[00:00:13] <mmu_man> mostly yes, this afternoon
[00:00:27] <mmu_man> now it's suspended till 0:59
[00:00:36] <mmu_man> the qorum was not met
[00:01:22] <dr_evil> just 10 more hours of work, with an additional 45 min pause, and then it'll be weekend
[00:01:58] <oco> mmu_man : i am looking the first part !
[00:07:26] <mmu_man> I uploaded the first parts on the Media Kit (no not this one) of la quadrature: http://mediakit.laquadrature.net/
[00:07:55] <mmu_man> but it should be available on the assemblee website or LCP
[00:08:13] <mmu_man> dr_evil feel for our MP, they must wait till 1 am to vote now
[00:10:24] <mmu_man> umccullough not 3Gbps ? :-(
[00:10:26] <dr_evil> i have no idea what you are talking about
[00:11:33] <mmu_man> our parliament got suspended for 1h because they weren't enough ppl in
[00:11:43] <mmu_man> actually 59min
[00:12:02] <dr_evil> hmm thats stupid
[00:12:11] <oco> mmu_man : i am currently watching (ah my bad english)
[00:12:51] <dr_evil> in germany, the fishing and agriculture workgroup voted on software patents late in the night
[00:13:05] <dr_evil> thats a really nice example how laws are made
[00:13:37] <mmu_man> eh, yeah :-(
[00:16:13] <pyCube> the best thing about laws is that you can completely ignore/break them. then when somebody notices you can simply make comments about not wanting to 'look backward', instead you must 'move forward' and not get all hung up on who did what to who and so on
[00:16:51] <pyCube> according to teh USA, enforcing laws is something pathetic little 'bananna republics' do
[00:17:04] <dr_evil> err, whatever
[00:17:18] <pyCube> nevermind that banana republics are the product of american corporate empire..
[00:17:35] <dr_evil> I just finished watching Dexter S04E05, time for 5 hours of sleep before I resume working :(
[00:17:54] <dr_evil> typo, s02e05
[00:17:55] <stpere> dr_evil: thanks for your hard work on ATA
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[00:18:03] <stpere> it's very appreciated here :)
[00:19:05] <dr_evil> well, haiku boots here well, but after 10 minutes, usb mouse stopped working, and after entering KDL the PS/2 keyboard wasn't even working anymore
[00:19:42] <dr_evil> however, ATAPI CD-ROM, Mediaplayer and HDA audio were working
[00:19:52] <dr_evil> nght
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[00:19:59] <stpere> night!
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[00:27:56] <stpere> holy macaroni! I just figured it out :)
[00:28:07] <stpere> man, spent the whole afternoon trying to fix that
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[00:31:36] <aldeck> stpere: background prefs?
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[00:32:22] <stpere> yes :-P
[00:32:29] <aldeck> cool :)
[00:32:45] <stpere> now, the outline can be turned off if you don't use a background bitmap
[00:33:01] <stpere> it just didn't make sense to force it to the user
[00:34:54] <vjacob> someone here playing with LaTeX on Haiku?
[00:35:06] <vjacob> or BeOS
[00:35:12] <aldeck> stpere: ah cool, never noticed
[00:35:26] * mmadia taps mmu_man on the shoulder
[00:35:44] <aldeck> stpere: always have backgrounds here
[00:35:52] <mmu_man> long since I've had the joy to use \LaTeX
[00:36:19] <vjacob> mmu_man: do you think you will use it ever again? :)
[00:36:24] <mmu_man> hopefully
[00:36:32] <aldeck> hehe, me too, reminds me university
[00:36:33] <mmu_man> if I do this Ph.D. thesis
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[00:36:51] * vjacob realizes there's a #haiku-support  and wonders if it should be advertised on this irc channel some time before R1 :)
[00:37:22] <mmadia> vjacob : eventually it's planned to incorporate a web-based irc chat support.
[00:37:35] <aldeck> hmm, haiku-support
[00:37:39] <mmadia> #haiku-support is where those users will be shuffled too initially.
[00:38:00] <mmadia> this is to help preserve the last few ounces of sanity in this channel :D
[00:38:04] <vjacob> exactly
[00:38:13] <aldeck> sanity in this channel?? :D
[00:38:23] <vjacob> perhaps it should be renamed #haiku-users though
[00:38:48] <vjacob> to put weight on it not being a service one can expect or demand
[00:39:10] <aldeck> more seriously though, it's hard to follow with all theses different channels of communication
[00:39:13] <vjacob> if this is (to become) #haiku-developers
[00:39:27] <mmadia> no, this is to remain a general, anything goes channel.
[00:39:27] <aldeck> following 8 ML for haiku already
[00:39:44] <vjacob> aldeck: why??
[00:40:12] <aldeck> commits, dev, general, ports, bugs, gsoc ....
[00:40:35] <vjacob> for good reason then. keep up the good work.
[00:40:44] <vjacob> ;)
[00:40:59] <mmadia> well, gsoc itself is 3 listst... google-mentors, google-announce, our gsoc, our -mentor
[00:41:12] <aldeck> yeah, didn't go into details :D
[00:41:57] <aldeck> + irc channels
[00:42:13] <aldeck> and one shoudl follows forums on the site too...
[00:42:22] <aldeck> *follow
[00:42:57] <mmadia> personally , the forums should be canned.  note: this is not a popular opinion :)
[00:43:11] <aldeck> and i'm not subscribed to some more specialized MLs like web, doc
[00:43:24] <mmadia> we have a -doc?
[00:43:38] <aldeck> yep, almost contributed too
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[00:44:08] <mmadia> oh, have you noticed that we're getting really close to being able to make a solid movement regarding documentation?  :)
[00:44:16] <mmadia> *(on the website)
[00:44:29] <aldeck> yeah, i feel something is happening :)
[00:45:08] <aldeck> some recent talk from you / urias
[00:45:14] <vjacob> it would be nice of in general more discussion on ML (not speaking in haiku hierarchies) would be put on wikis instead
[00:45:19] <mmadia> i whipped up a TOC for urias to review.
[00:45:35] <aldeck> cool
[00:45:51] <vjacob> since it seems an awful lot of information is never put or archived in a place where people later can find it, or where they build upon it
[00:45:57] <mmadia> vjacob : what do you mean?  using the wiki's as a discussion forum?
[00:46:04] <vjacob> e.g. knowledge transfer
[00:46:11] <mmadia> the mailing lists are archived on freelists.
[00:46:23] <vjacob> well the information is scattered about
[00:46:35] <vjacob> even if it's seperated per mailing lists
[00:46:38] <mmadia> *nods*
[00:46:43] <aldeck> i agree, theres some duplication of effort
[00:46:46] <vjacob> we need hyperlinks
[00:46:58] <vjacob> however I don't see many software projects or organizations convert ML to wikis
[00:47:04] <vjacob> nor should they
[00:47:26] <vjacob> it's just that MLs are only so efficient, and too few people in general use wikis /me thinks
[00:47:58] <mmadia> at this point, there is no wiki-capable structure on haiku-os.org
[00:48:02] <aldeck> one of my prefered oss project is ogre3d, and they've been doing pretty well with phpbb forums and a wiki
[00:48:23] <mmadia> * www.haiku-os.org     the wiki provided by Trac at dev.haiku-os.org isn't being considered.
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[00:48:56] <aldeck> well, i yelled when the first wiki went off
[00:49:18] <aldeck> i had done some french translations
[00:49:20] <vjacob> it's funny that you also mentioned documentation before
[00:49:43] <vjacob> all documentation is organized in something html-compatible no?
[00:50:06] <vjacob> perhaps it would make documentation easier also, if wikis were adopted as an approach
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[00:50:27] <vjacob> since wikis could then be converted at a given point in time, if they were good enough
[00:50:38] <mmadia> right now, the focus is being put on consolidating the various how-to guides
[00:51:06] <aldeck> yep, wiki could serve for wip docs, then put in svn for consolidation
[00:51:32] <mmadia> seeing as that's the worst situation in our documentation -- various out of date documents on our website and on 3rd party sites.
[00:51:45] <mmadia> so, there's really no clear answer.
[00:51:51] <aldeck> mmadia: yep i agree priority number 1
[00:52:24] <mmadia> individuals do know the answer and echelog does keep a history, but it's rather time consuming to regurgitate it everytime.
[00:52:43] <mmu_man> dr
[00:52:45] <mmu_man> gahhh
[00:55:47] <vjacob> also another thing which I think could be a really awesome addition to haiku's information strategy... visualization
[00:56:04] <vjacob> tools that show the relationships between different documentations, bugreports, data in general
[00:57:16] <mmadia> contributions are always welcome :D
[00:58:44] <vjacob> is there an svn client on beos/haiku?
[00:58:50] <vjacob> http://bebits.com/app/4170 seems to not have been updated since 2005
[00:59:28] <mmadia> which do you need?
[00:59:32] <mmadia> beos or haiku?
[00:59:46] <vjacob> ah, found http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/3791
[01:03:00] <vjacob> http://www.haikuware.com/add-software/view-details/development/app-installation/senryu-personal-edition-raw-image
[01:03:03] <vjacob> has what I need :)
[01:04:18] <mmadia> haiku-files.org has pre-alpha images with subversion as well.
[01:04:59] <Ralith> Is it possible that a gcc4 image might panic when a gcc2 image would not?
[01:05:10] <mmadia> yup.
[01:05:59] <Ralith> >:/
[01:06:07] <Ralith> what should I do about that
[01:06:12] <mmadia> can you reproduce it?
[01:06:21] <vjacob> mmadia: can I find a 700Mb pre-alpha image somewhere? If so.. where?
[01:06:23] <Ralith> one sec, only actually tried once
[01:06:30] <Ralith> I imagine it'll happen each time though
[01:06:56] <mmadia> vjacob : no, they're only available as 400mb images. why do you want a larger sized one?  for emulation or ... ?
[01:07:26] <Ralith> yyp
[01:07:26] <vjacob> mmadia: because my partition is 850Mb+ and with a 400Mb  image it doesn't really allow much space, actually it doesn't have any free space
[01:07:28] <Ralith> yup*
[01:07:48] <Ralith> PANIC: _mutex_lock(): double lock of 0x80f8757c by thread 50
[01:07:56] <mmadia> Ralith : see if it exists as a ticket at http://dev.haiku-os.org ,  if not, report it as a new bug.
[01:08:08] <Ralith> any way to get more detailed info to attach?
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[01:08:28] <mmadia> vjacob : are you trying to dd the image to the partition?
[01:08:37] <vjacob> yes I am
[01:09:05] <mmadia> could you dd it directly to a usb stick, boot that, then use Installer to install haiku to the 850mb partition?
[01:10:39] <vjacob> I could but I don't have a usb stick that is free of space
[01:11:13] <vjacob> or rather if I could avoid doing so, I'd surely prefer to do so
[01:11:26] <vjacob> however I understand that the file size should be kept as small as possible
[01:11:33] <vjacob> just wish dd was a little bit more flexible
[01:12:12] <Ralith> vjacob: you expect dd to understand filesystems?
[01:12:17] <mmadia> it's not an issue with dd.
[01:12:17] <Ralith> that's not what dd's *for*
[01:12:18] <vjacob> hehe
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[01:12:27] <vjacob> I know.
[01:12:49] * Ralith tests out lastest svn to be sure that the panic wasn't a temporary thing
[01:13:13] <vjacob> mmadia: how do I install from the usb?
[01:13:43] <scanty> up up downn down left right left right b a start.
[01:13:48] <scanty> oh no wait, that's the code for contra.
[01:14:06] * mmadia hands scanty an extra 27 lives
[01:14:12] <scanty> :)
[01:14:42] <mmadia> vjacob : basically, you want to dd it to the entire usb stick device --and-- not a partition on the usb stick.
[01:14:43] <Ralith> :D
[01:14:48] <Ralith> latest svn doesn't panic!
[01:14:56] <Ralith> well, I should probably wait for it to boot all the way
[01:15:07] <vjacob> mmadia: ok, and then  what?
[01:15:10] <Ralith> yay, it works :]
[01:15:19] <mmadia> that's the easiest way to plop haiku on a usb stick, as the boot sector will not need to be modified.
[01:15:32] <mmadia> vjacob : plug 'er in.  boot 'er up.
[01:15:44] <vjacob> mmadia: wait, are you talking about running beos from the Usb stick... or will I be able to install from it afterwards?
[01:15:58] <mmadia> running Haiku from the usb stic.
[01:16:01] <vjacob> :(
[01:16:05] * Ralith is running it from a usb stick just that way
[01:16:10] <Ralith> very handy for quick build/test cycles
[01:16:13] <mmadia> from there you'll be able to boot the usb stick and then install it to the HD.
[01:16:35] <vjacob> okay, that's more like it... that's my question though... how do I install it from the usb stick to the HD+
[01:16:46] <vjacob> what's the procedure? google gives me a lot about installing to windows
[01:16:49] <mmadia> once it's booted,  run `Installer` from terminal
[01:16:52] <vjacob> I want to install to a native bfs partition
[01:16:57] <vjacob> ok
[01:17:21] <vjacob> that's it?
[01:17:24] <mmadia> then use DriveSetup, which will be a button somewhere on Installer to intialize your 850mb partition as BFs.
[01:17:28] <vjacob> ok
[01:17:30] <vjacob> got it.
[01:17:35] * mmadia can type only so fast. :P
[01:17:45] <scanty> you need a third hand, perhaps?"
[01:19:23] * vjacob thanks mmadia non-verbally :P
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[01:21:02] <vjacob> what's a good version to get if I want to test out the system on an EEE 1000H netbook and bug report on stability issues?
[01:21:08] <vjacob> build date I mean
[01:21:45] <Ralith> latest? :P
[01:21:56] * Ralith is playing with svn head
[01:23:15] <vjacob> all right, I'll probablly try the latest.. any interesting check ins during the last 48h? :)
[01:24:09] <mmadia> vjacob : http://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/haiku-commits/
[01:26:39] <vjacob> downloading in the middle of the night...costly in terms of sleep...downloading 102Mb in 21 seconds...priceless
[01:27:16] <scanty> fibre?
[01:27:45] <stpere> satellite :)
[01:28:10] <stpere> dialup ftw
[01:28:55] <scanty> 300baud, yay
[01:29:05] <JonathanThompson> FUN!
[01:29:19] <vjacob> research network
[01:29:59] * JonathanThompson poits scanty
[01:30:15] * scanty runs for the hills
[01:30:30] * JonathanThompson trips scanty with a speed bump
[01:30:59] <scanty> damn.
[01:31:20] <JonathanThompson> How's it been going for you, scanty ?  Avoid the Swine flu thus far?
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[01:31:38] <scanty> yeah, i'm doing all right so far
[01:32:17] <JonathanThompson> Are you currently employed?
[01:32:36] <scanty> nope... yourself?
[01:32:44] <JonathanThompson> Depends on whom you ask ;)
[01:32:51] <JonathanThompson> Self-employed, legally.
[01:32:59] <scanty> ah, I see.
[01:33:01] <vjacob> welcome Uruguay!
[01:33:09] <scanty> well that's a step in the right direction
[01:33:16] <JonathanThompson> Only if it makes money :P
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[01:34:34] <Ralith> Why is it that haiku doesn't tell the system to power off when you shut it down?
[01:34:44] <stpere> is it me or setting a background to a folder doesn't work?
[01:34:47] * vjacob waits for dd to finish on USB
[01:36:30] <vjacob> woohoo!
[01:36:33] <vjacob> cya
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[01:37:03] <stpere> hi? :)
[01:41:24] <CIA-15> stpere * r30495 /haiku/trunk/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[01:41:24] <CIA-15> Allows "Icon Label Outline" to be disabled when no background bitmaps are chosen.
[01:41:24] <CIA-15> It complements r29190 and fixes ticket #2395.
[01:42:08] <aldeck> yeah stpere, i tried it sometime ago, there's work to do here too :)
[01:43:52] <aldeck> iirc it worked, but was a bit flaky
[01:44:19] <aldeck> ah and only in icon mode btw
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[01:45:59] <stpere> ah
[01:46:06] <stpere> for a sec, I thought I broke it
[01:46:16] <stpere> good thing I kept a "before" image beside
[01:46:36] <aldeck> nice to see you test a lot :)
[01:47:03] <stpere> yes, I always double check
[01:47:04] <aldeck> btw, thanks for all the commits recently :) very encouraging
[01:47:19] <stpere> I also do so when dialing :P
[01:47:33] <aldeck> hehe
[01:48:00] <stpere> you're welcome
[01:48:19] <stpere> you have a very welcoming community and it's motivating :)
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[01:49:58] <aldeck> yeah, that's why i'm here too :)
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[01:50:37] <stpere> mmadia: lol :)
[01:50:53] <stpere> that's the spirit :P
[01:53:01] <aldeck> ah 2AM already, good night spere, mmadia :)
[01:53:14] <stpere> night!
[01:53:20] <aldeck> and keep up the great work
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[02:01:46] <CIA-15> mmu_man * r30496 /haiku/trunk/ (build/jam/HaikuImage src/add-ons/kernel/busses/Jamfile):
[02:01:46] <CIA-15> If I got it right this should enable switching the ata vs ide stack by just adding
[02:01:46] <CIA-15> HAIKU_ATA_STACK = 1 ;
[02:01:46] <CIA-15> in your UserBuildConfig.
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[02:31:35] <vjacob> hey all
[02:32:10] <vjacob> just wanted to say that I'm up and running on the Asus EEE 1000H with build 30413.
[02:32:19] <vjacob> The latest alpha-image didn't let me boot for some reason
[02:32:33] <vjacob> and the one previous to that definitely has a CRC error in the zip file
[02:32:55] <vjacob> downloaded it 3x times :)
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[02:33:17] <stpere> heh, sorry to hear that :)
[02:33:21] <vjacob> thanks to all of you for keeping the spirit alive!
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[02:33:37] <vjacob> i can't wait to test this some more over the summer
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[02:34:05] <vjacob> and looking forward to see some of those apps I helped test back with R4.5 run again, perhaps
[02:34:31] <vjacob> gnight
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[02:35:09] <pfoetchen> wooooot got the arm kernel stub to compile correctly now I only have to replace all the #warning ARM:WRITEME! with real code ;)
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[02:35:33] <geist> woot
[02:35:41] <stpere> hi geist ! :)
[02:36:05] <stpere> and pfoetchen :)
[02:38:56] <pfoetchen> geist thanks for the tiny kernel you made it was really helpfull
[02:38:59] <redblue> ello
[02:39:05] <redblue> mmu_man =)
[02:39:19] <mmu_man> plop
[02:39:34] <geist> pfoetchen: oh yeah? didn't know if you had looked at it
[02:39:34] <geist> great
[02:39:50] <geist> it's clearly much less advanced, but it has a lot of the basic low level stuff
[02:40:44] <geist> the way it switches processor modes in the interrupt handler will probably need to be done differently in haiku, since that code in lk only handles interrupting from svc mode
[02:40:54] <geist> processor modes on ARM are always annoying anyway
[02:41:53] <pfoetchen> yep but I did not write that part yet most of the functions are empty stubs ;)
[02:43:52] <mmu_man> pfoetchen is that you ?
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[02:45:39] * pfoetchen is pfoetchen
[02:45:44] <pfoetchen> ;)
[02:45:50] * mmu_man is mmu_man
[02:46:06] * scanty is scanty
[02:46:07] <scanty> this is easy.
[02:46:22] * scanty hides in the distance
[02:48:00] * mmu_man is françois
[02:48:29] <mmadia> mmu_man : what's the key code to type your 5th letter?
[02:48:41] <mmu_man> &ccedil; in html ?
[02:48:45] <pfoetchen> i knew it once..
[02:49:01] <mmadia> no, from within Haiku :)
[02:49:05] <mmu_man> dunno
[02:49:07] * pfoetchen is Johannes
[02:49:22] <stpere> I'm .. tired
[02:49:22] <mmu_man> well the key with the 9 on it with an azerty keymap
[02:49:25] * mmadia is tired and mildly cranky
[02:49:27] <pyCube> bon joor, kah vah?
[02:49:29] <stpere> :)
[02:49:30] <mmadia> damn you stpere !
[02:49:33] <mmu_man> pfoetchen enchanté :)
[02:50:02] * pfoetchen can speak French fluently but can't write a word in French...
[02:50:20] <mmu_man> ah cool
[02:50:42] <mmu_man> well I did 5 years of german and worked for germans, but I don't practice enough
[02:50:46] <stpere> pfoetchen: many native french speaker are as you here :)
[02:50:53] <pfoetchen> I can also read French since I'm 7 years old or something ;)
[02:50:57] <stpere> with all those typos :)
[02:51:34] <pfoetchen> ;)
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[02:54:43] <mmu_man> ok I should sleep
[02:54:47] <mmu_man> pfoetchen nice to meet you
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[02:55:05] <pfoetchen> ;) I should get some sleep,too ...
[02:55:17] <helf2> is a 700mhz overclock on a 2ghz p4 on air good?
[02:55:17] <helf2> :P
[02:55:27] <mmu_man> btw, I've got a talk granted at RMLL in july... about the ARM port (which I proposed before GSoC, so), would be nice to get you there
[02:56:01] * helf2 has no idea what normal overclock ranges are for p4s
[02:56:43] <pfoetchen> mmu_man yea I could go to France for that and visit my family in France ;)
[02:57:12] <mmu_man> http://2009.rmll.info/Haiku-portage-sur-une-nouvelle.html?lang=en
[02:57:20] <mmu_man> it's in Nantes this year
[02:57:53] <mmadia> helf2 : that's what ~33%
[02:59:03] <helf2> 35%
[02:59:23] <mmu_man> ok n8!
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[03:00:40] <helf2> mmadia:  is that good?
[03:01:00] <mmadia> haven't overclocked anything more than a p3 :)
[03:01:06] <mmadia> but i'd be happy with that.
[03:02:26] <helf2> kewl
[03:02:37] <helf2> its my bros pc. i guess i can take it higher with a better cooler
[03:02:47] <helf2> itll boot at 2.95 but doesnt run stable
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[03:43:59] <helf2> heh
[03:44:11] <helf2> my sisters amd athlon 64 @ 2.6ghz destroys this northwood @ 2.7
[03:46:20] * Disreali just discovered a case of well-aged Belgian ale
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[03:56:03] <pyCube> i wouldnt mind a belgian draft horse
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[04:00:36] <geist> .'
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[04:04:45] <BePhantom> finally im home
[04:05:13] <AnEvilYak> hiya geist
[04:05:17] <BePhantom> will have to sleep on the floor but it doesnt matter :D
[04:06:18] <BePhantom> any news in the haiku world? been away from the internet for 3 days
[04:06:55] <Disreali> haiku is dead. everyone has switch to mac
[04:07:02] <Disreali> ;)
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[04:07:47] <BePhantom> MacOS 8? :D
[04:07:57] <Disreali> ew
[04:08:45] <BePhantom> haiku homepage looks the same :D
[04:10:51] * JonathanThompson poits helf2
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[04:12:13] <Disreali> me open another beer, just to make sure did not make a mistake with the batch
[04:13:40] <Disreali> BePhantom, where were you that kept you away from that intarwebs for so long?
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[04:17:53] <BePhantom> Disreali, my apartments floor was carpeted so hired a bunch of guys to remove it and fix the wooden floor below it
[04:18:07] <BePhantom> so i was homeless for two days
[04:19:18] <BePhantom> they finished the work today, but there's still lots of things to do, like intensive cleaning :D
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[04:20:11] <Disreali> fun
[04:20:20] <BePhantom> oh joy :D
[04:20:52] <Disreali> I hope you were not true homeless, but not there will work was done
[04:21:07] <Disreali> while
[04:21:25] <BePhantom> well, i was able to contact a friend and he provided me with shelter :D
[04:21:32] <Disreali> yay
[04:22:39] * Disreali hands BePhantom a maple-flavored Abbey-style ale
[04:22:56] <BePhantom> there's also lots of furniture to move so today i sleep on the floor, i think tomorrow will sleep on my bed lol
[04:23:07] <BePhantom> the floor looks great btw :D
[04:23:31] <mmadia> Disreali : by any chance how close is Hunter mountain to you?
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[04:24:00] <mmadia> there was a craft beer festival this weekend.
[04:25:13] <BePhantom> that sounds nice :)
[04:25:45] <Disreali> mmadia, hour, mayba an hour and a half
[04:26:03] <mmadia> damn, i should've told you earlier in the week.
[04:26:47] <Disreali> mmadia, I want to go, but I am working this weekend
[04:27:04] <mmadia> sorry... i meant this past weekend
[04:27:30] <mmadia> and yes, my sense of time is very screwy today
[04:27:34] <Disreali> I've missed it for because of work for the last 4 years or so
[04:27:59] <BePhantom> was it like oktoberfest? :P
[04:28:04] <Disreali> did I miss it again?
[04:28:11] <mmadia> aye, you did.
[04:28:35] <mmadia> BePhantom : most likely not.  first the glasses were ~4oz tasting ones.
[04:28:35] <Disreali> BePhantom, no. very small compared to Oktoberfest
[04:29:18] <mmadia> and no Frauleins carried the beer to me
[04:29:19] <Disreali> man, i really hope I can find my brewing notes for this batch
[04:29:50] <mmadia> ooo... homebrew
[04:30:19] <Disreali> mmadia, you are lucky if there are any Frauliens at the beer fest at hunter's
[04:30:54] <BePhantom> sounds nice, i like to try new beers, I must have been a beer taster in my past life :D
[04:33:30] <Disreali> mmadia, over 10% by volume, iirc. a couple pounds grade D Maple sugar powder(very dark) and mosalase in addtion to 10 pounds of dme
[04:34:14] <mmadia> nice!
[04:34:34] <BePhantom> i was actually looking into how to brew my own beer but it looks difficult and time consuming so i never really got into it :D
[04:34:34] <Disreali> you could pore this on pancakes
[04:35:04] <Disreali> BePhantom, iirc you are in Germany?
[04:35:31] <BePhantom> Disreali, no, I'm from Argentina
[04:35:38] <Disreali> ah
[04:35:59] <BePhantom> Disreali, you brew your own beer?
[04:36:03] <mmadia> BePhantom : you can make it as complex as you want it to be :)
[04:36:26] <Disreali> brewing beer is not that difficult, just much slower that going out and buying a case
[04:36:43] <Disreali> BePhantom, yes, but not in a lonfg time
[04:36:59] <BePhantom> mmadia, true but it seems that the secret ingredient is patience for trial and error and lately I'm lacking it :D
[04:37:12] <pyCube> i prefer horticulture
[04:37:42] <Disreali> I just discovered this case(12pack) while cleaning my basement
[04:38:04] <BePhantom> Disreali, awesome, did you find the perfect beer?
[04:38:22] <Disreali> it is probably 10 years old, and very tasty
[04:39:20] <Disreali> BePhantom, there no such thing as the perfect beer, only thing close is the beer you don't pay for
[04:39:34] <Disreali> then it is always good
[04:40:27] * Disreali is suddenly very hungery
[04:41:41] <BePhantom> i read that it takes a long time until you find the perfect recipe, but then i guess that's impossible because you always want to improve it and try new mixes
[04:41:57] <Disreali> correct
[04:43:07] <BePhantom> it must be fun, you're from? will drop by and try your beer if ever go to USA :D
[04:43:09] <Disreali> the more styles you taste, the more you want to try
[04:45:33] <BePhantom> pyCube, horticulture? :)
[04:45:49] <Disreali> that is a n awesome idea! have a haiku/beos/walter con that coincides with a beer festival
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[04:47:46] <BePhantom> i might consider having a beer in a while, all this beer talking got me thirsty :D
[04:49:09] <pyCube> BePhantom, yeah.. growing plants and stuff
[04:51:48] <BePhantom> weed? :)
[04:53:11] <BePhantom> pyCube, did you buy the boxter?
[04:56:31] <pyCube> no.. rethinking whether I want to keep/fix up my porsche 914 or sell it for a boxster
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[04:58:29] <BePhantom> you already own a porsche?
[04:58:32] <BePhantom> awesome
[04:59:05] <BePhantom> 914 is really beautiful
[04:59:15] <pyCube> i think so too
[04:59:32] <BePhantom> it would be a pitty to sell it imo
[04:59:38] <BePhantom> classic car
[04:59:38] <pyCube> i think so too
[04:59:42] <pyCube> :-p
[04:59:50] <BePhantom> :D
[05:00:25] <BePhantom> but maybe it's very difficult to mantain it
[05:00:43] <pyCube> no.. not difficult, i just dont have a garage anymore.. makes its less fun
[05:00:55] <pyCube> doing the simple stuff like oil changes and such
[05:02:12] <BePhantom> why would you consider selling it?
[05:02:29] <BePhantom> is it because you like boxster better?
[05:04:05] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, you really quiet lately, you must be really into developing your card game :D
[05:05:44] <pyCube> i was considering it because i dont want to be responsible for letting the 914 die
[05:05:48] <pyCube> neglect
[05:06:19] <pyCube> but i think the right answer is for me to invest a little money to get it fully fixed again, and to just be good about the upkeep
[05:06:42] <pyCube> past 1.5 years i have been very busy with new job.. but i things are better now time wise
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[05:29:37] <BePhantom> pyCube, how much does 914 cost?
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[05:46:31] <pyCube__> hm
[05:46:46] <pyCube__> BePhantom: i paid $6500 for mine
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[05:59:50] <BePhantom> pyCube that's a bargain :)
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[06:05:51] <JonathanThompson> Hi BePhantom, I've been developing more ;)
[06:10:18] <pyCube__> BePhantom: it is a bargain.. but now i need to put a good deal of $$ into it.  i used to live in the desert, so rust was a non-issue.. and a lot of things that needed fixing i could let slide, like rubber seals around doors and such. but now i need to get it all weather proof
[06:13:58] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, hehe cant wait for a deathmatch multiplayer mode :D
[06:14:21] <JonathanThompson> The latest game idea I've been working on is a dungeon crawler type of card game, with my own twists :D
[06:14:38] <JonathanThompson> Which game are you referring to with deathmatch multiplayer mode? :)
[06:15:18] <BePhantom> pyCube_ true, old cars need more care and money ;)
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[06:16:26] <pyCube__> BePhantom: the plus side is that when i drive it, its very unlikely that i will pass another one
[06:16:53] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, just kidding :D i was thinking of something like Counter Strike kind of action game with cards involved :P
[06:16:56] <pyCube__> i dont see many 914's anymore
[06:17:34] <JonathanThompson> Well, while I haven't decided fully yet, I'm leaning towards having cyborgs of some kind in my dungeon crawler game :D
[06:18:25] <BePhantom> pyCube_ true, i bet it must be quite a head turner
[06:18:51] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, i dont know dungeon crawler :P
[06:18:58] <pyCube__> the funny thing is that younger people tend to assume its some super expensive rare car
[06:19:16] <JonathanThompson> A sort of game where you go through a bunch of rooms, kill monsters,  loot the rooms, and try to escape :)
[06:19:24] <JonathanThompson> (A general description)
[06:19:44] <JonathanThompson> It may include more than one person, or even just be a single person game, or use teams working together, or against each other.
[06:20:33] <JonathanThompson> A classic example (one of the first in card games) is Dungeons and Dragons.
[06:24:42] <BePhantom> JonathanThompson, oh yeah, is it a role playing game?
[06:24:58] <JonathanThompson> D&D is, but what I'm working on, doesn't need to be.
[06:25:21] <JonathanThompson> It is most certainly a strategy game, however, with a bit of luck thrown in.
[06:25:30] <BePhantom> i never played D&D
[06:25:36] <JonathanThompson> Neither have I ;)
[06:25:40] <BePhantom> or any role-playing game :P
[06:25:48] <JonathanThompson> I played Munchkin Saturday night.
[06:25:57] <JonathanThompson> Which is a parody dungeon crawler game.
[06:26:33] <BePhantom> Munchkin, is a cat breed :D
[06:26:50] <JonathanThompson> The ones with the abnormally short legs? :D
[06:27:00] * JonathanThompson has pet a munchkin, if so
[06:27:02] <BePhantom> yes haha
[06:27:24] <JonathanThompson> They aren't as likely to land on their feet if they are dropped or jump from your arms :)
[06:27:39] * JonathanThompson wonders how well low-rider cats would fare in the wild
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[06:29:24] <BePhantom> i wonder how they scratch their head with their rear leg
[06:29:59] <JonathanThompson> Cats are natural contortionists :D
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[06:38:45] <AlienSoldier> they can detach that leg
[06:39:31] * JonathanThompson hands AlienSoldier a munchkin leg, for frying
[06:40:22] <AlienSoldier> i wonder what a photo of a cat tied to a bungy rope at maximum G would look like
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[06:45:15] <BePhantom> those are weasels
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[12:20:53] <CIA-15> dlmcpaul * r30498 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/media/plugins/ (27 files in 10 dirs): include asf_reader in compilation may break GCC4 builds
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[13:44:45] <miqlas> These new GCC4 packaes ( on the Haiku-Files. org site ) contains GCC4, or only GCC2.95.3?
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[13:50:47] <miqlas> Why the GCC4 build smaller than the GCC2? (For example R30494: GCC2: 103.07MB and the GCC4: 95.11MB)
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[13:56:48] <CIA-15> axeld * r30500 /haiku/trunk/src/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
[13:56:48] <CIA-15> * Fixed broken socket_get_next_stat() that was responsible for bug #3830.
[13:56:48] <CIA-15> * Minor cleanup.
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[14:16:43] <CIA-15> bonefish * r30501 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/debuganalyzer/gui/ (25 files in 2 dirs):
[14:16:43] <CIA-15> Beginning of a framework for drawing charts. Works a bit already, but there are
[14:16:43] <CIA-15> lots of loose ends.
[14:18:58] <CIA-15> bonefish * r30502 /haiku/trunk/ (headers/os/support/Debug.h src/system/libroot/os/debug.c): Made _debuggerAssert()'s "message" parameter const. Fixes building with gcc4.
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[14:20:40] <CIA-15> bonefish * r30503 /haiku/trunk/headers/private/system/system_profiler_defs.h:
[14:20:40] <CIA-15> Added a base struct for the scheduling event structures. To keep the interface
[14:20:40] <CIA-15> C friendly it's not an actual base class, but casting to it is fine.
[14:22:04] <CIA-15> bonefish * r30504 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
[14:22:04] <CIA-15> Added optional BDebugEventStream::ReadNextEvent() return parameter for the
[14:22:04] <CIA-15> stream position of the event header.
[14:22:56] <CIA-15> bonefish * r30505 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/debuganalyzer/model/Model.h: Added getters for the event data.
[14:23:34] <CIA-15> bonefish * r30506 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/debuganalyzer/model/ (ThreadModel.cpp ThreadModel.h): The thread model does now also store the scheduling events for the thread.
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[14:24:55] <BenoitRen> Hi. I'm looking to download a raw HDD image, but there only seem to be images with development tools.
[14:25:49] <BenoitRen> I've got only 250 MB reserved, so...
[14:27:37] <CIA-15> bonefish * r30508 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/debuganalyzer/gui/thread_window/ (5 files):
[14:27:37] <CIA-15> Added thread activity page that charts the thread's runs, waits, latencies, and
[14:27:37] <CIA-15> preemptions over time. WIP.
[14:33:14] <BenoitRen> Anyone?
[14:35:19] <HeTo> I'm afraid you have to build one yourself
[14:35:55] <CIA-15> modeenf * r30509 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/mediaplayer/Controller.cpp:
[14:35:55] <CIA-15> Revert some out commented error tracing code, thanks Jerome for noticed this.
[14:35:55] <CIA-15> (Got an error when I tried to spell your name correct)
[14:36:06] <BenoitRen> Argh. Not prepared to do that. :(
[14:36:45] <HeTo> or then make more space somewhere (on another usb stick or something like that) in which case you could boot that and remove stuff before installing in the final partition
[14:37:52] <BenoitRen> I'll just enlarge my partition. Got two BeFS partitions I can toy with; one for OS, one for data.
[14:39:54] * BenoitRen wonders where fdisk is
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[14:52:24] <CIA-15> dlmcpaul * r30510 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/media/plugins/Jamfile: add asf_reader to build for real this time
[14:54:24] <CIA-15> axeld * r30511 /haiku/trunk/ (build/jam/HaikuImage src/bin/Jamfile src/bin/reindex.cpp): (log message trimmed)
[14:54:24] <CIA-15> * Added a version of reindex that works under Haiku. Changes made to the
[14:54:24] <CIA-15> original version:
[14:54:24] <CIA-15> work around is not needed in our BFS implementation.
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[14:55:34] <BenoitRen> HeTo: There's also the choice between GCC4 and plain. What do I pick?
[14:56:03] <BenoitRen> HeTo: Does the GCC4 one drop BeOS 5 binary compatibility?
[14:58:03] <miqlas> http://noob.hu/07/0430/haiku_gcc4.jpg
[14:59:18] <BenoitRen> miqlas: That doesn't tell me much...
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[14:59:45] <miqlas> This is the current Haiku build. Built with GCC4, and it  have GCC4 compiler included.
[15:00:03] <miqlas> The GCC4  build have compatibility layer for BeOS R5 apps.
[15:00:14] <BenoitRen> Ah, that's what I wanted to know. Thanks.
[15:00:20] <miqlas> Your welcome.
[15:00:44] <helf|laptop> morning
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[15:02:25] <BenoitRen> s/Your/You're
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[15:15:58] <miqlas> I don't know why i always get time out error in KDL when i try to boot Haiku from USB.
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[15:19:26] <Carbamide> Good morning
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[15:33:47] <helf|laptop> morning, Carbamide
[15:33:57] <Carbamide> How goes it, helf|laptop?
[15:33:58] <stpere> hey helf
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[15:34:21] <Carbamide> It's a beautiful day to go to the shooting range today.
[15:34:40] * stpere suscribe to Carbamide's local newspaper
[15:34:51] <stpere> I think I will hear of you soon at this rate :P
[15:35:06] <Carbamide> ?
[15:35:13] <stpere> you like guns a lot :)
[15:35:18] <Carbamide> lol, yeah
[15:35:31] <Carbamide> I have a new (to me) Walther P-38 that I'm dying to shoot some.
[15:35:48] <Carbamide> I'm sad though.
[15:36:01] <Carbamide> I was hoping that the new Senryu raw build would be out by now, but it's not.
[15:36:10] <Carbamide> :-(
[15:36:14] <Carbamide> See?  That's my sad face.
[15:36:18] <Carbamide> lol
[15:37:56] <Carbamide> At first, I was like, "He subscribes to the Daily Progress?  No way!"
[15:37:59] <stpere> :)
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[15:40:12] <helf|laptop> good, Carbamide  :) morning stpere
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[15:41:42] <helf|laptop> i cant believe im still liking ubuntu. lol
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[15:43:55] <Carbamide> I'm considering installing ubuntu on this netbook
[15:44:35] <helf|laptop> Carbamide,  9.04 is actually really good
[15:44:42] <helf|laptop> so far
[15:44:53] <Carbamide> I wonder if it supports the wireless networking in this netbook though.
[15:44:56] <helf|laptop> only had one issue and that was quickly fixed (non-free wifi stopped working)
[15:44:58] <Carbamide> That would be a deal breaker if it didn't.
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[15:45:07] <helf|laptop> Carbamide,  what netbook? msi wind or?
[15:45:16] <Carbamide> Acer AspireOne
[15:45:45] <helf|laptop> oh
[15:45:51] <helf|laptop> id think it would
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[16:39:15] <mmu_man> plop
[16:39:36] <mmadia> splash
[16:40:04] <aurynn> fizz fizz
[16:40:21] <stpere> moo
[16:40:24] <mmadia> oh what a relief it is
[16:40:29] <stpere> moo?
[16:40:42] <mmadia> no alka seltzer. :)
[16:40:45] <stpere> mooo :)
[16:41:16] * stpere pushes the cow from his laptop
[16:42:06] <aurynn> Moooo.
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[17:01:48] <sarmale> lo
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[17:02:38] <smooki> hi
[17:02:42] <MindChild> flam
[17:03:58] * JonathanThompson notes AT&T seems to have a brain-damaged "automatic" bill pay system
[17:04:48] <Ingenu> hey JonathanThompson
[17:05:02] <JonathanThompson> Hi Ingenu, do you have the swine flu yet? ;)
[17:05:13] <Ingenu> no
[17:05:18] <MindChild> I got the swine flu back in nam
[17:05:19] <Ingenu> I'm locked in there
[17:05:21] <Ingenu> I won't move out
[17:05:35] <Ingenu> I'll buy ammos by the internet and shoot people on sight
[17:05:41] <Ingenu> sounds like a great plan no ?
[17:05:41] <Ingenu> ;)
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[17:06:10] <JonathanThompson> Have you got all the food and fuel you need for several months? ;)
[17:09:47] <Ingenu> yeah preparing for the zombie apocalypse
[17:09:55] <Ingenu> been training at Left 4 Dead :)
[17:09:57] <Ingenu> ;)
[17:10:37] <stpere> Ingenu: like in all good zombie movies, the infected ppl will only turn zombies in a week
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[17:10:57] <stpere> :)
[17:11:42] <pfoetchen> better shoot them before they are zombies
[17:13:10] <Ingenu> damn http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=533400 I don't whether to laugh or cry
[17:13:15] <Ingenu> in doubt I'll laugh
[17:13:58] <Ingenu> anyone know of a good yet simple boot CD that would let me check hardware and test a computer
[17:14:07] <Ingenu> (check hardware as in find out what's in the computer)
[17:15:51] * JonathanThompson notes down Ingenu's address for a known location of food and fuel to raid if things get really bad
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[17:16:12] <mmadia> ultimatebootcd.com ?
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[17:17:57] <Ingenu> mmadia, did you use it yourself ?
[17:18:43] <mmadia> for other reasons.   though looking at the included software, which is mentioned on the website,  it doesnt look like theres something for hardware identification.
[17:19:32] <mmadia> but for testing the hardware, it does have memtest, some cpu id + stress/burn-ins stuff.
[17:20:15] <Ingenu> indeed
[17:20:17] <mmadia> hd diagnostics and similar tools,    but i dont see something like a "list devices"
[17:20:59] <Ingenu> best is prolly to test it to see
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[17:26:01] <PulkoMandy> Ingenu, any linux livecd with the lspci command ?
[17:29:28] <CIA-15> kirilla * r30512 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/deskbar/ (BarApp.cpp BeMenu.cpp): Move Deskbar Restart and Shutdown options into a submenu and ask Registrar not to question the user's intent.
[17:30:21] <Ingenu> mmh
[17:30:25] <Ingenu> could be an idea
[17:30:56] <VinDuv> PulkoMandy, the System Rescue CD (http://www.sysresccd.org/) has probably this
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[17:42:15] <BenoitRen> rootnoverify (hd0,5)
[17:42:20] <BenoitRen> chainloader +1
[17:42:22] <BenoitRen> boot
[17:42:29] <BenoitRen> "Error loading OS"
[17:42:32] <kirilla> bbl -- time to get drunk and procure some grass stains, in the evening sun on this last day of April
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[17:42:55] <BenoitRen> Why won't Haiku boot?!
[17:42:56] <CIA-15> stippi * r30513 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/HaikuImage:
[17:42:56] <CIA-15> Even when making temporary hacks, please still follow
[17:42:56] <CIA-15> the coding style! :-)
[17:42:59] <mmadia> how'd you install Haiku, BenoitRen?
[17:43:18] <BenoitRen> mmadia: I used dd to copy the raw HDD image to a partition.
[17:43:26] <BenoitRen> mmadia: And used makebootable on it.
[17:43:26] <mmadia> you need to use makebootabletiny
[17:43:40] <mmadia> .... makebootable from Haiku, BeOS, Zeta, ?
[17:43:50] <BenoitRen> From BeOS5 MAX.
[17:43:56] <mmadia> you need to use makebootabletiny
[17:44:06] <BenoitRen> Since when? makebootable used to work.
[17:44:12] <DeadYak> BeOS 5's makebootable won't work on Haiku since a month or so
[17:44:19] <DeadYak> Since Haiku changed directory layout
[17:44:20] <BenoitRen> Argh.
[17:44:22] <mmadia> since the directory layout has changed.
[17:44:33] <CIA-15> axeld * r30514 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[17:44:33] <CIA-15> * Added a TODO about a problematic use of vm_page_allocate_page() in combination
[17:44:33] <CIA-15> with vm_cache_acquire_locked_page_cache().
[17:44:33] <CIA-15> * Added new function vm_page_num_unused_pages() which returns the pages that are
[17:44:33] <CIA-15> actually completely free and unused.
[17:44:36] <BenoitRen> Excuse my curiosity, but... why'd it change?
[17:44:53] <DeadYak> a lot of reasons, mostly to clean things up
[17:45:06] <BenoitRen> Hmm, OK.
[17:45:29] <BenoitRen> So do I just boot BeOS5 MAX again and run makebootabletiny? Or do I need to dd again first?
[17:45:51] <DeadYak> just makebootabletiny should be fine
[17:46:02] <BenoitRen> Thanks. Going to do that now!
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[17:51:19] <CIA-15> axeld * r30515 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/ (cache/file_cache.cpp vm/vm.cpp): (log message trimmed)
[17:51:19] <CIA-15> Fixed several problems of the prefetching code:
[17:51:19] <CIA-15> * Did claim to have reserved pages when calling vm_page_allocate_page(), but
[17:51:19] <CIA-15> didn't have any (copy&paste bug). We cannot use it without reserved pages,
[17:51:19] <CIA-15> as we need to call vm_page_allocate_page() with a cache locked.
[17:51:21] <CIA-15> * No longer use low_resource_state() to determine whether to precache or not,
[17:51:25] <CIA-15> but use the new vm_page_num_used_pages() instead.
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[17:53:48] <BenoitRen> Problem: BeOS5 MAX doesn't seem to have makebootabletiny.
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[17:54:49] <DeadYak> http://stefanschramm.net/dev/makebootabletiny/makebootabletiny.c   - compile and run
[17:54:54] <MindChild> The gnomes stole it!~
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[17:55:37] <BenoitRen> How do I compile that on Linux?
[17:55:51] <PulkoMandy> gcc makebootabletiny.c -o makebootable
[17:56:25] <BenoitRen> Can BeOS5 MAX compile it too, by the way?
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[17:57:54] <BenoitRen> I don't think Puppy Linux even has gcc.
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[17:58:38] <BenoitRen> Isn't there a binary available?
[17:59:22] <DeadYak> have fun trying to make a binary that works on every variant of linux out there
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[18:00:31] <BenoitRen> Does this binary for BeOS work well? -> http://www.students.tut.fi/~vettenrh/dump/
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[18:00:40] <DeadYak> no idea
[18:00:57] <mmadia> BenoitRen , where'd you find that url?
[18:01:06] <DeadYak> that's HeTo's page
[18:01:08] <BenoitRen> mmadia: Google.
[18:01:16] <DeadYak> if I recognize the name correctly
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[18:01:25] <mmadia> i know, i was looking for it on dev.HO
[18:01:27] <BenoitRen> It was posted on haiku-bugs mailing list
[18:01:52] <mmadia> BenoitRen : to which ticket # ?
[18:02:26] <BenoitRen> mmadia: #3668
[18:03:11] <mmadia> thanks.
[18:04:09] <miqlas> Testing the GCC4 build...
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[18:18:31] <BenoitRen> So, makebootabletiny_beos is the executable, right?
[18:18:49] <BenoitRen> It doesn't have an extension, so I assume I have to give it the executable flag.
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[18:19:34] <pfoetchen> someone should write a makebootable for windows with some good looking ui... perhapse I will do that if I have the time...
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[18:20:46] <DeadYak> BenoitRen: yes
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[18:22:03] * BenoitRen wonders why any Haiku files he tries to download on Windows can't be saved because of unknown error.
[18:22:36] <BenoitRen> *sigh* Back to GNU/Linux...
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[18:38:59] <DeadYak> HeTo: I have to admit, I do like that idea
[18:39:22] <DeadYak> HeTo: though it'd probably need some mechanism for the apps to give the dialog more interesting information about the files than just the name
[18:39:26] <DeadYak> and that metadata will vary a bit :)
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[18:39:47] <DeadYak> especially since a newly created doc might not have a name yet
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[18:40:30] <BenoitRen> I used makebootabletiny from BeOS5 MAX on the partition, which seemed to work fine.
[18:40:48] <BenoitRen> But when I try to boot Haiku using GRUB, it fails with a partial error message and a lot of random signs.
[18:40:54] <BenoitRen> s/signs/characters
[18:41:18] <BenoitRen> Some of it is readable, with beos and Haiku names in it.
[18:41:49] <BenoitRen> Commands used:
[18:41:57] <BenoitRen> rootnoverify (hd0,5)
[18:42:05] <BenoitRen> chainloader +1
[18:42:06] <BenoitRen> boot
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[18:45:04] <HeTo> BenoitRen: if you run makebootabletiny a couple of times in a row, will it still say it's updating the block?
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[18:45:36] <BenoitRen> HeTo: No idea; I'm in Windows now. BeOS5 MAX can't connect to the Internet here.
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[18:47:23] <HeTo> also, I don't know if I tested whether that actually works because I destroyed my Haiku partition boot block while testing earlier versions of that
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[18:48:02] <HeTo> I just saw that the final version wrote the right offset (which I had originally saved) into the right place in the end
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[18:49:18] <HeTo> earlier versions had the problem of writing at the beginning of the file, since BeOS doesn't support seeking inside a block in a block device, if you want to read or write something in the middle of a block, you need to read and write the whole block
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[18:54:47] <BenoitRen> HeTo: This final version, is it the one hosted here: http://www.students.tut.fi/~vettenrh/dump/
[18:54:52] <BenoitRen> ?
[18:55:27] <HeTo> BenoitRen: yes, at least the source is final, and the binary should be, too
[18:55:41] <BenoitRen> HeTo: I'll try running it again.
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[18:57:15] <helf|laptop> wooo
[18:57:25] <helf|laptop> we just finished ceilng mounting a projector
[18:57:26] <helf|laptop> :D
[18:57:35] <helf|laptop> that was fun. had to bust holes in walls and everything
[18:59:00] <miqlas> How cool! Gnash working on my PC with Haiku:)
[19:00:50] <helf|laptop> cool :)
[19:00:51] <helf|laptop> bbl
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[19:12:34] <miqlas> http://noob.hu/07/0430/haiku_gcc4_gnash_youtube.jpg My Haiku :)
[19:13:14] <BenoitRen> HeTo: It gave me the same offset, which is : 0xa0128c
[19:14:09] <BenoitRen> It probably doesn't mean much as this is not on the first partition.
[19:16:05] <HeTo> you could of course see if the partition starts with 8c 12 a0 00 (the first four bytes if you look at the raw partition with a hex editor)
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[19:16:50] <HeTo> the binary should be the working one, but it was quite late at night when I wrote that, so it's not entirely impossible that I accidentally uploaded an old version
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[19:18:08] <HeTo> oh, and did you run already BeOS makebootable on it? I'm not sure if that saves the partition offset in the same place as the Haiku one
[19:18:28] <HeTo> if you did that, you should first dd the Haiku boot block and then run makebootabletiny
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[19:23:19] <HeTo> makebootabletiny is a little bit stupid in that it does no sanity checks on the boot sector, it'll happily write the offset on anything
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[19:24:08] <BenoitRen> HeTo: Yes, I did do makebootable first. I asked if that mattered, but it didn't (at least not with GNU/Linux one, I assume was meant).
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[20:02:31] <BenoitRen> HeTo: That did the trick. I used dd again and then use makebootabletiny. :)
[20:02:40] <BenoitRen> *used
[20:03:02] <BenoitRen> Unfortunately, Haiku is still sluggish graphically. :(
[20:03:42] <HeTo> sounds like VESA
[20:04:03] <BenoitRen> My graphics card is supported, though. I could even change my resolution on the fly.
[20:04:19] <DeadYak> we can do that for VESA too
[20:04:22] <DeadYak> so that doesn't mean much
[20:04:28] <BenoitRen> That's new.
[20:04:33] <DeadYak> nope, been there for > a year
[20:04:47] <BenoitRen> Well, it's been quite some time since I tested.
[20:05:00] <BenoitRen> Did someone remove the S3 Virge driver?
[20:05:05] <geist> why do people still use cvs?
[20:05:16] <DeadYak> geist: inertia?
[20:05:18] <DeadYak> laziness?
[20:05:21] <geist> can't they get with the times?
[20:05:29] <geist> makes me sad
[20:05:42] <DeadYak> BenoitRen: anything listed in /dev/graphics other than vesa?
[20:05:57] <BenoitRen> geist: If that's the only reason you're sad, I'm sad.
[20:06:14] <BenoitRen> DeadYak: Uhh, I didn't look, and I'm back in Windows.
[20:06:16] <DeadYak> the S3 driver is present btw.
[20:07:07] <BenoitRen> If it's present, it's not being used, because it booted at a very high resolution at 16-bits colour. When my graphics card is recognised, it boots into 640x480 at 256 colours.
[20:07:18] <BenoitRen> At least it was that way over a year ago...
[20:07:54] <BenoitRen> It was still sluggish with the driver a year ago.
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[20:08:40] <DeadYak> Haiku will boot to whatever preferred resolution your monitor reports
[20:08:51] <DeadYak> that S3 driver's seen a fair amount of work a few months ago anyways
[20:09:01] <DeadYak> so whatever it did a year ago isn't much of a measure for what it's doing now
[20:09:06] * BenoitRen wishes the BeZilla team compiled a newer SeaMonkey than 1.1.7
[20:09:37] <BenoitRen> biesi!
[20:09:37] * aurynn giggles
[20:09:40] <aurynn> S3 Virge
[20:09:56] <biesi> BenoitRen!
[20:10:04] <BenoitRen> aurynn: I know, it's not leet enough.
[20:10:13] <BenoitRen> biesi: I didn't know you had become interested in Haiku!
[20:10:42] <biesi> I've been interested in BeOS for a while
[20:10:53] <biesi> I've never tried out haiku, though I keep meaning to
[20:10:58] <BenoitRen> I see.
[20:11:41] <miqlas> HD (1080) on Haiku: http://boly.hu/~miqlas/haiku/haiku_1080p.png
[20:12:20] <HeTo> looks like 720p to me
[20:12:35] <miqlas> window is resized
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[20:13:18] <aurynn> and a dock!
[20:13:27] <DeadYak> that's Dockbert from way back when
[20:13:29] <DeadYak> if I'm not mistaken
[20:13:43] <miqlas> LaunchBox, included in Haiku.
[20:13:46] <DeadYak> oh
[20:14:20] <miqlas> mystery in the right click menu :)
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[20:24:48] <BenoitRen> I'm in Haiku now. Nothing is listed in /dev/graphics.
[20:25:15] <DeadYak> not even vesa?
[20:25:24] <BenoitRen> Nothing.
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[20:25:45] <DeadYak> interesting....
[20:25:55] <DeadYak> that would explain sluggish graphics at least
[20:26:05] <smooki> is there any hw compatibility page for haiku please ?
[20:26:30] <aurynn> "Is it new? It won't work."
[20:26:40] <aurynn> :P
[20:27:25] <smooki> ;)
[20:27:26] <BenoitRen> DeadYak: What info can I provide to diagnose the problem?
[20:27:43] <DeadYak> output of listdev would probably be helpful
[20:28:14] <DeadYak> wonder if the S3 driver says anything in syslog about trying to recognize the chip or not...
[20:29:06] <BenoitRen> device Display controller (VGA compatible controller, VGA controller) [3|0|0]
[20:29:08] <BenoitRen>   vendor 5333: S3 Inc.
[20:29:10] <BenoitRen>   device 8a10: ViRGE/GX2
[20:29:32] <DeadYak> that one's listed in the s3 driver ...
[20:29:34] <DeadYak> odd.
[20:29:36] <BenoitRen> How do I view syslog again?
[20:29:44] <BenoitRen> ( that was listdev)
[20:29:46] <DeadYak>  /var/log/syslog
[20:31:39] <BenoitRen> KERN: smp_mp_probe: entry base 0x9fc00, limit 0xa0000
[20:31:40] <BenoitRen> KERN: smp_mp_probe: entry base 0xf0000, limit 0x100000
[20:31:42] <BenoitRen> KERN: VESA version = 2.0
[20:31:44] <BenoitRen> KERN: OEM string: S3 Incorporated. 86C357
[20:32:03] <DeadYak> that's just the boot loader probing it for a resolution
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[20:32:10] <aurynn> I remember when S3 didn't suck.
[20:32:17] <DeadYak> that doesn't actually have to do with the actual driver being loaded later
[20:32:19] <BenoitRen> (later on)
[20:32:20] <BenoitRen> KERN: VESA compatible graphics!
[20:32:37] <DeadYak> interesting, wonder why it didn't publish /dev/graphics/vesa at least then
[20:32:47] <DeadYak> though more curious is why the S3 driver failed to initialize it
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[20:33:10] <DeadYak> unfortunately I know exactly zero about the S3 driver, that'd be gerald zajac
[20:35:09] <BenoitRen> I think I found the entry for the S3 card
[20:35:18] <BenoitRen> KERN: PCI: [dom 0, bus  1] bus   1, device  0, function  0: vendor 5333, device 8a10, revision 04
[20:35:19] <BenoitRen> KERN: PCI:   class_base 03, class_function 00, class_api 00
[20:35:22] <BenoitRen> KERN: PCI:   vendor 5333: S3 Inc.
[20:35:24] <BenoitRen> KERN: PCI:   device 8a10: ViRGE/GX2
[20:35:26] <BenoitRen> KERN: PCI:   info: Display controller (VGA compatible controller, VGA controller)
[20:35:39] <DeadYak> yeah, that's the PCI dump
[20:36:23] <BenoitRen> It lists various stats: and then KERN: PCI:   Capabilities: (not supported)
[20:36:39] <DeadYak> that just means it doesn't support that particular PCI probe command
[20:36:47] <DeadYak> that PCI dump again has nothing to do with whether a device has a supported driver or not
[20:36:58] <DeadYak> it's purely informational as to what hardware PCI says is in the system
[20:37:04] <BenoitRen> What am I looking for, then?
[20:37:15] <DeadYak> some init line or other from the S3 driver, if anything
[20:37:35] <DeadYak> I have no idea what it dumps to the log though, assuming it does so at all
[20:37:43] <DeadYak> like I said, that'd be a question for Gerald
[20:39:08] <BenoitRen> KERN: S3: init_hardware() - device supported
[20:39:11] <BenoitRen> KERN: S3: init_driver() match found; name: graphics/5333_8A10_010000
[20:39:12] <BenoitRen> KERN: S3: init_driver() 1 supported devices
[20:39:14] <BenoitRen> KERN: loaded driver /boot/system/add-ons/kernel/drivers/dev/graphics/s3
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[20:39:26] <DeadYak> interesting...so why is it not listed...
[20:39:35] <DeadYak> that there implies it should be
[20:39:46] <BenoitRen> After it does that, it loads the vesa drivers. o_O
[20:40:05] <DeadYak> every driver's detection routine gets run
[20:40:28] <DeadYak> both BeOS and Haiku work that way, the difference is when app_server starts and decides what accelerant to load, it will look for any non-vesa possibility first
[20:40:41] <DeadYak> the kernel drivers are just publishing the possibilities at that stage
[20:42:04] <CIA-15> zooey * r30516 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/ (TextView.cpp textview_support/StyleBuffer.cpp):
[20:42:04] <CIA-15> Fixing #3040 (DeskCalcs textview showing wrong/multiple styles)
[20:42:04] <CIA-15> * fixed crash in StyleBuffer::SetStyleFromMode() if any of the given pointers
[20:42:04] <CIA-15> is NULL (which is perfectly valid)
[20:42:04] <CIA-15> * BTextView::SetFontAndColor() now syncs the null style before it sets the
[20:42:05] <CIA-15> range, thus making sure that there is only one style if the view is not
[20:42:09] <CIA-15> stylable
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[20:43:02] <BenoitRen> DeadYak: Should I open a ticket and attach the syslog?
[20:43:25] <kirilla> dudes, remind me
[20:43:30] <kirilla> who is zooey
[20:44:02] <DeadYak> kirilla: Oliver Tappe
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[20:44:08] <DeadYak> BenoitRen: yes.
[20:44:12] <kirilla> thanks, DeadYak
[20:44:16] <BenoitRen> Will do.
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[20:44:18] <DeadYak> BenoitRen: just to confirm, how are you looking at /dev/graphics?
[20:44:19] <kirilla> nick mania :P
[20:44:21] <DeadYak> BenoitRen: ls -la?
[20:47:38] <mmadia> BenoitRen : search dev.haiku-os.org for BeZilla   I've posted links for newer builds of BeZillaBrowser, MailNews, Calendar, and Suite.  Suite is a non-official build based on SeaMonkey.
[20:52:39] <miqlas> Hello!
[20:53:08] <BenoitRen> DeadYak: Through the Tracker.
[20:53:14] <DeadYak> BenoitRen: oh
[20:53:17] <DeadYak> BenoitRen: that might not show them
[20:53:30] <DeadYak> BenoitRen: try it with ls -la /dev/graphics from a Terminal please
[20:54:14] <BenoitRen> crw-r--r-- 1 user root        0 Apr 30 20:18 5333_8A10_010000
[20:54:16] <BenoitRen> crw-r--r-- 1 user root        0 Apr 30 20:18 vesa
[20:54:22] <DeadYak> ok
[20:54:25] <DeadYak> so the S3 driver is indeed in use.
[20:54:27] <DeadYak> never mind.
[20:54:52] <BenoitRen> I opened a ticket for nothing. :(
[20:55:45] <DeadYak> I assumed you'd looked at it with Terminal, /dev isn't generally a place I'd expect people to try to nav to with Tracker
[20:58:28] <BenoitRen> So why is Haiku still sluggish? I get massive window tearing and scrolling that's not even close smooth.
[20:58:38] <BenoitRen> The only thing that is smooth is the mouse.
[20:58:44] <BenoitRen> No such problems on Windows.
[20:58:57] <DeadYak> that I don't know, what CPU and how much RAM? just curiosity
[20:59:08] <BenoitRen> I don't think on GNUJ/Linux either, though not as smooth as on Windows.
[20:59:26] <BenoitRen> CPU: Pentium II 233 Mhz, 160 MB of RAM
[20:59:50] <kirilla> smokin'!
[21:00:40] <mmadia> the double buffer'd vesa might be too much for that.
[21:00:58] <Hodapp> Ah, that is almost identical to what used to be my primary desktop
[21:01:08] <Hodapp> except mine only had 96 MB RAM
[21:01:11] <DeadYak> in that case it's quite possibly just suffering due to lack of optimization in Haiku
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[21:01:21] <DeadYak> there's still quite a lot of debugging / sanity checks in the system right now
[21:01:26] <DeadYak> which will also drag it down
[21:01:28] <DeadYak> a lot
[21:01:52] <BenoitRen> Scrolling in About This System is smooth, though.
[21:01:52] <Hodapp> yeah, sanity always dragged me down too
[21:02:15] <DeadYak> Hodapp: sanity is overrated :P
[21:02:21] <Hodapp> exactly!
[21:02:26] <BenoitRen> That makes sense.
[21:03:17] <DeadYak> I'm scared to ask what it's going to run like in Aranym once mmu_man gets that far
[21:03:22] <kirilla> Sanity.. maybe that's a good name for the browser....
[21:03:33] <DeadYak> kirilla: except it's already the name for a scanner frontend
[21:03:38] <BenoitRen> What's Aranym? I've never heard of it.
[21:03:45] <DeadYak> BenoitRen: m68k/atari emulator
[21:03:48] <kirilla> aw crap :)
[21:05:01] <kirilla> (why does a scanner GUI need a name anyway?)
[21:05:15] <CIA-15> axeld * r30517 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/port.cpp:
[21:05:15] <CIA-15> * If getting a new port message failed, we must release the port's write sem
[21:05:15] <CIA-15> again, or else the port loses capacity.
[21:05:15] <CIA-15> * This fixes bug #2720.
[21:05:19] <BenoitRen> If I used my secondary PC much, I'd put Haiku on that too. :)
[21:05:20] <DeadYak> kirilla: iirc the name specifically comes from it being a front end for SANE
[21:06:07] <BenoitRen> Hmm, there's my laptop... But ACPI support isn't good yet, I heard on FOSDEM.
[21:06:47] <DeadYak> ACPI's only really used for probing devices at this point for the most part
[21:06:58] <DeadYak> necessary to be able to detect the cores in a multicore chip for instance
[21:07:25] <DeadYak> there's also a driver for ACPI power buttons iirc, but not really full scale device/resource management and/or power management events
[21:07:36] <BenoitRen> I don't use the battery of my laptop, so I'm really only concerned about it cooling down from time to time.
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[21:08:04] <DeadYak> yeah, ACPI would also include handling CPU speed switch events
[21:08:08] <DeadYak> otherwise things will not be so happy
[21:08:36] <BenoitRen> I mean the blowing to make it cool down.
[21:10:02] <BenoitRen> Anyway, thanks for the help. Bye. :)
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[21:15:11] <expensivelesbian> just out of interest, aside from the classic "because it's there" type response, what is the ultimate aim of the m68k port?
[21:15:46] <DeadYak> expensivelesbian: you just named it :)
[21:15:48] <mmadia> because we can
[21:15:52] <mmadia> :P
[21:15:59] <expensivelesbian> "to run on m68k..." well, I walked into that. I mean, is there some wider exercise, to improve the portability of the kernel with a view to other arches?
[21:16:06] <DeadYak> expensivelesbian: iirc the original commit message adding the start of it was "add m68k port for l33t factor"
[21:16:14] <expensivelesbian> heh, nuff said
[21:16:25] <DeadYak> at least I don't think mmu_man had any serious goal with it other than fun :)
[21:16:53] <DeadYak> though it's interesting from a portability standpoint anyways since the machines it targets have very very different characteristics from a typical x86/PPC machine in terms of sys arch
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[21:16:55] <expensivelesbian> well, I did see my old Atari kicking around. I'd be astonished if Haiku could run on it.
[21:17:00] <DeadYak> so probably helpful for general portability in the long term
[21:17:09] <DeadYak> expensivelesbian: this is targetting the Atari Falcon specifically
[21:17:42] <expensivelesbian> right. ST with a whopping 4MB expansion over here. Those Cubase songs could get quite complex. Well, mine did
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[21:21:14] <kirilla> HeTo: I've been unsuccessful in using makebootabletiny from BeOS to make a Haiku partition bootable.. Is it true that I can dd the first 512bytes from any raw Haiku image to the beginning of the Haiku partition and then run makebootabletiny and have it work?
[21:21:15] <DeadYak> don't think it'll run on the ST, you'd have to ask him though
[21:21:46] <pyCube> i had a couple friends that were atari st freaks.  one of those machines that i always wanted to fiddle with, but couldnt get myself to spend actual money on.  my amiga(s) got all my $$ based attention
[21:22:51] <expensivelesbian> pyCube well, I was more into the music stuff, so vast wealth of music software for Atari sold it to me. Well, my dad
[21:23:47] <pyCube> i used my amigas for music too.. hehe
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[21:24:16] <pyCube> i used octamed for tracker style midi sequencing
[21:24:28] <pyCube> worked really well, actually
[21:24:40] <DeadYak> I knew quite a few people that were addicted to iirc ScreamTracker on the Amiga
[21:24:43] <DeadYak> at least I think that was the name
[21:25:12] <pyCube> it was the midi abilities of octamed that hooked me
[21:25:46] <pyCube> 4 tracks of sample playback, plus unlimited(ish) midi tracks
[21:25:57] <kirilla> noisetracker? fasttracker?
[21:26:36] <DeadYak> fasttracker was the one with the .mod format no?
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[21:26:46] <pyCube> most could read mod format, iirc
[21:26:54] <kirilla> there was a protracker too, IIRC
[21:27:33] <kirilla> fish disks :)
[21:28:04] <pyCube> heh.. when i got my amga cdtv, it came with a sweet fredfish cdrom
[21:28:18] <kirilla> those public domain floppies, did they come with source?
[21:28:28] <DeadYak> kirilla: fish disks as in Fred Fish's ports?
[21:28:44] <kirilla> yeah
[21:28:52] <DeadYak> those at least had source on his sites
[21:28:55] <DeadYak> geekgadgets.org no?
[21:29:11] <kirilla> I never used those really.. I was kid and more into games and fun :)
[21:29:52] <kirilla> but I liked the idea of public domain and still do
[21:30:07] <kirilla> (unlike GPL strongarming)
[21:32:11] <kirilla> is tqh an Amigan?
[21:32:17] <DeadYak> possibly
[21:32:18] * DeadYak pokes tqh
[21:32:28] <DeadYak> I believe Axel was :)
[21:32:37] <kirilla> yeah, that I know
[21:34:03] <MindChild> Axel Foley or Axel Rose?
[21:34:38] <JonathanThompson> Axel Foley Catheter :D
[21:34:59] <pyCube> somebody could do a cheese rock cover of axel-f
[21:35:00] <HeTo> kirilla: that's how it should work
[21:35:24] <HeTo> IIRC the superblock was part of the second block
[21:35:37] <kirilla> thanks HeTo, i wasn't aware that was how you should use it
[21:36:07] <HeTo> although might have to check on that, if it's part of the first block, there might be problems if the file systems don't have the same size or block size
[21:36:45] <kirilla> Haiku needs sounds and music
[21:37:08] <kirilla> good stuff of course
[21:37:42] <pyCube> princes 'tonight we're gonna party like its 1999' is the haiku theme song.. i demand that it be so
[21:37:43] <kirilla> like Mac sounds on meth - wildeep
[21:37:55] <kirilla> lol pyCube
[21:38:13] <pyCube> at least for r1
[21:38:24] <kirilla> yeah.. skip R1 and lets do Haiku R6!
[21:38:26] <DeadYak> pyCube: I can never hear that song without having Amish Paradise go through my head
[21:38:43] <pyCube> heh.. ok
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[21:38:56] <HeTo> yes the superblock is in the beginning of the second block, so no problems there either
[21:39:09] <DeadYak> "And if I finish all of my chores, and you finish thine, then tonight we're gonna party like it's 1699!"
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[21:39:21] <kirilla> good, so first 512 should be safe
[21:40:13] <pyCube> ah
[21:40:32] <expensivelesbian> pyCube that would motivate me to compute, those opening 1999 chords
[21:40:33] <mmu_man> DeadYak Weird Al \o/
[21:40:36] <kirilla> mmu_man: how come in build/jam/BuildSetup there are two different m68k kernel configs.. one PIC and one no-PIC
[21:40:43] <DeadYak> mmu_man: precisely :)
[21:40:55] <mmu_man> kirilla hmm some commented leftovers ?
[21:41:07] <kirilla> is it?
[21:41:08] <mmu_man> or maybe one for kernel and one for userland ?
[21:41:09] <pfoetchen> hm the Atari Coldfire Project started again yesterday that would be quite cool to have the m68k port on it http://acp.atari.org/news_de.html (page is in german...)
[21:41:22] <mmu_man> CF != m68k
[21:41:25] <DeadYak> mmu_man: weren't you having problems with PIC at one point?
[21:41:41] <mmu_man> yeah
[21:41:47] <mmu_man> with kernel code
[21:42:07] <kirilla> mmu_man:  There's a section ... if $(HOST_ARCH) = m68k {
[21:42:15] <kirilla> and a section if $(HAIKU_ARCH) = m68k {
[21:42:58] <mmu_man> pfoetchen there is a french one if you prefer: http://acp.atari.org/news_fr.html
[21:43:24] <mmu_man> kirilla hmm that likely copies whatever is from other archs
[21:43:41] <pfoetchen> mmu_man I know they are not the same but quite similar (ok the hardware is not out yet and will probably not be out for some time ;) )
[21:43:55] <mmu_man> one is for target, the other is for building from it, in case someone ever wants to build Haiku from Haiku on m68k :p
[21:43:59] <DeadYak> I thought Coldfire was quit different
[21:44:02] <DeadYak> quite*
[21:44:18] <mmu_man> it strips many of the 68k opcodes AFAIK
[21:44:23] <mmu_man> FPU is !=
[21:44:27] <mmu_man> not even sure it has an mmu
[21:44:56] <DeadYak> "When compared to classic 68k hardware, the instruction set differs mainly in that it no longer has support for the binary-coded decimal (BCD) packed data format; it removes a number of other, less used instructions; and most instructions that are kept support fewer addressing modes. Also, floating point intermediates are 64 bits and not 80 bits as in the 68881 and 68882. The instructions are only 16, 32, or 48 bits long, a simplification compared to
[21:44:58] <DeadYak> the 68000 series."
[21:45:05] <kirilla> mmu_man: self-hosting on Falcon :)
[21:45:29] <DeadYak> mmu_man: seems to imply 68851 MMU
[21:45:40] <pfoetchen> the one they want to use has an mmu afaik
[21:45:43] <DeadYak> maybe I'm misreading this page though
[21:45:57] <DeadYak> no, I misread
[21:45:59] <DeadYak> never mind
[21:46:09] <mmu_man> DeadYak oh actually http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9661926940.html
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[21:47:14] <DeadYak> http://www.microapl.co.uk/Porting/ColdFire/cf_68k_diffs.html
[21:47:54] <mmu_man> well most of the port is plain C, so it should be doable
[21:48:38] <mmu_man> Missing instructions : CAS, CAS2, TAS (restored in V4 core),
[21:49:15] <mmu_man> still needed even without SMP, for atomic ops since they must not be interrupted by IRQs either
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[21:54:32] <CIA-15> zooey * r30518 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/TextView.cpp:
[21:54:32] <CIA-15> Fixed a bug reported by kirilla:
[21:54:32] <CIA-15> * the textview now only initiates a drag after the mouse has been moved to
[21:54:32] <CIA-15> another offset, making it possible to click into the selection in order to
[21:54:32] <CIA-15> position the caret at the offset corresponding to the point of the click
[21:54:33] <CIA-15> (just as R5 does it)
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[22:17:21] <CIA-15> zooey * r30519 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/TextView.cpp:
[22:17:21] <CIA-15> * textviews that aren't editable no longer perform cut or paste actions (again
[22:17:21] <CIA-15> reported by kirilla, thanks!)
[22:17:21] <CIA-15> * when tracking the mouse in order to detect drags, it is not necessary to
[22:17:21] <CIA-15> check if the pointer is within the selection, as that causes problems when
[22:17:22] <CIA-15> you e.g. click on the border of the selection and then move the mouse outside
[22:17:26] <CIA-15> of it (we'd still want to initiate a drag in that case)
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[22:21:57] <helf2> hi
[22:22:54] * JonathanThompson poits helf2
[22:23:01] <helf2> I love good air coolers :D
[22:23:24] <helf2> my granddads tower is running at 4.32ghz up from 3.2ghz with no voltage change rock solid. cooler is even staying cool to the touch
[22:24:06] <mmadia> that's cool :)
[22:24:55] <helf2> wouldnt run stable at 4.8 ;)
[22:25:04] <helf2> too bad the board wont let me adjust voltages
[22:25:27] <helf2> anyways, its a lot snappier now. now he cant complain about it "being slow"
[22:25:39] <JonathanThompson> P4?
[22:25:46] <helf2> yeah
[22:26:09] <JonathanThompson> I bet it still heats the room ;)
[22:26:29] <helf2> it really doesnt put out much heat
[22:26:51] <JonathanThompson> Run SETI :P
[22:27:05] <helf2> that is the most pointless program :P
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[22:35:37] <aurynn> no it's not
[22:36:26] <helf2> im all for finding extraterrestial life, but im pretty sure all the processing power and resources being consumed running SETI@Home would probably be better spent at the moment on something like folding@home
[22:36:41] * JonathanThompson folds helf2's home
[22:37:20] <geist> helf2: wait about a week, he'll complain about it "being dead"
[22:37:28] <helf2> heh
[22:37:29] <helf2> probably
[22:43:06] <helf2> bbl
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[22:43:09] * JonathanThompson starts building the coffin now, so helf2 has a custom-built one available for purchase as needed, for a small fee
[22:43:12] <JonathanThompson> D'OH!
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[22:46:37] <stpere> man, I buried of work once more :-\
[22:46:46] <stpere> two jobs to do for tomorrow
[22:46:48] <stpere> grr
[22:47:01] <stpere> I'm*
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[23:00:13] <pyCube> stuff
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[23:20:42] <miqlas> I got this error: http://haiku.pastebin.com/m60f1e683
[23:20:50] <miqlas> These things not implemented yet?
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[23:21:47] <mmadia> gethostbyname seems to be from not linking -lnetwork
[23:22:06] <mmadia> maybe LDFLAGS += -lnetwork or  LIBS += -lnetwork
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[23:40:36] <AnEvilYak> mmadia: the rep_ prefix would seem to indicate they're wrappers somewhere in the samba code though
[23:41:53] <mmadia> ah.
[23:43:26] <MrSunshine_> is mmlr ever on irc ? :)
[23:43:36] <mmu_man> http://revolf.free.fr/qdn/AllYourNet/AllYourNetAreBelong.png
[23:43:40] <AnEvilYak> on occasion, lately he's busy off and on again with setting up his business though
[23:43:48] <AnEvilYak> you'd be better off just emailing him
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