April 27, 2008 
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April 27, 2008 [00:00:04] <helf> oh[00:00:14] <helf> dont have anything...[00:00:32] <helf> the last one i got from you took like 2 hours to arrive :P[00:04:35] <helf> oh, got one[00:04:49] <DeadYak> weird.[00:04:50] <DeadYak> oh well[00:04:53] <DeadYak> it works anyways[00:04:54] <helf> is it running OK in 20mb? i think i ran mine in 16mb at one point[00:04:57] <helf> cool :)[00:05:04] <helf> glad to hear :P[00:05:13] <DeadYak> seems ok, I didn't try too much with it though since I'm out of eth cables[00:05:13] <helf> did you see the note file i left?[00:05:16] <DeadYak> yeah :P[00:05:16] <helf> should have some urls in it[00:05:51] <DeadYak> thanks again :)[00:05:59] <helf> np[00:06:10] <DeadYak> getting the old HD out of it was kind of a pain :P[00:06:13] <helf> I still wanna get that bebox eventually :P[00:06:16] <helf> heh[00:06:31] <helf> did the screw not wnat to come loose? :)[00:06:44] <DeadYak> the screw came loose fine, the other side that the metal slab hooks into didn't[00:06:52] <helf> oh. hehe[00:07:21] <DeadYak> anyways :)[00:07:39] *** TheNerd_ has joined #haiku[00:08:48] <helf> have fun with it. if you want anything, just let me know[00:09:49] <DeadYak> will do :)[00:11:12] <helf> im curious to know how fast it is. I've only used turbo models... so 33mhz and not 25[00:12:07] <DeadYak> seems fine, but I don't really have a baseline for comparison :)[00:12:53] <helf> I made sure two staples were installed; Doom and Nethack ;D[00:18:24] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[00:19:36] <helf> lol, wtf[00:23:48] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[00:32:16] *** dchis has joined #haiku[00:36:16] *** Haicube has quit IRC[00:36:21] <Stargater> n8[00:36:26] *** Stargater has quit IRC[00:44:43] *** helf has quit IRC[00:53:33] *** TheNerd_ is now known as TheNerd[00:59:51] *** oco has quit IRC[01:02:01] *** dchis has quit IRC[01:03:05] *** burfi has left #haiku[01:05:47] *** BuildFactory has joined #haiku[01:10:49] *** Absnthe has joined #haiku[01:15:16] *** Absnthe has quit IRC[01:15:19] *** Absnthe has joined #haiku[01:18:37] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[01:19:39] *** jiuda_D`arkness has joined #haiku[01:22:23] *** hakimrie has joined #haiku[01:27:16] *** _Lucretia__ has quit IRC[01:28:12] *** _Lucretia__ has joined #haiku[01:29:06] *** TheNerd_ has joined #haiku[01:29:23] *** HeTo has quit IRC[01:29:45] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[01:29:59] *** Absnthe has quit IRC[01:30:54] <urnenfeld> Kokito: thanks![01:32:13] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[01:36:15] *** jiuda_D`arkness is now known as Barrett666[01:37:12] *** acidx has joined #haiku[01:38:23] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[01:38:30] *** TheNerd_ is now known as TheNerd[01:46:51] *** {V} has quit IRC[01:46:57] *** {V} has joined #haiku[01:47:05] <Kokito> my pleasure urnenfeld :)[01:52:46] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[01:53:01] <CIA-52> mmu_man * r25203 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):[01:57:36] *** hakimrie has left #haiku[02:02:13] *** wildur has quit IRC[02:12:40] *** Kernel86_ is now known as Kernel86[02:15:23] *** ozy` has joined #haiku[02:18:45] *** BuildFactory has quit IRC[02:18:59] *** mmadia has quit IRC[02:24:34] *** urnenfeld has left #haiku[02:26:20] <Kokito> umccullough ping[02:26:29] <umccullough> yep[02:26:32] <Kokito> :)[02:26:35] <umccullough> you're right - it is confusing btw :)[02:26:54] <Kokito> ah, I have not gone nuts then :P[02:27:16] <Kokito> maybe that link is pre-haikufiles?[02:27:43] <umccullough> yeah, i think its been there for a long tiem[02:27:44] <umccullough> time[02:28:19] <Kokito> it's probably a Sikosis thing, so let's give him a chance to reply :)[02:28:31] <umccullough> i've even heard people here in #haiku say they got it from there because that's where they were directed from the downloads page :P[02:29:06] <Kokito> there is actually no harm[02:29:23] <Kokito> as they are in the end getting the same file[02:29:41] <Kokito> but I don't understand why we have to send people over to the vmware site[02:29:48] <Kokito> it's totally unnecessary[02:33:11] *** {V} is now known as {V}afk[02:33:26] *** _Megaf has quit IRC[02:34:13] *** _Megaf has joined #Haiku[02:50:37] <stpere> grr[02:50:44] <stpere> my hockey team is losing[02:50:52] <stpere> must code to change my mind :)[02:54:05] *** megaf__ has joined #Haiku[02:54:29] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[03:06:39] *** Kokito has quit IRC[03:06:48] *** _Megaf has quit IRC[03:19:06] *** TheNerd__ has joined #haiku[03:20:14] <Technix> hahha, a habs fan?[03:21:01] <mmu_man> AbsFab ?[03:23:49] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[03:32:07] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[03:34:08] *** gcarrier has joined #haiku[03:35:46] *** petterhj has quit IRC[03:37:06] <stpere> Technix: yup[03:43:50] <Technix> 20 seonds left[03:43:54] <Technix> 4-2[03:44:01] <Technix> sorry stpere[03:45:46] *** helf has joined #haiku[03:45:57] <helf> hi[03:48:14] <stpere> yeah[03:48:21] <stpere> that game sucks[03:48:34] <stpere> so many chances missed[03:49:53] <helf> what game?[03:50:29] <stpere> habs vs flyers[03:53:12] *** {V} has joined #haiku[03:54:51] *** absabs has joined #haiku[03:59:41] *** megaf__ is now known as _Megaf[03:59:46] *** mmadia has quit IRC[04:11:20] *** {V}afk has quit IRC[04:15:26] <Technix> dang it, I lost $5 CDN[04:15:32] <Technix> figured the habs imght tie it up[04:15:44] <stpere> it looked like they would[04:15:48] <stpere> before the fourth goal[04:15:55] <Technix> indeed[04:16:18] * Technix is off to a comedy club[04:16:20] <Technix> laters[04:16:24] <stpere> cya[04:23:17] *** Wiss has left #haiku[04:24:48] *** acidx has quit IRC[04:32:23] *** Darknesss has quit IRC[04:34:17] <helf> wooo[04:34:35] <helf> FINALLY got openstep installed on this pc[04:42:35] <Hodapp> the API?[04:46:08] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[04:46:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Kokito[04:50:32] <Barrett666> yauhm[04:51:48] <helf> hodapp, ful os. v4.2[04:53:52] <Hodapp> oh, the OpenStep-compliant version of NEXTSTEP?[04:54:13] <helf> yeah[04:54:30] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25204 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):[04:54:30] <CIA-52> Added arch_debug_get_stack_trace() that can be used to get a stack trace[04:54:30] <CIA-52> (the list of return addresses) for the current stack.[04:54:33] <Hodapp> I need to try that at some point[04:54:43] <helf> its fun[04:55:30] <helf> i need to update my NeXT to openstep 4.2. its still at nextstep 3.3[04:56:53] <helf> bbl[04:57:00] *** helf has quit IRC[05:02:04] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25205 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)[05:02:04] <CIA-52> Support for stack traces in tracing entries:[05:02:04] <CIA-52> * Added capture_tracing_stack_trace() which allocates space in the[05:02:04] <CIA-52> tracing buffer and captures the stack trace according to the given[05:02:04] <CIA-52> parameters.[05:02:05] <CIA-52> * Added TraceOutput::PrintStackTrace() to print a stack trace thus[05:02:08] <CIA-52> created.[05:06:12] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25206 /haiku/trunk/build/config_headers/paranoia_config.h:[05:06:12] <CIA-52> Increased the default paranoia slot count to a more realistic level.[05:06:12] <CIA-52> We're a bit limited since that increases the kernel size the boot loader[05:06:12] <CIA-52> needs to reserve. We should probably make that configurable as well.[05:11:54] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[05:14:38] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25207 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)[05:14:38] <CIA-52> * Added kernel tracing. Even with optional stack traces.[05:14:38] <CIA-52> * Added "mode" parameter to set_paranoia_check(), which specifies[05:14:38] <CIA-52> whether the check is supposed to already exist/not exist yet. This[05:14:38] <CIA-52> allows for, as it turns out, very useful additional tests. Added[05:14:43] <CIA-52> {ADD,UPDATE}_PARANOIA_CHECK macros that imply the used "mode"[05:14:44] <CIA-52> parameter.[05:22:28] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25208 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/slab/Slab.cpp:[05:22:28] <CIA-52> Added paranoia checks. They reveal that a net buffer data node is freed[05:22:28] <CIA-52> twice when running the OpenSSH "forwarding" test, which corrupts the[05:22:28] <CIA-52> slab's object list. It's not quite clear to me yet why that happens.[05:33:09] *** _Lucretia__ has quit IRC[05:34:14] *** _Lucretia__ has joined #haiku[05:35:53] *** absabs has quit IRC[05:46:44] *** Kokito has quit IRC[06:00:31] <umccullough> "ingo on fire" again[06:01:09] <stpere> yup[06:01:10] <stpere> that's good[06:01:19] <stpere> I'm almost done on my patch too[06:01:20] * JonathanThompson isn't sure whether to get out the fire extinguisher or the gas[06:01:31] <stpere> ^^[06:02:23] <stpere> my work on preflets look somewhat unimportant compared to the commit logs I see :)[06:02:44] <JonathanThompson> Just deal with it, stpere[06:02:47] <JonathanThompson> ;)[06:02:49] <stpere> hehe[06:03:06] <umccullough> in the end, it all has to get done ;)[06:03:15] <JonathanThompson> No single person can do it all.[06:03:20] <JonathanThompson> Not in a relevant timespan.[06:03:44] <umccullough> it's actually kinda neat that people can be working on user apps while the kernel is still unfinished[06:03:51] <umccullough> multi-threaded development ;)[06:03:52] <Hodapp> I can. Actually, the first thing I did was use my superior intelligence to figure out how to do it all.[06:04:01] * JonathanThompson laughs[06:04:41] <JonathanThompson> I found one thing out about my apartment building today...[06:04:54] <JonathanThompson> If I ever sleep through the building fire alarm, chances are I'm already dead.[06:05:18] <stpere> heh[06:05:42] <JonathanThompson> A box sitting on top of the lounge's stove caught on fire.[06:05:51] <JonathanThompson> And here I am, thinking WTF? It's an induction burner![06:05:54] *** absabs has joined #haiku[06:06:03] <Hodapp> hmmm.[06:06:10] <JonathanThompson> I thought they didn't get hot without a ferromagnetic pot on top.[06:06:20] <stpere> there was a stainless pot in the box?[06:06:23] <JonathanThompson> (Or something else that is)[06:06:24] <Hodapp> box with iron?[06:06:37] <JonathanThompson> I don't know: chances are, it got destroyed in the small fire ;)[06:07:02] <Hodapp> I lit my bathtub on fire once.[06:07:12] * JonathanThompson is afraid to ask[06:07:13] <stpere> yay! it's working :)[06:07:19] <stpere> DeadYak: thanks for your help![06:10:06] <ozy`> Hodapp: I hope a burning bathtub does not smell as bad as burning pubic hair[06:10:10] <absabs> congrats stpere[06:10:15] <Hodapp> it was ceramic.[06:10:22] * JonathanThompson needs to keep in mind which browser and which OS he's using at all times when trying to use keystrokes[06:10:50] <JonathanThompson> I have (due to being half-awake) managed to destroy a toilet tank using only water ;)[06:10:59] <stpere> absabs: thanks[06:11:01] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[06:11:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Kokito[06:11:12] <stpere> now I'm cleaning up the patch :)[06:11:13] <absabs> hi kokito[06:11:16] <stpere> hi Kokito[06:11:19] <absabs> :)[06:11:31] <Kokito> hi absabs & stpere[06:11:57] <stpere> you know I've once been called Philippe 2 by my teacher at elementary school?[06:12:07] <Hodapp> JonathanThompson: I managed to make a floppy drive catch on fire by looking at it.[06:12:08] <stpere> because there was an other philippe in the classroom[06:12:20] <stpere> that's hard for a kid :)[06:12:31] <stpere> and not once, I should say[06:12:33] <stpere> all year long[06:13:19] <umccullough> JonathanThompson, i destroyed a toilet tank with water once :/[06:13:37] <umccullough> hot water in fact... and it cracked[06:14:24] <umccullough> worst part was - it was at someone elses house that I was house-sitting[06:15:00] <ozy`> ouch[06:15:50] * JonathanThompson notes umccullough has something in common with him[06:16:09] <umccullough> stpere, with the name "Urias" - i rarely have a problem with being in the same room as someone else with the same name ;)[06:16:29] <stpere> hehe, I can imagine :)[06:16:33] <JonathanThompson> The problem I had was I needed to flush the toilet so the landlord could fix it, and it was right before work, and I was only half-awake, and was using the water from the shower, with an electric hot water heater...[06:16:34] <umccullough> but, i did have a physics class once where it was me, a guy named Elias, and a guy named Silas in the same room :P[06:17:08] <JonathanThompson> The faucet was turned on full-hot, but it took time to work up to giving me hot water, and I was using a huge steel mixing bowl to dump it in.[06:17:25] <umccullough> JonathanThompson, yep, same basic strategy in my case ;)[06:17:31] <JonathanThompson> I remember turning around to get more water, and puzzling, "What's the CRACK noise I'm hearing?"[06:17:40] <JonathanThompson> The third crack was the killer :D[06:17:45] <umccullough> heh[06:17:59] <stpere> lol[06:18:06] <JonathanThompson> The landlord told me he'd had many people destroy toilets before, but he'd never seen it destroyed that way :)[06:18:15] <umccullough> nice[06:18:36] <JonathanThompson> If I'd been fully awake, it wouldn't have happened, because I knew that'd be a fatal thing to do, to expose ceramic to such extremes: cold bowl water and hot tank water.[06:19:05] <JonathanThompson> He took pity on me: it was an old toilet that really was destined for replacement soon anyway, so he only charged me half the cost of the replacement toilet ;)[06:21:28] <umccullough> i was fortunate enough to know a guy who was throwing out an exact same model of the one i destroyed[06:21:35] <umccullough> so i swapped the tank and nobody knew the better ;)[06:21:57] <JonathanThompson> Hey, as long as it worked exactly as well (or better) than the one you destroyed, who cares about the details? :)[06:22:00] <umccullough> i had to buy new seals, etc. though[06:22:15] * JonathanThompson wonders how many fish he used[06:26:31] * JonathanThompson is contemplating creating an investor presentation and what needs to go into it...[06:26:41] <umccullough> hmm... build busted?[06:27:07] <umccullough> compiling the new tracing stuff fails for me :/[06:29:53] <umccullough> 25205 busted it for me - do I have to recompile all targets after the tracing.h change or something?[06:30:48] <umccullough> guess i'll find out :/[06:31:43] *** umccullough_x has joined #haiku[06:38:50] *** Kokito has quit IRC[07:03:46] <stpere> okay, patch submitted[07:03:48] <stpere> night[07:04:08] <stpere> umccullough: I confirm the broken build here too[07:04:35] <absabs> night[07:10:17] *** _Megaf is now known as Megaf_[07:17:37] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[07:18:21] <Begasus> moin[07:31:20] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[07:52:18] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[07:55:51] <DeadYak> broken how?[08:03:32] *** Begasus is now known as Begasus_bbl[08:05:49] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[08:10:09] * JonathanThompson breaks DeadYak[08:13:15] <DeadYak> breaks?[08:13:23] <JonathanThompson> Sure![08:13:34] <JonathanThompson> Surely you're not unbreakable?[08:13:37] * DeadYak stretches a cat across JonathanThompson[08:13:46] <JonathanThompson> (And I know, I should stop calling you Shirley)[08:14:03] <DeadYak> referring to the bruce willis movie?[08:14:04] * JonathanThompson listens to the satisfied meow followed by the deep purr[08:15:46] * JonathanThompson wonders when Microsoft will drop the hammer, and I'll be able to spew forth, "It's Hammer time!"[08:17:35] <JonathanThompson> HA! Reno, Nevada had a 4.7 quake last night![08:17:41] <JonathanThompson> And more than 100 aftershocks.[08:17:51] <pyCube> hmm[08:17:55] * JonathanThompson wonders when the next notable quake in this area will hit[08:18:57] <CIA-52> anevilyak * r25209 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/debug/tracing.cpp: This function needs to be conditional on ENABLE_TRACING also, otherwise the build breaks.[08:19:02] <JonathanThompson> Oooh.... high-rise casinos swayed as a result :)[08:19:28] * JonathanThompson wonders if some enterprising person will sell it as a high-rise roller coaster[08:19:38] <DeadYak> I hope that was the correct fix....[08:20:49] <JonathanThompson> Meanwhile, the two entertaining things (in reverse order) was a new-looking bus (likely for old folks) is probably still high-centered on the parking lot exit of the drugstore across the street, and also I verified just how painfully loud the building fire alarm is here when a box caught on fire on top of the stove in the lounge.[08:21:10] <DeadYak> ouch[08:21:36] <JonathanThompson> I've figured that if I don't respond to the building fire alarm going off, chances are I'm already dead.[08:21:46] <JonathanThompson> Or, if there were a real fire with smoke, soon going to be.[08:22:03] <JonathanThompson> I could see not reacting if I'm in a low blood sugar-induced mild coma.[08:22:48] <pyCube> i finally got motivated and fixed my car today[08:23:08] <pyCube> yay and stuff[08:23:09] <JonathanThompson> Was it going around and reproducing, causing more little cars to come into existence?[08:23:19] <pyCube> i wish[08:23:20] <pyCube> hehe[08:23:38] <JonathanThompson> pyCube's procreating Porsche :D[08:23:47] <pyCube> but no.. it was ignoring my commands to stop[08:23:49] <DeadYak> pyCube: what was wrong with it?[08:23:50] <DeadYak> ah[08:23:52] <DeadYak> not good.[08:24:02] <DeadYak> wait, to stop moving or stop procreating? :P[08:24:05] <pyCube> heh.. not normally[08:24:08] <JonathanThompson> I'm guessing that made life more exciting than you wanted :)[08:24:21] <pyCube> commands to stop moving[08:24:48] * JonathanThompson has a weird visual of two cars doing the deed[08:25:09] <DeadYak> I'm not going to ask how comparatively weird your version of it is[08:25:29] <JonathanThompson> I can see the male car being chided by the female car for running out of gas ;)[08:26:00] <JonathanThompson> "The engine was strong, but the driveshaft was weak!"[08:26:34] * JonathanThompson hangs head for introducing car-porn into the channel[08:28:15] <DeadYak> off to bed, says I[08:28:27] * JonathanThompson parks DeadYak in the garage[08:29:13] <JonathanThompson> My biggest frustration today came as I tried to count the number of stairs on a hill I've been using for training purposes.[08:29:28] <pyCube> JonathanThompson: so are you really destined for MS employeehood?[08:29:39] <JonathanThompson> The bad thing is on the way back down, I made a wrong turn because I wasn't paying enough attention, so my two counts are off by 90 stairs.[08:30:01] <JonathanThompson> That just gets more and more complicated for me to answer, pyCube ;)[08:30:25] <pyCube> as in difficult to figure out, or not supposed to say?[08:30:50] <JonathanThompson> Difficult to figure out.[08:31:03] <JonathanThompson> And, as an employee of Yahoo!, I shouldn't state too much.[08:31:08] <JonathanThompson> (I don't know anything anyway)[09:19:32] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[09:23:06] *** tqh has joined #haiku[09:33:25] *** Monni has joined #haiku[09:37:47] *** vbmithr has joined #haiku[09:40:35] *** vbmithr_ has joined #haiku[09:41:31] *** SprMa has quit IRC[09:42:24] *** AndrevS has quit IRC[09:44:56] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[09:46:55] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[09:47:15] *** vbmithr_ has quit IRC[09:54:36] *** absabs has quit IRC[09:59:04] *** tqh has quit IRC[10:04:42] *** Monni has quit IRC[10:08:00] *** tqh has joined #haiku[10:17:19] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[10:17:49] *** vbmithr has quit IRC[10:22:57] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[10:26:27] *** mats has quit IRC[10:27:04] <MrSunshine> how cool wouldnt it be if haiku didnt reboot before i get into the menu when going cd booting[10:28:59] *** scottmc has joined #Haiku[10:40:11] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[10:42:04] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[10:55:30] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[10:56:59] *** Euver has joined #haiku[10:58:44] <Technix> so that was a pretty cool comedy club[10:58:56] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[10:59:19] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[11:01:08] <Technix> anyone alive?[11:02:19] <Teknomancer> ...[11:02:24] <Teknomancer> barely[11:02:24] <Teknomancer> :P[11:02:55] <geist> no[11:04:47] <Technix> pf[11:05:00] <Technix> well, eyelids are starting to win, so I"m heading to bed[11:05:03] <Technix> damn eyelids[11:05:05] <Technix> damn them all to hell[11:05:10] <geist> tape em up[11:05:10] * Technix stabs himself[11:05:18] <Technix> wait, that's bad.. dammit, that hurt![11:05:28] <Technix> grr[11:05:31] <Technix> nite[11:05:36] <{V}> good night Technix[11:05:55] <Teknomancer> anyone tried freebsd 7.0 ?[11:06:11] <geist> i should give it a whirl[11:06:16] <geist> i used to be a huge freebsd fan[11:07:00] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[11:07:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[11:07:11] <Teknomancer> was just wondering if the amd64 version likes GRUB or not..[11:07:21] <Teknomancer> not in a mood to have my boot menu messed up..[11:07:33] <geist> dont see why not, if you just have grub do the chainboot thing[11:08:30] <Teknomancer> some installers don't/hide the the "don't touch boot menu" option..[11:08:49] <Teknomancer> because Solaris has its own GRUB[11:10:18] <Teknomancer> desktopBSD: "GRUB is only supported on i386 and replaced with the default FreeBSD boot menu on amd64."[11:13:03] <geist> hmm, funny[11:13:20] <geist> didn't think it would matter. I thought it was still in 32bit mode by the time it exits the bootloader[11:15:14] <Teknomancer> yeah, anyway i'll try the 32-bit version anyway since it supports nvidia gfx driver which is unavailable for amd64[11:15:33] <tqh> I use grub for linux with amd64[11:16:18] <tqh> and loose out on all those extra registers? :)[11:16:23] <Teknomancer> i dont think its a grub thing, its just what bsd does on amd64 is using its own bootloader i think[11:17:06] <Teknomancer> well better to have a proper gfx driver than rely on vesa ;)[11:17:45] <tqh> yes[11:18:05] <Teknomancer> ETA 16 hours. fun.[11:18:40] <Teknomancer> maybe i'll replace ubuntu hardy on my other 32-bit laptop just for kicks[11:18:41] *** Monni has joined #haiku[11:22:20] *** TheNerd_ has joined #haiku[11:32:27] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[11:37:33] *** Monni has quit IRC[11:38:19] *** TheNerd__ has quit IRC[11:47:52] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[11:50:51] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[12:07:55] *** dr_Evil has joined #haiku[12:09:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_Evil[12:13:25] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[12:13:47] *** burfi has joined #haiku[12:36:44] *** stippi has joined #haiku[12:36:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[12:50:51] *** wildur has quit IRC[12:51:04] *** Monni has joined #haiku[12:51:13] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[12:53:52] *** Monni has quit IRC[12:55:26] *** Monni has joined #haiku[12:59:18] *** Monni has quit IRC[13:07:11] *** Monni has joined #haiku[13:13:13] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[13:13:19] *** Roderic has joined #Haiku[13:13:20] *** Roderic is now known as Ingenu[13:24:37] *** oco has joined #haiku[13:25:20] *** grOOber has joined #haiku[13:25:38] <grOOber> hell no![13:27:27] <stippi> grOOber: ?[13:27:55] <stippi> Your Search did not reveal any results. Did You mean "Hello".[13:30:01] *** Monni has quit IRC[13:34:28] <slaad> Heh[13:39:44] *** Monni has joined #haiku[13:43:29] * ThomHolwerda waves[13:45:27] * grOOber shakes his ass[13:46:14] *** nibble has joined #haiku[13:46:40] *** Euver has quit IRC[13:48:08] *** nibble has quit IRC[13:48:09] *** pyCube has quit IRC[13:48:12] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[13:58:58] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[14:02:27] <Monni> anyone known what means German title "Benigna"?[14:04:01] <grOOber> probably somethink like "goodie"[14:04:14] <grOOber> is there a Maligna[14:04:17] <grOOber> muuuwhahahaha[14:04:36] *** Schmedly3D has joined #haiku[14:05:14] <Monni> trying to read Wikipedia article about my family, but it's really mixed in languages... part is English, part is French, part is Polish and part is Czech...[14:05:27] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[14:05:30] *** tqh has quit IRC[14:05:45] *** Schmedly3D has quit IRC[14:10:23] <CIA-52> stippi * r25210 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/time/ (4 files):[14:10:23] <CIA-52> Applied patch by Philippe Saint-Pierre with some changes by myself:[14:10:23] <CIA-52> * Added Revert button and Revert feature. The time at which the preflet[14:10:23] <CIA-52> is started is remembered, the uptime of the preflet is calculated[14:10:23] <CIA-52> via system_time().[14:10:23] <CIA-52> TODO: Better placement for the Revert button. Currently it looks like it can[14:10:26] <CIA-52> only revert date changes.[14:12:20] <grOOber> Monni, monni, monni, it's so funny, in a rich man's world![14:12:32] <Monni> lol[14:15:22] <grOOber> a[14:18:41] *** jiuda_D`arkness has joined #haiku[14:23:03] <jiuda_D`arkness> haiku run on amigaone hardware?[14:23:52] <oco> not yet[14:24:23] <jiuda_D`arkness> ok[14:25:19] <Yaroze> jiuda_D`arkness: plz[14:26:13] <jiuda_D`arkness> ?[14:26:32] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[14:26:39] *** jiuda_D`arkness is now known as Barrett666[14:27:22] <Yaroze> Barrett666: why run haiku on an amiga ?[14:27:44] <oco> why not ? ;-)[14:28:17] *** grOOber has quit IRC[14:29:16] <Barrett666> Yaroze i love ppc : )[14:29:31] <Barrett666> http://www.acube-systems.biz/eng/sam.php[14:30:13] <Yaroze> Barrett666: thats not amigaone hardware :)[14:30:30] <Barrett666> lol[14:30:31] <Barrett666> yes[14:31:08] <Barrett666> amigaone is not ppc?[14:32:41] *** absabs has joined #haiku[14:32:59] <ThomHolwerda> Barrett666: the a1 is ppc[14:33:02] <ThomHolwerda> so is the sam[14:33:06] <ThomHolwerda> they're just not the same.[14:36:34] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[14:39:33] *** Wiss has joined #haiku[14:40:55] *** aljen has joined #haiku[14:41:01] <aljen> hey =)[14:41:35] <Barrett666> hi[15:00:02] *** _maniac_ has joined #haiku[15:00:05] *** Tonik has joined #haiku[15:00:50] *** vbmithr has joined #haiku[15:08:13] *** _maniac_ has quit IRC[15:11:58] *** petterhj- has joined #haiku[15:12:19] *** petterhj has quit IRC[15:16:23] *** vbmithr has quit IRC[15:17:59] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[15:25:20] *** stargater has joined #haiku[15:25:26] <stargater> hi[15:25:45] <stargater> hi stippi[15:30:48] *** petterhj- has quit IRC[15:36:02] <stargater> stargater: around?[15:36:10] <stargater> yes :-)[15:36:23] <stargater> stippi: around?[15:37:23] <absabs> I think stippi is busy coding:)[15:37:44] <stargater> ah ok[15:38:57] *** korli has joined #haiku[15:38:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[15:40:31] <absabs> hi korli[15:41:09] <stargater> cu later[15:41:16] <absabs> cu[15:42:27] *** stargater has quit IRC[15:43:19] <korli> hi absabs[15:43:30] <absabs> :)[15:49:54] <stippi> stippi was busy eating[15:50:02] <stippi> and fixing his Ubuntu... :-)[15:50:08] <absabs> :D[15:50:47] <stippi> hi absabs, korli![15:50:59] <absabs> hiya, stippi[15:51:53] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[15:52:31] *** Tonik has quit IRC[15:54:26] *** nibble has joined #haiku[15:55:49] <burfi> yesterday haiku didn't crash browsing for 20min :-D[15:56:01] *** Megaf_ is now known as _Mefad[15:56:07] *** _Mefad is now known as Bom-Dia[15:56:09] <dr_Evil> hi stippi[15:56:58] *** Bom-Dia is now known as _Megaf[15:57:27] *** petterhj has quit IRC[15:57:55] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[15:58:20] <burfi> ES1969 Solo-1 doesn't work with OSSV4[15:58:35] <burfi> but pretty much everything else now[16:00:39] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25211 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/debug/tracing.cpp:[16:00:39] <CIA-52> * Reverted r25209. We need the symbol even with tracing disabled, since[16:00:39] <CIA-52> modules could use it. Moved the tracing_stack_trace definition out of[16:00:39] <CIA-52> the conditional section instead.[16:00:39] <CIA-52> * Made the TraceOutput::Print()/PrintStackTrace() method no-ops when[16:00:40] <CIA-52> tracing is disabled.[16:03:08] *** hakimrie has joined #haiku[16:03:56] <stippi> hi dr_Evil[16:04:24] *** petterhj has quit IRC[16:18:41] <CIA-52> korli * r25212 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/MenuField.cpp: if no menubar is found in the archive, recreate one to avoid crashing[16:24:20] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25213 /haiku/trunk/ (11 files in 8 dirs):[16:24:21] <CIA-52> * Changed macros that enable tracing for individual components from[16:24:21] <CIA-52> defined/undefined to numeric values (0 for undefined). This allows for[16:24:21] <CIA-52> trace levels.[16:24:21] <CIA-52> * Set SYSCALL_TRACING_IGNORE_KTRACE_OUTPUT default to 1, since this is[16:24:22] <CIA-52> what one usually wants.[16:26:30] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[16:29:58] *** _Megaf has quit IRC[16:30:37] *** hakimrie has quit IRC[16:35:02] *** korli has quit IRC[16:39:25] *** AndrevS has joined #haiku[16:56:24] *** korli has joined #haiku[16:56:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[16:56:49] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[16:59:24] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[17:02:17] *** slaad_ has joined #haiku[17:02:17] *** TheNerd_ has quit IRC[17:06:37] *** _maniac_ has joined #haiku[17:10:36] <CIA-52> axeld * r25214 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/arch/x86/arch_interrupts.S: Build fix; SYSCALL_TRACING is now always defined.[17:13:32] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25215 /haiku/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs):[17:13:32] <CIA-52> * Paranoia checks were accidentally globally enabled by default. Object[17:13:32] <CIA-52> * cache paranoia was always enabled.[17:13:32] <CIA-52> * Changed from paranoia on/off to levels. Adjusted the macros to take a[17:13:32] <CIA-52> level argument.[17:17:31] *** jiuda_D`arkness has joined #haiku[17:18:43] *** Euver has joined #haiku[17:20:18] *** slaad has quit IRC[17:22:33] *** korli has quit IRC[17:22:36] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[17:25:13] *** tqh has joined #haiku[17:27:32] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[17:30:55] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[17:38:50] *** Monni has quit IRC[17:40:22] *** Monni has joined #haiku[17:41:23] <Monni> erf[17:42:13] *** jiuda_D`arkness has quit IRC[17:42:14] *** Barrett is now known as jiuda_D`arkness[17:44:46] *** mmadia has quit IRC[17:46:08] *** _maniac_ has quit IRC[18:11:19] *** wildur has quit IRC[18:12:51] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[18:14:17] *** wildur has quit IRC[18:14:34] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[18:15:33] *** wildur has quit IRC[18:18:58] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[18:22:31] <stpere> morning[18:22:45] <Monni> lol... it's evening ;)[18:23:15] <JonathanThompson> It's all relative, brother![18:23:30] <Monni> yeah... to the UTC... which is -3 from here...[18:23:44] <stpere> well it's noon technically here :)[18:23:50] <JonathanThompson> Well, clearly you're not even on time, Monni ;)[18:24:10] <Teknomancer> 9:54 PM here![18:24:11] <Monni> JonathanThompson: Erf...[18:24:39] <Monni> 7:22 PM here[18:25:01] <stpere> stippi: hi[18:25:48] * JonathanThompson adds an n to Monni's erf and sells him as a more gentle ball[18:27:02] <Monni> JonathanThompson: Jabber has crashed a few times lately here... complains I have too big contacts in my list ;)[18:27:29] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps you just need fewer friends, so I guess that means you should be a PITA to most of them ;)[18:27:49] *** tqh2 has joined #haiku[18:27:52] <Monni> I only have a little less than 91 contacts, but one has 22 JID's ;)[18:27:58] <umccullough_x> Teknomancer, you're UTC+5.5 ?[18:28:12] <JonathanThompson> Seems Jabber wasn't written very well.[18:28:29] <JonathanThompson> I actually can't think of any number of contacts that should make such a thing crash.[18:28:43] <Teknomancer> umccullough_x: yes exactly[18:28:52] <umccullough_x> that would drive me nuts :)[18:28:59] * JonathanThompson still thinks that's bizarre[18:29:13] <Monni> JonathanThompson: eh... maybe it just exceeds limit allocated for single message ;)[18:29:35] <JonathanThompson> I suppose that's possible: still doesn't mean that it should crash :)[18:30:20] <Monni> I still love the error message when it crashes... it has button "Try Again" ;)[18:30:36] <JonathanThompson> What, the first crash wasn't satisfactory???[18:30:45] <Monni> lol yeah...[18:31:28] <JonathanThompson> IIRC, that code is now open-sourced: perhaps you should fix that stupid design flaw :)[18:31:42] <umccullough_x> change it to "oh well"[18:32:04] <JonathanThompson> That's not exactly the design flaw I had in mind, umccullough_x ;)[18:32:10] <umccullough_x> :)[18:32:40] <umccullough_x> if someone reported a bug to me that said: "it crashes and has a button that says Try again"... guess what i'd fix first ;)[18:32:57] * JonathanThompson slaps umccullough_x sillier than normal[18:33:12] <umccullough_x> it's irresponsible bug reporting[18:33:26] <umccullough_x> expected behavior: "don't crash in the first place"[18:33:31] <Monni> almost as fun as one error message I found in Windows... When it gets NULL pointer delete, it gives option "Retry"[18:33:35] *** crash_ has quit IRC[18:33:51] <JonathanThompson> Good timing for crash_ to leave ;)[18:34:06] <umccullough_x> well, access violations are worth a second try[18:34:16] <umccullough_x> you know, just in case[18:34:37] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25216 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Added kernel tracing for the interesting net buffer operations.[18:34:57] <umccullough_x> "interesting"[18:35:22] <Monni> well... pointer with value NULL does actually point in same location in every successive try... it doesn't map to anything else ever...[18:35:51] <JonathanThompson> Theoretically, C++ should have no problem if you call delete on a null pointer.[18:36:01] <JonathanThompson> I don't know what they're doing special.[18:36:29] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps they're explicitly calling the destructor?[18:36:34] <umccullough_x> time to reboot this machine[18:36:37] *** umccullough_x has quit IRC[18:36:38] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[18:37:28] <Monni> AFAIK it only gives the message when app is compiled in debug mode...[18:38:39] * Thom_Holwerda pets dr_Evil[18:38:41] *** tqh has quit IRC[18:38:42] <Thom_Holwerda> oops[18:38:45] * Thom_Holwerda pets DaaT[18:38:51] <DaaT> :)[18:38:54] * DaaT pets Thom_Holwerda[18:38:59] * Thom_Holwerda shakes his fist at the tab key[18:39:29] <stpere> :)[18:39:55] <Monni> just use spoon or knife to remove it... no more problems ;)[18:40:00] * HeTo thinks it should be DaaT shaking the fist[18:40:00] <Teknomancer> hi DaaT[18:40:07] <DaaT> heya Teknomancer[18:40:14] <DaaT> HeTo, nah. I'm a peaceful guy[18:40:15] <DaaT> :)[18:40:54] <DaaT> been doing some yoga on my Wii Fit ;)[18:42:03] <Teknomancer> fit?[18:42:26] <DaaT> new wii game/exercise[18:42:33] <DaaT> comes with the balance board[18:42:43] <DaaT> google it up and check out some videos :)[18:44:45] <umccullough> DaaT, saw that in a store window the other day...is that shit for real?[18:47:04] <DaaT> umccullough, totally[18:47:08] <DaaT> very veeery cool indeed[18:47:09] <DaaT> :)[18:47:30] <umccullough> really... hmmm[18:47:40] <umccullough> even has a DDR-wannabe game?[18:48:11] <Teknomancer> they say doing Yoga without proper supervision from a trained yoga person can be harmful[18:48:30] <umccullough> well, you're being supervised by your wii :)[18:48:32] <Teknomancer> so don't try the difficult one's at least :P[18:49:28] <Teknomancer> well it will tell you how to do it, but how you do it might not necessarily be exactly like how it's to be done, or where you need to stress / flex / put pressure on etc.. :) but anyway, I haven't go those problems with exercise[18:49:31] <Teknomancer> i don't exercise at all ![18:49:58] <Teknomancer> i'm playing TypeRacer on Orkut[18:50:19] <Teknomancer> flexing my fingers[18:53:06] <DaaT> umccullough, it's not for DDR :)[18:53:22] <umccullough> the video i watched showed something similar to DDR[18:53:35] <DaaT> umccullough, might be the step exercise[18:53:40] <umccullough> i guess :)[18:53:41] <stpere> question! my ticket just got closed by stippi (patch applied, it's working) but there is a todo that got suggested, I want to tackle down that todo, should I reopen the ticket?[18:54:07] <umccullough> maybe move the todo to another ticket[18:54:14] <stpere> ok[18:54:15] <umccullough> and mention that in the previous one :)[18:54:24] <umccullough> that's just my suggestion anyway, not sure what the "right way" is[18:54:29] <Teknomancer> you use trac?[18:54:32] <stpere> yes[18:54:35] <Teknomancer> ok[18:54:37] <stpere> dev.haiku-os.org[18:56:21] <DeadYak> stpere: stippi attached a diff on that email I thought[18:56:53] <DeadYak> umccullough: doesn't come out until late may here btw[18:57:15] <umccullough> DeadYak, ah - i saw it in some video game store window IIRC[18:57:25] <umccullough> poster that is[18:57:39] *** Stargater has joined #haiku[18:57:41] <Stargater> re[18:57:46] <umccullough> i don't own a wii anyhow :)[18:57:53] <DaaT> shame on you[18:57:55] <DaaT> :)[18:57:55] <stpere> DeadYak: stippi made a change to my patch, but left an extra task for me to do[18:58:08] <DeadYak> oh[18:58:19] <DeadYak> stpere: I'd say make a new patch and file a new enhancement ticket[18:58:26] <stpere> ok[18:58:33] <stpere> sounds reasonable :)[19:00:27] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[19:02:38] <absabs> time to bed[19:02:41] <absabs> night[19:02:44] <umccullough> 'night[19:02:49] *** absabs has quit IRC[19:10:45] *** korli has joined #haiku[19:10:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o korli[19:11:50] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[19:12:05] *** 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have a few coding questions[20:00:56] <_stippi_> just a sec[20:00:59] <stpere> ok[20:01:06] <_stippi_> who do I ghost myself again?[20:01:11] *** stippi has quit IRC[20:01:14] <_stippi_> ah[20:01:20] *** _stippi_ is now known as stippi[20:01:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[20:01:29] <stippi> ok[20:01:31] <stippi> now[20:01:34] <stippi> hi stpere[20:01:36] <stpere> ok, I'm just trying to make sure my idea is ok[20:01:44] <stippi> which one?[20:01:58] <stpere> you made a CheckRevert() function[20:02:23] <stpere> mmm[20:02:40] <stippi> yes, you think it is a bad idea?[20:02:41] <stpere> ok, so, I'm moving the revert button to the base view[20:03:09] <stpere> I need, from the DateTimeView to disable the fRevertButton which is in BaseView[20:03:17] <Begasus_bbl> stippi, /msg nickserv ghost <nick> <pswd> iirc[20:03:20] <stippi> probably means you have to move some stuff into window instead[20:03:25] <stpere> ok[20:03:27] *** Begasus_bbl is now known as Begasus[20:03:30] <stippi> Begasus_bbl: thanks I figured it out eventually[20:03:45] <Begasus> k[20:03:48] <stippi> /ns is short for /msg nickserv in Vision btw[20:03:52] <stpere> basically, I'm accessing the CheckRevert from the window[20:03:54] <Begasus> yep[20:04:02] <Begasus> works in xchat too btw[20:04:09] <stpere> and setting the status of the button by there (from within the window)[20:04:13] <stippi> stpere: exactly, and disable the button from there[20:04:18] <stpere> but my question is![20:04:20] <Begasus> ns -> freenode works ...[20:04:27] *** ddew|bofh has joined #haiku[20:04:31] <ddew|bofh> 'ello[20:04:50] <stpere> I'm reusing the kMsgRevert message to ask the window to check the revert status[20:05:00] <DeadYak> stippi: actually that's not something Vision does, it's server-side on freenode[20:05:07] <stpere> by adding a "check" bool[20:05:08] <stippi> ah[20:05:20] <stpere> is that ok, if you understood what i meant[20:05:45] * Begasus pets DeadYak[20:05:46] <DeadYak> stippi: and hi :)[20:06:06] <stpere> well, my problem is mainly that the gmt/localtime radio button is managed from within DateTimeView[20:06:15] <stippi> hi DeadYak :-)[20:06:16] <stpere> I guess I could manage it from the window too[20:06:31] <stpere> because the events are scatered on multiple levels[20:06:49] <stpere> and have several places to watch to enable/disable the revert button[20:06:57] <stippi> stpere: you can still ask the DateTimeView if it can revert, but then apply that information to the button only known in the window[20:07:02] <stpere> ok[20:07:08] <stpere> sounds good[20:07:25] <stippi> it's probably cleaner that way, even though it looks more scattered[20:07:42] <stippi> even then, you could check for the Timezone as well![20:07:45] <stippi> which is much nicer[20:07:46] <stpere> yes[20:08:13] <stippi> then you have a Window::CanRevert() which checks both the DateTimeView::CanRevert() and also the TimezoneView::CanRevert()[20:08:22] <stpere> exactly what I did :)[20:08:25] <stippi> nice[20:08:34] <stpere> ok, I'm on the good track[20:08:39] <stpere> that's good to hear :)[20:08:39] <stippi> great minds think alike! :-)[20:09:01] <umccullough> i know i'm greatly outnumbered in this particular thing - but having the system time/date/timezone changing on the fly as you twiddle the values seems pretty bad[20:09:21] <stpere> umccullough: I was on your page too a few days ago[20:09:28] <stippi> umccullough: what do you mean?[20:09:29] <stpere> it seems like it would break some cron stuff[20:09:31] <umccullough> works as long as nothing important is happening in the background I suppose - but damn what happens if you're in the middle of some giant compile or something :P[20:09:54] <stippi> yeah, maybe an apply button[20:10:05] <umccullough> i'd like to get it right first - and then apply[20:10:06] <stpere> yes, that's what I would do[20:10:26] <stpere> I have the bad habit of using that place to get a calendar[20:10:29] <umccullough> rather than having it update the system time as i fiddle with the hour, minute, etc.[20:10:30] <stpere> and move from months to months[20:10:35] <Thom_Holwerda> Technix: questions sent[20:10:37] <ddew|bofh> isn't that how pretty much everyone does it already?[20:10:45] <stpere> ddew|bofh: yup[20:11:00] <ddew|bofh> then why the discussion about it? :)[20:11:01] <stpere> but it's kindof against the HIG[20:11:13] <umccullough> well, the "HIG" can't always be right :)[20:11:21] <stpere> while I'm at it, I can add an apply button[20:11:22] <Thom_Holwerda> umccullough: you're not alone on this, assuming i understand this correctly[20:11:30] <umccullough> it's just a guideline afterall ;)[20:11:57] <ddew|bofh> and the good thing about being an OSS project is that it's up fpr changing :)[20:11:58] <Thom_Holwerda> umccullough: you mean to say haiku applies the new time not upon clicking "apply", but while changing the individual values themselves...?[20:12:04] <Thom_Holwerda> if yes, that has bad written all over it[20:12:10] <umccullough> Thom_Holwerda, i understand that adjusting settings in BeOS/Haiku should have the values take effect immediately - but for something as critical as date/time - i certainly think there's room for some caution[20:12:11] <stpere> Thom_Holwerda: yep[20:12:42] <Thom_Holwerda> this seems utterly stupid, actually[20:13:11] <stpere> it's really counter intuitive too[20:13:23] <umccullough> guess i'm not as outnumbered as i thought :P[20:13:25] <stpere> once I played with it for fun[20:13:25] <DaaT> why an "apply" button then? :)[20:13:35] <stpere> then closed the window[20:13:44] <stpere> and it kept my changes and was like.. what?! :)[20:14:02] <stpere> it seemed really counter intuitive[20:14:04] <CIA-52> axeld * r25218 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/protocols/tcp/ (EndpointManager.cpp EndpointManager.h): (log message trimmed)[20:14:04] <CIA-52> * _BindToEphemeral() now remembers the last port it used, and tries a higher[20:14:04] <CIA-52> one next. This should work around the problem Ingo observed with the OpenSSH[20:14:04] <CIA-52> tests (not tested, though).[20:14:04] <CIA-52> * The only TCP compliant fix for this problem would be to not enter time wait[20:14:07] <CIA-52> for local connections at all (which I will do soon).[20:14:10] <CIA-52> * Another work around other implementations use is to accept incoming[20:14:17] <ddew|bofh> i'd call it downright harmful[20:14:26] <tqh2> personally I just don't like the apply button, I rather it is set when quitting if you don't revert[20:14:40] <stpere> tqh2: that's a good way too[20:14:50] <stpere> I suppose[20:15:07] *** Wiss has joined #haiku[20:15:14] <Thom_Holwerda> tqh2: i think quitting should revert changes[20:15:22] <Thom_Holwerda> err[20:15:23] <Thom_Holwerda> discard[20:15:25] <umccullough> either way, but I think the user should at least know its going to change on close[20:15:27] <tqh2> if I change the time I expect that to be the new time IMO.[20:15:36] <Thom_Holwerda> tqh2: yes, but only on apply[20:15:45] <Thom_Holwerda> not very time to change a value[20:15:48] <Thom_Holwerda> every*[20:15:50] <stpere> tqh2: well, you need several steps to change the time[20:16:03] <Thom_Holwerda> to=you[20:16:03] <stpere> you change hour hour, etc..[20:16:09] <umccullough> tqh2, right now - it changes as you fiddle with the values[20:16:14] <Thom_Holwerda> joy, dislexia day :([20:16:15] <umccullough> i.e. scary :)[20:16:18] <tqh2> yes and that you can keep as local info until you close.[20:16:32] <umccullough> local info?[20:16:42] <umccullough> but right now it changes the system time directly[20:16:48] <stpere> network preflets does have an apply button[20:16:51] <stpere> why not that one too?[20:16:56] <stpere> it seems a similar situation[20:17:02] <umccullough> that would even be worse[20:17:07] <stpere> when you're not done setting up the network, it doesn't change[20:17:10] <ddew|bofh> a revert button feels clumsy[20:17:15] <umccullough> imagine editing the IP address and having it apply before setting the subnet or gateway[20:17:34] <DeadYak> personally I prefer settings to apply immediately with a Revert than the other way around[20:17:36] <stpere> actually, the revert button is a wrong solution come to think of it[20:17:42] <tqh2> I don't like useless apply buttons :)[20:17:53] <stpere> it's there to correct errors[20:17:57] <DeadYak> otherwise you have to have useless previews for 2/3 of the options when the system itself could act as a preview[20:17:58] <stpere> that wouldn't happen with an apply[20:18:04] <umccullough> i don't like useless settings being applied as i change them ;)[20:18:09] <tqh2> if you do errors you click revert[20:18:22] <ddew|bofh> or better yet, you don't apply them ;)[20:18:40] <umccullough> anyhow, it's obviously a point of disagreement[20:18:46] <Thom_Holwerda> this is actually one of the big questions in usability[20:18:55] <Thom_Holwerda> there's no right answer[20:19:01] <Thom_Holwerda> just likes and dislikes[20:19:06] <tqh2> yup[20:19:07] <umccullough> for things like appearance settings, i agree they can apply dynamically - for things like network settings, time/date, etc. I want more control over when they're applied[20:19:14] <stpere> imagine for a moment you have a calendar app *cough* cough[20:19:21] <stpere> and by mistake you go back one year[20:19:29] <Thom_Holwerda> to me, it seems as if militantly employing one method for all types of settings dialogs seems ridiculous[20:19:32] <stpere> or rather go forware one year[20:19:37] <Thom_Holwerda> one size does not fit all in this case[20:19:40] <stpere> it will trigger all the events at once[20:19:42] <stpere> that's pretty bad[20:20:14] <stpere> anyway, I'm not the one making the call on this one[20:21:07] <umccullough> I'm sure the concern will come up more often as people start using Haiku[20:21:12] <Thom_Holwerda> brb[20:21:14] *** Thom_Holwerda has quit IRC[20:21:18] <CIA-52> axeld * r25219 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/protocols/tcp/ (TCPEndpoint.cpp TCPEndpoint.h): (log message trimmed)[20:21:18] <CIA-52> * Added _CancelConnectionTimers() that does what its name suggests, and is[20:21:18] <CIA-52> now used from various places that previously did not cancel all timers[20:21:18] <CIA-52> they should have.[20:21:18] <CIA-52> * When a connection moves to the CLOSED state, it should cancel all timers;[20:21:19] <CIA-52> this prevents from sending a reset at the end of a connection.[20:21:24] <CIA-52> * If the persist/delayed acknowledge timers were canceled too late, they might[20:21:41] <ddew|bofh> hmm, is it just me or does textviews seem to render pretty slow?[20:21:50] <ddew|bofh> and flicker[20:22:28] <stippi> is someone here knowledgeable with GRUB and Ubuntu?[20:22:32] *** SprMa has quit IRC[20:22:41] <umccullough> how knowledgable?[20:22:50] <stpere> hmm, network, keymaps, and probably other prefs use some kind of apply button[20:23:08] <DaaT> stippi. problems as well with updating to hardy?[20:23:17] <stippi> DaaT: not yet[20:23:33] <umccullough> my hardy update worked out ok :P[20:23:34] <stpere> vmware player doesn't work out of the box with Hardy[20:23:35] <tqh2> I'm not zealous about it, I just don't understand why you have to klick apply for things[20:23:36] <stippi> I changed my fs from ext3 to reiserfs. And now Grub doesn't like that.[20:23:39] <DaaT> stippi, hardy's useless here now, after updating. And can't even install from CD...[20:23:57] <stippi> stpere: yes, I heard.[20:24:05] <umccullough> tqh2, I think we're arguing about different issues[20:24:15] *** Thom_Holwerda has joined #haiku[20:24:23] <umccullough> i'm stating that changes to the time/date/timezone should not apply instantly as they're changed[20:24:24] <stippi> for now, I have not updated yet, but reiserfs is so much faster than ext3 for SVN and compiling, I just wanted to correct that mistake for now, no update yet.[20:24:25] <dr_Evil> err, what? I'm dist-upgrading hardy right now (360 packages)[20:24:43] <tqh2> might be, I'm doing other things so just reading bits[20:24:45] <Thom_Holwerda> the hardy beta was a disaster for me[20:24:46] <stippi> dr_Evil: see Axel's mail, there is a work around[20:24:50] <stpere> dr_Evil: you need some patch[20:24:50] <umccullough> dr_Evil, axel posted a message to the openbeos list describing how to make vmware work with it :P[20:24:58] <DaaT> dr_Evil, did that. Didn't go so well... at all[20:25:17] <stpere> the problem is with the kernel modules vmware uses[20:25:20] <stpere> I think[20:25:50] <dr_Evil> I see[20:26:55] <luroh> dr_Evil: i followed this one instead: http://eitchpress.eitchnet.ch/?p=13[20:27:08] <luroh> less patch magic[20:28:09] <stpere> luroh: I didn't like the part asking to run a perl script as root :P[20:28:13] <stpere> but did it anyway[20:28:50] <luroh> aye, sometimes you just have to roll with it ;)[20:30:53] <stpere> tqh2: I think setting it and saving on window close would be a good solution[20:31:16] <stpere> a good compromize between not changing it several times and not clicking apply[20:31:56] <tqh2> that's how I'd do it, but it's not big deal for me.[20:35:28] *** Begasus has quit IRC[20:36:02] <CIA-52> korli * r25220 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/View.cpp: only set shear and rotation with valid values[20:39:31] <Technix> Thom_Holwerda: received, thx[20:42:41] <Technix> stpere: what is missing from the user interface is an indicator message stating "Time/Date adjusted, changes pending upon save" or something[20:43:21] <Technix> or, "changes will take effect when you close this window"[20:43:35] <Technix> therefore, the revert button snaps it back and they can close it without fear[20:46:40] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[20:47:21] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[20:47:32] <miqlas> Hello![20:47:43] <miqlas> I found a little problem in Haiku![20:49:11] *** Monni has quit IRC[20:49:51] *** bryguy[lap] has quit IRC[20:50:18] <miqlas> You can see a screenshot here: http://miqlas.extra.hu/screen1.png[20:50:45] <miqlas> You can see, if i right click somewhere i get to popup menu. Everywhere.[20:51:25] <miqlas> On the Desktop i get the desktop menu AND the menu of the wokrspace switcer[20:51:40] <miqlas> (Workspaces)[20:54:37] <miqlas> But only if i activate the auto rise function in Workspaces (You can found this function, if you rightclick on the window of the Workspaces.[20:56:22] <umccullough> Technix, yeah, some indicator that changes are pending and will apply at close would be nice[20:57:10] <umccullough> ultimately, it doesn't hurt to provide a sane user experience ;)[20:57:31] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[20:57:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Kokito[20:59:10] *** ddew|bofh has quit IRC[21:01:35] *** stippi has quit IRC[21:06:03] *** Monni has joined #haiku[21:06:36] *** bryguy[lap] has joined #haiku[21:14:37] *** miqlas has quit IRC[21:16:22] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[21:16:45] <miqlas> Hello![21:18:02] <miqlas> I found a bug/feature in Haiku. i run Workspaces, and i set it to AutoRaise mode, and if i right click anywhere (for example on the desktop) i get 2 menu in the same time.[21:18:17] <miqlas> You can see a screenshot here: http://miqlas.extra.hu/screen1.png[21:18:29] <miqlas> This is a good behaviour or this is an bug?[21:19:36] <stpere> Technix: good suggestion[21:23:39] *** Kokito has quit IRC[21:26:42] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[21:26:43] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Kokito[21:34:12] <stpere> wb kokito[21:34:59] *** MrSunshine has quit IRC[21:36:19] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[21:37:52] *** Thom_Holwerda has quit IRC[21:39:30] <Kokito> hi stpere[21:39:32] <stpere> I wonder what JonathanThompson real name is :P[21:39:44] *** MrSunshine has joined #haiku[21:45:08] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[21:52:09] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[21:53:03] *** _Lucretia___ has joined #haiku[21:53:36] *** nibble has quit IRC[21:55:57] *** urnenfeld has left #haiku[21:58:19] *** databridge has joined #haiku[22:00:26] *** databridge has quit IRC[22:02:02] <umccullough> btw, xubuntu takes the time/date change thing to even the next annoying level :)[22:02:22] <Kokito> ???[22:02:44] <umccullough> i started changing the time by adjusting the hour forward by one...[22:02:58] <umccullough> then sat there for a few seconds looking at the system time to see if it changed, and it didn't...[22:03:05] <umccullough> until all of a sudden my screen went blank[22:03:12] <stpere> wow[22:03:18] <umccullough> apparently it does change the time - but has a delay[22:03:27] <umccullough> and the screen blanker kicked in as soon as it changed ;)[22:03:37] <umccullough> lame[22:03:56] <umccullough> oh, and it doesn't even have a revert button either[22:04:06] <umccullough> just a "close" button when you're done[22:04:13] <umccullough> but by then all changes should have been applied anyway[22:04:36] <umccullough> i think that's a usability problem personally[22:05:12] <stpere> I guess they suppose that use case happens too rarely to focus on it[22:06:58] <umccullough> i also don't exactly understand why every date/time changing screen has to put a full calendar widget there[22:07:14] <umccullough> i suppose for some people, that's the easiest way to choose a date[22:07:38] <umccullough> i think it just invites people to use the tool for checking what the calendar looks like next month or next year[22:07:41] *** _Lucretia__ has quit IRC[22:07:50] <umccullough> (i do that a lot)[22:08:29] *** miqlas has quit IRC[22:08:30] <umccullough> ugh, i'm thinking about this way too much[22:08:34] <umccullough> ok, off to do something else[22:08:49] <stpere> umccullough: I have the same problem with the calendar:)[22:09:24] <umccullough> yeah, it's even worse when i'm at work - cuz I have MS outlook running in the background pretty much always - but i STILL double-click the time in the taskbar to see a calendar[22:09:46] <umccullough> for some reason, my brain would rather use that than outlook's calendar[22:10:15] <DeadYak> umccullough: well, yes and no, on the other hand a calendar's a pretty intuitive widget for setting the date too[22:10:29] <DeadYak> umccullough: it's less of an issue if you have a calendar widget like the Dashboard one on OSX for instance[22:10:31] <umccullough> DeadYak, yeah, but how often does one set the date on their computer ;)[22:11:05] <DeadYak> just saying[22:11:11] <umccullough> i know, but like i was saying - it becomes an invitation to use it for more than setting the date[22:11:17] <DeadYak> a calendar replicant would probably solve that issue nicely :)[22:11:28] <umccullough> probably[22:11:43] <DeadYak> or maybe if Deskbar's time widget would let you open up a calendar just for looking rather than for setting the date[22:11:53] <umccullough> that would be even better[22:12:53] <DeadYak> something to think about[22:12:59] <DeadYak> we need an API calendar widget anyways imo[22:17:27] *** Stargater has joined #haiku[22:17:30] <Stargater> re[22:22:53] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[22:23:52] <CIA-52> korli * r25221 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/backgrounds/BackgroundsView.cpp: fixes bug #2169[22:29:59] *** Euver has quit IRC[22:33:43] *** oco has quit IRC[22:35:30] *** duaneb has joined #haiku[22:37:52] *** jiuda_D`arkness has joined #haiku[22:38:40] *** duaneb has quit IRC[22:43:36] *** PsiloCyber has joined #haiku[22:47:32] *** tqh2 has quit IRC[22:54:25] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[22:58:14] *** _player has joined #haiku[22:59:12] *** {V} has quit IRC[22:59:23] *** {V} has joined #haiku[23:10:39] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[23:12:58] <CIA-52> anevilyak * r25222 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/stack/net_buffer.cpp: T2 needs to be defined if net_buffer tracing is disabled entirely.[23:15:15] <umccullough> DeadYak, does that work even witht he references to the ReleaseDataHeader and AcquireDataHeader stuff?[23:15:56] <umccullough> looking back at the change in r25217 - looks like the embedded classes are ifdef'd also[23:16:14] <DeadYak> umccullough: the T2 macro's defined as nothing when tracing is disabled[23:16:17] <DeadYak> #define T2(x)[23:16:19] <umccullough> ok[23:16:23] <DeadYak> which is also the case if you have tracing enabled but trace level < 2[23:16:23] *** TheNerd has joined #haiku[23:16:32] <umccullough> so even if T2(ReleaseData()) is called it's a noop?[23:16:32] <DeadYak> the problem is that macro was never defined if you had tracing disabled entirely,[23:16:35] <DeadYak> right.[23:16:38] <umccullough> or whatever[23:16:44] <geist> FOOLS[23:16:47] <umccullough> i havne't used macros enough :)[23:16:50] <DeadYak> which is also the case with tracing set < 2 anyways[23:17:17] <umccullough> i guess #define T2(x) just replaces the entire call with nothing[23:17:21] <DeadYak> correct.[23:17:22] <umccullough> that makes snese[23:17:25] <umccullough> sense even[23:17:36] <dr_Evil> this is sooo basic[23:17:53] <umccullough> i'm not a c/c++ programmer :)[23:18:00] <DeadYak> umccullough: I thought C# had ifdef and friends?[23:18:13] <umccullough> DeadYak, it has some stuff - but i've actually rarely used it[23:18:20] <DeadYak> I remember it having #pragma at least[23:18:38] <geist> it has mostly #if and #endif[23:18:44] <geist> not really a generalized macro language[23:18:48] <DeadYak> ah[23:18:52] <geist> basically for turning code on and off at compile time[23:18:59] <DeadYak> I could swear visual studio's stuffed #pragmas in there on me before[23:19:00] <umccullough> yeah, have used that for debug[23:19:03] <DeadYak> been ages though[23:19:13] <umccullough> perhaps C++ in vstudio[23:21:19] <DeadYak> I've never used VS for C++ though[23:23:30] <stpere> what is the message that is sent when I switch tabs?[23:24:10] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[23:25:33] <stpere> nvm[23:27:46] *** jiuda_D`arkness has quit IRC[23:28:46] <DeadYak> DaaT: damn, man, you weren't kidding about rainbow road[23:32:15] <DaaT> that i wasn't[23:32:17] <DaaT> tough track[23:32:25] <DeadYak> yeah[23:36:39] <Stargater> reboot[23:36:40] *** Stargater has quit IRC[23:37:16] <HeTo_> now why's the scaling algorithm used by vlc 0.8.6c on BeOS so poor?[23:37:21] <HeTo_> and where can I change it?[23:37:34] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[23:40:01] *** dr_Evil has quit IRC[23:43:09] *** _Megaf has quit IRC[23:45:12] *** _Megaf has joined #Haiku[23:52:47] *** gery has joined #haiku[23:54:19] *** gery has quit IRC[23:59:37] *** stargater has joined #haiku[23:59:41] <stargater> re