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[00:04:00] <waveshaper> my monitor goes into suspend mode right after the last icon is light up in the boot on a box here. anyknow had the same problem? my gfx card is a geforce 6200
[00:05:19] <umccullough> probably a bad refresh rate
[00:05:24] <umccullough> i.e. bad modeline
[00:05:43] <umccullough> you probably wanna search for any tickets about that already, and/or post a new one so rudolfc can check up on it
[00:06:55] <umccullough> you can probably get past it by using the fail-safe video mode in the "Safe mode options" menu
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[00:10:14] <waveshaper> tnx. in case there is no ticket this card is abit rare it seems. so it might be good to get the issue down if there is one. but tnx for the tips. back to booting :)
[00:10:26] <luroh> waveshaper: if umccullough's suggestion works, and if you roll your own builds, you can probably just blacklist your card and use vesa instead until the problem is fixed
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[00:10:59] <luroh> (that's what i do with my problematic 7900 card)
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[00:12:41] <umccullough> wb pfoetchen
[00:13:01] <umccullough> pfoetchen, so, any decision yet on beagleboard vs gumstix vs ??? (something else entirely)
[00:13:30] <waveshaper> brb
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[00:14:51] <pfoetchen> I think for the development the gumstix would be better so I would say gumstix ( and I will propably buy a beaglebaord myself from my GSoC money ;) )
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[00:15:28] <umccullough> heh, ok
[00:15:47] <umccullough> so, gumstix earth? or water?
[00:16:08] <umccullough> and I assume the tobi board?
[00:17:54] <umccullough> what do the overo's use for booting? something custom?
[00:18:01] <pfoetchen> I would go for the water since it's cpu is the same as on the beagleboard (should not make much of a difference actualy) and the tobi board
[00:18:09] <pfoetchen> it uses u-boot afaik
[00:26:43] <kirilla> I hate it when they don't sell any fitting cases
[00:27:26] <kirilla> how do people cope with.. I don't know.. dust? cats?
[00:29:12] <pyCube> or especially cheez whiz
[00:29:32] <kirilla> cheese?
[00:29:42] <pyCube> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheez_Whiz
[00:30:00] <pyCube> one of the more horrid creations of man
[00:30:00] <kirilla> blech :P
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[00:30:53] <kirilla> Aging time: n/a
[00:30:54] <kirilla> haha
[00:31:04] <pyCube> haha.. f'ing lazy people crack me up.. "Cheez Whiz was reformulated in the early 21st Century to include both a changed formula, and a new, wider jar that allows dipping straight from the container."
[00:32:10] <kirilla> haiku reboot, bbl
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[00:32:49] <pyCube> i mean.. come on, should people be expected tio have to wait long enough to remove their fake cheese from the jar before consuming it? not in america, damnit!
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[00:40:19] <Carbamide> Is Bezilla crashing for anyone else?
[00:40:42] <mmadia> there might'v ebeen a recent ticket about that.  bbiab.
[00:40:54] * Carbamide searches
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[00:44:13] <Carbamide> 3873 looks like it
[00:44:18] <Carbamide> brb
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[00:47:32] <Carbamide> Yep.  When I start from the Terminal, everything is fine
[00:47:39] <Carbamide> bezilla, that is
[00:47:46] <Carbamide> What did I say?  3873?
[00:47:49] <Carbamide> *looks*
[00:48:15] <Carbamide> Yeah
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[00:54:41] <Carbamide> I'm so impressed with Haiku.  The only thing I could want would be wifi
[00:54:51] <Carbamide> But that's no big deal.  Here at home I can plug in
[00:55:08] <Carbamide>  /nick FanBoy
[00:55:09] <Carbamide> ;-)
[00:55:19] <umccullough> you missed ;D
[00:55:32] <Carbamide> (I didn't want to really change my nick, I was just playing)
[00:55:35] <umccullough> if i need to use haiku with wireless, i use my wrt54g in client-mode
[00:55:42] <umccullough> :)
[00:55:50] <Carbamide> I have a wrt54g.  Tell me more.
[00:56:00] <umccullough> i have two of them, both flashed with dd-wrt
[00:56:07] <Carbamide> Ah, I haven't done that yet.
[00:56:09] <umccullough> with dd-wrt, you can set it to be a "client"
[00:56:39] <umccullough> so, it will connect to another AP as if it's a computer, providing NAT for all devices plugged into the wrt54g's ethernet ports
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[00:57:01] <umccullough> it even has a network scanner page to locate a network to connect to
[00:57:14] <Carbamide> Nice
[00:57:24] <umccullough> i take it to conferences, etc. so that 5 wired haiku machines can connect to a wireless network
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[00:57:44] <umccullough> wb AnEvilYak
[00:57:49] <AnEvilYak> thanks
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[01:08:34] <mmadia> Interview :  Maxime Simon @ ICO :  http://joomla.iscomputeron.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1108&Itemid=1
[01:10:53] <phoudoin> Great, my town-fellow !
[01:11:06] <AnEvilYak> he lives in Rennes too?
[01:15:15] <phoudoin> Yep, Student there
[01:15:43] <AnEvilYak> aha
[01:17:19] <phoudoin> Actually, two of the six GCoS students are living currently under 200 km from me. World is smaller everyday.
[01:18:06] <mmadia> PulkoMandy?
[01:18:43] <mmadia> *ahem*,  is pulkomandy the other?
[01:18:44] <pfoetchen> my sister studies in rennes ;) but she is in germany now afaik
[01:20:29] <kirilla> there's a Sugar/OLPC/Linux  something conference in Paris on the 16th of May, IIRC
[01:21:02] <kirilla> in case any of you happen to be nearby
[01:21:10] <mmu_man> kirilla I might be able to go, nto sure yet
[01:21:19] <phoudoin> In the meantime, Ma Jea is in china, Bryce in Hawaii and Obaro in Nigeria. Haiku is a world project involving now people from every continent !
[01:21:19] <mmu_man> btw, Gdium is MIPS :)
[01:21:25] <mmu_man> OLPC is x86 but with OF
[01:21:35] <kirilla> mmu_man: heh yeah :) I know
[01:21:36] <phoudoin> mmadia: yes, PulkoMandy.
[01:22:01] <kirilla> mmu_man: I'm not planning on going :) Just thought I'd pass it on.
[01:22:13] <mmu_man> phoudoin you know I speak french btw :p
[01:22:47] <phoudoin> no, I ignored that
[01:22:49] <phoudoin> :-)
[01:23:15] <phoudoin> Plus, I'm a lazy copy & paste guy
[01:24:53] <phoudoin> Anyway, I plan to show up at RMLL/LSM
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[01:25:24] <phoudoin> One, maybe two days.
[01:25:50] <phoudoin> Mail me how I could eventually help.
[01:26:22] <phoudoin> I'll bring a netbook, hopefully with Haiku natively on it, not on an USB stick.
[01:26:47] <mmu_man> phoudoin BCC on the list ??
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[01:29:35] <mmu_man> phoudoin btw #haiku-fr :p
[01:31:03] <phoudoin> damned, always forget this channel!
[01:32:45] <phoudoin> mmu_man: I BCC'd on the list? May I miss the To: field on GMail!?
[01:32:55] <mmu_man> maybe
[01:33:00] <AnEvilYak> phoudoin: looks like it
[01:33:04] <AnEvilYak> phoudoin: that one confused my gmail filter
[01:33:13] <AnEvilYak> phoudoin: but forced me to make a new one using the list keywords anyways which is better :)
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[01:33:50] <phoudoin> I can't use my @free.fr to post on freelists.org anymore, as some zimbra servers at free.fr is black-listed as spammer.
[01:34:16] <mmu_man> pfff
[01:34:26] <mmu_man> sue them :)
[01:34:32] <phoudoin> Exactly what I said myself.
[01:34:38] <mmu_man> good I didn't switch to zimbra yet then
[01:35:10] <phoudoin> RoundedCube is way better, I miss it.
[01:35:31] <phoudoin> Anyway. Should I re-post to the list ?
[01:35:44] <AlienSoldier> would be nice if haiku localization kit would be biderectional, so that typing in french could auto translate in english OS wide
[01:36:27] <mmu_man> lol
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[01:47:17] <phoudoin> Time to get some rest. Aloha.
[01:48:21] <phoudoin> AnEvilYak: I'm glad I help increase your mail filter efficiency :-)
[01:48:38] <AnEvilYak> :P
[01:48:43] <phoudoin> bye
[01:48:46] <AnEvilYak> night!
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[02:00:13] <pyCube> i'll tell ya, i absolutely suck as an app tester
[02:01:14] <AnEvilYak> pyCube: you're not alone if it's any comfort
[02:01:21] <pyCube> heh
[02:01:48] <pyCube> i really appreciate that there are the sorts of people that have patience enough to do a good job at it.. but man to i pity them
[02:01:52] <pyCube> heh
[02:02:01] <pyCube> do i
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[02:33:29] <Disreali_> what is the CPUFrequency preflet supposed to do?
[02:34:37] <jprostko> not sure.  i tried it once and it crashed upon loading.
[02:34:38] <mmadia> seems it's a speedstep thingie
[02:35:22] <jprostko> yeah, probably is
[02:37:49] <aljen> mmadia: about that ftp structure, maybe editors/ games/ utils/ web/ graphics/ etc ? :)
[02:38:21] <mmadia> in reply to my new mail, aljen ?
[02:38:27] <aljen> yep :)
[02:39:16] <mmadia> i'd like to retain some structure from haikuports as it'll reduce any chance of confusion on deciding where to place something.
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[02:41:15] <jprostko> just make a "misc" folder and let all chaos ensue! ;)
[02:41:20] <aljen> current structure is ok for me, i was a gentoo user but others could be confused what's the difference between www-apps www-misc sth like that hehe
[02:41:29] <aljen> and a big readme :D
[02:43:15] <mmadia> true,  imo, the directory structure should be easy enough to navigate without needing another tool to assist.
[02:43:48] <aljen> maybe we really should need some kind of package manager at this time ? :)
[02:44:07] <aljen> maybe apt-get ? it would be a great tool for updates too ;p
[02:44:46] <aljen> i know its 'linux' thing, but i love apt hehe :)
[02:47:42] <umccullough> someone is working on a haiku-get
[02:48:23] <aljen> oo, didn't know that, nice :)
[02:49:02] <umccullough> don't think much exists yet
[02:49:21] <umccullough> http://www.bluetechnoids.org/wiki/doku.php?id=bps
[02:49:23] <mmadia> another question for the ftp struture.... should it be created as needed or should the major directories be put in place ?
[02:49:50] <pyCube> i always have the urge to say "gesundheit" when somebody says "haiku"
[02:50:01] <umccullough> haichoo
[02:50:25] <pyCube> haiku talkin' 'bout, willis?
[02:50:29] <aljen> pyCube: what's gesundheit means ? :)
[02:50:38] <pyCube> um.. healthness
[02:50:40] <pyCube> heh
[02:50:43] <aljen> mmadia: btw, stupid question, but what's wrong with svn ? :)
[02:51:11] <mmadia> distribution files shouldn't live in svn :)
[02:51:14] <jprostko> mmadia: i'd put them all there...or at least the ones that we definitely already have builds/ports for
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[03:40:05] <mmadia> when typically buildnig haiku, where is the 'generated' folder?     $(HAIKU_TOP)/generated ?
[03:44:47] <umccullough> yes
[03:45:32] <umccullough> which is why i usually create $(HAIKU_TOP)/generated-gcc2, -gcc4, -ppc, -m68k, -mipsel, -m68k :)
[03:45:53] <umccullough> cuz there's an svn ignore on /generated*
[03:46:12] <mmadia> i just keep it entirely outside of $(HAIKU_TOP)  :)
[03:46:20] <umccullough> chicken ;)
[03:46:33] <mmadia> paranoid :D
[03:46:40] <umccullough> i can move my entire haiku/trunk without breaking anything :D
[03:46:48] <mmadia> plus i keep the haiku sources on an SSD :P
[03:46:49] <umccullough> self-contained
[03:47:00] <umccullough> ah, well that's altogether different :)
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[04:18:56] <Disreali_> is there a netsurf 2.0 binary for Haiku?
[04:21:26] <Disreali_> found it
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[04:27:42] <mmadia> yeah, i haven't updated the optionalpackage for it yet.
[04:27:55] <mmadia> though the current one is very close to 2.0
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[04:30:21] <Disreali_> there is a zip on the netsurf site
[04:30:32] <mmadia> yes,  i gave it to them :)
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[04:31:03] <mmadia> they were very helpful in updating the Haiku port too
[04:31:53] <Disreali_> cool
[04:32:46] <Disreali_> the help menu items don't work
[04:33:37] <Disreali_> I'm definitely not acustomed to the interface.
[04:33:41] <mmadia> probably not implemented :)
[04:34:13] <Disreali_> ah
[04:38:11] <Disreali_> mmadia, iirc Installer simple copies files form one part to another, correct?
[04:38:25] <mmadia> and runs makebootable
[04:38:38] <mmadia> Installer also skips the swap file iirc.
[04:39:43] <Disreali_> If I backed up my 'home' dir ran installer to update my image, I could then recopy the home dir back, and my setting would be restored?
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[04:40:19] <AnEvilYak> only really need home/config/settings for that
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[04:41:32] <mmadia> aren't some attributes tagged to ~/Desktop?
[04:41:47] <AnEvilYak> mmadia: yes but they mainly have to do with backgrounds and the workspace configuration
[04:42:04] <AnEvilYak> actually just the backgrounds
[04:42:14] <Disreali_> AnEvilYak, yeah, but I have libs,menu and other settings I want to keep
[04:42:57] <AnEvilYak> ah, then yeah, you can copy those too
[04:45:53] <Disreali_> anyone know where the 'hosts' file is supposed to go in order to work properly? http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/3639
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[04:47:32] <AnEvilYak>  /system/etc I believe
[04:48:03] <AnEvilYak> the problem you're seeing is probably just the network stack not respecting that one properly yet
[04:48:20] <umccullough> yeah, i seem to recall that's an issue :/
[04:48:23] <pyCube_> i wonder how long it will take for my wife to recognize just how good peter gabriel era genesis is
[04:48:27] <Disreali_> I've tried that, /beos/etc and home/config/etc and none work
[04:48:30] * pyCube_ randoms
[04:48:44] <AnEvilYak> pyCube_: mm...genesis
[04:49:24] <Disreali_> I played my Genesis tape so much they broke
[04:53:03] <pyCube_> i just wish they'd have changed the name of the band after gabriel left.. it makes it difficult to get people to listen to old genesis when they have phil collins clogging their brains with blandness
[04:54:26] <pyCube_> worse.. blandness with a pop twist
[04:55:00] <AnEvilYak> pyCube_: which albums was he part of?
[04:55:12] <pyCube_> p bagriel?
[04:55:14] <Disreali_> the good ones
[04:55:14] <pyCube_> um
[04:55:16] <pyCube_> gabriel
[04:55:27] <AnEvilYak> pyCube_: yes
[04:55:30] <pyCube_> all of htem up through lamb..broadway
[04:55:41] <pyCube_> ~1976 or so
[04:56:03] <pyCube_> lamb, selling england..., foxtrot, nursery cryme, etc
[04:56:09] <AnEvilYak> hm...only one I have right now is Invisible Touch..
[04:56:12] * AnEvilYak looks up the year on that one
[04:57:02] <pyCube_> invisible touch isnt bad, if only because it reminds me of being a kid
[04:59:00] <pyCube_> hehe.. bagriel
[05:00:03] <pyCube_> i showed my kids the videos for 'sledgehammer' and 'big time' the other day.. they LOVED them
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[05:13:42] <MaggieMay> sending flowers to the techs tonight
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[05:14:31] <umccullough> ?
[05:18:52] <AnEvilYak> uh...
[05:18:53] <AnEvilYak> what?
[05:19:51] <umccullough> perhaps a stray message that landed in the wrong window? :/
[05:20:03] <AnEvilYak> I'm assuming?
[05:20:06] <mmadia> no... a stray troll that landed in #haiku
[05:20:22] <umccullough> oh, that name does sound familiar
[05:20:42] <AnEvilYak> weren't you just saying the other day how you were wondering how MaggieMay found #haiku?
[05:20:48] <mmadia> they'll normall start the conversation off by forgetting to put "/join " in front of the channel window.
[05:20:50] <mmadia> yes :\
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[06:33:29] <hdanak> does parted compile in haiku?
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[06:56:20] <umccullough> parted is sort of a linux app :P
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[06:58:24] <umccullough> http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/features.shtml
[06:58:30] <umccullough> says it supports "BeOS"
[06:58:41] <hdanak> yeah i think someone ported it
[06:58:43] <umccullough> i seem to recall yellowtab was working on that
[06:59:05] <umccullough> haiku has a different API for all that storage kit stuff IIRC
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[06:59:12] <umccullough> so, if it uses it...i dunno
[06:59:21] <umccullough> maybe it uses the raw device though
[07:00:02] <hdanak> and also it is gpl...
[07:00:35] <umccullough> yeah, that's always a bummer :)
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[07:01:39] <hdanak> was this ever fixed http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/169 ?
[07:02:22] <hdanak> i'm trying to compile a haiku image to try to fix it
[07:02:51] * umccullough_x looks
[07:03:15] <umccullough_x> jeez, i dunno
[07:03:25] <umccullough_x> seems like someone did something on that not long ago
[07:03:34] <umccullough_x> could probably check the commit history on the shutdown app
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[07:08:49] <umccullough_x> i have no clue where that code is even :P
[07:09:05] <hdanak> doesn't look like it
[07:09:17] <hdanak> at least from the changes made and the log
[07:09:40] <hdanak> its in servers/registrar/
[07:09:44] <umccullough_x> oh
[07:10:17] <umccullough_x> i wonder if it was an interface kit bug though
[07:10:17] <hdanak> hopefully this compile will end sometime today
[07:10:41] <umccullough_x> heh
[07:10:48] <umccullough_x> i've been compiling a lot today too :/.
[07:10:49] <umccullough_x> :/
[07:11:05] <umccullough_x> and now i'm on my old gx270 which hasn't been updated in a long time
[07:11:15] <hdanak> the idiots who designed my motherboard thought it would be fine to limit it to 512mb ram
[07:11:18] <umccullough_x> getting ready to update the gcc4 partition :P
[07:11:23] <umccullough_x> ick
[07:11:29] <umccullough_x> older machine?
[07:11:37] <hdanak> yeah, 1ghz PIII
[07:11:47] <umccullough_x> yeah, well, i don't think memory is your bottleneck ;)
[07:12:08] <hdanak> well, i think its swapping right now
[07:12:19] <hdanak> typing lags, heh
[07:12:22] <umccullough_x> maybe
[07:12:32] <hdanak> i think because it is keeping logs
[07:12:36] <umccullough_x> yeah, i seem to recall that jam uses just over 512mb
[07:12:43] <umccullough_x> for the whole haiku tree
[07:13:10] <umccullough_x> i've jam'd haiku on pii machines with 128mb ram though :P
[07:13:19] <umccullough_x> pii 450
[07:13:25] <MichaelDev> O_O wow that must have took forever lol
[07:13:27] <umccullough_x> basically one of those things you start before bed
[07:13:45] <hdanak> my older motherboard (same PIII) had 1.5, felt a bit faster (with larger workloads)
[07:14:15] <hdanak> yeesh, 885 MB of swap used
[07:14:27] <umccullough_x> i have a dual PIII 933mhz server in the garage i used for checking haiku compiles on various target archs
[07:14:34] <umccullough_x> 1.5gb ram though :)
[07:14:44] <umccullough_x> and scsi backplane
[07:15:10] <hdanak> yeah i plan on getting a newer computer soon (student loans!)
[07:15:27] <umccullough_x> even the POS i'm using right now beats a PIII :D
[07:15:33] <hdanak> heh
[07:15:37] <umccullough_x> P4 2.8ghz and 1gb ram
[07:15:41] <umccullough_x> freebie machine
[07:15:51] <hdanak> my other computer is a 500mhz G4 powerbook
[07:15:58] <hdanak> runs pretty well actually
[07:16:14] <MichaelDev> heh mines a 400Mhz G4 PB wish i had better though
[07:16:31] <hdanak> have compiled some rather large apps on it (not haiku, but have done freedroidRPG)
[07:16:38] <hdanak> didn't take too long
[07:16:53] <hdanak> maybe it was just psychological
[07:17:22] <umccullough_x> damnit, i gotta rebuild my gcc4 toolchain here first :(
[07:17:25] <umccullough_x> guess it's been a while
[07:17:39] <MichaelDev> i thought of compiling my haiku fork on my 400Mhz G4 but prob take forrrrever lmafo
[07:18:08] <hdanak> someone donated a dual 500mhz g4 to our school's robotics club
[07:18:26] <umccullough_x> :O
[07:18:29] <umccullough_x> yasm 0.5
[07:18:31] <MichaelDev> :O
[07:18:35] <umccullough_x> goddamnit
[07:18:40] <umccullough_x> why must this computer hate me
[07:18:43] <hdanak> haha
[07:18:44] <MichaelDev> lol
[07:19:34] <umccullough_x> having the right version in the buildtools was so much easier :/
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[07:20:26] <umccullough_x> oh, this is ubuntu hardy still
[07:21:08] <hdanak> hardy is probably the last one i'll install on here
[07:21:09] <MichaelDev> whats fun for me is keeping up with bugfixes in Haiku lol (im making a OS off Haiku cause it was the only OS that compiled for me lol)
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[07:22:11] <umccullough_x> i'm ditching ubuntu
[07:22:18] <umccullough_x> this is i think the only ubuntu box i still have
[07:22:19] <hdanak> what is it with the newer ubuntu ones (well, at least 8.10) are incredibly slow
[07:22:30] <umccullough_x> i've been using debian 5
[07:23:09] <MichaelDev> meh Ubuntu 9.04 is alright better then 8.10 in my opinion.
[07:23:24] <umccullough_x> ubuntu is just plain suck
[07:23:30] <umccullough_x> it used to be good
[07:23:43] <MichaelDev> Debian hates my laptop though or i would use it lol
[07:24:04] <umccullough_x> yeah, debian tends to hate a lot of hardware - until you enable some of the restricted stuff :/
[07:24:30] <pyCube_> i dunno.. ubuntu has always worked really well for me.. 9.04 is no exception
[07:24:40] <hdanak> 8.10?
[07:24:55] <pyCube_> sure
[07:24:59] <umccullough_x> ubuntu seems to only work well on brand new machines with nvidia graphics cards
[07:25:39] <hdanak> well, even with compiz disabled, 8.10 needed quite a bit of hacking to even function correctly
[07:25:40] <MichaelDev> ooh i found a bug in Haiku lol. PANIC: Fatal Exception "NMI Interrupt" occurred! Error Code: 0x0
[07:25:48] <umccullough_x> MichaelDev, that's known
[07:25:55] <umccullough_x> search trac for NMI
[07:25:59] <MichaelDev> k
[07:26:04] <hdanak> like terminal font being huge
[07:26:11] <umccullough_x> ugh, tell me about it
[07:26:18] <umccullough_x> i hate the default terminal font
[07:26:33] <hdanak> it was physically too large to be able to fix it
[07:26:35] <MichaelDev> it only happens on my Dell though so yeah
[07:26:39] <hdanak> i needed to ssh to it
[07:26:39] <umccullough_x> and - sometimes if my monitor is turned off when ubuntu boots up, the fonts are all trashed
[07:26:47] <umccullough_x> i don't understand why it does that
[07:27:02] <hdanak> did they fix any of this in 9.04?
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[07:29:08] * umccullough_x is still waiting for apt-get upgrade to finish
[07:29:32] <umccullough_x> looks like i got bumped a few kernel revs - this should prove interesting to see if the machine reboots even
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[07:29:43] <umccullough_x> usually it doesn't and i have to fiddle with shit
[07:29:45] <gcarrier> hi!
[07:30:13] <umccullough_x> often times it's a toasted grub menu.lst
[07:30:26] <gcarrier> small question: HW "requirements" for haiku (RAM to run nothing or text editor or so for example)
[07:30:36] <gcarrier> i didn't find anything anywhere :(
[07:30:48] <umccullough_x> well, nobody is really declaring what the requirements are
[07:31:05] <umccullough_x> it is sort of pre-alpha software, so the requirements could change at any time
[07:31:13] <joltz> low enough not to matter anyway?
[07:31:21] <umccullough_x> yeah
[07:31:27] <gcarrier> sure, but the current state
[07:31:38] <umccullough_x> i've booted haiku on a p75 laptop with 40mb ram
[07:31:41] <umccullough_x> does that count?
[07:31:41] <gcarrier> i read the kernel heap was way too high for "nothing"
[07:31:51] <gcarrier> umccullough_x: did it run smoothly? :)
[07:32:00] <umccullough_x> no, cuz the video was scrambled
[07:32:09] <umccullough_x> vesa was too old for haiku's vesa driver
[07:32:26] <umccullough_x> what do you want to know?
[07:32:37] <umccullough_x> when you start asking "smoothly" i think you're not going to get an answer
[07:34:21] <gcarrier> umccullough_x: how did you installed it btw? zeta?
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[07:34:28] <umccullough_x> god no
[07:34:38] <umccullough_x> i used linux to compile it onto an old laptop disk
[07:34:53] <umccullough_x> using an ide->notebook drive adapter
[07:34:57] <hdanak> for some reason vmware (ubuntu host) won't "find" the vmdk file for the haiku image
[07:35:12] <umccullough_x> was a 320mb disk iirc
[07:35:17] <joltz> noice
[07:35:53] <gcarrier> you have to compile it to install it on a HDD?
[07:36:01] <umccullough_x> it's a hell of a lot easier that way
[07:36:06] <umccullough_x> believe it or not
[07:36:50] <umccullough_x> otherwise you gotta fiddle with "makebootable" and shit, which is a disaster
[07:37:01] <umccullough_x> or use a haiku machine to copy it to another disk
[07:37:33] <hdanak> it somehow refuses to believe that the image exists
[07:37:46] <HaiColon> hdanak: did you download a vmware image? For a while now, the path to the vmdk in them has been wrong. just open the .vmx file in a text editor and change the filename of the vmdk file, or rename the .vmdk file
[07:37:48] <umccullough_x> hdanak, are you using a vmx file?
[07:38:02] <hdanak> yeah
[07:39:49] <hdanak> well, not sure what i would change, it seems to be correct
[07:40:13] <umccullough_x> time to reboot
[07:40:15] <umccullough_x> this machine is toast
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[07:40:42] <hdanak> haiku-alpha-gcc4.vmdk
[07:41:04] <HaiColon> are you sure? I don't remember it well because I don't use the images, but the vmx file either wants a haiku-alpha.vmdk but in the downloaded zip file is a haiku.vmdk or it wants a haiku.vmdk but there is only a haiku-alpha.vmdk
[07:41:26] <HaiColon> ah okay I haven't tried the gcc4 images yet, maybe they don't have that problem
[07:41:47] <hdanak> well, it asks me to browse for it, which i do...
[07:41:57] <hdanak> and it keeps asking the same thing
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[07:42:33] <umccullough_x> LIB, it worked
[07:43:26] <HaiColon> hm weird
[07:43:33] <hdanak> vmware doesn't have to be root, right?
[07:43:49] <MichaelDev> no i dont think so
[07:45:08] <HaiColon> just found a gcc4 image that I downloaded but never used, I'll try it out maybe I get the same infinite loop :)
[07:46:34] <HaiColon> ha, I get the same error
[07:46:46] <HaiColon> the path IS wrong
[07:47:07] <hdanak> hmm
[07:47:09] <HaiColon> it wants haiku-alpha-gcc4.vmdk but there is only a haiku-pre-alpha-gcc4.vmdk
[07:47:19] <gcarrier> umccullough_x: aaand... can haiku boot from USB? :)
[07:47:24] <umccullough_x> uh huh
[07:47:29] <umccullough_x> for like a year now
[07:47:42] <gcarrier> umccullough_x: aaand... can i make a bootable USB device FROM OSX? :)
[07:47:49] <umccullough_x> you can sure try
[07:48:02] <umccullough_x> if you dd an image over the entire usb device, it might work
[07:48:04] <gcarrier> umccullough_x: aaand... would it be complicated to turn a vmware disk image into a bootable usb device?
[07:48:10] <umccullough_x> yes
[07:48:11] <hdanak> HaiColon: tried fixing path, same thing
[07:48:17] <umccullough_x> gcarrier, you'd want to use a raw image
[07:48:20] <gcarrier> umccullough_x: and a qemu image?
[07:48:22] <HaiColon> hdanak: yeah I see, it's even weirder.
[07:48:23] <gcarrier> umccullough_x: so that's ok
[07:48:26] <gcarrier> umccullough_x: nice
[07:48:42] <gcarrier> umccullough_x: turning a vmware image into a raw image is easy -- boot on a linux vm :)
[07:48:42] <umccullough_x> let me be clear - those raw images are meant to be an entire disk, not a partition on a disk
[07:48:56] <gcarrier> umccullough_x: i'll dd it on a usb key :)
[07:49:00] <umccullough_x> there's an offset in the first block of the image that specifies the offset from the start of the disk to the boot block
[07:49:03] <umccullough_x> it is 0
[07:49:17] <umccullough_x> gcarrier,  just make sure you don't dd it to a partition on a usb key - but to the entire key
[07:49:33] <umccullough_x> oh, and i find usb boot to be hit-or-miss - some usb key brands work, others give me issue
[07:49:38] <umccullough_x> just in case you have issues :/
[07:49:41] <gcarrier> umccullough_x: would it be hard to write a utility that reads the mbr and update this value?
[07:49:49] <umccullough_x> there is one
[07:49:55] <umccullough_x> it's called "makebootabletiny.c"
[07:49:59] <umccullough_x> but it was written for linux
[07:49:59] <gcarrier> umccullough_x: i'm a linux distro maintainer -- i have ideas about what a partition is ;)
[07:50:17] <umccullough_x> gcarrier, well, a lot of people wander in here and have absolutely no clue
[07:50:22] <umccullough_x> a *lot*
[07:50:32] <umccullough_x> let me get you a linky
[07:50:52] <AlexForster> what do you maintain?
[07:50:56] <umccullough_x> http://stefanschramm.net/dev/makebootabletiny/makebootabletiny.c
[07:51:01] <pyCube_> arent partitions those things that women in old movies get naked behind?
[07:54:28] <gcarrier> AlexForster: some stuff in arch linux :)
[07:59:07] <umccullough_x> gcarrier, also, that offset isn't actually in the mbr, but in the first block of the partition - since the raw images have no partition table, ... the first block of the partition *is* the mbr ;)
[08:00:10] <hdanak> i guess i'll just run it in qemu then
[08:00:39] <umccullough_x> i hear the vmware images run pretty well in virtualbox
[08:01:25] <hdanak> well, that doesn't seem to work either
[08:01:31] <hdanak> it can't convert them
[08:01:34] <hdanak> for some reason
[08:02:27] <umccullough_x> don't convert it
[08:02:36] <umccullough_x> virtualbox can use a vmdk directly
[08:03:00] <hdanak> well, doesn't work here, i'll get the precise error in a moment
[08:03:48] <umccullough_x> ah well, i'll have to take your word for it cuz i don't use it either :/
[08:04:54] <gcarrier> sooo... performance impact of gcc4? :)
[08:05:00] <umccullough_x> minimal
[08:05:03] <hdanak> VMDK: descriptor does not start as expected ... (VERR_VDI_INVALID_HEADER).
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[08:05:13] <hdanak> and a bunch of other crap
[08:05:22] <umccullough_x> let's just say, haiku isn't optimized enough yet for the choice of compiler to make much difference :P
[08:05:44] <umccullough_x> hdanak, sounds like you're not using the vmware compatibility feature
[08:05:53] <umccullough_x> VDI is a different format entirely
[08:06:02] <umccullough_x> virtualbox 2.x?
[08:07:25] <hdanak> uh perhaps, i'm not going to try running it again, it took 10 minutes to load last time
[08:07:30] <hdanak> damn compile failed
[08:07:52] <hdanak> ...failed Link generated/objects/haiku/x86/release/apps/terminal/Terminal ...
[08:08:56] * umccullough_x is still waiting for his gcc4 toolchain to finish
[08:09:13] <hdanak> could that have anything to do with this failure?
[08:10:48] <hdanak> oh, at the beginning of jam, it gives this" warning: <src!bin!network!ftpd>ftpcmd.y depends on itself"
[08:11:14] <MichaelDev> i get that too it dont matter my Haiku compiles fine
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[08:12:35] <umccullough_x> yeah, that's no big deal
[08:12:45] <umccullough_x> you didn't say why your terminal failed
[08:12:51] <hdanak> hmm
[08:12:56] <umccullough_x> you should pastebin the error
[08:13:02] <hdanak> ok
[08:13:16] <umccullough_x> http://haiku.pastebin.com
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[08:15:15] <umccullough_x> yay, toolchain finished :)
[08:15:17] <hdanak> http://pastebin.com/m62f062d9
[08:15:18] <umccullough_x> jamming to my disk
[08:15:56] <umccullough_x> ew
[08:16:14] <umccullough_x> you've got a toasted env there
[08:16:20] <umccullough_x> might wanna just run jam -aq
[08:16:29] <hdanak> what does that do?
[08:16:39] <umccullough_x> well, you likely know what -q is
[08:16:48] <hdanak> quit on error?
[08:16:52] <umccullough_x> yeah
[08:17:10] <hdanak> so i guess this will be running all night
[08:17:12] <umccullough_x> but it almost does seem like your toolchain is toast
[08:17:18] <hdanak> do i do jam -aq haiku-image ?
[08:17:29] <umccullough_x> haiku-image is automatic
[08:17:34] <umccullough_x> just do jam -aq
[08:17:43] <umccullough_x> once that succeeds, you can worry about the target ;)
[08:18:03] <umccullough_x> looks like you're doing haiku-vmware-image anyway, right?
[08:18:28] <umccullough_x> it doesn't matter, once you get a successful jam -aq you're probably good to go
[08:18:50] <hdanak> should i rebuild the toolchain before that?
[08:19:17] <umccullough_x> try jam -aq first
[08:19:22] <hdanak> ok
[08:19:24] <umccullough_x> how fast is your machine?
[08:19:31] <hdanak> slow
[08:19:34] <umccullough_x> oh..right
[08:19:36] <umccullough_x> the piii
[08:19:38] <umccullough_x> hrm
[08:19:44] <umccullough_x> well, a jam -aq is gonna take a while
[08:19:55] <hdanak> i'll check back in the morning
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[09:16:19] <MaggieMay> greetings
[09:16:43] <MaggieMay> can i ask a question about plug ins
[09:17:02] <MaggieMay> can you have to many plugins downloaded on a computer
[09:17:14] <MaggieMay> and if you do will it make the computer go slower
[09:17:28] <MaggieMay> thank=you
[09:18:27] <CIA-15> axeld * r30654 /haiku/trunk/src/tools/fs_shell/command_cp.cpp:
[09:18:27] <CIA-15> * Don't let GuestNode::Init() fail if the attribute directory could not be
[09:18:27] <CIA-15> opened; not all file systems support this.
[09:20:02] <MaggieMay> helllllooooooo
[09:21:20] <MaggieMay> alakazam
[09:21:33] <MaggieMay> plug in question
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[09:22:18] <prOSy> hi
[09:22:22] <MaggieMay> hello
[09:22:33] <MaggieMay> if i have too many plugins downloaded
[09:22:40] <MaggieMay> will it make my computer go slower
[09:23:12] <geist> in theory
[09:23:16] <MichaelDev> lol
[09:23:16] <fcr> it depends on the kind of plugins
[09:23:20] <MichaelDev> i was just about to say that
[09:23:29] <MichaelDev> he beat me to it
[09:23:29] <MichaelDev> ^_^
[09:24:28] <umccullough> it's a very rare plugin that actually makes your computer go faster
[09:24:35] <MaggieMay> java and shockwave and silverlight and media player and default plug in
[09:24:43] <umccullough> ?
[09:24:48] <umccullough> you're in the wrong channel
[09:24:51] <umccullough> this isn't windows
[09:25:38] <MaggieMay> is there a windows channel
[09:25:49] <fcr> MaggieMay: of course
[09:25:49] <umccullough> and this isn't it
[09:25:56] <fcr> #windows
[09:26:32] <umccullough> bye bye now!
[09:26:35] <MaggieMay> thanks
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[09:36:24] <bruno> hi all
[09:36:24] <andguent> wtf
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[09:37:02] <Guest55251> is it normal to be relinked to http://ns2.harbourwalk.org/ when logging in to WWW:HAIKUWARE:COMß
[09:37:27] <umccullough> haikuware is run on a shared server
[09:37:58] <Guest55251> Ah ok thought it is a phising site... lol
[09:38:22] <umccullough> all resolve to the same ip address
[09:38:27] <umccullough> including bebits.com
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[09:38:40] <Guest55251> didnt know that, thx
[09:39:12] <umccullough> i rarely visit haikuware
[09:39:30] <umccullough> but i gather they've been doing some server maintenance
[09:40:27] <umccullough> i must sleep, 'night
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[09:57:47] <CIA-15> * We now ignore associated files. This makes the double entries of bug #3861
[09:57:47] <CIA-15> disappear.
[09:57:47] <CIA-15> * When parsing rock ridge attributes, we no longer stop when we encounter an
[09:57:47] <CIA-15> unknown one. Instead, we just parse through until the end. The ISO image as
[09:57:48] <CIA-15> part of #3861 also made this visible.
[09:57:52] <CIA-15> * Minor cleanup.
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[13:35:15] <aljen> hey
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[14:22:53] <Carbamide> Good morning
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[14:32:48] <stpere> hi Carbamide
[14:33:09] <Carbamide> How goes it this morning
[14:33:12] <Carbamide> ?
[14:33:54] <gordonjcp> afternoon all
[14:34:36] <stpere> quit good
[14:34:41] <stpere> quite*
[14:34:45] <stpere> hehe, lapsus
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[14:57:38] <CIA-15> bga * r30656 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/net/DHCPClient.cpp: - Fix DHCP client when multiple interfaces are present in the system.
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[15:46:10] <helf|laptop> good lord
[15:46:14] <helf|laptop> the new kindle is huge
[15:46:25] <Carbamide> heh
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[15:50:27] <helf|laptop> looks like something my grandmother would love, tho
[15:51:44] <Hodapp> I am sticking with my Hanlin V3 with native support for an ass-ton of formats
[15:53:11] <helf|laptop> i want that rollup one!
[15:53:13] <helf|laptop> :(
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[15:54:13] <helf|laptop> Hodapp,  whats the battery life like ?
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[16:06:12] <leszek> hi
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[16:18:39] <Hodapp> helf|laptop: damn near forever.
[16:18:57] <helf|laptop> heh
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[16:19:04] <helf|laptop> maybe ill get one of those..
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[16:19:13] <Hodapp> helf|laptop: Reading for a few hours a day, I've gone for weeks without needing a recharge.
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[16:20:34] <helf|laptop> niiice
[16:20:38] <Hodapp> very.
[16:20:55] <helf|laptop> sounds like the battery life on my handera 330 when i was using it for ebooks
[16:21:04] <helf|laptop> ~3 weeks per charge of heavy use
[16:21:26] <Hodapp> What's "heavy use"?
[16:21:54] <helf|laptop> 3 hours of reading almost every night
[16:22:14] <helf|laptop> i ran it with the cpu downclocked to 10mhz. lasted forever on a charge :)
[16:27:40] <helf|laptop> well, i guess that isnt very heavy use
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[16:32:18] <Hodapp> my problem with most LCDs is that they kill my eyes with any kind of heavy use
[16:35:48] <helf|laptop> the he330 was pretty nice.. greyscale and had an indigo backlight that was easy on the eyes. at least it was easy on mine
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[16:56:52] * helf|laptop wants a hanlin
[16:57:07] <helf|laptop> i could fit gobs of ebooks on a 32gb sd card...
[16:57:14] <helf|laptop> ooo.. it handles compressed files too
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[17:01:53] <helf|laptop> i like how all the hanlin v3s on ebay are listed for $349 and the products actual homepage lists it at $299
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[17:48:29] <CIA-15> bonefish * r30657 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/debuganalyzer/model/ThreadModel.cpp:
[17:48:29] <CIA-15> Fixed cause of potential crash. The binary search could have found the count as
[17:48:29] <CIA-15> final index and accessed the non-existing item.
[17:50:49] <CIA-15> bonefish * r30658 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/debuganalyzer/gui/chart/ (Chart.cpp Chart.h):
[17:50:49] <CIA-15> * Implemented zooming the domain of the chart (via Shift + Wheel).
[17:50:49] <CIA-15> * The scrolling related computations used a slightly off chart width/height.
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[17:51:45] <CIA-15> bonefish * r30659 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/debuganalyzer/gui/thread_window/ActivityPage.cpp: Enabled zooming the chart.
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[18:09:27] <Hugen_> hey all
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[18:16:38] <CIA-15> bonefish * r30660 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/debuganalyzer/gui/chart/ (Chart.cpp Chart.h):
[18:16:38] <CIA-15> * Added support for panning with the mouse.
[18:16:38] <CIA-15> * Some simplifications.
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[18:37:36] <Hugen_> hi Teknomancer
[18:37:51] <Teknomancer> hi Hugen_
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[19:11:02] <Cenobit> wow ... this OS is geat
[19:11:04] <Cenobit> >(
[19:11:11] <Cenobit> :)
[19:12:45] <DeadYak> :)
[19:13:03] <andguent> \o/
[19:13:04] <stpere> hi Cenobit :)
[19:13:08] <andguent> praise the lord. praise haiku
[19:13:20] <stpere> amen to that :)
[19:17:37] <Hugen_> :D
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[19:31:08] <Teknomancer> haiku rocks maaehnn  \m/
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[20:25:11] <MaggieMay> #microsoft
[20:25:31] <MichaelDev> o.O
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[20:26:23] <mmadia> MaggieMay  : you need to type   "/join #microsoft"  without quotes.
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[20:27:41] <AlienSoldier> "/join #Evil Empire"
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[20:30:50] <Hugen_> heh
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[20:37:49] <helf|laptop> ....
[20:38:13] <mmadia42> hey josh
[20:38:16] <helf|laptop> hi
[20:38:41] <helf|laptop> we are moving to a temp location tomorrow
[20:38:42] <helf|laptop> :/
[20:38:44] <helf|laptop> going to suck
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[20:39:52] <stpere> is vision quite stable under haiku?
[20:40:13] <helf|laptop> quite possibly
[20:40:14] <helf|laptop> :D
[20:40:46] <stpere> :P
[20:40:53] <mmadia> the only time my vision isn't stable under haiku is when i've had one too many drinks
[20:41:01] <stpere> haha!
[20:41:12] <stpere> that keyboard makes a lot of typos lately
[20:41:19] <DeadYak> stpere: I've had it running in Haiku for 1.5 weeks+ before
[20:41:33] <stpere> DeadYak: nice :)
[20:42:11] <stpere> I suppose the only major feature it's lacking is good UTF-8 support..
[20:42:36] <DeadYak> stpere: huh? It handles UTF-8 fine
[20:42:41] <stpere> oh
[20:43:13] <stpere> I was speaking to someone that got problems with it (and supposed he was under vision..)
[20:43:30] <stpere> maybe he just was logged in (was using) iso-....
[20:43:43] <DeadYak> default is iso-8559-1
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[20:43:51] <stpere> ah yes, that might be why
[20:45:08] <stpere> so, DeadYak, you've not been touched by that twister, I hope?
[20:45:20] <DeadYak> stpere: nope, that was around 8km west of 5
[20:45:28] <DeadYak> something like .25km south of a coworker's house though
[20:45:34] <stpere> eek
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[20:47:19] <helf|laptop> wow, close call
[20:47:26] <helf|laptop> how big of a tornado was it?
[20:47:50] <DeadYak> one sec
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[20:48:10] <DeadYak> * ESTIMATED PEAK WIND: 115.0 MPH
[20:48:11] <DeadYak> * PRELIMINARY RATING: EF-2
[20:48:13] <DeadYak> * PATH LENGTH: 10.9 MILES
[20:48:14] <DeadYak> * MAXIMUM PATH WIDTH: 75 YARDS
[20:48:59] <helf|laptop> ah, not too bad then
[20:49:07] <DeadYak> not that familiar with tornado category ratings myself though
[20:49:14] <DeadYak> it mostly just took out a crapload of trees
[20:49:21] <DeadYak> since the ground's been so saturated from all the rain
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[20:54:43] <Hugen_> re
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[21:43:05] <MaggieMay> hello
[21:43:16] <CIA-15> jackburton * r30661 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/ (Menu.cpp MenuItem.cpp): BMenuItem didn't draw the modifier indicator for B_OPTION_KEY. Fixes ticket #3887
[21:43:16] <geist> hola
[21:43:21] <MaggieMay> why does a computer crash every now and then
[21:43:27] <geist> ...
[21:43:31] <JonathanThompson> Depends on the computer :)
[21:43:45] <JonathanThompson> (And the software/hardware installed, and the user, and the...)
[21:43:47] <helf|laptop> because it has demons in it!
[21:43:54] <MaggieMay> i know i'm not in the right room but this is just a basic question
[21:44:03] * JonathanThompson notes helf|laptop has horns
[21:44:04] <geist> helf is teh winnar
[21:44:05] <helf|laptop> you must perform and exorcism !
[21:44:05] <MaggieMay> it's vista, microsoft
[21:44:15] <helf|laptop> get a priest
[21:44:16] <helf|laptop> and some candles
[21:44:18] <helf|laptop> and a goat
[21:44:28] <JonathanThompson> And a gold chalice.
[21:44:36] <MaggieMay> thanks i can be the goat
[21:44:37] <helf|laptop> and some whiskey
[21:44:42] <MaggieMay> the scapegoat
[21:44:50] <helf|laptop> MaggieMay,  what error message does it give you?
[21:44:57] <geist> gonna sacrifice yourself? that's a feat
[21:45:05] <JonathanThompson> No: the escape goat: pet you and return without committing to an action ;)
[21:45:05] <MaggieMay> if you have to many downloads will this cause it to crash
[21:45:20] <helf|laptop> thats.. bizarre..
[21:45:26] <helf|laptop> whats program are you using to download files?
[21:46:24] <MaggieMay> mozilla
[21:46:27] <MaggieMay> firefox
[21:46:37] <MaggieMay> microsoft vista windows
[21:46:42] <helf|laptop> so is the entire OS crashing or just firefox?
[21:46:50] <helf|laptop> like, does the computer freeze or reboot?
[21:47:03] <MaggieMay> yes it reboots
[21:47:13] <helf|laptop> and it only does it in firefox?
[21:47:28] <MaggieMay> it says a crash everything goes away and then it says to restart
[21:47:37] <MaggieMay> yes firefox
[21:47:41] <JonathanThompson> Restart *what*?
[21:47:52] <helf|laptop> does it say to restart the entire computer or just firefox?
[21:47:58] <MaggieMay> i press the button and the computer comes back with my sites
[21:48:28] <geist> MaggieMay: i dont happen to know you do i?
[21:48:41] <MaggieMay> i was trying to download adobe and it gave me a message that says the download did not pass the integrity check resume?
[21:48:48] <geist> please dont bring this over here
[21:48:54] <geist> these people got nothing against you
[21:49:00] <helf|laptop> hehe
[21:49:05] <helf|laptop> yet
[21:49:06] <helf|laptop> :)
[21:49:19] <JonathanThompson> The day's still young ;)
[21:49:20] <MaggieMay> what was that adobe message about
[21:49:36] <MaggieMay> geist what are you talking about
[21:49:49] <geist> MaggieMay: I think you know
[21:49:57] * JonathanThompson suggests MaggieMay find a local live human geek to ask, preferably ones that service such things as MaggieMay has popping up error messages
[21:50:02] <MaggieMay> should i press yes on that adobe message
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[21:50:29] <JonathanThompson> I think you should press the Alt- and F4 key at the same time right now, MaggieMay.
[21:50:49] <geist> MaggieMay: riight. like I said, please dont bring this here
[21:50:54] <geist> leave it back in #osdev
[21:51:02] <Rakhun> JonathanThompson: you mean a virus-service person? :D
[21:51:03] <MaggieMay> well thanks for the help and remember to make a great tuna casserole to grate a cup of carrott in the dish
[21:51:08] <MaggieMay> have a great day
[21:51:36] * Carbamide blinks
[21:51:54] * helf|laptop blinks
[21:52:00] * helf|laptop blinks his other eye
[21:52:21] *** MaggieMay was kicked by geist (geist)
[21:52:38] <helf|laptop> quick, set up every possible ban filter
[21:52:51] <geist> is there a public active log of this channel?
[21:52:58] <mmadia> yes in topic
[21:53:00] <helf|laptop> baton down the hatches, raise the gang plank
[21:53:01] <helf|laptop> yes
[21:53:13] <mmadia> IRC logs: http://echelog.matzon.dk/?haiku
[21:53:25] <geist> damn
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[21:53:41] <geist> if it is him, he loves to follow himself with the logs
[21:53:47] <helf|laptop> oh no
[21:53:57] <helf|laptop> we had a few people like this back when i used efnet
[21:54:00] <helf|laptop> PITA
[21:54:12] <geist> yeah, we have one on #osdev that is really destroying the channel
[21:54:25] <geist> i'm worried he's followed me over here
[21:54:40] <JonathanThompson> Happen to know any henchmen, geist ?
[21:54:45] <helf|laptop> does he connect through stuff like Tor or what?
[21:54:49] <geist> yep
[21:55:00] <helf|laptop> I hate it when people abuse services..
[21:55:15] <geist> i actually kind of doubt MaggieMay is the same one, to be honest. the ip address is just a regular dialup on verizon
[21:55:28] <geist> but if it's mibbit or any of those java based irc things it's automatically suspect
[21:55:37] * helf|laptop uses mibbit
[21:55:40] <helf|laptop> stop staring at me
[21:55:43] <geist> exactly
[21:55:44] <helf|laptop> you've known me forever ;P
[21:55:51] * JonathanThompson stairs at helf|laptop
[21:55:59] <geist> well one of the fun things he's also been doing is using other people's nicks
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[21:56:11] <helf|laptop> oh fun
[21:56:11] <geist> he's even starting messaging people from geist_work
[21:56:16] <JonathanThompson> I tread on you, helf|laptop, and I will rise over you as I run forward!
[21:56:17] <geist> saying a bunch of random shit
[21:56:28] <helf|laptop> you should keep all your nicks logged on and just not in a channel
[21:56:36] <helf|laptop> heh
[21:56:38] <geist> yeah, but i never use any other nicks
[21:56:48] <geist> i'm geist, always been geist, never plan on changing
[21:56:53] <geist> i dont do that dumb nick status thing
[21:56:58] <JonathanThompson> Time to register then, then, if you can.
[21:57:01] <helf|laptop> ah
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[21:57:14] <geist> anyhoo, carry on
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[21:58:32] <Carbamide> (I work nights)
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[22:05:20] <HeTo> hehe, "CIA-18 seems to be sad at the moment: 22.6% lines contained sad faces. :(
[22:05:21] <HeTo> CIA-11 is also a sad person, crying 20.8% of the time."
[22:05:50] <HeTo> what code quality? :-P
[22:06:36] <helf|laptop> lol
[22:06:38] <stpere> lol
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[22:16:07] <MaggieMay> #microsoft
[22:16:14] <helf|laptop> ...
[22:16:21] <stpere> oh god
[22:16:32] <iMax_pp> geist...
[22:16:37] <AlienSoldier> for a good time, dial #microsoft
[22:16:38] <ziomatto> MaggieMay: stop it please
[22:16:40] <stpere> MaggieMay: you have too much free time
[22:17:19] <stpere> the - is judicious :)
[22:17:33] <JonathanThompson> yup! :)
[22:19:05] <MaggieMay> i am not bothering anyone and i subscribe to mozilla firefox and this site was an add on and i don't appreciate being disrespected
[22:19:17] <MaggieMay> i had asked normal questions concerning my computer
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[22:19:37] <MaggieMay> i don't have the knowledge all of you do when it comes to computers
[22:19:41] <stpere> so, why do you begin with #microsoft?
[22:19:52] <stpere> what is it used for?
[22:19:53] <MaggieMay> because the last
[22:20:01] <MaggieMay> tech told me to go to microsoft
[22:20:08] <DeadYak> except you're not in #microsoft
[22:20:08] <MaggieMay> and the other night i needed help
[22:20:19] <MaggieMay> so i went to that channel and people helped me
[22:20:21] <DeadYak> try /join #microsoft
[22:20:40] <MaggieMay> i am greatly so sorry to bother all of you and i will take off this add on
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[22:21:06] <helf|laptop> aw, i feel bad ;)
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[22:21:27] <stpere> yay
[22:21:31] * iMax_pp sighs
[22:21:39] <MichaelDev> O.O
[22:21:47] <MichaelDev> the heck was that O.o
[22:22:24] <AlienSoldier> don't know, but i can't remove the idea of a strap-on when reading that phrase
[22:22:30] <qoreQ> lmao
[22:22:39] <helf|laptop> heh
[22:23:01] <DeadYak> reading what phrase?
[22:23:15] <Rakhun> "... i will take off this add on"
[22:23:24] <DeadYak> Rakhun: I assume they're referring to chatzilla
[22:23:51] <joltz> where can I subscribe to firefox
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[22:23:53] <Rakhun> maybe.. but does chatzilla autojoin #haiku by default?
[22:23:56] <Hugen_> re
[22:24:01] <DeadYak> no
[22:24:03] <stpere> Rakhun: no :)
[22:24:44] <Rakhun> I didn't think so.. so someone is still intentionally trolling
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[22:24:55] <stpere> yeah, seems so
[22:25:23] <helf|laptop> it was umccullough  testing hte channels friendliness
[22:25:31] <umccullough_w> ?
[22:25:36] <Rakhun> since he claimed it all came from an addon though, got me thinking that maybe there is an add on troll somewhere making bad add ons
[22:25:37] <MichaelDev> lmafo
[22:25:58] <mmadia> guys, please drop this.
[22:26:14] * JonathanThompson drops mmadia
[22:26:23] <JonathanThompson> Oh, wait, that's not what you meant! :D
[22:26:28] <geist> yeah, i'm guessing it wasn't our troll
[22:26:31] <geist> she/he is just annoying
[22:26:51] <geist> if they can't get the hint, then more drastic measures need to happen
[22:28:14] <JonathanThompson> I'm still not convinced that they're innocent noobs.
[22:28:31] <JonathanThompson> Otherwise, they'd say something at least regarding poetry.
[22:28:40] <AlienSoldier> lol
[22:29:55] <AlienSoldier> ho, i see, haiku poetry, i was thinking you were refering to general noob like in my family that email me "good tought" poetry with pink background
[22:30:17] <geist> nope, i agree
[22:30:23] <geist> i think it's a troll
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[22:30:49] <geist> remember the other day when there was all this talk about girls in the channel, and then suddently a couple of more girls showed up? same ip address iirc
[22:30:58] 
[22:31:02] <geist> which means she/he knows how to drive irc much better than they're letting it on
[22:31:38] <MichaelDev> man i hate this Dell wont boot VOES/Haiku worth a crap >_<
[22:31:50] <MichaelDev> correction on / or
[22:31:53] <AlienSoldier> enough for a irc david lee roth video clip?
[22:32:20] <geist> or, dont forget: http://thetyser.com/
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[22:33:48] * MichaelDev throws Dell at a wall and dances lol
[22:36:43] <Hugen_> DeadYak: was something remake in net_server or realtek 8139 driver recently?
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[22:40:54] <Hugen_> Mixer: co Ty po kanałach tak latasz :P
[22:41:37] <helf|laptop> i love foreign languages
[22:41:58] <helf|laptop> kartpf e skisttles!
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[22:44:38] <Hugen_> I obtain me, then language is not strange :P
[22:46:05] <helf|laptop> did i say anything?
[22:46:41] <Hugen_> yes: foreign
[22:46:46] <Hugen_> :)
[22:47:04] <Hugen_> smile
[22:47:27] <DeadYak> Hugen_: why do you ask?
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[22:49:14] <Hugen_> because I have problem from 2 weeks: my realtek not connected with DHCP durning reboot
[22:49:33] <aljen> hey =)
[22:49:42] <DeadYak> dunno on that one
[22:50:05] <DeadYak> BGA did fix DHCP to work when there are multiple network adapters present this morning though
[22:50:09] <DeadYak> but that sounds like a different issue
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[22:52:18] <HeTo> does loopback and a NIC count as multiple adapters?
[22:52:25] <DeadYak> no.
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[22:52:46] <DeadYak> if that were the case it wouldn't have worked for anyone
[22:52:48] <Hugen_> yes, I tested with this fix, but nothing special for me
[22:53:02] <DeadYak> no idea sorry
[22:53:09] <Hugen_> sic
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[22:53:15] <miqlas> loopback is only an logical device, right?
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[22:55:14] <Hugen_> I will take logs and listdev and throw in ticket
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[22:58:20] <helf|laptop> later guys
[22:58:32] <Hugen_> bay
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[22:59:01] <Hugen_> bye
[22:59:04] <Hugen_> sic
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[23:10:54] <CIA-15> jackburton * r30662 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/Menu.cpp: Lock the root menu before calling BMenuItem::Invoke(). This fixes #3842, although in some circumstances could introduce a deadlock (if someone does strange things in Invoke(), for example).
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[23:14:19] <prOSy> hi
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[23:18:59] <mmadia> regarding the configure option --use-xattr,  the following filesystems support xattr : ext2, ext3, ext4, JFS, ReiserFS, XFS, and BSD's UFS1 and UFS2.
[23:19:23] <mmadia> is it actually required on any of those FS's?
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[23:22:43] <mmu_man> mmadia it fails here on ext3
[23:22:49] <mmu_man> on Expander IIRC
[23:23:06] <mmu_man> which has many supported types = too large xatt
[23:23:39] <mmu_man> + you need to explicitely enable it in fstab
[23:25:50] <mmadia> so, would that be a limitation|failure of ext3 or of linux's kernel support?
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[23:36:28] <CIA-15> axeld * r30663 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/iso9660/ (iso9660.cpp kernel_interface.cpp):
[23:36:28] <CIA-15> * The code in fs_walk() duplicates the one in ISOReadDir() mostly, and suffered
[23:36:28] <CIA-15> from the same "associated file" problem as the latter. This now finally fixes
[23:36:28] <CIA-15> bug #3861. This badly needs some cleanup.
[23:36:28] <CIA-15> * Fixed a possible problem I introduced in ISOReadDir() (did not read the next
[23:36:31] <CIA-15> block even if it should have).
[23:36:33] <CIA-15> * Fixed warnings with debug output turned on.
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