May 8, 2009 
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May 8, 2009 [00:07:49] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[00:08:43] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[00:08:49] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #haiku[00:10:45] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[00:14:25] <CIA-15> mmlr * r30664 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/input/usb_hid/ (9 files): (log message trimmed)[00:14:25] <CIA-15> Adding a complete HID parser and report handling facility. This is generic code,[00:14:25] <CIA-15> so should be reusable for bluethooth HID as well (which is the same). The only[00:14:25] <CIA-15> missing part so far is the logical collections that would allow nicer[00:14:25] <CIA-15> enumeration of the report structure but is otherwise not useful. It should[00:14:28] <CIA-15> support all of the HID specs except for usage aliases (even long items that[00:14:30] <CIA-15> aren't actually defined should just work if they ever are). Not integrated into[00:16:51] *** sugar3 has joined #haiku[00:18:36] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[00:18:45] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[00:19:14] *** Karurosu_ is now known as Karurosu[00:20:46] <CIA-15> mmlr * r30665 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/input/usb_hid/ (9 files): Adding missing license headers.[00:29:17] *** luroh has quit IRC[00:34:27] *** MichaelDev has joined #haiku[00:35:21] *** MichaelDev is now known as Meh[00:35:30] *** Meh is now known as MichaelManley[00:44:01] *** Luposian has joined #haiku[00:44:23] <Luposian> Hiya... I gotta kinda interesting question...[00:45:32] <Luposian> Anyone know how many FPS you should expect in GLTeapot in BeOS R5 and/or Haiku on a 266MHz Pentium II on an Intel-brand Intel 440BX chipset motherboard?[00:46:11] <Luposian> I'm talking full screen, with Perspective on.[00:46:21] <stpere> hi Luposian[00:46:29] <adamk> Considering it's all software driven, it's going to be highly dependent on the CPU and what other processes you have running.[00:46:34] <JonathanThompson> However many the total system can handle, Luposian :P[00:46:41] <Luposian> Hiya, Stpere![00:46:56] <Luposian> Is your name/hand a variation of St. Peter?[00:47:13] <stpere> St. Pierre, french version of St. Peter[00:47:13] <Luposian> Hiya, JT![00:47:26] <JonathanThompson> Is your name/handle a variation of Loopy, Luposian ? ;)[00:47:27] <Luposian> Ah, ok... same diff. :-)[00:47:32] <JonathanThompson> Hi Luposian.[00:47:48] <Luposian> No, it's based on the root Italian for Wolf.[00:47:55] <Luposian> Lupo[00:48:05] <JonathanThompson> Had to ask for the sake of silliness :D[00:48:06] <Luposian> I just added the sian for fun...[00:48:30] <Luposian> But I've used this handle ever since the late 80's.[00:48:42] <Luposian> It's my last and final handle.[00:49:19] <stpere> I saw your post on skyos. :)[00:49:30] *** redblue has quit IRC[00:49:56] <Luposian> I originally called myself "Wolf". Then "Golden Bear", then "Idle Road Dog" (when I was using an XT, hence the name... since the computer was soooo slow)[00:50:29] <Luposian> I finally settled on Luposian when I became interested in wolves and werewolves.[00:51:06] <Luposian> And that's been my handle and "alter-persona" ever since.[00:51:20] <Luposian> But getting back to the original question...[00:51:55] *** subsidiarity has joined #haiku[00:52:58] <Luposian> Would you be surprised if I told you that, using a Celeron 700 (crippled Pentium III, as BeOS/Haiku both identify it as a Pentium III), I was getting a mere 2.2fps in GLTeapot at full screen with Perspective on?[00:53:35] <JonathanThompson> No.[00:53:41] <Luposian> Yet, get this... on a 266MHz Pentium II, on a 440BX chipset, I was getting 5fps at full-screen with Perspective on, in Haiku![00:53:53] <sugar3> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1010315/screenshot.png :P[00:54:14] <JonathanThompson> Between having a very small CPU cache, and not knowing what sort of video card tech you had, which might have been PCI and running under Vesa for all I know ;)[00:54:36] <Luposian> The video card is a AGP GeForce 3 Ti500[00:55:49] <Luposian> so, on a VASTLY slower, older CPU, I get significantlly faster framerate than I do on a much newer, more modern CPU on a newer Via chipset.[00:55:49] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[00:56:37] <Luposian> That doesn't make any sense to me, UNLESS the fact that Haiku doesn't know the chipset can actually choke (horribly) the actualy CPU performance.[00:57:37] <Luposian> The funny thing is, BeOS R5 PE (Wind distro) wasn't getting any better framerate on the BX chipset than the via one. But Haiku was...[00:58:21] <Luposian> I'm going to try to get the GENUINE BeOS R5 PE (unmodified) on the BX chipset, to see how the real BeOS handles things.[00:58:59] <Luposian> also disk performance in both BeOS and Haiku was utterly HORRIBLE! About 5Mbytes/sec. Seriously![00:59:18] <Clay_> ..it is alpha software[00:59:28] <Luposian> I can't believe the genuine BeOS would perform so horribly.[00:59:45] <Luposian> But I plan to find out...[01:00:32] <Luposian> Need a floppy drive, tho. Then I can install Win98SE and then BeOS R5 PE in that and then install BeOS R5 PE onto the second partition and THEN we'll see what the real deal is...[01:01:33] <Luposian> I ran BeOS R5 PE on a Pentium 233 (the original Pentium), even a Pentium 75 at one time... I don't remember any of this type of slowdown, like I'm seeing...[01:02:00] <Luposian> Anyone have any idea what chipsets/hardware Haiku fully supports?[01:02:23] <Luposian> Even as alpha, there HAS to be a list someone is compiling....[01:02:31] <Luposian> Er, pre-alpha...[01:03:02] <Luposian> Haiku runs great on my via-based Athlon XP 2000+ system. Good disk speed, too.[01:03:43] <mmadia> yes, i think google was.[01:03:52] <mmadia> ;)[01:03:58] <Luposian> Runs really nice (minus audio, even though it sees my HDA hardware) on my AMD Athlon64 X2 5000+ system. Great disk speed there too.[01:05:36] <Luposian> Anyone know what systems Haiku will be commented to work on completely and which ones not so good?[01:05:46] <pfoetchen> watching robots driving around trying to locate and push a wastebasket around is boring ...[01:06:14] <stpere> Luposian: huh, well, depends[01:06:27] <stpere> I don't have a crystal ball[01:06:32] <Luposian> To me, it's detrimental, to have BeOS run on older hardware and yet, in some aspects, runs so poorly as to make people think that Haiku STINKS.[01:06:37] <stpere> the major interrogation atm is regarding wifi[01:06:40] <Luposian> I mean Haiku...[01:07:14] <Luposian> That will be the net impression... and that's not going to be good for adoption, if people aren't warned well in advance of that...[01:07:40] <stpere> hmm, better yet, they warn us that it don't work and we fix it?[01:07:56] <stpere> we don't have every piece of hardware in the world[01:08:12] <stpere> especially older hardware[01:08:31] <stpere> see, I really don't know if it runs great on joe sixpack Pentium 75[01:08:37] <stpere> you see what I mean?[01:08:48] <stpere> with that SoundBlaster 16 ISA[01:08:58] <Luposian> Yes, but given the hardware developers DO have and the hardware other developers can get... shouldn't a list of "runs good" or "runs full speed" or whatever, be compiled?[01:09:28] <oco> luposian : just do it ![01:09:33] <stpere> yes[01:09:39] <Luposian> A list of hardware should be put together and updated as regularly as possible...[01:09:42] <stpere> that's a great project for a non coder[01:09:53] *** nibble has quit IRC[01:10:21] <Luposian> But even if I were to want to do that, I have to know what other people's findings are as well...[01:10:22] <stpere> I would hate to waste precious time of a core coder on that[01:10:44] <Luposian> You know... a collective effort to get a baseline...[01:11:40] <Luposian> My assumption, thus far, is that modern chipsets (Via, Intel, Pentium 4, AMD Athlon XP, etc.) are the ones most focused on right now...[01:11:56] <Luposian> Would that be a fair assessment?[01:12:04] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[01:12:38] <Luposian> Anything older than that is spotty, supported, but only to varying degrees.[01:13:03] *** subsidiarity has quit IRC[01:14:07] <Luposian> Thus, the baseline for "proper functionality" is to make sure you have either an AMD Athlon XP or Pentium 4 or greater for best results?[01:18:49] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[01:19:57] *** sugar3 has quit IRC[01:29:57] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[01:36:18][01:36:56] <stpere> for free? :)[01:36:57] <pfoetchen> I have no idea waht board they have since the guy I talked to did not know much about it but has it at home somwhere ;)[01:37:23] <pfoetchen> I have to give it back sometimes.. but he does not need it now...[01:37:27] <mmadia> pfoetchen : in addition to the gumstix/beagleboard?[01:37:54] <pfoetchen> yep ;) haiku on navigon navigation systems ;)[01:38:14] <pfoetchen> but I have no idea whats on it...[01:39:15] <pfoetchen> he only said it's a 800mhz arm.. so it should not be to old...[01:39:48] *** redblue has joined #haiku[01:40:31] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[01:40:32] * aguent waves[01:40:44] <stpere> hey aguent[01:40:57] <mmadia> iirc, the gumstix is only a 600mhz[01:41:18] <mmu_man> pfoetchen nice[01:41:35] <mmu_man> mmadia well it's what my laptop is stuck to :p[01:41:43] *** hdanak has joined #haiku[01:41:49] * AnEvilYak plops mmu_man[01:42:00] <mmadia> mmu_man eh?[01:43:58] <mmu_man> if I don't lock it in BIOS it just always use the fan, and the hdd is the bottleneck anyway most of the tie[01:44:00] <mmu_man> time[01:44:17] <mmadia> ah[01:49:55] *** pyCube has quit IRC[01:50:38] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[02:00:20] <hdanak> i was trying to fix the shutdown font sensitivity bug (#169, not sure if someone already fixed it), but i can't figure out how to recreate the error[02:00:47] <hdanak> what makes it display more than one line[02:01:00] <AnEvilYak> an app blocking[02:01:11] <hdanak> any way to do that without accident[02:01:12] <AnEvilYak> like say, StyledEdit waiting for a save confirmation because you tried to close it without saving[02:01:18] <hdanak> oh ok[02:02:07] <hdanak> well, it doesn't, actually[02:02:12] <hdanak> it just closes the save window[02:02:35] <AnEvilYak> what do you mean?[02:02:55] <hdanak> it doesn't halt on the save window[02:02:59] <AnEvilYak> open StyledEdit, type some text, then go pick shutdown, it should block[02:03:00] <hdanak> or is that not what you meant[02:03:05] <hdanak> it just closes it[02:03:10] <AnEvilYak> that's...not right[02:03:22] <hdanak> mm[02:03:24] <AnEvilYak> come to think of it, I think there's a ticket about that[02:03:36] <AnEvilYak> for me, having firefox running when I try to shutdown triggers it pretty reliably[02:04:10] <BePhantom> hey, haiku stepping app, looks nice ;)[02:04:59] <BePhantom> it doesnt seem to work but hey, it's there :)[02:05:47] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[02:06:07] <hdanak> AnEvilYak: do you know if the shutdown font bug still exists?[02:06:23] <AnEvilYak> I can look, but afaik no one's fixed it[02:06:24] <hdanak> i think it would cut off part of the text when the font is too large[02:06:38] <AnEvilYak> gimme a sec, updating my in-Haiku tree right now[02:06:42] <hdanak> ok[02:07:14] <hdanak> since i wrote a one-line potential fix (which i doubt would do it), but i guess i now need firefox to test it[02:07:41] <AnEvilYak> I doubt a one liner would do it...most likely that window needs to be reworked to use the layout kit[02:08:18] <Luposian> Has anyone tried creating a modern schematic of a parallel port "sound card"? I'm tryin g to make sense of the one Earl Colby Pottinger did, but having trouble deciphering his images.[02:12:40] <hdanak> well, as far as i could tell, the problem was in BTextView (or the frame), so i did fTextView->MakeResizable(true);[02:12:40] <AnEvilYak> hdanak: hm...what fix did you have in mind?[02:13:03] <AnEvilYak> it's resizable by default though[02:13:09] <hdanak> hmm, ok nvm[02:13:10] <AnEvilYak> the constructor tries to size it large enough to fit two lines[02:13:28] <hdanak> oh, so it may indeed be a problem in the kit?[02:13:36] <AnEvilYak> hard to tell[02:13:43] <AnEvilYak> that code could really use being reworked with the layout kit though[02:13:58] <hdanak> well, it gives me something to play around with over the summer[02:14:13] <AnEvilYak> brb, gonna see if I can duplicate it[02:14:29] <AnEvilYak> yeah, still happens[02:14:30] <AnEvilYak> I wonder...[02:19:08] <hdanak> well, bezilla has an error doesn't open[02:19:26] <hdanak> do you know any other programs that can produce the effect?[02:19:30] <mmadia> hdanak : check Trac for that.[02:19:38] <mmadia> there might be a ticket open for it.[02:19:46] <mmadia> so far, i haven't seen it myself.[02:20:02] <hdanak> do you know any programs that can keep haiku from shutting down[02:20:08] <hdanak> like a save dialog[02:20:09] <AnEvilYak> mmadia: it's trivial here, set plain font size to 18 point, open bezillabrowser and put it in GMail, pick restart[02:20:45] <mmadia> AnEvilYak : i meant the bezilla error ;)[02:20:50] <AnEvilYak> oh[02:22:28] <hdanak> well, any other program that keeps it from shutting down?[02:23:22] *** knottnhupfer has joined #haiku[02:23:39] <mmadia> maybe vlc?[02:24:50] <mmu_man> vlc likes it[02:25:21] <mmu_man> Luposian it's a basic R/2R network[02:25:30] <AnEvilYak> brb[02:25:31] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[02:26:09] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[02:26:10] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[02:27:31] *** umccullough_w has joined #haiku[02:27:33] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[02:30:44] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[02:39:13] <umccullough_w> OMG, barking spiders in queensland![02:42:28] *** oxocoffee has joined #haiku[02:45:19] * JonathanThompson wants to kill someone[02:45:39] <stpere> me?[02:45:51] <JonathanThompson> Someone far more local.[02:46:02] * mmadia holds a mirror up for JonathanThompson[02:46:08] <mmadia> :P[02:46:12] * JonathanThompson notes it's not himself[02:46:40] * stpere reminds JonathanThompson about echelog[02:46:41] <mmadia> but, but, the guy in the mirror is mimicing you! it's insulting! :D[02:46:42] <stpere> :)[02:47:21] *** Luposian has quit IRC[02:47:36] <JonathanThompson> I just want to slap myself silly :/[02:49:14] <BePhantom> what's wrong JonathanThompson? :D[02:50:38] <stpere> night[02:50:43] *** oco has quit IRC[02:51:28] <BePhantom> our revoir stpere[02:57:46] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[02:57:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[02:57:49] *** BePhantom_ has joined #haiku[03:12:27] *** umccullough_w has quit IRC[03:14:59] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[03:18:40] *** koo5 has quit IRC[03:20:30] <CIA-15> bonefish * r30666 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/debuganalyzer/gui/chart/ (Chart.cpp Chart.h):[03:20:30] <CIA-15> Squashed TODO in Chart::_UpdateScrollBar(): We set both scroll bar range and[03:20:30] <CIA-15> value -- make sure to ignore feedback when setting the range (happens when the[03:20:30] <CIA-15> old value doesn't fit the range anymore). Fixes unexpected jumps when zooming[03:20:30] <CIA-15> out.[03:24:09] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[03:24:15] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[03:24:58] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[03:28:12] <Disreali_away> is there anywhere I can temporarily post an pic? like pastebin.com?[03:31:05] <mmadia> image.org[03:31:09] <mmadia> imagebin.org[03:32:02] <mmadia> though, http://www.imageshack.us/ may have a longer shelf life.[03:36:19] <BePhantom_> im not sure but you can erase your imageshack pictures if you have an account[03:37:25] <Disreali_away> Thanks. will try imagebin. I'd prefer not to be required to set up an account.[03:38:20] *** Rakhun|away has joined #haiku[03:38:57] <Disreali_away> oh well[03:39:08] <mmadia> ?[03:40:43] <Disreali_away> I was just testing how different apps handle large fonts and then reset the fonts to 'default', yet the menu in tracker and the shutdown menu still had large fonts. Has anyone seen this behavior?[03:43:59] <mmadia> i haven't tried lately.[03:48:04] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:49:24] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[03:52:35] *** M199 has joined #haiku[03:53:16] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[03:54:59] *** Master199 has quit IRC[04:05:02] *** Luposian has joined #haiku[04:05:53] *** Luposian has quit IRC[04:06:58] *** skar has joined #haiku[04:08:10] <CIA-15> bonefish * r30667 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/debuganalyzer/gui/chart/Chart.cpp: Invalidate() when removing a data source.[04:09:38] <CIA-15> bonefish * r30668 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/debuganalyzer/gui/ (ColorCheckBox.cpp ColorCheckBox.h Jamfile): A check box with a small color indicator.[04:11:18] <CIA-15> bonefish * r30669 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/debuganalyzer/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Added checkboxen for toggling the displayed data.[04:13:35] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[04:22:50] *** evocallaghan has joined #haiku[04:26:21] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[04:26:49] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[04:28:09] *** redblue has quit IRC[04:37:48] *** skar has left #haiku[04:42:16] *** umccullough_x has joined #haiku[04:50:52] *** knottnhupfer has quit IRC[04:53:46] *** knottnhupfer has joined #haiku[04:57:01] *** oxocoffee has quit IRC[04:59:57] *** knottnhupfer has quit IRC[05:03:05] <pyCube_> bunterlerly[05:03:08] <hdanak> Disreali_away: i think tracker only changes after you reboot[05:03:28] *** redblue has joined #haiku[05:05:21] <AnEvilYak> Disreali_away: apps don't currently detect font changes on the fly, you have to restart the app[05:05:30] <AnEvilYak> i.e. hey Tracker Quit ; /system/Tracker & from Terminal should update it[05:05:32] <AnEvilYak> ditto for Deskbar[05:06:01] *** pyronal has joined #haiku[05:06:22] <Disreali_away> thanks, I was trying to find out if I should submit a bug report[05:06:40] <pyronal> writing a haiku[05:06:42] <pyronal> is pretty easy to do[05:06:44] <pyronal> http://digg.com/d1qXI2[05:08:24] <pyCube_> no, i dont think so... people are far too stupid... to figure it out[05:09:25] <pyCube_> \n[05:09:27] <pyCube_> heh[05:09:37] <pyronal> pyCube->draw();[05:09:41] <pyronal> oh wait[05:09:47] <pyronal> does python have pointers[05:10:01] <pyCube_> sure[05:10:04] <pyronal> pyCube.draw();[05:10:08] <pyronal> that looks better[05:10:10] <pyronal> its been years[05:10:15] <pyCube_> yep[05:10:27] <pyronal> wait[05:10:31] <pyronal> python doesnt use ;[05:10:33] <pyronal> does it[05:10:48] <pyCube_> it can if you want to waste keystrokes[05:11:27] *** subsidiarity has joined #haiku[05:12:08] <pyCube_> ; wont break anything, is what i am trying to say[05:12:21] <pyronal> ah[05:14:24] <pyronal> http://digg.com/d1qXI2[05:14:26] <pyronal> bai[05:14:27] *** pyronal has left #haiku[05:18:04] *** subsidiarity has quit IRC[05:22:57] *** mib_vdlf2r has joined #haiku[05:23:05] *** aguent has quit IRC[05:23:09] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[05:25:21] *** mib_vdlf2r has quit IRC[05:26:25] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[05:28:06] *** BePhantom_ has quit IRC[05:33:40] *** 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joined #haiku[06:55:56] <umccullough_tv> wtf[06:56:57] <Hodapp> wtf[06:57:50] <umccullough_tv> what's with all the random trolling lately?[06:58:00] <Hodapp> what?[06:58:00] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[06:59:07] <umccullough_tv> and wtf is up with this richard jasmin guy who apparently doesn't know how to write an email, only how to reply to existing ones[06:59:36] <umccullough_tv> i'm starting to think the world is coming to an end[06:59:57] *** sprma has joined #haiku[07:05:36] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[07:07:03] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[07:09:11] *** fcr has quit IRC[07:09:33] *** fcr has joined #haiku[07:10:38] <geist> wtf![07:11:06] <MichaelManley> o.o[07:11:28] <pyCube_> ack![07:12:11] <geist> yes![07:12:50] *** sprma has quit IRC[07:13:52] *** Fainto has quit IRC[07:17:00] *** prOSy has joined #haiku[07:17:21] <prOSy> hi[07:18:40] *** umccullough_tv has quit IRC[07:20:19] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[07:21:39] *** umccullough_x has quit IRC[07:28:42] *** andreas_dr has 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redblue has quit IRC[10:46:06] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[10:46:48] *** expensivelesbian has quit IRC[10:48:18] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[10:48:31] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[10:50:16] *** M199 is now known as Master199[10:52:52] *** Deadmano has joined #haiku[10:53:52] <Teknomancer> morning[10:56:00] <Deadmano> Morning. :)[10:56:40] *** lordheavy has left #haiku[11:00:27] <Teknomancer> :)[11:07:09] *** Master199 has quit IRC[11:16:33] *** Bumphead has quit IRC[11:21:16] *** salvatore_ has joined #haiku[11:27:40] *** prOSy has left #haiku[11:34:45] *** nibble_ has joined #haiku[11:40:13] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[11:48:55] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[11:50:52] <CIA-15> stippi * r30671 /haiku/trunk/ (build/jam/HaikuImage src/add-ons/kernel/busses/Jamfile): (log message trimmed)[11:50:52] <CIA-15> * Currently, it's always supposed to be busses/ide. All the drivers there[11:50:52] <CIA-15> publish themselves in busses/ide, so you cannot just move them to busses/ata[11:50:52] <CIA-15> without changing that in the source as well. The object files are still built[11:50:52] <CIA-15> in the separate busses/ata under generated.[11:50:54] <CIA-15> * src/system/kernel/device_manager/device_manager.cpp also hardcodes[11:50:58] <CIA-15> busses/ide in two places.[11:52:43] *** nibble has quit IRC[12:08:34] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[12:11:54] <CIA-15> axeld * r30672 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/terminal/TermView.cpp:[12:11:54] <CIA-15> * Fixed a typo that prevented the right context menu copy action to work[12:11:54] <CIA-15> on directories. See ticket #3575.[12:13:42] *** senryu has joined #Haiku[12:19:40] *** Karurosu has quit IRC[12:24:12] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[12:31:23] *** thotypous has quit IRC[12:32:20] *** Deadmano has quit IRC[12:39:58] *** adamk has quit IRC[12:41:58] *** Xbertl has joined #haiku[12:45:50] *** sprma has joined #haiku[12:49:16] *** knottnhupfer has quit IRC[13:03:08] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #haiku[13:07:39] *** salvatore_ has quit IRC[13:10:13] *** salvatore_ has joined #haiku[13:15:42] *** Powelly has joined #haiku[13:18:40] *** kmargar has joined #haiku[13:30:30] *** HaiColon has quit IRC[13:34:54] *** Gaap has joined #haiku[13:40:06] *** kmargar is now known as markos_[13:47:53] *** sprma has quit IRC[13:50:30] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[14:00:40] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[14:05:25] *** pyCube__ has joined #haiku[14:08:53] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[14:18:18] *** mmlr has joined #haiku[14:18:34] <helf|laptop> morning[14:21:26] *** pyCube_ has quit IRC[14:21:50] <Teknomancer> morning helf|laptop[14:24:00] *** mmlr has quit IRC[14:31:43] <helf|laptop> " You need to put foolish fairy tails away and accept logic and reality that there is no God only Aliens."[14:31:57] <helf|laptop> lol... i really really really really hope this is a joke site that i stumbled upon[14:33:30] *** Karurosu has joined #haiku[14:34:55] <gordonjcp> helf|laptop: url?[14:35:44] <helf|laptop> oh, i miss read it. thats not his stance, but the one he thinks UFO "experts" are taking.[14:35:45] <helf|laptop> http://www.echoesofenoch.com/sideroom_time_travel_in_the_bible.htm[14:35:50] <helf|laptop> eitherway, its pretty funny[14:36:50] *** Carbamide has quit IRC[14:50:15] <helf|laptop> the number of assumptions these people make on sites like this are hilarious[14:57:53] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[15:00:41] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[15:01:07] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[15:01:24] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[15:01:32] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[15:01:57] <CIA-15> dlmcpaul * r30673 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/media/plugins/asf_reader/ (ASFFileReader.cpp ASFIndex.cpp asf_reader.cpp): They seek him here, they seek him there.[15:03:35] <helf|laptop> http://www.aintitcool.com/node/41002\[15:03:37] <helf|laptop> er[15:03:38] <helf|laptop> http://www.aintitcool.com/node/41002[15:03:44] <gordonjcp> helf|laptop: it's still pretty wacky[15:03:45] <helf|laptop> "One Eyed Monster" movie trailer :D[15:03:54] <helf|laptop> gordonjcp, yeah.[15:04:33] <helf|laptop> "psh, aliens, whatever. now take this extremely vague and can be translated multiple ways verse from the Bible. It CLEARLY is referring to blackholes and wormholes!!!11"[15:05:09] *** arigayas_away has quit IRC[15:05:16] <gordonjcp> my Dad once pointed out a verse in the bible that described, to a reader viewing with modern eyes, a helicopter flying and landing[15:05:23] <gordonjcp> wish I could remember where it is[15:05:32] <helf|laptop> probably somewhere like ezekiel[15:05:47] <helf|laptop> theres a lot of stuff in ezekiel that "seems" to refer to aliens and space travel pretty clearly :P[15:05:51] *** Powelly has left #haiku[15:06:03] <gordonjcp> I shared a flat with a guy whose father was a lay preacher, for a while[15:06:17] <gordonjcp> well, I didn't share a flat with him so much, but he hung out at ours all the time[15:06:27] <gordonjcp> great when JWs came calling[15:06:53] <gordonjcp> he'd sit there in his Slayer T-shirt and mercilessly strip apart their arguments[15:07:00] <helf|laptop> lol[15:07:04] <helf|laptop> nice[15:07:13] <helf|laptop> JW don't come by my house anymore. I dunno why ^_^[15:07:18] <gordonjcp> "No, I don't think you really understand that bit there properly, do you? Go and read <this bit>"[15:07:28] *** Barrett666_ has joined #haiku[15:08:39] *** arigayas has joined #haiku[15:13:28] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[15:17:29] <HeTo> oh great, I had two Youtube videos open in Firefox, and since one of them didn't play and the other one wasn't smooth, I decided to download them using DownloadHelper[15:17:58] <HeTo> and now I have one of the videos in two files, and the other one nowhere[15:17:59] <stpere> morning[15:18:42] <helf|laptop> heh[15:18:48] <helf|laptop> hi stpere[15:19:27] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[15:19:41] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[15:20:46] *** adamk has joined #haiku[15:26:44] * JonathanThompson moos at helf|laptop and stpere[15:27:44] * JonathanThompson moops at DeadYak and mmadia so they don't feel left out[15:28:15] <DeadYak> aw, I wanted a moo :([15:29:13] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[15:30:06] * JonathanThompson lobs a cow at DeadYak[15:30:15] * JonathanThompson hears it emit a startled "Mooooo!"[15:30:26] <DeadYak> JonathanThompson: what, is this Earthworm Jim?[15:31:02] <JonathanThompson> I'm in a mood based on where not merely the sh!t hits the fan putting me under stress, but the whole cow that created it[15:35:53] * helf|laptop sings JonathanThompson the happy happy fun song[15:35:53] * JonathanThompson ponders warping the time-space continuum[15:36:12] <JonathanThompson> I could always post on OSNews and watch my comments get modded down into oblivion because I rub someone the wrong way :D[15:36:26] * JonathanThompson thinks that would actually lighten his mood right now[15:39:24] <helf|laptop> heh[15:44:13] *** Carbamide has joined #haiku[15:44:33] <Carbamide> Good morning[15:45:11] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[15:45:38] <helf|laptop> hey Carbamide[15:47:02] *** adamk has quit IRC[15:51:00] *** oco has joined #haiku[15:52:50] <Teknomancer> hmm[15:53:01] *** _Mixerr has joined #haiku[15:53:05] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[15:53:05] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[15:53:05] *** wackymacs has quit IRC[15:53:05] *** pyCube has quit IRC[15:53:05] *** ntaylor has quit IRC[15:53:05] *** cnuke has quit IRC[15:53:05] *** Mixerr has quit IRC[15:53:08] *** _Mixerr is now known as Mixerr[15:53:09] <stpere> JonathanThompson: moo[15:53:11] <Teknomancer> net split!![15:53:35] * JonathanThompson splits net, moos at Teknomancer also in greetings[15:53:41] <Teknomancer> :P[15:53:44] <Teknomancer> hi JonathanThompson[15:54:11] <HeTo> hmm, are we all on kubrick.freenode.net?[15:54:36] * JonathanThompson starts up "A Clockwork Orange"[15:54:56] <Teknomancer> brown.freenode.net[15:55:11] *** cnuke has joined #haiku[15:55:11] <DeadYak> I'm on zelazny[15:55:17] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[15:55:21] <Teknomancer> hi DeadYak[15:55:25] <helf|laptop> im on barjavel[15:55:26] <HeTo> I see a netsplit between kubrick and irc, and I'm on kubrick :-S[15:55:33] <Teknomancer> no[15:56:04] <Teknomancer> i see split between brown...[15:56:13] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[15:58:57] *** wackymacs has joined #haiku[16:01:13] *** Barrett666_ has quit IRC[16:01:36] <DeadYak> hiya Teknomancer[16:03:41] <Carbamide> helf|laptop: How are you this morning?[16:05:16] <helf|laptop> ok[16:05:16] <helf|laptop> :P[16:07:17] <Teknomancer> german class in another hour... :)[16:07:19] <Teknomancer> fun[16:07:48] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[16:09:11] <DeadYak> Teknomancer: fun fun[16:11:36] *** ntaylor has joined #haiku[16:18:35] *** sprma has joined #haiku[16:18:37] *** Fainto has joined #haiku[16:26:59] <CIA-15> axeld * r30674 /haiku/trunk/data/ (etc/profile system/boot/Bootscript system/boot/Bootscript.cd):[16:26:59] <CIA-15> * Removed the "cd" to home in /etc/profile, made sure that Tracker/Deskbar are[16:26:59] <CIA-15> started from /boot/home. This closes ticket #3090.[16:27:59] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[16:30:32] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[16:39:16] *** Bumphead has joined #haiku[16:41:10] *** procton has joined #haiku[16:41:18] *** MichaelManley has quit IRC[16:41:29] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[16:42:40] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[16:46:20] <CIA-15> axeld * r30675 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/bfs/kernel_interface.cpp:[16:46:20] <CIA-15> * Removed the work-around that allowed to open directories read/write.[16:46:20] <CIA-15> See ticket #3875.[16:46:46] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[16:48:01] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #haiku[16:49:03] *** oco_ has joined #haiku[16:49:09] *** oco has quit IRC[16:49:16] *** oco_ is now known as oco[16:49:56] *** adamk has joined #haiku[16:53:27] *** redb1ue has quit IRC[16:59:25] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[17:00:58] *** SiCuTDeUx__ has joined #haiku[17:02:26] *** aurynn has joined #haiku[17:14:56] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[17:17:58] <mmadia> anyone here well adapted with using linux32?[17:19:27] *** mmlr has joined #haiku[17:19:37] *** salvatore_ has quit IRC[17:24:20] <gordonjcp> linux32?[17:24:28] <gordonjcp> as in Linux on 32-bit systems, or...?[17:24:42] <mmadia> it's a tool in 64-bit versions of linux distros...[17:24:43] <DeadYak> no, as in running stuff in a 32-bit env on 64-bit linux[17:25:17] * mmadia organizing emails, forum posts, etc into website documentation[17:25:48] <gordonjcp> oh[17:26:04] <gordonjcp> not tried that, I could install 64-bit Linux but it doesn't seem worth it[17:26:24] <gordonjcp> mmadia: if you want a hand with that let me know, proofreading, copy editing etc[17:27:03] <mmadia> thanks gordonjcp. i'll take you up on that in another day or so :)[17:27:50] <mmadia> in the meantime, are you signed up for the haiku-web mailing list?[17:27:56] <gordonjcp> uhm, probably not[17:28:15] <mmadia> http://haiku-os.org/community/ml[17:28:25] <gordonjcp> that saved me a quick google[17:30:06] <gordonjcp> I should possibly subscribe to the developer list, even if I haven't actually been able to develop a damn thing yet :-)[17:30:25] <helf|laptop> other than a complex[17:30:26] <helf|laptop> :D[17:30:57] <gordonjcp> I tell a lie[17:31:12] <gordonjcp> I've developed some really interesting ways of making my system not boot[17:32:09] <gordonjcp> in not-totally-unrelated news, I've bricked my Avaya 4602[17:32:21] <helf|laptop> ouch[17:32:33] <gordonjcp> neatly putting voip work out the window for a while[17:34:20] *** Xbertl has quit IRC[17:34:46] <DeadYak> gordonjcp: haven't dealt with Avaya much myself, mostly Asterisk at work here[17:35:45] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[17:36:45] <gordonjcp> DeadYak: yeah, it's asterisk I'm using here[17:36:56] *** aguent is now known as andguent[17:36:57] <gordonjcp> I upgraded the phone to 2.2.2 firmware, but it was shite[17:36:57] <DeadYak> I thought Avaya had their own SIP stack?[17:37:26] <gordonjcp> and when I followed the instructions to convert back to H323 and reload SIP 1.1 firmware it spacked totally[17:37:40] <gordonjcp> DeadYak: they may do, but I don't have any other avaya kit ;-)[17:37:40] <helf|laptop> nice[17:38:16] <gordonjcp> so I opened it up, on the basis that while I could in theory make it completely not work, it wouldn't make it any less useful[17:38:25] <gordonjcp> and found a JTAG header and a serial port header[17:38:48] <gordonjcp> so now I know it uses a Broadcom BCM1100 VoIP CPE-on-a-chip running VxWorks ;-)[17:42:34] *** aljen has quit IRC[17:44:20] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[17:45:17] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[17:45:35] *** sprma has quit IRC[17:52:20] *** leszek has joined #haiku[17:52:38] <leszek> hi[17:55:33] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[18:03:10] *** Colin_Finck is now known as Colin_Finck|afk[18:08:57] *** senryu has joined #Haiku[18:09:36] *** senryu has left #Haiku[18:21:43] <mmadia> hey leszek[18:21:56] <leszek> :)[18:23:39] <helf|laptop> howdy[18:24:53] <mmadia> meep[18:25:36] *** mmlr has quit 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<HisMajesty> gcc4 native[19:30:34] <DeadYak> uh[19:30:38] <DeadYak> welcome to months ago?[19:30:54] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[19:31:33] <stpere> AlienSoldier: hi compatriot![19:31:41] <HisMajesty> be nice to me, I don't have the entire source code committed to memory :-P[19:31:59] <DeadYak> well, it's just confusing when you're acting like it's some new thing when we've had gcc4 for ages :P[19:32:05] <leszek> bbl[19:32:17] *** leszek has quit IRC[19:32:35] <AlienSoldier> stpere: hi camarade :)[19:33:07] <stpere> HisMajesty: you saw the post on haiku-ois frontpage?[19:33:17] <stpere> and you figured it was still new-ish stuff?[19:33:28] <stpere> I admit it's weird that it's still on frontpage[19:33:33] <HisMajesty> stpere, I really should rss or (whatever, twitter?)[19:33:47] <DeadYak> Submitted by Urias McCullough on Sat, 2009-01-31 21:25[19:34:05] <Carbamide> Serious question though: What are the advantages to using gcc4?[19:34:16] <stpere> Carbamide: some ports require it[19:34:19] <stpere> like webkit[19:34:21] <stpere> and others[19:34:23] <DeadYak> Carbamide: in theory, better code gen, better C++ compliance, and ports that require it due to the latter[19:34:39] <Carbamide> A webkit browser sure would be nice! :-)[19:34:46] <stpere> it's in the making[19:34:51] * Carbamide misses safari from his poor mac[19:34:55] <stpere> well, it's a project of GSoC[19:35:12] <Carbamide> My mac's hd went out, so instead of buying another mac (I couldn't afford one), I bought this Acer AspireOne[19:35:20] <Carbamide> It's ok for while I save for a new Macbook[19:35:26] <stpere> quite a drop :P[19:35:29] <HisMajesty> well, DY, uhh, might sound crazy, but also, would be interesting to see the first beos native programed in for 4, native to the beos haiku[19:35:53] <HisMajesty> not just ports.[19:35:58] <stpere> HisMajesty: hmm, beg your pardon? :)[19:36:04] <Carbamide> Ok, another question. Will apps that were compiled using gcc2.whatever run in a system that was compiled with gcc4?[19:36:11] <mmadia> HisMajesty : creating native applications in gcc4 is highly discouraged at this point.[19:36:11] <stpere> you mean that native Haiku stuff should be coded for gcc4?[19:36:56] <mmadia> HisMajesty : R2 will not be supporting gcc4 applications that were built with R1-gcc4.[19:37:23] <HisMajesty> mmadia, ahh, break compatiblity.[19:37:32] <HisMajesty> heard about that.[19:37:32] <pyCube> what about 3po?[19:37:41] <aurynn> Carbamide, why didn't you just buy a new HDD?[19:37:42] <mmadia> c3po?[19:37:56] <stpere> R2 :)[19:38:00] * pyCube cringes at the whiney luke voice he jsut heard in his head[19:38:01] <DeadYak> Carbamide: not unless you build a hybrid Haiku that contains both sets of libs.[19:38:08] <mmadia> aah :)[19:38:23] <DeadYak> Carbamide: gcc3 and 4 both broke ABI compat several times[19:38:23] <Carbamide> I could have, but I really wanted to start saving for a new mac anyway. The mac I had was an iMac g5, the one with the built-in isight[19:38:33] <DeadYak> and the gcc maintainers generally couldn't care less about it so it's likely to happen again[19:38:43] <HisMajesty> really, if they can compile the 2.95's on the 4.. that'll mean they can just chunk the 2.95, one less set of tools they need.[19:39:07] <HisMajesty> housekeeping?[19:39:48] <DeadYak> you're making no sense at all...[19:39:57] <mmadia> Carbamide : though, there currently is at least one issue with hybrids. that being, the system does not know how to properly serve Translators (eg, BMP Translator) to programs that use the gcc-add-on libs.[19:40:16] <mmadia> so, image running Wonderbrush, which is currently gcc2 only, inside a gcc4hybrid.[19:40:30] <HisMajesty> DeadYak, if 4 has full down-compatibility with 2.95, they can throw out the 2.95 tools.[19:40:39] *** aguent has joined #haiku[19:40:39] <mmadia> once Wonderbrush needs to use an image translator, the program will not work properly.[19:40:41] <DeadYak> HisMajesty: it doesn't.[19:40:47] <DeadYak> HisMajesty: which is what I just said.[19:40:53] <HisMajesty> DeadYak, how much work would that take.[19:41:01] <geist> infinite[19:41:01] <DeadYak> HisMajesty: the gcc maintainers couldn't care less about down compat[19:41:22] <geist> furthermore there was 2.95.x to 3.x compatibility issues[19:41:29] <geist> 4.x is a couple of compatibility breaks away from 2.95[19:42:09] <geist> even at the time be was still releasing beos, 3.x was beginning to be out, but be didn't really have a good plan going forward, so they were sticking on 2.95[19:42:19] <geist> it's the major problem with writing apis in C++[19:42:44] <DeadYak> geist: mostly because the gcc guys can't seem to figure out how to write a correct ABI, haven't had any such trouble with any commercial C++ compiler[19:42:54] <geist> right[19:43:01] <pyCube> c++ seems to get incompat a lot[19:43:05] <DeadYak> the fact that they don't even care doesn't help[19:43:17] <geist> but the fragile base class thing still exists[19:43:22] <DeadYak> true[19:43:23] <geist> i'm sure that hits all compilers[19:43:38] <DeadYak> that does indeed, but that's at least manageable :)[19:43:43] <geist> i'm not entirely sure why it doesn't effect msvc[19:43:53] <geist> probably no abi changes, but i dont know why fbc doesn't hit em either[19:44:02] <DeadYak> interesting[19:44:03] <aurynn> the gcc people don't feel a need to offer ABI. "It's all open-source, they can just recompile."[19:44:04] <DeadYak> wasn't aware of that[19:44:15] <geist> aurynn: right[19:44:47] <geist> oh yeah, forgot about the FBI problem too[19:44:53] <geist> though there are solutions to that[19:45:10] <geist> where inline functions of classes exported can change[19:45:19] <geist> but thecompiled code doesn't get redone, so the inline is busted[19:45:29] <geist> solution to that: never use inlines across a library boundary[19:45:45] <geist> which of course can nail performance, since smart inlining is almost essentially to good C++[19:46:33] <MindChild> SMART inlining[19:46:37] <HisMajesty> it think it's counterproductive.[19:46:40] <mmadia> what is this fragile base class?[19:46:40] <MindChild> which excludes most developers[19:46:51] <DeadYak> mmadia: long story[19:47:05] <HisMajesty> I know I'm not the first person to conclude that.[19:47:06] <geist> MindChild: well i wouldn't say that. all those one line accessors[19:47:13] <geist> perfect for inlining[19:47:43] <MindChild> geist: you still have that itanium?[19:47:44] <geist> really the only way in c++ to write protect internal members, and it's very common[19:47:56] <geist> MindChild: no i dumped it a couple months ago[19:48:01] <MindChild> :(((((((((((((((((((((((([19:48:01] <HisMajesty> and aww hell, I know a lot of people who despise vista.. but there is NOTHING that'll replace XP, unless you talk linux.[19:48:13] <HisMajesty> so, haiku is obi wan.. hah[19:48:23] *** andguent has quit IRC[19:48:27] <geist> MindChild: it was not really for the win[19:48:46] <geist> i screwed around with it a bit and eventually trashed the linux distro i got on it, and then couldn't figure out how to boot it again[19:49:00] <geist> and since it was old there was no firmware upgrades for it, so it wouldn't run anything modern anymore[19:49:04] *** leszek has joined #haiku[19:49:23] <geist> remember itanium has a runtime cpu library, like the alpha, that sticks around after the bios dies[19:49:32] <geist> if that goes severely out of date, new stuff wont rn on it[19:49:41] <geist> essentially anything past about linux 2.6.12 or so wouldn't boot[19:50:18] <leszek> re[19:50:33] <aurynn> geist, that's idiotic.[19:50:36] <HisMajesty> you see, with a substantially working haiku.. and red hat, the entire state of NC could ditch windows.[19:50:50] *** adamk has quit IRC[19:50:50] <MindChild> Thats why I want an itanium. Never had the pleasure to learn its quirks[19:50:58] <HisMajesty> vista is expensive, pisses people off.[19:51:03] <DeadYak> good luck with that[19:51:44] <HisMajesty> and I'm half the time working on a half broken ancient beos system here.. but I know you can literally beat the crap out of beos.. which Is why I use it.[19:52:15] <geist> MindChild: i bet you can find em cheap on ebay[19:52:25] <aurynn> Itanic2 systems are pretty decent, I understand[19:52:26] <DeadYak> HisMajesty: you mean besides the many trivial ways to completely break it?[19:52:28] <geist> do keep in mind that most itanium boxes are huge[19:52:41] <geist> i hit that problem when i bought this one on ebay years ago[19:52:51] <geist> they had a picture of what looks like a tower pc[19:52:56] <geist> didn't check the weight[19:53:01] <DeadYak> geist: but neglected to mention the scale? :)[19:53:02] <geist> bought it for $200 or so[19:53:05] <geist> right[19:53:15] <geist> turns out it was a monster, and weighed about 100 lbs[19:53:22] <geist> and ended up costing another $200 to ship it[19:53:22] <HisMajesty> DeadYak, hehe.. look, state is trying to figure out how to save money.[19:53:22] <aurynn> Yeowch.[19:53:27] <geist> it came in a wooden case[19:53:36] <DeadYak> HisMajesty: so they're looking at unfinished OSes?[19:53:41] <geist> it was one of the HP I2000 workstations[19:53:52] <DeadYak> sounds like that crazy SGI thing helf picked up recently[19:53:55] <DeadYak> what was it, IRIS?[19:54:07] <aurynn> an IRIS 3030, iirc[19:54:39] <DeadYak> sounds right[19:55:17] <geist> server for $175[19:55:49] <geist> 2 itanium 2s, 10GB ram[19:55:50] <geist> not too bad[19:56:28] *** MichaelDev has joined #haiku[19:56:29] *** warpdesign has joined #haiku[19:56:41] *** MichaelDev is now known as MichaelManley[19:57:35] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[20:00:20] *** procton has quit IRC[20:01:38] <mmadia> researching --use-32bit and --use-xattr makes me want to vomit.[20:02:40] <geist> seems like xattr should be usable on linux[20:03:35] <leszek> it is ;) We use xattr (the python module) and the extended attributes in ZevenOS[20:03:52] <mmadia> right, but ext3 has a limit of one block per file, about 4kb, which may not be enough for some attributes.[20:03:53] <HisMajesty> DeadYak.. no.. I mean, it took some real work to get it to cpu or memspike.[20:04:05] <DeadYak> HisMajesty: want to bet?[20:04:36] <mmadia> mmu_man mentioned xattr+ext3 fails on Expander, which has many supported types, which in turn goes beyond the capacity of one block.[20:04:41] <HisMajesty> DeadYak.. on that? uhh yeah.. I had to jam it with pure trash.[20:04:57] <DeadYak> apparently you've never hit swap :)[20:05:12] *** witukind has joined #haiku[20:05:26] <HisMajesty> sure I have, just not on beos. swap limit and no warning?[20:05:45] <geist> why assume i'm using ext3?[20:05:52] <mmadia> also, im not sure if --use-xattr is actually required.[20:05:55] <JonathanThompson> Why would BeOS warn you about swap?[20:05:58] <DeadYak> HisMajesty: I obviously meant in BeOS[20:06:10] <DeadYak> and there's no warning whatsoever when it hits swap[20:06:16] <mmadia> geist : well, thats the only FS for linux that i found notes for :)[20:06:16] <DeadYak> other than pretty much everything grinding to a halt[20:06:18] <geist> in this case, my source is on reiser3, and i have xattr enabled[20:06:24] <JonathanThompson> Especially since it prefers to just reboot spontaneously if you push the system too hard :P[20:06:32] *** Disreali has quit IRC[20:06:37] <HisMajesty> JonathanThompson, I have never been able to do taht.[20:06:42] <HisMajesty> I have made it freeze.[20:06:47] * JonathanThompson has[20:07:02] <HisMajesty> I've forced it to kdl[20:07:24] <DeadYak> accidentally hit Get Info in Tracker with about 150 files selected. Watch things go kaboom[20:07:30] <JonathanThompson> While testing something out I hoped would be put into the Java port, I also made a mistake in a simple app that absolutely killed the machine by deleting an area :D[20:08:05] <HisMajesty> DeadYak, that could be a bug.. however.[20:08:09] <JonathanThompson> I effectively created my own non-sane reboot command :D[20:08:29] <DeadYak> HisMajesty: not could be, is. BeOS can't handle more than about that many windows open at once due to a thread limit[20:08:38] <JonathanThompson> HisMajesty: there are a lot of things in BeOS I'd consider a bug, by not checking for error conditions and attempting to handle them at all.[20:08:40] <DeadYak> plenty of other ways to kill it quite unintentionally[20:08:55] <HisMajesty> DeadYak, actually, the bug would be, not putting the information to one window.[20:09:03] <JonathanThompson> :P[20:09:09] <DeadYak> HisMajesty: that's just hiding the problem, not fixing it[20:09:17] * JonathanThompson doesn't think HisMajesty fully comprehends what BeOS is about[20:09:31] <DeadYak> HisMajesty: regardless, it's far from as unbreakable as you seem to think it is[20:09:58] <JonathanThompson> Another good one: lost messages, DeadYak :)[20:09:59] *** procton has joined #haiku[20:10:00] <HisMajesty> I never said it was easy to break.[20:11:21] *** atomozero has joined #haiku[20:11:21] <HisMajesty> I typically get spikes on protocol thread on browsers. and pretty much anyone..[20:11:40] <leszek> mmadia: we are using JFS as the standard filesystem in ZevenOS[20:12:07] <leszek> ext3 on ubuntu normally has extended attributes disabled btw.[20:12:32] <mmadia> leszek : do you build Haiku from JFS?[20:12:32] <HisMajesty> we don't care about ubuntu[20:12:52] <HisMajesty> I mentioned RH because I'm in NC>[20:12:55] <pyCube> i do[20:13:01] * Carbamide blinks[20:13:01] <HisMajesty> pyCube, don't need you.[20:13:18] <pyCube> sweet[20:13:22] * JonathanThompson awaits the reply[20:13:27] <pyCube> i f'ing hate being needed[20:13:47] <JonathanThompson> But, it's nice to be wanted sometimes, depending on the type of being wanted ;)[20:13:47] <HisMajesty> and before I get angry, I'm half disabled.. and I help the project somehow..[20:13:49] <leszek> mmadia: hmm... I think I did it , but it is several months ago, I got lazy and simply downloaded the raw images the last few months ;)[20:13:57] <HisMajesty> so stop being such a (bleep) cyrus.[20:14:22] <JonathanThompson> How are you half disabled? Perhaps we can make you a matched set of halves? ;)[20:14:34] <JonathanThompson> That way, you'll be more efficient! :D[20:14:44] <mmadia> leszek : ahh, my interest for xattr is in relation to building Haiku. i'm re-organizing some documentation.[20:14:55] <pyCube> i dont get it.. but ok[20:14:56] <mmu_man> mmadia it likely depends on the block size chosen to format it...[20:14:59] <leszek> aha ;)[20:15:09] <HisMajesty> sucks, but I miss the good ole days[20:15:15] <mmu_man> just like with BFS with only small_data section[20:15:37] <mmadia> mmu_man : do you recall the block size you had when expander failed?[20:16:32] <mmu_man> dunno[20:16:42] *** Colin_Finck is now known as Colin_Finck|afk[20:16:43] <mmu_man> I can find it with tune2fs I suppose[20:16:46] <pyCube> i am curious...what is a bleep cyrus?[20:16:58] *** expensivelesbian has joined #haiku[20:16:58] <Carbamide> I wondered that too[20:17:04] <mmadia> mmu_man : that would be appreciated :)[20:17:20] <pyCube> did "billy ray" become a bleepable swear word while i was gone?[20:17:42] <DeadYak> haha[20:17:44] <pyCube> ...'cause that'd be cool[20:18:39] <pyCube> billy ray off, you billy raying billy ray hole[20:18:44] <mmu_man> Block size: 4096[20:19:06] <mmu_man> tune2fs -l /dev/...[20:19:13] <pyCube> anyway..[20:19:18] * pyCube does some more work[20:19:21] <mmu_man> Inode size: 128[20:19:38] <HisMajesty> pyCube, don't troll in here. I said stop beying a cyrus.. you may just as well consider yourself dismissed. you trojan horse.. provide the python project for beos haiku.. and you're not even talking about an interoperatiily with ubuntu, just evangelizing. are you from africa, even?[20:19:54] <DeadYak> speaking of trolling...[20:19:59] <HisMajesty> nms.[20:20:01] <pyCube> um.. what?[20:20:02] <HisMajesty> no more schtick[20:20:11] <HisMajesty> I miss the good old days.[20:20:20] <HisMajesty> be back soon.[20:20:24] *** HisMajesty has quit IRC[20:20:30] <DeadYak> ......[20:20:40] <pyCube> honestly.. huh?[20:20:47] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[20:20:55] <DeadYak> I suspect some combination of drugs and stupidity[20:21:27] <geist> ...[20:21:37] <mmadia> mmu_man : what's the inode size refer to ?[20:22:10] <mmu_man> the used size by the inode itself inthe block I think[20:22:27] <mmu_man> ie 4096-128 available for xattr[20:23:06] <mmadia> and is it safe to assume that 4kb is the default blocksize for ext3?[20:23:13] <geist> not really[20:23:19] <DeadYak> on what distro? :)[20:23:20] <geist> but for any reasonably large volume, yeah[20:23:31] <geist> i forget where the crossover point is for 4k[20:23:33] *** justen has quit IRC[20:23:59] *** justen has joined #haiku[20:24:53] <mmu_man> I still need to mail ted t'so to ask if he has any plan for xattrs in ext4[20:24:59] <mmu_man> though I think he doesn't[20:25:00] <Carbamide> Haiku never seems to remember the time from one reboot to the next[20:25:12] <warpdesign> guess it boots too fast :p[20:25:30] *** nibble has joined #haiku[20:25:31] <DeadYak> remember the time how?[20:25:51] <Carbamide> Right now, haiku says it's 6:28PM. It's really 1:28 here.[20:26:04] <Carbamide> I'll set it back to 1:28, then next time I reboot, it's back wrong again[20:26:09] <DeadYak> um[20:26:12] <DeadYak> wrong timezone probably[20:26:37] <DeadYak> whatever other OS you're rebooting to is resetting it to UTC[20:26:46] <Carbamide> ubuntu linux[20:26:49] <DeadYak> exactly.[20:26:49] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[20:26:55] <Carbamide> Ah...[20:26:56] <DeadYak> so yeah, just set your time zone in Haiku's time prefs[20:26:59] <DeadYak> don't change the clock itself[20:27:06] <Carbamide> Ok, will do! :-)[20:27:27] <leszek> :)[20:27:28] <pyCube> rhymes with mildew[20:27:35] <Carbamide> Oh, I see. It's set to Paris time right now[20:27:47] <DeadYak> yup[20:27:56] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[20:28:03] <DeadYak> you can set a rule in UserBuildConfig to auto-install an appropriate timezone link for yourself[20:29:04] <DeadYak> it'd look something like: AddSymlinkToHaikuImage home config settings : /boot/system/data/timezones/Europe/Paris : timezone ;[20:29:04] * Carbamide goes to bed.[20:29:10] <DeadYak> except obviously in your case not Europe/Paris[20:29:18] <DeadYak> mine's US/Central, not sure where you live[20:29:28] <Carbamide> Yeah, US/Central[20:29:31] *** HisMajesty has joined #haiku[20:29:35] <Carbamide> I'm in Oklahoma[20:29:37] <DeadYak> ah.[20:29:42] <stpere> goes to be?[20:29:45] <stpere> bed?[20:29:46] <HisMajesty> DeadYak, I actually use it.[20:29:50] <Carbamide> I work nights[20:29:53] <stpere> oh[20:29:58] <DeadYak> HisMajesty: uh...what?[20:29:58] <Carbamide> I take care of the mentally and physically handicapped.[20:30:09] <DeadYak> Carbamide: AddSymlinkToHaikuImage home config settings : /boot/system/data/timezones/US/Central : timezone ;[20:30:16] <DeadYak> Carbamide: add that to UserBuildConfig if you're doing your own builds[20:30:18] <stpere> HisMajesty: Haiku?[20:30:20] <HisMajesty> DeadYak, I actually use beos.[20:30:23] <DeadYak> Carbamide: that'll have the timezone link correct on new installs[20:30:23] <stpere> oh[20:30:26] <DeadYak> HisMajesty: and your point is?[20:30:39] <Carbamide> Awesome. Thanks DeadYak![20:30:44] <DeadYak> Carbamide: np[20:31:04] <Carbamide> You know, all in all I'm impressed with you guys. You're very helpful.[20:31:07] <HisMajesty> pyCube, you know, once, kancept came to see me. he flew all the way to nc to discuss the future.. him and wife in tow.[20:31:25] <HisMajesty> we discussed beos. haiku, glass e.. everything.[20:31:25] <Carbamide> There are some channels that make fun of you for trading an H&R 622 .22 for a Phoenix Arms HP-22 .22LR[20:31:32] <Carbamide> Not that I'll name that channel. ;-)[20:31:51] <mmadia> Carbamide : I thought you were EST ?[20:31:52] <HisMajesty> I'm sick of gates, and I'm sick of Jobs, and I'm sick of freaking linus the menace.[20:32:07] <HisMajesty> point well easily taken.[20:32:11] <HisMajesty> gtg[20:32:15] *** HisMajesty has quit IRC[20:32:17] <DeadYak> mmadia: Oklahoma's not really EST :)[20:32:23] <Carbamide> No quite. :-)[20:32:30] <Carbamide> I've lived in Oklahoma all my life.[20:32:31] <Carbamide> Hate it.[20:32:50] <DeadYak> I had a friend who used to live in Idabel[20:32:57] <pyCube> whoa..[20:32:58] <mmadia> ah, for some reason i thought you were in PA :)[20:33:03] <Carbamide> Oh yeah? Wasn't there a tornado there a couple years back?[20:33:20] <DeadYak> Carbamide: dunno, he moved like 3 years ago, he was living there because his job moved him there[20:33:22] * pyCube flashes back to beshare[20:33:24] *** Colin_Finck|afk is now known as Colin_Finck[20:33:28] <DeadYak> they've since moved him to the bay area[20:33:47] <Carbamide> Ok. /me really goes to bed.[20:33:48] <MichaelManley> yay i just figured out how to impliment a very basic multi user support in Haiku. only issue is it everyones admin but its a start.[20:33:57] <DeadYak> Carbamide: sleep well :)[20:34:10] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[20:34:39] <pyCube> eesh.. i have to write up my own review this year[20:35:00] <pyCube> ...dumb...[20:35:11] <DeadYak> pyCube: "Godlike!"[20:35:16] <pyCube> heh[20:35:21] *** witukind has quit IRC[20:35:26] <pyCube> "I totally, like, kick ass and stuff"[20:38:23] <mmadia> <[20:38:24] <stpere> and stuff hhaha[20:38:31] <stpere> :)[20:38:35] <expensivelesbian> I got told about this guy at one of these reviews[20:38:43] <expensivelesbian> and he put ten fro everything[20:38:55] <mmadia> that was going to be some html for a document page[20:39:02] *** _arjen_ has joined #haiku[20:39:14] <expensivelesbian> so the boss is trying to inject some reality into the whole proceeding, saying "well, I think ten is perhaps a bit ambitious..."[20:39:27] <expensivelesbian> this guy, "no...I'd disagree. I think I'm a ten"[20:39:36] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[20:39:43] <DeadYak> narcissist much?[20:39:51] <expensivelesbian> heh, I think he was[20:40:09] <expensivelesbian> but, it does show how silly these reviews can be when you bring the quantification police in[20:40:26] <expensivelesbian> "yeah, I'm 37% better this year..."[20:43:37] *** HisMajesty has joined #haiku[20:44:14] <pyCube> i am a certain percentage older this year[20:44:24] <HisMajesty> you want to know how much money sun spent defending themselves on msft platforms?[20:44:40] <stpere> no[20:44:52] <HisMajesty> It's a lot more money than a few people in here have.[20:45:02] <DeadYak> we care because?[20:45:15] <stpere> we are not defending ourselves, are we?[20:45:17] <HisMajesty> you just don't know the smell of war in business.[20:45:20] <stpere> is there a war?[20:45:23] <DeadYak> if all you're going to do in here is troll random nonsense, then go away[20:45:26] <HisMajesty> business is war.[20:45:33] <HisMajesty> and sometimes, war is business.[20:45:46] <stpere> ./ignore HisMajesty[20:46:19] <HisMajesty> I need to come in to a haiku or beos thing and have them run off by someone preaching ubuntu.[20:46:28] <HisMajesty> there's your sarcasm[20:47:01] <DeadYak> by the sounds of it, you seriously need to lay off the drugs[20:47:34] <HisMajesty> DeadYak, I'll make it simpler for you.. I ported gema to the beos platform.. you might have gained 10 users in puerto rico because of that.[20:47:52] <DeadYak> ......so?[20:48:00] <pyCube> still on about gema? rad![20:48:19] <mmadia> what's gema?[20:48:26] <HisMajesty> pyCube, and I'll make it simpler for you too.. when you first showed up on beshare.. was when the exodus from it began, oddly, including myself[20:48:26] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[20:48:38] <pyCube> not to feed a bs-session, but how is saying "i care" anywhere near preaching?[20:48:57] <HisMajesty> as far as I'm concerned, pyCube is working for linux somewhere. it's war. didn't you notice?[20:49:02] <pyCube> HisMajesty, funny, seeing as I remember when you showed up in beshare[20:49:13] <HisMajesty> pyCube, not very likely.[20:49:19] <pyCube> whatever[20:49:21] <HisMajesty> I bet you don't even know who Kancept is.[20:49:21] <DeadYak> HisMajesty: this isn't BeShare. Get over it.[20:49:30] <HisMajesty> DeadYak, you move on instead.[20:49:44] <HisMajesty> this isn't capture the flag.. oh wait..[20:49:55] <HisMajesty> ....[20:49:58] *** HisMajesty has quit IRC[20:50:01] <pyCube> hehe[20:50:15] <DeadYak> so tempting to add a +b flag....[20:50:22] <stpere> heh[20:50:32] <mmadia> is there a way to check who's been banned in the past?[20:50:32] <stpere> what a time/attention whore[20:50:42] <pyCube> i dont remember him ever doing anythign otehr than confusing and pissing people off[20:50:46] <DeadYak> mmadia: I'm fairly sure he has[20:51:43] *** mmadia42 has joined #haiku[20:52:12] *** mmadia42 has left #haiku[20:52:38] <pyCube> speaking of confused.. what does kancept have to do with any of this?[20:52:43] *** leszek has quit IRC[20:52:55] * pyCube goes back to work[20:53:36] *** obelix has joined #haiku[20:53:37] *** atomozero has quit IRC[20:53:42] <obelix> just checking ...[20:53:45] *** obelix has quit IRC[20:54:43] <pyCube> heh[20:55:15] *** MichaelManley has quit IRC[20:55:19] *** rcjsuen_ has joined #haiku[20:57:36] *** thotypous has quit IRC[20:58:29] <stpere> mmadia: huh? :)[21:00:57] *** fcr has quit IRC[21:01:11] *** Colin_Finck has quit IRC[21:02:01] <mmadia> stpere : that was one of his former nicks.[21:02:14] <mmadia> so, i wanted to see if it was banned from the channel.[21:03:17] *** MichaelDev has joined #haiku[21:03:21] *** awpeter has joined #haiku[21:03:27] <mmu_man> /mode #haiku +b[21:03:28] <stpere> oh I see[21:03:55] *** MichaelDev is now known as MichaelManley[21:09:33] <Master199> hi[21:10:09] <pyCube> hmm.. munch time[21:10:32] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[21:11:26] <mmadia> hi Master199[21:12:46] *** atomozero has joined #haiku[21:16:36] <DeadYak> mmu_man: you'd be able to do that :)[21:17:28] <atomozero> hi :) i have problem whit live cd on my eeepc 701 :( the boot give me "PANIC: did not find any boot partition!"[21:17:47] <atomozero> whit usb pen the book is perfect[21:17:52] <atomozero> boot[21:18:53] <mmadia> there might be a ticket about PANIC + livecd's at the bugtracker.[21:19:15] <atomozero> uhm ok[21:19:27] <DeadYak> how did you make that live CD?[21:19:27] <mmadia> in otherwords, i haven't played with live cd's yet ;)[21:19:37] <DeadYak> I haven't either[21:19:46] <atomozero> jam haiku-cd[21:20:19] <atomozero> on my laptop works :) (is slooooow but work)[21:20:38] <atomozero> my laptos is centrino duo[21:20:39] <DeadYak> it's possible you need the ata bus manager on the eee[21:20:50] <DeadYak> dunno though[21:21:55] <atomozero> i have HAIKU_ATA_STACK = 1 ; on my UserBuildConfig[21:22:09] <DeadYak> never mind that then...[21:22:12] <DeadYak> I dunno[21:25:29] *** atomozero has quit IRC[21:30:06] *** MichaelManley has quit IRC[21:34:32] *** procton has quit IRC[21:38:52] <mmu_man> plop[21:39:06] * DeadYak plops mmu_man[21:40:13] *** aljen has joined #haiku[21:40:29] <aljen> hey[21:54:29] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[21:56:44] <mmu_man> plop[22:00:10] <MindChild> Messa no likeses plopsies. Theysa makeses me scared![22:00:34] *** adamk has joined #haiku[22:05:35] <mmu_man> Stop being clumsy :p[22:17:55] <CIA-15> stippi * r30676 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/debuganalyzer/gui/chart/LineChartRenderer.cpp:[22:17:55] <CIA-15> Use a BShape do draw the chart lines:[22:17:55] <CIA-15> The StrokeLine(BPoint to) version cannot do this.[22:17:55] <CIA-15> Hope I am not interfering, Ingo![22:23:14] *** ulterior_modem has quit IRC[22:24:13] *** mib_ondufm has joined #haiku[22:25:10] *** mib_ondufm has quit IRC[22:25:57] *** rcjsuen__ has joined #haiku[22:26:21] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[22:26:38] *** awpeter has quit IRC[22:28:05] *** Carbamide has quit IRC[22:30:19] *** kokito_ARG has joined #haiku[22:30:29] <kokito_ARG> hola[22:30:37] <stpere> hola[22:30:44] <DeadYak> kokito_ARG: at first glance that nick looks like you're having major problems :)[22:30:56] <kokito_ARG> LOL[22:30:58] *** Senryu-User has joined #Haiku[22:31:09] *** kokito_ARG is now known as Kokito_BUE[22:31:13] <DeadYak> bue?[22:31:15] <DeadYak> oh[22:31:16] <Kokito_BUE> how about that?[22:31:17] <DeadYak> Buenos Aires?[22:31:21] <Kokito_BUE> Buenos Aires[22:31:23] <DeadYak> aha.[22:31:25] *** Senryu-User has quit IRC[22:31:28] <DeadYak> how's the weather? :)[22:31:30] *** rcjsuen__ is now known as rcjsuen[22:31:51] <pyCube> i want to go get lost in argentina[22:31:52] <Kokito_BUE> weather is ok[22:34:02] *** Senryu-User has joined #Haiku[22:34:33] *** adamk has quit IRC[22:34:40] *** adamk has joined #haiku[22:35:42] *** Senryu-User has quit IRC[22:36:35] <Kokito_BUE> pycube, you get lost, you get mugged[22:37:07] <pyCube> is that an argentine law?[22:37:52] *** Atomo has joined #haiku[22:38:10] *** Atomo is now known as Atomozero[22:38:11] <pyCube> i was thinking about disappearing in some remote region[22:38:47] <pyCube> the idea would be to get away from people, be they muggers or not[22:39:08] <PulkoMandy> looks like there is internet there, so probably not remote enough :)[22:39:29] <pyCube> well, i do want the internet.. heh[22:39:32] <DeadYak> PulkoMandy: well, Kokito's in Buenos Aires, not some remote region :P[22:39:43] <PulkoMandy> :)[22:40:24] <pyCube> i need to find somewhere that is still served by a steam powered train[22:41:05] *** rcjsuen_ has quit IRC[22:42:08] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[22:42:24] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[22:46:19] *** Karurosu has quit IRC[22:49:50] *** Mixerr is now known as Mixer[23:02:01] <PulkoMandy> +++[23:02:07] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[23:02:35] *** sugar3 has joined #haiku[23:03:11] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[23:03:44] <Kokito_BUE> pycube, where are you?[23:05:20] <pyCube> north bay area, ca[23:06:10] *** mmadia has quit IRC[23:06:16] <pyCube> wussy a-hole liberal country[23:06:23] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[23:06:30] *** ulterior_modem has joined #Haiku[23:08:43] <pyCube> as opposed to scary a-hole conservative country[23:09:27] <Kokito_BUE> pycube, no need to go very far than to find very remote areas :)[23:12:15] *** Atomozero has quit IRC[23:13:23] <pyCube> i grew up loosing myself in remoe northern california. i wanna go all out and disappear in s.america[23:14:38] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[23:14:52] <Kokito_BUE> ah[23:18:14] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[23:18:54] *** Kokito_BUE has quit IRC[23:24:19] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[23:24:35] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[23:24:37] *** glootech has quit IRC[23:28:26] *** glootech has joined #haiku[23:35:49] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[23:36:39] *** Gaap has quit IRC[23:39:54] *** szczur has joined #haiku[23:42:27] *** yoritomo_ has joined #haiku[23:43:29] *** Master199 has quit IRC[23:45:36] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[23:49:55] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[23:53:50] *** yoritomo_ has quit IRC[23:53:58] *** Negr0 has joined #haiku[23:55:23] *** be-bop has joined #haiku