May 9, 2009 
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May 9, 2009 [00:01:23] *** aljen has quit IRC[00:07:33] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[00:09:44] *** yoritomo has joined #haiku[00:10:58] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[00:16:06] *** judgen has joined #haiku[00:16:14] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[00:17:30] *** glootech_ has joined #haiku[00:34:21] *** glootech has quit IRC[00:34:32] *** yoritomo_ has joined #haiku[00:39:10] *** yoritomo has quit IRC[00:39:10] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[00:39:50] *** sugar3 has quit IRC[00:41:11] *** yoritomo_ has quit IRC[00:43:16] *** judgen is now known as judgenZzz[00:43:51] *** yoritomo_ has joined #haiku[00:44:51] *** yoritomo_ has quit IRC[00:46:23] *** glootech_ is now known as glootech[00:46:38] <CIA-15> scottmc * r294 /haikuports/trunk/dev-libs/apr/apr-1.3.3-haiku.diff:[00:46:38] <CIA-15> Preliminary patch for building apr-1.3.3 on Haiku. There's still an issue to be[00:46:38] <CIA-15> figured out, it gives an error near the end of configure about rm not finding[00:46:38] <CIA-15> libtoolT, the work around for now is to create a temp symlink for libtool to[00:46:38] <CIA-15> /libtool[00:46:40] *** redblue has joined #haiku[00:50:16] *** wackymacs has quit IRC[00:50:54] *** luroh has joined #haiku[00:55:52] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[00:56:57] *** aguent has quit IRC[00:59:15] *** judgenZzz has quit IRC[00:59:31] <stpere> yay, weekend.. I can work without "guilt" on haiku[01:01:53] *** mvfranz has joined #haiku[01:02:00] *** MichaelDev has joined #haiku[01:03:49] <aurynn> import stpere; stpere.guilt_moderator(catholicism())[01:05:02] <stpere> :)[01:05:04] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[01:06:13] <aurynn> now you can feel guilty about everything :P[01:06:29] <stpere> nnnoooooeeess ! :P[01:06:42] * stpere drinks whiskey[01:16:08] * BePhantom hates whiskey[01:16:23] <stpere> me too[01:16:29] <stpere> :P[01:16:32] <BePhantom> why do you drink then?[01:16:35] <BePhantom> :P[01:16:37] <stpere> I don't[01:16:55] <stpere> mind buggling, isn't?[01:17:00] <stpere> I'm dreaming online[01:17:11] <aurynn> of electric sheep[01:17:18] <stpere> lol[01:17:23] <BePhantom> aurynn, i love pkd :)[01:17:44] <BePhantom> great book ;)[01:18:00] <stpere> I love books..[01:18:05] <stpere> with ketchup[01:18:22] <BePhantom> stpere, i cant drink whiskey, i have it lol, i can drink tequila, vodka sometimes, but beer is my fav one[01:18:29] <pyCube> i generally dont like whiskey, but last friday they served 'manhattans' here at work.. i got totally wasted on accident.. heh[01:18:32] <aurynn> I love whisky.[01:22:33] <BePhantom> when i travel to the south to visit my folks i always get offered whisky on the long distance bus and i always pass[01:22:51] <stpere> :)[01:23:14] <BePhantom> i always go for the champagne tho :D[01:23:30] <stpere> champagne on the bus?? :)[01:23:34] <BePhantom> yes[01:23:40] <stpere> man.. that's cool[01:23:45] <BePhantom> whisky, champagne, beer and wine[01:24:03] <BePhantom> if you want you can have 4[01:24:25] <stpere> and a free ride to the toilet?[01:25:06] <BePhantom> you make sure to choose a seat close to the WC :D[01:25:30] *** Colin_Finck has quit IRC[01:26:21] *** szczur has quit IRC[01:27:00] <BePhantom> aurynn, you like pkd?[01:27:12] *** aljen has joined #haiku[01:27:30] <aljen> hey[01:27:42] <BePhantom> hola aljen[01:28:30] <aurynn> BePhantom, haven't read enough of his to form an opinion yet[01:29:47] <BePhantom> aurynn, i see :) it's great imo[01:30:09] <BePhantom> i also like ray bradbury and hg wells[01:31:35] <BePhantom> the thing about ray bradbury is that he is such a good writer but very very predictive, after reading several short stories you realize that most of them have the same ending[01:33:28] <BePhantom> well, noone cares so i'll shut up :D[01:34:50] <pyCube> honestly, i never cared for bradbury[01:35:55] *** judgen has joined #haiku[01:36:13] <judgen> wow ibm is a giant...[01:36:31] <Hodapp> uh, yeah[01:36:39] <judgen> they recently passed 400k employees. No wonder they can do the things they do.[01:37:16] <BePhantom> shit lots of spambots keep spamming me on MSN messenger[01:37:26] <judgen> what does 400k of people even do?[01:37:45] <judgen> i understand research, marketing and such. but 400k?[01:37:46] <pyCube> attend meetings[01:38:02] <stpere> compose new buzzwords[01:38:24] <pyCube> contemplate the PC jr.[01:38:40] <Hodapp> or, like, develop shit.[01:38:54] <judgen> if ibm would put all employees in one american town with their families, they would be 2 million or thereabout. thus one of the larger towns of the us....[01:38:57] <mmadia> i do that everyday![01:39:32] <judgen> winder what IBM town would be like?[01:39:36] <judgen> wonder*[01:39:43] * mmadia will never be too old for toilet humor[01:39:52] <pyCube> sounds like sometyhign out of a vonnegut novel[01:40:13] <pyCube> weird corporate town[01:40:29] <pyCube> if you havent read Player Piano, you need to..[01:40:30] <judgen> pyCube corporate towns was common in the past.[01:40:33] <pyCube> heh[01:40:41] <judgen> pyCube no i havent.[01:41:10] <judgen> pyCube im trying to dream away at the moment.. i have 3 major blood clogs at the moment.[01:41:46] <judgen> excuse my spelling and grammar, im drugged up.[01:42:21] <judgen> on the bright side, they are all in the legs..[01:43:07] <pyCube> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_Piano_(novel)[01:43:23] <pyCube> man.. i need to reread that.. its been a year or 2[01:44:12] <judgen> can i buy it as drm free pdf or something?[01:44:19] <BePhantom> HeTo, nice interview :)[01:44:27] <judgen> BePhantom: url?[01:44:34] <BePhantom> mmadia, good work on posting the links to each interview :)[01:44:43] <BePhantom> judgen, http://www.begroovy.com/wordpress/?p=701[01:45:05] <judgen> begroovy is awsome, but i almost thought it was dead there for a while.[01:45:26] <mmadia> supposedly, chris is bringing HaikuNews back.[01:45:43] <mmadia> and thanks BePhantom.[01:45:57] <BePhantom> judgen, i thought the same[01:46:08] <judgen> If this was an interview or an CV i cant decide. Thus its awsome.[01:46:09] <BePhantom> mmadia, no, thanks to you :)[01:46:54] <judgen> my Be related news usually comes from ICO, haiku-os or bebits[01:47:06] <BePhantom> did HeTo project got accepted?[01:47:13] <judgen> i wish W6 could run on haiku.[01:47:42] <judgen> that must be the best native game for BeOS. ever except maybe corum and worms.[01:48:11] <judgen> quake3 is legal nowdays as the source is free. but the graphics isnt.[01:48:20] <judgen> so it does not count[01:49:00] <judgen> btw mouse acceleration on beos makes q3 impossible.[01:50:50] <pyCube> wasnt there some 3d side scrolly game port that kinda surfaced during that phase when the radeon 3d accel stuff was floating around?[01:50:56] <judgen> About another subject: Is metacity this unresponsive, or am i doing something wrong?[01:52:12] <judgen> pyCube i know what you talk about ive got that game on mt dual p3-1k with voodoo5. probably one of the best BeOS rigs ive ever gotten.[01:52:46] <pyCube> ah yeah.. there was radeon and voodoo 3d accel[01:53:01] * pyCube flashes back to the late 90's[01:53:16] <pyCube> er, maybe 2000'ish[01:54:00] <judgen> only Radeon until 7500 was supported afaik (7500 was not and nothing based on the R200 either, had to be R100) but all voodoos are supported with 3d in BeOS[01:54:20] <judgen> also some strange card from permedia.[01:55:58] <judgen> Suggestion: add a latest original post, instead just the users posts.[01:56:16] <judgen> or am i ignorant enough to miss that part somewhere[01:57:12] *** be-bop has left #haiku[02:14:43] *** _arjen_ has quit IRC[02:15:04] <judgen> there should be a superuninstaller..[02:15:11] * gordonjcp scrolls back to 19:49[02:15:30] <gordonjcp> looks like I missed TEH DRAMAZ[02:15:45] *** wildur has quit IRC[02:15:46] <judgen> gordonjcp: that drama?[02:15:51] <gordonjcp> pyCube: who tf was that?[02:17:20] <judgen> i ment what drama?[02:17:52] <gordonjcp> 19:46 < HisMajesty> you want to know how much money sun spent defending themselves on msft platforms?[02:17:56] <gordonjcp> and[02:18:00] <gordonjcp> 19:47 < HisMajesty> you just don't know the smell of war in business.[02:18:05] <gordonjcp> wasn't aware it was a war[02:18:13] <gordonjcp> wasn't aware it was a business, come to that[02:18:55] <judgen> oh ive been on scince 01 only..[02:19:16] <judgen> as its 02 right now i missed it,[02:19:33] <gordonjcp> heh[02:19:45] <judgen> sun is gone no matter what.[02:19:46] *** MrSunshine_ has joined #haiku[02:19:57] <gordonjcp> I don't understand operating system zealotry[02:20:09] <gordonjcp> to use a car analogy[02:20:12] <gordonjcp> or even to misuse ti[02:20:36] <gordonjcp> we have my GF's VW Polo, my Citroen CX, a Leyland Roadrunner truck and a Massey-Ferguson tractor[02:20:51] <judgen> unless fujitsu decides again that sparc is a good idea, then well have a plattform less to work for.[02:21:15] <judgen> ti=turbo intercooler?[02:21:33] <gordonjcp> judgen: on which, the CX or the Leyland?[02:21:41] <gordonjcp> the CX is naturally-aspirated petrol[02:21:44] <judgen> on all plattforms[02:21:47] <gordonjcp> the Polo is great around town, but gives me a numb backside on long drives, where the CX - with its big torquey engine, comfy seats, and hydraulic suspension excels[02:22:10] <gordonjcp> neither the Polo nor the CX nor the truck are much cop at pulling a haybaler[02:22:47] <judgen> ive bought a Passat to be manufactured during week 36 and delivered w37[02:22:49] <gordonjcp> "where is this going, gordon?" you cry[02:23:52] <gordonjcp> well, I have Linux, I have Slowlaris, I have FreeBSD and I even have MS-DOS on machines, each for a particular job[02:23:55] <judgen> gordonjcp: ive got better things to do than cry. Im a person with blood diseese.[02:24:28] <gordonjcp> judgen: are you going to see the Passat rolling off the line, or don't they do that these days?[02:24:39] <judgen> gordonjcp: i sid year ago that i would be dead, i have survived. but it only requires one loose clog to kill me.[02:24:44] <gordonjcp> eep[02:25:00] <judgen> gordonjcp: i get a video =P[02:25:12] <judgen> gordonjcp: i live in sweden[02:25:24] <judgen> sid=said[02:25:45] <gordonjcp> I'm really lucky in the things down both sides of my family that I've avoided, stuff like genetic blindness, Huntington's disease and congenital congestive heart failure[02:26:21] <gordonjcp> okay so I get a massively overactive thyroid and some really aggressive forms of cancer passed on genetically, but that's all fixable stuff[02:26:41] <judgen> my children, they arent mine biologically. So ive decided that all my current possessions would go to my parents. Is that selfish?[02:27:02] <gordonjcp> what's more selfish is not making a will at all[02:27:11] <judgen> true[02:27:12] <gordonjcp> that leaves a hell of a mess for everyone to clear up[02:27:47] <judgen> i dont want that, but i know my parents will take care of the kids even if they arent "mine".[02:28:21] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[02:28:25] <judgen> im not rich, my total posessions is probably only 1m euro.[02:29:55] *** Negr0 has quit IRC[02:30:39] <judgen> Do you know something that pisses me off? ESATA![02:31:04] <judgen> its freaking sata[02:31:17] <geist> it is[02:31:27] <geist> there's a slight signalling difference, however[02:31:49] <judgen> why the hell do they do the "separate connection cable" then?[02:31:50] <stpere> sata 1.01? :)[02:32:06] <judgen> should be the same[02:32:07] <geist> judgen: hmm?[02:32:24] <judgen> if i cut some plastic it fits and works,[02:32:33] <judgen> WHY?[02:32:34] <geist> oh a different connector you mean[02:32:36] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[02:32:42] <geist> that's because though it is basically the same it isn't[02:32:53] <geist> slight signalling difference[02:33:09] <geist> esata cables are also probably made with a different amount of shielding, so it can drive up to 2m, iirc[02:34:20] <geist> search for esata on wikipedia, it has a summary of why the cable is different[02:34:40] <geist> essentially it is that, they made it a different connector so that you can't use unshielded sata cables (the old kind)[02:34:53] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[02:36:05] <judgen> geist: you know me, and ive annoyed you about this in years, (palmos) will the pre be available in sweden and if, what would be the cost. And is there some way to use my apps (lonelycat, pockettunes and quickoffice) that i payed for on pre.[02:36:15] <geist> can't say[02:37:15] <judgen> btw ESATA has no difference from SATA except the plastic[02:37:21] <geist> that's not true[02:37:25] <geist> read the wikipedia article[02:37:35] <geist> the voltage requirements on signalling are wider[02:37:58] <judgen> im using a esata cable with my sata disc that i boot from.[02:38:08] <judgen> i had to fiddle some, but still[02:38:10] <geist> and the shielding on the cable, and the pins, and the fact that the connectors are designed to withstand more[02:38:14] <geist> of course, the bits are the same[02:38:23] <geist> and esata is a wider spec than sata[02:38:27] <geist> as far as signalling[02:38:39] <geist> so if both ends are esata compliant, then they're sata compliant[02:38:45] <geist> and probably a lot of sata stuff will work fine with esata[02:39:20] <geist> my case here has an external esata connector that just has a cable to an internal sata connector on the mobo[02:39:26] <geist> haven't tried plugging anything into it, but no doubt it works fine[02:39:31] <judgen> im getting old.. but im a proponant of EIDE[02:39:48] <geist> god, sata + port multipliers == great[02:39:48] <gordonjcp> IDE was good[02:39:58] <gordonjcp> you could implement IDE with any parallel port[02:40:05] <judgen> also why cant you on most bioses set the IDE channel as true master=[02:40:05] <geist> and the newer host controllers (AHCI at least) supports it[02:40:07] <gordonjcp> geist: port multipliers, eh?[02:40:30] <geist> newer versions of host controllers support the signalling to be able to handle sata hubs[02:40:31] <gordonjcp> is that just like a SATA hub?[02:40:35] <geist> yup[02:40:54] <geist> it's a low level transport layer that the host controller itself needs to support[02:40:56] <gordonjcp> so I can hang multiple disks off one SATA controller port...[02:40:58] <geist> AHCI for example supports it[02:40:59] <geist> yep[02:41:03] <gordonjcp> hmmm[02:41:08] <gordonjcp> this I must investigate[02:41:16] <judgen> AHCI increases boot time ALOT[02:41:23] <gordonjcp> I'm about to build a storage array for ATAoE[02:41:33] <gordonjcp> (does haiku have ATAoE yet?)[02:41:36] <geist> at the store i saw a nice 4 bay external disk box with one esata connector[02:41:48] <geist> provided your host supports port multipler, you get 4 drives when you plug it in[02:41:58] <judgen> geist: its just the same at the usb devices.[02:42:05] <geist> yep, pretty much[02:42:10] <judgen> but simpler for the manufacturer[02:42:18] <geist> well, far fasters is really the deal[02:42:21] <judgen> no conversion layer[02:42:35] <geist> with real NCQ it should be able to get nice throughput[02:42:43] <geist> and all the modern stuff supports NCQ[02:43:46] <judgen> a 1tb disk in sweden now costs 90eur. but i dont see thr point. As piracy is sentenced without trial.[02:44:04] <judgen> isnt thet distrubing?[02:44:06] * gordonjcp has 1tb of unedited audio, from a couple of months of non-work[02:44:37] <gordonjcp> if I was *seriously* music-geeking I could piss through a terabyte of disk in a week[02:44:44] <gordonjcp> easily[02:45:42] <geist> plus from a performance point of view, the higher density disks are typically faster, more bits flying under the head at a time[02:45:48] <gordonjcp> yup[02:46:04] <geist> and storing the same amount of data on a larger disk can tend to cram it a little closer together[02:46:13] <geist> so you get better seek times (though that's really kind of false)[02:46:14] <judgen> the reason most people buy a 1tb disk is "putting shit others made on it" but if the record industryś argument works then it will be cheapers very sonn.[02:46:17] <gordonjcp> considering that most of the musicy things I do sound like a broken drum machine being abducted by aliens, I'm surprised I can generate so much of it so quickly[02:46:32] <geist> and in general having an unfilled file system is more efficient, since the fs has more free block runs to pick from[02:46:42] <geist> of course if you're using windows, it'll just cram it all together and get fragmented anyway...[02:47:01] <geist> judgen: we're not biting the bait[02:47:42] <gordonjcp> http://www.gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/deltafex.ogg <- I have hundreds of gigabytes of stuff that sounds like this[02:47:54] <judgen> geist: im not offering bait.[02:49:25] <gordonjcp> http://www.gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/nekodemo.mp3 <- want to port the plugins used on that for Cortex ;-)[02:49:27] <judgen> can a filesystem be done thats so f**ked up that noone can read it. Even the -NSA[02:49:44] <judgen> without a password[02:49:47] <gordonjcp> judgen: what would the point be?[02:49:58] <gordonjcp> you could write /dev/urandom to a disk[02:50:19] <judgen> gordonjcp: oh ok, youve not read up on european law recently[02:50:19] <gordonjcp> no-one would be able to make sense of that[02:50:39] <gordonjcp> judgen: uhm, do you know where I live?[02:50:41] <judgen> gordonjcp: the guy holding the key can[02:50:46] <gordonjcp> okay[02:50:53] <gordonjcp> so that would be a password, then[02:51:09] <gordonjcp> or passphrase at any rate[02:51:30] <judgen> or a fingerprint. as long as it safe[02:51:56] <stpere> with a warrant, I bet they could force you to give your password[02:52:00] <judgen> at the moment, if you steal my disk, youcan read it.[02:52:04] <gordonjcp> stpere: doesn't matter[02:52:11] <stpere> refusing would be an infraction[02:52:17] <gordonjcp> stpere: with a length of rubber hose and an afternoon in the cells, they don't *need* your password[02:52:20] <judgen> only my home folder id encypted[02:52:22] <stpere> so, you end up in jail anyway :P[02:52:29] <ulterior_modem> at that point they could just ask your provider :P[02:52:42] <judgen> they SHOULD need my password[02:52:46] * gordonjcp finds it easiest not to keep illegal shit lying around in public[02:53:22] * geist waterboards judgen[02:53:37] <gordonjcp> it's one of the things that pisses me off about people going "ZOMG YOU LIVE IN THE UK THAT'S GOT LIKE A MILLION CAMERAS WATCHING EVERYONE ALL THE TIME!!1!!!11!one!11"[02:53:53] <judgen> gordonjcp: have you read all liscences of all apps youve installed outside the GLP?[02:53:56] <gordonjcp> 1) the figures for CCTV cameras in the UK was pulled out of a tabloid journalist's arse[02:54:09] <gordonjcp> judgen: yes[02:54:21] <judgen> gordonjcp: how old are you?[02:54:30] <gordonjcp> judgen: I only have GPL, BSD, Mozilla and Apache-licenced software on my machine[02:54:34] <gordonjcp> judgen: is that relevant?[02:54:43] <judgen> yes[02:54:44] <stpere> judgen: you do realize you are actually FREE to not use them? :)[02:54:51] * gordonjcp is probably somewhat above the median age of this channel#[02:55:17] <stpere> there is always a decline button somewhere..[02:55:31] <judgen> stpere: not really. Im forced to use prop software to keep my job, thus providing for my family.[02:55:53] <gordonjcp> getting back to the "surveillance society" thing, I find it's pretty easy to avoid doing illegal stuff out in public with people watching[02:55:55] <judgen> stpere: but no, i could quit[02:56:10] <aljen> damn `supernatural` is crazy, dean has an angel chick, and sam a demon lol[02:56:21] <gordonjcp> if I want to, for example, remove the fire safety tag from a sofa cushion, I do it in the house, not out in the street[02:56:32] <stpere> so, you are making money with that software.. right?[02:56:45] <stpere> what's the issue again?[02:56:48] <judgen> gordonjcp: the patriot act enabled most nations to do the same, but with more stuff in it.[02:57:01] <gordonjcp> judgen: sucks to be you. I'm able to make money without proprietary software[02:57:11] <gordonjcp> come to that, I can make a living without any kind of software *at all*[02:57:19] <gordonjcp> <shrug>[02:57:22] <gordonjcp> ymmv[02:58:01] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[02:58:37] <judgen> im not afraid of the muslims, they are not the terrorists you want. The terrorists are the bankers that sold wealth to latvians without security.[02:59:06] <stpere> hmm, ok, you lost me :)[02:59:12] <judgen> gordonjcp: i used to be a mechanic back in the days.[02:59:23] <judgen> industrial[02:59:44] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[02:59:52] <judgen> now im an engineer, but i was happier then.[03:00:25] <gordonjcp> judgen: I don't know any Muslim terrorists. I know plenty of Christian terrorists, but that's because I live in a part of the world with a lot of sectarian violence[03:00:47] <gordonjcp> also I suspect many of the Muslims around here are probably not the same as the raving jihadi crazies[03:01:07] <gordonjcp> in much the same way that many of the decent Christians I know round here aren't like Fred Phelps[03:01:28] <gordonjcp> judgen: case in point, names changed to protect the batshit insane[03:01:29] <judgen> gordonjcp: all religious people has irrational beliefs, as long as its peaceful. I Wellcome them.[03:02:29] <gordonjcp> my mate who has a name as stereotypically Muslim as Mohammed (but that's not his real name) put a whole pig aside in his freezer at his farm shop for me[03:02:33] <judgen> in a country with 88% atheists we might need some spiritualism.[03:03:01] <stpere> I disagree[03:03:15] <stpere> that is the society's cancer IMO[03:03:25] <gordonjcp> because money is a bit tight for him right now, so he couldn't afford to pay me for doing a set of brake pads and suspension bushes on his boyfriend (name changed again but approximately like...) Isaac's car[03:04:04] <gordonjcp> granted, they are about as atypical of their respective cultures as you're going to get[03:04:14] <judgen> stpere: care to elaborate?[03:04:22] <gordonjcp> we all live in a cosmopolitan world[03:04:34] <stpere> yes, I think we shouldn't turn to spiritualism[03:04:44] <stpere> because the right values aren't tied to spirit[03:04:51] <stpere> like.. help to the other[03:04:54] <stpere> generosity[03:05:08] <stpere> etc.., they don't have anything to do with a soul or anything[03:05:09] <judgen> gordonjcp: no we dont, we in the northern hemisphere do.+australia and SF[03:05:14] <stpere> IMO[03:05:30] <gordonjcp> oh well[03:05:32] * gordonjcp -> bed[03:05:57] <gordonjcp> stpere: arguably they *are* spiritual, but the term has been hijacked by the religious types[03:06:00] <judgen> argentina is the only country that is even closed to be called an A country[03:06:39] <stpere> well, atheist it great to me, don't relly on god's existence to do good[03:06:50] <stpere> is great*[03:07:05] <stpere> atheist isn't evil[03:07:25] <judgen> most hinduś and buddhists are in fact atheists[03:07:50] <judgen> pacifism i evil though![03:07:58] <stpere> and they are less worse then :)[03:08:43] <stpere> it's kindof a religion also :P[03:08:53] <judgen> im impressed every week with the show "are you smarter than a 5th grader"[03:09:29] <judgen> is people that ignorant even allowed to walk?[03:09:43] <stpere> you would be surprised :)[03:09:52] *** geist has left #haiku[03:10:07] <judgen> assylum is my first thought. but probably not needed.[03:10:08] <stpere> I saw ppl make typos in the french equivalent to hello[03:10:18] <judgen> HAH[03:10:21] <stpere> and make that typo twice[03:10:26] <stpere> so it wasn't an accident[03:10:37] <judgen> seriously[03:10:39] <judgen> ?[03:10:43] <stpere> yes[03:11:07] <judgen> have you watched the show?[03:11:45] <stpere> once[03:12:19] <pyCube__> my kids have (outdated) shirts that read "I'm smarter than the president".. heh[03:12:29] <judgen> it deffinitly shows a bad side of americe. LOL like they wouldnt know the differences between a liter and pounf.[03:12:36] <judgen> pounf*[03:12:39] <judgen> darn[03:12:43] <judgen> pound[03:12:58] <pyCube__> judgen: thats nothing[03:13:19] <pyCube__> i have heard people say things like "is the moon a star?"[03:13:26] <pyCube__> adults, not children[03:13:37] <gordonjcp> judgen: I used to teach English to exchange students, to get a bit of extra beer money at college[03:14:04] <judgen> i know the first strange thing is that a pound is a measurement of wieght, whilst liter is about volume. ALL the kids got it right[03:14:12] <gordonjcp> judgen: a lot of American students pretty much needed a Basic Literacy course, and this was for people coming from high-end degree courses across the pond[03:14:49] <pyCube__> the american education system (pre university) is stunningly broken[03:15:09] <gordonjcp> pyCube__: from my limited experience, particularly in privately-funded schools[03:16:07] <gordonjcp> I mean we're talking about people in 2nd year of university, supposedly doing engineering degrees, and they are struggling to read at UK secondary school level[03:16:16] <pyCube__> yeah[03:16:22] <judgen> i know i ive got no right to complain about thr US educational system.[03:16:31] <gordonjcp> "The Catcher In The Rye" was getting to be on the tough side for some of them[03:16:39] <pyCube__> there is almost nothing in the way of english taught until university[03:16:43] <gordonjcp> tbh I didn't understand much of it, either[03:16:45] <judgen> but we are to 12% dependant on US imports[03:16:54] <pyCube__> no real grammar, etc[03:16:57] <gordonjcp> I thought it was shite[03:17:14] <gordonjcp> ... but, it was on the curriculum[03:17:14] <pyCube__> catcher in the rye is a pretty lame book, imho[03:17:22] <gordonjcp> tell you what is a lame book[03:17:25] *** nibble has quit IRC[03:17:25] <pyCube__> overrated anyway[03:17:26] <gordonjcp> Atlas Shrugged[03:17:32] <pyCube__> that too[03:17:37] <gordonjcp> it's the only book I've *ever* in my entire life thrown out[03:17:48] <gordonjcp> I've donated books I didn't like to charity shops[03:17:49] <pyCube__> rynd can f-off[03:17:51] <pyCube__> heh[03:18:03] <gordonjcp> or given them to people that I thought might like them, or might get more out of it than I did[03:18:15] <gordonjcp> but Atlas Shrugged was a fat book of impenetrable nonsense from end to end[03:18:25] <gordonjcp> and I want the six weeks it took to get through back[03:18:28] <judgen> gordonjcp: is this due to the teachers or dumbing down the education to get an industrial working populace?[03:18:36] <gordonjcp> judgen: no idea[03:18:39] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[03:18:49] <gordonjcp> judgen: basically I think it's schools "teaching to the test"[03:18:51] *** ulterior_modem has quit IRC[03:18:51] <pyCube__> its that whole "its soo good/deep that you'll think you dont get it..but its really a masterpiece"[03:19:08] <judgen> gordonjcp: thats AWFUL![03:19:08] <gordonjcp> pyCube__: oh I got it[03:19:15] *** ulterior_modem has joined #Haiku[03:19:24] <gordonjcp> it's a lot of onanistic selfish crap[03:19:51] <gordonjcp> frankly Ayn Rand would have benefitted from a tin of beer, a line of speed, and a good shag[03:19:54] <judgen> gordonjcp: pleasy tell me that funding in the US isnt based on test scores like in vietnam?[03:20:04] <gordonjcp> judgen: no idea, I don't teach in the US[03:20:10] <gordonjcp> judgen: come to that, I don't teach at all now[03:20:14] <pyCube__> judgen: the system here is more concerned with advancement on paper.. shoving kids through a system that they can chart.. rather then building understanding and actual knowledge[03:20:21] <gordonjcp> right, I'm off to bed[03:20:31] <gordonjcp> nn haikunauts[03:20:32] <judgen> gordonjcp: wherer do you live, dont say italy..[03:20:37] <pyCube__> judgen: it is.. schools are funded based on test scores and student attendance[03:20:59] <judgen> pyCube__ that is sick[03:21:02] <pyCube__> so the shittier a school does, the less funding it gets, making it shittier[03:21:15] <judgen> pyCube__ definitly[03:21:42] <judgen> pyCube__: if a school does badly they get more funding.....[03:21:43] <pyCube__> and all the people that can afford to do so put their kids in priv schools, which reduces funds coming into tpuplic schools[03:21:47] <aurynn> It's one of those negative feedback loops that, somehow, administrators can't see.[03:22:00] <aurynn> I suspect it is because administrators are idiots.[03:22:12] <pyCube__> making pub schools more shitty and making more peopel want to put their kids in priv schools[03:22:21] <pyCube__> its a LAME circle of dumb[03:22:34] <judgen> pyCube__ but you dont have private schools in the pre years?[03:23:10] <pyCube__> and worse.. people pass laws that allow people who dont have kids in public school to NOT pay taxes that'd otherwsie go into schools[03:23:20] <pyCube__> how f'ing selfish and shortsighted is that?![03:23:29] <judgen> Then i understand what the congerssmen talk about the academic gap.[03:23:34] <pyCube__> judgen: yes, there are private school at all levels[03:24:18] <pyCube__> my wife works at a public school SMACK in the middle of one of the most affluent areas on earth[03:24:25] <pyCube__> the school is a total shithole[03:24:31] <pyCube__> no money at all[03:24:46] <pyCube__> they have to be penicl and paper nazis because they dont have money to replace them[03:25:05] <pyCube__> its absolutely unbelievable[03:25:31] <pyCube__> the reason is that all the well off fuckwads put their kids in private schools..[03:25:31] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[03:25:34] <judgen> Isnt it prooven that centalistic basic shooling leads to standardization in the basic expectations of companies.[03:27:11] <judgen> and that is mostly a good thing afaik[03:27:32] *** rcjsuen_ has joined #haiku[03:27:55] <judgen> memorization is also the worst learning method[03:28:07] <pyCube__> its not learning[03:28:17] <pyCube__> learning in the context of understanding i mean[03:28:38] <pyCube__> a tape recorder can "learn" by sheer memorization..[03:28:45] <pyCube__> yet you wouldnt call it smart[03:30:54] <pyCube__> tests here are more about "what date did event X happen?" than they are "why is event X important and how did it effect event Y?"[03:31:07] <pyCube__> to be broad generalizationy[03:31:13] <pyCube__> heh[03:31:56] <pyCube__> rote facts vs usable understanding[03:34:19] <judgen> the most interesting answers are the contrafactic historical ones.[03:34:45] <judgen> like "what would you do if you had 10 million dollars"[03:35:14] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[03:35:26] <judgen> there you see the persons tru character.[03:35:38] <pyCube__> i always thought that if i taught history, i'd ask questions like "tell me why we should bother studying wwII?" rather than all sorts of stupid factoidy nonsense[03:36:35] <judgen> ww2 is so self explanatory, you should have tried the 30 years war instead. like in a play doing both sides and such[03:37:00] <judgen> it did decide all os europes fate afterall.[03:37:04] <judgen> of[03:37:20] <pyCube__> specific war aside.. hehe..[03:38:16] <judgen> i bet most americans dont know about that one... the one that gave rights to personal religion when the protestant king died 1648.[03:38:50] <judgen> he died in the fog in battle of lützen[03:39:28] <pyCube__> all sorts of "x years war"s in euro history[03:39:37] <judgen> yes[03:39:40] <pyCube__> i always thought it was funny[03:39:49] <pyCube__> just call the war by the duration[03:40:00] <judgen> but the point isnt the year, but rahter what they accomplished?[03:40:14] <pyCube__> sure[03:41:16] <judgen> they decimated germany though as an bi-effect.[03:41:20] *** ZeroXp has joined #haiku[03:41:32] *** AnEvilYak has left #haiku[03:42:00] <judgen> wonder what it would be like if the hansa still hold monopoly on trade on all seaports[03:42:20] <pyCube__> hehe[03:42:29] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[03:42:50] <judgen> must been hell for danish traders...[03:43:43] <judgen> another amusgin one is "what if timur lenk wouldt have turned to islam"[03:44:40] <pyCube__> i always wondered "what if scandinavians would have made more permanent settlements in america and relations with native americans?"[03:44:50] <judgen> what do one need mp3 for anymore btw... imlistening to di.fm and its great.[03:45:13] <pyCube__> maybe i am wrong, but i see norse/native american realtions going a bit smoother than catholic/native[03:45:25] <pyCube__> for some reason.. *shrug*[03:47:40] <judgen> pyCube__: probably as the norse was not conquerors, rather traders and in the worst care plunderors. The indians didnt have cloisters and large cities...[03:47:54] <judgen> case[03:48:08] <judgen> nothing to plunder[03:48:27] <pyCube__> speaking of euro/indian relations.. the orson scott card book "pastwatch" is pretty cool[03:48:42] <judgen> url?[03:49:22] <pyCube__> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastwatch:_The_Redemption_of_Christopher_Columbus[03:49:52] <judgen> i watched the documentary of VISASAT History on the "winning chieftains" they did indeed win the wars but they didnt win in total.[03:50:25] <judgen> One chieftain was perticularly intersesting fo mr[03:51:49] <judgen> Pontiac was his name i think[03:52:06] <judgen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Pontiac[03:52:34] <judgen> axe in the back for saving your people... i dont think so.[03:53:00] <judgen> he has to have to do something.[03:53:45] <judgen> ok im off to do nothing...[03:54:46] <judgen> /nicj judgawa[03:54:52] <judgen> /nick judgawa[03:55:26] *** M199 has joined #haiku[03:55:34] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[03:56:39] *** ZeroXp has quit IRC[04:00:49] *** oco has quit IRC[04:04:30] *** Master199 has quit IRC[04:06:01] *** pyCube__ has quit IRC[04:07:50] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[04:08:39] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[04:36:05] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[04:58:24] *** mvfranz has quit IRC[05:17:39] *** evdubs has joined #haiku[05:18:05] *** Disreali_away is now known as Disreali[05:26:39] *** rcjsuen_ has quit IRC[05:39:33] *** fcr has joined #haiku[06:02:26] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[06:04:01] *** fcr_ has joined #haiku[06:04:39] *** Carbamide has joined #haiku[06:05:03] <Carbamide> Good evening[06:06:12] *** Karurosu has joined #haiku[06:08:08] *** fcr has quit IRC[06:09:43] <mmadia> greets[06:18:07] <Maya-sama> hi[06:20:03] *** fcr_ is now known as fcr[06:31:20] *** mmadia has quit IRC[06:31:51] *** justen has quit IRC[06:32:30] <Disreali> I was just poking around the common and found boot/common/settings/network/services file which semms to start telnetd and ftpd. Am I reading the file correctly?[06:35:57] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[06:40:32] *** kmargar has joined #haiku[06:56:51] *** markos_ has quit IRC[06:58:20] *** dwarfyperson has joined #haiku[06:59:30] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[07:01:01] *** Fainto has quit IRC[07:02:39] *** redblue has quit IRC[07:05:55] *** thotypous has quit IRC[07:05:56] *** Gaap has joined #haiku[07:07:41] *** redblue has joined #haiku[07:08:18] <CIA-15> mmadia * r295 /haikuports/trunk/www-client/netsurf/NetSurf.OptionalPackageDescription:[07:08:18] <CIA-15> ".OptionalPackageDescription" file for NetSurf. This is to be edited, renamed[07:08:18] <CIA-15> to ".OptionalPackageDescription", and included in .zips that are intended to be[07:08:18] <CIA-15> a Haiku OptionalPackage.[07:15:44] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[07:18:38] <CIA-15> mmadia * r296 /haikuports/trunk/dev-libs/ (openssl openssl/OpenSSL.OptionalPackageDescription):[07:18:38] <CIA-15> ".OptionalPackageDescription" file for OpenSSL. This is to be edited, renamed[07:18:38] <CIA-15> to ".OptionalPackageDescription", and included in .zips that are intended to be[07:18:38] <CIA-15> a Haiku OptionalPackage.[07:18:56] *** Gaap has quit IRC[07:30:20] *** hugen_ has joined #haiku[07:30:25] <hugen_> hey[07:32:44] *** aljen has quit IRC[07:38:06] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[07:52:26] *** prOSy has joined #haiku[07:54:48] *** procton has joined #haiku[07:55:32] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[07:58:48] *** HaiColon has joined #haiku[08:03:18] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[08:04:43] *** Karurosu has quit IRC[08:06:01] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[08:10:47] *** mmadia has quit IRC[08:18:53] *** evdubs has quit IRC[08:22:08] *** DraX has joined #haiku[08:22:37] <DraX> is there an emacs port?[08:28:30] <dwarfyperson> start one[08:28:32] <dwarfyperson> I[08:28:41] <dwarfyperson> m certain there is one for beOS r5[08:28:47] <dwarfyperson> check if it works[08:29:59] <HaiColon> DraX: http://bebits.com/app/3000 it's XEmacs, not GNU Emacs (but there aren't that many differences I think) and from what I heard it doesn't work on Haiku, haven't tried it myself though.[08:30:14] <DraX> these days gnu emacs is the way to go[08:31:17] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[08:31:33] <HaiColon> Possibly, I'm a Vim user so I don't know much about it :)[08:32:51] <DraX> i wonder if the patches for that are even vaguely near mergeable at this point[08:32:55] <DraX> that must be sooo bitrotted[08:33:48] <DraX> oh the patch 404s[08:33:49] <DraX> yay![08:43:35] <JonathanThompson> !yay[08:45:47] <DraX> that too[08:46:23] <JonathanThompson> Dsylexia FTW![08:46:27] <JonathanThompson> :D[08:47:09] <JonathanThompson> (Yes, spelling dyslexia that way was intentional ;) )[08:47:46] <DraX> one would hope[08:49:25] <JonathanThompson> Well, such things aren't always intentional, even though I'm a far better speller than most.[08:49:46] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[08:57:07] *** kmargar is now known as markos_[08:58:37] *** Karurosu has joined #haiku[08:58:38] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[09:07:13] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[09:09:02] *** aguent has joined #haiku[09:10:09] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[09:10:56] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[09:30:44] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[09:34:25] *** wackymacs has joined #haiku[09:35:40] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[09:38:18] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[09:38:27] *** sugar3 has joined #haiku[09:40:10] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[09:47:05] *** M199 is now known as Master199[10:00:21] *** sugar3 has quit IRC[10:06:22] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[10:11:30] <gordonjcp> judgen: Scotland[10:18:30] <expensivelesbian> is XEMacs the editor of choice for Haiku?[10:19:14] *** prOSy has left #haiku[10:19:20] <mmadia> PE ProgrammersEditor or StyledEdit[10:27:32] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[10:30:39] *** mmadia has quit IRC[10:33:11] <expensivelesbian> OK, I'll try PE again. 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I'm sorry I'm not much help on this, I didn't make note of the bug number.[19:07:30] <Carbamide> I build from svn[19:07:36] <Carbamide> s/bug/build/[19:07:42] <Carbamide> gcc 2[19:08:25] *** plfiorini_ has joined #haiku[19:09:19] <mmadia> Carbamide : is this a single or SMP machine, real install or emulated, .... ?[19:11:25] <Anarchos> umccullough i thought of pdflatex which needs libnet.so :/[19:12:52] <umccullough> Anarchos, not sure i understand the problem - it should run on Haiku, right?[19:16:02] <Anarchos> umccullough i am on beos R5.0.3+Bone, and wonder how to use it...[19:16:48] <umccullough> i thought R5 BONE allowed you to run net_server apps still[19:16:55] *** thotypous has quit IRC[19:16:59] <umccullough> doesn't it provide a net_server compat layer as well?[19:19:09] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[19:24:04] <Carbamide> mmadia: single, real[19:29:00] <mmadia> R5Bone does allow that.[19:31:15] *** hisoka999 has joined #haiku[19:33:07] *** koo5 has joined #haiku[19:33:41] <Disreali> I was poking around the common last night and found boot/common/settings/network/services file which seems to start telnetd and ftpd. Am I reading the file correctly?[19:34:02] <umccullough> http://www.teamhaiku.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=182&Itemid=2[19:34:17] <Disreali> isn't that unsafe?[19:34:25] <umccullough> unsafe for a pre-alpha OS?[19:34:46] <umccullough> if you're not running it behind a firewall... then sure :)[19:35:38] <umccullough> otherwise, it can be pretty useful for debugging/development[19:36:05] <umccullough> i actually don't think those are loaded by services[19:36:11] <umccullough> i think that's just the port specification[19:36:51] <umccullough> just tells the netstack to allow those ports to listen[19:36:59] <umccullough> if you ps | grep ftpd you won't find anything running[19:37:00] *** Hugen_ has joined #haiku[19:37:23] <Hugen_> re[19:37:34] <umccullough> Hugen_, http://www.teamhaiku.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=182&Itemid=2[19:38:53] <Hugen_> umccullough: thx, I testing this when fixing net in Haiku;)[19:40:10] <stpere> umccullough: I might join teamhaiku :)[19:40:23] <umccullough> stpere, only if you don't mind cooking computers! :D[19:40:28] <stpere> someone know off hand what is the define to add to use the new ATA stack?[19:40:34] <stpere> umccullough: lol[19:40:38] <umccullough> USE_ATA_STACK = 1[19:40:50] <stpere> thanks[19:40:57] <umccullough> you can grep HaikuImage to see that[19:41:12] <umccullough> grep ATA_ONLY build/jam/HaikuImage[19:41:18] <umccullough> should show it to you i think[19:41:26] <umccullough> oh, except that's on a separate line :/[19:44:54] *** The_Ringmaster has joined #haiku[19:49:22] *** andguent_ has joined #haiku[19:49:55] *** Mixer is now known as mixerr[19:49:57] *** mixerr is now known as Mixerr[19:54:43] <gordonjcp> what's the difference with the new ATA stack?[19:55:00] <mmadia> it's new ;)[19:55:11] * mmadia couldn't resist.[19:55:16] <stpere> :)[19:55:40] <mmadia> gordonjcp : this may help :http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/R1/Alpha1Proposals#Prop12:ATAvs.IDEbusmanager[19:56:18] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[19:58:09] *** Mixerr is now known as Mixer[19:58:24] *** Mixer is now known as Mixerr[19:59:27] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[20:00:17] *** Mixerr is now known as Mixer[20:00:32] *** Mixer is now known as Mixerr[20:01:04] *** Mixerr is now known as Mixer[20:02:12] *** aguent has quit IRC[20:03:54] <gordonjcp> mmadia: I take it the two issues mentioned have been sorted?[20:05:06] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[20:07:43] <mmadia> i'm not sure if the ATA stack is 100% complete though.[20:09:23] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[20:14:42] *** koo5 has quit IRC[20:22:38] *** Svarthandske has joined #haiku[20:22:48] *** plfiorini_ has quit IRC[20:23:39] <umccullough> afaict, the new ata stack is just as complete as the ide stack[20:27:55] <CIA-15> bonefish * r30682 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/debuganalyzer/gui/table/ (7 files): Pulled common base class AbstractTable out of Table and TreeTable.[20:29:21] *** vegeek has joined #haiku[20:30:54] *** odites has joined #haiku[20:32:23] *** paul0 has quit IRC[20:32:27] *** Mixer is now known as Mixerr[20:32:36] *** Barrett666_ has joined #haiku[20:33:00] *** rcjsuen_ has joined #haiku[20:33:56] *** andguent_ is now known as andguent[20:34:46] *** odites has left #haiku[20:36:59] *** mmadia has quit IRC[20:37:20] *** euank has joined #haiku[20:38:32] *** vinduv has joined #haiku[20:44:49] <CIA-15> bonefish * r30683 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):[20:44:49] <CIA-15> * Introduced methods ResizeColumnToPreferred() and[20:44:49] <CIA-15> ResizeAllColumnsToPreferred().[20:44:49] <CIA-15> * Automatic white space cleanup.[20:45:30] <CIA-15> bonefish * r30684 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/debuganalyzer/gui/table/ (AbstractTable.cpp AbstractTable.h): Added ResizeColumnToPreferred() and ResizeAllColumnsToPreferred().[20:45:40] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[20:46:14] <CIA-15> bonefish * r30685 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/debuganalyzer/gui/ (3 files in 2 dirs): After setting the model resize the table columns to their preferred sizes.[20:46:36] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[20:48:09] *** rcjsuen__ has quit IRC[20:48:54] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[20:53:17] *** rcjsuen_ is now known as rcjsuen[20:56:31] *** nibble has joined #haiku[20:58:59] *** euank has left #haiku[21:00:00] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[21:00:10] *** nibble has quit IRC[21:00:50] *** vinduv has quit IRC[21:01:01] *** vinduv has joined #haiku[21:01:43] *** vinduv has quit IRC[21:04:32] *** euank has joined #haiku[21:04:36] *** euank has left #haiku[21:06:02] *** leszek has joined #haiku[21:06:21] <leszek> re[21:12:09] *** Vorador has joined #haiku[21:13:23] *** Barrett666_ has quit IRC[21:13:36] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[21:14:37] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[21:17:19] <Disreali> does haiku have a working ntp client?[21:17:59] <Disreali> hi leszek[21:21:22] *** Gaap has quit IRC[21:30:02] *** VinDuv_ has joined #haiku[21:38:34] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[21:41:08] *** jonathanbthompso has joined #Haiku[21:41:37] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[21:41:50] *** jonathanbthompso is now known as JonathanThompson[21:42:31] * JonathanThompson moos[21:43:45] <Disreali> moo[21:49:03] *** vegeek has quit IRC[21:58:58] *** miqlas has quit IRC[22:00:17] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[22:00:53] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[22:01:30] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[22:06:55] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[22:09:28] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[22:13:25] *** adamk has quit IRC[22:17:24] <CIA-15> kirilla * r30686 /haiku/trunk/src/data/beos_mime/application/ (16 files): Adding URL mime types. 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