuystupidcrap.com[08:58:09] * Maya-sama runs around with twigs, selling them for a dozen bucks~ (o/[08:58:33] * umccullough has to sleep with the duckling again tonight[08:58:45] <JonathanThompson> duckling???[08:59:03] <umccullough> yes, and a very needy one at that[08:59:04] <pyCube_> theres a lot of room for undercutting the price without giving up an absurd profit margin[08:59:54] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[09:00:08] <Maya-sama> beats sleeping with a pile of dogs in the same bed[09:01:01] <umccullough> i dunno, it just shat on me twice[09:01:30] <MrSunshine__> haha[09:01:43] <MrSunshine__> why are you sleeping with the duckling? ... wife angry with you ? :P[09:01:44] <Maya-sama> ^-^;;[09:02:05] <umccullough> no, it's needy, it refuses to sleep alone[09:02:19] <umccullough> as in, it jumps out of the box and wanders around the house looking for us[09:02:25] <MrSunshine__> well its never gonna learn if you sleep with it all the time[09:02:32] <MrSunshine__> haha =)[09:02:37] <umccullough> supposedly, it shouldn't be an issue within a month[09:04:42] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[09:06:05] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[09:06:56] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[09:07:16] * JonathanThompson notes that umccullough is living in a truly ducked-up situation[09:18:55] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[09:22:05] *** procton has joined #haiku[09:25:44] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[09:28:58] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[09:37:03] * JonathanThompson just sent out a rhyming cover letter[09:37:12] *** wackymacs has left #haiku[10:00:16] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #haiku[10:06:35] *** sprma has quit IRC[10:13:36] <Teknomancer> morning[10:16:17] *** glootech_ is now known as gabriela[10:27:53] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[10:29:47] *** aljen has quit IRC[10:30:22] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[10:34:19] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[10:36:37] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[10:51:27] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[10:53:48] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[10:54:18] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[10:54:33] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[10:54:33] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[10:55:05] *** Svarthandske has joined #haiku[10:57:24] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[11:01:31] *** vbmithr has joined #haiku[11:01:46] *** szczur has joined #haiku[11:02:12] *** andybe has joined #haiku[11:10:19] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[11:11:50] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[11:18:04] *** redblue has quit IRC[11:33:13] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[11:38:07] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[11:38:10] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[11:39:45] *** sugar3 has joined #haiku[11:41:47] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[11:44:13] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[11:44:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[11:52:54] *** mmadia has quit IRC[12:01:32] *** sprma has joined #haiku[12:05:32] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[12:10:39] *** adamk__ has joined #haiku[12:10:50] *** adamk__ has quit IRC[12:12:18] *** Geoz1 has joined #haiku[12:12:36] *** Geoz has quit IRC[12:12:58] *** adamk_ is now known as adamk`[12:13:03] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[12:13:12] *** adamk` has left #haiku[12:13:19] *** Geoz1 is now known as Geoz[12:19:07] *** adamk_ has joined #haiku[12:26:32] *** sprma has quit IRC[12:26:49] *** sarmale has quit IRC[12:35:30] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[12:50:49] *** procton has quit IRC[12:51:02] *** szczur has quit IRC[13:09:18] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[13:15:01] *** nibble has joined #haiku[13:32:07] *** Carbamide has quit IRC[13:35:21] *** atomozero has joined #haiku[13:39:49] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[13:47:17] *** nibble has quit IRC[14:13:22] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[14:14:20] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[14:14:33] *** Disreali_ has joined #haiku[14:15:20] *** Disreali_ has quit IRC[14:19:03] <Disreali> morning[14:23:32] <gordonjcp> afternoon[14:24:29] *** Carbamide has joined #haiku[14:30:18] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[14:33:25] *** wackymacs has joined #haiku[14:42:32] *** atomozero has quit IRC[14:45:34] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[14:45:49] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[14:48:18] *** nibble has joined #haiku[14:51:18] <Carbamide> Good morning[14:51:38] <stpere> bad morning. :)[14:53:59] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[14:53:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[14:54:40] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[14:55:22] *** nibble has quit IRC[14:56:39] <Carbamide> bad day. I have to be to work at 7 tonight instead of 11[14:56:39] <Carbamide> :-([14:56:52] <Carbamide> So I need to get my ass in bed.[14:56:52] <Carbamide> and the rest of me too[14:59:09] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[15:14:11] *** MindChild has quit IRC[15:23:36] <stpere> then go :)[15:23:59] <stpere> alpha! go go go ! /swat team storm #haiku to bring Carbamide to bed[15:26:25] *** M199 has quit IRC[15:32:25] *** lauri has joined #haiku[15:32:50] *** ln- has quit IRC[15:32:57] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[15:33:14] *** lauri is now known as ln-[15:38:48] *** koo5 has joined #haiku[15:39:11] *** Carbamide has quit IRC[15:40:46] *** Carbamide has joined #haiku[15:49:47] *** procton has joined #haiku[15:52:52] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[15:57:20] *** nibble has joined #haiku[16:02:55] *** Disreali_ has joined #haiku[16:03:19] *** Disreali_ has quit IRC[16:05:17] *** Geoz has quit IRC[16:05:30] *** essiene has joined #haiku[16:12:00] *** essiene has quit IRC[16:17:52] *** essiene has 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/haiku/trunk/docs/userguide/en/installation/install-source-linux.html: Added a line for adding the Development optional package, so the @ disk case wouldn't be empty.[17:57:27] *** gllt-away has quit IRC[17:58:20] *** andguent has quit IRC[18:01:40] *** szczur has joined #haiku[18:02:18] *** koo5 has joined #haiku[18:02:50] <szczur> hi[18:03:09] *** hugen_ has joined #haiku[18:03:13] <hugen_> hey[18:03:35] <hugen_> hi Mixerr[18:03:44] <geist> hey[18:04:14] *** hisoka999 has joined #haiku[18:04:31] <hugen_> problem of week: http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/3922[18:05:38] *** hugen_ is now known as Hugen[18:06:40] *** aljen has joined #haiku[18:06:46] <aljen> hey[18:11:36] <szczur> hi aljen[18:12:04] <Hugen> hi szczur[18:12:07] *** crash_ has quit IRC[18:12:16] <aljen> hey szczur[18:12:22] <Hugen> he he[18:12:40] <szczur> what a greetings :D[18:13:21] <gordonjcp> hello[18:13:30] <gordonjcp> does pulse give a reasonably "true" measure of CPU speed?[18:13:49] <gordonjcp> like, if it says "Pentium II, 1800MHz" is that really what it thinks it's running on?[18:16:42] * JonathanThompson would love to see a Pentium II running that fast[18:17:02] <gordonjcp> I did kind of wonder[18:17:09] <HeTo> sounds most likely like qemu[18:17:14] <gordonjcp> it is[18:17:48] <AlienSoldier> in emulation PII can have this speed and keanu reeve can do kung-fu[18:19:54] <mmu_man> 2nd HADOPI censorship victim in France :[18:19:55] <mmu_man> http://www.pcinpact.com/actu/news/50880-hadopi-orange-blog-securite-suppression.htm[18:20:14] <mmu_man> (Orange is the leading (historical) ISP & telco in france)[18:20:25] <mmu_man> they removed a blog entry[18:20:28] <HeTo> I thought HADOPI was just passed a couple of days ago[18:25:18] <gordonjcp> anyone here care to help me with my NVidia problems?[18:25:36] *** andguent has joined #haiku[18:25:49] <mmu_man> HeTo yes, and not even officially in force yet[18:26:04] <mmu_man> yet it had bad side effects already[18:26:21] <mmu_man> someone got fired from the first (privately owned) TV channel[18:26:32] <mmu_man> due to a private mail he sent to his MP[18:27:23] <tqh> welcome to the world of tomorrow.[18:27:42] <luroh> gordonjcp: not that i'd likely be able to help, but what nvidia problems?[18:27:46] *** szczur_ has joined #haiku[18:28:06] <gordonjcp> luroh: NV7300LE, booting natively I get the haiku startup squares, then a black screen[18:28:17] <luroh> (i think i recognize your nick from lugradio, btw)[18:28:20] <gordonjcp> keyboard is still responsive because I can hit F12 and reboot from KDL[18:28:38] <luroh> ah, i have the same problem with my 7900[18:28:39] <gordonjcp> luroh: yes, I used to be in #lugradio and presented a season's worth of hashlugradio[18:28:43] <HeTo> gordonjcp: hit space on boot and try the various options[18:28:54] <luroh> oh, yes, that's probably it[18:28:56] <gordonjcp> HeTo: did that, nothing makes a difference, except telling it to use VESA mode[18:29:18] *** szczur has quit IRC[18:29:30] *** szczur_ is now known as szczur[18:29:40] <luroh> right, that's what i do, blacklist it in nvidia.c[18:29:56] <luroh> haven't found any other workaround so far[18:30:01] <stpere> mmu_man: yeah, interesting side effect[18:30:16] <stpere> mmu_man: everything will be migrated to SSL[18:30:40] <HeTo> I wonder if you can set the video mode the nvidia driver will choose from the space menu, or when booting with VESA[18:30:52] <gordonjcp> luroh: you may remember LR did a segment where the mentioned Haiku, and in HLR I described it as Windows being like a Mercedes (nice, but ultimately a pain in the arse), Linux as being like a Landrover (bit crude but you can modify it any way you want) and BeOS as being a Citroën (wonderful, still far in advance of most other manufacturers, but they don't really make them like that now)[18:31:06] <HeTo> or does the space menu affect not only the boot screen but also the desktop resolution?[18:31:23] <gordonjcp> HeTo: well it seems to boot up in 1024x768 in VESA mode anyway[18:31:29] <luroh> hehe :P[18:31:32] <gordonjcp> plus, it still doesn't support 1680x105[18:31:37] <gordonjcp> 1050 ;-)[18:32:12] <gordonjcp> the debug log for the nvidia accelerant doesn't show anything untoward[18:33:09] <tqh> maybe it shows output on another connector?[18:33:23] *** koo5 has quit IRC[18:33:35] <gordonjcp> I wondered about that; it has VGA and DVI but I have no DVI adaptors[18:33:45] *** koo5 has joined #haiku[18:33:57] *** koo5 has quit IRC[18:34:10] *** koo5 has joined #haiku[18:34:25] *** koo5 has quit IRC[18:34:31] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[18:34:35] <gordonjcp> wonder if switchhead works[18:34:38] *** koo5 has joined #haiku[18:34:40] <gordonjcp> brb, rebooting[18:34:49] *** koo5 has quit IRC[18:35:00] <luroh> good idea, i'll try that (the 7900 has two DVI ports)[18:35:21] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[18:35:43] <mmu_man> yeah, we need to make Haiku HADOPI-ready ;)[18:35:51] <mmu_man> http://revolf.free.fr/qdn/banniere_hadopi_exe_poubelle_pas_chez_moi.png[18:37:36] <gordonjcp> no, didn't help with mine[18:37:57] <gordonjcp> I should search for an existing ticket[18:38:02] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[18:39:32] <luroh> i've been following http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/2643[18:40:45] *** _-Caleb-_ has joined #haiku[18:40:48] <luroh> might not be related to either of our problems, of course[18:42:23] <stpere> mmu_man: so, you think you can kungfu? :)[18:43:07] *** Carbamide has quit IRC[18:43:46] <mmu_man> aw[18:43:50] <mmu_man> 3rd victim![18:44:27] <HeTo> isn't that what you first said to be the second victim?[18:44:29] <stpere> isn't the same? :)[18:44:45] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[18:44:51] <mmu_man> no, another author on the same blog group[18:45:05] <luroh> victim of what, what are they doing and who are they?[18:45:29] <stpere> luroh: they are criticizing Hadopi[18:45:34] <stpere> and censored[18:45:36] <Hodapp> did I hear my name?[18:45:48] <luroh> and Orange is deleting their blog entries?[18:45:50] <stpere> no. look at that bright red light[18:45:52] <stpere> :)[18:46:21] <stpere> luroh: I think so, but not sure exactly "how" it is censored[18:46:29] <stpere> just that we need google cache to read them :)[18:46:34] <luroh> hmm, i wonder why, does Orange love hadopi?[18:47:01] <Teknomancer> hmm[18:48:11] <Hodapp> hmm[18:51:15] *** Elledan has joined #haiku[18:51:22] *** szczur has quit IRC[18:51:36] <mmu_man> stpere yes their blog entry got removed[18:51:48] <stpere> ok[18:51:52] <stpere> that's bad[18:52:24] <stpere> they should just be forced to add a note : "this doesn't represent the company's point of view" or something[18:54:54] <mmu_man> it's a blog[18:54:56] <mmu_man> it's implied[18:55:34] <MindChild> Who the blooooody hell is hadopi[18:55:37] <MindChild> and why should I care[18:55:41] <MindChild> he's probably a puss[18:55:43] *** Elledan is now known as hackkitten[18:55:46] <MindChild> and needs a punch in the eye[18:57:39] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[18:58:15] <AlienSoldier> it's not a name , it's an acronyme[18:58:16][18:58:45] <MindChild> Boy, that clears it up[18:58:49] <MindChild> :|[18:58:59] <hackkitten> :3[18:59:10] <hackkitten> the french government hates the internet~[18:59:15] <hackkitten> and people who use it[18:59:32] <MindChild> Well, the world hates the french[18:59:34] <MindChild> so were even[19:00:00] <tqh> MindChild, no we changed. We like the french now.[19:00:09] <MindChild> We do?[19:00:11] <MindChild> Damnit[19:00:15] <cps1966> the french alays have their shorts in a bunch[19:00:15] <tqh> didn't you get the memo?[19:00:16] <MindChild> I need to watch more tv[19:00:28] <MindChild> Memo?! It must be around here somehere![19:00:41] * hackkitten rushes to finish the cover for her TPS report @_@[19:00:48] <hackkitten> :3[19:00:50] *** Hugen has quit IRC[19:02:20] *** tqh has quit IRC[19:03:25] *** Rakhun|away has joined #haiku[19:04:49] <luroh> the french bailed my ass out of a situation in west africa a couple of years ago, i'm thankful for that[19:04:56] <luroh> could have been ugly[19:05:18] <pyCube> yes[19:05:24] <cps1966> one crook to the other[19:05:35] <luroh> so yes, i'll give them a free pass to have their way with their internet users :P[19:05:44] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[19:05:58] <stpere> I think it's actually a good thing[19:06:11] <stpere> it will force people to learn about their privacy[19:06:15] *** lorglas_laptop has joined #haiku[19:06:19] <luroh> true[19:06:25] <stpere> encrypt every email, etc..[19:06:30] <stpere> always use SSL[19:06:56] *** lorglas_laptop has quit IRC[19:07:21] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[19:07:51] <HeTo> what's it about? most I've heard is it forces ISPs to shut down Internet access from their users if some copyright holder requests that[19:09:49] <stpere> basically, they send you notices[19:09:55] <stpere> if I understood correctly[19:09:59] <stpere> on third, you are cut off[19:10:24] <HeTo> what does that have to do with SSL?[19:10:28] <AlienSoldier> it's like the prisonier paradox[19:10:47] <AlienSoldier> if everybody ignore that law, ISP will kill themself by applying it[19:11:06] <AlienSoldier> so everybody just have to think the same[19:11:15] <stpere> HeTo: hmm, basically, they have to know you are downloading stuff, no? their stuff?[19:11:29] <stpere> the ISP can't really monitor SSL traffic[19:11:31] <stpere> I hope[19:13:50] <HeTo> stpere: aren't most downloaders also sharers? in that case the media companies could just download copyrighted material from people, and since they got that, they know the other end has shared that[19:14:08] <stpere> well, behaviour will change[19:14:17] <HeTo> and even if most people didn't share, the copyright holders could just set up their own seeds[19:14:28] <stpere> peer to peer will probably disappear in france as we know it[19:14:30] <stpere> too easy for them[19:17:05] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[19:19:43] *** Hugen has joined #haiku[19:19:48] <Hugen> re[19:20:47] *** Rakhun|away is now known as Rakhun[19:20:48] <Teknomancer> BeShare[19:21:00] <Teknomancer> wonder if we do ssl over beshare :)[19:21:19] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[19:23:45] <cps1966> talk to monni about that[19:24:53] <AlienSoldier> well, there is compression and BMessage, i guess it's only that[19:26:42] <AlienSoldier> it's kind of stupid. Before they where able to know how much they got pirated, now they will no nothing about it as most will encrypt. They are moving in quicksand[19:26:54] <AlienSoldier> *know[19:28:44] <geist> yeah, nevr read the prisoner paradox[19:28:53] <Teknomancer> hmm[19:28:56] <Teknomancer> prisoner paradox?[19:29:17] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[19:29:45] <Teknomancer> googles[19:35:21] <gordonjcp> okay[19:35:38] <gordonjcp> I'm not even sure that nvidia.settings is even being read now[19:36:02] *** Hugen has quit IRC[19:36:24] <CIA-20> zooey * r30761 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/kits/interface/TextViewTest.cpp:[19:36:24] <CIA-20> * adjusted to allow for switching between alignments (and now makes use of[19:36:24] <CIA-20> the layouting engine, too)[19:37:31] <AlienSoldier> i worded it wrong, it's more the "Prisoner's dilemma"[19:37:47] <AlienSoldier> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner's_dilemma[19:39:37] <PulkoMandy> the fun thing with this law is that your isp cut the connexion, but you still have to pay them[19:41:55] <CIA-20> scottmc * r298 /haikuports/trunk/dev-lang/python/ (python-2.6.2-haiku.diff Python.OptionalPackageDescription): Updated python patch for version 2.6.2, also adding in Python.OptionalPackageDescription file[19:42:14] <CIA-20> zooey * r30762 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/TextView.cpp:[19:42:14] <CIA-20> * corrected the computation of alignment offsets for centered or right-aligned[19:42:14] <CIA-20> textviews, such that the characters are drawn at their correct positions and[19:42:14] <CIA-20> there are no longer any mismatches between caret and character positions[19:42:15] <CIA-20> * fixed too large widths returned by LineWidth() for lines ending with a[19:42:16] <CIA-20> newline: the newline character must not contribute to the width[19:42:19] <CIA-20> This makes the textcontrol in DiskProbe work properly again.[19:43:09] *** oxocoffee has joined #haiku[19:44:24] <AlienSoldier> PulkoMandy that is the part that make it even more stupid, what do you think a guy with no internet have to loose about cutting the wire in the street in protest?[19:44:54] *** Hugen has joined #haiku[19:45:17] <PulkoMandy> well, anyways i'm already connected to my neighbour wifi[19:45:26] <PulkoMandy> so i don't pay anything :)[19:45:27] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[19:46:07] <HeTo> what, you have to pay for Internet access you don't have?[19:46:27] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[19:46:39] <HeTo> what if they decide to raise the charge?[19:48:18] <Rakhun> another thing I heard is that people will be required to install spyware from the government, and if they don't they are directly considered guilty[19:49:15] <pfoetchen> and if the spyware does not run on your os? ;)[19:49:20] <pyCube> heh[19:49:23] <Rakhun> guilty[19:49:24] <stpere> pfoetchen: that's a terrorist OS then[19:49:29] <stpere> buy a REAL OS :)[19:49:33] <pfoetchen> ;)[19:49:50] <pfoetchen> ok but I don't want to give up my Atari ;)[19:50:03] <Rakhun> way too many sick minds in control[19:50:08] <PulkoMandy> Rakhun, yes, the spyware is the only way to prove you didn't do anything wrong[19:50:24] <Rakhun> installing spyware is wrong >.<[19:50:58] <Rakhun> I guess you can make a software to send a fake signal though[19:51:18] <pyCube> if things go that way, it'll just make my deciding to say "f**k it! i am moving to the mountains and going all 19th century" easier..wont have to deal with laeving behind sweet net connectivity[19:52:32] *** gabriela is now known as glootech[19:53:40] <pfoetchen> I should get some oil rig and found my own country ;)[19:54:03] * Rakhun will move to pfoetchen's country[19:54:11] <cps1966> just thee platform[19:54:27] <HeTo> pfoetchen: didn't the Pirate Bay plan something like that?[19:54:41] <pfoetchen> I heard something like that...[19:54:44] <Rakhun> they did, not sure what happened to those plans though[19:54:51] <Rakhun> did plan it*[19:55:18] <pfoetchen> is sealand still for sale ;) ?[19:57:15] *** nibble has quit IRC[19:58:05] *** szczur has joined #haiku[19:58:33] <Rakhun> ask them :) contact at sealandgov dot org (couldn't find anything on their website)[19:58:55] <AlienSoldier> perhaps they just need to hire dennis hopper to fly a plane 24/24[19:59:26] <Rakhun> they ask for support by joining their facebook group though (I find that a bit sad for a country to do..)[19:59:59] *** adamk_ has quit IRC[20:05:29] <PulkoMandy> hey, does sealand have an internet domain like .fr ? do they have fast enough internet access ? :)[20:07:58] <pfoetchen> hm we could take over one of those undersea cables ;)[20:11:33] <Rakhun> PulkoMandy: I'm sure if pfoetchen buys it and makes it the one sane country in the would the internet will move to it ;)[20:12:25] <cps1966> fiber to every home[20:15:09] <Rakhun> might not have to buy anything though.. maybe the sealand government is sane already?[20:17:33] *** mmu_laptop has joined #haiku[20:17:33] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_laptop[20:24:03] *** DrHouse_Compaq has joined #haiku[20:27:31] *** wtracy has joined #haiku[20:29:10] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[20:29:23] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[20:32:59] *** Barrett666_ has joined #haiku[20:34:16] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[20:38:21] *** Carbamide has joined #haiku[20:38:22] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[20:39:17] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[20:40:50] *** wtracy has quit IRC[20:42:20] *** Hugen has quit IRC[20:44:46] *** mmadia has quit IRC[20:48:32] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[20:52:28] *** Hugen_ has joined #haiku[20:54:07] *** awpeter has joined #haiku[21:00:04] *** lorenzo64 has joined #haiku[21:02:50] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[21:03:14] *** DrHouse_Compaq has quit IRC[21:08:16] <urnenfeld> Someone has the contact of Werner Freytag, creator of PecoRename, pecobeat and more?[21:11:19] *** oxocoffee has quit IRC[21:12:07] <AlienSoldier> urnenfeld could this be his new site? 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:P[21:51:15] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[21:55:37] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[21:56:03] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[21:56:31] *** oco has joined #haiku[21:57:35] *** redblue has joined #haiku[21:58:32] *** MrSunshine__ has quit IRC[21:59:15] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[22:00:53] <expensivelesbian> MrSunshine there wasn't one in BeOS either, but the driver was alleged to work. Course, I'm not an expert in BeOS/Haiku driver setups, or wireless.[22:03:36] *** expensivelesbia1 has quit IRC[22:03:38] * gordonjcp is getting the nvidia rage[22:03:59] <gordonjcp> has anyone got any kind of modern NVidia card working in Haiku?[22:04:26] <MrSunshine_> they are not supported after a specefic verson[22:04:31] <MrSunshine_> as the cores has changed alot[22:05:01] <cps1966> what version[22:05:06] <geist> geforce 8+ is a totally different thing[22:05:06] <MrSunshine_> dunno :)[22:05:14] <MrSunshine_> ahh theres your answer =)[22:05:17] <gordonjcp> cps1966: gf7300LE[22:05:39] <cps1966> so a 7200 gtx qould work[22:05:47] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[22:05:58] <MrSunshine_> http://haiku.it.su.se:8180/source/xref/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/graphics/nvidia/driver.c[22:06:03] <MrSunshine_> there you got a list of the supported cards[22:06:06] <MrSunshine_> pci-ids[22:06:07] <gordonjcp> if I could even get a VESA mode working at 1680x1050[22:06:25] <MrSunshine_> 7300GT looks like its supported[22:06:41] <cps1966> heh mines even worse[22:06:44] <MrSunshine_> LE is not in there :P[22:06:51] <MrSunshine_> might work if you add the pci-id[22:06:56] <MrSunshine_> as it shouldnt differ that much to GT[22:07:20] <MrSunshine_> but there stll is no guaranti it works as it might be totaly untested =)[22:07:23] <cps1966> 1920x1080[22:07:27] <gordonjcp> LE is in there[22:07:31] <MrSunshine_> is it ?[22:07:41] <MrSunshine_> i only see GT[22:07:48] <MrSunshine_> ahh ther e:)[22:07:52] <gordonjcp> 0x01d1, /* Nvidia GeForce 7300 LE */[22:08:49] <gordonjcp> is it possible it's making the LCD unhappy?[22:08:57] <gordonjcp> hang on hang on, what would the default mode be?[22:11:06] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[22:11:12] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[22:11:46] *** expensivelesbian has left #haiku[22:14:02] *** _-Caleb-_ has quit IRC[22:14:41] *** Hugen_ has quit IRC[22:15:33] <gordonjcp> funny thing is, the logging on the serial port stops at "ps2: keyboard found"[22:16:42] <MrSunshine_> gordonjcp, do you have an usb memory in a slot or some usb device inserted?[22:17:20] <MrSunshine_> i had a problem like that almost ... it locked strangley at a place when i logged to console tho ... when i removed my usb memory it booted fine :P[22:17:35] <gordonjcp> USB mouse, that's all[22:17:38] *** Svarthandske has quit IRC[22:17:51] <MrSunshine_> ahh ok[22:17:54] <gordonjcp> brb, trying with the crappy apple USB keyboard[22:19:36] <gordonjcp> oho[22:19:52] *** adamk_ has joined #haiku[22:20:04] <gordonjcp> "ps2 service" dropped me to KDL[22:20:42] <gordonjcp> USB keyboard has no effect[22:22:26] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[22:25:45] <gordonjcp> gah, this is so annoying[22:25:57] * dr_evil wrote ps2 service[22:26:02] <dr_evil> bruhahaha[22:26:20] <gordonjcp> dr_evil: it KDLs if you boot without a PS/2 keyboard[22:26:26] <gordonjcp> you live up to your name[22:26:40] <PulkoMandy> +++[22:26:44] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[22:27:01] <dr_evil> that was introduced recently by same changes in the LegacyDevice class[22:27:10] <dr_evil> I think we already have an open ticket for that[22:27:18] <gordonjcp> okay[22:27:27] <gordonjcp> still probably not my nvidia problem though[22:28:44] *** hisoka999 has quit IRC[22:28:57] <gordonjcp> well fuck it[22:29:33] <gordonjcp> it looks like it's not ever going to work on my desktop machine, but I guess I can live with crap resolution if I'm only using it to compile packages[22:30:04] <gordonjcp> any recommendations for PCI-E video cards that *do* work with Haiku?[22:30:08] <Clay_> what about a vm?[22:30:26] <gordonjcp> too slow[22:30:38] <gordonjcp> it takes 36 hours to build Python running in a VM[22:30:53] <Clay_> wow[22:31:14] <Clay_> what vm software??[22:31:18] <gordonjcp> qemu[22:31:28] <Clay_> i compile crap all the time in vmware, doesn't take that long[22:31:55] <gordonjcp> I couldn't get vmware to work[22:32:50] <gordonjcp> I installed it and it splattered random files all over the place[22:33:00] <gordonjcp> and then lots of stuff broke[22:34:51] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[22:34:57] *** DrHouse_Compaq has quit IRC[22:36:52] *** expensivelesbia1 has joined #haiku[22:39:05] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[22:46:16] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:46:26] *** szczur has quit IRC[22:49:40] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[23:02:47] *** crash_ has quit IRC[23:03:37] *** procton has quit IRC[23:03:45] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[23:05:03] *** procton has joined #haiku[23:08:11] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[23:09:49] *** szczur has joined #haiku[23:11:39] *** zaunpfahl has left #haiku[23:13:39] *** expensivelesbia1 has left #haiku[23:13:41] *** andguent has quit IRC[23:14:58] *** urnenfeld has quit IRC[23:21:10] *** wackymacs has left #haiku[23:23:12] *** fcr has joined #haiku[23:24:05] <kirilla> I too get the new ps2 kdl[23:24:47] *** octernion has joined #haiku[23:27:12] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[23:28:32] <dr_evil> you must be very lucky kirilla[23:29:01] <kirilla> dr_evil: how do you mean? :)[23:29:44] *** _TestamenT_ has joined #haiku[23:30:19] *** _TestamenT_ has left #haiku[23:30:27] <dr_evil> ;) I thought a few people already mentioned that. however I don't find the ticket[23:31:53] *** diogen-ru has joined #haiku[23:32:10] <kirilla> I don't quite get the relation between boot-up KDLs and good luck. :))[23:32:53] *** expensivelesbian has joined #haiku[23:33:39] <kirilla> maybe it would be a notion worth adopting[23:33:44] *** expensivelesbian has quit IRC[23:34:26] <HeTo> kirilla: you've been so lucky that you have been able to afford a system that does not have PS/2 ports[23:34:46] <HeTo> because if it had PS/2 ports, you would have, of course, hooked up a PS/2 keyboard instead of complaining[23:35:27] <MindChild> I must have PS/2[23:35:33] <kirilla> HeTo: I merely mentioned it briefly, not directed at anyone in particular.. sharing != complaining[23:35:35] <MindChild> Even my M3N ws gave me a single PS2 port[23:35:41] <MindChild> for my IBM Model M[23:36:54] <kirilla> HeTo: I do have a system with ps/2 ports, but I need my only ps/2 keyboard on my beos-computer, so Axel won't complain about the missing '-character that is the result of my USB keyboards on -that- computer[23:37:24] <kirilla> and that's just an explantanation and not a complaint[23:37:32] <kirilla> explanation[23:38:03] <HeTo> kirilla: yeah, mostly just kidding[23:38:23] <kirilla> sometimes, I can'[23:38:46] <kirilla> the internet, always joking or flaming, and sometimes hard to tell apart[23:38:47] <HeTo> but partly guessing what could be lucky about not having PS/2 keyboard attached[23:39:02] *** szczur has quit IRC[23:39:16] <kirilla> I'm a little tired lately[23:39:40] <cps1966> aren't we all[23:39:50] <MindChild> No. I smoke crack[23:40:04] <cps1966> whos crack[23:40:12] <kirilla> late nights, and little love for my commits.. ah well. :P[23:41:01] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[23:41:01] *** luroh has quit IRC[23:41:01] *** ln- has quit IRC[23:41:01] *** Mazon has quit IRC[23:42:25] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[23:42:25] *** luroh has joined #haiku[23:42:25] *** ln- has joined #haiku[23:42:25] *** Mazon has joined #haiku[23:44:24] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[23:45:36] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[23:46:17] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[23:51:33] *** sugar3 has joined #haiku[23:54:07] *** luroh has quit IRC[23:54:57] *** atomozero has joined #haiku[23:56:28] *** amigamia has joined #haiku[23:58:57] *** octernion has quit IRC