[00:00:25] * gordonjcp caffienates
[00:02:11] <HeTo> although IMO using BeOS makebootable and copying haiku_loader to beos/system/zbeos is smarter than using makebootabletiny if you're on BeOS
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[00:04:47] <gordonjcp> but for "casual" users, downloading a prebuilt image and running makebootabletiny is more likely the way to go
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[00:06:46] <gordonjcp> what's actually the need for makebootable?  Is it that Haiku's boot loader expects the partition to be in a certain place on the disk?
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[00:08:22] <HeTo> yes, just that (and the offset is recorded in the boot sector)
[00:08:51] <HeTo> if you look at the makebootabletiny sources, you'll see that it just modifies those four bytes in the boot sector
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[00:29:53] <gordonjcp> HeTo: yup
[00:29:54] <gordonjcp> http://www.gjcp.net/blog/2009/may/10/making-bootable-haiku-partition/
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[01:53:02] <Diareali_> will haiku run apps built for BONE, or just r5_net-serve?
[01:53:48] <JonathanThompson> Yes.
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[02:00:31] <stpere> JonathanThompson: that wasn't totally a yes/no question :P
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[02:03:50] <kirilla> stpere: how about "YES!"  ;)
[02:03:58] <stpere> :)
[02:04:09] <stpere> better.. :P
[02:04:20] <kirilla> Yes, sir, it will! Both of em! :))
[02:04:30] <stpere> ah there you go
[02:04:48] <kirilla> thank you, thank you! *bows*
[02:05:26] <kirilla> ah.. I should be asleep.. too much caffein
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[02:08:51] <Diareali_> thanks
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[02:31:37] <Diareali_> btw, I highly recommend seeing the new 'StarTrek' movie.  It was awesome.  I took my mom out to see it for mother's day
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[02:45:31] <CIA-20> kirilla * r30702 /haiku/trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Move Url class out of /bin/urlwrapper into BPrivate::Support. I plan to add a Launch()-method that will make it useful to /bin/open, AboutSystem, People and other applications.
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[02:53:11] <CIA-20> bga * r30703 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/cddb_daemon/ (5 files): (log message trimmed)
[02:53:11] <CIA-20> Work in progress. Just commiting so I don't lose this code due to OpenBFS bugs
[02:53:11] <CIA-20> for the third time. :P
[02:53:13] <CIA-20> This is close to be complete but I hit some cdda-fs bugs that need to be fixed
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[03:05:05] <JonathanThompson> stpere: kirilla restated my answer, and it appears he concurs that indeed, in this case, it was a yes/no question ;)
[03:05:14] <stpere> :D
[03:05:38] <JonathanThompson> I couldn't help answering in such a fashion: well, I could, but chose not to avoid it ;)
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[03:09:07] * BePhantom sudo rm -rf /JonathanThompson
[03:09:22] * JonathanThompson feels unvalued and unavailable now
[03:09:43] * Carbamide hugs JonathanThompson
[03:09:48] <BePhantom> you've been erased :D
[03:09:53] * JonathanThompson feels revalued
[03:10:09] * JonathanThompson wonders if Carbamide's hug is a ghost hug!
[03:10:18] <Carbamide> ghost hug?
[03:11:37] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson sees dead people
[03:12:24] <JonathanThompson> BePhantom: I also attract weird disasters of many types that I have no hopes of reasonably predicting, preventing, or controlling!
[03:14:34] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, stay away from me then :D
[03:14:55] * JonathanThompson doesn't consider it likely he'll be visiting South America anytime soon
[03:15:53] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, you could be blamed for economic recession and swine flu among other things :D
[03:16:16] * JonathanThompson winks ;)
[03:16:25] <stpere> do you mean JonathanThompson is a swine banker??
[03:16:29] <stpere> I knew it
[03:16:53] <stpere> for some reason, I feel sad for 3drealms
[03:16:58] * JonathanThompson banks a pig
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[03:18:54] <BePhantom> stpere, why?
[03:19:10] <stpere> well, bankers caused the crisis
[03:19:26] <stpere> and for some reason, I blame pigs for the other :) (wrongly, I know)
[03:19:35] <BePhantom> pourquoi :D
[03:19:55] <stpere> why they caused the crysis?
[03:20:03] <BePhantom> no, why you feel sorry for 3drealms
[03:20:09] <stpere> oh :)
[03:20:35] <stpere> I dunno, it feels like it was a great place to work at
[03:20:45] <stpere> work and work and work and never release :)
[03:21:02] <JonathanThompson> The Duke Nukem Forever people?
[03:21:06] <stpere> yes
[03:21:43] <JonathanThompson> <sigh> I'm guilty to some degree of that myself, but at least my existence is not potentially really affected in any meaningful way, nor that of others.
[03:22:23] <JonathanThompson> In particular, the one I'm most guilty of that issue is something that from a commercial point of view, has almost no chance of being profitable compared to the amount of work required versus any chance to sell it.
[03:22:28] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, is our scapegoat for economic crysis, not bankers btw :D
[03:22:43] <JonathanThompson> Oh, so now that's all MY fault? :D
[03:23:00] <stpere> JonathanThompson: you stole that candy bar in 1998, no?
[03:23:02] <stpere> see???
[03:23:09] <JonathanThompson> Nope, I did not.
[03:23:12] <stpere> oh
[03:23:15] <JonathanThompson> Not in any other year, either!
[03:23:43] * JonathanThompson steals a look at stpere, decides to come clean and put it back where it belongs
[03:23:44] <stpere> then the crysis isn't your fault
[03:23:57] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, yes and for my receding hairline
[03:24:10] <JonathanThompson> BePhantom: perhaps you caught that one from me ;)
[03:24:28] * JonathanThompson wonders what would happen if a new weird virus went around that caused everyone to go bald
[03:24:40] <JonathanThompson> I'd definitely invest in a hat maker :D
[03:25:05] <BePhantom> wigs made out of cat hair would be a hit
[03:25:13] * Carbamide has two cats
[03:25:16] <Carbamide> I would be rich!
[03:25:20] <JonathanThompson> Pity the poor cats :D
[03:25:36] <BePhantom> a want to wear a persian
[03:25:38] * JonathanThompson wonders if Carbamide would shave his cats, and if they'd speak to him afterwards
[03:27:02] <BePhantom> stpere, wasnt 3drealms bought by id?
[03:27:26] <stpere> I doubt it, but maybe ..
[03:28:26] <BePhantom> "3D Realms was shut down on May 6, 2009"
[03:28:34] <BePhantom> :P
[03:28:35] <stpere> yes
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[03:33:14] * JonathanThompson stretches Carbamide's two cats and hands one to stpere and the other one to BePhantom to care for
[03:33:34] <JonathanThompson> It's a hairball bailout plan!
[03:33:50] <Carbamide> Aries would love you no matter what you did to him.  Tvarscki would kill you in your sleep
[03:34:00] <Carbamide> Yes, I named a cat after a cheap vodka
[03:34:10] <JonathanThompson> Ah, the Yin and Yang of cats!
[03:35:09] <JonathanThompson> Cats are just smaller people with (usually!) more fur, and the ability to purr and lick their butts :D
[03:35:25] <Carbamide> If I could lick my own butt, I would never leave the house.
[03:35:34] <JonathanThompson> As such, they vary widely in terms of personality and intelligence, and sanity, just like people!
[03:35:56] * JonathanThompson isn't quite sure how to interpret Carbamide's statement...
[03:36:27] <BePhantom> Carbamide, your next cat will be named Johnnie Walker?
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[03:37:05] <helf|netbook> hiiiiii
[03:37:07] * Carbamide laughs
[03:37:14] * helf|netbook has his new awesome hackintosh netbook
[03:37:32] <mmadia> damn, has it been 4 days already?  :P
[03:37:38] <helf|netbook> ha
[03:37:43] <helf|netbook> i leave tomorrow :)
[03:37:45] * mmadia grins
[03:38:20] <helf|netbook> richer 1 DS + 3 games, dual p3-1ghz proliant server, iris workstation, 600gb of files... netbook
[03:38:22] <mmadia> where to and why, family, fun, adventure?
[03:38:42] <stpere> hi helf|netbook
[03:38:47] <helf|netbook> to hurst texas
[03:38:54] <helf|netbook> to vidsit family and get ma stuffs
[03:38:59] <helf|netbook> this keyboard is so small
[03:39:51] <stpere> night everyone!
[03:39:53] <mmu_man> http://www.zeropaid.com/news/86195/mans-opposition-to-french-three-strikes-law-costs-him-his-job/
[03:40:10] <stpere> ok, you might assume I'm going to sleep.. no, I order everyone to go to sleep! :)
[03:40:10] <BePhantom> or you have awfully big fingers
[03:40:13] <BePhantom> :D
[03:40:24] <helf|netbook> this keyboard is so smalldl
[03:40:26] <helf|netbook> er
[03:40:29] <helf|netbook> its a netbook :P
[03:40:32] <stpere> hehe
[03:40:39] <helf|netbook> and yes, i have fat hands ^_^
[03:40:46] <BePhantom> night stpere!
[03:40:50] <stpere> thx
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[03:41:56] <BePhantom> hey, i was just thinking (yes, i think sometimes) that with the right codecs haiku could be a great media center os
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[05:42:08] <BePhantom> im in a very retro mood, i'm gonna watch Masters of the Universe :)
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[07:37:45] <BePhantom> i hate virtualbox and linux right now :P
[07:39:05] <BePhantom> anyone here knows how to compile the bloody kernel module?
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[07:39:11] <Hugen_> hi all
[07:39:38] <mmadia42> BePhantom : jam -q   :P
[07:39:46] <DrHouse_Compaq> lol
[07:39:51] <BePhantom> ja :D
[07:40:07] <BePhantom> no, really, it's really upsetting me
[07:40:09] <BePhantom> :P
[07:41:10] <BePhantom> i get this friggin message http://pastebin.com/m3bdffa5d in the log when trying to compile http://pastebin.com/m3bdffa5d
[07:41:23] <BePhantom> oops, posted twice there :P
[07:41:42] <DrHouse_Compaq> what linux
[07:42:06] <BePhantom> ubuntu 8.10, i cant run vbox therefore cant test haiku
[07:42:30] <DrHouse_Compaq> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[07:42:36] <DrHouse_Compaq> should hopefully fix that error
[07:43:22] <BePhantom> does it download the source? someone told me i need the source or sth
[07:43:49] <DrHouse_Compaq> i think you only need the headers
[07:44:01] <DrHouse_Compaq> if i remember doing this before
[07:44:22] <BePhantom> i did install linux-headers but without the uname -r
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[07:47:05] <BePhantom> well, there goes nothing
[07:47:06] <BePhantom> :D
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[07:51:38] <BePhantom> yay it worked DrHouse_Compaq!!
[07:51:44] <DrHouse_Compaq> ^_^
[07:51:46] <BePhantom> i so love you right now!
[07:51:48] <BePhantom> lol
[07:51:52] <BePhantom> thanks man!
[07:51:58] <DrHouse_Compaq> welcome
[07:52:41] <BePhantom> wohoo, haiku booted :)
[07:54:07] <BePhantom> after so many days it finally works :)
[07:55:27] <DrHouse_Compaq> ^.^
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[07:59:41] <DrHouse_Compaq> O_O PXE boot is lilke O_O when you read the server output
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[09:01:19] <gordonjcp> BePhantom: why not just use qemu?
[09:02:07] <BePhantom> gordonjcp, i dunno i always used vbox :D
[09:02:13] <gordonjcp> fair enough
[09:02:30] <gordonjcp> I used qemu because it worked straight away ;-)
[09:03:10] <BePhantom> i used to have qemu in BeOS, i remember i booted macos
[09:03:16] <BePhantom> and windows 98 :P
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[09:16:28] <Hugen_> re
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[09:24:48] <gordonjcp> Hugen_: morning
[09:34:26] <Hugen_> hey
[09:36:13] <Hugen_> umccullough: Are you now?
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[10:03:19] <CIA-20> stippi * r30704 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/audio/hda/hda_controller.cpp:
[10:03:19] <CIA-20> * Fix by Cyan: Do the offset calculation taking the rate base into account.
[10:03:19] <CIA-20> Fixes using the HDA driver with frame rates based on 44100Hz.
[10:03:19] <CIA-20> * Automatic white space cleanup.
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[10:38:27] <Hugen_> re
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[10:42:47] <Teknomancer> morning
[10:43:37] <JonathanThompson> http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/hsh/1154800323.html
[10:43:48] <JonathanThompson> Look at the total price at the top, Teknomancer :D
[10:44:31] <Teknomancer> nice :P
[10:44:49] * JonathanThompson thinks someone might have been typing while drunk
[10:47:37] <gordonjcp> heh
[10:47:51] <gordonjcp> jeez, why would you buy some grim second-hand microwave for $100 anyway?
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[10:48:21] <HaiColon> maybe someone famous dried his socks in there
[10:48:27] <gordonjcp> that's like £65 or something just now
[10:48:37] <gordonjcp> you can buy a new microwave in Asda for £"0
[10:48:40] <gordonjcp> *£20
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[10:56:55] <Teknomancer> who's mehmet?
[10:56:56] <Teknomancer> hmm
[10:57:15] <Teknomancer> ah wrong channel
[11:06:36] <gordonjcp> I don't understand how you can buy a brand new microwave oven for less than a replacement inkjet cartridge
[11:11:41] <HaiColon> As far as I know printer manufacturers make money with the inkjet cartridges, not with the printers. You can get a decent printer with a decent flatbed scanner for €50. They don't make any money on those. So instead they put a huge margin on the cartdriges so they get the money back and make more money in the long run
[11:12:04] <HaiColon> If you buy a printer that does cost more money, the ink cartridges are usually cheaper.
[11:13:22] <HaiColon> That's how Canon does it at least, haven't bought a printer from another company for a long time, the Canon ones are really good.
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[11:17:23] <thebolt> HaiColon: my mother had a lexmark where it was cheaper to buy another printer than to buy two new ink cartridges (black+color)..
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[11:24:54] <HaiColon> Well, it's like the mobile phone price model. You get the mobile phone for free (or for a really low price) but you have to pay buckloads of cash every month ^^
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[11:36:53] <Hugen_> hi again
[11:39:57] <Teknomancer> hi Hugen_
[11:40:15] <Hugen_> hey Teknomancer
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[14:23:25] <Hugen_> hey
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[15:00:14] <Teknomancer> hmm
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[15:32:07] <deetah> hi
[15:32:21] <deetah> how do I expand the haiku.image file to have more space in it?
[15:32:46] <mmadia> you cannot.
[15:32:52] <mmadia> a new one would need to be created.
[15:33:00] <deetah> okay, how to? ;)
[15:33:22] <deetah> I tried to partition it like a normal disk image but it didn't work
[15:33:34] <deetah> im new to jam so i don't even know where to look for the image-making routines
[15:34:18] <mmadia> look at  /path/haiku/build/jam/UserBuildConfig.readme and .sample
[15:35:01] <mmadia> http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/haiku/haiku/trunk/build/jam/UserBuildConfig.ReadMe
[15:35:16] <mmadia> http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/haiku/haiku/trunk/build/jam/UserBuildConfig.sample
[15:35:21] <mmadia> gotta go.
[15:35:23] <deetah> thanks ;)
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[15:45:20] <leszek> hi
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[15:52:58] <deetah> wget seems not to work if built with ssh support:
[15:53:27] <deetah> runtime_loader: cannot open file libcrypto.so.0.9.8
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[15:59:43] <deetah> how much does haiku depend on bash?
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[16:08:05] <JonathanThompson> deetah: it is completely non-vital to the OS itself.
[16:08:36] <deetah> JonathanThompson: so all the boot scripts etc will work if I replace it with zsh as well?
[16:08:42] <JonathanThompson> At most, there's a little used on startup that's interpreted by bash (not sure about that)...
[16:08:48] <JonathanThompson> Most likely.
[16:08:57] <deetah> gotta check if zsh works :d
[16:09:01] <Carbamide> Good morning
[16:09:04] <JonathanThompson> But outside of that, the OS doesn't need a text shell.
[16:09:17] * JonathanThompson stretches out both of Carbamide's cats
[16:09:23] <deetah> I thought I saw some .sh files ran during startup...
[16:10:02] <JonathanThompson> Well, deetah, I guess you've got some experimentation to do :)  I'm honestly not sure why you'd bother changing the shell for the OS bits, though.
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[16:10:30] <deetah> well, I operate in shell a lot. and zsh's really more convenient for me.
[16:10:31] <deetah> anyway
[16:10:37] <deetah> does haiku have nvidia rendering support?
[16:10:46] <JonathanThompson> ?
[16:10:54] <deetah> well, nvidia 3d drivers.
[16:10:56] <leszek> deetah, 2D acceleration is supported
[16:10:58] <Ingenu> 3D no
[16:11:01] <JonathanThompson> I'm not sure what you're asking with that question, precisely...
[16:11:04] <Ingenu> 2D yes
[16:11:15] <leszek> 3D is not implemented
[16:11:22] <deetah> uh-uh.
[16:11:53] <JonathanThompson> 3D is not hardware-accelerated AT ALL in Haiku: not really any different than BeOS 5.03 in practice.
[16:11:57] <leszek> but as they aren't any big 3D apps out there for haiku, you won't miss ist
[16:12:39] <leszek> and simple opengl apps like teapot are amazingly fast for software opengl
[16:13:08] <deetah> i was hoping to play a wine game :P
[16:13:27] <Paradoxon> wine isnt in progress to port...
[16:13:28] <leszek> wine game ?
[16:13:29] <Paradoxon> so...
[16:13:37] <Paradoxon> no wine at all at the moment
[16:13:38] <deetah> I see.
[16:13:41] <leszek> wine = Wine is not an emulator ?
[16:13:47] <deetah> you have ssh or some kind of a replacement?
[16:13:49] <deetah> leszek: yah.
[16:13:54] <Paradoxon> shure
[16:14:01] <leszek> aha , not yet ported ;9
[16:14:07] <leszek> ssh is in
[16:14:19] <Paradoxon> but for 3d there is something in planing as i know ;-)
[16:14:32] <JonathanThompson> deetah: keep in mind that Haiku is still pre-alpha, WINE isn't exactly even remotely a high priority ;)
[16:14:33] <deetah> i've got "command not found error" tbh :P
[16:14:39] <deetah> mhm.
[16:14:49] <Paradoxon> what image are you using
[16:15:03] <deetah> so it'd be plain stupid to try to use it for a desktop PC?
[16:15:09] <deetah> jam -q haiku-image
[16:15:40] <Paradoxon> but if u add
[16:15:46] <Paradoxon> all optional packages
[16:15:52] <JonathanThompson> Depends on how important your data is, deetah: anything pre-alpha should only b used for testing :)
[16:15:58] <Paradoxon> it should be in
[16:16:02] <deetah> how do I make ./configure recognize the target architecture?
[16:16:26] <deetah> JonathanThompson: well, that's not the problem. I prefer comfort to stability :P
[16:16:38] <JonathanThompson> If you're depending on Haiku in its current state to not corrupt/lose your data, you're a fool :D
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[16:17:19] <deetah> should've put it in a splash screen :P
[16:17:26] <JonathanThompson> You might get by without it causing you a problem, but on the other hand, you may have subtle (don't find out until later) or quickly visible corrupted data.
[16:18:00] <JonathanThompson> deetah: for some weird reason, the Haiku, Inc. thought it should be obvious enough from everything else on the site, such as the fact that there's not a truly easy way to install it atm ;)
[16:18:21] <deetah> mkay.
[16:18:38] <deetah> I got the zsh package, but ./configure doesn't work. I have to tell it the target manually. what to type in?
[16:19:10] <leszek> deetah, do you have the build packages installed ?
[16:19:10] * JonathanThompson doesn't have the zsh package to be able to help
[16:19:21] <leszek> gcc and so on
[16:19:34] <deetah> yeah, I guess I do. I wouldn't build and boot haiku without 'em, would I?
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[16:20:08] <leszek> might be
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[16:20:16] <leszek> see http://www.haiku-os.org/development
[16:20:22] <deetah> woot. gcc: command not found.
[16:20:35] <Teknomancer> can we compile within  Haiku yet? :)
[16:20:46] <gordonjcp> Teknomancer: yes
[16:20:46] <deetah> so should I edit UserBuildConfig then?
[16:21:02] <Teknomancer> okay i'll try compiling this weekend i guess
[16:21:10] <iMax_pp> deetah: yep if you want to have and gcc and cie in your haiku's image.
[16:21:29] <deetah> is there a list of optional packages' names?
[16:21:41] <iMax_pp> read OptionalPackages
[16:21:55] <deetah> silly me.
[16:21:59] <iMax_pp> in build/jam/
[16:22:50] <deetah> syntax's AddBlahBlah Pkg1, Pkg2; ?
[16:23:10] <iMax_pp> don't forget a space before the semi-colon
[16:23:26] <iMax_pp> AddOptionalPackages Pkg1, Pkg2 ;
[16:24:16] <deetah> pretty weird, but ok, thanks ;)
[16:24:48] <deetah> umm. it worked without the comma. :P
[16:24:55] <gordonjcp> no comma, I think
[16:25:17] <deetah> brb
[16:30:38] <JonathanThompson> Hmmm... some new Craig's List poster looking for a volunteer computer science position has already failed the first part of a job search: posting his plea for experience in the job listings location instead of where resume´s go.
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[16:31:07] <deetah> 14:55:29 < deetah> wget seems not to work if built with ssh support:
[16:31:07] <deetah> 14:55:58 < deetah> runtime_loader: cannot open file libcrypto.so.0.9.8
[16:31:10] <aljen> hey
[16:31:12] <deetah> anybody noticed it? ;P
[16:31:49] <JonathanThompson> Check the bug tracker, file a bug if not :P
[16:32:12] <deetah> too lazy :P
[16:34:38] <JonathanThompson> Then why are you expecting others to have noticed it first? :D
[16:35:05] <deetah> well, you're the devs, aren't you?: P you probably fix such bugs faster than I file bug reports xP
[16:35:27] * Carbamide blinks
[16:36:18] <Teknomancer> heh
[16:36:19] <Carbamide> Is there such a thing as a graphical svn client for linux?
[16:36:23] * JonathanThompson is a dev, but hasn't actually been part of the Haiku dev team beyond filing a couple bug reports and mentoring others...
[16:36:23] <leszek> hmm... the vim build seems a little bit out dated in haiku, is there gonna be a update coming soon, with tab completion, syntax highlighting and so on ?
[16:36:40] <Teknomancer> Carbamide:  blasphemy ...!! use the command line!
[16:36:50] <JonathanThompson> leszek: are you going to do that update yourself? :)
[16:37:00] * Carbamide does 4 hail marys for his blasphemy
[16:37:01] <leszek> JonathanThompson, no
[16:37:05] * Teknomancer is a dev too only submitted 2 classes to Haiku both of which are not yet public API :P
[16:37:06] <leszek> Carbamide, rapidsvn
[16:37:10] * JonathanThompson guesses probably not
[16:37:42] <leszek> I don't have time for it :P
[16:38:02] <JonathanThompson> Probably nobody else does, either, if the existing vim works well enough :P
[16:38:36] <JonathanThompson> I think that's one of those things that falls under the low priority category ;)
[16:39:01] <leszek> the existing vim is a peace of shit :P
[16:39:05] <Teknomancer> Pe already works on Haiku i think
[16:39:18] <leszek> vim is better :P
[16:39:24] <deetah> haiku build system downloads the packages instead of building them, right?
[16:39:29] <leszek> Pe has no tab completion as far as I know
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[16:40:43] <JonathanThompson> Downloads?  For a build system???
[16:41:12] <deetah> errr. wgets.
[16:41:54] <Carbamide> How do I change the permissions on /dev/sdb in ubuntu 9.04?  I try to change it and it automagically changes right back
[16:42:40] <leszek> Carbamide, you cannot change the permissions with normal user rights
[16:42:52] <Carbamide> can I change the owner?
[16:43:06] <Carbamide> I use sudo and it still changes back
[16:43:07] <leszek> I don't think so
[16:43:16] <deetah> ls -lh /dev/sdb. does it have any group different than root?
[16:43:37] <leszek> it is controlled by hal, but btw. shouldn't you ask the #ubuntu channel this questions ?
[16:43:53] <Carbamide> No.
[16:44:04] <Carbamide> To build haiku from scratch, it has to write to a disk
[16:44:09] <Carbamide> jam -q @disk
[16:44:30] <Carbamide> So I assumed someone in here had ran into it
[16:44:35] 
[16:44:41] <Carbamide> ah
[16:44:57] <Carbamide> It's owned by root:disk
[16:45:02] <leszek> and /dev/sda has the group disk for me
[16:45:07] <leszek> :)
[16:45:42] <Carbamide> I hate when a system thinks it knows better than I do.  I understand the reasoning I guess, but it's still annoying
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[16:46:09] <deetah> it usually is right :P
[16:46:18] <pfoetchen> Carbamide: then why do you use ubuntu ;)
[16:46:21] <deetah> ubuntu's actually wrong choice if you prefer control :P
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[16:46:27] <Carbamide> pfoetchen: Touche
[16:46:29] <Hugen_> hey
[16:46:44] <Carbamide> What distro do you guys use?
[16:46:45] <leszek> Carbamide, ever tried LFS :D or Gentoo :)
[16:46:46] <pfoetchen> you can build the whole thing as a user and then du sudo jam -q again
[16:46:56] <umccullough> i use debian lenny
[16:47:00] <deetah> gentoo here
[16:47:02] <leszek> Carbamide,  I have ZevenOS, but thats ubuntu xD
[16:47:59] <leszek> Carbamide, but I think that your problem is distribution independant
[16:48:06] <umccullough> i always do a sudo chmod o+r /dev/sda && sudo chmod o+rw /dev/sda2 and that works every time here
[16:48:34] <umccullough> i hear some distro's have some extra security feature that reverts permission changes like that
[16:48:40] <deetah> why don't you just sudo? :P
[16:48:52] <umccullough> you don't want to jam with sudo
[16:49:01] <leszek> hehe :)
[16:49:01] <deetah> why?
[16:49:06] <leszek> insane
[16:49:08] <umccullough> i mean, unless you really really trust yourself ;)
[16:49:20] <umccullough> a small slip in UserBuildConfig and you're toast
[16:49:35] <umccullough> i've almost killed my linux partition several times that way
[16:49:47] <umccullough> but my "safe permissions" have saved my ass :D
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[16:50:15] <umccullough> almost wiped out my windows xp partition that way too :/
[16:50:56] <umccullough> deetah, why not just login as root while you're at it :)
[16:50:58] <leszek> lol
[16:51:10] <deetah> okay, I got the point.
[16:51:43] <deetah> argh, 512mb image isn't enough for zsh testing.
[16:52:03] <umccullough> in any case, i seem to recall people using fedora were having that problem where the permissions on /dev/sd* were being reverted after they changed them
[16:52:31] <leszek> umccullough, thats a udev rule
[16:52:35] <umccullough> yeah?
[16:52:37] <leszek> it is active in ubuntu too
[16:52:48] <umccullough> i've not run into it on ubuntu
[16:52:49] <leszek> debian lenny doesn't have such rules activated
[16:52:54] <umccullough> but i stopped using ubuntu at 8.10 ;)
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[16:53:23] <umccullough> something they added in 9.04?
[16:53:37] <leszek> umccullough, zevenos doesn't have this problem aswell, so I am guessing they added this in jaunty
[16:53:57] <umccullough> how annoying
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[17:04:56] <deetah> Finck on #haiku?
[17:05:02] <deetah> i thought you're the reactos guy
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[17:05:46] <umccullough> several of us hang out in #reactos on occasion as well ;)
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[17:07:23] <Carbamide> Yay!  sudo jam -q @disk update-all worked!
[17:07:36] <deetah> errr.
[17:07:40] <umccullough> except, now you probably have lots of files in your generated owned by root :P
[17:07:47] <Carbamide> Yep
[17:07:52] <Carbamide> Oh well.  :-/
[17:08:00] <deetah> leszek: I've got the build tools installed, zsh doesn't guess the architecture anyway.
[17:08:07] <umccullough> sudo chown -R ...
[17:08:27] <umccullough> yep
[17:08:54] <leszek> deetah, hmm... installed them in the right path ?
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[17:09:13] <pfoetchen> ich you compile as normal user before until you get the error messages and do another jam -q afterwards as root you have the rights on most of the files
[17:09:16] <pfoetchen> if
[17:09:53] <umccullough> i've tried that, and i still get permission errors the next time I jam as normal user
[17:10:15] <deetah> leszek: i've let the jam thing do it.
[17:10:17] <umccullough> but perhaps that has changed in the recent years :D
[17:10:52] <umccullough> time for work, ttyl
[17:12:29] <deetah> leszek: --build=i586-haiku helped.
[17:12:38] <deetah> i586-pc-haiku*
[17:13:30] <leszek> :)
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[17:14:59] <Carbamide> Yay!  The bug where Bezilla would crash if you launched it from the deskbar is gone!
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[17:23:18] <Lelldorin1> hi all
[17:23:46] <leszek> hi Lelldorin1
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[17:34:08] <CIA-20> humdingerb * r30705 /haiku/trunk/docs/userguide/en/installation/install-source-linux.html:
[17:34:08] <CIA-20> It was brought to my attention that 'HAIKU_DONT_CLEAR_IMAGE = 1' is supposed to
[17:34:08] <CIA-20> be redundant in case of a @disk build. I'm woefully ignorant of the intricacies
[17:34:08] <CIA-20> of our buildsystem, so I just accepted that and ran with it. :) Thanks Matt (and
[17:34:08] <CIA-20> Urias by proxy).
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[18:05:51] <CIA-20> humdingerb * r30706 /haiku/trunk/docs/userguide/en/ (applications/apps-people.html installation.html): Removed out of date installation.html which was moved to /installation/install-source-linux.html a while back. Thanks for noticing, Matt.
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[18:10:21] <CIA-20> humdingerb * r30707 /haiku/trunk/docs/userguide/ (3 files in 2 dirs): The apps-people.html wasn't supposed to be commited yet, but what done is done, so here's the rest... :)
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[18:36:51] <CIA-20> anevilyak * r30708 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalBuildFeatures: Patch by Matt Madia: Update OpenSSL to v0.9.8k. Thanks!
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[18:38:15] <prOSy> hi
[18:42:59] <Carbamide> hi
[18:44:53] <Hodapp> hi
[18:47:37] <MindChild> hi
[18:48:53] <Teknomancer> hi
[18:51:11] <Hugen_> aloha
[18:51:14] <Hugen_> :)
[18:52:10] <iMax_pp> hippocampus
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[18:53:34] <iMax_pp> "a word which begins by hi"... Sorry, I'm already outside.
[18:54:33] <kirilla> "remember the tooth"
[18:55:40] <kirilla> a little something from "Dune", for no reason at all!
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[20:03:19] <ulterior_modem> hi
[20:03:32] <JonathanThompson> ho
[20:03:43] * JonathanThompson lives on the edge of destruction
[20:03:57] <JonathanThompson> (Not entirely willingly)
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[20:15:22] <megaf> JonathanThompson: ?
[20:15:47] <JonathanThompson> megaf: seems I'm on the edge of destruction financially right now.
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[20:17:20] <JonathanThompson> Either by the end of today I'll be fine for the rest of the month, and by the end of the week, fine for the rest of the year, or I'll be forced to downsize and go on a major austerity diet.
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[20:30:53] <duaneb> hi people
[20:31:05] <ziomatto> hi duaneb
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[20:32:28] <ulterior_modem> blarg
[20:34:04] <duaneb> indeed
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[21:20:43] <stpere> JonathanThompson: well, do they know it's Christmas at all?
[21:21:07] <JonathanThompson> Depends on whether or not they listen to all the singers in the benefit concerts, stpere !
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[21:28:46] <CIA-20> kirilla * r30709 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/stylededit/StyledEditApp.cpp:
[21:28:46] <CIA-20> Partial revert. Reimplementing the previous behaviour of accounting for
[21:28:46] <CIA-20> differences in current working directory between the running single-launch
[21:28:46] <CIA-20> process and later invocations of the same, as this is necessary to handle
[21:28:46] <CIA-20> correctly any relative paths given on the command-line. Added comment.
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[21:31:09] <kirilla> *crosses fingers*
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[21:39:15] <pyCube> listen....
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[21:40:31] <Barrett666> how can i make a gcc4 based hybrid?
[21:40:38] <Barrett666> compatible with gcc2 apps
[21:41:44] <duaneb> anyone see the new star trek?
[21:42:08] <duaneb> umm, also
[21:42:10] <duaneb> I have a beagleboard
[21:42:19] <duaneb> is it all right to help with the GSOC student?
[21:42:28] <duaneb> or would it be more polite to wait until the summer is over?
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[21:43:46] <VinDuv> Barrett666: First you need to create a secondary build environment
[21:44:08] <Barrett666> VinDuv, a second svn tree?
[21:44:43] <VinDuv> Barrett666: create a new directory in the Haiku sources (named gcc2 for instance), cd into it, and run ../configure --build-cross-tools ../../buildtools
[21:44:52] <mmu_man> plop
[21:45:05] <Barrett666> VinDuv, and then?
[21:45:07] <mmu_man> pfoetchen did you tell me if you plan to attend the RMLL ?
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[21:46:35] <pfoetchen> mmu_man: I will have to see if I can get to France for cheap then...
[21:46:36] <VinDuv> Barrett666: then cd .. , and run ./configure --build-cross-tools-gcc4 x86 ../buildtools --alternative-gcc-output-dir gcc2
[21:46:59] <Barrett666> and then jam -q haiku.image ?
[21:47:59] <VinDuv> You also need to add or uncomment "HAIKU_ADD_ALTERNATIVE_GCC_LIBS = 1 ;" in your UserBuildConfig
[21:48:12] <VinDuv> After this, it should work
[21:52:43] <pfoetchen> mmu_man: my parents will drive to Angers sometimes around the beginning of june but I can't stay in France for a whole month ;) ...
[21:53:51] <mmu_man> pfoetchen if you book train 2 months before you can it cheaper
[21:54:41] <mmu_man> you might want to ask oco, he lives in beauvais, maybe you can go there by train and then share a car
[21:54:56] <mmu_man> I've yet to see how I'll go there too
[21:55:28] <mmu_man> need to choose if I'll speak english or french there...
[21:57:05] <PulkoMandy> or both :)
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[22:00:43] <MoaBird> Hi there, have any of you gotten Haiku up and running successfully on a Mac? Dual-booting, I mean... not in a VM?
[22:02:11] <mmu_man> PulkoMandy it's already short enougfh :p
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[22:06:53] <pfoetchen> I can speak in French but I don't know all the computer terminology in French ;)
[22:07:30] <iMax_pp> I think you can use the english ones.
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[22:20:52] <Barrett666> thx VinDuv
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[22:27:25] <pyCube> ya know.. avocado is pretty close to a perfect food
[22:30:13] <Carbamide> mmu_man: I built haiku this morning and the bezilla bug is gone.
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[22:32:20] <kirilla> Q: is there any practical difference between BString path(u.Path()); and BString path = u.Path();  ?
[22:33:24] <mmu_man> other than style ?
[22:33:40] <duaneb> anyone know how the webkit port is coming?
[22:34:21] <kirilla> mmu_man:  yeah .. I guess it is just the constructor that gets called in the first one, and constructor + operator in the second?
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[22:34:54] <HeTo> both just call the constructor
[22:35:36] <kirilla> thanks HeTo
[22:36:33] <kirilla> all things equal, readability wins
[22:37:12] <pyCube> that means the second one is better?
[22:37:25] <kirilla> IMO yes
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[22:38:42] <kirilla> since "=" is clearly assignment, in the languages of my experience.. maybe people with other experience might think differently
[22:39:29] <pyCube> thats what i was thinking
[22:39:39] <pyCube> one lokos like an assignment, the other looks like perl
[22:39:42] <pyCube> :-p
[22:40:02] <HeTo> perl? you don't mean LISP?
[22:40:25] <pyCube> i meanm "who the f*** knows what thats supposed to be doing.."
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[22:41:09] <HeTo> well I can read perl code far more easily usually than LISP code
[22:41:30] <gordonjcp> lies
[22:41:33] <HeTo> but that might just be because I've never tried to learn a functional programming language
[22:41:34] <gordonjcp> no-one can read perl code
[22:41:37] <kirilla> parenthesophobe!
[22:41:37] <gordonjcp> not even Larry Wall
[22:42:07] <kirilla> (is that a word? :))
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[22:43:27] * noisetonepause needs a typgraphy/font-geek
[22:43:46] <gordonjcp> noisetonepause: What exactly are you trying to do?
[22:44:09] <gordonjcp> * note that this is not an admission of font-geekery
[22:44:13] <noisetonepause> gordonjcp: i need a font where the bottom of the u is just a curve
[22:44:27] <gordonjcp> ubuntu logo font?
[22:44:29] <noisetonepause> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/J_accuse.jpg
[22:44:42] <noisetonepause> hah, yes
[22:44:43] <noisetonepause> like that
[22:44:57] <Carbamide> O<
[22:45:01] <gordonjcp> okay, the caps at the top?
[22:45:06] <Carbamide> It's a duck!  :-)
[22:45:08] <kirilla> I blame.. noisetonepause!
[22:45:15] <gordonjcp> I would have thought that most sans-serif caps have a U like that
[22:45:22] * noisetonepause also blames noisetonepause
[22:45:25] <kirilla> heh
[22:45:38] <noisetonepause> gordonjcp: nope
[22:46:34] <gordonjcp> noisetonepause: what about Bitstream Vera Bold?
[22:47:09] <noisetonepause> gordonjcp: seems to also have the thingy?
[22:47:16] <gordonjcp> "thingy"?
[22:47:51] <gordonjcp> which U am I looking at?
[22:47:54] <noisetonepause> yeah, err, that's the technical term for the vertical line in the right-hand croner
[22:48:29] <noisetonepause> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:VeraSansSpecimen.svg
[22:48:45] <noisetonepause> ah!
[22:48:45] <gordonjcp> oh, is this a lowercase u without a serif?
[22:48:56] <gordonjcp> well, not serif, I know the bit you mean
[22:49:01] <noisetonepause> it's a case thing
[22:49:22] <pyCube> I sought the serif
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[22:52:09] <kirilla> yeah, u lowercase has the thing. U in uppercase does not.
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[22:59:24] <noisetonepause> rough sketch:
[22:59:25] <noisetonepause> http://nisbeth.dk/niklas/fu.png
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[23:07:36] <kirilla> how rude!
[23:07:38] <kirilla> ;)
[23:07:44] <noisetonepause> need to find/make a font where the bottom of the u and the top of the c look more alike
[23:07:55] <noisetonepause> and then the letters align better
[23:08:01] <noisetonepause> and then i can make the geekiest sticker
[23:08:02] <noisetonepause> ever.
[23:09:04] <pyCube> the sticker thats currently been grating on my nerves is the "coexist" one
[23:09:23] <noisetonepause> pyCube: why is that?
[23:10:30] <pyCube> it just does
[23:11:20] <pyCube> it really stupid, i suppose thats one reason
[23:11:23] <pyCube> its
[23:12:01] <kirilla> conexist
[23:12:05] <noisetonepause> i don't like how they put an s on the yin yang
[23:12:35] <pyCube> i dont like how it legitimizes primitive world views
[23:12:46] <noisetonepause> ah, you're one of those..
[23:12:55] <pyCube> one of what?
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[23:13:40] <noisetonepause> pyCube:  you like your dawkins?
[23:13:56] <pyCube> not particularly
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[23:14:45] <noisetonepause> mm, ok
[23:15:03] <pyCube> more of a joseph campbell approach to the suject
[23:15:09] <pyCube> subject
[23:15:11] <noisetonepause> intresting
[23:15:16] <noisetonepause> don't see a lot of that
[23:15:20] <noisetonepause> i'm not overly familiar
[23:15:30] <noisetonepause> except i know george lucas is madly in love with him
[23:15:35] <noisetonepause> which is one reason i haven't explored
[23:15:47] <noisetonepause> more of a nietzsche person my slef
[23:15:49] <pyCube> lucas is a retard.. plain and simple
[23:15:51] <pyCube> heh
[23:16:00] <noisetonepause> yes.
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[23:16:51] <noisetonepause> my gut instinct says that he knows about as much about campbell as the wachowski brothers know about buddhism
[23:17:09] <noisetonepause> but i've not really looked into it.
[23:18:53] <pyCube> the sticker is silly though
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[23:20:06] <noisetonepause> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:British_Union_of_Fascists_flag.ant.svg
[23:20:14] <noisetonepause> if they'd put that in it i'd've bought one
[23:20:22] <noisetonepause> to provoke, of course
[23:20:44] <pyCube> heh
[23:21:34] <pyCube> its gotta a nice early 20th century, 'to the future!' feel to it
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[23:23:21] <ulterior_modem> rofl it reminds me of xity of ember :P
[23:23:25] <ulterior_modem> **city
[23:24:00] <pyCube> i have a daughter named ember.. heh
[23:24:10] <ulterior_modem> heh
[23:24:20] <ulterior_modem> It is a book, I think they turned it into a movie.
[23:24:20] <pyCube> she has sweet golden dreads
[23:24:29] <noisetonepause> how'd you come up with that?
[23:24:46] <noisetonepause> (i take it your first language is english)
[23:24:49] <ulterior_modem> [I rarely take the time to watch movies made form books]
[23:24:50] <pyCube> while building a fire back when i lived in the mountains
[23:25:07] <noisetonepause> ulterior_modem: you just need to keep the two separate
[23:25:12] <noisetonepause> like the american psycho film
[23:25:14] <noisetonepause> it's a good film
[23:25:21] <ulterior_modem> True enough.
[23:25:28] <noisetonepause> but it's just nothing at all like the book
[23:25:36] <noisetonepause> pyCube: mountains. i love mountains.
[23:26:01] <noisetonepause> shame i live in denmark.
[23:26:22] <noisetonepause> the highest point here is a bridge pylon
[23:26:34] <ulterior_modem> I live in Indiana, United States. Its very nice out today :)
[23:26:36] <pyCube> My youngest daughter, Jaz, is just short for Jazz...even though geeks insist its more about removable storage
[23:26:55] <noisetonepause> heh
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[23:27:12] <mmadia> how old is she?  ;)  :P
[23:27:12] <noisetonepause> if i had a cat i'd name it five
[23:27:20] <ulterior_modem> pyCube, You win an internet for at least being a tad bit creative with your kid's names :P
[23:27:25] <noisetonepause> mmadia: OUT OF BOUNDS
[23:27:45] <mmadia> no,i meant as far as Iomega Jaz vs Jazz...
[23:27:54] <noisetonepause> of course you did
[23:27:55] <pyCube> When people ask her if her naem is short for Jasmine, she replies, "no, short for jazz with 2 z's"
[23:27:56] <ulterior_modem> I would love to stay and chat about names, fascism and mountains, but I have to go. Bye :)
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[23:28:31] <noisetonepause> i love arab names
[23:28:42] <noisetonepause> gaddafi's son is called saif ul-islam
[23:28:48] <noisetonepause> 'the sword of islam'
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[23:29:10] <mmadia> actuall... there's a fairly large window of the Jaz drive. `95 - 2002
[23:29:22] <noisetonepause> salladdin was really salah ud-din, the weapon of the faith
[23:29:49] <noisetonepause> mohammad's son-in-law was nicknamed asad ul-lla
[23:29:52] <noisetonepause> 'god's lion'
[23:29:58] <noisetonepause> if that's not bad ass, i don't know what is
[23:30:12] <pyCube> mmadia, she was born in '02.. heh
[23:30:34] <pyCube> seriously though.. her name comes from accidentally turning on the public radio station late one night
[23:31:06] <noisetonepause> heh, bedouin naming tradition is something like
[23:31:09] <noisetonepause> the child is born
[23:31:12] <pyCube> naming children is hell
[23:31:21] <noisetonepause> the father peaks out of the tent
[23:31:27] <noisetonepause> names it after what he sees
[23:31:44] <noisetonepause> gaddafi is something like 'spitting'
[23:31:51] <noisetonepause> cos there was a camel standing outside doing that
[23:32:32] <noisetonepause> i'm just going to name my children after my grandparents
[23:32:46] <noisetonepause> problem solved.
[23:34:09] <noisetonepause> anyways, i'm going to go bed
[23:34:11] <noisetonepause> g'night
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[23:50:13] <Disreali_> is the TextSearch addon functionally different than TrackGrep?
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[23:55:55] <PulkoMandy> +++
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