April 10, 2008 
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April 10, 2008 [00:00:58] *** koki_haiku has quit IRC[00:01:25] <emitrax> mmu_man: I'm trying to adapt usb_dev_info to display all alternate interace :)[00:02:05] *** wildur has quit IRC[00:02:37] *** wtracy has quit IRC[00:03:17] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[00:03:54] <Kokito> mmu_man, what do I need to add to your im_kit for haiku binary to use gtalk or msn?[00:04:18] <mmu_man> dunno, msn seemed to crash when I tried[00:04:31] *** daste has joined #haiku[00:04:36] <mmu_man> some ppl are trying to make a native build[00:04:54] <Kokito> mmu_man, installed your im_kit binary, and it runs, but there are no protocols.[00:05:40] <mmu_man> hmm maybe I missed some symlinks, I recall re zipping it, not sure I ftped the latest[00:07:45] <emitrax> Kokito: you better ping andrea.anzani as it contacted me with gtalk from haiku the other day[00:08:05] <emitrax> Kokito: tell him you need it for the conference[00:08:08] <Kokito> ok emitrax. grazie! :)[00:08:23] <emitrax> np[00:10:24] *** emitrax has quit IRC[00:21:46] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[00:33:58] <mmu_man> ugh[00:33:59] <mmu_man> KERN 'zsh'[133856]: loading user addon w/o app around![00:34:03] <mmu_man> BeOs is strange :)[00:35:03] <DeadYak> how the.. ?[00:35:19] <DeadYak> how did you manage that?[00:36:03] <mmu_man> zsh witgh dlopen[00:37:04] <DeadYak> ah[00:37:25] <DeadYak> I just don't get what "loading user addon w/o app around" could possibly mean[00:38:19] <Kokito> mmu_man, time to dump BeOS once and for all :P[00:38:19] <mmu_man> hmm it's probably a shared bin without _APP_ dependancy[00:38:26] <mmu_man> suppose so[00:39:24] *** rafael_ has quit IRC[00:41:33] <DeadYak> it's sad when you forget the actual capacity of your disk[00:41:49] <DeadYak> at first I looked at drivesetup after redoing things last night and thought I had an error because it said my second BFS was 157GB[00:42:11] <DeadYak> forgot that disk was 200 :)[00:42:18] *** bombuzal has quit IRC[00:42:46] <DeadYak> hmmm[00:43:03] <Kokito> LOL[00:43:20] <DeadYak> Axel's going to hate me...[00:43:36] <Kokito> why? you reported it as a bug?[00:44:22] *** Stargater has quit IRC[00:44:29] <DeadYak> no[00:44:42] *** oco has quit IRC[00:44:43] <DeadYak> just got a KDL that looks to be yet another in the saga of the block writer/notifier[00:48:19] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[00:52:31] *** luroh has quit IRC[00:55:03] *** bombuzal has joined #haiku[00:57:32] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[00:58:54] *** ozy` has joined #haiku[01:03:02] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[01:03:14] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[01:04:37] <mmu_man> we have to panic[01:04:42] <mmu_man> invalid run (0,0,0[01:04:45] <mmu_man> :([01:04:52] <mmu_man> still can't dump xemacs[01:05:05] *** HeTo- has quit IRC[01:05:52] <DeadYak> "dump"?[01:11:17] *** wtracy has joined #haiku[01:12:10] <mmu_man> dump = generate the final binary from the bare temacs bin + load of lisp files[01:12:13] *** UndeadYak has joined #haiku[01:12:13] <AnEvilYak> ah[01:12:14] <AnEvilYak> interesting[01:12:19] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[01:12:20] *** UndeadYak is now known as DeadYak[01:15:56] <AnEvilYak> funky, gdb has System/390 support?[01:16:46] *** dchis has quit IRC[01:38:01] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[01:49:54] <mmu_man> damn it's even slower with DEBUG[01:50:05] <mmu_man> but if I could at least get an sc[01:55:46] *** wtracy has quit IRC[02:04:06] *** TronDD has joined #haiku[02:06:00] *** TronDD has left #haiku[02:10:51] <DHowett> I can't figure out icon-o-matic, for the life of me. :P[02:11:19] <mmu_man> took me some time to get something done with it :p[02:11:30] <DHowett> Adding an object would be helpful :)[02:11:30] <DHowett> XD[02:12:10] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[02:15:41] *** HaikuwareUser has quit IRC[02:17:23] <DHowett> mmu_man: How do i add an object? Like. Any object at all. I tried ins. and clicking on everything. :P[02:18:40] <mmu_man> add a path, then a style, and a shape, then select a path and style for the shape[02:19:05] <DHowett> er, a path or shape would be the kind of object i'm referring to[02:19:41] <mmu_man> the "Path" string is a menu[02:19:52] <DHowett> oh! alright, thanks :)[02:20:45] <mmu_man> it's not really obvious until you actually click it :)[02:27:23] *** umccullough_work has joined #haiku[02:29:09] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[02:29:35] *** petterhj has quit IRC[02:30:52] <umccullough_work> DHowett, someone should put together a video demo of how to use Icon-o-matic ;)[02:30:57] <umccullough_work> preferably Stippi[02:33:19] <DHowett> Preferably stippi ;)[02:33:20] <DHowett> hehe[02:33:42] <Kokito> DHowett, there is one: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2008513940874112547[02:34:15] <umccullough_work> oh nice[02:34:23] <DHowett> awesome[02:35:17] <umccullough_work> clearly not done by Stippi though ;)[02:35:25] <umccullough_work> "the feather menu" :/[02:35:40] <DHowett> yeah ew[02:39:53] <umccullough_work> ah, done by leszek :)[02:41:38] <ari-free> why doesn't the deskbar say haiku[02:41:55] <umccullough_work> cuz that would be too much branding ;)[02:41:59] *** _Wiss has quit IRC[02:42:10] <umccullough_work> why does it need to?[02:42:17] <ari-free> what OS is this[02:42:21] <umccullough_work> exactly![02:42:35] <umccullough_work> subtle eh?[02:42:47] <ari-free> no don't tell me this is linux[02:43:15] <umccullough_work> well, it wouldn't matter if it said Haiku - someone thinking it was linux would just assume it was a distro called Haiku[02:43:40] <umccullough_work> wallpaper my friend.[02:44:00] <ari-free> everytime someone has a new os it turns out to be another linux distro[02:44:02] *** daste has quit IRC[02:44:25] <umccullough_work> how many OSes do you know that have their name on the taskbar?[02:44:46] <DHowett> Two or so. BeOS and Zeta.[02:44:46] <DHowett> :P[02:45:04] <ari-free> doesn't gnome have that gnome thingy[02:45:11] <umccullough_work> what, a logo?[02:45:17] <umccullough_work> a leaf is a symbolic logo...[02:45:42] <umccullough_work> it's distinctive, no other OS has it[02:46:04] <ari-free> thats a feather not a leaf[02:46:20] <umccullough_work> then, that's an issue.[02:47:33] <umccullough_work> granted, if you asked me why the leaf is blue, i wouldn't have an answer[02:47:43] <ari-free> feathers are blue[02:47:55] <umccullough_work> it was *meant* to be a leaf[02:48:05] <umccullough_work> clearly something has gone wrong along the way :)[02:48:13] <ari-free> very very wrong[02:50:31] <ari-free> let's get the kernel down first :)[02:50:46] <ari-free> we have to have some priorities[02:51:07] <ari-free> i was never a big fan of the BeOS GUI[02:51:24] <ari-free> especially tracker[02:52:24] <umccullough_work> funny, i just went back through all my emails - whenever someone referred to it as a feather/leaf (both at the same time) nobody every corrected them :D[02:52:35] <umccullough_work> at least, back through 2006[02:52:43] <umccullough_work> mphipps called it a blue leaf[02:52:49] <ari-free> what's the symbolism of the leaf anyway[02:52:57] <umccullough_work> nature[02:53:23] <DHowett> you.. you were never a fan of the BeOS GUI? What!?[02:53:28] <ari-free> go on...why nature[02:54:11] <umccullough_work> ari-free, you're asking me why nature was chosen? or why leaves relate to nature?[02:54:19] *** HaikuwareUser has joined #Haiku[02:54:36] <ari-free> why nature was chosen. i think it's quite obvious that leaves relate to nature[02:54:54] <ari-free> not so obvious why a computer operating system would have to do with nature[02:55:06] <umccullough_work> ok - I have to assume that it was due to the name Haiku - since the general topic of Haiku is nature[02:55:17] <ari-free> i thought haiku was poetry[02:55:22] <umccullough_work> usually about nature[02:55:41] <rennj> openbeos rocks![02:55:43] <rennj> hehe[02:56:00] <ari-free> i think there's something more there to it[02:56:03] <rennj> bah[02:56:07] <umccullough_work> from wikipedia:[02:56:09] <umccullough_work> "A haiku traditionally contains a kigo (season word) which symbolizes or intimates the season in which the poem is set with some reference to the natural world."[02:56:18] <ari-free> macosx, linux, windows...not natural[02:56:23] <umccullough_work> seasons...leaves, seems to be a link there i guess[02:56:56] <ari-free> something natural feels good. not disconnected[02:57:12] <ari-free> a consistent whole[02:57:13] <umccullough_work> sure - but you're working backwards I think from the origin :)[02:57:37] <umccullough_work> honestly, i don't know why the name Haiku was chosen in the first place - i was mostly a lurker at that point[02:58:04] <umccullough_work> i'm sure there are interrelationships - BeOS used Haiku for error messages[02:58:22] <umccullough_work> The Syllable OS had already been started, based on atheos, based on BeOS[02:58:32] <ari-free> japan has always been a big support for beos[02:58:42] <umccullough_work> sure, that too[02:59:06] <umccullough_work> i seem to recall some other names that were up for vote at that time[02:59:06] <ari-free> Sony and Hitachi I think were the only big companies that considered it[02:59:08] <umccullough_work> Firefly was one[02:59:17] <umccullough_work> Walter of course ;)[02:59:32] <ari-free> that i never got[02:59:34] <HaikuwareUser> well I think Toshiba was going to dual boot it but Microsoft put a stop to it[02:59:41] <umccullough_work> a joke...[03:00:09] <umccullough_work> HaikuwareUser, i dont' think it was toshiba... but one OEM definitely was involved[03:00:17] <ari-free> that was hitachi[03:00:21] <umccullough_work> yeah, probably[03:00:24] <umccullough_work> seems familiar[03:00:27] <umccullough_work> it was all detailed in the court papers[03:00:30] <ari-free> http://www.bedope.com/BeDC99/13.jpg[03:00:55] <ari-free> then was the evilla[03:01:02] <ari-free> by Sony[03:01:02] <HaikuwareUser> well they ended up including the R4 disk[03:01:08] <HaikuwareUser> so you could install it yourself[03:01:15] <HaikuwareUser> during win98 days[03:01:25] <HaikuwareUser> Be was advanced then[03:01:58] <ari-free> be was on a roll[03:02:10] <ari-free> that hitachi was the turning point[03:02:19] <ari-free> then everything went down from there[03:03:09] <ari-free> if they couldn't get hitachi to get BeOS installed then how would they make it anywhere[03:04:13] <HaikuwareUser> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6318?from=150&comments_per_page=50[03:05:02] <HaikuwareUser> Here it is[03:05:09] <HaikuwareUser> on a notebook[03:05:23] <umccullough_work> HaikuwareUser, that looks like a redhat on toshiba discussion[03:05:23] <HaikuwareUser> man I bet that machine was nice compared to Win9x[03:06:15] <umccullough_work> at that point in my life - I was already using NT4 for work :)[03:06:32] <umccullough_work> win2k shortly afterward[03:06:41] <umccullough_work> i only kept win9x on a partition for games :P[03:08:32] *** The_Ringmaster has joined #haiku[03:10:18] <HaikuwareUser> yeah if you moved the mouse.. "Windows has detected you have moved the mouse. you must restart your computer for these changes to take effect"[03:10:21] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[03:10:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[03:10:45] *** absabs has joined #haiku[03:10:57] <ari-free> in Vista, something else pops up every time i move my mouse[03:13:10] <HaikuwareUser> I think everyone at this point hates VIsta[03:13:29] <The_Ringmaster> it's usable[03:13:47] <The_Ringmaster> when you add all free software[03:14:22] <umccullough_work> heh, those new IBM Power 595's weigh almost 2 tons[03:14:23] <Kokito> my son loves vista[03:14:26] <mmu_man> no it's not[03:14:35] <mmu_man> even drivers thinks it's not windows[03:15:01] <mmu_man> "The software has detected the operating system is not microsoft windows"[03:15:13] <umccullough_work> sounds like a buggy driver :)[03:15:31] <mmu_man> (wonder how the installer runs then...:p)[03:15:37] <mmu_man> (ok, could have been wine)[03:15:54] <umccullough_work> or ReactOS[03:16:19] <mmu_man> hey, it's odd noone resurected BeWine yet[03:16:26] <umccullough_work> oh jeez[03:16:29] <mmu_man> I suppose it doesn't matter much anymore than it did at the time :p[03:16:40] <umccullough_work> i'm sure someone will try eventually[03:16:57] <ari-free> it was probably tied down to posix[03:17:12] <umccullough_work> actually, it relies on X[03:17:15] <DeadYak> it was tied down waiting on mmap and BONE iirc.[03:17:22] <DeadYak> + the X11 dep didn't help :)[03:17:27] <mmu_man> yes[03:17:51] *** The_Ringmaster has left #haiku[03:18:04] <DeadYak> though someone did come up with a pseudo-hack workaround for mmap I think[03:18:16] <umccullough_work> i suppose an X server emulation wouldn't be an absolutely horrible thing for Haiku to have[03:18:18] <DeadYak> might've been jbq even[03:18:28] <DeadYak> rootless X could be nice[03:18:30] <ari-free> but we have fewer problems now. i think be In just didn't like the idea of ports[03:18:32] <DeadYak> might also be much easier to implement now[03:18:39] <ari-free> they didn't want the os/2 sickness[03:19:00] <DeadYak> ari-free: nah, mmap() would've been useful for many other things, it would've required a bunch of work to support correctly though[03:19:25] <umccullough_work> these days, portable software is pretty important[03:19:28] <ari-free> but beyond mmap...[03:19:44] <DeadYak> who knows what hurdle they would've hit next..[03:19:47] <umccullough_work> when I look at the software I use every day, most of it is cross-platform[03:19:50] <DeadYak> they pretty much stopped because of that one[03:20:05] <DeadYak> and BeWine wasn't a Be, Inc. project anyways :)[03:20:25] <ari-free> well haiku devs weren't so crazy about the idea of a qt port[03:20:40] <umccullough_work> qt has a place also[03:21:01] *** HaikuwareUser has quit IRC[03:21:06] <umccullough_work> mmu_man, were you working on wxWidgets or was that someone else?[03:21:06] <ari-free> yeah but then you have all these apps with different libraries running around on your system[03:21:18] <umccullough_work> ari-free, only if they're ported :)[03:21:46] <ari-free> like a linux system[03:22:10] <mmu_man> I started but they I found wxbeos on http://developer.berlios.de/projects/wxbeos[03:22:30] <umccullough_work> ah, but it doesn't look active :([03:22:43] <DeadYak> ari-free: depends on how the library is implemented...if it's just a wrapper that uses the native stuff then I don't really have a gripe with it[03:22:49] <ari-free> http://www.freelists.org/archives/haiku-development/03-2008/msg00438.html[03:22:57] <DeadYak> it's when you're porting complete toolkits that draw their own widgets, etc. that I have a problem[03:23:37] <DeadYak> since those invariably wind up neither looking nor behaving like the host[03:23:38] <umccullough_work> yeah, that does get messy[03:23:47] <umccullough_work> firefox for example :P[03:23:54] <ari-free> Pixel better example[03:24:19] <ari-free> http://www.kanzelsberger.com[03:24:24] <DeadYak> well, I was talking more about porting libs like Qt rather than apps[03:24:31] <DeadYak> but yeah, Pixel doesn't even begin to try :)[03:25:30] * Kokito wonders why icon-o-matic needs a path and a shape to create an object...[03:26:39] <ari-free> now you have all these 'apps' on the internet[03:26:59] <ari-free> so everything is no laggier and even stranger UI[03:27:06] <ari-free> now[03:27:08] <DeadYak> don't get me started on web-based apps[03:27:30] <ari-free> but they don't have to be installed and you can use them from anywhere[03:27:57] <DeadYak> I'd rather be able to access the data from anywhere than the app[03:28:00] <ari-free> very easy to update[03:28:23] <DeadYak> sure and computationally orders of magnitude slower than an equivalent standalone app[03:28:32] <DeadYak> javascript + HTML = ridiculously inefficient for that kind of thing[03:28:56] <DeadYak> the concept's nice in theory, the current implementation is sucktastic[03:29:22] <ari-free> yes but this is where the market is because the benefits outweigh the negatives until someone else figures out a better way[03:29:35] <umccullough_work> for certain tasks, yes[03:30:08] <DeadYak> with all due respect, something like Google Writely doesn't hold a candle to any standalone word processor I've used feature-wise[03:30:11] <ari-free> who doesn't use gmail[03:30:14] <DeadYak> "You can use it anywhere!"[03:30:17] <DeadYak> "But I can't do jack with it!"[03:30:28] <umccullough_work> tasks that generally require internet access to use tend to make sense as websites[03:30:37] <umccullough_work> like browser mail clients[03:30:44] <umccullough_work> or google maps[03:30:46] <ari-free> it's been a while since i last touched a real email app[03:31:26] <umccullough_work> i still want the ability to be productive offline though :)[03:32:08] <ari-free> who is offline? when we had modems and had to log out to save money, offline made lots of sense[03:32:30] *** [Katisu]_laptop has joined #haiku[03:32:51] <DeadYak> if you've never had your ISP go down, then you're a very lucky person[03:32:53] <umccullough_work> I'm offline when my DSL goes out for a week[03:33:14] <ari-free> laptops. ok laptops i can understand[03:33:36] <ari-free> i'm rarely down[03:33:39] <stpere> night[03:33:42] <umccullough_work> i am not going to tie myself to the internet so heavily that it is required for me to get stuff done daily[03:34:16] <mmu_man> Kokito it's derived from wonderbrush which uses this model[03:34:20] <umccullough_work> when my power goes out for several days - I'm offline ... but I can still use the laptop and charge it in the car[03:34:34] <mmu_man> it allows reusing paths and styles to create multiple objecyts[03:34:40] <ari-free> it would be hard for me to go to the trouble of using an email app just for the hour or 2 something is up with the internet[03:35:02] *** HaikuwareUser has joined #Haiku[03:35:18] <ari-free> backup...absolutely. but not as primary system[03:36:17] <umccullough_work> there's also the security aspect of keeping everything you do on the internet[03:37:04] <ari-free> true[03:37:40] <DeadYak> that's my bigger gripe, I'm not sure if I'm comfortable with every last bit of my data being in someone else's technical control[03:37:49] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:38:11] <ari-free> people are doing taxes online...everything. it's a brave new World[03:38:27] <[Katisu]_laptop> what's worse is the merging of databases[03:38:46] <umccullough_work> i don't do my taxes online ;)[03:39:07] <DeadYak> I don't either[03:39:20] <[Katisu]_laptop> just because I give site A certain information doesn't mean I want site B to have the same information[03:39:33] <umccullough_work> or government C for that matter ;)[03:39:40] <umccullough_work> and security agency D[03:39:49] <[Katisu]_laptop> government C already has all my information[03:39:56] <umccullough_work> or hacker E[03:40:07] <umccullough_work> cracker[03:40:28] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[03:41:06] <[Katisu]_laptop> yeah, almost have to give up on that battle[03:41:30] <[Katisu]_laptop> press has misused the term hacker so often[03:41:31] <ari-free> I think we may have to redo the entire internet[03:41:38] *** burfi has left #haiku[03:41:40] <umccullough_work> agreed![03:41:43] <umccullough_work> web 2.0[03:41:45] <umccullough_work> oh...wait[03:41:48] <umccullough_work> 3.0![03:42:05] <ari-free> no we have to give it a name like haiku or something[03:42:24] * [Katisu]_laptop thought web 2.0 might lead to Enron 2.0[03:42:35] <[Katisu]_laptop> turns out the housing market lead to it[03:42:47] <ari-free> naaa web 2.0 led to facebook and myspace[03:42:53] <umccullough_work> even worse[03:42:58] <ari-free> much worse[03:43:26] <ari-free> people learned from enron episode[03:43:34] <[Katisu]_laptop> no they didn't[03:43:49] <DeadYak> more like, they tried to sweep it under the rug as much as they could[03:44:21] <[Katisu]_laptop> I don't think most people know why Enron collapsed in the first place[03:44:28] <ari-free> now the whole world is giving each other quizzes about their favorite underwear[03:45:08] <ari-free> the lesson is: don't put your life savings in any one stock[03:45:23] <[Katisu]_laptop> that was a lesson taught back in the 80's already[03:45:43] <MindChild> The lesson is: invest in Rent-a-cemetary-plot (tm)[03:45:50] <ari-free> you're right. nobody has learned.[03:46:04] <[Katisu]_laptop> not when a stock is thought to be hot[03:46:07] <ari-free> we are so screwed[03:46:11] <umccullough_work> seems to me that all we got from the Enron experience was SOX - and it SUCKS[03:46:34] <MindChild> I mean, think about it. After 20 or so years, the body is gone, and no one visits you anymore[03:46:37] <[Katisu]_laptop> yeah, and SOX doesn't address why Enron failed[03:46:38] <ari-free> "buy low sell high" we keep saying that and nobody ever listens[03:46:44] <MindChild> so why pay for a plot FOREVER? makes no sense[03:47:01] <[Katisu]_laptop> if anything, they just would have gone under earlier[03:47:21] <[Katisu]_laptop> when all the investors started pulling out earlier[03:47:31] <umccullough_work> when they failed audit after audit :)[03:47:52] <umccullough_work> and were fined millions by the SEC as a result[03:48:01] <umccullough_work> and their CEO went to jail[03:49:33] <[Katisu]_laptop> that's what I love about the employees who made $60,000+ complain[03:50:17] <[Katisu]_laptop> most of them weren't making that kind of money elsewhere[03:50:20] <ari-free> in NY, 60k is just getting by[03:57:15] <[Katisu]_laptop> they had tons of benefits too[03:57:43] <[Katisu]_laptop> typically had moving expenses paid[03:58:12] <[Katisu]_laptop> granted, I do pity the ones that were hired at the end, moved, and didn't get moving expenses paid[03:58:51] <[Katisu]_laptop> I seem to remember one that was from like Colorado and got billed ~$30K[03:59:23] *** pyCube has quit IRC[04:02:53] *** AlienSoldier has joined #haiku[04:07:21] *** Thom_Holwerda has quit IRC[04:24:55] *** MichaelHenry has quit IRC[04:26:24] *** leavengood has joined #haiku[04:26:47] <ari-free> hi[04:27:31] <leavengood> here is a design I was playing with for the back forward buttons (with shared history menu, ala IE7 and FF3) for my Haiku browser[04:27:40] <leavengood> http://ryanleavengood.com/files/back_forward.png[04:27:45] <leavengood> with different backgrounds[04:28:02] <leavengood> the only problem is the gradients make the arrows looks skewed at lower resolutions[04:28:07] <ari-free> first one[04:28:13] <leavengood> optical illusion[04:28:37] *** koki_haiku has joined #haiku[04:28:48] <ari-free> just copy firefox and make it native :)[04:28:50] <leavengood> hey koki_haiku[04:28:55] <DeadYak> tough call....[04:29:02] <koki_haiku> howdy leavengood[04:29:03] <DeadYak> I'd probably have to go with the first one too though[04:30:09] <leavengood> in theory if I could have a GUI renderer that could work like SVG the background color could be configurable[04:30:19] <leavengood> the only difference between those is that background pane[04:30:54] <leavengood> DeadYak: how about that middle drop-down ;)[04:31:01] <leavengood> to all: that was a DeadYak idea[04:31:09] <DeadYak> leavengood: nice :)[04:31:35] <leavengood> also I could get stippi involved for thr arrows maybe[04:31:49] <umccullough_work> i'll take a buttons with characters: < . > on them if the browser works :)[04:32:03] <leavengood> hehe[04:32:06] <DeadYak> umccullough_work: mmu_man could probably arrange that :P[04:32:17] * DeadYak wonders if webkit could render to an aa-lib backend[04:32:25] <umccullough_work> libcaca![04:32:42] <leavengood> DeadYak: LOL[04:32:50] <DeadYak> leavengood: can it? :D[04:32:51] <umccullough_work> that would be a fun way to watch youtube vids....hmmm[04:33:12] <leavengood> it would be quite a trick I think[04:33:14] <ari-free> make it easy on yourself. it was smart for haiku to use beOS as a reference point. you can just copy firefox[04:33:28] <leavengood> ari-free: hiss boo[04:33:39] <umccullough_work> well, for simplicity of UI - firefox isn't too bad[04:33:44] <leavengood> actually I do like the FF3 interface I saw on my friend's Mac[04:33:47] <leavengood> I should download it[04:33:52] <ari-free> try ff3[04:33:54] <ari-free> it's good[04:34:03] <ari-free> i like the ui features[04:34:17] <leavengood> yeah there are a lot of good points and I intend to copy quite some[04:34:41] <DeadYak> leavengood: get it right! s/copy/innovate/ :p[04:34:49] <leavengood> hehe[04:35:11] <ari-free> there are some popular addons to look at. i would not try to stick adblock in the browser but it should be an optional dload[04:35:13] <leavengood> all work and art is built on the back of giants, bla-dee-bla[04:35:32] <DeadYak> leavengood: I was being facetious :)[04:35:38] <ari-free> all the great masters started by copying the art of their teacher[04:35:46] <leavengood> ari-free: yeah the extension thing is definitely something I want to work on[04:35:55] <leavengood> but FF ones won't be usable[04:36:15] <leavengood> they are too tied to the Mozilla architecture (XPCOM, XUL, etc.)[04:36:16] <umccullough_work> something like adblock is an absolute must ;)[04:36:21] <leavengood> yeah[04:36:22] <ari-free> if adblock was built in, websites would just block the browser[04:36:33] <umccullough_work> doubtful[04:36:51] <DeadYak> considering how trivial it is to fake your browser ident string, good luck[04:36:56] <leavengood> for a while the Haiku browser would be a micro-drop in a big sea[04:37:10] <ari-free> it's why firefox will never include it[04:37:15] <leavengood> DeadYak: yeah that option is going in there[04:37:29] <umccullough_work> bah, opera isn't blocked and it has a similar feature built in[04:37:45] <ari-free> adblock much more effecive[04:37:53] <ari-free> i know...this was discussed[04:38:40] <umccullough_work> doesn't matter - as long as the Haiku browser has some add-on support - there will definitely be an adblock-like addon[04:38:42] <ari-free> adblock is continuously updated[04:38:50] <koki_haiku> I am modest: as a start, I would be happy with a webkit browser that has URL field, FWD/BACB buttons, BeOS-style bookmarks and printing.[04:38:57] <ari-free> oh of course. just make it optional[04:39:06] <umccullough_work> koki_haiku, yes, definitely[04:39:15] <leavengood> errr, printing[04:39:16] <umccullough_work> although, i could care less about bookmarks and printing ATM ;)[04:39:31] <koki_haiku> oh, and a way to set encoding :)[04:39:39] <ari-free> i want print on the context menu :)[04:39:48] <koki_haiku> leavengood: is printing support a major undertaking?[04:39:58] <leavengood> I'm not even sure[04:40:03] <umccullough_work> printing of webpages is tricky[04:40:04] * koki_haiku asks out of ignorance[04:40:11] <leavengood> but my gut says it may not be easy[04:40:25] <DeadYak> it gets especially tricky when iframes are involved[04:40:29] <umccullough_work> basically, the page is completely re-rendered for the printer[04:40:30] * leavengood hopes others can come help with that one[04:40:32] <koki_haiku> Haiku prints really well and incredibly fast[04:40:56] <DeadYak> I'm less worried about the Print Kit aspect of it than the "how do you lay it out optimally for a printed page" part[04:41:03] <umccullough_work> exactly[04:41:09] <koki_haiku> I am able to do in Haiku what never worked well in Zeta: print Japanese[04:41:12] <umccullough_work> usually you have options like show/hide background images, etc.[04:41:18] *** goosemo has quit IRC[04:41:22] <DeadYak> you'll notice there's a lot of variety in terms of quality of printing from most browsers there[04:41:35] <koki_haiku> true[04:41:45] <DeadYak> definitely needs the ability to custom configure aspects of the page though[04:41:49] *** goosemo has joined #haiku[04:41:51] <DeadYak> which could probably be handled via CSS actually[04:42:16] <ari-free> so webkit doesn't do any of this?[04:42:23] <DeadYak> the printing side of things?[04:42:27] <ari-free> ya[04:42:31] <DeadYak> that's a little too host-specific I think[04:42:44] <leavengood> ari-free: I am about to ask in #webkit[04:42:57] <ari-free> http://webkit.org/projects/printing/index.html[04:43:29] <koki_haiku> there seems to be printing support[04:43:47] <umccullough_work> there still needs to be communication between the native print kit and the printing support[04:43:54] <DeadYak> interesting[04:43:55] <umccullough_work> both directions[04:43:56] <koki_haiku> right[04:44:20] <koki_haiku> according to the URL that ari-free pasted, it does have some known issues[04:44:24] <leavengood> yeah[04:44:25] <ari-free> well what do the other webkit browsers do[04:44:33] <umccullough_work> you mean safari?[04:44:34] <leavengood> I assume they all have that problem[04:44:51] <ari-free> konq is fully open source[04:44:54] * leavengood wonders how printing is tested without killing tons of trees[04:44:55] <DeadYak> I'm not sure who uses webkit besides safari and various mobile phones[04:45:00] <koki_haiku> well, printing with some issues is still better than no printing :P[04:45:01] <DeadYak> ari-free: konq is not using webkit[04:45:01] <umccullough_work> print to pdf :)[04:45:03] <DeadYak> ari-free: yet[04:45:15] <leavengood> umccullough_work: yeah I was thinking that[04:46:17] <umccullough_work> in any case, like firefox, native printing support for each platform has to be integrated properly - it doesn't just come for free with the rendering engine[04:46:36] <ari-free> css3 multi column as you can see http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/[04:46:54] <umccullough_work> dumping to somethign cross-platform like ghostscript first can help ease the pain some[04:47:30] <umccullough_work> that's what fyysik has been working on with firefox IIRC[04:47:53] <umccullough_work> but then you do end up with extra layers[04:48:14] <ari-free> you end up with firefox[04:48:17] <ari-free> hehe[04:48:23] <leavengood> I'm not a big printer myself so I think that feature will be low on the list for me[04:48:33] <leavengood> but welcome help[04:48:58] <umccullough_work> worst-case - people can often copy/paste to another program, or even save-as to another format and open in stylededit or something[04:48:59] <leavengood> but I need to basic browser architecture first anyhow, and continued improvements in our WebKit platform code[04:49:27] <ari-free> mapquest in a big deal[04:49:30] <ari-free> is[04:49:39] <umccullough_work> still just an image and text[04:49:41] <umccullough_work> mostly[04:49:43] <ari-free> I don't think even firefox does that correctly[04:49:48] <leavengood> Marcus Jacob (webpositive guy) has been pretty quiet so I may just start a new browser[04:50:02] <DeadYak> leavengood: he's been on haiku-dev mailing list here and there[04:50:09] <leavengood> yeah I did notice that[04:50:14] <umccullough_work> yeah, didn't he just pop up today?[04:50:23] <umccullough_work> yesterday maybe[04:50:39] <DeadYak> indeed[04:51:04] <DeadYak> wrt CDR tools I believe[04:51:07] * umccullough_work goes to try and get more work done[04:51:16] <leavengood> does anyone have a tool to generate blank Haiku/BeOS projects (like with an app, window, view, Jamfile, resource file, etc.)[04:51:59] <leavengood> Or a template they use?[04:52:19] <leavengood> I could put one together but figured I'd ask first[04:52:19] <DeadYak> not off the top of my head unfortunately[04:52:45] <leavengood> I've gotten spoiled by Rails I guess, but in general code generators = goodness[04:52:53] <DeadYak> Jamfile you could pull from an existing app in the repos and modify though :)[04:52:58] <leavengood> certainly for boilerplate[04:53:00] <DeadYak> leavengood: Haiku on Rails?[04:53:01] <DeadYak> :P[04:53:06] <leavengood> hehe, why not[04:53:12] <ari-free> leave, any news on that coverity thing?[04:53:27] <leavengood> I took a quick look at the pkgsrc stuff[04:53:47] <leavengood> but AFAIK it requires a NetBSD install to make them[04:54:06] <ari-free> what...no way[04:54:25] <DeadYak> leavengood: they're just text files afaik[04:54:27] <leavengood> maybe it works on Linux too, not sure[04:54:49] <leavengood> well for testing NetBSD might be needed[04:55:10] <leavengood> I mean that is what the coverity guys need, something that can run on NetBSD[04:55:21] <umccullough_work> I can setup a NetBSD server if someone needs it[04:55:44] <umccullough_work> got enough hardware laying around :P[04:55:53] <leavengood> hehe[04:55:58] <leavengood> yeah me too[04:56:03] <umccullough_work> assuming a dual PIII 1ghz would be enough :)[04:56:24] <leavengood> I need to build a dedicated Haiku box[04:56:33] <leavengood> maybe my former Hackintosh[04:56:37] <umccullough_work> yeah, got a few of those ;)[04:57:13] <ari-free> http://www.netbsd.org/docs/pkgsrc/introduction.html sounds like it runs on linux[04:57:16] <umccullough_work> DeadYak, using the ata bus manager - is it noticeably slower than the ide manager?[04:57:45] <ari-free> “If it works, it should work everywhere” — Like NetBSD has been ported to many hardware architectures, pkgsrc has been ported to many operating systems. Care is taken that packages behave the same on all platforms.[04:57:53] <ari-free> you would think, right? hehe[04:57:56] <umccullough_work> yeah, was just reading that myself[04:58:11] <umccullough_work> i think it only needs to run on linux[04:58:18] <umccullough_work> since it's just a package of all the source right?[04:58:36] <umccullough_work> table 1.1 in that page shows LInux as supported[04:58:43] <leavengood> umccullough_work: I know your busy but care to investigate this pkgsrc/coverity thing? :-D[04:58:57] <umccullough_work> leavengood, i can look - i have little clue though :)[04:59:14] <umccullough_work> it'll have to be skunkworks in the evening and weekends :P[04:59:15] * leavengood foists work onto umccullough_work, one of his favorite hobbies...[04:59:24] <leavengood> hehe[04:59:31] <umccullough_work> which reminds me - i gotta finish a build tonight before I can leave[04:59:54] <leavengood> yeah I'm going to work on my browser mock-up[04:59:59] <ari-free> coverity is very important because we don't have millions of people looking at haiku for bugs[05:00:18] <umccullough_work> well, we already have plenty though ;)[05:00:23] <umccullough_work> there's no shortage of them :D[05:00:32] <ari-free> not the kind of bugs coverity can find[05:01:03] <ari-free> throw in bezilla while you're at it :)[05:01:21] <umccullough_work> :P[05:01:35] <umccullough_work> first things first - I'll see if I can figure out how pkgsrc works ;)[05:01:38] <koki_haiku> dinner time[05:01:43] <umccullough_work> unelss someone beats me to it of course[05:01:48] <umccullough_work> which happens often[05:02:03] <ari-free> pkgsrc is popular[05:03:43] <umccullough_work> something tells me that the Haiku build system will not make it easy to provide this[05:04:05] <leavengood> heh[05:04:06] <CIA-50> bonefish * r24881 /haiku/trunk/headers/posix/sys/stat.h: Added socket macros.[05:04:29] <umccullough_work> since i'm guessing part of the testing requires actually compiling the code with some sort of analytical shit running in the background[05:04:46] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[05:04:58] <umccullough_work> i doubt they simply scan the source files[05:05:13] <ari-free> coverity does symbian, windriver all kinds of stuff[05:05:14] <DeadYak> umccullough_work: somewhat[05:05:21] <DeadYak> umccullough_work: sorry, semi-afk watching Simpsons[05:05:29] <umccullough_work> no problem[05:05:32] <DeadYak> umccullough_work: ata doesn't do ATAPI yet either so if you rely on CD-ROM support..[05:05:46] <umccullough_work> right[05:05:46] <DeadYak> but as far as I'm aware it only currently uses PIO mode for hard disks[05:05:55] <umccullough_work> i know boot is a lot slower :([05:06:08] <DeadYak> it's not noticably different here[05:06:09] <umccullough_work> i'm going to probably shift back to using the PATA disk and the ide bus_manager until it gets fixed[05:06:13] <CIA-50> bonefish * r24882 /haiku/trunk/headers/posix/sys/un.h:[05:06:13] <CIA-50> Rather use a char[] for the path. uint8_t[] is rather uncomfortable to[05:06:13] <CIA-50> use with the string and *printf() functions.[05:06:16] <umccullough_work> it was a LOT faster that way[05:06:27] <DeadYak> well, I'm on an SATA disk here[05:06:33] <umccullough_work> only had to shit to ata when i swapped to SATA[05:06:34] <DeadYak> I just find ata more stable[05:06:46] <umccullough_work> erm... shift[05:06:55] <DHowett> koki_haiku: Can you use .bz2? it's 10mb less than the zip for r24880+optional[05:07:08] <CIA-50> bonefish * r24883 /haiku/trunk/ (headers/private/kernel/vfs.h src/system/kernel/fs/vfs.cpp): New service function vfs_create_special_node() to create special nodes.[05:07:11] <umccullough_work> ingo up late again :)[05:07:13] <ari-free> i need to reboot[05:07:33] *** infamy has joined #haiku[05:07:33] *** [Katisu]_laptop has quit IRC[05:07:36] *** ari-free has quit IRC[05:07:43] <DeadYak> yeah, that man does not know the meaning of slee[05:07:44] <DeadYak> sleep*[05:13:21] *** wtracy has joined #haiku[05:14:36] <leavengood> I think I will have a combined stop/reload button a la Safari[05:14:40] <leavengood> discuss[05:14:41] <leavengood> ;)[05:15:06] <DHowett> I wish I could get ahold of one zumi svg preferences icon. I'm in linux and i can't unpack this .pkg ;)[05:16:14] <DeadYak> leavengood: as in a modal button?[05:17:11] <leavengood> yeah the icon changes...but in the browsers I use you can only use one at a time[05:17:14] <CIA-50> bonefish * r24884 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/protocols/ (13 files in 2 dirs):[05:17:14] <CIA-50> Protocol module for Unix domain stream type sockets. The implementation[05:17:14] <CIA-50> is almost complete, but still quite buggy (receiving data has a good[05:17:14] <CIA-50> chance to drop into KDL).[05:17:23] <DeadYak> leavengood: true.[05:17:36] <DeadYak> oh wow[05:18:31] <DHowett> Anyone have r5 with tracker.newfs.. mabye with zumi's svg icon set? >_>[05:22:39] *** aroman has joined #haiku[05:22:52] <aroman> hello all[05:23:11] <DHowett> 'lo aroman[05:23:53] <aroman> anyone have any experience with the VMWare Developer image on haikuware?[05:24:11] <zlominus> aroman: I'm using it right now ...[05:24:18] <zlominus> I mean playing around[05:24:26] <aroman> k[05:24:46] <zlominus> it bootstraped cmake nicely with few changes .. but compiling is realy slow[05:24:51] <aroman> I want to try to work on some apps directly from haiku because that way I don't have to transfer stuff over all the time[05:25:09] <umccullough_work> ah, ingo is adding more stuff that I saw missing for Git :)[05:25:18] <DeadYak> umccullough_work: that too[05:25:26] <umccullough_work> nice[05:25:29] <DeadYak> af_local helps a lot of things[05:25:34] *** ari-free has joined #haiku[05:25:41] <umccullough_work> probabl all stuff needed for openssh eh?[05:25:55] <DeadYak> possibly, I'm not sure if it uses those or not[05:26:40] <leavengood> woot[05:26:47] <DeadYak> might[05:26:49] * leavengood is becoming a git man and moving all his stuff to it[05:27:04] <DeadYak> haven't yet tried it myself[05:27:07] <ari-free> http://store.mozilla.org/ NERD! oh gosh i would not want to be caught dead looking like that[05:27:34] <leavengood> hehe[05:27:35] <CIA-50> bonefish * r24885 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/protocols/unix/UnixFifo.cpp:[05:27:35] <CIA-50> Looks like I had been fallen asleep before finishing the implementation.[05:27:35] <CIA-50> After successfully copying the data from the receive queue into a new[05:27:35] <CIA-50> buffer, we should actually return that buffer and update the queue size.[05:27:35] <CIA-50> recv() doesn't KDL anymore when reading less data than queued.[05:27:49] <leavengood> woohoo[05:27:50] * JonathanThompson hiccurps into the channel[05:27:52] <leavengood> go to sleep Ingo[05:27:57] <umccullough_work> ari-free, the image changes each time you refresh the page ;)[05:27:59] <DeadYak> sleep is for the week[05:28:02] <DeadYak> weak*[05:28:07] <ari-free> it doesnt matter![05:28:20] <ari-free> yeah i tried[05:28:21] <ari-free> haha[05:28:27] <DeadYak> I still kinda want that spectrum analyzer shirt on thinkgeek[05:28:48] <ari-free> oh now we have a girl nerd with a foxy t shirt[05:28:49] * JonathanThompson notes DeadYak is weak in his week of spelling that's spilling over to disemvoweling words.[05:29:06] <DeadYak> gimme a break :)[05:29:17] <JonathanThompson> You sure deserve it![05:29:17] <DeadYak> ari-free: that makes me remember the irish girl on dailywtf[05:29:22] <DeadYak> I do?[05:29:27] <umccullough_work> there are two girl nerds in those images[05:29:39] * JonathanThompson breaks DeadYak into a billion sub-DeadYaks[05:29:40] <umccullough_work> DeadYak, yeah... that... yeah[05:29:45] * umccullough_work zips it :)[05:29:53] <DeadYak> umccullough_work: pardon?[05:29:58] <umccullough_work> nothing :)[05:30:20] <leavengood> The mozilla zilla thing looks like it has an overbite and therefore dumb[05:30:26] <ari-free> i was referring to the blond with the groucho marx glasses[05:30:43] <leavengood> http://store.mozilla.org/images/home/mainimg.jpg[05:30:54] <leavengood> yeah same pic[05:30:59] <DeadYak> lol[05:31:24] <ari-free> the other guy has an arrow but the word should be "loser"[05:31:37] <leavengood> indeed[05:31:45] *** HaikuwareUser has quit IRC[05:31:50] <aroman> zlominus: did you get networking to work?[05:31:53] <ari-free> where's triumph the insult dog when you need him[05:31:59] <zlominus> aroman: yes[05:32:01] <DeadYak> evening aroman[05:32:10] <zlominus> it is intels card emulation[05:32:13] * JonathanThompson yells out, "For me to poop on!"[05:32:29] <zlominus> u just need to enable bridged vmware networking[05:32:39] <ari-free> the firefox tribbles are cute[05:33:24] <ari-free> they should sell firefox ties[05:33:38] <aroman> vmware is in bridged mode... which from what I understand, bridges the iface with one of my laptop's interfaces (wifi or wired) so I don't know which it will bridge to.. :/ because my setup right now is a little weird and I'd like it to bridge to the wireless one (vmware fusion here on mac) and it doesn't let me specify which[05:33:47] <aroman> evening DeadYak! :)[05:33:56] <leavengood> I have never been able to connect to my VMware Haiku's[05:34:04] <leavengood> could be my setup though[05:34:11] <zlominus> hmmm[05:34:19] <umccullough_work> NAT vs Bridge perhaps[05:34:26] <leavengood> but they can get out[05:34:34] <zlominus> u just need to compile the modules and start the daemon ...[05:34:41] <leavengood> I just can't connect from the host machine[05:35:05] <umccullough_work> vmware has some special settings for allowing a host/guest network connection[05:35:14] <aroman> DHCP doesn't seem to work and I've no idea what's the IP address of the vmware adapter...[05:35:16] <umccullough_work> it actually creates separate virtual adapters for that[05:35:38] <umccullough_work> aroman, try switching from bridged to nat or viceversa[05:35:39] <aroman> yeah but there's 2 adapters[05:35:51] <umccullough_work> you'll probably have to restart haiku[05:36:13] <zlominus> aroman: who is the host, I guess linux ?[05:36:13] <aroman> ah ok[05:36:17] <aroman> let me give that a try[05:36:24] <aroman> zlominus: nah, I'm on Mac OS X right now[05:36:25] <umccullough_work> linux host can make it harder[05:36:43] <aroman> hmm[05:36:48] <zlominus> umccullough_work: it works like a charm here :)[05:36:52] <aroman> I think I found a bug in the network prefs application[05:36:57] <umccullough_work> zlominus, depends on how you install vmware ;)[05:37:04] <umccullough_work> netprefs sucks[05:37:06] <zlominus> arch's aur[05:37:07] <aroman> :P[05:37:15] <umccullough_work> never was really finished[05:37:20] <aroman> I set it to DHCP, reboot, and now it's back set to Static IP...[05:37:27] <umccullough_work> oh yuck[05:37:41] <umccullough_work> i never mess with it :)[05:38:14] <zlominus> hmmm ... someone said that there is nfs in the tree .. anyone tested it actualy ?[05:38:33] <DeadYak> mmu_man did that[05:38:41] <DeadYak> pretty sure it at least partly works :)[05:39:15] <zlominus> would be nice to cross-compile and test on real hardware through nfs share :)[05:39:35] <zlominus> at least for the apps ...[05:39:52] <umccullough_work> would nfs have been removed with the other filesystems recently?[05:39:53] <aroman> yeah...[05:39:57] <aroman> nfs would be NICE[05:40:01] <DeadYak> umccullough_work: possibly, not sure[05:40:06] <DeadYak> might need some minor adjustments[05:41:32] <leavengood> yeah it is a pain developing on Linux and testing in VMWare[05:42:12] <zlominus> leavengood: shoudl not be if networking works well ...[05:42:33] <aroman> ok got networking to work[05:43:02] <aroman> NAT seems to do the trick, and I made a static address on the same subnet as my vmnet8 adapter[05:43:15] <aroman> and set the ip of vmnet8 as my gateway[05:43:55] <zlominus> aroman: have u ran vmware-config.pl or macosx equ. after the installation ?[05:43:59] *** HaikuwareDev has joined #Haiku[05:44:08] <zlominus> it should set it all up atomaticaly[05:45:23] <aroman> zlominus: there is no such thing, linux images seem to work automatically[05:45:36] <aroman> it just comes with prebuilt kernel modules and it automatically creates the settings[05:45:39] <umccullough_work> zlominus, i'm pretty sure vmware fusion on OSX is nothing like the linux version ;)[05:46:12] <umccullough_work> probably a binary package with an installer and everything[05:46:25] <zlominus> dunno .. never realy used osx ... I only istalled hacked up version on my T40 once ...[05:46:36] <aroman> heh[05:46:45] <aroman> umccullough_work: that's right[05:46:47] <umccullough_work> vmware fusion isn't really like vmware player or server ieither[05:46:52] <umccullough_work> it's ...different[05:46:56] <DHowett> ?[05:47:26] *** absabs has quit IRC[05:47:45] *** aroman has quit IRC[05:47:50] <umccullough_work> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2630147420415511604&q=vmware+fusion&total=157&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0[05:47:50] *** HaikuwareDev is now known as aroman[05:49:23] <[Katisu]> wow, actually got an apology from comcast for lousy service on Saturday[05:49:33] <umccullough_work> nice[05:50:19] * [Katisu] wonders how much his cable bill will now go up[05:51:18] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[05:51:44] <Teknomancer> morning all[05:56:26] *** DHowett has left #haiku[06:07:52] *** aroman has quit IRC[06:08:23] *** aroman has joined #haiku[06:09:38] <leavengood> this is still rough and the icons are crappy, but this is the direction I am thinking[06:09:41] <leavengood> http://ryanleavengood.com/files/toolbar.png[06:09:42] *** darbelo has joined #haiku[06:10:17] <leavengood> and not as big[06:12:25] <umccullough_work> if you put a go button next to the URL, you should also have a button next to the search box[06:12:33] <umccullough_work> either that or neither :)[06:12:37] <leavengood> yeah[06:12:46] <leavengood> I just got lazy[06:12:47] <CIA-50> bonefish * r24886 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/protocols/unix/UnixFifo.cpp:[06:12:47] <CIA-50> * Added some debug output.[06:12:47] <CIA-50> * Flags and timeout arguments to acquire_sem_etc() were swapped.[06:13:24] <umccullough_work> honestly, i'm not keen on having the go button become a stop button[06:13:33] <DeadYak> he didn't mean that[06:13:35] <DeadYak> he meant stop and refresh[06:13:38] <umccullough_work> oh[06:13:43] <leavengood> yeah[06:13:47] <umccullough_work> ok sorry :)[06:14:38] <leavengood> I also wonder whether the forward and back should be more obviously a unit, because of the shared history drop down[06:15:05] <ari-free> back[06:15:06] <umccullough_work> should they share?[06:15:08] <ari-free> look at firefox 3[06:15:25] <ari-free> you get go in the address bar when you need it[06:15:29] <leavengood> yeah the idea is like FF3 and IE7 as far as functionality of that[06:15:36] <leavengood> oh[06:15:39] <umccullough_work> i haven't looked[06:15:54] <ari-free> otherwise you get a bookmark star icon[06:16:11] <leavengood> the go seems pointless to me[06:16:14] <ari-free> you can also resize the search bar[06:16:19] <umccullough_work> yeah, for me also actually[06:16:22] <ari-free> no! people use it all the time[06:16:27] <leavengood> if you are typing a URL, why take you hand off[06:16:28] <umccullough_work> but not many people associate "enter" with go[06:16:33] <leavengood> yeah maybe[06:16:39] <umccullough_work> i mean, some people don't - most do :D[06:16:43] <ari-free> because you copy and paste a url and then click go[06:16:46] <umccullough_work> some people like a button :P[06:16:52] <umccullough_work> you copy/paste and hit enter[06:16:56] <leavengood> hehe[06:17:01] <leavengood> not if you use the menus[06:17:03] <umccullough_work> oh, some people maybe use the mouse for that too ;)[06:17:04] <leavengood> I guess[06:17:08] <ari-free> then you'd have to go to keyboard[06:17:13] <umccullough_work> i *hate* using the mouse for anything[06:17:28] <ari-free> i always use mouse :)[06:17:32] <umccullough_work> stupid mouse is like a teeny weeny input filter to my computer[06:17:35] <leavengood> well at first this may not be as uberkewl as FF3[06:17:38] <umccullough_work> i want CONTROLLLL[06:17:55] <umccullough_work> besides, i always have my left hand on the mouse wher ethe ctrl-c/ctrl-v is anyway[06:18:00] <umccullough_work> er keyboard[06:18:01] <ari-free> haiku should show off clippings[06:18:43] <ari-free> what i would like is a universal clip manager like in MS office[06:18:56] <ari-free> but for whole OS[06:18:57] <umccullough_work> leavengood, that's ok - it's OSS anyway, so wahtever you choose up front will be hacked to pieces by the community anyway ;)[06:19:06] <Teknomancer> there was already a universal multi-clipboard input-filter for BeOS[06:19:10] <Teknomancer> was really nice[06:19:16] <umccullough_work> hate the MS office clip feature also[06:19:33] <leavengood> umccullough_work: yeah true[06:19:34] <umccullough_work> absolute overkill for no real good reason[06:19:51] <ari-free> I want to copy a lot of things. firefox now has noncontiguous select[06:20:04] <umccullough_work> that's nice actually[06:20:11] <ari-free> finally[06:20:12] <umccullough_work> i'll have to try that[06:20:28] <umccullough_work> i installed ff3 and removed it...waiting for it to go final[06:20:36] <umccullough_work> so i didn't really mess with it much[06:21:09] <ari-free> ff3 also saves tabs when you close so you get them back again[06:21:26] <umccullough_work> there was an extension for ff2 that did that[06:22:41] <leavengood> session saver, I used that for while, but after a while I became a tab packrat and it took forever to load[06:22:47] <leavengood> hehe[06:23:04] <ari-free> I wish the whole OS had session saver too[06:23:22] <umccullough_work> i value my machines' performance more than that ;)[06:23:38] <ari-free> sure beats finding the same stuff all over again[06:23:49] <ari-free> especially if you have 50 tabs and windows[06:23:59] <umccullough_work> jeez... i don't seem to have a problem[06:24:11] <umccullough_work> i don't even use bookmarks[06:24:22] <ari-free> but takes longer[06:24:35] <umccullough_work> auto-complete makes a huge differenc[06:24:36] <umccullough_work> e[06:24:51] <umccullough_work> usually 3 or 4 keys and the arrows get me what i want[06:25:15] <umccullough_work> i mean, i guess i probably don't visit a million crazy-ass websites or anything[06:25:45] <leavengood> hehe[06:26:04] * JonathanThompson thinks umccullough_work must have counted to 999,999 of them[06:26:08] *** Tonik has quit IRC[06:26:32] <umccullough_work> wikipedia for example - ctrl-d followed by 'wik' <enter> gets me there[06:26:42] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[06:26:51] <umccullough_work> osnews is pretty much the same[06:27:21] <umccullough_work> if it's gonna be hard to find, usually google gets me there faster[06:27:38] <Technix> I do both. I have a bookmarks bar at the top for all the various types of sites I visit, grouped by folder (for type) and then if I'm feeling keyboardish, I hit F6, starting typing a few chars, and then use the arrow keys[06:27:56] <umccullough_work> f6...hmm[06:28:06] <umccullough_work> guess that works too - but ctrl-d is pretty much universal[06:28:07] <Technix> each person has their own way of doing things[06:28:15] <Technix> f6 gets me to the address bar[06:28:33] <umccullough_work> yeah, same with ctrl-d ;)[06:28:38] <umccullough_work> on beos it's alt-d :P[06:28:50] <Technix> ctrl-d on windows bookmarks the site[06:28:56] <umccullough_work> not last i checked[06:29:06] <Technix> in firefox? yes.[06:29:07] <umccullough_work> i'm on windows currently...[06:29:12] <umccullough_work> using ff2[06:29:15] <Technix> same[06:29:28] <umccullough_work> ctrl-d clearly highlights my address bar so I can type[06:29:38] <umccullough_work> oh i see[06:29:39] <leavengood> it bookmarks for me in Linux[06:29:43] <Technix> well, you've got something else doing that.[06:29:46] <umccullough_work> if the address bar is selected, it's bookmark[06:29:55] <umccullough_work> sorry, alt-d[06:30:00] <Technix> go to the bookmark menu, you'l see "Add to bookmarks" is ctrl-d[06:30:01] <leavengood> heh[06:30:03] <umccullough_work> i'm thinking of beos where it's ctrl-d[06:30:08] <umccullough_work> MY BAD[06:30:13] <leavengood> kill kill[06:30:14] <Technix> :P[06:30:15] <leavengood> heh[06:30:15] <umccullough_work> alt-d works in IE also[06:30:30] <Technix> ok, alt-d / F6, they both take you to the address bar.[06:30:42] * leavengood thinks having an Apple keyboard is good for Haiku with the default Ctrl/Alt mapping[06:30:44] <umccullough_work> yeah[06:30:45] <Technix> the only difference is that alt-d drops it down immediately[06:30:58] <Technix> leavengood: absolutely agree.[06:30:59] * JonathanThompson goes on a kill kill spree[06:31:02] <umccullough_work> hmm...[06:31:10] <umccullough_work> alt-d doesn't seem to drop mine down either :([06:31:21] <ari-free> I don't like this alt business[06:31:31] <umccullough_work> why?[06:31:37] <umccullough_work> you don't like keyboard shortcuts?[06:31:38] <JonathanThompson> ari-free, you just need to be open to alt-ernatives![06:31:43] <Technix> groan[06:31:44] <ari-free> just have control c like everyone else and that's it[06:31:56] <umccullough_work> then what would I do with my alt key?[06:32:02] <ari-free> just one key to rule them all[06:32:05] <JonathanThompson> Neuter vowels ;)[06:32:06] <ari-free> something else[06:32:17] * Technix neuters JonathanThompson[06:32:24] <ari-free> but to have 2 ways to do same thing makes no sense[06:32:31] * JonathanThompson runs away, squeaking madly[06:32:40] <Technix> ari-free: actually, we're just talking about doing it the most efficient way.[06:32:44] <leavengood> alright I need to his the sack[06:32:46] <leavengood> later folks[06:32:50] <leavengood> hit even[06:32:51] <leavengood> hehe[06:32:51] <JonathanThompson> Hey, those bikini briefs fit much better now, Technix! Uh, thanks???[06:32:54] <Technix> you need to do what with his sack?[06:33:05] <leavengood> LOL[06:33:07] <ari-free> what sack? it's gone[06:33:11] *** leavengood has quit IRC[06:33:36] <Technix> well, I'm off to work too.[06:33:37] <Technix> ttyl[06:33:40] <JonathanThompson> I do believe that's two nights in a row I've had him leave with his last comment being LOL :)[06:33:48] *** docphnx has joined #HAIKU[06:34:03] *** docphnx is now known as DocPheniX[06:34:09] <umccullough_work> JonathanThompson, he likes to leave on a happy note :)[06:34:17] <umccullough_work> before it gets any worse[06:34:24] <JonathanThompson> And my weirdness can provide him with a good laugh to go out on :)[06:34:37] <ari-free> oh it can get a lot worse[06:34:51] <JonathanThompson> Absolutely! The knight's still young![06:34:54] <DocPheniX> so i heard that haiku is "self-hosting" now. is this acurate?[06:35:10] <JonathanThompson> (He can be forced into doing all sorts of dubious deeds for pleasure and profit if you know how to do it right)[06:35:21] <umccullough_work> DocPheniX, not exactly...[06:35:22] <JonathanThompson> Imperfectly, but yes.[06:35:27] <DocPheniX> i see[06:35:36] <DocPheniX> well thats a step forward[06:35:45] <umccullough_work> there is at least one issue that I know of still[06:35:51] <JonathanThompson> Which one?[06:36:17] <umccullough_work> there's a limit on the commandline length that jam runs into[06:36:34] <umccullough_work> i haven't seen it personally, but i've seen several jam outputs that run into it[06:36:37] <DeadYak> that's why haiku has a custom jam[06:36:50] <DeadYak> umccullough_work: haven't run into that one....[06:36:57] <umccullough_work> DeadYak, so maybe its' people using R5 jam?[06:37:02] <DeadYak> I run into a couple of issues, one of which I'm looking into, but neither are jam related[06:37:09] <DeadYak> umccullough_work: could be[06:37:12] <umccullough_work> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/1991[06:37:24] <DeadYak> umccullough_work: if they're installing Haiku's dev package it installs a modified jam by default anyways[06:37:31] <umccullough_work> although, scottmc ran into it while jamming the image also - but I think he was using the haikuware developer image[06:37:48] <umccullough_work> perhaps karl doesn't know how to properly setup a developer image :)[06:37:58] <DeadYak> I run into two problems: 1) mem management (vfork: out of memory), and 2) a bug in mimeset or thereabouts[06:38:04] <DeadYak> the latter's what I'm looking into[06:38:09] <DeadYak> the former can be dealt with via a reboot[06:38:10] <umccullough_work> ok, but you can continue on through the vfork issues[06:38:12] <umccullough_work> yeah[06:38:33] <DeadYak> I can make it all the way through a build with some patience in any case[06:39:10] <DeadYak> oddly I haven't run into the bug on that screen btw[06:39:15] <DeadYak> though I'll admit not having tried jam clean[06:39:56] <umccullough_work> yeah, i think jam clean is the known way[06:40:07] <umccullough_work> i'll have to ask scottmc how he got his image[06:40:09] <DeadYak> well, haven't seen it with jam -q anyways[06:40:49] <umccullough_work> have you tried with -q to see how far you get past mimeset problems?[06:40:54] <umccullough_work> WITHOUT -q?[06:41:30] <DeadYak> mimeset inconsistently fails[06:41:39] <DeadYak> it'll return -1 to the shell which'll cause the build to fail[06:41:42] <DeadYak> jam -q again and it moves on[06:41:56] <DeadYak> like I said, looking into that one[06:41:59] <JonathanThompson> Any idea why it inconsistently fails?[06:42:09] <DeadYak> if I knew why, I'd fix it[06:42:18] <DeadYak> but -1 ( General OS error) is most unhelpful in finding a failure point :)[06:42:27] <JonathanThompson> You don't say ;)[06:42:50] <JonathanThompson> mimeset the one used in BeOS r5?[06:43:04] <umccullough_work> haiku has its own[06:43:29] <JonathanThompson> Has mimeset for Haiku been used in a build done on r5 for comparison purposes?[06:45:06] <umccullough_work> i'm not sure but I'm guessing the same mimeset is used regardless of host build platform now[06:45:44] <umccullough_work> i know people have successfully built on R5 recently[06:54:48] * JonathanThompson notes the Microsoft-Yahoo! battle getting more and more complicated by the minute[06:55:26] *** AndrevS has quit IRC[06:56:38] <Teknomancer> JonathanThompson: is it still on? i thought it had died down, not many news articles about it[06:56:46] <Teknomancer> (recently)[06:56:56] <JonathanThompson> Go to finance.yahoo.com and see how weird it's getting ;)[06:58:19] <Teknomancer> haha[06:58:43] * JonathanThompson is sitting in the front lines, passing the ammunition after praising the lord[06:58:59] * umccullough_work gets some popcorn[06:59:29] <JonathanThompson> Better get a whole corn field worth of it, umccullough_work, it looks like a long and windy movie with lots of plot twists :)[07:01:25] <CIA-50> bonefish * r24887 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/protocols/unix/UnixFifo.cpp: Wait states should be interruptable.[07:02:17] <umccullough_work> damn, he's still up?[07:02:29] <DeadYak> you're telling me...[07:02:34] <DeadYak> it's what, 7AM in germany now?[07:02:45] <JonathanThompson> He needs to get proper sleep before he manages to take 2 steps back for every step forward due to being overly tired and not thinking straight.[07:03:49] <DeadYak> in all fairness, this is brand new code :)[07:04:44] <JonathanThompson> Doesn't change the realistic issue that coders up too long tend to get tired and do dumb things they wished they hadn't, that cause them to spend more time later in the debugger than they thought they gained originally.[07:05:08] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[07:05:13] <DeadYak> true[07:05:42] <DeadYak> I asked him about that the other time he was up all night, and he just said it's a case of "almost done, just a little more...oh look, the sun's coming up"[07:05:53] <JonathanThompson> :P[07:06:00] <DeadYak> know that feeling too well :P[07:06:07] <JonathanThompson> An overly committed geek :P[07:07:33] <Technix> we're all just geeks in the wind?[07:07:48] * JonathanThompson imagines the guitar solo[07:07:51] <DeadYak> lol[07:08:32] <umccullough_work> ok, time for me to go home now :)[07:08:51] <JonathanThompson> Hey Technix, did you hear what the dying words were for the software developer who believed in reincarnation?[07:08:57] *** umccullough_work has quit IRC[07:10:05] * Technix bites... "what?"[07:10:13] <JonathanThompson> Be Back in a Bit (bbiab)[07:10:36] <Technix> sigh[07:10:47] <ari-free> Haiku Hacking in an Hour[07:10:57] <Technix> speaking of software development... what's new jt?[07:11:02] * JonathanThompson wonders if he'll dream of self-assembling levitating legos again soon[07:11:12] <JonathanThompson> Looking into iPhone software development.[07:11:23] <Technix> nice[07:11:40] <JonathanThompson> Got a small bit from a certain person in the community for a quick BeOS utility, too, that I need to get done.[07:13:19] * JonathanThompson reads the latest stories on the Yahoo! buyout/whatever and concludes it's a modern-day version of "Who's on first?" but with modern day web and media titans[07:14:43] * JonathanThompson wonders if the All-hands tomorrow morning will shed more light on the dark entrails of the deals in the works (or not)[07:20:51] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[07:22:04] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[07:22:43] <Begasus> morning peeps[07:23:43] *** Thom_Holwerda has joined #haiku[07:23:48] <Technix> howdee[07:23:57] * Technix is reading http://www.haiku-os.org/glass_elevator/rfc/media[07:23:58] <JonathanThompson> MOO![07:24:11] <Technix> sounds very similar to my bEQ project[07:25:41] <koki_haiku> howdy[07:25:50] <Begasus> got my build system in Haiku setup ;)[07:25:54] <Begasus> hi koki_haiku ;)[07:26:03] <koki_haiku> hi Begasus[07:26:21] <Begasus> build libiconv as a first lib already yesterday ;)[07:31:44] <ari-free> when i use the audio player that came with my audigy card, I'm able to slow down the song without changing the pitch[07:31:45] *** MindChild has quit IRC[07:31:47] <ari-free> I like that[07:31:52] *** MindChild has joined #haiku[07:33:57] <koki_haiku> DeadYak, do you think I should close #2054?[07:34:20] <DeadYak> not yet[07:34:42] <DeadYak> why do you say that?[07:34:44] <koki_haiku> ok. I was not sure if I understood your comment :)[07:34:58] <DeadYak> which?[07:35:33] <koki_haiku> the last one :)[07:35:42] <DeadYak> that was in response to Axel[07:35:52] <DeadYak> it's still a valid bug, I was just trying to help pinpoint the cause[07:36:06] <koki_haiku> ah, ok. :)[07:36:11] <Begasus> someone should mail the guys from the config.guess file that it needs an update for Haiku ;)[07:36:28] <DeadYak> Begasus: that's pretty much per project afaik[07:36:58] <Begasus> just in case for BePC:Haiku[07:37:28] <Begasus> I don't think Haiku's gonna change the uname stuff a lot more then it is atm or?[07:37:45] <DeadYak> no real reason to, at this point only the revision should change really[07:37:53] <koki_haiku> DeadYak, did Axel post a comment on bug #2054?[07:37:59] <DeadYak> koki_haiku: no, I'm blind[07:38:04] <DeadYak> koki_haiku: I thought your reply was axel[07:38:09] <DeadYak> I don't know why I read that[07:38:34] <koki_haiku> ah! I thought I had gone crazy ;)[07:38:58] <Begasus> configure can't find the build system if I don't add Haiku in the config.guess file DeadYak[07:39:18] <DeadYak> koki_haiku: it's late and I've been on a conference call for the past hour :)[07:39:24] <DeadYak> Begasus: what configure?[07:39:27] <Begasus> hehe[07:39:38] <Begasus> configure for instance for libiconv[07:39:43] <DeadYak> yeah[07:39:52] <Begasus> even libSDL[07:39:53] <DeadYak> I'm fairly certain config.guess has to be changed on a per-project basis though[07:40:01] <DeadYak> I don't think there's a master config.guess that everyone bases off[07:40:14] <DeadYak> could be wrong though, autotools might generate one[07:40:30] <koki_haiku> DeadYak, it's cool :)[07:40:31] <Begasus> I've never used autotools here[07:40:53] <Begasus> always something that went wrong then .. or it didn't work[08:13:19] <Kokito> good night folks[08:13:33] <koki_haiku> time to shutdown and get some rest now[08:14:18] *** Kokito has quit IRC[08:18:11] *** koki_haiku has quit IRC[08:22:23] *** databridge has joined #haiku[08:27:19] <Begasus> __libc_lock_define_initialized_recursive (static, lock)[08:27:40] <Begasus> getting initializer element is not constant on that line[08:27:51] <Begasus> (gettext)[08:34:39] * JonathanThompson wonders what will become of the 300 Yahoo! VPs in all the ensuing acquisition/merger insanity[08:36:10] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[08:36:17] <ozy`> JonathanThompson: Steve Ballmer will make them fight to the death for his amusement[08:36:28] <ozy`> armed with nothing but chairs, of course[08:36:39] <JonathanThompson> I predict if nothing else, there'll be a big popcorn consumption uptick ;)[08:36:54] <JonathanThompson> And here I am, stuck in the middle of the attention.[08:37:10] <JonathanThompson> Working on a distributed database platform for Yahoo.[08:37:23] <ozy`> :'([08:37:45] <JonathanThompson> Seems like Yahoo will announce a merger with AOL, but even so, I still think Microsoft will go ahead and buy Yahoo, or whatever, regardless, and it seems they're teaming up with News Corp if needed.[08:37:56] <JonathanThompson> So, very strange, very twisted, very confusing.[08:38:19] <JonathanThompson> Who needs soap operas when you live in a Tech Opera?[08:39:31] *** databridge has quit IRC[08:40:58] <ozy`> AOL?!??![08:41:17] <JonathanThompson> As I just said: very strange, very twisted, and very confusing ;)[08:41:20] * ozy` explodes all over his keyboard in a spray of entrails[08:41:34] <Technix> not as strange as your witty comments, JonathanThompson :P :P :P[08:41:37] * JonathanThompson hopes the keyboard has a keyboard condom to make it easy to reuse[08:41:56] <JonathanThompson> So soon I may be working for Microfoxaohoo ;)[08:42:32] <JonathanThompson> I don't believe Microsoft would allow a merger between Yahoo! and AOL keep it from buying Yahoo anyway.[08:42:44] <JonathanThompson> Especially if they do team up with News Corp.[08:42:55] <ozy`> if that comes to pass they should just do themselves a favor and change the name to The Empire[08:43:26] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps my stock options will end up being worth something sooner than I expected after all :D[08:43:54] <ozy`> stock options? to hell with stock options, you'll get to work on the death star[08:44:17] <JonathanThompson> Yeah, but remember how easily it was destroyed by exploiting a silly weakness ;)[08:44:23] * Technix cranks up some Orgy - Club69Mix[08:45:28] <JonathanThompson> Technix, you realize, my comments are one of my special skills in this life that set me apart from otherwise being an ordinary computer geek ;)[08:45:43] <Technix> oh dude... I know that[08:46:04] <Technix> its why you're listed in my special category of friends. :P[08:46:23] * JonathanThompson remembers that online interview where he stated he was a sadomasochistic sheep: a mutton for punishment[08:46:38] <Begasus> DaaT's slave? ^^[08:46:55] <JonathanThompson> Do you think MYOB ever quite recovered from my spoof involving his death-that-never-happened?[08:49:42] * JonathanThompson just processed that Technix labeled him "special" and is overwrought by ambivalence while pondering the true meaning[08:51:58] <Technix> kekeke[08:52:06] <Technix> wow, you finally caught that?[08:52:37] <JonathanThompson> Oh, I caught it earlier, but I was busy thinking about other things, and it had a much lower priority ;)[08:53:20] <Technix> go fork() yourself! :)[08:53:37] <JonathanThompson> The world can't handle one of me: are you mad at the world???[08:53:46] <Technix> oh my[08:53:59] <Technix> listen, if I laugh any harder, my lungs will come out of my chest[08:54:21] * JonathanThompson imagines Technix has a heavy-breathing alien in there pondering his sheep pictures[08:54:29] <Technix> mmm.. sheep pictures....[08:54:40] <Technix> Won't someone think of the sheep1?[08:54:41] <JonathanThompson> DAat will be your friend :D[08:54:49] <JonathanThompson> DaaT is very good at that :)[08:54:52] <Technix> yeah, I wonder what he's up to these days[08:55:04] <Technix> I miss our sleepovers. :)[08:55:07] <JonathanThompson> Probably at least 6 sheep per day, if he has his say ;)[08:55:15] <JonathanThompson> 3-sheep nights?[08:55:21] <JonathanThompson> (Or is that just DaaT)[08:55:46] <Technix> Sheepless Nights, the movie?[08:55:49] <JonathanThompson> DaaT's kids are doomed: one is most likely going to be named Lanolin ;)[08:55:55] <Technix> Sheep Less in Seattle?[08:56:02] <Technix> Who Gives a Sheep?[08:56:03] <JonathanThompson> There aren't many in Seattle, tis true ;)[08:56:14] <JonathanThompson> Watch out for when the sheep hits the fan ;)[08:56:18] <JonathanThompson> Lamb chops everywhere![08:56:27] <Technix> That's mutton to laugh at![08:56:43] <JonathanThompson> I can't pull the wool over your eyes, that's for sure![08:56:44] <geist> *groan*[08:57:09] <Technix> oh, I see you've started without us, geist[08:57:13] * JonathanThompson prepares Technix a big bucket of sheep-dip[08:57:14] <geist> you shouloda said 'sheepovers' a while ago[08:58:00] <Technix> geist: if it gives you any lip (do sheeps have lips?), just whack it over the head with a copy of the BeBook.[08:58:23] <JonathanThompson> Then it may become the ToBeOrNotToBeBook ;)[08:58:33] <JonathanThompson> (Depends on how hard you hit it)[08:58:39] <Technix> with the book, you mean[08:58:57] <JonathanThompson> Yes, what were you thinking of hitting it with???[08:59:03] <Technix> DaaT[08:59:21] <JonathanThompson> Well, he may be hard-up, and that's something for the sheep to bleet about...[08:59:52] <Technix> Depending on the time of year, I guess.[09:00:16] *** DocPheniX has left #HAIKU[09:01:35] *** UndeadYak has joined #haiku[09:01:44] <Technix> Way to go geist, ruin a perfectly good Sheep Thread.[09:01:56] <JonathanThompson> He didn't have the wool to tolerate it.[09:02:18] <JonathanThompson> Or, for the determined sheep lover, where there's a wool, there's a way.[09:03:19] <ari-free> Wool. The fabric of our lives. unless you are a sheep[09:03:38] <JonathanThompson> And then it becomes a tangled web we weave of their hair.[09:04:23] <ari-free> I don't believe in Santa. I believe in cashmere[09:05:08] * JonathanThompson sings, "Here comes Cashmere Claus, here comes Cashmere Claus, here comes Cashmere's slave!"[09:05:54] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[09:06:19] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[09:07:54] <Lelldorin1> moin[09:08:05] <Technix> hey Lelldorin1, hows it going[09:08:44] <Lelldorin1> nice and self?[09:08:49] <Technix> at work, cannot complain[09:08:57] <Lelldorin1> i have hollydays[09:09:00] <Technix> my colo has a permanent IRC connection via irssi[09:09:19] <Technix> so, I connect to my colo from home and from work, without dropping anyting[09:11:27] <Technix> doing some very boring domreg work.. woo[09:12:04] <Lelldorin1> how can i open 7z files?[09:12:29] <Technix> http://www.bebits.com/app/4079[09:12:30] <Technix> ?[09:12:59] <Lelldorin1> ah ok[09:13:16] <Lelldorin1> i have downloaded a haiku dev image 8with gcc installed)[09:13:21] <Lelldorin1> abd it is a .7z file[09:13:26] <Lelldorin1> from haikuware[09:13:28] * JonathanThompson sends Technix down an internet black hole, wondering if he'll return with a white face[09:13:47] <Technix> You forget, I live and breathe internet. :)[09:15:36] * JonathanThompson is wired for Zounds[09:18:32] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[09:18:33] *** UndeadYak is now known as DeadYak[09:20:28] <Thom_Holwerda> DeadYak: remember yesterday's discussion on sports and team preferences?[09:20:40] <Thom_Holwerda> im watching germany vs the US now, and now im all for germany :D[09:20:51] <ari-free> doh[09:21:06] <ari-free> hehe[09:21:44] <ari-free> I'm for 2 countries in this years olympics: USA and Tibet[09:22:28] <Thom_Holwerda> yeah im happy gordon brown will not attend the opening ceremonies[09:22:35] <Thom_Holwerda> i hope my government will decide the same.[09:24:47] <surrounder> lawl[09:24:58] <surrounder> I don't expect anything from our government[09:25:17] <ari-free> the problem is (and we see this with how the chinese reacted to harper) is that they will be good spinners[09:25:46] <ari-free> that you are somehow against the chinese people and not just the govt[09:26:33] <Thom_Holwerda> surrounder: heh yeah, i mean, wilders is much more imprtant than the Tibetan people, right?[09:26:36] <Thom_Holwerda> i mean, totally.[09:27:32] <surrounder> ah well, it all doesn't matter[09:27:35] <ari-free> there are a lot of chinese people in canada actually, and China has made them turn against Harper[09:27:48] <surrounder> everything the US will do we will follow like lemmings anyhows[09:28:24] <Thom_Holwerda> pretty much, yeah.[09:28:30] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[09:31:38] <ari-free> ok something weird[09:32:30] *** ari-free has quit IRC[09:35:35] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[09:38:08] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[09:54:07] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[09:56:50] *** wtracy has quit IRC[09:57:04] *** darbelo has left #haiku[10:01:19] *** slaad has joined #haiku[10:10:41] *** dchis has joined #haiku[10:22:30] *** Teknomance1 has joined #haiku[10:24:15] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[10:26:45] *** jspiros has quit IRC[10:31:43] <Begasus> what's the ifdef used for Haiku?[10:33:48] <Ingenu> #ifdef !microsoft & !lameunixclone[10:33:50] <Ingenu> ;p[10:34:55] <Begasus> hehe ;)[10:35:13] *** jspiros has joined #haiku[10:35:18] *** tic has joined #haiku[10:35:25] <Technix> tic![10:35:36] <tic> Hey![10:35:37] <Begasus> tac[10:35:40] <Begasus> hi ;)[10:35:46] <Technix> heh[10:35:49] <Technix> funny man[10:41:03] <Technix> maybe this will help you, Begasus : http://dev.haiku-os.org/browser/haiku/trunk/headers/os/BeBuild.h[10:42:03] <Technix> B_HAIKU_VERSION_![10:42:04] <Technix> B_HAIKU_VERSION_1[10:43:58] <Begasus> not really ;)[10:45:11] <Technix> why not?[10:45:23] <Technix> what specifically were you searching for then?[10:46:41] <Begasus> need something how a sourcefile can detect Haiku[10:46:54] <Begasus> like #ifdef __BEOS__ is used by some[10:47:14] <Begasus> works in ZETA also like that[10:47:30] <Technix> um... B_HAIKU_VERSION_1 is declared in the headers, couldn't you use that to detect?[10:48:01] <Technix> are we talking about you coding some sourcefile to be cvs'd back into Haiku source?[10:48:04] <Technix> or independant?[10:48:15] <Begasus> me coding? ;)[10:48:52] <Begasus> nah staying of Haiku's code .. don't want to mess that up ;)[10:50:30] <Begasus> seems to have done the trick so far ...[10:50:42] <Begasus> B_HAIKU_VERSION_1[10:50:44] <Technix> using __BEOS__ ?[10:51:02] <Begasus> nah that was already defined .. didn't seem to be taken[10:51:13] <Technix> you're confusing[10:51:14] <Begasus> maybe they need to add that also ;)[10:51:15] <Technix> :)[10:51:16] <Begasus> hehe[10:51:30] <Begasus> well ... expected something else? ;)[10:51:57] <Technix> if it was any different, we'd wonder what aliens abducted ya![10:51:58] <Begasus> still stuck on OS.h (line 306)[10:52:03] <Begasus> yep ! ;)[10:52:16] <Technix> I miss Mousedown[10:52:21] <Technix> and Jeremy[10:54:46] *** tkack_ has joined #haiku[10:55:29] <Begasus> don't mind last thing .... need to change some defines for BEOS into B_HAIKU_VERSION_1[10:57:01] *** tkack_ has quit IRC[10:58:38] *** nils_t has quit IRC[10:59:56] <Begasus> Haiku is still holding strong ... trying to compile gettext here .. cpu is going through the roof but Haiku is still up and running! ;)[11:01:23] <Technix> nice[11:01:41] <Begasus> yeah ... I'm really impressed on the progress[11:14:31] *** plfiorini has joined #haiku[11:19:18] *** psych1 has joined #haiku[11:20:44] *** psych1 has left #haiku[11:23:51] *** psychodealiq has joined #haiku[11:25:55] *** psychodealiq has left #haiku[11:31:46] *** psychodealiq has joined #haiku[11:41:30] <Technix> hey, just a quick question, know any FREE cvs/svn sites online?[11:42:55] *** nibble has joined #haiku[11:43:34] <Begasus> err isn't sourceforge/berlios free? (never checked it)[11:45:06] <slaad> I believe so, yes.[11:45:25] <slaad> Is Berlios?[11:45:34] <slaad> Also, if it's a BeOS type project, BeClan?[11:46:26] <slaad> Or OsDrawer?[11:46:35] <Begasus> is that still up and running slaad ?[11:46:38] <PulkoMandy> berlios is free[11:46:51] <PulkoMandy> you also have google code ( http://code.google.com )[11:47:01] *** bSON has joined #haiku[11:47:28] <PulkoMandy> or opensvn, but this one only features subversion, no bugtracking, no download repository, no wiki, no website, nothing :)[11:47:47] <slaad> BeClan, Begasus? It still works if that's what yu mean :)[11:47:50] <slaad> You, even.[11:48:06] <Begasus> ;)[11:50:35] <Begasus> anyone that can acces orbitfiles.com?[11:50:48] <Technix> Server too busy. Please wait. The page will be reloaded in few seconds...[11:50:56] <Begasus> yeah .. same here :/[11:51:08] <Begasus> d*mn those free servers ... ;)[11:54:31] *** SprMa has quit IRC[11:54:56] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[11:58:44] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[11:59:12] *** clsk has joined #haiku[12:05:16] *** aroman has quit IRC[12:08:51] *** HaikuwareDev has joined #Haiku[12:10:22] <Technix> HaikuwareDev: I cannot remember whom, but someone suggested Haiku News and HaikuWare combine efforts or something[12:10:52] *** HaikuwareDev is now known as aroman[12:11:11] <aroman> hmm[12:11:19] <aroman> how do I change the default nickname in vision?[12:11:34] <Technix> should be bound to each server, in the settings?[12:11:45] <Begasus> yep[12:12:31] <aroman> aha ok... found it[12:12:33] <aroman> brb :P[12:12:34] *** aroman has quit IRC[12:12:48] *** aroman has joined #Haiku[12:13:10] <Begasus> maybe you could change the ident also ;)[12:13:25] <aroman> the ident?[12:13:44] <Begasus> * aroman (n=Haikuwar@cpe ...[12:14:32] <aroman> Begasus: done :)[12:14:39] <Begasus> ;)[12:14:54] <aroman> building Haiku on Haiku :P let's see if this works[12:14:57] <Begasus> w00t!![12:15:03] <Begasus> gettext compiled ;)[12:15:06] <aroman> I enabled 2 CPUs (dual core machine), and 1GB RAM :)[12:15:11] <aroman> in VMWare[12:15:19] <Begasus> native here ;)[12:15:24] <aroman> cool[12:16:22] *** aroman_ has joined #haiku[12:16:29] <aroman_> well[12:16:33] <aroman_> that backfired...[12:16:40] <aroman_> :([12:17:11] <aroman_> machine crashed, got into kdl and it looks like a thread was waiting on a semaphore that didn't exist (anymore?)[12:17:31] <aroman_> but it seems totally unresponsive now :([12:17:54] <Begasus> bugger[12:17:58] <aroman_> yeah[12:18:03] <aroman_> :( I gotta get some sleep though[12:18:10] <Begasus> do we need _fsetlocking?[12:18:16] <Begasus> nah! :P[12:18:39] <aroman_> I'll see if I can figure something out tomorrow... maybe I'll file a bug report if I can repro (though it's not latest svn, it's the latest dev image)[12:18:44] <aroman_> from haikuware[12:18:52] <aroman_> anyways... I'm off to bed[12:18:56] <aroman_> night everyone![12:19:09] <Begasus> night ;)[12:19:14] *** aroman_ has quit IRC[12:21:37] *** psychodealiq has left #haiku[12:23:31] *** bSON has quit IRC[12:26:44] *** slaad has left #haiku[12:27:04] *** slaad has joined #haiku[12:33:51] *** aroman has quit IRC[12:43:22] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[12:43:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[12:59:58] <Penix> hmm. building some random things from the R5 sample code package[13:00:16] <Penix> seems to work fine once you've got the makefile-engine in place[13:01:18] <Begasus> while being on the subject .. Haiku doesn't have a makefile-engine yet?[13:01:47] <Technix> I think it's in the planning stages, from what I remember[13:01:52] <Begasus> ah k[13:03:46] *** [mark] has quit IRC[13:04:45] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[13:05:18] *** bombuzal has joined #haiku[13:05:25] <Technix> pretty sure they're a few emails on the subject on Glass Elevator[13:05:48] <Begasus> np .. no biggy atm ;)[13:06:39] <Begasus> most interested in getting the SDL stuff into Haiku for now ;)[13:06:46] <Technix> yeah, I hear ya[13:08:03] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[13:08:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[13:09:04] *** Tonik has joined #haiku[13:09:59] <Technix> SpicyKeys works in Haiku, right?[13:10:28] <mmu_man> didn't try[13:11:17] <Begasus> me neither[13:11:29] <Technix> I'll have to check that some time.. just curious[13:21:14] <Technix> aw yeah[13:21:26] <Technix> tickets are done, no orders, and all servers are responding 100%[13:21:38] <Technix> time for some CSI[13:22:00] <Begasus> time to head to work ...[13:25:15] <Begasus> cya later/tomorrow peeps[13:26:23] *** AtomoZero has joined #haiku[13:26:29] <Technix> later Begasus[13:27:02] <Begasus> plop[13:27:03] *** Begasus has quit IRC[13:27:52] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[13:32:55] <stpere> morning![13:38:55] <Technix> hi stpere[13:43:48] <CIA-50> axeld * r24888 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/bfs/BPlusTree.cpp:[13:43:48] <CIA-50> * Looks like r24456 was a bit premature: with string attributes, it makes sense[13:43:48] <CIA-50> to ignore a trailing null byte, which the code now didn't do anymore.[13:43:48] <CIA-50> * This caused bug #2054.[13:55:29] *** nibble has quit IRC[13:55:44] *** bSON has joined #haiku[13:57:55] <Technix> anyone got a quick sec for me? I need a favor[13:58:19] <Technix> I need someone to hit this url: http://www.savannapower.com[13:58:29] <Technix> and tell me what they see[13:58:31] *** nibble has joined #haiku[13:58:52] <Technix> nibble: can you hit http://www.savannapower.com for me? tell me what you see?[14:00:04] <rennj> baylius family website[14:00:13] <rennj> err baylis[14:00:28] <Technix> where are you at in the world?[14:00:41] <rennj> u.s.a, pa[14:00:49] <surrounder> same here[14:00:55] <surrounder> the netherlands[14:01:21] <rennj> baylis family bbq[14:04:45] <stpere> same here[14:04:47] <stpere> Canada[14:04:50] <Technix> thx[14:05:02] <Technix> wanted to convince a client that its his ISP, and not us. :P[14:10:11] <stpere> :)[14:12:43] <Technix> thx guys[14:12:44] <Technix> heh[14:13:34] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[14:19:13] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[14:22:31] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[14:27:15] *** aljen has quit IRC[14:29:05] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[14:34:54] *** nils_t has joined #haiku[14:36:17] *** clsk has quit IRC[14:37:34] <stpere> is ticket 337 still valid?[14:39:18] <DeadYak> not sure[14:48:45] <CIA-50> axeld * r24889 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/util/khash.c: Removed unused variables.[14:49:01] <stpere> question![14:49:24] <stpere> in media preflet, checking a checkbox in setup tab change the current tab viewed[14:49:33] <stpere> is it a bug or a feature? :)[14:49:46] <stpere> if it's a bug, I will look into fixing it[14:50:23] <stpere> not all checkbox does that behaviour tho[14:50:54] <stpere> only those that happen to create a new tab[14:53:25] *** dchis has quit IRC[14:53:36] <stpere> okay, it's already reported[14:53:40] <stpere> trac is my friend[14:55:05] *** meisje has joined #haiku[14:55:28] *** dchis has joined #haiku[15:10:58] *** bSON has quit IRC[15:14:21] *** nibble has quit IRC[15:20:45] * Technix hates the new TD type game reported on digg[15:20:54] <Technix> grr.. its so... compelling[15:33:31] *** Stargater has joined #haiku[15:33:34] <Stargater> hi[15:38:20] <Technix> heyas Stargater, whats shakin?[15:41:59] <Stargater> in time nothink :-)[15:43:15] *** crash| has quit IRC[15:43:59] *** Tonik has quit IRC[15:45:30] *** crash| has joined #haiku[15:45:50] *** Tonik has joined #haiku[15:46:05] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[15:46:30] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[15:47:22] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[15:49:39] *** daste has joined #haiku[15:50:54] *** absabs has joined #haiku[15:54:53] <Stargater> Technix have you see yesterday my idear ? (haikuware + haikunews) ?[15:55:49] <Stargater> mmu_man i wish tty modul :-) God i wish tty modul :-)[15:56:16] <mmu_man> why for ? :)[15:56:48] <Stargater> Bebits = BeMobile[15:57:01] <Stargater> you remanber[15:58:18] <mmu_man> maybe I'll have a look[15:58:26] <Stargater> cool[15:58:44] *** bSON has joined #haiku[15:58:50] <Stargater> wi bSON[15:58:55] <Stargater> wi = hi;[15:59:02] <bSON> hwhw[15:59:06] <bSON> hi Stargater[15:59:15] <bSON> hwhw = hehe;[15:59:27] <Stargater> bSON = developer;[15:59:34] <slaad> Hey, mmu_man, have you ever played with archiving / unarchiving BWindows / BViews?[16:00:21] <bSON> Stargater.isRight() == true[16:00:57] <Stargater> developer.code_haiku();[16:02:26] <mmu_man> slaad not much, I recall VNCviewer uses that from resources (from a weird RAD tool), I should remove that someday[16:02:37] <mmu_man> BViews yes actually, replicants :)[16:02:38] <bSON> Stargater: if (have_time()) bSON.code_haiku(); // have_time() is currently false, unfortunately[16:02:45] <mmu_man> I have some ShelfTest sample code[16:03:35] <slaad> BViews will do... how does one unarchive a deep archive?[16:04:17] <mmu_man> it just means the archiving is recursive[16:04:27] <mmu_man> ie the BView and its children[16:04:39] <slaad> Yeah, but do I have to manually do the unarchiving?[16:04:46] <Teknomance1> hi Slaad[16:04:49] <mmu_man> the BView version of the ctor should just do it by itself[16:04:50] *** Teknomance1 is now known as Teknomancer[16:04:54] <slaad> I'd have presumed passing the message returned from a deep archive to a BWindow / BView would do that.[16:04:56] <mmu_man> if you pass the bool correctly that is[16:05:08] <slaad> What bool?[16:05:11] <slaad> Hey Teknomancer[16:05:13] <Stargater> if(bSON == have_time) {community_is_happy() } else { community_is_not_happy }[16:05:20] <Teknomancer> true or false indicating deep or not i guess...[16:05:33] <Teknomancer> i think i used to archive BMenus (deep)[16:05:41] <mmu_man> hmm[16:05:56] <slaad> Yeah, there's one for archiving. Not one for Instantiate / the BMessage constructors for BViews / BWindows[16:06:32] <slaad> Although, I have some custom BViews in the tree, which may be confusing it?[16:07:00] <mmu_man> ah no the bool is on Archive()... you can force it to false in Archive()[16:07:13] <mmu_man> but then Instanciate should do it[16:08:10] <helf> hi[16:08:22] <slaad> Hrm. I'll have to test with only B* controls. I suspect my custom views may be the cause.[16:08:33] <slaad> Shower time.[16:09:31] <mmu_man> usual problem with deep archival is you must then find the controls by name to get valid ptrs to them if you must work on them[16:09:49] <mmu_man> also, it makes things harder to create a replicant from scratch[16:09:59] <mmu_man> as you must create teh BMessage with all the child data[16:10:12] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[16:10:37] <mmu_man> so for replicants it's simpler to force the bool to false on Archive() and recreate teh controls in the archive ctor[16:18:21] <Stargater> hi wildur[16:18:35] <wildur> hi[16:19:39] <Stargater> reboot[16:19:40] *** Stargater has quit IRC[16:29:27] <slaad> Ahar. It is my custom view causing it to fail.[16:29:33] <slaad> Excellent. I can fix that tomorrw. But now... bed time.[16:29:51] * DeadYak wedgies[16:30:21] <slaad> Beep[16:41:35] <helf> hi DeadYak[16:41:45] <DeadYak> hiya[16:42:17] <absabs> morning DeakYak[16:42:27] <DeadYak> morning[16:43:40] *** burfi has joined #haiku[16:45:20] *** slaad has quit IRC[16:50:21] <Teknomancer> hi helf, DeadYak[16:50:53] <helf> hey tek[16:52:38] <CIA-50> mmu_man * r24890 /haiku/trunk/data/artwork/icons/App_TkWish:[16:52:38] <CIA-50> The artist's reinterpretation of the Tcl/Tk interpreter (wish) icon, derived from the GLTeapot one.[16:52:38] <CIA-50> It's the old oil lamp with the genius getting out. Would miss a top cover.[16:58:57] *** tkack_ has joined #haiku[17:00:26] <stpere> yawn[17:00:47] <stpere> half-caff coffee is good[17:01:05] <helf> wtf is half-caff?[17:01:12] <helf> half decaf and half normal>?[17:01:23] <stpere> half the dose of caffeine[17:01:29] <stpere> like.. undone decaff :)[17:01:37] <stpere> not undone, but incomplete[17:01:54] <helf> that's blasphemy[17:02:08] <stpere> well, it gives me a reason to drink twice as much :D[17:02:15] <mmu_man> ah, like complete wheat is white wheat where they put back the thing they removed ? :p[17:02:27] <stpere> hehehe[17:02:32] <stpere> kindof[17:02:47] * stpere don't know the commercials secrets of Maxwell House :)[17:03:09] <helf> hehe[17:03:53] * stpere is studying the possibility to buy a house[17:04:07] <stpere> there are almost no appartment available here[17:07:57] *** kuper has joined #haiku[17:09:15] *** leszek has joined #haiku[17:09:19] *** kuper has quit IRC[17:10:10] <leszek> hi[17:11:12] <stpere> hi[17:15:05] <mmu_man> http://revolf.free.fr/beos/shots/shot_haiku_hvif_icon_tcltk_wish.png :)[17:18:09] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[17:22:12] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[17:36:20] <DeadYak> mmu_man: nice :)[17:37:04] *** TuneTracker has quit IRC[17:39:56] *** Schmedly3D has quit IRC[17:44:53] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[17:45:03] <Kokito> good morning folks[17:45:28] <absabs> morming Kokito:)[17:45:29] * Kokito played with icon-o-matic until late last night, but still deasn't get it[17:45:34] <Kokito> hey absabs[17:46:01] <absabs> hehee[17:46:25] <DeadYak> Kokito: Axel looks to have fixed your query bug, want a new build?[17:46:28] *** luroh has joined #haiku[17:46:37] <Kokito> yay! :P[17:46:47] <Kokito> Axel is da man![17:46:56] <Kokito> DeadYak, yes, please :)[17:47:05] <DeadYak> k, gimme a moment to adjust some settings..[17:47:08] <DeadYak> old IDE stack presumably?[17:47:20] <Kokito> yes[17:47:32] <Kokito> no rush DeadYak[17:49:24] <Kokito> mmu_man, I have a conference this weekend where we'll have a Haiku booth. do you have anything that will work in Haiku that would be nice for show and tell?[17:50:08] <mmu_man> I think you tried im_kit[17:50:10] <mmu_man> hmm[17:50:17] <mmu_man> XEmacs doesn't work yet :p[17:50:26] <DeadYak> mmu_man: the R5 bin doesn't either?[17:50:40] <mmu_man> DeadYak no, due to the dump process + vm split reversal[17:50:45] <DeadYak> ah.[17:50:51] *** dchis has quit IRC[17:50:53] <mmu_man> it'd try to load lisp in the kernel space :))[17:50:56] <DeadYak> why does XEmacs care about the addr?[17:51:08] <DeadYak> is there a particular reason it forces the addr?[17:51:13] *** mats has joined #haiku[17:51:17] <mmu_man> because it dumps itself with pointers already set[17:51:28] <DeadYak> ahh.[17:51:29] <mmu_man> ie after the init code has been run[17:51:34] <DeadYak> interesting[17:51:51] <mmu_man> at least the R5 bin refuses to load IIRC[17:52:12] <mmu_man> Kokito conf for devs or end users ?[17:52:25] <mmu_man> I added printing support to Pe but it's not finished[17:52:35] <mmu_man> btw[17:53:06] <mmu_man> hmm I could try to update SANE to work with Haiku[17:53:15] <mmu_man> (remove the need for usb_scanner driver)[17:53:39] <mmu_man> you have a scanner ?[17:53:55] <mmu_man> I could add Sanity to svn, Philippe wouldn't mind I think[17:53:59] <Kokito> mmu_man, mostly devs Y suppose[17:54:36] <Kokito> mmu_man, yes, but I don't have the space to put it in the booth :)[17:54:57] <mmu_man> ok[17:55:20] <mmu_man> depends also if you want to talk about dev (API) or mostly demo[17:55:44] <stpere> mmu_man, being a Philippe, I effectively don't mind :P[17:55:47] <Kokito> mostly demo[17:55:56] <mmu_man> stpere lol[17:56:10] <DeadYak> Kokito: uploading, gimme a while[17:56:34] <Kokito> I always avoid talking about stuff that I can't intelligently have a discussion about :)[17:56:38] *** tic has quit IRC[17:56:45] <Kokito> DeadYak, THANKS![17:57:02] * Kokito used the caps key on purpose :P[17:57:11] <stpere> pressed shift before? ;-)[17:57:41] <DeadYak> my connection to SF is sucking right now though, this will take a while :/[17:57:48] <DeadYak> not sure what's up with my cable modem[17:58:09] <mmu_man> Kokito ok, cause if you want tech slides remember there are some here:[17:58:10] <mmu_man> http://revolf.free.fr/beos/BeGeistert-13/[17:58:18] <mmu_man> http://revolf.free.fr/beos/Numerica/[17:58:24] <mmu_man> http://revolf.free.fr/Alchimie-7/[17:58:52] <Kokito> stpere :)[17:58:56] <mmu_man> (do we have a page on the website listing those tech slides btw ?)[17:59:12] <Kokito> mmu_man, will not be doing any presentations. just show and tell at the booth[17:59:22] <mmu_man> k[17:59:33] <Kokito> mmu_man, we don't have such a page yet, but we should...[18:00:01] <mmu_man> from what I saw at FOSDEM, fs/query stuff interested many ppl[18:00:16] <mmu_man> like the IM Kit I showed to an XMPP/Jabber guy[18:00:22] <mmu_man> and bookmarks to a moz guy :)[18:00:23] <Kokito> bfs queries are the highlight of all my demos :)[18:00:25] <DeadYak> ok, downstreaming it to work seems fine....[18:00:39] <DeadYak> gimme a little while Koki, pulling it down here[18:00:40] <mmu_man> do you have network access ?[18:00:46] <mmu_man> I shoudl make sure googlefs still works[18:00:47] <Kokito> DeadYak, really, no rush[18:01:01] <DeadYak> mmu_man: probably doesn't since Ingo's VFS changes[18:01:06] <mmu_man> oh right[18:01:07] <mmu_man> crap[18:01:17] <mmu_man> yeah all fs except BFS are out of use for now[18:01:18] <DeadYak> don't know how much work those are to adapt to[18:01:32] <Kokito> mmu_man, there is wireless and I am bringing with me a eth>wifi adaptor. if I can make it work, then we will have net access[18:01:33] <mmu_man> but you can surely show some stuff under BeOS/Zeta[18:01:49] <mmu_man> that's what I did at FOSDEM, I said it didn't work atm in Haiku but it worked in BeOS[18:01:58] <Kokito> I really hope I can make it work, cause would love to be able to show firefox/vision/imkit/etc.[18:03:59] <helf> wow, 320kb/s off this torrent[18:04:06] <helf> 14gb in 16hours.. not bad :)[18:09:09] *** Schmedly3D has joined #haiku[18:12:46] *** bSON has quit IRC[18:13:07] <mmu_man> Kokito just pet Ingo to fix the vfs :)[18:13:25] <mmu_man> does network work for you ?[18:13:31] <Kokito> yes[18:13:36] <mmu_man> doesn't here, maybe cause I have 2 cards[18:14:04] <DeadYak> mmu_man: Axel already fixed the query problem[18:14:10] <DeadYak> turned out it wasn't VFS-related :)[18:15:39] <mmu_man> I meant the vfs API[18:16:02] *** MichaelHenry has joined #haiku[18:16:10] <DeadYak> I thought it's just all the FS addons need to be adapted to the changed API?[18:16:53] <mmu_man> yes but he's testing stuff so it's not yet fixed[18:17:50] <DeadYak> ah.[18:22:26] *** Tonik has quit IRC[18:23:36] *** tkack_ has quit IRC[18:27:12] *** _Lucretia_ has quit IRC[18:28:43] *** nibble has joined #haiku[18:32:38] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[18:33:40] *** pyCube_ has joined #haiku[18:34:14] *** Kokito has quit IRC[18:37:26] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[18:39:08] *** _Lucretia_ has joined #haiku[18:41:47] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[18:44:59] *** SprMa has quit IRC[18:46:35] <CIA-50> mmu_man * r24891 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/device/USBDevice.cpp: Set close-on-exec flag on USB Kit device descriptors, so apps launched by Tracker won't inherit all the fds to hubs as they do on Zeta :)[18:48:05] *** absabs has quit IRC[18:48:41] *** nils_t has quit IRC[18:49:29] <Teknomancer> nite all[18:49:31] *** Teknomancer has left #haiku[18:49:36] *** pyCube has quit IRC[18:50:06] *** Schmedly3D has quit IRC[18:51:27] *** koki_haiku has joined #haiku[19:04:30] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[19:24:27] *** aljen has joined #haiku[19:24:30] <aljen> hey =)[19:25:46] <stpere> hi![19:25:53] <stpere> new mockup? :)[19:29:34] *** nibble has quit IRC[19:29:43] *** nibble has joined #haiku[19:29:57] *** zlominus_ has joined #haiku[19:31:53] *** Wiss has joined #haiku[19:32:15] *** zlominus has quit IRC[19:34:46] *** bogomipz has joined #haiku[19:35:16] <aljen> stpere: me ? nope :)[19:35:37] <aljen> trying to add support for themes[19:37:21] *** ThomHolwerda has quit IRC[19:39:19] <koki_haiku> aljen, have you talked to mmu_man or seen his theme-related code? I believe he had been doing something for haiku (although I may be wrong)[19:41:00] <aljen> koki_haiku: yes, i talked with him :)[19:41:09] <mmu_man> yes I showed him the Theme app[19:41:26] <mmu_man> and skin-o-be :p[19:41:44] <mmu_man> http://revolf.free.fr/beos/apps/skinobe/[19:41:56] <DeadYak> mmu_man: pun of shinobi intentional? :)[19:42:30] <mmu_man> :)[19:42:34] <aljen> mmu_man: but i was thinking about diffrent approach, file format similar to flat icon from libicon for vector image :)[19:43:07] <aljen> for controls look[19:44:33] *** urnenfeld has joined #haiku[19:44:42] * DeadYak pets urnenfeld[19:45:03] <AtomoZero> mmu_man cool![19:51:07] *** oco has joined #haiku[20:05:02] <CIA-50> mmu_man * r24892 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/device/USBDevice.cpp: Coding style :P[20:05:12] <urnenfeld> hi DeadYak ;)[20:06:33] *** koki_haiku has quit IRC[20:07:51] *** koki_haiku has joined #haiku[20:11:43] <leszek> I'll be back ;)[20:12:08] *** leszek has quit IRC[20:12:47] <DeadYak> urnenfeld: how's it going?[20:15:18] *** dchis has joined #haiku[20:23:49] *** katisu has joined #haiku[20:23:49] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[20:23:58] *** katisu is now known as [Katisu][20:30:47] <urnenfeld> DeadYak: ... well u know .. a bit down[20:33:09] *** Schmedly3D has joined #haiku[20:36:30] <helf> turn that frown upside down[20:37:59] <bogomipz> ):[20:38:45] *** dchis_ has joined #haiku[20:38:58] *** dchis has quit IRC[20:39:03] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[20:39:12] *** dchis_ is now known as dchis[20:39:23] <helf> aargh[20:39:27] <helf> i swear to GOD[20:39:29] <helf> i hate firefox[20:39:44] *** kuper has joined #haiku[20:40:28] *** kuper is now known as JMCS[20:41:09] <urnenfeld> JMCS: :)[20:41:24] <JMCS> me too[20:42:00] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[20:42:42] *** [Katisu] has joined #haiku[20:42:54] <urnenfeld> can u give more details of the problem JMCS ?[20:44:13] <JMCS> the problem is, when you update the svn source tree to build the haiku image or any other parts, the jam make file ask only for a gcc-haiku compiler[20:44:23] <DeadYak> JMCS: did you build the cross compiler?[20:44:27] <JMCS> but i have only installed the gcc-beos-2.95[20:44:31] <DeadYak> that won't work.[20:44:41] <JMCS> why?[20:44:42] <DeadYak> there was a change to the ELF loader some time ago that renders BeOS gcc incompatible[20:44:56] <DeadYak> because Haiku is now capable of supporting undefined symbols, which BeOS gcc cannot do[20:44:57] <JMCS> so what have I to do?[20:45:05] <DeadYak> so on BeOS platforms you have to use configure --build-cross-tools also\[20:45:16] <urnenfeld> that easy DeadYak ?[20:45:21] <DeadYak> you need to checkout haiku/buildtools/trunk[20:45:39] <DeadYak> then do ./configure --build-cross-tools /path/to/buildtools/trunk[20:45:47] <DeadYak> that will set it up with the cross compiler[20:45:52] <DeadYak> though it will take some time to build that[20:46:07] <JMCS> sound easy, someone should update the haiku web side for this instruction[20:46:19] <DeadYak> JMCS: it's more or less the same instructions as cross building from linux[20:46:24] <DeadYak> minus the part about installing all those apt packages[20:47:29] <JMCS> i did worked only with beos not with linux, so i didn't know that. Ok will try it, thanks for the instruction![20:47:43] <DeadYak> JMCS: np, it was mostly only really announced on the dev list / commit list[20:47:50] <DeadYak> JMCS: let me know if you run into issues with that[20:48:58] <oco> building the cross compiler is not necessary : there is a binary available[20:49:45] <oco> http://www.haiku-os.org/development : GCC Haiku cross compiler[20:50:18] <JMCS> thanks that helps and make's it much faster![20:50:37] <DeadYak> oco: that one works directly on R5?[20:50:50] <oco> yes[20:51:04] <DeadYak> wasn't sure[20:51:21] <oco> I have use it on BeOS bone and someone report it work on R5 netserver[20:51:29] <DeadYak> generally a haiku binary's not 100% guaranteed to be R5 compat, depending on what it relies on POSIX-wise :)[20:51:42] <oco> the only thing is to install it in a specific folder[20:52:02] <oco> it is not an haiku binary[20:52:21] <oco> this compiler generate haiku binaries[20:52:31] <DeadYak> oh![20:52:36] <DeadYak> didn't realize mlotz had posted that[20:52:52] <DeadYak> I thought you were linking to Ingo's binary package of the Haiku toolchain[20:52:56] <DeadYak> mea culpa :)[20:53:15] <oco> the package contains all this[20:53:40] <DeadYak> oco: right, I just thought it was pointing at the packages that get installed on the haiku image if you pick to add Development pkgs[20:54:39] <oco> i have not tried to build haiku on haiku yet... maybe one day...[20:54:52] <DeadYak> I've been trying to track down one of the issues I run into when doing that[20:54:55] <oco> DeadYak : no problem :)[20:58:30] *** JMCS_ has joined #haiku[20:59:37] <Thom_Holwerda> new comic[20:59:38] <Thom_Holwerda> http://www.osnews.com/comics[20:59:41] <DeadYak> noticed[20:59:54] <DeadYak> though I'm not completely sure why you chose toilet paper rolls there[21:01:44] <bogomipz> because the "standard" is BS ?[21:02:05] <DeadYak> so you say, without having read it?[21:02:20] <bogomipz> sure ;)[21:02:29] <Thom_Holwerda> boh just seemed funny to me[21:02:30] <Thom_Holwerda> that's all[21:02:36] <Thom_Holwerda> no deeper meaning.[21:03:55] *** nibble has quit IRC[21:04:07] *** nibble has joined #haiku[21:05:35] <DeadYak> Thom_Holwerda: I dunno, I just have a hard time laughing at the ones that completely feed into the anti-MS zealot flames on OSN[21:05:43] <DeadYak> those guys get old fast.[21:06:04] <Thom_Holwerda> all zealots get old really fast[21:06:24] <DeadYak> indeed but they seem to generally be by far the most vocal crowd on there[21:06:41] <Thom_Holwerda> i dont divide them up in groups[21:06:56] <Thom_Holwerda> a zealot is a zealot, an unwelcome element, whether it be an ms zealot or an apple zealot[21:07:55] <pyCube_> all this anti-zealot zealotry is getting old[21:08:09] <DeadYak> lol[21:11:49] *** EuanK has joined #haiku[21:12:38] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[21:12:54] <DHowett> Kokito: ping[21:13:48] <Kokito> hey DHowett[21:14:04] <DeadYak> hi EuanK[21:14:14] <EuanK> howdy[21:14:20] <DHowett> hey! :) http://dhowett.rh.rit.edu/~dustin/haiku 24892 has the attribute fix from 24888 in it.. as it were :)[21:14:39] <DeadYak> DHowett: just curious, do you include Opensound in your builds?[21:14:50] <DHowett> I do.[21:15:09] <Kokito> DeadYak, that may explain DHowett's magic :)[21:15:22] <DeadYak> that answers that.[21:15:35] <DeadYak> noted :)[21:15:55] <Kokito> DHowett, downloading. thanks![21:16:04] <DHowett> anytime ^^[21:16:07] *** JMCS has quit IRC[21:16:21] <Thom_Holwerda> why does luposian insist on detailing his personal relationship with his harddrive on the ML?[21:16:24] <DeadYak> Kokito: added that to my build config file for you for the future[21:17:03] <Thom_Holwerda> i mean, i feel a lot of affection for my PSU too but you dont see me sprawling that all over the m-l.[21:17:32] <DeadYak> lol[21:18:59] *** Mike667 has joined #haiku[21:19:19] <Mike667> w00t! just found a BeOS replacement via OSN![21:19:35] <EuanK> where? tell me where???[21:19:35] <Mike667> so how far have you come with Haiku? Can I start using it for real stuff?[21:19:45] <Mike667> Here EuanK[21:19:51] <Mike667> this is the Haiku channel right? for the OS?[21:19:56] <Thom_Holwerda> yup.[21:19:58] <EuanK> No, this is for poems[21:20:01] *** Tonik has joined #haiku[21:20:01] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[21:20:06] <EuanK> damm u Thom. your no fun[21:20:07] <Thom_Holwerda> EuanK: that one is SO old.[21:20:12] <Thom_Holwerda> heh :P[21:20:24] <EuanK> it's never old to a newbie[21:20:38] <Mike667> Thom Holwerda of Lame Comics fame?!?!?![21:21:23] <Kokito> DeadYak, thanks![21:22:40] <Mike667> will my R5 binaries "just work" ?[21:22:50] <Mike667> they've been collecting dust for 10 years[21:23:02] <Mike667> well, 8[21:23:12] <EuanK> yes they will just work, no more tho[21:23:18] <Mike667> hah[21:23:21] <EuanK> might even half work[21:23:34] <EuanK> still a lot of development going on.[21:23:41] <Mike667> so not production ready?[21:23:44] <EuanK> lots of R5 apps do run thoug[21:23:51] <EuanK> no it's pre-alpha[21:24:05] <Mike667> urgh[21:24:12] <Thom_Holwerda> Mike667: i have this thing with wanting to know how old people are[21:24:15] <Thom_Holwerda> how old are you?[21:24:18] <Mike667> 19[21:24:19] <Thom_Holwerda> if i may ask :)[21:24:22] <Mike667> you?[21:24:24] <Thom_Holwerda> ah ok, thanks.[21:24:27] <Thom_Holwerda> oh 23.[21:24:28] <Mike667> heh[21:24:31] <DHowett> Hey, He's older than me =[[21:24:36] <surrounder> Thom_Holwerda: old fart![21:24:37] * surrounder runs[21:24:41] <EuanK> ah I beat all of you[21:24:52] * Thom_Holwerda hits surrounder with an old r5 disc[21:24:55] <Mike667> Thom_Holwerda, sorry to break it to you, but your comics aren't so comical. I like OSN though.[21:24:58] <surrounder> :D[21:25:01] *** koki_haiku has quit IRC[21:25:15] *** koki_haiku has joined #haiku[21:25:24] <Thom_Holwerda> Mike667: i dont really care what people think of the comics :) it's osnews that matters, and if you like it, that's great :).[21:25:51] <Mike667> maybe link in some hackles in stead so we can have a laugh[21:26:01] <surrounder> (osnews + comics)++ ole o//[21:26:18] <Thom_Holwerda> hackles?[21:26:28] <surrounder> hackles rocks![21:26:34] <Mike667> http://hackles.org/cgi-bin/archives.pl?request=1[21:26:43] <DeadYak> EuanK: but do you beat me?[21:26:44] <Mike667> real humour[21:26:54] <EuanK> dunno who do you beat?[21:26:57] <Thom_Holwerda> buh antropmorphic comedy :([21:27:09] * Mike667 likes[21:27:09] <DeadYak> EuanK: dunno, I'm 28 though[21:27:10] <EuanK> I was 19ish when R5 was out[21:27:17] <EuanK> damm[21:27:17] <Thom_Holwerda> xkcd is the real thing.[21:27:23] <EuanK> when were you 28?[21:27:24] <Mike667> xkcd is fun[21:27:27] <DeadYak> EuanK: Feb 19[21:27:29] <CIA-50> mmu_man * r24893 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/thread.cpp: Report the stack size from getrlimit(), we might want to get fancier later but that should be enough. Tcl will want that.[21:27:37] <EuanK> ah Feb 7 up urs![21:27:40] <DeadYak> haha[21:27:43] * pyCube_ turned 34 on Feb 3[21:27:51] <Mike667> hm, i was 11 when i used R5... my second OS install[21:27:57] <EuanK> sorry to hear that :([21:28:06] <DeadYak> pyCube_: wow, same birthday as my mom[21:28:10] <DeadYak> seriously[21:28:12] <Thom_Holwerda> buh over 30? you're dying dude.[21:28:13] <EuanK> same age too![21:28:16] <DHowett> Doesn't umccullough win the age game? Or come pretty close from the numbers i've heard.[21:28:17] <pyCube_> DeadYak: heh[21:28:26] <Mike667> DeadYak, no coincidence given the amount of ppl here[21:28:29] <Mike667> birthday paradox[21:28:30] <DeadYak> pyCube_: albeit off by 20ish years[21:28:40] <Mike667> no surprise, rather[21:28:42] *** Pulko_Mandy has joined #haiku[21:28:58] <pyCube_> feb 3 kicks ass!![21:29:00] <pyCube_> :-p[21:29:35] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[21:29:49] *** MindChld2 has joined #haiku[21:30:20] *** Pulko_Mandy is now known as PulkoMandy[21:30:31] * Technix kicks pyCube_[21:30:58] <pyCube_> hi Technix[21:30:58] * urnenfeld pets PulkoMandy[21:31:40] <Technix> hi buddy[21:31:46] <ddew|bofh> hihihi, this is such a weird feeling[21:31:48] <pyCube_> Technix: long time.. whats new?[21:31:55] <koki_haiku> what version of Soundplay works in Haiku?[21:31:55] <Technix> so, you'll never believe me, but here goes... I've started learning Python.[21:31:55] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[21:31:56] <ddew|bofh> sshing into my shellbox from a dos machine :)[21:32:12] <pyCube_> Technix: hehe.. about time..[21:32:15] <Technix> shh[21:32:16] <EuanK> that's just sick![21:32:35] *** Mike667 has quit IRC[21:32:43] <Technix> It's the only language Google App Engine uses currently, so... :([21:32:54] <DHowett> Technix: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO![21:32:56] <DHowett> Technix: Oh. Okay.[21:32:57] <Technix> I figure it might prove to be very useful someday[21:33:10] <Technix> GAE that is. :P[21:33:20] <Technix> I hope they support PHP soon[21:33:37] <Technix> omg, just realized what that sounds like, phonetically.[21:33:48] * JonathanThompson visits home for lunch from Clusterfooooock corp-in-the-making[21:33:55] <DeadYak> haha[21:34:02] <Technix> Having some sheep stew today, jt?[21:34:35] <JonathanThompson> Baah![21:34:38] *** MindChild has quit IRC[21:34:53] <pyCube_> i looked at that google app engine stuff.. meh[21:34:54] *** mmu has joined #haiku[21:34:55] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[21:35:00] <Technix> pyCube_: I moved back from NL in 2006, btw.[21:35:07] <Technix> not sure if I told you what's all new with me[21:35:18] <pyCube_> Technix: yeah.. i think i recall you moving back[21:35:38] <pyCube_> Technix: i just moved back to california in dec 07[21:35:39] <Technix> I'm working at a great ISP, good job[21:35:40] <mmu> grrr[21:35:47] <mmu> power lossage[21:35:52] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[21:35:52] <mmu> lightning[21:35:54] <Technix> http://www.tera-byte.com <-- awesome hosting facility[21:36:00] <mmu> I should shut down before I burn a PSU and a hub like some months ago[21:36:23] <pyCube_> Technix: i am working here: http://www.imagemoversdigital.com[21:36:29] <pyCube_> ..hence the move[21:36:53] <Technix> ah, you have a cooler looking website, no fair[21:36:58] <pyCube_> heh[21:37:26] * JonathanThompson offers to mmu to sell his battle-hardened hardware that's gone through an indirect lightning strike, a direct lightning strike, and a 210 foot tall crane collapsing on the building[21:37:39] *** Pulko-Mandy has joined #haiku[21:37:53] <DHowett> Dude, AWESOME.[21:38:09] <xcasex> Technix: DUDE![21:38:10] <Technix> pyCube_: I've been really inspired lately, and have some writings in the oven again! Its kinda nice[21:38:15] <Technix> xcasex![21:38:18] <Technix> omg[21:38:22] <pyCube_> hehe[21:38:27] <xcasex> Technix: wth, STATUS REPORT SITREP YUO NAME IT![21:38:28] <Technix> wtf, is this old home week?[21:38:42] <pyCube_> man, we are partying like its 1999.. in true beos fashion[21:38:44] <xcasex> tss ;[21:38:46] * Technix sits on xcasex's rep[21:38:47] <xcasex> ;D[21:38:50] <xcasex> haha[21:38:51] <Technix> :P[21:39:05] * xcasex works for swedens largest energy producer nowadays as their linux guy :D[21:39:11] * JonathanThompson imagines "Smells like Nirvana" playing[21:39:12] <Technix> niiiiiiiiiiiice[21:39:23] <xcasex> two kids and a fiance :)[21:39:26] <Technix> actually, I have Weezer playing in my head now[21:39:37] * JonathanThompson wheezes without music being involved[21:39:44] <Technix> hey! I'm similar dude.. got back with my ex, she has two kids, and we're getting married in a few years[21:39:47] <JonathanThompson> Tis the seazin to be wheezin'[21:39:58] <pyCube_> xcasex: working in film industry, wife and 3 kids :-p[21:40:03] * JonathanThompson imagines micro-Technix's running around[21:40:12] <Technix> you've had kids forever though, pyCube_[21:40:24] <JonathanThompson> And me, I'm currently working for a major Clusterfooooock-corp-in-the-making ;)[21:40:36] <JonathanThompson> If he had them forever, they'd be adults by now ;)[21:40:40] <pyCube_> JonathanThompson: getting weird there?[21:40:45] <xcasex> Technix: cooool :D[21:40:46] <Technix> getting?[21:40:49] <xcasex> Technix: need writers?[21:40:52] <DeadYak> pyCube_: I was going to say, getting?[21:40:54] <Technix> xcasex: hell yea[21:40:58] <JonathanThompson> Redundant, pyCube_ :P[21:41:01] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[21:41:08] *** dchis has quit IRC[21:41:09] <JonathanThompson> Have you seen Arstechnica's headlines today, pyCube_?[21:41:11] <xcasex> Technix: lemme see what i can pitch this weekend then :D[21:41:15] <pyCube_> nope[21:41:34] <DeadYak> http://feeds.arstechnica.com/~r/arstechnica/BAaf/~3/267763000/20080410-yahoos-new-bold-anti-microsoft-plan-clusterfoooock.html[21:41:37] <Technix> xcasex: even better, go here: http://haikunews.org/services/create/[21:41:37] <DeadYak> ^^ pyCube_[21:41:57] <Technix> make an account, I'll set you to Journalist level, and you can write it whenever you want[21:42:10] *** JMCS_ has quit IRC[21:42:29] <Technix> reminds me, I have to tweak my users backend[21:42:32] <xcasex> sweet :D[21:42:33] <Technix> shut up jt[21:42:40] <xcasex> brb[21:42:45] <Technix> kk[21:43:01] <pyCube_> hmm..[21:43:11] <Technix> ok, go ahead, jt, let it out...[21:43:16] <Technix> I know it'll make you feel better.[21:43:51] <xcasex> man oh man.[21:43:55] <xcasex> running haiku native[21:44:00] <xcasex> everything is supported and running.[21:44:11] <EuanK> lucky for some :)[21:44:14] * JonathanThompson tweaks Technix's backend[21:44:14] <Technix> very nice.[21:44:17] <xcasex> only thing its lacking is a semi translucent terminal ;[21:44:22] <mmu> eark[21:44:24] <xcasex> ;)[21:44:29] <Technix> damn, that was meant for xcasex's comment[21:44:31] <Technix> damn u[21:44:46] <xcasex> riiiight ;[21:44:47] <xcasex> ;D[21:44:49] <JonathanThompson> :P[21:45:06] <JonathanThompson> Well, after you neutered me last night in the channel, I need something/someone to look forward to :D[21:45:07] <xcasex> btw i love firefox[21:45:12] <Technix> lol[21:45:25] <xcasex> i love how firefox has this really funny redrawing issue[21:45:37] <xcasex> but i much prefer webkit[21:45:48] <Technix> I haven't played with webkit much[21:45:49] <DeadYak> xcasex: it's hitting some weird edge case in the app_server that sippi hasn't been able to track down[21:45:52] * JonathanThompson considers selling a disk storage system with backup lights and an annoyingly loud beeper[21:46:06] <Technix> with an LCARS interface?[21:46:12] <mmu> xcasex http://revolf.free.fr/beos/transpexec.cpp :P[21:46:13] <JonathanThompson> Absolutely![21:46:16] <xcasex> JonathanThompson: its called "drobo"[21:46:17] <Technix> that woudl rock[21:46:19] <xcasex> mmu: haha :D[21:46:24] <xcasex> DeadYak: that explains it :D[21:46:39] * JonathanThompson wonders if musical tour busses come equipped with backing-up singers going "Beep! Beep! Beep!"[21:47:42] <xcasex> mmu: dude. btw. does skinobe work on haiku?[21:47:57] <Technix> laters all, I have to get some sleep[21:48:00] <xcasex> later[21:48:03] <Technix> working nights[21:48:14] * JonathanThompson staples Technix into bed in the 51st US state[21:48:22] <Technix> mmmm.. staples[21:48:26] <JonathanThompson> AKA "North Montana"[21:48:29] * Technix feels snug and secure[21:48:51] <Technix> she's about 18 now, right? Time to go to South Montana?[21:48:59] <JonathanThompson> Sure![21:49:11] <JonathanThompson> Montana girls live in a cold state, but they have warm hearts ;)[21:53:52] *** stippi has joined #haiku[21:53:53] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[21:54:09] <DeadYak> hi stippi[21:54:21] <stippi> hi[21:54:25] <aljen> hey stippi :)[21:54:26] <helf> hey stippi[21:55:53] <CIA-50> mmlr * r24894 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)[21:55:53] <CIA-50> A few more things to get the USB stack working under BeOS again. We now have[21:55:53] <CIA-50> KDEBUG on by default which causes benaphores to always use their semaphore.[21:55:53] <CIA-50> Therefore when initing the benaphore with the inline compatibility function[21:55:53] <CIA-50> and then using it using the lock.h provided inline would always cause a[21:55:56] <CIA-50> deadlock and a hanging system under BeOS. Also we now (re-)define the[21:55:58] <CIA-50> B_KERNEL_{READ|WRITE}_AREA defines for non Haiku targets to 0 apparently which[21:57:02] *** clsk has joined #haiku[21:58:01] <xcasex> who was it that had nighty builds of haiku native gcc etc?[22:00:07] <DeadYak> xcasex: you're thinking of haikuware I believe[22:00:52] <xcasex> no someone linked a haiku-os.org/subfolder the other night[22:01:24] <DeadYak> those are probably the ones the build system pulls[22:01:27] <DeadYak> those aren't updated nightly :)[22:01:54] <xcasex> oh, well what was that link again? :D[22:02:24] *** stippi has quit IRC[22:02:28] <DeadYak> http://haiku-files.org/files/optional-packages - that?[22:02:33] <xcasex> yeah[22:02:48] <geist> hmm, I seem to remember finding that benaphore problem a long time ago[22:02:55] *** duaneb has joined #haiku[22:02:56] <geist> or at least something very similar[22:03:56] *** DHowett has left #haiku[22:05:13] *** mmu has quit IRC[22:08:37] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[22:08:42] <EuanK> gah how hard is it to view a simply video feed on linux through a generic bt848 card...[22:11:09] <geist> requires years of training, discipline[22:11:12] <geist> stamina[22:11:22] <geist> and the desire to win[22:11:39] <EuanK> where can I get some, and is it gnome native?[22:12:35] <geist> that is a mystery[22:12:42] <geist> best left unsolved, I bet[22:13:02] <EuanK> Beos R4.5 bootable CD had the driver and an app that worked out the box[22:13:06] <EuanK> sigh[22:14:10] <EuanK> I might move my "other" os back to windowz as this linux stuff just isn't up to the job. a million drivers is useless without a coherent interface and drivers that are stable (referencing my USB DVB stick's support)[22:17:54] <EuanK> ironic though that the windows bt848 driver is GPl and works perfect...[22:18:15] <helf> LINUX SUX[22:18:20] * helf stomps off[22:18:30] <EuanK> yeah it just scrapes by[22:18:39] <helf> seriosuly[22:18:46] <EuanK> if only there was a distro that didn't have all the garbage[22:18:49] <helf> it's clusterfuck development model doesn't really work *that* well[22:18:56] <helf> debian! ;)[22:19:06] <EuanK> 10000 command line apps no normal person ever uses[22:19:17] <helf> i use them...[22:19:36] <EuanK> I bet you use no more than 10 on a regular basis[22:19:42] <helf> ...so[22:19:43] <helf> :P[22:19:56] <EuanK> I use grep, ls, cd, and jam, and the latter 3 don't really count[22:19:58] <helf> but then you'd have the issue off GUI apps using cli apps[22:20:05] <duaneb> ahh, I love youtube.[22:20:11] <duaneb> "OS X? interesting..did you know that it is basically the same as linux? well based on Unix but same kernel etc. I liek the GUI of OS X but it is damn slow compared to linux."[22:20:19] <helf> uh[22:20:21] <helf> wait[22:20:24] <helf> youtube comment?[22:20:24] <helf> i hope[22:20:49] <helf> It's like the worlds greatest idiots cluster at myspace and youtube[22:20:59] <duaneb> yea :P[22:21:03] <duaneb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBq56Ovx38I[22:21:08] <EuanK> there's no pron there, thus it doesn't exist[22:21:13] <helf> heh[22:21:27] <helf> The amount of misinformation is unreal.[22:21:31] <Thom_Holwerda> did you know you can actually disable youtube comments when you post a video?[22:21:41] <Thom_Holwerda> WHY DOESNT ANYONE DO THAT?[22:21:42] <helf> And the lack of coherent thoughts and total lack of langauge skills astounds me :)[22:21:54] <helf> thom : half the vids i look at have them disabled :P[22:22:02] <helf> I see more and more videos with comments disabled[22:22:17] <Thom_Holwerda> that's a good thing[22:22:24] <helf> yep[22:22:28] <Thom_Holwerda> youtube is really the drainage pit of the internet[22:22:30] <Thom_Holwerda> seriousy[22:22:33] <Thom_Holwerda> the comments at least[22:22:48] <helf> At least the OSN comments haven't quite dropped that low ;)[22:22:49] <pyCube_> depends on how youre using it..[22:22:58] <duaneb> because they all hope that people will say "OMG I LOVE THIS VIDEO!!!1!11ONE"[22:22:58] <helf> They are still slightly higher than Diggs[22:23:19] <pyCube_> i like youtube..but hten, i never randomly peruse it.. certianly never bother looking at comments[22:23:21] <helf> "ha ha dat is da awsum thang evar!:"[22:23:32] <helf> I love looking for videos[22:23:37] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[22:23:40] <helf> I try to not pay any attention to comments[22:23:48] * DaaT slaps Begasus[22:23:49] <pyCube_> i have yet you understand wtf digg is for..[22:24:10] <pyCube_> all i know is that when i find myself on a digg page, i get confused and walk away[22:24:11] <Begasus> thnx DaaT !! missed that ;)[22:24:14] <Begasus> evening peeps btw[22:24:32] <DaaT> i know you did :)[22:24:40] <Begasus> how's it going DaaT? haven't seen you in a while?[22:24:53] <DaaT> doing good, just haven't been here much[22:25:08] <Begasus> noticed ;)[22:25:12] <Begasus> good to hear[22:25:15] <DaaT> been trying to get away from you :P[22:25:20] <DaaT> and how are you doing?[22:25:35] <Begasus> busy at work .. so pretty fine thnx[22:25:50] <EuanK> check out comment 3 for basics in video in on linux.[22:25:53] <helf> pyCube_, yeah, me too. It's like a giant email forward list[22:26:01] <Thom_Holwerda> DaaT?![22:26:02] <EuanK> I can't even be bothered reading it again. sigh.[22:26:04] * Thom_Holwerda cheers[22:26:09] <EuanK> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=23660[22:26:10] <DaaT> finally Thom_Holwerda :P[22:26:11] <helf> its daat![22:26:17] <DaaT> took you long enough[22:26:18] *** PedroPinto has joined #haiku[22:26:21] <DaaT> its helf![22:26:26] <PedroPinto> Hello![22:26:29] <duaneb> pyCube_: reddit[22:26:30] <DaaT> its PedroPinto![22:26:35] <Begasus> hi[22:26:59] <Begasus> you can hear DaaT's back in the house 0_o[22:27:03] <DaaT> :P[22:27:16] <Begasus> how's the 'hurd'? <eg>[22:27:25] <DaaT> they're fine as usual, thanks[22:27:26] <DaaT> :P[22:27:43] <xcasex> so where should i put gcc on the haiku system? :D[22:27:45] <Begasus> missed the sheep slapping this morning :P[22:27:50] <DaaT> lol[22:28:16] <DaaT> PedroPinto, where from?[22:28:22] <Begasus> xcasex, should be explained in the readme[22:28:37] <xcasex> oh ah haha yes, yes it should be :D[22:29:03] <xcasex> and it doesnt have a readme :D[22:29:08] <PedroPinto> Portugal[22:29:23] <Begasus> been setting up a Haiku dev enviroment also in the last days ;)[22:29:26] <Begasus> figures :P[22:29:38] *** pyCube_ has quit IRC[22:29:48] <DaaT> PedroPinto, bem me parecia :)[22:29:56] <PedroPinto> lol[22:30:02] <PedroPinto> and you?[22:30:06][22:30:16] <Begasus> tandem?[22:30:22] *** duaneb has quit IRC[22:30:35][22:31:02] <Begasus> ;)[22:31:20] <PedroPinto> I'm trying to run Haiku on Virtualbox without vx extensions[22:31:43] <Thom_Holwerda> damnit my digital tv just stopped doing its job[22:31:46] <Thom_Holwerda> damn[22:32:23] <PedroPinto> Fire it![22:32:32] <Begasus> shoot it![22:32:49] <Thom_Holwerda> percussionmaintenance time[22:32:51] <DaaT> hang it from the testicles![22:35:03] * Begasus smacks DaaT ...[22:35:11] <DaaT> thanks[22:35:12] <Begasus> it's not sheep time yet :P[22:35:13] <DaaT> :P[22:35:46] <Thom_Holwerda> right, so, no tv[22:35:50] <Thom_Holwerda> PANICCCCCCCCCCCCC[22:36:20] <Begasus> rofl[22:36:29] * DaaT surfs the channels[22:36:30] *** stippi has joined #haiku[22:36:30] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[22:36:56] <Begasus> nabend stippi[22:37:08] <EuanK> my digi box locks up all the time. in fact I think all do[22:37:22] <Begasus> ps .. did the nasm port that david made work ok in Haiku?[22:37:24] <DaaT> same here, iptv[22:37:35] <EuanK> I'm on DVB[22:37:39] <Thom_Holwerda> im gonna miss That 70s show because of this[22:38:10] *** TuneTracker has joined #Haiku[22:38:22] <Thom_Holwerda> if their explanation doesnt involve either terrorists or nuclear holocaust...[22:38:32] <Begasus> hi Dane! ;)[22:38:37] <TuneTracker> Hiya Begasus[22:38:40] <stippi> guten abend[22:38:41] <DaaT> hey TuneTracker :)[22:38:45] <TuneTracker> Hi stippi, DaaT![22:38:48] <Begasus> ah .. only one login TuneTracker ? :P[22:38:54] <TuneTracker> Nice to see you DaaT...been awhile[22:39:06] <TuneTracker> Begasus Actually I had to double-pump as usual.[22:39:19] <DaaT> yes it has and nice to see you :)[22:39:24] <Begasus> ow ... missed it then :P[22:40:11] <TuneTracker> When Tracker (in BeOS) is really really really busy, and I check in ProcessController and it says something a TaskLooper being the culprit, and when I kill TaskLooper, things get back to normal, what does that indicate? What sort of task would cause that?[22:40:40] <Begasus> checkinf for updates? ^^[22:40:43] <Begasus> checking* even[22:41:39] <Thom_Holwerda> hey it works again[22:41:49] <Thom_Holwerda> damnit what did people do when there was no tv?[22:41:54] <Thom_Holwerda> apart from incest, of course[22:42:22] * Begasus shivers[22:42:39] <DaaT> turn milk into butter?[22:42:40] <EuanK> war?[22:42:43] <Begasus> working on a laptop driven by the bycicle? ;)[22:42:45] <DaaT> EuanK, still popular[22:42:47] <EuanK> make milk?[22:42:55] <surrounder> make wooden shoes?[22:43:04] <Begasus> eheh[22:43:06] <EuanK> still popular in Holland[22:43:10] <DaaT> only the dutch[22:43:19] <Thom_Holwerda> we roxx0rz[22:43:27] <surrounder> my ancestors did, at least until 1602 (Y)[22:43:32] <surrounder> :<[22:43:50] <Begasus> the Dutch never won a war with those shoes ...[22:43:53] <DaaT> and from 1603 onward? leather shoes?[22:43:54] * Begasus ducks[22:44:04] * surrounder goes hadouken on Begasus[22:44:05] <Thom_Holwerda> Begasus: you're belgian[22:44:09] <Thom_Holwerda> i mean, seriously.[22:44:17] <Begasus> rofl[22:44:35] <surrounder> DaaT: nah, cheese, gayparades and weed[22:44:36] <Thom_Holwerda> you guys cant even keep your country together :P[22:44:47] <Begasus> hmm got a point there :P[22:45:05] <Thom_Holwerda> then again, we have the world's crappiest politicians[22:45:06] <Begasus> but even then ... the bigest hit on youtube is from the netherlands atm :P[22:45:10] <Begasus> ;)[22:45:11] <surrounder> sure vlaanderen, you could join us :P[22:45:20] <Thom_Holwerda> "join"?[22:45:23] <Thom_Holwerda> they may submit[22:45:25] <Thom_Holwerda> not join.[22:45:28] <surrounder> lol[22:45:32] <Thom_Holwerda> ;)[22:45:34] <Begasus> appartheit for Limburg!! :P[22:45:38] <surrounder> hahaha[22:45:43] <Thom_Holwerda> limbabwe![22:45:50] <Begasus> hehe[22:46:06] <Thom_Holwerda> i have quite a few friends from limburg living in amsterdam[22:46:27] <surrounder> feyenoord is de club van amsterdam![22:46:35] <Begasus> ow feck ... my zeta build system is running out of space ...[22:46:38] <surrounder> no dutchies from a'dam?[22:46:46] <surrounder> *whipes sweat from forehead*[22:47:13] <EuanK> meh I'm transfering to windows...[22:47:20] <EuanK> brb[22:47:21] *** EuanK has left #haiku[22:47:31] <surrounder> the root of all evil :<[22:47:40] <Begasus> well if it wasn't for ...[22:47:56] <surrounder> paint.exe ?[22:48:04] <Begasus> notebook! :P[22:48:17] <Begasus> err ... notepad*[22:48:24] <Begasus> it's been to long ;)[22:48:41] <CIA-50> jackburton * r24895 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/tracker/MountMenu.cpp: fixed warnings.[22:49:45] <surrounder> Begasus: lol[22:51:06] *** HeTo has quit IRC[22:52:31] *** nibble has quit IRC[22:53:37] *** xcasex has quit IRC[22:54:09] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[22:54:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[22:55:01] <Thom_Holwerda> paint.net!![22:55:12] <Thom_Holwerda> i depend on it :S[22:55:59] *** xcasex has joined #haiku[22:56:16] <Begasus> plop[22:56:26] *** xcasex has quit IRC[22:57:32] <CIA-50> jackburton * r24896 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/codycam/CodyCam.cpp: fixed warning.[22:58:34] <CIA-50> jackburton * r24897 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/aboutsystem/AboutSystem.cpp: Fixed warning.[23:00:03] <helf> I love the boss key in utorrent[23:00:42] *** Wiss has quit IRC[23:03:35] *** xcasex has joined #haiku[23:03:38] <mmu_man> boss key ?[23:03:39] <mmu_man> lol[23:03:59] <mmu_man> reminds me of the "prof" key on TI calc games :)[23:05:24] *** EuanK has joined #haiku[23:09:21] <EuanK> ahh windows, install tv card driver, install dscaler... tv...[23:09:38] <EuanK> no readme, no google, no /etc/modules.conf, no lsmod...[23:12:17] <Begasus> one loves to hang around doesn't one EuanK ;)[23:12:22] <Begasus> in windows that is ;)[23:12:52] *** inseculous has joined #haiku[23:13:15] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[23:17:31] *** Euan1 has joined #haiku[23:19:07] <Euan1> spoke to soon. BSOD...[23:19:22] <Euan1> shall I try tv in again[23:19:25] <Euan1> hmmm[23:20:26] <Euan1> need to update ati drivers too, getting bad cracklage dragging windows. something clearly not right[23:20:27] <helf> ah.. BSOD.. How do I love thee[23:20:38] <helf> you know[23:20:44] <helf> i HATE how new crap comes out every 3 months[23:20:48] <Begasus> to BSOD or not to BSOD ...[23:20:51] <helf> you never get properly optimized drivers or anything[23:21:00] <Euan1> I hadn't seen one in ages too[23:21:13] <helf> its been awhile for me on a personal machine[23:21:16] <helf> i see them all the time on other peoples[23:21:35] <Begasus> seen more KDL's lately then BSOD's also ;)[23:21:59] <Euan1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Check_Exception had never seen that one before[23:23:01] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[23:23:10] <Euan1> I guess it was either the antivirus that was updating (hadn't been in windowz in ages), or the video in driver / app it was all going pretty sluggish at the time[23:23:23] <Euan1> Haiku will solve all these problems :D[23:25:18] <koki_haiku> Haiku will solve all your problems! :P[23:28:26] <inseculous> anyone here use aim?[23:28:27] <DaaT> haiku will solve all the world's problems[23:28:37] <DaaT> inseculous, depends on the game i'm playing :P[23:29:19] <inseculous> i'm trying to sign up for some IM's and when I put my screen name in AIM it said it was taken[23:29:36] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[23:30:52] *** EuanK has quit IRC[23:34:17] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[23:34:28] <Euan1> hey I timed out![23:34:33] <Euan1> darn[23:35:14] <helf> I'm about to time out from work :)[23:35:17] <helf> hurray[23:39:06] *** stippi has quit IRC[23:43:58] *** EuanK has joined #haiku[23:44:14] *** pyCube_ has joined #haiku[23:44:39] <EuanK> meh XP hanged for 3rd time, not playing video either this time. something not right it seems. On laptop now.[23:45:28] <helf> what the heck did you do to that thing?[23:45:45] <Thom_Holwerda> i had a spontaneous reboot today of XP[23:45:50] <EuanK> no idea. it was busy doing AV updates etc. and updating svn[23:45:52] <Thom_Holwerda> that hasnt happened in like, ages.[23:47:13] <Thom_Holwerda> http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/04/umg-says-throwing-away-promo-cds-illegal[23:47:16] <Thom_Holwerda> bwahahahahahahha[23:48:04] <Thom_Holwerda> umccullough: stop trolling :P[23:48:07] * Thom_Holwerda ducks[23:50:14] <Kokito> these people are completely nuts...[23:50:15] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[23:50:21] <DeadYak> Kokito: ?[23:50:37] <Kokito> UMG[23:50:51] <DeadYak> Kokito: oh.[23:50:53] <Kokito> DeadYak, was referring to the URL that Thom_Holwerda just posted[23:51:00] <DeadYak> yeah, saw that article on arstechnica a few days ago[23:51:11] <Thom_Holwerda> im happy the dutch equiv. of the RIAA isnt that influential[23:51:24] <Kokito> UMG says that throwing away complimentary CDs is "an unauthorized distribution" that violates copyright law.[23:51:29] <Thom_Holwerda> we have fairly relaxed laws when it comes to these things[23:52:03] <Thom_Holwerda> basically, distribution of copyrighted material without permission is illegal[23:52:08] <Thom_Holwerda> getting it is NOT[23:52:31] <DeadYak> Thom_Holwerda: in theory that's the same here, it's the uploader not the downloader that's committing the crime[23:52:45] <DeadYak> Thom_Holwerda: which is why all the RIAA lawsuits focus on the person in question distributing said songs on Kazaa[23:53:02] <Thom_Holwerda> well i heard reports of users being sued...?[23:53:04] <koki_haiku> Thom_Holwerda, so I can then pickup the CDs that you throw away from your trash can?[23:53:11] <DeadYak> Thom_Holwerda: right, because the users are sharing their songs[23:53:15] <Thom_Holwerda> i admit i dont really follow the piracy debate[23:53:22] *** ari-free has joined #haiku[23:53:27] <Thom_Holwerda> ok[23:53:36] <ari-free> hi[23:53:41] <DeadYak> anyways, back in a few[23:54:10] <ari-free> I just noticed: upcoming Haiku event at linuxworld[23:54:40] <ari-free> that would be the biggest thing yet[23:55:28] <Kokito> ari-free, that one is pending approval of booth/speaker/bof applications[23:56:10] <Kokito> I am not holding my breath, because LW is very business oriented[23:56:24] <CIA-50> mmu_man * r24898 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/thread.cpp: Use the thread's stack size for RLIMIT_STACK, this should work even if we ever implement changing a thread's stack.[23:56:48] *** Euan1 has quit IRC[23:57:12] <Kokito> mmu_man, I just found a *very* old IBM webcam, and was wondering if it would work with your Haiku driver[23:57:22] <ari-free> you should point out haiku wa accepted 2 years in a row by gscoc and all the other linux confs[23:57:34] <ari-free> gsoc[23:57:47] <Kokito> ari-free, we have said all that and then more. :)[23:58:21] <Kokito> the thing is that LW is run by IDG, a for profit business.[23:58:56] <Kokito> SCaLE and some of the other conferences are more focused on the open source aspect, which is a benefit of rus.[23:59:01] <Kokito> *for us[23:59:49] <ari-free> I was a bit shocked to see it