April 20, 2008 
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April 20, 2008 [00:01:56] *** helf has quit IRC[00:02:50] *** m0ns00n|away has quit IRC[00:03:36] <BenoitRen> Thanks. So BONE is part of Haiku then?[00:05:10] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[00:06:03] *** Wiss has joined #haiku[00:06:09] <Kokito> BenoitRen, my understanding is that the Haiku net stack is BONE-style, and has net_server compatibility. but you better ask someone in the know :)[00:06:25] <Kokito> soccer time![00:06:26] <Kokito> cu later[00:06:50] <BenoitRen> That explanation works for me. :)[00:10:03] *** petterhj- has joined #haiku[00:12:44] *** Odium2 has joined #haiku[00:13:06] *** Odium has quit IRC[00:13:45] *** Haikuware928 has joined #Haiku[00:15:14] *** Haikuware928 has quit IRC[00:17:03] *** petterhj has quit IRC[00:19:24] *** daste has joined #haiku[00:21:41] *** Odium has joined #haiku[00:23:05] *** BenoitRen has left #haiku[00:24:13] *** Odium2 has quit IRC[00:37:40] <mmu_haiku> hmm why add a syscall for vm86 anyway, a vesa driver doesn't need a syscall... maybe the accelerant but it's not really needed[00:37:43] <mmu_haiku> oh well[00:44:46] *** petterhj- has quit IRC[00:45:35] *** slaad has joined #haiku[00:47:33] *** nutela has quit IRC[00:48:08] <mmu_haiku> bbl[00:49:12] *** mmu_haiku has quit IRC[00:52:43] *** vbmithr has quit IRC[01:00:51] <Poisson_Pilote> going to sleep, good night guys[01:02:19] *** Odium2 has joined #haiku[01:02:24] <DHowett> night Poisson_Pilote[01:03:42] *** Odium has quit IRC[01:05:16] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[01:05:18] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[01:07:25] *** koki_haiku has joined #haiku[01:08:21] *** RabidLockerGnome has joined #haiku[01:10:21] *** RabidLockerGnome has left #haiku[01:31:29] *** RandyW has joined #haiku[01:31:31] <RandyW> sup[01:32:37] *** RandyW has left #haiku[01:33:28] *** BlankBruno has joined #haiku[01:34:21] *** ThomHolwerda has joined #haiku[01:34:32] <ThomHolwerda> ola[01:36:58] *** CIA-50 has quit IRC[01:42:03] *** ozy` has quit IRC[01:42:45] <mmu_man> hmm build still broken ??[01:42:52] <mmu_man> on socket.cpp[01:43:10] <DHowett> yeah ..[01:49:25] <mmu_man> fixed[01:49:38] <mmu_man> hey cia where are you ?[01:51:30] <DHowett> In file included from src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/disk/virtual/nbd/nbd.c:22: headers/private/drivers/ksocket.h:36: os/drivers/socket_interface.h: No such file or directory[01:51:42] <DHowett> with the newest changes. Aye.[01:53:33] <stpere> D headers/os/drivers/socket_interface.h[01:53:58] <DHowett> Yes, indeed. But my point is- the files referencing it were not cleaned up[01:54:09] <DHowett> a couple were recently but #includes still remain[01:54:18] <stpere> yeah, gotcha[01:56:13] *** BlankBruno has quit IRC[01:56:23] <Schmedly3D> there was a commit a few minutes ago[01:57:27] *** salad has joined #haiku[01:57:32] *** slaad has quit IRC[01:58:08] <salad> That was odd.... USB stack randomly stopped working.[01:59:58] *** CIA-51 has joined #haiku[02:03:45] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[02:06:08] *** ozy` has joined #haiku[02:09:20] *** andreasf has quit IRC[02:12:01] <mmu_man> DHowett I fixed that[02:12:14] <mmu_man> but cia is down so it doesn't tell in the channel[02:12:39] *** wildur has quit IRC[02:14:31] * koki_haiku wants to be able to demo googlefs in haiku next time he goes to a conference[02:15:00] <CIA-51> mmu_man * r25062 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/login/ (Jamfile LoginApp.cpp LoginApp.h LoginView.cpp):[02:17:13] <mmu_man> ahh CIA-51 is back[02:27:30] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[02:30:03] * salad noogies AGoodWilderbeast[02:30:50] * DeadYak wedgies salad[02:31:36] *** daste has quit IRC[02:31:58] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[02:34:07] <ThomHolwerda> http://www.osnews.com/story/19659/Senryu_and_the_Be_Man_in_Disguise[02:34:14] <ThomHolwerda> i hope i dont offend anyone in there :([02:34:25] <ThomHolwerda> and by god it's 2:34[02:35:29] <DeadYak> ha[02:35:46] <ThomHolwerda> i cant get over that boot screen[02:35:49] <DeadYak> hah[02:35:53] <DeadYak> the hiding People guy?[02:35:54] <ThomHolwerda> great piece if humour[02:35:57] <ThomHolwerda> yeah[02:36:01] <ThomHolwerda> of*[02:37:09] <salad> Hehe.[02:37:11] <salad> That's awesome.[02:38:05] *** Odium2 has quit IRC[02:43:16] * [Katisu] checks if he is offended[02:43:22] <[Katisu]> nope[02:44:26] *** salad has quit IRC[02:47:31] *** Thom_Holwerda has joined #haiku[02:48:52] *** cyrann has joined #haiku[02:49:16] *** oco has quit IRC[02:50:51] *** slaad has joined #haiku[02:52:43] <Stargater> re[02:52:50] *** umccullough_ubu has joined #haiku[02:53:46] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[02:57:47] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[03:02:21] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[03:02:48] *** baskus has quit IRC[03:10:02] *** [1][Katisu] has joined #haiku[03:10:19] *** cyrann has quit IRC[03:12:03] *** Wiss has quit IRC[03:12:13] <DHowett> am i really the only one?[03:12:14] <Stargater> n8[03:12:18] <DHowett> src/bin/strace/ioctl.cpp:9: net_stack_driver.h: No such file or directory[03:12:19] <DHowett> 25062.[03:12:57] <Stargater> DHowett the build is broken[03:13:11] <Stargater> axel remove the old net stack stuff[03:13:18] <DHowett> indeed.[03:14:35] <Stargater> ok[03:14:36] <Stargater> cu[03:14:41] *** Stargater has quit IRC[03:16:51] *** [Katisu]_laptop has joined #haiku[03:17:25] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[03:18:16] *** [Katisu]_laptop is now known as [Katisu][03:18:38] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:22:20] <mmu_man> DHowett I have that in NetworkTypes.cpp in strace[03:28:22] *** [1][Katisu] has quit IRC[03:29:23] <DeadYak> hmm[03:29:30] <DeadYak> build worked here after an svn up[03:29:38] <DeadYak> I did a jam clean though[03:33:35] <mmu_man> odd, NetworkTypes.cpp chokes here[03:33:51] <mmu_man> gcc4 linux[03:36:49] *** umccullough_ubu has quit IRC[03:46:04] *** umccullough_ubu has joined #haiku[03:46:19] <umccullough_ubu> gah, build still busted?[03:46:50] <stpere> umccullough_ubu: apparently it is[03:47:09] <stpere> DeadYak said it worked after an svn up and a jam clean[03:48:52] <CIA-51> mmu_man * r25063 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/strace/ioctl.cpp: Remove net stack ioctls. strace still breaks on NetworkTypes.cpp though...[03:49:02] <mmu_man> maybe he doesn't have strace in his image ? :[03:49:51] <Schmedly3D> I just did an update and build with no issues about 30 minutes ago[03:51:59] <stpere> sport is always there to make me sad :-\[03:52:16] <DeadYak> mmu_man: if it's not in the stock image then I don't[03:52:41] <DeadYak> hmm[03:52:50] <DeadYak> it's in build/jam/HaikuImage...[03:53:10] <DeadYak> strace seems to have built fine form e[03:53:12] <DeadYak> for me *[03:53:47] <DeadYak> that was with 25062 though[03:54:50] <DeadYak> mmu_man: I'm on gcc2, would that make a difference?[03:56:19] <umccullough_ubu> i just did an svn up and killed my generated/objects[03:56:34] <umccullough_ubu> unless there was another update i missed :)[03:57:47] * umccullough_ubu tries again with 250603[03:57:50] <umccullough_ubu> 25063[03:58:18] <DeadYak> I was going to say, Axel and Ingo did another 230k commits while I wasn't looking? :)[03:58:31] <umccullough_ubu> ah yeah, still fails in NetworkTypes.cpp as mmu_man says :([03:59:03] *** aroman has joined #haiku[03:59:07] <aroman> hello all[03:59:26] <DeadYak> evening aroman[03:59:32] <DeadYak> umccullough_ubu: lemme try rebuilding that one..[03:59:42] <aroman> does anyone have a reliable nfs setup that used to work with Haiku from before the vfs change?[03:59:48] <aroman> hey DeadYak[03:59:54] <umccullough_ubu> DeadYak, still failed anywya[04:00:07] <DeadYak> rebuilding strace[04:00:18] <DeadYak> ah[04:00:19] <DeadYak> now it failed[04:00:26] <DeadYak> I guess my build sys forgot to update that or something[04:00:35] <aroman> because I got mounting of NFS to work! :D and the size of the fs and free size and all is recognized correctly :D[04:00:41] <DeadYak> aroman: nice![04:00:48] * DeadYak prods mmu_man[04:00:51] <aroman> but I can't really see what's in my share and all that... :([04:01:11] <aroman> tcpdump shows that some I/O error is sent from my server to the client[04:01:14] <aroman> and that's what haiku shows me[04:01:15] <aroman> :/[04:01:33] <aroman> so, if anyone has a setup and could test my patch... that would be awesome[04:03:11] <DeadYak> I don't currently have an NFS setup here unfortunately[04:03:38] <aroman> k[04:03:54] <aroman> well it'll just take me longer to get a haiku working in vmware with the driver....[04:05:44] * mmu_man pets DeadYak[04:06:30] <umccullough_ubu> yeah, i should setup NFS at home[04:06:39] <umccullough_ubu> i need a NAS :)[04:07:00] <mmu_man> aroman maybe check if there is a timeout you can increase in /etc/exports ?[04:07:11] <mmu_man> running form vmware mioght not help[04:08:02] <aroman> mmu_man: I would then use my trusted BSD NFS setup[04:08:06] <aroman> on my desktop[04:08:20] <aroman> I don't trust this mac os x leopard nfs server[04:16:04] *** salad has joined #haiku[04:16:05] *** slaad has quit IRC[04:16:43] *** umccullough_ubu has quit IRC[04:36:13] *** salad has quit IRC[04:37:36] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[04:42:28] <CIA-51> mmu_man * r25064 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/login/ (6 files):[04:42:51] <stpere> nice[04:44:28] <CIA-51> mmu_man * r25065 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/login/LoginView.cpp: hide pw checkbox was acting wrong...[04:53:37] <CIA-51> bonefish * r25066 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/debug/tracing.cpp: Ignore the trailing new line when printing trace entries.[04:54:40] <CIA-51> bonefish * r25067 /haiku/trunk/headers/private/shared/AutoDeleter.h:[04:54:40] <CIA-51> Added MethodDeleter class, which calls a specified method on the object[04:54:40] <CIA-51> when destroyed.[04:55:47] <CIA-51> bonefish * r25068 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/protocols/unix/UnixDebug.h: Made the used debug print function settable. Changed to ktrace_printf().[04:59:25] <CIA-51> bonefish * r25069 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/protocols/unix/UnixEndpoint.cpp:[04:59:25] <CIA-51> Send() and Receive() select notified the wrong socket about readability[04:59:25] <CIA-51> respectively writability.[05:00:21] *** inseculous has quit IRC[05:07:20] *** ablyss has quit IRC[05:07:56] <CIA-51> bonefish * r25070 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/protocols/unix/ (UnixFifo.cpp UnixFifo.h):[05:07:56] <CIA-51> * Riddled UnixBufferQueue class with debug code.[05:07:56] <CIA-51> * Implemented temporary work-around for net_buffer append_cloned(),[05:07:56] <CIA-51> which doesn't seem to work right in combination with remove_header().[05:07:56] <CIA-51> Or maybe I'm just misunderstood how it is supposed to be used. Anyway,[05:07:59] <CIA-51> this fixed invalid data in the stream when buffers were split by a[05:08:01] <CIA-51> read.[05:08:32] <CIA-51> bonefish * r25071 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/KernelRules: Add --no-undefined for kernel add-ons, too.[05:09:36] <stpere> bonefish is on fire! :O[05:09:42] <geist> i am on fire[05:09:48] <geist> it burns[05:09:57] <stpere> :)[05:15:23] <DHowett> Just out of curiosity.. not that i'd be sadistic enough to try it.. wouldn't it theoretically be possible to, with ext3 xattrs and an awesome filesystem driver, use it as a /boot for Haiku?[05:15:26] <DeadYak> geist: habanero burgers? :P[05:15:46] <DeadYak> DHowett: not without being able to do fast queries.[05:15:57] <DHowett> Oh right, queries. Stupid ext*[05:15:57] <DHowett> :p[05:15:58] <DeadYak> attrs alone aren't eough.[05:16:01] <DeadYak> enough*[05:17:04] <DeadYak> besides, what for?[05:17:13] <DeadYak> you wouldn't really gain anything out of it[05:17:40] <DHowett> As a curio mostly.[05:20:23] *** Deejay has joined #haiku[05:20:32] <DeadYak> geist: habanero burger? :P[05:21:04] *** Deejay has left #haiku[05:24:18] *** aroman has quit IRC[05:27:22] *** aroman has joined #haiku[05:28:54] *** [Katisu] has joined #haiku[05:32:11] <CIA-51> mmu_man * r25072 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/login/ (LoginView.cpp LoginView.h LoginWindow.cpp): Add an info StringView giving current time or error.[05:39:07] <stpere> I get an error when trying to compile a regex[05:39:21] <stpere> maybe the error message would be verbose to someone[05:39:31] <geist> that place closed, sadly[05:39:56] <stpere> geist: me?[05:40:29] <stpere> or the burger thing[05:40:33] <Technix> what's the error, stpere ?[05:41:48] <stpere> src/system/libroot/posix/malloc/threadheap.h:149:static size_t BPrivate::threadHeap::objectSize(void *): sb[05:41:57] <stpere> it looks truncated or something[05:42:14] <stpere> a backtrace tells me this :[05:42:58] <stpere> well, I can't paste[05:43:06] <Technix> http://pastebin.ca[05:43:08] <Technix> use that[05:43:14] <stpere> ok[05:43:24] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[05:46:38] <stpere> well, here it is :) http://www.gaspesie.net/philippe/backtrace.png[05:46:43] <stpere> it's trapped inside vmware[05:46:54] <stpere> I can't find a way to copy/paste from there[05:47:10] *** mmadia has quit IRC[05:47:48] <Technix> sec, stpere[05:48:06] <stpere> looks like there is a failed assert in realloc[05:48:20] <stpere> which is called by regex_compile[05:48:31] <Technix> actually, yes, I was just about to say[05:48:57] *** Zenja has joined #haiku[05:49:10] <Zenja> Morning / evening[05:49:16] <stpere> hi Zenja[05:49:19] <Technix> you were merely compiling a regex app?[05:49:26] <Technix> hi Zenja![05:49:33] <stpere> oh, no[05:49:46] <Zenja> English question (programming based). I need a word which which describes state, condition, property, task all in one.[05:49:49] <stpere> I was adding a regex filter to a text control in one of my app[05:49:58] <Zenja> Think of a group of post it notes, each with a state[05:50:02] <Technix> Parameter[05:50:05] <Zenja> What is each note called?[05:50:12] <Technix> hrmm.[05:50:15] <Zenja> The analogy is for software.[05:50:22] <Zenja> I have an object which contains state[05:50:35] <Technix> Snapshot[05:50:36] <Zenja> I need a generic name for it[05:50:52] <Zenja> But it also indicates things to keep track of.[05:50:56] <Technix> Snapshot[05:51:01] <Technix> seriously, this is a good choice[05:51:02] <Zenja> Post it notes is best real world example[05:51:08] <Zenja> Technix: snapshot?[05:51:09] <stpere> I have no idea if the error is within my code or is within haiku[05:51:13] <Technix> yes, Zenja[05:51:29] <Technix> stpere: that's hard to say, memory errors can be tricky[05:51:36] <Zenja> But each object can change. Imagine keeping track of doors open in a house.[05:51:42] <Zenja> You only care about the open doors[05:51:47] <Zenja> Dont care about closed doors[05:51:52] <Technix> you're keeping track of some set of things, in a moment in time, yes?[05:51:55] <Zenja> You have a list of doors to monitor[05:51:58] <Zenja> Technix: -yes[05:52:02] <Technix> snapshot[05:52:15] <Zenja> Technix: exactly. I need to keep track of objects worth monitoring.[05:52:24] <Technix> that's my advice. Use this word.[05:52:27] <Zenja> A list of door objects.[05:52:28] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[05:52:42] <Zenja> Snapshot is confusing to refer to tasks being monitored.[05:53:06] <Zenja> I've been raking my brain for the last 2 hours trying to figure out a good term.[05:53:12] * Zenja writing documentation[05:53:29] <Technix> Pile?[05:54:21] <Zenja> <quote> Software maintains a list of active ????? . </quote> That is the word Im looking for[05:54:34] <Technix> states perhaps?[05:55:05] <Zenja> State is OK, but not great. How can you call each open door a 'state'[05:55:25] <Technix> does it literally keep track of an open door?[05:55:36] <Zenja> <quote> Software maintains a list of active states</quote> That doesn't roll of the tongue.[05:55:48] <Zenja> Technix: actually, yes[05:56:25] <Zenja> <quote> Software maintains a list of active monitorees </quote> This is much better[05:56:35] <Zenja> But monitorees is not a word in English[05:56:36] <CIA-51> mmu_man * r25073 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/login/ (5 files): Add a desktop window to put a shelf on later... ActivityMonitor replicant ? ;)[05:56:38] <Technix> no, it snot[05:56:41] <Technix> its not[05:57:00] <Technix> doorways? :P[05:57:39] *** slaad has joined #haiku[05:57:39] <Zenja> <quote> Software maintains a list of active traceables </quote>. This is also better[05:57:40] <Technix> doorframes?[05:57:48] <Technix> trace states[05:57:52] <CodeAnxiety> job?[05:57:57] <Technix> door jobs?[05:57:58] <Technix> :P[05:58:16] <Zenja> CodeAnxiety: jobs implies that there is something to do. All I want to do is keep them in mind.[05:58:22] <Technix> positions[05:58:27] <Technix> aha.. positions[05:58:41] <Zenja> This isn't Kama Sutra :)[05:58:50] <Zenja> Though I'd love to write that book :)[05:58:52] <Technix> I'm serious. Positions[05:59:02] <Technix> Software maintains a list of active door positions[05:59:07] <Technix> tada[05:59:33] <Technix> and, if you ever extend it that a door is in more than two types, it doesn't matter[05:59:56] <Zenja> Technix: -think of lights in the dashboard of your car[06:00:03] <Technix> your analogies suck[06:00:05] <Technix> :)[06:00:13] <Zenja> Technix: - what does each one do - indicate the status of equipment.[06:00:29] <Technix> Seriously, what does this software do?[06:00:40] <Zenja> Lights in car dashboards are probably best example. They monitor doors, engine, oil, temperature.[06:00:47] <CodeAnxiety> what is the sentence suppose to describe?[06:01:01] <Zenja> Technix: closest analogy is dashboard of car. What does it monitor / trace.[06:01:06] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[06:01:23] <Technix> so then... either positions, or states[06:01:27] <Zenja> CodeAnxiety: an embedded system similar to functionality of Dashboard in car. With some lights on, you cannot start the car.[06:01:30] <Technix> it all depends on how you lead up to it[06:01:46] <Zenja> Perfect scenario is no warning lights.[06:01:55] <Zenja> But with some lights, you can still drive the car.[06:02:03] <Technix> but you're still not making it clear for us. tell us what the software is supposed to do and get away from the analogies. :)[06:02:06] <Zenja> So what does the documentation call each indicator.[06:02:12] <Zenja> INDICATOR - I found it[06:02:26] <Zenja> We have a winner[06:02:29] <Technix> sigh[06:02:34] <CodeAnxiety> task?[06:02:35] * Technix feels used[06:02:43] * Zenja pats Technix[06:02:55] <Technix> good job![06:03:02] <Zenja> Chris, you helped me sort out my documentation problem[06:03:10] <Zenja> Real world analogies do help.[06:03:13] <Technix> hehe[06:03:26] <Technix> yeah, but you went from open doors to dashboard lights.[06:03:35] <Zenja> INDICATOR actually describes everything I want.[06:03:36] <Technix> I'm all like, wha?[06:03:41] <Technix> yes, this is a good word[06:04:00] <Zenja> Well, we are tracing the state of doors. ANd petrol. And oil. But I was mentally stuck with doors.[06:04:09] <Technix> ah[06:04:21] <Technix> you're building some sort of overview/diagnostic system?[06:04:31] <Zenja> Yep. A controller.[06:04:34] <Technix> for a car?[06:04:37] <Zenja> Software based monitoring[06:04:42] <Zenja> Embedded system at work[06:04:46] <CodeAnxiety> indicator is what your software does, isnt it?[06:04:47] <Technix> ah, nice[06:04:55] <Technix> actually, it indicates[06:05:02] <Zenja> Well, I need to keep track of everything indicated.[06:05:04] <CodeAnxiety> that makes it an indicator[06:05:08] <Technix> indicator == noun[06:05:15] <Technix> indicates == verb[06:05:26] <Zenja> Thanks guys[06:05:31] <Zenja> You actually did help[06:05:34] <CodeAnxiety> I think condition sounds best *shrug*[06:05:59] <Technix> shoulda gone with Homeland Security Alert Level[06:06:01] <Technix> meh[06:06:19] <Technix> anytime, Zenja![06:06:40] <Zenja> Condition is good as well. That is exactly what I'm currently using.[06:06:56] <Zenja> But Indicator fills the application space better[06:07:05] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[06:07:08] <Zenja> Since Other modules worry about the condition itself[06:07:20] <Zenja> All I'm concerned with at the moment is indication.[06:07:31] <Zenja> And starting the device if indicators are green.[06:07:44] <Zenja> Stopping the device when an indicator is red[06:10:18] <Zenja> Off-topic. I must admit that it is extremelly pleasant to write documentation with Pages and OmniGraffle (Mac system). Beats MS Office any day of the week.[06:10:42] <Zenja> The Gobe guys who moved to Apple made an excellent product with Pages.[06:11:02] * Zenja wonders what Productive could have been if the dice rolled differently[06:11:10] * Technix goes to get ready for work, et al[06:11:32] <Zenja> Kind of late for work :?[06:12:01] <Technix> I work night shift 11pm - 11am[06:15:48] <CIA-51> mmu_man * r25074 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/login/LoginView.cpp: Present full names in the list instead of logins. Aw I should have slept tonight... zZzZ[06:19:35] <Zenja> Technix: been there, done that (7-7). Never again. But it's good, since no managers are there during the evenings, and it is a relaxing atmosphere in the morning. But the commute home is dangerous.[06:22:25] *** umccullough_ubu has joined #haiku[06:23:21] <koki_haiku> hi folks[06:26:01] <koki_haiku> check out http://osnews.com/comments/19659 and make your voice heard; I want to know what the community thinks.[06:26:08] <koki_haiku> dinner now. bbl[06:29:30] <umccullough_ubu> hmm[06:30:10] <umccullough_ubu> I am actually split on the topic[06:33:10] <Technix> As long as they remain in the guidelines, I see no issues[06:33:18] <Technix> its not like the guidelines are hard to follow[06:33:24] <Technix> this is a non-issue[06:34:23] * JonathanThompson renews the neutering of Technix in greeting[06:34:40] <[Katisu]> oh, referring to the guidelines[06:34:58] <[Katisu]> I thought we were talking about Jorge being a tad bit harsh now and then[06:35:56] <[Katisu]> :P[06:36:12] * [Katisu] notes umccullough_ubu is still making use of the dark force[06:36:42] <umccullough_ubu> dark force?[06:36:47] <[Katisu]> come over to comcast[06:36:52] <umccullough_ubu> oh[06:37:03] <JonathanThompson> Truly that is going over to the Dark Side of the Farce ;)[06:37:10] <umccullough_ubu> yeah, i'll be staying at my sisters' house until tomorrow[06:37:29] <umccullough_ubu> and yes, that's plural possessive :)[06:37:32] <DeadYak> [Katisu]: unfortunately I have no choice but comcast here.[06:37:48] <JonathanThompson> There's always Hughes Net, DeadYak ;)[06:37:50] <DeadYak> [Katisu]: unless I want to buy a landline I have zero use for to get HellSouth's crappy DSL[06:38:07] <[Katisu]> don't even have DSL as an option here[06:38:08] * JonathanThompson notes DeadYak wrote incorrectly at first[06:38:10] <umccullough_ubu> DeadYak, i don't like them - but if you had no choice, i would certainly understand[06:38:21] <[Katisu]> Dial-up or comcast[06:38:25] <DeadYak> I don't like them either.[06:38:25] <umccullough_ubu> honestly, if comcast had come to my house before ADSL - that's what i'd be using[06:38:30] <JonathanThompson> Sounds like the lesser of two-three evils.[06:38:37] <DeadYak> but BellSouth's DSL offerings are laughable[06:38:52] <umccullough_ubu> DeadYak, no CLECs?[06:38:57] <DeadYak> not that I'm aware of[06:39:06] <umccullough_ubu> bummer :([06:39:09] <DeadYak> yeah[06:39:13] <DeadYak> other side of town there'd be knology cable[06:39:14] <DeadYak> but not here[06:39:25] <umccullough_ubu> i've been hearing nightmares of newer AT&T installs near where i live[06:39:37] <umccullough_ubu> but i got on sonic.net and it's been wonderful[06:39:38] <DeadYak> bbiab[06:39:45] <umccullough_ubu> still and AT&T circuit[06:39:49] <umccullough_ubu> *an[06:41:37] * JonathanThompson wonders if Bryan Varner is still shaking in Indianapolis[06:48:28] *** The_Ringmaster has joined #haiku[06:48:55] <The_Ringmaster> hi[06:57:21] <Technix> wow.. never thought I'd post the same pic link twice for two jokes:[06:57:22] <Technix> http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm173/temporary1_bucket/big-mac-class.jpg[06:58:27] <The_Ringmaster> we can tell the poor kid can't we[06:59:28] <umccullough_ubu> depends on what the class was[07:00:28] <[Katisu]> might have forgot to recharge it[07:00:40] <[Katisu]> I've done that[07:01:06] <umccullough_ubu> i see a few others without their macbooks[07:03:19] <umccullough_ubu> so, i finally just went into my HaikuImage and removed strace[07:03:28] <umccullough_ubu> seems like the build succeeds now[07:03:48] *** Zenja has quit IRC[07:03:52] * [Katisu] wonders how much energy that class wastes[07:04:04] * [Katisu] starts dialing Al Gore to complain[07:04:06] <umccullough_ubu> i'm just curious what the class is for[07:04:09] <[Katisu]> not![07:04:28] <umccullough_ubu> i mean, clearly the requirement is that you have a macbook[07:04:34] <umccullough_ubu> wtf is up with that?[07:04:58] <The_Ringmaster> maybe it's a graphic design class[07:05:05] <JonathanThompson> There's one joker amidst that lot that has an Acer![07:05:10] <umccullough_ubu> and... why does that matter?[07:05:15] <JonathanThompson> Oh, think of the children of Apple's employees![07:05:50] <The_Ringmaster> are those mac book pros?[07:06:13] <[Katisu]> http://journalism.missouri.edu/news/2006/12-06-ilife-challenge.html[07:06:39] <umccullough_ubu> The_Ringmaster, i sure hope not - considering apple recommends you never use them on your lap :)[07:06:47] <[Katisu]> comments I've seen seem to point to that[07:07:17] <JonathanThompson> Just imagine if all those were actually plugged into power outlets in the room at the same time, powered on, and not running from battery.[07:07:42] <JonathanThompson> Then again, I can only imagine what the AC costs are, even if they aren't all plugged in.[07:08:24] * JonathanThompson imagines someone taking advantage of all those wirelessly enabled Macs, and figuring out a way to get them all to do SETI on the fly[07:08:30] <umccullough_ubu> heh[07:08:36] * umccullough_ubu whistles[07:08:53] <stpere> night[07:09:07] <[Katisu]> JonathanThompson, well they need to be plugged in to recharged at some point[07:09:08] <umccullough_ubu> laptops and cpu-intensive proggies don't mix ;)[07:09:28] <JonathanThompson> I'm painfully aware of that, umccullough_ubu ;)[07:09:33] <umccullough_ubu> :)[07:09:41] * JonathanThompson remembers doing 3D CAD tests on the "laptop"[07:09:50] <umccullough_ubu> i know a guy that eventually killed his laptop running it at 100% cpu for months on end[07:10:17] <umccullough_ubu> it died in a bad way :P[07:10:23] <[Katisu]> mine didn't die yet :P[07:10:23] <JonathanThompson> Flamed out?[07:10:57] <The_Ringmaster> single core?[07:10:59] <umccullough_ubu> no, fortunately not that bad ;)[07:11:08] <[Katisu]> actually, I probably don't have it set at 100%[07:11:19] <umccullough_ubu> The_Ringmaster, yeah, it was a P4 ~1.7ghz or something[07:11:49] <umccullough_ubu> this was years ago at this point[07:11:50] * JonathanThompson considers the WTF at work in his project that if a developer/QA guy comes in, there's not a 100% reproducible manner to get a couple developer machines up and going reliably from scratch[07:11:57] *** CIA-51 has quit IRC[07:12:12] <JonathanThompson> And do it in a sane and quick way, mind you.[07:12:32] <umccullough_ubu> JonathanThompson, bug in process ;)[07:12:41] <JonathanThompson> Major one, agreed.[07:13:14] *** CIA-52 has joined #haiku[07:13:18] <JonathanThompson> Oh, and get this: working on what is supposedly working with the largest database dataset in the world, many of us are stuck using development machines with 40 BG (billion bytes) hard drive machines![07:13:23] <JonathanThompson> GB[07:13:47] <umccullough_ubu> yeah, fun[07:14:07] <JonathanThompson> Damned accountants likely had their fingers in too many pie charts[07:15:15] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps Microsoft is more sensible with issuing developers machines, so perhaps it won't be such a horrible thing once the seemingly inevitable thing occurs...[07:15:56] <[Katisu]> goodbye to CIA-51, long live CIA-52![07:17:30] <umccullough_ubu> well clearly CIA-51 already had his nick in use ;)[07:17:57] *** goosemo has joined #haiku[07:18:02] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[07:18:10] <[Katisu]> well, starting a complete rebuild of Haiku[07:18:27] * JonathanThompson just learned something new from beosnews: IDE = Interactive Deveopment Environment[07:18:33] *** CIA-53 has joined #haiku[07:18:35] * [Katisu] wonders if it will finish sometime tomorrow[07:18:44] <Begasus> moin[07:18:57] <CIA-53> :)[07:19:02] <[Katisu]> you register it yet?[07:19:07] <umccullough_ubu> good idea![07:19:10] <umccullough_ubu> i should register CIA-1[07:20:35] <[Katisu]> JonathanThompson, Deveopment or Development?[07:20:53] * JonathanThompson adds the unexpectedly dropped l[07:21:02] <umccullough_ubu> interactive eh?[07:21:07] <JonathanThompson> I guess my fingers did light walking :)[07:21:20] <JonathanThompson> Clearly, something got lost in the translation...[07:21:21] <umccullough_ubu> i suppose it would be better if ones' development environment was interactive than not[07:21:40] <JonathanThompson> Since the homepage for it calls it integrated.[07:21:43] <umccullough_ubu> a non-interactive development environment would be somewhat... difficult to use ;)[07:21:56] <JonathanThompson> That's what you'd call pen and paper ;)[07:22:06] <JonathanThompson> After all, real programmers don't need a computer![07:22:09] <umccullough_ubu> well, that sounds interactive even[07:22:16] *** The_Ringmaster has left #haiku[07:22:17] <DHowett> Look! My interface is AWESOME! If you flip through the pages real fast it looks like it's playing a movie![07:22:17] * [Katisu] wonders if the boss shouting at you while working on a program counts as "Interactive"[07:22:18] <umccullough_ubu> you're interacting with the paper anyway[07:22:29] <JonathanThompson> Ok: real programmers don't even need that: they just think the code and run it in their minds ;)[07:22:37] <umccullough_ubu> yeah[07:22:48] <umccullough_ubu> doodz, i wrote that program years ago in my head![07:22:53] <JonathanThompson> Hopefully they have no dangling pointers ;)[07:23:09] <umccullough_ubu> and they don't free too much memory either[07:23:20] <JonathanThompson> And don't overwrite their stack too far ;)[07:23:35] <umccullough_ubu> or crash the kernel :([07:23:48] <JonathanThompson> Don't push too much onto or pop too much off of the stack.[07:24:03] <umccullough_ubu> and validate their inputs[07:24:10] * JonathanThompson wonders what the expression would be on the face of someone with a BSOD: 1+1=3 ?[07:24:59] <CIA-53> well, i'm off for good now guys - have fun developing your project and all![07:25:01] *** CIA-53 has left #haiku[07:25:32] <umccullough_ubu> fucking ident :)[07:25:37] <DHowett> O_O[07:25:38] <DHowett> oh, nevermind[07:25:58] * JonathanThompson doesn't want to know what sort of mistresses umccullough_ubu has when he's doing computer dating[07:26:45] <JonathanThompson> Whatever the details are, hopefully at least you're practicing safe hex: heaven forbid you'd need to run Norton Anti-virus on your wife![07:27:02] * JonathanThompson imagines umccullough_ubu's wife running a lot slower from then on[07:32:06] *** koki_haiku has quit IRC[07:38:07] *** MichaelHenry has joined #haiku[07:41:07] *** DHowett has left #haiku[07:44:05] *** Kokimare has joined #haiku[07:50:49] * umccullough_ubu corrects himself on osnews[07:51:06] <umccullough_ubu> lame[07:51:53] *** Odium has joined #haiku[07:51:56] <umccullough_ubu> Technix, you've never tried to use 4gb RAM in windows XP?[07:52:30] <umccullough_ubu> kind of amusing that 3 beos/haiku sites now have picked up this story[07:55:06] <umccullough_ubu> even Windows 2000 had a solution for it :)[07:58:47] <umccullough_ubu> oh strange - microsoft supported up to 128gb using PAE in server 2003 but only 64gb in server 2008[07:59:08] <umccullough_ubu> well, according to wikipedia anyway :P[08:00:02] <MichaelHenry> umccullogh, may I ask a question?[08:00:07] <umccullough_ubu> shoot[08:00:16] <umccullough_ubu> assuming it's not a long one :)[08:00:19] <MichaelHenry> you are a dev right?[08:00:26] <umccullough_ubu> of sorts[08:00:50] <MichaelHenry> I downloaded the source for the newest wget[08:01:03] <MichaelHenry> to compile on zeta/beos[08:01:18] <MichaelHenry> thought I would start small to learn how to port[08:01:37] <MichaelHenry> well it's not going like I thought[08:01:46] <umccullough_ubu> heh, porting isn't really "small" ;)[08:02:08] <umccullough_ubu> i don't know much about wget - never tried compiling it[08:02:10] <MichaelHenry> no kidding[08:02:19] <umccullough_ubu> probably start with ./configure --prefix=/boot/home/config[08:02:22] <umccullough_ubu> then make[08:02:26] <MichaelHenry> yep[08:02:29] <umccullough_ubu> where does that get you?[08:02:39] <MichaelHenry> won't get past configure[08:02:44] <umccullough_ubu> what fails?[08:02:46] <MichaelHenry> the config.log error is[08:03:29] <MichaelHenry> /boot/develop/tools/gnupro/i586-pc-beos/bin/ld: crti.o: No such file: No such file or directory[08:03:51] <MichaelHenry> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status[08:04:07] <umccullough_ubu> yeah, well beyond my knowledge already :)[08:04:20] <umccullough_ubu> did you already grab the most recently gcc 2.x from bebits?[08:04:21] <DeadYak> your devtools are set up wrong somehow[08:04:26] <MichaelHenry> yep[08:04:34] <DeadYak> crti.o is the C runtime[08:04:48] <MichaelHenry> ok my machine is zeta 1.5[08:04:52] <umccullough_ubu> yuck[08:05:08] <MichaelHenry> I downloaded everything to setup and compile haiku[08:05:11] <MichaelHenry> :P[08:05:26] <umccullough_ubu> zeta has a different dev tools setup than beos did[08:05:31] <umccullough_ubu> slightly[08:05:33] <MichaelHenry> no fooling[08:05:39] <umccullough_ubu> you installed the sdk stuff?[08:05:55] <umccullough_ubu> nevermind - i have no clue how to properly do that :/[08:06:03] <umccullough_ubu> i'll just be talkin' out my ass ;)[08:06:04] <MichaelHenry> it has the lastest already installed with symlinks to setup beos, haiku, and zeta[08:06:25] <MichaelHenry> 2.95 that is[08:06:40] <MichaelHenry> if I build on beos can it work on zeta[08:06:54] <umccullough_ubu> probably[08:07:16] <umccullough_ubu> btw, make sure you're not putting the new haiku cross-compiler into your /boot/develop[08:07:21] <umccullough_ubu> it doesn't belong there[08:07:24] <MichaelHenry> nope[08:07:32] <MichaelHenry> ain't trying that yet[08:07:35] <umccullough_ubu> k[08:08:00] <MichaelHenry> all i want is a way to upgrade some of the stuff in zeta[08:08:07] <MichaelHenry> until haiku is stable[08:08:14] <Technix> probably not possible at this time, MichaelHenry[08:08:31] <umccullough_ubu> well, it's possible...whether it's worth the effort...[08:08:33] <MichaelHenry> i know[08:08:43] <MichaelHenry> on both accounts[08:09:02] <umccullough_ubu> i mean, upgrading wget probably doesn't matter much[08:09:15] <umccullough_ubu> unless zeta doesn't even have it...[08:09:16] <MichaelHenry> so devtools is probably not set up correctly[08:09:23] <MichaelHenry> yeah it does[08:09:34] <MichaelHenry> 1.5[08:09:41] <MichaelHenry> or so[08:09:44] <umccullough_ubu> last zeta version i tested was 1.21 beta[08:09:49] <MichaelHenry> the latest is 1.9[08:09:49] <umccullough_ubu> and i didn't like it[08:09:54] <DeadYak> if it can't find crti.o, then I'd be surprised if you managed to build anything whatsoever.[08:09:55] <MichaelHenry> why?[08:09:59] <umccullough_ubu> 1.9? who the hell released 1.9?[08:10:04] <MichaelHenry> wget[08:10:07] <umccullough_ubu> oh[08:10:08] <DeadYak> he means wget[08:10:23] <umccullough_ubu> i thought he meant zeta 1.5 :)[08:10:25] <MichaelHenry> havn't been able to build anything[08:10:28] <DeadYak> exactly[08:10:31] <DeadYak> your devtools are messed up[08:10:32] <MichaelHenry> not haiku[08:10:35] <MichaelHenry> firefox[08:10:51] <MichaelHenry> or some corefiles[08:11:44] <MichaelHenry> should I uninstall all the devtools and setup them new like in darkwyms howto on building haiku[08:12:05] <DeadYak> you can try that...iirc 1.5 had a somewhat funky devtool setup though[08:12:06] <umccullough_ubu> to update the devtools, you need to follow the instructions in the GCC readme[08:12:11] <DeadYak> more than that I don't know, 1.5 was beyond my tmie[08:12:12] <DeadYak> time*[08:12:12] <Begasus> probly wouldn't be such a good idea ...[08:12:13] <umccullough_ubu> they have zeta-specific instructions[08:12:45] <umccullough_ubu> Begasus, are the zeta devtools borked?[08:12:47] <Begasus> they can co-exist (atleast in 1.51)[08:12:52] <Begasus> not here umccullough[08:12:55] <umccullough_ubu> heh[08:13:00] <Begasus> still doing all the ports on the ZETA PX[08:13:06] <Begasus> PC* even[08:13:14] <MichaelHenry> like i said on the funky, has three setups with symlinks[08:13:23] <umccullough_ubu> MichaelHenry, sounds like Begasus probably knows how to setup a good environment ;)[08:13:38] <Begasus> haven't try'd installing the newer Haiku gcc fixes in ZETA[08:13:38] <MichaelHenry> yeah well he is kinda busy[08:13:49] <umccullough_ubu> bah, he's not busy :P[08:13:52] <umccullough_ubu> j/k[08:13:54] <Begasus> I'm using default enviroment in ZETA[08:13:55] <Begasus> :P[08:14:00] <MichaelHenry> that and a seven hour difference[08:14:11] <Begasus> not atm .. just patched zeta-games.com/joomla[08:14:22] <umccullough_ubu> joomla - is that working out for you?[08:14:27] <Begasus> 1.0.15 atm[08:14:33] <Begasus> yeah working fine so far[08:14:38] <umccullough_ubu> we're using it on teamhaiku.com[08:14:42] <MichaelHenry> the way zeta sets it up on install?[08:14:42] <Begasus> site has been up for over a year now[08:14:45] <umccullough_ubu> not sure i like it[08:14:50] <MichaelHenry> that is default?[08:14:56] <Begasus> going to a steady 200k visitors ;)[08:15:10] <Begasus> umccullough, enough templates to adjust the look and feel ;)[08:15:15] <Begasus> visite ... bias[08:15:18] <umccullough_ubu> yeah...[08:15:46] <umccullough_ubu> MichaelHenry, sorry, was talking about joomla, not zeta :)[08:15:53] <MichaelHenry> i know[08:16:02] <MichaelHenry> :)[08:16:19] <MichaelHenry> Begasus, the default installs automatically?[08:16:33] <MichaelHenry> when you install ZETA clean[08:16:52] <umccullough_ubu> well, i'm outtie[08:16:55] <umccullough_ubu> ttyl[08:16:59] <MichaelHenry> not yet[08:17:07] <umccullough_ubu> eh?[08:17:08] <MichaelHenry> it isn't late :D[08:17:14] <umccullough_ubu> after 11 pm :([08:17:15] <DeadYak> 1:1[08:17:16] * Begasus pokes DeadYak ... xubuntu here :P[08:17:19] <DeadYak> er 1:17 AM here[08:17:20] <DeadYak> I call that late :P[08:17:27] <JonathanThompson> I call that early ;)[08:17:29] <MichaelHenry> me to[08:17:40] <Begasus> 8:17AM[08:17:47] <umccullough_ubu> i gotta be up early to go to the zoo with my family[08:17:52] <umccullough_ubu> so, outsie[08:17:55] <MichaelHenry> later guy[08:17:57] <umccullough_ubu> 'night[08:18:01] <JonathanThompson> Bye umccullough_ubu[08:18:02] <Begasus> make sure they release you after the visite umccullough ![08:18:05] <Begasus> cu ;)[08:18:08] <JonathanThompson> Hope they don't leave you there as a show :)[08:18:09] <MichaelHenry> lol[08:18:10] <umccullough_ubu> heh[08:18:15] <Begasus> hehe[08:18:18] <umccullough_ubu> yeah....[08:18:19] <umccullough_ubu> aight[08:18:21] <umccullough_ubu> laters[08:18:32] *** umccullough_ubu has quit IRC[08:18:45] <MichaelHenry> Begasus, have you ever built haiku?[08:18:53] <Begasus> ms .. MichaelHenry the defaults should already install automaticly[08:19:05] <Begasus> I'm doing the Haiku builds in xubunut here[08:19:16] <MichaelHenry> not on zeta?[08:19:23] * JonathanThompson hasn't heard of that mutation before ;)[08:19:25] <Begasus> sec ...[08:19:30] <DeadYak> I build on Ubuntu here also[08:19:33] <MichaelHenry> lol[08:19:54] <DeadYak> literally an order of magnitude faster than doing it on any rev of BeOS[08:19:56] <MichaelHenry> is Ubuntu Deadyak your build enviroment?[08:20:01] <DeadYak> yes[08:20:12] <MichaelHenry> for all Beos?[08:20:17] <DeadYak> yes[08:20:54] <MichaelHenry> would that be better for me?[08:21:11] <DeadYak> if your intent is to build Haiku, probably[08:21:55] <MichaelHenry> Build Haiku, learn to port, and more importantly learn how in the hell this all works[08:22:37] <MichaelHenry> we never covered ANY of this (configure, make, etc.) in college.[08:22:46] <DeadYak> ouch[08:22:51] <DeadYak> well, autotools surprises me less[08:22:53] <DeadYak> but make...[08:23:11] <DeadYak> how did you guys build anything bigger than a one file program? :)[08:23:20] <MichaelHenry> not really[08:23:35] <MichaelHenry> Took 1 year off C++ to boot[08:23:40] <MichaelHenry> make an A[08:23:44] <MichaelHenry> made[08:24:04] <MichaelHenry> and he focused on mostly Visual C++[08:24:12] <MichaelHenry> with databases[08:24:19] <MichaelHenry> Jet Engines[08:24:23] <MichaelHenry> ODBC, etc[08:24:36] <MichaelHenry> learning how to poll data[08:24:46] <MichaelHenry> and display it in a nice pretty GUI[08:25:04] <MichaelHenry> think I got screwed...[08:25:14] <MichaelHenry> :D[08:25:35] <JonathanThompson> IDEs have a place, but so, too, I think it's wisest for people starting out to learn about how to create at least a simple makefile so at least they start to grasp how it all really fits together.[08:25:52] <MichaelHenry> never made a makefile[08:25:58] <DeadYak> ouch.[08:26:10] <DeadYak> that sounds more like "How to make enterprise apps, daily WTF style" than computer science :/[08:26:13] <JonathanThompson> At least it may make people think a little more when they realize they need to include the same thing more than once in the dependency list for build order :D[08:26:22] <MichaelHenry> so imagine my surpise when the real world hits[08:27:15] * JonathanThompson first used compilers on computers that only had a single floppy drive[08:27:37] <MichaelHenry> even little projects like wget or any of the core utils have configure and makes. it's so frustating when something goes wrong[08:30:08] <MichaelHenry> Can the cross compile work on porting apps to beos?[08:30:43] <Kokimare> 0.2 mm thin display: http://image.itmedia.co.jp/l/im/news/articles/0804/18/l_yuo_sony_05.jpg[08:38:20] *** MichaelHenry has quit IRC[08:45:32] <Begasus> plop[08:45:35] <Begasus> back ;)[08:50:07] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[08:54:49] <Monni> plop[09:03:09] <Thom_Holwerda> ola[09:03:10] *** slaad has quit IRC[09:03:52] <xcasex> for a reimplementation. and no usability peeps around, there sure is some awesome uxd in haiku :)[09:04:35] <Thom_Holwerda> Kokimare: i didnt mean to make you look bad in that osnews item[09:04:52] <xcasex> and speaking of uxd. at work, we met the rest of the group on friday, funniest thing, people either had or were usability professionals or had a doctorate in psychology[09:05:07] <xcasex> and we're all 'cept for me, SAP specialists[09:05:14] <xcasex> i'm the joonix guy[09:05:15] <JonathanThompson> Kokimare isn't bad, he's just interviewed that way ;)[09:05:15] *** slaad has joined #haiku[09:05:54] <Kokimare> Thom_Holwerda, I take no offense whatsoever :)[09:06:11] <Thom_Holwerda> Kokimare: good, just wanted to make sure :)[09:06:42] <Kokimare> no problem at all Thom_Holwerda[09:08:45] <Kokimare> Thom_Holwerda, you did miss one step in the process that lead to the selection of the name Senryu though[09:08:59] <xcasex> your hello kitty fetish?[09:09:16] <xcasex> wait. that's sanrio :S[09:09:19] <Begasus> going out ... cya all peeps[09:09:25] *** Begasus has quit IRC[09:10:04] <Thom_Holwerda> Kokimare: which step?[09:12:47] *** Monni has left #Haiku[09:13:34] <Kokimare> Thom_Holwerda, before going with Senryu, they chose the name HAICOO[09:13:45] <Thom_Holwerda> ah yes[09:13:50] <Thom_Holwerda> i knew that.[09:14:14] <Thom_Holwerda> didnt think it would be significant enough to add that part of the discussion[09:15:11] <Kokimare> why not?[09:16:33] <Thom_Holwerda> it belonged to the process of complying with the guidelines[09:16:46] <Thom_Holwerda> changing the name to something acceptable[09:16:59] <Thom_Holwerda> i never gave that specific step much thought[09:18:32] <Kokimare> right, which is why I would think it is important to give an acurate picture of what actually happened, so that your readers can make up their mind[09:20:31] <Thom_Holwerda> i just wanted the item to say "these are the guidelines", "this distro didnt comply at first", "this is the main reason behind the guidelines", "the distro now complies", "my own opinion"[09:20:46] <Thom_Holwerda> short and to-the-point, as it's just an item, not a true article[09:21:20] *** siarzhuk has quit IRC[09:21:21] <Thom_Holwerda> if had set out to write a proper, long article on this one, it would've been MUCH more detailed[09:21:22] <Kokimare> OK. I just find it very hard to believe that Karl would have not known from the very beginning that HAICOO was not acceptable, had he read the guidelines.[09:22:21] <Thom_Holwerda> and, to my own defense, osnews is moving to these longer,more detailed items, instead of the glorified-rss-feed items we had before[09:22:36] <Thom_Holwerda> and that takes a bit of getting used to on my end :)[09:22:38] <Kokimare> which I think is a good thing :)[09:22:45] <Thom_Holwerda> despite the fact t was my idea :P[09:23:06] <Kokimare> anyway, the guidelines thing is a tricky thing.[09:23:28] <Thom_Holwerda> yes, which is good there's someone out there keeping an eye on them[09:24:08] <Technix> Thom_Holwerda: planning any interviews sometime soon?[09:24:27] <Thom_Holwerda> Technix: not specificaly atm.[09:26:07] <aroman> does the build_factory produce up to date images?[09:26:36] <aroman> the SVN Update log says r23722 which is quite old given we're in the 25000's[09:28:48] <Kokimare> aroman, the nightly builds are here: www.haiku-files.org[09:28:58] <aroman> k[09:29:01] <aroman> thanks Kokimare[09:29:54] <aroman> got it[09:29:57] <aroman> 25013... should do it[09:30:14] *** Stargater has joined #haiku[09:30:17] <Stargater> hi[09:30:20] <aroman> hmm what would be cool is if Haiku could build itself and then update itself :)[09:30:22] <aroman> hi Stargater[09:30:31] <Stargater> hi aroman[09:30:36] <aroman> then you'd restart and voila! updated haiku :)[09:30:41] <xcasex> Technix: btw, the bezilla exp. build for netserver only have the rendering glitch when switching between workspaces[09:30:52] <xcasex> aroman: its called gentoo[09:31:51] <aroman> xcasex: yes, I've been using gentoo, but I'm talking about haiku being able to do that...[09:34:02] <Kokimare> Stargater, have a binary of your Haiku game?[09:34:42] <Stargater> Kokimare yes , mom[09:38:44] <Stargater> Kokimare -> http://tm.kaldience.com/dir/members/stargater/CPP/Pairs_binary_for_koki.zip[09:39:00] *** Euver has joined #haiku[09:41:44] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[09:41:53] *** SprMa has quit IRC[09:42:04] <Kokimare> danke Stargater! :)[09:44:24] *** Kokitomare has joined #haiku[09:48:58] <Stargater> Kokimare bitte :-) and its works ?[09:53:27] <Kokitomare> Stargater, currently in Windows[09:53:41] <Kokitomare> will test later today or tomorrow. sorry :)[09:54:51] <Stargater> ok , np[09:55:40] <Stargater> but i not notif what you = currently in Windows , i hope you mean you are windows cleaning :-) == This is a joke :-)[10:00:22] <xcasex> Technix: ping[10:01:42] *** Kokimare has quit IRC[10:02:42] <Kokitomare> Stargater :) I am downstairs and need to use wireless, which is why I am in windows[10:02:57] <Kokitomare> too late for window cleaning here (1:00AM)[10:04:49] <Thom_Holwerda> Kokitomare: it's never too late to clean.[10:05:01] <Technix> yo[10:05:10] <Kokitomare> yo tambien Technix :P[10:05:11] <Technix> sorry, I'm at work (tonite and tomorrow)[10:05:55] <Kokitomare> Thom_Holwerda, for me, it is never the right time for any cleaning. I leave that to my wife :)[10:06:18] <Thom_Holwerda> heh[10:06:33] <xcasex> Technix: i lost contact with jess tipton, do you know what he's up to these days?[10:06:44] <Technix> ooh, haven't talked to him in a few years[10:06:49] <xcasex> yeah[10:06:50] <Technix> sec[10:06:51] <xcasex> :/[10:06:55] <Stargater> :-)[10:07:30] <Stargater> Kokitomare i used linux and i have wifi :-)[10:07:38] <Technix> shed at accesscomm dot ca <-- that's his email if you want to try[10:08:18] <xcasex> thanks Technix[10:08:29] <Kokitomare> Stargater, no linux in this laptop; Win + Zeta + Haiku[10:08:43] <Technix> however, it does appear the domain has lapsed[10:09:05] <xcasex> ack[10:09:06] <Stargater> linux - zeta - haiku here :-)[10:09:13] <xcasex> linux - haiku[10:09:28] <Technix> not getting a bounceback from my email I just sent to that addy[10:09:33] <xcasex> brb[10:09:35] <Technix> so... their email -could- be workin.[10:09:58] <Technix> yeah, their email server is working[10:10:12] <Technix> its just the web server that is not, so, its possible he still gets mail there[10:10:25] <Technix> [root@cshaiku ~]# telnet accesscomm.ca 110[10:10:25] <Technix> Trying 65.87.230.110...[10:10:25] <Technix> Connected to accesscomm.ca (65.87.230.110).[10:10:25] <Technix> Escape character is '^]'.[10:10:25] <Technix> +OK Access Communications mail read server ready.[10:10:27] <Technix> quit[10:10:30] <Technix> +OK Logging out[10:15:39] <xcasex> ok mailed him :)[10:15:44] <xcasex> lets see if it gives anythign[10:15:45] <Technix> groovy[10:15:53] <Technix> hope so[10:23:35] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[10:26:59] *** vbmithr has joined #haiku[10:34:14] <ddew|bofh> g'morning[10:43:48] <Stargater> so need to go offline. cu later[10:43:51] *** Stargater has quit IRC[10:45:11] <Technix> hey ddew|bofh how goes[10:45:57] <ddew|bofh> not much going on, enjoying my morning cup of joe[10:46:22] <ddew|bofh> anything fun happening over on your end?[10:46:41] <Technix> a customer is prepping a new CentOS box(s)[10:46:56] <Technix> I'm busy working on some things at hnn meantime, it's pretty dead otherwise.[10:47:05] <Technix> listening to Men Without Hats[10:47:24] <Technix> I have to add a whack of new fields for my users, for openid[10:47:56] <ddew|bofh> can't wait for openid to become the standard identification[10:48:26] <ddew|bofh> the idea of not having to remember a few hundred different logins is pretty tempting :)[10:49:05] <Technix> better than that, hnn will be an openid provider too[10:49:12] <Technix> which from my standpoint, rocks[10:50:13] <ddew|bofh> hnn being?[10:51:04] <Technix> haikunews[10:51:12] <Technix> the extra 'n' will be for 'network'[10:52:50] <ddew|bofh> ah, nice :)[10:53:25] <ddew|bofh> so even if it doesn't become a world standard we'll atleast have it (hopefully) on the haiku related sites[10:57:30] <ddew|bofh> i'd like it if openid was functionally similar to my bank id[10:57:54] <ddew|bofh> where i have this crypto device i enter codes into and gives me the password[10:58:07] *** mats has quit IRC[11:03:32] *** slaad has quit IRC[11:13:38] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[11:34:53] *** warpdesign has joined #haiku[11:38:55] *** Odium has quit IRC[11:52:06] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[12:05:27] *** vbmithr has quit IRC[12:08:21] *** warpdesign has quit IRC[12:10:48] *** Kokitomare has quit IRC[12:11:52] *** tqh has joined #haiku[12:24:51] *** andreasf has joined #haiku[12:28:34] <andreasf> good morning; anyone have a hunch what a relocation problem with pthread_sigmask could mean?[12:28:41] *** Kokito has quit IRC[12:29:17] <tqh> nope[12:29:27] <andreasf> observed in libapr.so since having changed from i586-pc-beos to i586-pc-haiku[12:29:49] <tqh> at compile time?[12:29:54] <andreasf> no, at runtime[12:30:23] <tqh> then I don't have any suggestions[12:31:00] <andreasf> thx anyway, guess I'll have to file a bug[12:31:25] <tqh> probably some mismatch in API's or class definitions, possible compiled at wrong headers?[12:32:44] <andreasf> hm, don't think so... worked fine for the static library, looks more like some PIC issue to me[12:33:19] *** slaad has joined #haiku[12:33:30] <tqh> ah[12:33:53] <andreasf> tqh, haven't you been working on Firefox? do you have a place I could link to from BePorts? I've setup a page[12:35:11] <tqh> havn't done anything in some time. All the links are the Bebits ones.[12:35:32] <andreasf> k[12:35:41] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[12:36:22] <plfiorini> hi[12:36:47] <andreasf> hi[12:42:34] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[12:43:21] <Technix> andreasf: you need hosting space somewhere?[12:43:42] <andreasf> hm?[12:44:12] <Technix> was just wondering if you needed webspace for an application[12:44:50] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[12:44:51] *** genkie has joined #haiku[12:47:48] <andreasf> Technix, let's put it this way, currently I have few things that work 100% confirmed. If I can't sort the above issue out, I may have to revert to static builds. In either case, Ingo has asked for all tests to either pass or fail for a known reason before they can be used as Optional Packages.[12:48:35] <Technix> you're in Quality Assurance then?[12:49:01] <andreasf> no, I'm on my own... ;-)[12:49:16] <Technix> well, still very noble[12:50:53] <andreasf> well, not too noble, I want to have some things working for myself, in that case sharing them with the community is a logical step[12:51:00] <andreasf> :-)[12:52:58] *** RandyW has joined #haiku[12:54:56] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[13:00:23] *** RandyW is now known as grOober[13:00:29] *** grOober has quit IRC[13:10:27] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[13:10:32] *** procton_ has joined #haiku[13:17:08] *** oco has joined #haiku[13:23:09] *** DocPheniX has quit IRC[13:26:54] *** andreasf has quit IRC[13:27:21] *** ddew|bofh has quit IRC[13:27:31] *** procton has quit IRC[13:33:05] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[13:35:33] *** nibble has joined #haiku[13:37:12] *** DocPheniX has joined #haiku[13:45:27] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[13:45:32] *** rdmr has quit IRC[13:56:37] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[13:57:54] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[14:00:51] <CIA-52> axeld * r25075 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/strace/NetworkTypes.cpp:[14:00:51] <CIA-52> Fixes building strace - the network types should be reworked to work with the[14:00:51] <CIA-52> new syscalls, though.[14:01:54] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[14:02:45] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[14:08:11] *** ddew|bofh has joined #haiku[14:08:49] <ddew|bofh> phew, i just remembered why i never move my servers :)[14:09:16] <ddew|bofh> lugging around an 80 pound server _sucks_[14:09:41] <tqh> I just remembered why I don't have servers :)[14:10:59] <Thom_Holwerda> ola all[14:11:05] <ddew|bofh> it's purpose changes tomorrow. no longer will it be a stationary server but a router/gw for lans[14:11:09] <Thom_Holwerda> darn, im on the wrong machine[14:11:25] <ThomHolwerda> i should be here[14:11:30] <ddew|bofh> dual fiber interfaces to speak with my switches :)[14:11:36] <ddew|bofh> hiya thom[14:11:45] <ThomHolwerda> hiya[14:11:58] <ThomHolwerda> working on a mini-interview with rasterman[14:12:03] <ThomHolwerda> of Enlightenment[14:12:16] <ddew|bofh> yeah, everyone know who rasterman is ;)[14:12:42] <ddew|bofh> what's the interview about? the perpetual pre-release status of e17 or?[14:14:17] <ThomHolwerda> well, eet, one of the EFL, moved into 1.0.0 status today[14:14:25] <ThomHolwerda> im wondering if that's a first sign[14:14:32] <ThomHolwerda> in november, he did state the release was close[14:15:02] <ThomHolwerda> and another thing is a screenshot on his webserver that allegedly shows the new theme for e17[14:15:33] <ddew|bofh> it's a shame it took so long, when e17 first started doing the rounds it looked fresh and exciting. now the whole thing just feels dated[14:16:01] *** dchis has joined #haiku[14:16:04] <ThomHolwerda> hence new theme[14:16:55] <ddew|bofh> still looks kinda bland[14:17:07] <ThomHolwerda> http://www.rasterman.com/files/e17-new-theme-shot.png[14:17:18] <ddew|bofh> that's what i was referring to[14:17:22] <ThomHolwerda> dates january 15th.[14:17:35] <ThomHolwerda> yeah imnot exactly exstatic about it too[14:17:36] <ThomHolwerda> but hey[14:17:41] <ThomHolwerda> it's themeable :P[14:17:46] <ddew|bofh> true[14:18:05] <ddew|bofh> wonder if they've accepted compositing or if they still do shadows etc in software[14:18:32] <Penix> has seperate backends that use both IIRC[14:19:00] <Penix> some sort of xrender composite support I think as well as the software renderer[14:19:11] <ddew|bofh> last time i played around with it the closest thing was the buggy bling module[14:19:45] <Penix> the clearlooks theme is fairly good if you're a clearlooks gtk user[14:20:23] <ThomHolwerda> i like the lightness of EFL[14:20:42] <ThomHolwerda> if that thing goes final and we start seeing new apps using them[14:20:45] <ddew|bofh> agreed, the lightness of e17 in general is a win[14:20:50] <ThomHolwerda> boy can we be in for good stuff[14:21:01] <Penix> I wanna see it blow up in the 'embedded' space really[14:21:12] <ddew|bofh> so in 10 years when e17 i released there'll be some really nifty apps :P[14:21:17] <ddew|bofh> *is released[14:21:28] <Penix> we'll be playing duke nukem forever with our e17 desktops[14:35:55] *** dchis has quit IRC[14:41:59] *** dchis has joined #haiku[14:42:03] <CIA-52> korli * r25076 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/NetBootArchive: removed net_stack and socket from net boot image[14:44:14] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[14:45:44] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[14:50:25] *** vbmithr has joined #haiku[14:50:47] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[14:51:18] *** jiuda_D`arkness has joined #haiku[14:53:42] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25077 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/OptionalPackages: Wrong package name in error message. Spotted by Andreas F?\195?\164rber.[14:53:43] *** Roderic has joined #Haiku[14:53:44] *** Roderic is now known as Ingenu[15:02:48] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[15:08:01] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[15:08:19] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[15:11:03] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[15:12:20] *** jiuda_D`arkness is now known as Barrett666[15:12:40] *** ddew|bofh has quit IRC[15:15:11] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[15:16:12] *** vbmithr has quit IRC[15:20:54] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[15:24:01] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[15:24:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[15:31:57] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[15:36:03] *** Tonik has joined #haiku[15:37:34] *** ddew|bofh has joined #haiku[15:40:30] *** andreasf has joined #haiku[15:41:43] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[15:42:02] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[15:42:22] *** AndrevS has quit IRC[15:45:00] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[15:50:16] <ddew|bofh> *grunt* i hate allergies :([15:51:59] <ThomHolwerda> for what are you allergic?[15:53:20] <ddew|bofh> pollen(?)[15:53:46] <DaaT> that must suck[15:54:13] <ddew|bofh> indeed it does, April and May are usually spent in a daze sneezing all the time :)[15:54:35] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[15:54:42] <DaaT> :)[15:55:19] <ddew|bofh> there are meds for it, but they are classic cases of the cure being worse than the poison[15:55:56] <ddew|bofh> i wouldn't sneeze or anything but on the other hand i'd spend 20h/day asleep[15:56:00] <DaaT> *nod*[15:56:35] <ddew|bofh> you allergic too?[15:57:08] <andreasf> have you tried Livocap(?), helped my ex-girlfriend[15:57:12] <DaaT> fortunately no, but my brother is[15:57:26] <ThomHolwerda> i have very minor pollen allergies, but's usually only one day a year, and th epast few years it didnt occur at all[15:57:37] <ThomHolwerda> it's scariest when it occurs while driving[15:57:52] <ThomHolwerda> you sneeze your butt off, eyes are so watery you cant see a thing[15:57:53] <DaaT> you driving is what scares me[15:57:57] <ThomHolwerda> scared the crap out of me[15:58:08] <ThomHolwerda> DaaT: im an exemplary driver, actually.[15:58:36] <DaaT> :)[15:59:27] <ddew|bofh> and he drives a Micra, he can't do any damage with that car :P[15:59:32] <DaaT> true[15:59:40] <DaaT> a snail would dent it[15:59:42] <ThomHolwerda> no bitching about the Micra[15:59:53] <ThomHolwerda> she could kick your ass.[16:00:00] <ddew|bofh> it's a great car for pensioners and old ladies with hats ;)[16:00:01] <DaaT> she fights like a girl[16:00:03] <DaaT> same as you[16:00:05] * DaaT hides[16:00:10] <ddew|bofh> hehe[16:00:23] <ThomHolwerda> my micra is fcuking badass[16:00:32] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25078 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/ (HaikuImage UserBuildConfig.ReadMe):[16:00:32] <CIA-52> Added HAIKU_IMAGE_HOST_NAME build system variable. Can be used to set[16:00:32] <CIA-52> the host name of the Haiku installation.[16:00:36] <ThomHolwerda> you know what they say, the bigger the car, the smaller the...[16:00:57] <ddew|bofh> they saythat or is it something people with crappy cars has made up? :P[16:01:08] <DaaT> ddew|bofh, i'd go for the latter[16:01:09] <DaaT> :D[16:01:14] <ThomHolwerda> i dont know, i dont have a crappy car :D[16:01:37] <ddew|bofh> it's a decent car, despite being a japanese city car[16:01:54] <DaaT> ddew|bofh, i'm expecting a new japanese city car, so watch it[16:01:55] <DaaT> :P[16:02:00] <ThomHolwerda> drives very well, the micra is known for having a good chassis (esp. for its class)[16:02:39] <ddew|bofh> my next car is gonna be a mercedes[16:02:52] <DaaT> cool[16:02:55] <ddew|bofh> going for a tiny citycar with close to zero fuelconsumption[16:03:12] <DaaT> smart?[16:03:17] <ddew|bofh> yup[16:03:21] <DaaT> nice[16:03:24] <DaaT> mazda 2 myself[16:03:25] <ThomHolwerda> bwahahaah[16:03:36] <ThomHolwerda> i hate the smart[16:03:37] <ThomHolwerda> sriously[16:03:40] <ThomHolwerda> it;s not a car.[16:03:47] <ThomHolwerda> to each his own, of course[16:03:51] <ddew|bofh> what's to hate about it?[16:03:58] <ThomHolwerda> i dont like its looks[16:03:58] <ddew|bofh> it does it's job perfectly[16:04:03] <DaaT> i have an opinion, but in respect for ddew|bofh, i won't say it[16:04:04] <DaaT> :P[16:04:13] <ddew|bofh> hehe[16:04:24] <ThomHolwerda> ddew|bofh: except the moose test, which should, uhm apeal to you.[16:04:37] <ddew|bofh> i'm only in it for the cheap price, the quality, fuel consumption and free parking[16:04:45] <ThomHolwerda> cheap?[16:04:51] <ddew|bofh> i'm a city boy, i haven't seen a moose here in years[16:04:52] <ThomHolwerda> a smat is quite expensive for what you get[16:04:55] <ThomHolwerda> at least in NL[16:05:10] <DaaT> same here Thom_Holwerda[16:05:39] <ddew|bofh> maybe it's cheaper here due to all the rebates the government gives up for getting eco-friendly cars[16:06:28] <ThomHolwerda> cars in NL are about 30-40% more expensive than in in other european countries because of a special sales tax imposed upon new cars[16:06:38] <ddew|bofh> ouch, annoying[16:06:42] <ThomHolwerda> yup.[16:06:52] <DaaT> we have it here as well actually[16:07:48] <ddew|bofh> if they introduce that tax here i'll keep using my porsche a a daily driver just to piss them off :)[16:07:53] *** tombhad-AC has joined #haiku[16:08:39] <ddew|bofh> as of next year it'll bree tax-free[16:08:42] <ddew|bofh> *be[16:14:17] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[16:15:05] *** Barrett has quit IRC[16:18:59] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[16:21:34] *** slaad has quit IRC[16:24:49] *** AndrevS has joined #haiku[16:26:19] *** _Vampyre has joined #haiku[16:26:26] *** Vampyre has quit IRC[16:29:40] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[16:31:06] *** _Lucretia_ has joined #haiku[16:36:24] *** Euver has quit IRC[16:39:46] *** wildur has quit IRC[16:48:20] *** Wiss has joined #haiku[16:48:24] *** dchis has quit IRC[16:54:38] *** tombhad-AC has quit IRC[16:56:37] *** MauriceK has joined #haiku[16:56:37] *** Maurice1 has quit IRC[16:57:23] *** tombhad-AC has joined #haiku[16:58:45] *** _Lucretia__ has joined #haiku[16:58:52] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[16:58:57] *** _Lucretia_ has quit IRC[16:58:59] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[16:59:07] *** _Lucretia__ is now known as _Lucretia_[17:03:53] <Technix> xcasex: you still here?[17:08:49] <xcasex> Technix: yep[17:08:58] <Technix> Jess replied to my email[17:09:07] <xcasex> oh?[17:09:23] <Technix> so, check your email too[17:09:36] <xcasex> yeah just did[17:09:41] <xcasex> he mailed me back :D[17:09:48] <Technix> well, there you go[17:09:49] <Technix> cool[17:12:08] <xcasex> haha[17:12:15] <xcasex> he's still his old self, lovely! :D[17:12:19] <Technix> yeah[17:13:21] <xcasex> wonder what he's up to these days :S[17:16:02] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25079 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs):[17:16:02] <CIA-52> We use only a single condition variable (instead of thread different[17:16:02] <CIA-52> ones) for wait_for_child(), which is notified when any job control[17:16:02] <CIA-52> condition (child dead, stopped, continued) occurs. These events are[17:16:02] <CIA-52> relatively rare anyway, and it simplifies the code.[17:19:50] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25080 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):[17:19:50] <CIA-52> Removed the feature that a thread can wait for more than one condition[17:19:50] <CIA-52> variable at once. It wasn't used anymore, and the code gets simpler.[17:21:29] <Technix> tbdb weather cyxd[17:21:35] <Technix> oops, wrong window[17:22:22] <xcasex> O.o[17:23:28] *** Stargater has joined #haiku[17:23:32] <Stargater> hi[17:23:33] *** Odium has joined #haiku[17:23:53] *** mmadia has quit IRC[17:29:53] *** oco has quit IRC[17:40:29] *** nanoid has quit IRC[17:41:24] *** TheNerd_ has joined #haiku[17:44:43] *** dchis has joined #haiku[17:49:17] *** HeTo has quit IRC[17:50:49] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[17:50:58] *** tombhad-AC has quit IRC[17:52:52] * ThomHolwerda pets DeadYak[17:53:00] *** tombhad-AC has joined #haiku[17:53:42] *** dchis has quit IRC[17:56:41] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[17:57:55] <CIA-52> korli * r25081 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/packageinstaller/PackageInfo.cpp: fixed bug #2101 : normalize user paths, use localType for links[17:58:42] *** umccullough_ubu has joined #haiku[18:01:27] <umccullough_ubu> Karl should just call Senryu "Crashing Edition" :)[18:01:43] *** TheNerd_ is now known as TheNerd[18:01:52] <umccullough_ubu> heh, hi TheNerd[18:02:06] <TheNerd> hi umccullough_ubu[18:02:20] <Technix> is it that bad?[18:02:52] <umccullough_ubu> Technix, dunno - but basically if someone downloads it, runs it, and it crashes - they're going to wonder why someone is releasing it[18:03:03] <Technix> that is a very good point[18:03:18] <ThomHolwerda> umccullough_ubu: good reply to the troll ovr at osn[18:03:22] <ThomHolwerda> ver*[18:03:25] <ThomHolwerda> over*[18:03:25] <Stargater> eating[18:03:34] *** Stargater has quit IRC[18:03:41] <Technix> damn you, why must you be eating... I only have an hour to go and I'm off work.[18:03:42] <Technix> :P[18:03:48] <ddew|bofh> the only little "anti"-thing towards senryu is the false impression it gives[18:03:51] <Technix> sooooo hungry[18:04:03] <umccullough_ubu> ThomHolwerda, thx :)[18:04:08] *** jspiros_ has joined #haiku[18:04:44] <TheNerd> ohhh the Senryu debate again ;)[18:04:47] <CIA-52> korli * r25082 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/Box.cpp: Patch from Shinta: fStyle defaults to B_FANCY_BORDER[18:04:59] <umccullough_ubu> TheNerd, yeah... unfortunately i don't have time to talk much atm :([18:05:05] <TheNerd> no problem[18:05:07] <umccullough_ubu> gotta get ready to head to the zoo with the kids[18:05:08] <TheNerd> lol[18:05:11] *** jspiros has quit IRC[18:05:16] <umccullough_ubu> but otherwise, i'd love to banter with you a bit about it :)[18:05:24] <ThomHolwerda> say hi to the felines for me, umccullough_ubu[18:05:31] <TheNerd> no problem. we can do that another time :)[18:05:42] <TheNerd> I'm usually around at some point each day :)[18:05:44] <umccullough_ubu> ThomHolwerda, the tiger exhibit is closed because they mauled a kid that taunted them[18:05:51] <umccullough_ubu> (SF Zoo)[18:05:53] <ThomHolwerda> mauled?[18:05:57] <umccullough_ubu> yeah[18:06:01] <Technix> dang, they should have kept it open as a lesson to other idiotic kids[18:06:08] <ThomHolwerda> what does that mean?[18:06:10] <Technix> yeh, brilliant frackin idea.. taunt a LION[18:06:11] <umccullough_ubu> it was all over the news months ago[18:06:19] <umccullough_ubu> ThomHolwerda, attacked[18:06:24] <ThomHolwerda> ah.[18:06:28] <umccullough_ubu> tiger I think[18:06:33] <ThomHolwerda> natural selection at work[18:06:33] <umccullough_ubu> was it lions?[18:06:57] <Technix> there's something to be said for darwinism[18:07:24] <umccullough_ubu> of course, the zoo got sued for something... i'm certain[18:07:33] <Technix> typical US reaction[18:08:02] <umccullough_ubu> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,318365,00.html[18:08:07] <umccullough_ubu> "may have been provoked" :P[18:08:14] <umccullough_ubu> i think they've proven since then that it was[18:08:34] <TheNerd> silly people[18:08:46] <umccullough_ubu> oh, apparently they reopened the exhibit in february[18:08:53] <umccullough_ubu> interesting - my sister said it was still closed[18:09:27] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[18:09:28] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[18:09:43] <umccullough_ubu> anyhow, time to go - ttyl[18:09:50] <TheNerd> later umc[18:10:23] *** umccullough_ubu has quit IRC[18:13:27] <Technix> anyone use openID here?[18:14:55] <CIA-52> mmu_man * r25083 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/login/ (6 files):[18:15:06] <mmu_man> nope[18:19:49] *** DaaT has quit IRC[18:20:02] <mmu_man> http://revolf.free.fr/beos/shots/shot_beos_haiku_login_app.png[18:20:46] <TheNerd> neat :)[18:20:47] <ddew|bofh> nice![18:21:16] <ddew|bofh> the transaprency in the activity monitor is a great plus[18:21:23] <ddew|bofh> *transparency[18:21:36] <mmu_man> it's not, just same color[18:21:49] <mmu_man> oddly it doesn't save the legend bg color anymore, axel broke it[18:22:08] <ddew|bofh> ok, transparency in the activity monitor would be a big plus then :P[18:22:47] <Thom_Holwerda> huh[18:22:53] <Thom_Holwerda> login to haiku?[18:23:07] *** ChanServ has quit IRC[18:23:50] <Technix> well, we need it eventually[18:24:15] <Thom_Holwerda> sure.[18:24:36] *** ChanServ has joined #haiku[18:24:36] *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ[18:24:57] <ddew|bofh> is it just me or is multiple users on a system starting to decline again?[18:25:24] <ddew|bofh> it used to be that a system was shared in say a household but now everyone i getting their own slaptops instead[18:25:29] <ddew|bofh> *is[18:25:36] <mmu_man> well you can find linux running phones, so even phones you can share :)[18:25:42] *** genkie has quit IRC[18:25:54] <Thom_Holwerda> i dont want linux running on my phone :([18:26:23] <ddew|bofh> i'm a huge fan of symbian, with python for it there's not much much you can't do[18:26:24] <andreasf> ddewlbofh, number of user accounts and number of physical users don't need to match[18:26:47] <ddew|bofh> andreasf: of course not, but for "normal" usage it tends to be the case[18:26:54] <andreasf> no[18:27:24] <andreasf> you have more accounts than actual users, think of system services[18:27:50] <andreasf> I read this were necessary for OpenSSH for instance[18:27:55] <ddew|bofh> good thing i wasn't talking about multiple accounts then but multiple users[18:28:00] <ddew|bofh> :)[18:28:33] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[18:28:40] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[18:28:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[18:28:53] *** tombhad-AC has quit IRC[18:29:14] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[18:30:01] *** tombhad-AC has joined #haiku[18:30:12] *** Stargater has joined #haiku[18:30:13] <Stargater> re[18:30:29] <mmu_man> re[18:33:23] *** Wiss has quit IRC[18:36:07] *** _Lucretia_ has quit IRC[18:38:17] *** duaneb has joined #haiku[18:40:13] *** _Lucretia_ has joined 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<duaneb> but don't make fun of my code :([19:22:29] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[19:22:30] *** jiuda_D`arkness is now known as Barrett666[19:24:36] <andreasf> :'-D[19:30:31] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[19:31:20] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[19:32:58] <stpere> jebus[19:35:18] *** Wiss has joined #haiku[19:37:32] <Wiss> erf... there is nobody on the french haiku irc channel[19:40:28] <stpere> bonjour wiss[19:41:31] <Wiss> hi ok lol[19:43:41] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[19:44:24] *** oco has joined #haiku[19:47:14] <CIA-52> korli * r25086 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/Box.cpp: as noticed by Axel, InitObject is also used by other constructors: we init fStyle in the BArchive constructor instead.[19:48:06] *** rcjsuen_ has joined #haiku[19:49:05] *** rcjsuen__ has joined #haiku[19:49:47] <CIA-52> bonefish * r25087 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/system/kernel/ (Jamfile sem_acquire_test1.cpp):[19:49:47] <CIA-52> Added simple test that demonstrates that unblocking threads waiting on a[19:49:47] <CIA-52> semaphore after an interrupted one is broken.[19:51:03] <geist> mm[19:51:06] <geist> hmm[19:52:17] <DeadYak> I'm not sure I completely grok what he means by that[19:52:28] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[19:53:58] <geist> oh, it's probably some signal or unwinding problem[19:54:08] <geist> ie, not newos :)[19:55:18] <stpere> :)[19:55:36] *** MindChild has joined #haiku[20:01:59] *** helf has joined #haiku[20:02:30] <helf> hola[20:02:35] <mmadia> hi josh[20:02:43] <helf> hey matt :)[20:02:56] <helf> has everyone seen mibbit.com?[20:03:04] <helf> im on it now. its great. web based irc client that works realyl well[20:03:13] <DeadYak> pass :)[20:03:21] <helf> has the gayest smilies, though...[20:03:42] <helf> hey yak :)[20:03:48] <DeadYak> hiya[20:03:58] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[20:05:01] *** rcjsuen_ has quit IRC[20:05:23] <JonathanThompson> Hey DeadYak, I had an absolutely bizarre bit of a dream this morning I can't put a logical reason to have ;)[20:05:28] <Schmedly3D> Ooh neat, is the login window part of the image yet?[20:05:46] <JonathanThompson> Imagine sitting in a church service and watching a small dog draw 3 flowers on the carpet ;)[20:06:14] <JonathanThompson> (They looked more or less daisy-like, done in a black outline form)[20:08:11] <DeadYak> JonathanThompson: ha[20:08:23] <DeadYak> JonathanThompson: what bits of your dreams *do* have logical reasons? :P[20:08:36] <JonathanThompson> ...[20:08:55] <DeadYak> need I mention things like beds with headlights? :P[20:09:08] <JonathanThompson> Or their engines not starting? :)[20:09:15] <DeadYak> that too :P[20:09:16] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[20:09:25] * DeadYak hides the sheep[20:09:29] <JonathanThompson> Speaking of lacking logic, here's DaaT :D[20:09:42] *** genkie has joined #haiku[20:09:59] * DaaT nods[20:10:14] * DaaT slaps DeadYak and forces him to reveal the sheep location[20:10:54] <JonathanThompson> It's wasted effort, DaaT: you can't pull the wool over DeadYak's eyes, though I bet you would be happy if he instead pulled it over yours ;)[20:11:42] <DaaT> well, it's not like we haven't shared a bed[20:12:06] * JonathanThompson suspects DaaT's rolled in the clover of his sheep-lovers before[20:12:26] <DaaT> don't be jealous[20:12:41] <JonathanThompson> For all you do, this sheep's for you, DaaT! :D[20:13:02] <JonathanThompson> (I'm not jealous: I've got my own solutions to getting affection)[20:13:33] <JonathanThompson> Besides, you wouldn't like this area all that much: not much of a sheep selection ;)[20:13:46] <JonathanThompson> If you're into blackberry bushes, though, you'd be berry happy.[20:13:50] <DaaT> and you have the dogs all for yourself? :P[20:14:06] <DaaT> or is it the chicken?[20:14:16] <JonathanThompson> That's a ruff question to answer, DaaT ;)[20:14:29] <DaaT> :P[20:15:01] * DaaT pets DeadYak[20:15:11] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[20:15:13] * DeadYak meeps[20:15:16] * JonathanThompson suspects DaaT is involved in heavy petting[20:15:27] <JonathanThompson> Stop lifting those heavy pets![20:16:00] <DaaT> you're just envious noone pets you![20:16:10] * JonathanThompson laughs at the memory of his oldest brother while driving in Colorado in his old Nissan Sentra many years ago being pulled over for suspicion of cattle rustling[20:16:27] <DaaT> ah, so it runs in the family[20:16:34] <DaaT> and you talk of me![20:16:40] <JonathanThompson> Nah, I've never been pulled over for anything like that ;)[20:17:01] <DaaT> you're just better at sneaking under the radar[20:17:02] <JonathanThompson> The weird thing is: apparently someone managed to carry off a cow in such a small car.[20:17:20] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[20:17:28] * DaaT pictures DeadYak stealing a cow in the Smart[20:17:52] *** _maniac_ has joined #haiku[20:18:06] <JonathanThompson> This is the car my brother later confided in me he had to drive with the front seat reclined so he could get in (he's taller than I am).[20:18:32] <cps1966> india smartcar 2500 usa smartcar 10000 ??[20:18:33] <DaaT> and how tall are you?[20:18:46] <JonathanThompson> A modest 6 feet tall.[20:18:54] <JonathanThompson> (Fairly long torso, though)[20:19:26] <cps1966> short legs??[20:19:40] <JonathanThompson> No, about average to maybe a little long.[20:19:50] <JonathanThompson> About a 32" inseam.[20:19:53] <cps1966> what your inseam[20:19:55] <_maniac_> Hello[20:20:05] <geist> he's been falling into a black hole, tidal forces are stretching him[20:20:08] <_maniac_> Does it possible for haiku to have wacom drivers?[20:20:17] <JonathanThompson> It's possible, but does it now?[20:20:23] <JonathanThompson> That, I can't answer off the top of my head ;)[20:20:41] <JonathanThompson> Yeah, geist, that state of existence really sucks ;)[20:21:02] * JonathanThompson sings, "Living on the edge"[20:21:03] <duaneb> I know that something looks for a wacom usb device :P[20:21:18] <_maniac_> I'm dreaming of haiku on my tablet pc :3[20:21:45] <JonathanThompson> I'm dreaming of dogs drawing flowers on the church carpet! :)[20:22:00] <JonathanThompson> (Well, that's one of the things I dreamed about this morning)[20:22:01] <xcasex> i'm dreaming of the house i managed to not close on :([20:22:02] <duaneb> YAY![20:22:06] <duaneb> go korli :)[20:22:12] <DaaT> <ali g> i'm dreaming, of a little white girl, and a little black girl.. playing with each other </ali g>[20:22:25] <JonathanThompson> Do they have spots, DaaT?[20:22:36] <DaaT> ask ali g[20:22:46] <JonathanThompson> Or just really long, kinky, oily hair? :D[20:22:54] <JonathanThompson> (All that lanolin)[20:22:58] *** the_webers_inc has joined #haiku[20:23:18] <duaneb> mmap support![20:23:32] * JonathanThompson awaits mbop support[20:23:47] <DaaT> hmbop?[20:23:50] <DaaT> hanson support?[20:23:54] <JonathanThompson> Exactly![20:23:56] <DaaT> Hanku[20:24:01] <JonathanThompson> Support to play the song perfectly![20:24:02] <DaaT> the hanson distro[20:24:28] * JonathanThompson awaits the first rock song written entirely as a series of Haikus[20:24:58] <andreasf> duaneb: did I miss something?[20:26:01] <duaneb> andreasf: ...[20:26:18] <duaneb> andreasf: are you korli? or bonefish? or just interested in mmap? :P[20:26:40] <andreasf> the latter - didn't notice any mmap commit this we[20:26:47] <duaneb> http://dev.haiku-os.org/changeset/24964[20:27:27] <_maniac_> One more question, where I can find AltWorkspaces - alternative utility for workspaces?[20:29:04] <andreasf> ah that one, yes, that made git compile[20:29:50] <CIA-52> laplace * r25088 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/bootman/LegacyBootDrive.cpp: When writing the MBR, don't overwrite disk signature and the reserved word.[20:29:51] <andreasf> wait did you need it for?[20:30:10] <duaneb> A couple things[20:30:13] <Technix> wth??? http://v-bobok.livejournal.com/#entry_216857[20:30:35] <duaneb> andreasf: a text editor (qemacs) and a project of my own.[20:30:53] <Technix> its awesome to be translated into other languages without even knowing it.. cool[20:31:21] *** vbmithr has joined #haiku[20:33:34] <Technix> http://haikunews.org/files/AltWorkspaces-v0.3b.zip <-- there ya go, _maniac_[20:34:58] *** _maniac_ has quit IRC[20:36:56] <xcasex> Technix: nobody has written a rss reader yet eh? :D[20:37:07] <duaneb> xcasex: I have[20:37:11] <duaneb> :P[20:37:16] <duaneb> as a test for my python por[20:37:19] <duaneb> port*[20:37:32] <duaneb> and I'm using it to find bugs in Bethon[20:40:02] *** nutela has joined #haiku[20:40:26] <ThomHolwerda> waaaait just a second........[20:40:38] <ddew|bofh> ?[20:40:45] <ThomHolwerda> i THINK i finally know why my x86 wont boot beosmax[20:40:51] <ddew|bofh> yeah?[20:40:51] <duaneb> EUREKA![20:40:52] <ThomHolwerda> the dics ive been using[20:40:58] <ThomHolwerda> i created that one[20:41:01] <ThomHolwerda> for my other machine[20:41:04] <ThomHolwerda> which is intel.[20:41:08] <ThomHolwerda> this one's AMD.[20:41:17] <ddew|bofh> *doh*[20:41:18] *** dchis has joined #haiku[20:41:27] <nutela> Hi all, what does Warning: invalid jam cache mean?[20:41:35] <ThomHolwerda> it just dawned on me :/[20:41:43] <ThomHolwerda> i feel very silly right now :([20:42:05] <ddew|bofh> i did the very same thing a couple of months back when i retired my athlon and replaced it with a p4[20:42:12] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[20:42:48] *** dchis has quit IRC[20:42:51] <ThomHolwerda> ddew|bofh: ah, so you know how i feel[20:42:58] * JonathanThompson notes ThomHolwerda really should be rather accustomed to feeling very silly, and notes he should expect it long-term[20:43:01] <CIA-52> laplace * r25089 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/bootman/ (BootLoader.h bootman.S):[20:43:01] <CIA-52> Highlight selected menu item with > ... <.[20:43:01] <CIA-52> Moved global variables on the stack.[20:43:01] <CIA-52> Hide cursor while menu is displayed.[20:43:01] <CIA-52> Print error message at correct location.[20:43:02] <CIA-52> Reboot on error.[20:43:04] <CIA-52> Display "Loading <name>".[20:43:06] <ThomHolwerda> how's the minix article working out? :)[20:43:13] <ThomHolwerda> ddew|bofh: ^[20:43:29] * ThomHolwerda pokes JonathanThompson with a ten foot pole[20:43:30] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[20:43:36] <nutela> rebooting time[20:43:42] <ddew|bofh> going fine, i've written the install and general usage part. now i'm working on the design bit[20:43:43] <nutela> bbiaf[20:43:44] *** nutela has quit IRC[20:43:45] * JonathanThompson hopes the ten foot pole could find a car that fits[20:43:46] *** dchis has joined #haiku[20:43:59] <ThomHolwerda> ddew|bofh: cool :)[20:44:28] <ddew|bofh> i'm totally in love with the microkernel concept[20:44:38] <JonathanThompson> What about the reality?[20:44:49] <ThomHolwerda> ddew|bofh: you're talkign to the right guy here, i wrote a few articles on this one[20:45:02] <ThomHolwerda> even an 10/10 paper.[20:45:07] *** dos4gw has joined #haiku[20:45:10] <ddew|bofh> JonathanThompson: the reality is that no retail os to my knowledge has implemented it[20:45:27] <JonathanThompson> QNX is the closest I'm aware of.[20:45:30] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[20:45:31] *** dos4gw is now known as dr_Evil[20:45:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_Evil[20:45:38] <xcasex> duaneb: screenshot?[20:45:52] <MindChild> A pure microkernel isn't so great from my own experience. When I started writing my first kernel, not having any concept of a file system in the kernel just made things harder than they needed to be.[20:46:16] <MindChild> While I agree with the seperation in general, it just doesn't make sense in every case[20:46:21] <ThomHolwerda> my OCD likes microkernels[20:47:04] <duaneb> xcasex: I'm not at my dev machine, but think about this:[20:47:15] <ddew|bofh> gah, beos has started hating my p4 again :([20:47:22] <duaneb> a list of articles up top, and down below there's the pure article text[20:47:25] <duaneb> not much to show :P[20:47:38] <ddew|bofh> when it's supposed to reboot it hangs instead and changes the cpu shutdown temperature to 0C[20:47:39] <xcasex> sounds like my liferea mockups from a few years back :o[20:47:56] <xcasex> ThomHolwerda: my OCD prefers shit to not get in my way :p[20:48:07] * JonathanThompson isn't OCD[20:48:21] <JonathanThompson> If I were, I'd be going bonkers in my own apartment right now ;)[20:48:31] <geist> yeah, i found they work pretty nicely for embedded stuff[20:48:35] <xcasex> my fiancee has a OCD[20:48:36] <xcasex> ;_;[20:48:46] <geist> but it can get pretty hairy with big systems[20:48:55] <xcasex> geist: yeah linux aint doing it on the freerunner :p[20:49:10] <xcasex> hell they cant even get the apm working on the bloody device after 8 mo of dev time[20:49:33] <Technix> xcasex: when you publish it, give me a heads up, I want to announce it on hn[20:49:50] <xcasex> Technix: O_o[20:49:51] <geist> power management is a bitch[20:50:00] <Technix> your rss reader.[20:50:01] <Technix> :P[20:50:02] <xcasex> geist: yes but they employed four kernel devs to work on it :)[20:50:09] <xcasex> Technix: if i finish my todo list first :p[20:50:19] <xcasex> then there's my wet dream of a quicksilver workalike :p[20:50:22] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps it'd already be done if they only employed one instead, xcasex ;)[20:50:23] * Technix stops talking to xcasex so that thou can concentrate[20:50:24] <Technix> :)[20:50:29] <xcasex> JonathanThompson: haha ha ha[20:50:34] <xcasex> Technix: tssk.[20:50:53] <xcasex> Technix: i cant create anything yet. i have 9h of computer time / week.[20:51:01] <xcasex> the rest is family time.[20:51:20] <xcasex> brb[20:51:29] <ddew|bofh> only 9h? that's shorter than i normally spend on one sitting :)[20:51:35] <ddew|bofh> poor you[20:51:54] <JonathanThompson> Well, he hasn't got as open of a schedule as you do.... then again, most don't...[20:52:24] <ddew|bofh> true, i'm lucky to be able to spend 18h/day in front of a computer[20:52:56] *** nutela has joined #haiku[20:53:11] <JonathanThompson> Frankly, I'm surprised that Haiku is as far along as it is, because most people can't afford to work full-time on it, and have Real Life get in the way.[20:53:38] <ddew|bofh> yeah, it's impressive what they've accomplished so far[20:54:06] <JonathanThompson> And often the most productive sessions are the many hour long ones where you don't have to ramp up and then suddenly leave to do something else when your mind is in the right place.[20:54:09] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[20:54:45] <ddew|bofh> heh, wish i had those[20:54:48] * JonathanThompson notes Haiku needs more autistic developers without a time clock to punch[20:55:38] <ddew|bofh> it's not like autism helps necessarily[20:55:47] <JonathanThompson> No, not always.[20:56:54] <ddew|bofh> i wish i had that aspect. i get bored with stuff way too easily[20:58:16] <JonathanThompson> It is hard to focus when you're bored, agreed.[20:58:39] <JonathanThompson> How people do assembly line jobs day-in and day-out for years doing the same thing is beyond my comprehension.[20:59:16] <ddew|bofh> i think that's easy because i can just turn off my brain[20:59:44] <JonathanThompson> Due to lack of good coordination, I think a lot of those jobs would have me not being able to do that.[20:59:55] <JonathanThompson> At least, not without greatly increasing injury risk.[21:00:11] <ddew|bofh> i've worked with assembling electronics and i just switched my brain off an 8 hours i turned it back on and went home :)[21:00:17] *** nutela has quit IRC[21:00:20] <ddew|bofh> *for 8 hours[21:00:21] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps I'm thinking of different assembly work than you are...[21:00:22] <mmadia> JonathanThompson it could be a type of meditation.[21:00:36] <JonathanThompson> That's an interesting perspective, mmadia....[21:00:46] <JonathanThompson> A paid meditation that happens to get stuff made.[21:01:09] <mmadia> *meditation by indirect side-effect[21:01:12] <ddew|bofh> meditation is awesome, the best way ever to stress down[21:01:26] <ddew|bofh> err lower stress[21:01:35] <Technix> I find massage helps to lower stress[21:01:47] * JonathanThompson won't ask how and what Technix massages[21:02:09] <ddew|bofh> massage is probably the most stressful thing imaginable for me[21:02:11] <Technix> We better leave your skeletons out of it[21:02:20] *** DHowett has left #haiku[21:02:20] <JonathanThompson> I buried all mine ;)[21:02:27] <ddew|bofh> heh[21:02:38] <JonathanThompson> I'm not sure how well I'd do with typical massage with the creme crap.[21:02:45] <mmadia> JonathanThompson you should've buried them *before* letting them turn into skeletons ; )[21:03:28] <cps1966> yeah the magots left them pink[21:03:32] <JonathanThompson> Considering sensory issues, and that combined with the observation that once when I was in the presence of supposedly "odor-free" massage creme, it caused me horrible lung irritation and put me into a nasty asthma attack and had my eyelids turn dark purple in a couple of minutes[21:04:05] <ddew|bofh> ekk, that's gotta suck[21:04:19] <mmadia> not totally surprising, odor-free usually include chemicals / scents to mask the original scent.[21:04:20] *** thorn_ has joined #haiku[21:04:24] <JonathanThompson> And it wasn't even directly touching me...[21:04:40] <JonathanThompson> Yeah, that and I strongly suspect they had stuff in there to help it evaporate quicker.[21:05:11] <JonathanThompson> That's the sort of thing I need to watch out for when it comes to cleansers, soaps and perfume/cologne type things, ddew|bofh.[21:05:49] <ddew|bofh> total suckage, i just massages because intimacy/touch is revolting :)[21:05:59] <ddew|bofh> atleast i don't have problems with the mnassage oil[21:06:06] <ddew|bofh> *i just hate[21:06:14] <JonathanThompson> There are some people that seem to swim in it, and I can manage to smell or feel them, and that's about the time I get stuck in an elevator with these assholes I want to kill for their arrogance.[21:07:02] <ddew|bofh> heh[21:07:28] <JonathanThompson> My sisters in the past have gotten me various colognes as gifts, but because I can't usually smell them, or I have an unpleasant reaction to them if I can, not once have I ever voluntarily used them.[21:07:44] <JonathanThompson> I've noticed it's been many years since they've done that.[21:07:45] <ddew|bofh> like bus-drivers who feel that swimming around in perfume before work is a good idea[21:07:52] <ddew|bofh> i hate that[21:08:35] <geist> lets generalize this[21:08:38] <geist> Other People Suck[21:08:48] <ddew|bofh> i second that notion[21:09:08] <ddew|bofh> but slightly harsher. People Suck. period.[21:09:15] <geist> I dont[21:09:18] <geist> i rule[21:09:20] <JonathanThompson> I honestly think I'd rather have some other person have horrible BO that's entirely natural around me, because at least I'm not very likely to be able to sense it (due to lack of decent sense of smell) and even if I can, at least I'm not likely to have an asthma/allergy attack from it.[21:09:24] <geist> it's just other people that suck[21:09:47] <ddew|bofh> heh[21:09:48] <JonathanThompson> Unless, of course, that person also happens to be moldy ;)[21:10:04] * Technix wonders about ddew|bofh's statement "inimacy/touch is revolting"[21:10:10] <JonathanThompson> (I'm allergic to the mold that grows on plants, the mold that grows on animals, and a few other types of things that have been tested that I'm aware of)[21:10:17] <JonathanThompson> I don't.[21:10:25] <JonathanThompson> I need to be expecting it and wanting it.[21:10:26] *** luroh has quit IRC[21:10:36] <JonathanThompson> (Which isn't often)[21:10:43] <ddew|bofh> i hate it[21:10:48] *** _maniac_ has joined #haiku[21:10:49] <ddew|bofh> and i hate people[21:11:03] * ddew|bofh hates everything that's unpredictable[21:11:09] <JonathanThompson> In other words, he's a born natural bofh :D[21:11:22] <ddew|bofh> unpredictable/illogical :)[21:11:28] <ddew|bofh> i'd make a perfect vulcan :P[21:11:37] * JonathanThompson notes ddew|bofh must hate himself a lot :)[21:11:41] *** _maniac_ has quit IRC[21:11:51] <ddew|bofh> JonathanThompson: actually i do :)[21:12:16] <ddew|bofh> i'm far too human for my taste[21:12:19] <JonathanThompson> Because of those reasons, or other ones?[21:12:31] *** _maniac_ has joined #haiku[21:12:33] <ddew|bofh> those reasons, as a person i rock[21:12:43] * JonathanThompson nods head in a weird manner[21:12:56] <ddew|bofh> meaning that for a human i'm pretty awesome :P[21:13:08] *** nutela has joined #haiku[21:13:31] <Stargater> re[21:13:37] <ddew|bofh> wb[21:13:43] <Stargater> thx[21:14:31] *** dchis has quit IRC[21:14:52] <_maniac_> hello once again. can anyone recommend me a jabber or icq client?[21:15:01] <JonathanThompson> Under Haiku?[21:15:30] <_maniac_> 5.03 netserver[21:16:14] <JonathanThompson> I admit, I've not used any under BeOS/Haiku simply because I had no interest in it, so... best I can tell you is to look on bebits.com and read user comments when deciding.[21:16:47] <nutela> anyone want to play Metroid prime hunters with me, or mario kart? :-)[21:17:03] *** leszek has joined #haiku[21:17:15] <_maniac_> there were good icq client written by 3deyes, but I cant find link to it :( and jabber for beos crashing on connect. will try something other.\[21:17:20] <leszek> hi[21:18:06] *** EuanK has joined #haiku[21:18:28] <nutela> who has got a NDS ?[21:18:59] <JonathanThompson> Have you used Google and/or Yahoo with BeOS jabber icq and 3deyes to see if you get anything other than BeBits, _maniac_ ?[21:19:03] <ddew|bofh> a few million japanese schoolgirls :P[21:19:17] <nutela> and me[21:19:22] <_maniac_> JonathanThompson of course[21:19:29] <JonathanThompson> Well, I had to verify ;)[21:19:35] <mmadia> _maniac_ try searching beshare[21:20:16] <_maniac_> mmadia there i found jabber - all links on bebits were broken[21:21:17] *** duaneb is now known as duaneb|lunch[21:21:18] <JonathanThompson> Have you looked on Haikuware? IIRC they have whatever they have, hosted there itself.[21:21:40] <_maniac_> hm... thanks[21:22:40] <ddew|bofh> hmm, a guitar amp modeler/simulator would be awesome for haiku[21:22:45] <ddew|bofh> it being low latency and all[21:22:50] <nutela> yes count me in too[21:23:15] <nutela> we need some killer aps, even the nintendo ds has a Korg MS10 emulator![21:23:34] * nutela has bought elektro plankton as well[21:24:19] <ddew|bofh> an amp simulator is way more complicated than a synth emulator but it'd still be cool to have :)[21:24:27] <ddew|bofh> like a cortex plugin or something[21:25:00] <JonathanThompson> _maniac_: http://www.haikuware.com/view-details/internet-&-network/chat-&-irc/jabber-for-beos[21:25:21] <nutela> ddew|bofh know cyan?[21:25:34] <duaneb|lunch> why is dev.haiku-os.org so damned SLOW!?!?[21:26:00] <JonathanThompson> It had the misfortune of winning a popularity contest amongst geeks, duaneb|lunch :D[21:26:15] <stpere> duaneb : I think it involves some proxying[21:26:18] <ddew|bofh> nutela: nope[21:26:40] <nutela> he's making a midi sequencer, although I assume you're a guitarist[21:26:56] <nutela> must ask what the status is[21:27:05] *** burfi has joined #haiku[21:27:16] <nutela> gtg, was killed badly in metroid prim hunters online btw[21:27:17] *** nutela has quit IRC[21:27:19] <_maniac_> JonathanThompson thanks, but I have this version. and it crashes on connect[21:27:36] <JonathanThompson> Ah, well, there's a note in the notes to go to OSDrawer :)[21:27:51] <JonathanThompson> (Where the final/latest version is available)[21:29:25] <ThomHolwerda> wait what?[21:29:30] <ThomHolwerda> plankton?[21:30:23] *** nulluser has joined #haiku[21:30:45] <ddew|bofh> am i the only who thinks it's way fucked up for an ER to go on strike?[21:31:21] <ddew|bofh> "sorry, you'll have to die. we're taking a stand"[21:31:22] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[21:31:46] <JonathanThompson> Consider it "collateral damage" in a war between workers and management...[21:32:06] <ddew|bofh> idiots[21:32:11] <dr_Evil> ddew|bofh I'm with those on strike[21:32:20] *** _maniac_ has quit IRC[21:32:21] *** nulluser is now known as _maniac_[21:33:17] *** ablyss has joined #haiku[21:33:20] <ddew|bofh> dr_Evil: yeah, because medical emergencies means less tha salaries?[21:33:27] <ddew|bofh> *less than[21:35:09] <JonathanThompson> I don't know any details of the case you're looking at, so I have insufficient information to make a judgment on, ddew|bofh.[21:36:27] <JonathanThompson> Having a friend that's worked towards training as an EMT and knowing how dangerous things can get, it's something you really should love to do and be passionate about. But, if you can't make ends meet due to salary, it's expedient to demand more salary, or to find another job, and let the market decide.[21:36:28] <dr_Evil> ddew|bofh so how would you force them to work, by not giving them money they deserve?[21:37:53] <cps1966> dont see why ems techs shouldn't make enough money i got bill for transport 2 blocks 333 dollars[21:38:27] <ddew|bofh> we don't get billed here :)[21:38:38] <dr_Evil> the thing is, bills are paid to the hospital, not to individual workers[21:38:54] <JonathanThompson> By contrast, I know of a bunch of people near where I live that have this idea that in a capitalistic society where the market says what things are worth, that they deserve full medical benefits, full retirement pensions, etc. for a janitorial job that doesn't even require literacy and is about as safe of a job as you can get.[21:39:33] <stpere> question! Can I call DeleteText(...) from within InsertText(...) in TextView.cp?[21:39:38] <stpere> .cpp*[21:39:52] <JonathanThompson> Good question, stpere :)[21:39:58] <JonathanThompson> (I don't know the answer to that one)[21:39:59] <stpere> it seems to "work" but I'm not sure it's kasher[21:40:04] <JonathanThompson> kosher?[21:40:10] <stpere> ah yes[21:40:13] <stpere> kosher :)[21:40:17] <stpere> yay jebus[21:40:23] <ddew|bofh> the thing is that here in .se we have the government setting the various salaries for hospital workers so going on a strike won't accomplish much[21:40:42] <JonathanThompson> That's not the case here, and I don't know where you're talking about for this case, ddew|bofh.[21:40:57] <ddew|bofh> i'm talking about .se here[21:41:01] <JonathanThompson> But if enough of them went on strike, it'd accomplish something.[21:41:08] *** leszek has quit IRC[21:41:44] <ddew|bofh> it'd take a couple of years for any result though[21:41:55] *** _maniac_ has quit IRC[21:42:01] <JonathanThompson> Things have to start somewhere.[21:42:17] <aljen> re :)[21:42:29] <ddew|bofh> i just don't think closing down ERs is the best way to go[21:42:32] <JonathanThompson> Those people I'm talking about? They've been protesting regularly since at least 2000, AFAIK.[21:43:12] <JonathanThompson> The problem with their whine is that they are too incapable of understanding how the market works, and that their job is a rather low-end job they can find new blood to do for a short time without a problem.[21:44:02] <JonathanThompson> Again, it doesn't even require you to be literate in any language, or any significant training, and no meaningful danger or interaction with customers (they do it at night in a very secure office building).[21:44:07] *** procton_ has quit IRC[21:44:10] *** procton has joined #haiku[21:46:55] <ddew|bofh> can't blame them for trying though.[21:47:25] <JonathanThompson> If you were stuck with them outside your bedroom window and stuck with them intruding on your rights, you would.[21:47:42] <ddew|bofh> call the cops on them then[21:47:43] <ThomHolwerda> right let's try again by burning an actual *AMD* beosmax disc[21:47:47] <JonathanThompson> They were illegally loud (and likely still are, but I no longer live there) during their protests, and the cops do nothing.[21:47:52] <ThomHolwerda> god knows that might HELP on an AMD machine[21:48:06] * JonathanThompson slaps ThomHolwerda with a wet SCSI cable[21:48:19] <ThomHolwerda> JonathanThompson: those are heavy :([21:48:20] *** oco has quit IRC[21:48:31] <JonathanThompson> Being across the street, I couldn't drown them out with my apartment windows closed and my TV up full blast.[21:49:04] <ddew|bofh> i had a neighbour with her tv on full blast. annoying as hell[21:49:17] <ThomHolwerda> cute?[21:49:25] <ddew|bofh> she wouldn't turn it down until i threatened to call social security and have them take her children away[21:49:32] <JonathanThompson> That's the thing: I couldn't drown them out with mine up full-blast, windows closed, and they were *across the street*.[21:49:34] <ThomHolwerda> wow.[21:49:59] <duaneb|lunch> ok, you know how in haiku's about panel it states the revision?[21:50:12] <duaneb|lunch> how can I do that in my own code?[21:50:19] <JonathanThompson> Rush hour traffic 1.5 blocks away wasn't loud enough to keep them from being heard on the other side of that traffic of 5 lanes of traffic.[21:50:27] *** luroh has joined #haiku[21:50:35] <JonathanThompson> Revision of what in your case, duaneb|lunch?[21:50:37] *** oco has joined #haiku[21:51:09] <ddew|bofh> i'm lucky to live in a building from the 50s, you can't hear anything through these concrete walls[21:51:59] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[21:53:31] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[21:54:41] <dr_Evil> walls here are about 55 to 60 cm thick :)[21:55:04] <JonathanThompson> Made of stone, dr_Evil?[21:55:44] <dr_Evil> yes sure[21:58:10] *** dchis has joined #haiku[22:03:17] *** DHowett has quit IRC[22:05:06] <duaneb|lunch> JonathanThompson: of the software[22:05:13] <duaneb|lunch> of the repository, I guess[22:05:24] *** duaneb|lunch is now known as duaneb[22:05:30] <JonathanThompson> Ok, but *which* one are you interested in displaying in your code?[22:05:35] <JonathanThompson> It's all about context.[22:06:08] <duaneb> Ahh[22:06:33] <duaneb> I don't know; I'm just interested in differentiating between two binaries[22:06:50] <duaneb> so.. the repository.[22:06:55] <JonathanThompson> There's likely some sort of command line you can submit to the repository...[22:07:09] <JonathanThompson> In your build process, call that command, and place that value in some header file that's included.[22:07:13] <JonathanThompson> It's that simple.[22:07:20] <duaneb> yea, I suppose[22:07:28] <duaneb> Is that how haiku does it?[22:07:42] <JonathanThompson> I've not checked, but I'm willing to bet that's the case.[22:08:02] <JonathanThompson> How else can you be sure you'll get the correct information 100% of the time?[22:08:28] <duaneb> no idea[22:08:49] <duaneb> haiku gets it from uname...[22:09:29] <JonathanThompson> Well, I trust I've given you the proper direction to search in.[22:10:04] <JonathanThompson> If you can figure out a way to get the text of what the current repository revision it is that you're building, it's all connecting the dots from there.[22:10:25] <duaneb> you are correct[22:10:34] <duaneb> the revision is set when copying the kernel to the image[22:11:39] <JonathanThompson> So, you know what you need to do now?[22:14:12] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[22:14:22] <Kokito> howdy[22:14:40] * JonathanThompson welcomes the poop-stirrer into the channel[22:14:45] <JonathanThompson> Hi Kokito![22:14:55] <DaaT> hi Kokito[22:15:07] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[22:15:19] * JonathanThompson watches the sheep-stirrer welcome Kokito in[22:15:24] <Kokito> hi JonathanThompson & DaaT :)[22:15:33] <ThomHolwerda> ola Kokito[22:15:45] <Kokito> hola Thom_Holwerda :)[22:15:50] <ThomHolwerda> and im not cheering anymore for you DaaT, it's getting old :P[22:16:12] * JonathanThompson cheers for ThomHolwerda to cheer for DaaT just to be cheerful[22:16:15] * DaaT slaps Thom_Holwerda[22:16:20] *** rcjsuen__ has quit IRC[22:16:21] <DaaT> CHEER DAMNIT![22:16:45] *** burfi has left #haiku[22:16:50] * JonathanThompson cheers DAMNIT loud and clear[22:16:55] <DaaT> good[22:17:01] <ThomHolwerda> what follows is my decleration of independence[22:17:21] <DaaT> phew... at least it's not a declaration of independence[22:17:24] <DaaT> :P[22:17:49] <Kokito> Thom_Holwerda, who or what are you declaring independence from?[22:17:58] <JonathanThompson> Sanity ;)[22:17:59] <ThomHolwerda> Kokito: from DaaT[22:18:01] <DaaT> from me[22:18:04] <DaaT> the bastard[22:18:15] <Kokito> ah![22:18:18] <DaaT> JonathanThompson, so he's joining you?[22:18:20] * JonathanThompson notes DaaT is now a bastard orphan[22:18:22] * Kokito is totally confused...[22:18:34] <JonathanThompson> That means you fit right in around here today, Kokito :P[22:18:37] <ThomHolwerda> a portugese ruling a dutchman? that goes against the laws of physics.[22:18:48] <Kokito> LOL[22:19:02] *** dr_Evil is now known as marcus_o[22:19:08] <DaaT> portugUese.. *slap*[22:19:33] * JonathanThompson spells it "porta-geese" just to be fowl[22:19:45] <DaaT> Thom_Holwerda, at least we don't take land from the sea. We did it the proper christian way, from the muslims[22:19:46] <DaaT> :P[22:20:08] * DaaT doesn't need for JonathanThompson to do that to know he's foul. The smell's more than enough[22:20:12] * DaaT hides[22:20:14] <ThomHolwerda> isnt portuga some sort of subdivision of spain[22:20:17] <JonathanThompson> But, where did *they* get it from originally, DaaT? And at what price? :)[22:20:24] <ThomHolwerda> +l[22:20:41] <DaaT> JonathanThompson, good question[22:20:52] <DaaT> the romans i think[22:21:09] <JonathanThompson> And a few of them were... christian...[22:21:19] <DaaT> they were eaten by lions[22:21:26] <JonathanThompson> Not all of them, DaaT.[22:21:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Kokito[22:21:32] <ThomHolwerda> iron.... like a lion.... in zion...[22:21:35] *** _Lucretia_ has quit IRC[22:21:49] * DaaT moves Thom_Holwerda into the padded room[22:21:58] <Kokito> DaaT, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFMMlap9-YM[22:22:03] <ThomHolwerda> pot, kettle...[22:22:08] <DaaT> Kokito, opening[22:22:19] <DaaT> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh[22:22:20] <DaaT> :)[22:22:25] * JonathanThompson wonders what opening looks like, if opening looks like Kokito[22:22:42] <Kokito> I like Dulce Pontes very much[22:22:45] <marcus_o> behave[22:22:54] <DaaT> she's good, yes[22:22:57] <JonathanThompson> In which manner, marcus_o? :)[22:23:27] <Kokito> ok, lunch[22:23:28] <Kokito> bbl[22:24:09] *** aroman has quit IRC[22:25:27] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[22:29:33] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[22:29:54] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[22:30:07] *** Monni has joined #Haiku[22:33:36] *** marcus_o is now known as dr_Evil[22:33:39] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[22:33:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[22:38:47] *** _Lucretia_ has joined #haiku[22:40:22] * DaaT borks mmu_man[22:41:33] <mmu_man> plop[22:48:25] <johndrinkwater> double plop[22:51:23] <dr_Evil> trippleploppp[22:52:31] <[Katisu]> fizz[22:54:04] <[Katisu]> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxYRhnBzp8U[22:54:53] *** Thom_Holwerda has quit IRC[22:57:08] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:57:24] *** NeoOokami has joined #haiku[22:59:33] <ThomHolwerda> well that's odd[23:00:54] *** katisu has joined #haiku[23:03:41] *** luroh has quit IRC[23:08:16] <mmadia> hrmm,, can in beos, can mkdos create a mountable fat32 image similar to mkbfs ?[23:08:59] *** Thom_Holwerda has joined #haiku[23:11:10] <Stargater> Kokito and have you played?[23:14:07] <geist> PLOP PLOP FIZZ FIZZ DIE[23:14:59] *** MauriceK has quit IRC[23:17:27] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[23:19:06] *** [Katisu] has joined #haiku[23:20:09] <CIA-52> axeld * r25090 /haiku/trunk/headers/posix/pthread.h:[23:20:09] <CIA-52> * Replaced destructor with destructorFunc to please python - it's not a reserved[23:20:09] <CIA-52> keyword, so this stupid python should really be fixed instead.[23:20:09] <CIA-52> * Enforced the 80 column limit.[23:22:18] <CIA-52> axeld * r25091 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/app/Application.cpp:[23:22:18] <CIA-52> Reverted r25084, and fixed bug #1762 again as suggested by Korli on the mailing[23:22:18] <CIA-52> list.[23:22:37] *** genkie has quit IRC[23:24:23] *** katisu has quit IRC[23:26:16] *** daste has joined #haiku[23:28:06] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[23:29:12] *** Odium has quit IRC[23:30:12] *** Stargater has quit IRC[23:30:13] *** ThomHolwerda has quit IRC[23:34:00] *** stargater has joined #haiku[23:34:03] <stargater> re[23:35:09] <Wiss> hi, I tried to install haiku with qemu on mac os x. But I've got a problem : when I type "/usr/local/bin/qemu -hda myImage_name.img -boot c -m 128 -cirrus-vga -user-net", I have an error "/usr/local/bin/qemu: invalid option -- '-cirrus-vga' ", and when I retype the command without -cirrus-vga, I've got a long error "2008-04-20 17:30:46.226 qemu[507:10b] Warning once: This application, or a library it uses, is using NSQuickDrawView, whic[23:35:09] <Wiss> h has been deprecated. Apps should cease use of QuickDraw and move to Quartz.[23:35:09] <Wiss> QEMU 0.5.5 monitor - type 'help' for more information " . Is someone could help me ? In waiting, I'll search what to install which permit to launch the command with -cirrus-vga ... Thanks for all[23:35:35] <andreasf> ignore the warning[23:35:55] <Wiss> How to ignore the warning ?[23:36:05] <andreasf> QEMU 0.5.5 is *really* old...[23:36:13] <andreasf> ignore=disregard[23:36:30] <Wiss> lol ok... I didn't found other image of QEMU for mac os x :/[23:36:35] <andreasf> try Q - http://kju-app.org[23:36:38] <andreasf> :-)[23:37:02] <vbmithr> Wiss: test haiku on real hardware ;)[23:37:38] *** EuanK has left #haiku[23:37:54] <Wiss> andreasf : I have 404 errors on this website when I tried to download[23:38:02] *** wildur has quit IRC[23:38:03] <vbmithr> I did try and I don't regret it, it's completely different feeling that on an emulator[23:38:05] <Wiss> vbmithr : Yes, I have to do that xD[23:38:24] <andreasf> haven't tried the new site myself yet[23:38:36] <Wiss> ok[23:39:20] <andreasf> Wiss: the download link works for me[23:40:06] <Wiss> yes, I find "Download latest nightly", which works ... sorry for the disturbance :)[23:40:31] <mmu_man> doesn't qemu build on OSX ?[23:40:44] <andreasf> sometimes ;-)[23:41:06] <andreasf> gcc3 vs. gcc4 ABI issues[23:41:42] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[23:42:15] *** dr_Evil has quit IRC[23:42:16] <andreasf> *sometimes on ppc; on Intel not without patches[23:42:36] <mmu_man> yeah qemu uses nasty stuff[23:42:52] <urnenfeld> andreasf: where in mannheim are you living ?[23:42:54] <andreasf> yeah, tried to compile it on Haiku! ;-)[23:43:09] <andreasf> hey, keep that off IRC! ;-)[23:43:17] <andreasf> urnenfeld: ^[23:44:17] <DaaT> hey urnenfeld[23:44:18] <urnenfeld> andreasf: that means north? Sandhofen ?[23:44:26] <urnenfeld> ola DaaT :)[23:44:37] <DaaT> how are doing? :)[23:44:59] <andreasf> urnenfeld: no, it doesn't mean anything :) I'll tell you[23:45:00] <urnenfeld> preparing to sleep :D[23:45:16] <DaaT> :)[23:46:19] <mmu_man> Wiss you can try using vnc, but I'm not sure this version of qemu has that[23:47:26] <Wiss> I have download qemu which have an application launcher[23:47:40] <Wiss> Now I try to launch haiku with this xD[23:50:29] <Wiss> I suppose the qemu version doesn't support the haiku.img file :/[23:50:55] <andreasf> hm?[23:51:05] <Wiss> I have the 0.9.1 version of qemu[23:51:23] <aljen> Wiss: you could try use parallels desktop for mac, http://www.parallels.com/en/products/desktop/ its commercial but great :)[23:51:23] <andreasf> are you having problems selecting the image file?[23:51:24] *** Euver has joined #haiku[23:51:28] <Wiss> and my error is : "Could not open disk image .../haiku-r20188.qcow.img[23:51:32] <Wiss> "[23:51:36] <Wiss> yes[23:51:50] <andreasf> and is your file called that way?[23:52:01] <Wiss> I'll check now[23:52:25] <Wiss> yes[23:53:37] <andreasf> were do you have the image from? is it qcow, qcow2 or raw?[23:53:53] <Wiss> qcow[23:54:28] <andreasf> then I think it shouldn't be called .img[23:56:24] <Wiss> my image is from http://www.oszoo.org/wiki/index.php/Haiku-r20188.qcow.img.zip[23:56:51] <andreasf> hm[23:57:06] <mmu_man> oaw, that's old[23:57:11] <geist> yeah[23:57:12] <Wiss> xD[23:57:17] <mmu_man> didn't know we had one on oszoo yet[23:57:17] <geist> another old ass image floating around[23:57:54] *** aroman has joined #haiku[23:58:12] <andreasf> anyway, remove the .img extension[23:58:23] <Wiss> ok[23:58:24] <andreasf> .img = raw, for Q