[00:01:06] <Kokito> http://www.haiku-os.org/news/2008-04-21/haiku_gets_five_students_spots_for_gsoc_2008
[00:02:33] <{V}> :)
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[00:08:08] <mmu_man> hmm we can remove FOSDEM it's done
[00:08:18] <mmu_man> SCALE too ?
[00:08:54] <duaneb> when should I use mmap? :/
[00:09:12] <mmu_man> never!
[00:09:13] <mmu_man> :D
[00:09:14] <Kokito> mmu_man, my bad
[00:09:24] <Kokito> let me link to the reports
[00:09:36] <mmu_man> Kokito I didn't notice it either earlier :)
[00:10:03] <[Katisu]> should just provide a link to the whole topic since it gets so big :P
[00:10:06] <Kokito> I did, but thought they were linking to the reports/photos
[00:10:28] <Kokito> [Katisu], how would that work?
[00:10:39] <mmu_man> duaneb unless you need to have the whole file in memory at once, and you *know* it won't be too big, and you know you won't change the size when writing...
[00:11:00] <[Katisu]> probably wouldn't :P
[00:11:01] <mmu_man> there are really few cases where mmap() really speeds things up
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[00:11:33] <duaneb> mmu_man: I'm reading in a 1.3 gb file and random places
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[00:11:45] <mmu_man> certainly a bad case :)
[00:12:00] <mmu_man> it likely won't work on 32 bit anyway
[00:12:21] <HeTo> Kokito: /topic "Haiku: http://haiku-os.org | IRC channel topic: http://haiku-os.org/current-irc-topic.html"
[00:12:23] <mmu_man> (or maybe mmap only portions of the file but then there isn't much point)
[00:12:43] <mmu_man> lol
[00:12:49] * [Katisu] is glad HeTO made the suggestion
[00:12:56] <[Katisu]> ;)
[00:14:34] <duaneb> *sigh*
[00:14:39] <duaneb> mmap makes life so *easy*, though
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[00:22:43] <duaneb> AndrevS: you doing subpixel rendering?
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[01:40:52] <duaneb> hey, people who actually know stuff
[01:40:59] <duaneb> especially about the Fat12/16 file system
[01:41:07] <duaneb> how do I know which fat to look at?
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[01:50:56] <DHowett> aroman: Congrats on Zeroconf-SOC
[01:56:39] <MichaelHenry> kinda quite around here
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[01:57:31] <duaneb> MichaelHenry: where'd that windows idiot go?
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[01:57:45] <DHowett> O_O
[01:57:56] <duaneb> DHowett: did you see him?
[01:57:57] <MichaelHenry> yall ran him off :D
[01:58:00] <duaneb> :P
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[01:58:27] <MichaelHenry> I wish I had logging enable for that.
[01:58:34] <MichaelHenry> enabled
[01:58:56] <ozy`> hey, what's the de jour standard editor on little h?
[01:59:17] <DHowett> duaneb: Nope.. I wasn't about
[01:59:44] <MichaelHenry> How often does that go on?
[01:59:54] <duaneb> http://echelog.matzon.dk/logs/browse/haiku/1208728800
[02:00:01] <duaneb> near the bottom sixth or so
[02:00:07] <aroman> DHowett: Congrats on timers support SOC! ;)
[02:00:12] <DHowett> Thanks :)
[02:00:17] <duaneb> BenoitRen v #haiku
[02:00:25] <MichaelHenry> lmao
[02:01:02] <MichaelHenry> I knew something was gonna happen when he mentioned the mallet
[02:01:46] <duaneb> starts at 20:47:35 :P
[02:01:46] <MichaelHenry> I just have never seen a 22 yr old that knows what windows 95 was like
[02:01:59] <duaneb> Geee, I still have a win95  box
[02:02:02] <duaneb> I use it daily
[02:02:06] <duaneb> I just think it
[02:02:11] <DHowett> You've never seen a 22-year-old who knows what windows 95 was like?
[02:02:13] <duaneb> +'s a stupid operating system :P
[02:02:18] <DHowett> I'm only 18 and i used windows 95 for a while..
[02:02:18] <DHowett> :P
[02:02:22] <aroman> MichaelHenry: I'm 21 and I used to use win95...
[02:02:30] <MichaelHenry> scuze me
[02:02:37] <aroman> used to use even DOS...
[02:02:38] <MichaelHenry> I'm 36.
[02:02:55] <duaneb> I'm 16
[02:02:56] <MichaelHenry> what about ProDOS?
[02:03:08] <pyCube> 36 is old enough to know better than to use win95
[02:03:09] <MichaelHenry> you're jk?
[02:03:15] <MichaelHenry> amen
[02:03:20] * pyCube is 34
[02:03:40] <aroman> I remember I used to setup DOS 6.22 then Win95 on top and somehow it allowed me to boot one or the other... dos 6.22 as I remember was better for DOS games :P
[02:03:45] <MichaelHenry> 16, 22, 18, good lord....
[02:03:54] <MichaelHenry> yep aroman
[02:04:25] <MichaelHenry> Thank god pyCube is closer to me. Don't feel that old....
[02:04:35] <pyCube> i totally remember when both my shit didnt stink AND i knew everything that was to know..
[02:04:48] <MichaelHenry> lmao
[02:05:01] * pyCube thanks god he is out of 'the retard years' that all of us go through
[02:05:31] <MichaelHenry> when a '286 was the bomb
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[02:05:43] <Kokito> please, stop talking about age :P
[02:05:52] <MichaelHenry> when 16Mhz was the king
[02:05:57] <mmu_man> hey I just noticed the B_CANCELED error code
[02:06:07] <mmu_man> never used that one before :)
[02:06:22] <pyCube> Kokito: i heard on the radio the other day that people level of happiness is a function of their age
[02:06:23] <helf> 286 was never the bomb
[02:06:23] <helf> :P
[02:06:24] <MichaelHenry> lol
[02:06:30] <pyCube> Kokito: as in, older == happier
[02:06:51] <helf> and pretty sure happiness is a function of your mindset to life.
[02:06:56] * helf is always happy :P
[02:06:58] <MichaelHenry> It was when you where used to a Tandy 1000 with 5 1/4 inch drives
[02:07:04] <Kokito> I am happy, but not to be old :)
[02:07:39] <MichaelHenry> gotta remember the B_CANCELLED error code
[02:07:42] <pyCube> Kokito: heh.. ya know what i say to age (after grimacing with 'get out of bed pain').. bah!
[02:07:55] <MichaelHenry> That would have come in handy earlier
[02:08:08] <helf> cool
[02:08:14] * helf is donating his VW Golf to a school
[02:08:16] <Kokito> pyCube, you probably are not old enough then :P
[02:08:22] <pyCube> hehe
[02:08:48] <helf> For an EV conversion thing a science teacher wants to do with his class
[02:08:54] <aroman> my dad used to make Sinclair Spectrum clones :P
[02:09:03] <aroman> THOSE were the bomb! :P
[02:09:11] <aroman> Z80 2MHz goodness :P
[02:09:15] <MichaelHenry> My dad is better than your dad
[02:09:18] <MichaelHenry> lol
[02:09:29] <MichaelHenry> Sinclairs were nice
[02:09:42] <helf> ha
[02:09:43] <aroman> MichaelHenry: doubtful :P
[02:09:45] <helf> hahaha
[02:09:46] <cherrypie> bah
[02:09:47] <helf> omg
[02:09:50] <helf> please
[02:09:50] <helf> sto
[02:09:50] <helf> no more
[02:09:52] <MichaelHenry> I was hooked on Atari ST's
[02:09:55] <cherrypie> fear the mos 6502 ;)
[02:09:56] * helf laughs really hard
[02:09:57] <pyCube> my youngest daughter started taunting her older sisters last night when she realized that they'd be 'grownups' first.. she started going aorund saying "I have more time than yooo-oouu, i have more time than yoo-oouu"
[02:10:16] <helf> horrid chiclet keyboard.. way too many functions per key
[02:10:17] <helf> bleh :P
[02:10:21] <helf> NO memory.. even for back then ;)
[02:10:38] <pyCube> 6502 is teh cpu
[02:10:45] <helf> :)
[02:10:47] <pyCube> 6502 + VIC + SID
[02:10:50] <MichaelHenry> Sweeeet
[02:10:59] <cherrypie> + Atari XL ;)
[02:11:04] <ozy`> FUCK YEAH, TECO
[02:11:15] <MichaelHenry> Still got a VIC around here somewhere
[02:11:22] <aroman> ozy`: did you ever try typing in your name in TECO and seeing what it would do? :P
[02:11:33] <cherrypie> still have my XL
[02:11:39] <MichaelHenry> Bought it last year at an auction for 5 bucks
[02:11:45] <ozy`> aroman: I did actually, and I'm still not sure quite what happened O_o
[02:11:58] <MichaelHenry> with a HD
[02:11:59] <aroman> ozy`: awesome!
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[02:12:04] <MichaelHenry> external
[02:12:16] <helf> hey matt
[02:12:25] <mmadia> hi fleh
[02:12:30] * helf still has a ti 99/4a
[02:12:34] <MichaelHenry> Hello Matt
[02:12:48] <MichaelHenry> now helf that WAS good
[02:12:49] <mmadia> howdy
[02:13:15] <MichaelHenry> Get anywhere on kompzer
[02:13:32] <mmadia> haven't touched it.  i really don't do C/C++ coding.
[02:13:40] <MichaelHenry> ahhh
[02:14:04] <MichaelHenry> I think I figured out what I want to do with XULRunner
[02:14:10] <MichaelHenry> MozPOS
[02:14:20] <MichaelHenry> a point of sale program
[02:14:29] <MichaelHenry> that or learn Yab
[02:14:36] <pyCube> bah
[02:14:37] <mmadia> good luck,  XULRunner doesn't work yet : P
[02:14:38] <pyCube> hehe
[02:14:50] <helf> MichaelHenry: NeXT... all i can say ;D
[02:14:55] <mmadia> all it does is output it's usage string
[02:15:08] <MichaelHenry> helf: yep
[02:15:13] <MichaelHenry> that's it
[02:15:23] <MichaelHenry> dang
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[02:16:33] <MichaelHenry> helf: I really want a NeXT cube
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[02:18:37] <helf> MichaelHenry: get my private message?
[02:24:26] <MichaelHenry> i hate you
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[02:24:32] <MichaelHenry> me want
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[02:25:56] <MichaelHenry> I love the 16 MB swap :D
[02:26:17] <MichaelHenry> That is this year?
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[02:31:54] <jiuda_D`arkness> yauhm
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[02:32:15] <pyCube> pfft.. next
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[02:32:31] <stargater> re
[02:33:13] <duaneb> aroman: teco? :P
[02:33:16] <duaneb> does that still exist?
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[02:33:56] <helf> MichaelHenry: yeah, i use it almost daily.. well, usually. i havent the last two weeks. but ive set it back up.
[02:34:07] <barbagrossa> hi
[02:34:10] <helf> it has 128mb of ram, thats the default swap size.. it rarely ever enlarges :P
[02:34:27] <barbagrossa> someone can help me with BeOS Max V4b1?
[02:34:48] <mmadia> maybe,  if you tell us the problem instead of asking for permission  ; )
[02:35:25] <helf> yes, i will allow someone to help you! continue!
[02:36:40] <MichaelHenry> yah know, helf, my bDay is coming up in October. ;D
[02:36:43] <MichaelHenry> ;)
[02:36:46] <barbagrossa> I've installed BeOS Max but I don't have networkin
[02:37:03] <barbagrossa> My card is a onboard Via Rhine II
[02:37:03] <MichaelHenry> What kind of network card do you have?
[02:37:38] <helf> MichaelHenry: hehe. i have a slab style PC im in the process of setting up with openstep. be the same thing, mostly ;P
[02:37:43] <helf> just faster and not worth as much :P
[02:37:55] <barbagrossa> I've download a driver in bebits.com, but it remains the same, no network
[02:37:58] <MichaelHenry> :D
[02:37:59] <helf> im probably going to sell the pc after im done
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[02:38:20] <helf> MichaelHenry: its amazing what a 33mhz 040 with 128mb of ram and a whopping 4gb of hdd space can do :P
[02:38:22] <mmadia> barbagrossa what's the filename of that via rhine driver?
[02:38:31] <helf> im tossing around the idea of selling my NeXT.. but..
[02:38:49] <pyCube> helf: you clearly dont remember/never used an amiga
[02:38:51] <pyCube> :-p
[02:39:04] <helf> hell, those tihngs are even mroe amazing :P
[02:39:09] <helf> *more
[02:39:16] <helf> whats his name here has a sweet 4k unit
[02:39:18] <barbagrossa> the download file or the one that is installed in Beos?
[02:39:33] <mmadia> the one that's installed in beos..
[02:39:36] <pyCube> its all about 68000/7hz and 512k ram
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[02:39:41] <pyCube> 7mhz
[02:39:47] <mmadia> it's possible that you may need to remove "-" from the filename.
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[02:39:57] <helf> pyCube: yeah :) some of the tech demos were amazing
[02:40:18] <helf> pyCube: I really want an amiga 1200 to go next to my NeXT
[02:40:22] * pyCube hears 80's era Bowie and gets all weird
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[02:41:18] <barbagrossa> mmadia: I'll have to boot into it and verify
[02:41:24] <barbagrossa> please wait
[02:41:41] <stargater> hi koki_haiku
[02:42:15] <barbagrossa> mmadia: but is appears to be "via-rhine" the name
[02:42:40] <mmadia> barbagrossa change it to "viarhine" , i seem to recall the "-" causing issues.
[02:42:44] <helf> anyone here have a scsi scanner?
[02:42:46] <mmadia> but be warned, it's not the most stable driver.
[02:42:57] <koki_haiku> hey stargater
[02:43:14] <barbagrossa> so, when I change this? what do I do next?
[02:43:20] <koki_haiku> stargater, I'm in Haiku now. can you paste the URL to your gamebinary, so that I can test it? :)
[02:43:29] <barbagrossa> it will appear in Preferences -> Network?
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[02:44:02] <mmadia> uum, i'm not sure how to force a driver to reload,  so just reboot.
[02:45:07] <MichaelHenry> helf I had some but I scrapped them
[02:45:12] <barbagrossa> but, if the driver loads after boot, should the card appear in Preferences -> Network?
[02:45:13] <MichaelHenry> like four or five
[02:45:35] <helf> i hate you
[02:45:36] <helf> :P
[02:45:40] <helf> any other scsi items?
[02:45:42] <helf> drives?
[02:45:56] <MichaelHenry> Hard drives?
[02:46:04] <barbagrossa> mmadia: ?
[02:46:07] <helf> yeah
[02:46:09] <helf> scsi hdds
[02:46:29] <MichaelHenry> I have a few 73 GB
[02:46:34] <barbagrossa> I'm crazy about BeOS and Haiku, it's so cooool
[02:46:38] <mmadia> barbagrossa it should.. it's possible that the driver is bone only though.
[02:46:45] <MichaelHenry> But they are in the file server
[02:46:58] <helf> MichaelHenry: oh.. probably too new.. i'd have to partition the crap out of them and use adapters. heh
[02:47:01] <barbagrossa> mmadia: bone? I have to install the bone package?
[02:47:10] <MichaelHenry> I have a few others lying around?
[02:47:17] <mmadia> barbagrossa i'm really not sure.
[02:47:22] <barbagrossa> thanks
[02:47:23] <MichaelHenry> what kind?
[02:47:27] <mmadia> ( if the driver is for net_server or bone )
[02:47:28] <barbagrossa> mmadia: =D
[02:47:31] <helf> MichaelHenry: anything in the 2-4gb range would be perfect
[02:47:34] <helf> 50pin scsi-2
[02:47:43] <helf> i can use other types with adapters
[02:47:48] <MichaelHenry> I think I have a couple
[02:47:55] <MichaelHenry> dunno if they work
[02:48:08] <helf> want to part with them? :)
[02:48:16] <MichaelHenry> sure
[02:48:46] <helf> how much?
[02:48:57] <helf> are you here a lot? im about to have to leave
[02:48:58] <MichaelHenry> just shipping
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[02:49:10] <helf> sweet :D
[02:49:13] <MichaelHenry> somewhat lately
[02:49:26] <helf> what is your email? if you dont mind.
[02:49:28] <MichaelHenry> need an pci adapter?
[02:49:31] <helf> hey umccullough
[02:49:36] <MichaelHenry> montcomp at gmail dot com
[02:49:41] <MichaelHenry> Adaptec
[02:49:42] <helf> if you want to toss it in, that'd be cool.
[02:49:45] <helf> 2940?
[02:49:57] <MichaelHenry> lemme see it's behind me
[02:50:38] <barbagrossa> mmadia: 2. Support for the onboard VT8233 Southbridge (ID 3065) is currently in progress.
[02:50:47] <MichaelHenry> 2940u
[02:50:52] <barbagrossa> mmadia: it says this on the driver's info
[02:50:55] <barbagrossa> mmadia: =(
[02:51:18] <helf> MichaelHenry: perfect!
[02:51:28] <helf> one of the adapters that openstep supports perfectly :)
[02:51:32] <MichaelHenry> and there is a 2 gb drive attached to it
[02:51:35] <helf> i use a 2940UW
[02:51:45] <helf> sweet :)
[02:51:48] <helf> i sent you an email
[02:51:53] <helf> ill take whatever you want to toss :)
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[02:51:58] <helf> and i gotta go. everything is clsoing up around me
[02:52:04] <helf> bye guys
[02:52:05] <MichaelHenry> With a four foot scsi cable
[02:52:14] <MichaelHenry> bye
[02:52:18] <helf> night :)
[02:53:24] <koki_haiku> stargate
[02:53:28] <koki_haiku> stargater
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[02:55:14] <stargater> re
[02:55:35] <koki_haiku> stargater ping
[02:55:56] <stargater> koki_haiku:  oh i have delete for a houer
[02:56:04] <koki_haiku> stargater, can you post the URL to your game binary? I am in Haiku now, and would like to test it
[02:56:15] <miqlas> Night!
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[02:56:32] <stargater> koki_haiku:  i have delete the binary :( sorry
[02:57:01] <koki_haiku> oh, ok. well, next time you make one then :)
[02:57:07] <stargater> koki_haiku:  give me 10 min ok ?
[02:57:34] <koki_haiku> sure, no rush stargater :)
[02:57:40] <stargater> i reboot in haiku and make from the new version
[02:57:43] <stargater> ok
[03:05:34] <stargater> now rebooting koki_haiku
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[03:10:11] <Stargater> re koki_haiku
[03:10:16] <Stargater> koki_haiku http://tm.kaldience.com/dir/members/stargater/CPP/Pairs_binary_for_koki.zip
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[03:12:34] <koki_haiku> Stargater, are you sure you included the binary?
[03:12:39] <koki_haiku> I don't see it :)
[03:13:21] <Stargater> yes
[03:13:30] <Stargater> its one file = Pairs
[03:13:41] <Stargater> unzip ist
[03:13:49] <Stargater> ist = it
[03:14:40] <koki_haiku> ok, sorry. expanded wrong zip :)
[03:15:53] <Stargater> :-)
[03:16:05] <koki_haiku> Stargates, it's really cool! :)
[03:17:27] <absabs> hi everyone
[03:17:37] <Stargater> hi absabs
[03:17:46] <Stargater> koki_haiku thanks
[03:18:10] <absabs> I'm rejected by haiku soc
[03:18:11] <absabs> sigh
[03:18:39] <Stargater> rejected ?
[03:18:50] <absabs> yep
[03:19:08] <Stargater> is this good ?
[03:19:18] <Stargater> i dont now what is rejected , sorry
[03:19:29] <Stargater> re go out ?
[03:19:36] <absabs> I mean Google summer of code
[03:19:38] <koki_haiku> Stargater, rejected = not accepted
[03:19:45] <koki_haiku> hi absabs
[03:19:49] <Stargater> ah oh hmm shit
[03:19:58] <absabs> hi kokito
[03:20:04] <Stargater> absabs why ?
[03:20:13] <absabs> dunno
[03:20:33] <Stargater> :( next year absabs
[03:20:51] <absabs> perhaps other applications priority is high than my
[03:21:17] <koki_haiku> and we did not get as many slots this year. many more mentor organizations this year, so it was very competitive
[03:21:33] <koki_haiku> absabs, don't get too disapointed :)
[03:22:14] <absabs> hahaa
[03:23:38] <absabs> no disapointness:)
[03:24:24] <koki_haiku> absabs, there is some talk about doing a Haiku sponsored summer of code.
[03:24:45] <absabs> I was just wonderring what about ohci support
[03:24:54] <absabs> I mean ohci usb
[03:25:11] <absabs> That project is not also accepted
[03:25:35] <absabs> Does someone want to take it
[03:25:53] <koki_haiku> not necessarily
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[03:27:07] <absabs> not necessarily?
[03:27:56] <koki_haiku> absabs, are you interested in ohci usb?
[03:28:29] <absabs> yep
[03:29:25] <koki_haiku> I think you can still work on it, but maybe you need to ask emitrax first. :)
[03:29:36] <absabs> :)
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[03:29:50] <helf_> back
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[03:35:16] <Stargater> absabs ask in the developer- mailing list
[03:35:38] <absabs> thanks
[03:35:47] <Stargater> absabs http://www.haiku-os.org/community/ml
[03:36:11] <Stargater>  Subscribe
[03:36:20] <absabs> I'm already subscribe it:P
[03:36:28] <Stargater> cool
[03:36:39] <absabs> subscribed it last year
[03:36:58] <Stargater> ah
[03:37:43] <Stargater> absabs you do Firewire  last year ?
[03:37:49] <absabs> yep
[03:38:07] <Stargater> cool this whas nice and good job
[03:38:40] <absabs> part of the project is not completed
[03:38:51] <absabs> I mean SBP support
[03:38:56] <koki_haiku> finish it absabs:)
[03:39:05] <Stargater> koki_haiku but can haiku inc not sponsort a studend ?
[03:39:35] <koki_haiku> Stargater, there is some talk, but nothing firm or decided yet
[03:39:56] <Stargater> ok , it whas a option i think
[03:41:19] <Stargater> a other is a paypal maratom om the community , = we start a soc bounty maration from ...
[03:41:38] <helf_> what a fircken rip
[03:41:45] <helf_> i never got a text with a speed racer trivia question
[03:41:47] <helf_> bastards
[03:41:53] * helf_ wanted that corvette
[03:42:14] <Stargater> helf_ your not lucky ?
[03:42:24] <helf_> I never win anything
[03:42:25] <helf_> :P
[03:42:43] <Stargater> wining is not the live
[03:42:55] <Stargater> read the bibel
[03:43:02] <helf_> but it is nice ;)
[03:43:06] <Stargater> beos bibel :-)
[03:43:17] <koki_haiku> Stargater, as I said, there is some talk about sponsoring one or more students. we'll see what happens. :)
[03:43:32] <Stargater> nice is when you wake up and i think, this is a good day
[03:43:45] <Stargater> koki_haiku nice
[03:43:48] <helf_> :)
[03:43:53] <helf_> waking up is nice ;P
[03:44:25] <absabs> koki, what about the rtl8139 now
[03:44:26] <Stargater> helf_ you me red pill ore blue pill
[03:44:43] <absabs> I didn't find the problem
[03:44:48] <absabs> I have no rtl8139
[03:44:52] <koki_haiku> absabs, still same problem :)
[03:44:59] <helf_> blue pill
[03:45:04] <Stargater> :-)
[03:45:05] <koki_haiku> absabs, do you want me to send you one?
[03:45:30] <absabs> ah, I can buy it
[03:45:38] <absabs> thanks
[03:46:39] <koki_haiku> Stargater, how many clicks is your best record with Pairs?
[03:47:18] <Stargater> oh not sure , i think 32
[03:47:27] <Stargater> and yours ?
[03:47:30] <koki_haiku> 31
[03:48:43] <Stargater> hehe koki_haiku mom
[03:50:55] <Stargater> koki_haiku http://tm.kaldience.com/dir/members/stargater/bilder/pairs_shots/pairs_points.png
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[04:01:12] <Stargater> http://code.google.com/soc/2008/enlightenment/about.html
[04:01:34] <Stargater> the first gsoc for this projekt i think
[04:03:21] <Stargater> koki_haiku hehe we have more then googel  = http://code.google.com/soc/2008/google/about.html
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[04:11:38] <MichaelHenry> hello helf
[04:12:48] <MichaelHenry> Playing Quake2 didn't notice you were back
[04:13:08] <MichaelHenry> You need anymore stuff?
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[04:19:35] <Stargater> n8
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[04:32:13] <umccullough_w> AH! :)
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[04:32:53] <umccullough_w> finally got our new internet connection up
[04:35:00] <zlominus> Are there any rankings for gsoc? I mean which projects were cut-off and by how many places?
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[04:45:27] <koki_haiku> zlominus, I suspect that only the mentors would know
[04:46:06] <zlominus> ok, just been curious
[04:46:09] <zlominus> nvm
[04:46:16] <koki_haiku> nvm?
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[04:47:05] <ari-linux> hi y'all
[04:47:17] <zlominus> nvm as in "never mind" :)
[04:47:51] <koki_haiku> ah! dugh :)
[04:48:39] <absabs> magic
[04:48:46] <absabs> :)
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[04:56:32] <ari-linux> cool i see the 5 gsoc applicants
[04:56:39] <The_Ringmaster> hello
[04:56:52] <MichaelHenry> hello
[04:57:11] <koki_haiku> are they here?
[04:57:20] <ari-linux> no..on the website
[04:57:31] <ari-linux> I've been out a few days so gotta keep up with the news
[04:57:42] <MichaelHenry> a couple were here earlier....
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[04:58:33] <ari-linux> dhowett is one i've seen on irc
[04:58:46] <ari-linux> so that's the hpet thing
[04:58:58] <zlominus> Whoever is working on CIFS Client implementation should probably look into this: http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/tarballs/other/smb-348.1.tar.gz ... Code is very clean and license is appropriate
[04:59:57] <ari-linux> paging support...that's something everyone needs...
[05:01:22] <ari-linux> wiki says XP doesn't support hpet
[05:01:46] <umccullough_w> zlominus, smb != cifs
[05:01:53] <umccullough_w> IIRC
[05:02:25] <zlominus> umccullough: I'm not dumb :)
[05:02:29] <umccullough_w> ok :)
[05:02:30] <zlominus> just read the readme
[05:02:36] <zlominus> http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/tarballs/other/smb-348.1.tar.gz
[05:02:40] <umccullough_w> cuz there was already a samba port for beos mostly working
[05:03:00] <umccullough_w> i'll check it from home later
[05:03:05] <zlominus> it's freebsd implementation mostly
[05:03:18] <zlominus> umccullough: ok
[05:03:49] <ari-linux> beos bible has some interesting history. did you know that Be Inc originally didn't even want to make an OS? they wanted to buy an OS to use for their bebox
[05:04:24] <ari-linux> that didn't work out so they cracked out the books and built their own OS
[05:04:29] <umccullough_w> heh
[05:04:41] <umccullough_w> damn, this internet connection is quite a bit nicer than what we had before :P
[05:04:54] <umccullough_w> good thing too...
[05:05:08] <The_Ringmaster> how fast, you know on average/
[05:05:10] <The_Ringmaster> ?
[05:05:34] <umccullough_w> it appears to be 3mbit up/down
[05:05:36] <umccullough_w> sync
[05:05:41] <ari-linux> we're considering switching from cable modem to verizon fiber optic once it's available
[05:05:50] <umccullough_w> i believe it's a fractional DS3 that we're on now
[05:06:25] <umccullough_w> we can request up to 10mbit if we need it - but we're on the shared 3mbit (shared with other businesses in this building)
[05:06:41] <umccullough_w> we still have our own public IP and firewall, so it's not a bad setup
[05:07:14] <umccullough_w> I think before it was a shared 1.5mbit with the IP phone system on the same pipe so latency was horrible and bandwidth pretty much non-existant
[05:08:29] <umccullough_w> they're gonna hate it when we bring out FTP server in finally ;)
[05:08:34] <umccullough_w> our
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[05:18:55] <ozy`> so seriously, what text editor is "standard" on haiku?
[05:19:11] <koki_haiku> ozy`, for coding, it's Pe
[05:19:12] <absabs> vim
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[05:19:16] <absabs> :p
[05:19:37] <ozy`> Be/Haiku-native, specifically ;)
[05:19:49] <umccullough_w> StyledEdit
[05:20:03] <umccullough_w> but for development, I recommend Pe
[05:20:11] <umccullough_w> unless you like vim ;)
[05:20:41] <umccullough_w> Pe can be installed as an "OptionalPackage" when building an image
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[05:21:11] <aroman> evening everyone
[05:21:18] <umccullough_w> hi aroman
[05:21:47] <umccullough_w> congrats on getting a GSoC slot :)
[05:22:11] <ari-linux> yup
[05:22:15] <koki_haiku> ah, one of the lucky ones :)
[05:22:19] <aroman> umccullough_w: thanks :)
[05:22:36] <umccullough_w> aroman, you get that gx270 working yet? ;)
[05:22:55] <aroman> umccullough_w: nah man... I'm waiting to go back to canada where I have a good monitor...
[05:23:10] <umccullough_w> oh, i thought you said you were home the other night
[05:23:18] <umccullough_w> maybe you didn't mean "home" where the monitor is ;)
[05:23:25] <aroman> :P
[05:23:34] <aroman> I probably meant home where I live right now
[05:23:39] <umccullough_w> prolly
[05:23:54] <aroman> home home is 9 days away :)
[05:23:55] <aroman> brb
[05:24:28] <umccullough_w> well, since the i865 is crashing on my gx270 now...i'm not sure how well it'll work for you :(
[05:24:35] <umccullough_w> i better file a trac ticket on that
[05:24:54] <absabs> wow, congrats aroman
[05:25:16] <koki_haiku> where are you now aroman?
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[05:46:44] <aroman> back
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[05:46:50] <aroman> koki_haiku: I'm on a work term in san diego
[05:47:22] <aroman> umccullough_w: yeah... if I could get the stupid monitor to work I would most likely experience the same crash as you...
[05:47:27] <aroman> that's why I'm waiting for now :P
[05:47:50] <koki_haiku> aroman, nice. San Diego is a nice place to be :)
[05:48:05] <koki_haiku> or do you miss the cold? :)
[05:48:10] <aroman> koki_haiku: yeah... too bad the weather's looking real nice from now on (since I leave now)
[05:48:13] <aroman> well
[05:48:17] <aroman> I do miss snowboarding... I didn'
[05:48:26] <aroman> I didn't get a chance to do it this year
[05:48:29] <aroman> since I was here from January
[05:48:38] <aroman> and I had school until the end of December :(
[05:48:49] <koki_haiku> where from in Canada?
[05:49:08] <umccullough_w> well, i'm heading home
[05:49:09] <aroman> Kitchener, Ontario... about 100 km from Toronto, going SW on the 401
[05:49:09] <umccullough_w> ttyl
[05:49:13] <aroman> later umccullough_w
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[05:49:17] <koki_haiku> cool
[05:49:26] <koki_haiku> anyway, dinner time here. cu later :)
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[05:49:39] <aroman> aight... I better go too :P since everyone's leaving
[05:49:51] * aroman comes up with a good reason to bbl :P
[06:04:17] <aroman> anyone know a good serial port terminal program for Mac OS X?
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[06:38:02] <JonathanThompson> Well, I know a certain young lady at church that's going to have her name honored in some Microsoft revision control system tomorrow: geek love at its finest! :D
[06:38:42] <ari-linux> microsoft geeks
[06:38:47] <ari-linux> that sounds wrong
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[06:38:58] <JonathanThompson> Are you sure it doesn't just sound redundant? :)
[06:39:11] <ari-linux> it's an oxymoron
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[06:40:39] <ari-linux> I'm trying to move away from windows
[06:40:46] <ari-linux> and I'm not a geek
[06:41:00] <JonathanThompson> They're very bad to be too close to when there's a tornado ;)
[06:41:16] <ari-linux> there's no place like /home
[06:41:37] <CIA-52> leavengood * r25093 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/nfs/ (nfs_add_on.c nfs_add_on.h): Committing patch from Alex Roman, with a few small changes. This updates the NFS file system to the latest file system interface. Untested.
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[06:45:18] * pyCube hoots and hollers
[06:45:41] * JonathanThompson hollers and hoots
[06:45:49] <JonathanThompson> There, we're a matched yin/yang set!
[06:45:54] <pyCube> hehe
[06:46:23] <pyCube> i am playing pyqt4.4 ..much neatoness
[06:46:58] <ari-linux> give a hoot! don't pollute!
[06:47:17] <JonathanThompson> Bryan Varner has been experiencing the joys of earthquakes lately, 23 counted since Friday :D
[06:47:36] <JonathanThompson> If I didn't know better, I'd think we traded local natural climate conditions lately.
[06:48:04] <JonathanThompson> It's been cold and snowy and hailing and stuff around here, while it was 75 F back in Michigan.
[06:48:25] <JonathanThompson> Saturday I think it was, Everett had 5 inches of snow on the ground, pyCube.
[06:48:26] <pyCube> heh
[06:48:52] <JonathanThompson> I find it all entertaining, of course :)
[06:49:14] <JonathanThompson> I find myself wondering when the first notable earthquake that I'll experience here will be.
[06:49:19] <JonathanThompson> I know it's only a matter of when.
[06:49:33] <geist> oh about..... now
[06:49:38] <geist> or.... now
[06:49:40] <JonathanThompson> There have been several that made the news since I moved here, but I didn't notice any that moved me.
[06:49:48] * JonathanThompson notes geist is an optimist
[06:50:25] <JonathanThompson> On the other hand, I've seen more rainbows since moving to this state than the rest of my life before I moved here.
[06:50:30] <JonathanThompson> So, interesting differences.
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[06:52:18] <pyCube> i like the fact that its not already too f'ing hot
[06:52:39] <pyCube> arizona was rough..
[06:52:54] <pyCube> kinda nice the first year.. having moved out of the mountains and snow
[06:53:11] <pyCube> but then it just got dumb
[06:54:03] <aroman> anyone familiar with dtrace
[06:54:04] <aroman> ?
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[06:58:51] * JonathanThompson thinks ari-linux is too uptight for his own best mental health and is denying his geekness
[06:59:59] <ari-linux> but how can i be a geek if i don't know the intricacies of linux file system or counting to ten in hexadecimel?
[07:00:21] <JonathanThompson> Counting to 10 (decimal) in hexadecimal isn't much different.
[07:00:35] <JonathanThompson> 0-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-A
[07:00:48] <ari-linux> yeah I didn't even know that so how can you think i'm a geek
[07:02:06] <umccullough> um, counting to 10 in hex is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, A, B, C, D, E, F, 10
[07:02:28] <JonathanThompson> You're a young, somewhat inexperienced geek ;)
[07:02:38] <umccullough> oh, i see you counted to 10 in decimal and converted it to hex, my bad :)
[07:02:45] <JonathanThompson> :)
[07:02:59] <ari-linux> revenge of the geeks
[07:03:29] <umccullough> i always envied a guy I worked with years ago - he could convert huge hex numbers into decimal in his head in seconds
[07:03:45] <umccullough> probably helped that he had a degree in math from MIT
[07:05:24] <geist> MEEP
[07:05:55] <JonathanThompson> Nah, I don't have an MIT math degree and I've been doing that since I was a kid ;)
[07:06:12] * JonathanThompson realizes he's putting a big "GEEK!" label on himself this way
[07:06:29] <geist> i am composed primarily of a sequence of 1s and 0s
[07:06:32] <JonathanThompson> Oh well, hey, I'm paid to be one, so that's not so bad.
[07:06:56] * umccullough wonders if JonathanThompson was born with 16 fingers
[07:06:57] * JonathanThompson suspects ari-linux is currently an unpaid geek
[07:07:08] <JonathanThompson> That's 0x10 to you!
[07:07:22] <umccullough> heh
[07:08:14] <pyCube> i usd to be pretty good at 00 - FF.. hehe
[07:08:20] <pyCube> used
[07:08:23] <ari-linux> JT suspects that I am a geek. I am so honored.
[07:08:32] <JonathanThompson> Was it getting beyond 8 bits that did you in, pyCube?
[07:08:33] <umccullough> as mentioned by a guy I work with - how likely is it that we'll find intelligent life in the universe someday that has 4 fingers on each hand?
[07:08:40] <umccullough> and they count in octal
[07:08:47] <ari-linux> very likely in saudi arabia
[07:09:00] <JonathanThompson> Who knows? Maybe everywhere else they have 6 fingers per hand, and their cartoon figures have 5 ;)
[07:09:19] <pyCube> JonathanThompson: indirectly.. 16bit -> amiga -> music tracker software -> diversion from programming (code anyways)
[07:09:26] <umccullough> two opposable thumbs per hand would be awesome
[07:09:28] * JonathanThompson just noticed the green Yahoo! logo on the home page
[07:09:45] <JonathanThompson> Opposing opposable thumbs ftw!
[07:09:50] <umccullough> yeah
[07:10:10] <umccullough> and a small middle finger :D
[07:10:35] <ari-linux> imagine life with TWO middle fingers that way you can be in NYC traffic and use the other one to double the emphasis
[07:10:54] <JonathanThompson> The whole middle finger thing is a silly arbitrary thing constructed by someone that wanted to be offended.
[07:11:03] <pyCube> http://www.elyrics.net/read/n/negativland-lyrics/four-fingers-lyrics.html
[07:11:19] * JonathanThompson worked with a guy with 4 fingers on one hand
[07:11:30] <umccullough> i worked with a guy that had 3
[07:11:35] <JonathanThompson> I can't recall if he ever slapped someone 4...
[07:11:38] <umccullough> on each hand
[07:11:54] <umccullough> he could actually type reasonably well
[07:11:57] <ari-linux> middle finger is not arbitrary
[07:12:12] <JonathanThompson> The assigned meaning is completely arbitrary, ari-linux.
[07:12:25] <ari-linux> think about it
[07:12:30] <pyCube> i rarely use my pinkies
[07:12:33] <pyCube> when typing
[07:12:34] * JonathanThompson bets no other animal means "F U!" with their middle digit
[07:12:37] <geist> thumb works fine too
[07:12:54] <geist> and that arbitrarily doesn't have the meaning attached to it, in some countries at least
[07:12:57] <geist> thus it's arbitrary
[07:13:08] <ari-linux> yeah because they will actually urinate on you instead with their 'other' finger
[07:13:10] <JonathanThompson> Thanks for proving my point, geist.
[07:13:20] * JonathanThompson notes ari-linux is a silly geek
[07:13:55] <ari-linux> thumb is smaller
[07:13:59] <geist> i go beat up old ladies now
[07:14:52] <JonathanThompson> Ok, geist, enjoy yourself!
[07:15:04] <JonathanThompson> I'm sure the old ladies will enjoy a younger guy hitting on them...
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[07:47:07] <ari-linux> senryu boot screen http://www.haikuware.com/images/stories/news/04-08/senryu-de1.jpg
[07:52:49] <umccullough> yep
[08:09:25] <JonathanThompson> You know that joke/question about synchronized swimmers?
[08:10:04] * JonathanThompson kicks ari-linux and umccullough
[08:10:12] <ari-linux> ya
[08:10:26] <JonathanThompson> What's the question, then? :)
[08:10:29] <ari-linux> martin short was the best
[08:10:36] <Technix> http://www.haiku-os.org/news/2008-04-21/haiku_gets_five_students_spots_for_gsoc_2008
[08:11:09] <JonathanThompson> Well,  (Oh, Hi, Technix, how's it feel to have been neutered?) a news story seems to show truth is stranger than fiction...
[08:11:22] <Technix> hi jt
[08:11:24] <ari-linux> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4122944961711350389
[08:11:29] <JonathanThompson> 3 girls in Washington state were practicing their synchronized swimming routine...
[08:11:30] <Technix> I feel like you now. :P
[08:11:40] <JonathanThompson> All 3 passed out at the same time in the water!
[08:12:35] <JonathanThompson> http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_042108WAB_swimming_accident_KC.88c8dafa.html
[08:15:30] * JonathanThompson hands Technix a URL where he can get tight-fitting undies to make him more comfy
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[08:26:31] <ari-linux> hi
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[08:33:02] <Begasus> morning peeps
[08:33:13] <JonathanThompson> http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_042108WAB_swimming_accident_KC.88c8dafa.html
[08:33:28] <JonathanThompson> Stop joking about synchronized swimmers, Begasus ;)
[08:33:44] <Begasus> 0-°
[08:38:16] <Begasus> mann ... the update deamon in linux(xubuntu) really s*cks ...
[08:38:42] <Begasus> freezes the system almost after boot
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[09:13:36] <Technix> you know you can turn that off, Begasus, and just run the update whenever you want
[09:14:07] <Begasus> yeah ... just have to figure it out when I get the time Technix ;)
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[09:46:40] <Technix> hi guys, how goes?
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[09:48:37] <Kokito> hey Technix. working late?
[09:51:31] <Begasus> he's  still in EU timezone shape ;)
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[10:04:28] <Kokito> I'm in US pacific time zone, so should go to sleep now
[10:04:37] <Kokito> good night folks
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[10:11:41] <Ingenu> hey people, I need to find the name of a process in linux/unix and kill it
[10:11:47] <Ingenu> anyone can help me with that ?
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[10:19:47] <tradewind> Ingenu: what's the matter?
[10:20:42] <Barrett666> hola
[10:21:02] <Technix> Ingenu: use ps auxfwww
[10:21:03] <Barrett666> where can i find an example of using of BColumnListView, BRow...?
[10:21:18] <tradewind> hi Barrett666
[10:21:25] <Barrett666> hi tradewind
[10:21:25] <Technix> and then if you know partially its name: ps auxfwww | grep string
[10:21:26] <Barrett666> : D
[10:22:29] <tradewind> Barrett666: I don't know... try to grep it in the source code :)
[10:22:53] <Barrett666> np
[10:22:57] <Barrett666> :)
[10:24:35] <tradewind> Ingenu: if the process you want to kill is HIGLY cpu consuming try to log as root and renice your login shell to the highest priority before doing everything else
[10:24:50] <slaad> QueryViewer in the IM Kit uses it, Barrett666.
[10:24:57] <slaad> As does Vision in a few places.
[10:25:53] <tradewind> HIGHLY*
[10:26:00] <Barrett666> ok slaad
[10:26:03] <Barrett666> lol
[10:29:33] <Technix> I think BeShare uses BColumnListView
[10:30:20] * slaad hasn't used it for many a year, so cannot remember.
[10:30:26] <slaad> Is it open source though?
[10:30:34] <Technix> the source is on bebits
[10:30:39] <slaad> I was trying to provide open source examples so Barrett666 could have a look see.
[10:30:43] <slaad> Oh, well, there you go :P
[10:32:30] <Technix> I just made and am having the most amazing steak dinner
[10:32:37] <Technix> cooked to perfection
[10:32:56] <ari-linux> and how do you make the perfect steak?
[10:33:05] <Technix> I'm a bachelor now, but man, by the time I'm married, my wife is going to love my cooking
[10:33:21] <Technix> if I told you, I would have to kill you
[10:33:24] <ari-linux> unless she's a vegetarian :)
[10:33:34] <Technix> no, she likes my meat
[10:33:39] <Technix> err
[10:33:42] <Technix> meat
[10:33:59] <Technix> you know what I mean... *blush*
[10:34:55] <Technix> anyhow, served it with spicy potatos, cream corn, and a tall drink of ice cold water
[10:35:03] <slaad> No, no, I'm afraid the concept of a woman liking your meat has totally confused me... :P
[10:35:20] * Begasus is thinking stawberries now ...
[10:35:21] <Begasus> tsss
[10:35:27] <ari-linux> heh
[10:35:46] <ari-linux> a perfect steak to me is a ribeye on the bone on a wood fire
[10:36:11] <ari-linux> with a nice thick sauce
[10:36:27] <Technix> you like your sauce thick?
[10:36:39] <ari-linux> yeah like syrup
[10:38:00] <ari-linux> i saw a recipe for chicken that called for salting it and baking powder overnight to make it crispy
[10:38:15] <ari-linux> I wonder if that would work for steak because it should be crispy too
[10:38:56] <ari-linux> you want a dry steak otherwise when you cook it will steam
[10:39:39] * ari-linux plans his next steak adventure
[10:40:12] <ari-linux> potatoes cooked in duck fat
[10:41:36] <Technix> salting and seasoning the steak well beforehand works really nice, but baking powder won't go well with steak
[10:41:47] <Technix> I have never seen a breaded steak, per se
[10:42:10] <ari-linux> not to bread...but it develops the flavor
[10:42:48] <Technix> hrm, I may try it out one day.
[10:42:54] <Technix> maybe it locks it in?
[10:42:55] <ari-linux> http://www.thepauperedchef.com/2008/02/crisp-skinned-r.html
[10:43:40] <ari-linux> do not use baking soda
[10:44:05] <Technix> well, that works for chicken because it has a skin
[10:44:32] <ari-linux> thats why i want to experiment with steak
[10:44:36] <Technix> what you're essentially doing is binding the spices to the skin, using the powder
[10:44:48] <ari-linux> the idea came from some mexican bbq pork i think
[10:44:51] <Technix> and then when its cooked, it kind of breads up
[10:45:09] <Technix> I don't know if it will have the same effect with steak
[10:45:44] <ari-linux> well definitely try the chicken
[10:46:10] <Technix> well yeah
[10:47:12] <ari-linux> i get cook's illustrated where the recipe came from
[10:47:29] <Ingenu> got caught in a meeting$
[10:49:54] <Technix> ah
[10:49:59] <Technix> wondered where you went to
[10:50:19] <Ingenu> anyway to ask ps to show all processes belonging to a given user ?
[10:52:17] <Technix> I believe so, sec
[10:52:42] <Technix> ps -u name
[10:52:55] <Technix> or their UID
[10:53:03] <Technix> but it supports names too, more convenient
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[10:53:53] <Ingenu> thanks for the ps command
[10:54:03] <Ingenu> I'll have fogotten it tomorrow though ;)
[10:54:39] <Technix> np, its very handy
[10:54:44] <Technix> so is 'top'
[10:54:54] <Ingenu> new job, joining just before game release
[10:55:02] <Technix> cool, congrats
[10:55:11] <Ingenu> yeah
[10:55:14] <Technix> they got you doing some linux stuff?
[10:55:27] <Ingenu> Age of Conan Hyborian Adventures
[10:55:29] <Ingenu> MMORPG
[10:55:36] <Ingenu> well we have servers
[10:55:45] <Ingenu> basically am setting up my own
[10:55:52] <Ingenu> for tests
[10:55:58] <Technix> what distro?
[10:58:58] <Ingenu> no clue
[10:59:00] <Ingenu> I'm on the rendering team
[10:59:07] <Ingenu> on/in
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[11:35:00] <Begasus> cya peeps
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[11:54:12] <HohenheimElric> Hi all! I'm wondering what's the status of the webkit port... is there any news?
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[12:03:23] <Technix> No news lately.
[12:03:42] <Technix> From what I understand, its slow and steady wins the race
[12:08:45] <Technix> I think this is the latest news regarding it: http://www.haiku-os.org/blog/leavengood/2007-12-18/our_first_decent_webkit_rendering
[12:08:52] <Technix> but I could be wrong
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[12:13:05] <HohenheimElric> ok, thanks...
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[12:25:33] <miqlas> Hello!
[12:26:24] <miqlas> I talked with 101 (Atilla Lendvai, the developer of the top, SyX, NewFS ...) and he told to me, he give the sources to us. With MIT license.
[12:26:35] <miqlas> Then the Haiku can use it.
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[12:42:13] <absabs> hi stippi
[12:42:22] <stippi> hi absabs
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[12:44:52] <stippi> absabs: can you post private messages?
[12:45:18] <absabs> o
[12:45:24] <absabs> forget to indentify
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[13:13:26] <miqlas> Is anybody have the SyX program?
[13:13:43] <miqlas> I have but on an BeOS cd, and i can't read in win...
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[14:19:58] <TuneTracker> stippi Hey there!
[14:20:08] <stippi> hi TuneTracker
[14:20:22] <TuneTracker> see priv
[14:20:56] <TuneTracker> stippi can you priv me your e-mail address?
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[14:24:09] <slaad> Yakkie!
[14:24:13] <DeadYak> meep
[14:24:27] * slaad wedgies
[14:24:28] <slaad> How's things, Mr?
[14:24:34] <DeadYak> ok, yourself?
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[14:25:11] <absabs> hi DeadYak
[14:25:45] <DeadYak> hiya
[14:25:51] <stpere> morning
[14:26:01] <absabs> good morning
[14:26:16] <slaad> Just coding a bit before bed.
[14:26:29] <absabs> cool:)
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[14:27:41] 
[14:27:45] 
[14:27:51] 
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[14:28:02] <DeadYak> uh
[14:28:12] * DaaT pets DeadYak, refuses to pet slaad and slaps baNTiK
[14:28:31] <slaad> You're just jealous my Mii beat you at some random game, DaaT ;)
[14:28:48] <DeadYak> have you guys been playing Mario Kart? :P
[14:28:55] <DaaT> actually, your Mii was just a spectator during a Mario Kart race I was in ;)
[14:28:58] <absabs> can't catch baNTiK's mean
[14:29:04] <slaad> Not out here yet, DeadYak.
[14:29:08] <slaad> Comes out 2 days before my holiday.
[14:29:16] <DaaT> DeadYak, they should get the game in the next 5 years or so :P
[14:29:18] <slaad> And due to job changing and what not, I'm going to be rather strapped for cash.
[14:29:19] <baNTiK> ddo you speak Russia&
[14:29:28] <DaaT> baNTiK, not me, sorry
[14:29:29] <stpere> baNTiK: I'm sorry, my charset doesn't recognize what you said :)
[14:29:33] <absabs> aha, nope:)
[14:29:43] <absabs> stpere, me too
[14:30:05] <absabs> only english and chinese charset
[14:30:16] <stpere> not that I would know what it means anyway :)
[14:30:39] <DaaT> slaad, saw a Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds show last night
[14:30:40] <DaaT> awesome
[14:30:50] <baNTiK> my name is Vera
[14:31:04] <DaaT> welcome baNTiK, aka Vera
[14:31:19] <baNTiK> heelo
[14:31:20] <miqlas> Hello Vera :)
[14:31:23] <DeadYak> slaad: I didn't think you could do spectator mode without owning the game
[14:31:37] <slaad> No idea...
[14:31:43] <slaad> But my Mii has infiltrated DaaT's Wii.
[14:31:45] <DaaT> DeadYak, i have his Mii on my console
[14:31:58] <DaaT> same as Wii Sports, it uses your stored Miis
[14:31:59] <slaad> im in ur console, watchin' ur progress!
[14:32:00] <baNTiK> lf?ht,znf
[14:32:05] 
[14:32:12] <DaaT> slaad, STOP LOOKING AT ME!
[14:32:36] 
[14:33:23] <stpere> ¸¸¸¸¸
[14:33:42] <stpere> êâaâ
[14:33:45] 
[14:34:01] <stpere> oh, btw, I'm typing geberish :)
[14:34:14] <DaaT> baNTiK, only english, sorry
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[14:34:23] <DaaT> hi Teknomancer
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[14:34:29] <Teknomancer> hey DaaT
[14:34:30] <baNTiK> hi
[14:34:42] <baNTiK> jh
[14:34:45] <baNTiK> oh
[14:36:05] <baNTiK> what do you do
[14:37:52] <baNTiK> my english is not very strong!
[14:39:02] <stpere> :) I'm doing nothing in particular right now
[14:39:11] <stpere> drinking coffee, getting ready for work
[14:39:32] <miqlas> If somebody have the SyX program (system monitor) please, tell to me.
[14:40:26] <baNTiK> what do you say&
[14:41:07] <baNTiK> oh
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[14:53:13] <ThomHolwerda> teh intarwebs are slow today
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[15:08:07] <baNTiK> hi hi hi
[15:08:15] <baNTiK> hi
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[15:25:44] <stpere> baNTiK: do you like ice hockey? :)
[15:27:42] <baNTiK> I like snowboard
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[15:31:46] <Stargater> hi
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[15:32:23] <baNTiK> hi
[15:32:31] <baNTiK> Stargater: hi
[15:33:29] * DeadYak plops mmu_man
[15:33:37] <Stargater> hi baNTiK
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[15:33:54] <mmu_man> plop
[15:34:01] <baNTiK> Stargater: haw fre you?
[15:34:32] <Stargater> ? you meant what ? baNTiK
[15:34:33] <baNTiK> Stargater: haw are you?
[15:34:43] <Stargater> fine :-) and you ?
[15:35:18] <baNTiK> i am ok.Thank you!
[15:36:00] <Stargater> :-)
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[15:36:12] <Stargater> read ma mails now ...
[15:36:20] <baNTiK> Stargater: what do you do?
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[15:40:55] <Stargater> baNTiK ? i time email reading
[15:41:06] <Stargater> i = in;
[15:41:22] <baNTiK> Stargater: i=I
[15:43:13] <Stargater> baNTiK and you? are a stundend of gsoc ?
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[15:45:08] <ddew|bofh> g'day
[15:46:22] <baNTiK> Stargater: sorry my dear friend,i am from Russia. and I do not speak english!
[15:46:40] <baNTiK> ddew|bofh: hi
[15:47:06] <Stargater> baNTiK and i from germany, my english is bad too
[15:47:40] <Stargater> baNTiK you are a developer ?
[15:48:53] <baNTiK> what it is developer?
[15:49:00] <duaneb> baNTiK, programmer
[15:49:50] <duaneb> http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82
[15:49:53] <baNTiK> I am is Russian student
[15:50:47] <baNTiK> I am beautiffyl gerl
[15:51:04] <Stargater> :-)
[15:53:09] <baNTiK> sorry,I must go....goodbay....
[15:53:14] <stpere> hi
[15:53:41] <baNTiK> that is all?
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[15:55:26] <ddew|bofh> that was pretty random
[15:55:43] <Stargater> cu later baNTiK
[15:56:43] <Teknomancer> :)
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[16:02:58] <helf> hi
[16:03:09] <HeTo> hi helf
[16:03:47] <helf> hola, heto
[16:04:00] <Stargater> cu
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[16:11:35] <helf> aha
[16:11:40] <helf> now i remember what i wanted to ask mmadia..
[16:11:42] <helf> and he isnt on again
[16:11:43] <helf> figures
[16:11:52] <leszek> hi
[16:11:54] <ddew|bofh> heh, timing issues ftw :)
[16:11:58] <ddew|bofh> hiya
[16:12:05] <helf> :P
[16:12:06] <helf> hey man
[16:13:29] <DeadYak> helf: /memoserv is your friend
[16:13:46] <helf> oooo
[16:13:49] <helf> i forgot about that one
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[16:15:24] * {V} has a /atrus alias for memoserv :)
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[16:16:52] <helf> lol
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[16:24:13] <Technix> want to see how bad it is here? --> http://216.123.238.207/local/viewer/axiscam.htm
[16:24:54] <helf> nice :d
[16:24:59] <helf> its 61f here
[16:25:00] <helf> :D
[16:25:02] <helf> and sunny
[16:25:15] <Nutela3316> I hate you helf ;-))
[16:25:35] <helf> :)
[16:25:46] <Nutela3316> dang why am I Nutela3316 stupid freenode?
[16:26:17] <Nutela3316> I think it's about 12C here clouded
[16:26:24] <Nutela3316> gray day
[16:27:35] <Nutela3316> : Technix you work at the airport? where is that?
[16:28:01] <Nutela3316> ah title duh
[16:29:14] <Technix> that's just a random cam I found online
[16:29:34] <Technix> I have photos on facebook showing from my apartment yesterday
[16:29:46] <Technix> my god, I have 3 feet of snow against my patio door
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[16:30:10] <helf> lol
[16:30:13] <helf> fun :)
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[16:31:16] <Technix> btw, its Edmonton Alberta, Nutela3316
[16:32:07] <Nutela3316> prague: http://204.138.broadband7.iol.cz:8080/view/view.shtml
[16:32:49] <helf> brb
[16:34:57] <Nutela3316> hmm what a wonderfull country I live in; http://www.opentopia.com/hiddencam.php?seewhat=random&country=Czech+Republic&showmode=standard&screen=1
[16:36:00] <AlienSoldier> Technix your not in kansandam anymore :)
[16:36:19] <AlienSoldier> *kansasdam
[16:36:34] <Technix> haha
[16:37:14] <AlienSoldier> all the winter here i was not getting light from my bedroom window
[16:39:14] <Technix> well, if you replace that red bulb and stop working from home, you might get more sunlight. :P
[16:40:29] <duaneb> hey haiku people
[16:40:43] <duaneb> how can I do per-file CCFLAGS instead of just SubDirCcFlags
[16:40:43] <Technix> hey haiku person
[16:41:18] * Technix has no idea, sorry :(
[16:41:32] <duaneb> we *really* need a jam reference/tutorial
[16:41:59] <MindChild> I HATE JAM
[16:42:04] <MindChild> Seriously
[16:42:18] <duaneb> I like it...
[16:42:32] <PulkoMandy> well, it's not worse than a makefile
[16:42:38] <duaneb> Haiku's build system seriously needs documentation
[16:42:40] <MindChild> it is such a hell to get working, Id almost rather push old ladies into traffi
[16:42:41] <MindChild> c
[16:43:58] * Nutela3316 is terrified of complex makefiles
[16:44:28] <MindChild> FREE KEVIN!
[16:44:38] * Nutela3316 wonders wether MindChild meant getting rid of the old ladies or helping them
[16:44:40] <Technix> oh my... haven't heard that in a long time
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[16:48:31] <AlienSoldier> lately it's all about that hacker called tibet
[16:50:21] <duaneb> who's kevin?
[16:50:28] <duaneb> oh, right
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[16:50:32] <ddew|bofh> kevin mitnick
[16:50:42] <ddew|bofh> an infamous security cracker
[16:51:28] <duaneb> I met the dude onc
[16:51:29] <duaneb> once*
[16:52:16] <duaneb> I also met RMS
[16:52:51] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25094 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
[16:52:51] <CIA-52> Made dump_tracing() (the "traced" command function) available in the
[16:52:51] <CIA-52> kernel and added a WrapperTraceFilter* parameter, which allows for
[16:52:51] <CIA-52> additional filtering. This way other commands can print tracing output
[16:52:51] <CIA-52> with special filtering.
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[16:57:51] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25095 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/syscalls.cpp:
[16:57:51] <CIA-52> Added "straced" debugger command which basically works like "traced",
[16:57:51] <CIA-52> but also prints post syscall entries not matching the filter, if the
[16:57:51] <CIA-52> respective pre syscall entry matched. This way one also sees the syscall
[16:57:52] <CIA-52> return values. Works only in forward direction ATM.
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[17:04:02] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25096 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
[17:04:02] <CIA-52> Added support_kit_config.h configuration header. ATM it only contains a
[17:04:02] <CIA-52> setting to force BLockers to be semaphore style. This may help with
[17:04:02] <CIA-52> debugging deadlocks.
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[17:14:53] <CIA-52> axeld * r25097 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/activitymonitor/ (ActivityView.cpp ActivityView.h): (log message trimmed)
[17:14:53] <CIA-52> * Color drops for the data source color are now only accepted on the colored
[17:14:53] <CIA-52>  box, added a new method _LegendColorFrameAt() that returns that area, and
[17:14:53] <CIA-52>  is also used when drawing it.
[17:14:53] <CIA-52> * Fixed changing the history background color; it accidently changed the color
[17:14:55] <CIA-52>  of the wrong view. This fixes bug #2115.
[17:14:56] <CIA-52> * If the history gets too dark, it will now lighten up the scale, instead of
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[17:29:25] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25098 /haiku/trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[17:29:25] <CIA-52> * cancel_timer():
[17:29:25] <CIA-52>  - If the hook of the timer we're cancelling is currently being
[17:29:25] <CIA-52>  executed, we do now wait till it is finished. This is how the BeBook
[17:29:25] <CIA-52>  specifies the function to behave.
[17:29:26] <CIA-52>  - Periodic timers would not be cancelled, if their hook was being
[17:29:28] <CIA-52>  invoked at the same time, since they weren't in the queue during
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[17:47:14] <helf> I thought this was cool. i found it while having to scan in a bunch of old photos for work
[17:47:14] <helf> http://helf.freeshell.org/scan-043.jpg
[17:47:45] <DaaT> cool
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[17:52:44] <ddew|bofh> nice pic
[18:01:10] <tqh> hmm, had to spray a few kernel files with __attribute__((fastcall)) just to see what 'appens.
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[18:05:29] <Monni> almost as fun as declaring functions "naked" ;)
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[18:07:31] <tqh> no naked functions on x86 :/
[18:07:52] <DeadYak> is that a real keyword?
[18:08:00] <Monni> blah... atleast my compiler uses them on x86... makes referencing variables really fun...
[18:08:18] <mmu_man> means no prologue/epilogue
[18:08:30] * DeadYak blinks
[18:08:46] <mmu_man> used for writing int handlers in C
[18:09:00] <tqh> now you also has 'hot' functions :)
[18:09:03] <duaneb> does haiku have optimizations turned off?
[18:09:11] <DeadYak> duaneb: some of them.
[18:09:12] <dr_Evil> puhh, I'm back from Mannheim. 590km roundtrip today
[18:09:12] <tqh> don't think so.
[18:09:24] <DeadYak> dr_Evil: business trip?
[18:09:27] <duaneb> DeadYak, but not -O0, right?
[18:09:28] <dr_Evil> yes
[18:09:28] <tqh> hope you didn't walk :)
[18:09:31] <DeadYak> duaneb: I want to say Haiku uses -O1
[18:09:50] <dr_Evil> we took a car (Mercedes Viano (family van))
[18:10:03] <DeadYak> I'm not sure right now though, and the box that has my source tree on it is currently in Haiku so I can't check
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[18:10:38] <duaneb> nope, -O2
[18:10:41] <duaneb> just found it
[18:11:46] <DeadYak> I'm wrong, -O2
[18:11:48] <DeadYak> yeah.
[18:12:28] <Monni> I prefer hand-optimizing my code in inline assembly...
[18:12:33] <tqh> crap, seems I messed up and added to some exposed functions, although all the booticons lit up really fast.
[18:12:43] <DeadYak> tqh: hah
[18:13:17] <tqh> it lits them up then nothing, probably userland apps don't work :)
[18:14:21] <duaneb> Monni++
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[18:14:36] * duaneb senses that messages slow things down
[18:16:21] <Monni> duaneb: coffee time ;)
[18:21:01] <helf> me hungries
[18:22:45] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25099 /haiku/trunk/ (12 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[18:22:45] <CIA-52> * Introduced a set of functions (thread_prepare_to_block(),
[18:22:45] <CIA-52>  thread_block(), thread_unblock(),...) that allow a thread to wait for
[18:22:45] <CIA-52>  something without needing a semaphore or condition variable. It can
[18:22:45] <CIA-52>  simply block and another thread can unblock it. Supports timeouts and
[18:22:47] <CIA-52>  interrupting. Both semaphores and condition variables use this
[18:22:50] <CIA-52>  common mechanism, now.
[18:25:24] <DeadYak> oh nice
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[18:26:00] <Stargater> re
[18:28:17] <Monni> *burp*
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[18:28:57] <tqh> ah the fine art of burping
[18:29:50] <Monni> in some cultures it is essential part of dinner ;)
[18:30:32] <tqh> ooh, but I havn't had mine yet
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[18:31:33] <Technix> *scratch*
[18:31:40] <Monni> you better make it in Dolby Surround then ;)
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[18:31:50] <beestje-alpha> hi
[18:32:16] <beestje-alpha> can i get a cli only version of haiku
[18:32:24] <DeadYak> o.0
[18:32:26] <Monni> rotflmao
[18:32:29] <helf> uh
[18:32:32] <helf> why?
[18:32:37] <beestje-alpha> for a server
[18:32:41] <helf> and im pretty sure the gui is too tightly integrated, right?
[18:32:42] <beestje-alpha> a server edtion
[18:32:48] <beestje-alpha> sure!
[18:32:53] <DeadYak> it would suck as a server.
[18:32:58] <DeadYak> and no there isn't a CLI only version.
[18:33:06] <DeadYak> nor are there any plans to do a server version anyways
[18:33:15] <beestje-alpha> how to no?
[18:33:18] <Thom_Holwerda> beestje? sounds dutch
[18:33:23] <beestje-alpha> jups
[18:34:23] <beestje-alpha> can i build a custom version of haiku
[18:34:37] <Monni> of course
[18:34:43] <tqh> Haiku is mostly planned for the desktop, you can run servers on it, but it probably won't be optimal.
[18:34:55] <helf> why would you want ti for a server anyways?
[18:35:25] <Technix> Actually, if its anything like BeOS was, Haiku will be -fine- as a server
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[18:35:50] <Thom_Holwerda> beestje-alpha: where from in NL?
[18:35:51] <Technix> you can shut off a lot of processes, daemons, apps, etc, and only run what you need
[18:36:16] <beestje-alpha> Zwolle, overijsel
[18:36:42] <Thom_Holwerda> ah, spent a few months at Windesheim for a university course
[18:36:43] <helf> BeOS was never very stable for me
[18:36:47] <helf> could have been my hardware, though
[18:36:59] <Monni> Dutch version of Poppa Joe is ewww.... ;)
[18:37:01] <DeadYak> Technix: BeOS sucked at being a server for everything that actually matters for a server
[18:37:05] <DeadYak> aka throughput/performance
[18:37:11] <Technix> compared to Linux, sure.
[18:37:13] <Teknomancer> Haiku would need multi-logins
[18:37:16] <Thom_Holwerda> poppa joe?
[18:37:19] <Technix> but for lightweight serving, its fine
[18:37:23] <DeadYak> Haiku will do likewise, since it's very much optimized for interactivity at the expense of I/O
[18:37:24] <Stargater> mmu_man your notif this ? http://www.freyheyt.com/team.html
[18:37:30] <Teknomancer> Technix: servers aren't meant to be lightweight ;)
[18:37:39] <Stargater> and see under "home"
[18:37:42] <Stargater> bad bad
[18:37:46] <Technix> Teknomancer: see this ->>
[18:37:46] <Monni> Thom_Holwerda: GIU (Google It Up) ;)
[18:37:49] <Technix> http://haikunews.org/1284
[18:38:10] <Stargater> oh itahmar why do you dance with the deavel evel bernt
[18:38:21] <Technix> DeadYak: I disagree, really. I've done some pretty fast network IO with BeOS in the day
[18:38:26] * tqh suspects mmu_man is doing some covert server edition :) j/k
[18:38:34] <mmu_man> lol
[18:38:53] <DeadYak> Technix: not with high concurrency you didn't
[18:39:01] <Technix> true enough
[18:39:10] <Technix> I guess we'll see
[18:39:17] <DeadYak> and if you're talking a dedicated server box, then you're already out of "lightweight" domain imo
[18:39:32] <Technix> who said anything about a dedicated?
[18:39:36] <Thom_Holwerda> ah another linux distro that promises beos compat
[18:39:45] <DeadYak> Technix: given that he wanted a cli-only version of Haiku?
[18:39:46] <Technix> he simply asked if he could run it as a cli machine
[18:39:47] <mmu_man> Stargater heard about it
[18:39:50] * Thom_Holwerda hears the crickets chirp
[18:39:55] <DeadYak> Technix: what else would you do with a CLI only version?
[18:39:56] <tqh> htpc's OTOH :)
[18:40:04] <Monni> Thom_Holwerda: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=m-kids+poppa+joe
[18:40:16] <Technix> I think we're talking at cross purposes here
[18:40:19] <helf> speaking of whummu : hows the 68k port coming?
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[18:40:41] <Technix> and, really, we should know what kind of expected traffic beestje-alpha had in mind
[18:41:20] <Technix> I'm just saying, it will be fine to serve lightweight traffic, in a dedicated/cli setup
[18:41:45] <Technix> it won't handle a crush of traffic (ie: slashdotted) but hell, it'll do fine for most people's needs (average joe)
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[18:42:01] <Stargater> mmu_man i hope you go not to this :-) i like it when you do cool stuff in and for haiku
[18:44:13] * Technix has lost some brain cells watching that Papa Joe video. thx! :P
[18:44:35] <duaneb> mmu_man, what uses a 68k now adays?
[18:44:48] <helf> ataris, amigas, NeXTs
[18:44:53] <helf> be a port for older machines
[18:45:32] <duaneb> ah
[18:45:33] <Monni> lyrics of Poppa Joe would get easily banned in country where my family is from... pretty much means "Dad went berzerk" ;)
[18:45:34] <duaneb> heh, NeXT
[18:45:45] <DeadYak> duaneb: amusement factor
[18:45:46] <duaneb> next is very similar to beos in so many ways
[18:46:44] <helf> it.. is?
[18:46:47] <helf> how?
[18:47:10] <DeadYak> also if nothing else, 68k makes an interesting target for performance optimizations since it's arguably much slower than anything else you'd run Haiku on
[18:47:16] <helf> heh
[18:47:19] <helf> just a tad :P
[18:47:32] <tqh> woohoo, it booted.
[18:48:57] <duaneb> helf, two startups trying to change the desktop
[18:49:09] <duaneb> though BeOS was more desktop oriented than NeXT
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[18:49:17] <duaneb> heck, look at the names!
[18:49:20] <duaneb> BeOS and NeXT
[18:50:07] <duaneb> and the BeBOX and the NeXTcube
[18:50:39] <pyCube> old and crufty :-p
[18:51:13] <helf> shaddup :P
[18:51:19] <helf> duaneb: i thought you mean OSwise
[18:51:21] <helf> :P
[18:51:50] <duaneb> ok, I guess I was comparing Be, inc and NeXT
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[18:54:31] <duaneb> What is grist?
[18:55:53] <judgen> im soo tired
[18:56:17] <Yaroze> same same
[18:56:38] <Yaroze> judgen: lets freeze the world for a week shall we?
[18:56:41] <judgen> ive been welding for 16 hours with class 6 welding sticks.
[18:56:52] <mmu_man> it's a qualifier for jam used for disambiguation
[18:57:12] <judgen> i think im either posioned or very high =P
[18:58:31] <judgen> hehe we hired a comany to com and weld for us, but when they didnt arrive in time we engineer had to do it =P
[18:58:38] <judgen> felt soo bad.
[18:58:58] <helf> welding what?
[18:59:03] <helf> ive always wanted to learn how to weld :)
[18:59:07] <duaneb> mmu_man, thanks
[18:59:23] <judgen> protection coating on a archimedes design for a paper mill i work at atm
[19:00:03] <helf> oh
[19:00:19] <helf> judgen: were you the one wanting a ibm modem m keyboard cable?
[19:00:33] <helf> *model
[19:00:45] <judgen> duaneb: Both Be and Next has many similarities. both were started by a top cief at apple, both made hw and sw, both were mutitasking and smp (afaik)
[19:00:52] <helf> someone wanted one and its been driving me crazy
[19:01:24] <judgen> helf: i think i fixed mine for now, i cut a sowing needle in half and used it as a pin.. so far soo good =)
[19:01:39] <helf> they never released a SMP enabled nextstep/openstep until like osx came out
[19:01:46] <judgen> helf: ok
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[19:01:48] <helf> judgen: ah ok. well, i have a perfect one if you need it
[19:02:01] <judgen> darn, youve got me intrigued =)
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[19:02:15] <helf> :P
[19:02:54] <helf> if you decide you want it, just let me know
[19:03:12] <judgen> helf: ive always wondered what it would take to modify a m-series to make it have a trackball or touchpad, and ofcourse a scroll wheel for volume+ and volume-
[19:03:29] <helf> that'd be interesting :)
[19:03:44] <judgen> helf: hold on to it, as the amount of available m-series parts goes down. the price goes up =)
[19:03:54] <helf> sweet :)
[19:03:58] <judgen> only keyboard that increases in value over the years =)
[19:04:01] <helf> i used to have several of the keyboard.. no idea what happened to them
[19:04:10] <helf> 'cause its the best one ever created :P
[19:04:28] <judgen> ive only had one. ive used it since 1986 or 87
[19:04:40] <helf> wow
[19:04:42] <judgen> but i have used it in every computer that has supported it
[19:04:50] <helf> I have an IBM AT keyboard i still use
[19:04:55] <helf> has the control key in the proper place :)
[19:04:58] <judgen> m-series?
[19:05:05] <helf> no
[19:05:08] <judgen> faar left? =)
[19:05:09] <duaneb> I am officially employed!
[19:05:28] <helf> http://www2s.biglobe.ne.jp/~yav/comp/pc/keyboard/ibm84.jpg
[19:05:35] <helf> where capslock is on most new keyboardcs :P
[19:05:40] <helf> duaneb: awesome!
[19:05:50] <helf> judgen: its super sloped too .tis SOOO comfortable
[19:06:10] <judgen> i would love to be in charge of ibmś scrapyard. i would hoard up m-series stuff and sell them expensively when the 1980ś boards that many geeks use starts to dy up
[19:06:22] <helf> :)
[19:06:40] <helf> they are selling for $20 bucks on ebay
[19:06:43] <helf> a lot ofr such an old part
[19:06:52] <pyCube> i dont recall ever thinking about keyboards at all, let alone going and buying one
[19:06:56] <judgen> love that the function keys are on the left
[19:07:01] <helf> yeah
[19:07:12] <judgen> kinda make me feel a bit C64-S
[19:07:13] <HeTo> helf a European return key?
[19:07:16] <helf> you'd probably like it if you had one :)
[19:07:47] <judgen> helf:  a bit small touch area on the altern and control keys, dont you think?
[19:07:52] <helf> european return key?
[19:08:04] <Stargater> i have a c64 game joystick , i can code basic on it
[19:08:05] <HeTo> spans two rows
[19:08:06] <Stargater> :-)
[19:08:07] <helf> ive never had issues hitting them
[19:08:12] <judgen> pyCube: you never bought a kayboard?
[19:08:17] <helf> HeTo: yeah, its nice and big
[19:08:25] <pyCube> judgen:  no
[19:08:47] <helf> judgen: remember, this is pycube. he only cares about software thats 100% portable. hardware has no meaning ;)
[19:09:08] <pyCube> helf:  i dont even care that much.. i just do my job
[19:09:14] <HeTo> oh, wait, it's not actually like a modern European return key
[19:09:30] <helf> pyCube: that doesn't sound that fun :/
[19:09:32] <judgen> Mine cost a hand an a leg in sweden at that time. but ive used it in 21-22 years no without faliure. so i think it was a sound purchase
[19:09:40] <Teknomancer> yeah python sucks :P
[19:09:44] <HeTo> only two keys right of L before return key
[19:09:44] <helf> heh
[19:09:45] * Teknomancer ducks
[19:09:58] <pyCube> helf: as far as computers go.. i work, then i am done
[19:10:02] <helf> ah
[19:10:10] <helf> ive gotten that way at work.. kinda depressing.
[19:10:16] <Stargater> this -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C64_Direct-to-TV
[19:10:22] <judgen> HeTo: what is an non-european return key like?
[19:10:26] <judgen> HeTo: pic?
[19:10:28] <helf> i enjoyed computers a lot more before having to do them for a lviing :P
[19:11:04] <judgen> helf: me too
[19:11:29] <helf> yesterday i worked 6 hours at the ISP i hangout at
[19:11:40] <pyCube> regardless, i am hard presses to think of a more boring piece of the computer than the keyboard..
[19:11:41] <helf> 6 hours on 4 computers that were horribly virus and spyware infested
[19:11:44] <pyCube> seriously.. who cares
[19:11:45] <judgen> helf: thats maybe why i love alt-osés so much. because its so different from the unix and windows stuff i have to work with
[19:11:46] <pyCube> hehe
[19:11:50] <pyCube> its a keyboard
[19:11:55] <helf> pyCube: yeah, but essential :P
[19:12:24] <helf> judgen: yeah :) probably why cling to my NeXT sohard. breath of fresh air after windows
[19:12:55] <judgen> btw is is just me or do mots people hat having a small backspace and enter keys and instead replace it with pgup and pg down and suck just behind them
[19:13:13] <judgen> helf: before windows =)
[19:13:21] <HeTo> judgen: enter is on one row only, like in this pic (couldn't find a pic of a real keyboard): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:OnBoardKeyboard.png
[19:13:36] <judgen> HeTo: that is awful
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[19:13:47] <judgen> HeTo: how do you type when drunk then
[19:13:52] <helf> heh
[19:13:58] <helf> i hate all the useless keys on keyboards
[19:14:09] <judgen> me too
[19:14:25] * HeTo has never used anything but a keyboard with a Finnish layout
[19:14:41] <HeTo> even if the software layout has sometimes been US, due to various reasons
[19:14:46] <judgen> finnish? i didnt think there was a finnish layout
[19:15:02] <HeTo> it's the same as Swedish
[19:15:17] <judgen> i thought finnish was the swe-latin1 layout
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[19:15:43] <judgen> but as the swedes and finns are brothers that isnt to wierd
[19:17:37] <HeTo> although that OSK isn't exactly like a US keyboard, it e.g. has the < key that is missing from real US keyboards
[19:17:38] <judgen> just as the english and americans
[19:18:25] <judgen> HeTo: i bet you all that you own that a REAL american keyboard from bak in the days if innovation had large enter keys
[19:18:33] <HeTo> hence the names 101/102-key and 104/105-key layout: most (all that I know of, anyway) European keyboard layouts have physically one key more than a US keyboard
[19:18:56] <judgen> the m-series for instance is IDENTICAL but with other group symbols than in europe
[19:19:15] <helf> i have a keyboard with arabic on it
[19:19:16] <helf> its pretty sweet
[19:19:17] <helf> heh
[19:19:30] <duaneb> I like my DAS keyboard
[19:19:31] <HeTo> judgen: does it have the <>| key?
[19:19:51] <judgen> HeTo: yes they do and so doe the european ones
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[19:20:14] <judgen> HeTo: the m-series are modular you can switch any key for another just with a pincette
[19:20:37] <judgen> I loved my VAX keyb...
[19:20:56] <HeTo> it's kind of useless as long as you're using US layout since those characters can be typed with shift+,.
[19:21:00] <judgen> i was a bit young to be doing anything awsome with the vax though
[19:21:03] <helf> i want a vax..
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[19:21:53] <Stargater> hi Kokito
[19:22:04] <Stargater> an waht is your best now
[19:22:06] <judgen> HeTo: saying thats logical is like saying that it would be logical to press an key whilst typing to be able to type it in english. otherwise it would be in german,
[19:22:24] <Stargater> Kokito notif you this? =
[19:22:31] <duaneb> I wish I could switch my Alt and Command key just in Haiku
[19:22:37] <Stargater>  http://www.freyheyt.com/team.html
[19:22:39] <judgen> localization is important
[19:22:50] <duaneb> I'm used to having 'command' be my gui modifier
[19:23:06] <judgen> duaneb: you could just change the keycode in the source and complie
[19:24:15] <duaneb> judgen, that's such a hack, too
[19:25:14] <judgen> duaneb: not really a hack.. just an edit. you could make an prefereces panel with wich you switch between alt or ctrl.
[19:25:19] <duaneb> how does haiku handle this? http://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-docs/bebook/TheKeyboard_ModifierKeys.html
[19:25:33] <duaneb> becuase it uses option as the command key
[19:25:38] <HeTo> duaneb: just as in BeOS, see preferences/Menu
[19:25:59] <judgen> i mean ive seen it in haiku bin
[19:26:20] <judgen> i have not tried haiku for a few weeks, but it was there before
[19:26:24] <duaneb> HeTo, oh, nice
[19:26:24] <duaneb> thanks
[19:27:16] <judgen> btw im so happy that i dont have to pay for my connection at home...
[19:27:17] <HeTo> maybe it's a bit illogical to have it in a preference panel called Menu, but then again, that's where BeOS had it
[19:27:29] <judgen> i bruteforced the neighbour
[19:27:36] <judgen> im on his wlan
[19:27:59] <Kokito> hi Stargater
[19:28:14] <judgen> HeTo: thus where it should say. becayse when the key is pressed the meny appears
[19:28:29] <Kokito> Stargater, what is it?
[19:28:30] <judgen> stay
[19:28:58] <judgen> anyone seen soulbender?
[19:29:19] <judgen> im off to do stuff
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[19:30:28] <duaneb> HeTo, no, it makes sense
[19:30:35] <duaneb> I mean, the shortcuts are in the menu...
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[19:32:51] <Stargater> Kokito read the page
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[19:33:31] <Stargater> ithamar dancing with the diabolo
[19:34:34] <Kokito> Stargater, see to believe. words are cheap; I will believe when I see something that works. :)
[19:34:47] <HeTo> duaneb: I don't think that the shortcuts _are_ in the menu, I just think they're _visualised_ there
[19:35:18] <Stargater> hehe , true Kokito
[19:35:20] <duaneb> HeTo, to the user...
[19:35:34] <HeTo> but of course, if you think that the shortcuts "physically" exist in the menu, maybe then it makes sense to look for the modifier key in Menu preferences
[19:36:02] <HeTo> duaneb: am I not a Haiku/BeOS user? :-)
[19:36:11] <HeTo> although ATM I'm not, that's true
[19:37:13] <duaneb> HeTo, no, the menu preflet switches between ctrl and alt
[19:37:21] <duaneb> I want it between alt and command
[19:38:04] * beestje-alpha a fresh vmware build here! http://ec2-75-101-197-76.compute-1.amazonaws.com/generated/
[19:39:11] <HeTo> duaneb: do you have a Mac keyboard, or are you talking about the Windows logo key or what?
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[19:39:38] <ThomHolwerda> i can barely admit it without crying
[19:39:40] <ThomHolwerda> but uhm
[19:39:42] <HeTo> although I suppose the only solutions to your problem are hacks, if control/alt swapping isn't what you meant
[19:39:55] <ThomHolwerda> there is ONE instance where pst files make sense.
[19:40:01] <ThomHolwerda> god now i feel dirty.
[19:40:07] * beestje-alpha a fresh vmware build here! http://ec2-75-101-197-76.compute-1.amazonaws.com/generated/
[19:40:27] <beestje-alpha> from svn
[19:41:40] <pyCube> pst files?
[19:41:56] <DeadYak> outlook mailbox files
[19:42:17] <pyCube> oh
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[19:49:49] <duaneb> HeTo, they're the same key
[19:50:01] <duaneb> windows key = super key = apple key = command key
[19:50:19] <beestje-alpha> configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables :(
[19:50:36] <duaneb> beestje-alpha, set your LDFLAGS correctly
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[20:02:21] <beestje-alpha> oke tnz
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[20:08:10] <Teknomancer> nite
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[20:21:55] <beestje-alpha> how dop install the gcc tools
[20:22:38] <Stargater> beestje-alpha on the haiku image ?
[20:22:45] <beestje-alpha> jups
[20:22:49] <Stargater> ok mom
[20:22:59] <beestje-alpha> can i build init
[20:23:09] <Stargater> look into /truck/build/jam
[20:23:19] <Stargater> UserBuildReadme
[20:23:45] <beestje-alpha> jups its a cross compiler not a compiler
[20:24:08] <Stargater> you make a file = UserBuildConfig
[20:24:18] <Stargater> in the file add this =
[20:24:48] <Stargater> AddOptionalHaikuImagePackages Development Pe
[20:25:10] <Stargater> see UserBuildConfig.sample and readme
[20:25:12] <duaneb> well, Pe isn't strictly necessary
[20:25:29] <Stargater> tip: you must update the image size = 100 to 300
[20:27:19] <duaneb> Stargater, image size isn't normally set
[20:27:26] <duaneb> but I'd set it at around ~500
[20:27:47] <beestje-alpha> best build platform debian etch 4.0
[20:27:50] <Stargater> defoult is 100
[20:27:55] <beestje-alpha> @ amazon ec2
[20:30:57] <duaneb> nah, freebsd = AWESOME
[20:31:13] <beestje-alpha> freebsd is real unix = cool!
[20:31:46] <duaneb> well, so is linux
[20:31:51] <duaneb> but freebsd is designed well
[20:32:00] <Stargater> slackware
[20:32:04] <duaneb> And now with zfs support....
[20:32:07] * duaneb drools
[20:32:07] <beestje-alpha> nice to
[20:32:13] <beestje-alpha> zfs = freebsd 7.0
[20:32:16] <Stargater> i wait for fedora9
[20:32:17] <duaneb> freebsd runs all linux binaries too :D
[20:32:19] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25100 /haiku/trunk/ (15 files in 6 dirs):
[20:32:19] <CIA-52> * Detemplatized ConditionVariable{Entry}. Merged them with their
[20:32:19] <CIA-52>  respective Private* base class.
[20:32:19] <CIA-52> * Changed sigwait() and sigsuspend() to use thread_block() instead of a
[20:32:19] <CIA-52>  condition variable.
[20:32:56] <Stargater> oh kernel coding
[20:32:58] <beestje-alpha> you can try ZFS on FreeBSD 7.0
[20:33:12] <beestje-alpha> yes cool bot
[20:33:15] <Stargater> is ZFS so good ?
[20:33:18] <beestje-alpha> svn up?
[20:33:20] <DeadYak> ZFS rocks for me.
[20:33:32] <Stargater> for desktop os too ?
[20:33:33] <beestje-alpha> leopard got it to!
[20:33:34] <duaneb> svn's been up all day
[20:33:38] <Stargater> ore server os
[20:33:46] <duaneb> leopard KINDA has it
[20:34:10] <beestje-alpha> check => www.macosxforge.org
[20:34:13] <Stargater> i like no mac os x
[20:34:18] <beestje-alpha> voor write version
[20:34:19] <Stargater> abd window
[20:34:39] <duaneb> no, really
[20:34:47] <duaneb> leopard can't boot from zfs
[20:34:56] <duaneb> but then again, neither can freebsd7
[20:35:19] <beestje-alpha> freebsd-update fetch
[20:35:29] <beestje-alpha> :D => http://www.macosforge.org/ zfs works on usb
[20:37:25] <DeadYak> nor can anything else except an experimental branch of OpenSolaris
[20:37:42] <DeadYak> booting off ZFS is quite...nontrivial
[20:39:09] <beestje-alpha> i it will be anble on mac osx leopard 1.6.x
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[20:41:33] <DeadYak> remains to be seen
[20:42:07] <Technix> sweet.. WOTR is doing a Billy Joel tribute -> http://wayoutthere.net:7000
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[20:46:36] <CIA-52> axeld * r25101 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/timer.cpp:
[20:46:36] <CIA-52> * Made waiting for a timer handler more power usage friendly.
[20:46:36] <CIA-52> * Minor cleanup.
[20:49:42] <Technix> btw, someone know Axel's current, working email address?
[20:50:00] <DeadYak> same one he's always had
[20:50:02] <Technix> pinc-software.de ?
[20:50:05] <DeadYak> yes.
[20:50:21] <Technix> hrm. He must be extremely busy then. I shot him an email a few days ago, no reply
[20:50:55] <duaneb> anyone here a mac user?
[20:51:11] <DeadYak> some of my coworkers are, what's up?
[20:51:24] <stpere> sweet
[20:51:30] <helf> I sorta am
[20:53:34] <helf> ATA33 + 1GHZ P3 = slow at bzip2'ing a 3gb dvd iso
[20:53:43] <DeadYak> umm...ow.
[20:53:58] <helf> 54minutes for 57% :)
[20:54:04] <helf> a perfect a minute...
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[20:54:17] <helf> er
[20:54:20] <helf> percent
[20:55:55] <helf> bbl
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[21:01:25] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25102 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/signal.cpp:
[21:01:25] <CIA-52> Added back accidentally removed check for B_THREAD_SUSPENDED when
[21:01:25] <CIA-52> delivering a kill signal.
[21:02:24] <Stargater> www.big brother.de
[21:04:56] <beestje-alpha> whereis UserBuildConfig
[21:05:05] <DeadYak> build/jam
[21:06:21] <stpere> wow.. 5 ppl fired on 100.. I wonder what percentage that is :)
[21:06:53] <stpere> I'm _kidding_
[21:07:20] <beestje-alpha> how to add developer tools on UserBuildConfig
[21:08:36] <duaneb> stpere, omg its five percent. americans r so dum. fucken sheep.
[21:09:45] <DeadYak> duaneb: what're you guys talking about?
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[21:11:42] <pyCube> sweet.. i got a disney beverage cup for an earthday present
[21:11:45] <pyCube> hehe
[21:12:01] <duaneb> no idea. I'm just making fun of stpere :P
[21:13:04] <CIA-52> korli * r25103 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/ColorControl.cpp: restores the text controls before using SetValue() since this one uses them
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[21:16:34] <stpere> it was a joke on entendu.ca
[21:16:47] <stpere> it's a place where ppl submit things heard on the street
[21:16:52] <stpere> and someone told that
[21:16:54] <stpere> :)
[21:18:30] <DeadYak> ah
[21:19:06] <tarandus> I'm a mac user, even at this very moment
[21:19:17] <tarandus> did someone have a mac-specific question?
[21:19:31] <beestje-alpha> OptionalPackageDependencies Development : Perl : Firefox : openSSL :  VLC ;
[21:19:36] <beestje-alpha> pcc?>
[21:21:36] <duaneb> tarandus, no, just wondering :)
[21:22:32] <Technix> Who the heck lives in Tonsberg?
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[21:24:16] <pyCube> Tonsbergers
[21:24:29] <pyCube> ...duh
[21:24:30] <tarandus> 37,493 Norwegians, as of 2007
[21:24:54] <tarandus> an 10,1 % increase since 1997
[21:25:18] <Technix> I'm seeing them as being in the top 10 for site traffic
[21:26:03] <Technix> and New Zealand, surprisingly has a lot of traffic
[21:26:08] * JonathanThompson meows in C++ into the channel
[21:26:18] <JonathanThompson> cout<<"meow"<<endl;
[21:26:43] <pyCube> ya know.. the difference between python sites, .com vs .org .. pretty vast
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[21:27:20] <pyCube> i wouldnt chekc out the .com variant if youre at work or someplace like that
[21:27:22] <pyCube> heh
[21:27:25] <tarandus> Lenin would be 138 years old today if he hadn't died 83 years ago
[21:28:01] <geist> good to know
[21:28:12] <JonathanThompson> No practical value.
[21:28:18] <JonathanThompson> But, entertaining.
[21:28:32] <JonathanThompson> Just like this story: http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_042108WAB_swimming_accident_KC.88c8dafa.html
[21:28:35] <Technix> read your priv msgs, JonathanThompson
[21:28:38] <tarandus> I assume they picked the Earth day to somehow commemorate that
[21:28:38] <JonathanThompson> I did.
[21:28:44] <Technix> :P
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[21:28:50] <JonathanThompson> I replied, but... for some reason, you don't see my reply.
[21:28:51] <stargate1> re
[21:29:01] <Technix> you did not identify to nickserv, likely
[21:29:09] <JonathanThompson> I'm pretty sure I did...
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[21:40:26] <XDS2010> LiveCD available yet ?
[21:40:34] <JonathanThompson> ROFL
[21:40:45] <pyCube> for which os?
[21:40:45] <XDS2010> native available yet ?
[21:40:45] * JonathanThompson intones, "Pre-alpha!"
[21:40:58] <XDS2010> for HAIKU
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[21:41:39] <JonathanThompson> That's a horrible waste of development resources at this point and time, XDS2010.
[21:42:08] <XDS2010> WTF man , i want to try haiku out
[21:42:23] <JonathanThompson> I understand, but unless you're a Haiku developer and/or tester, it isn't ready for you yet.
[21:42:25] <JonathanThompson> Seriously.
[21:42:26] <XDS2010> can't someone peace together a iso i can burn
[21:42:37] <JonathanThompson> And that's why there's no official LiveCD intended any time soon.
[21:42:38] <duaneb> XDS2010, no.
[21:42:42] <XDS2010> :(
[21:42:48] <JonathanThompson> Go and do it yourself, if you're so desiring it ;)
[21:42:50] <duaneb> XDS2010, do you have vmware?
[21:43:05] <XDS2010> duaneb:  is it free ?
[21:43:14] <duaneb> XDS2010, yes.
[21:43:24] <XDS2010> And how much space is required to compile ?
[21:43:25] <duaneb> http://www.vmware.com/products/player/
[21:43:29] <JonathanThompson> Keep in mind, xcasex
[21:43:32] <JonathanThompson> D'OH!
[21:43:33] <XDS2010> and whats so good about HAIKU ?
[21:43:42] <duaneb> XDS2010, do you know what Haiku is?
[21:43:43] <XDS2010> Besides being good at cpu usage
[21:43:47] <JonathanThompson> Keep in mind, XDS2010, that Haiku doesn't even have swapfile support yet.
[21:43:57] <JonathanThompson> Again, remember: pre-alpha.
[21:44:09] <XDS2010> i know pre-alpha
[21:44:30] <JonathanThompson> Then you need to realize you're expecting too much of any pre-alpha software of this complexity to expect a LiveCD.
[21:44:34] <Technix> XDS2010: koki at zeta-zone dot net
[21:44:37] <XDS2010> that doesn't stop someone from russling up a livecd or LiveDVD/FlashDD
[21:44:37] <Technix> gah
[21:44:42] <Technix> http://www.haiku-os.org/documents/dev/getting_the_source_code
[21:44:44] <Technix> I meant to paste that last
[21:44:57] <duaneb> XDS2010, livecds and such require substantial changes at the kernel level
[21:44:59] <Technix> There is not yet any LiveCD
[21:45:23] <XDS2010> someone made a live cd version for use with vmware i remember a while back
[21:45:29] <Technix> yes, but it was disbanded
[21:45:37] <XDS2010> if they can do it surely the haiku devs can do it
[21:45:47] <Technix> and it wasn't a "liveCD" per se
[21:45:51] <XDS2010> disbanded ?
[21:46:01] <XDS2010> yeah it was
[21:46:05] <JonathanThompson> More important to remember than this being pre-alpha of an OS is that this is the *first* pre-alpha release of all releases.
[21:46:09] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25104 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/thread.cpp:
[21:46:09] <CIA-52> * Made thread_block_with_timeout_lock() more user-friendly. It allows
[21:46:09] <CIA-52>  passing 0 as timeout flags or B_INFINITE_TIMEOUT as timeout, in which
[21:46:09] <CIA-52>  case no timer will be used.
[21:46:09] <CIA-52> * Implemented missing thread_block_with_timeout().
[21:46:16] <XDS2010> it ran HAIKU at boot
[21:46:19] <Technix> long story short, that particular "distro" / package, whatever it was, was killed
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[21:46:41] <JonathanThompson> As in, there are still major holes in the basic OS, and it isn't missing optional things that you'd expect as new features for a new OS release based on top of an existing, known-complete and working one.
[21:46:42] <XDS2010> killed ?
[21:47:16] <XDS2010> well then why release it SO publicly ?
[21:47:25] <XDS2010> or what not
[21:48:05] <Technix> that was an independant, third person
[21:48:20] <Technix> who had nothing to do with the Haiku Project itself.
[21:48:24] <XDS2010> ill freakin pay someone to make a mini LiveDVD version if anyone is intrested PM me
[21:48:36] <Technix> It's not that simple, I'm afraid
[21:48:47] <JonathanThompson> Technix, it seems you've got something you *could* post ;)
[21:49:07] <JonathanThompson> Better make it a sufficiently interesting bounty, then, XDS2010 ;)
[21:49:07] <Technix> As much as I would personally love to take your money, at this time, you'll just have to wait like the rest of us for the building blocks to form shape
[21:49:37] <Technix> actually, I'm writing up a GIT article in a moment
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[21:49:46] <Technix> but I digress. :P
[21:49:49] <XDS2010> kool
[21:49:53] <XDS2010> im using GIT now
[21:49:54] <Technix> XDS2010: does it make sense?
[21:50:26] <XDS2010> does anything ?
[21:50:32] <Technix> regarding "liveCD"
[21:50:32] <DeadYak> at the moment a liveced would suck, fyi.
[21:50:36] <JonathanThompson> Yes: patience.
[21:50:51] <DeadYak> Haiku doesn't have an I/O scheduler, and as a consequence it can't optimize well for the read patterns on a CD, amongst other things
[21:51:06] <DeadYak> as a result it would take a very long time to boot off such a CD at the moment
[21:51:22] <XDS2010> so what your saying , there is no kernel even ?!
[21:51:29] <JonathanThompson> No.
[21:51:30] <Technix> that is not what he said
[21:51:42] <JonathanThompson> The kernel does not include that yet, amongst other things.
[21:51:49] <helf> iok
[21:51:49] <Technix> He said, there is no Input/Output scheduler
[21:51:54] <helf> how do homeless people stay fat?
[21:51:56] <helf> wtf?
[21:52:04] <Technix> helf: bad diets?
[21:52:18] <Technix> no exercise, poor health.. etc
[21:52:19] <XDS2010> wait a second ,  there is NO native support ?
[21:52:25] <Technix> XDS2010: clarify?
[21:52:26] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps you're seeing shorter duration homeless, helf?
[21:53:50] <Kokito> XDS2010, you really don't want to try a Haiku LiveCD; I once timed it, and a full boot took about 10 minutes.
[21:54:06] <Technix> hey Kokito
[21:54:11] <Technix> read your email? :P
[21:54:12] <Kokito> hey Technix :)
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[21:54:14] <duaneb> It is *very* slow
[21:54:27] <pyCube> ok.. so why is windows so f'ing lame?
[21:54:34] <Kokito> Technix, did you send me an email?
[21:54:49] <Technix> pyCube: um.. After watching Pirates of Silicon Valley last night, do you -really- want my answer? :P
[21:54:56] <Technix> Kokito: you're Jorge?
[21:54:57] * pyCube gets angry at stupid windows paths and slashes
[21:55:07] <Kokito> Technix, yes
[21:55:21] <Kokito> but I have not received any messages from you Technix
[21:55:22] <Technix> yes then. I did send to you. (phew, thought I had wrong email/name there)
[21:55:34] <Kokito> maybe you sent it to an old address?
[21:55:34] <CIA-52> axeld * r25105 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/Shelf.cpp: Just a minor bug that caught my attention while glancing at the code.
[21:55:35] <Technix> prv me your current email then?
[21:55:45] <HeTo> pyCube: would you rather have VMS paths?
[21:56:18] <Kokito> done Technix
[21:56:34] <helf> JonathanThompson: perhaps. Most of the homeless I've seen lately are not skinny at all :P
[21:56:48] <Technix> thx
[21:56:51] <JonathanThompson> Think of all those lately having their homes foreclosed....
[21:56:56] <stpere> hi.. hi.. hi.. /me should stop drinking coffee for today :)
[21:56:56] <Technix> refresh inbox :P
[21:57:00] <JonathanThompson> I bet a lot of them have been living high on the hog.
[21:57:01] <duaneb> woot
[21:57:18] <pyCube> you guys being all 'bash the homeless' again?
[21:57:23] <pyCube> sheesh
[21:57:24] <Technix> not me man
[21:57:33] <Technix> I respect the homeless and less-fortunate
[21:57:39] <pyCube> "you know how they are..."
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[21:57:43] <Technix> I've been there, TWICE, in my lifetime, and it sucks hard
[21:58:23] <helf> i wasnt bashing homeless people
[21:58:31] <duaneb> I just did an `python -c 'import math; print math.atan(1)*4'
[21:58:32] <duaneb> `
[21:58:37] <helf> i was just wondering why the ones here seem to always be huge.. you'd think it'd be the opposite
[21:58:47] <helf> at least, I DO. :)
[21:59:04] <Technix> where is 'here' for you?
[21:59:11] <helf> alabama
[21:59:14] <helf> USA
[22:00:07] <pyCube> helf: if you havent noticed yet, poor people eat shittier food.  shittier food makes you fat
[22:00:19] <helf> i guess
[22:00:24] <JonathanThompson> You can be fat and be malnourished.
[22:01:17] <pyCube> obesity is mostly about poor people eating poor quality food
[22:01:33] <pyCube> er, the 'epidemic' anyway
[22:02:00] <helf> I hate that crap
[22:02:09] <helf> "obesity epidemic"
[22:02:11] <helf> psh
[22:02:14] <pyCube> it is
[22:02:26] <helf> more like a "utter lack of selfcontrol epidemic"
[22:02:32] <pyCube> bullshit
[22:02:48] <pyCube> at least on the personal level.. bullshit
[22:02:51] <JonathanThompson> Agreed, there's a lot of bullshit about the whole thing.
[22:02:59] <pyCube> societal lack of control.. sure
[22:03:09] <helf> i eat crap and im not fat. i actually "exercise" when i have the time, and dont eat tons just cause my eyes think i should..
[22:03:15] <JonathanThompson> I think it's a lack of proper education combined with crappy food being available cheaply that people like too much.
[22:03:26] * JonathanThompson awaits the time helf turns 30
[22:03:29] <pyCube> helf:  you are one person.. and young
[22:03:42] <helf> so what? i see 8 year olds that weigh almsot as much as i do
[22:03:54] <helf> being young has nothing to do with it
[22:03:55] <pyCube> yes it does
[22:03:57] <helf> its pure laziness for half of them
[22:03:58] <pyCube> watch
[22:04:01] <duaneb> helf, how old are you?
[22:04:05] <helf> 20
[22:04:09] <pyCube> your peers will baloon over the next 5-10 years
[22:04:12] <JonathanThompson> I see two main contributors (in terms of stuff sold) that contributes heavily: high fructose corn syrup, and the over-reliance on artificial sweeteners.
[22:04:21] <helf> pyCube: heh, probably
[22:04:26] <helf> I plan on never passing 180 :)
[22:04:29] <helf> im at 173 right now
[22:04:30] <pyCube> JonathanThompson: and the general emptiness of 'food' these days
[22:04:31] <JonathanThompson> ROFL
[22:04:34] <helf> unless its all muscle.. which i doubt
[22:04:43] <JonathanThompson> Yes, most prepared foods are rather empty of value these days, pyCube.
[22:04:57] <JonathanThompson> helf, you're not done growing yet :)
[22:05:08] <pyCube> people eat f**k loads of food because they are way malnourished
[22:05:13] <JonathanThompson> You'll broaden out, even if you remain lean, you'll gain weight.
[22:05:24] <JonathanThompson> And likely exceed 180.
[22:05:28] <JonathanThompson> How tall are you, helf?
[22:05:29] <helf> nope
[22:05:36] <helf> 5'11"
[22:05:46] <helf> or 6' depending on the tape measure.. heh
[22:05:47] <pyCube> i have lost weight since i was 20 actually
[22:05:49] <JonathanThompson> Ah, for some weird reason, I thought you were taller :)
[22:06:03] <helf> i refuse to get old and fat
[22:06:04] <pyCube> was ~180 back then.. hover around ~170 nowadays
[22:06:04] <helf> ugh
[22:06:07] <helf> :)
[22:06:16] <JonathanThompson> My ideal weight (as stated in 93 by a dietician that considered my build) is 178.
[22:06:22] <JonathanThompson> Mind you, that was 15 years ago.
[22:06:36] <JonathanThompson> I'm just barely 6'
[22:06:55] * helf realizes he probably has insulted a ton of people today.. oh well :)
[22:07:01] <JonathanThompson> I was 173 back in early May 2004, but that was unnatural.
[22:07:06] <pyCube> helf:  anyway, my point is that the obesity epidemic is more about class/social issues than it is about individual self-control
[22:07:16] <helf> probably right
[22:07:43] <helf> either way, I'll have no part in it.
[22:07:54] <pyCube> no matter how much self-control you have, if you cant afford fresh food, quality food, you'll be eating shit, if in a conltrolled manner.. heh
[22:08:05] * JonathanThompson marks helf's words for future use, like his rolling his RX-7 :)
[22:08:34] <duaneb> I'm a stick
[22:08:36] <mmu_man> 173 kg that's a bit large
[22:08:41] <duaneb> and I eat everything that comes my way
[22:08:44] * JonathanThompson loves the Tech Ticker with the caption, "Ignore the crazy guy in the window"
[22:08:52] <JonathanThompson> POUNDS, mmu_man
[22:08:53] <helf> 173lbs
[22:08:58] <JonathanThompson> There's 2.2 per kg.
[22:09:03] <helf> remember, we are freak americans who use arcaic old measuring systems :P
[22:09:12] <JonathanThompson> Archaic, even :P
[22:09:16] <helf> that too
[22:09:16] <helf> :P
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[22:09:38] <pyCube> another thing.. THC is a metabolic stimulant.  combined with good food, its great for keeping weight regulated
[22:09:45] <helf> pyCube: i try to eat more or less healthy :)
[22:10:00] <JonathanThompson> What are you going to do for a living, helf?
[22:10:05] <helf> everyone i know that uses that sits around snacking and gain weight
[22:10:12] <DeadYak> pyCube: I thought it stimulates appetite also
[22:10:18] <helf> IT at a library... unfortunately
[22:10:20] <JonathanThompson> Another downer is the average sedentary nature of a lot of US jobs these days.
[22:10:24] <mmu_man> the problem is not using deprecated unit system, it's thinking everyone use it so you can avoid mentionning the unit
[22:10:30] <helf> JonathanThompson: yeah
[22:10:35] <pyCube> DeadYak: appetite is a result of increased metbolic rate
[22:10:39] <helf> JonathanThompson: i dont have to do a ton of moving most of the time. which annoys me
[22:10:41] <DeadYak> JonathanThompson: especially in our industry
[22:10:52] <DeadYak> pyCube: ah
[22:10:52] * tqh not like haiku.org
[22:10:56] <duaneb> To stay thin: eat the appropriate number of calories, carbs, and fat, an EXCERSIZE
[22:10:57] <JonathanThompson> Yes, an occupational hazard of our job is getting fat.
[22:11:14] <JonathanThompson> And spell words correctly, duaneb :P
[22:11:17] <duaneb> exercise, even
[22:11:22] <pyCube> like i said, i have lost weight since i became a 'professional' programmer
[22:11:27] <pyCube> heh
[22:11:44] <pyCube> ..i''ve also grown more irratable and cynical
[22:11:49] <pyCube> ..but still..
[22:11:53] <JonathanThompson> You have too, pyCube!
[22:12:16] <helf> yeah, since ive known you you have!
[22:12:17] <helf> :)
[22:12:20] <pyCube> i burn calories with my anger
[22:12:23] <helf> over the last.. 4-5 years
[22:12:25] <pyCube> hehe
[22:12:28] <helf> jeez, it's been that long?
[22:12:41] <JonathanThompson> You've dated yourself, helf: was it a good date, at least?
[22:12:58] * JonathanThompson perhaps doesn't want to really know
[22:13:00] <pyCube> i should market a diet plan that focuses on channeling anger into fat bruning
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[22:13:21] <helf> JonathanThompson: my hand and I are getting married soon
[22:13:33] <helf> pyCube: I tihnk NYers have that down already
[22:13:33] <JonathanThompson> Better watch that wedding band ;)
[22:14:03] <pyCube> imagine the workout videos
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[22:15:10] * JonathanThompson wanders back to the orifice that is likely soon to get Steve Ballmer up the rear
[22:15:18] <pyCube> heh
[22:15:24] <duaneb> personally, I like '0xABADBABE'
[22:15:34] <duaneb> that's my favorite 32-bit integer
[22:16:24] <pyCube> i like 0x00000000
[22:16:41] <pyCube> although the 64bit representation of 0 is cool too
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[22:17:32] <duaneb> what, 0x1000000000000000?
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[22:25:43] <tqh> the results of my craziness: http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/2129
[22:32:43] <duaneb> tqh, how much faster would you say it is?
[22:33:44] <tqh> hard to say on real hardware bootup is the same more or less, but deskbar / terminal / background / tracker seems to launch instantly over here.
[22:34:06] <tqh> on vmware bootup is much faster
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[22:36:57] <tqh> if I shutdown in vmware so that restart is showing, and then from restart to full desktop is max 8s
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[22:54:08] <duaneb> does haiku not have readline?
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[22:58:29] <oco> duaneb : there is something in the gdb directory
[22:58:42] <oco> (src/bin/gdb)
[22:59:27] <duaneb> but not available to everyone? :/
[23:01:02] <oco> well at least sources are here
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[23:01:35] <duaneb> huh...
[23:03:47] <pyCube> dweet'n doo-doo...
[23:08:20] <duaneb> pyCube, want python on haiku?
[23:08:30] <pyCube> no
[23:08:33] <duaneb> no?
[23:08:35] <duaneb> why not?
[23:08:50] <pyCube> i dont have haiku
[23:09:12] <emitrax> honestly I think that some people make an abuse of python :)
[23:09:20] <pyCube> abuse?
[23:09:27] <emitrax> like developing a player
[23:09:38] <pyCube> how is that abuse?
[23:09:40] <duaneb> ...?
[23:09:58] <pyCube> quod libet is a great player, and its python
[23:10:08] <pyCube> music player anyway
[23:15:01] <emitrax> great player ?
[23:15:18] <emitrax> listen is so slow when I scale my CPU to 1ghz
[23:15:28] <emitrax> and it's a player we are talking about
[23:15:37] <pyCube> huh?
[23:15:47] <emitrax> Listen is another player in python
[23:17:17] <pyCube> what makes you think its the fault of  python and not listen?
[23:18:29] <helf> gotta go
[23:18:29] <helf> bye
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[23:26:12] <CIA-52> korli * r25106 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/ (ColorControl.cpp Control.cpp):
[23:26:12] <CIA-52> * typo in Control
[23:26:12] <CIA-52> * layout the view even in the case of an unarchived one
[23:26:12] <CIA-52> * this should finally fix #2121
[23:31:29] <CIA-52> julun * r25107 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/print/ (5 files): * invalidate only the items in question, should fix ticket #1803
[23:35:26] <Wiss> hi
[23:35:39] <duaneb> People don't use python for its speed...
[23:35:44] <Wiss> sorry, but I don't find my developername at svn dot berlios.de ... could someone help me ?
[23:35:54] <pyCube> duaneb: depends
[23:36:28] <cnuke> you can even write opengl based games with python which run totally fine...
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[23:39:22] <duaneb> cnuke, yea, well that depends on the game
[23:40:16] <CIA-52> julun * r25108 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/print/PrinterListView.cpp: * use HVIF icon on HAIKU, resolves ticket #1802
[23:40:18] <cnuke> duaneb: there is a wip quakeworld clone written in python
[23:40:41] <duaneb> cnuke, that's not pure python
[23:41:05] <cnuke> its not?
[23:41:18] <duaneb> nope
[23:41:21] <duaneb> look at the source
[23:42:20] <cnuke> i will :)
[23:43:46] <{V}> Wiss, what do you need it for ?
[23:43:56] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25109 /haiku/trunk/headers/private/kernel/ (thread.h thread_types.h):
[23:43:56] <CIA-52> * Added THREAD_BLOCK_TYPE_OTHER.
[23:43:56] <CIA-52> * Made the object pointer passed to thread_prepare_to_block() const, so
[23:43:56] <CIA-52>  that strings can be passed without casting. Passing a string could
[23:43:56] <CIA-52>  maybe be made a convention for THREAD_BLOCK_TYPE_OTHER.
[23:44:23] <cnuke> duaneb: ah, btw. i dont mean fteqw which replaced quakec with python
[23:44:55] <Wiss> I want to do the "svn checkout svn+ssh://developername at svn dot berlios.de/svnroot/repos/haiku/haiku/trunk haiku"  and I've found my developername "Adrien Lemaire", but it doesn't work yet
[23:45:01] <duaneb> oh
[23:45:24] <cnuke> ah nvm, it was not fteqw
[23:45:34] <SiCuTDeUx> fscking pay roll!
[23:45:50] <SiCuTDeUx> i hate human resources...
[23:45:57] <SiCuTDeUx> :(
[23:45:58] <cnuke> duaneb: you are right, there is qwpython out there
[23:46:04] <cnuke> but this is sth different
[23:46:15] <SiCuTDeUx> Kokito, colega!
[23:46:26] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25110 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
[23:46:26] <CIA-52> * Added support for timeouts.
[23:46:26] <CIA-52> * Added support for non-published condition variables. One has to call
[23:46:26] <CIA-52>  Init() on those, and add entries directly with the
[23:46:26] <CIA-52>  ConditionVariable::Add() method.
[23:47:02] <Kokito> hola SiCuTDeUx :)
[23:47:22] <SiCuTDeUx> Kokito, :D
[23:47:40] <SiCuTDeUx> Kokito, podrías darme la direccion de gavin para que cuando llegue a casa enviarle el email con la info
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[23:47:56] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25111 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/fs/fifo.cpp:
[23:47:56] <CIA-52> Use the thread blocking functions instead of a condition variable for
[23:47:56] <CIA-52> read request. Can probably be done for writers as well.
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[23:52:11] <CIA-52> axeld * r25112 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/system/kernel/device_manager/playground/ (bus.cpp bus.h device_manager.cpp driver.cpp): (log message trimmed)
[23:52:11] <CIA-52> Some more changes towards a working prototype:
[23:52:11] <CIA-52> * The "net" driver is now also loaded.
[23:52:11] <CIA-52> * The node tree is now dumped.
[23:52:11] <CIA-52> * If registering fails, the node is now removed from its parent again
[23:52:14] <CIA-52>  (for now, correct would be to release it).
[23:52:16] <CIA-52> * device_node::_RegisterDynamic() now also checks for the driver path.
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