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[00:02:35] <geist> did the parallel builds ever get fixed properly?
[00:02:44] <geist> got 4 cpus here waiting for stuff to do
[00:02:56] <umccullough> mm... not sure on first jam still
[00:03:23] <umccullough> worst case, it dies early and you restart it
[00:03:29] <dr_evil> jam -j6 works for me on quadcore
[00:03:42] <umccullough> even on the first build?
[00:03:43] <dr_evil> except on the first compile, then it needs a restart
[00:03:50] <skar> i wanna know if gnash port work on BeOS?
[00:03:57] <umccullough> skar, no
[00:03:58] <AnEvilYak> skar: no.
[00:04:27] <skar> :( then can not be compiled on beos ?
[00:04:32] <umccullough> nope
[00:04:39] <skar> sad
[00:04:48] <umccullough> well...
[00:04:53] <AnEvilYak> BeOS is missing far too much POSIX to be able to compile that
[00:04:58] <umccullough> yes, beos is in a sad state these days
[00:05:02] <umccullough> plus no gcc4
[00:05:30] <BePhantom> beos is abandonware, sadly
[00:06:24] <skar> mm abd zeta?
[00:06:27] <skar> and*
[00:06:36] <AnEvilYak> same thing
[00:06:41] <dr_evil> zeta is unlicensed and illegal
[00:07:33] <skar> yeah, and too hard to be pirated a iso jaja..
[00:07:44] <BePhantom> you could always try zevenos :P
[00:08:12] <skar> bah, is no good, and is just a placebo
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[00:08:51] <skar> ok no for me, srry but when i try i, no give a good impresion to me.
[00:09:12] <skar> :(
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[00:09:48] <BePhantom> does synaptics touchpad work in haiku?
[00:10:08] <CIA-15> kirilla * r30619 /haiku/trunk/headers/os/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Staking out some mipsel ground.
[00:11:51] <AnEvilYak> BePhantom: yes.
[00:12:43] <BePhantom> AnEvilYak, awesome!
[00:13:41] <BePhantom> i think i will download and try haiku on a stick today
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[00:14:53] <stpere> 1045 tickets open for R1 :-\
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[00:16:16] <AnEvilYak> stpere: there's probably quite a few old/stale ones in that mix
[00:16:23] <AnEvilYak> not really surprising though :)
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[00:16:26] <stpere> :)
[00:16:28] <AnEvilYak> hi mmlr
[00:16:30] <mmlr> hi
[00:16:49] <mmlr> waiting for host controller going dead...
[00:16:52] <mmlr> boring
[00:17:30] * AnEvilYak nods
[00:17:43] <Ingenu> night gusy
[00:17:47] <AnEvilYak> totally unpredictable I guess?
[00:17:48] <Ingenu> guys*
[00:17:52] <AnEvilYak> night Ingenu
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[00:18:37] <mmlr> I tryed to find out if I could reproduce it at all and worked on something different
[00:18:41] <mmlr> then it happened
[00:18:57] <mmlr> then I added debug output and such and now it obviously doesn't
[00:19:07] <AnEvilYak> know that feeling too well
[00:19:14] <mmlr> the problem is that it makes no sense at all
[00:19:29] <mmlr> if it failed when plugging a device or something then that'd somehow make sense
[00:19:34] <mmlr> you'd have a trigger of some sort
[00:19:52] <mmlr> but when in normal opartion the requests that get sent are always exactly the same
[00:19:58] <AnEvilYak> you don't have access to a bus analyzer do you?
[00:20:02] <mmlr> there is no reason why they should suddenly change
[00:20:34] <mmlr> I don't, but it must be a messed up token anyway
[00:20:43] <mmlr> so dumping the tokens should show the problem
[00:20:48] * AnEvilYak nods
[00:21:46] <dr_evil> hi mmlr!
[00:21:52] <mmlr> hi dr_evil
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[00:23:01] <helf|laptop> ok
[00:23:14] <helf|laptop> whoever is hammering berlios needs to stop before i stab them ;P
[00:23:20] <helf|laptop> my snv update is crawling
[00:23:23] <helf|laptop> svn
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[00:23:56] <CIA-15> kirilla * r30620 /haiku/trunk/src/system/glue/arch/mipsel/ (Jamfile crti.S crtn.S): Staking out some more mipsel ground.
[00:24:18] <kirilla> not me, promise :)
[00:24:29] <AnEvilYak> helf|laptop: berlios does that sometimes
[00:24:31] * JonathanThompson stabs helf|laptop with a berlios knife
[00:25:06] <BePhantom> haiku image is getting bigger and bigger, we'll soon have a 2DVD edition :D
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[00:25:24] <JonathanThompson> BePhantom: 2 BluRay ;)
[00:25:30] <stpere> ouch :)
[00:25:46] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, with 3rd with extra languages :D
[00:25:59] <JonathanThompson> Can't forget the Klingon translation ;)
[00:26:09] <JonathanThompson> And... the Borg edition :P
[00:26:26] <stpere> bork bork  :)
[00:26:36] <BePhantom> yeah, localization for the whole galaxy and nearby solar systems :)
[00:26:42] <stpere> swine edition? :-\
[00:26:52] * JonathanThompson oinks
[00:27:43] <BePhantom> i hope there will be a jibberish edition too
[00:27:55] <pyCube_> i am more concerned with the "drive slow in the fast/passing lane" flu pandemic
[00:28:01] <stpere> you are free to take care of it
[00:28:05] <stpere> :)
[00:28:23] <stpere> pyCube_: that one is definitely a pandemic
[00:28:29] <stpere> everywhere I went has it
[00:28:35] <BePhantom> and one for canadians :D
[00:28:36] <pyCube_> yeah
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[00:28:57] <stpere> BePhantom: there isn't _one_ edition for canadian that would fit all
[00:29:05] <pyCube_> its usually accompanied by a severe "dont pay attention to the line of traffic behind you flashing their headlights" syndrome
[00:29:24] <stpere> pyCube_: I suspect to do notice it
[00:29:30] <stpere> but at some point don't care
[00:29:33] <stpere> that's worse
[00:30:08] <pyCube_> yeah.. the vigilante-ism thing.. "well, you shouldnt be driving so fast anyway..." kind of stuff
[00:30:40] <pyCube_> its not about fast so much as it is about flow
[00:33:10] <pyCube_> i realized earlier today that I dont recall having ever written the word "mustn't"
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[00:33:25] <pyCube_> ...and thats its a strange word to look at
[00:33:28] <stpere> doh.. now you did
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[00:38:35] <BePhantom> is there haiku on a stick kind of program for ubuntu?
[00:38:45] <BePhantom> or maybe a command?
[00:39:03] <AnEvilYak> dd image to USB stick device, done.
[00:39:21] <CIA-15> kirilla * r30621 /haiku/trunk/src/system/ (16 files in 3 dirs): More mipsel
[00:39:39] <BePhantom> how would that be? dd if=/image of=usb ?
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[00:40:01] <AnEvilYak> BePhantom: more or less, where usb = /dev/sda or whatever your usb stick device is
[00:40:11] <mmu_man> just *don't* screw up :p
[00:40:14] <Rakhun> mipsel?..
[00:40:14] * Rakhun considers the possibility of running Haiku on a psp
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[00:40:24] <AnEvilYak> Rakhun: good luck with how little RAM those have
[00:40:25] <mmu_man> Rakhun yeah
[00:40:48] <BePhantom> AnEvilYak, /media/disk
[00:40:50] <AnEvilYak> and yeah, be very careful not to pick the wrong device on that :)
[00:40:53] <Rakhun> true, but Haiku is pretty light isn't it? as long as you don't start BeZilla
[00:40:53] <BePhantom> is that correct?
[00:40:55] <AnEvilYak> BePhantom: that's the mounted
[00:40:59] <AnEvilYak> BePhantom: you want the raw device
[00:41:06] <BePhantom> how do i know? :P
[00:41:21] <BePhantom> lsusb doesnt provide much info
[00:41:43] <AnEvilYak> type df
[00:41:51] <AnEvilYak> should show you the mount points and the corresponding devices
[00:42:08] <BePhantom> /dev/sdb
[00:42:13] <BePhantom> thanks AnEvilYak
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[00:43:24] <BePhantom> AnEvilYak, excuse my newbieness :D
[00:43:37] <AnEvilYak> no worries
[00:44:16] <mmadia42> ok,... in our repository,  we have the Build Tools (buildtools/).   what's a word phrase to describe Haiku's actual code for the os (haiku/)  ?
[00:44:25] <mmadia42> OS Code ?
[00:44:44] <stpere> Core
[00:44:46] <stpere> :P
[00:44:49] <stpere> buzzword
[00:45:22] <stpere> CoreGrape
[00:45:26] <BePhantom> writting to the stick
[00:45:51] <BePhantom> ok, haiku time, brb
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[00:53:33] <BePhantom> oh well, haiku wont boot
[00:53:37] <BePhantom> kdl fest :P
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[00:56:46] <BePhantom> this is the error http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4425/03052009076v.jpg
[00:56:52] <BePhantom> any ideas? :P
[00:57:09] <AnEvilYak> BePhantom: type bt
[00:57:23] <AnEvilYak> I think I know which panic you're hitting though...
[00:57:32] <mmlr> BePhantom: touching 0xcccccccd8?
[00:57:51] <BePhantom> i took a second picture, the line was long, will upload now
[00:58:05] <umccullough> AnEvilYak, the bus_manager related one?
[00:58:11] <umccullough> or the new issue with the vm ?
[00:58:11] <AnEvilYak> umccullough: no, the prefetching one
[00:58:14] <umccullough> ok
[00:58:21] <umccullough> yeah, i haven't updated since those started happening
[00:58:29] <AnEvilYak> ticket 3847
[00:58:33] <AnEvilYak> they don't happen to me :/
[00:59:02] <umccullough> i recall getting similar page faults with the ide bus_manager
[00:59:05] <umccullough> on my core 2 duo box
[00:59:09] <BePhantom> this is the missing part of the output http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6118/03052009077.jpg
[00:59:16] <AnEvilYak> oh goodie, I hear the tornado siren
[00:59:24] <umccullough> but oh yeah, that definitely looks like the prefetching error
[00:59:30] <umccullough> BePhantom, you really do need to type bt
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[00:59:34] <umccullough> and get the backtrace
[00:59:49] <BePhantom> i type bt and then?
[00:59:54] <stpere> AnEvilYak: hide!
[00:59:56] <umccullough> take another picture
[00:59:58] <BePhantom> ok
[01:00:10] <BePhantom> brb then, with bt message
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[01:00:37] <mmlr> I haven't updated either, I'm very hesitant due to the reported problems with both ata and prefetching
[01:00:46] <umccullough> :(
[01:00:48] <mmlr> which doesn't really help getting them resolved I guess
[01:00:55] <umccullough> heh, true
[01:01:12] <umccullough> mostly i just haven't had time lately
[01:03:27] <AnEvilYak> Works For Me (tm) ;)
[01:03:44] <mmlr> that's not helpful either :-P
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[01:04:02] <AnEvilYak> mmlr: sure, but it's at least interesting to know that the prefetching problem isn't universal
[01:04:15] <AnEvilYak> which makes it more curious as to what exact circumstances trigger it
[01:04:19] <BePhantom> ok, will upload the picture
[01:04:59] <umccullough> BePhantom, does it look like this? http://dev.haiku-os.org/attachment/ticket/3847/KDL.jpg
[01:05:03] <BePhantom> just a sec
[01:05:29] <AnEvilYak> I wonder if it has anything to do with him booting via USB...
[01:05:36] <AnEvilYak> I'm on a hard disk via the ata bus manager here
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[01:06:18] <BePhantom> http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1593/03052009078.jpg
[01:06:24] <BePhantom> thats bt output
[01:06:33] <AnEvilYak> yup, ticket 3847
[01:06:36] <umccullough> yep, same as #3847 then
[01:08:53] <BePhantom> it used to work, something is wrong with the current build
[01:09:21] <AnEvilYak> BePhantom: already known problem
[01:09:32] <AnEvilYak> not everybody hits it though, so it's not yet clear what causes it to happen for some people but not others
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[01:10:39] <BePhantom> me and haiku bot, the person who opened 3847 have a pc with similar specs
[01:11:08] <BePhantom> we both have Intel GMA 950, i don't know if that's the problem
[01:12:02] <AnEvilYak> GMA950 doesn't have anything to do with the disk/filesystem/cache layers
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[01:12:28] <AnEvilYak> gma hasn't even been loaded at the point you're hitting that panic
[01:12:38] <BePhantom> oh ok :)
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[01:14:06] <BePhantom> will have to try the VM version then :P
[01:15:33] <BePhantom> AnEvilYak, do you happen to know how to format my usb?
[01:15:43] <AnEvilYak> format how?
[01:15:55] <BePhantom> format with fat32
[01:16:13] <AnEvilYak> from linux?
[01:16:15] <AnEvilYak> or.. ?
[01:16:17] <BePhantom> yes
[01:16:21] <AnEvilYak> mkfs
[01:16:37] <AnEvilYak> I forget which -t parameter specifies fat32 on linux though
[01:16:46] <stpere> vfat I think
[01:16:53] <AnEvilYak> might be
[01:17:06] <AnEvilYak> only have a FreeBSD box here and it uses different filesystem names
[01:17:27] <BePhantom> i see
[01:17:37] <BePhantom> i'll have to boot windows :(
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[01:22:36] <BePhantom> brb
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[01:23:52] <geist> think he wants mkfs.vfat
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[01:30:44] <BePhantom> done :)
[01:30:58] <mmu_man> don't we have mkdos ?
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[01:31:30] <AnEvilYak> mmu_man: he was in linux
[01:31:52] <BePhantom> mkfs.vfat is the command but i did it in windows :P
[01:35:37] <mmadia42> does  --build-cross-tools <build tools dir> assume x86 ?
[01:36:30] <mmlr> yup
[01:36:42] <mmlr> because anything other than x86 doesn't really make sense
[01:37:05] <mmadia42> as we're not targeting binary compatibility for PPC (?)
[01:37:26] <mmlr> we can't
[01:37:36] <mmlr> they didn't even use gcc on ppc
[01:37:44] <mmadia42> right, codewarrior or something?
[01:37:48] <mmlr> metrowerks, yes
[01:37:54] <kirilla> they weren't using ELF on PPC
[01:38:00] <kirilla> PEF?
[01:39:42] <mmadia42> "Since x86 is the only platform for which BeOS R5 binary compatibility is available, no other target platforms need to be built with gcc2."   --- is that accurate?
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[01:41:15] <kirilla> how about "is possible"?
[01:41:16] <umccullough> i think a more reasonable way to explain would be:
[01:41:32] <umccullough> gcc2 only matters for x86 if you desire binary compatibility with BeOS R5
[01:41:59] <mmadia42> but i'd like to explain why gcc2 is only availabel for x86.
[01:42:00] <umccullough> although, i guess that doesn't explain why we don't use it on other platforms :/
[01:42:04] <mmadia42> :)
[01:42:13] <umccullough> well, frankly, it didn't even support ppc as a target
[01:42:24] <umccullough> so, we have no choice
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[01:42:39] <umccullough> but it would be pointless, anyhow, for sure
[01:42:43] <mmadia42> kirilla  "compatibility is possible"
[01:42:57] <kirilla> yeah
[01:43:06] <umccullough> sounds good
[01:48:14] <BePhantom> haiku should have gplv3 license
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[01:49:11] <stpere> BePhantom: why?
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[01:50:28] <BePhantom> because i dont like the idea of someone using haiku code to develop a proprietary software
[01:50:50] <kirilla> the idea of "freedom"..
[01:51:15] <mmadia42> i've learned to dislike gpl very quickly.
[01:51:36] <mmadia42> as it seems that gpl requires people to mirror all gpl code that they distribute as binaries.
[01:51:47] <mmadia42> though, IANAL :D
[01:52:44] <BePhantom> in MIT you have way too much freedom, you can close the source and make profit without even recognize the people who developed it in first place
[01:53:06] <kirilla> (GPL uglifies every file released under it, forcing one to scroll down.. what's up with that)
[01:53:22] <kirilla> BePhantom: are you a coder?
[01:53:33] <BePhantom> kirilla, no
[01:53:53] <umccullough_d1> gpl only really benefits the users
[01:54:00] <kirilla> then why do you care about coder recognition?
[01:54:11] <umccullough_d1> to solve the problem, just don't use any haiku-based system that is closed source
[01:54:22] <BePhantom> kirilla, because it's the right thing to do imo
[01:54:33] <umccullough_d1> BePhantom,  you as a user have all the choice in the world
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[01:54:46] <xRaich[o]2x> oh my gosh.... license foo... not again.
[01:54:47] <kirilla> I almost threw a GPL fit today, thinking of how GPL is the right thing in the mind of a lot of people.. people who don't even code!
[01:55:10] <umccullough_d1> heh
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[01:55:19] <umccullough_d1> well, frankly, it doesn't matter if you code or not
[01:55:29] <BePhantom> kirilla, im not saying that gpl is the only way to go
[01:55:32] <umccullough_d1> it's plain wrong to tell someone who writes code what license they should use
[01:55:41] <mmadia42> BePhantom : i'm sure the license choice for MIT is explained in haiku-os.org/about/faq
[01:56:00] <kirilla> I just wanna cut and paste and be happy.. develop some open stuff most of the time.. develop some closed stuff when I have to.. not the end of the world.. no animals hurt
[01:56:02] <BePhantom> and kirilla my intention is not to start a flaming war
[01:56:14] <umccullough_d1> too late :)
[01:56:17] <BePhantom> :D
[01:56:22] <xRaich[o]2x> kirilla: i'm with you
[01:56:24] <kirilla> sorry BePhantom :) I just had to vent
[01:56:34] <umccullough_d1> you can't start telling people they should use a license because you think its' better without starting a flame war
[01:57:25] <BePhantom> :D
[01:57:34] <umccullough_d1> that's like telling someone you they should dump their girlfriend and find another one
[01:57:38] <umccullough_d1> *think
[01:57:46] <BePhantom> i never said gpl was better than MIT
[01:58:01] <umccullough_d1> no, but you indicated that GPL was a better choice in your opinion
[01:58:17] <BePhantom> i only said haiku should have gplv3 :D
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[01:58:30] <umccullough_d1> well, that sure as fuck sounds like you saying haiku should be gpl
[01:58:48] <BePhantom> no need to curse
[01:58:50] <BePhantom> :)
[01:58:54] * umccullough_d1 curses some more
[01:58:59] * helf|laptop gives umccullough  his meds
[01:59:01] <kirilla> we have this new party in Sweden called the Pirate Party.. and they're trying to shorten the time before copyrights expire.. from 70+ years to.. 5 years... But the GPL folks rely on copyright to stay copyright.. or else someone can "steal" their code and close it.. and make it proprietary and shit.
[01:59:13] <BePhantom> umccullough, calm down :)
[01:59:30] * umccullough_d1 pulls out a gun and starts waving it around while screaming
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[01:59:36] <helf|laptop> :P
[01:59:38] <stpere> btw, Haiku should use a linux kernel :P
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[01:59:45] <stpere> j/k!!!
[01:59:45] <BePhantom> haha
[01:59:46] * helf|laptop smacks stef
[01:59:48] <BePhantom> and copmiz
[01:59:48] <helf|laptop> stpere,
[01:59:50] <helf|laptop> NOT funny
[01:59:50] <umccullough_d1> ok, i'll have another beer
[01:59:50] <BePhantom> compiz
[01:59:50] <helf|laptop> :P
[01:59:56] <kirilla> while lowering copyright times would benefit us, the GNU folks don't want to!
[02:00:08] <armchair> just make an xfce skin, project done
[02:00:16] <umccullough_d1> kirilla, heh, yeah, that sort of breaks the whole copyleft thing :D
[02:00:20] <helf|laptop> lol armchair
[02:00:46] <kirilla> ah well :)
[02:01:05] <xRaich[o]2x> most gnu stuff is encumbered with ideology.
[02:01:08] <umccullough_d1> personally, i don't mind copyright
[02:01:10] <xRaich[o]2x> just look at gcc
[02:01:14] <helf|laptop> nothing wrong with copyright
[02:01:29] <helf|laptop> patents, on the other hand...
[02:01:34] <helf|laptop> nothing really *wrong with them
[02:01:38] <helf|laptop> but our system is farked up
[02:01:51] <kirilla> lol stpere
[02:01:56] <umccullough_d1> copyright law needs some work
[02:02:04] <umccullough_d1> but copyrights are fine
[02:02:37] <mmadia42> http://dynamic.xkcd.com/comic/random/
[02:02:39] <umccullough_d1> and yes, patents are fucked
[02:02:43] <umccullough_d1> er...
[02:02:46] * umccullough_d1 cursed again
[02:03:07] * mmadia42 plants a seed for topic switch :)
[02:03:15] <BePhantom> lets decide which one is better gpl or mit over a wrestling match :)
[02:03:21] <mmadia42> yes!
[02:03:27] * umccullough_d1 gets out his sumo costume
[02:03:42] <helf|laptop> finally
[02:03:45] <helf|laptop> compiling haiku
[02:03:46] <helf|laptop> w00t
[02:04:01] <kirilla> jamming without -q is much more rewarding :)
[02:04:49] <BePhantom> umccullough, you mad at me? :D
[02:04:50] <helf|laptop> only took me 3 hours to get to this point
[02:05:16] <armchair> speaking of patents: 5,356,330
[02:05:26] <kirilla> free beer!
[02:06:21] <kirilla> BePhantom: I'm sorry if I sounded harsh
[02:06:38] <umccullough_d1> BePhantom, nah, i'm actually a pretty mellow guy
[02:06:51] * BePhantom group hugs
[02:06:58] <kirilla> lol
[02:07:05] <fcr> umccullough: GPLv3 is clearly better, let's fight!
[02:07:08] <fcr> :P
[02:07:18] <kirilla> kind of hard hugging in those sumo costumes
[02:07:21] * umccullough_d1 squashes fcr with his thumb
[02:07:48] * fcr forks 1000 times in a rabbit attack
[02:08:37] <xRaich[o]2x> fcr blows up in a memory leak
[02:08:50] <fcr> ouch, true
[02:09:18] <umccullough_d1> well, other than the fact that its slow as shit, this old PIII 800 machine isn't too bad
[02:09:34] <umccullough_d1> time to compile haiku on it :)_
[02:09:36] <umccullough_d1> :)
[02:09:37] <stpere> umccullough_d1: yay! a new topic :)
[02:09:53] * fcr is compiling haiku in his super laptop (pentium 116MHz)
[02:10:11] <BePhantom> so, jokes aside... when will haiku run with linux kernel?
[02:10:12] <BePhantom> :D
[02:10:33] <stpere> hmm, never?
[02:10:47] <BePhantom> just joking
[02:10:50] <BePhantom> hehe
[02:11:44] <xRaich[o]2x> i just wish vbox would play nicely with haiku...
[02:11:49] <mmadia42> how could i find which components get added by "--include-gpl-addons" ?
[02:12:10] <mmu_man> grep -R ?
[02:12:22] <mmadia42> ... for ?  :)
[02:12:31] <mmu_man> INCLUDE_GPL_ADDONS
[02:12:39] <mmadia42> okey
[02:12:46] <kirilla> dial one for INCLUDE_GPL_ADDONS
[02:13:26] <kirilla> perhaps in trunk/build/jam
[02:14:02] <mmadia42> GPL_ONLY  is the ticket to grep
[02:14:21] <BePhantom> oh oh the future IS now
[02:14:21] <BePhantom> http://www.transtime.com/
[02:16:24] <BePhantom> awesome, and people actually pay for that
[02:18:23] <BePhantom> human popsicle :)
[02:19:15] <xRaich[o]2x> time to set up my craptastic fujitsu siemens with the newest haiku build
[02:19:21] <mmu_man> their pre-html4 webpage looks cryonically suspended too
[02:20:07] <kirilla> xRaich[o]2x: which one have you got?
[02:20:09] <BePhantom> mmu_man, their webmaster is :)
[02:20:25] <xRaich[o]2x> kirilla: some old amilo. 1505 iirc
[02:20:59] <kirilla> xRaich[o]2x: oh  :)
[02:21:18] <mmadia42> does "--enable-multiuser" do anything these days?
[02:21:39] <xRaich[o]2x> kirilla: it's a horrible piece of hardware ;)
[02:21:44] <mmu_man> probably just add the Login app
[02:21:47] <BePhantom> mmu_man, this one is a bit better http://www.alcor.org :D
[02:21:47] <kirilla> P4?
[02:22:10] <xRaich[o]2x> kirilla: no not that old. core duo actually
[02:23:14] <kirilla> xRaich[o]2x: I've got a c2q fujitsu.. it used to be loud, but I.. corrected it.
[02:23:45] <xRaich[o]2x> kirilla: it's the cheapness of the hardware that drives me mad. components are failing for no reason etc
[02:24:55] <kirilla> xRaich[o]2x: its DVD doesn't seem to be region-free.
[02:25:29] <umccullough> mmu_man, couldn't that be done with an optional package instead of a configure option?
[02:26:02] <kirilla> xRaich[o]2x: next time I'm building something from select parts again
[02:26:20] <kirilla> but know know
[02:26:22] <kirilla> knows
[02:26:31] <kirilla> crap
[02:26:35] <xRaich[o]2x> I use laptops most of the time
[02:26:39] <kirilla> senility and lack of sleep
[02:27:21] <kirilla> I hear people use laptops in beds and on sofas.. how decadent!
[02:27:42] * xRaich[o]2x sits on his bed right now :D
[02:27:50] <mmu_man> with or without wifi ? :p
[02:27:58] <xRaich[o]2x> with ^^
[02:28:16] <fcr> kirilla: what's wrong with using laptops in bed?
[02:28:42] <kirilla> dunno :)
[02:28:46] <armchair> i never leave my laptop on my bed, always scared it will burn the house down or something
[02:28:58] <armchair> especially if it's plugged in
[02:29:30] <BePhantom> kirilla, in on my bed with my laptop right now :D
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[02:30:13] <BePhantom> im*
[02:30:23] <kirilla> So this is a slumber-party now? Splendid! :)))
[02:30:23] <xRaich[o]2x> i could be even more decadent and switch to my macbook, but i rather use my solaris box atm ^^
[02:31:48] <BePhantom> kirilla, is there some kind of rule or something as regards where to use the laptop? :D
[02:31:53] <umccullough_d1> i use my laptop on the bed and the sofa in the living room all the time... with *and* without wifi :)
[02:31:54] <mmadia42> any ideas how much more memory is used by using "--use-gcc-pipe" ?
[02:32:01] <umccullough_d1> with wired ethernet, too
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[02:32:10] <umccullough_d1> mmadia42, i don't use it with less than 512mb
[02:32:18] <umccullough_d1> although, i have no clue
[02:32:27] <umccullough_d1> might be worth testing later :)
[02:32:33] <kirilla> BePhantom: surely using it while on the "porcelain throne" is out of question?
[02:32:44] <umccullough_d1> i've only done that a couple times
[02:32:52] <kirilla> heh
[02:33:00] <BePhantom> kirilla, i actually used it once there :D
[02:33:00] <xRaich[o]2x> kirilla: that's what ipods are for :P
[02:33:08] <xRaich[o]2x> wireless internet on the throne
[02:33:08] <helf|laptop> how do you make a haiku image for use in virtualbox?
[02:33:09] <umccullough_d1> not while chatting with you guys though, if that makes you feel better :D
[02:33:15] <kirilla> ipotty? :-)
[02:33:21] <xRaich[o]2x> exactly ^^
[02:33:28] <umccullough_d1> helf|laptop, make yourself a build profile for vmware images
[02:33:36] <kirilla> thanks umccullough_d1
[02:33:39] <xRaich[o]2x> it twitter on the shitter ^^
[02:33:41] <xRaich[o]2x> i
[02:33:42] <BePhantom> kirilla, web surfing with my cellphone is more comfortable than my lappy on the toilet :D
[02:33:57] <kirilla> aw, man :)
[02:34:16] <kirilla> what a subject.. I'm sorry for inducing it!
[02:34:18] <umccullough_d1> now seriously, where i work...there are people who sit on the throne and chat on their cell phones in a public bathroom
[02:34:28] <xRaich[o]2x> gross
[02:34:31] <helf|laptop> ew
[02:34:35] <helf|laptop> umccullough,  oh ok
[02:34:43] <umccullough_d1> and i flush the toilet extra when i hear them to make sure the person on the other end knows ;)
[02:35:03] <BePhantom> i actually answered a few calls from the throne :D
[02:35:07] <xRaich[o]2x> be use to eat plenty of beans :P
[02:35:15] <xRaich[o]2x> s/use/sure
[02:35:20] <xRaich[o]2x> dang it's getting late -_-
[02:35:26] <umccullough_d1> helf|laptop, read build/jam/UserBuildConfig.Readme
[02:35:29] <xRaich[o]2x> almost 3am in the morning -_-
[02:35:39] <helf|laptop> more reading
[02:35:40] <helf|laptop> lame
[02:35:40] <helf|laptop> ;P
[02:35:44] <umccullough_d1> just do it
[02:35:45] <umccullough_d1> :P
[02:35:58] <umccullough_d1> specifically DefineBuildProfile
[02:36:07] <scanty> helf|laptop, stop making trouble
[02:36:09] <helf|laptop> ok
[02:36:12] <helf|laptop> :P
[02:36:17] <kirilla> tomorrow's going to be a horrible day at work :P
[02:36:18] <helf|laptop> i just compiled haiku for the first time
[02:36:37] <helf|laptop> kirilla,  yeah, for real. we have had gobs of water leaks and are closed to the public tomorrow
[02:36:45] <helf|laptop> hey scanty
[02:36:52] <scanty> hellow.
[02:36:57] <umccullough_d1> scanty,  did you see that Sikosis put up gcc4 images now?
[02:37:04] <scanty> indeed
[02:37:14] <scanty> i just haven't gotten around to trying one yet.
[02:37:26] <xRaich[o]2x> umccullough_d1: where?
[02:37:39] <umccullough_d1> haiku-files.org
[02:37:40] * BePhantom flushes
[02:37:42] <BePhantom> j/k
[02:37:46] <helf|laptop> heh
[02:37:52] <helf|laptop> i bet you twitter while on the pot
[02:38:01] <BePhantom> i dont have a twitter account
[02:38:02] <kirilla> helf|laptop: water surely gets everywhere :P we had some too a while back.. dishwasher broke at work.. cost some good 10.000 euro at least
[02:38:04] <helf|laptop> me neither
[02:38:04] <scanty> hah i wish i had some pot.
[02:38:11] <helf|laptop> ouch
[02:38:17] <mmadia42> stainless or cast iron?
[02:38:23] <helf|laptop> kirilla,  its pretty bad. leaks from one side of the building to the next
[02:38:44] <helf|laptop> steel with a liquid core and cast iron base
[02:38:45] <helf|laptop> ^_^
[02:38:50] <umccullough_d1> mmadia42, pure copper
[02:39:03] <kirilla> helf|laptop: I hope you don't have pay! :P
[02:39:03] <BePhantom> i really dont know what's the fuzz about
[02:39:13] <helf|laptop> kirilla,  i dont :P
[02:39:20] <helf|laptop> BePhantom,  its crap imo :)
[02:39:27] <xRaich[o]2x> twitter is quite nice. just follow the right people and you get a lot out of it.
[02:39:27] <scanty> i want my pot green with lots of trichomes.
[02:39:44] <helf|laptop> i can see some use for it
[02:39:54] <helf|laptop> but its just another 'net fad that wont last long
[02:39:55] <BePhantom> helf i have facebook and barely use it :P
[02:39:58] <helf|laptop> same :P
[02:40:08] <helf|laptop> i remember to log in like once a week
[02:40:11] <xRaich[o]2x> some people just mistreat it as an instant messenger
[02:40:24] <helf|laptop> some being most of the users
[02:40:30] <xRaich[o]2x> yep
[02:40:38] <xRaich[o]2x> don't really care for them anyway
[02:41:38] <BePhantom> there's a new trend here called flogger,
[02:41:42] <BePhantom> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flogger_(fashion)
[02:42:15] <xRaich[o]2x> i don't use twitter because it's a trend, i actually find it useful
[02:42:43] <helf|laptop> cool
[02:43:25] <BePhantom> this is how a flogger looks like http://spe.fotolog.com/photo/62/37/114/avossiquetekiero/1220814062443_f.jpg
[02:43:26] <BePhantom> :P
[02:43:30] <BePhantom> that's a dude :D
[02:43:46] <helf|laptop> what the hell
[02:44:32] <xRaich[o]2x> i've seen more weird things in my life ;)
[02:44:37] <BePhantom> floggers are teenagers that dress alike and take lots of pictures and upload them to fotolog pages
[02:45:18] <helf|laptop> why would you want to dress alike...
[02:45:29] <kirilla> looks like an evolution of "indie"
[02:45:37] <helf|laptop> ew :)
[02:45:37] <fcr> the other day I was listening a female flogger in tv, they look pretty normal to me
[02:45:38] <BePhantom> blog + photo = fotolog :)
[02:45:44] <kirilla> indie/emo
[02:45:51] <mmu_man> flog ?
[02:45:51] <fcr> s/listening/watching/
[02:45:58] * mmu_man takes the whip on BePhantom
[02:46:20] <BePhantom> helf, i dunno... because it's a fashion
[02:46:35] <kirilla> good night everyone, see you tomorrow
[02:46:37] <xRaich[o]2x> most people in scenes dress alike
[02:46:37] <BePhantom> helf, just search "flogger" in google images
[02:46:40] <BePhantom> :)
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[02:46:45] <xRaich[o]2x> just look at the so called "metalheads" :P
[02:47:12] <BePhantom> helf, or youtube :)
[02:47:17] <helf|laptop> i hate seeing guys around here wearing sking tight pants
[02:47:33] <helf|laptop> i dont even like it on most females :P
[02:47:40] <scanty> hehe one of my friends wears really tight pants, i yell at him all the time
[02:48:12] <scanty> it's embarassing.
[02:48:25] <BePhantom> hehe
[02:48:35] <BePhantom> yes, it's horrible :D
[02:49:28] <helf|laptop> no accounting for some peoples tastes :P
[02:49:53] <scanty> i like my pants low and loose kthnx.
[02:50:34] <helf|laptop> yeah
[02:50:40] <BePhantom> pantless ftw :D
[02:51:01] <helf|laptop> relaxed fit, low cut boot style
[02:51:05] <scanty> heh
[02:51:20] <scanty> boot cut owns.
[02:51:42] <pyCube_> beatrice otsch
[02:51:44] <helf|laptop> i have some jeans that are getting far too snug now.. they shrunk i tell ya
[02:51:53] <helf|laptop> i need to go shopping again...
[02:52:09] <scanty> me too..... i put on a good 40 pounds or so.
[02:52:18] <helf|laptop> seriously?
[02:52:34] <scanty> yeah, since my discharge from the hospital.
[02:52:40] <scanty> I was 110, now I'm 150
[02:52:40] <stpere> night
[02:52:45] <pyCube_> i have weighed 175 +/- 5 lbs for the past 20 years
[02:52:46] <helf|laptop> oh
[02:52:58] <helf|laptop> well thats good then :P
[02:53:04] <helf|laptop> pyCube,  me to
[02:53:06] <helf|laptop> too
[02:53:09] <helf|laptop> stuf at 180 right now
[02:53:11] <helf|laptop> *stuck
[02:53:25] <scanty> yeah, it was mainly from one of my medications.
[02:53:30] <umccullough_d1> ditto, although i weighed 125 in high school
[02:53:32] <pyCube_> no matter how much i eat, or not
[02:53:34] <scanty> so I got off of it, and hope to lose like 10 pounds
[02:53:37] <BePhantom> that in Kg? :D
[02:53:51] <helf|laptop> 125?
[02:53:54] <helf|laptop> how tall are you?
[02:53:55] <umccullough_d1> what are Kg? :)
[02:54:03] <umccullough_d1> helf|laptop, 5'7"
[02:54:10] <helf|laptop> ah, ok
[02:54:16] <pyCube_> umccullough_d1:  short for Kellogs
[02:54:18] <helf|laptop> id die if i weighed that ttle :P
[02:54:26] <BePhantom> hehe, helf you weight 81 kg :)
[02:54:44] <BePhantom> pyCube_ lol
[02:54:44] <stpere> I'm 5'11.5"
[02:55:04] <stpere> and I was 125 pounds for a good while
[02:55:11] <BePhantom> darn imperial units :D
[02:55:17] <pyCube_> wow.. thats kinda light
[02:55:21] <helf|laptop> jesus christ
[02:55:21] <stpere> now I'm 180 pounds
[02:55:23] <umccullough_d1> yeah, skinniness
[02:55:30] <helf|laptop> how can you weigh 125lbs and be almost 6' :P
[02:55:34] <umccullough_d1> i went up to 180 after having a couple kids :D
[02:55:39] <helf|laptop> lol
[02:55:46] <stpere> :)
[02:55:58] <stpere> my weight varies a lot
[02:56:08] <stpere> by +/- 10 pounds a year
[02:56:29] <umccullough_d1> in my case, middle-age caught up with me a bit early
[02:56:31] <helf|laptop> steady weight = healthy
[02:56:44] <stpere> helf|laptop: agreed
[02:57:12] <helf|laptop> i could stand to weigh 165-170 pretty easily
[02:57:21] <helf|laptop> i gained 10lbs between december and january :P
[02:57:26] <stpere> at some point, you could see my ribs pretty clearly
[02:57:29] <scanty> I want to go down to 140ish.
[02:57:36] <helf|laptop> heh
[02:57:42] <helf|laptop> id be happ at 170 again
[02:57:46] <stpere> :)
[02:57:47] <helf|laptop> this keyboard blows
[02:58:17] * BePhantom thinks only metric system should be allowed in this channel
[02:58:19] <BePhantom> :D
[02:58:27] <stpere> divide by 2.2
[02:58:40] <stpere> to get pounds, I mean
[02:58:54] <stpere> err KG
[02:59:28] <pyCube_> i weigh 1
[02:59:31] <mmadia42> is it wise to have separate directories when building jam -q @alpha-raw   and jam -q haiku-cd ?
[02:59:35] <pyCube_> 1 me unit
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[03:00:02] <helf|laptop> haiku kinda booted!
[03:00:03] <helf|laptop> :P
[03:00:11] <BePhantom> i weight 132lbs
[03:00:22] <helf|laptop> loaded blue desktop and mouse then KDLed
[03:00:30] <scanty> helf|laptop, in a VM, or otherwise>
[03:00:30] <umccullough_d1> yay!
[03:01:04] <helf|laptop> "panic: could not write back block 3 (device recalibrate error)
[03:01:06] <helf|laptop> "
[03:01:23] <helf|laptop> oh, wait
[03:01:29] <umccullough_d1> continue
[03:01:31] <umccullough_d1> continue
[03:01:32] <umccullough_d1> continue
[03:01:44] <umccullough_d1> and i think that's specific to virtualbox iirc
[03:02:01] <scanty> i've been having issues with vbox too.
[03:02:33] <BePhantom> i just installed vbox, will test the image
[03:02:48] <helf|laptop> yeah
[03:02:56] <helf|laptop> it loads mroe and more between each kdl
[03:03:00] <helf|laptop> ...
[03:03:09] * JonathanThompson poits helf|laptop
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[03:03:59] * BePhantom wonders what poit is
[03:04:56] <umccullough> it's related to narf
[03:05:31] <BePhantom> as in Native American Rights Fund?
[03:05:35] <BePhantom> :D
[03:05:39] <umccullough> not exactly
[03:05:59] <BePhantom> narf from pinky and brain right?
[03:06:42] <aurynn> NARF!
[03:07:28] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, mind explaining poit? :D
[03:07:41] <JonathanThompson> Ask aurynn :D
[03:07:52] <aurynn> Poit is like narf, but different.
[03:08:03] <BePhantom> hehe
[03:08:05] <BePhantom> ok :)
[03:08:29] <BePhantom> pinky and the brain, awesome cartoon :)
[03:08:43] <aurynn> and then there's troz, which is ZORT! in a mirror!
[03:09:03] <BePhantom> my gosh, i have lots to learn :D
[03:09:12] <helf|laptop> umccullough,  im a tard :P
[03:09:15] <umccullough> pfoetchen, i just happen to have an xbox here that i plan to modchip
[03:09:17] <helf|laptop> haiku is running fine now
[03:09:21] <helf|laptop> permission were set wrong
[03:09:24] <helf|laptop> permissions
[03:09:29] <umccullough> heh
[03:09:33] <umccullough> yeah, that would do it
[03:10:49] <pfoetchen> umccullough cool ;) never had an xbox myself but I should buy one now that they are so cheap ;)
[03:11:03] <umccullough> yeah, got this one for $7 at a yard sale
[03:11:14] <helf|laptop> runs like ass in vbox
[03:11:15] <umccullough> but it had a busted dvd drive, so i just bought one for $50 to put in it :P
[03:11:35] <JonathanThompson> Does the ass have legs attached, helf|laptop ? :D
[03:11:43] <umccullough> that's the problem
[03:11:47] <umccullough> ass don't run well
[03:12:00] <JonathanThompson> Butt, why not???
[03:12:01] <helf|laptop> yeah,i t would run quicker with legs
[03:12:06] <helf|laptop> the mouse is spastic
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[03:13:24] <helf|laptop> running a little better now
[03:13:34] <helf|laptop> vbox uses quite a bit of CPU power :P
[03:13:48] <umccullough> frankly, running haiku in a vm these days doesn't interest me in the least
[03:13:48] <helf|laptop> teapot runs at ~120-190fps
[03:13:52] <umccullough> heh
[03:14:22] <JonathanThompson> That's useful, helf|laptop :D
[03:14:37] <helf|laptop> :P
[03:14:43] <helf|laptop> vbox seems to have settled down
[03:14:48] <helf|laptop> my cpu isnt panting anymore
[03:14:53] <helf|laptop> wonder what was causing that
[03:15:02] <scanty> maybe the recompiler was busy.
[03:15:17] * mmadia42 blinks
[03:15:29] <mmadia42> helf ... running Haiku?   o.O
[03:15:33] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, teapot spining is the only reason why i install haiku :D
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[03:15:58] <helf|laptop> ha
[03:16:05] <JonathanThompson> mmadia42: it seems out of character for helf|laptop to have something so modern it isn't released officially yet :D
[03:16:07] <helf|laptop> changed the screen resolution and vbox crapped itself
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[03:16:17] <helf|laptop> :P
[03:16:18] <JonathanThompson> BePhantom: so, what can you do with spinning teapots? :D
[03:16:21] <helf|laptop> i got bored
[03:16:25] <helf|laptop> and decided to finally compile haiku
[03:16:39] <helf|laptop> plus i have this new laptop i managed to get going
[03:16:43] <umccullough> helf|laptop, now you just need to get yourself a POS machine and install it for real
[03:16:57] <helf|laptop> its has GOBS of cpu power to spare (comparatively ;)) so i figured id have some fun
[03:17:07] <helf|laptop> umccullough,  i may put it on my gx1
[03:17:13] <umccullough> yeah, that would run it
[03:17:17] * JonathanThompson wonders how much is in a GOB
[03:17:23] <umccullough> i'm compiling it on a piii 800 now
[03:17:26] <umccullough> with only 256mb ram
[03:17:33] <helf|laptop> 1.4ghz tualatin, 768mb ram, nvidia fx5500, dvd burner, etc
[03:18:15] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, test my patience... see how much time i can spend in front of my computer watching a teapot spin, it's quite therapeutical
[03:18:23] <aurynn> hm, that reminds me, I need to rebuild my tower and reinstall Ubuntu
[03:18:38] <JonathanThompson> Sounds like cheap therapy, BePhantom :D
[03:18:44] <umccullough_d1> install debian 5 instead
[03:18:54] <aurynn> how about.. no.
[03:18:59] <umccullough_d1> your choice
[03:19:06] <aurynn> I want a desktop OS
[03:19:09] <umccullough_d1> ubuntu is on my "most hated distro" list
[03:19:09] <aurynn> not Linux
[03:19:19] <helf|laptop> im running 9.04 on here
[03:19:23] <BePhantom> aurynn, try windows 95
[03:19:23] <helf|laptop> first time ive used it in ages
[03:19:24] <BePhantom> :D
[03:19:26] <helf|laptop> working OK so far
[03:19:27] <aurynn> BePhantom, using OSX
[03:19:29] <umccullough_d1> you clearly have missed debian in the last few years
[03:19:45] <helf|laptop> debian is my favorite distro.
[03:19:54] <umccullough_d1> debian looks like a non-brown ubuntu
[03:20:03] <umccullough_d1> and it doesn't break every update
[03:20:06] <aurynn> umccullough_d1, we use debian at work on the servers. I just have no tolerance for things not being set up the first time.
[03:20:21] <umccullough_d1> debian just works :)
[03:20:25] <umccullough_d1> ubuntu just breaks
[03:20:28] <aurynn> so does ubuntu
[03:20:35] <umccullough_d1> heh, not since 7.x
[03:20:40] <aurynn> works fine for me
[03:20:45] <umccullough_d1> wireless is busted, intel video is busted
[03:20:53] <umccullough_d1> it all *used* to work
[03:21:04] <BePhantom> i cant believe canonical releases a new ubuntu version (9.04) with so many bugs
[03:21:20] <BePhantom> imo release date should've been delayed
[03:21:28] <pyCube_> 9.04 works really well fo rme
[03:21:31] <umccullough_d1> i'm on debian right now, installed it earlier
[03:21:41] <BePhantom> pyCube_ you're lucky
[03:21:44] <umccullough_d1> on a piii 800 box with 256mb ram, it runs pretty well
[03:21:47] <aurynn> 8.04 and 8.10 worked great for me
[03:22:02] <umccullough_d1> only thing i had to install after defaults was xchat
[03:22:06] <helf|laptop> its working fairly well for me
[03:22:08] <umccullough_d1> and the haiku prerequisites
[03:22:08] <helf|laptop> had a few issues
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[03:22:19] <helf|laptop> i havent used it since 7.x and 7.x sucked bad :P
[03:22:40] <BePhantom> 9.04 looks rushed to me
[03:22:41] <helf|laptop> i decided to install it since i didnt have my xp cd on hand...
[03:22:42] <aurynn> I remember 5.10 being absolutely horrible
[03:23:17] <umccullough_d1> ubuntu is on the way out, they've hit their prime a while ago and are on the decline
[03:23:43] <helf|laptop> arent they losing money left and right?
[03:23:52] <umccullough_d1> i dont' care if they're losing money
[03:23:58] <umccullough_d1> they're losing their faithful followers
[03:24:33] <umccullough_d1> i've pretty much eliminated it from all my machines now
[03:24:40] <pyCube_> i dont care enough anymore.. ubuntu works, i know it, so i use it
[03:24:59] <BePhantom> umccullough_d1, i think it's on the contrary, they now released netbook version it will attract new users
[03:25:25] <helf|laptop> i watched some vids of the netbook "remix"
[03:25:29] <helf|laptop> i dont see the appeal.
[03:25:47] <umccullough_d1> the netbook versions of ubuntu aren't made by canonical
[03:26:13] <umccullough_d1> and netbook linux is currently under fire for being quite poor
[03:26:23] * helf|laptop cant wait to get his mini 9
[03:26:26] <umccullough_d1> i suspect moblin will pull that back into line
[03:26:28] <helf|laptop> has osx 10.5 on it :)
[03:27:03] <umccullough_d1> ugh, hackintosh netbook :P
[03:27:11] <pyCube_> i wiped osx 10.5 in favor of ubuntu..heh
[03:27:13] <helf|laptop> :D
[03:27:20] <scanty> i can't stand osx.
[03:27:22] <helf|laptop> the hardware is 100% supported by osx
[03:27:27] <helf|laptop> so im going to give it a shot
[03:27:38] <helf|laptop> if i dont like it, ill stick something else on
[03:27:59] <BePhantom> i never used osx
[03:28:14] <helf|laptop> right now, in the desktop os world, its choosing the least sucky OS.. and its a touch decision
[03:28:24] <BePhantom> not many people have mac hardware here
[03:28:27] <umccullough_d1> windows xp
[03:28:32] <helf|laptop> tough
[03:28:35] <BePhantom> so i never had access to osx
[03:28:44] <helf|laptop> umccullough,  yeah, i run it mostly
[03:29:15] <BePhantom> umccullough, windows 7 seems to be gaining a lot of popularity
[03:29:25] <aurynn> Win7 is shiny
[03:29:28] <aurynn> I will give it that
[03:29:36] <umccullough_d1> BePhantom, i thought it would be good, but it seems to be no better than vista
[03:29:46] <umccullough_d1> i want lean-and-mean over shiny ;)
[03:30:11] <BePhantom> umccullough_d1, i take your word, I never tried W7, and little Vista experience
[03:30:22] <umccullough_d1> BePhantom, i haven't used w7 either
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[03:30:28] <umccullough_d1> but what i read suggests it's no better
[03:30:35] <xRaich[o]2x> didn't use windows in the past 7 or 8 years. didn't it get any better? i heard at least some security stuff improved a lot.
[03:30:48] <aurynn> it's not bad
[03:30:54] <aurynn> I'll be replacing Vista w/ it.
[03:31:01] <BePhantom> security wise there are a lots of holes here and there
[03:31:10] <umccullough_d1> when w7 runs on my PIII machines, i'll seriously consider it
[03:31:57] <BePhantom> windows is just way too expensive for me
[03:32:09] <umccullough_d1> well, there's that angle as well
[03:32:20] <aurynn> when p3's don't suck, I'll consider using one. :P
[03:32:32] <umccullough_d1> p3's don't suck at all
[03:32:37] <umccullough_d1> they were way better than p4's
[03:32:41] <BePhantom> windows xp pro license costs 230 dollars here
[03:32:48] <BePhantom> way too much
[03:33:04] <aurynn> umccullough, yes, but I can buy new computronium now that blows them away, power and efficiency-wise
[03:33:46] <umccullough_d1> ah yes, throw away your computer for a more efficient one every few years, good idea :)
[03:34:15] <aurynn> nah, the old ones get donated to needy families.
[03:34:21] <umccullough_d1> exactly
[03:34:32] <umccullough_d1> and what runs on it?
[03:34:45] <aurynn> XP.
[03:34:55] <umccullough_d1> needy families with a zombie machine...super
[03:36:03] <BePhantom> that's why haiku is green
[03:36:05] <umccullough_d1> my point is...processing power doesn't make a machine useful
[03:36:23] <umccullough_d1> and security doesn't require extra processing power
[03:36:32] <BePhantom> it's good for the environment because you can recycle old hardware
[03:36:35] <BePhantom> :D
[03:36:55] <umccullough_d1> so, there's this HUGE niche where computers that aren't good enough to run the latest commercial offering from microsoft, still need something secure and reliable
[03:37:30] <aurynn> and it's called Ubuntu.
[03:37:35] <fcr> umccullough: that's why my servers are pentium 1, they use little power
[03:37:38] <aurynn> :P if you want to play support for those families
[03:37:44] <umccullough_d1> if ubuntu ran well on old machines, i'd agree
[03:38:46] <umccullough_d1> ubuntu barely runs well on mediocre machines these days
[03:39:16] <aurynn> it's more "linux isn't an acceptable option for non-power-users"
[03:39:44] <umccullough_d1> for numerous reasons
[03:40:02] <helf|laptop> umccullough,  win7 runs on p3s
[03:40:08] <BePhantom> if only damn small linux had a better desktop manager :D
[03:40:11] <fcr> <aurynn> it's more "linux isn't an acceptable option for non-power-users" < or better "non-power-end-users"
[03:40:12] <umccullough_d1> helf|laptop, supposedly
[03:40:21] <JonathanThompson> What's the minimum RAM required, helf|laptop ? :D
[03:40:28] <umccullough_d1> 1gb
[03:40:28] <helf|laptop> 512mb iirc
[03:40:31] <helf|laptop> 1gb?
[03:40:32] <umccullough_d1> according to microsoft
[03:40:35] * JonathanThompson sighs
[03:40:39] * BePhantom poits JonathanThompson
[03:40:40] <helf|laptop> well, i had it on a pc, and it booted up to 320mb of ram in use
[03:41:02] <umccullough_d1> microsoft has released their official minimum specs
[03:41:04] <BePhantom> helf, i think it's 512
[03:41:25] <helf|laptop> xp boots to 60mb of ram in use on my gx1, heh
[03:41:42] <helf|laptop> ubuntu is using all my ram at the moment between the system, apps, and cache..
[03:41:44] <helf|laptop> 2gb
[03:41:55] <aurynn> Ubuntu never uses up all my RAM, but I have ~6GB
[03:42:19] <fcr> helf: that's obvious,
[03:42:24] <BePhantom> i have ubuntu with 2GB of RAM and plenty to spare
[03:42:43] <BePhantom> 500 used
[03:43:02] <fcr> not using free ram for cache is a waste
[03:43:12] <umccullough_d1> that's true
[03:43:16] <helf|laptop> yeah
[03:43:55] <fcr> well, I'm going to bed, oyasuminasai
[03:43:56] <umccullough_d1> however, making your OS use 16gb of disk and expecting there to be 1gb of RAM as a result...that's just plain ludicrous
[03:44:02] <umccullough_d1> however, expecting there to be enough cach
[03:44:06] <umccullough_d1> doh
[03:44:14] <umccullough_d1> http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2643
[03:45:12] <helf|laptop> vista is so slow in some aspects and quick in others, its  annoying
[03:45:17] <BePhantom> Note: If you are planning to run Windows XP Mode along with Windows 7, Microsoft is recommending a PC with a minimum of 2GB of memory and 15 GB of additional disk space.
[03:45:18] <BePhantom> :D
[03:45:29] <helf|laptop> have it on my bros pc.. general GUI speed feels /slow/ but launching apps is quick and crap :P
[03:45:33] <umccullough_d1> ridiculous
[03:46:09] <umccullough_d1> i actually feel bad for people who believe that's how it should be
[03:46:12] <aurynn> the vista gui has never felt slow for me
[03:46:25] <umccullough_d1> clearly because you have a top-of-the-line video card
[03:46:28] <aurynn> Ubuntu 8.10 is slow as hell, but that's entirely due to poor disk IO
[03:46:36] <mmadia42> interesting....   mkdir /developement ; mkdir /development/haiku-source ; open /development ;  (create New Folder) ;  use Tracker to rename folder ; fail.
[03:46:48] <aurynn> umccullough_d1, yes, it cost a whole $100.
[03:46:56] <helf|laptop> aurynn,  coming from nextstep, windows xp, beos, etc, its /feels/ slow to me
[03:47:02] <umccullough_d1> aurynn, that's a lot of video card these days :)
[03:47:08] <helf|laptop> $100 pci-e cards are actually pretty damn nice now :P
[03:47:33] <umccullough_d1> i don't pay for video cards, i get them integrated, or even free after rebate
[03:48:15] <helf|laptop> ive been happy with my fx5500 for awhile
[03:48:32] <helf|laptop> i wouldnt mind building a new machine with an uber video card among other components, tho :)
[03:48:34] <BePhantom> helf, and me with my Geforce 2 :)
[03:48:36] <umccullough_d1> i have two fx5200's i got free
[03:49:01] <aurynn> my LCD cost more than my last PC build
[03:49:08] <umccullough_d1> ditto
[03:49:15] <umccullough_d1> $300
[03:49:35] <umccullough_d1> (for the LCD)
[03:49:38] <JonathanThompson> You mean that's  not how it's supposed to be???
[03:49:41] <aurynn> Mine was about $600
[03:49:47] <aurynn> (LCD)
[03:49:49] <umccullough_d1> oh, see...you spent too much ;)
[03:49:56] <umccullough_d1> must be 30"
[03:49:56] <aurynn> No, no I didn't
[03:50:01] <helf|laptop> i need to get a decent lcd for my NeXT
[03:50:05] <aurynn> 24" wide-gamut
[03:50:18] * JonathanThompson runs the gamut, decides it's a short race
[03:50:19] <helf|laptop> resolution?
[03:50:27] <JonathanThompson> To make a lot of money this year!
[03:50:28] <umccullough_d1> huh...my samsung 24" only cost me $300 for 1920x1200
[03:50:40] <umccullough_d1> my wife's was less than that
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[03:50:53] <aurynn> umccullough_d1, it's a 245T, the highest-end model
[03:51:07] * helf|laptop needs one thats black, has decent response times, handles 1120x832 and SoG
[03:51:14] <umccullough_d1> mine's a 245BW
[03:51:22] <aurynn> colour quality was my defining requirement
[03:52:03] <aurynn> true 24-bit panel, wide colour gamut, good responsivity to colour profiling..
[03:52:35] <umccullough_d1> you must do photography or something
[03:52:39] <aurynn> I do
[03:52:44] <umccullough_d1> that makes sense
[03:54:56] <BePhantom> wow, haiku VM is failing
[03:54:59] <BePhantom> mm
[03:55:19] <BePhantom> virtualbox error in suplibOsInit
[03:55:32] <BePhantom> never happened before
[03:57:33] <umccullough_d1> time to put this machine to rest
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[03:58:25] <xRaich[o]2x> BePhantom: haiku won't run well inside vbox
[03:58:32] <helf|haiku> test test test
[03:58:35] <xRaich[o]2x> retest
[03:58:42] <mmadia42> icle icle icle
[03:58:46] <helf|haiku> kewl
[03:58:52] * helf|haiku is using haiku for the first time ever
[03:59:08] <xRaich[o]2x> congrats
[03:59:09] <BePhantom> Virtual machine 'Haiku' has terminated unexpectedly during startup.
[03:59:27] <umccullough> helf|haiku, that's so sad considering how long you've been hanging out in this channel
[03:59:30] <xRaich[o]2x> what version of vbox?
[03:59:31] <BePhantom> well, it wont run on VM nor on RH, i give it a rest :D
[03:59:40] <helf|haiku> umccullough :P
[03:59:48] <helf|haiku> i came with the rest of beshare :P
[03:59:57] <BePhantom> xRaich[o]2x, 2.0.4
[04:00:00] <helf|haiku> i was going to wait until R1, but... :)
[04:00:20] <xRaich[o]2x> BePhantom: yep that's normal behavior for that version
[04:00:25] <xRaich[o]2x> the never versions just freeze
[04:00:28] <xRaich[o]2x> newer
[04:00:43] <xRaich[o]2x> at least they freeze haiku
[04:00:57] <helf|haiku> it thinks my laptops core duo cpu is 2.12ghz instead of 1.6ghz
[04:01:09] <BePhantom> xRaich[o]2x, is it a bug in vbox? or is it haiku's image fault?
[04:01:18] <xRaich[o]2x> vbox
[04:01:23] <BePhantom> :P
[04:01:28] <xRaich[o]2x> it's a know issue
[04:01:31] <xRaich[o]2x> known
[04:01:33] <xRaich[o]2x> dang
[04:01:35] <xRaich[o]2x> 4am
[04:01:39] <umccullough> sleep
[04:01:46] <xRaich[o]2x> sounds reasonable
[04:01:51] <scanty> sleep is for the weak
[04:01:59] <xRaich[o]2x> that's my line ;)
[04:02:01] * umccullough needs 8 hours of sleep a night
[04:02:02] <BePhantom> breakfast then bed :D
[04:02:16] <scanty> me too, 8 to 9 hours
[04:02:20] <scanty> or else i don't work properly.
[04:02:40] <umccullough> yeah, i totally burn out otherwise
[04:02:40] <JonathanThompson> Long breakfast, scanty :D
[04:02:43] <scanty> thank god for seroquel
[04:02:59] * helf|haiku can work on 2 hours
[04:03:15] * JonathanThompson has run many half-marathons on about 5
[04:03:17] <JonathanThompson> Er, 4
[04:03:21] <helf|haiku> i really dont need much sleep to function in wht i think is a normal way :P
[04:03:22] <JonathanThompson> (Typo)
[04:03:24] <scanty> breakfast is the most important meal of the day, they say.
[04:03:30] <scanty> taht's why i take care to skip it each day
[04:03:33] * helf|haiku snacks all day long
[04:03:40] <JonathanThompson> helf|haiku: who said you functioned in a normal way? :P
[04:03:46] <helf|haiku> haiku really doesnt take long to compile on this laptop
[04:03:46] <xRaich[o]2x> k guys. i call it a day. bye
[04:03:57] <scanty> seeya
[04:03:59] <JonathanThompson> And he saw, that it was good night.
[04:04:05] <helf|haiku> core duo @ 1.6ghz and it took my like 1.5 hours to finally get it set up right because im an idiot
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[04:04:19] * JonathanThompson doesn't argue, helf|haiku clearly knows more
[04:04:35] <scanty> helf|haiku, build it on your NeXT box.
[04:04:44] * JonathanThompson laughs
[04:04:52] <helf|haiku> lol, i was just thinking about that a minute ago
[04:05:01] <umccullough> might take a couple days
[04:05:03] <scanty> it's 68k right?
[04:05:09] <helf|haiku> 33mhz 040
[04:05:14] <umccullough> might take a week :P
[04:05:14] <helf|haiku> 128mb 60ns edo :P
[04:05:15] <scanty> so it has a separate mmu?
[04:05:17] <helf|haiku> interleaved
[04:05:22] <helf|haiku> built in mmu
[04:05:30] <JonathanThompson> Well, it might actually be I/O bound ;)
[04:05:52] <helf|haiku> scsi-1 bus is only good for 4.5mb/s
[04:05:59] <helf|haiku> and my next only gets around 2mb/s to the crappy drive i have
[04:06:01] <helf|haiku> :P
[04:06:08] * helf|haiku needs a new scsi disk
[04:06:14] <umccullough> i sent you one ;)
[04:06:23] * JonathanThompson wonders if helf|haiku has the proper SCSI connector in the rear
[04:06:29] <helf|haiku> ive not finished creating tfor i t:)he disktab entry
[04:06:35] <scanty> i don't accept connections in the rear.
[04:06:36] <helf|haiku> *the disktab entry for it
[04:06:41] <JonathanThompson> Doesn't that make it hard to sit comfortably, helf|haiku ? ;)
[04:06:46] <helf|haiku> ...
[04:07:03] <helf|haiku> does it, JonathanThompson? :P
[04:07:12] * JonathanThompson doesn't know from experience
[04:07:38] * JonathanThompson hands helf|haiku a terminator, and a Sarah Connor to complement it
[04:07:51] <helf|haiku> my try at changing my next over to a sata ssd didnt work too well
[04:08:14] <JonathanThompson> Was your hard drive too sexy for your processor? :D
[04:08:20] <scanty> just gut the machine and build a new machine into it.
[04:08:33] <JonathanThompson> scanty: you're being way too logical!
[04:08:43] <scanty> i know, today i'm a friendlty XOR gate.
[04:08:44] <helf|haiku> no
[04:08:52] <helf|haiku> thats sacriligious
[04:09:07] * JonathanThompson didn't know there was a religion for sacks
[04:09:13] <helf|haiku> im giving it anohter try with a different IO bridge
[04:09:13] <helf|haiku> :D
[04:09:25] <JonathanThompson> I imagine everyone looks the same through the eyeholes :D
[04:09:33] * helf|haiku doesnt give up that easily
[04:10:17] * JonathanThompson sees if he can send over his trials and tribulations to helf|haiku so he can test his mettle
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[04:20:32] <BePhantom> so is anyone here worried about the influenza?
[04:20:58] <JonathanThompson> Not really, at this time: I'm confident it'll kill a few more people, and I'd be disappointed if it didn't ;)
[04:21:21] <BePhantom> haha
[04:21:57] <helf|laptop> no
[04:22:03] <helf|laptop> its fucking absurd
[04:22:16] <helf|laptop> its a new strain, they pop up all the time, influenza is constantly mutating.
[04:22:22] <helf|laptop> thousands of people die every year from the flu
[04:22:38] <JonathanThompson> Actually, hundreds of thousands worldwide.
[04:23:03] <BePhantom> and what happened with the aviar flu (was that its name?) it just dissapeared or what?
[04:23:16] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps that's part of this current one?
[04:23:16] <helf|laptop> i dunno, the media moved on to other things
[04:23:17] <helf|laptop> :P
[04:23:27] <JonathanThompson> It's part bird, part pig, part human, after all.
[04:24:17] <helf|laptop> its manbirdpig!
[04:25:10] * JonathanThompson feeds helf|haiku the manbirdpig some special seeds to give him wings of gory
[04:25:20] <BePhantom> so a bird mates with a pig and a pig with a man
[04:25:30] <JonathanThompson> I imagine your deposits are big and nasty, helf|haiku :D
[04:26:58] <helf|laptop> lol
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[04:32:52] <BePhantom> here there's a huge outbreak of dengue fever, one month ago was all over the news, in every newspaper front page
[04:33:17] <helf|laptop> hell yes
[04:33:23] <BePhantom> not it magically dissapeared, i think media has more important things to report
[04:33:23] <helf|laptop> BeBattle works in Haiku
[04:33:25] * helf|laptop is SOLD
[04:33:43] <helf|laptop> BePhantom,  dengue fever is nasty
[04:33:59] <helf|laptop> they pick up on one sensational story for like a week them move on to another one
[04:34:02] <helf|laptop> mass media is a JOKE
[04:34:08] <BePhantom> i never had it so crossing fingers
[04:34:33] <helf|laptop> yeah
[04:34:36] <helf|laptop> i hope you dont
[04:34:44] <mmadia42> matt madia is not a joke!
[04:34:49] <helf|laptop> they are hard at work trying to find a cure, but who knows when thatll happen
[04:34:54] <helf|laptop> heh
[04:35:02] <helf|laptop> mmadia42,  bebattle works in haiku :D
[04:35:09] <mmadia42> bebattle?
[04:35:10] <helf|laptop> my favoritest beos app evar
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[04:36:12] <mmadia42> ha
[04:36:16] <mmadia42> *ah
[04:36:31] <BePhantom> i remember the programmer, whitehorn something
[04:36:45] <mmadia42> nathan whitehorn
[04:36:56] <BePhantom> yeah, that's the one
[04:37:01] <BePhantom> good kid
[04:37:02] <helf|laptop> i love that game :)
[04:37:09] <mmadia42> he had a quad ppc iirc.
[04:37:23] <mmadia42> daystar! that's the machine
[04:37:29] <BePhantom> he was a very young programmer
[04:37:37] <helf|laptop> nice machine
[04:37:59] <helf|laptop> doesnt nathanw come on here some?
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[04:40:01] <mmadia42> have you ever seen him before you started using Haiku? :P
[04:40:28] <mmadia42> new to the OS, not the channel there buddy :D
[04:40:57] <mmadia42> (man that sounded more dickish than intended)
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[04:44:35] * helf|laptop smacks mmadia42
[04:46:34] <JonathanThompson> If mmadia42 sounded dickish and you smacked him, helf|haiku ...
[04:46:45] <helf|laptop> ...
[04:46:52] * helf|laptop punches JonathanThompson
[04:47:10] * JonathanThompson bops helf|haiku on the rebound
[04:47:31] <mmadia42> :P
[04:48:11] <JonathanThompson> http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/hsh/1152080773.html
[04:48:17] <JonathanThompson> Classic Seattle fare!
[04:48:46] <helf|laptop> lol
[04:48:47] <helf|laptop> nice
[04:50:13] <BePhantom> stipper pole?
[04:51:46] <BePhantom> nothing like a good old fashioned stipper pole in your garage
[04:51:56] <BePhantom> stripper*
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[04:54:31] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic_GMsxyduY
[04:56:02] <JonathanThompson> Classic!
[04:58:13] <scanty> medication time!
[04:59:09] * JonathanThompson gives scanty his meds rectally
[04:59:29] <scanty> eew, no thanks.
[05:00:06] <BePhantom> i already had mine
[05:00:14] <BePhantom> not rectically tho
[05:00:15] <BePhantom> :D
[05:00:59] <BePhantom> rectally* :D
[05:01:54] <helf|laptop> night all
[05:02:20] <BePhantom> night helf
[05:07:13] <BePhantom> i found my old beos screenshots :)
[05:08:37] <BePhantom> http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/5710/superbeosphantom.jpg
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[05:22:52] <skar> ok, i have so many time trying please anybody here can give a little help with this?
[05:23:15] <skar> hibryd gcc4 gcc2 je
[05:23:24] <skar> i really want it
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[05:34:18] <mmadia42> i just realized BeOS R5 PE is listed in XOSL's screenshot : http://www.ranish.com/part/xosl.htm
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[07:59:17] <anarchos> hi
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[08:02:15] <BePhantom> smallville!
[08:03:59] <Maya-sama> kittens!
[08:04:00] <Maya-sama> :D
[08:04:41] <BePhantom> Maya-sama, you asian?
[08:04:54] <Maya-sama> nope, plain caucasian~
[08:05:11] <BePhantom> from the netherlands?
[08:05:19] * Maya-sama nods
[08:05:21] <Maya-sama> ^^
[08:05:32] <BePhantom> how's maxima doing? :D
[08:05:49] <Maya-sama> still alive, last time I heard~
[08:05:49] <Maya-sama> :P
[08:06:00] <BePhantom> i saw some kind of terrorist attack on the royal family, was it there?
[08:06:08] <Maya-sama> yeah, during queen's day
[08:06:16] <Maya-sama> but I wouldn't really call it a terrorist attack
[08:06:23] <BePhantom> was it a terrorist attack or just a drunken driver?
[08:06:32] <Maya-sama> it was one confused guy deciding to drive into a crowd of people
[08:06:38] <BePhantom> lol
[08:06:47] <Maya-sama> he could at most have scratched the bus the queen and such were in
[08:07:03] <Maya-sama> instead he drove a different direction and killed 5 people >.<
[08:07:04] <BePhantom> is this person alive?
[08:07:11] <Maya-sama> nope, he died from his injuries
[08:08:33] <BePhantom> i see, that guys must've been drunk or something
[08:08:37] <BePhantom> guy*
[08:09:58] <BePhantom> is maxima going to be your queen? :D
[08:10:06] <BePhantom> Maya-sama
[08:11:51] <Maya-sama> eventually, I guess
[08:12:02] * Maya-sama doesn't care much for royalty
[08:12:06] <Maya-sama> bloody leeches >.>
[08:12:07] <Maya-sama> ^-^
[08:12:24] <BePhantom> hehe
[08:13:11] <BePhantom> me neither don't worry
[08:13:58] <pyCube_> youd think these 'royal' people would feel like total assholes for claiming their entitlements and taking it all seriously
[08:14:32] <skar> haiku ruless!!!
[08:15:05] <skar> seriusly haiku rules, and we need an alfa :d
[08:15:27] <pyCube_> i prefer german cars
[08:15:39] <Maya-sama> :)
[08:15:51] * Maya-sama likes German cars too
[08:15:53] <Maya-sama> and japanese~
[08:15:53] <Teknomancer> morning all
[08:15:57] <Maya-sama> hi Teknomancer :)
[08:16:04] <Teknomancer> hi Maya-sama :)
[08:16:15] <BePhantom> i dont like japanese cars very much :P
[08:16:21] <Teknomancer> german cars ... hmm :(
[08:16:37] <Teknomancer> autobahn < 500 meters away, .. and I have no license.
[08:16:39] <Teknomancer> pfft
[08:16:41] <Maya-sama> :D
[08:16:48] <Maya-sama> it's a <100 km drive for me
[08:16:58] <BePhantom> i like french ones
[08:17:00] <BePhantom> :)
[08:17:00] <Maya-sama> and I have a license, but no car :(
[08:17:04] <Maya-sama> French cars are horrific @_@
[08:17:10] <BePhantom> not at all
[08:17:14] <Maya-sama> maintenance costs on them will ruin you
[08:17:22] <Maya-sama> rust and stuff will kill it before it's 8 years old
[08:17:27] <BePhantom> french cars are really good
[08:17:33] <Maya-sama> that's not what I have heard ^^
[08:17:50] <BePhantom> my father had 4 french cars, all very good
[08:18:34] <BePhantom> peugeot makes really awesome cars
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[08:19:07] * Maya-sama shrugs
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[08:19:15] <Maya-sama> perhaps they have improved over the years ^-^
[08:19:29] <Maya-sama> Renault has some really ugly cars, though
[08:19:40] <Maya-sama> like that one with the really strange back @_@
[08:19:57] <BePhantom> renault maybe, not peugeot, they make good cars since many years, from 404 backwards
[08:20:01] <pyCube_> and then theres citroen
[08:20:03] <pyCube_> ...
[08:20:21] <Maya-sama> citroen means 'lemon' in dutch :3~
[08:20:25] * Maya-sama giggles~
[08:20:31] <BePhantom> http://www.arcar.com.ar/fotos/vehiculos/5399-Peugeot-404-1968.jpg
[08:20:32] <Teknomancer> zitrone
[08:20:39] <Maya-sama> "what car did you buy?" "A lemon"
[08:20:40] <Maya-sama> :P
[08:21:02] <Maya-sama> old car~
[08:21:03] <Teknomancer> better than "what car did you buy?" "the pink one"
[08:21:07] <Teknomancer> :P
[08:21:10] * Maya-sama likes pink cars :(
[08:21:13] <Maya-sama> ^--^
[08:21:20] <Teknomancer> blasphemy
[08:21:38] <Teknomancer> i saw the "pinky" on the porsche museum a few weeks back
[08:21:48] <Teknomancer> it was the black sheep
[08:21:52] <Maya-sama> :D
[08:22:05] * Maya-sama wants a cute, colourful japanese car ^---^
[08:22:15] <BePhantom> well, citroen did a couple of nice cars in the past like 2cv http://s2.desktopmachine.com/pics/Citroen_2cv-09-1024.jpg
[08:22:28] <BePhantom> that was a really good car
[08:22:36] <BePhantom> you could fix it with anything
[08:22:53] <Maya-sama> yeah, you still see those around :)
[08:22:58] <Maya-sama> I think they're hideous, but hey~
[08:23:17] <Maya-sama> the van version is ugly too :3~
[08:23:28] <Maya-sama> supposedly they've got excellent suspension, though
[08:23:34] <BePhantom> well, ugly on the outside but is a really good car
[08:23:43] <Maya-sama> true :)
[08:24:17] <BePhantom> i think peugeot bought citroen and now they're making very nice looking cars
[08:24:26] <Maya-sama> :)
[08:24:37] * Maya-sama is mostly looking at hybrid/EV cars ^-^
[08:24:51] <Maya-sama> I want a plug-in hybrid, AKA EV with range extender :D
[08:24:58] <BePhantom> like C4 VTS http://www.citroenlavoiture.com.ar/imagenes/autosnuevos/c4/C4.jpg world rally champion
[08:25:57] <BePhantom> Sebastien Loeb drives the Citroen C4
[08:26:15] <BePhantom> great driver btw
[08:26:26] <Teknomancer> is that your real name?
[08:26:35] <Teknomancer> :P
[08:26:51] <Teknomancer> ah rally
[08:26:54] <BePhantom> :D i mean the rally world champion
[08:27:19] <Maya-sama> :)
[08:27:26] <BePhantom> i never talk in 3rd person when talking about me :D
[08:27:33] * Teknomancer prefers head on traffic driving :P
[08:27:49] <Maya-sama> ^-^;;
[08:29:15] <BePhantom> citroen improved a lot design-wise, renault got somewhat uglier :D
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[08:32:05] <BePhantom> Maya-sama, 405 and 205 both peugeot world rally champions
[08:32:08] <Maya-sama> 'somewhat'
[08:32:11] * Maya-sama coughs~
[08:32:24] <Maya-sama> I'd _die_ before I'd drive in a current model Renault @_@
[08:32:29] <BePhantom> they cant be that bad ;)
[08:32:40] <Maya-sama> seen a few really, really ugly ones
[08:32:47] <Maya-sama> as in, WTF were the designers smoking?!
[08:32:50] <Maya-sama> :P
[08:33:04] <BePhantom> 205 is beautiful imo
[08:33:23] <BePhantom> and 405
[08:34:01] <BePhantom> you may wanna check this in in HQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJsHlugRls4
[08:34:38] <BePhantom> that guy got some balls really
[08:36:04] <Maya-sama> hmm... renault seems to have stopped producing that one ugly car
[08:36:08] <Maya-sama> still see them driving around
[08:36:12] <Maya-sama> bloody eyesore @_@
[08:36:21] <Maya-sama> current models look fine ^-^
[08:36:22] <BePhantom> which one?
[08:36:32] <Maya-sama> trying to find it, can't remember what it's called
[08:37:42] <BePhantom> Maya-sama, check that video out, full screen HQ, it's worth it
[08:43:25] <Maya-sama> I guess it needs those big spoilers for that track :3
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[08:45:13] <BePhantom> i learned how to drive in one of those, 405
[08:47:20] <BePhantom> Maya-sama, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/Peugeot_405_T16_Pikes_Peak.jpg :D
[08:51:00] <Maya-sama> :)
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[08:59:10] <skar> haiku should como to give a hibryd version of the haiku image...believe in this
[08:59:36] <skar> really can help so much
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[11:00:52] <CIA-15> axeld * r30622 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/accelerants/common/dump_edid.c:
[11:00:52] <CIA-15> * Applied patch by Fredrik Holmqvist: improved EDID dump output.
[11:00:52] <CIA-15> * This closes ticket #3809.
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[11:13:09] <expensivelesbian> hello
[11:13:39] <expensivelesbian> does Haiku, in shape or other, support this Wireless card? (unlikely, I admit) "RT2561/RT61"
[11:14:02] <expensivelesbian> I'm looking at this, but I don't rightly know if this means it's supported, or not, http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/18804
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[12:01:27] <MrSunshine> most wireless cards are not supported that i know of, some has made it by implementing their own stack or something
[12:01:41] <MrSunshine> expensivelesbian, pcids is just to identify a card
[12:01:48] <MrSunshine> all hardware is in there, supported or not
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[12:29:20] <CIA-15> bonefish * r30623 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/app/Roster.cpp:
[12:29:20] <CIA-15> * BRoster::_TranslateRef(): Changed error handling style. No functional change.
[12:29:20] <CIA-15> * Automatic white space cleanup.
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[13:12:12] <CIA-15> bonefish * r30624 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/app/Roster.cpp:
[13:12:12] <CIA-15> * Renamed _SniffFile() to _GetFileType() and change its semantics slightly. It
[13:12:12] <CIA-15> does now try to get the file type from the given node info first.
[13:12:12] <CIA-15> * _TranslateRef(): Added special handling for executable files that aren't
[13:12:12] <CIA-15> applications and have a preferred application set. In such a case we return
[13:12:12] <CIA-15> the preferred application instead of the given file. This mimics BeOS
[13:12:16] <CIA-15> behavior.
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[13:27:24] <Carbamide> Good morning
[13:27:46] <Carbamide> It seems that the raw build from yesterday, when starting up, kernel panics
[13:27:50] <Carbamide> At least, for me.
[13:27:55] <Carbamide> Anyone else experience this?
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[13:40:33] <expensivelesbian> MrSunshine. Ok, thanks. There's a bebits/haikuware entry for a Patrick Larfaguette drive, so I'll ask about Haiku support on, probably, the bebits page. I think I've followed the install directions correctly, but perhaps my card isn't supported
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[15:19:50] <philcostin> oops, bonefish broke the build :)
[15:19:59] <mmu_man> eh
[15:20:11] <philcostin> src/kits/app/Roster.cpp:2163: implicit declaration of function `int _GetFileType(...)'
[15:20:24] <philcostin> src/kits/app/Roster.cpp:2348: no `status_t BRoster::_GetFileType(const entry_ref *, BNodeInfo *, char *) const' member function declared in class `BRoster'
[15:20:58] <mmadia> are you on the haiku-commits mailing list, philcostin ?
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[15:21:16] <philcostin> mmadia: not yet, although I probably should do so :P
[15:21:29] <philcostin> when I find a moment, that is
[15:22:03] <mmu_man> probably didn't commit the header
[15:22:23] <philcostin> yeah, it looks like that could be it
[15:22:34] * mmadia replies on philcostin's behalf
[15:22:46] <philcostin> thanks mmadia :)
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[15:24:35] <helf> heh
[15:24:42] <helf> deadyak really is a FF dork ;)
[15:24:55] <helf> vision thread = "the_spirits_within"
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[15:26:00] <DeadYak> helf: that one might've been kurros actually
[15:26:12] <helf> oh
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[15:26:37] <DeadYak> bear in mind I'm far from the only one who ever worked on that codebase, though I did most of it post 2001-ish
[15:27:48] <helf> oooh
[15:28:44] <DeadYak> in any case, that particular one is Vision's identd
[15:34:39] <CIA-15> bonefish * r30625 /haiku/trunk/headers/os/app/Roster.h: Should have been part of r30624: Renamed _SniffFile() to _GetFileType().
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[18:36:52] <gordonjcp> hello
[18:37:08] <gordonjcp> finally I have haiku running natively on my Thinkpad R50e
[18:37:10] <gordonjcp> ;-)
[18:37:24] <kirilla> congrats gordonjcp
[18:37:28] <mmadia> \0/
[18:37:36] <gordonjcp> I will blog this later ;-)
[18:37:41] <gordonjcp> bloody fast startup
[18:38:08] <gordonjcp> modulo the makebootable problem, it was less bother to install than Ubuntu ;-)
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[18:39:02] <gordonjcp> once I found makebootabletiny.c it was a doddle, and also I figured out why simply blatting it to a partition and running it from qemu didn't work for makebootable
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[18:40:18] <kirilla> Once we can distribute cd images or some kind of windows/linux executable "rawrite-haiku-2-usb" the makebootable issue will be no more.
[18:40:28] <gordonjcp> what state is wifi in, in current builds of haiku?
[18:40:30] <gordonjcp> kirilla: yeah
[18:40:38] <kirilla> no wifi yet, I think
[18:40:39] <gordonjcp> tbh it's not a biggie once you figure it out
[18:44:18] <mmadia> and some of us are working on improving the documentation on the website.
[18:48:23] <DeadYak> yes, wifi is currently nonexistent
[18:48:54] <DeadYak> someone's working on it, but...
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[19:17:07] <expensivelesbian> DeadTak who is working on Wifi? I keep seeing bounties and what not
[19:17:27] <expensivelesbian> sorry, DeadYeak...
[19:17:39] <expensivelesbian> jeez, my typing! DeadYak
[19:17:48] <DeadYak> Colin Guenther
[19:17:56] <mmadia> http://dev.osdrawer.net/projects/show/haiku-wifi
[19:17:57] <DeadYak> with some mentoring from Ithamar
[19:17:59] <DeadYak> yeah, that.
[19:18:06] <expensivelesbian> :-)
[19:18:07] <DeadYak> moving relatively slowly at the moment though
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[19:20:56] <Carbamide> Good day!
[19:21:08] <stpere> hi :)
[19:21:43] <Carbamide> How are you today stpere?
[19:23:06] <stpere> quite good, you?
[19:23:17] <stpere> I'm just back from dinner
[19:23:20] <stpere> delicious :)
[19:23:28] <Carbamide> Pretty good!  I just traded some guns for a really good deal
[19:23:36] <stpere> nice :)
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[19:42:34] <MrSunshine> DeadYak, know how far he has come with the porting ?
[19:42:39] <DeadYak> MrSunshine: not very?
[19:42:46] <DeadYak> MrSunshine: see for yourself, the svn history's there
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[19:45:26] <pyCube_> Carbamide: any carbines?
[19:46:56] <pyCube_> heh
[19:52:05] <Carbamide> I have a Ruger 10/22 carbine
[19:56:05] <pyCube_> mmm. 10/22 is one hell of a nice gun
[19:59:37] <gordonjcp> mh, gun hour
[19:59:42] <gordonjcp> I'll come back when it's car hour
[20:00:30] <stpere> gordonjcp: :)
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[20:20:41] <hisoka999> moin, does someone ever tried to port the gaming lib "guichan" to haiku/beos?
[20:21:02] <DeadYak> never even heard of it
[20:21:48] <hisoka999> its in gui lib for games and multimedia apps(using SDL)
[20:22:02] <mmadia> ports.haiku-files.org is most of the ported-software collection.
[20:22:27] <hisoka999> i looked there
[20:22:29] <mmadia> though, it's geared for developers and things are a bit messy at the moment.
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[20:24:45] <hisoka999> it seems that it does not like the old g++, so now i need think of compiling an gcc4 hakiu or trying to solve the problem :(
[20:25:16] <MrSunshine> hisoka999, the place where you can dwonload images of haiku has gcc4 images now
[20:26:20] <hisoka999> with software or without ==>gcc4,ff and co?
[20:26:59] <mmadia> it's a pre-alpha build.
[20:27:08] <mmadia> so most software's included.
[20:27:26] <mmadia> Wonderbrush, VLC, and a few other gcc2-only goodies aren't included.
[20:28:08] <hisoka999> is it possible to extend the size of the image, source code and libs aren't small
[20:29:11] <PulkoMandy> yes it is, look at build/jam/UserBuildConfig.ReadMe
[20:29:59] <hisoka999> yeh, i know that way, but i meen the pre compiled images
[20:30:35] <luroh> lly :)
[20:31:06] <sprma> how do I know, if a raw image / vmware image of haiku is gcc4?
[20:31:28] <hisoka999> the name says it ;)
[20:31:37] <HeTo> hisoka999: you can install from the image to somewhere else
[20:32:02] <HeTo> e.g. another virtual hard drive
[20:32:27] <mmadia> basically, if you dd the image to disk, you're stuck with the size of the file.
[20:32:53] <sprma> but in the listing at haiku-files.org there's no mention of gcc2/4 :-(
[20:33:08] <hisoka999> thanks HeTo
[20:33:36] <hisoka999> at the listing there stands the name gcc4 in the filename
[20:33:54] <PulkoMandy> if you just want to dl sources and that stuff, you can probably put t on a separate partition/image, anyways
[20:34:28] <mmadia> http://haiku-files.org/raw/index.php?ShowAll
[20:35:01] <sprma> D'oh.
[20:35:01] <mmadia> only gcc4 is marked as  "haiku-pre-alpha-gcc4-<revision>-<type>.zip"
[20:35:18] <sprma> I just looked at the May files.
[20:35:49] <sprma> *downloading*
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[20:44:06] <CIA-15> axeld * r30626 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/accelerants/common/dump_edid.c:
[20:44:06] <CIA-15> * Replaced remaining 'x' with '@' before the refresh rate, thanks Urias for
[20:44:06] <CIA-15> reporting.
[20:44:06] <CIA-15> * Minor cleanup.
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[21:00:59] <mmadia> aside from  -a, -q,  and -j#,  does our jam support any noteworthy options?
[21:02:31] <DeadYak> but that'd rarely be needed
[21:02:45] <DeadYak> = debug output about how it's evaluating deps
[21:03:02] <DeadYak> jam -h should list them for you
[21:03:10] <mmadia> nope.
[21:03:24] <mmadia> aarargh!
[21:03:25] <DeadYak> nope as in doesn't list?
[21:03:29] <mmadia> i was trieng --help
[21:04:04] <mmadia> '-h'
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[21:05:59] <CIA-15> korli * r30628 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/xres.cpp: fixes gcc4 warning
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[21:19:25] <BePhantom> is debian a good desktop os?
[21:19:47] <iMax_pp> Troll... :)
[21:19:58] <BePhantom> :P
[21:20:18] <iMax_pp> Debian stable is a good server os. :p
[21:20:32] <PulkoMandy> not as good as Haiku for desktop... but at least I have wifi ...
[21:21:13] <hisoka999> BePhantom, yes, but only if you know it, else you could try zevenOS, a ubuntu(debian) based distro with a bit of beos flair
[21:22:29] <hisoka999> and you have software, thats the worst part of beos/haiku, it fails in the basic part of an os(chicken-egg-problem)
[21:23:21] <BePhantom> did you try it?
[21:23:32] <hisoka999> yes
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[21:25:40] <BePhantom> i think i'll just stay with ubuntu :P beos like linux doesnt is no very appealing to me :D
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[21:25:53] <helf|laptop> beos like linux?
[21:25:56] <BePhantom> remove "doesnt*"
[21:26:07] <helf|laptop> oh god
[21:26:10] <helf|laptop> that zevenos thing
[21:26:13] <BePhantom> zevenos
[21:26:44] <mmadia> still in Haiku, helf|laptop ? :)
[21:26:56] <helf|laptop> dont have it running right now
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[21:28:17] <hisoka999> helf whats wrong? why the "oh god"?
[21:29:13] <DeadYak> hisoka999: those kinds of projects tend to completely miss the point
[21:29:39] <helf|laptop> yeah
[21:29:42] <helf|laptop> utterly miss it
[21:29:47] <iMax_pp> I don't think a linux distrib (and specially an Ubuntu-base one) can be as light Haiku...
[21:30:11] <BePhantom> i586 is 32 bit right?
[21:30:11] <HeTo> or as responsive, or has as good support for binary-only software
[21:30:15] <iMax_pp> s/Ubuntu-base/Ubuntu-based
[21:30:18] <hisoka999> it runs and its stable and the desktop is light, not as light as haiku but its near
[21:30:34] <DeadYak> hisoka999: putting a BeOS skin on something does not even remotely make it BeOS.
[21:30:51] <iMax_pp> DeadYak: I completely agree. :)
[21:30:55] <DeadYak> pretty much felt like any other linux distro to me anyways
[21:30:59] <hisoka999> thats true, thats why it is like it a bit
[21:31:08] <DeadYak> it's nothing like it
[21:31:14] <DeadYak> it looks a little bit like it, and that's all.
[21:32:32] <helf|laptop> a skin is a skin is a theme :P
[21:32:49] <hisoka999> not only
[21:33:51] <DeadYak> if you say so
[21:34:07] <BePhantom> why add a haiku skin to damn small linux and you're done :)
[21:34:23] <BePhantom> j/k
[21:34:32] <helf|laptop> ha
[21:34:48] <tqh> btw we need to add a linux skin to haiku and call it hinux :P
[21:35:00] <BePhantom> it's pretty fast btw, i wish it had a better desktop manager :D
[21:35:36] <hisoka999> the zevenos desktop manager isn't bad, it uses around 100MB of ram
[21:35:50] <BePhantom> tqh, well, skining in haiku is a matter of time :)
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[21:36:37] <gordonjcp> what's a typical workflow for hacking on Haiku?
[21:36:38] <BePhantom> hisoka999, does it use xfce?
[21:37:08] <hisoka999> a combination of sawfish and xfce
[21:37:10] <gordonjcp> do you do all the work in a host OS and build an image, or develop in Haiku natively?
[21:37:37] <mmadia> http://www.begroovy.com/wordpress/?p=699  : http://www.begroovy.com/wordpress/?p=699
[21:37:47] <mmadia> ahem,  * Haiku Google Summer of Code Interview with Smita Vijayakumar
[21:38:18] <Clay_> is this the first GSoC for Haiku??
[21:38:25] <mmadia> 3rd.
[21:38:29] <iMax_pp> gordonjcp: it depends on what you want to do.
[21:38:34] <Clay_> awesome
[21:38:36] <helf|laptop> anyways, a linux distro that looks like beos is blasphemous :P
[21:38:54] <gordonjcp> iMax_pp: well, initially I want to get my head around coding for Haiku
[21:38:54] <mmadia> several of our news sites are interviewing numerous students who applied,  both accepted and non-accepted students.
[21:38:57] <BePhantom> Clay_, no :)
[21:39:27] <gordonjcp> iMax_pp: then I expect I may try to come up with a couple of fixes for bugs in the ticketing system, and maybe port a simple app
[21:39:54] <gordonjcp> iMax_pp: ultimately I'd like to port some of my audio software across ;-)
[21:40:19] <iMax_pp> gordonjcp: to tackle some bugs you'll prefer working in a host OS.
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[21:40:48] <gordonjcp> iMax_pp: okay, and then what, build an image and boot in qemu?
[21:41:01] <mmadia> iMax_pp : not necessarily... it depends on the bug.
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[21:41:14] <iMax_pp> gordonjcp: yep and see.
[21:41:15] <hisoka999> i hate the dev tools of beos, there is nothing like a good ide and a big lack of good cross plattform libs, and developing an a vm is not very good
[21:41:17] <DeadYak> depends on whether the bug involves a component you can easily replace on the fly or not
[21:41:19] <mmadia> if it's a userland app, then developing Haiku within itself is tremendously useful.
[21:41:20] <iMax_pp> mmadia: indeed
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[21:42:06] <helf|laptop> cross platform libs?
[21:42:12] <helf|laptop> this is BEOS!
[21:42:19] <helf|laptop> no need for cross platform libraries
[21:42:26] <hisoka999> no cross libs no software
[21:42:30] <DeadYak> if all we wanted was half-assed ports from linux, we wouldn't be writing our own OS....
[21:42:46] <helf|laptop> hisoka999,  gimme a break
[21:43:34] <hisoka999> ok, than write everything by your self and with the native beapi, it will take a long time to get a good base set of software
[21:43:46] <helf|laptop> ok
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[21:43:48] <helf|laptop> :P
[21:43:59] <gordonjcp> okay, without wanting to provoke a flame war ;-)
[21:44:05] <Clay_> haha
[21:44:10] <gordonjcp> recommendations for an editor in Haiku?
[21:44:17] <helf|laptop> pedit
[21:44:19] <HeTo> vim
[21:44:19] <gordonjcp> currently I mostly use gedit for dev stuf
[21:44:24] <HeTo> (or gvim)
[21:44:30] <helf|laptop> isnt there emacs?
[21:44:33] * DeadYak likes Pe
[21:44:36] <hisoka999> i want a real IDE like komodo,eclipse and co
[21:44:38] <DeadYak> helf|laptop: yeah, mmu ported xemacs
[21:44:50] <DeadYak> eclipse makes me want to throw my monitors out the window
[21:44:51] <helf|laptop> DeadYak,  ah, cool
[21:44:54] <iMax_pp> there is an existing port of emacs ?
[21:45:00] * DeadYak plops mmu_laptop
[21:45:05] <gordonjcp> Pe, okay, pedit I can't find much on in google
[21:45:12] <mmadia> hisoka999 : Haiku *is* open source.
[21:45:17] <gordonjcp> eclipse I won't even have on my machine
[21:45:30] <mmadia> so, you could either stop whining and get busy.
[21:45:31] <DeadYak> gordonjcp: Pe's one of the optional packages in the build sys if you're building your own image
[21:45:38] <gordonjcp> okay
[21:45:47] <gordonjcp> w00t, my build just finished
[21:46:05] <HeTo> mmadia: porting a cross-platform library wouldn't even require Haiku to be open-source
[21:46:28] <gordonjcp> DeadYak: can you point me at the docs for doing that?
[21:46:56] <BePhantom> this is heating up
[21:46:57] <mmadia> HeTo : true, but being open-source, it'd allow for tighter integration :)
[21:46:57] <DeadYak> gordonjcp: edit build/jam/UserBuildConfig and add a line like "AddOptionalHaikuImagePackages Pe ;"
[21:47:04] <hisoka999> mmadia, i can not do thousend things at once, and i have a live, so great ports like komodo are not in my timespan
[21:47:26] <DeadYak> gordonjcp: see build/jam/UserBuildConfig.ReadMe for other examples of what you can set up
[21:47:34] * BePhantom goes and gets some popcorn to enjoy the flaming
[21:47:37] <DeadYak> gordonjcp: build/jam/OptionalPackages has the entire optional package list
[21:47:45] <helf|laptop> BePhantom,  can you get me some twizzlers?
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[21:47:53] <mmadia> hisoka999 : ok, but out right complaining has very little to no positive impact upon a project.
[21:48:09] <gordonjcp> DeadYak: sweet
[21:48:17] <stpere> helf|laptop: you know the joke about that guy that was asking a beer to his wife?
[21:48:35] <helf|laptop> not sure
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[21:49:28] <BePhantom> helf, we don't have twizzlers in my country
[21:49:32] <helf|laptop> D:
[21:49:35] <helf|laptop> D:
[21:49:41] <helf|laptop> really?
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[21:49:44] <ulterior_modem> thats so sad
[21:49:49] <helf|laptop> how... what do you eat at movies?!?!
[21:49:51] <Clay_> how can you live
[21:49:51] <ulterior_modem> no twizzlers?
[21:49:53] <stpere> the guys is there : Can you bring me a beer before it starts?, the woman brings the beer, sigh.. the guy finishes his beer and ask for an other one before it starts.. the woman brings the beer and begins to rant : Can you tell me at least what is going to start, I'm not your slave... the guy : Sigh.. it's starting
[21:50:13] <helf|laptop> lol
[21:50:18] <helf|laptop> yeah, heard that one :P
[21:50:22] <hisoka999> mmadia, no it is critisism, its not very good to see people whining about not having software and not wanting a compromise of using something like a cross lib
[21:50:33] <BePhantom> lol, can i buy some at amazon? :P
[21:50:39] <helf|laptop> BePhantom,  maybe
[21:50:44] <helf|laptop> BePhantom,  ill mail you a box :P
[21:50:46] <CIA-15> axeld * r30629 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/charactermap/ (CharacterView.cpp CharacterView.h CharacterWindow.cpp):
[21:50:46] <CIA-15> * Reverted r30529 as this was pretty much bogus (sorry stpere, but the size of
[21:50:46] <CIA-15> the window was already set with its constructor).
[21:50:46] <CIA-15> * Fixed the actual cause of bug #3752 instead: the fCharacterHeight and
[21:50:46] <CIA-15> fTitleHeight members were not initialized when MinSize() was called.
[21:50:59] <BePhantom> :D
[21:51:07] <helf|laptop> where are you located?
[21:51:18] <BePhantom> argentina :P
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[21:51:25] <helf|laptop> im seriously going to mail you a box
[21:51:37] <BePhantom> lol really?
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[21:52:08] <helf|laptop> you must know the joy that are twizzlers
[21:52:44] <BePhantom> we don't have those here, we do have M&M
[21:52:49] <BePhantom> snickers
[21:52:50] <Clay_> nibs?
[21:52:53] <Clay_> do you have nibs?
[21:53:00] <DeadYak> hisoka999: who was whining about not having software?
[21:53:02] <BePhantom> no
[21:53:41] <Clay_> D8
[21:53:51] <hisoka999> nearly every BeOS,Zeta user i have seen
[21:54:01] <DeadYak> helf|laptop: I find Twizzlers overrated personally
[21:54:09] * helf|laptop smacks DeadYak
[21:54:11] <helf|laptop> silence
[21:54:12] <DeadYak> hisoka999: if you say so
[21:54:17] <helf|laptop> 'll anger the twizzler gobs
[21:54:39] <gordonjcp> schweet
[21:54:43] <helf|laptop> hisoka999, I've never seen many people, other than wanting a good browser :P
[21:54:49] <BePhantom> we have toblerones too :)
[21:54:56] <gordonjcp> I just built and ran my own haiku image :-D
[21:55:01] <Clay_> toblerones are greatness
[21:55:04] <DeadYak> I find I got most of that kind of whining from the people that downloaded BeOS and were then expecting to just use their usual set of linux/X software without even trying to look into alternatives
[21:55:09] <helf|laptop> those are great
[21:55:15] <DeadYak> Clay_: mm...toblerones
[21:55:22] <helf|laptop> good stuf ^_^
[21:55:33] <Clay_> i get one every year at xmas.. its gone before the day is over :(
[21:55:58] <hisoka999> helf, many want a good ide, other ones other software and firefox is a good browser but the haiku version is not very stable compared to the linux/windows version
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[21:56:05] <BePhantom> we dont have twinkees (was that its name? the thing is supposed to survive a nuclear blast)
[21:56:10] <DeadYak> damn it, now I want to go across the street and get a toblerone
[21:56:19] <DeadYak> hisoka999: could have fooled me, I've had Firefox running in Haiku for days on end
[21:56:19] <helf|laptop> twinkies
[21:56:19] <helf|laptop> heh
[21:56:29] <DeadYak> on the other hand I've had Flash crash linux FF quite regularly
[21:56:41] <helf|laptop> hisoka999,  huh, i havent had issues with it. and it was more responsive than FF on windows for me
[21:57:03] <BePhantom> are twinkies good?
[21:57:13] <DeadYak> BePhantom: yes.
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[21:57:15] <hisoka999> not the actual version of flash, the version 10 is stable and faster
[21:57:20] <Clay_> man. considering that the haiku os itself is still ALPHA, asking for a good IDE and a whole bunch of software is asking a lot
[21:57:30] <BePhantom> I'm so going to the stateslol
[21:57:45] <helf|laptop> i love twinkies
[21:58:02] <hisoka999> Clay_, a good ide is important to get devs developing software for hiku
[21:58:04] <hisoka999> +a
[21:58:06] <helf|laptop> BePhantom,  pmsg me your address and ill send you a care package. lol
[21:58:17] <DeadYak> hisoka999: that's assuming you think Eclipse is a good IDE
[21:58:19] <DeadYak> imo it's garbage
[21:58:31] <helf|laptop> itll get an IDE eventually
[21:58:31] <BePhantom> helf lol a survivor kit :D
[21:58:34] <hisoka999> you never used eclipse right?
[21:58:38] <DeadYak> hisoka999: want to bet?
[21:58:44] <Clay_> hisoka999: yes, software is important, but since its an alpha OS, a good IDE is still a ways away on the list of importance
[21:58:49] <DeadYak> hisoka999: I've done far too much java to not be forced to use eclipse
[21:58:50] <DeadYak> hisoka999: it sucks.
[21:58:58] <DeadYak> huge and slow as hell
[21:59:09] * philcostin wades in..
[21:59:15] <Clay_> DeadYak: can't be any worse than netbeans :)
[21:59:15] <philcostin> Eclipse is horrible
[21:59:24] <philcostin> too big
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[21:59:46] <philcostin> netbeans is a cute idea but who uses it? again it's big
[21:59:50] <hisoka999> not as horrible as the beos ones, and the speed is better than netbeans
[22:00:03] <BePhantom> helf|laptop i really appreciate but dont spend money on that :D
[22:00:09] <philcostin> vi for the win.
[22:00:19] <DeadYak> hisoka999: if you say so, the only IDE I've used that didn't completely suck was Visual Studio. I'm much happier with a smart syntax editor + makefiles personally
[22:00:49] <Ingenu> Code Blocks seemed fair last time I tried it
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[22:01:02] <helf|laptop> like Pe :)
[22:01:03] <geist> mmmm Source Insight
[22:01:09] * helf|laptop adores notepad++ in windows
[22:01:16] <helf|laptop> BePhantom,  if you insist :P
[22:02:25] <hisoka999> DeadYak, a could ide provides more than an editor and a makefile engine, i hate to work with an editor in a project with 500.000 lines of code and more
[22:02:28] <BePhantom> so, starbucks opened the first franchise in my country, should i go and try a latte?
[22:02:55] <DeadYak> hisoka999: please stop presuming that I've never used an IDE. I'm well aware of what they provide.
[22:03:06] <DeadYak> hisoka999: bottom line is, not everybody agrees with you that they're the best thing ever.
[22:03:18] <Clay_> if you need an IDE so bad, you're welcome to make one
[22:03:29] <DeadYak> most of them get in my way more than they help, especially when they're like Eclipse and force half the OS into swap while you're trying to use it
[22:03:31] <Clay_> dont come here and demand someone makes it for you
[22:03:35] <helf|laptop> BePhantom,  unless their coffee has improved, no.
[22:03:43] <helf|laptop> it always has this nasty burnt taste to me
[22:03:46] <helf|laptop> and its too expensive
[22:03:54] <helf|laptop> and itll be full of douche bags with apple laptops :P
[22:04:03] <helf|laptop> (nothing against apple laptops ;))
[22:04:10] <BePhantom> helf|laptop lol
[22:04:16] * Clay_ hides is macbook
[22:04:32] * helf|laptop hides his osx powered mini 9
[22:04:37] <Clay_> haha
[22:05:15] <Ingenu> ^^
[22:05:15] <pyCube_> helf|laptop: that burnt taste isnt tartbucks coffee so much as it is poorly/not-at-all trained people that dont care to begin with that are making the coffee
[22:05:22] <BePhantom> will wait then till prices drop :P
[22:05:23] <pyCube_> um.. starbucks
[22:05:26] <helf|laptop> pyCube,  oh
[22:05:28] <hisoka999> Clay_, and IDE is a big project, not everyone has time for that, and its only a wish from me and many other users, not every one likes to use something like Pe
[22:05:30] <helf|laptop> tartbucks.. heh
[22:05:46] <helf|laptop> pyCube,  every single one ive ever had coffee from has sucked, imo
[22:05:48] <DeadYak> pyCube_: yeah, starbucks for me varies a lot by who's manning the wheel
[22:05:51] <Ingenu> StarBuck = BattleStar Galactica ^^
[22:05:54] <Clay_> hisoka999: well until someone has the time to make one, you're welcome to use any of the other editors that have been suggested here.
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[22:06:00] <helf|laptop> Ingenu,  hehe
[22:06:16] <DeadYak> helf|laptop: it's gone down big time in recent years, I've noticed it tends to be better at the ones where the baristas aren't a bunch of teenagers who couldn't care less about their job
[22:06:27] <philcostin> I think there's always a little more viability to being a fanboy of an OS that it's possible to work on yourself rather than one you bought :P :)
[22:06:31] <helf|laptop> hrm
[22:07:09] <BePhantom> i may go and try one for the first time and decide for myself helf|laptop
[22:07:33] <helf|laptop> BePhantom,  you may get lucky :)
[22:07:34] <helf|laptop> good luck
[22:07:40] <BePhantom> but yeah, if it's like macdonnalds it should be very expensive
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[22:08:12] <hisoka999> Clay_, like i said, i hate to write software with an editor like the many beos user hate it to use non fully native software
[22:08:38] <Clay_> hisoka999: well those are your options. suck it up.
[22:09:15] <Ingenu> use Windows and Visual Studio Express... the OS is prohibitive, but the IDE is free ^^ ;)
[22:09:55] <helf|laptop> wait
[22:09:58] * BePhantom slaps Ingenu
[22:09:59] <helf|laptop> McDonalds = expensive?
[22:10:00] <BePhantom> :D
[22:10:14] <BePhantom> helf|laptop very much, yes
[22:10:17] <helf|laptop> wow
[22:10:21] <helf|laptop> its dirt here
[22:10:22] <glootech> helf|laptop, in some countries, mcdonalds is quite expensive
[22:10:29] <glootech> in poland for example ;)
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[22:10:36] <Clay_> helf|laptop: yeah, even here in Canada its more expensive than the US
[22:10:41] <Ingenu> not expensive here, but way cheaper in the US
[22:10:43] <hisoka999> no, i am not a great fan of windows, so i don't use it at home, there are IDEs i like more(Code::Blocks for C++)
[22:10:46] <helf|laptop> wow
[22:10:54] <pfoetchen> in poland it was incredibly cheap ( compared to germany ;) )
[22:10:55] <BePhantom> helf|laptop macdonnalds here is for middle to upper class, it's expensive
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[22:11:08] <helf|laptop> wow
[22:11:11] <helf|laptop> ... wow
[22:11:14] <helf|laptop> its like in demolishion man
[22:11:22] <glootech> pfoetchen, yeah, if you earn your money in euro, it's cheap ;)
[22:11:25] <helf|laptop> where taco bell is THE place :P
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[22:11:27] <BePhantom> lol taco bell :P
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[22:11:40] <helf|laptop> demolition
[22:11:45] <glootech> but if you earn your salary in polish zlotys... you know ;)
[22:11:46] <pfoetchen> ok I was in poland in pre euro times ;)
[22:12:10] * helf|laptop is having culture shock via IRC
[22:12:18] <hisoka999> lol
[22:12:35] <Ingenu> pizza hut won the fast food war, there are only Pizza Hut restaurant now
[22:12:41] <Ingenu> (from Demolition Man)
[22:12:41] <BePhantom> helf|laptop with the money you spend in a combo you can buy a large pizza and a beer
[22:12:42] <helf|laptop> heh
[22:12:49] <helf|laptop> jeez :P
[22:12:52] <aurynn> Ingenu, Taco Bell, actually'
[22:12:53] <aurynn> :P
[22:13:05] <helf|laptop> a hamburger + fries + drink is like $4
[22:13:09] <Ingenu> mmmmh
[22:13:14] <helf|laptop> a large pizza is $5 -15
[22:13:29] <helf|laptop> depending on the place
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[22:13:40] <pfoetchen> mcdonalds is not so expensive in germany but not realy cheap
[22:13:55] <hisoka999> hamburger + fries + drink  = 3€ (germany)
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[22:14:08] <helf|laptop> it's funny the things you never think about... who'da thought that these places would be so expensive in other countries :P
[22:14:13] <hisoka999> so its the same as in the usa
[22:14:24] <MrSunshine> i wouldnt pay a cent for mcdonalds food
[22:14:25] <DeadYak> helf|laptop: McD's in switzerland was ridiculously expensive
[22:14:40] <helf|laptop> hisoka999,  cool
[22:15:02] <Lelldorin1> nabend
[22:15:02] <BePhantom> 6 dollars for hamburger + medium fries and drink here
[22:15:04] <helf|laptop> that is just so weird :P
[22:15:04] <Lelldorin1> hi all
[22:15:07] <pyCube_> i liked ordering beer at mcdonalds
[22:15:09] <hisoka999> hi Lelldorin1
[22:15:11] <helf|laptop> heh
[22:15:14] <helf|laptop> hi Lelldorin1
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[22:15:31] * helf|laptop isnt a huge fan of mcds
[22:15:58] <BePhantom> do mcdonalds sell beer?
[22:16:01] <BePhantom> :P
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[22:16:03] <pfoetchen> yep
[22:16:05] <Ingenu> yep
[22:16:09] <Clay_> damn
[22:16:09] * hisoka999 don't like mcds eather
[22:16:12] <BePhantom> really?
[22:16:12] <Clay_> that would be awesome
[22:16:17] <Ingenu> yep
[22:16:19] <BePhantom> that's shocking
[22:16:22] <geist> mcds outside of the US is somewhat better in a lot of cases
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[22:16:32] <pyCube_> best thing about mcd in europe is that the icecream sundays come in an edible cup instead of plastic
[22:16:33] <geist> it's really the lowest common denominator in the US
[22:16:39] <BePhantom> i can't believe mcdonalds sell beer
[22:16:42] <philcostin> they're the lowest common denominator in England
[22:16:49] <Ingenu> pyCube, herm no
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[22:16:59] <Ingenu> the Sundays are in a plastic cup
[22:17:00] <geist> yeah but you guys are just americans with bad teeth
[22:17:04] <geist> that doesn't count
[22:17:05] <Clay_> haha
[22:17:06] <Ingenu> but there's another ice cream in an edible one
[22:17:09] <gordonjcp> philcostin: they're pretty much the lowest common denominator in Scotland too
[22:17:21] <philcostin> either that or americans are just Europeans with /good/ teeth :)
[22:17:22] <gordonjcp> if you want a burger, get a pub lunch
[22:17:52] <pyCube_> Ingenu: i see..
[22:17:53] <hisoka999> if you want a burger, make one ;)
[22:17:53] <BePhantom> here mcdonalds sells only soft drinks
[22:17:54] <geist> mmm pub lunch
[22:18:07] <Clay_> BePhantom: same here
[22:18:17] <pyCube_> i mainly used mcdonalds as a free restroom while in eastern europe
[22:18:20] <hisoka999> BePhantom, same here
[22:18:27] <Ingenu> mmh
[22:18:33] <BePhantom> hisoka999, kill a cow and bake it :D
[22:18:39] <geist> i saw a bunch of the nice mccafes with coffee and whatnot in Korea a couple weeks ago
[22:18:44] <geist> though i think no alcohol
[22:18:47] <pfoetchen> the restrooms are note always free we had to pay in kopenhagen
[22:19:10] <hisoka999> BePhantom, a good idea ;)
[22:19:20] <geist> but as far as i can tell koreans drink more coffee than we do. there are coffee shops every 10 feet
[22:19:28] <geist> er, approx 3 meters
[22:19:39] <hisoka999> o_o
[22:19:44] <BePhantom> pyCube_ does mcdonalds allow you to use their restroom without buying anything?
[22:19:53] <gordonjcp> BePhantom: the ones here do
[22:19:53] <helf|laptop> heh
[22:20:03] <gordonjcp> BePhantom: or at least, I've not had any hassle when I've done so
[22:20:03] <helf|laptop> yeah, do here
[22:20:22] <pyCube_> BePhantom: it did in prague back in the mid 90's.. other places too
[22:20:22] <BePhantom> cool :)
[22:20:43] <BePhantom> it's probably the same here, but i always bought something :P
[22:21:17] <mmadia> pfoetchen ?
[22:21:28] <mmadia> mmu_laptop ?
[22:21:29] <pyCube_> geist: in korea for fun?
[22:21:47] <pfoetchen> mmadia: yes?
[22:22:00] <mmadia> have you and mmu_laptop decided about the beagleboards?
[22:22:47] <pfoetchen> not realy
[22:22:55] <BePhantom> it reminds me of this pyCube_ http://www.theonion.com/content/radio_news/local_man_buys_ford_focus
[22:23:23] <BePhantom> "Local man buys a ford focus just to use dealer's menr's room"
[22:23:29] <BePhantom> lol
[22:23:51] <HeTo> no download?
[22:23:59] <mmadia> pfoetchen , could you and he decide sooner than later? :)
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[22:24:31] <Hugen_> hey
[22:24:33] <mmadia> shipping the device will take some time and who knows what other issues may crop up before that.
[22:24:41] <mmu_laptop> mmadia ?
[22:24:59] <mmadia> mmu_laptop : what's the word on targeting beagleboard vs. something else?
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[22:25:55] <pfoetchen> I think the beagleboard is the best solution
[22:26:59] <pfoetchen> since most new netbooks/mediaplayers etc. will use similar processors ... the gumstix might be an idea, too
[22:27:49] <mmu_laptop> yeah I suppose it's the most known board
[22:28:21] <mmadia> could you guys take a few minutes to decide which accessories you definitely need and those that you would like ?
[22:28:24] <Carbamide> Is there an oline guide to building haiku?
[22:28:34] <pfoetchen> and gumstix is more expensive beacuse we would have to get an expansion board..
[22:28:38] <Carbamide> I'm checking the source out now
[22:28:39] <mmadia> Carbamide : from which OS?
[22:28:46] <Carbamide> ubuntu linux
[22:28:58] <gordonjcp> Carbamide: yes, there is
[22:29:00] <mmadia> pfoetchen : well, don't let the price be the sole determining factor.
[22:29:18] <gordonjcp> Carbamide: what did you google for?
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[22:29:37] <mmadia> Carbamide : http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/haiku/haiku/trunk/docs/userguide/en/installation/install-source-linux.html
[22:29:39] <pfoetchen> for the beagleboard I would need an DB9M to IDC10F  and the acrylic case
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[22:29:59] <Carbamide> Duh.  I just asked here before I googled.  Sorry, it was the first in the google listings
[22:30:08] <gordonjcp> Carbamide: ;-)
[22:30:15] <gordonjcp> Carbamide: and it works, too.  I've just done it.
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[22:30:18] <geist> pfoetchen: dont forget the new gumstix
[22:30:26] <geist> more expensive with the adaptor board,but it has real ethernet
[22:30:36] <geist> and real working host usb
[22:31:00] <pfoetchen> yep ethernet could be quite usefull
[22:31:41] <helf|laptop> you know someones head is rolling when you see this
[22:31:45] <helf|laptop> *flood warning*
[22:31:47] <helf|laptop> Attention:
[22:31:48] <helf|laptop>  Due to extensive water damage, the main branch of the Gadsden Public
[22:31:48] <helf|laptop> Library, located at 254 College Street, is closed until further
[22:31:48] <helf|laptop> notice. All scheduled programming has been postponed until a future
[22:31:50] <helf|laptop> date (TBA). Patrons may continue to return library materials at our
[22:31:52] <helf|laptop> book drop (located to the right of the front doors of our College
[22:31:54] <helf|laptop> Street location), or at either of our Alabama City and East Gadsden
[22:31:56] <helf|laptop> branches, both of which will remain open for regular business hours.
[22:32:00] <helf|laptop> We apologize for any inconvenience.
[22:32:06] <geist> also, there's a bit of Be-like dna in the new gumstix for omap3
[22:32:11] <geist> Sakoman worked on it
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[22:32:19] <helf|laptop> gumstix?
[22:32:33] <mmadia> an ultra-small ARM platform.
[22:32:39] <pfoetchen> http://www.gumstix.com
[22:32:41] <helf|laptop> oh neat
[22:32:42] <mmadia> literally the size of gum.
[22:32:50] <geist> normally the quality of those wasn't great
[22:32:54] <helf|laptop> kinda like that "server in an outlet" thing :P
[22:33:03] <geist> but apparently sakoman came in and sort of contracted on the omap3 based ones
[22:33:13] <geist> and it was put together much better than the previous versions
[22:33:25] <helf|laptop> nice
[22:33:27] <geist> he has some sort of business where he needed those things, so it was sort of a trade of time
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[22:34:50] <geist> biggest problem for me with the beagleboard is 1) no ethernet and 2) host usb doesn't work so you have to use the OTG controller, which sucks
[22:34:55] <philcostin> PANIC: did not find any boot partitions! (haiku-cd in vmware)
[22:34:59] <geist> #2 is going to be fixed Any Day Now
[22:35:06] <geist> with a new revision of the board, of course
[22:35:48] <geist> so generally i've been favoring the much older osk5912 board i have (omap1, arm926)
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[22:35:56] <geist> but it's too old to run something as large as haiku
[22:35:56] <pfoetchen> usb host is fixed in revision C2 afaik
[22:36:06] <geist> pfoetchen: have they released it yet?
[22:36:10] <geist> mine is an old B rev
[22:36:17] <hisoka999> i saw some wlan drivers on haikuware, do they run under haiku? i would like to use my intel wlan chip under haiku ;)
[22:36:32] <pfoetchen> don't know if it's released yet...
[22:36:36] <geist> exactly
[22:36:43] <geist> it has been almost released for like 6 months now
[22:36:50] <geist> i got a little impatient and kind of gave up on beagleboard
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[22:37:14] <mmadia> so, which gumstix would you suggest geist ?
[22:37:16] <geist> of course i'm not really stressing over it, since i work with omap3s all day long (palm pre is an omap3)
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[22:37:41] <geist> mmadia: the Overo definitely, it's the same cpu as beagle
[22:37:54] <geist> and then there's an addon card that breaks out all the fun connectors that makes it useful
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[22:38:51] <geist> anyhoo, gotta go
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[22:39:26] <aljen> hey
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[22:39:48] <mmadia> hey aljen
[22:39:55] <pfoetchen> on digikey they say the beagleboard is revision C
[22:40:12] <pfoetchen> but I don't know if C==C2
[22:41:03] <aljen> hey mmadia :)
[22:43:40] <pfoetchen> but gumstix would be quite cool, too... hm difficult... the beagleboard has the advantage that more people have it...
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[22:44:43] <pfoetchen> but the gumstix has ethernet (so booting from net should work) and working usb...
[22:45:13] <pfoetchen> and less ram but I don't think thats a problem yet
[22:45:37] <DeadYak> pfoetchen: I suspect that if you got it running on the gumstix, making it compatible with the beagleboard would be trivial afterwards
[22:45:38] <mmadia> the Overo's have 256mb... what's the beagleboard have?
[22:45:53] <aljen> DeadYak, hey :)
[22:45:56] <DeadYak> aljen: hiya :)
[22:46:06] <pfoetchen> 512 the newer one afaik
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[22:49:21] <mmadia> what' the difference between the Earth, Water, Air, and Fire versions of Gumstix Overo ?
[22:50:07] <DeadYak> Gumstix was made by alchemists? :)
[22:50:34] <mmadia> with automail for an arm and leg ;)
[22:50:41] * BePhantom wants a F14 Tomcat
[22:51:46] <BePhantom> doing groceries with a tomcat, now that would be cool
[22:52:02] <helf|laptop> lol
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[22:53:57] <pfoetchen> the overo water and fire have the omap 3530 processor with 3d acceleration on stuff the other ones not
[22:54:18] <gordonjcp> right
[22:54:39] <gordonjcp> gcc4 or gcc2?  I have no real plans for running "original" BeOS software
[22:54:57] <mmadia> gordonjcp : do you need VLC,  Wonderbrush?
[22:55:05] <gordonjcp> nope
[22:55:06] <pfoetchen> the water does not have bluetooth and wlan the fire has
[22:55:10] <BePhantom> sorry, im watching a documentary in NatGeo on aircraft carriers :D
[22:55:39] <gordonjcp> BePhantom: the Buccaneer was an interesting carrier-based aircraft
[22:55:51] <gordonjcp> had to take off with 5 minutes of fuel on board, otherwise it would end up in the drink
[22:56:14] <gordonjcp> inflight refuelling at the very start of a sortie
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[22:56:45] <BePhantom> gordonjcp, really? i dont know that one, I'm more into WW2 planes :D
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[22:57:25] <mmadia> pfoetchen , mmu_laptop : since the gumstix have working usb + wired ethernet, are there any reasons not to use it?
[22:57:46] <mmadia> aside from having half the memory.  256mb vs 512.
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[23:02:04] <pfoetchen> the only reason against the gumstix is that the beagleboard is more common than the gumstix but porting from one to another should not be so difficult
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[23:02:32] <brunobratwurst> hello all
[23:03:04] <brunobratwurst> Is there a shortcut for the terminal in HAIKU?
[23:03:14] <mmu_laptop> sorry I'm following again this clueless HADOPI debate...
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[23:03:33] <DeadYak> brunobratwurst: depends, you could add it to LaunchBox
[23:03:41] <mmu_laptop> brunobratwurst usually in BeOS there is a Opt-Alt-T or Opt-Alt-S addon in Tracker but it's not in yet
[23:03:44] <DeadYak> brunobratwurst: opt+cmd+T in Vision will open one.
[23:03:57] <mmu_laptop> or Ctrl-Alt-Del and Ctrl-Alt-T
[23:03:58] <DeadYak> cmd+n in a terminal will open another term window
[23:04:24] <brunobratwurst> ah ok I will try thx
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[23:05:01] <brunobratwurst> Ctrl-Alt same as AltGR?
[23:06:02] <brunobratwurst> what is HADOPI?
[23:07:08] <brunobratwurst> but it is still not implemented?
[23:07:20] <brunobratwurst> In HAIKU?
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[23:09:31] <PulkoMandy> +++
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[23:10:22] <brunobratwurst> Where to find a vendor id and ahardware ID in Windows?
[23:11:22] <brunobratwurst> How many people are actually online right now?
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[23:14:42] <BePhantom> millions
[23:14:54] <BePhantom> how could i know? :P
[23:14:57] * pfoetchen is online
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[23:19:10] <gordonjcp> just too busy to answer a stream of badly-worded questions
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[23:23:43] <gordonjcp> man, if I could get Django and a tabbed editor running in Haiku, then it would pretty much be everything I need on my laptop
[23:23:47] <brunobratwurst> No shortcut for the terminal yet, in HAIKU
[23:24:28] <gordonjcp> brunobratwurst: you could add one easily enough
[23:25:00] <brunobratwurst> never tried, how to?
[23:25:04] <DeadYak> you could grab SpicyKeys from bebits
[23:25:05] <DeadYak> and use that
[23:25:13] <DeadYak> would let you set up shortcuts for far more than just terminal
[23:25:17] <DeadYak> assuming you mean keyboard shortcuts
[23:25:38] <brunobratwurst> ah ok I understand will do that thx...
[23:25:48] <brunobratwurst> yes
[23:26:32] <DeadYak> and dammit, your nick is making me hungry
[23:26:41] <brunobratwurst> would it be good for the common user to just use a simple shortcut for the terminal than serching for a app to do this job?
[23:27:10] <DeadYak> I dunno, most people I know don't even think of trying to use the keyboard for that
[23:27:22] <DeadYak> terminal's not really an app an average user should need often anyways
[23:27:24] <BePhantom> brunobratwurst, haiku is not yet ready for the regular desktop user
[23:27:25] <DeadYak> or if they do, we've failed
[23:27:34] <gordonjcp> DeadYak: yeah, sausage ftw
[23:27:54] <gordonjcp> I am slowly winning the battle against swine flu
[23:27:58] <gordonjcp> one sausage at a time...
[23:28:28] <brunobratwurst> yes ok you are right...
[23:28:59] <DeadYak> there's still some ongoing discussion about providing some mechanism for hotkey shortcuts though
[23:29:06] <DeadYak> we'll see
[23:29:10] <brunobratwurst> but I for myself have to open the terminal quit often, even I am not a skilled user...
[23:29:17] <DeadYak> still tons of other things to do haiku-wise that are a bit more important :)
[23:29:36] <helf|laptop> anyone want to buy a geforce 9600 gt pci video card with 1gb vram, vga, svid, dvi out?
[23:29:40] <brunobratwurst> yes you are right,
[23:29:41] <helf|laptop> low profile, too
[23:29:45] <helf|laptop> and passively cooled
[23:29:46] <helf|laptop> :P
[23:29:48] <brunobratwurst> just a question
[23:29:49] <helf|laptop> the best pci card evar
[23:30:07] <DeadYak> brunobratwurst: no problem, just answering :)
[23:30:19] <brunobratwurst> ok, thx...
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[23:33:51] <BePhantom> helf, that one sounds nice
[23:34:04] <BePhantom> how much does it cost?
[23:34:56] <BePhantom> helf|laptop
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[23:48:46] <brunobratwurst> spicey keys is working as expected
[23:49:00] <brunobratwurst> like a charm, wonderful ....
[23:50:22] <mmadia> pfoetchen : any idea if the gumstix has rs232 support?
[23:51:04] <pfoetchen> it certanly has a serial port but I will have to look for rs232
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[23:53:15] <mmadia> what serial port does it have, pfoetchen?
[23:55:06] <pfoetchen> it has the normal rx/tx port but on the expansion board it has an usb-console so no need for an extra rs232 adapter ;) one thing less on my desk ;)
[23:56:41] <mmadia> what's the usb-console?
[23:57:00] <mmadia> basically, my concern is being able to use serial debugging with it ):
[23:57:54] <pfoetchen> usb-console means that you can simply atach your computer to it and it apears as aditional serial port used only to talk to the board
[23:58:08] <pfoetchen> ore or less a build in rs232 to usb converter ;)
[23:58:29] <mmu_laptop> re
[23:58:35] <mmu_laptop> so ? beaglegum ?
[23:58:49] <mmadia> geist was mentioning the gumstix
[23:59:07] <mmadia> here's the edited chat log : http://haiku.pastebin.com/f5da1eeb3
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