May 12, 2009 
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May 12, 2009 [00:00:58] *** deetah_ has quit IRC[00:02:01] <kirilla> Disreali_: should be the same[00:02:26] <kirilla> Disreali_: I don't know if anything substantial has changed about it since it was renamed.[00:03:12] <kirilla> unless you're thinking of classic TrackerGrep, a few version back[00:03:43] <Disreali_> kirilla, yeah, I just saw in ProcessController that the thread had trackergrep in its name[00:04:12] <kirilla> aha :) names == skin deep[00:04:14] <Disreali_> I never used TrackerGrep, so I was curious[00:04:41] <kirilla> last version of TrackerGrep is almost identical, unless I missed something[00:04:57] <Disreali_> I thick the new name is more self explanitory for new users[00:05:02] <Disreali_> think[00:05:15] <kirilla> yeah, at least non-techies[00:05:27] <kirilla> which is a good thing[00:05:41] <kirilla> Tracker(?)Grep(?)[00:06:08] *** aurynn has joined #haiku[00:06:23] <mmadia> kirilla : have you noticed that TextSearch isn't able to open files when the results are double-clicked?[00:06:33] <Disreali_> kirilla, I like the layout of the app, very clean. and quite a useful thing to have[00:06:50] <kirilla> mmadia: no, I'm not using Haiku much yet[00:07:28] <kirilla> mmadia: I think I read something about BListView not getting notified on dbl-clicks or some such, recently[00:08:03] <mmadia> ah :)[00:09:02] <kirilla> Disreali_: I'm thinking tabs might be useful .. [Sources] [ Search] [ Results ] .. maybe.. at least a tab to visualize the sources on which one is grepping[00:09:29] <kirilla> since the sources can be rather disjoint collection of files[00:09:43] <kirilla> not merely a folder or set of files with a shared parent[00:10:51] <Disreali_> good idea[00:10:57] <kirilla> and a feature to filter out stuff in a more intelligent way.. sort of like grep -v foo[00:11:26] <kirilla> separate include / exclude formulas[00:12:02] <Disreali_> i'd love to chat more, but I've be given an ultimatum to to visit gf's family[00:12:04] <Disreali_> bye[00:12:08] * Disreali_ is idle: BRB[00:12:14] <kirilla> night Disreali[00:12:29] <kirilla> heh :) gfs..[00:12:34] <kirilla> *sigh*[00:13:13] *** deetah__ has quit IRC[00:18:58] *** HaiColon has quit IRC[00:22:36] <pyCube> stupid girls and their stupid girliness[00:24:26] *** Sloar has joined #haiku[00:24:40] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[00:25:12] *** nibble has quit IRC[00:26:10] *** Kokito has quit IRC[00:27:45] <kirilla> and their stupid visit-family ultimatums :}[00:32:09] <kirilla> good night everyone, see you tomorrow[00:32:12] *** kirilla has quit IRC[00:32:26] *** Sloar has left #haiku[00:32:52] *** michael_ has joined #haiku[00:33:21] <CIA-20> mmlr * r30710 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/busses/usb/ (uhci.cpp uhci_hardware.h):[00:33:21] <CIA-20> * Move the actual and maximum length calculation into two inline functions.[00:33:21] <CIA-20> * Use those to make sure the size is retrieved correctly in all cases (which[00:33:21] <CIA-20> it wasn't in the short packet tests).[00:33:21] <CIA-20> * Don't detect short packets for control transfers as we need the status packet[00:33:21] <CIA-20> to finish the transfer and cannot quit earlier.[00:33:25] <CIA-20> * Only check for short packets when we also have the short packet flag set.[00:37:11] *** evocallaghan has quit IRC[00:43:37] *** michael_ has quit IRC[00:47:43] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[00:56:13] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[00:57:09] *** jprostko has joined #haiku[00:57:46] *** Kernel86 has joined #Haiku[01:08:41] *** wackymacs has quit IRC[01:14:59] <pyCube> wonderfully wtf.. http://haroldthebarrel.com/[01:26:07] *** oco has quit IRC[01:29:30] *** awpeter has quit IRC[01:30:26] <CIA-20> mmlr * r30711 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/usb/Transfer.cpp:[01:30:26] <CIA-20> In case we already did initialize and prepare kernel access, no need to do it[01:30:26] <CIA-20> again. Especially not because it'd likely fail because we are now most probably[01:30:26] <CIA-20> in the kernel.[01:34:18] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[01:34:28] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[01:34:57] <CIA-20> mmlr * r30712 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/busses/usb/uhci.cpp:[01:34:57] <CIA-20> * Simplify the way fragmented transfers are resubmited.[01:34:57] <CIA-20> * This also paves the way for a different way to handle transfer freeing.[01:34:57] <CIA-20> * Also fixes that errors in reappending would previously not be propagated to[01:34:57] <CIA-20> the caller.[01:40:59] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[01:53:53] <CIA-20> mmlr * r30713 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/busses/usb/ (ehci.h ohci.h uhci.h): Cleanup.[01:54:40] *** bebop3 has joined #haiku[02:01:53] *** ulterior_modem_ has joined #Haiku[02:09:35] *** ulterior_modem has quit IRC[02:11:58] *** ulterior_modem_ has quit IRC[02:29:27] *** jonathanbthompso has joined #Haiku[02:35:56] *** adamk has quit IRC[02:36:51] <pyCube> hi jonathanbthompso[02:38:01] *** ulterior_modem has joined #Haiku[02:47:22] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[02:55:33] *** jonathanbthompso has quit IRC[02:56:23] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[02:57:02] *** knottnhupfer has joined #haiku[03:01:04] *** acidx has joined #haiku[03:03:00] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:18:35] *** DrHouse_Compaq has quit IRC[03:19:12] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[03:28:01] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[03:35:25] *** gcarrier has quit IRC[03:37:25] *** rotordotorklos has quit IRC[03:45:58] *** acidx has quit IRC[03:46:53] *** aurynn has quit IRC[03:48:42] <Disreali_> *burp*[03:49:25] * Hodapp glares at Disreali_[03:49:36] * Disreali_ waves[03:49:49] *** DrHouse_Compaq has joined #haiku[03:50:14] * Disreali_ does his happy-drunk dance[03:50:40] * Hodapp drunkenly sings the song about the Edmund Fitzgerald[03:50:47] <Disreali_> lol\[03:52:17] <Disreali_> gf's unkle homebrews. There was lots of very tasty ales at the party, and I wasn't driving ;)[03:52:42] * mmadia 's homebrew sensor activates[03:52:43] <CIA-20> mmlr * r30714 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/busses/usb/ (uhci.cpp uhci.h): (log message trimmed)[03:52:43] <CIA-20> Do not free the descriptor chains and transfer queue head directly when[03:52:43] <CIA-20> finishing transfers. The host controller might still be using some of those[03:52:43] <CIA-20> structures. In the (unlikely) case that a freed memory chunk would be[03:52:43] <CIA-20> immediately re-used and filled with new values this would lead the controller[03:52:45] <CIA-20> to either find invalid values and assert a process error or it could follow[03:52:47] <CIA-20> invalid list links leading to host system errors. We have to wait with freeing[03:53:26] <Disreali_> mmadia, I thought you would show up if I mentioned it[03:53:35] <mmadia> heh[03:54:35] *** M199 has joined #haiku[03:55:22] <Disreali_> 'Fritz the Brewer" is what the family calls him, there are three other relative named fritz[03:56:49] <Disreali_> He made a very tasty Alt that we finished off[03:58:10] <Carbamide> I tried homebrewing once with a "Mr. Beer" brewing kit[03:58:15] <Carbamide> Turned out horrible.[03:59:54] <Disreali_> Carbamide, ALL "mr. beer' kits turn out terrible. It was not just you[04:00:08] <MindChild> Homemade beer always tastes ass. If you like it you are a liar or have no tongue[04:00:28] <Disreali_> MindChild, untrue[04:05:27] *** Master199 has quit IRC[04:06:51] <Disreali_> whatever happened to the dockbert sources? they used to be hosted by beunited.org[04:07:13] <bebop3> has anyone had trouble building a haiku cd on linux?[04:08:09] <Disreali_> the maillist had some stuff about that recently. haven't read the post yet[04:08:15] <bebop3> I am getting this message http://haiku.pastebin.com/d2772b632[04:08:22] <bebop3> ok I will check the logs[04:08:56] <mmadia> bebop3 try install the real mkisofs[04:09:14] <mmadia> http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/cdrecord.html[04:09:38] <bebop3> thanks mmadia[04:11:25] *** knottnhupfer has quit IRC[04:11:42] <Disreali_> http://www.freelists.org/post/haiku-development/LIVE-CD[04:16:02] *** knottnhupfer has joined #haiku[04:18:25] *** redblue has joined #haiku[04:25:53] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[04:28:21] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[04:32:05] *** jprostko has quit 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earlier new client SOB under Windows[05:53:54] <Hugen_> and to be visible some progress there, at us unfortunately not[05:55:12] <umccullough> you need to run mprime -d[05:55:18] <umccullough> oh, you mean prime95?[05:55:22] <Hugen_> ah[05:55:25] <umccullough> wait..[05:55:26] <Hugen_> yes[05:55:29] <Hugen_> this is normal, that in draught of hour I do 1%?[05:55:32] <umccullough> you mean on the seventeenorbust.com website?[05:55:52] <umccullough> how fast is the computer?[05:56:14] <umccullough> my core 2 duo 2.66ghz takes 6 days to finish a test[05:56:38] <Hugen_> I mean in the client[05:56:55] <Hugen_> ATHLON X2 2400[05:57:05] <umccullough> yeah, that's a bit slow :)[05:57:10] <umccullough> 4200?[05:57:43] <Hugen_> sorry[05:58:02] <Hugen_> fact, 4600 exacly[05:58:05] <umccullough> ah[05:58:07] <Hugen_> 2,4 GHz[05:58:20] <Hugen_> morning time[05:58:25] <Hugen_> :D[05:58:40] <aljen> re =)[05:59:02] <umccullough> my core 2 duo does < 1% in 1 hour[05:59:07] <umccullough> it's more like .75%[05:59:29] <umccullough> 100% = 6 days[06:01:43] <Hugen_> at me firmly less, but yet whole hour under Win I did not calculate how I saw beginning :/[06:02:06] <Hugen_> but now I use mprime -d under Haiku[06:03:18] * Hugen_ have coffe time[06:03:37] <Hugen_> :D[06:14:05] *** MrSunshine_ has quit IRC[06:14:05] *** qoreQ has quit IRC[06:14:05] *** AndrevS has quit IRC[06:14:06] *** Disreali has quit IRC[06:14:06] *** miqlas has quit IRC[06:14:06] *** CIA-20 has quit IRC[06:14:07] *** boardbot25 has quit IRC[06:14:07] *** surrounder has quit IRC[06:14:07] *** ChanServ has quit IRC[06:14:08] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[06:14:08] *** aljen has quit IRC[06:14:08] *** koo5 has quit IRC[06:14:08] *** SiCuTDeUx__ has quit IRC[06:14:08] *** HeTo has quit IRC[06:14:08] *** vbmithr has quit IRC[06:14:08] *** Maya-sama has quit IRC[06:14:09] *** Hugen_ has quit IRC[06:14:09] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[06:14:09] *** redblue has quit IRC[06:14:09] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[06:14:10] *** 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Cenobit has quit IRC[12:20:11] *** [Katisu] has joined #haiku[12:21:08] *** buzzomatic has left #haiku[12:52:41] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[12:53:16] <Teknomancer> afternoon[12:58:11] *** Scott_Puopolo has joined #haiku[13:00:16] *** bebophaiku has quit IRC[13:07:46] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[13:08:22] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[13:12:46] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[13:15:21] *** Scott_Puopolo has quit IRC[13:32:08] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[13:41:43] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[13:51:28] *** knottnhupfer has quit IRC[13:53:13] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[14:13:03] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[14:14:46] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[14:16:13] *** nibble has joined #haiku[14:17:13] *** Gaap has joined #haiku[14:20:42] *** Hugen_ has joined #haiku[14:20:53] <Hugen_> hi again today[14:27:13] *** shevy has joined #haiku[14:27:17] <shevy> how is haiku going these days[14:28:04] *** Mixerr is now known as Mixer[14:28:24] *** Mixer is now known as Mixerr[14:30:41] *** nibble 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Have not seen you in a long time. glad to see you still here[14:39:06] *** Zbychu is now known as Hugen[14:47:59] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[14:49:42] *** HaiColon has quit IRC[14:51:55] *** Disreali_away has joined #haiku[14:52:34] *** Disreali_away is now known as Disreali_[14:52:57] <Teknomancer> hi Disreali_ :)[14:53:07] <Teknomancer> hmm yeah[14:53:25] *** mmu_laptop has joined #haiku[14:53:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_laptop[14:53:34] <Disreali_> hello again[14:53:46] <Teknomancer> beezer still crashes on haiku :/ bleh need to fix it one weekend[14:55:11] <Disreali_> funny that you mention beezer. I just found some early builds that you allowed me to help beta test[14:55:23] <Teknomancer> hmm[14:55:27] <Teknomancer> beezer uses beide projects[14:55:38] <Teknomancer> guess for haiku i'll need to cook up the makefiles myself[14:55:58] <Teknomancer> yeah thanks for that Disreali_, i remember[14:57:25] <Disreali_> Beezer is still my faveorite gui archiver[14:57:40] <Disreali_> even better than winzip[14:57:50] <Teknomancer> maybe i'll just open source it[14:59:06] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[14:59:37] *** yoritomo has joined #haiku[14:59:49] <Disreali_> It might progress further as an open project, but that is up to you[15:00:52] <mmadia> Teknomancer : if you do, any thoughts of hosting it at osdrawer.net ?[15:01:54] <Teknomancer> mmadia: oh yeah i can, but it's all as beide project files, i want to first make it compile properly[15:01:59] <Teknomancer> under haiku then will release it[15:02:08] <Teknomancer> after removing the (unused) GPL bits :)[15:04:24] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[15:04:53] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[15:17:24] *** procton_ has joined #haiku[15:19:22] <HeTo> Teknomancer: doesn't BeIDE have an option to convert a project into a makefile?[15:20:01] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[15:20:22] <HeTo> and if you end up writing them from scratch, I don't know if using the makefile engine or the jamfile engine is the more recommended way[15:21:08] <Teknomancer> hmm right[15:21:13] <Teknomancer> well i want it to be haiku native[15:21:19] <Teknomancer> i mean whatever is recommended by haiku[15:21:36] <Teknomancer> and it has a _lot_ of beIde projects, one for each add-on or something stupid like that[15:21:50] <Teknomancer> need to fix it.. the code/build style is pretty old (obviously)[15:25:40] *** knottnhupfer has joined #haiku[15:36:01] *** procton_ has quit IRC[15:37:50] *** nibble has joined #haiku[15:41:35] *** knottnhupfer has quit IRC[15:43:10] *** procton_ has joined #haiku[15:46:48] *** procton has quit IRC[15:47:42] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[15:48:58] <helf|laptop> lame[15:49:04] * helf|laptop just got to work[15:49:19] <helf|laptop> transmission blew out in jackson mississippi yesterday afternoon :D[15:52:45] *** awpeter has joined #haiku[15:54:56] *** procton has joined #haiku[15:56:38] *** iaurynn has joined #haiku[16:00:56] *** iaurynn is now known as aurynn[16:03:28] *** procton has quit IRC[16:03:49] *** procton has joined #haiku[16:05:33] *** procton_ has quit IRC[16:07:08] *** _-Caleb-_ has joined #haiku[16:08:58] <Teknomancer> helf|laptop: what were you downloading?[16:09:02] *** Carbamide has joined #haiku[16:10:11] <Carbamide> Good morning[16:12:35] *** kmargar has joined #haiku[16:12:58] *** shevy has left #haiku[16:13:02] *** kmargar is now known as markos_[16:14:52] *** DrHouse_Compaq has quit IRC[16:15:54] <helf|laptop> Teknomancer, car transmission[16:17:12] <mmadia> ah, so you were seeding co2 emmissions. :P[16:24:51] <CIA-20> dlmcpaul * r30715 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/media/MediaRoster.cpp: Implement SniffRef[16:26:09] * Disreali_ is idle: BRB[16:27:10] <gordonjcp> helf|laptop: annoying[16:27:16] <gordonjcp> helf|laptop: what happened?[16:27:30] *** Disreali_ has quit IRC[16:27:53] <helf|laptop> tooling along I-20 East @ 70mph when it started slowing and made metal and metal grinding noises when giving it gas :P[16:27:54] *** Disreali_away has joined #haiku[16:28:34] <helf|laptop> i pulled off on the shoulder, figured out exactly what it was then managed to limp it 0.6 miles to a truck stop... that was interesting[16:29:43] <helf|laptop> i have almost no gear control. i can get it into reverse and get it to grind into first gear, but it wont stay in first for too terribly long before it slips out again.[16:30:02] <helf|laptop> and i have to shut the car down completely, let it sit for 30 seconds, then fire it back up to get it to grindback into gear :P[16:30:20] <helf|laptop> took 20 minutes to get that .6 miles :D[16:30:42] <gordonjcp> ouch[16:31:11] <helf|laptop> yeah... least the transmissions for my van aren't horribly expensive. rebuilt ones are less than $1k[16:31:18] <gordonjcp> hrmm[16:31:27] <gordonjcp> I rebuilt the gearbox in my Citroen XM, that was fun[16:31:38] <gordonjcp> input shaft bearing had collapsed at the outer end[16:31:41] <helf|laptop> ouch[16:31:58] <gordonjcp> well, "collapsed", was worn enough that it flopped around by about 3mm[16:32:11] <gordonjcp> it was driving okay but it was damn noisy pulling away in 1st and 2nd[16:32:13] <helf|laptop> my transmission sounds awful and it was leaking fluid around the pan.. so i doubt it would be cost effective to fix :P[16:32:23] <gordonjcp> helf|laptop: thirstymatic?[16:32:44] <helf|laptop> thirstymatic? :)[16:32:48] <gordonjcp> auto box?[16:32:59] <helf|laptop> automatic[16:33:01] <helf|laptop> unfortunately[16:33:16] <gordonjcp> ah, this was a manual[16:33:27] <helf|laptop> automatics suck when someting goes wrong[16:33:34] <gordonjcp> not as hard as you'd think, except I dropped one of the locking pins for the selector shafts into the diff pan[16:33:40] <helf|laptop> you can limp home a manual pretty easily if you clutch or whatever goes[16:33:44] <gordonjcp> I was able to get it out with a magnet stuck to the diff tooth[16:33:44] <helf|laptop> heh[16:33:57] <helf|laptop> *your[16:34:02] <gordonjcp> yeah my gf's VW had an interesting failure - clutch pedal went right to the floor, figured it was the clutch cable[16:34:10] <gordonjcp> but it turns out to be a hydraulic clutch[16:34:17] <helf|laptop> like my rx7[16:34:34] <gordonjcp> and the connection from the master cylinder to the hydraulic pipe is like a kind of a plastic "jack plug" with a wire clip[16:34:37] <helf|laptop> my master cylinder blew on my rx7 and i could not, for the life of me, get it out of first gear[16:34:39] <gordonjcp> and it had popped out of its clip[16:34:48] *** Carbamide has quit IRC[16:34:57] <gordonjcp> bloody stupid[16:34:58] *** Carbamide has joined #haiku[16:35:00] <helf|laptop> heh[16:35:07] <gordonjcp> we have compression swage fittings for a good reason[16:35:14] <helf|laptop> yeah, really[16:35:25] <gordonjcp> on my CX it's a cable clutch, but the arm cracked in half![16:35:43] <gordonjcp> it's made of a piece of pressed steel, and there's a weak point where it's folded[16:35:44] <helf|laptop> how did you manage that?[16:35:49] <helf|laptop> oh[16:35:56] <gordonjcp> apparently it's quite common[16:36:14] * helf|laptop doesnt know much about how an automatic tranny works[16:36:19] <gordonjcp> whipped it off (10mm nut for the cable, big circlip for the splined shaft), welded the bastard solid[16:36:26] <Carbamide> Does this look like a duck to anyone else? O<[16:36:26] <helf|laptop> park wouldnt even work on mine last night :P[16:36:33] <helf|laptop> Carbamide, kinda[16:36:41] <gordonjcp> a bit[16:36:50] <Carbamide> Awesome.[16:36:54] <gordonjcp> helf|laptop: you know what an epicyclic gearbox is?[16:36:59] <helf|laptop> nope[16:37:04] <gordonjcp> helf|laptop: you know a spirograph?[16:37:25] <helf|laptop> i will in a second :P ive never paid much attention to gearboxes[16:38:05] <gordonjcp> basically you've got a ring with teeth on the inside, a sort of a "cage" with little gears on the bars that mesh with the teeth on the ring, and a gear up the middle[16:38:11] <helf|laptop> oh[16:38:16] <helf|laptop> i know what spyrographs are[16:38:20] <helf|laptop> *spiro[16:38:30] <gordonjcp> when you spin the gear in the middle (the sun gear) the ones on the cage (planet gears) turn, and the ring spins[16:38:36] <helf|laptop> yeah[16:38:44] <gordonjcp> if you then grab hold of the ring, the cage will turn[16:39:05] <gordonjcp> link a bunch of cages together, put all the sun gears on a shaft together and have a brake for each ring[16:39:19] <helf|laptop> what has to break in an automatic to keep it from staying in a gear?[16:39:20] <gordonjcp> by pulling on one of the brakes you can change which set of gears is selected[16:39:27] <gordonjcp> damn near anything :-/[16:39:30] <helf|laptop> heh[16:39:43] <helf|laptop> what about making Park not function? :)[16:40:05] <gordonjcp> that *is* a weird one, because that's a sort of a toothed ring, like square teeth[16:40:14] <gordonjcp> and a peg drops in between the teeth to lock it solid[16:40:28] <helf|laptop> yeah, i thought park not working was a little bizarre, when it didnt work, i knew the tranny was fairly screwed :P[16:40:38] <gordonjcp> it's also possible it's the differential[16:40:43] <gordonjcp> is it rear-wheel drive?[16:40:44] <helf|laptop> ah ok, i figured thats how the park thing worked[16:40:47] <helf|laptop> yeah[16:40:50] <gordonjcp> okay[16:40:59] <gordonjcp> can you identify if the noise is from the box or rear axle?[16:41:16] <gordonjcp> 'cos if it's the rear axle that's a lot less pain and suffering ;-)[16:41:23] <helf|laptop> sounded like it was from the gear box.. but the van is 300 miles away still. i wont be getting it till sunday[16:41:25] <gordonjcp> no, wait, you said it wasn't staying in gear[16:41:26] <helf|laptop> yeah :P[16:41:31] <gordonjcp> :-/[16:41:31] <helf|laptop> and its leaking around the pan[16:41:40] <gordonjcp> sounds like it's dropped its oil[16:41:47] <gordonjcp> and run dry, at least partially[16:41:57] <helf|laptop> dip stick was showing OK fluid levels[16:42:04] <gordonjcp> odd[16:42:08] <gordonjcp> was the oil fairly clean?[16:44:28] <gordonjcp> if the box has overheated, the oil goes kind of brown and smells like burnt curry[16:44:50] * gordonjcp -> food[16:45:58] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[16:46:23] <helf|laptop> yeah, it was black :P[16:46:29] <helf|laptop> "oooo... i think i overheated it"[16:46:35] <helf|laptop> forgot about that[16:48:22] <gordonjcp> mmm[16:48:28] <gordonjcp> so it's basically not working as oil any more[16:48:38] <gordonjcp> when it's like that, it loses a lot of its properties[16:49:07] <helf|laptop> stop lubricating[16:49:08] <helf|laptop> *stops[16:49:18] <helf|laptop> annoying tho, because i just had it serviced[16:49:20] <helf|laptop> like a month ago[16:49:28] <helf|laptop> i dont even think its been a month[16:50:38] *** procton has quit IRC[16:51:39] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #haiku[16:53:13] <Teknomancer> :)[16:54:50] <helf|laptop> and why do my vehicles always break down RIGHT after i top my tanks off?[17:00:19] *** procton has joined #haiku[17:10:49] * JonathanThompson poits helf|laptop[17:11:09] <JonathanThompson> That's the circle of death, helf|laptop ![17:12:49] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[17:12:52] *** yoritomo has left #haiku[17:15:33] *** andguent has quit IRC[17:19:24] <helf|laptop> :P[17:20:28] <gordonjcp> lol[17:20:45] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[17:20:59] <gordonjcp> my gf has just come in from the garden to say that the kids we can hear playing in the woods on the other side of the canal are mostly shouting "The cake is a lie!"[17:21:25] <gordonjcp> then she went back to the garden, came back in and said "oh, and I just lost the game..."[17:22:22] <helf|laptop> lol[17:24:34] <Maya-sama> :P[17:26:36] *** sprma has joined #haiku[17:27:34] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[17:31:45] *** senryu has joined #Haiku[17:32:38] *** senryu has quit IRC[17:35:53] <helf|laptop> yay, fixed Sleep in OSX on my mini 9[17:35:54] *** procton has quit IRC[17:35:57] <helf|laptop> now its fully functional[17:39:30] <HeTo> helf|laptop: does it really pay off to run OS X on a non-mac?[17:40:06] <HeTo> because you can never know which updates you can install without them breaking the whole installation[17:40:22] <helf|laptop> true[17:40:25] <helf|laptop> but it runs really nicely[17:40:39] <helf|laptop> :)[17:41:24] <HeTo> and when an update comes to Mac OS X, can you usually find modified, non-breaking versions on torrent networks or wherever, or is it time for a reinstall if you want to, say, install 10.5.6 on a 10.5.5 system?[17:41:42] <helf|laptop> dunno[17:41:45] *** procton has joined #haiku[17:41:53] <helf|laptop> never ran osx on a non mac for long enough to find out[17:42:13] <helf|laptop> id probably just not install major updates like that until i got a "safe" version[17:42:39] *** koo5 has quit IRC[17:45:03] <HeTo> could you get it to install easily?[17:45:20] <helf|laptop> no idea :)[17:45:44] <HeTo> because when I tried to install OS X on one of my desktops, it took around five attempts through the installer to get an installation that could boot[17:45:46] <helf|laptop> heto : this is an experiment anyways[17:45:58] <helf|laptop> yeah, its a PITA unless you purpose build a machine for it[17:46:28] <helf|laptop> only reason we put it on the mini 9 is because the hardware is 100% supported[17:46:34] <helf|laptop> sleep, webcam, bt, wifi, everything[17:46:39] <HeTo> and even then it didn't recognise my NIC IIRC, although it was an Intel pro 100 which should be supported I think[17:53:09] *** mmu_laptop has quit IRC[17:54:17] <Carbamide> What versino are you running? 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spoiler + van = beyond rad[19:55:31] *** Hugen_ has quit IRC[19:55:49] <helf|laptop> dont laugh[19:55:53] <helf|laptop> ive been sorely tempted :D[19:56:00] <helf|laptop> like the A-Team one, lol[19:56:21] *** DrHouse_Compaq has joined #haiku[19:56:24] <helf|laptop> i can get the HO version of the engine with a 672 blower for ~$2800 :D[19:56:49] <pyCube> nice.. i keep being super tempted by a suby engine[19:56:59] <wtracy> somewhere online there's a photo of a van with an air intake on the front[19:57:01] <wtracy> it is awesome[19:57:47] <pyCube> the idea of a turbo'd subaru engine in my car makes me both cringe in blashpemic disgust, and drool at the same time[19:58:59] *** wtracy has quit IRC[19:59:42] <gordonjcp> I always think the subaru flat-four sounds really rough[20:00:34] <gordonjcp> pyCube: I've been kind-of tempted to look at fitting a Rotax 912 or 914 into a car[20:00:38] <pyCube> i like the way my old aircooled type iv engine sounds[20:00:40] <gordonjcp> cheap, powerful aircooled engine[20:01:06] <CIA-20> stippi * r30716 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/tracker/ (AutoMounter.cpp AutoMounter.h): (log message trimmed)[20:01:06] <CIA-20> * When inserting USB sticks, the read-only mount suggestion was completely[20:01:06] <CIA-20> bypassed, same for invoking "Mount All". Now, the "initial scan" parameter[20:01:06] <CIA-20> is used to decide if the user should be alarmed. Basically, it means you[20:01:08] <CIA-20> get to decide for every mounted volume if you want it rather read-only.[20:01:09] <gordonjcp> well, air-cooled barrels and liquid-cooled heads[20:01:10] <CIA-20> In the old code:[20:01:47] *** fcr has quit IRC[20:01:50] <pyCube> heh[20:02:04] <gordonjcp> pyCube: I got offered a Rotax 914 that had suffered a prop strike and killed the gearbox[20:02:04] *** fcr has joined #haiku[20:02:19] <gordonjcp> although the engine is okay, it's not fit to fly without a serious rebuild[20:02:28] <gordonjcp> "just in case"[20:02:35] <pyCube> so instead of taking a vw engine and repurposing for aircraft, take an aircraft engine and repurpose for a vw..[20:02:45] <gordonjcp> well this was actually going into a Citroen GSA[20:02:48] <gordonjcp> but yeah, basically[20:02:52] *** databridge has quit IRC[20:03:09] *** expensivelesbian has joined #haiku[20:03:15] *** expensivelesbian has left #haiku[20:03:18] <gordonjcp> you'd have a 130mph, 0-60 in 9 seconds GSA ;-)[20:03:24] <helf|laptop> :P[20:03:32] *** _-Caleb-_ has joined #haiku[20:03:40] <helf|laptop> my rx-7 did 0-60 in about 9 seconds[20:03:43] <gordonjcp> which would wipe the smiles off the faces of owners of expensive German machines[20:03:45] <helf|laptop> maybe a little less.[20:03:58] <helf|laptop> gordonjcp, my goal is to have my van running 11s[20:04:01] <helf|laptop> ;P[20:04:15] <helf|laptop> be HILARIOUS to smoke mustangs and the like locally in my beatup looking astro[20:04:50] <gordonjcp> that's the way to do it ;-)[20:05:29] <gordonjcp> helf|laptop: my sister was looking for bits for her car on eBay, and found a 1987 Vauxhall Nova that looked utterly stock apart from the nice alloys off a later high-spec car, and maybe a slightly fatter exhaust - just a little[20:05:40] <gordonjcp> pop the bonnet and oh deary me, what's this?[20:05:52] <gordonjcp> a 2.0 GSi 16-valve engine looking back at us[20:05:59] <helf|laptop> nice![20:06:01] <helf|laptop> i love that[20:06:14] <helf|laptop> i love stock looking cars with kiler innards[20:06:29] <helf|laptop> *killer[20:06:30] <pyCube> similar here..if there are curves of any sort in the road, i can already outrun 'stangs with my measley 100hp.. but i'd be nice to know that i could give those hunks of plastic crap a run for their money on teh straights[20:06:42] <gordonjcp> pyCube: yeah[20:06:58] *** HaiColon has joined #haiku[20:07:13] <gordonjcp> pyCube: my 2.2 litre CX develops about 110bhp, but sticks to the road like a very sticky thing[20:07:31] <pyCube> hehe[20:07:33] <helf|laptop> before my transmission started going out and the engine started losing compression (i really need to replace my engine soon, too) i could out accelerate quite a few cars[20:07:37] <gordonjcp> and also, develops most of that 110bhp at about 3500rpm, which coincides with about 70mph[20:07:54] * helf|laptop misses his triumph spitfire 1500[20:08:01] <helf|laptop> ~95hp[20:08:01] <gordonjcp> it's almost like a diesel, like that[20:08:04] <helf|laptop> was a blast[20:08:14] <helf|laptop> yeah, thats really low rpms for max hp[20:08:30] * aurynn blinks[20:08:34] <gordonjcp> so you can sling what is really a big heavy slightly underpowered car around the twisties all day, and its "oh, a really sharp 90 degree bend, better cog down to 4th for that"[20:08:35] <aurynn> I just read that as hitpoints[20:08:56] <helf|laptop> heh[20:08:58] <helf|laptop> DORK[20:08:59] <helf|laptop> ^_^[20:09:02] <gordonjcp> aurynn: oh dear[20:09:14] <CIA-20> bonefish * r30717 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/app/Roster.cpp: When sending a B_ARGV_RECEIVED message also add a "cwd" field.[20:09:18] <helf|laptop> yeah, i occasionally do as well[20:09:32] <gordonjcp> it's also got really soft suspension, so once you get used to the roll you realise it's never going to pick up a wheel or slide[20:09:49] <helf|laptop> ugh, soft suspensions[20:09:50] <helf|laptop> evil[20:09:53] <helf|laptop> :)[20:09:57] *** expensivelesbian has joined #haiku[20:10:02] <helf|laptop> i feel like im going to fall over[20:10:03] <gordonjcp> helf|laptop: you probably haven't driven on the roads up gere[20:10:08] <gordonjcp> *he[20:10:11] <helf|laptop> bumpy?[20:10:11] <gordonjcp> aw ffs[20:10:14] <helf|laptop> heh[20:10:15] <gordonjcp> just a tad[20:10:18] <gordonjcp> and twisty[20:10:19] <gordonjcp> expensivelesbian: hi[20:10:22] <helf|laptop> ah :)[20:10:24] <gordonjcp> expensivelesbian: I fixed your warnings[20:10:28] <helf|laptop> maybe it'd be nice then[20:10:29] <gordonjcp> helf|laptop: NW Scotland[20:10:42] <pyCube> sounds absolutely wonderful[20:10:52] <helf|laptop> ah, cool[20:10:58] <gordonjcp> yeah, it's great, people in sporty cars are getting thrown all over the road, and also they can't get any grip because their suspension is too stiff[20:11:02] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[20:11:10] <helf|laptop> my vans suspension has gotten softer. my shocks need replacing. used to be extremely stiff[20:11:19] <gordonjcp> helf|laptop: yeah[20:11:34] <helf|laptop> roads around here arent overly bumpy[20:11:40] <helf|laptop> so stiffer does = better[20:11:40] <helf|laptop> :)[20:11:51] <gordonjcp> I see that as a big failing of conventional suspension - it gets softer and more comfortable, until you hit a bump on a sweeping right-hander and the outside wheel starts to hop[20:11:53] <helf|laptop> well, fine line between too stiff and just right[20:11:54] <pyCube> its illegal to have a properly maintained road here in california[20:11:57] <expensivelesbian> gordonjcp cool[20:12:00] <pyCube> ..seems that way anyhow[20:12:13] <helf|laptop> its illegal for california to have money[20:12:14] <pyCube> arizona was NICE.. roads were all super smooth[20:12:19] <gordonjcp> expensivelesbian: http://www.gjcp.net/blog/2009/may/10/making-bootable-haiku-partition/[20:12:42] <helf|laptop> I don't know how people can stand those cars where the shocks are all but gone[20:12:48] <gordonjcp> helf|laptop: on the CX or indeed any car with hydraulic suspension, as the spheres lose gas the ride gets harder and harder[20:12:56] <helf|laptop> i see tons of cars here with bad suspensions and they wont fix them[20:13:03] <gordonjcp> helf|laptop: until it's just so damn unpleasant to drive, you've *got* to change them[20:13:07] <helf|laptop> heh[20:13:12] <helf|laptop> kinda nice, actually[20:13:23] <helf|laptop> force you to maintain your car :)[20:13:34] * JonathanThompson poits helf|laptop[20:14:12] <gordonjcp> the sad thing is a lot of particularly Xantias are in the scrapyards because people have been quoted silly money (>£1000) for replacing the spheres, when it's about £150 in bits and an afternoon with a big hammer and a really big oil filter wrench[20:14:35] <helf|laptop> sad :([20:14:40] <gordonjcp> £200 if you've got one with "complicated" suspension like Activa or Hydractive[20:14:50] <gordonjcp> more spheres to buy[20:14:53] <gordonjcp> more fluid to buy[20:15:13] <helf|laptop> i may buy another spitfire[20:15:16] <helf|laptop> i really like them[20:15:25] <helf|laptop> the one i had just had too many issues for me to bother trying to fix[20:15:27] <gordonjcp> the hydractive stuff is nice, switches an extra sphere in to make the ride softer when you're going straight, switches it out to stiffen the ride in corners[20:15:36] <helf|laptop> oh nice[20:15:55] <gordonjcp> and the Activa stuff is just nuts, it uses rams mounted in place of the anti-roll bar droplink[20:15:56] <helf|laptop> have you seen that electromagnetic suspension Boss has developed ?[20:15:59] <gordonjcp> yeah[20:16:08] <helf|laptop> looks sweet :)[20:16:08] <gordonjcp> that looks phenomenal[20:16:20] * JonathanThompson bets it eats credit cards for lunch[20:16:23] <helf|laptop> i want to get my hands on it and retrofit my van :D[20:16:28] <gordonjcp> helf|laptop: the activa stuff basically rolls the car level, no matter how hard you corner[20:16:34] <helf|laptop> oh nice[20:16:38] <gordonjcp> you can't put aftermarket alloys on, because they just breake[20:16:41] *** databridge_ has quit IRC[20:16:59] *** luroh has joined #haiku[20:17:01] <gordonjcp> you can only run them on stock wheels, they're the only ones that take the lateral forces[20:17:35] <helf|laptop> nice :)[20:17:59] <gordonjcp> afaik there are only a handful of production cars that can beat them pulling 0.94g laterally[20:18:08] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[20:18:14] <gordonjcp> the Ferrari F40 being one of them, the Acura NSX being close at 0.93[20:18:14] * pfoetchen wants a Citroen CX2 but first he finaly needs a driving license ;)[20:18:51] <helf|laptop> dont a couple of the super cars break 1g of lateral ?[20:18:55] <gordonjcp> yes[20:18:58] <gordonjcp> that's about it[20:19:06] <gordonjcp> you're playing in supercar territory, basically[20:19:20] <helf|laptop> :)[20:19:25] <gordonjcp> I've driven one on the same roads as a Nissan 350Z[20:19:29] <helf|laptop> i want to drive the veyron just once[20:19:34] <gordonjcp> and the Xantia is slower than the Z, a *lot* slower[20:19:43] <gordonjcp> but it still pisses all over it[20:19:46] <helf|laptop> heh[20:19:56] <helf|laptop> the 350z isnt that wonderful[20:19:58] <gordonjcp> yeah, wonder if you can hire a veyron for an afternoon[20:22:04] <gordonjcp> you know what would rock? A lap of the 'ring, in a Veyron, piloted by Sabine Schmitz[20:22:05] <helf|laptop> gordonjcp, do you have ricers in scotland? "Fast and the Furious" style cars[20:22:10] <gordonjcp> helf|laptop: oh yeah[20:22:19] <gordonjcp> some are pretty good, some are incredibly lame[20:22:35] <helf|laptop> we have a few that are really wel done if you like that kind of crap :P[20:22:40] <helf|laptop> but most are a joke.[20:22:54] <helf|laptop> 'lets bolt on crappy body kits and huge wings to slow cars"[20:23:04] <gordonjcp> yeah[20:23:07] <gordonjcp> and huge pipes[20:23:19] <helf|laptop> 6" resonators[20:23:25] <helf|laptop> sound like lawn mowers[20:23:26] <gordonjcp> let's see, are you running another cam with that huge pipe and open silencer?[20:23:29] <gordonjcp> no?[20:23:30] <gordonjcp> well then[20:23:40] <gordonjcp> do you know about valve lap, and drawdown?[20:23:41] <gordonjcp> no?[20:23:51] <gordonjcp> well you've just knocked 30bhp off, congratulations[20:23:54] <helf|laptop> yeah[20:23:57] <helf|laptop> its hilarious[20:24:14] <helf|laptop> larger pipes do NOT always help[20:24:17] <helf|laptop> fine line[20:24:58] <gordonjcp> they *can* but only if the intake is sized to match and the valve timing is adjusted to match[20:25:09] <gordonjcp> you know why you have some overlap, right?[20:25:23] <helf|laptop> possibly, tell me why tho :)[20:25:28] <gordonjcp> okay[20:25:51] <gordonjcp> you've got a twin-cylinder engine, with the two exhaust pipes siamesed a certain distance from the head[20:26:25] <gordonjcp> POFF! a slug of hot exhaust gas comes out, down one pipe, past the join and into the exhaust proper, causing a wave of low pressure behind it[20:26:32] <gordonjcp> it's like a subway train in a tunnel[20:27:19] <gordonjcp> at the right moment, the exhaust valve on the other pot is just closing and the inlet is just opening, but while they're both open this sudden pressure drop sucks a bit more fuel and air into the barrel[20:27:50] <gordonjcp> but it only happens at a fairly narrow range of speeds because the pipe has to be resonant[20:28:09] <helf|laptop> aaah, ok[20:28:21] <gordonjcp> there's more to it than that, but that's a good start[20:28:45] <CIA-20> zooey * r30718 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/keymap/ (Keymap.cpp Keymap.h KeymapWindow.cpp KeymapWindow.h): (log message trimmed)[20:28:45] <CIA-20> * Added support for selecting the dead key trigger characters from a menubar,[20:28:45] <CIA-20> offering two choices for acute and diaeresis as well as allowing to switch[20:28:45] <CIA-20> off each dead key completely.[20:28:45] <CIA-20> * moved the textview on a line of its own such that the dead key menu and[20:28:46] <gordonjcp> anyway, if you have a high-performance rally car with a loud pipe, it probably has a very different cam profile to one used for the road[20:28:48] <helf|laptop> i really need to get more in-depth on a lot of this[20:28:48] <CIA-20> the modifier-switching button live together on one line[20:28:51] <CIA-20> * added enum dead_key_index and used it at a couple of places instead of[20:29:01] <gordonjcp> helf|laptop: also, you wouldn't want that rally cam in your road car[20:29:29] <gordonjcp> because again valve timing is important, and most cars have a fairly mild cam so they are tractable over a wide range of throttle settings and engine speeds[20:29:37] <CIA-20> stippi * r30719 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/tracker/ (AutoMounter.cpp AutoMounter.h):[20:29:37] <CIA-20> Fixed a number of remaining problems with the AutoMounter:[20:29:38] <CIA-20> * During boot, the mount mode was ignored for any removable volumes, they[20:29:38] <CIA-20> simply got mounted always.[20:29:38] <CIA-20> * When automounting later, all partitions on all removable devices would[20:29:38] <CIA-20> be mounted, not only the ones on the newly inserted device.[20:29:51] <gordonjcp> a lumpy cam will give you more power, but only at high revs[20:30:19] <gordonjcp> helf|laptop: I had a Citroen AX GT and a Citroen BX, both with a 1.4 carby engine[20:30:49] <gordonjcp> the AX being little and light and sporty, it had a bigger carb and a lumpier cam, and you noticed this because it needed a lot of work to keep it going around town[20:30:56] <helf|laptop> i need to go spend a year in a automotive school :)[20:30:57] <gordonjcp> up and down the gears all the time[20:31:13] <gordonjcp> the BX had a smaller carb and a milder cam, same power output but at lower revs[20:31:28] <helf|laptop> sounds like my rx-7 ... or it could havej ust been out of tune. rotaries a different beast[20:31:31] <gordonjcp> much more tractable around town, but a *lot* slower even considering it's a bigger heavier car[20:31:53] <gordonjcp> the BX was really smooth accelerating, just a bit slow to do it[20:32:04] <gordonjcp> the AX was a bit dead below 3000rpm and then it went off like a bomb[20:32:33] <gordonjcp> not much, 2000rpm not much, 2500rpm not much, 3000rpm waking up 3500rpm going going 7500rpm[20:32:50] <helf|laptop> my rx-7 was awful off the line[20:32:55] <gordonjcp> and then you're ready for the next gear, and you start at 3500 again, and you're ready to scrap your face off the back window again[20:32:59] <CIA-20> stippi * r30720 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/tracker/AutoMounter.cpp:[20:32:59] <CIA-20> Make the partition ID check more flexible, if partitions just pop up out of[20:32:59] <CIA-20> nowhere, we still want to be able to automount them, even though the[20:32:59] <CIA-20> notification is not for a device.[20:33:00] <surrounder> :)[20:33:05] <surrounder> gordonjcp: where are you from if I may ask ?[20:33:08] <helf|laptop> heh[20:33:13] <gordonjcp> surrounder: Scotland[20:33:19] <surrounder> ah[20:33:22] <gordonjcp> why?[20:33:51] <surrounder> well, I thought you were from the US and I can't imagine citroens there :P[20:33:59] <helf|laptop> very few[20:34:00] <helf|laptop> :)[20:34:10] <gordonjcp> surrounder: no, there aren't many[20:34:12] <helf|laptop> ive wanted a certain model citroen, but hard to find and expensive when you do[20:34:18] <gordonjcp> mostly 2CVs and Dyanes[20:34:21] <gordonjcp> helf|laptop: which one?[20:34:25] *** yoritomo has joined #haiku[20:34:34] <gordonjcp> there are quite a lot of DSes, and about 20 or so CXes[20:35:12] *** Barrett|Haiku has quit IRC[20:35:15] *** mmu_laptop has joined #haiku[20:35:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_laptop[20:35:27] <surrounder> friend of mine had an AX, lovely kart :D[20:35:43] <surrounder> not nice when we came back from berlin with 3 people and a crapload of baggage though[20:35:55] <surrounder> wasn't really comfortable in the back :D[20:36:06] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[20:36:24] <gordonjcp> surrounder: heh[20:36:36] <gordonjcp> surrounder: yeah, they're not exactly spacious[20:36:47] <surrounder> indeed. :)[20:36:54] <surrounder> my legs were bent for 6 hours[20:36:57] <gordonjcp> I *did* fit a double mattress in the back once, bringing it back from Ikea[20:36:59] * helf|laptop wants a citroen cx[20:37:08] <surrounder> gordonjcp: haha[20:37:13] <gordonjcp> helf|laptop: shouldn't be hard, unless you're in California[20:37:28] <helf|laptop> in alabama, but the decent ones ive seen go for ~$12k ...[20:37:31] <helf|laptop> out of my price range[20:37:33] <gordonjcp> surrounder: I had to drive with the seat pushed fully forwards, and couldn't get out until my mate had got out and unloaded it[20:37:42] <gordonjcp> helf|laptop: that's not unreasonable for a CX over there[20:37:47] <gordonjcp> helf|laptop: you could look at importing one[20:37:48] <helf|laptop> i know :/[20:37:54] <surrounder> gordonjcp: I moved my 2 person highbed in a fiat cinquecento, it was so cool :P[20:38:00] <helf|laptop> wonder how much that would cost[20:38:02] <gordonjcp> helf|laptop: there's a chap called Prakash Raja you could ask[20:38:02] <surrounder> gordonjcp: haha[20:38:08] <gordonjcp> surrounder: heh[20:38:26] <gordonjcp> helf|laptop: can't remember if it was a CX or an XM he brought over[20:38:35] <surrounder> XM is quite big[20:38:47] <gordonjcp> helf|laptop: hell, I could *give* you a RHD very very early CX20 if you could ship it[20:39:01] <gordonjcp> lot of work involved[20:39:12] <helf|laptop> what shape is it in? :)[20:39:24] <surrounder> it's a triangle[20:39:26] <surrounder> hence the work[20:39:27] *** M199 is now known as Master199[20:39:28] <gordonjcp> it's basically solid, but it will need the bottoms of the doors welded[20:39:28] <surrounder> *cough*[20:39:29] <helf|laptop> heh[20:39:36] <helf|laptop> hmmm[20:39:44] <gordonjcp> it has a few small low-pressure leaks at the back, and the exhaust is shagged[20:40:03] <gordonjcp> tbh it's probably not a good "first CX", but it must be one of the very earliest[20:40:32] <gordonjcp> you probably want a series 2 25TRI, that's 2.5 litre carby[20:40:39] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[20:40:43] <gordonjcp> most powerful without getting into the slightly fiddly EFI stuff[20:40:57] <gordonjcp> helf|laptop: or a 25DTR/TRD - the turbo diesels were the best[20:41:07] *** HaiColon has quit IRC[20:41:10] <helf|laptop> yeah, i love diesels[20:41:20] <helf|laptop> i cant do anything until i get my van going again, unfortunately[20:41:35] <gordonjcp> granted the PTC-group 2.5 diesel was a bit rough[20:41:55] <gordonjcp> I mean it's certainly pretty noisy and clattery, even for a diesel[20:42:19] <gordonjcp> it's definitely not as smooth as, say, my 1972 Massey-Ferguson 135[20:42:43] <gordonjcp> but it's okay once you're at cruising speed, somewhere around 120mph[20:42:58] <helf|laptop> good lord[20:43:00] <helf|laptop> 120?[20:43:06] <gordonjcp> yeah[20:43:10] <gordonjcp> it'll sit there all day[20:43:13] <helf|laptop> nice[20:43:14] <helf|laptop> :)[20:43:27] <helf|laptop> ive had my van up to 115, but its as aerodynamic as a brick[20:43:35] <gordonjcp> I keep my 22TRS below 100 these days because on unleaded petrol it overheats[20:43:41] <pyCube> if i manage the $, this is kinda where I'd like to go with my engine.. http://www.aircooledtechnology.com/type4/914/2270_daily_torquer.htm[20:43:57] <gordonjcp> it really wants 98 octane, but all you can get round here is 95[20:44:21] <helf|laptop> my van will run on any dirty water you put in it[20:44:22] <helf|laptop> :)[20:44:33] <helf|laptop> lower efficiency, but rrely have to worry about fuel quality[20:44:35] <gordonjcp> pyCube: jeez, that's from what, a type 5?[20:44:44] <pyCube> iv[20:45:03] <surrounder> helf|laptop: hehe what kind of van you drive ?[20:45:07] <gordonjcp> helf|laptop: I'm considering changing the mechanical dizzy to mapped ignition, and possibly adding water injection[20:45:17] <helf|laptop> 1991 chevy astro with a 4.3ltr v6[20:45:28] * surrounder googled[20:45:32] <helf|laptop> on your diesel?[20:45:33] <surrounder> *googles[20:45:36] *** hugen_ has joined #haiku[20:45:49] <gordonjcp> helf|laptop: no, this is on the 2.2 petrol[20:46:09] <helf|laptop> does water injection work in a gasoline engine like on a diesel?[20:46:14] <surrounder> helf|laptop: hehe damn, it's huge :)[20:46:21] <gordonjcp> helf|laptop: basically get a Ford EDIS coil pack and module, and then a homebrew timing unit[20:46:22] <helf|laptop> surrounder, actually, its rather small for a van[20:46:30] <gordonjcp> helf|laptop: yeah basically it's just the same idea[20:46:35] <helf|laptop> ah, cool[20:46:36] <pyCube> gordonjcp, that place does wnderful thigns to old aircooled vw/porsche engines[20:46:51] <helf|laptop> surrounder, its shorter than a lot of cars :P[20:46:57] <CIA-20> zooey * r30721 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/keymap/Keymap.cpp: * fixed data corruption and later crash when an error occurs in Save()[20:47:02] <surrounder> hehehe[20:47:04] <gordonjcp> helf|laptop: spray water into the inlet tract, and cool the incoming charge, then flash into steam at combustion and increase the effective octane number[20:47:08] <surrounder> yeah american cars are just gigantic[20:47:10] <gordonjcp> pyCube: that looks nuts[20:47:25] <pyCube> gordonjcp, thatrs not even the crazy option.. heh[20:47:45] <surrounder> helf|laptop: http://www.chevy4sale.com/91van.jpg - something like that ?[20:48:01] <gordonjcp> shit, it's the A Team van![20:48:06] <surrounder> haha[20:48:49] <gordonjcp> I want one of these -> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Citroen_cx_loadrunner-bj_90.jpg[20:48:53] * surrounder imagines helf|laptop driving that with blinded mirrors and a huge cigar[20:49:16] <surrounder> gordonjcp: hehe[20:50:07] *** kirilla has quit IRC[20:50:13] <surrounder> gordonjcp: seen the top gear episode where they had to build their own limosines? if so...the panda rocked :P[20:50:23] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[20:50:27] <gordonjcp> I have one of these -> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Citroen_CX_front_20071012.jpg[20:50:38] <gordonjcp> and one of these -> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/Citroen_CX_2500_GTI_Familiale_1990.jpg/800px-Citroen_CX_2500_GTI_Familiale_1990.jpg except mine is white[20:50:58] <gordonjcp> oh, and it's got the stainless bumpers 'cos it's series 1[20:51:05] <surrounder> hehe[20:51:06] <gordonjcp> surrounder: I have, the panda was just nuts[20:51:16] <surrounder> it was amazing :D[20:51:32] <surrounder> clarkson++ anyhows :P[20:51:56] <helf|laptop> http://helf.freeshell.org/My_van-Picture888_30Jul07.jpg[20:52:04] <helf|laptop> i wuv it[20:52:15] <surrounder> hehe imaginable[20:52:18] <helf|laptop> i got 21mpg with all the windows open, doing 75mph for 700 miles[20:52:22] <helf|laptop> really good for its size[20:52:27] <gordonjcp> that's not bad at all[20:52:40] <gordonjcp> I'd struggle to get that from the CX Break[20:52:41] <surrounder> silly english/americans with your miles[20:52:45] <pyCube> haha[20:52:50] <gordonjcp> oh, smaller miles of course[20:52:51] <gordonjcp> even so[20:52:52] <helf|laptop> standard rocks[20:52:55] <helf|laptop> :P[20:53:18] <pyCube> surrounder, i liked when they had to buy piece-o-shit old italian super cars[20:53:21] <kirilla> just add zero:e[20:53:23] <kirilla> s[20:53:24] <helf|laptop> bbiab[20:53:42] *** DrHouse_Compaq has quit IRC[20:53:43] <kirilla> metric - just add zero:es :)[20:53:45] *** oco has joined #haiku[20:53:46] *** [JT] has quit IRC[20:53:51] <pyCube> i know, i know.. piece-o-shit and italian car.. redundant.. but still[20:53:51] <mmadia> pfoetchen ?[20:53:57] <surrounder> hahaha[20:54:09] <surrounder> italian cars ARE beautiful though[20:54:09] <pfoetchen> mmadia: yes?[20:54:19] <surrounder> even when they rust underneath your chair[20:54:19] <pyCube> ...i s'pose[20:54:35] <mmadia> umccullough 's asking for you[20:54:40] <pyCube> they made some nice looking cars in teh 60's[20:55:02] *** umccullough_w has joined #haiku[20:55:18] <surrounder> pyCube: like the episodes where clarkson preaches you should get a house in a really crappy area of britain where everything's fucked up just to drive an alfa 166 :P[20:55:53] <surrounder> *episode[20:56:04] *** lorenzo64 has joined #haiku[20:56:11] <pyCube> surrounder, i just like the show in general.. my wife and I recently discovered it, and have been working our way though all the series[20:56:27] <surrounder> pyCube: haha great :)[20:56:46] <surrounder> not even that much about the cars but those 3 guys just make me laugh out loud often :)[20:56:53] <pyCube> totally[20:57:05] <pyCube> my wife isnt exactly a car nut, and she loves the show[20:57:05] <surrounder> british humor++ anyhows in general[20:57:09] <surrounder> uhuh :)[20:57:15] <surrounder> it's just a load of fun[20:57:26] <pyCube> although, car geekery is kind of rubbing off on her lately[20:57:38] <surrounder> haha,did you infect her? :P[20:59:15] <pyCube> heh.. didnt mean too[21:00:54] *** umccullough_w has left #haiku[21:02:06] <pyCube> one thing about that show.. its made me SOOO want a closed track to go drive on..[21:02:19] <gordonjcp> heh[21:02:36] *** tqh has joined #haiku[21:02:41] <gordonjcp> well I'm getting membership of the Scottish Sporting Car Club, so I can go along to track days ;-)[21:03:25] <gordonjcp> admittedly I may need to wait until it's quiet for my shot in the "run what ya brung" section[21:03:32] *** fcr has quit IRC[21:04:25] <gordonjcp> taking the CX on the track with all the wee Mazdas and Toyotas and stuff would be like showing up at a microlight fly-in with a Wellington bomber ;-)[21:04:35] <pyCube> hehe[21:05:14] <gordonjcp> "oh dear, I seem to have been struck from behind by a very fast small thing. Bugger, now it's stuck under my bumper. I'm going to have to stop and prise it out now."[21:05:49] <pyCube> i live just a couple miles from Infineon Raceway (used to be sears point), but can never figure out if they have any sort of race day things liek that[21:06:08] <gordonjcp> best to ask[21:06:11] <pyCube> probably[21:06:16] <gordonjcp> sometimes you'll need a club membership[21:06:26] <pyCube> web sites are more often than not completely uninformative/impossible to navigate[21:06:35] <gordonjcp> yes, that pisses me off[21:06:45] <gordonjcp> I wanted to find out what was on at the cinema tomorrow night[21:06:54] <gordonjcp> there's a great wee cinema called the Grosvenor[21:07:04] <pyCube> its like, "gee, awesome animated controls and logos.. but WTF do you offer in teh way of services?"[21:07:29] <gordonjcp> they do a few promotional deals, they have big comfy seats, they're not much more expensive than the big chain cinemas and they have bottled real ales on sale[21:07:32] <gordonjcp> *perfect*[21:07:37] <gordonjcp> but their site sucks balls[21:07:37] *** Svarthandske has quit IRC[21:07:41] <pyCube> hehe[21:07:42] *** fcr has joined #haiku[21:07:47] <gordonjcp> I still don't know what I'm going to see tomorrow[21:08:10] <gordonjcp> think I'll just turn up, have a beer, and see what's on[21:10:22] *** DrHouse_Compaq has joined #haiku[21:12:05] <pyCube> funny looking out over the parking lot here at work.. 2 classy old orange cars (my 914 and some other guys bmw 2002) surrounded by a sea of fancy schmancy new cars[21:12:30] <CIA-20> axeld * r30722 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/copyattr.cpp: * Cleanup.[21:14:02] <gordonjcp> heh[21:14:17] * gordonjcp builds a new image[21:15:14] <gordonjcp> i need to figure out how to build sqlite support for python[21:16:29] <pyCube> assuming youve got sqlite and python all proper, it should be pretty straightforward[21:23:09] *** DrHouse_Compaq has quit IRC[21:26:19] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[21:27:55] <gordonjcp> hmm, there is a sqlite package[21:27:59] <gordonjcp> should have looked first[21:29:31] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[21:29:44] *** Gaap has quit IRC[21:31:26] *** Negr0 has joined #haiku[21:34:03] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[21:35:32] *** _-Caleb-_ has quit IRC[21:35:34] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[21:38:18] *** mmadia has quit IRC[21:38:27] *** fcr has quit IRC[21:38:41] <CIA-20> zooey * r30723 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/keymap/KeymapWindow.cpp: (log message trimmed)[21:38:41] <CIA-20> * Removed the 'Use' button from the keymap preflet, since several people have[21:38:41] <CIA-20> mentioned that they tend to forget pressing it (including me, of course), in[21:38:42] <CIA-20> effect losing all changes.[21:38:42] <CIA-20> The way the code currently works, having it didn't really make sense IMO,[21:38:43] <CIA-20> as any change will only ever be applied to the "current" keymap. If you want[21:38:47] <CIA-20> to keep your keymap more persistently, you need to save it into a named file,[21:40:22] <helf|laptop> back[21:40:50] <gordonjcp> okay[21:41:02] <gordonjcp> I've built an image with python and sqlite3 packages from haiku-files[21:41:07] <gordonjcp> what else do I need?[21:41:13] *** DrHouse_Compaq has joined #haiku[21:42:34] *** adamk has joined #haiku[21:48:12] <kirilla> anybody know if its safe to jam for different Haiku archs in parallel? (e.g. gcc2 and gcc4, or x86 and ppc)[21:48:38] <kirilla> in separate shells, with different generated folders, of course[21:49:36] <tqh> as long as they don't have any cross lib stuff it should be ok[21:49:57] *** hugen_ has quit IRC[21:50:16] <CIA-20> zooey * r30724 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/keymap/KeymapWindow.h: * should have been part of r30723[21:51:06] <kirilla> thanks tqh. Do you run any concurrent jams?[21:52:01] <gordonjcp> using python and sqlite from haiku-files, I get "no module named _sqlite3" when I try to import sqlite3[21:52:04] <tqh> no, but they keep in their generated folders so unless something is messed up it should work[21:54:37] <gordonjcp> okay, that's because the sqlite3 package is broken[21:54:51] <gordonjcp> or at least, missing the all-important shared library[21:57:35] *** stpere_ is now known as stpere[21:57:40] *** wackymacs has left #haiku[21:59:02] <CIA-20> kirilla * r30725 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/stylededit/StyledEditApp.cpp: Clean up: shortening comment, adding if/else braces. Thanks Axel\![22:01:24] <CIA-20> axeld * r30726 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/device_manager/ (5 files):[22:01:24] <CIA-20> * Instead of deleting the device directly, we now only remove it from its[22:01:24] <CIA-20> parent.[22:01:24] <CIA-20> * Additionally, when a vnode is deleted, the new BaseDevice::Removed() method is[22:01:24] <CIA-20> called that will remove the device from its parent if needed, and delete it[22:01:24] <CIA-20> then.[22:01:27] <CIA-20> * This should fix #3856.[22:03:13] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[22:06:53] *** Hugen_ has joined #haiku[22:06:57] <Hugen_> re[22:11:28] <gordonjcp> ls[22:11:30] <gordonjcp> oops[22:11:37] *** koo5 has quit IRC[22:11:49] <stpere> hehe gordonjcp[22:11:54] *** miqlas has quit IRC[22:12:02] <stpere> now, you would freak out if I list your files, wouldn't you?[22:12:13] <stpere> :)[22:12:21] *** koo5 has joined #haiku[22:12:35] *** koo5 has quit IRC[22:12:36] <gordonjcp> stpere: especially since I meant to type "DIR DU0:"[22:12:45] <stpere> :)[22:13:10] *** koo5 has joined #haiku[22:13:22] * Rakhun tries[22:13:22] <Rakhun> ls /[22:14:17] *** wtracy has joined #haiku[22:15:14] <VinDuv> ls: /: No such file or directory[22:15:24] <VinDuv> :p[22:15:28] <stpere> nooooeess :)[22:15:33] <HeTo> COPYRIGHT bin boot cdrom compat dev etc home lib libexec media mnt proc rescue root sbin sys tmp usr var[22:16:26] <Rakhun> HeTo is definitely closest so far, but some entries missing and a few that aren't there :)[22:17:09] <HeTo> what you aren't running FreeBSD? :-P[22:17:19] <HeTo> although I wonder if entropy is supposed to be under /[22:17:57] <Rakhun> :) nope, although / is pretty similar for all *NIX like systems[22:18:26] <Rakhun> bin boot dev etc git git.bak home lib lib64 lost+found media misc mnt net opt proc root sbin selinux srv sys tmp usr var[22:21:34] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[22:26:24] *** ghane has quit IRC[22:26:37] *** mmadia has quit IRC[22:29:18] <gordonjcp> right[22:29:24] <gordonjcp> I need to build python for haiku[22:29:49] *** lorenzo64 has quit IRC[22:32:27] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[22:33:58] *** DrHouse_Compaq has quit IRC[22:41:41] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[22:50:36] *** ulterior_modem has quit IRC[22:53:16] <CIA-20> bonefish * r30727 /haiku/trunk/headers/os/BeBuild.h:[22:53:16] <CIA-20> * Removed the non-GCC macro definitions.[22:53:16] <CIA-20> * Added missing macro B_HAIKU_VERSION. Also added a version macro for alpha 1[22:53:16] <CIA-20> * Added new macro B_HAIKU_ABI indicating which ABI is used (gcc 2/4).[22:54:27] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[22:54:36] *** wtracy has quit IRC[22:58:53] <CIA-20> bonefish * r30728 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Added variables to the glue code that identify the Haiku version and ABI.[22:59:36] *** wtracy has joined #haiku[23:00:19] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[23:01:49] *** luroh has quit IRC[23:02:15] *** sugar3 has joined #haiku[23:05:16] <Hugen_> cze Sugar3[23:05:56] <sugar3> Witam Hugen_[23:06:24] <CIA-20> bonefish * r30729 /haiku/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs):[23:06:24] <CIA-20> Extended image_info by fields for the Haiku version and ABI. The runtime loader[23:06:24] <CIA-20> and the kernel read those values from the shared object (if available). In the[23:06:24] <CIA-20> runtime loader this should eventually replace the gcc version guessing method[23:06:24] <CIA-20> currently used (at least for shared objects built for Haiku). The optional[23:06:26] <CIA-20> packages need to be rebuilt first, though.[23:06:52] <Hugen_> jak chcesz pogadać to wpadnij na nasz kanał, bo tu polsku nie ma co pisać[23:07:00] <Hugen_> sorry guys[23:08:55] *** procton_ has quit IRC[23:11:02] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[23:13:03] *** ulterior_modem has joined #Haiku[23:14:49] <CIA-20> axeld * r30730 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/registrar/ShutdownProcess.cpp:[23:14:49] <CIA-20> * Added the option to the shutdown confirmation dialog to perform the "other"[23:14:49] <CIA-20> shutdown, ie. either reboot or shutdown.[23:16:26] <CIA-20> axeld * r30731 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/deskbar/ (BarApp.cpp BeMenu.cpp):[23:16:26] <CIA-20> * When activating the "Shutdown" menu (instead of one of its items), we now[23:16:26] <CIA-20> get the old shutdown dialog back, but with the additional option to reboot[23:16:27] <CIA-20> instead.[23:16:34] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[23:21:08] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:21:20] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[23:21:32] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[23:22:15] *** Gaap has joined #haiku[23:26:39] <gordonjcp> grr[23:30:30] *** wtracy has quit IRC[23:30:42] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #haiku[23:31:30] <gordonjcp> right[23:32:03] <gordonjcp> I've compiled python 2.5.4 going by the instructions on the haiku-files website, but it says that it can't open libpython2.5.so[23:32:16] <gordonjcp> it seems that it's not got that on the library path[23:32:22] <gordonjcp> where would be a good place to put it?[23:33:11] <gordonjcp> okay, /boot/system/lib seems to work[23:35:07] <gordonjcp> make install fails, because it's looking for /usr/include/netinet/in.h[23:37:04] *** Hugen_ is now known as Hugen[23:46:12] <gordonjcp> libffi needs its config.sub and config.guess tweaked[23:49:56] <kirilla> bbl, haiku testing reboot[23:50:14] *** kirilla has quit IRC[23:53:52] <gordonjcp> while I'm here, any recommendations for an editor in Haiku?[23:54:20] <gordonjcp> basically it needs to have line numbers down the sides and tabbed multiple windows[23:57:22] *** paul0 has quit IRC[23:58:30] <gordonjcp> aha![23:58:36] <gordonjcp> gotya