April 1, 2009 
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April 1, 2009 [00:00:00] *** atomoH has joined #haiku[00:00:48] <cps1966> heck no[00:00:57] <mmadia> Disreali : so it does... i typically always have an instance open. wanna make a ticket at http://ports.haiku-files.org/newticket? there's a www-client / mozilla-firefox component[00:01:14] <Disreali> sure[00:01:21] *** Sryche has quit IRC[00:01:32] <mmadia> any interest in getting back to mozilla development? :D[00:01:36] *** MichaelDe has joined #haiku[00:02:19] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[00:03:22] <Disreali> mmadia, I just noticed after two tries, clicking the link now opens a blank instance that is almost off screen in the top left corner.[00:03:54] <Disreali> mmadia, all I ever did was compile builds[00:04:13] <mmadia> ah, same boat as me now.[00:05:31] <Disreali> though, in the weeks since I got my new system and started playing with Haiku, I've got the itch to try helping with the FF3.x dependencies[00:05:31] <mmadia> if you ever get curious, I'm using HaikuPorts to hold build instructions, patches, etc...[00:06:42] <mmadia> umccullough would be the person to talk to about that. So far, he's put a good amount of work into Cairo, but he's needs help from someone with stronger c/c++ skills.[00:07:07] <Disreali> I was looking at Haiku-Ports this past week. I just can't stand the Trac system, yet both haiku-ports and dev-haiku use it.[00:08:07] <Disreali> mmadia, I have no programing skills. All I learned was the bare minimum to compile mozilla[00:08:35] *** preeth19871 has left #haiku[00:09:52] <Disreali> mmadia, brb. the microwave calls me for questionably processed food like substance[00:10:19] <mmadia> mmm.... sustenance[00:11:50] <BePhantom> questionably processed food is the best :D[00:12:49] <luroh> mmadia: nice job closing stale old tickets, i'm focusing on existing tickets for a while as well[00:12:59] <luroh> g'nite![00:13:04] <mmadia> 'night[00:13:05] *** emitrax has quit IRC[00:13:12] *** luroh has quit IRC[00:14:16] <_olaf> so, i was reading, and apparently zeta has ndis support[00:14:27] <_olaf> which maybe be able to run my windows wifi drivers?[00:14:32] <_olaf> how exactly does that work?[00:15:28] <_olaf> (i still have zeta zipped up with all of its updates)[00:15:31] * mmadia has no idea[00:16:47] <_olaf> bleh :|[00:17:36] *** redblue has joined #haiku[00:20:15] <AlienSoldier> _olaf mmu_man might know this[00:20:34] *** atomoH has quit IRC[00:21:28] <_olaf> mmu_man, any idea? :)[00:25:53] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[00:32:13] *** dchis has joined #haiku[00:41:05] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[00:44:20] *** buzzosleep is now known as buzzomatic[00:47:14] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[00:47:46] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[00:57:05] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[01:06:23] *** awpeter has quit IRC[01:10:35] *** wildur has quit IRC[01:11:20] <AnEvilYak> iirc the ndis support only really worked for a small handful of specific drivers[01:11:47] <AnEvilYak> it wasn't complete enough to run just any random windows wifi driver[01:11:57] <_olaf> mmm, okay[01:11:59] <AnEvilYak> mainly older centrino iirc[01:12:28] <AnEvilYak> and even then wasn't entirely stable[01:21:25] *** dchis has quit IRC[01:22:57] <Disreali> mmadia, you still here?[01:25:49] <mmadia> yeah.[01:26:56] <Disreali> how do I register at haiku-ports?[01:27:21] <Disreali> there is no thing that I can find to register[01:27:39] <aldeck> you have to ask brecht iirc[01:27:49] <Disreali> huh??[01:28:06] <aldeck> brecht machiels (spelling?)[01:28:46] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[01:29:10] <mmadia> brechtm[01:29:26] <mmadia> i'll PM you his address.[01:29:34] <Disreali> I don't mean to be a pain but, where on the site does it mention this?[01:29:42] <Disreali> ok[01:29:45] <mmadia> most likely it doesnt :)[01:30:31] <Disreali> well that is not helpful to those of us who want to help[01:30:56] <aldeck> that's an anti bot technique :P[01:31:35] <mmadia> I agree. there's a lot of website issues between HaikuPorts , www.haiku-os.org, and dev.haiku-os.org that need to be improved upon.[01:31:38] <Disreali> it's an anti everyone technique[01:32:12] <aldeck> got my account in a day[01:34:27] *** paul0 has quit IRC[01:37:38] *** evdubs has joined #haiku[01:39:56] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[01:41:30] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[01:43:23] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[01:43:27] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[01:44:05] *** evdubs has left #haiku[01:44:13] *** evdubs has joined #haiku[01:53:18] *** nibble has joined #haiku[02:05:38] *** judgen has quit IRC[02:07:24] *** fcr has joined #haiku[02:08:46] *** Guest50408 has quit IRC[02:09:03] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[02:09:24] <plfiorini> http://www.abacocomputers.com/Computer-Desktop.html[02:09:42] <CIA-15> bonefish * r29844 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/userlandfs/server/fuse/ (7 files): Parse the FUSE library options. They aren't used yet, though.[02:09:52] <plfiorini> wondering if it's april fools... a computer at 99 euro, it might be my Haiku only PC[02:12:16] <mmadia> even for an Atom, that's a good deal considering it looks like a nice case.[02:12:33] <mmadia> though, the atom is only single core + 512mb[02:12:39] *** sarmale has joined #haiku[02:13:03] * mmadia greets sarmale[02:13:08] *** sarmale is now known as Guest97295[02:18:00] *** oco has quit IRC[02:25:44] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[02:45:37] <mmu_man> plop[02:49:37] *** redblue has quit IRC[02:53:20] *** nibble has quit IRC[02:53:25] *** nibble has joined #haiku[03:01:02] <mmu_man> zz[03:01:13] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[03:02:49] *** Kokito has quit IRC[03:02:56] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[03:03:45] *** nibble is now known as nibble\microsoft[03:04:00] *** nibble\microsoft is now known as nibble\mcsa[03:09:33] *** aldeck has quit IRC[03:10:10] *** ulterior_modem has quit IRC[03:10:31] *** redblue has joined #haiku[03:11:11] *** ulterior_modem has joined #Haiku[03:13:41] *** M199 has joined #haiku[03:15:29] *** MichaelDe is now known as MichaelDev[03:16:40] *** Sikosis has joined #haiku[03:16:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sikosis[03:17:24] <Sikosis> anyone know what happened to Haiku Hungary's web site ?[03:17:55] <cps1966> it ate itself[03:18:20] <Sikosis> lol got hungry eh :)[03:18:30] <cps1966> yeah hehe[03:18:35] <Sikosis> it was here -> http://beos.mukodik.hu ... but no more[03:19:17] <cps1966> asking for login[03:20:55] *** Andrwes has joined #haiku[03:21:21] *** Andrwes has quit IRC[03:24:12] *** Master199 has quit IRC[03:25:49] *** xRaich[o]2x has joined #haiku[03:30:08] *** ulterior_modem has quit IRC[03:30:57] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[03:31:18] *** ulterior_modem has joined #Haiku[03:41:22] *** ulterior_modem has quit IRC[03:43:33] *** ulterior_modem has joined #Haiku[03:46:24] *** ulterior_modem_ has joined #Haiku[04:00:51] *** BePhantom has quit IRC[04:02:33] *** wthww has joined 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quit IRC[08:16:22] <ulterior_modem> hello[08:23:38] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[08:33:04] *** jlaire has joined #haiku[08:38:04] *** redblue has joined #haiku[08:44:40] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[08:50:37] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[08:55:51] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[08:56:07] *** simon_ has joined #haiku[09:01:03] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[09:01:04] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[09:01:52] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[09:02:41] *** ThomasShirley has joined #haiku[09:17:44] *** thebolt_away is now known as thebolt[09:25:27] *** darbelo has left #haiku[09:30:45] *** ThomasShirley has quit IRC[09:35:21] *** expensivelesbian has joined #haiku[09:42:38] *** thebolt is now known as thebolt_away[09:45:36] <Teknomancer> morning[09:59:35] <andrerav> herro :3[10:17:03] *** expensivelesbian has left #haiku[10:30:45] *** Duggan has joined #haiku[10:30:54] <Duggan> greetings all[10:31:32] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[10:41:29] *** octagon has joined #haiku[10:42:01] *** octagon is 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Strings are compared in chunks where the type of each chunk can be[11:26:43] <CIA-15> numer or string. Thanks a lot![11:30:26] *** adamk has joined #haiku[11:38:59] *** glootech has joined #haiku[12:02:19] *** xRaich[o]2x has quit IRC[12:06:12] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[12:22:32] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[12:26:43] <CIA-15> stippi * r29846 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/servers/app/playground/ (ObjectWindow.cpp ObjectWindow.h main.cpp):[12:26:43] <CIA-15> Patch by maxime.simon: Make Playground use a BColorControl instead of those[12:26:43] <CIA-15> text controls for defining the color. Thanks a lot! (Also took the opportunity[12:26:43] <CIA-15> to fix some coding style violations which had already been there.)[12:26:48] *** Negr0 has joined #haiku[12:33:05] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[12:35:09] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[12:36:02] *** senry-user has joined #Haiku[12:36:44] *** senry-user has quit IRC[12:47:22] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[12:51:03] *** adamk__ has joined #haiku[12:51:45] *** adamk__ has quit IRC[12:52:06] *** adamk has quit IRC[12:52:19] *** Negr0 has quit IRC[13:06:07] *** glootech has quit IRC[13:06:08] *** johndrinkwater has quit IRC[13:06:08] *** kallisti5 has quit IRC[13:06:20] *** glootech has joined #haiku[13:06:20] *** johndrinkwater has joined #haiku[13:06:20] *** kallisti5 has joined #haiku[13:06:27] *** glootech_ has joined #haiku[13:09:30] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[13:10:52] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[13:13:12] *** plasm has left #haiku[13:14:35] *** adamk has joined #haiku[13:24:14] *** glootech has quit IRC[13:27:15] *** andybe has joined #haiku[13:41:07] *** glootech_ has quit IRC[13:41:32] *** glootech_ has joined #haiku[13:45:48] *** ulterior_modem has quit IRC[13:48:06] *** ulterior_modem has joined #Haiku[13:48:25] *** ulterior_modem has quit IRC[13:49:08] *** ulterior_modem has joined #Haiku[13:50:22] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[13:50:30] * JonathanThompson poits mmadia[13:51:17] * mmadia mumbles out a good morning[13:52:18] *** preeth1987 has joined #haiku[13:54:12] <Ingenu> oy[13:54:30] <JonathanThompson> yo[13:54:37] * JonathanThompson mirrors Ingenu[13:55:42] *** miqlas has quit IRC[13:56:06] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[13:57:52] <Ingenu> horizontal mirroring is for pussies ;p[13:58:02] <Ingenu> vertical mirroring is for real men[13:58:08] <Ingenu> mmh[13:58:12] <Ingenu> or the other way around[13:58:22] <Ingenu> still waiting for my chicken to be ready[13:58:36] <Ingenu> 1:30 hour(s) after usual lunch time[13:58:38] <mmadia> 18 applications for GSoC![13:58:45] * JonathanThompson thinks perhaps Ingenu already has a ready chicken :P[13:58:48] <Ingenu> beware might be April Fools[13:59:08] * Ingenu thinks JonathanThompson should see his latest great code line[13:59:22] <JonathanThompson> Uh oh...[13:59:34] <Ingenu> while ( !m_atpPrevious->m_mxLinks.try_lock() );[13:59:41] <Ingenu> spinning over spin lock ![13:59:42] <Ingenu> yeah ![13:59:57] <JonathanThompson> Oh, joy: where'd you find that gem?[14:00:03] <Ingenu> at means atomic, so in fact every iteration the previous pointer might change[14:00:21] * JonathanThompson hopes Ingenu didn't write that[14:00:57] <Ingenu> I did, just for fun, I was trying to implement Thread-Safe Doubly Linked List. Not even tried it, I know how wrong it looks just by thinking it ^^[14:01:14] <Ingenu> when I reached that point, I figured I wasn't on the right track[14:01:21] * JonathanThompson slaps Ingenu sillier than normal[14:01:36] <JonathanThompson> Ingenu: have you read/heard about lockless data structures?[14:01:49] <Ingenu> atm I'm just locking the whole list (which in the specific use case is just fine anyway)[14:01:58] <Ingenu> yeah[14:02:21] *** nibble has joined #haiku[14:02:29] <Ingenu> the thing is that I've not found a Thread-Safe Doubly Linked List[14:02:40] <Ingenu> and some of the code out there is fucking wrong[14:02:56] <Ingenu> I've seen horrors like using std::list<T>::iterator like it was atomic[14:02:58] <Ingenu> seriously[14:03:06] <JonathanThompson> ...[14:03:15] <Ingenu> gimme a break, if you don't know shit about multi-threading don't write silly code[14:03:21] <Ingenu> and above all, just don't post it[14:03:52] <Ingenu> anyway, I've came across a paper about Doubly Linked List seemingly lockless[14:03:56] <Ingenu> not read it through yet[14:04:20] <Ingenu> as I said, in my very specific case I don't need low granularity[14:04:38] <Ingenu> but I'm always very sceptical about thread-safe code[14:04:52] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps not, but it'd be nice to not need locks at all, and still have the correct multithreaded semantics ;)[14:04:57] <Ingenu> a common error is to believe volatile is of any use[14:04:57] <Teknomancer> B_UTF8_ELLIPSIS[14:05:13] <Ingenu> I code with locks[14:05:23] * JonathanThompson read that as B_WTF8_ELLIPSIS[14:05:28] <Ingenu> better safe than sorry, beside you can still have small granularity[14:05:32] <JonathanThompson> See what happens, Ingenu ? :)[14:05:47] <Ingenu> :p[14:14:33] *** ekdahl has left #haiku[14:16:03] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[14:26:49] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[14:31:30] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[14:31:53] <CIA-15> stippi * r29847 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/ScrollView.cpp:[14:31:53] <CIA-15> * B_SUPPORTS_LAYOUT is already added by the BView consturctor.[14:31:53] <CIA-15> * Fixed MaxSize() and PreferredSize() to use the correct explicitly set size.[14:33:15] <CIA-15> stippi * r29848 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Make BColumnListView layout-friendly.[14:37:53] <CIA-15> stippi * r29849 /haiku/trunk/ (headers/os/interface/Region.h src/kits/interface/Region.cpp):[14:37:53] <CIA-15> Patch by Brecht Machiels: Add operator==() to BRegion. Thanks a lot![14:37:53] <CIA-15> Also fixed some coding style inconsistency.[14:39:58] *** redblue has quit IRC[14:40:19] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[14:53:17] *** stippi has joined #haiku[14:53:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[14:58:32] *** stippi has quit IRC[15:08:28] *** arjen has joined #haiku[15:12:26] <helf> hi[15:13:01] <mmadia> moo[15:13:38] <helf> anyone by any rare chance have the user manual to a Wacom SD-420E? :P[15:15:08] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[15:18:37] *** match has joined #haiku[15:22:10] <helf> ...and that isnt an april fools question. I really need one :P[15:24:30] *** Colin_Finck has joined #haiku[15:30:40] <Ingenu> you could try to ask google whether there's an eletronic version online[15:31:36] <helf> I did[15:31:39] <Ingenu> http://www.wacom-asia.com/aptky/606/SD310_320_420_Manual.pdf[15:31:39] <helf> couldn't find a copy[15:31:40] <Ingenu> ?[15:31:44] <helf> ...[15:31:46] <helf> i hate you[15:31:46] <helf> :P[15:31:52] * helf bows to your googling skills[15:32:10] <Ingenu> just typed "Wacom SD-420E manual"[15:32:15] <helf> thats what i did![15:32:22] *** Paradoxon has joined #haiku[15:32:33] <helf> oh well, thanks :)[15:32:38] <Ingenu> you're welcome :)[15:33:12] <helf> Cool, now maybe I can figure out why my NeXT keeps locking up with it[15:37:24] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[15:38:36] *** glootech__ has joined #haiku[15:39:05] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[15:41:25] *** Colin_Finck has quit IRC[15:48:29] *** nibble has quit IRC[15:56:41] *** glootech_ has quit IRC[16:02:48] <CIA-15> axeld * r29850 /haiku/trunk/src/data/etc/keymaps/ (22 files):[16:02:48] <CIA-15> * Keymap names can have spaces, and so they do now (a must even, since they[16:02:48] <CIA-15> are directly presented to the user this way).[16:03:10] <helf> aaah. new print heads finalyl got here[16:06:19] *** Geoz has joined #haiku[16:10:41] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[16:15:37] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[16:19:51] <helf> morning, DeadYak[16:20:01] <DeadYak> hiya[16:23:41] *** simon_ has left #haiku[16:27:59] *** Disreali has joined #haiku[16:33:48] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[16:37:56] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[16:44:17] *** andreas_dr has joined #haiku[16:46:14] * JonathanThompson poits helf in open combat[16:47:51] *** Sryche has joined #haiku[16:50:18] *** preeth19871 has joined #haiku[16:50:44] <Ingenu> bleh[16:50:48] *** luroh has joined #haiku[16:51:29] *** preeth1987 has quit IRC[16:53:52] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[16:57:27] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[17:02:20] *** absabs has joined #haiku[17:04:53] *** vision2 has joined #haiku[17:05:16] *** vision2 is now known as darc[17:05:59] *** darc is now known as darrell[17:06:41] *** darrell has left #haiku[17:07:44] *** linux_luvr has joined #haiku[17:08:16] <linux_luvr> hi[17:13:26] <DeadYak> hi[17:14:40] <aurynn> bacon[17:15:02] *** pyCube has quit IRC[17:15:14] <DeadYak> mmm...bacon[17:15:25] <linux_luvr> i like bacon[17:15:39] *** megaf has joined #haiku[17:17:21] <linux_luvr> looks a little slow here at the moment[17:18:48] <HeTo> http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/squeez-bacon.html[17:23:40] *** DmitryM2499 has quit IRC[17:23:41] <DeadYak> varies by day[17:23:49] <DeadYak> HeTo: saw that, I'm more amused by the portal shirts[17:24:09] *** leszek has joined #haiku[17:24:32] <leszek> hi[17:26:04] <linux_luvr> yeah i would imagine[17:27:22] <DeadYak> linux_luvr: there tends to be more activity here later in the day[17:27:30] <DeadYak> were you looking for something in particular?[17:27:56] <linux_luvr> not really.. first time here.. just checking it out[17:28:12] <linux_luvr> gonna try to write some small apps for haiku if i can ever figure the darn thing out[17:28:13] <linux_luvr> lol[17:28:25] <DeadYak> need API docs?[17:28:56] <linux_luvr> are there changes between those and the BeOS api docs ?? like updated ?[17:29:10] <DeadYak> there are quite a few extra things added[17:29:18] <DeadYak> to varying levels of documentation currently though[17:29:24] <DeadYak> i.e. the layout stuff has some decent getting started articles[17:29:28] *** mmadia has quit IRC[17:29:49] <linux_luvr> i'm a delphi programmer .. spent the last while learning c++ and trying to learn the BeOS way of doing it[17:30:04] <DeadYak> ahh[17:30:14] <DeadYak> there's a PDF of the old "Programming the BeOS" book out there[17:30:14] <aurynn> poor bastard. :P[17:30:18] <linux_luvr> been following haiku for a couple years now .. just in a vm[17:30:21] <DeadYak> eh, Delphi's not that bad[17:30:24] <linux_luvr> never installed it yet[17:30:49] <DeadYak> linux_luvr: otherwise, there's also the API docs at http://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/[17:30:55] <DeadYak> but those are more of a reference[17:30:56] <linux_luvr> delphi is fun.. but it spoils ya cause it is sooooo easy[17:31:05] <HeTo> linux_luvr: Linux lover yet never programmed with anything besides Delphi/Kylix?[17:31:26] <DeadYak> http://oreilly.com/catalog/beosprog/book/ - there's Programming the BeOS[17:32:01] <DeadYak> there's usually people in here or #haiku-dev if you have development questions in any case[17:32:03] <linux_luvr> HeTo -> not really.. started with pascal back before oop existed.. worked with that and just kept going from there.. done a bit of assembly that was pretty limited.. thankfully.. lol[17:32:26] <linux_luvr> yeah i have the old BeOS programming books you mentioned[17:32:34] <linux_luvr> i been a long time hobby user of beos[17:32:39] <linux_luvr> using max right now actually[17:32:50] <linux_luvr> have a purchased copy of zeta too[17:32:51] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[17:32:51] <DeadYak> okeydoke[17:33:01] <DeadYak> just making sure since you mentioned trying to wrap your head around how it works[17:33:48] <linux_luvr> yeah thanks. just gonna take lots of reading i would imagine.. and a few stupid failures lol[17:33:52] <andreas_dr> btw has somebody a pdf or html offline version of "http://oreilly.com/catalog/beosprog/book/" ?[17:34:20] <linux_luvr> I have that pdf[17:34:59] <andreas_dr> a single pdf? can you upload it somewhere and tell us the link?[17:35:09] <Begasus> plop[17:35:13] <linux_luvr> and i think i have the offline html version... it is included in max[17:35:15] <DeadYak> andreas_dr: that page has PDFs of each chapter[17:35:49] <linux_luvr> i have a single pdf of the whole book if you want it[17:35:55] <andreas_dr> i know. but a singlepdf would be great[17:36:00] <andreas_dr> i want it :)[17:36:05] *** leszek has quit IRC[17:36:10] <andreas_dr> send it to "andreas at drewke dot net"[17:36:16] <andreas_dr> please :)[17:36:16] <linux_luvr> ok[17:36:19] <andreas_dr> thanx in advance[17:36:24] <DeadYak> don't have one sorry[17:36:30] <linux_luvr> no prob... sending it now[17:37:09] <andreas_dr> thanx[17:38:00] <linux_luvr> yw[17:38:07] <andreas_dr> ok i did not want to disturb your talk[17:38:19] <linux_luvr> no worries[17:38:24] *** pimenta has joined #haiku[17:38:51] <linux_luvr> i am assuming anything i write on max will run on haiku.. they are supposed to be mostly binary compatible right[17:39:03] <umccullough> yrp[17:39:05] <umccullough> yep even[17:39:11] <linux_luvr> not that I think i will have anything really useful yet for a while[17:39:25] <DeadYak> linux_luvr: binary, mostly, source, not necessarily as much, though changes will generally be minimal[17:40:04] <linux_luvr> i been using haiku in a vm.. havent been able to get anything to build right though[17:40:12] <linux_luvr> likely cause i'm just doing something wrong[17:40:42] <linux_luvr> gonna try to install it to a drive in the next litlle while[17:40:48] <linux_luvr> see if i have better luck[17:41:22] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[17:42:04] <Begasus> andreas_dr, did you recieve the email?[17:42:21] <andreas_dr> linux_luvr - are you from germany? i have a good german c++ book[17:42:25] <andreas_dr> as pdf[17:42:32] <linux_luvr> no i am from canada[17:42:55] <andreas_dr> ok.[17:43:03] <andreas_dr> i received the book. thank you[17:43:05] <linux_luvr> thanks tho[17:43:12] <linux_luvr> did you get the pdf i just sent?[17:43:19] <andreas_dr> yes i received the pdf[17:43:23] <linux_luvr> ok good[17:43:49] <linux_luvr> why do you guys use for development on haiku ?[17:44:07] <DeadYak> I'm assuming you meant "what"?[17:44:18] <linux_luvr> oh. .. sorry.. yes I did[17:44:23] <linux_luvr> as in for an IDE[17:44:32] <linux_luvr> mostly use Pe ?? BeIDE ?? Paladin??[17:44:57] <linux_luvr> remember .. i'm spoiled by delphi.. there isnt a comparable ide for haiku[17:44:58] <DeadYak> I just use Pe + jam / gdb here[17:45:32] <linux_luvr> yeah i pretty much been using Pe[17:45:38] <CIA-15> axeld * r29851 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/keymap/ (KeyboardLayoutView.cpp KeymapWindow.cpp):[17:45:38] <CIA-15> * Now accepts only the first character that is dropped on a key.[17:45:38] <CIA-15> * Also, escaped strings (like those from CharacterMap) are now converted[17:45:38] <CIA-15> automatically.[17:45:39] <linux_luvr> a lot of extra code to write that way tho[17:45:42] <DeadYak> I'm not the biggest fan of IDEs myself though[17:46:05] <linux_luvr> they make us lazy... but it is faster[17:47:00] <DeadYak> linux_luvr: depends on what you're doing really, that's one area where life's a bit easier on Haiku though since we actually have a layout engine[17:47:53] <linux_luvr> do you code using haiku as your platform[17:47:57] <linux_luvr> or something else?[17:48:04] *** megaf has quit IRC[17:48:06] <linux_luvr> like max[17:48:47] <DeadYak> I use haiku here[17:49:00] <umccullough> linux + haiku here[17:49:17] <DeadYak> well, haiku and FreeBSD here, just depends on what I'm changing[17:49:27] <DeadYak> if it's kernel related where there'll be a lot of reboots, FreeBSD[17:49:33] <linux_luvr> i'm using linux as my main box but max on a seperate here via kvm[17:49:50] <umccullough> haiku pretty much blows away beos max :/[17:49:58] <umccullough> performance wise[17:49:58] <linux_luvr> yeah i can imagine[17:50:19] <linux_luvr> just haven't been willing to mess up my max install to install haiku yet[17:50:19] <umccullough> at least for compiling, etc.[17:51:27] <linux_luvr> nice.. i'm planning to try to find an old small drive if i can and put haiku on it[17:51:39] <linux_luvr> dont know if it will go onto the machine i'm gonna try tho[17:51:40] <umccullough> anyhow, i'm off to work, ttyl[17:51:42] <linux_luvr> i'm doubting it[17:51:45] <linux_luvr> ttyl[17:51:48] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[17:52:00] <CIA-15> axeld * r29852 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/charactermap/ (CharacterView.cpp CharacterView.h CharacterWindow.cpp):[17:52:00] <CIA-15> * Added support for copying characters into the clipboard via Command-C, and[17:52:00] <CIA-15> a popup menu.[17:52:19] *** megaf has joined #haiku[17:54:19] <linux_luvr> is there sata support as yet??[17:55:29] <DeadYak> yes.[17:55:35] <DeadYak> has been for something like a year[17:55:49] <linux_luvr> for what chips ?[17:55:57] <DeadYak> AHCI, nforce sata and a few others[17:56:25] <linux_luvr> i have an ecs black series board .. amd quad I want to try to get it to run on[17:56:46] <linux_luvr> 4 gig ram[17:56:55] <DeadYak> tried booting via usb stick?[17:56:59] <DeadYak> should be the easiest way to tell[17:57:11] <linux_luvr> no i havent tried that[17:57:26] <linux_luvr> havent tried booting it at all yet other than vm[17:57:53] <linux_luvr> i might do that today actually[17:59:00] *** hisoka999 has joined #haiku[17:59:08] *** phadin has quit IRC[17:59:34] <linux_luvr> you mentioned the update api books for haiku... they on the website somewhere?[18:00:04] <DeadYak> that varies, there's a getting started article for the new layout stuff[18:00:13] <DeadYak> but not anything formal like the Be Book (yet)[18:00:15] <CIA-15> stippi * r29853 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/Region.cpp: Fixed a few more coding style issues, thanks Axel![18:00:44] <DeadYak> http://www.haiku-os.org/documents/dev/laying_it_all_out_part_1[18:00:50] <DeadYak> http://www.haiku-os.org/documents/dev/index - may also be helpful[18:00:54] <linux_luvr> yeah i read thru a lot of the stuff on the site[18:01:08] <linux_luvr> thanks i'll dig thru em[18:01:13] <DeadYak> np[18:02:48] <aurynn> haiku needs InterfaceBuilder.[18:03:48] <linux_luvr> so gcc4 on haiku... better to use that .. or still the 2.95 ?? i know the gcc4 stuff wont run on beos but what is the route haiku is officially taking 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create apps .. but it is probably better for me to do them by hand so i can learn all the ins and outs better[18:09:54] <linux_luvr> either way .. i would like to do some dev on haiku.. thats the whole reason i started on c++ .. so I'll use what is there[18:11:31] *** paul0 has quit IRC[18:18:41] *** MindChild has quit IRC[18:21:01] *** MindChild has joined #haiku[18:21:08] *** umccullough has quit IRC[18:26:19] *** andreas_dr has quit IRC[18:29:39] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[18:34:21] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[18:34:37] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[18:35:52] *** rennj has joined #haiku[18:35:52] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[18:36:43] *** _Megaf has quit IRC[18:37:37] *** wtracy has joined #haiku[18:39:33] *** ziomatto has joined #haiku[18:41:33] *** cherrypai has quit IRC[18:41:50] *** _Megaf has joined #haiku[18:42:39] *** wtracy has quit IRC[18:45:37] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[18:45:53] *** wtracy has joined #haiku[18:47:34] <linux_luvr> see ya later guys[18:47:36] 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IRC[23:12:06] *** wtracy has quit IRC[23:12:28] *** Paradoxon has quit IRC[23:13:35] *** megaf has joined #haiku[23:13:48] *** megaf is now known as _Megaf[23:19:29] <HeTo> bah, abstract must have under 500 characters, it has 503 :-/[23:19:30] *** miqlas has quit IRC[23:19:45] <aurynn> delete 3 characters.[23:19:48] <aurynn> That's a whole and[23:20:02] * mmadia smells a GSoC application[23:20:03] *** mattlacey has joined #haiku[23:21:52] <mmu_man> GUI word count ? :p[23:26:39] *** witukind has quit IRC[23:27:23] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[23:27:56] <aurynn> you're a student, no one expects perfect grammar from you :P[23:28:06] <miqlas> Hello Guys.[23:29:07] <mmadia> howdy[23:29:32] <miqlas> I'm tired. I need to fix my assembly.[23:29:52] * aurynn fixes it[23:30:23] <miqlas> CAD assembly.[23:30:46] * aurynn fixes that too, with a wrench[23:31:01] *** witukind has joined #haiku[23:31:03] <miqlas> You don't need wrench for this, only CATIA.[23:31:46] <aurynn> Everything is improved by the addition of a wrench.[23:33:26] <pyCube> and a wench[23:35:35] *** BePhantom has joined #haiku[23:35:45] <aurynn> also true.[23:35:58] <miqlas> Mechanical engineers default sentence: "There is nothing, that we can't use for opening a beer."[23:36:20] <stpere> a rock?[23:36:31] <miqlas> We can use it too.[23:36:31] <stpere> if you don'T mind the "shards" :)[23:37:42] <pyCube> a blancmange[23:38:46] <miqlas> http://noob.hu/07/0401/stirling.jpg[23:40:16] <miqlas> This is my motor.[23:40:57] <aurynn> what does it do?[23:41:56] *** _Megaf has quit IRC[23:42:01] *** korli has quit IRC[23:42:17] *** wtracy has joined #haiku[23:44:17] <miqlas> It may works for me.[23:46:09] *** atomozero has quit IRC[23:47:03] *** atomozero has joined #haiku[23:47:57] *** wtracy has quit IRC[23:49:21] *** paul0 has joined #haiku[23:49:24] *** _Megaf has joined #haiku[23:50:07] <expensivelesbia1> Webkit attention would be good I suppose[23:50:36] <expensivelesbia1> big job though[23:51:50] *** ccosta has joined #haiku[23:52:17] *** mattlacey has quit IRC[23:54:53] <aurynn> wifi[23:54:56] <aurynn> it's important.[23:55:57] <expensivelesbia1> yeah, that as well[23:56:15] <expensivelesbia1> and screensavers![23:56:51] <aurynn> I could get by with wifi, a good editor, ssh, and python,.[23:57:18] <aurynn> good bindings for python -> gui apps[23:57:27] *** Geoz has quit IRC[23:58:28] <expensivelesbia1> I'd need the same, along with Ruby, Postgres and a modern web engine.[23:58:43] <aurynn> postgres (should) build[23:58:46] <aurynn> I should test that[23:58:49] <aurynn> omg[23:58:53] <aurynn> I have a buildfarm member![23:58:55] <pyCube> dunno about 'good', btu the existing python bindings served well for me in years past[23:59:02] <pyCube> for making fancy beos apps[23:59:11] <expensivelesbia1> I thought BeOS always had good Python support?[23:59:18] <aurynn> if python2.6 builds on haiku, I can get pylons up, which is good[23:59:28] <pyCube> eek![23:59:28] <pyCube> hehe[23:59:37] <pyCube> its all about twisted/nevow