April 24, 2008 
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April 24, 2008 [00:07:02] *** nibble has quit IRC[00:07:23] *** jiuda_D`arkness has joined #haiku[00:14:06] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[00:14:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Kokito[00:14:20] <Kokito> howdy[00:14:57] <stpere> hey koki![00:15:29] <stpere> can I talk to you in priv?[00:16:27] *** Kernel86_ is now known as Kernel86[00:18:17] <Kokito> yes stpere[00:19:57] <duaneb> does haiku have a virtual 8086 mode?[00:20:40] <MindChild> Didnt someone just ask this?[00:23:33] <duaneb> No.[00:23:55] <oco> duaneb : there was discussion about virtual 8086 mode in haiku-developper mailling list last week end[00:24:02] <duaneb> oh[00:24:03] <duaneb> ok[00:24:05] <oco> someone is working on something like that[00:24:07] <duaneb> I'll search for it :)[00:27:38] *** wildur has quit IRC[00:31:31] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[00:31:32] *** jiuda_D`arkness is now known as Barrett666[00:32:09] *** duaneb has quit IRC[00:32:20] <CIA-52> julun * r25120 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/print/ (PrinterListView.cpp PrinterListView.h):[00:32:20] <CIA-52> * remove and delete listview items[00:32:20] <CIA-52> * removed unmaintained fNode var from listview[00:32:20] <CIA-52> * don't exit just in case we can't load the icons,[00:32:20] <CIA-52> instead draw an string what the default printer is[00:32:21] <CIA-52> * call create_directory only if the printers dir does not exist[00:33:22] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[00:35:05] <ddew|bofh> is anyone actively working on the vm_page_fault panics caused by the block writer?[00:37:38] <Kokito> good question for the [haiku-development] mailing list ddew|bofh :)[00:38:37] <ddew|bofh> wouldn't sending an email just asking for a status report be kinda rude? :)[00:40:49] <Kokito> if you ask because you had an interest in working on it yourself, and would like to avoid duplication, then no. if you ask just to know the status, then yes.[00:41:23] <ddew|bofh> well then it'd be rude since i lack the skills necessary to do any good beside testing[00:45:38] <Kokito> that may be the case then :)[00:46:42] <ddew|bofh> wish i could do more but i'll have to stick with being a hard-core tester for the time being :P[00:50:41] <oco> ddew|bofh : then, the only thing you can do is trying to reproduce it in a simpler and reproductible scenario. Then it could help solve it faster. But not the simpliest thing to do.[00:51:00] <ddew|bofh> oh i can reproduce it very easily[00:51:22] <oco> with a simple command on a fresh install ?[00:51:36] <oco> and short (few minutes)[00:52:02] <ddew|bofh> well i need to ftp a file over to the box and it takes a few minutes to provoce the crash[00:52:04] *** urnenfeld has left #haiku[00:52:25] <oco> i think that could help[00:52:44] <ddew|bofh> reproducing it now to add my bt to kaoutsis bug #2150[00:52:47] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[00:53:21] <oco> it was not #2059 ?[00:54:23] <ddew|bofh> it looks like 2150 is just a new ticket for the same bug[00:55:33] <oco> the file sended through ftp is large ?[00:55:45] <ddew|bofh> not really, about 300 megs[00:55:52] <ddew|bofh> the crash happens when i unzip it[00:56:26] <ddew|bofh> but it crashes all the same when i try to use svn[00:57:08] <oco> because it could be faster to repdroduce in your case than downloading 1 Go through svn in the case of bug #2059[00:57:39] <ddew|bofh> actually downloading from svn is slightly fast than unzipping :)[00:57:44] <ddew|bofh> *faster[00:58:56] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[00:59:37] <ddew|bofh> but since it appears to be the same bug what i do is pretty irrelevant, it was just more convenient to unzip a file already on that partition[01:00:47] <oco> if it is more convenient for you, it could be for developpers. I think you should add your scenario.[01:01:10] <ddew|bofh> yeah, i'll add that note when i post the trace.[01:08:14] *** petterhj has quit IRC[01:12:29] *** inseculous has quit IRC[01:13:34] *** vbmithr has quit IRC[01:14:05] <ddew|bofh> aha![01:14:17] <ddew|bofh> the serial log showed an interesting thing[01:22:35] *** helf has joined #haiku[01:22:39] <helf> yo[01:23:01] <ddew|bofh> hey[01:24:30] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[01:31:05] <Kokito> hi DeadYak[01:31:14] <DeadYak> hiya[01:31:18] <helf> hey yak[01:31:26] * DeadYak pets helf[01:31:29] <stpere> hi Dead ;-)[01:31:34] <stpere> ok, bad short form[01:31:39] <DeadYak> hi :)[01:33:54] <helf> i say yak :P[01:34:23] <helf> anyone have one of those hdd enclosures you get when you buy one?[01:34:32] <helf> plastic case[01:36:15] <[Katisu]> external you mean?[01:36:15] <DeadYak> not I[01:36:49] <stpere> god, 7:30PM and I'm exhausted :=\[01:37:14] *** Wiss has left #haiku[01:38:44] *** Odium has quit IRC[01:46:32] *** oco has quit IRC[01:49:29] <ddew|bofh> haha, what a brilliant band-name: "The Bastard Fairies"[02:02:36] <stpere> night![02:05:26] *** luroh has quit IRC[02:25:25] *** umccullough_ubu has joined #haiku[02:30:56] *** stargater has quit IRC[02:35:48] *** ozy` has joined #haiku[02:43:11] *** _Lucretia_ has quit IRC[02:44:06] *** _Lucretia_ has joined #haiku[02:44:49] *** nanoid has joined #haiku[02:44:59] *** nanoid is now known as TheNerd[02:55:53] *** pyCube has quit IRC[03:15:28] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[03:18:27] *** DaaT has quit IRC[03:21:38] <umccullough_ubu> DeadYak, feeding the troll?[03:21:39] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[03:25:16] * mmadia is able to count the weight he physically moved today in tons.[03:28:00] <umccullough_ubu> nice[03:28:54] <mmadia> wasn't the first word that came to mind ; )[03:29:50] <mmadia> 3 pallets, 36 blocks each at 80# a piece.[03:30:29] <mmadia> onto to another pallet, then off of it. ... that was before lunch too[03:40:47] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[03:53:16] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[03:57:17] *** mmadia has quit IRC[04:04:00] <Technix> test[04:04:43] <DeadYak> umccullough_ubu: clarifying since he appears to have no clue whatsoever what those options actually mean[04:07:18] <umccullough_ubu> i know :)[04:07:39] <umccullough_ubu> he basically doesn't have an f'ing clue what's really happening[04:07:51] <DeadYak> sounds more like he either torched something or his drive's corrupted[04:08:00] <umccullough_ubu> nice[04:08:09] <umccullough_ubu> perhaps he mounted it in Haiku and corrupted it[04:08:21] <umccullough_ubu> basically would serve him right for "testing" an OS that he thinks is usable[04:08:22] <Technix> where is this convo taking place?[04:08:26] <umccullough_ubu> mailing list[04:08:36] <Technix> ah[04:09:17] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[04:13:17] <ddew|bofh> heh, Luposian is kinda entertaining in a perverse kinda way[04:15:08] <[Katisu]> I like how he wants help and then leaves out details of exactly what he did[04:15:39] <DeadYak> ddew|bofh: you're up late :P[04:15:39] <umccullough_ubu> i like how he just disrupts my inbox with his bullshit[04:15:50] <ddew|bofh> his total unwillingness to follow instructions and go on a rant instead of explaining the issues rocks[04:16:10] <ddew|bofh> DeadYak: yeah, got hooked on nextstep :)[04:16:29] <[Katisu]> actually, I'm enjoying it myself[04:16:46] <[Katisu]> because I'll probably end up having to put up with similar people in the not so far future[04:17:55] <[Katisu]> especially if my interviews today went as well as I thought[04:18:00] *** absabs has joined #haiku[04:18:11] <ddew|bofh> yeah? what position are you applying for?[04:18:28] <ddew|bofh> or rather, what kinda job? :)[04:19:08] <[Katisu]> IT position at a hospital[04:19:21] <ddew|bofh> nice[04:20:05] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25121 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/stack/net_socket.cpp:[04:20:05] <CIA-52> When splitting the send request into multiple buffers, we must[04:20:05] <CIA-52> succeed after we have successfully sent the first buffer, even if not a[04:20:05] <CIA-52> single byte of some following buffer could be sent. We should probably[04:20:05] <CIA-52> even succeed whatever the error code -- not sure what is the reason[04:20:06] <CIA-52> for only doing that for B_WOULD_BLOCK and B_INTERRUPTED.[04:21:57] <pyCube> gadzooks![04:22:38] *** the_webers_inc has joined #haiku[04:23:09] *** pyCube has quit IRC[04:23:16] * [Katisu] is sure umccullough_ubu's mailbox is disrupted with other bs[04:23:27] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25122 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/protocols/unix/ (UnixFifo.cpp UnixFifo.h):[04:23:27] <CIA-52> Fixed the write behavior: Blocking writes should write what they can[04:23:27] <CIA-52> and loop until everything has been written. Non-blocking writes should[04:23:27] <CIA-52> write as much as they can and return B_WOULD_BLOCK, if that wasn't the[04:23:27] <CIA-52> whole request.[04:39:37] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[04:42:37] <Technix> congrats [Katisu][04:45:12] *** umccullough_ubu has quit IRC[05:05:47] *** the_webers_inc has quit IRC[05:08:46] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[05:10:07] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[05:13:01] *** Odium has joined #haiku[05:27:20] <Sememmon> So.. ages ago, I loved BeOS.. bought a copy w/ the productivity suite and all that fun stuff. I was just poking around online recently, reading about it and discovered Haiku. Will it run all the same software that Be used to run? Or does it just look/act like Be but cannot run old be apps?[05:28:43] <ddew|bofh> it will run r5 apps[05:29:00] <ddew|bofh> that's the point of haiku r1, full binary compatibility[05:29:17] <ddew|bofh> it's why it's taken 7 years to reach a semi-working state :)[05:30:22] *** helf has quit IRC[05:34:06] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[05:48:46] <Technix> Sememmon: furthermore, all of the bugs (as best to the ability of the devs, naturally) that existed in BeOS, will be squashed. Further to THAT, features that were never implemented (Layouts) will be implemented.[05:49:35] <Technix> pretty much all of this applies to R1 (Release 1), and there exists a mailing list discussing the features that should/could be done for R2[05:50:16] <Sememmon> interesting.[05:50:29] <Sememmon> Technix: ddew|bofh: ty for the info.[05:55:35] *** absabs has quit IRC[05:59:57] <Kokito> hey Technix[06:00:23] *** MichaelHenry has joined #haiku[06:01:03] <Technix> hey Kokito[06:01:05] <Technix> whats shakin[06:01:36] <Kokito> preparing for a meeting tomorrow morning[06:01:49] <Kokito> meeting a new potential customer[06:02:42] *** UndeadYak has joined #haiku[06:04:52] *** UndeadYak has quit IRC[06:05:04] <Technix> hope it goes well for you, Kokito[06:05:21] <Kokito> Technix, we'll see :)[06:06:13] * Technix prepares for work, tty'alllater[06:06:14] <Technix> :)[06:06:57] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[06:11:35] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[06:15:44] <umccullough> hrm... my usb stick isn't booting :([06:15:53] <umccullough> "missing operating system" -- guess i screwed osmething up[06:16:00] <umccullough> no mbr?[06:16:14] *** umccullough_x has joined #haiku[06:19:50] <umccullough_x> ah, makebootable helped[06:19:53] <umccullough_x> crashed though[06:20:35] *** umccullough_x has quit IRC[06:20:51] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[06:25:18] *** _Megaf is now known as Megaf_[06:25:45] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[06:27:05] <DeadYak> one of my friends manages to find some truly bizarre stuff on amazon[06:29:43] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[06:31:17] <umccullough> :P[06:36:44] *** crash_ has quit IRC[06:41:15] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[06:41:45] * JonathanThompson asks innocently, "Only one?"[06:42:15] <DeadYak> only one what?[06:42:19] <DeadYak> oh[06:42:22] <umccullough> heh[06:42:25] <DeadYak> only one seems to go out of his way :P[06:54:56] *** Odium has quit IRC[07:01:51] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps more accurately, only one goes out of their way to tell you about the things they found ;)[07:02:06] <JonathanThompson> (The others are too self-conscious of their image to ding it that way)[07:11:30] <DeadYak> lol[07:11:39] <JonathanThompson> :)[07:11:46] <DeadYak> trust me, the last thing most of my friends have to worry about is self image[07:11:54] <JonathanThompson> And I'm the one who has no problem talking about weird dreams ;)[07:12:47] <JonathanThompson> Like one of yesterday's dream segments where I seemed to have a sci-fi monofilament tool and went 3/4 through cutting off my right leg below the knee before I realized what I was doing, and pushed it back together ;)[07:18:27] *** AndrevS has quit IRC[07:20:02] <Kokito> JonathanThompson, the NHK TV news reported today that they caught the guy who vandalized the tulips in Tokyo. He was cought in camera. :)[07:20:28] * JonathanThompson notes even the tulips have guardian avenging angels[07:21:13] <JonathanThompson> I expect the whole Microsoft/Yahoo thing could get interesting by the end of this week.[07:21:29] <Kokito> JonathanThompson, he turned out to be a "suit and tie" businessman[07:21:46] <JonathanThompson> I guess his wife likes tulips, and he didn't want to pay for that many?[07:22:24] <Kokito> no, he wasn't taking the flowers with him. he was just hitting them with his umbrella.[07:22:31] <JonathanThompson> Huh.[07:22:43] <Kokito> so he was probably drunk or too stressed, or both[07:22:52] <JonathanThompson> Cheap thrill, until they caught up with the Tulip Terrorist.[07:25:07] <Kokito> and apparently he did it not only once, but several times[07:25:20] <JonathanThompson> You mean over more than one day?[07:26:03] <Kokito> yes[07:26:08] <JonathanThompson> I see.[07:26:39] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps it wasn't that of being drunk or too stressed by typical things, but for the thrill of seeing if he could (and seeming to) get away with some sort of crime.[07:27:07] <Kokito> http://www.japantoday.com/category/crime/view/tulip-vandal-strikes-again-in-maebashi[07:28:42] <JonathanThompson> The comments are entertaining :)[07:31:39] <Kokito> ok, off to bed now[07:31:47] <Kokito> night folks![07:31:59] * JonathanThompson staples Kokito into bed[07:32:09] *** Kokito has quit IRC[07:34:38] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[07:45:14] <Thom_Holwerda> the humanity![07:45:24] <Thom_Holwerda> those poor tulips :([07:48:10] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[07:48:31] <Teknomancer> hiya Begasus[07:48:45] <Begasus> morning[07:48:49] <Begasus> hey Teknomancer ! ;)[08:00:05] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[08:11:11] <Technix> yo Begasus wassup[08:11:29] <Begasus> hi Technix ![08:11:34] <Begasus> checking up on mail ;)[08:11:38] <Technix> coooo[08:11:47] <Begasus> gsoc gets to be busy this summer I think ;)[08:11:55] <Technix> I'm writing up some interview questions[08:12:15] <Begasus> preparing interview? ;)[08:12:18] <Technix> actually, you know what. I'm going to ask the community for a lil input[08:12:28] <Begasus> looks like you gut the bugs in the blood again ;)[08:12:53] <Technix> yeah, I know what you mean[08:16:00] <Begasus> mailbox is running overtime atm :D[08:26:33] *** pmr has quit IRC[08:28:52] <Technix> http://haikunews.org/1288[08:45:27] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[08:48:02] *** Thom_Holwerda has quit IRC[09:19:06] *** [1][Katisu] has joined #haiku[09:25:58] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[09:29:28] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[09:36:58] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[09:36:58] *** [1][Katisu] is now known as [Katisu][09:42:54] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[09:43:13] <Technix> hi all![09:43:37] * JonathanThompson meows in Technixcolor at Technix[09:43:58] <DHowett> hey :P[09:44:55] *** tradewind has joined #haiku[09:45:24] <Technix> mmm. Technixcolor...[09:45:43] <Technix> man, http://wayoutthere.net:7000 is playing some WICKED music tonite[09:46:44] <Technix> my girl absolutely loves Deep Forest, too.[09:47:57] * Technix has this song cranked right now... pretty sweet bass line[09:50:34] *** slaad has joined #haiku[09:51:31] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[09:57:58] <Technix> any javascript coders here? I have a quick question[09:59:15] *** absabs has joined #haiku[10:01:42] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[10:20:00] * JonathanThompson notes that often questions and answers are inversely proportional in length and apparent complexity to each other :)[10:20:34] *** SprMa_ has joined #haiku[10:21:06] *** SprMa_ has quit IRC[10:23:48] * JonathanThompson kicks Technix into awakeness[10:24:19] *** SprMa has quit IRC[10:26:16] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[10:31:02] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[10:38:19] <Technix> blarg[10:38:51] <Technix> you know what? I had some work to do here (I'm at work) and now I've forgotten what my question was. sigh[10:39:18] <Begasus> tss .. old age stepping in? :p[10:40:31] <Technix> seems so[10:41:00] * slaad peers.[10:41:14] <Technix> oh right![10:41:19] <Technix> it was captcha related[10:42:54] <Begasus> hyas slaad ;)[10:42:58] <Technix> would a php generated bit of javascript that has a shared key be useful in a captcha situation? I'm thinking of generating a keypair and then using that in a captcha sorta way, with ajax to fetch the keypair in encrypted fashion, and then generate a bit of innerHTML magic to show the user what they need to input[10:43:27] <Begasus> 0_0[10:43:27] <Technix> basically, do captcha busting bots use javascript these days too?[10:43:44] <rennj> they higher people in africa and shit to do it[10:43:49] <rennj> hehe[10:43:52] <Technix> AH.. damm[10:44:02] <Technix> you're right, I forgot about the human busters[10:44:08] <rennj> human factor[10:44:12] <slaad> From my understanding a lot of breaking uses porn portals.[10:44:13] <rennj> slave labor[10:44:18] <rennj> act as a computer[10:44:21] <slaad> "Sign up for 1 hours free pr0n. Just entere in this CAPTCHA!"[10:44:47] <Technix> hrmm... and its easy enough to curl my site[10:45:06] <Technix> or iframe it[10:45:44] <Technix> ok, that basically answers my question then. I don't like captchas anyhow[10:46:00] <Technix> so, I'll rely on an abuse tracking method, which means involving moderators (sorta)[10:47:46] <slaad> I suggest a simple captcha.[10:48:19] <Technix> AND... hows this for an idea: initial signups have a limitation: no html, no www or email addresses in any comments, until they make at least 10 comments, sorta like a trial period[10:49:29] <Technix> slaad: what do you mean, simple?[10:49:55] <slaad> $RandomNumber$ + $RandomNumber$ =[10:50:02] <slaad> Or "What's the Nth letter of this string?"[10:50:13] <Technix> any captcha is going to be defeated by the human factor[10:50:21] <Technix> as rennj pointed out[10:50:23] <slaad> Indeed.[10:50:32] <Technix> so I will totally forego it[10:50:37] <slaad> Which is why I'm suggesting a simple one. It's easy to implement.[10:50:47] <slaad> Also, unless you're getting a shit load of traffic, why would they bother?[10:50:52] <Technix> I do not want to add any additional steps in the commenting flow[10:51:13] <slaad> For most people having to register is a larger step than a captcha[10:51:14] <Technix> how does 1mil pageviews a month grab you?[10:51:21] <Technix> that's what tbj had at its pek[10:51:22] <Technix> peak[10:51:38] <slaad> In the context of the intertubes? Not very much.[10:51:46] <slaad> In the context of a BeOS / Haiku site? Sure, lots.[10:52:16] <Technix> its still significant. It's not /., or OSNews, but still significant[10:52:33] <Technix> and really, that peak was when things were starting to get rolling, around R4.5 - R5 times[10:53:17] <Technix> I imagine we'd have hit a few mil easy enough, and I could have seen it hil 10mil a month, after a while, once we expanded our userbase, but as history turned out, the PalmSource happened, etc.[10:53:20] <slaad> Anyhow, my point is, I think there's better targets for a human based attack.[10:53:26] <Technix> yes, agreed.[10:53:44] <slaad> And as such, I'd recommend a simple captcha over a registration based approach.[10:53:46] *** DHowett has left #haiku[10:53:52] <slaad> (Not to say don't offer the ability to register)[10:53:56] <Technix> I just think reallllly long term, so that once this stuff is done, I don't have to worry about it. Ever. Again.[10:54:25] <Technix> oh, registration is pretty simple, and it requires an email that is already not taken[10:54:56] <slaad> It's a conceptual barrier though, Technix.[10:55:04] <Technix> anything I do, its going to be simple for end users, and by the same token, simple for spammers if they ever choose to abuse me[10:55:30] <Technix> which is why we'll have to have an abuse tracking system to clean up comments.[10:55:49] * slaad nods[10:56:08] <slaad> I'm rather happy with the system I implemented on my blog. I used to get ~10 spam a day. I've not had a single one since I implemented it.[10:57:31] <Technix> which is where?[10:58:05] <slaad> My blog;[10:58:06] <slaad> http://beos.bong.com.au/[10:59:02] <Technix> Haiku-os.org does not use captchas, and have no spam...[10:59:15] <slaad> What do they use? Registration?[10:59:22] <Technix> yes, you must be registered[10:59:26] <slaad> Yeah.[10:59:26] <Technix> same as with hn[10:59:33] <slaad> And I've never commented on either :)[10:59:39] <Technix> so you think just registration is enough?[11:00:03] <slaad> No, no.[11:00:10] <Begasus> I have registration on zeta-games and still it's not enough to stop the spam robots ...[11:00:12] <slaad> I think registration is a high conceptual barrier to commenting.[11:00:28] <slaad> If I just want to fire off a quick comment, I'm not going to register.[11:00:41] <Technix> then how do I know it came from you?[11:00:52] <Technix> see, this is also tied into my wanting to use openID[11:01:04] <slaad> You don't.[11:01:15] <slaad> It's a matter of trust though.[11:27:07] *** Roderic has joined #Haiku[11:27:09] *** Roderic is now known as Ingenu[11:32:38] *** vbmithr has joined #haiku[11:43:24] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[11:52:30] <CIA-52> axeld * r25123 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/ (TextControl.cpp TextInput.cpp):[11:52:30] <CIA-52> * Made the archive version of BTextControl::_InitData() more resistant against[11:52:30] <CIA-52> a broken archive - it will now create a new _BTextInput_ child, if it couldn't[11:52:30] <CIA-52> find one. This fixes #2086.[11:52:30] <CIA-52> * Cleanup.[11:53:18] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[11:56:04] <CIA-52> axeld * r25124 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/support/Archivable.cpp: (log message trimmed)[11:56:04] <CIA-52> * Large cleanup. 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This could cause all kinds of trouble, and[13:28:45] <CIA-52> fixes at least a part of #2148.[13:29:51] *** surrounder has quit IRC[13:29:57] *** surround1r is now known as surrounder[13:38:55] <stpere> morning[13:39:02] <Technix> good morning[13:40:23] <Technix> cool, there's someone that works for the gov't of Nova Scotia that uses Haiku[13:47:53] *** hbhth has joined #haiku[13:57:11] *** tkack_ has joined #haiku[14:00:37] *** aljen has quit IRC[14:01:59] *** tkack_ has quit IRC[14:08:55] *** Wiss has joined #haiku[14:14:43] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[14:16:03] <stpere> http://www.tc.gc.ca/marinesafety/CES/small-commercial-vessels/ACV.htm[14:16:14] <stpere> that vehicle just passed by my window :)[14:16:19] <stpere> quite impressive :)[14:16:50] *** slaad has joined #haiku[14:19:42] <Wiss> lol[14:23:24] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[14:24:05] *** TimKack_ has joined #haiku[14:24:27] *** TimKack_ is now known as TimKack[14:27:59] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[14:38:14] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[14:38:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[14:38:58] *** absab1 has joined #haiku[14:40:27] *** tradewind has quit IRC[14:40:52] *** absabs has quit IRC[14:42:48] * DeadYak plops mmu_man[14:43:10] <absab1> am I online?[14:43:20] <mmu_man> plop[14:43:23] <absab1> bad network[14:43:36] <mmu_man> very quiet here...[14:44:05] <absab1> I guess people are busy coding and hacking[14:44:06] <absab1> :D[14:44:12] <DeadYak> yeah it is[14:44:32] <slaad> Yes, a little too quiet.[14:44:35] * slaad squints[14:44:52] <mmu_man> oh a 3rd one alive :D[14:45:07] * slaad throws things at mmu_man.[14:45:13] <slaad> Finish the port :P[14:45:19] * DeadYak flings USB flash sticks at slaad[14:45:21] <DeadYak> what port?[14:45:28] <slaad> libusb. I got stuck.[14:45:34] <slaad> So like any smart person, I handed it off to mmu_man :P[14:46:01] <slaad> But he keeps whinging about doing it... something about "needing sleep"[14:46:55] <mmu_man> yeah I still have some archaic biological needs[14:47:45] <slaad> Coffee and an empty can fixes those needs.[14:50:50] <DaaT> mmu_man, you wuss[14:51:05] <DaaT> your kung fu teachings should help you go on without sleep[14:51:13] <DaaT> shame on you grasshopper[14:51:37] <Technix> DaaT, get my message?[14:54:07] <DaaT> nope[14:54:08] <DaaT> where?[14:54:15] <Technix> memoserv[14:55:46] *** helf|away is now known as helf[14:55:53] <helf> guten morgen ![14:56:04] <Technix> moin moin[14:57:44] <DaaT> didn't notice[14:57:51] <DaaT> lunch time, i'll check after[14:58:43] <Technix> meh[14:58:55] <Technix> just wanted to ask why some articles do not link to their stories on ISO[14:58:59] <Technix> ICO*[14:59:16] <Technix> like the GSoC article, it talks about it, but there's no link to it?[15:01:08] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[15:03:16] <helf> D:[15:03:23] <helf> the VW diesel hybrid is DOA[15:03:24] <helf> :([15:03:33] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[15:03:42] <DeadYak> helf: why?[15:04:08] <helf> DeadYak: http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/23/vw-diesel-hybrid-is-doa/[15:04:10] <helf> :([15:04:15] <helf> I was looking forward to that[15:06:28] <helf> I left my phone at my grandparents last night.. i feel so naked without it.. :P[15:07:36] <DeadYak> helf: it does bring up valid points though, if such a golf would cost $5-10k more than a regular one then it'd take you a really long time to make that up in terms of gas money[15:08:43] <helf> true, but I don't really care. I just wanted a diesel hybrid to play with :P[15:09:03] <helf> gas hit 3.499 here :( i had to get some last night..[15:09:14] <DeadYak> yeah, it's in that range up here too[15:09:27] <helf> that means it'll cost me almost $95 to fill up, now.[15:09:33] <helf> slowly approaching $100[15:09:34] <DeadYak> I'd start biking to work, but there's no reasonable route to do that which couldn't be summed up as "suicide"[15:09:35] <helf> *sigh*[15:09:42] <helf> yeah, same here[15:09:47] <DeadYak> this is why I don't drive a van, SUV, etc.[15:09:52] <helf> :)[15:09:58] <helf> i wont be driving mine much, shortly. if all goes well[15:10:02] <DeadYak> currently costs me 40 a tank[15:10:07] <helf> got my timing belt in yesterday. now to put it on :)[15:10:12] <DeadYak> yay[15:10:35] <helf> diesels are 4 something.. so itll cost me almost 50 to fill the rabbit up. but still a lot better than 100 :P[15:10:40] <helf> *at[15:10:49] <DeadYak> aye[15:11:20] <helf> I jacked the PSI way up on my van to try and eek a tad more mpg out of it :P[15:11:33] <helf> 40psi front, 44psi rear. (tires max at 44)[15:13:19] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[15:14:42] <DaaT> re[15:16:21] <DaaT> Technix, got the msg[15:16:24] <DaaT> answer: I forgot[15:16:25] <DaaT> :P[15:16:26] <Technix> woot[15:16:26] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[15:16:28] <Technix> :)[15:16:55] <Technix> its because I care about ya... Don't want you to look bad, mate. :P[15:17:01] <helf> heh[15:17:03] <helf> aw[15:17:04] <helf> how cute[15:17:05] <helf> :P[15:17:08] <Technix> hehe[15:17:17] * Technix throws an AOL disc at helf[15:17:19] <DaaT> snif snif[15:17:20] <DaaT> :P[15:17:32] <DaaT> thanks for heads up[15:17:36] <helf> sweet! now i can finish my wall mural![15:17:46] <Technix> np DaaT[15:30:58] <helf> wooo! im still high bidder :D http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300216051522[15:31:18] <helf> that thing will go perfect with my NeXT. I've been wanting a black trackball, and it has a click hold button. :)[15:32:33] <Technix> lol[15:36:07] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[15:36:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[15:36:11] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[15:40:05] *** duaneb has joined #haiku[15:42:03] *** Stargater has joined #haiku[15:42:04] <Stargater> hi[15:42:14] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[15:42:28] *** nanoid has joined #haiku[15:42:40] *** nanoid is now known as TheNerd[15:43:15] *** hbhth has quit IRC[15:49:07] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[15:56:30] *** TheNerd_ has joined #haiku[16:00:29] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[16:00:35] *** TheNerd_ is now known as TheNerd[16:04:28] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[16:04:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[16:09:47] *** slaad has quit IRC[16:13:55] *** pmr_ has joined #haiku[16:13:56] *** pmr_ is now known as pmr[16:14:34] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[16:16:00] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[16:18:54] *** absab1 has quit IRC[16:20:00] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25126 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/protocols/tcp/TCPEndpoint.cpp:[16:20:00] <CIA-52> Translate connect()s to INADDR_ANY to INADDR_LOOPBACK. Not sure, if that[16:20:00] <CIA-52> is required, but Linux seems to do it. It also allows us to create[16:20:00] <CIA-52> AF_INET socketpair()s -- not really needed, but probably nice for[16:20:00] <CIA-52> testing.[16:25:55] *** emitrax has quit IRC[16:31:12] *** _Lucretia_ has quit IRC[16:32:12] *** _Lucretia_ has joined #haiku[16:33:00] *** DaaT has quit IRC[16:33:43] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[16:36:42] *** Stargater has quit IRC[16:37:34] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[16:40:04] *** genkie has joined #haiku[16:41:45] *** stargater has joined #haiku[16:41:49] <stargater> re[16:44:54] *** absabs has joined #haiku[16:58:51] <duaneb> what's the status on openssl support?[16:59:00] *** Animal-X has joined #haiku[17:06:49] <umccullough> duaneb, there's an optional package for it[17:07:01] <umccullough> http://haiku-files.org/files/optional-packages/openssl-0.9.8g-gcc2-2008-03-28[17:07:14] <umccullough> bah, bad url[17:07:23] <duaneb> umccullough, but it's not in the build system already?[17:07:32] <umccullough> just add it to your optional packages[17:07:50] <umccullough> you can see it here: http://haiku-files.org/files/optional-packages/[17:07:59] <umccullough> oh, i left off .zip[17:08:00] <duaneb> umccullough, yea, but I can't use it when I'm building the system?[17:08:11] <umccullough> what do you mean?[17:08:23] <duaneb> like if I wanted openssl support in wget?[17:08:33] <duaneb> I'd have to compile wget AFTER I built the system?[17:08:46] <umccullough> i guess you'd have to recompile wget if it's not already compiled in :/[17:09:05] <umccullough> since openssl isn't in the haiku repository[17:09:06] <duaneb> :/[17:09:28] <umccullough> you can send mail to the haiku dev list asking if they can add support for openssl directly[17:09:40] <umccullough> rather than as an optional package[17:13:42] <duaneb> yea, I think it's an integral part of ANY modern system[17:15:07] <Ingenu> SSL ?[17:15:10] <Ingenu> what for ?[17:15:19] <Ingenu> the average user doesn't care about that[17:16:16] <DeadYak> Ingenu: the average user doesn't use https:// sights?[17:16:17] <DeadYak> sites*[17:16:45] <ddew|bofh> SYN[17:16:50] <DeadYak> ACK[17:16:51] <umccullough> uh... SSL is basically the only way to use a browser securely at this point[17:17:10] *** stippi has joined #haiku[17:17:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[17:17:18] <umccullough> hi stippi[17:17:18] <DeadYak> hi stippi[17:17:21] <ddew|bofh> lo[17:17:22] <stippi> hi![17:17:27] <stippi> stargater[17:17:36] * ddew|bofh glows[17:17:45] <absabs> hi stippi[17:17:48] * stippi turns of the heater.[17:17:54] <ddew|bofh> got a delivery today with some O'Reilly books :D[17:17:54] <stippi> hi absabs![17:18:07] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25127 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/kits/net/ (Jamfile tcp_connection_test.cpp):[17:18:07] <CIA-52> Small test that repeatedly connects to a server. Under Haiku after[17:18:07] <CIA-52> several iterations the connect()s start to fail -- first occasionally,[17:18:07] <CIA-52> later quite often.[17:18:47] <stippi> I feel sorry for Ingo... he has to fix all those bugs...[17:18:56] <umccullough> "has to" ?[17:19:01] <umccullough> i figured he wanted to ;)[17:19:06] <stippi> yeah[17:19:18] <stippi> he probably wouldn't mind some help[17:19:21] <ddew|bofh> judging by the amount of stuff he's fixed so far he's gotta be doing it full-time or something :)[17:19:34] <ddew|bofh> either that or he's just a brilliant coder[17:19:35] <stippi> nobody seems to be into it deep enough though to help him, except axel[17:20:15] <umccullough> it's lonely at the top ;)[17:20:22] <ddew|bofh> heh[17:20:27] <helf> :P[17:20:30] <helf> too true[17:20:31] <absabs> hehe:p[17:20:45] <Ingenu> users care about sight very much[17:20:46] <Ingenu> true[17:20:48] <Ingenu> ;p[17:20:49] <stippi> actually, he is almost doing it fulltime. thanks to Mindwork...[17:20:53] <Ingenu> just a bad at work[17:21:02] <Ingenu> don't take me too seriously[17:21:03] <ddew|bofh> mindwork being?[17:21:10] <Ingenu> bad day[17:21:11] <DeadYak> :P[17:21:12] <Ingenu> pfff[17:21:16] <Ingenu> can't even type[17:21:50] <stippi> ddew|bofh: we work on a distributed media playback system... with Haiku as the platform... so we try to cross finance it[17:22:17] <ddew|bofh> ah, nice :)[17:22:25] <ddew|bofh> glad to see corporate backing of Haiku[17:23:07] <helf> what is mindworks?[17:23:09] <Ingenu> I think I'll try to push games to OpenGL around here, to support Macs also[17:23:20] <Ingenu> also/too[17:23:31] <Ingenu> +using[17:24:01] <DeadYak> helf: [10:21:50] <stippi> ddew|bofh: we work on a distributed media playback system... with Haiku as the platform... so we try to cross finance it[17:24:55] <helf> oh, heh.[17:24:58] <helf> help if i paid attention :)[17:25:12] <DeadYak> yes, yes it would :P[17:25:15] <ddew|bofh> hehe[17:28:20] <helf> DeadYak: be on the look out for a box monday or tuesday :()[17:28:23] <helf> *:)[17:28:39] <umccullough> bomb?[17:28:41] <helf> i went broke this week, so it'll be mailed tomorrow after i get paid[17:28:53] <helf> umccullough: well, it'll be "da bomb" once he gets it open ;)[17:30:46] <duaneb> umccullough, just pushed out a request :)[17:30:53] <DeadYak> helf: yay[17:31:10] <helf> finally[17:31:11] <helf> heh[17:31:14] <helf> :P[17:31:41] *** Technix has left #haiku[17:32:05] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[17:32:19] *** cshaiku has joined #haiku[17:32:21] <umccullough> duaneb, you didn't mention the wget support for https ;)[17:32:48] <DeadYak> yeah but that'd be a trivial jamfile change at that point most likely[17:32:55] <umccullough> anyhow, got stuff to do, ttyl[17:33:03] <duaneb> umccullough, well, I'm pretty sure it's just a define[17:33:31] *** cshaiku has left #haiku[17:33:32] <stippi> stargater[17:33:35] <helf> oh, DeadYak any idea if he would want the x11 server on it? i havent isntalled it yet 'cause i just found my cd. it'll take up like 250mb, though.[17:34:16] <DeadYak> doubt it[17:35:04] <helf> ok[17:36:07] *** cshaiku has joined #haiku[17:36:14] *** cshaiku is now known as Technix[17:36:49] *** Technix has quit IRC[17:38:50] <helf> oh my lord[17:38:57] <helf> The 2009 Infinity FX is horrid[17:41:00] *** TimKack has quit IRC[17:44:09] *** genkie has quit IRC[17:47:44] *** cshaiku has joined #haiku[17:48:30] *** cshaiku is now known as Technix[17:49:02] *** Technix has quit IRC[17:58:56] *** Animal-X has quit IRC[18:07:05] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25128 /haiku/trunk/src/libs/bsd/usershell.c:[18:07:05] <CIA-52> "/bin/bash" is a valid shell, too. ftpd doesn't allow anyone to login,[18:07:05] <CIA-52> who has a shell not returned by getusershell().[18:07:44] <stpere> hi stippi[18:08:00] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25129 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/network/ftpd/ftpd.c: Check the shadow password under Haiku, when available. ftpd works again.[18:08:06] <stpere> thanks for applying my last patch even if I did it a bit wrong[18:08:41] <stippi> huh which one?[18:08:51] <stippi> the Font prefs one?[18:08:54] <stpere> yup[18:08:58] <stippi> why was it wrong?[18:08:59] <stpere> I made the diff from the subdir[18:09:02] <stippi> ah![18:09:04] <stippi> no problem[18:09:41] <stippi> are you interested in the new layout stuff?[18:10:01] <stpere> yup, I'm going to use it for my app[18:10:10] <stippi> ah! which one is that?[18:10:15] <stpere> the agenda thing[18:10:21] <stpere> the GUI is getting along[18:10:23] <stpere> nothing ready yet[18:10:29] <stippi> have you told me about it before?[18:10:32] <stpere> yup[18:10:33] <stpere> pretty sure[18:10:34] <stippi> ahm[18:10:37] <stippi> help my memory[18:10:38] <stpere> maybe not?[18:10:41] <stippi> it's really bad lately[18:10:44] <DeadYak> stippi: I'm hoping to find time to rework some of the other prefs to use it eventually[18:10:56] <stpere> it's a calendar thing, where you can register events and get reminders[18:10:57] <stippi> DeadYak: that would be great, it's why I asked stpere[18:11:00] <stpere> with recursive events[18:11:05] <stippi> ah, yes, you told me[18:11:10] <stippi> now I remember, I am sorry[18:11:23] <stpere> yes, I'm reworking the time prefs lately[18:11:34] <stpere> adding a revert button in it[18:12:03] <stippi> I was planning to make a secret compilation of every nick I know, what the name is, the connection, patches applied etc. But I find it embarrasing.[18:12:09] <stippi> I am only 31.[18:12:12] <stpere> :)[18:13:21] <stpere> I was proposing poisson_pilote to share that task with me[18:13:33] <stpere> he was kindof agreeing, but didn't got much feedback yet[18:13:35] <stippi> you mean the preflet?[18:13:45] <stippi> or the calendar app?[18:13:54] <stpere> the refactoring of preflets to use layout[18:14:09] <stippi> julun was working on the Time preflet last[18:14:18] <stpere> oh ok[18:14:29] <stpere> hope I won't duplicate his work[18:14:35] <stpere> or step on his toes[18:14:36] *** leszek has joined #haiku[18:14:51] <leszek> hi[18:14:58] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:14:58] <stippi> He is working on the Print stuff now. I guess he would be pleased if you would build upon his month display and so on[18:14:59] <stippi> hi leszek[18:15:04] <stippi> tqh: hi[18:15:09] <tqh> stippi, hi[18:15:11] <stippi> tqh: can you help me with something?[18:15:22] <Ingenu> cya[18:15:26] <tqh> I can try :)[18:15:39] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[18:15:50] <tqh> although I am playing with my new toy :)[18:15:53] <stippi> tqh: I would love to write a test app, which essentially does the same kind of use case for the app_server that Firefox is doing.[18:15:59] <stippi> which one is that?[18:16:11] <tqh> Synology Diskstation 207+[18:16:22] <stippi> never heard of that[18:16:37] <stippi> do you have an overview of how Firefox is using the Be API?[18:16:42] <tqh> a NAS that got good reviews.[18:16:45] <stippi> with regards to drawing and so on?[18:17:02] <stippi> NAS rings a bell, what was that again?[18:17:11] <tqh> Network Attached Storage[18:17:18] <stippi> nice[18:17:27] <stippi> so about Firefox...[18:17:43] <tqh> the gfx parts I'm not really good at but, windows and views I know.[18:17:46] <stippi> I could greatly appreciate a 10000 ft introduction of how Firefox rendering works.[18:18:00] <helf> heh[18:18:01] <stippi> I don't need to know how it draws into bitmaps[18:18:19] <stippi> more like what happens when there is a redraw request from app_server[18:18:44] <tqh> I can probably point you to where we draw, but not how. And I know how requests for drawing goes into the bowels of Mozilla.[18:19:05] <stippi> I can look at the Firefox code, and I already did, but I could really need such a 10000 ft view.[18:19:20] <stippi> do we want to keep discussing it? Do you have some time right now?[18:19:43] <tqh> yes, but only fyysik is good at drawing.[18:20:02] <stippi> but I am more interested in how the actual request is processed[18:20:23] <tqh> ok, that I think try to explain[18:20:33] <stippi> for example, in BeOS R5, there is a message from the app_server for each view that needs to be drawn.[18:20:36] *** Monni has left #Haiku[18:20:37] <stippi> but not so on Haiku[18:20:46] <stippi> there is only one message for all views.[18:20:50] <stippi> would that matter?[18:21:43] *** Megaf_ is now known as _Megaf[18:21:46] <tqh> could do, we do pass on requests from the views to mozilla. Let me open the code.[18:21:47] <stippi> How many BViews are there in the Mozilla GUI? Is there just one view used to have a drawing surface?[18:22:05] <stippi> if you have a link ready, I can look at it too[18:22:46] <stippi> oh, darn, I think I need to go myself, didn't watch the time[18:23:09] <tqh> we create lots of views, basically one main view (the BWindow + BView) and lots of childviews ( BViews)[18:23:12] <CIA-52> axeld * r25130 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/cache/block_cache.cpp:[18:23:12] <CIA-52> * Factored a delete_notification() that is now used in three places.[18:23:12] <CIA-52> * remove_transaction_listeners() was checking the events_pending field without[18:23:12] <CIA-52> holding the sNotificatonLock - that should have been harmless (as we're in the[18:23:12] <CIA-52> middle of deleting the transaction), but it now looks better.[18:23:17] *** mats has joined #haiku[18:23:38] <stippi> ok[18:23:46] <tqh> Anyway this is the only file interesting IFF you are not interested in the actual drawing: http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla1.8.0/source/widget/src/beos/nsWindow.cpp[18:23:53] <stippi> so they all are actually in the visible hiearchy, correct?[18:24:49] <tqh> yes it's just like an ordinary BeOS app.[18:25:36] <tqh> the only special thing is that we ask the 'GUI' thread to do the drawing for us.[18:25:58] <PulkoMandy> +++[18:26:07] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[18:26:11] <tqh> this is the function that creates views / windows http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla1.8.0/source/widget/src/beos/nsWindow.cpp#324[18:28:18] <tqh> most of it is for window creation, for a child view, this is pretty much it: http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla1.8.0/source/widget/src/beos/nsWindow.cpp#405[18:28:49] <stippi> hm[18:28:54] <stippi> thanks a lot already![18:29:39] <stippi> when exactly is the mozilla 'GUI' thread getting around to draw these requests?[18:29:42] <tqh> and our childviews are this class: http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla1.8.0/source/widget/src/beos/nsWindow.cpp#2768[18:29:46] <stippi> Is this happened asynchronously?[18:29:56] <tqh> sometimes :)[18:29:59] <stippi> ok[18:30:06] <stippi> so I have a better idea now[18:30:35] <tqh> we pass a message asking it to draw, sometimes we wait for the receiver to release us, sometimes we don't[18:31:18] *** dan has quit IRC[18:31:32] <tqh> Draw() is at least async: http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla1.8.0/source/widget/src/beos/nsWindow.cpp#2782[18:32:17] <stippi> at the app_server, the clipping region is lost again when the window tells it that the views have finished drawing[18:32:41] <stippi> but you do save the clipping region for later, don't you?[18:33:00] *** luroh has joined #haiku[18:33:00] <tqh> good question :)[18:33:24] <stippi> I saw a lot of clipping region setting and getting[18:34:08] <stippi> BTW, I think there is a lot of potential for speed improvements there, maybe I am overlooking something though.[18:34:30] <stippi> setting/getting the clipping region can be expensive[18:35:02] <stippi> in any case, there might be a problem with setting the clipping region, though I already looked in that direction[18:35:26] <tqh> I never looked at the actual drawing much[18:35:30] <stippi> but I can try to make a test app with asynchronous rendering.[18:36:23] <tqh> we try combine several request (per view) if the receiver havn't gotten them yet btw (paintregion stuff).[18:36:49] <stippi> interesting[18:36:50] <umccullough> oh, the openssl license sucks apparently :P[18:38:10] <ddew|bofh> gpl? :P[18:39:43] <umccullough> ddew|bofh, no, worse :([18:39:53] <ddew|bofh> ouch[18:40:02] *** absabs has quit IRC[18:40:03] <umccullough> well, at least it has rules about having to advertise that it's used in all materials[18:40:09] <stippi> ok, tqh, thanks for talking, I need to go[18:40:13] <stippi> see you all later![18:40:19] *** stippi has quit IRC[18:40:42] <ddew|bofh> well that clause doesn't sounds too bad[18:40:47] <ddew|bofh> *sound[18:41:36] <stpere> umccullough: hmm, can you simply put it in credits?[18:43:31] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[18:47:59] <umccullough> stpere, yeah, but all materials - including advertisements, etc.[18:48:02] <umccullough> like flyers[18:48:04] <umccullough> signs[18:48:06] <umccullough> websites[18:48:16] <umccullough> that's craptacular[18:49:31] <umccullough> well, maybe not - the actual license text doesn't read the same as websites i looked at[18:50:35] *** MauriceK has joined #haiku[18:50:56] <stpere> oh, yeah, I see[18:51:12] <umccullough> I guess this is the questionable part:[18:51:13] <umccullough> All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this[18:51:13] <umccullough> * software must display the following acknowledgment:[18:51:22] <umccullough> a bit vague[18:51:45] <umccullough> and both licenses must be met simultaneously :([18:52:37] <DeadYak> depends on what qualifies as advertising materials[18:52:41] <DeadYak> does the license define that?[18:53:10] <DeadYak> otherwise there's a lot of room for interpretation there[18:53:26] <umccullough> DeadYak, yeah[18:53:36] <umccullough> apparently anything that references the features of openssl[18:53:42] <DeadYak> ah[18:53:47] <DeadYak> that's not so bad then[18:53:50] <umccullough> so, you can't say "this product contains SSL encryption"[18:53:58] <DeadYak> without mentioning OSSL[18:54:00] <umccullough> without also mentioning the required stuff[18:54:05] <DeadYak> yeah.[18:54:22] <umccullough> i was reading about it somewhere else and they made it sound a lot worse than that[18:54:34] *** _Megaf is now known as Megaf_[18:54:46] <umccullough> but that's what I get :)[18:55:36] <umccullough> anyhow, i really need to get to work[18:55:37] <umccullough> ttyl[18:56:18] *** SprMa has quit IRC[18:56:34] *** hbhth has joined #haiku[18:56:51] *** hbhth has quit IRC[18:57:14] <ddew|bofh> holy shit on a stick, i'd forgotten how awesome o'reilly books are :O[18:58:10] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[18:58:46] *** {V}afk is now known as {V}[18:58:55] <smtms> http://code.google.com/soc/2008/haiku/about.html - is the Apache License really the preferred license for GSoC contributions?[19:01:15] <tqh> I don't think so.[19:02:27] *** duaneb has quit IRC[19:03:31] <DeadYak> um...no[19:03:31] <DeadYak> MIT[19:04:09] <DeadYak> one sec[19:07:05] <DeadYak> smtms: fixed[19:07:12] <DeadYak> thanks for the heads up[19:26:57] <stargater> re[19:27:16] <helf> hey stargater[19:27:26] <stargater> oh i whas sleeping, and stippi cals me :([19:27:51] <stargater> this week after holiday is too mutch[19:28:13] <stargater> 1h to bad (ore later) 4.45 ring ring[19:33:51] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[19:34:18] *** cps1966 has joined #haiku[19:34:38] <stargater> so reboot and qnd code a littel test app. cu later[19:34:49] *** stargater has quit IRC[19:45:44] <luroh> (boot time bug from yesterday filed: http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/2152 )[19:46:54] *** smtms has quit IRC[19:52:24] *** tqh has quit IRC[19:55:04] *** smtms has joined #haiku[19:56:04] *** hUMUNGUz has joined #haiku[19:59:03] *** Technix has joined #haiku[19:59:06] <Technix> test[19:59:19] <stpere> working[19:59:29] <Technix> yeah, I had some troubles with irssi[19:59:46] *** AndrevS has joined #haiku[19:59:55] <Technix> my box is ok, its just I was kicked in another server and it messed up my window order, and as I'm at work, didn't have time to re-order it al[20:00:03] <Technix> multi-servers in irssi 4tw[20:00:40] <Technix> now I'm back home, I can play and figure out how to get it back to how it was (I mean, it was basically like this for a good 2 months or so)[20:00:43] <Technix> so, whateve.[20:00:47] <Technix> what I miss?[20:00:57] <helf> damn[20:00:59] <helf> got out bid[20:01:02] <helf> darn snipers[20:01:22] <Technix> what are you bidding on?[20:01:27] *** helf has quit IRC[20:02:01] *** helf has joined #haiku[20:02:08] <helf> woops[20:02:14] <helf> someone say something? :)[20:02:38] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[20:02:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[20:02:41] <Technix> what are you bidding on?[20:02:44] <Technix> plop[20:02:45] <helf> was[20:02:53] <helf> a black adb trackball mouse[20:03:18] <mmu_man> hmm for NeXT ?[20:03:32] <helf> form ac, but it'd work on my NeXT[20:03:36] <helf> *For Mac[20:08:33] *** nibble has joined #haiku[20:09:01] *** leszek has quit IRC[20:10:29] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[20:10:45] <urnenfeld> Someone knows if has sense create IP sockets? not TCP nor UDP but lower layer ones.. IP[20:12:15] <DeadYak> urnenfeld: not unless you want to build an alternative to TCP or UDP[20:12:27] *** nibble has quit IRC[20:12:29] <DeadYak> no sockets API I'm aware of lets you do that anyways[20:18:25] *** nibble has joined #haiku[20:18:56] <urnenfeld> Haiku one seems not[20:19:00] <urnenfeld> which will be a problem[20:25:56] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[20:27:24] *** dr_Evil has joined #haiku[20:32:07] <DeadYak> urnenfeld: blink why do you need to be able to make ipv4 packets directly?[20:33:44] *** AndrevS has quit IRC[20:40:36] <urnenfeld> well BT has 3 main layers[20:40:45] <urnenfeld> HCI L2CAP and RFCOMM[20:41:02] <urnenfeld> at least to RFCOMM and L2CAP u are possible to create sockets to :)[20:42:22] <DeadYak> ah[20:42:34] <DeadYak> you may want to ask Axel then[20:42:46] <DeadYak> sounds like you may need to write some proto add-ons for the net stack to do that[20:42:55] <urnenfeld> Linux/BSD makes also to HCI[20:43:21] <urnenfeld> seems according to his document.. only the topmost protocol has[20:43:25] <urnenfeld> a socket interface[20:48:29] *** Euver has joined #haiku[20:50:57] *** Korli has joined #haiku[20:50:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Korli[21:04:28] *** stargater has joined #haiku[21:04:33] <stargater> re[21:05:47] <helf> tard[21:05:49] <helf> ha ha[21:05:51] <helf> ^_^[21:15:55] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_Evil[21:16:10] *** helf was kicked by dr_Evil (Oh Behave!)[21:17:15] <stargater> bbl[21:17:51] *** brlcad has joined #haiku[21:19:59] <brlcad> I have an attached disk that shows up as /dev/disk/ata/0/slave/raw, I've run mkdos and it succeed, but then running mount /dev/disk/ata/0/slave/raw /whatever results in "mount: invalid argument", any help on what might be going awry?[21:21:55] <dr_Evil> the raw device is the whole drive without partition, you probably neen a partition table[21:22:04] <dr_Evil> but I need to leave now, sorry[21:22:40] <brlcad> mountvolume -lh shows it as an Intel Partition Map[21:22:54] <ddew|bofh> i'm using drive setup for turning whole disks into bfs partitions without any issues[21:23:09] <ddew|bofh> is it a limitation of fat or something?[21:23:33] <dr_Evil> the /raw is without partition, /0 mould be a partition[21:23:37] <dr_Evil> bye[21:23:43] *** dr_Evil has quit IRC[21:23:44] *** dr_Evil has joined #haiku[21:23:56] * brlcad tries[21:24:14] <ddew|bofh> err bfs volumes[21:24:40] * JonathanThompson throws ddew|bofh into a deep frying pan full of hot oil and makes ddew|bofh fries[21:24:47] <ddew|bofh> hiya[21:25:20] <JonathanThompson> Nothing beats a homicidal greeting that appears likely to lead to cannibal's delight, eh?[21:25:24] <brlcad> hm, that's nfg .. even the bfs is listed as mounted as /dev/disk/ata/0/master/raw[21:25:41] <ddew|bofh> indeed[21:26:12] <ddew|bofh> heh, i hate procrastrination[21:26:27] <JonathanThompson> But, you eventually get around to doing it ;)[21:26:31] <ddew|bofh> i have a book i really want to read but i come up with idiotic things to do instead[21:33:24] <vbmithr> haha[21:33:32] <vbmithr> i know that too, procrastination[21:33:52] * JonathanThompson notes vbmithr clearly put off responding[21:33:53] <vbmithr> for me it's related with homework[21:34:29] *** mats has quit IRC[21:35:51] <vbmithr> sorry for intrusing your conversation[21:37:07] <stpere> vbmithr: :) see, I do it too[21:38:47] *** helf has joined #haiku[21:38:54] <helf> :([21:39:03] <stpere> what's wrong helf?[21:39:10] <helf> oh nothing :)[21:39:24] <ddew|bofh> just randomly bored?[21:39:44] <stpere> I wish I was home already[21:39:50] <helf> yeah, me too[21:39:56] <helf> i have another hour[21:40:11] *** tqh has joined #haiku[21:40:15] <stpere> 1 hour 20 minutes here :P[21:40:30] *** wildur_ has joined #Haiku[21:40:41] <helf> thats technically what i have too :P[21:41:04] <stargater> re[21:42:31] * JonathanThompson torments helf from another time zone[21:42:49] <helf> hi[21:43:16] <JonathanThompson> I need something to occupy my mind, and perhaps keep it awake, considering I know I didn't get to sleep before 5 a.m. :)[21:44:04] * JonathanThompson imagines there's no hills in Florida like he had his trainer make him go up as quickly as possible last night[21:44:41] <JonathanThompson> Assuming my trainer's altimeter is sufficiently accurate for relative altitude difference, the hill he's had me go up via steps is around 207 feet bottom-top.[21:45:52] * JonathanThompson loves check-in comments like this one: http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/25117[21:49:08] <DeadYak> JonathanThompson: I read 'torrents helf'[21:49:29] <JonathanThompson> I don't expect there'd be many seeders or leachers :P[21:49:39] <DeadYak> and what about that comment? :)[21:49:40] * JonathanThompson doesn't know how much data helf contains[21:49:51] *** nibble has quit IRC[21:50:20] <JonathanThompson> I love comments that show that while one bug appears to be fixed, that the bug that appears to be fixed shows that it was a bug that hid another pernicious bug that wasn't as visible :)[21:50:37] <JonathanThompson> Sort of an iceberg bug check-in comment ;)[21:51:10] *** stargater has quit IRC[21:51:11] <JonathanThompson> But it's great, in that it shows things that are more repeatable, understood, and therefore likely to get fixed.[21:52:37] <helf> I read it at "torrents helf" at first, too :)[21:53:59] <JonathanThompson> So tell me, torrent-helf: how does it feel to be distributed over the net through many computers? :)[21:54:15] <helf> kinky[21:54:22] *** nanoid has joined #haiku[21:54:32] *** nanoid is now known as Thenerd[21:54:36] <JonathanThompson> Well, I hope your checksum checks out, and you're practicing safe hex ;)[21:54:37] *** Thenerd is now known as TheNerd[21:54:48] <ddew|bofh> *groan*[21:57:23] * DeadYak hands ddew|bofh the trout[21:57:45] * JonathanThompson grabs a near-by salmon to counteract the trout, salmon being the local fish of choice[21:58:10] *** AndrevS has joined #haiku[21:58:43] * helf lets loose a cat[21:59:04] * ddew|bofh trout-slaps JonathanThompson , twice[21:59:09] * JonathanThompson warms up the cat-stretching device, purring in anticipation[21:59:29] * JonathanThompson salmon-slaps ddew|bofh in return, 3 times[21:59:40] <helf> I sold my trash 80[21:59:42] <helf> i cant believe it..[21:59:43] <JonathanThompson> Once, twice, three times a slapper... and still wallowing in mud...[21:59:46] <helf> its in the mail alreadt[21:59:49] <helf> already[21:59:56] <JonathanThompson> And you clearly can't type as a result![22:00:25] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[22:00:57] *** Haicube has joined #Haiku[22:03:02] *** stargater has joined #haiku[22:03:07] <stargater> re[22:04:31] <plfiorini> hi[22:04:44] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25131 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/sem.cpp:[22:04:44] <CIA-52> With my recent changes release_sem_etc() accidentally lost the[22:04:44] <CIA-52> cleverness to reschedule only, if it actually unblocked another thread.[22:04:44] <CIA-52> Should have been the reason for #2152 (overall slowdown).[22:06:49] *** tqh2 has joined #haiku[22:12:05] <stpere> luroh: yay! your bug report was useful :)[22:12:50] <helf> heh[22:12:54] <helf> heto did the same thing..[22:13:14] <helf> #2152 is not a clickable link ^_^[22:13:21] <HeTo> that doesn't look like the same thing[22:13:55] <HeTo> for me it is, but it's very misleading: it joins channel #2152 here on Freenode[22:14:16] <helf> well, it does that for me[22:14:20] <helf> i meant its not a website link :)[22:14:35] <stpere> that one is for the bootime regression I think[22:14:39] <stpere> otherwise I was wrong[22:14:45] <stpere> </mrobvious>[22:15:02] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:15:55] <HeTo> since boot time to desktop was more than half an hour for me when I last tried with the Ethernet driver, and it appeared already before r25000[22:16:10] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[22:16:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Kokito[22:16:15] <stpere> hi Kokito[22:16:26] *** Korli has quit IRC[22:16:27] <Kokito> hello stpere[22:16:33] <stpere> lol, a computer just died here[22:16:36] <stpere> with a long beep[22:16:39] <stpere> like in ER[22:16:50] <stpere> beep beep beep beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep[22:16:51] *** inseculous has joined #haiku[22:16:53] <HeTo> also removing ipro100 has fixed the problem for me in three different revisions at least[22:18:20] <stargater> hi plfiorini[22:18:29] <stargater> hi Kokito[22:18:57] <Kokito> hi stargater[22:20:05] <helf> stpere: ha, thats awesome :)[22:28:40] <tqh2> going out in style :)[22:30:00] <stpere> any GSoC mentor here?[22:32:05] <tqh2> nope, I'm more of a dementor anyway :P[22:34:38] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[22:35:05] *** stargate1 has joined #haiku[22:35:10] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[22:35:48] <Begasus> evening peeps[22:36:00] <stpere> hi![22:41:54] *** Euver has quit IRC[22:43:35] *** Thom_Holwerda has joined #haiku[22:46:28] <helf> gotta go. bye[22:46:35] *** helf is now known as helf|away[22:46:44] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[22:47:11] *** stargater has quit 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terminal.[23:17:02] <CIA-52> telnetd/login and sshd are a lot happier now (and so am I :-)).[23:17:54] <stargater> good bonefish[23:19:01] *** Megaf_ is now known as _Megaf[23:19:12] <DeadYak> indeed[23:21:12] <HeTo> I just so love it when basic information cannot be clearly presented on a website[23:21:30] <HeTo> like, when does the security patch support for Kubuntu 7.04 end?[23:22:23] <DeadYak> 7.04 isn't an LTS release so ... not sure on that one[23:23:35] <HeTo> yeah, but since kubuntu 8.04 isn't either, I just thought I might skip that one as well and hope that 8.10 will be[23:24:54] *** wildur_ has quit IRC[23:26:37] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25133 /haiku/trunk/ (6 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)[23:26:37] <CIA-52> * Set reasonable terminal flag defaults. This makes telnetd fully usable[23:26:37] <CIA-52> again.[23:26:37] <CIA-52> * Publish /dev/ptmx. Opening it will open a fresh pty master. In[23:26:37] <CIA-52> principle /dev/pt/ is obsolete now, but I guess we keep it around for[23:26:37] <CIA-52> compatibility with BeOS. Though there shouldn't be many applications[23:26:38] <CIA-52> opening a pty, that we might be interested in...[23:26:54] <HeTo> I suppose it'll end in six months based on the announcement for EOL of 6.10[23:27:36] *** emitrax has left #haiku[23:29:15] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25134 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs):[23:29:15] <CIA-52> Added POSIX functions posix_openpt(), grantpt(), ptsname(), and[23:29:15] <CIA-52> unlockpt(), which provide a portable way of opening a pty.[23:29:35] <DeadYak> I swear that man's a machine.[23:29:49] <DeadYak> 8.04's an LTS release afaik[23:30:03] <DeadYak> that's one of the reasons it's a big deal[23:30:24] <DeadYak> and speaking of 8.04, this is going to take foreve[23:30:27] <DeadYak> +r[23:30:27] <DeadYak> 1197 upgraded, 196 newly installed, 73 to remove and 0 not upgraded.[23:30:27] <DeadYak> Need to get 1005MB of archives.[23:30:27] <DeadYak> After unpacking 459MB of additional disk space will be used.[23:30:39] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25135 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Added the BSDish openpty().[23:31:01] <HeTo> DeadYak: it's LTS only for Ubuntu[23:31:09] <DeadYak> oh[23:31:15] <stargater> i update too[23:31:20] <DeadYak> didn't realize there was a distinction[23:31:22] <HeTo> current kubuntu LTS is still 6.06[23:31:45] <stargater> 376 / 1547[23:31:46] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25136 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/terminal/Shell.cpp: Use the short way of opening a pty.[23:32:15] <HeTo> I haven't dwelved into the issue, but the obvious reason would be they wish to get KDE 4 mature a bit and put that in the LTS[23:32:58] <HeTo> it's going to be supported for three years anyway, so KDE 3.5 might get a bit too old in that timeframe, even for essential bug fixes and security patches[23:33:09] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25137 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalPackages:[23:33:09] <CIA-52> Added BSD compatibility headers to the image. 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