April 12, 2008 
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April 12, 2008 [00:01:53] *** EuanK has left #haiku[00:03:35] <CIA-50> mmlr * r24921 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/usb/BeOSCompatibility.h:[00:03:36] <CIA-50> Redefine B_KERNEL_{READ|WRITE}_AREA to 0 for BeOS compatibility and not to[00:03:36] <CIA-50> B_{READ|WRITE}_AREA. Otherwise we'd allow any user process to shredder our[00:03:36] <CIA-50> data as Axel put it so nicely ;-) Thanks for the clarification.[00:06:07] *** TuneTracker has quit IRC[00:08:52] *** oco has quit IRC[00:09:44] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[00:09:54] *** zlominus__ has joined #haiku[00:10:56] *** zlominus_ has quit IRC[00:16:54] *** emitrax has left #haiku[00:17:23] *** wildur has quit IRC[00:22:17] *** oco has joined #haiku[00:26:57] *** helf has joined #haiku[00:27:42] *** helf__ has quit IRC[00:49:23] *** slaad has joined #haiku[00:52:01] *** helf_ has joined #haiku[00:54:03] *** xcasex has quit IRC[00:54:18] <mmadia> ! _fleh[00:54:27] *** duaneb has joined #haiku[00:55:25] <duaneb> can I copy whole directories with a jam action?[00:56:50] *** bombuzal has quit IRC[00:57:15] *** zlominus__ is now known as zlominus[01:00:59] *** nibble has quit IRC[01:06:29] *** clsk_ has quit IRC[01:07:32] *** MauriceK has joined #haiku[01:07:49] *** helf has quit IRC[01:07:59] <MauriceK> hey[01:09:16] <slaad> MauriceK! Long time :)[01:10:19] <MauriceK> slaad: true[01:10:23] <MauriceK> and last time I was sober ;)[01:11:09] <slaad> Hehe.[01:11:21] <slaad> Quick, everyone get all the secrets out of MauriceK whilst he's drunk![01:11:51] *** dchis has joined #haiku[01:12:26] <MauriceK> haha[01:12:46] <MauriceK> think i told everything already to my working colleagues... waiting for the revenge on monday :P[01:13:22] <slaad> Hehe.[01:13:25] <slaad> Work related party?[01:14:47] <MauriceK> well it's called Lonningspils (just think of a / though the o)[01:15:02] <MauriceK> it's a norwegian tradition to go out drinking each time you get salaries[01:15:26] <slaad> When you get a salary upgrade?[01:15:27] <MauriceK> which reminds me of what one guy said, when he started: "So, this is something.... special... if you get paid????"[01:15:42] <slaad> Hehe[01:15:47] <MauriceK> slaad: no, each month, just for the fun of it :P[01:15:52] <slaad> Haha, awesome :)[01:16:15] <slaad> I'd like to visit Scandenavia... was planning to on my trip to Europe next month, but not enough time.[01:16:21] <MauriceK> it is, though we need to expand more... basically I knew most of the stories already :P[01:16:35] <MauriceK> slaad: when you're in Berlin at one point, tell me[01:16:51] <slaad> At this stage I'm in Frankfurt and then Leipzig.[01:17:03] <slaad> I've got about 4 days to kill. Thinking of doing either Vienna or Prague.[01:17:14] <pyCube> mmm.. prague[01:17:21] <MauriceK> oh interesting :) I just skipped Frankfurt and preferred London next week to get to Vancouver :)[01:17:22] <slaad> I did Berlin last year... although, didn't get to see much due to the girlfriend being very sick.[01:17:29] <MauriceK> hm.... prague[01:17:42] <pyCube> i have spent a lot of time in/near prague[01:17:42] <MauriceK> I'll be there on beginning of May to celebrate the release of our project :)[01:17:43] <slaad> I'm not really looking at Frankfurt. Just flying into / out of there to get to Leipzig.[01:17:52] <MauriceK> ah ok[01:17:53] <pyCube> back in the mid-90's[01:18:02] <slaad> Where, Prague, MauriceK?[01:18:13] <MauriceK> slaad: sorry?[01:18:24] <MauriceK> the celebration? That is in prague, yes[01:18:50] <slaad> I've heard nice things about it, pyCube. The language scares me a little... German I'm comfortable enough to go "Hey, you, I'm a silly tourist. Speak the English to me!". And well, English is a Germanic language. Czech is scary.[01:18:56] <slaad> What dates?[01:19:18] <MauriceK> slaad: hasn't been decided on yet, but either first or second weekend of may[01:19:28] <pyCube> czech isnt any more scary than any other slavic lang. :-p[01:19:30] <MauriceK> we still need to work, you know :P[01:19:38] <slaad> All Slavic scares me then, pyCube :P[01:19:48] <MauriceK> pyCube: so true... if you know one, you atleast understand the others[01:19:51] <ozy`> Russian isn't bad[01:20:03] <aljen> Polish too[01:20:06] <ozy`> (but then, I learned Greek previously)[01:20:23] * MauriceK has a polish ex-girlfriend and knows about slavics and their temperament :)[01:20:29] * slaad grins[01:20:36] <pyCube> slaad: the phrases to remember: mluvite anglicky? and tmave pivo![01:20:45] <slaad> Which mean?[01:20:57] <slaad> Also, I have no idea about pronunciation of Slavic languages.[01:20:59] <aljen> MauriceK: yeah, they have a big temperament :)[01:21:06] <pyCube> you know english? and dark beer![01:21:11] <ozy`> whaaaat? initial /tm/ clusters? :D[01:21:17] * slaad should have guessed the English one.[01:21:24] <slaad> I don't drink beer, pyCube. Spirits for me, kthxbai.[01:22:03] <pyCube> but... but... some of the best beers ever come from bohemia[01:22:23] <pyCube> i dont drink much beer.. 'cept when i am in czech rep[01:22:35] <pyCube> at which point i become a full on drunk[01:22:57] <pyCube> czech beer and hash.. ahh, the fuzzy memories[01:23:33] <aljen> pyCube: czech beer ? try polish, light years better :)[01:23:39] <aljen> more % ;P[01:23:52] <pyCube> i lived in poland for a while as well[01:24:11] <slaad> I've heard that, pyCube. But... vodka![01:24:12] <aljen> hehe[01:24:18] <aljen> pyCube: and how you remember poland? ;P[01:24:38] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[01:25:19] <pyCube> aljen: i liked it. met some extremely kind people. but warsaw scares me[01:25:40] <aljen> me too hehe i live in szczecin, west part, near german border[01:26:00] <aljen> mutch nicer then warsaw :)[01:26:04] <stpere> evening[01:26:14] <aljen> hey stpere[01:30:30] <stargater> aljen: what did you next for haiku ?[01:30:50] <aljen> stargater: working on theming[01:31:20] <stargater> theming ? why any shots ?[01:32:25] <aljen> stargater: http://hitomi.pl/haiku/[01:32:36] <aljen> but now i take diffrent approach on that[01:32:51] <MauriceK> aljen: wow, szczecin... a working colleague lives there and comes over to Berlin every second week[01:33:20] <aljen> MauriceK: oo, nice :)[01:33:36] <aljen> hm my working colleague works at berling too at weekends hmm[01:33:38] <MauriceK> he invited me now multiple times to visit it[01:33:50] <MauriceK> maybe I should reconsider :)[01:34:02] <aljen> hehe yeah, come to szczecin and we go to beer :)[01:34:12] <pyCube> ah.. baltic city[01:34:45] <MauriceK> aljen: sounds promising :)[01:34:51] <aljen> hehe :)[01:34:57] <stargater> oh nice , thmening widgeths[01:36:48] <aljen> stargater: now im working on full vector ui, based on fileformat similar to haiku vector icons to define parts of controls how they look and mmu_man theming code to define other stuff :)[01:37:15] <stargater> wow , my full respect[01:37:38] <pyCube> ..only part of mine[01:37:45] <pyCube> :-p[01:37:54] <aljen> hehe, anyway thanks ;P[01:38:58] <MauriceK> aljen: sounds interesting. How do you want to achieve this? I mean, will you add code to ::Draw() of each control?[01:41:01] <aljen> MauriceK: yes, my goal is to have default themes in {name}_theme.rdef, added to libbe and in InterfaceDefs get_ui_settings (like dano) to get which theme is default (or load theme from file) and add methods sth like get_control_image(enum whichControl) and draw that inside ::Draw in each control[01:41:19] <aljen> :)[01:41:54] <MauriceK> aljen: if you could get them from file that's perfect[01:42:02] <aljen> now im almost finished refactoring libvector as a haiku kit and start working on theming itself :)[01:42:25] <MauriceK> I had some talks about it already, and we were unsure how to effectively use it[01:42:31] <MauriceK> problem is memory managment.[01:42:37] <aljen> bleh s/libvector/libicon :)[01:42:57] <MauriceK> of course you can instantiate a "item-painter" for each item, but that is quite heavy[01:43:00] <aljen> MauriceK: gtk/qt/even windows is using that approach and its fast :)[01:43:22] <aljen> but windows and qt have themes in shared libs[01:43:45] <MauriceK> aljen: I'm working for Trolltech, so I at least know the Qt part ;)[01:43:53] <aljen> ah[01:43:57] <aljen> MauriceK: my respect :)[01:44:02] <aljen> Qt is great lib :)[01:44:12] <MauriceK> aljen: happens by accident ;)[01:44:16] <aljen> hehe[01:44:18] *** ToxicSoul has joined #haiku[01:44:28] <pyCube> i spend most of my day using qt4[01:44:33] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[01:44:50] <MauriceK> wow, didn't expect so much response now...[01:45:00] * MauriceK puts on Marketing hat and covers his drunkeness :D[01:45:08] <aljen> hehe :D[01:45:29] <pyCube> i cant wait for qt4.4[01:45:54] <aljen> MauriceK: any chances to haiku native qt port ? :)[01:46:09] <MauriceK> aljen: I don't want to comment :P[01:46:21] <MauriceK> no seriously, I think I started 4 times so far[01:46:28] <aljen> hehe[01:46:44] <MauriceK> now with the latest pthread additions QtCore compiles without any issue at all[01:46:56] <MauriceK> that gives you QtXml and probably most of QtNetwork[01:47:06] <aljen> nice :)[01:47:19] <MauriceK> which then again means QtXmlPatterns and QtSql[01:47:26] <MauriceK> as always QtGui is the issue[01:47:34] <MauriceK> meaning painting engine and native widget support[01:48:22] <aljen> we tryied to port qt to symbian in my company as rnd project but dont know how its ended, i think its abandoned now ;/[01:48:35] <MauriceK> I've seen the project on OSdrawer or whereever, but it seems like they want to use gcc2[01:49:02] <MauriceK> symbian? Interesting[01:49:07] <stargater> i wish haiku will switch to gcc4[01:49:54] <MauriceK> +1[01:49:59] <stargater> why symbian ? qtopia[01:50:09] <aljen> nope, qt[01:50:21] <aljen> i think[01:50:53] <stargater> why port qt to symbian = switch from symbian to qtopia[01:50:55] <aljen> stargater: because we're developing apps for s60/brew/wm/linux ;P[01:50:55] <MauriceK> http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/04/04/marble-running-on-windows-ce/ latest blog entry about the project I am in[01:51:09] <MauriceK> stargater: it's not always that easy[01:51:21] <MauriceK> companies decide on a platform and it is hard to switch[01:51:29] <aljen> true[01:51:38] <MauriceK> Qt always helps you to be more independent from the platform, but this is still a hard step[01:51:40] <stargater> s60 ?[01:51:48] <MauriceK> that's why we do Windows CE/Mobile support[01:51:51] <aljen> Symbian Series60[01:51:58] <stargater> ah ok[01:52:03] <MauriceK> stargater: basicallly every expensive nokia phone :P[01:52:13] <stargater> and brew?[01:52:14] <aljen> MauriceK: now, almost every nokia phone[01:52:26] <aljen> brew is runtime environment, crappy one[01:52:32] <stargater> MauriceK: i thinl alle nolias phone will switch to qtopia[01:52:35] <aljen> but we develop for it too so[01:52:53] <MauriceK> aljen: may I ask, what company you work for?[01:52:58] <aljen> BLStream.com[01:53:05] * MauriceK takes a look[01:53:30] *** dchis_ has joined #haiku[01:53:51] <MauriceK> "leverage the constantly evolving multiplatform environment"[01:53:56] <MauriceK> buzz bingo :)[01:54:01] <aljen> hehe[01:54:30] <MauriceK> only "synergy" is missing :P[01:54:41] <stargater> hehe the site looks as the old yellowtab site[01:54:44] <stargater> hehe[01:54:45] *** dchis has quit IRC[01:54:51] <aljen> im in mobile graphics dept[01:54:56] <aljen> hehe[01:54:57] *** dchis_ is now known as dchis[01:55:22] <MauriceK> stargater: you think so? I consider it to be quite structured :P[01:56:50] <aljen> BLStream is an R&D partner of Motorola Good Technology and works together with Good on multiple mobile OS platforms. lol i thought it was confidential[01:57:10] *** burfi has left #haiku[01:57:27] <MauriceK> hehe[01:57:34] <MauriceK> luckily this channel is not logge[01:57:34] <MauriceK> d[01:57:37] <MauriceK> damn it is :P[01:57:40] <aljen> it is hehe[01:57:49] <aljen> but thats from website so ;p[01:57:55] <MauriceK> haha[01:58:07] <stargater> oh oh[01:58:08] * MauriceK likes vmware so that he can actually play poker now[01:58:36] <aljen> hehe[01:58:49] <MauriceK> I tried reactos in the meantime... gosh that thing is crap[01:58:54] <aljen> i was in team porting good mobile to s60 for 2 years hehe[01:59:01] <ToxicSoul> Hey I have a question: Haiku freezes on the disk icon on splash from google this looks like an issue with dma, anyone have any idea on how I can edit the raw disk image?[01:59:09] * MauriceK is still waiting for an official poker client using Qt for all the platforms[02:00:28] <MauriceK> ToxicSoul: you're disturbing that relaxed non-dev environment :P[02:00:33] <stpere> ToxicSoul: try hitting the space bar several time before the splash screen appears (but after BIOS is done)[02:00:50] <stpere> you will have access to several boot options[02:00:59] <aljen> ToxicSoul: edit with ./generated/objects/darwin/x86/release/tools/bfs_shell/bfs_shell if you have haiku compiled[02:01:03] <stpere> otherwise, you can also compile your own image[02:01:04] <aljen> change darwin to your platform[02:01:09] <ToxicSoul> stpere: I've tried that a ton of times, its hard to since I'm trying to get this working within xVM on solaris[02:01:19] <stpere> oh[02:02:03] <ToxicSoul> It'd be nice if VMWare had some nice feature were you could save the disk as a raw image, but it looks like compiling may be my only choice[02:05:08] *** oco has quit IRC[02:09:02] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[02:10:04] <stargater> shape alarm[02:10:31] *** {V} has joined #haiku[02:13:45] *** rsanches has quit IRC[02:19:30] *** dchis has quit IRC[02:20:16] <stargater> so need sleep , n8[02:20:30] *** stargater has quit IRC[02:31:11] *** Thom_Holwerda has quit IRC[02:35:49] <aljen> haha http://pasteall.com/view.php?p=80[02:41:59] *** inseculous has quit IRC[02:42:28] <MauriceK> i think I'll leave as well...[02:42:29] <MauriceK> gn8[02:42:33] <aljen> gn8[02:42:38] *** MauriceK has quit IRC[02:48:07] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[02:48:26] <Kokito> greetings from San Francisco[02:48:32] <aljen> hey Kokito :)[02:48:44] <pyCube> hello from quite near san francisco[02:48:57] <Kokito> hey pyCube :)[02:49:05] * pyCube waves across the golden gate bridge[02:49:08] <Kokito> just came back from the metreon[02:49:15] <{V}> hiya from not anywhere near san francisco[02:49:36] * Kokito waves back[02:49:51] <pyCube> Kokito: i was over near there last weekend. was dragged to an EV club gathering[02:50:18] <pyCube> EV as in electric vehicle[02:51:04] <Kokito> I figured :)[02:51:26] *** LinuxKeitaro has joined #haiku[02:51:37] <Kokito> hello LinuxKeitaro[02:52:04] *** LinuxKeitaro has quit IRC[02:52:20] *** LinuxKeitaro has joined #haiku[02:52:28] * Kokito wonders if he scared LinuxKeitaro...[02:52:39] <Kokito> :P[02:52:51] <pyCube> heh.. ya know, is there a more commonly mis-heard song lyric than manfred mann's "blinded by the light"?[02:53:31] <Kokito> umccullough, got the screen setup in the booth :)[02:53:39] <{V}> I wonder who's responsible for the Haiku website...[02:54:05] <Kokito> why {V} ?[02:54:20] <Kokito> it is maintained by a few people[02:54:27] *** duaneb has quit IRC[02:54:28] <LinuxKeitaro> Kokito - you didn't scare me, I had an xchat crash[02:54:29] <LinuxKeitaro> hehe[02:54:46] <Kokito> :)[02:56:28] <{V}> Kokito, I'm trying to create an account and I got the response that my answer to the math problem is wrong (I've tried 3 times). I suspect it wants to create a cookie.[02:56:47] <Kokito> hmmm...[02:57:11] <Kokito> don't think we ever had that problem[02:57:45] <{V}> I'll try allowing cookies for the haiku domain.[02:58:32] <DaaT> Kokito![02:58:37] <Kokito> hey DaaT[02:58:47] <Kokito> {V}, please try and let me know how it goes[02:59:24] <Kokito> {V}, I know that registration is working, as I see new accounts being created almost daily[03:00:45] *** darbelo has left #haiku[03:00:53] <{V}> Kokito, it failed. Maybe it's the wrong error message. ( or Maybe I'm to tired to do simple sums like 4+7 ;)[03:01:04] <{V}> either way, I'll try again in the morning[03:01:43] <Kokito> {V}, I just tried creating an account here, and it work[03:02:18] <{V}> odd. Must be me then :)[03:02:25] <{V}> goodnight everyone (whenever that is for you)[03:02:28] <Kokito> what exact message are you getting?[03:03:03] <{V}> The answer you entered to the math problem is incorrect.[03:03:54] <pyCube> eesh.. man, i need to remember that I really should go easier on the beer at work if i plan on "doing a little more work before going home"[03:06:23] <{V}> Kokito, thanks for looking into it btw. I'll try again tomorrow.[03:06:32] <Kokito> ok[03:06:37] *** {V} is now known as zVz[03:06:51] <Kokito> I am checking the captcha configuration[03:07:11] *** zVz is now known as {Vzzz}[03:07:34] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[03:07:35] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[03:08:35] * Kokito takes operator status from mmu_man[03:08:49] *** mmu_man sets mode: +o Kokito[03:08:52] <mmu_man> libtool: link: CURRENT `' must be a nonnegative integer[03:08:53] <mmu_man> libtool: link: `1:1:0' is not valid version information[03:08:55] <mmu_man> wtf[03:09:00] <mmu_man> buildin sane[03:10:07] <Kokito> going insane trying to build sane?[03:11:33] <mmu_man> yeah[03:11:44] <mmu_man> lol someone got that with libtiff last year: http://echelog.matzon.dk/logs/browse/haiku/1196895600[03:16:58] *** DaaT has quit IRC[03:21:55] *** Tonik has quit IRC[03:22:32] *** Kokito has quit IRC[03:24:42] *** koki_haiku has joined #haiku[03:24:54] <koki_haiku> howdy[03:25:19] <daste> koki :-)[03:26:58] <koki_haiku> daste :)[03:30:12] <mmu_man> DIE libtool DIE![03:35:28] *** ddew|bofh has quit IRC[03:39:14] <mmu_man> ok changed back the crap in backend/Makefile to -version-info $(V_MAJOR):$(V_REV):$(V_MINOR) as with the older version[03:44:36] <mmu_man> gahh one more backend missing an include[03:46:38] <ToxicSoul> beorn[56] [~/Haiku-Dev/haiku/]# ./configure --build-cross-tools ../buildtools/[03:46:38] <ToxicSoul> ./configure: syntax error at line 190: `(' unexpected[03:46:43] *** petterhj has quit IRC[03:46:50] <ToxicSoul> configure looks fine to me.. any ideas?[03:47:22] <DeadYak> ToxicSoul: what OS is that on?[03:47:27] <ToxicSoul> solaris[03:47:42] <DeadYak> hmmm[03:47:42] <DeadYak> ToxicSoul: time to ask a silly question[03:47:42] <DeadYak> ToxicSoul: are you using something other than bash perchance?[03:47:51] <ToxicSoul> yeah..tcsh =p[03:47:58] <DeadYak> ToxicSoul: that's possibly why...[03:47:59] <ToxicSoul> thanks[03:48:45] <ToxicSoul> oh yeah a better error.. =p Unsupported platform: SunOS[03:48:46] <mmu_man> yeah try with bash[03:49:42] <mmu_man> hmm well configure advertises #!/bin/sh, so it probably uses non-posix bash extensions[03:50:13] <DeadYak> I thought someone had sent in patches to get it to build on Solaris at some point....[03:50:15] <DeadYak> maybe I'm wrong[03:50:18] <mmu_man> is $(command) a bashism ??[03:50:54] <mmu_man> can probably be changed to `command`[03:50:56] <DeadYak> seemingly :)[03:51:24] <DeadYak> = `pwd` ?[03:51:43] <DeadYak> though it uses $(basename right below that[03:53:29] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[03:54:12] <mmu_man> yes all that can be changed to[03:54:25] <ToxicSoul> beorn[68] [~/Haiku-Dev/haiku/]# /bin/sh ./configure --build-cross-tools ../buildtools/[03:54:25] <ToxicSoul> ./configure: haikuRequiredLegacyGCCVersion=2.95.3-haiku-080323: is not an identifier[03:55:37] <mmu_man> ToxicSoul can you apply that patch and retry ? http://revolf.free.fr/beos/patches/haiku-configure-sh.diff.001.txt[03:56:08] <mmu_man> w8 it works with sh ?[03:56:34] <ToxicSoul> yeah, I replaced some of the stuff[03:56:41] <mmu_man> ah ok[03:56:53] <mmu_man> I was wondering why it didn't respect the hash-bang[03:57:28] *** aroman has joined #haiku[03:57:43] <mmu_man> sh doesn't like export it seems[03:58:02] <mmu_man> try:[03:58:03] <mmu_man> haikuRequiredLegacyGCCVersion="2.95.3-haiku-080323"[03:58:04] <mmu_man> export haikuRequiredLegacyGCCVersion[03:58:33] <mmu_man> line 235[04:02:07] <mmu_man> current diff is http://rafb.net/p/tWINXL16.html[04:02:15] * mmu_man pets Pe's WebPaste extension ;)[04:02:23] <mmu_man> ToxicSoul is it working now ?[04:02:50] <ToxicSoul> I'm getting beorn[81] [~/Haiku-Dev/haiku/]# !./configure[04:02:51] <ToxicSoul> ./configure --build-cross-tools ../buildtools/[04:02:51] <ToxicSoul> Unsupported platform: SunOS[04:02:54] *** pyCube has quit IRC[04:02:54] *** __toddb__ has joined #haiku[04:03:01] *** absabs has joined #haiku[04:03:06] <ToxicSoul> after first patch + line change at 235[04:03:09] <mmu_man> yeah well that's a matter of adding it and the needed code[04:03:53] <mmu_man> line 308[04:04:34] <mmu_man> SunOS) buildPlatform=sunos ;;[04:04:50] <mmu_man> but then I suspect you'll need to add things to other scripts[04:05:27] <ToxicSoul> test: unknown operator <[04:05:28] <mmu_man> [revol@Zeta /Data/haiku/trunk]# grep linux build/*/*[04:05:29] <mmu_man> build/jam/BuildSetup: : linux freebsd darwin ;[04:05:30] <mmu_man> build/jam/BuildSetup:if $(HOST_PLATFORM) = linux || $(HOST_PLATFORM) = freebsd[04:05:31] <mmu_man> build/jam/BuildSetup: case linux : HOST_DEBUG_FLAGS ?= -ggdb ;[04:05:31] <mmu_man> build/jam/BuildSetup: case linux : TARGET_DEFINES += HAIKU_TARGET_PLATFORM_LINUX ;[04:05:32] <mmu_man> build/jam/BuildSetup: case linux : HOST_DEFINES += HAIKU_HOST_PLATFORM_LINUX[04:06:22] <mmu_man> hmm where do you get this ?[04:06:28] <mmu_man> try running with sh -x[04:06:37] <mmu_man> /bin/sh -x configure ...[04:06:44] <mmu_man> should help finding where[04:08:06] <mmu_man> ugh[04:08:07] <mmu_man> build/scripts/build_cross_tools:if [ $# \< 2 ]; then[04:08:12] <mmu_man> ok that looks ugly[04:08:45] <mmu_man> from help test:[04:08:46] <mmu_man> STRING1 < STRING2 True if STRING1 sorts before STRING2 lexicographically.[04:09:00] <mmu_man> but that's a math op anyway[04:10:36] <mmu_man> http://rafb.net/p/na0MDq64.html[04:10:42] <mmu_man> use -lt[04:12:10] <mmu_man> ToxicSoul how is it now ?[04:12:15] <ToxicSoul> needs some changes further down too..[04:12:20] <ToxicSoul> #36[04:12:44] <mmu_man> ah $() again[04:13:38] *** ddew|bofh has joined #haiku[04:14:11] * mmu_man pets :%s/\$(\(.*\))/\`\1\`/gc in vi[04:14:30] <mmu_man> http://rafb.net/p/JWPDoZ80.html[04:14:43] <ToxicSoul> /export/home/sundemo/Haiku-Dev/haiku/build/scripts/build_cross_tools: $/export/home/sundemo/Haiku-Dev/haiku: does not exist[04:15:57] <mmu_man> "you don't exist; go away!"[04:15:58] <mmu_man> ugh ?[04:16:30] <mmu_man> try putting #!/bin/sh -x at the top[04:16:36] <mmu_man> to see where it's from[04:16:45] <ToxicSoul> + mkdir -p /export/home/sundemo/Haiku-Dev/haiku/generated/build[04:16:46] <ToxicSoul> + [ -n ../buildtools/ ][04:16:46] <ToxicSoul> + /export/home/sundemo/Haiku-Dev/haiku/build/scripts/build_cross_tools /export/home/sundemo/Haiku-Dev/haiku ../buildtools/ /export/home/sundemo/Haiku-Dev/haiku/generated[04:16:46] <ToxicSoul> /export/home/sundemo/Haiku-Dev/haiku/build/scripts/build_cross_tools: $/export/home/sundemo/Haiku-Dev/haiku: does not exist[04:17:14] <mmu_man> hmm $/ ?[04:17:18] <mmu_man> maybe bad substitution[04:18:02] <ddew|bofh> hm, does anyone know how to bypass the activation on zeta 1.0?[04:18:30] <ddew|bofh> i have both serials and a registration key but since the authorizationservers are offline i can't activate[04:19:33] <ToxicSoul> yeah and I missed a few things[04:19:42] <ToxicSoul> I only replaced for the pwd[04:19:53] <ToxicSoul> not any of the finds below that[04:20:05] <mmu_man> damn all sane backend miss <stdint.h> :-([04:20:15] <mmu_man> eh[04:20:35] <mmu_man> ddew|bofh I suppose you could rebuild the binaries without the code... oops :p[04:21:16] <ddew|bofh> heh, yeah that's not an option i'm aware of :)[04:21:37] <ddew|bofh> i can't find the sources on the dvd[04:21:42] <ddew|bofh> ;)[04:22:11] <ddew|bofh> err cd, my mind can't hack non-dvd install discs any more[04:26:02] <mmu_man> ToxicSoul ?[04:26:34] <ToxicSoul> http://rafb.net/p/K9QNUC61.html[04:26:45] <ToxicSoul> it almost worked[04:28:15] <mmu_man> hmm that's gcc's own build stuff[04:28:37] <koki_haiku> ddew|bofh, send an email to Bernd :P[04:28:43] <mmu_man> hmm maybe you need to use gmake on sunos ?[04:29:53] <koki_haiku> ddew|bofh, now seriously: you can use the offline activation[04:30:54] <ddew|bofh> on zeta 1.0?[04:31:00] <koki_haiku> i think so[04:31:35] <mmu_man> koki_haiku yes, by phone :D[04:31:37] <koki_haiku> I'm going off my memory, but when the activation window pops up, there is a button at the bottom for alternative activation[04:31:42] <ddew|bofh> well i wrote a return 0 c++ app and replace the activation with it, so far it seems to be working[04:31:54] <koki_haiku> hmmm... was it by phone?[04:33:15] <mmu_man> ToxicSoul http://www.adempiere.com/wiki/index.php/Talk:How_to_Run_ADempiere_on_OpenSolaris[04:33:29] <mmu_man> looks like the same prob[04:33:56] <ddew|bofh> koki_haiku: "unable to activate over the internet"[04:34:16] <ddew|bofh> koki_haiku: i'm sure they took the activation servers offline when yt went down[04:36:06] <ToxicSoul> /export/home/sundemo/Haiku-Dev/haiku/build/scripts/build_cross_tools: PATH=/usr/sbin:/opt/SUNWspro/bin:/usr/ccs/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/ucb:/usr/local/uci:/usr/local/etc:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb:/usr/etc:/usr/local/gnu/bin:/usr/local/lang:/etc:/usr/local/X11R6/bin:/usr/openwin/bin:/usr/local/X/bin:/usr/sfw/bin:.:/export/home/sundemo/Haiku-Dev/haiku/generated/cross-tools/bin: is not an identifier[04:36:19] <ToxicSoul> looks like its missing a set[04:36:39] <ToxicSoul> hmm or not[04:37:33] <ToxicSoul> changed it a bit, will see if this fixes it[04:39:20] <ToxicSoul> hmm things might go faster If I shut down the domains running >.<[04:40:13] <CIA-50> mmu_man * r24922 /haiku/trunk/ (build/scripts/build_cross_tools configure):[04:40:13] <CIA-50> Remove use of bashisms since we use #!/bin/sh. This should help supporting solaris.[04:40:13] <CIA-50> Added sunos to the list of platforms, but it needs more work.[04:40:37] <mmu_man> please check if it's ok[04:43:16] <ToxicSoul> hmm[04:43:19] <ToxicSoul> still getting[04:43:26] <ToxicSoul> /export/home/sundemo/Haiku-Dev/haiku/build/scripts/build_cross_tools: PATH=/usr/sbin:/opt/SUNWspro/bin:/usr/ccs/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/ucb:/usr/local/uci:/usr/local/etc:/usr/bin:/usr/ucb:/usr/etc:/usr/local/gnu/bin:/usr/local/lang:/etc:/usr/local/X11R6/bin:/usr/openwin/bin:/usr/local/X/bin:/usr/sfw/bin:.:/export/home/sundemo/Haiku-Dev/haiku/generated/cross-tools/bin: is not an identifier[04:43:32] <mmu_man> where ?[04:43:55] <mmu_man> ah PATH=[04:43:58] <ToxicSoul> build_cross_tools:[04:44:02] <mmu_man> likely one more export foo=bar[04:45:04] <ToxicSoul> yeah,, trying agian[04:45:07] <mmu_man> that should do it[04:45:29] <CIA-50> mmu_man * r24923 /haiku/trunk/build/scripts/build_cross_tools: export foo=bar doesn't seem to work with plain sh...[04:45:35] <umccullough> wow, someone is trying to cross-compile from solaris?[04:45:41] <umccullough> fun :)[04:45:46] <mmu_man> not me :p[04:46:05] <umccullough> x86 version i have to assume[04:46:35] <ToxicSoul> yeah, I work at a unversity (undergrad) helping maintain the research servers / etc, and with a new grant sun has out we got some servers to demo to try to get people to buy them (we use a lot of suns generally)[04:46:37] <ToxicSoul> yep[04:46:53] <ToxicSoul> university*, I can't type tonight[04:47:12] <mmu_man> we used sun at school when I was in...[04:47:28] <mmu_man> when I graduated they changed the admin to a pro-NT[04:47:41] <mmu_man> he dumped all the LX[04:47:44] <mmu_man> and servers[04:47:56] <umccullough> last time I messed with Solaris was in 2000 at a company that wrote java enterprise software[04:48:06] <mmu_man> I demoed VNC... they loved it so much they bought Citrix licences :^)[04:48:09] <umccullough> and their software ran better on NT anyway :P[04:48:54] <DHowett> Hey, we have sun boxen on campus here, too... o.o[04:49:11] <ToxicSoul> I actually have an ultra 10.. that I'm resting my feet on[04:49:21] <umccullough> sounds about right[04:49:24] <ToxicSoul> 440Mhz, 768MB of ram, 10GB hdd..[04:49:27] <DeadYak> haha[04:49:28] <DHowett> the AMD64 ones at look like they're made of shiny slate and a cage :P[04:49:32] <DHowett> that*[04:50:30] <mmu_man> really...[04:50:41] <mmu_man> *all* sane backend lack proper #include <stdint.h>[04:50:47] <mmu_man> that's boring[04:50:59] <mmu_man> make... vim backend/foo.c[04:51:00] <mmu_man> make... vim backend/bar.c[04:54:57] <ddew|bofh> seriously? they can't use automake or something as easily hackable?[04:54:59] <ddew|bofh> sheesh[04:55:42] <DeadYak> automake is easily hackable? :)[04:55:50] <geist> lies.[04:56:02] <ddew|bofh> well compared to making and then manually editing source files naturally :)[04:56:07] <mmu_man> they do use autocrap[04:56:27] <mmu_man> just they added code using u_int8_t everywhere but not the include for that type[04:56:47] <geist> oh man i hate that one[04:56:52] <ddew|bofh> eek[04:56:54] <geist> u_* pisses me off[04:57:03] <mmu_man> eh[04:57:06] <ddew|bofh> does newer versions of gcc pick that up automagically or?[04:57:38] <mmu_man> one more...[04:57:54] <mmu_man> on linux there is probably another header that includes it[04:58:28] <geist> yep[04:58:40] <ddew|bofh> makes sense, i shouldn't be trying to think when it's this late at night :)[04:59:24] <ToxicSoul> http://rafb.net/p/jElmWy88.html[04:59:31] <ToxicSoul> beorn[122] [~/Haiku-Dev/haiku/]# which make[04:59:32] <ToxicSoul> make: aliased to gmake[04:59:56] <mmu_man> iddly opengroup doesn't list them[04:59:56] <mmu_man> http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/basedefs/stdint.h.html[05:00:55] <[Katisu]> I'm pretty sure they are not standard[05:01:13] <mmu_man> ToxicSoul that's probably only tcsh's own alias[05:01:19] <mmu_man> it doesn't work in scripts[05:01:51] <mmu_man> http://search.opengroup.org/search?q=u_int8_t nothing :)[05:02:02] <[Katisu]> actually, I think they are the reason that a standard was even created[05:03:13] <mmu_man> hmm[05:03:14] <mmu_man> http://dev.zuckschwerdt.org/openobex/ticket/15[05:03:23] <mmu_man> yeah they should instead be replaced by uint8_t[05:05:22] * [Katisu] gives mmu_man a cookie[05:05:22] <ddew|bofh> gonna file a bugreport on it?[05:06:18] <mmu_man> I'm subscribed to sane-devel, I shall post on it[05:06:52] <ddew|bofh> good call[05:12:38] <mmu_man> ToxicSoul getting further ?[05:12:56] <ToxicSoul> http://rafb.net/p/kXvOio63.html[05:12:59] <ToxicSoul> sort of[05:13:39] <ToxicSoul> looks like I need gperf[05:14:16] <mmu_man> should probably be built along with[05:15:09] <mmu_man> maybe you need to force using flex or something[05:16:08] <mmu_man> ftp://ftp.sunfreeware.com/pub/freeware/intel/10/gperf-3.0.3-sol10-x86-local.gz ? :p[05:16:39] *** koki_haiku has quit IRC[05:17:12] <ToxicSoul> yep getting now, just a pain since this is on a restricted vlan[05:17:27] <DeadYak> what's the default shell on Solaris? tcsh or ksh?[05:17:34] <ToxicSoul> tcsh[05:17:41] <mmu_man> used to be tcsh[05:17:50] <ToxicSoul> probably bash now[05:17:57] <DeadYak> ToxicSoul: only in Project Indiana[05:18:19] <DeadYak> they can't easily change that because they'd break too many sysadmin's scripts :)[05:20:48] <ddew|bofh> indiana is a really interesting project[05:21:10] <ddew|bofh> haven't seen a proper, non-corporate unix desktop in years[05:21:39] <ddew|bofh> as in proper unix, not something forked off 386bsd ;)[05:27:06] <DeadYak> 386bsd was forked off 4.4BSDLite no?[05:28:17] <CIA-50> anevilyak * r24924 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/keymap/ (Keymap.cpp Keymap.h KeymapWindow.cpp KeymapWindow.h):[05:28:17] <CIA-50> Keymap preferences now saves an attribute on the Key_map file to indicate[05:28:17] <CIA-50> what keymap it came from. This allows us to indicate the current keymap in[05:28:17] <CIA-50> the list views. I'm not sure how to get the build system to populate that[05:28:17] <CIA-50> attribute by default though.[05:29:31] *** pyCube__ has joined #haiku[05:29:46] <ddew|bofh> DeadYak: can't remember the exact details,[05:29:53] <ddew|bofh> something along those lines anyway :)[05:30:43] <DeadYak> that technically makes it a proper unix too :P[05:30:53] <DeadYak> besides, SunOS was BSD-based for the longest time as well :P[05:31:02] <DeadYak> until the name change to Solaris iirc[05:31:28] <DeadYak> at least I think the reason they changed it was switching to SysV as a base[05:31:33] <DeadYak> I might be off on that[05:31:37] <ddew|bofh> yeah, but you can see where company backing helps. look at the stuff in solaris, it's flipping golden[05:31:52] <DeadYak> sure but that's less a matter of what the baseline is than the fact that Sun have some fucking good engineers :)[05:31:53] <ddew|bofh> zfs, zones and so on[05:32:04] <ddew|bofh> indeed they do[05:32:10] <DeadYak> zfs and friends have more or less zero to do with it being based on SysV though :)[05:32:58] <ddew|bofh> i know, i just like the thought of a proper unix unsoiled by tons of OSS devs[05:33:15] <pyCube__> uh[05:33:17] <ddew|bofh> atleast the BSDs handles it better than linux[05:33:55] <DeadYak> ddew|bofh: well, considering linux isn't based on either of the original unix trees...[05:34:40] <DeadYak> hard to "soil" what's not there :)[05:35:12] <ddew|bofh> of course, i was referring to the codebase in general on that bit[05:35:25] <pyCube__> yeah.. one thing oss has done for sure is completely ruin the general computing experience[05:35:45] <pyCube__> i miss the days when it was steered by a couple asshole companies[05:35:57] <ddew|bofh> you on crack?[05:36:21] <DeadYak> I dunno, I find by and large OSS has mostly given us plenty of nice tools and libs, but not all that much for the "general computing experience"[05:36:32] <DeadYak> at least I don't find most of the major *nix DEs to be a great experience myself[05:37:29] <ddew|bofh> i'm no fan of either gnome nor kde, but xfce is quite nice[05:37:38] <slaad> But, Yak, they use soft pretty PNGs! They're the futaaaar of computing ;)[05:37:42] <slaad> (Presing DE = Desktop Environment)[05:37:55] <slaad> s/Presing/Presuming[05:38:07] <DeadYak> xfce's more or less inspired by NeXT no?[05:38:40] <DeadYak> at least UI-wise, I realize it has nothing in common with gnustep/openstep[05:38:50] <ddew|bofh> nah, you're probably thinking of windowmaker or gnustep[05:38:59] <DeadYak> probably[05:39:04] <ddew|bofh> xfce is just a nice, light desktop[05:39:14] <pyCube__> i prefer gnom eto xfce[05:39:31] <DeadYak> I can't stand using gnome :)[05:39:31] <pyCube__> doesnt seem much more 'heavy' than xfce[05:39:54] <pyCube__> heh[05:40:15] <pyCube__> rox is cool too[05:40:26] <ddew|bofh> gnome's too "odd" for my taste, there's a myriad of apps for it and sometimes what seems to be duplicates[05:40:27] <DeadYak> rox filer or rox desktop?[05:40:31] <pyCube__> both[05:40:34] <DeadYak> ah[05:40:36] <DeadYak> only played with filer[05:41:03] <DeadYak> ah...RiscOS[05:41:36] <ddew|bofh> i've never run that, looks ancient but some people swear by it[05:41:42] <ddew|bofh> wonder what the attraction is[05:41:50] <DeadYak> ddew|bofh: if you ever used an Acorn...[05:41:55] <DeadYak> that was pretty much the UI on it[05:42:20] <ddew|bofh> the acorn is one of a very few machines i've never owned/used[05:43:03] <ddew|bofh> i've only seen screenshots and they look pretty crufty[05:43:06] <pyCube__> DeadYak: did you ever check out storm (python db stuff)[05:43:09] <ddew|bofh> like from the early 90s[05:43:16] <mmu_man> our video information system in busses use risp PC machines[05:43:28] <mmu_man> sometimes they fail booting and you can see the acorn logo :)[05:43:33] <ddew|bofh> heh[05:43:45] * ToxicSoul pets his UPS hoping it will keep me up long enough to finish this if the storm knocks the power out[05:44:21] *** HaikuwareDev has joined #Haiku[05:45:11] *** daste has quit IRC[05:45:19] <mmu_man> damn even the test backend lacks stdint[05:46:21] <DeadYak> pyCube__: haven't had a chance yet sorry, been working on upgrading another customer's call center the past few days so I've had pretty much zero time to get back to that project :/[05:46:42] <pyCube__> DeadYak: heh..just curious[05:46:47] <__toddb__> storm?[05:47:07] <__toddb__> doesn't that require you to still create your tables by hand though?[05:47:14] <pyCube__> __toddb__: http://storm.canonical.com[05:47:22] <pyCube__> um[05:47:55] <pyCube__> __toddb__: oh, and hi[05:48:04] <__toddb__> hey dude, long time[05:48:07] *** MichaelHenry has quit IRC[05:48:44] <pyCube__> __toddb__: whats new?[05:49:09] <__toddb__> not much, doing the impossible at work with very little time to work on it..[05:49:20] <__toddb__> startups rule.. :)[05:49:42] *** HaikuwareDev has quit IRC[05:50:20] <pyCube__> hehe[05:50:24] <__toddb__> you still in phoenix?[05:50:40] <pyCube__> nah.. moved back to cal in december[05:50:45] <__toddb__> what part?[05:51:01] <pyCube__> bay area.. petaluma[05:51:10] <__toddb__> nice, i am still in slo[05:51:46] <__toddb__> been meaning to travel up to bay area some weekend, now that its warming up again[05:51:52] <pyCube__> i got a job at a film studio[05:52:14] <__toddb__> awesome, doing what?[05:52:23] <DeadYak> porn director[05:52:26] <__toddb__> you go to bay of piggies meetings?[05:52:26] <DeadYak> j/k[05:52:35] <pyCube__> writing tools.. python[05:53:19] <pyCube__> and some production work when needed[05:53:31] <__toddb__> very cool, keep trying unsuccessfully to start new project at home, its so easy to find distractions and excuses not to start[05:53:40] <__toddb__> so, you a mac guy now?[05:54:08] <pyCube__> i am a 'boy, i sure do like good stable dev platforms' kinda guy[05:54:22] <__toddb__> heh, thats why I run vista on my laptop.. :P[05:54:37] <pyCube__> i was given a macbook pro, so i use that mostly[05:54:45] <pyCube__> linux at home though[05:54:50] <pyCube__> windows when i have to[05:54:51] <pyCube__> heh[05:55:15] <__toddb__> I have a laptop that dual boots freebsd around here somewhere...[05:55:45] <__toddb__> I can't use linux, or freebsd and be productive, I end up spending all my time installing customizing and getting distracted..[05:56:45] <pyCube__> hehe.. my needs are pretty straightforward. python, pyqt4, a few other python modules[05:56:50] <pyCube__> ..and a good editor[05:56:59] <__toddb__> though when I only have ssh access to it, much less distracting, I actually get stuff done[05:57:12] <__toddb__> its not about needs, I like to tinker too much..[05:57:49] <mmu_man> damn it wants strsep now[05:58:02] <mmu_man> hey that's in libbind[05:58:07] <mmu_man> why doesn't it link to it ?[05:58:09] *** scottmc_ has joined #haiku[05:58:17] <__toddb__> I quit smoking this week, so really need a project to keep my mind off it..[05:58:54] <__toddb__> the plan was to rewrite circlemud in c#, figured be good project..[05:58:58] *** absabs has quit IRC[05:59:17] <pyCube__> __toddb__: but yeah, i know about busy.. i spent most of jan and feb down in LA at our stage, working insane hours[06:01:06] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[06:03:21] <pyCube__> __toddb__: you do c# for work?[06:14:29] <DHowett> ew C#[06:15:07] <__toddb__> heh, thats what I thought when I started[06:15:21] <__toddb__> now I really like it, took me a long time though[06:15:26] <DeadYak> it's not that bad once you get used to it[06:15:45] * slaad likes C#.[06:15:52] * slaad really likes VS.Net 2005 / 2008.[06:15:57] <__toddb__> its nicer than java, you can fix memory in place and use pointers, and allocate on the stack[06:16:22] <DeadYak> __toddb__: I like the fact that it doesn't perpetuate a lot of the stupider java-isms that make you go out of your way to do things in 10 steps that it should be able to do for you[06:16:37] <slaad> My only complaint is the single-inheritance thing.[06:17:18] <slaad> Which means you often have to implement an interface directly and have NOP methods rather than inheriting helper class with NOP methods defined.[06:17:26] <__toddb__> I like single inheritance.. makes less confusing[06:17:35] <umccullough> slaad, you *like* VS2005?[06:17:38] <slaad> Yes.[06:17:42] <umccullough> it's an absolute hunk of shit[06:17:43] <slaad> It's an amazingly good IDE.[06:17:44] <umccullough> slow as fuck[06:17:48] <umccullough> VS2008 isn't bad[06:17:51] * slaad blinks[06:17:54] <umccullough> and VS2003 wasn't bad[06:17:57] <slaad> Are you sure you aren't thinking 2003 / 2002?[06:18:00] <slaad> Because they were the horrible ones.[06:18:03] <umccullough> i *know* what i'm thinking[06:18:19] <slaad> Well, my experience is the opposite. 2002/3 were horribly slow. 2005 was much better.[06:18:50] <umccullough> 2005 is a dog for me - granted the GUI development is what i'm focusing on[06:19:03] <umccullough> perhaps if I didn't have a slow old P4 3.4ghz with 2gb ram[06:19:12] <pyCube__> heh[06:19:17] <slaad> Single cre?[06:19:20] <slaad> Core, rather?[06:19:21] <umccullough> yeah, with HT[06:19:30] <umccullough> an absolute dog apparently[06:19:36] <slaad> Ah. I run it on a dual core... and it's much better than 2003 on the same machine.[06:19:41] <umccullough> bah[06:19:45] <DeadYak> for a lot of things I find a P4's actually slower with HT enabled for some reason[06:19:56] <__toddb__> I have noticed that as well..[06:20:01] <umccullough> DeadYak, depends - i run SQL server in teh background also[06:20:01] <slaad> The slowest parts (across all versions) are switching to the design view when doing ASP.Net stuff.[06:20:04] <umccullough> so...[06:20:10] <slaad> Luckily 2005+ no longer uses that view by default.[06:20:13] <DeadYak> umccullough: even then[06:20:32] <umccullough> DeadYak, without HT, things get noticeably less snappy[06:20:51] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[06:20:58] <umccullough> slaad, i do winforms dev mostly - and the 2005 designer is like twice as slow as 2003 was[06:21:07] <__toddb__> ht individual apps run slower, however other windows more responsive..[06:21:10] <umccullough> and yet 2008 is faster than both[06:21:27] <slaad> Interesting....[06:21:30] <__toddb__> haven't switch to wpf yet umccullough?[06:21:42] <slaad> I don't do as much Winforms stuff. And when I do, it's in .Net 2.0, so I don't have a choice of 2003.[06:21:49] <__toddb__> our gui is mostly direct x with gdi forms overlaid[06:21:55] <umccullough> __toddb__, i don't have the luxury of actually using new technologies[06:22:22] <umccullough> we only upgraded our app to .net 2.0/3.0 recently - and we're hating it[06:22:28] <umccullough> because of vs2005 mostly[06:24:01] <umccullough> please understand - I'm a reasonable guy - but when I have to wait 30 seconds for a goddamn designer to open and give me control... i get grumpy[06:24:31] <__toddb__> designer gets badly hosed for some reason sometimes, and can't do anything with it..[06:24:37] <umccullough> yeah, BADLY[06:24:51] <umccullough> sometimes i copy/paste screenloads of controls and only half of them ever get copied[06:24:56] <pyCube__> qt designer is working well for me :-p[06:25:16] <slaad> Did you do an auto-convert, umccullough?[06:25:19] <__toddb__> we found you can copy paste entire guis, its pretty funny.. I didn't think it would work[06:25:31] <umccullough> slaad, originally, yes - but we've been re-creating them manually[06:25:44] <umccullough> splitting shit off into *.Designer.cs[06:25:53] <slaad> Yeah, I'd be a wary about the crud 2003 used to put the designer files prior to partial classes.[06:25:56] <__toddb__> I don't like qts licensing.. think its a bit dishonest[06:26:16] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[06:26:18] <umccullough> it doesn't help that we use a lot of shitty DevEx stuff[06:26:25] *** DHowett has left #haiku[06:26:30] <slaad> DevExpress?[06:26:31] <umccullough> 3rd party components are teh suck[06:26:32] * slaad shudders[06:26:41] <umccullough> yeah...[06:26:46] <pyCube__> i dunno about licenses and all that..but qt is really good stuff[06:26:47] <umccullough> heavyweight crap[06:26:57] <__toddb__> my favourite .net feature is the asynchronous api[06:29:04] <umccullough> anyhow, we're slowly cleaning up our codebase to be less crufty - and will be moving to VS2008 company-wide shortly ... so I can only hope things improve :)[06:30:02] <umccullough> maybe start eliminating the 3rd party crap too...[06:31:01] <pyCube__> being cross-platform is critical where i work[06:31:38] <__toddb__> yeah, gtk+ is crossplatform, as is tk[06:31:41] <pyCube__> python + qt makes its pretty simple to dev apps that look/feel exactly the same across platforms[06:31:54] <__toddb__> and new tk uses native widgets I think[06:32:02] <slaad> We do cross platform too. We support both Vista *and* XP ;)[06:32:04] <umccullough> java is cross platform ;)[06:32:18] <umccullough> slaad, that's more than we support![06:32:19] <__toddb__> but its libraries aren't.. :P[06:32:21] <umccullough> heh[06:32:28] * ddew|bofh[06:32:29] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[06:32:31] <umccullough> slaad, but do you also support w2k?[06:32:36] *** ddew|bofh has quit IRC[06:32:55] <slaad> Sure, why not?[06:32:58] <umccullough> :)[06:33:05] <pyCube__> this industry seems pretty well drenched in python and increasingly qt[06:33:07] <__toddb__> we don't support vista, when we built lib avcodec, the guy who did it hacked together, and don't have a way to build it again..[06:33:35] <umccullough> __toddb__, written in .NET?[06:33:53] <umccullough> managed?[06:34:00] <__toddb__> nope, from ffmpeg, using mingw, I could probably spend week to get to compile again, he stripped the headers to only use part of it though[06:34:09] <umccullough> fun[06:34:39] <__toddb__> yeah, I will probably just rewrite what we need in c# based on libavcodec.. just because that source code is so painful[06:35:25] <__toddb__> we were using direct show, wrote our own source filter, but was too hard to debug, so now moving more towards pure c#[06:36:38] <pyCube__> __toddb__: what kind of app(s) do you work on?[06:41:18] <umccullough> scottmc_, you around?[06:43:02] <umccullough> DeadYak, so, what's the status with haiku self-hosting now?[06:43:17] <umccullough> i assume you haven't figured out that mimeset issue yet...[06:44:51] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[06:45:06] <geist> meep?[06:45:12] <geist> moop.[06:45:16] <Kokito> hey geist[06:45:21] <Kokito> greets from the city[06:45:35] <geist> greetz[06:46:32] <umccullough> svn.berlios.de die?[06:46:44] <umccullough> timing out now :([06:46:51] <Kokito> just had my mandatory plate of "gnocchi al pesto" at the local italian restaurant :)[06:46:58] <umccullough> heh[06:47:13] <Kokito> umccullough, projector screen already setup :)[06:47:18] <umccullough> nice![06:47:25] <umccullough> so i guess you found a way to attach it?[06:47:37] <Kokito> using cable straps[06:47:51] <Kokito> just like we did at scale[06:47:58] <umccullough> cool - i thought they maybe had a no-attach policy this time[06:48:06] <umccullough> seems like you mentioned that before[06:48:16] <Kokito> that's what they said; but when I asked, they told to just go ahead[06:48:22] <umccullough> :)[06:48:40] <Kokito> we are next to linux pro magazine[06:48:59] <Kokito> and surrounded by ubuntu, kde, freebsd, etc.[06:49:04] <umccullough> heh[06:49:07] <Kokito> it's going to be fun[06:49:28] <DeadYak> umccullough: not really had time :/[06:49:34] <umccullough> DeadYak, ok[06:49:35] <DeadYak> umccullough: and I svn upped like 5 minutes ago[06:49:40] <Kokito> hey DeadYak[06:49:44] <umccullough> yeah, my svn co died in the middle[06:49:47] * DeadYak pets Kokito[06:49:48] <DeadYak> umccullough: oh[06:49:58] <Kokito> DeadYak, saw your commit for the default keymap ;)[06:50:11] <DeadYak> Kokito: it's not perfect but...[06:50:28] <Kokito> it will get there :)[06:52:28] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[06:55:10] <__toddb__> haiku is number 6 for search on self hosting[06:55:40] <Kokito> ???[06:55:48] <DeadYak> __toddb__: lol[06:56:12] <DHowett> Niiice[06:56:56] <__toddb__> wikipedia is number 1 though[06:57:33] <Kokito> number 6 on self hosting?[06:57:41] <DHowett> Wikipedia's number 1 for a good deal of things though[06:57:47] <DHowett> Kokito: google results :)[06:58:07] <Kokito> ah![06:58:28] <umccullough> well, the osnews article is 6th ;)[06:58:29] <__toddb__> if wikipedia doesn't know, there is nothing to know[06:58:33] <Kokito> looks like the big plate of pasta that I just had has drawn the blood from my brain... :P[06:59:20] <DHowett> Well think of how many more English poetry majors we'll get as users ;) number 3 for just 'haiku'[07:00:30] <DHowett> Though most of them probably can't figure out the Start Orb in vista..[07:00:31] <DHowett> No ill will, i apologize to any liberal arts majors in here ;)[07:00:47] <__toddb__> now we just need and epic os[07:01:06] <__toddb__> err and == an[07:01:13] <DHowett> not like Epic Movie, hopefully ;)[07:02:00] <__toddb__> Super Operating System (SOS)[07:02:18] <DHowett> now with development platform "Mayday!"[07:02:29] <__toddb__> coming in June[07:02:38] <DHowett> wouldn't we make an awesome crack marketing team? ;)[07:02:56] <__toddb__> or a marketing team that seems to be on crack :)[07:03:08] <DHowett> eh, give or take :P[07:03:29] *** DHowett has quit IRC[07:03:38] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[07:03:58] <umccullough> speaking of eh...[07:04:01] *** clsk has joined #haiku[07:04:10] <umccullough> berlios hates me[07:04:36] <__toddb__> is launchpad useable by all os's or is it linux only?[07:05:00] <scottmc_> koki, no speakers here... my LCD has build in ones but that won't help much, as they are quiet[07:06:04] <Kokito> scottmc_, don't worry then[07:09:11] <__toddb__> http://freehg.org/ now this is minimalistic[07:09:12] <Kokito> I had forgotten how noisy the city can be...[07:10:03] <scottmc_> you at the hotel? how is it?[07:10:24] <Kokito> yep. it's ok, but not great.[07:10:43] <Kokito> kind of ol[07:10:44] <Kokito> old[07:10:57] <Kokito> but the location could not be better :)[07:11:11] <scottmc_> looked old, but yeah location looked good to me.[07:12:15] <Kokito> can't complain for the price.[07:12:26] <Kokito> and has internet access, both wired and wifi[07:12:45] <scottmc_> i figured someone would have fixed ticket #2061 by now...[07:12:52] <Kokito> geist, are you coming tomorrow or sunday?[07:13:25] <Kokito> scottmc_, I noticed that bug too[07:13:51] <scottmc_> i kept waiting for it to say stop, but it never did. ;)[07:13:53] <Kokito> plus the installer never gives you a "installatio finished" message[07:14:19] <Kokito> even after it is done, it keeps telling the user "finishing installation"[07:15:01] <scottmc_> yup. but i guess that's to be expected on stuff that was just added, it was just added recently wasn't it?[07:15:33] <geist> yeah, some time in the afternoon probably[07:15:42] <Kokito> hmmm... I think the installer has been there for quite a while[07:16:08] <Kokito> geist, smart move. google is paying the bar tab at night :)[07:16:15] <scottmc_> i posted my first ever .diff today, adding stuff for ticket #1222. The installed i just noticed a few days ago, but it's probably been there a bit longer i imagine[07:16:36] *** Thom_Holwerda has joined #haiku[07:16:52] <geist> oh nice[07:17:18] *** slaad has quit IRC[07:19:31] *** slaad has joined #haiku[07:20:25] <scottmc_> looks like soundplay might be coming to haiku soon...[07:20:58] <Kokito> oh, really?[07:21:12] <Kokito> scottmc_, got insider information? ;)[07:21:42] <scottmc_> i'll give you the scoop offline...[07:22:53] <Kokito> now everyone wants to know :P[07:23:45] <scottmc_> he had some trouble getting haiku to work, but he said he's heard it's gotten better and that'll he'll give it another try out soon.[07:24:01] <Kokito> that's cool[07:25:23] <scottmc_> there were some undocumented calls in the code and that's why it gives the missing symbol error. i'm guessing that means no eric's ultimate solitaire though, as there's nobody home there to fix it.[07:25:51] <Kokito> scottmc_, I have an older version working on my haiku installation[07:26:04] <scottmc_> EUS?[07:26:10] <Kokito> scottmc_, btw, is it too much to ask you to get some bottled water on the way to SF?[07:26:17] <Kokito> EUS?[07:26:44] <scottmc_> Eric's or soundplay? I can stop by safeway on my way out of town.[07:26:57] <Kokito> soundplay[07:27:12] <Kokito> that would be nice scottmc_[07:27:48] <scottmc_> what version? i bought a key for it years ago and have some older versions on cd somewhere here.[07:28:08] <Kokito> hmmm... don't remember[07:28:19] <Kokito> got it off beshare[07:28:21] *** clsk has quit IRC[07:28:22] <Kokito> I also have a key[07:28:31] <scottmc_> do you have a copy of "be in your stereo"?[07:28:45] <Kokito> no[07:29:29] <Kokito> ok, going to shutdown and relax a bit in front of the tv[07:29:38] <Kokito> see you tomorrow scottmc_[07:29:45] <Kokito> give me a call when you get close to the bridge[07:30:02] <scottmc_> there's no working downloads for it on bebits... it let you run streams from soundplay and then you were able to use the web interface from BIYS to change the songs in the playlist. i used to use it for playing music from my home pc on my pc at work... just because it could[07:30:10] <scottmc_> sure thing[07:30:19] *** pyCube__ has quit IRC[07:30:23] *** rennj has quit IRC[07:30:46] <Kokito> scottmc_, I used be in your stereo in BeOS, but that was *many* years ago[07:32:01] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[07:33:27] <Kokito> good night folks[07:33:30] *** Kokito has quit IRC[07:33:35] <geist> nite. seeya tomorrow[07:33:42] *** clsk has joined #haiku[07:36:55] *** __toddb__ has quit IRC[07:41:25] *** cps1966 has joined #haiku[07:54:06] *** slaad has quit IRC[07:56:18] *** JonathanThompson has joined #haiku[07:57:30] *** scottmc_ has quit IRC[08:05:56] <cps1966> everyone resting up for next week[08:09:07] <DHowett> rest?[08:09:14] <DHowett> uh. next week?[08:09:23] <cps1966> tax time[08:09:34] <DHowett> Oh. Ew. Crap.[08:09:50] *** ozy` has quit IRC[08:09:53] <DHowett> I don't have any income and I recently turned 18. So i really have no idea about said thing..[08:10:02] <JonathanThompson> Don't worry.[08:10:11] <JonathanThompson> This is one of the few good times to be poor :D[08:10:24] <DHowett> Good then :P[08:10:26] <JonathanThompson> (It simplifies your life quite a bit sometimes)[08:10:41] <JonathanThompson> If you've had no income, chances are you're a deduction on your parents' income tax.[08:10:42] <cps1966> yeah but if you file and made atleast 3000 you can get 300 bucks for free[08:10:47] <JonathanThompson> You're covered by default.[08:11:00] <JonathanThompson> That's a point I forgot about...[08:11:27] <JonathanThompson> Then again, while I've not verified the details, I think I'm one of the lucky ones where that money is pro-rated.[08:11:39] <cps1966> i dont really have to file but i did to get 600 bucks back[08:11:49] <DHowett> In that case, I'm glad to be just a deduction at this point :P[08:14:51] <cps1966> gee my daughter is only 17 and has her own apartment goes to college and works[08:15:00] <JonathanThompson> And?[08:15:38] <JonathanThompson> I was 17 when I started college, was working, though I did live at home at the time...[08:16:02] <cps1966> well she left her mother last month[08:16:13] <JonathanThompson> It wasn't feasible for me to attend school and at the time have my apartment so early, regardless of what I wanted.[08:16:23] <cps1966> tired of her draging her down[08:16:26] <JonathanThompson> Financial issues sucked.[08:16:36] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[08:16:36] <JonathanThompson> Well, you've gotta do what you've gotta do.[08:17:00] <pyCube> or you could try to do something else[08:17:28] <JonathanThompson> Which may not be what you should do, though that's what you could do, depends on whether or not you would be able to manage it ;)[08:18:03] <pyCube> whatever it is, it'll either work out or not[08:18:31] <cps1966> if it dont she can always come here[08:19:42] *** JamesB192 has joined #haiku[08:22:03] *** JamesB192 has quit IRC[08:25:55] 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#haiku[15:53:51] *** ablyss has quit IRC[16:01:32] *** Anarchos has joined #haiku[16:08:54] <Anarchos> hello everybody[16:15:31] <Stargater> hi Anarchos[16:20:54] *** bSON has quit IRC[16:21:18] *** bSON has joined #haiku[16:22:53] *** absabs has quit IRC[16:26:19] *** bSON has quit IRC[16:26:37] *** bSON has joined #haiku[16:30:55] *** {V} has quit IRC[16:31:02] *** NeutronWrangler has joined #haiku[16:31:04] *** NeutronWrangler is now known as {V}[16:37:06] *** burfi has joined #haiku[16:37:17] *** burf1 has joined #haiku[16:37:24] *** burf1 has left #haiku[16:37:41] *** burfi has left #haiku[16:38:24] *** burfi has joined #haiku[16:43:49] *** mmlr has joined #haiku[16:44:35] <mmlr> is it me or is berlios down?[16:44:48] *** AndrevS has joined #haiku[16:45:36] <AnEvilYak> mmlr: checking[16:46:15] <mmlr> all of their servers seem to be unreachable svn, www, developer.berlios.de[16:46:49] *** _Lucretia_ has quit IRC[16:47:04] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[16:47:06] <AnEvilYak> seems to be the case indeed, connection refused here[16:47:14] <AnEvilYak> brb, rebooting this one to Linux[16:47:15] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[16:47:41] <umccullough> Arelis,[16:47:41] *** _Lucretia_ has joined #haiku[16:47:42] <umccullough> doh[16:47:45] <umccullough> he's gone[16:47:48] <umccullough> DeadYak,[16:47:50] <DeadYak> yeah?[16:47:59] <umccullough> did you happen to get a new firefox from mmadia?[16:48:08] <umccullough> he sent me 15pre[16:48:15] <DeadYak> yeah I have that one :)[16:48:17] <umccullough> but... it doesn't work on haiku for me :([16:48:36] <DeadYak> that?[16:48:47] <umccullough> md5sum?[16:49:10] <DeadYak> fc751c157e2e21d1d6e5d653c87fd1ad /home/rene/firefox-2.0.0.15pre.en-US.BeOS-bone-2008040520.zip[16:49:11] <umccullough> ftp://ftp.binarychicken.com/mmadia/firefox-2.0.0.15pre.en-US.BeOS-bone-2008040520.md5[16:49:16] <umccullough> yeah, same[16:49:24] <DeadYak> worked for me last I tried[16:49:30] <DeadYak> unless one of Ingo's socket-related changes broke it[16:49:31] <umccullough> ok, i was wondering if it was just me :)[16:49:40] <umccullough> i'll try the 14pre again and see if ti works[16:49:43] <DeadYak> will have to try it again with a newer build[16:50:31] <umccullough> berlios still down for me[16:50:57] <mmlr> umccullough: yeah, for me too since a few hours[16:51:16] <mmlr> wanted to check two things in[16:51:28] <DeadYak> yeah, svn+ssh fails here too[16:51:43] <DeadYak> maybe a problem with their host?[16:51:50] <DeadYak> or ISP[16:52:19] <mmlr> as multiple of their servers are unreachable I'd guess so[16:52:29] <mmlr> maybe a bad router or a power outage[16:52:38] <DeadYak> mind me asking what you were planning on checking in? :)[16:52:44] <DeadYak> I'd assume USB-related but..[16:52:53] <mmadia> umccullough fwiw, i've been running 15pre in r5bone[16:53:28] <umccullough> mmadia, ok :)[16:53:41] <mmlr> DeadYak: yeah, both USB, one corrects some startup stuff in EHCI to be according to specs and one does force a different order at loading the modules[16:53:53] <umccullough> mmadia, i'm sure it's good - i just got my haiku machine back up with a fresh install and something may have gone wrong[16:53:57] <DeadYak> mmlr: interesting[16:54:13] <DeadYak> umccullough: will try it shortly, I'm rebuilding now to test a patch for the cpuid problem[16:54:34] <mmlr> DeadYak: UHCI/OHCI first and EHCI then - some systems refuse to publish high speed devices if their plugged in at boot and legacy support is on[16:54:45] <DeadYak> aha.[16:55:08] <DeadYak> so is the idea to load the others first to reinit the controller and kick them out of legacy mode?[16:55:13] *** clsk has joined #haiku[16:55:39] <mmlr> DeadYak: in fact the EHCI specs says that the companion host controllers must use a lower pci function number then the EHCI one[16:56:04] <umccullough> mmlr, btw berlios has been down for me for like 8+ hours[16:56:15] <umccullough> except i was sleeping during most of that time :)[16:56:16] <mmlr> DeadYak: on other OSes that enumerate devices based on that it will therefore always load the companions first and EHCI then[16:56:23] <DeadYak> mmlr: ahh[16:56:37] <mmlr> DeadYak: and now it turns out that some BIOSes rely on that apparently[16:56:41] <DeadYak> mmlr: we don't enumerate devices that way?[16:57:15] <mmlr> DeadYak: no, we just load drivers and they will then scan the PCI bus for devices they support[16:57:22] <DeadYak> ah[16:57:36] <DeadYak> I thought that was supposed to be one of the things Thomas's PnP bus manager was doing differently[16:58:40] <mmlr> DeadYak: it doesn't really matter most of the time and in fact if you really have it do PnP then it's supposed not to care about this kind of stuff anyway[16:59:15] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[16:59:16] <DeadYak> so it's only USB that's "special" in this case?[16:59:37] <mmlr> it's some controllers or BIOSes that are broken[16:59:51] <DeadYak> understood[17:00:03] <mmlr> they rely on a specific OS behaviour even though the USB spec clearly sais that any initialization is OS specific[17:00:30] <mmlr> I never had this issue with my two desktops or with my old laptop[17:00:53] <mmlr> it's only with my new laptop and when having the device plugged in at boot[17:01:02] <DeadYak> I'm not sure if mine would have that issue or not since I only have EHCI in haiku at the moment[17:01:35] <mmlr> if it works when you have a device plugged in at boot then you don't have it[17:01:43] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[17:01:48] <DeadYak> any device? or a specific?[17:01:54] <umccullough> morning Kokito![17:01:59] <mmlr> siarzhuk had the same problem in #1236[17:02:05] <mmlr> DeadYak: any device[17:02:10] *** mats has joined #haiku[17:02:44] <mmlr> good morning Kokito[17:02:45] <DeadYak> mmlr: unfortunately I only have low speed devices here at the moment...at least I don't think my camera can publish as high speed mass storage[17:03:02] <slaad> Allo mmlr.[17:03:09] <mmlr> hi slaad[17:03:28] <umccullough> DeadYak, older camera?[17:03:32] <Kokito> hi umccullough & mmlr[17:03:32] <slaad> I see you did SetAltInterface :)[17:03:33] <mmlr> DeadYak: yeah, then you'll not really be able to verify that[17:03:36] <DeadYak> umccullough: 3-4 years ish.[17:03:55] <mmlr> slaad: were you able to test the alternate stuff already?[17:03:56] <DeadYak> Nikon Coolpix L4 to be exact[17:04:45] <Kokito> mmlr, USB mass storage works quite nicely now :)[17:04:52] <DeadYak> mmlr: unless this exact loading order issue would have something to do with salvatore's ohci driver failing with "Controller not started" every time[17:05:34] <mmlr> DeadYak: I don't assume so, the controllers themselves are pretty separated[17:05:39] <DeadYak> ah[17:06:24] <mmlr> DeadYak: they usually do not prevent eachother from working, it's just that the routing logic that decides if the companion host or the enhanced host should get the port seems to depend on it on some BIOSes/controllers[17:06:40] <DeadYak> I see[17:06:57] <mmlr> Kokito: yeah, but since the FAT filesystem is currently disabled most memory sticks aren't usable right now :-([17:07:07] <umccullough> :([17:07:10] <Kokito> they are for me :)[17:07:21] <mmlr> Kokito: but USB booting works nicely btw[17:07:22] <Kokito> I have a USB HDD formated in BFS[17:07:39] <mmlr> Kokito: that's nice of course[17:07:52] <Kokito> have not tried boothing yet, but maybe I should[17:07:58] <Stargater> mmlr hi, thank you for usb storage, its work here good with my 64mb stick :-)[17:08:23] <mmlr> good to hear that it works so well for everyone[17:08:25] *** aroman has joined #haiku[17:08:36] <Stargater> mmlr = http://haiku-gazette.blogspot.com/2008/04/usb-massenspeicher.html :-)[17:08:58] <slaad> Nah, not yet, mmlr.[17:09:08] <slaad> Does it all compile + work under non-Haiku?[17:09:12] <mmlr> Stargater: ja, hab ich gesehen :-)[17:09:19] <Stargater> :-)[17:09:26] <Kokito> mmlr, it did choke when trying to copy a big file (about 1GB)[17:09:52] <mmlr> slaad: that might actually be a problem now that it is integrated in our libdevice.so[17:10:02] <slaad> Hurr.[17:10:22] <mmlr> Kokito: then I sure hope that it was because of mass storage and not the Luposian bug ;-)[17:10:48] <Kokito> hehe :)[17:11:28] <mmlr> slaad: you should be able to get it to work anyway, just include the source files into your project directly[17:11:31] <Kokito> mmlr, when that happens, there is a thread in the kernel that seems to go stray. had no time to report a bug, but will do next week[17:12:04] <mmlr> slaad: like the USB* files in src/kits/device and use the header from headers/os/device/USBKit.h[17:12:40] <slaad> And compile+install the raw driver?[17:12:59] <mmlr> slaad: TARGET_PLATFORM=r5 jam usb_raw should work[17:13:49] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[17:13:56] <mmlr> just about to test what happens when you unplug the usb stick you have booted from ;-)[17:14:04] <slaad> Heh.[17:14:06] <slaad> Have fun? :)[17:14:13] <AnEvilYak> umccullough: confirmed that FF now segfaults btw[17:15:27] *** jiuda_D`arkness has joined #haiku[17:15:51] <mmlr> panic: could not read/write block[17:15:56] <slaad> I'll need to install the kernel busses as well, jah?[17:15:58] <mmlr> as expected[17:16:55] <mmlr> slaad: depens, the BeOS USB stack should support setting an alternate interface[17:16:58] <umccullough> AnEvilYak, :/[17:17:09] <umccullough> AnEvilYak, so it's something new in haiku?[17:17:29] <DeadYak> umccullough: I'd guess it relates to Ingo's socket-related changes[17:17:36] <umccullough> ah[17:17:46] <mmlr> slaad: but if you have UHCI/EHCI (i.e. not OHCI) it doesn't hurt to install the haiku USB stack anyway[17:17:51] <DeadYak> unfortunately without berlios working I can't binary search back to see what rev broke it[17:17:53] <mmlr> slaad: just make a backup ;-)[17:18:25] <slaad> Hrm. I might leave this for when it's not 1:30am.[17:18:49] <DeadYak> slaad: pansy :P[17:18:58] <umccullough> just do it![17:19:24] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[17:19:25] *** jiuda_D`arkness is now known as Barrett666[17:19:49] <mmlr> slaad: and be sure that you remove the BeOS host controller modules in /boot/beos/system/add-ons/kernel/busses/usb as otherwise you are calling for trouble[17:20:10] <slaad> Ah, that's what I was asking... do I need to remove those and install the Haiku ones?[17:20:39] <slaad> Does the old "How to install Haiku USB on BeOS" document still apply?[17:20:39] <{V}> yay for me! http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/1979#comment:10[17:20:51] <DeadYak> {V}: ah, that was you? :)[17:20:52] <mmlr> slaad: best see http://haiku.mlotz.ch/ for an how to, but be sure you get the latest revision as before BeOS support was broken and would hang the system[17:20:57] <{V}> DeadYak, yup[17:21:08] <DeadYak> {V}: thanks :D[17:21:18] <{V}> you're welcome :D[17:21:40] <DeadYak> {V}: what was wrong exactly?[17:21:50] <mmlr> slaad: ;-) oh you already had that - yes it still applies (or it applies again)[17:21:55] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[17:21:56] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[17:22:24] <Stargater> hi mmu_man[17:22:29] <slaad> Okay, I'll go through it tomorrow morning.[17:22:41] <slaad> Thanks though :)[17:22:55] <mmlr> slaad: be sure to get r24894 or newer as this fixed BeOS support[17:22:59] <umccullough> oh i guess i'm not getting trac notifications via the berlios bug list either :/[17:23:01] <Kokito> gotta go, see you guys![17:23:01] <umccullough> figures[17:23:07] <DeadYak> later Koki[17:23:09] *** Kokito has quit IRC[17:23:58] * slaad svn updates before bed.[17:24:05] <umccullough> good luck slaad :)[17:24:18] *** slaad has quit IRC[17:24:25] <{V}> BGA added extended family and extended model information to the cpu_type variable, but the way he did it, it unfortunately crossed over into the part of cpu_type that identifies the vendor (intel/amd/via/...)[17:25:32] <DeadYak> {V}: I wondered, I was trying to figure that out and noticed the vendor came back as something that wasn't even close to the header def for VENDOR_AMD :)[17:25:36] <{V}> since the k8 amds put revision information into the extended model part, suddenly your athlon 64 was made by another vendor :D[17:28:15] <DeadYak> understood[17:28:25] <DeadYak> his too actually, iirc it was reporting that his vendor was Rise[17:31:35] <{V}> yeah, good thing he added his cpu model, otherwise it would've taken a while longer before I'd figured it out[17:31:58] <DeadYak> understood :)[17:33:37] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[17:33:43] <{V}> brb[17:34:22] *** {V} has quit IRC[17:35:09] *** {V} has joined #haiku[17:35:16] <DeadYak> wb[17:35:29] <{V}> thx :)[17:40:17] <mmlr> funny things those BIOSes[17:40:53] <mmlr> I just pressed control-alt-delete in phonix laptop BIOS, now it doesn't post anymore :-/[17:42:39] <mmlr> luckily I don't use that laptop anyway ;-)[17:42:48] <mmu_man> tried removing the batt ?[17:43:07] <mmlr> mmu_man: not yet[17:45:10] <mmlr> it displays a small red x at the top of the display - i assume this is some kind of error ;-)[17:47:33] <mmu_man> ROTFL[17:47:50] <mmlr> well now it works again but dumped all the settings...[17:48:08] <mmu_man> our parliament just ratified the OMPI treaty on IP that led to DMCA and EUCD[17:48:11] <mmlr> I just wanted to test USB boot, but in that case I'll just leave it[17:48:19] <mmu_man> while we already voted the bill that transposed this directive[17:48:31] <Stargater> in summor cames new thinkpats = x200 :-)[17:48:38] <mmu_man> can someone explain to me why we do things up-side-down in this country ???[17:49:31] <mmlr> mmu_man: ;-)[17:50:15] * Stargater thinking = HAIKU need a HARDWARE , making for HAIKU = Laptop with factor 12.x" and 15.x"[17:50:21] <mmu_man> plus those are 15 years old, they are already totally wrong[17:57:22] <ToxicSoul> hey[17:57:31] <ToxicSoul> so, I fell asleep durring a compile last night[17:57:43] <ToxicSoul> but, I'm stuck again[17:57:44] <ToxicSoul> http://rafb.net/p/ENsgLG19.html[18:00:15] <mmu_man> SHELL="/bin/tcsh hmm that looks bad[18:00:52] <mmu_man> you might want to add SHELL=/bin/sh export SHELL in the build_cross_compiler script[18:01:22] *** tqh has joined #haiku[18:03:16] <ToxicSoul> build_cross_tools?[18:03:23] <mmu_man> yes[18:06:30] *** oco has joined #haiku[18:09:34] <umccullough> what options do you use on diff to make it look like an svn diff?[18:10:20] <bogomipz> you mean -u ?[18:11:07] * umccullough goes to check[18:11:14] <mmlr> yeah, it's -u[18:11:27] <mmlr> for "unified"[18:11:41] <umccullough> yeah :P[18:11:44] <umccullough> ok thanks[18:14:00] <umccullough> does beos have a WAIT_ANY in sys/wait.h?[18:14:06] <ToxicSoul> still fails.. =\ http://rafb.net/p/LRXH7h97.html[18:14:13] <umccullough> i guess i should load R5 onto another partition here[18:14:55] * plfiorini is away: Gone away for now.[18:14:56] *** plfiorini is now known as pl_away[18:15:21] <umccullough> ToxicSoul, missing the autotools?[18:15:33] <mmadia> tqh do you understand XULRunner at all?[18:15:33] *** bombuzal has joined #haiku[18:15:39] <ToxicSoul> beorn[244] [~/Haiku-Dev/haiku/]# aut[18:15:39] <ToxicSoul> auths auto_home autoconf autom4te automake-1.10 automount autoreconf autoupdate[18:15:39] <ToxicSoul> auto_ef auto_master autoheader automake automake-1.9 autopush autoscan[18:15:48] *** pl_away has quit IRC[18:16:10] <tqh> mmadia, havn't looked at it in ages.[18:16:15] <mmadia> umccullough no , it doesn't ... wait.h[18:16:51] <mmadia> tqh i've been trying to figure out if XULRunner can be embedded in the same manner as the embedding widget.[18:16:52] <umccullough> mmadia, thanks - just checking because I #defined it to -1 for haiku[18:17:41] *** dchis has quit IRC[18:17:59] <tqh> mmadia, xulrunner is the other way around. You build an application that is run by xulrunner.[18:18:29] *** Barrett has joined #haiku[18:18:51] <mmadia> oh... so would XR be useful for ....let's say creating a native browser?[18:19:17] *** mmlr has quit IRC[18:19:20] <mmadia> or would it be as native as firefox is?[18:20:02] <tqh> mmadia, it would be as native as firefox unless you add your own components as well[18:20:26] <mmadia> what type of things can be XPCOM components?[18:20:33] <tqh> xulrunner is pretty much a launcher and all the native parts in itself[18:20:36] *** NeutronWrangler has joined #haiku[18:20:41] <tqh> everything[18:20:43] *** {V} has quit IRC[18:20:47] *** NeutronWrangler is now known as {V}[18:20:47] <mmadia> (assuming the components you're talking of are xpcom stuff )[18:21:47] <tqh> xulrunner is mostly good for building crossplatform apps.[18:24:29] <DeadYak> tqh: I thought XULRunner was more or less the modern name of GRE?[18:25:14] <mmadia> so does xulrunner make k-melon and the other pre-xulrunner embedding apps obsolete?[18:25:30] <umccullough> 5[18:25:33] <umccullough> oops[18:26:01] <tqh> xulrunner is an app in itself. It should be assosciated with xul-apps to run those.[18:27:47] <tqh> mmadia, it can make them obsolete if they want to rewrite parts. The big thing is the ease which you can use a XUL-editor and build apps though (I think).[18:29:06] *** Schmedly3D has joined #haiku[18:30:59] *** mmlr has joined #haiku[18:31:07] <mmadia> tqh now how would native xpcom components be used in it?[18:32:13] <tqh> the same way as firefox, you know them already, they are in the components dir[18:33:10] <DeadYak> I think my neighbor got some home exercise kit or something...it sounds like an elephant stampede upstairs :/[18:33:15] <tqh> a component may have xul or libs, and it has a configuration with a UUID to ref it.[18:33:34] *** pyCube_ has quit IRC[18:34:06] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[18:34:07] *** Barrett is now known as Barrett666[18:36:03] *** tqh has quit IRC[18:36:17] <mmadia> ohh... so could a new XULRunner app could start off using all of mozilla's XPCOM stuff and over time have them replaced with custom beos parts?[18:36:24] <ToxicSoul> man I miss being able to go apt-get or emerge..[18:36:27] * mmadia sighs[18:36:54] <umccullough> DeadYak, i'm glad I don't live in an apartment :)[18:37:30] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[18:38:01] <umccullough> berlios still down?[18:38:06] <umccullough> looks like it[18:38:26] <mmlr> 12 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss[18:39:03] <umccullough> whee![18:39:40] <mmlr> funny thing is I usually ping svn to test whether my connection works over usb_serial + mobile[18:40:01] <mmlr> so when I today did that it didn't ping and I first though I broke usb_serial with my changes[18:40:22] <mmlr> but then I figured out that it in fact was able to resolve svn.berlios.de so that the problem must be on the other side...[18:40:42] <umccullough> :)[18:40:50] <Stargater> more then 12 h now berlios is dead[18:40:55] <umccullough> i tend to ping google.com first[18:40:58] <surrounder> Microsoft's David Cross came out and said so: "The reason we put UAC into the platform was to annoy users. I'm serious," said Cross. Cross had more to say than just that: Microsoft is going to put more emphasis on whitelisting.[18:41:03] <surrounder> rofl[18:41:24] <umccullough> whitelisting...wow, what a disaster that will be[18:41:25] *** koki_haiku has joined #haiku[18:41:29] <Stargater> where is Microsoft?[18:41:31] <mmlr> surrounder: I really wonder how that sentence would have continued after the ,[18:41:37] <koki_haiku> yay![18:41:41] <Stargater> hi koki_haiku[18:41:48] <mmlr> hi koki_haiku[18:41:56] <mmlr> so did the event start yet?[18:41:57] <surrounder> mmlr: hmm indeed, didn't even notice it[18:42:15] <umccullough> koki_haiku, i assume you're at the event :)[18:42:27] <umccullough> things heating up there?[18:42:47] *** koki_haiku has quit IRC[18:42:55] <umccullough> :P[18:43:03] <mmlr> hmm, that might not be such a good sign ;-)[18:43:03] <surrounder> lol[18:43:14] <umccullough> well, let's see - it's almost 10AM there[18:43:58] <umccullough> looks like it opens at 10[18:46:22] <umccullough> i wonder how many people were starting up their machines at the event just then and logging onto the shared internet connection ;)[18:48:08] <umccullough> wow, there are gonna be some interesting people at that event..[18:50:05] <umccullough> http://lugradio.org/live/USA2008/ for a list[18:50:16] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[18:51:40] <mmlr> saw that David "Lefty" Schlesinger from ACCESS will be there too[18:51:58] <mmlr> might be interesting if he and jorge meet in real for once[18:53:01] <umccullough> yeah, too bad I couldn't go today :([18:53:08] <umccullough> i would have liked to meet him myself[18:53:09] *** Thom_Holwerda has quit IRC[18:53:25] <umccullough> maybe I can convince my wife to make a trip down there tomorrow ;)[18:53:38] <umccullough> it's a 3 hour drive[18:54:22] *** ano has joined #haiku[18:54:46] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[18:55:13] <mmlr> usually girlfriends/wives aren't too interested in traveling for hours so their men can meet with geeks ;-)[18:55:31] <umccullough> yeah, but San Francisco is a good place to go shopping too :D[18:55:50] <mmlr> ah, that's a might be a convincing argument[18:56:00] <umccullough> we're actually going down there next weekend already...[18:59:34] <umccullough> i don't see any live streams listed :([19:01:08] <mmlr> umccullough: I suppose there's an audio stream? it's lug radio after all[19:01:27] <umccullough> yeah, i was hoping..but can't find one[19:03:09] <umccullough> looks like it will be recorded, but maybe not broadcast live :/[19:03:38] <mmlr> not really helpful...[19:04:25] <umccullough> oh well.... guess i've got some other stuff to do anyway, ttyl[19:09:43] *** koki_haiku has joined #haiku[19:11:12] <mmlr> hi again koki_haiku[19:12:02] <koki_haiku> hi mmlr[19:12:09] <koki_haiku> greets from lugradio live folk[19:12:11] <koki_haiku> folks[19:12:20] <mmlr> how's it going?[19:13:31] *** Thom_Holwerda has joined #haiku[19:14:13] <koki_haiku> just starting[19:14:21] <koki_haiku> not much goinjg on yet[19:15:26] <mmlr> koki_haiku: but everything's setup and working?[19:15:42] <koki_haiku> so far, so good[19:15:55] <koki_haiku> got networking through a eth-wifi converter[19:16:06] <koki_haiku> got the projector going too[19:16:09] <koki_haiku> so, we are ready[19:16:13] <mmlr> nice[19:19:36] <Stargater> nice[19:19:42] <Stargater> wb koki_haiku[19:20:15] <mmlr> over here everything is quiet - berlios is down, so no commits, no haiku-bugs list :-/[19:20:21] *** Thom_Holwerda has quit IRC[19:20:34] <DeadYak> haiku-bugs still works[19:21:13] <mmlr> it does?[19:21:27] <mmlr> thought it was a berlios list[19:21:32] <DeadYak> nope[19:21:34] <DeadYak> that's our server[19:21:38] <DeadYak> dev.haiku-os.org is fine[19:21:55] <umccullough> DeadYak, the haiku-bugs mailing list is dow[19:21:57] <umccullough> down[19:22:01] <umccullough> it's hosted by berlios[19:22:19] <umccullough> the notifications still work from trac though apparently[19:23:04] <umccullough> assuming you're actually cc'd on a bug :)[19:23:17] *** clsk has quit IRC[19:23:18] <mmlr> yeah, exactly I meant the bugs list[19:23:42] <mmlr> no bugs in haiku as long as berlios is down ;-)[19:23:48] <umccullough> yeah, without the bug list or commit list - been really quiet in my inbox ;)[19:25:26] *** leszek has quit IRC[19:27:33] *** leszek has joined #haiku[19:31:21] <oco> if the mailling list is down, i have to manually notify this new bug : http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/2065 :-)[19:32:22] <mmlr> oco: sadly this doesn't work for commits ;-)[19:33:15] <DeadYak> umccullough: commits is kind of a moot point since you can't commit either :)[19:34:19] <DeadYak> err[19:34:22] <DeadYak> why did I think he said that...[19:34:27] * DeadYak needs coffee apparently[19:34:58] <DeadYak> mmlr: restart dialog smells of a race in the window setup code somewhere btw, but I haven't made any headway on figuring out where/why[19:35:08] <DeadYak> mmlr: the fact that I only see it about once out of every 20 boots doesn't help :)[19:35:42] <DeadYak> interesting[19:35:46] <mmlr> DeadYak: yeah, it seems really random - I tried to reproduce it with opening just a huge number of terminals[19:35:48] <DeadYak> that's never broken that way on my box before[19:36:18] <mmlr> how does it look for you then?[19:36:33] <DeadYak> the window stretches infinitely off the screen[19:37:22] <DeadYak> ergo I don't even see the buttons or anything, just a gray window all the way up and down[19:37:34] <DeadYak> probably related though :)[19:37:43] <DeadYak> I wonder....[19:37:46] <mmlr> I saw that one once too, but my window was just extremly high[19:38:03] <DeadYak> mmlr: I tried dragging it by the edge for close to a minute, I never found the top of the window[19:38:19] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[19:38:32] <DeadYak> I wonder......[19:39:07] <DeadYak> I just remembered, I've seen a similar bug in BeOS a long time ago that occurred because the app started constructing windows and such before the BApplication::ReadyToRun() hook was called[19:39:56] <mmlr> the screenshots were done on a quadcore for the terminal and on a dualcore for the restart dialog, so some kind of synchronization problem/race condition wouldn't surprise me[19:40:09] <DeadYak> mmlr: single core with no HT here and I've seen it[19:40:42] <DeadYak> hm, no, Terminal waits until ReadyToRun[19:40:45] <DeadYak> so I guess it's not that[19:41:09] <mmlr> it's probably something with communication between the app and the app_server[19:41:15] <DeadYak> sounds possible[19:41:39] <mmlr> the fonts height is just very tiny it seems, so the menu is all shrinked[19:42:03] <mmlr> the menu worked by the way I just couldn't see what exactly I selected ;-)[19:42:14] <DeadYak> interesting[19:42:36] <mmlr> one could try to intentionally break that communication to see if it looks the same?[19:42:53] <DeadYak> I'm actually looking as to where that stuff gets initialized now[19:43:59] <mmlr> I'd say in src/kits/interface/InterfaceDefs.cpp[19:44:13] <mmlr> there's _init_interface_kit_ that calls _init_global_fonts_()[19:44:26] <mmlr> but I don't know if this is system global or per application[19:44:40] <DeadYak> per app in theory[19:44:53] *** MauriceK has quit IRC[19:45:28] <DeadYak> _init_global_fonts is in Font.cpp ... looking[19:46:15] <DeadYak> mmlr: I'm curious, how consistently can you reproduce that?[19:46:27] <mmlr> not consistently at all[19:46:31] <DeadYak> ah[19:46:42] <mmlr> it happens like every 50 boots or so[19:46:43] <DeadYak> the reason I ask is:[19:46:44] <DeadYak> if (link.FlushWithReply(code) != B_OK[19:46:44] <DeadYak> || code != B_OK) {[19:46:44] <DeadYak> printf("DEBUG: Couldn't initialize global fonts!\n");[19:46:44] <DeadYak> return;[19:46:44] <DeadYak> }[19:46:52] <DeadYak> would be interesting to see if that printf gets tripped..[19:46:58] <DeadYak> since there's no return from that function indicating it failed[19:47:53] <mmlr> I just broke that function by returning emmideatly and will see in QEMU how it looks...[19:48:00] <DeadYak> k[19:48:09] *** koki_haiku has quit IRC[19:48:12] <mmlr> hmm[19:48:16] <mmlr> that's funny[19:48:34] <DeadYak> what is?[19:48:47] <mmlr> it looks not at all like it - fonts are just small and the spacing is wired[19:48:58] <DeadYak> ah[19:48:59] <mmlr> and the desktop seems to use a serif font[19:50:15] <DeadYak> so I guess that's not it..[19:51:03] <mmlr> looks like that: http://haiku.mlotz.ch/haiku_without_global_fonts.png[19:51:30] <DeadYak> well, with respect to the menus specifically, there's also get_menu_info() in Menu.cpp[19:52:02] <mmlr> actually I think it is not that it does not get any font info, but that the info it gets is broken[19:52:09] <DeadYak> ah[19:52:14] <DeadYak> that would point fingers at the app_server itself[19:52:17] <mmlr> if you look at the restart dialog it also has messed up spacing[19:52:35] * DeadYak nods[19:53:36] <mmlr> that's in src/servers/app/ServerApp.cpp -> AS_GET_SYSTEM_FONTS[19:53:45] <DeadYak> yep, looking through that now[19:54:16] <mmlr> if the locking fails it still returns B_OK?[19:54:25] <DeadYak> yeah, I noticed that too[19:54:32] <DeadYak> but if that happens, it should result in the same thing you're seeing right now[19:54:37] <DeadYak> not the behavior in your screenshot[19:54:42] <DeadYak> er..[19:54:42] <DeadYak> wait.[19:54:44] <DeadYak> no[19:54:50] <mmlr> it would read data that is not there[19:54:59] <DeadYak> until some other message gets sent...[19:55:11] <DeadYak> pretty sure ServerLink is synchronous anyways[19:55:16] <DeadYak> ok, that's not good[19:55:29] <mmlr> why ever locking would fail is the other question then[19:55:34] <DeadYak> that too[19:56:09] <DeadYak> Window.cpp:// IMPORTANT: nested LockSingleWindow()s are not supported (by MultiLocker)[19:56:31] <mmlr> but that should then just deadlock, shouldn't it?[19:56:37] <DeadYak> in theory[19:56:43] <DeadYak> LockSingleWindow is trivial though[19:56:50] <DeadYak> actually[19:56:56] <DeadYak> there are two versions of it based on an ifdef[19:57:10] <mmlr> well it could daedlock without having further impact as it's just the apps communication thread[19:57:31] <DeadYak> looks like it's trying to grab a Read lock off the multilocker..[19:57:41] <DeadYak> USE_MULTI_LOCKER is defined in the rev in svn anyways[19:58:34] *** Thom_Holwerda has joined #haiku[20:01:16] *** mmlr_ has joined #haiku[20:01:24] <mmlr_> argh, my BeOS just KDLed[20:01:30] <DeadYak> :/[20:01:35] *** mmlr has quit IRC[20:01:49] <mmlr_> I think it must be a conspiracy and it tries to hide the solution to that bug from me...[20:01:51] <DeadYak> I'm wondering why MultiLocker maintains a separate count from that of the sem[20:02:04] <DeadYak> for multiread single write it could just use the semaphore's count directly[20:02:07] *** mmlr_ is now known as mmlr[20:02:21] <DeadYak> that's almost asking to get out of sync[20:02:44] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[20:02:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[20:02:56] <stpere> bonjour mmu_man :)[20:04:28] <mmlr> DeadYak: ;-)[20:04:41] <mmlr> DeadYak: just replyed to stippi too[20:05:17] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[20:05:23] <DeadYak> hah[20:05:36] <DeadYak> mmlr: I'm thinking app_server's Multilocker impl could quite possibly be the culprit here[20:07:20] <mmlr> DeadYak: anything specific that you have in mind concerning MultiLocker?[20:07:58] <DeadYak> mmlr: well, it seems to use several different vars to try and track how many people are waiting and such, independently of the actual locking sem itself...I'm not sure the way it's doing all of this is necessarily atomic/safe[20:08:29] <DeadYak> especially the way it handles fReadCount could be problematic[20:08:48] <DeadYak> it seems as if you could use the semaphore's count value to do this directly without needing to keep the others in sync here[20:09:27] <DeadYak> i.e. create the sem with value max_concurrent_readers, have WriteLock/Unlock acquire/release by that much, ReadLock/Unlock acquire/release by 1[20:10:15] <mmlr> seems this class comes from be sample code... hmm is that a good or a bad sign?[20:10:35] <JonathanThompson> Don't trust it without thoroughly vetting it ;)[20:10:47] <JonathanThompson> I've seen Be Sample code that I wouldn't touch.[20:11:03] <DeadYak> I'm especially suspicious of the LARGE_NUMBER stuff[20:11:16] <DeadYak> though it seems unlikely you'd hit that, it's not impossible[20:11:17] <mmlr> yeah, that looked strange to me too at first glance[20:12:39] <DeadYak> the way it adds/subtracts from fReadCount in particular, if you try to grab a write lock it subtracts LARGE_NUMBER from the count, while each reader adds 1[20:12:52] <DeadYak> with the theoretical premise that if readcount is < 0 after atomic_add, the writer has it[20:12:59] <DeadYak> but a large enough number of readers would screw that check[20:13:00] <JonathanThompson> Is the count surrounded by its own mutex/semaphore?[20:13:11] <DeadYak> nope, but it's manipulated with atomic_add and friends[20:13:50] <mmlr> hmm - wait a second, we're probably looking at the wrong thing here though[20:13:57] <DeadYak> why's that?[20:14:09] <mmlr> I just broke the app_server part so that it returns B_OK but without data[20:14:32] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[20:14:33] <mmlr> it looks exactly the same, as the init_fonts stuff does a while (link.readstring)[20:14:52] <mmlr> so not returning anything will have the same effect as returning an error code[20:15:06] <DeadYak> well, it seems as if it would be dependent on exactly what messages happen to be requested right around the same time elsewhere[20:15:26] <mmlr> true[20:15:45] <mmlr> but I suspect that the link reader will not allow readstrings across multiple "messages"[20:16:54] <DeadYak> looks like it doesn't indeed[20:17:00] <DeadYak> if (fPosition + size > fAttachStart + fAttachSize) {[20:17:00] <DeadYak> // read past end of buffer[20:17:00] <DeadYak> return B_BAD_VALUE;[20:17:00] <DeadYak> }[20:17:06] <mmlr> yep[20:17:25] <mmlr> so the only thing possible if it comes from that function would be bogus data returned[20:18:31] *** Euver has joined #haiku[20:19:08] <DeadYak> let's see..[20:19:09] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[20:19:12] <DeadYak> when does the FontManager get loaded...[20:19:45] <mmlr> well[20:19:50] <mmlr> that must be it[20:20:06] <mmlr> I just broke the app_server response to always return 1.0 as font size[20:20:34] <mmlr> the tracker and deskbar look as expected with a very tiny font[20:20:50] <mmlr> but the terminal and the buttons in the restart dialog have the normal size[20:21:11] <DeadYak> the menu font is separate isn't it?[20:21:45] <stpere> so, terminal isn't using system font?[20:21:49] <stpere> hmm[20:21:58] <DeadYak> btw, I think the restart dialog is created when the registrar starts up[20:22:12] <DeadYak> I noticed that when it was trashed here, if I cancelled and reinvoked it was identical every time[20:22:13] * stpere tries to follow conversation even if he don'T know much on the topic :)[20:22:20] <DeadYak> so it seems more like it hide/shows it rather than recreating it on demand[20:22:39] <mmlr> that with the menu font is true of course[20:22:47] <Stargater> we can i set a biger font in a button ?[20:23:01] <DeadYak> buttons use be_plain_font I believe[20:23:09] <DeadYak> let me check[20:23:26] <Stargater> i need biger font size :-) in the button[20:23:35] <mmlr> stpere: userland debugging is not one of my areas either ;-)[20:23:38] *** bSON has quit IRC[20:24:17] <stpere> :)[20:24:35] <DeadYak> odd.....[20:25:07] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[20:25:33] <DeadYak> interestingly, BControl does some odd stuff[20:25:36] <DeadYak> that wouldn't affect your menu though[20:26:29] * DaaT pets DeadYak[20:26:48] *** koki_haiku has joined #haiku[20:27:07] <mmlr> koki_haiku: you're on and off a bit it seems[20:27:45] *** aroman has quit IRC[20:27:53] <DaaT> hey mml[20:28:04] <mmlr> hi DaaT[20:28:42] *** koki_haiku has quit IRC[20:30:03] * DaaT is playing Mario Kart Wii[20:30:11] <DaaT> fun stuff[20:30:52] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[20:30:57] <mmu_man> svn down ??[20:31:02] <mmlr> yes[20:31:08] <mmu_man> ah[20:31:10] *** bombuzal has quit IRC[20:31:13] <mmlr> the whole day long...[20:31:25] <mmlr> also the webservers and lists[20:31:39] <mmu_man> webserver works here[20:31:46] <mmu_man> atleast homepage[20:31:47] <mmlr> www.berlios.de?[20:31:59] <mmu_man> ah didn't tryt hat one[20:33:57] <mmlr> I wonder what happens to the image files over at haiku-files.org when there is no new revision for a whole day ;-)[20:34:07] <mmu_man> dunno[20:42:14] <Stargater> hmm buttons and Control.h have not a SetFontSize()[20:42:27] <Stargater> :([20:43:08] *** mats| has joined #haiku[20:43:51] <mmlr> Stargater: yeah, but BControl is BView based which has a SetFont() method[20:44:41] *** _Lucretia_ has quit IRC[20:45:31] <Barrett666> hola everybody[20:45:47] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[20:45:54] *** _Lucretia_ has joined #haiku[20:45:58] <DHowett> hola, Barrett666[20:46:03] <stpere> hi Barrett666[20:46:20] <DHowett> _Lucretia_: Just per chance, random question.. are you a fan of Andrew Eldritch? (SoM)[20:48:47] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[20:48:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[20:49:12] <Stargater> thx mmlr[20:49:35] <Barrett666> =)[20:59:12] *** mmadia has quit IRC[20:59:52] *** mats has quit IRC[21:01:14] *** wildur_ has joined #Haiku[21:06:28] *** HaikuwareDev has joined #Haiku[21:07:10] <HaikuwareDev> hello[21:07:48] <mmlr> hi[21:08:20] <HaikuwareDev> i'm testing out the new developers edition[21:08:25] <HaikuwareDev> i'm not a developer though[21:08:46] <HaikuwareDev> the potential of this OS excites me alot[21:09:20] <Thom_Holwerda> good to hear[21:09:39] <HaikuwareDev> any big news going on behind the scenes?[21:09:56] <DHowett> Well, apart from that tragic orphanage accident ...[21:10:15] <Thom_Holwerda> DHowett: who died?[21:10:46] <DHowett> *shrugs* now i'm just makin' stuff up =[[21:10:50] <DaaT> hi HaikuwareDev[21:10:50] <DeadYak> I think he was joking[21:10:51] <DaaT> Thom_Holwerda![21:11:01] <Thom_Holwerda> DeadYak: of course i was[21:11:02] <mmu_man> the svn server died :p[21:11:05] <Thom_Holwerda> was just playing along[21:11:08] <Thom_Holwerda> DaaT![21:11:20] <Thom_Holwerda> ICO is horribly out of date[21:11:21] <DHowett> mmu_man: It.. it was alive until recently?[21:11:46] <DeadYak> it's been down all day[21:11:49] <HaikuwareDev> isn't svn the repository for versions or something?[21:12:02] <Thom_Holwerda> HaikuwareDev: yup.[21:12:06] <HaikuwareDev> damn i need to change my name[21:12:39] <DeadYak> easy enough :)[21:12:44] <Barrett666> lol[21:13:00] <HaikuwareDev> i haven't used irc in over 10 years[21:13:12] <HaikuwareDev> name #?[21:13:19] <Thom_Holwerda> HaikuwareDev: /nick NAME[21:13:19] <HaikuwareDev> or is it nick or something[21:13:24] <HaikuwareDev> lol, thanks[21:13:28] *** HaikuwareDev is now known as mikedoth[21:13:48] <Thom_Holwerda> mikedoth: where did you learn about haiku?[21:14:37] <mikedoth> well, after playing with linux now for two years i got sick of it's scattered way of doing things, found haiku and it seems like it's the best open source desktop out there[21:14:52] <mikedoth> i'm telling anyone and everyone about it[21:14:52] <Thom_Holwerda> ok[21:15:29] <mikedoth> sucks that i'm not a programmer but it seems like it's getting attention from developers because i'm seeing good things lately[21:15:29] <Thom_Holwerda> in a way, we are in the same business then :P[21:15:32] *** DaaT has quit IRC[21:15:43] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[21:16:02] <Thom_Holwerda> DaaT got pwnd by peer[21:16:14] <mikedoth> i still use linux a little (a server) but i can't even concider giving it to my friends and parents like i once thought[21:16:19] <DHowett> Fragged ;)[21:16:23] *** inseculous has joined #haiku[21:16:30] <mikedoth> i want something i can expect a company to build applications for[21:16:37] <mikedoth> and to be taken serious[21:16:48] <DeadYak> we're probably a ways away from that part :)[21:16:58] <Thom_Holwerda> yeah i was about to say[21:17:11] *** wildur has quit IRC[21:17:25] <mmlr> mikedoth: just a curious question: why did you pick the haikuware download?[21:17:31] <mikedoth> perhaps, but all good things come in time, and i'm willing to wait but help in whatever way i can[21:17:37] *** HeTo_beos has joined #haiku[21:17:48] <DaaT> Thom_Holwerda, nope. Switched off my laptop's wifi by accident :P[21:17:48] <mikedoth> why? because i wanted to see what extra's were in there[21:17:51] <mikedoth> in here...[21:18:01] <DeadYak> DaaT: suuuure :P[21:18:02] <Stargater> mmlr hehe i can make = a[i,s]->SetFontSize(54);[21:18:05] <DeadYak> DaaT: you mean your sheep did?[21:18:12] <Stargater> and its goes :-) funny beapi[21:18:47] <mikedoth> one of the biggest issues i had with linux is the UI oddly enough, no consistancy[21:18:52] * DaaT slaps DeadYak[21:18:55] <DeadYak> bbl here :)[21:19:32] <mikedoth> the UI of gnome apps vs qt started to piss me off[21:20:02] <DHowett> mikedoth: I s'pose that's why gtk-qt-engine came out.. to use qt for GTK+ apps.. it brings a LITTLE more sanity to the desktop[21:20:29] *** {V} has quit IRC[21:20:36] *** {V} has joined #haiku[21:21:16] <_Lucretia_> DHowett: my reflecton[21:21:19] <_Lucretia_> DHowett: my reflection[21:21:20] <_Lucretia_> bah[21:21:38] <mikedoth> perhaps, but that doesn't solve the biggest linux issue with distros[21:22:13] <DHowett> _Lucretia_: ... AWESOME. :)[21:22:20] <mikedoth> i'm sure software companies are laughing that there's multiple environments and different layouts to deal with[21:22:54] <mikedoth> with haiku, like xp and osx you have one, which i think will be appealing[21:23:36] <mmlr> if we can keep it that way[21:24:02] <mmlr> if distributions do nothing else but preload apps then it wouldn't be much of a problem though[21:24:14] <Thom_Holwerda> another one of those weird musings of mine, but would it be technically possible to combine e-ink technology with normal lcd tech? to create a hybrid display?[21:24:28] <Thom_Holwerda> so you can get normal fonts[21:24:37] <Thom_Holwerda> seeing i really dont like fonts on any platform[21:24:41] <Thom_Holwerda> i just hate some less[21:25:06] *** leszek_ has joined #haiku[21:25:12] *** leszek has quit IRC[21:25:18] <Stargater> mikedoth but gtk++ vs qt is not a linux problem, its distributor problem, e: when suse nevel ore fedora say = qt(kde) is our standard lib for UI[21:25:36] <mmlr> Thom_Holwerda: you'd certainly need drivers and OS support for that as you'd have to separate any text rendering from other drawing action[21:25:43] *** mikedoth has quit IRC[21:25:46] <Thom_Holwerda> yes obviously[21:26:01] <Thom_Holwerda> im more speaking about the hardware side of things[21:26:02] <Stargater> then have one problem -1 but +10 = community dont like on linux one desktop env :-)[21:26:27] <Stargater> osx have the problem , he have no problem[21:26:40] <DHowett> I think it'd be cool for OS-Independent transient system status overlays ;)[21:26:53] <Stargater> and vista have the problem its microsoft[21:27:29] <Stargater> and haiku have a bonus from beos = simply and clear and fast and good :-)[21:27:54] <Stargater> and we have not qt and gtk++ ore other ui libs :-)[21:28:06] <mmlr> haiku has the advatage of providing not only a kernel and leaving the rest to distros[21:28:17] <{V}> Thom_Holwerda, how do you want to combine e-ink and lcd technology?[21:28:30] <mmlr> so there aren't as many ways to alter the environment on a distro basis[21:28:33] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[21:28:46] <Thom_Holwerda> {V}: i dont know, im just musing if it would be technically possible[21:28:47] <mmlr> that makes or will make haiku easier to target[21:29:05] <Stargater> yes , but any linux distribution can this do too with linux and co , but he dont like give $ to develop a OS[21:29:29] <Stargater> so he dind what any distris do , he making a distribution + support more ore less[21:30:09] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[21:30:21] <Stargater> and haiku do develop a OS :-) (fantastico) :-)[21:30:33] <Stargater> i love haiku[21:30:38] <stpere> :)[21:30:47] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[21:30:50] <Stargater> thanks all developers[21:30:55] <stpere> I'm trying to convince my brother to try haiku[21:31:00] <{V}> Thom_Holwerda, I doubt it. At least not with the E-ink from Philips. There are other electronic ink technologies out there (that I'm not really familiar with)[21:31:05] <stpere> he's a computer engineer[21:31:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[21:31:48] <Stargater> screem = YOU USED HAIKU NOW AND EVER[21:31:51] <Thom_Holwerda> {V}: you'd need some way of letting the ink do its thing in a fully transparent layer[21:32:25] <Thom_Holwerda> i'd say that ought to be possible in some way[21:33:31] <{V}> Thom_Holwerda, not only that, it would have to become transparent for when a e-ink pixel isn't black, to allow the LCD colour to shine through[21:34:03] <Thom_Holwerda> {V}: another issue is coloured text[21:34:16] <{V}> absolutely[21:34:30] <Thom_Holwerda> it's interesting though[21:34:47] <{V}> hoping that they can up the resolution and speed of e-ink will be more viable, I think[21:37:36] <{V}> (and absolutely fantastic when they do!)[21:51:51] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[21:53:37] *** zlominus_ has joined #haiku[21:53:40] *** breihan has joined #haiku[21:54:37] <emitrax> hi[21:54:42] <stpere> hi emitrax[21:54:53] <emitrax> what app do I need in order to view a pdf on Haiku ?[21:55:29] *** zlominus has quit IRC[21:55:54] <DHowett> does BePDF work on Haiku? O.o[21:55:57] <mmlr> emitrax: BePDF -> http://bebits.com/app/1438[21:56:10] <mmu_man> sure it does[21:56:11] <emitrax> why is not in Haiku by default?[21:56:23] <mmu_man> we don't have it as optional package yet ?[21:56:42] <emitrax> it shouldn't be optional[21:57:00] <emitrax> there should be a pdf viewer in Haiku by default in my opinion :)[21:57:01] <umccullough> that's like saying that Vision or Pe shouldn't be optional ;)[21:57:08] <emitrax> like Vision and Pe[21:57:12] <emitrax> I agree.[21:57:24] <umccullough> Vision is actually compiled native for Haiku - the others, not so much[21:57:27] <stpere> hmm.. Windows doesn'T come with pdf viewer by default[21:57:27] <mmlr> in an eventual distribution these will certainly be present[21:57:38] <mmu_man> windows isn't a reference :)[21:57:46] <stpere> agreed :)[21:57:51] <emitrax> Haiku attracked me for the work "best defaults settings/options" and I thought applications where included :)[21:57:54] <mmlr> the default currently just includes stuff that is in the tree[21:58:15] <emitrax> I don't want to go around to grab things and install it[21:58:23] <umccullough> then build a distro! :)[21:58:30] <{V}> I don't think it should be a seperate application if it is made part of haiku (non-distro)[21:58:33] <umccullough> you can add them to your userbuildconfig anyway[21:58:35] <emitrax> mmlr: I hate the work distribution. It sounds like linux[21:58:37] <emitrax> word*[21:58:56] <stpere> well, that's what it is :)[21:58:58] <umccullough> it sounds like linux because they have a ton of them[21:59:02] <umccullough> that's all[21:59:44] *** leavengood has joined #haiku[21:59:56] <leavengood> 'lo folks[22:00:00] <{V}> a should be a translator if it's included in Haiku[22:00:07] <{V}> 'lo leavengood[22:00:12] *** HeTo_beos has quit IRC[22:00:28] <emitrax> I'm too lazy to downloed it, there is not even a broswer.[22:00:38] <emitrax> by the way, how the webkit porting ended up ?[22:00:46] <leavengood> hey does anyone know of an archive of old BeOS demo code anywhere?[22:00:47] <mmadia> I'm going to build a new operating system... Unbunku ... it'll be Haiku with a Ubuntu theme (joking) : P[22:00:51] <leavengood> emitrax: I am still working on it[22:01:00] <emitrax> oh there you are :)[22:01:12] <emitrax> any chance you can make a status update?[22:01:18] <mmu_man> Haikuntu ?[22:01:51] <mmadia> no' that'd bet Ubuntu w/a Haiku theme.... eg Zebuntu ; )[22:01:55] <leavengood> emitrax: the project has been stalled for a while because I was doing some Haiku, Inc. stuff and the other developer (Andrea Anzani mainly) have been working on other things too[22:02:10] *** tradewind has joined #haiku[22:02:11] <umccullough> Ubaiku[22:02:47] <leavengood> I was thinking of calling a Ruby library for accessing the Haiku API Haikuby[22:02:54] <leavengood> horribly obvious, but hey[22:03:11] <mmadia> leavengood any chance up putting that svn up for public consumption?[22:03:49] <leavengood> mmadia: my WebKit port already is on a public SVN, I just haven't advertised it[22:04:35] <leavengood> but it is horribly out of date from the main project, and I plan to switch to a Git repo to make things easier (for me at least) and then start getting my port code back in to the main project[22:04:48] *** HeTo_beos has joined #haiku[22:05:52] <leavengood> does anyone know about a BeOS demo code archive?[22:06:11] <leavengood> to help get myself back into Haiku development I was going to clean up and update some old demos[22:06:22] <mmlr> demo code as in sample code?[22:06:27] <umccullough> is that stuff that came with R5 pro?[22:06:28] <leavengood> er yeah[22:06:44] <umccullough> i think it's all on bebits :)[22:06:45] <leavengood> hmmm, I may have that on my BeOS max install then[22:06:56] <umccullough> http://bebits.com/app/3019[22:06:58] <mmlr> http://bebits.com/app/3019[22:07:02] <leavengood> ah yes[22:07:03] <mmlr> ;-)[22:07:09] <leavengood> I was searching for demo code :/[22:07:10] <leavengood> hehe[22:08:11] <leavengood> thanks this will do[22:08:37] * umccullough goes back outside to finish painting[22:09:25] <leavengood> are there any postings or forum topics about updating the sample code?[22:09:34] <leavengood> I would like to read ideas or suggestions first[22:09:37] <leavengood> if there are any[22:09:43] <leavengood> does this seem like a good idea?[22:10:41] <Thom_Holwerda> bwahahahhaha, priceless - im using mandriva atm... when you want to add the k menu to the kde panel[22:10:42] <leavengood> the idea would be to take the sample code and go through it bit by bit, make it compile for Haiku, change the coding style to match Haiku, maybe use some new Haiku features (layout system) and then publish the code on gittorius.org or something[22:10:47] <Thom_Holwerda> it uses the ubuntu logo[22:10:52] <Thom_Holwerda> EPIC FAIL[22:10:54] <Thom_Holwerda> lol[22:10:55] <leavengood> heh[22:11:46] <emitrax> does anybody know who owns the right of this videos -> http://youtube.com/watch?v=9eMGbDJmgv0 ?[22:11:58] * DaaT slaps Thom_Holwerda for using the term "epic fail"[22:12:05] <emitrax> if they are legal, it'd be nice to have them linked from the website[22:12:09] <Thom_Holwerda> what did i do[22:14:35] <leavengood> emitrax: I definitely have seen that video before and have a copy somewhere[22:15:01] <leavengood> I'm not sure if we need to have a link from the web-site[22:15:12] <emitrax> I'm wondering if it is legal to have it on youtube[22:15:32] <leavengood> that is youtube's problem...they will take it down if someone complains[22:15:42] <leavengood> but I doubt that will happen[22:15:47] <emitrax> why not? it's quite interesting for newcomers who have never heard of BeOS[22:16:09] *** thotypous has joined #haiku[22:16:09] <leavengood> just as long as it is shown to be something like "this is our heritage"[22:16:10] *** bogomipz has quit IRC[22:16:39] <leavengood> Haiku should live on based on its own merits too, not just that it is heavily inspired by BeOS[22:27:59] *** mmlr has quit IRC[22:31:11] <leavengood> has anyone else noticed that Magnify now shows the cursor?[22:31:24] <leavengood> I guess that is related to some changes stippi made[22:31:37] <leavengood> it is kind of annoying if you really are trying to use Magnify for something[22:31:47] *** Thom_Holwerda has quit IRC[22:33:27] <emitrax> where do I get the haiku t-shirt ?[22:35:50] <Barrett666> yeah[22:35:51] <emitrax> haiku store.. didn't see that[22:36:42] <emitrax> now that the dollar is quite cheap I can buy it :)[22:37:05] <DHowett> pfft :P[22:39:21] *** aroman has joined #haiku[22:41:30] <emitrax> don't know whether to send it home or here[22:41:49] <emitrax> it tooks two months for the gsoc t-shirt to get to my address from USA[22:44:29] *** burfi has left #haiku[22:45:41] <cps1966> i want a pocket -t[22:45:54] <leavengood> pocke[22:46:01] <leavengood> there[22:51:03] *** Stargater has quit IRC[22:51:30] *** _Megaf has joined #Haiku[22:52:05] <stpere> oooh, Haiku mug :)[22:52:34] *** {V} has quit IRC[22:52:36] *** Stargater has joined #haiku[22:52:44] *** {V} has joined #haiku[22:54:18] *** clsk has joined #haiku[22:54:37] *** mmadia has quit IRC[22:55:07] *** Stargater has quit IRC[22:55:09] *** Stargater has joined #haiku[22:57:01] *** _Megaf has quit IRC[22:57:14] *** Euver has quit IRC[22:59:14] *** Thom_Holwerda has joined #haiku[23:03:12] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[23:05:01] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[23:11:02] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[23:11:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[23:12:40] *** HaikuwareDev has joined #Haiku[23:12:54] *** HaikuwareDev is now known as mikedoth[23:16:39] *** treohelf has joined #haiku[23:17:03] <treohelf> hi :)[23:18:02] <treohelf> bleh. bbl[23:18:05] *** treohelf has quit IRC[23:19:33] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[23:19:57] *** HeTo_beos has quit IRC[23:24:57] <emitrax> quick question: anyone can explain me why there is a next_state field in the thread structure?[23:25:42] <emitrax> same for next_priority[23:27:16] <Stargater> hey emitrax[23:27:22] <Stargater> emitrax = http://tm.kaldience.com/dir/members/stargater/bilder/memory_shots/memory001.png[23:27:45] <emitrax> Stargater: what's that ?[23:27:54] *** HaikuwareDev has joined #Haiku[23:28:05] <Stargater> i code a memory game for haiku[23:28:21] <Stargater> ok for me first , to learn[23:29:01] <Stargater> but not finish , some stuff mast i code now[23:29:15] <emitrax> I see you are running it on Zeta[23:29:21] <emitrax> does it work on Haiku ?[23:29:24] *** HaikuwareDev has quit IRC[23:29:25] *** mikedoth has quit IRC[23:30:10] <Stargater> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_%28game%29[23:30:31] <Stargater> emitrax give mi 10 min, i boot in haiku and compile it :-) and make a shot[23:30:36] *** Stargater has quit IRC[23:31:19] *** Arelis has quit IRC[23:34:52] *** siarzhuk has quit IRC[23:36:59] *** clsk has quit IRC[23:37:48] *** {V} has quit IRC[23:37:57] *** {V} has joined #haiku[23:38:34] <mmu_man> ok, I hope that should be enough for axel to figure out why dumping xemacs fails[23:39:48] <mmu_man> ouch[23:40:10] <mmu_man> the "more" like feature in kdl is done in a really nasty way[23:40:20] *** Stargater has joined #haiku[23:40:21] <Stargater> re[23:40:22] <mmu_man> "press a key to continue or q to quit"[23:40:41] <Stargater> emitrax http://tm.kaldience.com/data/php/dir.php?dir=/dir/members/stargater/bilder/memory_shots[23:40:41] <mmu_man> actually pressing q just skips displaying the data but lets the command continue[23:41:20] *** slaad has joined #haiku[23:41:26] <emitrax> hi slaad![23:41:35] <slaad> Beep.[23:41:48] <slaad> So... is it just me, or is Berlios down?[23:41:48] <mmu_man> now I just need to wait for the 1748515 tracing entries to be dumped out[23:41:53] <mmu_man> slaad it is[23:41:57] <mmu_man> the whole day[23:41:58] <slaad> Poop.[23:42:13] <slaad> Yeah, I've been periodically trying to svn up since I left last night.[23:42:20] <mmu_man> jeee, I'm just at 10000 now[23:42:32] <mmu_man> will take a week or so I suppose[23:44:45] <umccullough> slaad, i warned you just before you left :)[23:45:04] <umccullough> well, actually - i wished you "good luck" - but... :D[23:45:13] <mmu_man> ok takes 30s to dump 1000 entries[23:45:15] <slaad> Ahar.[23:45:28] <slaad> I was like "Why would I need luck to svn up? Sheesh! " :P[23:45:45] <mmu_man> $ echo $((1748515/1000*30/60/60))[23:45:46] <mmu_man> 14[23:45:50] <mmu_man> 14 hours :-([23:46:18] <slaad> Is svn info a local operation?[23:46:26] <umccullough> yes[23:46:45] <slaad> Ahar, so it is.[23:46:53] <slaad> What was the revision which unbroke USB on BeOS?[23:47:00] <umccullough> most everything is local except co and up[23:47:09] <umccullough> you can revert even[23:47:28] <umccullough> and diff[23:47:42] <umccullough> hang, on, i'll get you that rev :)[23:47:53] <slaad> I think it just gets a little hard to tell as everything seems a bit slower than I'm used to due to the size of the Haiku depot.[23:48:04] <mmu_man> ok I won't want 14h[23:48:20] <slaad> Should be from 6 hours 20 ago, umccullough.[23:48:29] <slaad> What're you timing?[23:48:29] <umccullough> 24894[23:48:57] <umccullough> but there were a couple followups[23:49:02] <slaad> Sweet. I have 24908.[23:49:14] <mmu_man> slaad I've been tracing "make xemacs" to see why dumping panics bfs[23:49:21] <slaad> Ah[23:49:29] <mmu_man> I've set the tracing buffer to 100MB as axel said[23:49:47] <mmu_man> but dumping it all would take 14h via the laplink cable :p[23:50:03] <umccullough> there were some more usb checkins for 24920 and 24921[23:50:15] <DHowett> Yay, i have 24924 ;)[23:50:15] <DHowett> :P[23:50:31] <mmu_man> 24914[23:50:53] <mmu_man> but the athlon is more up to date[23:51:00] <umccullough> something broke firefox BONE builds :([23:51:03] <mmu_man> jeee my 'p' key is dying :([23:51:45] <umccullough> i was in the middle of an svn co last night when berlios died :([23:51:46] *** Euver has joined #haiku[23:51:49] <umccullough> one one of my linux boxes[23:51:52] <DHowett> ><[23:52:04] <umccullough> was getting the network drivers when it died[23:52:19] * umccullough broke it[23:55:09] <Stargater> n8[23:56:33] <{V}> goodnight Stargater[23:56:53] <{V}> bad umccullough :)