May 5, 2009 
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May 5, 2009 [00:00:56] <pfoetchen> gumstix would make development a bit easyer but I think that more people have a beagleboard than a gumstix...[00:01:00] <mmu_laptop> yeah I've read the log[00:01:18] <mmu_laptop> of course not same cpu[00:01:19] *** DBAlex has joined #haiku[00:01:31] <mmu_laptop> which are the targets QEMU supports N[00:01:32] <mmu_laptop> N[00:01:34] <mmu_laptop> ?[00:02:04] <pfoetchen> they have the same cpu (overo fire/water and beagleboard at least)[00:02:22] <mmu_laptop> revol@debian:~$ qemu-system-arm -M ?[00:02:22] <mmu_laptop> Supported machines are:[00:02:23] <mmu_laptop> integratorcp ARM Integrator/CP (ARM926EJ-S) (default)[00:02:23] <mmu_laptop> versatilepb ARM Versatile/PB (ARM926EJ-S)[00:02:24] <mmu_laptop> versatileab ARM Versatile/AB (ARM926EJ-S)[00:02:25] <mmu_laptop> realview ARM RealView Emulation Baseboard (ARM926EJ-S)[00:02:25] <mmu_laptop> akita Akita PDA (PXA270)[00:02:26] <mmu_laptop> spitz Spitz PDA (PXA270)[00:02:28] <mmu_laptop> borzoi Borzoi PDA (PXA270)[00:02:29] <mmu_laptop> terrier Terrier PDA (PXA270)[00:02:32] <mmu_laptop> sx1-v1 Siemens SX1 (OMAP310) V1[00:02:33] <mmu_laptop> sx1 Siemens SX1 (OMAP310) V2[00:02:36] <mmu_laptop> cheetah Palm Tungsten|E aka. Cheetah PDA (OMAP310)[00:02:38] <mmu_laptop> n800 Nokia N800 tablet aka. RX-34 (OMAP2420)[00:02:39] <pfoetchen> there is a qemu with beagleboard emulation from maemo[00:02:39] <mmu_laptop> n810 Nokia N810 tablet aka. RX-44 (OMAP2420)[00:02:42] <mmu_laptop> lm3s811evb Stellaris LM3S811EVB[00:02:44] <mmu_laptop> lm3s6965evb Stellaris LM3S6965EVB[00:02:46] <mmu_laptop> connex Gumstix Connex (PXA255)[00:02:48] <mmu_laptop> verdex Gumstix Verdex (PXA270)[00:02:50] <mmu_laptop> mainstone Mainstone II (PXA27x)[00:02:51] <mmu_laptop> musicpal Marvell 88w8618 / MusicPal (ARM926EJ-S)[00:02:54] <mmu_laptop> tosa Tosa PDA (PXA255)[00:02:56] <mmu_laptop> n810 :)[00:02:57] <mmu_laptop> ok, well there is a diff for about anything, even the Neo Freerunner :)[00:03:00] <mmadia> The gumstix would most likely be limited to either Earth or Water, as the Tobi expansion board doesnt work with Air or Fire.[00:04:55] <pfoetchen> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/qemu/ yep water sounds interresting since it has the same processor as the beagleboard[00:05:19] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[00:05:33] <pfoetchen> and we don't realy need the bluetooth and the wlan yet ;)[00:06:41] <mmadia> so, is there a diff for the gumstix water? OMAP3530 ?[00:09:56] <mmu_laptop> note this is with qemu git HEAD[00:10:35] <mmadia> it seems they have a serial nullmodem cable :http://gumstix.com/store/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=85[00:11:47] *** NewHaikuFan has quit IRC[00:12:35] <pfoetchen> the summit expansion board has the usb-console included[00:12:49] <mmadia> right, but we want Tobi.[00:12:56] <mmadia> as that includes wired lan.[00:13:08] <pfoetchen> it has usb console, too[00:13:55] *** glootech is now known as george_clooney[00:13:55] <pfoetchen> so no need for the extra cable afaik[00:14:03] <mmadia> ah.[00:16:00] <mmadia> have you looked at the accessories? http://gumstix.com/store/catalog/accessories.php[00:16:18] *** george_clooney is now known as glootech[00:19:55] <pfoetchen> so only thing I would need would be an hdmi->dvi cable but I can get that for cheaper here[00:20:22] <mmadia> what about mini-B to standard-A ?[00:20:43] <pfoetchen> I think I have such a cable[00:21:52] * Carbamide is building haiku from svn[00:22:20] <Carbamide> There are some excellent build guides out there! :-)[00:22:32] <mmadia> Carbamide : which ones? :)[00:22:46] <mmadia> i'm currently organizing some documentation on haiku's site.[00:22:57] <Carbamide> http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/haiku/haiku/trunk/docs/userguide/en/installation/install-source-linux.html[00:23:02] <Carbamide> I thought that one was pretty good[00:23:04] <mmadia> ah, nice :)[00:25:10] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[00:26:23] <geist> tobi is a superset of summit[00:27:13] <mmadia> riiight.[00:29:04] <mmadia> geist : is Water the board you were considering?[00:29:39] <geist> probably, dont need the wifi or bluetoof[00:29:51] <geist> since yeah the tobi only works against those[00:30:27] <mmadia> can you think of any accessories that would be useful?[00:30:32] <mmadia> aside from power.[00:31:23] <geist> not really[00:31:31] <geist> aside from the usual cables and whatnot[00:33:49] *** Negr0 has joined #haiku[00:41:18] *** redblue has joined #haiku[00:44:00] *** scanty has quit IRC[00:49:41] *** luroh has quit IRC[00:50:36] *** andguent has quit IRC[00:50:36] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[00:50:50] *** atomozero has quit IRC[00:58:45] *** nibble has quit IRC[01:03:26] *** Colin_Finck has quit IRC[01:05:48] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[01:08:37] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[01:08:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[01:11:24] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[01:18:54] * Carbamide reboots to try his first ever haiku build[01:18:58] *** Carbamide has quit IRC[01:19:15] <aurynn> hmm.[01:19:18] <aurynn> helf|laptop, ping[01:24:46] <mmu_laptop> aw, Minix gets 2.4MEUR funding by EU[01:24:46] <mmu_laptop> http://www.lemondeinformatique.fr/actualites/lire-minix-un-os-open-source-stable-desormais-finance-par-l-ue-28517.html[01:24:55] <mmu_laptop> that's disgusting :p[01:25:02] <mmadia> 2.4Million?[01:25:34] *** wildur has quit IRC[01:25:38] * mmadia runs sed -e 's/Haiku/Minix/g' on website :P[01:25:53] <mmu_laptop> yeah[01:26:20] <stpere> hehe[01:26:58] <BePhantom> does minix still exist?[01:27:02] <stpere> of course[01:27:05] <BePhantom> :P[01:27:08] <stpere> nothing can kill a zombie[01:27:15] <aurynn> a shot to the head can :)[01:27:16] <stpere> well, you can chop his head off[01:27:20] <stpere> :)[01:27:29] <stpere> any volunteer?[01:27:32] <stpere> :)[01:32:45] *** MrSunshine__ has joined #haiku[01:32:50] *** MrSunshine_ has quit IRC[01:33:14] <BePhantom> im freezing :P[01:33:34] *** MrSunshine_ has joined #haiku[01:34:39] <stpere> BePhantom: better? :)[01:35:06] <BePhantom> :D[01:39:19] *** pyCube_ has quit IRC[01:39:23] <BePhantom> is Fanboys good?[01:39:40] <stpere> good?[01:39:56] <stpere> I would say.. yes.. hmm.. no.. maybe? :)[01:39:59] <BePhantom> yes, the movie[01:40:02] <stpere> oh[01:40:10] <stpere> didn't see it :)[01:40:23] <BePhantom> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0489049/[01:40:49] <BePhantom> im reading this article http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/163903/has_ubuntu_reached_the_end_of_the_line.html[01:41:03] <BePhantom> according to pc world ubuntu is already ahead of windows and macos[01:41:31] <stpere> possible[01:42:00] *** adamk has quit IRC[01:42:58] <BePhantom> imo it still needs more tweaking[01:43:16] <stpere> imo, it's at least possible to tweak it :)[01:43:47] <BePhantom> and a package like pbi[01:44:20] <BePhantom> one directory for each app to eliminate dependency issues[01:44:33] <stpere> that's definitely not the linux way[01:44:49] <BePhantom> when that happens i'll say it's ahead of its competitors :)[01:45:29] <BePhantom> it will be haiku's way right?[01:45:59] <stpere> I'm not to take decisions in that department :P[01:47:37] <BePhantom> BeOS was like that, everything in one folder[01:47:49] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[01:47:56] <BePhantom> very simple to install and delete[01:48:55] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[01:55:13] *** nibble has joined #haiku[01:56:36] *** geek_ has joined #haiku[01:59:30] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[02:02:06] <rennj> some beos apps like pbi, but you did sometimes have /boot/home/config/ crap[02:02:22] <rennj> like /boot/home/config/lib[02:02:27] <rennj> like /boot/home/config/bin[02:02:32] <rennj> like /boot/home/config/settings[02:03:41] <rennj> lots of lib/bin crap i guess was gnu stuff but still[02:08:18] <rennj> how many apps you remember with the "drop me here" links[02:08:32] <rennj> part of install process[02:10:07] *** DBAlex has quit IRC[02:18:53] *** Disreali has quit IRC[02:30:39] <xRaich[o]2x> BePhantom: I don't really see Ubuntu ahead of mac os... but well :P[02:31:21] <Hodapp> depends on your benchmark.[02:31:42] <mmadia> speaking of ubuntu, is this still required ? http://www.haiku-os.org/documents/dev/building_haiku_on_ubuntu_linux_step_by_step#comment-10643[02:31:46] <xRaich[o]2x> operating systems are a very personal thing[02:32:21] <mmadia> nm. it is not required.[02:32:33] <rennj> how is nfs coming mmadia[02:32:41] <rennj> and fuse[02:32:53] <mmadia> mmadia != mmu_man :P[02:33:11] <rennj> heh[02:33:17] <mmadia> otherwise, mmu_man plopped some recent checkins for nfs a day or three ago.[02:33:49] <rennj> hmm ill have to try out new vm image, see if it works at all[02:36:14] <geek_> i'm thinking of trying haiku on a atom based box... i can't seem to find an installation guide tho[02:36:52] <mmadia> from what OS geek_ ?[02:37:01] <mmadia> from source, from a pre-built image?[02:37:26] <geek_> mmadia: there's no OS on the box right now[02:37:55] <geek_> to be honest, i'm waiting for windows 7, so i wanted to do a quick install, play with it till i get it, then make a acronis image for anyone else with the same hardware ;)[02:38:00] <mmadia> do you have a free USB stick that you temporarily dedicate for installing Haiku?[02:38:06] <geek_> fraid not[02:38:37] <geek_> i do have a USB hard drive, but i have no clue if it can be made bootable[02:39:28] <mmadia> http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/haiku/haiku/trunk/docs/userguide/en/installation.html[02:39:36] <mmadia> that's probably your best bet at this point.[02:39:47] <geek_> great ^^[02:39:49] <mmadia> you'll also need some 3rd party software to prepare your partitions.[02:40:19] <geek_> fat32?[02:41:20] <mmadia> technically you want 0xeb , but Haiku can initialize any partition as BFS... lemme pull up two pages i've been working on recently.[02:42:07] <mmadia> http://www.haiku-os.org/node/2509 , http://www.haiku-os.org/node/2510[02:42:10] <geek_> hmm[02:43:07] <geek_> thanks ^^[02:43:16] * geek_ will take a while to parse all this ;p[02:43:32] <mmadia> i'd love feedback on those last two pages as they were recently created.[02:43:59] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[02:44:09] <mmadia> as far as content... the prettiness still isn't a concern, yet.[02:44:18] <geek_> well, its more likely i'll be using the linux fdisk, or a livecd and dd, tbh[02:44:36] <geek_> its more accessable for me right now, and i have those on hand ;p[02:44:54] <mmadia> just a note, if you dd the image directly to your hard drive, you'll be limited to the size of the image file.[02:45:40] <geek_> i can resize after that right?[02:45:50] <mmadia> this isn't a problem, as long as you plan for it... eg, create a 410mb partition and then a second larger one 4~10gb for the actual installation.[02:45:52] <mmadia> nope.[02:46:18] <geek_> hmm, meaning i use one install of haiku to bootstrap another?[02:46:22] <mmadia> though, you dd to the 410mb partition, boot that and then use Haiku to install itself from the 410mb partition to the larger one.[02:46:28] <mmadia> exactly.[02:46:40] <mmadia> it's not pretty, but in your case, it's the easiest method.[02:47:05] <geek_> or i try to get a thumbdrive with my coconuts ;p[02:47:18] <mmadia> plus, that 410mb partition could be kept as a recovery OS partition or re-initialized to backup some documents or what-not.[02:47:33] <geek_> thanks for the help. I'll prolly come back when i get everything together and start on the install[02:58:13] *** Carbamide has joined #haiku[02:58:48] <Carbamide> I messed up earlier. NOW I'm installing haiku.[03:02:37] *** tehdwarf has joined #haiku[03:09:01] *** scanty has joined #haiku[03:11:35] *** mmu_laptop has quit IRC[03:11:54] <mmadia> hey scanty[03:12:10] <scanty> hello, mmadia[03:12:31] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[03:13:20] <mmadia> by any chance, have you built Haiku from within Solaris?[03:14:03] <scanty> nope, I haven't used Solaris in quite a long time, and only on SPARC[03:14:42] <mmadia> what do you run on your box?[03:14:57] <scanty> this one?[03:15:21] <mmadia> yeah the c2d, is it a sparc box or solaris box ?[03:15:35] <scanty> i run ubuntu 9.04[03:16:02] <tehdwarf> wait, how can a c2d be a sparc box?[03:16:21] <scanty> it's not.[03:17:35] <stpere> tehdwarf: you never saw the PPC c2d? :)[03:17:50] <tehdwarf> what?[03:17:56] <tehdwarf> I guess not[03:18:18] <stpere> I'm kidding[03:18:34] * mmadia 's brain is pudding tonight[03:20:07] <stpere> num num pudding[03:20:07] <hdanak> Hey, I'm a senior in high school (going to UC Berkeley EECS next year) and I'm interested in doing some kind of unpaid internship over the summer (or just helping out somehow).[03:20:39] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[03:20:41] <BePhantom> num, brain[03:20:44] <BePhantom> :D[03:21:28] <mmadia> hdanak : what type of work would you be interested in doing?[03:21:40] * JonathanThompson pinches BePhantom to verify numbness[03:22:20] * BePhantom poits JonathanThompson[03:22:34] * JonathanThompson narfs[03:22:35] <hdanak> well, i know some c++ and java, i would be interested in really anything programming related (and/or writing documentation)[03:23:40] <hdanak> i haven't worked on any serious projects before though (mostly stuff for learning to code, and also robotics programs)[03:24:57] <mmadia> once you get a better idea of what you'd like to work on, shoot an email out to the haiku ML.[03:25:30] <hdanak> ok thanks[03:25:46] <scanty> duff's device, in verilog.[03:26:20] <scanty> sorry that's the weirdest thing i could think of.[03:28:36] <CIA-15> bga * r30630 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/bemail_utils/spamdbm.cpp:[03:28:36] <CIA-15> expected now.[03:28:36] <CIA-15> this file. :)[03:32:49] *** skar1 has joined #haiku[03:35:47] <skar1> Hello, an ask, bluetechnoids should follow the distro guidelines? or what about it?[03:38:38] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[03:38:45] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[03:42:55] <Carbamide> Ok[03:43:37] <Carbamide> When trying install my build using jam, it says "Error: Failed to open "/dev/sdb": Permission denied[03:43:41] <Carbamide> What have I done wrong?[03:43:56] *** inermis has quit IRC[03:44:03] <mmadia> you need to explicitly set the permissions on the partition, iirc... no idea how though.[03:44:16] <Carbamide> What should they be set to?[03:44:34] <mmadia> +read +write, i guess? :)[03:44:37] <Carbamide> haha[03:44:40] <Carbamide> Ok. :-)[03:45:59] <tehdwarf> Is there going to be any kind of multiboot support for the Alpha release?[03:46:06] <tehdwarf> or should I just do what i do for reactos[03:46:15] <Carbamide> When I issue the jam command again, is it going to have to rebuild *everything* again?[03:46:41] <mmadia> tehdwarf : like a bootmanager?[03:46:53] <tehdwarf> yeah, either from haiku or something else[03:46:57] <mmadia> Carbamide : if you use jam -q ... then no.[03:47:04] <tehdwarf> i.e., will grub boot haiku[03:47:17] <Carbamide> Excellent![03:47:18] <mmadia> tehdwarf : `bootman` is mostly working, though it only supports a single drive.[03:47:28] *** rennj-haiku has joined #haiku[03:47:32] <stpere> huh[03:47:36] <tehdwarf> ah[03:47:38] <rennj-haiku> w00t[03:47:39] <mmadia> tehdwarf : i've seen people in here mention using grub, though i've never personally used it.[03:47:43] <tehdwarf> well, I'm certain I'll manage[03:47:44] <rennj-haiku> nfs working[03:47:47] <stpere> I forgot the case keyword in case kMsgScan :[03:47:51] <stpere> it compiled[03:47:53] <mmadia> i enjoy XOSL on it's own dedicated partition[03:47:57] <rennj-haiku> /boot bfs 399.7M 84.9M QAM-P-W /dev/disk/ata/0/master/raw[03:47:58] <stpere> but didn't work, obviously[03:47:58] <rennj-haiku> /boot/home/array[03:47:58] <rennj-haiku> nfs 218.7G 22.2G ---SP-W[03:48:15] <stpere> that was puzzling me[03:48:59] <rennj-haiku> Kernel name: kernel_x86 built on: May 5 2009 09:03:11 version 0x1[03:49:16] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[03:49:25] <Carbamide> Wish me luck![03:49:27] *** Carbamide has quit IRC[03:50:02] <rennj-haiku> ahhh well close to working anyway[03:50:11] <rennj-haiku> least it doesnt kdl[03:52:26] <hdanak> is there a list of ideas somewhere?[03:53:00] <rennj-haiku> ahh nice ssh is working to..[03:54:32] <rennj-haiku> hmm netstat doesnt show the nfs mount, and uid/gid issue[03:54:41] *** Carbamide has joined #haiku[03:54:46] <rennj-haiku> where is mmu_man when you need him[03:54:52] <Carbamide> No luck. I get this error on start up:[03:55:12] <Carbamide> PANIC: page fault, but interrupts were disabled Touching address 0xdeadbf47 from eip 0x8004020[03:55:17] <Carbamide> Welcome to kernel debugging Land...[03:55:24] <Carbamide> Thread 49 "sh" running on CPU1[03:56:00] <mmadia> Carbamide : does that happen on every reboot?[03:56:14] <Carbamide> Want me try a couple more times? I just tried once.[03:56:26] <Carbamide> (This is from a USB stick, by the way)[03:56:28] <Carbamide> if that matters[03:56:46] <mmadia> sure. it already seems like a nice bug. though i'm not sure if it's already in the bugtracker.[03:58:03] <stpere> hdanak: it might depend on your experience and time available[03:58:34] <stpere> hdanak: there were some GSoC project not chosen (but they are of college level..)[03:59:14] <stpere> hdanak: otherwise, you can learn quite a bit by doing easy tasks listed in dev.haiku-os.org[03:59:24] <stpere> search for the easy keyword[03:59:37] <mmadia> http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/EasyTasks[03:59:42] <stpere> ah yes[03:59:45] <stpere> there you go[03:59:50] * Carbamide tries again[03:59:53] *** Carbamide has quit IRC[04:00:38] <stpere> it's always a good idea to tackle a few easy tasks first[04:00:52] <Sikosis> Haiku Podcast #17 OUT NOW -> http://tinyurl.com/dycmvx[04:00:53] <stpere> it allows you to get confortable with the codebase[04:00:59] <stpere> Sikosis: :D[04:01:12] <stpere> I didn't know there was an haiku podcast :P[04:01:17] <stpere> :)*[04:01:40] <Sikosis> featuring a nice interview with Humdinger ... :)[04:01:49] *** thotypous has quit IRC[04:01:55] * tehdwarf predicts goatse, rickroll, or penis, due to the tinyurl[04:02:21] * tehdwarf clicks anyway[04:02:31] <Sikosis> yeh thats the only prob with those small urls ... u never know what u're going to get ... but this one is legit ... u can trust me[04:02:38] * mmadia pats tehdwarf on the shoulder for re-assurance[04:02:54] *** Carbamide has joined #haiku[04:03:09] <Carbamide> No luck. Same error message and numbers[04:03:10] <tehdwarf> nice intro music[04:03:21] <mmadia> that's good Carbamide.[04:03:26] <Carbamide> good?[04:03:35] <mmadia> yes, because it's reproducable.[04:03:39] <Carbamide> Ah[04:04:18] <mmadia> which means you can query http://dev.haiku-os.org for some of it's keywords. if you don't find anythnig, create a new ticket.[04:05:06] <mmadia> if you could, include the output of `bt` (which is standard for any bug report) and in your case `ints` might be good.[04:08:46] <Carbamide> I think ticket number 3847 is this bug[04:09:23] <Carbamide> Yeah, it is[04:09:29] <Carbamide> It's just been open for 4 days[04:11:12] <mmadia> since there's quite a few people reporting this issue, you could probably simply just CC your self.[04:11:27] <Carbamide> Ok[04:11:42] <Carbamide> Man what a bummer![04:11:51] *** Negr0 has quit IRC[04:11:55] <Carbamide> My sole purpose of installing linux was so that I could build haiku[04:12:09] <Carbamide> And I got linux installed and the build env setup and I run into this. lol[04:12:26] <mmadia> if you build revision 30514 you should be good.[04:12:46] <Carbamide> How would I go about checking out an old version from svn?[04:12:53] <Carbamide> or am I misunderstanding you?[04:13:07] <mmadia> `svn update -r 30514` from within the haiku source directory.[04:14:55] <mmadia> if that's the incorrect command, `svn help update` will mention it.[04:15:11] <Carbamide> Nope! That did it! I'm building again now.[04:15:18] <Carbamide> Thank you for being so helpful, I really appreciate it.[04:15:28] <mmadia> it's a commercial ;)[04:18:54] *** ismaell has quit IRC[04:19:08] *** ismaell has joined #haiku[04:31:35] *** nibble has quit IRC[04:31:59] *** nibble has joined #haiku[04:32:16] *** nibble has quit IRC[04:52:16] *** Carbamide has quit IRC[04:57:05] *** haikudwarf has joined #haiku[04:57:11] <haikudwarf> mmmm[04:57:11] <haikudwarf> :D[04:58:04] <mmadia> congrats :)[04:58:09] *** Carbamide has joined #haiku[04:58:15] <haikudwarf> not real hardware though[04:58:23] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[04:58:24] <haikudwarf> I'm gonna wait for the alpha release for that[04:58:28] <Carbamide> Ok, so now I'm booted in to Haiku, but Bezilla crashes on startup[04:58:32] <Carbamide> *sigh*![04:58:50] <MindChild> YOU BROKE IT[04:58:52] <mmadia> what's the crash?[04:59:24] <Carbamide> The backtrace said it started somewhere in libroot[04:59:33] <Carbamide> Let me look again[05:02:19] <Carbamide> Huh... now it won't even open a window[05:03:51] <Carbamide> Oh well for tonight. :-)[05:07:33] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[05:08:46] <Carbamide> At least audio doesn't skip for me anymore. :-)[05:17:28] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[05:24:00] *** Bumphead has joined #haiku[05:25:37] *** mmadia has quit IRC[05:27:10] *** Carbamide has quit IRC[05:32:04] *** bbjimmy has joined #haiku[05:36:01] *** pyCube_ has joined #haiku[05:46:00] *** pyCube__ has joined #haiku[05:54:17] *** pyCube_ has quit IRC[06:03:26] *** haikudwarf has quit IRC[06:12:48] *** hugen_ has joined #haiku[06:12:55] <hugen_> hey[06:13:00] *** Disreali has quit IRC[06:22:58] *** hugen_ has quit IRC[06:27:08] *** aljen has quit IRC[06:30:14] *** redblue has quit IRC[06:35:46] *** Rakhun has quit IRC[06:42:34] *** bbjimmy has quit IRC[06:42:42] *** megaf has quit IRC[06:46:36] *** fcr has joined #haiku[06:47:29] * fcr is still compiling haiku (it's taking more than 30 hours)[06:48:36][06:48:37] <BePhantom> :D[06:49:17] <fcr> :P[06:49:50] * Maya-sama is going to compile NetBSD 5 today ^^[06:49:55] <Maya-sama> shouldn't take more than a few minutes[06:49:56] <Maya-sama> :D[06:50:16] *** redblue has joined #haiku[06:50:37] <BePhantom> @#"!!!! my vbox wont work[06:50:42] <fcr> Maya-sama: not if your computer is a pentium 116 without mmx[06:51:00] <Maya-sama> ^-^;;[06:51:08] <Maya-sama> yeah, that could be slightly painful[06:52:52] <Maya-sama> any reason why you're not compiling it on a faster system? :)[06:54:58] * BePhantom pokes JonathanThompson[06:55:45] *** fran has joined #haiku[06:55:52] <ismaell> Maya-sama: he's masochist[06:55:57] *** fcr has quit IRC[06:55:58] <Maya-sama> figures[06:55:59] <Maya-sama> :P[06:56:17] <fran> ismaell, Maya-sama: exactly[06:56:22] <BePhantom> ismaell, who?[06:56:28] <ismaell> BePhantom: fran[06:56:32] *** fran is now known as fcr[06:56:49] <ismaell> well, i gotta sleep, c-ya geeks![06:57:04] <Maya-sama> sleep well :)[06:57:11] <BePhantom> sleep tight[06:57:20] * Maya-sama tucks ismaell in ^-^[06:57:28] <BePhantom> lol[06:57:41] <fcr> Maya-sama: it's not fun to do things in faster computers[06:57:54] <Maya-sama> <ismaell> Maya-sama: he's masochist[06:57:56] * Maya-sama nods[06:58:01] <Maya-sama> we understand ^-^[06:58:32] <BePhantom> fcr, is running a Pentium 166, he is hardcore :D[06:58:57] <fcr> 11616[06:58:58] <geek_> lol[06:59:39] *** fcr has quit IRC[06:59:40] * ismaell thinks someone is taking that as a clue for something...[07:01:01] <BePhantom> sometimes i wish i had my old k6-2 box up and running so that i could install BeOS again[07:01:24] *** fcr has joined #haiku[07:01:26] <BePhantom> or haiku ;)[07:01:32] * Maya-sama still has a K6-2 350 system :)[07:01:50] <fcr> I mean 116 MHz, not 166[07:02:00] <Maya-sama> yeah, we understand ^-^[07:02:22] <umccullough> hrmph[07:02:24] <BePhantom> mine was 400mhz[07:02:30] * umccullough goes to dig a p90 out of the box of shit[07:02:34] <fcr> in fact I'm connected via a plip connection[07:02:38] <skar1> hello[07:02:44] * Maya-sama used a P166 with 24 MB EDO RAM as her main system a while back after her regular system died >.>[07:02:48] <Maya-sama> wasn't too bad ^-^[07:02:59] <Maya-sama> just couldn't play videos :)[07:03:05] <umccullough> somewhere i have a pentium overdrive 84mhz[07:03:11] <skar1> haiku can beat BeOS on speed?[07:03:11] <umccullough> on a socket3 board :)[07:03:15] <Maya-sama> :D[07:03:26] <fcr> Maya-sama: my laptop has a z-video port[07:03:42] <umccullough> i have several lappies with zv[07:03:49] <umccullough> ;)[07:04:00] <fcr> umccullough: do you know if it's remotely supported in haiku?[07:04:02] <BePhantom> Maya-sama, you a "her"?[07:04:03] <BePhantom> :D[07:04:09] <umccullough> fcr, seriously?[07:04:11] <umccullough> :P[07:04:29] <umccullough> haiku doesn't even support the vesa version on some of my old laptop graphics chips[07:04:31] <fcr> that's what I thought...[07:04:32] * Maya-sama is supposedly rather feminine yes~[07:04:43] <umccullough> my p75 laptop boots to scrambled display in haiku[07:05:02] <aurynn> Laptops are ++. Why? Because O[07:05:06] <aurynn> I'm laying on my couch.[07:05:07] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[07:05:07] <aurynn> Right now.[07:05:08] <aurynn> :)[07:05:19] * Maya-sama has a 600 MHz Crusoe laptop :D[07:05:20] <BePhantom> Maya-sama, i thought you were a dude :D[07:05:23] <Maya-sama> :([07:05:26] <umccullough> lol[07:05:29] * Maya-sama no dude~ (o/[07:05:37] <umccullough> dudette[07:05:40] <Maya-sama> ^-^[07:05:43] <BePhantom> lol[07:05:53] * aurynn hugs her MBP[07:06:02] <umccullough> eh?[07:06:06] <umccullough> another female-type?[07:06:10] * Maya-sama hugs aurynn who is hugging a MBP[07:06:12] <Maya-sama> :P[07:06:19] <aurynn> yez[07:06:23] <Maya-sama> shocking~[07:06:27] <BePhantom> ubuntu makes my dual core laptop look like 486 DX4 :D[07:06:29] <umccullough> i must admit, probably the most women i've seen in this channel ever[07:06:29] * aurynn hugs back[07:06:33] <Maya-sama> there are girls on the internet @_@[07:06:37] * Maya-sama runs around in panic~ (o/[07:06:41] <Maya-sama> ^--^[07:06:51] * aurynn goes back to unwinding her scary metaprogramming[07:06:56] <fcr> BePhantom: one of my servers is a 486 DX4[07:07:06] <Maya-sama> metaprogramming? :)[07:07:34] <aurynn> Maya-sama, the DB adaptor/orm/thing I wrote does some evil-looking internal restructuring to create truly awesome effects.[07:07:41] <aurynn> Sadly, it's leaking DB connections[07:07:48] <Maya-sama> ah :)[07:07:59] <aurynn> so I have to *meticulously* plot object lifecycles[07:08:10] * Maya-sama wishes geek girls lived near her place @_@[07:08:15] <Maya-sama> fun :3[07:08:30] * Maya-sama isn't looking forward to debugging the hardware simulator she's writing either @_@[07:08:52] <Maya-sama> it has some evil multi-threaded variable sync code in it[07:09:54] <Maya-sama> if I make a mistake in implementing it, I'll probably spend hours finding it :3~[07:10:14] <aurynn> Test cases.[07:12:50] <umccullough> haiku hates the intel i810 video chip :/[07:13:08] *** hackkitten has joined #haiku[07:13:16] 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anymore after having called vfs_asynchronous_read_pages().[12:11:28] <CIA-15> * Now, Prepare() does all the preparation work, and ReadAsync() does the actual[12:11:28] <CIA-15> work - this must be called without having the cache locked. This also fixes[12:11:30] <CIA-15> another bug where the callback would be deleted twice in case the I/O request[12:11:32] <CIA-15> failed.[12:14:28] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[12:25:28] *** Bombe has joined #haiku[12:32:13] *** Svarthandske has quit IRC[12:37:23] *** MrSunshine__ has quit IRC[12:44:45] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[12:47:34] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[12:53:32] *** redblue has quit IRC[12:54:11] *** redblue has joined #haiku[12:55:15] <adamk> Any idea how I can debug why my boot stops here on one particular machine? http://pastebin.com/m50efadeb[13:00:51] *** miqlas_ has joined #haiku[13:05:38] *** nibble has quit IRC[13:07:20] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[13:08:39] *** procton has quit IRC[13:09:40] *** aldeck has joined #Haiku[13:19:17] *** miqlas has quit IRC[13:20:21] *** virtuoso015 has joined #haiku[13:20:41] *** virtuoso015 has left #haiku[13:21:36] *** HaiColon has joined #Haiku[13:22:01] <HaiColon> yay, Haiku boots again[13:24:18] *** iMax_pp has joined #haiku[13:35:53] <stpere> morning[13:37:08] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[13:39:06] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[13:43:35] *** iMax_pp has quit IRC[13:48:46] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[13:49:14] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[13:50:18] <sarmale> morning stpere[13:51:19] <CIA-15> axeld * r30633 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/fs/rootfs.cpp: (log message trimmed)[13:51:19] <CIA-15> * Fixed two bugs in rootfs_rename(): the check of the result of[13:51:19] <CIA-15> rootfs_find_in_dir() was wrong, leading to never be able to find the fromName[13:51:19] <CIA-15> in the directory. 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This fixes bug #3864.[13:51:24] <CIA-15> * Rearranged rootfs_rename() to be clearer.[13:51:28] *** Zenja has joined #haiku[13:54:53] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[13:59:27] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[14:15:25] *** Zenja has left #haiku[14:16:35] *** DBAlex has joined #haiku[14:19:24] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[14:24:44] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[14:25:11] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[14:25:54] *** aldeck has quit IRC[14:26:03] * ulterior_modem materialized coffee[14:32:48] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[14:37:19] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[14:37:41] *** NewHaikuFan has joined #haiku[14:39:57] <waveshaper> is there a way to disable a touchpad from haiku?[14:44:00] <mmadia> are you getting a KDL at startu?[14:44:39] <mmadia> nevermind on that.[14:46:33] *** NewHaikuFan is now known as HaikuFan[14:54:44] *** adamk has quit IRC[14:55:44] *** adamk has joined #haiku[14:57:28] *** knottnhupfer has quit IRC[14:59:09] <waveshaper> mmadia: no KDL if you asked no :) just hate the touchpad because I always switch focus by accedently touching it with my hands while typing[15:00:46] <mmadia> iirc, there's no way to do that.[15:03:44] <gordonjcp> I'm amazed how quickly Haiku boots ;-)[15:03:45] <waveshaper> hm[15:03:59] * waveshaper finds a screwdriver and a hammer[15:04:43] <gordonjcp> just for a laugh, I'm going to try it on a PII-366 with 128M of memory[15:04:51] <gordonjcp> I suspect it will still be fairly quick[15:04:54] <mmadia> it'll probably boot.[15:05:12] <mmadia> though, the video performance won't be as good.[15:05:27] <gordonjcp> does neomagic acceleration work?[15:06:15] <mmadia> a few weeks ago, we dropped driver acceleration in favor of some cpu-bound acceleration double buffering.[15:07:08] <mmadia> as the later was generally better performing[15:07:22] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[15:09:25] *** Fainto has joined #haiku[15:17:25] <MrSunshine> wtf?[15:21:10] *** Gaap has joined #haiku[15:26:26] *** Carbamide has joined #haiku[15:26:28] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[15:26:52] <Carbamide> Good day[15:27:49] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[15:32:55] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[15:33:44] <helf|laptop> morning[15:37:39] <gordonjcp> helf|laptop: afternoon ;-)[15:40:11] <helf|laptop> :)[15:43:49] <Disreali> morning[15:50:27] *** adamk has quit IRC[15:53:25] *** megaf has joined #Haiku[15:55:52] * Disreali 's brain questions the results of starting to celebrate Cinqo de Mayo early[16:03:58] *** adamk has joined #haiku[16:04:08] *** Disreali is now known as Disreali_away[16:07:02] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #haiku[16:09:23] *** mmu_laptop has joined #haiku[16:09:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_laptop[16:11:53] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[16:13:45] *** MrSunshine__ has joined #haiku[16:16:37] *** UiX has joined #haiku[16:23:00] *** MRSunshine___ has joined #haiku[16:27:12] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[16:27:25] *** aurynn has joined #haiku[16:28:44] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[16:29:14] *** MrSunshine_ has quit IRC[16:39:20] <mmu_laptop> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10232355-64.html thumbs up Andy![16:40:28] <sarmale> is there an fdisk-like utility on haiku via terminal ?[16:40:38] <mmadia> nope.[16:40:50] <mmadia> Haiku doesn't have partitioning support at this stage.[16:41:17] <sarmale> okay >.<[16:41:29] <sarmale> I will set a partition randomly then[16:41:31] <sarmale> my finger decides[16:41:52] <sarmale> the thing is that i don't remember what I have on those partitions[16:41:54] <mmadia> well, what are you trying to do with the fdisk-like util?[16:42:07] <sarmale> and.. I guess that if I don't remember I don't care that much :D[16:42:33] <sarmale> well, just trying to see what partition types are 3 partitions that I have on the primary slave disk[16:42:37] <mmadia> `df`[16:42:56] <mmadia> DriveSetup might expose some information too[16:43:03] <sarmale> yeah but first I have to mount them, right?[16:43:04] <sarmale> yup[16:43:14] <sarmale> the thing is that I'm on haiku via telnet[16:43:24] <sarmale> I'm at work, you know[16:43:58] <sarmale> hm, I will try the vncserver then[16:45:39] *** iaurynn has joined #haiku[16:45:55] <sarmale> k, I finally mounted the 3 partitions and looked what's inside them[16:46:10] <sarmale> so, the second one is the bfs one :P[16:46:13] <miqlas_> Oh! QT : http://dev.osdrawer.net/projects/activity/qt-beos some lib now compiled under Haiku.[16:48:23] <CIA-15> zooey * r30634 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/locale/LocaleWindow.cpp:[16:48:23] <CIA-15> * applied unchanged patch by PulkoMandy that converts the Locale prefs to[16:48:23] <CIA-15> use layout management[16:50:43] <mmu_laptop> miqlas_ ah good :)[16:55:28] <mmu_laptop> screenshots![16:57:11] *** iaurynn has quit IRC[16:57:47] *** HaiColon has quit IRC[16:58:52] *** aurynn has quit IRC[17:06:55] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[17:08:26] <MindChild> Well, getting something to compile and getting something to work are completely different matters[17:09:38] <mmu_laptop> eh[17:11:21] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[17:11:22] <MindChild> I once got a 2000 line cobol program to compile on the first attempt![17:11:27] <MindChild> Took 2 days to debug :([17:11:41] *** procton has joined #haiku[17:12:53] *** geek_ has quit IRC[17:15:40] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[17:22:43] *** mmu_laptop has quit IRC[17:27:08] <HeTo> sarmale: mountvolume also has a -scanvolumes flag or something like that that you can use to find out what you have on different partitions[17:29:17] *** nibble has joined #haiku[17:31:14] <sarmale> HeTo: whoa, thanks! :D[17:32:18] <sarmale> HeTo: k, just checked, is mountvolume -lh >.<[17:35:29] <sarmale> thanks again :D[17:35:30] *** numbah has joined #haiku[17:37:47] *** numbah has left #haiku[17:39:21] *** Disreali has quit IRC[17:39:45] *** mmadia42 has joined #haiku[17:40:32] *** mmadia has quit IRC[17:41:40] *** nibble_ has joined #haiku[17:42:03] *** nibble has quit IRC[17:42:03] *** NeonLicht has quit IRC[17:42:04] *** geist has quit IRC[17:42:04] *** HeTo has quit IRC[17:42:51] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[17:43:32] *** NeonLicht has joined #haiku[17:43:48] *** geist has joined #haiku[17:43:49] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o geist[17:44:35] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[17:47:06] <mmadia42> what are some "disk existing devices" that mountvolume -dd is supposed to list?[17:48:27] <sarmale> dunno, but -dd doesn't show anything in my case[17:48:34] <sarmale> brb, smoking time[17:56:06] *** fanskap has joined #haiku[17:56:09] *** Carbamide has quit IRC[17:59:28] *** VinDuv has joined #haiku[18:02:15] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:03:29] *** sugar3 has joined #haiku[18:04:22] *** aurynn has joined #haiku[18:04:47] *** adamk has quit IRC[18:05:00] *** adamk has joined #haiku[18:07:58] *** nibble_ has quit IRC[18:11:26] *** Styrbjorn has quit IRC[18:19:50] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[18:21:01] *** iMax_pp has joined #haiku[18:23:20] *** Disreali has quit IRC[18:26:56] *** Carbamide has joined #haiku[18:27:56] *** mmadia1 has joined #haiku[18:29:17] *** mmadia1 is now known as mmadia[18:29:23] *** mmadia42 has quit IRC[18:29:33] *** mmadia2 has joined #haiku[18:29:35] *** mmadia is now known as mmadia42[18:30:23] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[18:30:23] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[18:32:08] *** mmadia42 has quit IRC[18:32:18] *** mmadia42 has joined #haiku[18:34:08] *** mmadia2 has quit IRC[18:34:08] *** mmadia has quit IRC[18:34:08] *** mmadia42 has quit IRC[18:35:43] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[18:37:40] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[18:42:13] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[18:43:10] *** fcr has joined #haiku[18:45:06] *** sugar3 has quit IRC[18:46:04] *** VinDuv_ has joined #haiku[18:46:55] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[18:50:53] *** redblue has quit IRC[18:52:02] *** ismaell has quit IRC[18:54:10] *** Carbamide has quit IRC[18:56:17] <helf|laptop> yeah, thats awesome[18:56:25] * JonathanThompson poits helf|laptop[18:56:34] <helf|laptop> my update-rc.d file was corrupted[18:56:43] <helf|laptop> that breaks quite a lot :P[18:57:22] <Teknomancer> jalapula jinx[18:59:12] *** megaf has quit IRC[18:59:37] *** VinDuv_ is now known as VinDuv[19:00:09] <Teknomancer> JonathanThompson always lets us know what he/she's doing: 10069 actions![19:00:17] <Teknomancer> For example, like this:[19:00:17] <Teknomancer> * JonathanThompson sighs[19:00:20] <Teknomancer> lol[19:00:34] <helf|laptop> heh[19:00:38] * JonathanThompson looks at Teknomancer[19:00:41] <JonathanThompson> :D[19:00:47] <Teknomancer> :P[19:00:51] <helf|laptop> what about me? :)[19:01:01] * JonathanThompson asks "What About Bob?"[19:01:08] <Teknomancer> "every few weeks i try connecting to my old mud" :P[19:01:57] <helf|laptop> how depressing[19:02:13] <helf|laptop> i really do, then when it doenst connect. i cry myself to sleep[19:02:21] <Teknomancer> i see a new function been added... ddi_strdup... we can finally copy strings in kernel space :P[19:02:35] <HeTo> heh, nice finding old news[19:02:38] <helf|laptop> that might be useful :P[19:02:53] <HeTo> guess when Thom Holwerda wrote "This news is a sign that Haiku is near alpha release.[19:03:00] <helf|laptop> ubuntu isnt working with my onboard sound[19:03:01] <andguent> oh boy windows sucks[19:03:02] <HeTo> on OSnews[19:03:08] <helf|laptop> even tho its an SB16 chip[19:03:09] <Teknomancer> it is?[19:03:11] <Teknomancer> hmm[19:03:17] <stpere> HeTo: 2 years ago?[19:03:21] <Teknomancer> lol[19:03:26] <Teknomancer> who'll be doing the official distro?[19:03:30] <HeTo> stpere: 6th of July 2005 :-P[19:03:30] <helf|laptop> thom[19:03:37] <stpere> ouch[19:03:38] <JonathanThompson> OSAggregatorsAndCommentary would be a more accurate name :P[19:03:41] <HeTo> http://www.osnews.com/story/11118/Haiku_s_App_Server_Can_Run_Tracker[19:03:51] <Teknomancer> i think he'll want the Aero GUI for a release[19:03:54] <helf|laptop> heh[19:03:58] <helf|laptop> lol[19:04:09] <helf|laptop> and full vista binary compatibility[19:04:26] <JonathanThompson> Hey, that was only near 4 years ago :P[19:04:52] <DeadYak> helf|laptop: that sounds like the expectation for a ReactOS release[19:05:11] * Teknomancer can't wait for final Win7 and OSNews to meet each other :P[19:05:12] <helf|laptop> no, thats full windows 7 binary compatibility.. he will give haiku some slack ;)[19:05:21] <Teknomancer> yeah![19:05:36] <JonathanThompson> Which means that once ReactOS gets to that point, Microsoft will have completely moved away from Windows as we know it ;)[19:05:56] <helf|laptop> then its on to midori (or whatever its called) compatibility[19:05:57] <Teknomancer> anything that crashes is Windows[19:06:06] <helf|laptop> ubuntu is puking on my gx1. heh[19:06:11] <Teknomancer> anything that is not linux that we don't like is Windows[19:06:37] <JonathanThompson> The anti-MS ranters :)[19:06:58] <Teknomancer> "hey the next version of Windows 7 is out" "what's it called?" "Windows 8"[19:07:10] <JonathanThompson> No: 7.1111[19:07:17] *** markos_ has quit IRC[19:07:37] *** Hugen_ has joined #haiku[19:07:41] <Hugen_> hey[19:07:54] * Teknomancer wants Win7Sp3 now[19:08:04] <Teknomancer> hi Hugen_[19:08:32] <Hugen_> hi Teknomancer[19:09:14] *** Disreali_away has quit IRC[19:09:24] *** Geoz|wrk is now known as Geoz[19:09:33] <helf|laptop> hi hugen[19:10:30] <Hugen_> hey helf[19:13:01] <pyCube> so i had to put down one of my cats yesterday...pretty crappy[19:13:08] <helf|laptop> :([19:13:13] <helf|laptop> what was wrong with it?[19:13:30] <pyCube> he got hit by a car[19:13:37] <helf|laptop> aw :([19:14:05] <helf|laptop> oh lovely, rebooted my ubuntu install on the gx1 and it fails[19:14:23] <pyCube> what did you do to it?[19:14:49] <iMax_pp> He just tried to install Ubuntu... :)[19:15:03] <stpere> you don't try.. you do it or not! :)[19:15:39] <iMax_pp> Oh, so he just did it, that's enough to crash. :p[19:16:53] <helf|laptop> pyCube, nothing! :P[19:17:00] <helf|laptop> might be flaky hardware[19:17:05] <helf|laptop> i just installed it a few hours ago[19:18:13] *** mmu_laptop has joined #haiku[19:18:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_laptop[19:23:29] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[19:26:34] *** tqh has quit IRC[19:27:03] *** Rakhun has joined #haiku[19:34:29] <CIA-15> axeld * r30635 /haiku/trunk/src/tools/ (Jamfile copy_to_bfs_image/): * copy_to_bfs_image is no longer needed (and doesn't compile anymore, either).[19:34:41] *** glootech has quit IRC[19:40:32] *** aguent has joined #haiku[19:40:41] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[19:46:55] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[19:47:25] *** essiene has joined #haiku[19:51:19] *** mmu_laptop has quit IRC[19:55:01] *** sprma_ has quit IRC[19:57:01] *** Hugen_ has quit IRC[19:57:24] *** andguent has quit IRC[19:59:03] *** glootech has joined #haiku[20:00:47] *** Hugen_ has joined #haiku[20:03:57] *** Bumphead has joined #haiku[20:06:20] *** adamk has quit IRC[20:10:52] *** procton has quit IRC[20:11:58] *** Malmis has quit IRC[20:13:55] <Hugen_> re[20:14:00] *** megaf has joined #Haiku[20:14:56] *** redblue has joined #haiku[20:14:59] <CIA-15> zooey * r30636 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/locale/LocaleWindow.cpp:[20:14:59] <CIA-15> * applying patch by PulkoMandy that fix a couple of styleguide issues[20:14:59] <CIA-15> (missing spaces after commas) that were pointed out by Stephan[20:15:40] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[20:18:39] *** skar1 has joined #haiku[20:25:02] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[20:26:38] *** markos_ has joined #haiku[20:27:49] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[20:28:22] <CIA-15> czeidler * r30637 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/mail/Prefs.cpp: Fix some spelling mistakes. Thanks to Jonas.[20:30:51] *** hisoka999 has joined #haiku[20:34:13] *** srbaker has joined #haiku[20:34:14] <srbaker> folks[20:34:24] <srbaker> anyone have a gui emacs running on haiku?[20:35:38] <gordonjcp> haha, I spotted that typo last night ;-)[20:36:01] <gordonjcp> I was going to do a patch for it, but I guess you need to be quick...[20:36:04] <DeadYak> srbaker: mmu_man does[20:38:02] *** sprma has joined #haiku[20:38:34] <srbaker> awesome[20:38:55] <srbaker> oh, i don't suippose there's a unichrome driver for haiku[20:38:55] <srbaker> shit[20:39:02] <srbaker> i wanted to run it as the only OS on my HP Mini-Note[20:41:05] *** oco has joined #haiku[20:41:38] *** expensivelesbian has quit IRC[20:41:52] <DeadYak> srbaker: we have a Unichrome driver[20:41:57] <srbaker> oh?[20:41:59] <srbaker> oooh[20:42:02] <srbaker> okay. next question[20:42:11] <DeadYak> doesn't seem to be included in the build right now though[20:42:11] <srbaker> what's the easiest way to get haiku on my mini-note as the only OS?[20:42:15] *** expensivelesbian has joined #haiku[20:42:18] <DeadYak> boot from a USB stick[20:42:22] <srbaker> there's no installer program, right?[20:42:22] <srbaker> ahh[20:42:28] <DeadYak> there is[20:42:28] <srbaker> is there a doc on how to get it on a usb stick reliably?[20:42:34] <DeadYak> it just can't handle repartitioning right now[20:42:44] <PulkoMandy> under linux, dd if=haiku.image of=/dev/sdx[20:42:48] <PulkoMandy> and that's all[20:42:50] <DeadYak> simple: grab one of the build factory raw images and dd it to the stick[20:42:53] <gordonjcp> srbaker: "dd if=haiku.image of=/dev/<wherever> bs=512"[20:43:01] <srbaker> thx[20:43:09] <srbaker> ah, bs= that's what i was looking for[20:43:10] <gordonjcp> assuming you're on Linux[20:43:23] <gordonjcp> Block Size, otherwise it may try to copy a byte at a time[20:43:29] <DeadYak> I use bs=1024k myself usually[20:43:30] <gordonjcp> and make your disc controller cry[20:43:31] <DeadYak> much faster[20:43:32] <srbaker> yeah, i'm on ubunut[20:43:47] <srbaker> do i need to build my own image for unichrome support?[20:43:47] <gordonjcp> DeadYak: would be, for flash[20:43:52] <srbaker> will it at least use vesa by default/[20:43:53] <srbaker> ?[20:43:56] <DeadYak> srbaker: it will use vesa[20:44:00] <srbaker> ok[20:44:01] <srbaker> that'll do then[20:44:09] <fcr> gordonjcp: the default bs is 512[20:44:10] <DeadYak> srbaker: I'm not sure unichrome compiles right now, it's commented out of the image for a reason but I don't know why[20:44:24] <srbaker> so i'm assuming i can boot haiku off of the USB stick and then copy it over toi the harddrive after?[20:44:26] <srbaker> is that the idea?[20:44:40] <gordonjcp> fcr: oh, is it?[20:44:45] <DeadYak> assuming you have the disk partitioned appropriately beforehand, you can just use Installer to copy it[20:44:50] <srbaker> oh[20:44:51] <srbaker> handy[20:44:55] <srbaker> there is an installer[20:44:57] <DeadYak> it can initialize partitions, it just can't alter the table[20:44:57] <srbaker> i didn't knowthat[20:45:04] <PulkoMandy> yes, then you need to install the bootloader on the hard disk[20:45:14] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[20:45:14] <DeadYak> PulkoMandy: Installer can do that[20:45:16] <DeadYak> as of a few days ago[20:45:20] <srbaker> okay[20:46:12] <PulkoMandy> but i think there is an installer to take care of all that, actually[20:46:12] <PulkoMandy> the thing we miss is a tool to create the partition before installing[20:46:28] *** prOSy has joined #haiku[20:46:30] <srbaker> that shouldn't be difficult to put an interface on parted[20:46:32] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[20:46:49] <prOSy> hi[20:48:53] <DeadYak> srbaker: we're not using parted[20:49:03] <DeadYak> srbaker: one of the gsoc projects involves finishing our back end for doing that kind of thing[20:49:15] <srbaker> awesome[20:51:42] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[20:52:54] <srbaker> suck[20:52:55] <srbaker> wrote the image[20:52:59] <srbaker> machine won't boot from it :/[20:53:34] <gordonjcp> did you write it to the whole disk, or to a partition?[20:53:44] <srbaker> whole disk[20:53:49] <gordonjcp> hmm[20:53:52] <srbaker> of=/dev/sdc[20:54:03] <gordonjcp> can qemu boot it?[20:54:20] <srbaker> dunno yet[20:54:20] <srbaker> sec[20:54:47] <gordonjcp> incidentally firing off "qemu -hda /dev/sda" and allowing Grub to boot the linux partition that's hosting the qemu that you're running[20:54:54] <gordonjcp> that causes some pretty interesting problems[20:55:38] <gordonjcp> a) see if you can guess what happens to /var/run, and b) see if you can guess how I found this out[20:56:03] <srbaker> sigh[20:56:10] <srbaker> how do i tell qemu to bood /dev/sdc?[20:56:16] <srbaker> it's complaining that it's not an image[20:56:24] *** essiene has quit IRC[20:56:35] <gordonjcp> should be just "qemu -hda /dev/sdc", possibly as root if you don't have perms for /dev/hdc[20:56:47] <srbaker> ah[20:56:52] <srbaker> yes, qemu boots it[20:56:52] *** nibble has joined 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:)[21:35:26] <helf|laptop> :P[21:35:45] <stpere> that's not His department one would say ;-)[21:35:50] *** essiene has quit IRC[21:35:54] <stpere> after all, he can't be everywhere..[21:36:01] * stpere 's zapped[21:36:03] <helf|laptop> says you[21:36:26] <helf|laptop> the bibble declares otherwise :P[21:36:52] <pyCube> as tina turner might say, "whats god got ta do..got ta do with it"[21:37:20] <stpere> that's what she said! finally.. after all those years[21:39:26] *** adamk has quit IRC[21:40:11] *** adamk has joined #haiku[21:40:38] *** OscarL has joined #haiku[21:41:34] *** korli has quit IRC[21:42:26] <AlienSoldier> helf|laptop the bible don't say he can travel in time, was time travel invented in those time? I wonder who wrote anout it first. HD wells?[21:42:38] <AlienSoldier> *about[21:42:43] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[21:43:16] *** expensivelesbian has quit IRC[21:44:08] *** Hugen_ has joined #haiku[21:44:09] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[21:44:12] <Hugen_> re[21:44:35] <helf|laptop> it kinda does :P[21:45:25] <helf|laptop> http://www.echoesofenoch.com/sideroom_time_travel_in_the_bible.htm[21:45:26] <helf|laptop> lol[21:45:29] *** expensivelesbian has joined #haiku[21:45:59] <stpere> I know a way to exceed speed of light :)[21:46:46] <stpere> hmm[21:46:54] <stpere> I'm trying to phrase it correctly :)[21:47:14] <Rakhun> declare speed as unsigned and go reverse :)[21:47:20] <stpere> lol[21:47:48] <helf|laptop> heh[21:47:56] <stpere> ok, imagine you have a light bulb in the middle of a very large circular room[21:48:04] *** MrSunshine_ has joined #haiku[21:48:12] <stpere> you place a metal can on top of the light bulb[21:48:23] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[21:48:33] <stpere> and you cut a slice of the can, to only let a beam of light out[21:48:39] *** ZeroXp has joined #haiku[21:48:42] <stpere> now you make the can spin real fast[21:48:52] <ZeroXp> hello[21:49:11] <stpere> the beam of light will appear at some point to exceed the speed of light[21:49:37] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[21:49:41] <stpere> if you look on the wall[21:49:55] <fcr> mmm, no, what you will have in that situation will be a spiral of light[21:50:06] <Hodapp> stpere: That's nothing new. Something can appear to move faster than the speed of light, but no information is being transferred at the speed of light.[21:50:18] <stpere> yes[21:50:32] <Hodapp> Yes what?[21:50:38] <stpere> yes, I see[21:50:43] <pyCube> ougadougou[21:50:48] <stpere> sir[21:50:50] <stpere> :P[21:51:08] * pyCube prefered Upper Volta[21:51:51] * pyCube gets all nostalgic for 70's era world maps[21:51:53] <ZeroXp> users[21:51:56] <ZeroXp> s[21:52:13] *** pgr has joined #haiku[21:52:41] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[21:52:53] <ZeroXp> ping[21:53:27] <helf|laptop> pong[21:53:40] <ZeroXp> whois[21:53:50] <helf|laptop> what are you doing?[21:54:06] *** luroh has joined #haiku[21:54:13] <DeadYak> probably trying to see if there's any bots in here[21:54:19] <ZeroXp> nop[21:54:33] <helf|laptop> which there arent.[21:54:48] <DeadYak> well, technically there's echelog but that doesn't respond to commands that I know of[21:54:56] <helf|laptop> oh yeah[21:55:02] <helf|laptop> and CIA-15, right?[21:55:07] <ZeroXp> w.?[21:55:07] <DeadYak> true[21:55:22] * pyCube hasn't seen true[21:55:26] <stpere> ZeroXp: hi?[21:55:27] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[21:55:28] <ZeroXp> i no bot[21:55:36] <ZeroXp> hi[21:55:40] <ZeroXp> stpere[21:55:51] <ZeroXp> from.?[21:55:52] <helf|laptop> new to IRC?[21:56:02] <pyCube> i remember i once made an "attempt to annoy MYOB bot" for beshare[21:56:09] <helf|laptop> lol[21:56:11] <ZeroXp> nop,, my problem[21:56:22] <DeadYak> pyCube: hahaha[21:56:22] * helf|laptop misses atrus[21:56:38] <ZeroXp> usin ircII shell[21:56:39] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[21:56:41] <stpere> yes, I love fromage[21:56:56] <ZeroXp> no, have command[21:57:00] <pyCube> it looked for certain words/topics and made pointed comments ireland and random praises of python[21:57:15] <helf|laptop> lol[21:57:19] <helf|laptop> awesome[21:57:33] <stpere> no, have command??[21:57:46] <pyCube> yeah.. those were the days.. back when i had time and desire to code for fun[21:57:49] <stpere> this ain't a bot, I tell you son[21:58:19] <ZeroXp> i do not have the commands shell[21:58:51] <helf|laptop> pyCube, before you got sardonic and crotchety? :D[21:58:56] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[21:59:12] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[22:00:00] <ZeroXp> see later[22:00:09] <stpere> sure[22:00:10] *** ZeroXp has quit IRC[22:00:11] <iMax_pp> o_O[22:00:12] <HeTo> CIA does answer to commands :-P[22:00:15] <helf|laptop> that was bizarre[22:00:15] * HeTo eats CIA-15[22:00:15] * CIA-15 tastes crunchy[22:00:20] <helf|laptop> heh[22:00:22] <DeadYak> HeTo: those don't count[22:00:31] * helf|laptop smacks CIA-15[22:00:35] <stpere> oh, but he do not command shells[22:00:40] <stpere> that explains :)[22:01:06] <stpere> I'm a bit strained out sorry guy[22:01:08] <stpere> +s[22:01:36] *** essiene has joined #haiku[22:01:45] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[22:02:24] *** OscarL has quit IRC[22:03:01] *** MrSunshine__ has quit IRC[22:03:02] *** essiene_ has quit IRC[22:03:15] * hackkitten hugs CIA-15[22:03:15] * CIA-15 hugs hackkitten[22:03:17] <hackkitten> :)[22:03:19] *** MRSunshine___ has quit IRC[22:03:39] <helf|laptop> heh[22:04:21] <CIA-15> axeld * r30638 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/iso9660/r5/: * Removed old BeOS ISO9660 file system.[22:04:41] <pyCube> helf|laptop, before i stumbled into a career[22:04:55] <CIA-15> axeld * r30639 /haiku/trunk/src/ (11 files in 4 dirs): * Made the iso9660 file system buildable within the fs_shell (iso9660_shell).[22:04:59] <helf|laptop> pyCube, ah :)[22:05:14] <gordonjcp> any more updates coming...?[22:05:24] <luroh> are we playing Spot the Bot?[22:05:30] <luroh> poor guy[22:05:38] <luroh> (or bot.. ;)[22:05:40] <gordonjcp> I don't think I've run my last image since I built from r30636[22:06:15] <Hugen_> sic, Haiku LiveCD for a long time booting Desktop[22:07:26] <Hugen_> 2x longer than Ubuntu livecd 8.04.1[22:09:10] <DeadYak> not really surprising, it's not exactly optimized right now[22:10:18] <Hugen_> yes, yes, I understand that[22:11:16] <helf|laptop> this is so sad, my best running computer is this beatup laptop i resurrected[22:11:31] <gordonjcp> heh[22:11:32] <Hugen_> but I'm satisfied so[22:11:33] *** aljen has joined #haiku[22:11:50] <aljen> hey[22:11:56] <helf|laptop> hi[22:12:00] <Hugen_> hi aljen[22:12:03] *** nibble has quit IRC[22:12:05] <HeTo> helf|laptop: heh, my laptop has a bigger screen resolution than I can achieve on my desktop screen :-P[22:12:13] <aljen> Hugen_, :)[22:13:10] <helf|laptop> lol, same here[22:13:16] <helf|laptop> 1280x800[22:13:22] *** iMax_pp has quit IRC[22:13:28] <HeTo> 1400×1050 :-P[22:14:01] *** Karurosu has quit IRC[22:14:09] <helf|laptop> oh nice[22:14:11] *** expensivelesbian has quit IRC[22:14:16] <HeTo> what desktop screen can't achieve 1280×1024, at least theoretically?[22:14:19] <helf|laptop> this is my dads old truck laptop[22:14:22] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[22:14:32] <helf|laptop> been sitting in his truck nonfunctional and then in my van for like 8 months[22:14:34] *** VinDuv has quit IRC[22:14:34] <helf|laptop> :P[22:14:39] <helf|laptop> i wish i had tried getting it running sooner[22:14:49] *** expensivelesbian has joined #haiku[22:14:53] <helf|laptop> he couldnt remember the specs and i never bothered to check - core duo 1.6, 2gb ram, 120gb hdd, dvd burner[22:15:01] <CIA-15> siarzhuk * r293 /haikuports/trunk/app-editors/ (vim/patches/vim-7.2.patch vim/vim-7.2.bep vim/patches vim): Haiku support for VIm 7.2 editor.[22:15:43] *** ulterior_modem has quit IRC[22:16:15] <pyCube> i think when food products stick "made with real cheese" on the packaging, they mena real in teh sense of "not a figment of your imagination"...'cause shit certainly isnt cheese[22:16:27] <helf|laptop> heh[22:16:39] <helf|laptop> its chemical makeup is the same :P[22:16:58] <pyCube> cheese has atoms.. this stuff has atoms.. therefor they are the same[22:17:11] * PulkoMandy never saw "fake cheese" :)[22:17:31] <HeTo> I think some cheap soda here advertised being made of authentic lemon taste on the bottle[22:17:49] <helf|laptop> "authentic lemon "taste"" ? :P[22:18:35] <HeTo> helf|laptop: yes :-P I guess they wanted to put authentic in it[22:19:16] <PulkoMandy> we got a "new traditional recipe" yogurt once[22:19:27] <PulkoMandy> I still wonder how a new recipe can be traditional :)[22:20:02] <helf|laptop> :P[22:20:07] *** Edgecrusher has joined #haiku[22:20:29] <gordonjcp> mmm, yoghurt[22:20:40] <stpere> PulkoMandy: we have "Kraft Dinner original : now with more cheese" here[22:20:43] <gordonjcp> I should get some, see if it calms my insides down a bit[22:21:13] <gordonjcp> I have been winning the war on swine flu, one sausage at a time[22:21:56] <gordonjcp> I should probably have conceded some outlying regions in the Frikadellen area earlier[22:24:01] *** essiene_ has joined #haiku[22:24:11] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[22:24:53] *** ulterior_modem has joined #Haiku[22:25:38] *** Edgecrusher has left #haiku[22:27:16] <helf|laptop> i cant believe they'd block pork imports[22:27:22] <helf|laptop> they've[22:27:36] <stpere> they banned seal importation in europe[22:27:48] *** sugar3 has quit IRC[22:27:50] <stpere> so.. we will stop importing foie gras :)[22:28:07] <stpere> as they used the excuse that seals were suffering[22:30:39] *** markos_ has quit IRC[22:31:18] <AlienSoldier> i would be glad they stop the seal hunt[22:31:22] <pyCube> swine flu was just a way to keep people from looking at all the torture memos.. duh[22:31:57] <helf|laptop> pyCube, yeah, notice how whenever shit hits the ceiling some horrible disaster starts? :P[22:32:09] <Hodapp> pyCube: The damn liberals lied. They didn't torture that guy 183 times! It was significantly less![22:32:27] <helf|laptop> lol[22:32:34] <pyCube> heh[22:33:02] *** wtracy has joined #haiku[22:35:01] *** skar1 has left #haiku[22:35:11] *** essiene__ has joined #haiku[22:35:23] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[22:38:03] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[22:43:00] *** pgr has quit IRC[22:43:34] *** essiene has quit IRC[22:46:58] *** ziomatto has quit IRC[22:47:43] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[22:48:00] *** essiene_ has quit IRC[22:48:35] *** essiene has joined #haiku[22:49:58] <gordonjcp> I want to install python from haiku-ports, and ideally I'd like to do it from the Linux machine I build my image on. I can't see much in the docs about doing this, though.[22:50:08] <gordonjcp> can anyone sling me a pointer to where to start?[22:50:31] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[22:50:37] *** MrSunshine__ has joined #haiku[22:50:51] <mmadia> open up haiku/build/jam[22:51:17] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[22:51:17] <gordonjcp> yup[22:51:57] <mmadia> do you have a UserBuildConfig yet?[22:52:01] <gordonjcp> I do[22:52:02] *** korli has joined #haiku[22:52:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[22:52:19] <mmadia> you need to create an UnzipArchiveToHaikuImage rule[22:52:23] <mmadia> here's a sample[22:52:24] <mmadia> UnzipArchiveToHaikuImage home config settings system app_server[22:52:25] <mmadia> : /home/stippi/Downloads/mouse.zip ;[22:52:43] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[22:52:58] <mmadia> "home config settigs system app_server" is the path.[22:53:21] <CIA-15> axeld * r30640 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/iso9660/ (iso9660.cpp kernel_interface.cpp): (log message trimmed)[22:53:21] <CIA-15> Fixed two crashing bugs, one of them mentioned in ticket #3861:[22:53:21] <CIA-15> * ISOReadDirEnt() did happily read after the 2048 byte block. Now we check after[22:53:21] <CIA-15> having processed an entry if the position is on the 2048 block boundary, and[22:53:21] <CIA-15> skip to the next block directly.[22:53:22] <CIA-15> * fs_walk() assumed a 2 block set (and accessed memory therein), but only has[22:53:24] <CIA-15> access to a single block. I haven't looked at the specs, so I'm not really[22:53:51] <pyCube> looks like a space separated string to me.. :-p[22:53:55] *** MindChild has quit IRC[22:54:06] *** MainRo has quit IRC[22:54:45] <mmadia> http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/8/23/2062382/packages/python-2.5.4-gcc2-2009-01-02.zip[22:55:41] *** kirilla has joined #haiku[22:56:03] <helf> bbl[22:56:46] *** hisoka999 has quit IRC[22:57:06] * kirilla falls in through the skylight[22:58:01] <gordonjcp> mmadia: okay, so then presumably for anything else I create a zip file and add it in much the same way?[22:58:08] <mmadia> aye.[22:58:32] <mmadia> another useful rule is :[22:58:32] <gordonjcp> docs on creating the zip file with the appropriate layout?[22:58:34] <mmadia> # overwrite default timezone and keymap[22:58:34] <mmadia> AddSymlinkToHaikuImage home config settings[22:58:35] <mmadia> : /boot/beos/etc/timezones/Europe/Berlin : timezone ;[22:58:44] <gordonjcp> yeah, I'm just about to change that[22:58:48] <gordonjcp> and my keymap[22:59:15] <mmadia> AddFilesToHaikuImage home config settings : <keymap>German : Key_map ;[22:59:27] * mmadia not sure if those are mentioned in the readme or sample[23:01:54] *** MindChild has joined #haiku[23:04:01] *** essiene__ has quit IRC[23:05:09] *** pgr has joined #haiku[23:06:00] *** HaikuFan has quit IRC[23:07:18] *** MrSunshine_ has quit IRC[23:08:05] <gordonjcp> mmadia: so is /home/config/settings/system/app_server the correct path for the python package?[23:08:14] *** MrSunshine_ has joined #haiku[23:08:16] <gordonjcp> presumably not[23:08:28] <mmadia> nope.[23:08:48] <mmadia> iirc, the python package is extrcated to /boot[23:09:13] <gordonjcp> so my first line is UnzipArchiveToHaikuImage boot[23:09:18] *** kirilla has quit IRC[23:09:31] *** HeTo_ has joined #haiku[23:09:45] <mmadia> uuhh... possibly without "boot"[23:10:06] <gordonjcp> oops, I've started it building[23:10:07] <gordonjcp> oh well[23:12:03] *** HeTo has quit IRC[23:12:12] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[23:12:35] *** Hugen_ has quit IRC[23:14:12] *** glootech has quit IRC[23:21:17] *** expensivelesbian has left #haiku[23:21:55] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[23:21:58] <gordonjcp> mmadia: you're right, no "boot"[23:22:07] <gordonjcp> mmadia: is there a list of these prebuilt files anywhere?[23:22:17] <mmadia> http://ports.haiku-files.org/wiki/Downloads[23:22:31] <gordonjcp> obvious really[23:23:04] <gordonjcp> hmm, no sqlite[23:23:12] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[23:23:52] <DeadYak> sqlite should be trivial to build[23:24:01] <gordonjcp> yeah, giving that a go just now[23:24:16] *** HeTo_ has quit IRC[23:29:16] *** MindChild has quit IRC[23:29:49] *** MindChild has joined #haiku[23:35:58] *** essiene_ has joined #haiku[23:37:46] *** Disreali has quit IRC[23:44:43] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[23:45:40] *** wtracy has quit IRC[23:46:24] *** wackymacs has quit IRC[23:49:59] *** essiene has quit IRC[23:55:47] *** korli has quit IRC[23:56:04] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[23:56:26] <gordonjcp> okay, I probably need to figure out how to build with the gcc2[23:58:09] <mmadia> 64bit linux?