[00:00:14] <mmu_man> likely
[00:01:52] <burfi> "under the belt line" in German
[00:02:02] <HeTo> the expression does exist in Finnish, but it means something that's considered unfair and against unwritten rules
[00:02:43] <stpere> HeTo: it can mean that also in French (Quebec)
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[00:04:09] <heavenquake> is Haiku, in any way, suited for servers? :)
[00:04:18] <vbmithr> no
[00:04:29] <DeadYak> it targets servers mainly
[00:04:31] <DeadYak> errr
[00:04:32] <DeadYak> desktops
[00:04:42] <heavenquake> does it sport serversoftware at all?
[00:04:43] <DeadYak> really need some sleep
[00:04:53] <vbmithr> me too
[00:04:54] <vbmithr> goodbye all ;)
[00:04:58] <DeadYak> night vbmithr
[00:05:03] <ddew|bofh> gnight
[00:05:08] <heavenquake> gnu'ight
[00:05:26] <DeadYak> heavenquake: well, there's nothing stopping you from running servers on it, but it's not going to be particularly competitive with something like linux or freebsd at performance
[00:05:35] <DeadYak> especially given that it's pre-alpha
[00:05:36] <burfi> probably ok for SOHO serving purposes, I suppose
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[00:05:50] <burfi> eventually
[00:06:19] <heavenquake> Hmm.. does ruby work on Haiku? :)
[00:06:27] <heavenquake> and gtk, perhaps?
[00:08:02] <DeadYak> gtk, no.
[00:08:55] <heavenquake> so no rubyroom :/ hmm.. is there a list somewheres with compatible software I can look up, instead of bothering you guys with all these questions?
[00:09:18] <DeadYak> www.bebits.com mostly
[00:09:26] <DeadYak> bear in mind it's not a unix, doesn't use X11
[00:09:57] <heavenquake> yeah, but thought that since there was a Windows port for GTK, there possibly could be a Be/Haiku one too
[00:10:12] <DeadYak> there was one a long time ago of like ... gtk 1.x or so I think
[00:10:33] <DeadYak> hasn't really been maintained, and most people on BeOS/Haiku don't tend to like non-native toolkits anyhow
[00:11:15] <ddew|bofh> why reinvent the wheel? haiku already supports widgets etc
[00:11:38] <ddew|bofh> having another toolkit seems redundant
[00:11:40] <heavenquake> ddew|bofh: I wanted to run a very specifik applikation. That's why.
[00:11:43] <bogomipz> hehe, strange definition of reinventing the wheel
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[00:15:12] <pyCube> oh come on.. having other toolkits is harldy redundant
[00:16:55] <DeadYak> pyCube: it depends on the extent of it, if it's just a different way of mapping to the same widgets then ok, but if it completely reimplements all the widgets then I'd call it redundant personally
[00:18:46] <ddew|bofh> a shim or sorts similar to what DeadYak mentions would rock
[00:18:53] <pyCube> suppose it depends on the reason for being
[00:19:32] <pyCube> reasons beyond "toolkit X has wicked cool listviews"
[00:20:31] <DeadYak> pyCube: my problem with the concept is less the looks than it is that the overall behavior tends to be subtly different, i.e. whether actions are invoked on mousedown vs mouseup, responsiveness, etc.
[00:20:46] <pyCube> sure..
[00:21:16] <pyCube> you loose a little in terms of nitpicky consistency
[00:21:31] <ddew|bofh> but a gtk compatible shim would make porting apps _much_ easier
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[00:22:28] <pyCube> DeadYak: i am certainly not suggesting using foreign toolkits when crossplatform isnt a requirement/desire
[00:22:44] <heavenquake> any available documentation on how the native toolkit works? this particular app is simply one ruby-file, so it shouldn't be too hard to port..
[00:23:07] <DeadYak> one sec
[00:23:26] <DeadYak> http://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/
[00:23:29] <pyCube> heavenquake: port it to python and use the bethon api bindings..
[00:23:36] <ddew|bofh> bebook ftw :)
[00:23:39] <DeadYak> that'd be another way
[00:24:03] <heavenquake> pyCube: there's no ruby for Haiku?
[00:24:04] <DeadYak> pyCube: I'm not sure python/bethon completely run yet, do they?
[00:24:07] <ddew|bofh> access "giving" us that was a godsend
[00:24:08] <pyCube> one less ruby app in the world cant hurt
[00:24:23] <pyCube> DeadYak: dunno
[00:24:34] <pyCube> my guess is no, but moreso than ruby
[00:24:41] <heavenquake> pyCube: there is actually already a python-port of the app..
[00:24:42] <DeadYak> there is ruby, but there aren't any native bindings for ruby to the native toolkit
[00:25:23] <heavenquake> oh
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[00:35:11] <ddew|bofh> it's fun seeing more and more people interested in porting apps to haiku :)
[00:35:24] * ddew|bofh is obviously stating the obvious :P
[00:36:08] <heavenquake> ddew|bofh: victory is yours when people start porting haiku apps to other OS's
[00:36:56] <ddew|bofh> not really, porting apps to other oses means that they don't want to run them on haiku ;)
[00:37:26] <heavenquake> You're actually right there..
[00:37:38] <heavenquake> Wubi is a Windows-port of Ubuntu, more or less.. and I hate that O.o
[00:37:57] <mmu_man> ugh
[00:38:00] <mmu_man> shrug
[00:38:21] <ddew|bofh> i'd say wubi is a Good Thing
[00:38:22] <mmu_man> note some ppl want to port OSes to apps
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[00:38:43] <mmu_man> (some ffmpeg devs are quite narrow minded about porting and standards...)
[00:38:46] <pyCube> mmu_man:  its reverse emacs-ification
[00:38:56] <heavenquake> ddew|bofh: the only good it serves is to handfeed morons with a possibility to call Linux a "great theme for Windows"
[00:39:18] <mmu_man> "you miss foo ? just fix your OS!"
[00:39:26] <HeTo> mmu_man: wubi's quite much like the Windows BeOS PE installer Be had AFAIK
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[00:39:40] <mmu_man> HeTo ah
[00:39:44] <ddew|bofh> heavenquake: you're being far too cynical. it makes it easier to try out linux for people not comfortable messing with their harddrive
[00:39:56] <mmu_man> funny how everyone steals ideas from BeOS now
[00:40:17] <heavenquake> ddew|bofh: enter LiveCD.. Wubi fills a spot that's already filled. All it does is add to the confusion
[00:40:28] <mmu_man> volume control for each app in Vista (lol), Spotlight, live CDs, ...
[00:40:39] <mmu_man> anyway
[00:40:40] <mmu_man> zz
[00:40:43] <ddew|bofh> live cds are hard to use for real work
[00:40:47] <ddew|bofh> wubi otoh isn't
[00:41:03] <mmu_man> BeOS works well as live CD
[00:41:21] <mmu_man> I even recall someone writing a doc on how a BeOS CD helped him fix his linux install
[00:41:33] <mmu_man> he didn't try BeOS more though
[00:41:39] <MindChild> The only bitch is the whole need for a BFS track
[00:41:52] <ddew|bofh> i tried using the beos max livecd to install haiku. was impossible to get networking going
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[00:42:27] <HeTo> I've used the BeOS Max live cd to install Haiku
[00:42:28] <MindChild> even BFS in a file on a CD would have been ok
[00:42:32] <ddew|bofh> read-only boot makes stuff gnarly
[00:42:45] <mmu_man> MindChild no that's the cherry on the pie actually :D
[00:42:52] <mmu_man> you can query on the CD :)
[00:42:53] <HeTo> but I had downloaded and uncompressed haiku.image on an ext2 partition already
[00:42:59] <ddew|bofh> HeTo: i couldn't get networking going to ftp over my haiku.image
[00:43:09] <mmu_man> well maybe R1 will support can files
[00:43:10] <mmu_man> but not today
[00:43:11] <mmu_man> zzz
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[00:44:14] <HeTo> I have one complaint, though: it wouldn't mount the ext2 volume if I had hibernated Kubuntu
[00:44:14] <CIA-52> axeld * r25168 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/fs/vfs.cpp:
[00:44:14] <CIA-52> * attribute dirs shouldn't be locked out either; I've inverted the type check,
[00:44:14] <CIA-52>  so that it now only checks for the type that allow locking.
[00:45:09] <HeTo> needed wake up from hibernation and then shut down properly to be able to mount it
[00:45:23] <umccullough_w> ext2 or ext3?
[00:45:37] <HeTo> ext3 actually
[00:45:39] <umccullough_w> seems like something like that would be an ext3 issue
[00:45:46] <umccullough_w> since it's journaled
[00:45:47] <ddew|bofh> i wanted to have a "pure" haiku box so i had to install r5 first
[00:46:02] <HeTo> I suppose BeOS refused to mount a dirty volume
[00:46:12] <umccullough_w> probably
[00:46:21] <umccullough_w> not usually a good idea ;)
[00:47:34] <umccullough_w> i'm mentally tired
[00:47:42] <umccullough_w> i need a nap :P
[00:47:53] <HeTo> but if I didn't have haiku.image open and mounted the partition read-only (and IIRC BeOS only had read-only support for ext2, right?), it shouldn't be that bad an idea
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[00:49:06] <umccullough_w> i don't know
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[00:49:24] <umccullough_w> i would think mounting a dirty journaled FS as readonly would be mostly ok
[00:49:36] <HeTo> I did actually mess up quite badly once with hibernation and a dirty partition
[00:50:05] <HeTo> hibernated the system, then on the next boot I decided to boot a Linux live cd for some reason
[00:50:27] <HeTo> that live cd saw the partition was dirty and replayed the log
[00:51:07] <HeTo> but then when I next booted the system I'd forgotten I'd booted the live cd in between, and didn't prevent it from trying to wake up from hibernation
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[00:52:42] <HeTo> I remembered only when I saw the system behave in a weird way (I don't remember if it outright crashed), rebooted, and then it had to run fsck
[00:53:16] <HeTo> luckily got the system still running, though, although the fsck results weren't that encouraging
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[00:58:50] <pyCube> so the polite thing to do when somebody complains of file system issues is to tell them to go fsck themselves?
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[01:08:47] <heavenquake> pyCube: that one actually made me smile
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[01:11:29] <umccullough_w> "fsck yourself before you wreck yourself"
[01:13:00] <pyCube> heh
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[02:28:13] <ddew|bofh> hehe, this is surreal. watching a demo of nextstep made in 90 and being able to do the same thing with almost no modifications on mac os x
[02:29:45] <aljen> url ? :)
[02:30:03] <ddew|bofh> sorry, don't have an url for the demo
[02:30:09] <aljen> ah
[02:34:34] <ddew|bofh> heh, even the names of the classes are the same
[02:41:31] <stargater> re
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[02:46:58] <duaneb> I truly hate the File Allocation Table
[02:47:29] <ddew|bofh> you're not alone :)
[02:47:56] <duaneb> ddew|bofh, know about LFN entries? :P
[02:48:03] <duaneb> if you do, you'll understand >.<
[02:48:15] <duaneb> the pain I'm going through thinking about this...
[02:48:30] <ddew|bofh> hehe, it's annoying to no end
[02:48:44] <ddew|bofh> using fat for sharing data with windows?
[02:49:53] <duaneb> ddew|bofh, nah, writing a driver in assembly :/
[02:50:13] <ddew|bofh> eek, why fat?
[02:50:21] <duaneb> It's a simple filesystem, but I need LFN because the linux fat driver creates them
[02:50:24] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25169 /haiku/trunk/data/etc/profile:
[02:50:24] <CIA-52> I don't know, if that makes is less almost-ksh compatible, but whence
[02:50:24] <CIA-52> (aka which) now returns 1 when it cannot find a specified command.
[02:51:03] <duaneb> ddew|bofh, I'm considering switching to ext2 :P
[02:51:34] <ddew|bofh> it'll probably save you a lot of headache :)
[02:51:39] <ddew|bofh> xosing your own os?
[02:51:53] <ddew|bofh> errr coding
[02:51:56] <duaneb> ddew|bofh, kind of
[02:52:01] <ddew|bofh> fun :)
[02:54:36] <duaneb> yea :)
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[02:55:28] <ddew|bofh> targetting whitebox hw or something embedded?
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[02:57:15] <duaneb> whitebox
[02:57:16] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25170 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/bash/ (execute_cmd.c general.c sig.c trap.c): Disabled BeOS work-arounds for Haiku.
[02:57:25] <duaneb>  /vmware/qemu
[02:57:52] <Kokito> yay!
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[02:59:43] <umccullough_w> aroman, btw i recompiled Haiku on my gx270 last night and it works fine now
[02:59:57] <umccullough_w> not sure if my build env was screwed up before, or if it accidentally got fixed recently
[03:00:29] <umccullough_w> could be either :)
[03:01:02] <duaneb> Kokito, qu'est-ce que tu aimes?
[03:02:14] <koki_haiku> duaneb, I understand everything but the last word of your question :)
[03:02:28] <umccullough_w> heh, i was just looking that one up myself :P
[03:02:30] <duaneb> hehe
[03:02:40] <duaneb> aimes? you like?
[03:02:45] <duaneb> jeez, am I really that bad?
[03:02:59] <koki_haiku> are you asking what I am cheering about?
[03:03:00] <umccullough_w> i only understand basic spanish myself ;)
[03:03:22] <koki_haiku> umccullough_w, that was french :)
[03:03:35] <duaneb> haha!
[03:03:40] <umccullough_w> i was just looking that up :D
[03:03:44] <duaneb> umccullough, you just made my day :P
[03:03:45] <umccullough_w> aimes = love
[03:03:58] <duaneb> well, I wasn't translating it so strongly
[03:04:01] <umccullough_w> it's close enough to spanish ;)
[03:04:07] <duaneb> in my mind I said 'what is it that you like?'
[03:04:19] <umccullough_w> the qu'est-ce was at least partially translatable
[03:04:26] <Wiss> lol
[03:04:29] <umccullough_w> i've probably seen it written a few times
[03:04:55] <Wiss> duaneb are you french ?
[03:04:59] <duaneb> Wiss, hardly
[03:05:11] <Wiss> lol ok
[03:05:17] <duaneb> Wiss, I take french from someone who lived in belgium when she was a teenager :P
[03:05:49] <Wiss> bah, the belgium french is correct :P
[03:05:52] <duaneb> Wiss, are *you* french?
[03:05:54] <Wiss> yes
[03:06:43] <Wiss> It was just if you were french, I will advise you join us in #haiku-fr ^^
[03:06:47] <duaneb> ooh
[03:06:50] <duaneb> I'm going to try :D
[03:06:54] <Wiss> ok lol
[03:07:15] <umccullough_w> use lots of slang so he can't understand you :)
[03:07:38] * koki_haiku is downloading hardy-jp using Transmission in Haiku
[03:07:44] <umccullough_w> nice
[03:07:47] <Wiss> XD
[03:07:51] <duaneb> Yea, my friend (who speaks french fluently) got me to order a kilo of coke instead of a bottle of coke :P
[03:07:52] <umccullough_w> and what will you do with it once it's downloaded?
[03:07:58] <Kokito> well, that did not last long, did it? :P
[03:08:32] <Kokito> umccullough_w, the plan was to burn it to a CD
[03:08:41] <umccullough_w> using cdrecord in haiku?
[03:08:47] <Kokito> yes
[03:08:50] <umccullough_w> :)
[03:08:53] <Kokito> but Haiku just KDLed
[03:09:00] <umccullough_w> that's the one with the binary hack by mmu_man?
[03:09:24] <Kokito> not sure umccullough_w
[03:09:37] <umccullough_w> i think it's the only one I know of that works in Haiku :P
[03:09:45] <umccullough_w> because the /dev structure is slightly different
[03:09:47] <Kokito> yesterday it looked like my problems with the RTL8139 were fixed
[03:09:58] <umccullough_w> oh, i hate that driver :(
[03:10:08] <Kokito> but today they are back
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[03:11:22] <Kokito> umccullough_w, I found a half-sized BT878 based video capture card that fits into the small demo PC that Scott donated
[03:11:31] <umccullough_w> nice
[03:11:42] <umccullough_w> probably would fit in my slim dell machine also ;)
[03:11:48] <umccullough_w> where'd you find it? maybe I can get one
[03:12:22] <Kokito> umccullough_w, I had it from a trip we made to Japan with BGA in our yT days
[03:12:27] <umccullough_w> ah
[03:12:31] <Kokito> we bought it there, at a junk store
[03:12:39] <umccullough_w> lol
[03:12:48] <umccullough_w> "Haiku runs your junk better!"
[03:12:49] <duaneb> ahah!
[03:12:54] <duaneb> Kokito, qu'est-ce que c'est que vous aimez tant?
[03:12:57] <Kokito> and used it for our zeta demo
[03:13:04] * duaneb switched to formal
[03:18:18] <umccullough_w> Kokito, does haiku actually have a bt878 capture driver?
[03:18:28] <umccullough_w> i used to have a bt878 card somewhere
[03:18:37] <umccullough_w> might have to dig it up :)
[03:18:40] <Kokito> umccullough_w, not that I know of
[03:18:47] <Kokito> but BeOS does
[03:19:15] <Kokito> if I am not mistaken
[03:20:37] <Kokito> though it's probably a long shot (whether it works on Haiku or not)
[03:21:32] <umccullough_w> yeah, not sure :)
[03:21:51] <umccullough_w> i have an unopened hauppage wintv PVR card that i've been waiting to use
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[03:22:05] <umccullough_w> it's one of the models well supported by MythTV
[03:22:28] <umccullough_w> I wonder what it takes to write/port a video capture driver
[03:22:54] <koki_haiku> there was a guy from argentina who had started writing one, iirc
[03:22:59] <umccullough_w> even better would be ieee1394 capture
[03:23:09] <umccullough_w> then i could hook my dv cam up ;)
[03:23:12] <koki_haiku> but being from argentina, you might as well not hold your breath :)
[03:23:17] <umccullough_w> lol
[03:23:38] <koki_haiku> umccullough_w, we need to bribe absabs for that :)
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[03:28:05] <umccullough_w> :)
[03:28:48] <koki_haiku> anyone has today's Haiku image that I can download?
[03:30:40] <koki_haiku> nice! the MailMarker addon works in Haiku
[03:32:07] <Kokito> although the popup menu shows up in the wrong place :)
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[03:41:07] * umccullough_w heads home early from work
[03:41:18] * pyCube thinks about doing the same
[03:41:19] <umccullough_w> actually, i think i'll stop by the local brewery and have a beer first
[03:41:41] <umccullough_w> couple friends are supposed to be there tonight ;)
[03:41:42] <umccullough_w> ttyl
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[03:46:30] <absabs> good morning
[03:50:55] <koki_haiku> hi absabs
[03:51:08] <absabs> hiya, kokito
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[03:59:33] <stargater> n8
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[04:08:54] <stpere> morning absabs
[04:09:08] <absabs> hi stpere
[04:09:52] <duaneb> morning? o.O
[04:10:00] <stpere> :)
[04:10:01] <duaneb> it's 10 pm here
[04:10:05] <stpere> well, here too
[04:10:14] <stpere> but I'm adjusting to absabs timezone
[04:10:31] <absabs> :P
[04:10:44] <duaneb> absabs, where you from?
[04:10:52] <absabs> China
[04:11:33] <stpere> journalists from here try to make us believe that Chinese ppl isn't aware of the trouble regarding the olympic flame tour
[04:11:37] <stpere> is it true?
[04:12:03] <absabs> no
[04:12:07] <stpere> I find it hard to believe :)
[04:15:06] <duaneb> absabs, do they mention anything at all?
[04:15:29] <absabs> what does "they" mean?
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[04:15:37] <stpere> or you hear from it from "unofficial source"?
[04:15:54] <absabs> yep
[04:16:15] <absabs> bbc or sth. else
[04:16:32] <stpere> ah ok I see
[04:16:47] <absabs> I always read official souce and unofficial source
[04:16:48] <duaneb> sorry, the chinese media
[04:17:08] <absabs> so, I can think myself
[04:17:31] <koki_haiku-deskt> runnin haiku at 1600x1200 is nice
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[04:18:44] <duaneb> koki_haiku-deskt, yea, if it doesn't crash
[04:18:52] <duaneb> you're lucky for having nice hardware... :(
[04:19:04] <stpere> are the fonts still readable ok?
[04:19:28] <stpere> not only the fonts, but are the window decoration usable?
[04:19:33] <stpere> the tabs, and all
[04:19:40] <stpere> are they large enough?
[04:20:07] <koki_haiku-deskt> duaneb, this one does not crash
[04:20:10] <duaneb> the beatles are pretty epic
[04:20:17] <duaneb> I'm just rediscovering them
[04:22:34] <Hodapp> meh, beatles
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[04:23:12] <koki_haiku-deskt> brb
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[04:23:34] <duaneb> Hodapp, I love their later stuff
[04:23:41] <duaneb> when they were on drugs and stuff
[04:23:46] <Hodapp> I've discovered that I just don't care about them.
[04:23:51] <duaneb> 'Let it be' is great
[04:25:02] <cps1966> i have 31 albums of theirs
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[04:27:23] <duaneb> do they HAVE 31 albums? o.O
[04:27:45] <cps1966> prolly more
[04:28:42] <cps1966> sounds like Hodapp  has a closed mind
[04:29:50] <Hodapp> How's that?
[04:29:57] <cps1966> i'm not a beatles fan but i do like good music
[04:30:14] <cps1966> not trash like todays crap
[04:30:40] <Hodapp> There was as much crap back then as there is today.
[04:31:12] <cps1966> not really because we didn't have rap
[04:31:24] <Hodapp> What's the problem with rap?
[04:31:41] <Hodapp> Mainstream rap suffers the same issues as mainstream anything
[04:31:43] <cps1966> its not music in my book
[04:32:10] <Hodapp> Maybe that book was written by a closed-minded author who failed to understand rap.
[04:32:37] <cps1966> what once you heard one fucking one its enough
[04:33:25] <Hodapp> If you aren't willing to look beneath the surface of the genre, that's a failure of closed-mindedness, not of the genre.
[04:34:13] <cps1966> yeah well who created their problems besides themselves
[04:34:30] <Hodapp> The problems are yours, not the genre's.
[04:35:27] <cps1966> why should i listen to some snot nosed kid that dont know what the fuck hes talkin' about
[04:35:29] <duaneb> Hodapp, true, there was crap then
[04:35:32] <duaneb> the beatles were'nt it
[04:35:36] <duaneb> weren't*
[04:35:49] <Hodapp> cps1966: What snot-nosed kid would that be?
[04:35:57] <cps1966> you
[04:36:15] <duaneb> cps1966, that's stupid. There's good rap, just (in general) not what's popular.
[04:36:23] <duaneb> I like the streets, for example
[04:36:45] <duaneb> Massive attack isn't bad, though that's not strictly rap
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[04:36:49] <Hodapp> cps1966: Perhaps you should listen to my opinion of rap because I think I've heard a far broader range of it than you have - including concerts by rappers who are polar opposites of mainstream rap.
[04:37:04] <cps1966> now motwon stuff was much better
[04:37:58] <Hodapp> cps1966: Now, how exactly is it that I don't know "what the fuck I'm talkin' about"?
[04:38:40] <cps1966> because maybe your not among the musical elite
[04:38:49] <Hodapp> cps1966: Who are these "musical elite"?
[04:41:12] <Hodapp> duaneb: Personally, I like Taleb Kweli and P.O.S. - I saw the latter at a concert where I went to see another band (they were alternative rock) and he did remarkably well considering that some sort of recent disaster had trashed his equipment on the journey.
[04:41:31] * duaneb youtubes it
[04:42:02] <Hodapp> duaneb: If you like alternative rock or indie-ish stuff - the band that I went to see was Minus the Bear, and I like them pretty well.
[04:42:31] <duaneb> gah, I need to write this down somewhere :P
[04:42:42] * Hodapp shrugs
[04:42:58] <Hodapp> I use imeem to listen to random stuff online... it's kinda handy, and it will let you make playlists and mark favorites
[04:43:50] <duaneb> I have no flash at the moment
[04:43:53] <Hodapp> Ah.
[04:44:02] <Hodapp> How are you youtube-ing then?
[04:44:04] <Hodapp> ripping FLVs?
[04:44:13] <duaneb> I'm not
[04:44:23] <duaneb> :P
[04:44:32] <Hodapp> 21:33  * duaneb youtubes it
[04:44:33] <Hodapp> so what was that? :P
[04:44:48] <duaneb> I *thought* I had flash
[04:44:51] <Hodapp> ooooh
[04:44:52] <duaneb> hehe
[04:45:44] <duaneb> My makefile has a 'make ego' target which is, essentially: find -name '*.[ch]' -print0 | xargs -0 wc -l
[04:46:37] <Hodapp> make ego?
[04:47:18] <duaneb> make ego :)
[04:47:24] <duaneb> 'night
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[05:29:05] <pyCube> hmm.. um, hi
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[05:53:53] <DeadYak> Thom_Holwerda: late night?
[05:54:07] <Thom_Holwerda> work :(
[05:54:14] <Thom_Holwerda> just got up
[05:54:19] <DeadYak> .... at 6 in the morning?
[05:54:22] <Thom_Holwerda> yup.
[05:54:23] <DeadYak> on saturday?
[05:54:34] <Thom_Holwerda> i work in a shop
[05:55:01] <Thom_Holwerda> we open up early today, 20% off in the first hour
[05:55:15] <Kokito> "Bush says rebates going out Monday will boost economy." does anyone still believe what this guy says?
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[05:56:43] <DeadYak> ahh
[06:02:32] <Hodapp> Kokito: Some people do.
[06:04:26] * Hodapp pets DeadYak.
[06:04:29] <Hodapp> sigh.
[06:07:52] * DeadYak pets Hodapp
[06:08:12] <Hodapp> Wanna go stab some people who believe Bush?
[06:08:13] <DeadYak> Kokito: the better question is, "did anyone ever"? :)
[06:08:32] <Hodapp> DeadYak: and the answer to both is "yes".
[06:08:46] <Kokito> Hodapp, that's the sad part of the story Hodapp
[06:08:51] <Hodapp> I know.
[06:09:49] <Kokito> I would understand if people believed him back in 2000, but after all that has happened under his mandate...
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[06:10:09] * Hodapp looks at AnEvilYak
[06:10:12] * Hodapp looks at DeadYak
[06:10:15] * AnEvilYak looks at Hodapp
[06:10:18] <AnEvilYak> two different boxes
[06:15:52] <Hodapp> Kokito: well, yeah, if you believe that dumb left-wing crap that the constitution actually means something
[06:16:53] <Kokito> Hodapp, I don't think it's about left or right; it's just that pretty much anything that the guy has put his hand on has gone south.
[06:17:41] * Hodapp blames it on the TERRISTS.
[06:18:19] <Kokito> Hodapp, you are starting to sound like Bush himself
[06:18:35] <Hodapp> my fellow amurkans...
[06:19:31] <AnEvilYak> vim makefile
[06:19:32] <AnEvilYak> err
[06:19:34] <AnEvilYak> wrong window
[06:19:38] * Hodapp gasps
[06:19:43] * Hodapp flips out of chair backwards
[06:20:40] <Hodapp> we know what you're up to...
[06:21:16] <absabs> very interesting to find your talk about bush
[06:21:19] <absabs> :D
[06:21:35] <Hodapp> whaaa?
[06:24:44] <Kokito> absabs, we all love him here :P
[06:24:56] <absabs> :P
[06:26:53] <Hodapp> I don't really believe what Bush says... I promise...
[06:34:40] <ddew|bofh> why can't they make programs like Cosmos anymore? :(
[06:43:25] <Kokito> Technix ping
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[06:54:39] <umccullough> mmm... i feel better :)
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[06:55:30] <Kokito> did the beers work for you umccullough :P
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[06:55:38] <umccullough> oh yeah
[06:55:41] <umccullough> most definitely
[06:55:44] <Kokito> hehe
[06:55:50] <umccullough> been a while :P
[06:55:55] <geist> ddew|bofh: yeah, I agree. Cosmos is great
[06:56:06] <geist> a lot of the newer pbs style stuff is a lot more flash, less content
[06:56:19] <geist> gotta have fancy graphics to get the kids to watch I guess
[06:56:25] <Kokito> what's Cosmos?
[06:56:31] <ddew|bofh> guess it took someone like Sagan to make it
[06:56:46] <umccullough> carl sagan is my hero
[06:56:52] <geist> yeah, and cosmos had it's share of problems. it went way over budget, some folks weren't into sagan's style, etc
[06:56:55] <ddew|bofh> the budget for that show had to be ginormous
[06:57:09] <geist> but that and Connections are my two fave documentary series
[06:57:18] <umccullough> connections is awesome
[06:57:21] <umccullough> james burke!
[06:57:32] <geist> ddew|bofh: yeah, nearly bankrupted that station, apparently
[06:57:58] <ddew|bofh> good thing it turned out to be worth it :)
[06:58:07] <geist> i still watch newer novas and whatnot, but you really get the impression that they're just recycling the same footage
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[06:58:25] <geist> or at least all the faceless TLC and Discovery ripoffs
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[06:58:48] <ddew|bofh> ever watched history channels "documentaries"?
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[06:59:22] <geist> not that i'm aware of
[06:59:32] <geist> oh oh you mean that in a sarcastic way
[06:59:39] <geist> some of the war ones are decent
[06:59:51] <geist> but after a few you get to see the recycled footage and you're done
[06:59:58] <ddew|bofh> sure, but most of the time it's too over the top
[07:00:23] <geist> some of the hard core military ones are kind of neat
[07:00:28] <ddew|bofh> thanks for the tip about Connections, haven't seen it but it looks interesting
[07:00:38] <geist> where they spend an entire hour on one battle
[07:00:47] <geist> ddew|bofh: oh yeah, Connections is the shit
[07:00:55] <umccullough> ddew|bofh, james burke is funny as shit
[07:01:00] <geist> there were 2 or 3 series I believe. the original one was the late 70s I believe
[07:01:03] <ddew|bofh> heh, cool
[07:01:16] <umccullough> connections2 is what i remember when i was younger
[07:01:31] <umccullough> i don't think i saw much of the first one, or 3rd one
[07:01:43] <umccullough> i need to watch more of those
[07:01:44] <geist> 1978 apparently
[07:02:22] <absabs> sharpos
[07:02:34] <umccullough> i watched a lot of david attenborough stuff when i was younger too
[07:02:42] <ddew|bofh> he's brilliant
[07:03:00] <ddew|bofh> he's for biology what Sagan was for astronomy :)
[07:03:17] <ddew|bofh> chief champion and whatnot
[07:03:25] <umccullough> DeadYak was talking about blue planet the other day
[07:03:49] <umccullough> pretty certain my wife has a bunch of thsoe
[07:03:50] <umccullough> those
[07:04:19] <absabs> I want to know where is the c# run time support in cosmos
[07:04:52] <absabs> and what's lanuage the run time support written in
[07:04:58] <absabs> c or asm?
[07:05:15] * umccullough is lost now
[07:05:22] <ddew|bofh> as am i
[07:05:51] <ddew|bofh> talking about cosmoe?
[07:06:02] <umccullough> atheos-forked Os?
[07:06:18] <ddew|bofh> it's the windowing system iirc
[07:06:38] <umccullough> thought it was an entire OS
[07:07:34] <geist> sounds like damn lies to me
[07:07:35] <umccullough> http://cosmoe.com/
[07:07:44] <umccullough> 'on top of linux"
[07:07:57] <ddew|bofh> system for linux to emulate the be api
[07:08:18] <ddew|bofh> or rather the windowing system :)
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[07:10:59] <absabs> http://gocosmos.org/index.EN.aspx
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[07:13:24] <umccullough> even as a C# developer, that doesn't interest me much :P
[07:14:16] <umccullough> this looks interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_Cosmos
[07:16:28] <absabs> IL2CPU is doing the runtime job
[07:16:37] <umccullough> 2
[07:16:37] <geist> that's groovy
[07:16:39] <umccullough> doh
[07:16:43] <geist> umccullough: 4
[07:16:59] <umccullough> geist, -1
[07:17:10] * geist throws and exception
[07:17:13] <geist> an even
[07:17:29] * geist throws another exception
[07:17:36] <umccullough> 0xd
[07:17:37] * geist blows his stack and segfaults
[07:18:05] * umccullough blows his wad and searches for something else to do
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[07:18:20] <absabs> hehee
[07:18:24] <geist> killall umcullough
[07:18:29] <absabs> :)
[07:18:38] <Teknomancer> morning all
[07:18:54] <absabs> morning Teknomancer
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[07:20:30] <anarchos> so is haiku gonna go with gcc2 or gcc4, for r1?
[07:20:54] <geist> probably gcc 5 or 6
[07:20:56] <umccullough> my money is on gcc2, but who knows - maybe both
[07:21:05] <umccullough> geist, that's always possible
[07:21:27] <umccullough> gcc2+4 = 6 :)
[07:21:36] <anarchos> hah
[07:21:39] <geist> well, just the rate at which things are going
[07:22:23] <Teknomancer> all depends on how badly the devs wanted binary compat with R5 ;)
[07:25:32] <anarchos> what's the only real app that would be used under binary compatability? all i can think of is gobe
[07:25:45] <anarchos> not much else out there that's uber important
[07:25:48] <geist> oh weird, just reading about intel AVX
[07:26:03] <geist> in upcoming cpus
[07:26:06] <geist> crazy shit
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[07:27:01] <rennj> personal studio was nice app
[07:27:04] <Teknomancer> geist: is that something to do with virtualization extensions?
[07:27:35] <Teknomancer> advanced vector extensions.. hmm
[07:27:52] <umccullough> nobody likes pinball machines any more?
[07:27:54] <geist> yeah, looks like new encodings for all the vector stuff
[07:28:00] <geist> 3 and 4 address instructions
[07:28:09] <geist> and apparently generic extension of the size
[07:28:21] <Teknomancer> oh,
[07:28:25] <geist> initial cpus will support 256 bit registers, but the instruction set will extend to 512, 1024, etc
[07:28:35] <umccullough> jeezmus
[07:28:46] <umccullough> m r wide
[07:28:53] <geist> and of course new instructions
[07:29:04] <geist> looks like all the old instructions will fit into the new instruction space
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[07:31:26] <Teknomancer> seems existing SSE instructions can make use of this new stuff as well
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[07:31:40] <geist> yeah
[07:31:48] <Hodapp> x86 is kinda a clusterfuck.
[07:31:58] <geist> yep, and it's just gonna get more complicated
[07:32:04] <geist> that being said, x86-64 is somewhat cleaner
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[07:32:09] <Hodapp> that's good.
[07:32:16] <geist> if you ignore the old stuff, it's somewhat more regular than ia32
[07:32:29] <geist> same with ignoring the old x87 fpu
[07:32:36] <geist> and mmx
[07:32:41] <geist> sse is relatively regular
[07:32:42] <Teknomancer> i wonder how many new instructions we'll have to virtualize when this comes out :)
[07:33:10] <Hodapp> peh.
[07:33:42] <umccullough> it's all about the pentiums
[07:33:58] <Hodapp> aaah, I saw Weird Al perform that in concert
[07:34:06] <umccullough> :)
[07:34:28] * Teknomancer goes to check if there's an upgrade option for hardy heron from gutsy
[07:34:34] <umccullough> there is
[07:34:58] * geist slams a tractor trailer into the channel
[07:34:58] <umccullough> worked for me anyhow
[07:35:27] * umccullough calls geist's tractor-trailer with a case backhoe
[07:36:11] <umccullough> and i'll raise you one wonderbread drom
[07:36:18] <Teknomancer> hmm seems I can upgrade from the Update Manager GUI itself
[07:36:19] <Teknomancer> sweet
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[07:36:35] <umccullough> Teknomancer, that's what i ended up using
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[07:36:55] <umccullough> mr XEmacs himself...
[07:37:19] <umccullough> you'd think he owned stock :P
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[07:41:41] <umccullough> ah well, time for bed i guess
[07:42:16] <mmu_man> if only
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[07:59:51] <aroman> good evening everyone (on PST) :)
[08:01:45] <Teknomancer> hi aroman
[08:02:02] <Teknomancer> ok ubuntu wants me to close everything before the update.. l8r
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[08:27:04] <DeadYak> hi aroman
[08:27:17] * JonathanThompson wonders what time DeadYak gets to bed each morning
[08:27:47] <DeadYak> JonathanThompson: it varies
[08:27:50] <absabs> evening aroman
[08:27:56] <DeadYak> JonathanThompson: but let's just say I passed out for like 4-5 hours after work today
[08:28:01] <DeadYak> so I'm not going to be sleepy again any time soon
[08:28:06] <JonathanThompson> I see.
[08:28:51] <JonathanThompson> Yesterday afternoon I snuck off and took a little nap at work in a room nobody frequents, because I was about to collapse, or at least in risk of it, due to not falling asleep before 5 a.m.
[08:29:04] <JonathanThompson> And during that nap, I had a dream about sleeping.
[08:38:59] <DeadYak> lol nice
[08:39:50] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps Nestle Quik chocolate milk isn't the best thing to have 2-3 cups late at night/early in the morning.
[08:40:03] <JonathanThompson> That, and too much on my mind.
[08:40:18] <JonathanThompson> Though at least Monday or Tuesday I'll have new machines at work.
[08:40:32] <JonathanThompson> Then comes the problem of getting them properly configured for working on the product.
[08:41:03] <JonathanThompson> Since what we're working on runs on RHEL 4, and the machines will come with 5, I think desktop version.
[08:41:16] * aroman is downloading the latest Battlestar Galactica! :D
[08:41:34] * JonathanThompson thinks "Dr. Who" clearly defines sci-fi/comedy genre
[08:41:53] <JonathanThompson> I just *love* "The fat will just walk away!" in the episode for tonight.
[08:42:10] <JonathanThompson> I do declare, they figured out how to make a blob of fat almost cute.
[08:42:54] <JonathanThompson> Nothing like depicting asexual/host reproduction using excess fat of the hosts as the building material :D
[08:43:38] <aroman> wtf?1
[08:43:47] <aroman> my usenet is going at 6KB/s
[08:46:06] <DeadYak> ouch.
[08:46:51] <aroman> used to go 1MB+
[08:47:08] <aroman> usenetserver.com is getting really bad these days :(
[08:47:37] * JonathanThompson wonders if Jerry Yang has his next job lined up
[08:49:43] <JonathanThompson> Thinking about what's going on in the press, if Microsoft does the proxy fight, he's gone.
[08:50:19] <JonathanThompson> If Microsoft walks away, and the stock price falls quite a bit, there will be a major number of stockholders upset he didn't take the deal, and they'll vote him out.
[08:50:57] <JonathanThompson> So, I believe either way, he needs to consider his next employment situation, unless he has some third solution involving other rumors of merger talks.
[08:52:02] <aroman> anyone know a good usenet service?
[08:53:30] <geist> usenet still exists?
[08:54:55] <geist> still getting BSD?
[08:54:58] <geist> BSG?
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[08:55:05] <geist> man, is S4 really bleak
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[08:56:31] <aroman> ok resetting my router didn't do anything :/
[08:56:45] * JonathanThompson resets aroman in hopes of that helping
[08:56:46] <geist> as i was saying, S4 is super bleak
[08:58:21] <aroman> JonathanThompson: thanks
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[09:21:49] <Methe> oh
[09:22:02] <Methe> a unused BeOS partition doesn't take dust
[09:22:17] <Methe> (hi everyone)
[09:22:25] <mmu_man> plop
[09:22:28] <mmu_man> hey, long time
[09:22:35] <Methe> indeed :)
[09:22:51] <Methe> I'm doing a svn update on haiku tree, just to see...
[09:23:00] <absabs> hi emitrax
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[09:24:51] <stargater> moin
[09:25:00] <absabs> moring stargater
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[09:45:46] <stargater> hi absabs
[09:45:59] <emitrax> hi absabs
[09:46:02] <emitrax> morning all
[09:46:12] <absabs> morning:)
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[09:56:55] <stargater> hi emitrax
[09:57:04] <emitrax> hi stargater
[09:57:38] <stargater> have anyone used the IconUtils.h in haiku ?
[09:57:48] <emitrax> not me
[09:57:54] <stargater> ok
[09:58:28] <stargater> i think this is haiku stuff only and works in haiku not in beos? and it is linket to be.so?
[09:58:34] <stargater> ask over ask :-)
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[10:00:15] <stargater> http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/haiku/haiku/trunk/headers/libs/icon/IconUtils.h
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[10:04:45] <mmu_man> DeadYak there are still some issues with CL-Amp too
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[10:24:42] <emitrax> anyway with a last revision vmware image?
[10:24:58] <emitrax> I found a nice weird bug
[10:35:01] <stargater> and what make the bug ?
[10:36:41] <emitrax> do you have a vmware image ?
[10:39:56] <geist> that reminds me, I should update the vmware here on my mac
[10:40:05] <geist> been using parallels, which basically has gotten completely pwned by vmware
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[10:40:18] <stargater> no emitrax
[10:40:25] <JonathanThompson> That's all, nothing else :)
[10:40:46] * JonathanThompson has too many worthless commercial jingles stuck in his head
[10:41:09] <mmu_man> geist market structuration... :)
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[10:43:11] <emitrax> how do you update to a certain revision ?
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[10:44:21] <emitrax> found
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[11:00:15] <tqh> DeadYak, here?
[11:11:12] <tqh> how's the best way to tell jam to not include firewire?
[11:12:57] <absabs> change build/jam/HaikuImage:p
[11:13:10] <absabs> but why do you want exclude firewire
[11:16:35] <tqh> it seems that it may be the cause of pagefaults in my gcc4 builds
[11:17:27] <tqh> dunno where I read about that, so can't point you to a source.
[11:17:39] <absabs> can you explain in detail
[11:18:03] <tqh> I'll dig around see if I can find more info..
[11:18:08] <absabs> what's happened in pagefaults?
[11:18:35] <absabs> do you mean a KDL?
[11:19:03] <absabs> thanks
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[11:20:19] <tqh> It was discussed in the mailing list: [haiku-development] Disabling Strict Aliasing for GCC4 Builds
[11:20:38] <stargater> cu
[11:20:39] <absabs> let me see
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[11:20:49] <tqh> Posting link to gcc4 crash bug ....
[11:21:12] <tqh> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/1727
[11:21:24] <absabs> thanks
[11:21:27] <tqh> note that the problem seems to be with gcc4 only.
[11:24:49] <geist> it's not infrequent to have problems between major revisions of the compiler
[11:24:56] <geist> *especially* older code to newer versions
[11:26:26] <absabs> tqh, do you have pci-1394 card?
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[11:27:02] <tqh> I think it's built in on mobo, but since I'm not using it let me verify
[11:28:21] <tqh> the  '[haiku-development] Disabling Strict Aliasing for GCC4 Builds' thread has a quite nice description of potential problems which can exist. It may that firewire just provoke errors elsewhere.
[11:28:41] <absabs> I see
[11:28:57] <absabs> but if you does not have pci-1394 card
[11:29:07] <tqh> I have.
[11:29:08] <absabs> the firewire busmanager will not run
[11:29:22] <tqh> I know.
[11:29:36] <absabs> let me see
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[11:44:31] <tqh> Can't see anything unusual in warnings, except maybe: fwohci_pci.c:199: warning: passing argument 2 of 'map_mem' makes pointer from integer without a cast
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[11:53:51] <CIA-52> stippi * r25171 /haiku/trunk/headers/libs/icon/IconUtils.h: Style improvements.
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[12:09:13] <tqh> that map_mem function sure exists in duplicates :)
[12:09:47] <tqh> I count twelve :)
[12:10:51] <tqh> oops, there was a second page as well
[12:11:21] <absabs> hi korli
[12:12:35] <korli> hi absabs
[12:13:04] <absabs> :p
[12:15:02] <absabs> tqh, could you try to change fwohci_pci.c:199 to "sc->regArea = map_mem(&sc->regAddr, (void *)info->u.h0.base_registers[0], 0x800"
[12:15:14] <absabs> and see what happened
[12:16:28] <absabs> do you have the same problem with gcc 2.95?
[12:16:46] <absabs> timer fo dinner
[12:16:48] <absabs> bbl
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[12:17:59] <tqh> absabs already doing that but (void *) (info->u.h0.base_registers[0] & PCI_address_memory_32_mask)
[12:18:10] <tqh> building right now
[12:18:42] <tqh> absabs, this seems to only be a problem with gcc4
[12:21:06] <tqh> doing a full build, so will test in a couple of minutes.
[12:30:13] <tqh> time to test, if it's working I will be away for some time :)
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[12:33:34] <tqh> no change :/
[12:34:01] <tqh> I need to get a serial cable I guess.
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[13:14:00] <CIA-52> korli * r25172 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/Control.cpp: Patch from Shinta, this fixes bug #2097. Thanks!
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[13:27:08] <mmu_man> DeadYak btw I tried to fix a bug with cortex but it doesn't seem to behave... if you get the parameter window of a node that has multiple groups (tabview), it has a very small size and can't be resized more
[13:27:16] <mmu_man> oddly with single group it works ok
[13:27:26] <mmu_man> seems to be in DefaultMediaTheme.cpp
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[13:28:47] <absabs> hi tqh
[13:29:22] <tqh> hi absabs, I'm running Haiku on my other computer without firewire now, it's been up over 40 mins with full cpu.
[13:29:52] <absabs> It reminds me a month ago, rtl8139 driver has the same problem
[13:30:01] <tqh> interesting
[13:30:13] <absabs> KDLed with unhandled vm page fault
[13:30:36] <absabs> but a few days ago, kokito says it works ok
[13:30:37] <tqh> was that gcc4 only?
[13:30:52] <absabs> nothing to do with the rlt8139 driver
[13:30:55] <absabs> dunno
[13:31:02] <CIA-52> korli * r25173 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/media/ (5 files): style cleanup
[13:31:46] <absabs> have you svn updated to the latest version?
[13:31:57] <tqh> yes earlier today at least.
[13:32:41] <absabs> Now I have no 1394 card to test with
[13:33:10] <CIA-52> korli * r25174 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/ (InterfaceDefs.cpp RegionSupport.cpp TabView.cpp): style cleanup
[13:33:11] <absabs> IMHO, it is not the firewire bug
[13:33:48] <tqh> absabs, you may very well be right, but it does provoke something to fail.
[13:34:10] <absabs> strange thing
[13:35:19] <tqh> I can't even run for 1 min with it enabled, going on 47 mins now.
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[13:41:08] <CIA-52> korli * r25175 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/network/old/compat/libnet/ (compat.c socket.c): style cleanup
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[13:46:52] <CIA-52> axeld * r25176 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/beserved/ (346 files in 23 dirs):
[13:46:52] <CIA-52> Added the BeServed sources into our repository. They are licensed under the
[13:46:52] <CIA-52> terms of the MIT license.
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[13:48:11] <tqh__> network troubles, if anyone said anything to me I probably missed it.
[13:48:40] <absabs> :)
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[13:49:50] <mmu_man> yay
[13:54:19] <tqh> yay?
[13:57:23] <slaad> mmu_man just completed his libusb port!
[13:57:27] <slaad> Right? :P
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[14:00:48] <mmu_man> eh
[14:00:52] <mmu_man> still stuck ?
[14:01:16] <mmu_man> lunch and I'll have a look
[14:01:25] <mmu_man> is the one from last mail up to date ?
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[14:09:56] <slaad> Yeah it is.
[14:10:05] <slaad> Not so much stuck, just hit a wall and went on with other projects.
[14:10:12] <slaad> That version KDLs here... but I can't see why :/
[14:16:57] <CIA-52> korli * r25177 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/ (10 files in 6 dirs): style cleanup
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[14:20:13] <Stargater> hi
[14:20:20] <slaad> Hey
[14:20:33] <Stargater> hi slaad
[14:20:51] <slaad> What's up?
[14:21:22] <Stargater> haiku have BeServed now include, anyone can tell what BeServed do ?
[14:21:36] <Stargater> in time nothing, i go in 5 min to work
[14:22:16] <Stargater> but in my brain i thinking over new idears in pairs
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[14:23:32] <mmu_man> Stargater it's a networked file system that supports attributes and queries
[14:23:43] <mmu_man> it was done for BeOS but can be used in windows and linux too
[14:33:52] <Stargater> you mean you can login from linux ?
[14:35:17] <mmu_man> no there is a linux server
[14:36:20] <Stargater> ok, so i need to go. cu
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[15:34:53] <mmu_man> hmm tried to open a .mkv file but registrar KDLed
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[15:43:15] <mmu_man> HEY
[15:43:30] <mmu_man> Haiku screwed up my svn binary from the zeta partition !?
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[15:46:06] <slaad> >.<
[15:46:25] <JonathanThompson> Unclench those butt cheeks, slaad!
[15:46:51] <mmu_man> ok it doesn't seem to be usable yet for development :D
[15:46:57] <mmu_man> brb
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[15:47:36] <manatails007lnds> is this official Haikuos channel?
[15:47:46] <JonathanThompson> Yup.
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[15:54:42] <CIA-52> korli * r25178 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/keymap/KeymapWindow.cpp: I don't remember why this was added. Fixes bug #2165
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[15:56:17] <slaad> Oh, nice.
[15:58:50] <absabs> why jam -q firewire compiled the object twice
[15:58:52] <absabs> for example
[15:58:54] <absabs> Cc generated/objects/haiku/x86/release/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/firewire/fwmem.o
[15:58:55] <absabs> Cc generated/objects/haiku/x86/release/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/firewire/fwmem.o
[15:59:11] <absabs> is the Jamfile wrong?
[15:59:29] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps it didn't do it with feeling the first time ;)
[16:00:04] <absabs> don't understand
[16:00:13] <tqh> Jamfile looks ok here
[16:00:22] <absabs> strange
[16:00:33] <JonathanThompson> First time was half-heartedly, then it decided to do it again, and do it right? :)
[16:00:51] <Technix> it got itself into a jam first time around?
[16:00:57] <Technix> bu du bum
[16:01:10] * JonathanThompson spreads peanut butter on Technix's nuts
[16:01:17] <JonathanThompson> Oh, wait: I can't do that anymore!
[16:01:22] <Technix> :P
[16:01:51] * tqh 's respect for JonathanThompson suddenly went down a lot.
[16:02:32] <JonathanThompson> you need to understand, tqh, it's a privates joke between Technix and myself: he neutered me first!
[16:02:54] <tqh> I don't want to know :)
[16:02:58] <JonathanThompson> (Virtual neutering, of course: I'm still just as nuts as ever!)
[16:03:12] <absabs> but why other bus_managers don't compile twice
[16:03:17] <absabs> ps2 for example
[16:05:23] <mmu_man> Technix don't leave your pets in the channel :D
[16:05:43] <tqh> I love how filemanagers in Linux tend to not update with contents when you do stuff in cli. not.
[16:06:17] <mmu_man> you mean like you must use F5 like in windows ? :)
[16:06:40] <tqh> yes except the one I'm using right now doesn't seem to have a refresh at all :(
[16:06:51] * Technix puts JonathanThompson back in his cage
[16:07:00] <Technix> sorry mmu_man, he escaped again
[16:07:55] * JonathanThompson breaks out again
[16:08:04] <JonathanThompson> Darn it, that damned acne cream does nothing!
[16:09:20] <JonathanThompson> So, what's a US dollar worth in Canadian currency these days, Technix?
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[16:09:48] <JonathanThompson> I remember in the past that a lot of US businesses HATED getting Canadian currency because it was worth about 71 cents/dollar.
[16:10:10] <Technix> its about par
[16:10:33] <Technix> for a little while, CDN was stronger than USD
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[16:12:07] <tqh> mmu_man, nice email to freedesktop.
[16:12:46] <absabs> ah, I.C. My local Jamfile is wrong
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[16:14:59] <tqh> coffee-break!
[16:15:44] * JonathanThompson breaks out the coffee from the prison of the coffee grinder
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[16:17:04] <tqh> although I think JonathanThompson don't need any more coffee :)
[16:17:54] <JonathanThompson> It's funny you'd say that: I have a Starbucks drive-thru right outside my bedroom window....
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[16:18:17] <JonathanThompson> What's funny about that is I've never stepped foot inside it, and even weirder than that, I've *NEVER* had coffee in my life.
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[16:20:04] <tqh> ah so the fumes probably get you while you are sleeping :)
[16:20:26] <JonathanThompson> Maybe *that's* why I rarely sleep non-stop through the night :P
[16:20:34] * slaad shudders at the thought of Starbucks coffee
[16:20:43] <JonathanThompson> (I'm not a caffeine addict)
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[16:21:23] * slaad hugs his caffeine setup.
[16:21:41] * JonathanThompson wonders if slaad is hooked up to a caffeine drip IV
[16:21:53] <slaad> Nah.
[16:22:00] <slaad> Rancillio Siliva + Rocky.
[16:22:10] <slaad> Freshly roasted beans.
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[16:26:41] <burfi> decadence :-D
[16:27:12] <stpere> morning
[16:27:22] <stpere> mmmhh.. coffee :)
[16:27:27] <stpere> tqh: good idea :)à
[16:28:18] <CIA-52> axeld * r25179 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/support/Archivable.cpp:
[16:28:18] <CIA-52> * validate_instantiation() also needs to add the BPrivate namespace in case
[16:28:18] <CIA-52>  it couldn't find the class on first try. This fixes the problems mentioned
[16:28:18] <CIA-52>  by Shinta as part of bug #2086.
[16:28:18] <CIA-52> * Got rid of GetNumber() - there is a POSIX function strtoul() for exactly
[16:28:19] <CIA-52>  this purpose.
[16:28:23] <CIA-52> * demangle_class_name() can now fail.
[16:29:57] <tqh> stpere, sorry coffee-break is over. Now we work :)
[16:30:48] * tqh grabs screwdriver and wrench and goes to work.
[16:32:31] <CIA-52> mmu_man * r25180 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/network/ (bcm440x/b44mm.h bcm570x/mm.h): Fix build for non-intel, but we miss a barrier implementation.
[16:33:03] <stpere> hehehe
[16:33:22] <stpere> instant coffee :: instant to make, instant to drink!
[16:35:46] <tqh> crap I think I've lost my rapidxml code.
[16:40:11] <tqh> even worse, I lost my precious .mozconfig
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[16:43:39] <tqh> where is vision hosted?
[16:43:40] <mmu_man> odd, MDR has been crashing for years in zeta after fetching, and now it doesn't anymore !?
[16:43:43] <mmu_man> weirdo
[16:43:53] <mmu_man> tqh sourceforge.net ?
[16:44:06] <stpere> there is a nice bug in vision I want to fix :)
[16:44:26] * JonathanThompson never knew there were "nice" bugs in software
[16:44:31] <tqh> mmu_man, yup: http://vision.sourceforge.net/
[16:44:42] <mmu_man> why ask then? :)
[16:45:03] <JonathanThompson> Though I do remember my twin sister finding a rather entertaining (and easy to use) funny bug in the Apple 2 "Beyond Castle Wolfenstein" that made things easier ;)
[16:45:12] <tqh> mmu_man, I didn't know, and checked after your post.
[16:45:34] <tqh> and I saw stpere wanted to know as well.
[16:46:16] <JonathanThompson> Namely, the game was written in such a way that it didn't handle updating things in a such a manner that more than one playing piece could exist in the same spot, and that mattered when going out of a room, and coming back in at the last known spot of a game piece.
[16:46:58] <JonathanThompson> It allowed us to make guards disappear forever, without having to shoot them and take on that risk: it also meant, of course, we couldn't harvest their ammo and cash.
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[16:51:41] <stpere> JonathanThompson: by nice, I meant : fixable by me ;-)
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[17:00:47] <Teknomancer> upgraded to hardy heron.. pff, nothing really all that exciting..
[17:01:31] <tqh> no, not exiting at all.
[17:02:37] <Teknomancer> i was hoping for the webkit epiphany browser at least..
[17:02:46] <CIA-52> korli * r25181 /haiku/trunk/ (6 files in 2 dirs): patch from JiSheng which fixes firewire build warnings and fix atomic_set_int to use atomic_or
[17:03:40] <xcasex> Technix: dude.
[17:03:50] <xcasex> Technix: i'm going to be a father !
[17:04:57] <Technix> congrats!
[17:05:13] <Technix> I'm so happy for you, really. Life is great to hear that news
[17:05:48] <stpere> congrats!
[17:06:06] <stpere> my parents are trying to convince me to do the same ;-)
[17:06:28] <stpere> they are all like.. so when are we going to be grand-parents??
[17:06:50] <Teknomancer> Congratulations xcasex
[17:06:59] <Teknomancer> as they say, may all your troubles be little ones
[17:07:10] <Teknomancer> damn, need to restart X..
[17:07:11] <Teknomancer> brb
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[17:07:18] <Technix> and may you have many little ones :P
[17:07:40] <Technix> xcasex: where's our damn cigars!
[17:08:44] <xcasex> Technix: i'll set up a mailinglist for the cigarrs ;D
[17:08:51] <stpere> haha
[17:08:59] <xcasex> man.
[17:09:06] <xcasex> this just mellowed me out
[17:09:09] <xcasex> found out an hour ago
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[17:10:59] <Technix> aweome...
[17:11:01] <Teknomancer> great my sound chipset's not recognized anymore after the upgrade...
[17:11:08] * Technix hugs xcasex
[17:11:11] <Technix> good job boy!
[17:11:16] * Teknomancer dances in joy
[17:11:51] * xcasex has been doing pirouets for the last hour
[17:12:38] <Teknomancer> rebooting, l8rs
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[17:12:57] <CIA-52> korli * r25182 /haiku/trunk/headers/private/firewire/firewirereg.h: fix warning
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[17:15:03] <xcasex> speaking of good things, anyone else get the idea that this incarnation of bsg is an infinite loop of religion in remix?
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[17:16:54] <tqh> absabs hmm, I think you may have fixed the firewire issues 6 mins without crash...
[17:17:51] <absabs> oo
[17:18:06] <CIA-52> mmu_man * r25183 /haiku/trunk/ (6 files in 6 dirs): memory barrier functions available for drivers.
[17:18:06] <absabs> but it should not fix the problem
[17:18:19] <absabs> it just remove build warning
[17:18:26] <absabs> and style correct
[17:18:35] <absabs> and a little bug fix
[17:18:37] <absabs> :0
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[17:18:40] <absabs> :）
[17:18:43] <absabs> :)
[17:19:05] <absabs> as for the KDLed problem, I dunno
[17:19:26] <absabs> the firewire built with gcc4 about 3 months ago is ok
[17:20:03] <tqh> absabs: ah there it crashed :)
[17:20:18] <absabs> hehee
[17:20:21] <Technix> just a headsup people! http://haikunews.org/1290
[17:20:36] <absabs> what's the bt say?
[17:21:45] <tqh> I didn't check :(
[17:21:59] <absabs> no problem
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[17:25:39] <stpere> a "church's floor collapse".. what an intersting turn of events :-¬
[17:25:49] <CIA-52> mmu_man * r25184 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/network/ (bcm440x/b44mm.h bcm570x/mm.h): Use the new mem barrier funcs from the kernel.
[17:26:02] <stpere> :-/
[17:26:14] <mmu_man> stpere so going to the church doesn't always save you ? :^)
[17:27:06] <stpere> well.. it was during a christian rock concert
[17:27:17] <stpere> with many kiddos jumping around
[17:27:39] <stpere> but yeah, going to church didn't save you this time :P
[17:28:07] <stpere> 3 in critical state.. damn
[17:28:45] <stpere> ok, back to joy! :)
[17:30:45] <burfi> mem barrier means no more page faults by tiniest of driver bugs?
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[17:38:57] <mmu_man> lol no
[17:39:06] <mmu_man> it's just to force read or write ordering
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[17:41:29] <burfi> damn, haiku is so teasing right now
[17:41:47] <burfi> if it only gained a bit stability
[17:42:25] <burfi> I'm so getting fed up with linux
[17:43:46] <stpere> interface design question :)
[17:43:55] <Technix> burfi: how do you think the rest of us feel? :P
[17:44:05] <burfi> most polished pre-alpha OS ever
[17:44:10] <stpere> in time preflet, I'm putting a revert button below the tabview
[17:44:21] <stpere> but it only revert the time, not the time zone
[17:44:29] <Technix> some old timers (like myself) were using BeOS only back in the day, and that was waaaaaay before Linux hit the desktop (as it is now)
[17:44:30] <stpere> so, it's only revelent to one of the 2 tabs
[17:44:56] <stpere> someone see a problem with that?
[17:45:20] <Technix> stpere: what is the expected behaviour, is what you're asking?
[17:45:25] <stpere> yep
[17:45:32] <stpere> kindof :)
[17:45:35] <Technix> revert should apply to THAT tab only
[17:45:53] <stpere> but it's also visible when you switch tabs
[17:45:54] <Technix> as all changes are live, and are committed before the user closes the preflet anyhow
[17:46:06] <Technix> so then put a revert button on each tab?
[17:46:11] <stpere> oh
[17:46:18] <stpere> I see what you mean I think
[17:46:24] <umccullough> I'm just starting to warm up to linux myself ;)
[17:46:31] <umccullough> as a desktop i mean
[17:46:54] <stpere> when I get into timezone tab, I shouldn't see the revert button if it doesn't apply to that tab
[17:47:18] <Technix> don't get too cozy, we don't want you having a trist with something that will only cause you harm when you come home to Haiku and she's all like, "lipstick on your compiler I see... Well! You'll just have to run single threaded for a while."
[17:47:32] <Technix> stpere: correct
[17:47:47] <Technix> but if you make a change, it should show up then
[17:47:55] <stpere> Technix: thanks.. makes sense
[17:48:04] <Technix> or rather, its greyed out perhaps and then gets activated upon any change
[17:48:09] <stpere> oh
[17:48:10] <Technix> I'd go with this second course
[17:48:12] <stpere> last question
[17:49:24] <stpere> okay, let say I change something in first tab (let say I change the date), then the revert button gets activated.. then I switch to timezone tab, the revert button get disabled, if I go back to first tab, should it remember it was active last time?
[17:49:43] <Technix> of course
[17:49:47] <stpere> ok
[17:49:50] <Technix> each button should know its own state
[17:49:57] <Technix> and that's fairly easy
[17:50:09] <stpere> well, technically, the revert isn't in the tab itself
[17:50:13] <stpere> it's in the baseview
[17:50:21] <Technix> its attached to that BView, is it not?
[17:50:22] <stpere> is that an mistake of mine?
[17:50:33] <Technix> its a mistake of yours if its in the base window view
[17:50:37] <stpere> ok
[17:50:49] <stpere> I will put it in the tab view
[17:50:54] <stpere> so, it's more accurate
[17:51:00] <Technix> and also, invalidates properly too
[17:51:05] <stpere> yes
[17:51:11] <Technix> view-wise thatis
[17:51:39] <Technix> cause, what if we get something different in the UI that makes those tabs roll-up or whatever?
[17:52:02] <Technix> objects associated with a particular view should be added to that particular childview
[17:52:17] <Technix> using that ->AddChild() member
[17:52:26] <stpere> ok
[17:52:47] <tqh> hmm 32 mins uptime with firewire now.
[17:53:31] <Technix> very nice
[17:53:53] <korli> tqh be sure to provide a stack trace please
[17:54:20] <Technix> so, if Haiku were a woman...
[17:54:35] <Technix> What kind would she be, and what attributes would she have? :)
[17:54:45] <absabs> strange thing
[17:54:45] <Technix> Blonde, Brunette, Redhead?
[17:55:04] <tqh> korli: that's why I restarted it with firewire. But it ain't crashing. It been running gl-demos and chart for 34 mins now.
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[17:56:03] <CIA-52> mmu_man * r25185 /haiku/trunk/data/etc/profile: A space after the prompt really helps selecting only the command with double-click in Terminal.
[17:58:27] <CIA-52> mmu_man * r25186 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/bash/config.h: Fix building for BeOS.
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[18:06:15] <tqh> stupid perfectly running haiku system :)
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[18:07:16] <absabs> dunno what happend with firewire :)
[18:14:57] * Technix decides to dDOS tqh so that there will be some stress on the system. :P
[18:15:00] <Technix> there, happy?
[18:15:52] <tqh> nah, still working fine. Anyway I'm playing Sam and Max season 1 eps 3 so not to bothered :)
[18:16:42] <absabs> tqh, do you have a firewire device?
[18:16:51] <absabs> plug and play
[18:17:04] <absabs> to see if it will KDLed
[18:17:06] <tqh> no, no firewire devices
[18:17:07] <absabs> :)
[18:17:15] <absabs> I.C
[18:17:18] <Technix> woot.. round one of an interview questions have been sent to the developers of a secret project. woot.
[18:17:31] <Technix> You'll be seeing an interview on HN real soon
[18:17:44] <tqh> I know nothing of a secret project. Nothing I tell you!
[18:18:00] <Technix> actually, its not a secret project, really.
[18:18:15] <Technix> I'm interviewing the BePorts devs
[18:18:22] <tqh> I know nothing of any non secret projects. Nothing I tell you!
[18:18:26] <Technix> hehe
[18:19:29] <tqh> I really need to overclock my system, it's running way to cool after 1 hour of 100% cpu.
[18:19:36] <CIA-52> korli * r25187 /haiku/vendor/mesa/current/ (65 files in 13 dirs): updating mesa vendor with version 7.0.3
[18:20:24] <umccullough> tqh, it's probably still got a lot of downtime preventing it from getting hot
[18:20:34] <umccullough> you'd be surprised :)
[18:20:41] <CIA-52> korli * r25188 /haiku/vendor/mesa/7.0.3/: tagging Mesa 7.0.3
[18:20:50] <absabs> why 100% cpu?
[18:20:57] <umccullough> he's running glteapot
[18:20:58] <Technix> irq
[18:21:05] <absabs> I.C
[18:21:09] <Technix> Haiku IO sucks
[18:21:18] <tqh> umccullough: and gldirectmode and chart
[18:21:19] <Technix> so, its likely the cpu waiting
[18:21:28] <umccullough> even on a single-core machine - i've noticed temp differences just adding a second 100% cpu process
[18:22:05] <umccullough> i'm even referring to computations with tight asm routines doing all the work
[18:22:40] <tqh> activitymonitor things both are at 100% at least or 99,7 -100%
[18:22:57] <umccullough> try something similar with linux or windows ;)
[18:23:03] <umccullough> bet you hit higher temps
[18:23:34] <umccullough> and if you *really* wanna see your processor heat up, let me know - i've got some work for your machine to do when it's not busy ;)
[18:23:35] <tqh> also, I have added some gcc hints to kernel functions so it quite a bit different (__attribute__((fastcall))
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[18:24:22] <tqh> I think I can find own ways to peg them if I want to.
[18:24:29] <umccullough> heh
[18:24:59] <umccullough> if it's a P4 - it's quite good at integer maths
[18:25:17] <umccullough> IIRC
[18:25:19] <umccullough> i might be wrong on that
[18:25:20] <tqh> now with virtual x86, you could probably kill the app-server and go to mode X :)
[18:26:02] <tqh> if new gfx cards still support that.
[18:26:42] <tqh> it's Athlon x64 Black Edition here.
[18:26:53] <umccullough> anyhow, my point was - some people never reach the heat potential on their processors until you find the right combination of computation that pushes it to the limit
[18:27:24] <umccullough> and they'll overclock it prematurely thinking they've got the headroom
[18:27:29] <umccullough> and then boom.
[18:27:37] <umccullough> they run something like seventeen or bust and cook it
[18:28:17] <umccullough> I've seen at least two laptops die from running that
[18:28:42] <umccullough> and i've had my machine overheat a couple times
[18:30:04] <Monni> seventeen or bust is good for making perry shakes ;)
[18:31:00] <tqh> cpu, gpu and harddrive running together can really heat things up
[18:32:24] <umccullough> tqh, no doubt :P
[18:32:30] <umccullough> i dont' even have a fast vid card
[18:32:38] <umccullough> but my SATA RAID5 gets pretty damn hot
[18:33:12] <umccullough> i've noticed sites like toms hardware have started using Prime95 for load testing of overclocked systems
[18:33:25] <umccullough> that's pretty much the same codebase used for SoB
[18:33:28] <CIA-52> korli * r25189 /haiku/trunk/ (64 files in 12 dirs): updated mesa to 7.0.3
[18:33:59] <umccullough> it's a good method since it runs for ~24 hours and you can check the result to see if it's accurate
[18:36:12] <tqh> I'm happy it's working, but a bit annoyed that I can't do much with the machine while it does :)
[18:36:59] <umccullough> heh - crappy scheduler?
[18:39:51] <tqh> no, just don't have anything in that I can do from Haiku.
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[18:59:43] <Kokito> howdy
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[19:01:05] <absabs> hi kokito
[19:01:20] <absabs> is rtl8139 ok now?
[19:01:21] <stpere> hi Kokito
[19:01:23] <Kokito> absabs, staying up late?
[19:01:30] <absabs> yep:0
[19:01:32] <absabs> :)
[19:01:43] <emitrax> timezone ?
[19:02:24] <absabs> GMT +8
[19:02:51] <absabs> there is a same problem with firewire
[19:02:54] <burfi> rtl8139 works for me
[19:03:19] <absabs> just like rtl8139 two weeks ago
[19:03:53] <absabs> KDLed with "unhandled page fault"
[19:04:11] <absabs> but I dunno where's problem
[19:04:14] <absabs> :p
[19:04:20] <burfi> I can browse a bit with firefox
[19:04:26] <Kokito> absabs, still getting KDLs
[19:04:32] <absabs> ah
[19:04:44] <burfi> last try I went to a number of sites
[19:04:47] <Kokito> burfi, FF KDLs most of the time here
[19:05:00] <burfi> then page fault with youtube
[19:05:14] <absabs> Kokito, you try another night build?
[19:05:20] <Technix> does haikunews.org cause a pagefault for you, burfi ?
[19:05:39] <burfi> will need try
[19:05:39] <absabs> http://dev.haiku-os.org/attachment/ticket/1727/c2d%20kdl1.JPG
[19:05:55] <absabs> this is the same KDLed
[19:06:33] <absabs> but I beg, there is no memory problem in rtl8139 driver
[19:06:38] <absabs> also in firewire
[19:06:40] <absabs> :P
[19:08:06] <Kokito> bbbiab
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[19:13:00] <absabs> time to bed
[19:13:03] <absabs> night
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[19:20:41] <tqh> 2 hours that's it. I'm rebooting it.
[19:21:26] <tqh> it hang completly while shutting down though :/
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[19:23:04] <Technix> Kokito: was there something you needed when you asked my email earlier?
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[19:26:52] <Kokito> Technix: see pm
[19:27:19] <leszek> hi
[19:28:05] <Kokito> hi leszek
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[19:41:54] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25190 /haiku/trunk/ (build/jam/HaikuImage data/bin/ data/bin/which):
[19:41:54] <CIA-52> Added "which" script, so that the command can be invoked in shell
[19:41:54] <CIA-52> scripts, too.
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[19:50:59] <Stargater> hi
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[19:57:14] <ThomHolwerda> DeadYak: hah just remembered you wondering about my job this morning :P
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[19:58:24] <cps1966> ThomHolwerda: did you have hands on with eee pc 900
[19:59:11] <ThomHolwerda> cps1966: nope.
[19:59:15] <ThomHolwerda> wish i had
[19:59:18] <ThomHolwerda> i want one
[19:59:50] <cps1966> yeah so do i i got my son the 701 but i want 900
[19:59:59] <stpere> I can have one at cost
[20:00:14] <stpere> which shouldn't make a big difference :)
[20:00:25] <stpere> since it's already "low" priced
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[20:03:51] * AnEvilYak steals procton's coffee and runs away
[20:04:16] <stpere> ok, who took my pen?
[20:04:28] <stpere> I will turn off the light and turn them back on
[20:04:42] <procton> goody... you took the cheap stuff. Time for the good coffee.
[20:05:14] <tqh> the kind with added alcohol?
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[20:10:25] <cps1966> sambuca
[20:16:14] <hUMUNGUs> beer
[20:16:33] <cps1966> in coffee
[20:16:44] <cps1966> yuk
[20:19:12] <hUMUNGUs> hehe
[20:19:13] <hUMUNGUs> baileys
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[20:25:15] <stpere> vinegar
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[21:14:12] <mmu_man> plop
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[21:15:31] <helf> hi
[21:15:40] <helf> deadyak, you on?
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[21:29:21] * JonathanThompson just loves the ear-piercing nature of whole-building fire alarms going off
[21:29:23] <JonathanThompson> NOT
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[21:35:02] <CIA-52> mmu_man * r25191 /haiku/trunk/src/tools/fs_shell/fs_shell_command_unix.cpp: Missing close() calls just for the sake of it.
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[22:14:11] <CIA-52> mmu_man * r25192 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/login/ (9 files):
[22:14:11] <CIA-52> Header guard and copyrights.
[22:14:11] <CIA-52> Pets Pe's HeaderGuard and HeaderHeader extensions :)
[22:17:44] <geist> JonathanThompson: yeah, dont you wish they didn't make the fire alarms annoying?
[22:18:01] <geist> they should just make a nice little tinkle, gently warn you that maybe you should go outside
[22:18:10] <geist> or maybe just blink the lights 2 times
[22:18:16] <geist> to signal it's nap time
[22:19:27] <Technix> JonathanThompson: are you back yet? are you back yet? is the fire over? is it?
[22:19:28] <Technix> JonathanThompson: are you back yet? are you back yet? is the fire over? is it?
[22:19:32] <Technix> JonathanThompson: are you back yet? are you back yet? is the fire over? is it?
[22:19:37] <Technix> JonathanThompson: are you back yet? are you back yet? is the fire over? is it?
[22:19:42] <Technix> JonathanThompson: are you back yet? are you back yet? is the fire over? is it?
[22:19:45] <Technix> :P
[22:19:48] <stpere> yay
[22:19:50] <stpere> :)
[22:19:59] <stpere> not about the fire
[22:20:04] <Technix> LMAO
[22:20:05] <mmu_man> "Dear visitors, may we remind you that the building is on fire and you should probably start thinking about walking towards the fire exit and have a coffee at the nearest Starbucks while our brave firemen risk their lives to prevent the roof from falling so you can come back and resume your useless work."
[22:20:06] <Technix> sure
[22:20:21] <Technix> hey, that's very American!
[22:20:24] <Technix> good job mmu_man
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[22:20:41] <geist> yeah, mmu_man nailed it
[22:20:47] <mmu_man> FireTeller, now with embedded advertisement
[22:20:48] <mmu_man> :)
[22:21:11] <Technix> wait, that was a copy/paste jobbie?
[22:21:26] <mmu_man> no it's a brand new stuff
[22:21:29] <mmu_man> I should patent this
[22:21:33] <Technix> oh ok.. good job!
[22:21:39] <Technix> lol
[22:24:45] * geist already patents it and sues mmu_man into the ground
[22:25:04] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25193 /haiku/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs):
[22:25:04] <CIA-52> Added paranoia checks debug facility. It helps checking that data in
[22:25:04] <CIA-52> memory haven't changed behind one's back.
[22:25:06] <mmu_man> I have prior art proof
[22:25:13] <mmu_man> (the logs :p)
[22:25:14] <geist> i have more lawyers
[22:25:25] <mmu_man> "f*ck off, I'm a lawyer"
[22:25:28] <geist> you can't prove the logs aren't faked
[22:25:58] <Technix> actually, the logs are also recorded online
[22:26:03] <Technix> pretty hard to fake those. :P
[22:26:17] * geist shuts down the internet
[22:26:26] <Technix> wait! you can't @@#%#$%%NOCARRIER
[22:26:36] <mmu_man> http://turnofftheinternet.com/ ?
[22:26:39] <geist> +++ATH
[22:26:41] <Technix> heh
[22:26:46] <Technix> ATM1L1
[22:26:50] <Technix> I prefer that
[22:27:26] <Technix> 50 points to the first person to say what that does, in fact
[22:27:46] <geist> dunno
[22:27:54] <geist> it's probably one of the extended ones
[22:28:06] <Technix> naw, just a normal code
[22:28:21] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25194 /haiku/trunk/src/system/runtime_loader/runtime_loader.c:
[22:28:21] <CIA-52> Temporarily added the /boot/home/config/* paths to the executable,
[22:28:21] <CIA-52> library, and add-on search paths. Can be removed again, when certain
[22:28:21] <CIA-52> optional packages have been moved to /boot/common.
[22:28:34] <geist> well, it's been about 15 years for me, so I conceed
[22:29:05] <tqh> hmm, I can you sound of how it sounds on a 14.4k modem :)
[22:29:16] <tqh> send you..
[22:29:19] <mmu_man> VOLUME LOW=ATM1L1
[22:29:21] <Technix> yeah, modems? unfortunately I have to support dialup at work.
[22:29:24] * mmu_man pets yahoo.com
[22:29:29] * Technix awards 50 points to mmu_man
[22:29:36] <Technix> damn, I should have clarified no search engines
[22:29:38] <geist> oooh yeah
[22:29:45] <geist> ATM that's right, volume stuff
[22:29:50] <Technix> :P
[22:30:01] <geist> i always had an external modem with an actual volume knob
[22:30:16] <Technix> my first was a 2400 usr external
[22:30:21] <mmu_man> I have a USR around
[22:30:29] <Technix> it overheated a lot so I took the cover off and wrapped it in a pantyhose
[22:30:34] <tqh> made me think of the good old days when you could here what your computer was doing by the noise.
[22:30:35] <mmu_man> ah, reminds me I wanted to get this tty module done
[22:30:36] <Technix> (to keep dust out)
[22:30:37] <geist> yeah, i have some hayes somewhere in a box
[22:30:48] <geist> mmu_man: what is the deal with tty modules and beos?
[22:30:53] * Technix smacks mmu_man GET BACK TO WORK
[22:31:02] <geist> I hope you aren't trying to copy the shitty tty module in beos?
[22:31:08] <mmu_man> geist why not ?
[22:31:24] <geist> because it was probably the worst code in the entire os
[22:31:28] <mmu_man> (not not the ugly pascal macros)
[22:31:32] <geist> it and terminal
[22:31:37] <geist> written by the same guy
[22:31:49] <mmu_man> yes
[22:31:53] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25195 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/stack/net_buffer.cpp:
[22:31:53] <CIA-52> Added some paranoia debug code. We track only the buffer size ATM, and
[22:31:53] <CIA-52> check that is remains the sum of its data node used sizes.
[22:31:58] <geist> that actually was the primary reason we never actually open sources terminal, even though folks asked a lot
[22:32:03] <geist> the code was too shameful
[22:32:41] <mmu_man> well the tty module interface itself isn't that bad
[22:32:43] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25196 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Added object cache kernel tracing.
[22:32:55] <mmu_man> once you know what to do with it it's quite easy to use it.
[22:32:58] <geist> ah okay
[22:33:23] <geist> well, I was sad it was another newos thing getting replaced, but I think the pty driver had been redone a long time ago
[22:33:30] <mmu_man> there is a tty.doc in beos sources describing it I think, but it was never published :^)
[22:33:36] <geist> everytime someone rewrites a newos piece, a little part of me dies inside
[22:34:13] <mmu_man> and http://pezzgirl.blogspot.com/2005/12/every-time-you-masterbate-god-kills.html
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[22:34:48] <Technix> lol
[22:34:53] <Technix> reading his mind, mmu_man ?
[22:35:52] <mmu_man> btw you are free to send diffs to rewrite it yourself :D
[22:36:39] * Thom_Holwerda waveas
[22:36:41] <geist> yeah, dont have the time to get my head wrapped around the haiku stuff
[22:36:42] <Thom_Holwerda> err
[22:36:45] * Thom_Holwerda waves
[22:37:00] <geist> since basically everything was moved around, it's like a weird doppleganger to newos code
[22:37:03] * Technix waves Thom_Holwerda around a lil
[22:37:08] <geist> which means i have to basically relearn the entire code base
[22:37:26] <Technix> Thom_Holwerda: got a sec?
[22:37:47] <geist> though i have been thinking of looking at the smp mailbox stuff, see if TLB shootdowns can be optimized a bit
[22:37:52] <Thom_Holwerda> Technix: sure...?
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[22:48:09] <stpere> now, why is my BMessage disappearing.. sigh
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[22:49:29] <helf> hi
[22:49:39] <stpere> hi helf
[22:50:06] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25197 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/slab/Slab.cpp: Removed some leftover junk.
[22:50:07] <helf> hi stpere
[22:50:10] <helf> how goes it?
[22:50:26] <stpere> headache from debugging that simple piece of code
[22:50:33] <helf> heh
[22:50:33] <stpere> that should work but isn't.. of course :)
[22:51:14] <helf> figures :P
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[23:01:55] <Technix> it comes down to a missing ;
[23:01:57] <Technix> always. :P
[23:03:04] <stpere> haha
[23:03:07] <stpere> it compiles
[23:03:23] <stpere> so the error isn'T that easy to find
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[23:07:24] <Stargater> stpere what did you do = coding what?
[23:07:35] <DeadYak> geist: was the TTY layer Rico  Tudor by any chance?
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[23:08:05] <stpere> oh, a simple revert button in time preferences
[23:08:19] <stpere> the kMsgRevert message I'm sending isn't even getting throuh
[23:08:24] <stpere> no idea why
[23:09:33] <Stargater> can i see the code how add kMsgRevert
[23:11:30] <stpere> sec Stargater
[23:11:43] <Stargater> ok
[23:11:51] <stpere> trying a suggestion from Deadyak then if unsuccesful, I will pastebin it
[23:12:41] <mmu_man> DeadYak yeah there is even a rico.h header :)
[23:12:59] <DeadYak> mmu_man: was that the one with #define unless(x) if(!x), and all that crap?
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[23:15:35] <Stargater> hu EuanK
[23:15:40] <EuanK> howdy
[23:15:41] <Stargater> hu = hi;
[23:15:50] <mmu_man> DeadYak yeah all the pascal wrappers :)
[23:15:53] <DeadYak> hi EuanK
[23:15:58] <DeadYak> mmu_man: yeah, ugh
[23:16:03] <DeadYak> mmu_man: thanks for making me remember :P
[23:16:12] <DeadYak> mmu_man: though RNodeManager takes the cake still
[23:17:30] <Stargater> stpere sec = min;
[23:18:14] <stpere> heh, yes, sorry, I think I've figured it out
[23:18:22] <stpere> well, Deadyak did :)
[23:18:41] <Stargater> ok
[23:18:46] <stpere> thanks anyway
[23:18:55] <Stargater> np
[23:20:14] <CIA-52> mmu_man * r25198 /haiku/trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): A stubbed tty bus manager.
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[23:37:20] <CIA-52> mmu_man * r25199 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/tty/ (tty.cpp tty.h tty_private.h):
[23:48:00] <Thom_Holwerda> oh that's nice of Microsoft
[23:48:05] <Thom_Holwerda> "E. CONSUMER RIGHTS NOT AFFECTED.  You may have additional consumer rights under
[23:48:06] <Thom_Holwerda> your local laws, which this agreement cannot change."
[23:48:13] <Thom_Holwerda> (from the vista EULA)
[23:50:57] <mmu_man> nice of them :)
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[23:55:27] <CIA-52> stippi * r25200 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/servers/registrar/ (3 files): Fix the build of the registrar for the app_server test environment.
[23:56:32] <xcasex> did i mention how haiku makes my nipples very stiff ;)
[23:56:48] <CIA-52> mmu_man * r25201 /haiku/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
[23:57:24] <CIA-52> stippi * r25202 /haiku/trunk/src/ (build/libhaikucompat/misc.cpp kits/Jamfile):
[23:57:24] <CIA-52> * Include KMessage in libbe_haiku.so again.
[23:57:24] <CIA-52> * Export a fake _get_port_message_info_etc() for KMessage in libbe_haiku.so
[23:57:24] <CIA-52> This fixes the build of the app_server test environment.
[23:59:28] * helf smacks DeadYak
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[23:59:33] * DeadYak meeps
[23:59:50] <helf> tried it yet?
[23:59:56] <DeadYak> check your text messages :P

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