April 6, 2008 
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April 6, 2008 [00:00:07] <EuanK> or words to that effect[00:00:16] *** rennj-beos has joined #haiku[00:00:17] <EuanK> I'm fairly miffed[00:01:07] <CIA-50> mmlr * r24813 /haiku/trunk/ (headers/private/kernel/vfs.h src/system/kernel/fs/vfs.cpp):[00:01:07] <CIA-50> Introduce vfs_stat_entry_ref() that allows to stat a vnode based on a dev_t[00:01:07] <CIA-50> and ino_t instead of a path. Supposed to work with node monitoring messages.[00:01:07] <CIA-50> Took the name from vfs_entry_ref_to_path() that takes the same arguments, but[00:01:08] <CIA-50> suggestions for a better name are welcome.[00:01:46] <EuanK> there's teh man there! :) Mr usb_disk :/[00:01:48] *** nils_t has joined #haiku[00:03:07] <ddew|bofh> hm, i'm starting to think i drink too much coffee. bought a pound yesterday and it's almost time to get more[00:03:17] <DeadYak> o.0[00:03:34] <EuanK> you do know your not supposed to eat it?[00:03:44] <ddew|bofh> heh[00:03:50] <JonathanThompson> WTF???[00:03:56] <JonathanThompson> Pound in one day???[00:04:15] * JonathanThompson wonders if ddew|bofh will succeed in getting fat on coffee[00:04:17] <ddew|bofh> well almost[00:04:31] <CIA-50> bonefish * r24814 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/MainBuildRules:[00:04:31] <CIA-50> Pass "--no-undefined" to the linker when building a shared library for[00:04:31] <CIA-50> Haiku. Support for undefined symbols is nice in principle, but not[00:04:31] <CIA-50> really needed for building Haiku itself, and can get little annoying, if[00:04:31] <CIA-50> one really just forgot to link in a symbol or has a typo in a function[00:04:32] <CIA-50> name in C code.[00:07:20] <Thom_Holwerda> ddew|bofh: WTF[00:07:48] <Thom_Holwerda> no wonder some people have sleeping issues[00:07:49] <Thom_Holwerda> lol[00:08:06] <ddew|bofh> yeah, sleep is more of a nuisance for me :)[00:08:50] <CIA-50> mmlr * r24815 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/disk_device_manager/KDiskDeviceManager.cpp: (log message trimmed)[00:08:50] <CIA-50> * Replace the path based lstat in the device watcher with the new device/node[00:08:50] <CIA-50> based one. The path based version could not have worked for entry removed[00:08:50] <CIA-50> notifications at all as the node is removed from the directory at this point[00:08:50] <CIA-50> already[00:08:51] <CIA-50> * Forgot to delete the device watcher instance after removing all monitors[00:08:56] <CIA-50> * The PartitionRegistrar in DeleteDevice() was set to already locked which is[00:10:48] *** stippi has quit IRC[00:14:08] <EuanK> brb going for a usb haiku boot to take pics[00:15:01] *** EuanK has quit IRC[00:16:57] *** burfi has left #haiku[00:17:49] *** HaikuwareUser has joined #Haiku[00:18:00] *** HaikuwareUser has quit IRC[00:18:01] *** nils_1 has quit IRC[00:19:25] <Thom_Holwerda> i really hate intel[00:19:27] <Thom_Holwerda> http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/04/05/display-port-goes-internal[00:20:17] <Thom_Holwerda> so, we finally have hdmi/dvi, used by every monitor (whether computer or TV oriented), worldwide, and they try to market yet another display port??[00:20:24] <Thom_Holwerda> im getting SO sick of this[00:24:29] <ddew|bofh> i wish they'd just settle on hdmi[00:24:51] <Thom_Holwerda> exactly.[00:24:59] <ddew|bofh> it handles high resolutions, it's a fairly robust connector and it's secure. why muck around with others?[00:25:14] <Thom_Holwerda> hdmi/dvi is already fully digital, so quality cant really improve[00:25:17] <Thom_Holwerda> it's universal[00:25:18] <Thom_Holwerda> worldwide[00:25:40] <Thom_Holwerda> it's the dream of anyone who ever had to deal with SCART[00:25:44] <Thom_Holwerda> (us poor europeans)[00:25:55] <ddew|bofh> the only "upgrade" i can think of would be optical but that's like years ahead[00:26:08] <Thom_Holwerda> and what advantage would that give?[00:26:26] <DeadYak> bandwidth[00:26:28] <ddew|bofh> no heat, thinner cables etc[00:26:31] <DeadYak> and that[00:26:37] <Thom_Holwerda> ah.[00:27:21] <ddew|bofh> cable length is another one :)[00:28:08] *** EuanK has joined #haiku[00:28:38] <EuanK> do think I need to add u/o/ehci to boot modules for usb boot to work :)[00:28:52] <DeadYak> booted off it now[00:28:54] <DeadYak> ?[00:29:21] <EuanK> no I get no boot partitions found[00:31:21] <EuanK> and would that then need USB bus manager too???[00:31:25] <EuanK> hmmm[00:35:23] *** burfi has joined #haiku[00:35:57] <burfi> Haiku like my Lumix camera, jay :)[00:36:05] <burfi> *likes[00:36:36] <burfi> Successfully kopied photos over the USB cable[00:37:07] <xcasex_> man i just have no machines to run beos on nowadays :([00:37:22] *** jiuda_D`arkness has joined #haiku[00:37:26] <nielx> hola[00:37:36] <burfi> ShowImage went awry from my wild clicking though[00:37:41] <Thom_Holwerda> hey nielx[00:37:57] <xcasex_> the thinkpad has a graphics driver issue, rage mobility m3 unsupported only way is vesa afaik; the stationary p4 has a 3com onboard nic and the other nic i had around is also a 3com that refuses to work with a run o' the mill cat5[00:38:02] <xcasex_> hey nielx[00:38:07] <burfi> The application "ShowImage" might be blocked on al modal panel.[00:38:24] <burfi> ...it said while shutting down[00:38:40] <EuanK> nah all apps say that :)[00:38:45] <EuanK> well terminal anyways[00:38:47] <DeadYak> it always says that if an app doesn't shut down properly[00:38:49] <mmadia> nielx my partitions keep becoming unmountable. so i might take a break from it for a few revisions.[00:39:25] <burfi> well, I went to the terminal cause the deskbar wouldn't redraw[00:40:06] <nielx> mmadia: I have some bfs issues too[00:40:20] <burfi> didn't like launching a second instance from ShowImage or showing directly from the cam, I don't know[00:40:28] <nielx> btw, how's your gdb experience?\[00:40:44] <mmadia> my what? ; )[00:41:23] <nielx> experience with gdb?[00:41:59] <mmadia> non-existant[00:42:57] <nielx> okay, and your c experience?[00:42:58] <Thom_Holwerda> http://www.osnews.com/story/19583/Displayport_Goes_Internal[00:43:17] <burfi> what's a modal panel anyway?[00:44:01] <mmadia> nielx very limited.. my strengths are in bash+python scripting, tweaking makefiles and related build systems.[00:46:22] <mmadia> i normally try to do the dirty work of finding the problems in C/C++ code, so skillful people can take over[00:47:44] <EuanK> does OHCI work yet?[00:47:59] <DeadYak> nope[00:48:28] <DeadYak> that's one of the SoC projects[00:48:32] <EuanK> damm, my laptop is OHCI. I'll try just adding usb and ehci then[00:48:48] <DeadYak> usb disk would be high-speed anyways, no?[00:48:55] <EuanK> can I add my laptop as GSOC project?[00:49:14] <nielx> I am stuck with git[00:49:15] <EuanK> well the laptop has 1 EHCI device, and 4 OHCI. I wonder where they all go...[00:49:22] <EuanK> git clone[00:49:34] <DeadYak> afaik the controllers decide that on the fly based on what's plugged in where[00:49:39] <DeadYak> they're not hardwired[00:49:44] <EuanK> sounds like magic...[00:50:26] <nielx> it seems to fail in a simple mkdir call[00:51:39] <EuanK> hmmm is the folders empty?[00:51:50] <EuanK> is it under /home[00:51:58] <EuanK> does it have funky chars?[00:52:03] *** stippi has joined #haiku[00:52:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[00:52:06] *** serpentor has quit IRC[00:52:15] <stippi> wow nice, hot plugging works now[00:52:22] <stippi> ie, unplugging works too[00:53:07] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[00:53:13] <burfi> yeah, can load pics from my cam now :-D[00:53:31] <DeadYak> stippi: mmlr's last commit?[00:55:06] <stippi> yeah[00:55:07] <EuanK> muhuhuhuh added ehci and usb bus manager. this had better work, or else![00:55:54] <xcasex_> EuanK: have fun.[00:55:58] <nielx> EuanK: the folder is not empty, I do get constant bfs: bfs_open_dir:1451: Invalid Argument messages[00:56:00] <nielx> in the syslog[00:56:16] <EuanK> ah your using a beos / haiku port?[00:56:42] <EuanK> is it trying to create hidden .Xxx dirs maybe?[00:57:11] <nielx> well, it succeeds in creating a hidden .git dir[00:57:20] <nielx> but creating subdirectories seems to be more difficult[00:57:23] <EuanK> if it's haiku, there was problems recently with non-asci chars[00:57:32] <EuanK> *ascii[00:57:36] <nielx> it's all ascii[00:57:56] <EuanK> hmm tried just creating it manually?[00:58:20] <EuanK> is it the same name as another folder, but different case?[00:58:21] <xcasex_> so what beos flavour are people using aside from haiku these days?[00:58:30] <EuanK> maybe someone missed the i in stricmp?[00:58:48] <EuanK> or vice versa[00:58:51] <DeadYak> isn't that generally strcasecmp these day?[00:58:53] <DeadYak> days*[00:59:19] <EuanK> no I refuse to use these new fangled string functions. the ones from 1970 are just fine thankyou.[00:59:42] <JonathanThompson> Time-tested and mother-approved ;)[00:59:45] <mmadia> r5bone over here xcasex_[00:59:48] <EuanK> never even heard of that one. At least in MSDN anyway :)[01:00:23] <xcasex_> mmadia: nifty, stock r5 pe or r5 max w. bone?[01:00:33] <mmadia> stock pe + bone[01:00:57] <nielx> I find the syslog message rathr worrying though[01:01:27] <EuanK> I see stuff like that all the time, especially during my network card link setup...[01:02:10] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[01:02:55] <EuanK> right am off for attempt 3[01:03:10] *** EuanK has left #haiku[01:04:04] *** umccullough_x has joined #haiku[01:05:20] <umccullough_x> Thom_Holwerda, DVI is more than just digital :)[01:05:22] <CIA-50> bonefish * r24816 /haiku/trunk/ (21 files in 8 dirs): (log message trimmed)[01:05:22] <CIA-50> * Reorganized the FS interface a little:[01:05:22] <CIA-50> - Moved most file_system_module_info hooks into separate structures.[01:05:22] <CIA-50> Those that operate on mounted volumes to fs_volume_ops, those[01:05:22] <CIA-50> operating on a vnode to fs_vnode_ops.[01:05:23] <CIA-50> - Got rid of the fs_volume, fs_cookie, fs_vnode typedefs. We use void*[01:05:25] <CIA-50> again.[01:05:26] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[01:05:38] <umccullough_x> and hdmi is more than just display - so neither of them is "perfect"[01:05:47] <xcasex_> mmadia: is it still possible to drop in replace stuff like net_server from haiku?[01:06:10] <umccullough_x> xcasex_, um... no[01:06:15] <mmadia> some stuff sure, but i don't know of an explicit list. xcasex_[01:06:30] <mmadia> *as long as you built it for --target=r5 bone or dano[01:06:38] <umccullough_x> you pretty much have to recompile everything for R5 that wya[01:06:50] <xcasex_> ah but its possible.[01:06:51] <umccullough_x> and net_server for haiku is nothing like net_server for R5[01:07:04] <xcasex_> umccullough_x: care to elaborate?[01:07:08] <umccullough_x> xcasex_, a lot of the infrastructure is not compatible[01:07:19] <xcasex_> oic[01:07:30] <umccullough_x> apps are one thing[01:07:37] <umccullough_x> kits, servers, and drivers are another[01:08:04] <umccullough_x> since many of the drivers for Haiku came from BeOS originally, they can still be compiled for BeOS[01:08:15] <umccullough_x> but many of the new drivers for Haiku cannot be compiled for BeOS[01:08:35] <umccullough_x> like most of the net drivers that use fbsd compatibility layer[01:08:49] <umccullough_x> that doesn't exist in the beos kernel, so drivers will fail[01:09:22] <xcasex_> ah[01:09:27] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[01:09:50] <umccullough_x> it's generally acceptable that an application compiled for BeOS R5 will run in Haiku unmodified, but not the other way around[01:10:12] <umccullough_x> one-way binary compatibility :)[01:10:58] <umccullough_x> so ultimately - YMMV - i don't know what does/doesn't work in BeOS any more[01:12:20] <xcasex_> my thinkpads graphics card :p[01:12:29] <umccullough_x> heh[01:12:38] <umccullough_x> so, regarding the net_server - in BeOS, it *was* the netstack[01:12:46] <umccullough_x> in BONE they started to change that[01:13:02] <umccullough_x> putting the netstack in the kernel, and making net_server mostly just a backward compatibility option[01:13:11] <umccullough_x> Haiku follows a similar strategy[01:13:33] <umccullough_x> net_server is basically just there for backward compat (libnet) - and also does a few menial tasks like setting up the DHCP client, etc.[01:13:57] *** stippi has quit IRC[01:14:19] <xcasex_> nice :D[01:14:20] <umccullough_x> xcasex_, what graphics for your thinkpad?[01:14:41] <xcasex_> umccullough_x: ati rage mobility m3 (thinkpad a20p so its old)[01:14:46] <umccullough_x> oh bummer[01:14:53] <umccullough_x> there isn't even a Haiku driver for that :/[01:15:06] <umccullough_x> i have a dell laptop with a rage mobility also[01:15:25] <umccullough_x> were you asking if the beos drivers can be used in Haiku?[01:15:29] <umccullough_x> some can...[01:15:41] <umccullough_x> not sure if that includes display drivers[01:15:44] <xcasex_> well from perusing the code its fair to say it isnt supported :)[01:15:53] <umccullough_x> yeah, no rage driver in haiku yet[01:15:57] <umccullough_x> only radeon[01:16:18] <umccullough_x> doesn't seem to be an OSS beos rage driver either[01:16:37] <xcasex_> correct.[01:17:03] <xcasex_> and as soon as i install bone on my p4 workstation it drops to kdl when setting up the network at boot[01:17:12] <umccullough_x> yuck[01:17:38] <umccullough_x> sounds craptacular :)[01:17:43] <xcasex_> yes it does.[01:17:50] <xcasex_> and with net_server[01:17:56] <xcasex_> it finds the nic. but.[01:18:03] <xcasex_> it doesnt receive anything over it.[01:18:04] <umccullough_x> what nic?[01:18:08] <umccullough_x> 3com?[01:18:17] <xcasex_> 3com 9020x something[01:18:20] <umccullough_x> yay![01:18:24] <umccullough_x> i hate that...[01:18:25] *** jiuda_D`arkness has quit IRC[01:18:31] <umccullough_x> there's a binary driver on bebits for the 3c920[01:18:36] <umccullough_x> it might work for you[01:18:59] <xcasex_> i'll give it a try[01:19:22] <xcasex_> ack i lose[01:19:25] <xcasex_> i was wrong.[01:19:28] <xcasex_> 3Com PCI 3c905C Tornado[01:19:29] <xcasex_> ;_;[01:19:57] *** jiuda_D`arkness has joined #haiku[01:21:52] <umccullough_x> xcasex_, that's the exact chipset i had problems with[01:22:01] <umccullough_x> the 3c920 supports that also iirc[01:22:11] <umccullough_x> the 905b cards work perfectly BTW[01:22:15] <umccullough_x> just not the C :([01:22:23] <umccullough_x> i've got a whole shitload of 3com cards here[01:22:38] <umccullough_x> all of them work in haiku :)[01:23:49] <xcasex_> some things in life just aren't fair i guess ;)[01:25:17] *** rennj-beos has quit IRC[01:25:43] <umccullough_x> ah well :)[01:25:59] <umccullough_x> if you can get your hands on a 3c905b - i'd swap that for the C[01:26:09] <umccullough_x> that's what I did on my beos machine years ago[01:26:23] <burfi> how do I add my own optional package?[01:26:33] <umccullough_x> burfi - UserBuildConfig![01:26:39] <umccullough_x> check in UserBuildConfig.ReadMe[01:26:50] <umccullough_x> burfi, you mean you want to creat something else?[01:26:53] <burfi> no, my own stuffs[01:26:54] <burfi> yes[01:26:57] <umccullough_x> easy[01:27:06] <umccullough_x> look at how it's done in the OptionalPackages jamfile[01:27:07] <mmadia> umccullough_x can i just rename UserBuildConfig.ReadMe ? : P[01:27:24] <umccullough_x> burfi, it's usually just unzipping something somewhere and then creating a symlink in apps[01:27:32] <umccullough_x> you can add the rules to your UserBuildConfig directly[01:27:34] <burfi> but append to it it will be overwritten from svn[01:27:38] <umccullough_x> i did that with firefox 2.0.0.14pre[01:27:48] <umccullough_x> just add to your UserBuildConfig[01:27:48] *** zed_DX has joined #haiku[01:27:53] <burfi> ok[01:28:36] <umccullough_x> hang on, let me run to my other machine and send you an example[01:29:17] *** umccullough_x2 has joined #haiku[01:29:28] <umccullough_x2> ah crap - i killed my UserBuildCOnfig here :)[01:31:53] <geist> umccullough_x2: you no get athlon now[01:32:19] <geist> i gave a bunch of computers to a nice family on a far away farm today[01:32:20] <umccullough_x2> ok[01:32:28] <geist> where they can go and play and play all day long[01:32:28] <DeadYak> burfi: example: UnzipArchiveToHaikuImage apps[01:32:28] <DeadYak> : /home/rene/firefox-2.0.0.14pre.en-US.BeOS-bone-2008031617.zip ;[01:32:28] <umccullough_x2> well, that's good[01:32:37] * umccullough_x2 wanted to add them to his pharm[01:32:50] <umccullough_x2> DeadYak, exactly - i was just gonna paste that :D[01:33:06] <umccullough_x2> and then: AddSymlinkToHaikuImage home config be Applications[01:33:07] <umccullough_x2> : /boot/apps/firefox/firefox : Firefox[01:33:11] <umccullough_x2> to create the symlink ;)[01:33:18] <geist> this farm will supposedly recycle stuff that works by giving it to poor people, or something[01:33:21] <burfi> thx[01:33:22] <geist> that's all i needed to know[01:33:37] <geist> cept, i kind of doubt they want sun boxes :)[01:33:42] <umccullough_x2> heh[01:34:01] <geist> sparc dont run no windows[01:34:10] <umccullough_x2> geist, the single athlon wasn't all that interesting to me - but honestly I was considering giving it to someone who needs a machine also[01:34:26] <geist> well, life goes on[01:34:31] <geist> it[01:34:36] <umccullough_x2> no biggie at all[01:34:43] <geist> it's so liberating actually getting rid of stuff[01:34:49] <geist> next to go is the G3 imac here[01:34:49] <umccullough_x2> i can imagine[01:34:51] <geist> gotta wipe it first[01:35:10] <geist> and this place will definitely put that back in use[01:35:22] <umccullough_x2> my wife just had a yard sale and got rid of a ton of *her* stuff ;)[01:36:05] <umccullough_x2> ok, i gotta swap the HD back on this machine - all the good stuff I need was on the other disk[01:36:33] *** umccullough_x2 has quit IRC[01:37:46] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[01:37:54] <umccullough> geist, you interested in a busted Mac LCIII?[01:38:18] * umccullough snickers[01:38:43] <geist> heh[01:38:43] <burfi> how do I extract archive to /[01:38:53] <umccullough_x> burfi, i think you just use /[01:38:58] <umccullough_x> or /boot[01:38:59] <umccullough_x> boot[01:39:02] <umccullough_x> fuck, i dunno[01:39:06] <geist> definitely gonna keep this old G4 cube[01:39:07] <umccullough_x> i've done it before[01:39:10] <geist> that's a collector's item[01:39:12] <umccullough_x> nice[01:39:31] <burfi> I'll try boot[01:39:56] <umccullough_x> burfi, you could try just .[01:40:13] <umccullough_x> that might even be what i used[01:40:58] *** zlominus has joined #haiku[01:41:06] *** MichaelHenry has joined #haiku[01:41:12] <umccullough_x> ok, this laptop needs a break also...[01:41:21] *** umccullough_x has quit IRC[01:43:19] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[01:47:45] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[01:49:41] <umccullough> hmm...i could probably scavenge the dual-PIII board out of this rack server[01:49:44] *** xcasex_ has quit IRC[01:50:06] <umccullough> looks like a full-ATX gigabyte board with a PCI riser that I can remove[01:50:23] <umccullough> dual PIII 733's[01:50:28] <umccullough> 1gb ECC ram...[01:50:32] <umccullough> usable :)[01:55:22] <burfi> does the bttv driver vom BeOS work in Haiku, could I get stampTV running?[01:57:47] *** nielx has quit IRC[01:58:18] *** skoe has joined #haiku[01:58:38] <umccullough> no clue[01:59:50] *** Zevs has quit IRC[02:01:35] *** crash| has joined #haiku[02:11:56] *** miqlas has quit IRC[02:16:08] *** crash_ has quit IRC[02:17:12] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[02:17:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[02:19:49] *** m0ns00n has quit IRC[02:21:15] *** zlominus has quit IRC[02:25:50] *** burfi has left #haiku[02:26:01] *** petterhj has quit IRC[02:26:19] <CIA-50> bonefish * r24817 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/fs/vfs.cpp:[02:26:19] <CIA-50> We get a reference to the node from create_special_node(), so we have to[02:26:19] <CIA-50> release it.[02:27:38] <CIA-50> bonefish * r24818 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/fs/rootfs.cpp:[02:27:38] <CIA-50> The rootfs was calling remove_vnode() on nodes for which it might not[02:27:38] <CIA-50> have had a reference.[02:33:16] *** MichaelHenry has quit IRC[02:38:14] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[02:39:49] *** ari-free has joined #haiku[02:39:50] *** wildur has quit IRC[02:41:11] *** burfi has joined #haiku[02:42:11] *** burfi has left #haiku[02:43:26] *** nils_t has quit IRC[02:46:30] *** skoe has quit IRC[02:48:15] *** Tonik has joined #haiku[02:49:28] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[03:00:39] *** Kaoutsis has joined #haiku[03:02:25] *** jiuda_D`arkness is now known as Barrett666[03:05:45] *** Kaoutsis has quit IRC[03:09:16] *** Thom_Holwerda has quit IRC[03:11:26] <ari-free> wow 500 mil dloads of firefox[03:11:55] <ari-free> i just found out today[03:13:40] <ari-free> is there a haiku os facebook group?[03:26:44] <umccullough> ari-free, probably - Sikosis messes with facebook and even created a small haiku image download app for it IIRC[03:27:08] <ari-free> i saw a beos facebook group that tries to stick haiku in there[03:28:59] *** MichaelHenry has joined #haiku[03:31:38] *** nibble has quit IRC[03:33:34] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[03:36:48] *** Androidz has quit IRC[03:40:04] <CIA-50> bonefish * r24819 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/fs/pipefs.cpp: (log message trimmed)[03:40:04] <CIA-50> * A pipe can now be inactive and active. After creation it remains[03:40:04] <CIA-50> inactive until at least one reader and one writer have opened it. As[03:40:04] <CIA-50> long as it is inactive, reads from and writes to it just block. When[03:40:04] <CIA-50> active, they behave as before (if there's no counterpart writes fail:[03:40:07] <CIA-50> SIGPIPE + EPIPE, reads return 0). When both reader and writer count[03:40:09] <CIA-50> drop to zero, the pipe becomes inactive again.[03:44:25] <mmadia> does r24818 break for anyone during building?[03:44:44] <mmadia> particularly the new vfs.cpp commit?[03:44:47] <DHowett> Testing[03:45:35] <DHowett> vfs.cpp built fine for me[03:45:38] <DHowett> gcc2[03:45:46] <mmadia> what's your host os?[03:45:51] <DHowett> linux[03:46:21] <mmadia> hrmm... r5bone here.[03:46:26] <DHowett> hmm[03:46:58] <mmadia> http://pastebin.org/27737[03:48:12] <DHowett> I got some warnings but none related to those functions.[03:48:13] <DHowett> hmm[03:49:20] <umccullough> mmadia, looks like fs_shell on R5 BOnE doesn't like that change :([03:49:52] <umccullough> since that is built with the host compiler, each host platform could be different[03:51:04] <umccullough> i wonder if you could just comment out the ambiguous function[03:52:24] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:52:37] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[04:04:12] *** Schmedly3D has joined #haiku[04:06:26] *** ari-free is now known as ari-[04:06:32] *** bogomipz_ has joined #haiku[04:06:44] *** ari- is now known as ari-free[04:09:22] <ari-free> oh dear there must be a million haiku facebook groups[04:09:37] <DeadYak> indeed there are[04:09:49] <ari-free> but any for the OS?[04:09:54] <DeadYak> no idea[04:10:03] <DeadYak> I've been becoming steadily more disenchanted with facebook by the day[04:10:45] <ari-free> even with who has the biggest brain? :)[04:11:06] <DeadYak> actually, part of the reason would be precisely that every time I log in people have sent me invitations for 500 more useless apps[04:11:34] <ari-free> hmmm yeah hate that[04:12:13] <DeadYak> I use it to keep in touch with a handful of old friends that I have no other point of contact with, that's it[04:12:20] <DeadYak> if it weren't for them, I'd nuke my account in a heartbeat[04:13:08] <ari-free> it's the latest lifestyle[04:13:41] <ari-free> it used to be like a college facebook[04:16:16] *** bogomipz has quit IRC[04:21:25] * DeadYak nods[04:23:51] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[04:23:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[04:30:25] *** jiuda_D`arkness has joined #haiku[04:32:22] *** oco has quit IRC[04:33:12] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[04:34:21] *** zed_DX has quit IRC[04:34:38] <mmadia> how do i pull a specific revision?[04:34:46] <DHowett> svn co -r xxxx[04:34:56] <DHowett> or svn up -r xxx[04:35:11] <CIA-50> bonefish * r24820 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/vm/vm.cpp: Added TODO regarding potential deadlock.[04:36:16] <mmadia> thanks[04:42:20] <CIA-50> bonefish * r24821 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/fs/pipefs.cpp: Commented out some debug output. The sources will be reworked soon.[04:43:39] <DeadYak> odd, I got email for 24821 but not 24820[04:44:40] <CIA-50> bonefish * r24822 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/fs/rootfs.cpp:[04:44:40] <CIA-50> create_special_node() supports creating a special node without entry,[04:44:40] <CIA-50> now.[04:48:23] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[04:49:15] <CIA-50> bonefish * r24823 /haiku/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs):[04:49:15] <CIA-50> * Added _kern_create_pipe() syscall, creating a pipe as an entryless[04:49:15] <CIA-50> FIFO. Reimplemented pipe() to use it.[04:49:15] <CIA-50> * pipefs is no longer mounted. Will remove the superfluous code soon.[04:49:55] *** Stargater has quit IRC[04:50:18] <DeadYak> wonder what got him dealing with pipes all of a sudden[04:53:34] *** jiuda_D`arkness has quit IRC[04:56:43] <MindChild> DeadYak: They are broken apparently. What more a reason do you need?[04:57:01] <DeadYak> MindChild: indeed but I wonder what he ran into that got him working on that[04:58:26] <DeadYak> I'm hoping it's sshd though :)[05:12:35] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[05:13:14] <CIA-50> bonefish * r24824 /haiku/trunk/src/tools/fs_shell/vfs.cpp:[05:13:14] <CIA-50> Might help gcc 2.95.3 to resolve its perceived overloading of the[05:13:14] <CIA-50> function.[05:14:37] <DHowett> mmadia: Yay! r24824![05:15:04] <DHowett> why CIA-50 and not CIA-48? o.O[05:15:21] <DeadYak> number increments every time it quit/rejoins for some reason[05:15:28] <DHowett> ahh[05:16:03] *** DHowett has quit IRC[05:29:41] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[05:34:12] *** TuneTracker has quit IRC[05:42:49] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[05:49:39] <umccullough> CIA joins a lot of channels ;)[05:50:00] <Schmedly3D> they're looking for you[05:51:19] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[05:51:41] <mmadia> DHowett did you try 24824 yet?[05:52:10] <DHowett> It compiles perfectly for me[05:52:11] <umccullough> I need to wrangly my Haiku test box back into shape[05:52:29] <DHowett> unfortunately, I can't -use- it (the same USB issue i've had since i showed up last month :P)[05:52:44] <DHowett> and i get a pagefault in 0xDEADBEEF when i unplug a USB Mass Storage device :)[05:52:45] <mmadia> DHowett could you reply at http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/2032 ?[05:54:10] <DHowett> Should I? It specifically says r5bone and I'm using linux.. Don't want to step in and randomly say "Well it might not work on r5bone but it works in linux!"[05:54:11] <DHowett> :P[05:54:55] <mmadia> riiight... my coffee's running on E[05:55:16] <DHowett> hehe[05:55:22] <DHowett> you test 24824?[05:55:29] <mmadia> pulling it now.[05:55:55] <umccullough> not many people here are crazy enough to still build on R5 :D[05:56:04] * umccullough looks longingly at his BeOS machine sitting dormant[05:56:25] <umccullough> actually, my laptop runs R5 well - i should set up an R5 build env on it[05:56:26] * DHowett looks longingly at the BeOS MAX cd that doesn't boot on any of his computerss =[[05:56:40] <DHowett> eh, it's max, no big loss. I hate that menu structure.[05:56:57] <DHowett> mmadia: Hmm, all it does is append :: to fssh_get_vnode to clarify the namespace[05:57:11] <DHowett> mmadia: er, the call to it[05:57:13] <mmadia> DHowett someone told me that some of the boot images in max were corrupt.[05:57:28] <umccullough> my laptop needs all sorts of repartitioning love[05:57:29] <DHowett> Nah, I've been getting boot images from bootdisks.beuser.de =\[05:57:42] <ari-free> is haiku on coverity yet?[05:57:49] <MindChild> That was always the biggest problem with BeOS... when booting from the CD it like never could find itself[05:57:58] <MindChild> most of the time, you had to disable IDE dma[05:58:07] <MindChild> and flat out forget it if you had a scsi cd rom[05:58:11] <DHowett> aye indeed[05:58:30] <DHowett> I wish vmware modules would compile for my kernel. I'd just emulate Be :P[05:58:45] <DHowett> and PRETEND it's running on my laptop =[[05:59:00] <DeadYak> MindChild: worked perfectly via SCSI CD-ROM on my Buslogic controller back in the day[05:59:03] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[05:59:14] <ari-free> hi[05:59:25] <Kokito> howdy[05:59:33] <DHowett> hey Kokito[05:59:40] <Kokito> hey DHowett[05:59:41] <Kokito> DHowett, I have been meaning to ask you[05:59:52] <Kokito> remember you once made for me a Haiku image?[06:00:00] <DHowett> Indeed[06:00:13] <Kokito> that one image worked flawlessly on my laptop[06:00:29] <DHowett> O_O[06:00:34] <ari-free> for how long?[06:00:42] <Kokito> unfortunately, for some reason, the images from the Haiku factory give me problems[06:00:55] <Kokito> ie., mousepad does not work, sound crackles, etc/[06:00:57] <DHowett> Want one from r24824? (svn:HEAD)[06:01:17] <Kokito> that would be nice :)[06:01:29] <Kokito> or perhaps we can wait a few more days[06:01:43] <DHowett> so that the filesystems get time to be ported? (been tracking the commits?)[06:02:05] <Kokito> will be at the Haiku booth at LugRadio this coming weekend, so if I can have something before then, that would work for me[06:02:20] <DHowett> Kokito: was that a 1gb image with all optional packages? :)[06:02:27] <MindChild> DeadYak: I only used Adaptec hardware back then. DIdnt matter which card... never worked[06:02:41] <MindChild> And seriously... who supports scsi and not adaptec[06:02:48] <DHowett> I keep fresh compiled sources on-hand so it's trivial to build in image; for just an occasion such as this :)[06:02:49] <Kokito> DHowett, don't remember the size, but I believe it did have all the optional packages[06:02:52] <umccullough> it doesn't help that haiku has been somewhat destabilized in the recent days :([06:02:55] <DHowett> an*[06:03:11] <DHowett> Yeah.. Kokito: as per the commits, the only filesystem for now is bfs[06:03:40] <umccullough> pinning down a good working revision of Haiku right now is... tricky :/[06:04:04] <Kokito> DHowett, BFS only is fine[06:04:41] <ari-free> hmm so does anyone know if haiku is on coverity or on klockwork? i believe they have free analysis for open source software[06:05:07] <DeadYak> MindChild: *shrug* also works fine via whatever controller my BeBoxes have..NCR/symbios I think[06:05:09] <umccullough> ari-free, at this point in the game, it would probably be embarrassing ;)[06:05:16] <ari-free> so what[06:05:32] <umccullough> I know it has been brought up on the mailing list a couple times[06:05:33] <Kokito> DHowett, what's your time zone?[06:05:48] <ari-free> better to keep a lid on the problem now than later[06:06:03] <DHowett> Kokito: EST5EDT. I forget whether i'm in EDT now or not :P[06:06:15] <DHowett> I think i'm out of EDT, so GMT-5[06:06:42] <Kokito> ok, so we are close enough :) (PST here)[06:06:50] <Kokito> sorry, bbl[06:09:29] <ari-free> I see this http://www.freelists.org/archives/haiku-development/01-2008/msg00030.html[06:10:26] *** Tonik has quit IRC[06:11:03] <umccullough> ari-free, so it sounds like if someone was able to create the pkgsrc - it would be possible[06:11:18] <ari-free> yeah but will they do it? :)[06:11:20] <umccullough> i have no clue what that even means :)[06:11:41] <umccullough> i'm guessing it's basically just an archive of the entire source tree?[06:26:14] * mmadia nap[06:32:22] * JonathanThompson staples mmadia into place[06:34:07] <MindChild> meh... King Commander Taco doesn't seem to think recycling Slashdot usernames that are 10+ years old with no posts is a good idea... that he'd rather it end up like AOL with CaptainSpanky868623868623862868276387623[06:34:51] *** Wiss has quit IRC[06:42:41] <geist> yay internet drama[06:46:20] *** tgiphil1 has quit IRC[06:46:20] *** aphedox has joined #haiku[06:50:34] *** [1]umccullough has joined #haiku[06:50:35] *** umccullough has quit IRC[06:50:52] *** [1]umccullough is now known as umccullough[06:51:50] *** [1]umccullough has joined #haiku[06:53:21] *** DHowett has left #haiku[06:53:35] *** [2]umccullough has joined #haiku[06:55:10] *** [2]umccullough has quit IRC[06:55:15] *** [2]umccullough has joined #haiku[06:55:21] *** [1]umccullough has quit IRC[06:55:35] *** umccullough has quit IRC[06:55:47] *** [2]umccullough is now known as umccullough[06:55:58] <umccullough> ok...lesson learned[06:56:34] <umccullough> started plugging a bunch of extra netcables into my switch here, and accidentally uplinked to my other switch twice[06:56:46] <umccullough> damn, shitstormed my network![06:57:05] <aphedox> stp ftw[07:00:03] <umccullough> what I fail to understand is why i have another cable running off to my main switch from here[07:01:47] <umccullough> aha, figured out where it was SUPPOSED to go :)[07:02:04] <umccullough> i need to clean up this mess :P[07:02:09] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[07:06:28] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[07:06:48] <DHowett> Kokito: ping? you ever come back? :)[07:11:38] <ari-free> Planned Haiku-related Activities: Raise funds by selling t-shirts[07:11:46] <ari-free> wow these guys are scrappy[07:12:52] <ari-free> everyone else gives away t-shirts[07:13:15] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[07:13:53] <cps1966> maybe they should raffle off computer or something[07:14:33] <ari-free> oh it's good that they are looking for ways to raise money[07:15:09] <ari-free> let's see if the t-shirts are available on the website[07:15:11] <Begasus> morning peeps[07:16:04] <ari-free> here's all the stuff mozilla sells http://store.mozilla.org/[07:16:24] *** ablyss has quit IRC[07:16:40] <ari-free> ooo firefox backpacks[07:17:15] <ari-free> would be funny to see a selection of designer furs[07:18:04] *** MindChild has quit IRC[07:18:47] <ari-free> Extreme cuteness is guaranteed. http://store.mozilla.org/product.php?code=14%2093119&catid=14[07:19:16] <DHowett> Aw. :P[07:19:35] <ari-free> made from freshly squeezed firefoxes[07:21:39] *** mib_n0cexfdi has quit IRC[07:21:41] <DHowett> My roomate commented what was on my mind; "They just took a raccoon and .. and spray-painted it red."[07:21:41] <DHowett> :P[07:22:39] <ari-free> well it is a raccoon[07:22:58] <ari-free> a red raccoon panda thing[07:24:05] <umccullough> red panda[07:24:34] <umccullough> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_panda[07:25:04] <ari-free> yeah it's a panda raccoon[07:25:12] <JonathanThompson> A pancoon![07:25:38] <ari-free> you have a panda bear and a panda raccoon[07:25:46] <cps1966> i thought coons were black[07:25:59] <JonathanThompson> I've never seen a straight black raccoon.[07:26:02] <ari-free> well it's a red panda raccoon[07:26:07] <JonathanThompson> They've always been more of a grey.[07:26:08] <umccullough> it's in the same family[07:26:17] <umccullough> but so are skunks apparently[07:26:20] *** MindChild has joined #haiku[07:26:27] <umccullough> and weasels ;)[07:26:31] <JonathanThompson> (Not saying that perhaps there aren't black raccoons, as there's variations of skunks I'm aware of)[07:26:38] <ari-free> it has the same kind of thumb that the panda bear has[07:27:39] <umccullough> ari-free, giving away t-shirts is something Haiku can afford to do when it has commercial support ;)[07:28:09] <JonathanThompson> When it has enough commercial support to support the non-commercial t-shirts it gives away ;)[07:28:13] <ari-free> well maybe haiku could sell them from the website[07:28:21] <umccullough> they do[07:28:24] <ari-free> where[07:28:35] *** aphedox has quit IRC[07:28:37] <umccullough> see[07:28:40] <umccullough> "The Haiku Store" linkk[07:28:47] <umccullough> under community[07:28:55] <umccullough> above donate[07:29:01] <ari-free> ohhh[07:29:14] <ari-free> so now i can go shopping[07:29:25] <umccullough> :)[07:29:54] <umccullough> granted, the prices aren't set very well - so Haiku, Inc. doesn't make a lot of profit from the store currently[07:29:57] <ari-free> how come i never noticed that[07:30:03] <umccullough> it's more about giving haiku fans something they can buy ;)[07:30:26] <umccullough> dunno, DW set that up like a year ago at least[07:31:08] <umccullough> i hear the black shirt doesn't look very good, btw[07:31:40] <ari-free> well if i ever go out to manhattan on broadway to give out flyers i'll have the right thing to wear[07:32:04] <umccullough> :)[07:32:13] <umccullough> i need to pick up one of the golf/polo t's[07:32:25] <umccullough> i'll wear it to work even[07:32:50] <umccullough> wish I could get a high-quality one embroidered...[07:35:19] <ari-free> let's see...is there a flyer that i can print out[07:35:58] <ari-free> manhattan...not a good idea to hand out flyers yet[07:36:30] <ari-free> but I think there should be a push to introduce haiku to academia. the people who study OS's[07:43:25] <JonathanThompson> First have them look through the BMenu situation, and ask them to analyze it as an object lesson ;)[07:43:58] <JonathanThompson> Sadly, Haiku developers are forced to more or less reproduce the same design snarls for backwards binary and semantic compatibility as exists in BeOS.[07:44:49] <DHowett> There's a BMenu -situation-?[07:44:51] <DHowett> Hmm..[07:45:20] <JonathanThompson> BMenu, regardless of how well it currently works, is a snarled hack for implementation to try to make it backwards compatible.[07:45:26] <DHowett> ahh[07:45:43] <JonathanThompson> That's because the BeOS design was... snarled to begin with.[07:45:53] <DHowett> once compatibility can be stripped and moved into a separate lib[07:47:17] <DHowett> I kinda wish there were defined a clear way to build apps for haiku that don't have any snarly Be-ish issues. As it stands it feels llike when R2 comes around (with the possible breaking of compat and possibly a compatibility lib) everything will need to be re-implemented. Again.[07:47:37] <DHowett> Just my opinion of course[07:47:50] <JonathanThompson> I think mostly most of the user-space stuff will need to be reimplemented/redesigned.[07:47:54] <ari-free> don't wory. everything will break for r2[07:48:05] <cherrypie> sweet :)[07:48:12] <Kokito> going to sleep. night folks![07:48:17] <DHowett> night Koki[07:48:18] <cherrypie> night[07:48:23] * JonathanThompson staples Kokito into bed[07:48:23] *** Kokito has quit IRC[07:48:42] <DHowett> Which seems unnecessary.. Spend time implementing it so it works, then go back and sever all ties to the working implementation and start again in userland[07:49:04] <JonathanThompson> One of the changes I'd like to see for Haiku R2 is getting rid of all non standard C library global variables.[07:49:51] <JonathanThompson> Global variables tie things up long-term for dependencies where they're not needed, and also aren't very thread-natural.[07:50:20] <DHowett> hmm...[07:50:35] <umccullough> ari-free, there is a flyer you can print out...[07:50:56] <ari-free> this separate issue from the fragile base class problem?[07:51:01] <JonathanThompson> Yes.[07:51:09] <JonathanThompson> But that's another issue that should be resolved by design ;)[07:51:41] <JonathanThompson> And which I have a design method that could solve it while preserving C++ methods of operation.[07:51:42] <ari-free> flyer[07:51:50] <ari-free> gimme[07:51:52] <umccullough> http://myhaiku.org/haiku-related-artwork/[07:51:55] <JonathanThompson> But, we're talking a major change in how things work and would be programmed for.[07:53:00] <ari-free> wow great stuff umc![07:53:26] <umccullough> Kokito put most of that together[07:53:31] <umccullough> that's his website anyhow...[07:54:17] <DHowett> Hmm. What -is- haiku blue, in rgb terms.[07:54:33] * JonathanThompson laughs at a poster on ipodtouchfans.com that thinks $500 is a good amount for an undisclosed iPod/iPhone application starting from nothing but an unspecified spec[07:54:54] <JonathanThompson> They're looking for a developer for a 1.x application...[07:55:23] <DHowett> I'm a poor college student. It has a dollar sign and a couple zeroes. I'd do it.[07:55:23] <DHowett> :P[07:55:27] <umccullough> DHowett, if you open the backgrounds pref - the values are shown there :)[07:55:34] <umccullough> i forget what they are[07:55:49] <DHowett> hehe[07:55:54] <JonathanThompson> Be careful what you submit your body and mind for, DHowett :) It could very well be a bottomless pit of time and frustration.[07:56:03] <DHowett> True. Like college. ;)[07:56:06] <umccullough> somewhere there's a color chart for official haiku colors with codes onit[07:56:34] <JonathanThompson> You can point to a determinate end point for college, though: a lot of "quick and easy" applications are anything but ;)[07:57:17] <DHowett> hehe[07:57:51] <JonathanThompson> For example, here's a simple-to-say idea: "Just write an IDE for my favorite language! No biggie, right???"[07:58:21] <umccullough> how's that coming along anyway?[07:58:48] <JonathanThompson> Time and energy lacking on my part: it can be hard to come home from work and have an interest in actually thinking and working on code :/[07:59:11] <umccullough> no shit, i hear that :P[07:59:18] <JonathanThompson> Of course, I must admit: I need to spend far less time being logged on and looking into IRC and the like...[07:59:33] <umccullough> ... that too[08:00:01] <JonathanThompson> I think on the overall average, I give far more to others in terms of what's gainable than I get out of it that's of a helpful nature for me, except perhaps sanity stuff.[08:00:35] <JonathanThompson> Admittedly, I won't claim that I give an awful lot of help in here, but... it's far more than I get out of IRC in a practical measurable way.[08:02:14] <JonathanThompson> Also admittedly, I don't see much realistic probability of financial returns from writing an IDE, not really for any platform, when you think about it.[08:02:15] <DHowett> *reads the comments about GoboLinux on osnews* ew.[08:02:26] <JonathanThompson> Especially not a very small one.[08:03:21] <JonathanThompson> Though I didn't really expect I'd ever sell a lot in the community: as much as anything, a big part of the reason was so that I'd have something I could list to potential employers, and actually be able to demonstrate something I'm not under NDA not to reveal to anyone else.[08:03:27] <JonathanThompson> Web designers have it easy.[08:03:42] <DHowett> The potential for everybody to see their work[08:04:04] <JonathanThompson> Not only the potential, but by definition, the requirement that it's public.[08:04:39] <umccullough> well, there are webs built for internal use ;)[08:04:48] <umccullough> but they usually look like hell :D[08:05:01] <JonathanThompson> And a lot of the stuff I work on for a paycheck, I'm part of a larger team, and it gets hard to say which part I did that wasn't also worked on by others at some point.[08:05:10] <umccullough> right[08:05:16] <umccullough> you could be the one slackin' off ;)[08:05:40] <JonathanThompson> So, that's one of the reasons I've turned down any outside help offers.[08:06:14] * JonathanThompson should investigate Nieu in more detail[08:08:21] <DHowett> umccullough: Usually look like hell and all the employees complain about it. So... :P[08:08:32] <umccullough> yep[08:08:40] * JonathanThompson fully concurs[08:09:06] <JonathanThompson> As you might take a wild guess at, Yahoo! has a HUGE internal site.[08:10:00] <DHowett> Hmm, I should get around to those backups I've been meaning to do.[08:10:18] <JonathanThompson> A good way to get computers humming their fans on full blast is to make a request to view the entire Yahoo! organizational chart with pictures ;)[08:10:31] <DHowett> But I don't want to go and write up a tar exclude list for all my volumes.. pfft.[08:12:32] <DHowett> Anybody else here like/completely understand the Unix FHS and kinda resent GoboLinux for their revolutionary ideas?[08:12:44] <ari-free> no[08:12:47] <DHowett> =[[08:13:03] <ari-free> thats why haiku rules :)[08:13:20] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[08:13:32] <ari-free> but if you're gonna use unix...it should be like unix[08:13:33] <DHowett> The first POSIX system I came into contact with was BeOs (r5pe)[08:13:40] <DHowett> and I was confused as heck when I went to linux and saw /dev/hda[08:13:55] <DHowett> /dev/disk/ forever :)[08:14:46] <ari-free> i wish haiku wasn't so posix/unixy. there are a few features I'd like to see from vms, like file versioning[08:15:04] <ari-free> iirc gobo tries to do that as well[08:15:23] <DHowett> versioning would be pretty amazing[08:15:31] <DHowett> awesome* :P[08:15:57] <ari-free> vms DCL also looks like it was designed properly, unlike bash[08:16:45] <ari-free> http://www.physnet.uni-hamburg.de/physnet/vms-unix-commands.html[08:16:55] <ari-free> http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/docs/vms_vs_unix.html[08:18:44] <DHowett> ehhh[08:19:15] <DHowett> The few VMS systems i've had experience with were thinly veiled with menu systems (SIS at my college) but the commandline seems... unnecessarily ew[08:19:46] <ari-free> my mom would be the vms expert[08:20:08] <DHowett> hehe[08:20:13] <JonathanThompson> vms = Virtual Monkey Shine :)[08:20:20] <ari-free> maybe that's where i'm getting this from :)[08:20:23] * JonathanThompson is real Monkey Shine[08:20:43] <JonathanThompson> Remember: From Warped Minds Come Warped Products![08:20:50] <ari-free> DCL's philosophy assumes the user is tired, hasn't had enough coffee, and making mistakes.[08:21:03] <JonathanThompson> Doesn't that describe most online ads?[08:21:09] <ari-free> UNIX shells assume the user is not tired and intends everything that is typed.[08:21:33] <JonathanThompson> The shells are rather unforgiving, that's true.[08:21:43] <DHowett> I'd like my OS to assume that I have some level of competence ;)[08:21:43] <ari-free> then it gives an example[08:21:52] <ari-free> Suppose you want to delete all files with an extension of "junk" but you accidentally enter the following command (notice the space between the asterisk and the period)[08:21:59] <ari-free> # rm * .junk[08:22:06] <ari-free> This command will first delete all files then (jumping to the next item in the list) will delete all files named ".junk". If you happened to enter a "-r" switch after the "rm" command, all the directories under your current position will be recursively deleted. If you were in the root directory, you could wipe your whole disk![08:22:21] <DHowett> I once was removing the usr folder from an initrd.[08:22:22] <DHowett> as root.[08:22:23] <DHowett> ...[08:22:28] <DHowett> and habit added the /[08:22:32] <DHowett> *sigh.*[08:23:08] * JonathanThompson has seen a Linux box lobotomized from someone having mounted / to an external filesystem and someone doing an rm -r[08:23:20] <JonathanThompson> That was back in 96.[08:23:31] <DHowett> aye[08:23:39] <JonathanThompson> Lesson learned by that observation (I didn't setup the machine) DON'T EXPORT ROOT![08:24:32] <DHowett> don't export root rw![08:24:33] <DHowett> ;)[08:24:34] <JonathanThompson> You could enter a username and password, then it'd sit there hung, nothing changing from then on, and you could go to the other virtual terminals that hadn't been used yet.[08:24:39] <ari-free> the point is not to copy vms line by line but to see if we can come up with a better system[08:25:42] <ari-free> i'm tired of hearing how wonderful and perfect unix is. even Apple is doing this[08:25:52] <JonathanThompson> There's no such thing as a perfect OS.[08:26:34] <DHowett> Apple's -also- suing an environmental organization because they have an apple as a logo, so they're not always the best to trust...[08:27:02] <JonathanThompson> You've read the wrong stuff: they're doing the required "speak up during trademark application review process" thing.[08:27:10] <JonathanThompson> People are adding lawsuit.[08:27:15] <ari-free> even the linux people aren't bending over to get unix certification[08:27:17] <DHowett> Blame slashdot ;)[08:27:28] * JonathanThompson blames slashdot[08:27:31] <JonathanThompson> Happy now?[08:27:32] <ari-free> I love NY. i hate Apple :)[08:27:34] <DHowett> Yes! :)[08:27:35] <DHowett> hehe[08:28:05] <DHowett> I've "lived" in NY for... probably 8 months now and.. I prefer my home state. eh.[08:28:51] <ari-free> http://www.apple.com/retail/fifthavenue/week/20080406.html we give them the ability to do this. no appreciation hehe[08:29:32] <ari-free> that is a nice tourist attraction[08:29:42] <DHowett> wow[08:30:28] <ari-free> oh it's even cooler in rl[08:30:57] <ari-free> http://www.apple.com/retail/fifthavenue/gallery/[08:31:06] * JonathanThompson should check his work email account to see if Jerry Yang has already sent a company-wide update to employees over Microsoft's ultimatum[08:32:39] <cps1966> afaik its still no[08:35:33] <ozy`> so uh would this be a bad time to consider maybe applying to GSoC?[08:35:48] <JonathanThompson> Is it past the deadline?[08:36:02] <JonathanThompson> And do you qualify for requirements to apply?[08:37:21] <ozy`> the (updated) deadline is in a couple days[08:37:31] <ozy`> and last I checked yeah I qualify[08:37:33] <ari-free> compare http://images.apple.com/retail/fifthavenue/images/YX2I8961.JPG and http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080323/capt.efedb5c698684301b6416d2f2f0f09c1.vatican_easter_xppc110.jpg?x=400&y=261&sig=pwvRPrFqBe1hG4YTDKMDIQ--[08:37:40] <JonathanThompson> If you've got a good idea to work on and qualify, apply for it, don't waste time.[08:38:07] <ari-free> http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080323/capt.efedb5c698684301b6416d2f2f0f09c1.vatican_easter_xppc110.jpg?x=400&y=261&sig=pwvRPrFqBe1hG4YTDKMDIQ--[08:38:13] <ari-free> argh[08:38:59] *** scottmc has joined #haiku[08:39:27] <ozy`> JonathanThompson: well I have some ideas but they're not necessarily good :p[08:39:42] <JonathanThompson> Well, you're too biased: let someone else decide :P[08:39:54] <ari-free> yeah don't try to rewrite haiku in visual basic[08:39:55] *** cherrypie has joined #haiku[08:40:06] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps others will think what you have in mind is worthwhile: you won't know if you don't apply.[08:40:14] <ozy`> ari-free: nah if I wanted to confuse people like that I'd use scheme[08:40:36] <JonathanThompson> Could be worse, ari-free: could try to rewrite Haiku in BASIC that has line numbers and no procedures/functions :D[08:40:59] <scottmc> jam: Operation not allowed? what am I doing wrong?[08:41:02] <JonathanThompson> Or, even better: rewrite Haiku in brainfsck :D[08:41:15] <ari-free> 10 PRINT "I AM HAPPY"[08:41:22] <JonathanThompson> At least the compiler would be easy to write and test...[08:41:23] <ari-free> 20 GOTO 10[08:41:24] <scottmc> 20 goto 20[08:41:38] <scottmc> meant 10 ;)[08:41:56] * JonathanThompson notes scottmc is off by one * 10[08:42:03] <ozy`> <JonathanThompson> Could be worse, ari-free: could try to rewrite Haiku in BASIC that has line numbers and no procedures/functions :D <== or better yet, COBOL, to take advantage of the support for self-modifying code and wacky database access[08:42:20] <ozy`> (since otherwise it's pretty much exactly what you described)[08:42:21] <JonathanThompson> Always an entertainer :)[08:42:28] <JonathanThompson> Don't forget the option of INTERCAL.[08:42:32] * ari-free pokes scottmc[08:42:44] <DHowett> One word. Java. It'd be completely cross-platform! and hell to implement! and use! and code for![08:42:44] <DHowett> :)[08:42:46] <scottmc> no jam pros here atm?[08:43:06] <DHowett> The irony in the need for "an OS to be cross-platform" in the other-OS sense ;)[08:43:07] <ari-free> poke 53280,1[08:43:10] <JonathanThompson> Nah, rewrite it in Python ;)[08:43:24] <JonathanThompson> Or Ruby.[08:43:33] <JonathanThompson> Or bash shell scripting! YEAH![08:43:38] <DHowett> Affix some rails to it![08:43:51] <DHowett> hey! I was trying to write an mp3 player (GUI and all. Don't ask.) in bash at one point[08:43:53] <scottmc> pooke 52768,peek(1024)[08:43:55] * JonathanThompson clearly needs sleep and a bonk to the head[08:44:00] <DHowett> pluggable file info reading modules. That's about as far as I got :P[08:44:01] <ozy`> seriously now, on the topic of python: I hear there's rudimentary python support but how much demand would there be for, say, greater integration with the Be API for the purpose of both general scripting and application authoring?[08:44:12] * JonathanThompson doesn't ask why DHowett was smoking that crack pipe[08:44:26] <ozy`> (I mention python partly because it's already there... again I'd rather use scheme ;)[08:44:36] <JonathanThompson> There are python fans.[08:44:47] <DHowett> JonathanThompson: I was addicted to bash scripting. Crack pipe indeed ;)[08:44:48] <scottmc> as long as someone fixed python on haiku so i will play monsterz... :([08:44:51] <JonathanThompson> Python appears to be far nicer to work with than bash shell scripting.[08:44:58] <DHowett> I feel the opposite[08:45:12] <cshaiku> wow, luposian is quite humours[08:45:12] <ozy`> OS X seems to be doing pretty much what I describe with ruby, by the way[08:45:15] <ari-free> the syllable people are into rebol[08:45:22] <ozy`> which is what gave me the idea[08:45:25] <DHowett> cshaiku: Humorous? Also over-the-top-to-the-extreme... haha[08:45:27] <JonathanThompson> Damned bash shell scripting doesn't allow passing by reference, or returning anything other than an 8 bit return code, other than writing to a global variable.[08:45:43] <ozy`> ari-free: yeah I'm not into rebol, it kinda repulses me[08:45:54] <ozy`> (it's proprietary, isn't it?)[08:46:09] <JonathanThompson> I wanted to write some proper functions in bash for work, and... it appears I can't :([08:46:35] <JonathanThompson> I guess I need to take the company-sponsored Perl class, since I expect you can do something meaningful with that in terms of functions.[08:46:42] <ari-free> i think so...wonder why an open source os would use something like that[08:46:50] <JonathanThompson> The BVT script is over 3K lines of mostly gunk.[08:48:14] <scottmc> what's the trick to getting jam to work in Haiku? I unzipped it and put it where it's supposed to be...[08:48:30] <JonathanThompson> Feed it some peanut butter, scottmc ;)[08:48:34] <ari-free> oh actually what they use is orca, a rebol clone[08:48:50] <scottmc> JT I tried that, but it got stuck to the monitor[08:49:03] <JonathanThompson> You need something to wash it down, then.[08:50:03] <DHowett> I somehow read those statements at once and came out with something related to a washing machine[08:50:12] <JonathanThompson> :P[08:50:20] <JonathanThompson> Get out of my head :D[08:50:29] <DHowett> hah[08:50:31] <JonathanThompson> (You might start understanding some of my dreams)[08:50:39] <DHowett> creepy :P[08:50:45] <JonathanThompson> You're telling ME![08:51:02] * JonathanThompson has an encrypted mind[08:51:38] <JonathanThompson> The key has been lost...[08:51:38] <DHowett> That might be good . . .[08:52:02] <ozy`> so uh, like I was saying, would messing with scripting languages be a waste of effort or would it improve developer productivity in general on the little H?[08:52:19] <ozy`> I mean I guess it would obviously do so for command line stuff but[08:52:30] <JonathanThompson> Not everyone uses C/C++ to do their evil deeds, ozy`.[08:52:43] <ari-free> hmm what is LLVM[08:52:52] <JonathanThompson> If you have sufficient GUI bindings for a good scripting language available, more stuff will likely get written than not.[08:53:34] <JonathanThompson> So, yes, if the language has any userbase at all, if you want to make it viable for Haiku, more power to you and the community.[08:53:41] <DHowett> The best scripting language.. implemented in #!/home/dustin/bin/cscript[08:54:13] <DHowett> It's like tcc but it's a shell script that compiles and runs the target file. Pointless, I know :P[08:54:30] * JonathanThompson meows in chocolate into the channel[08:54:39] <DHowett> stereo chocolate[08:54:50] <JonathanThompson> Living in tremulo![08:56:01] <umccullough> scottmc, what's up?[08:56:44] <scottmc> trying to get jam going on haiku[08:56:55] <umccullough> didn't you install the development package?[08:57:02] <umccullough> it puts jam on there for you...[08:57:22] <scottmc> i get: sh: /boot/home/config/bin/jam: Operation not allowed[08:57:34] <DHowett> I wonder what operation . . .[08:57:53] <umccullough> i dunno... my jam gets installed when i build the image :/[08:58:24] <scottmc> kinda hard to build an image on a system that doesn't have jam.... ;)[08:58:25] <DHowett> Does haiku give "permission denied" or "operation not allowed" when trying to run a non +x anything[08:58:34] <scottmc> operation not allowed[08:58:37] <umccullough> looks like the right path for it[08:58:40] <ari-free> hmmm someone claims llvm produces faster code than gcc[08:58:52] <ozy`> I wouldn't be surprised[08:58:55] <DHowett> scottmc: But your jam is chmod +x, i imagine? :P[08:58:59] <umccullough> scottmc, you don't build your Haiku image from linux or something?[08:59:06] <ozy`> gcc has horrible high-level optimization... not too hard to outpace it[08:59:41] <scottmc> nope, crashed my ubuntu partition and said screw it... going to try haiku, haiku, and beos partitions for awhile now.[08:59:48] <ari-free> it would be nice if gcc is replaced[08:59:49] <umccullough> ah[08:59:52] <ozy`> IIRC, SGI and some other places have some godlike compilers whose output runs orders of magnitude faster than gcc on repetitive operations[08:59:54] <cshaiku> g'day scottmc[09:00:08] <scottmc> hey[09:00:38] <scottmc> how's canada?[09:00:39] <umccullough> time for bed i think[09:00:43] <umccullough> 'night[09:00:45] <cshaiku> its good![09:00:56] <cshaiku> you are in van, right?[09:00:58] <DHowett> night umccullough[09:01:11] <scottmc> no, northern CA[09:01:20] <cshaiku> oh, I knew it was on the west coast somewhere[09:01:27] <scottmc> california i mean...[09:01:35] <cshaiku> yeah, got that. :P[09:01:52] <cshaiku> maybe once I get my car, I'll drive down to cali and visit some peoples[09:01:59] <Begasus> hya Schmedly3D cshaiku ;)[09:02:01] <cshaiku> Eugenia, Scott, etc.[09:02:04] <Begasus> night umccullough[09:02:06] <cshaiku> howdee Begasus[09:02:15] <DHowett> BEGASUS![09:02:22] <Begasus> DHowett, ! ;)[09:02:22] <DHowett> I don't know what compelled me to do that.[09:02:26] <DHowett> :P[09:02:43] * JonathanThompson notes Apple has around 300 megs of updates for me to download[09:02:46] <JonathanThompson> 300 MEGS![09:03:03] <Begasus> hope your hd can handle it :P[09:03:22] <JonathanThompson> I'm starting to wonder if going with the base model 80 GB drive was a mistake :P[09:03:43] <JonathanThompson> (I have other partitions on an external drive)[09:03:53] <ari-free> oh there is some haiku discussion on llvm http://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/any_non_gpl_compilers[09:03:56] <scottmc> you on west coast?[09:04:35] <JonathanThompson> Wait, 120 GB...[09:04:48] <JonathanThompson> But a bit of it is used for BootCamp[09:05:13] * JonathanThompson goes to store[09:05:18] <scottmc> mac for those who like paying $100 every year to keep their OS running...[09:09:52] <Begasus> cya peeps[09:10:05] <scottmc> later begasus[09:10:24] <Begasus> later ;)[09:10:26] <Begasus> plop[09:10:27] *** Begasus has quit IRC[09:21:47] <scottmc> another ticket posted...[09:23:00] *** bSON has joined #haiku[09:24:10] * JonathanThompson has returned (big whoop, I know)[09:24:36] * cshaiku leaps for joy and all that, over JonathanThompson's return! omgomgomgomg[09:24:39] <cshaiku> :P[09:24:44] <scottmc> anyone else try unzipping a file with a small name in haiku?[09:27:38] * JonathanThompson notes a distinct lack of abnormality in cshaiku's response[09:28:09] *** stargater has joined #haiku[09:28:17] <stargater> morning[09:28:36] * cshaiku notes a distinct obnormal lack of response in JonathanThompson[09:28:46] <JonathanThompson> obnormal???[09:28:51] <cshaiku> oh damn[09:29:20] * JonathanThompson wonders what is defined as "normal" for an aspie[09:30:40] <cps1966> cow dung[09:30:48] * cshaiku needs more cow bell[09:31:42] * JonathanThompson equips cshaiku so he can play with his ding-a-ling by himself[09:32:44] *** cherry` has joined #haiku[09:33:57] *** MindChild has quit IRC[09:34:07] *** MindChild has joined #haiku[09:36:01] * DHowett needs more taco bell.[09:36:02] <DHowett> >_>[09:36:15] * JonathanThompson sends DHowett to the Mexican Telephone Company[09:36:21] <DHowett> yay![09:36:37] <DHowett> Night, anyway[09:36:40] * DHowett leaves for bed[09:36:47] <JonathanThompson> Bed of leaves?[09:36:55] * JonathanThompson notes roots coming out of DHowett[09:36:58] <DHowett> That'd be awesome.[09:37:06] <DHowett> I once filled my roomate's pillowcase with pinecones. :P[09:37:07] <JonathanThompson> All that sudo power![09:37:25] <DHowett> sudo sleep 28800[09:37:36] <DHowett> why sleep would need root privs, I don't know ;)[09:37:47] <JonathanThompson> Think of Picard and the Borg ;)[09:37:58] <JonathanThompson> There's a REASON you should have root access to do such a thing :P[09:38:04] <DHowett> hah[09:39:02] *** Thom_Holwerda has joined #haiku[09:39:18] <stargater> http://tm.kaldience.com/data/php/dir.php?dir=/dir/members/stargater/bilder/Haiku_USB_Storage[09:40:15] <DHowett> stargater: nice[09:40:17] <DHowett> oh right, bed[09:40:18] <DHowett> Night :P[09:40:45] *** DHowett has left #haiku[09:41:42] *** cherrypie has quit IRC[09:43:35] *** bogomipz_ is now known as bogomipz[09:44:10] *** DHowett has joined #haiku[09:44:15] *** DHowett has left #haiku[09:48:25] <stargater> JonathanThompson: hi[09:48:42] * JonathanThompson inquires as to which chevrons stargater wants to have dialed for him[09:48:54] <stargater> JonathanThompson: = http://tm.kaldience.com/dir/members/stargater/bilder/ralf%20Kopie.jpg[09:49:01] <stargater> photomontage :-)[09:49:16] <JonathanThompson> Which goofball are you? :D[09:49:19] <stargater> and real = http://tm.kaldience.com/dir/members/stargater/bilder/old.bmp[09:49:26] <ddew|bofh> g'morning[09:49:35] <JonathanThompson> Speaking of goofballs :P[09:49:40] <stargater> left :-)[09:49:57] <Thom_Holwerda> mornign[09:49:59] <JonathanThompson> The blond goofball in the tie?[09:50:19] * JonathanThompson notes that goofball doesn't fit in with the rest for dress[09:50:57] * ddew|bofh notes that he needs a couple of proper suits[09:51:04] <stargater> yes :-)[09:51:09] <geist> move aside and let the man go through[09:51:12] * JonathanThompson has one proper suit and one birthday suit[09:51:31] <ddew|bofh> the thing is that i really like suiting up :)[09:51:44] <ddew|bofh> sadly i don't have the finances to get any good suits[09:51:50] * JonathanThompson reminds the channel about speaking of goofballs ;)[09:52:11] <JonathanThompson> You wouldn't fit in well at Yahoo ;)[09:52:15] *** burfi has joined #haiku[09:52:19] <ddew|bofh> heh[09:52:43] <stargater> so reboot and open Pe and coding (oh my god give me more c++ skills)[09:52:50] <ddew|bofh> for the moment i'm sticking with jeans, boots, t-shirt and suit jackets[09:52:57] *** stargater has quit IRC[09:54:55] * cshaiku cranks up Delerium - Terra Firma. If you do not have this song on your hd, I highly recommend google'n for it right now, and cranking it up[09:55:14] *** Stargater has joined #haiku[09:55:15] <Stargater> re[09:55:21] <JonathanThompson> I suspect my neighbors may not consider that nice, cshaiku :)[09:55:26] <cshaiku> http://profile.imeem.com/RXVLQk/music/2KrIpJZe/delerium_feat_aude_terra_firma_laras_mix/[09:55:39] <cshaiku> is there nothing Google can't do?!?[09:55:42] * JonathanThompson wonders whom Stargater was addressing shortly before losing his connection[09:55:43] * cshaiku cries[09:55:52] <cshaiku> I want its babies[09:55:55] <JonathanThompson> It can't bring world peace, cshaiku.[09:56:18] <scottmc> anyone know why Jam only gives me an error saying Operation not allowed?[09:56:18] <cshaiku> well, actually...[09:56:19] <Stargater> ?[09:56:19] * JonathanThompson notes for future blackmail material that cshaiku has some odd sexual fantasies[09:56:25] <cshaiku> lo[09:56:26] <cshaiku> lol[09:56:46] <plfiorini> mmm i thought vmware driver was shipped by haiku[09:57:00] <JonathanThompson> "stargater: so reboot and open Pe and coding (oh my god give me more c++ skills)[09:57:00] <JonathanThompson> "[09:57:53] <Stargater> i whas is linux and now in zeta and open Pe and coding, but i have not the results what i need[09:58:25] <plfiorini> wow after a shutdown -r starts the haiku installer :)[09:58:26] <Stargater> :-)[09:58:31] <ddew|bofh> join the club, i was trying to learn BTab yesterday and ran in to a compiler bug[09:58:46] * JonathanThompson notes ddew|bofh stubbed his toe badly[09:59:29] <cshaiku> anyone else think that Meatloaf is a complete freak?[09:59:38] <JonathanThompson> So what if he is?[09:59:41] <ddew|bofh> haven't tried compiling the code in haiku yet though, might be a BeOS compiler error[09:59:43] <cshaiku> http://wayoutthere.net:7000[09:59:46] <cshaiku> try listening to this[09:59:47] * JonathanThompson notes cshaiku is a complete freak[09:59:52] <cshaiku> at least I'm a normal freak[09:59:58] <JonathanThompson> That's an oxymoron![10:00:00] <ddew|bofh> i loved meatloaf in the tenacious d video[10:00:04] <cshaiku> Meatloaf is a freak's freak[10:00:14] <JonathanThompson> King of kings, freak of freaks :D[10:00:25] <ddew|bofh> the god of mortal men[10:00:48] * JonathanThompson is wise enough not to ask where he hits into the continuum[10:01:33] <JonathanThompson> My 6 year-old nephew got out the regular vacuum, the shampoo vacuum, put the hose of one of them into the hose of the other, and said, "Look Mom, they're holding hands!"[10:01:47] <ddew|bofh> heh[10:01:56] <JonathanThompson> He also puts on his one-is-shoes, instead of tennis shoes.[10:02:31] <ddew|bofh> some kids are odd[10:02:36] * JonathanThompson will have others know he's had very little first-hand interaction with his nephew[10:02:57] <JonathanThompson> And yet, he seems to be developing into my sense of humor, only more extreme.[10:03:12] <JonathanThompson> And he's only 6![10:03:16] <ari-free> I taught my soon to be 4 niece how to use MS paint[10:03:21] <ddew|bofh> kids overall have a tendency to weird out people :)[10:03:27] * ari-free master educator hehe[10:03:46] <ddew|bofh> i remember in first grade when we were talking about books and i mentioned that i'd just finished the lort trilogy[10:03:51] * JonathanThompson imagines ddew|bofh weirded out a bunch of people[10:03:51] <ddew|bofh> *lotr[10:04:09] <ari-free> well i saw the movie hmph[10:04:21] <JonathanThompson> I remember kindergarten when we were making cards for Mother's day.[10:04:29] <ddew|bofh> of course i weird out people, i'm proud of it[10:04:37] <JonathanThompson> The teacher was quite puzzled about me writing on it, "To my coconut"[10:05:17] <JonathanThompson> Ever have something come out like that, ddew|bofh?[10:05:33] <ddew|bofh> come out like what?[10:05:37] <ari-free> I guess you were the kid who gave a guava to the teacher[10:05:48] <JonathanThompson> Creating a Mother's Day card that said, "To my coconut"[10:06:05] <cshaiku> its my mom's birthday this month too![10:06:05] <ddew|bofh> nah, i've never been a punner :)[10:06:06] <JonathanThompson> I didn't have access to those at that age, ari-free :)[10:06:07] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[10:06:08] <cshaiku> hey.. I have an idea. :P[10:06:19] * JonathanThompson runs[10:06:22] * JonathanThompson stops on line 10[10:06:25] <cshaiku> would you guys be willing to send her an email on her birthday?[10:06:42] <JonathanThompson> Nothing like random "Happy Birthday!" from all over earth to cheer her up, eh?[10:06:48] <cshaiku> sure[10:07:07] <JonathanThompson> You need to try to get people from every country to do it, just to make her seriously go "WTF???"[10:07:21] <JonathanThompson> And so she can brag to her friends about her "worldly son"[10:07:39] <ari-free> roses are red, haiku is not, beautiful is love[10:07:53] <cshaiku> well, its the other way around now.... She's been to far too many countries[10:08:02] <cshaiku> She just got awarded (one of 12) a scholarship to Austria[10:08:20] <JonathanThompson> ddew|bofh, to this day, I can't give a logical reason as to why I wrote that in that card, other than... I couldn't think how to spell/write mother, and that's what came out instead.[10:08:21] <cshaiku> She's in travel & tourism, and nearing the end of that 2 year enrollment[10:08:37] <cshaiku> and got offered to go to Austria for another 9 months, free[10:08:51] <cshaiku> due to her marks, etc.. I'm so proud of her. She's basically a professional student[10:08:53] <JonathanThompson> I can't remember exactly what happened to that: there's a lot of stuff I can't tell you what happened between point A and B.[10:09:26] <Thom_Holwerda> JonathanThompson: i have that too between point a (first bottle of martini) and point b (waking up)[10:09:28] <cshaiku> but I still think it pretty rad if I can get some people to wish her happy birthday, at random[10:09:29] <JonathanThompson> I have a lot of time/space discontinuities in my past as a kid.[10:09:31] <cshaiku> :)[10:09:52] <JonathanThompson> Well, Thom_Holwerda, that's self-inflicted ;)[10:09:54] <ari-free> coconut doesn't even sound like mother[10:10:09] <JonathanThompson> Yeah, well, as I said earlier in the channel: my mind is encrypted.[10:10:16] <ddew|bofh> i'm blaming aphasy[10:10:28] <ari-free> naaa you were just drunk[10:10:29] <JonathanThompson> ?[10:10:30] <cshaiku> data segmentation fault in his encryption[10:10:37] <Thom_Holwerda> im blaming general weirdness.[10:10:45] <JonathanThompson> Thom_Holwerda, I was 4 :)[10:10:48] <ari-free> I blame whole language[10:10:51] <Thom_Holwerda> my point.[10:10:55] <cshaiku> I blame whole wheat[10:10:56] <ddew|bofh> or howevber the english for it is, it's a form of word-blindness :)[10:11:03] <ddew|bofh> *english word[10:11:27] <Thom_Holwerda> ddew|bofh: depends on the type of aphasy :)[10:11:43] <Thom_Holwerda> but i wont bore you with the details.[10:11:50] <JonathanThompson> The same nephew made my sisters laugh when she was on the phone, and some teenagers were exploding firecrackers outside, and he came running in, "Mom, I want a firecheezit!"[10:12:06] <ddew|bofh> i've suffered from it the past 7 years, i'm pretty well versed in the nature of it :)[10:12:13] <ari-free> how do you pronounce Thom? Th as in the or therefore?[10:12:25] <Thom_Holwerda> nope.[10:12:32] <JonathanThompson> T as in top[10:12:47] <ari-free> so what does the h do[10:12:48] <ddew|bofh> T as in Thom :P[10:12:52] <Thom_Holwerda> Like normal Thom, but in english, there's usually a slight aspiration of the t[10:12:56] <JonathanThompson> T as in 2 :D[10:13:12] <bogomipz> 2om[10:13:18] *** slaad has joined #haiku[10:13:21] <bogomipz> err[10:13:21] <ari-free> is it like whom except with a t?[10:13:32] *** tqh has joined #haiku[10:13:52] <bogomipz> no, in whom the h alters the o, not so in Thom[10:14:09] <ari-free> so it's Tom in english[10:14:14] <Thom_Holwerda> it's just Tom[10:14:21] <Thom_Holwerda> in dutch, the h gets lost[10:14:24] <Thom_Holwerda> in english[10:14:28] <ari-free> good I hoped so :)[10:14:33] <Thom_Holwerda> there's a minor aspiration of the t[10:14:40] <JonathanThompson> Same as my last name for pronunciation ;)[10:14:51] <Thom_Holwerda> so in english, there's difference between tom and thom (very minor though)[10:14:55] <Thom_Holwerda> in dutch, there isnt[10:15:04] <ari-free> oh I was thinking thompson was thomping[10:15:17] <JonathanThompson> I'm not thomping anything or anyone![10:15:36] * JonathanThompson thomps ari-free into the ground[10:15:53] <ari-free> I thought you were thomping thoroughly through the thicket[10:16:03] <JonathanThompson> Thanks thor thinking that[10:16:24] <cshaiku> any php coders here?[10:16:29] <ari-free> haha[10:16:36] <JonathanThompson> HaikuNews needs code?[10:16:47] <cshaiku> sorta. I have an idea I'm speculating on[10:16:54] <cshaiku> but I don't want to spill the beans[10:17:26] <JonathanThompson> Then shoot them out of a gun, that's oh so much more fun, when you do it in a pun, and don't spill the beans, but shoot them on the run![10:21:43] <cshaiku> well, seeing as nothing is written even yet, I can share the idea.[10:21:56] <cshaiku> I'd like to incorporate Open Social into Haiku News[10:22:20] <JonathanThompson> I see.[10:22:42] * JonathanThompson wonders if cshaiku is hinting because there's those in the community that work at two different web giants that support it[10:22:45] <cshaiku> I see it as a viable, growing framework that could prove interesting, especially concerning authentication, user profiles, etc.[10:22:53] <cps1966> what about us rebels[10:23:25] <cshaiku> well, yes, its true there is a Yahoo and a Google dev in our midst, but that's not my reasons for wanting to go ahead with it[10:23:39] <JonathanThompson> :)[10:23:54] <cps1966> what happened to frapper[10:24:17] <cshaiku> what about that?[10:30:13] <cps1966> well i haven't been there in ages[10:31:29] *** scottmc has quit IRC[10:31:40] <cps1966> charlton heston died[10:31:50] * JonathanThompson intones, "Moses!"[10:32:07] <cps1966> ber herr[10:32:14] <cps1966> ben herr[10:34:22] <geist> damn dirty apes[10:34:38] <JonathanThompson> They finally toppled the top banana.[10:36:38] <cps1966> hope we dont get anymore bushes[10:36:55] *** VeGeek has joined #haiku[10:37:04] *** cshaiku is now known as cshaiku2[10:37:48] <cshaiku2> test[10:37:51] *** cshaiku2 is now known as cshaiku[10:38:03] <cps1966> 123[10:38:11] <cshaiku> roger, over and out[10:38:20] <cps1966> 10 4[10:39:33] *** Euver has joined #haiku[10:40:58] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[10:49:51] <cps1966> when cbs were popular i used to use side bands[10:59:15] *** El-Al_ has joined #haiku[11:01:21] <El-Al_> tqh: has your ./configure (buildtools) line changed for gcc 4?[11:03:57] *** El-Al_ has quit IRC[11:12:24] *** daste has joined #haiku[11:14:59] *** dchis has joined #haiku[11:15:02] <ari-free> You maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! damn you all to hell![11:15:21] <ari-free> RIP Charlton[11:18:30] <CIA-50> mmlr * r24825 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs):[11:18:30] <CIA-50> Rename vfs_stat_entry_ref() to vfs_stat_node_ref() as that's what a dev_t and[11:18:30] <CIA-50> ino_t combination really is.[11:27:40] <Stargater> so cu later[11:31:24] *** _TestamenT_ has quit IRC[11:37:16] <CIA-50> axeld * r24826 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/busses/agp_gart/intel_gart.cpp:[11:37:16] <CIA-50> * Enabled a few more chipsets that I found PCI IDs for. Only the i845G one has[11:37:16] <CIA-50> actually been tested (see ticket #1969).[11:39:50] *** Stargater has quit IRC[11:50:32] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[11:51:25] <VeGeek> does anybody have an geforce6100 videocard? how does it work with haiku now?[12:06:56] <tqh> el-al not that I know of. Havn't done much lately[12:14:51] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[12:15:55] *** VeGeek has quit IRC[12:23:37] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[12:33:45] *** nibble has joined #haiku[12:36:09] <cshaiku> http://www.innocentenglish.com/funny-pics/lolcats/cute-kitty-showing-button.jpg[12:36:55] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[12:41:18] *** Barrett666 has joined #haiku[12:43:09] *** bSON has quit IRC[12:52:38] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[12:57:26] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[12:59:44] *** SprMa has quit IRC[13:02:37] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[13:04:03] *** rsanches has quit IRC[13:04:35] *** rsanches has joined #haiku[13:04:38] *** clsk has joined #haiku[13:08:25] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[13:08:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[13:10:52] *** oco has joined #haiku[13:12:38] <mmu_man> plop[13:13:16] <oco> plop[13:15:26] <cshaiku> sigh[13:15:44] * mmu_man in bed due to locked up back again :([13:15:53] <cshaiku> medical treatment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AdFA6WWJ7E[13:16:58] <mmu_man> flash...[13:17:29] * dr_evil feels a little tired today[13:19:13] *** nibble is now known as nibble\eating[13:19:40] <mmu_man> at least I fixed my laptop yesterday[13:19:55] <mmu_man> was the power plug that was getting desoldered[13:20:10] <mmu_man> a little ironning and all works again even the battery[13:20:25] <mmu_man> just had to remove countless screws...[13:20:43] <dr_evil> I did the same once, it were about 45 screws until I could resolder it[13:20:53] <dr_evil> (i counted them)[13:21:06] <mmu_man> I think a bit less, didn't count[13:21:13] <mmu_man> but I have the paper with all the wholes[13:21:31] <mmu_man> I've used a paper to put them on with notes on the mounting order[13:22:03] <mmu_man> so next time I can remember I have to remove the screen first as there is a well hidden one under the screen part.[13:26:17] <dr_evil> I still have one extra screw left, didn't know where to put it[13:26:38] *** clsk has quit IRC[13:26:57] <mmu_man> haha, none left here[13:28:12] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[13:28:51] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[13:35:58] *** va1 has joined #haiku[13:38:38] <Barrett666> burp[13:39:34] *** Tonik has joined #haiku[13:56:01] <cshaiku> that's an eerie feeling, dr_evil, having one screw leftover[13:56:23] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[13:57:47] *** cherry`` has joined #haiku[14:05:23] *** genkie has joined #haiku[14:07:13] *** cherry` has quit IRC[14:07:50] <CIA-50> mmlr * r24827 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/fs/devfs.cpp: (log message trimmed)[14:07:50] <CIA-50> When a partition was unpublished from devfs the devfs_delete_vnode() would[14:07:50] <CIA-50> also free the device info which it must not do, as this info is in fact just[14:07:50] <CIA-50> a pointer to the device info of the raw node. Removing a raw device that had[14:07:50] <CIA-50> partitions published therefore always lead into KDL when closing the raw[14:07:54] <CIA-50> device after unpublising the partition, as the close_hook pointer which sits[14:07:56] <CIA-50> in the device info now was 0xdeadbeef. This should make for example unplugging[14:14:49] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[14:15:14] <cshaiku> hahaha[14:15:15] <cshaiku> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y39FYehoVds[14:15:18] <cshaiku> That's hilarious[14:17:51] <dr_evil> April fools joke published on march 31st, thats really stupid[14:18:05] <cshaiku> meh[14:18:13] <cshaiku> I thought the content was kinda cute[14:18:40] *** oco has quit IRC[14:18:47] *** oco_ has joined #haiku[14:18:51] *** oco_ is now known as oco[14:18:56] <cshaiku> and as once a TBJ owner, I was a bit surprised to see it pop up. :P[14:22:29] *** Euver has quit IRC[14:24:24] <oco> any idea on how to fix this error under haiku : "configure: error: C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check" ?[14:33:08] <burfi> does /lib/cpp exist?[14:35:12] <dr_evil> Haiku doesn't have a /lib[14:36:15] <oco> so, maybe it is a problem in haiku's autoconf ?[14:36:32] <oco> (the configure script was regenerated under Haiku)[14:37:46] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[14:39:44] <slaad> Anyone here used the BArchivable stuff with BWindows much? I seem to recall there was a good guide on it, but I can't find it.[14:42:48] *** vbmithr has joined #haiku[14:48:18] <dr_evil> oco I cant help you, sorry[14:48:37] <oco> i just found a workaround ![14:50:46] <oco> limits.h is not included in default path of cpp[14:52:27] *** clsk has joined #haiku[14:55:54] <burfi> oco, you might try setting CPP env var and see if it is beeing respected. Sometimes such crap is hardcoded and the script needs to be hacked.[14:56:04] *** Yaroze has quit IRC[14:57:00] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[14:57:32] <oco> it seems /boot/develop/header/posix/posix is not searched[14:58:44] <oco> burfi : the configure now runs after creating a link to /boot/develop/header/posix/posix/limits.h in /boot/develop/header/posix/[15:00:54] <oco> now, there is a problem when running make : sys/socket.h is not found.[15:04:55] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[15:05:03] <mmadia> where's socket.h located? i needed to copy someheaders from posix/ to posix/sys/[15:05:17] *** Hoern has joined #Haiku[15:06:45] <oco> socket.h is located in /boot/develop/header/posix/posix/sys/[15:08:05] <Hoern> hi[15:09:11] <mmadia> oco what, why, and how are your posix headers located in /boot/develop/header/posix/posix/ ?[15:09:31] <mmadia> on this freshly built image, there is no second posix directory.[15:11:05] <oco> this is also a freshly build image[15:11:17] *** _TestamenT_ has joined #haiku[15:11:20] <oco> maybe a problem in building under BeOS ?[15:11:28] <mmadia> i built it in r5bone.[15:11:29] <_TestamenT_> Hi[15:11:39] <oco> same version here[15:11:58] <mmadia> what revision?[15:14:00] <oco> revision 24811[15:14:39] <mmadia> 27 here, try moving posix/posix/* to posix/*[15:17:19] <oco> already tried : but then problem to find BeBuild.h...[15:17:50] <mmadia> what's the location of that?[15:19:06] <oco> oh : same problem i think : /haiku/develop/headers/os/os...[15:19:19] <oco> i should check my jamfiles...[15:19:26] <mmadia> mm, yeah, develop/headers/os/BeBUild.h here.[15:21:09] <oco> the problem seems only in jam haiku-install as i have compiled a haiku-image with the same source tree that do not have "this feature"[15:21:47] <mmadia> interesting, i'm only doing haiku-image[15:22:19] <oco> (it was jam install-haiku)[15:24:29] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[15:24:30] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[15:25:42] <mmu_man> re[15:26:02] <oco> mmu_man : how are you ?[15:26:32] <mmu_man> sitting atm, hurts a bit but bareable[15:26:54] <Ingenu> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/funny-pictures-ceiling-cat-rests-in-grass.jpg[15:26:57] <Ingenu> enjoy[15:27:41] <mmu_man> lol[15:28:23] <Ingenu> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/funny-pictures-cat-shower-naked-man.jpg[15:28:49] <Ingenu> that one makes me smile :)[15:34:03] <cshaiku> very nice[15:34:43] *** va1 has left #haiku[15:39:46] *** BlankBruno has joined #haiku[15:49:47] *** frankps has joined #haiku[15:49:52] *** BlankBruno has quit IRC[15:53:51] *** waveshaper has joined #haiku[15:54:14] *** _Megaf has joined #Haiku[15:54:18] *** Yaroze has quit IRC[15:54:59] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[15:56:07] *** Yaroze has joined #haiku[15:58:20] *** frankps has quit IRC[15:59:59] *** nils_1 has joined #haiku[16:00:29] *** johndrinkwater has quit IRC[16:01:54] *** johndrinkwater has joined #haiku[16:02:20] *** siarzhuk has joined #haiku[16:05:23] *** ablyss has joined #haiku[16:05:31] <cshaiku> ablyss[16:05:38] <cshaiku> long time[16:05:41] <mmadia> i'm in KDL after unmount walter.image in Haiku... it's an error with vfs.cpp, what can i do to get useful information for bugreports?[16:06:50] <cshaiku> http://www.haiku-os.org/documents/dev/welcome_to_kernel_debugging_land[16:06:55] <cshaiku> read that first[16:07:02] <cshaiku> don't do anything else in kdl just yet[16:07:35] <HeTo> mmadia are you sure that's not fixed in the newest commit from a couple of hours ago?[16:07:47] <mmadia> i'm running it , HeTo ; )[16:08:25] <mmadia> r24826[16:08:59] <mmadia> r24827 was for devfs.cpp[16:10:57] <HeTo> even if it crashes in vfs.cpp doesn't mean the bug isn't in devfs.cpp[16:11:53] *** slaad has quit IRC[16:12:21] *** absabs has joined #haiku[16:13:20] <HeTo> and from what I can tell from the commit message, the bug doesn't manifest immediately but instead when something else tries to access the already deleted structures[16:14:44] <CIA-50> mmlr * r24828 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/ (5 files in 2 dirs):[16:14:44] <CIA-50> Change just host_controller_info to usb_host_controller_info for the sake of[16:14:44] <CIA-50> clearity as suggested by Philippe Houdoin once and brought to my attention by[16:14:44] <CIA-50> Slavatore. As this definition is completely private to the USB stack it would[16:14:44] <CIA-50> not have caused any conflicts though.[16:15:24] <mmadia> I can reproduce it by copying the contents of a mounted haiku image to a freshly initialized BFS partition.[16:25:03] <cshaiku> aaaaaaaaarrrrrrgggggggggg.. 2 hours, 36 minutes to go[16:25:08] <cshaiku> then I can go home and sleep[16:25:29] <cshaiku> someone do something to keep me awake. :)[16:26:56] <bogomipz> cshaiku: BOO!!![16:27:04] <cshaiku> aiiiee!!!![16:27:09] * cshaiku falls off his chair, omg[16:27:13] <cshaiku> :)[16:27:24] <bogomipz> didn't you do this count down yesterday as well?[16:27:31] <bogomipz> or was that somebody else?[16:27:36] <cshaiku> don't remember[16:27:46] <cshaiku> maybe I did post about how long till end of my shift, yeah[16:28:00] <bogomipz> that was what I meant[16:28:10] <bogomipz> 2 hours 33 minutes as I recall[16:28:15] <bogomipz> :)[16:28:34] <cshaiku> heh, guess I get tired at the same time, consistantly?[16:31:24] *** HaikuwareUser has joined #Haiku[16:32:09] *** HaikuwareUser has quit IRC[16:35:03] *** BlankBruno has joined #haiku[16:36:15] <CIA-50> stippi * r24829 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/servers/app/workspace_activated/WorkspaceActivated.cpp: * Fixed missing include.[16:37:07] *** _Megaf has quit IRC[16:39:23] <CIA-50> stippi * r24830 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/servers/registrar/Jamfile: Fixed the build of the registrar for the app_server test environment.[16:41:32] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[16:41:36] <miqlas> Hello![16:42:14] <miqlas> There is an 1. april Haiku - joke: http://beos.mukodik.hu/h3r/?p=80[16:42:15] * cshaiku is playing some very loud african drumming music[16:42:19] <miqlas> Dirty translation:[16:45:23][16:45:36] <cshaiku> hehehe.[16:45:39] <cshaiku> nice[16:46:16] <miqlas> The police fond the bank accounts with lot of money from the Haiku fans.[16:47:14][16:47:23] <cshaiku> are you from that site?[16:47:50] <mmu_man> hey, there wasn't any on bedoperer ?[16:48:19] <cshaiku> there was an april fools on bedoperer[16:48:27] <miqlas> But now the Tux Jihad terroragency want blast in Redmond an in the office of the BSa.[16:48:36] <mmu_man> nice one miqlas[16:48:55] *** tqh has quit IRC[16:49:20] <miqlas> And last: We are peaceful, because the Microsoft was save the World. Again.[16:49:25] <miqlas> ;)[16:50:13] <miqlas> Yes, i'm in the team of this site, but this article was writed by my friend, johnny_b.[16:50:18] <cshaiku> gotcha[16:50:26] <cshaiku> I just added a link to your site from ours[16:50:31] <cshaiku> Haiku News[16:51:07] <miqlas> This is the last renegade Haiku fan page in Hungary.[16:51:23] <cshaiku> it looks nice, even though I cannot read a word of it[16:52:04] <miqlas> no, not regenad, but tenacious.[16:52:06] <miqlas> Sorry :)[16:52:14] <cshaiku> stubborn? :)[16:52:18] <miqlas> My english is not perfect :D[16:52:29] <cshaiku> your english is perfectly fine[16:52:42] <cshaiku> better than most americans, even[16:52:46] <CIA-50> mmu_man * r24831 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/mediaplayer/ (Jamfile MainApp.cpp MainApp.h MainWin.cpp):[16:52:46] <CIA-50> Add recent files to the Open File menu.[16:52:46] <CIA-50> Add dropped files to the roster's list of recent files.[16:52:46] <miqlas> Yeah, stubborn.[16:53:06] *** geist has quit IRC[16:53:08] <cshaiku> ooh. recent files in open files dialog.. nice[16:53:17] <cshaiku> very M$! :)[16:53:18] <cshaiku> hehe[16:53:22] <mmu_man> lol[16:53:36] <mmu_man> it's quite easy with the class from libtracker[16:53:50] <mmu_man> it's even automatically updated[16:53:59] <cshaiku> you're not subverting us, are you? I mean, all this use of subversion, maybe you're taking it too far.. look, mmu_man, don't be so literal, ok? It's not healthy... Take it easy man, have some more wine and cheese man[16:54:17] * mmu_man doesn't drink[16:54:20] <cshaiku> pff[16:54:28] <cshaiku> and you say you're from France?[16:54:33] * cshaiku is disappointed[16:54:45][16:55:06] <cshaiku> maybe we can buy them a ticket to Sealand[16:55:10] <cshaiku> that would be kinda cool[16:55:58] <miqlas> And i have an bank account for the dollar millions :)[16:56:16] <mmu_man> and I have possible use for the $$ :p[16:56:32] <cshaiku> Amsterdam?[16:56:42] <miqlas> You can belive to me, i'm not an agent of the Ms.[16:57:44] <cshaiku> miqlas: do me a favor, and make a link to http://haikunews.org somewhere on that .hu blog?[16:58:01] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[16:58:44] <miqlas> I will make a link :) But I dont have right for this. I will talk with the admin.[16:59:03] <cshaiku> cool![17:03:37] *** _TestamenT_ has quit IRC[17:04:43] <miqlas> If somebody want make an Haiku/BeOS related site this will be good : DHTML menu with BeOS skin: http://www.dynarch.com/products/dhtml-menu/[17:06:40] *** El-Al_ has joined #haiku[17:07:38] *** bSON has joined #haiku[17:07:55] <emitrax> has anybody seem this ? http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y39FYehoVds[17:08:06] <cshaiku> yeah[17:08:27] <cshaiku> I thought it was quite humourous[17:11:33] <CIA-50> stippi * r24832 /haiku/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):[17:11:33] <CIA-50> * Removed trailing spaces in ScrollBar.h[17:11:33] <CIA-50> * It's not a good idea to archive fProportion as int32, seeing it's a float[17:11:33] <CIA-50> on [0..1].[17:11:33] <CIA-50> * Implemented archive constructor for BScrollBar. Untested.[17:11:41] <cshaiku> wow, miqlas, http://www.dynarch.com/projects/calendar/ is pretty sweet[17:11:48] <miqlas> :)[17:12:06] <miqlas> This is not my work. I only publish the link ..[17:15:00] *** geist has joined #haiku[17:15:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o geist[17:17:28] *** Wiss has joined #haiku[17:18:26] <miqlas> Zeubuntu ha changed his name to zeVenOS... Ehh...[17:18:30] <miqlas> Blah...[17:19:38] <cshaiku> url?[17:20:09] <plfiorini> http://thepiratebay.org/tor/4118364/zeVenOS_beta_4[17:20:18] <plfiorini> http://dev.zebuntu.com/beta-4-screenshots/[17:20:36] <cshaiku> lol[17:20:37] <plfiorini> wow what a theme![17:20:38] <cshaiku> nice[17:20:43] <plfiorini> mmmm[17:21:04] <plfiorini> i want to fork $DISTRO_OF_THE_YEAR to change the theme too[17:21:09] <cshaiku> that theme sucks[17:21:22] <plfiorini> nope, if you like zeta theme[17:21:31] <cshaiku> the desktop background is alright, but that theme is weird[17:22:02] <cshaiku> oh geez, way to steal the Tiger background[17:22:32] <cshaiku> actually, its like a bad ripoff of Tiger[17:22:47] *** geist has quit IRC[17:23:09] <cshaiku> uh.. someone was in a hurry?[17:23:10] <cshaiku> http://dev.zebuntu.com/about/[17:23:39] <miqlas> zevenos video: http://rapidshare.de/files/38916444/Oster-Special1.m4v.html[17:25:36] <burfi> looks like typical thrown together hodge-podge with no depth or cohesion - more of the same[17:25:50] <cshaiku> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNn6t0YMGY0&eurl=http://dev.zebuntu.com/[17:26:57] <miqlas> I dont like this. Something with BeOs like icons. But this for me is nothing. Sorry zeVenOS dev team.[17:27:39] <cshaiku> just who is this user, 'llelectronics'[17:28:13] *** geist has joined #haiku[17:28:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o geist[17:28:14] <miqlas> I think he is Leszek Lesner.[17:29:24] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[17:29:25] <miqlas> I see the video. Everything have BeOs like theme, but the firefox don't use the Haiku theme :)[17:29:30] <cshaiku> yeah, pretty sure you're right about Leszek Lesner[17:29:49] <miqlas> And the Amarok..Ehh... I hate this...[17:30:52] <miqlas> I'm waiting for ZeVenOS RC8-beta6-SP4 :)[17:31:09] <cshaiku> lolol[17:31:15] <cshaiku> old memories... sigh[17:31:41] <miqlas> With full of beta apps.. Or v0.0002alpha apps...[17:33:13] <cshaiku> A much nicer video to watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdDUYWBHLsk&NR=1[17:33:25] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[17:33:35] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[17:34:07] <miqlas> Can somebody help to me. I have some question about creative commons license...[17:34:16] <cshaiku> what do you want to know?[17:35:17] <miqlas> I need to draw an gearbox in 3d. My techer told to me he want put my draw in an book.[17:35:42] <miqlas> But i don't like this teacher. And i think maybe i can publish my draw under CC.[17:36:15] <cshaiku> What country do you live in?[17:36:25] <miqlas> And my teacher can't use my draw for profit..[17:36:30] <cshaiku> Hungary, right?[17:36:31] <miqlas> I live in hungary[17:36:35] <miqlas> Yeah :)[17:36:53] <cshaiku> sorry for the large link[17:37:40] <miqlas> np[17:37:57] <miqlas> System error occured :)[17:38:05] <miqlas> The link don't working.[17:38:18] <miqlas> I have another problem with this teacher.[17:38:35] <mmadia> cshaiku tinyurl.com ; )[17:38:59] *** bSON has quit IRC[17:39:00] <miqlas> I need translate an long german technical text. He want put this in an book. Can i use cc license on my translate?[17:39:06] *** bSON has joined #haiku[17:39:27] *** geist has quit IRC[17:39:49] <cshaiku> http://tinyurl.com/4secfn[17:39:52] <cshaiku> try that[17:40:24] <cshaiku> miqlas: you can, yes.[17:40:53] <cshaiku> you can use a CC on any work that you can claim as being your own original, or derivitive (if that original work allows sub licensing) work[17:42:41] <miqlas> I know nothing about the original license of the text.[17:42:44] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[17:42:56] <fyysik> hekko people[17:42:59] <fyysik> hello[17:43:05] <cshaiku> then you might not be able to license your translation.[17:43:06] <cshaiku> Possibly[17:43:06] <mmadia> hi fyysik[17:43:12] <cshaiku> good chance you can[17:43:18] <cshaiku> heyas fyysik, ltns[17:43:19] <fyysik> where to get libpthread*? cannot fond it in my archives:([17:43:29] <cshaiku> try unizone/beshare?[17:44:16] <fyysik> had look at morning at beshare - nothing there, it seems[17:45:09] <CIA-50> bonefish * r24833 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/module.cpp: Removed pipefs from the built-in modules.[17:45:12] *** geist has joined #haiku[17:45:12] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o geist[17:47:31] *** nibble\eating is now known as nibble[17:47:59] *** nibble is now known as nib[17:48:03] *** nib is now known as nibble[17:49:02] <DeadYak> hiya geist[17:50:31] <CIA-50> bonefish * r24834 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/fs/ (Jamfile fifo.cpp pipefs.cpp):[17:50:31] <CIA-50> * Renamed pipefs.cpp to fifo.cpp.[17:50:31] <CIA-50> * Removed the pipefs functionality. We only need to support FIFO nodes.[17:50:31] <CIA-50> * Renamed the remaining pipefs_*() functions to fifo_*().[17:50:53] *** xcasex has joined #haiku[17:51:18] *** scottmc has joined #haiku[17:51:52] *** siarzhuk has quit IRC[17:53:53] <cshaiku> fyysik: did you check here: http://www.bebits.com/app/3322[17:54:06] *** siarzhuk has joined #haiku[17:54:16] <fyysik> found in LibPak, trying[17:54:24] <cshaiku> yes, that's what I just posted. lol[17:55:05] *** scottmc has quit IRC[17:55:53] *** Hoern has quit IRC[17:57:29] <CIA-50> mmlr * r24835 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/bus/usb/ (usb_raw.cpp usb_raw.h):[17:57:29] <CIA-50> Implement a binary compatible way of setting an alternate interface through[17:57:29] <CIA-50> usb_raw.[17:57:54] *** TronDD has joined #haiku[18:01:26] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[18:01:52] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[18:03:32] *** fyysik has quit IRC[18:03:53] <mmu_man> ah great[18:04:33] <DeadYak> what?[18:04:42] <mmu_man> usb[18:04:43] <DeadYak> ah[18:04:45] *** absabs has quit IRC[18:04:51] <DeadYak> I'm not sure I understand that commit :)[18:05:28] <stpere> morning[18:05:37] <mmu_man> doing a set_alt_interface selects a different interface on a device before validating the configuration[18:05:43] <mmu_man> it was not accessible from the USB Kit[18:05:53] <mmu_man> it's needed by some drivers[18:06:45] <miqlas> Somebody can tell me wich is the fastest speed in the dvd writing that don't cause problems on playing on desktop player?[18:07:54] <DeadYak> mmu_man: what defines an "interface" in this case?[18:08:15] <mmu_man> a different set of pipes on the device[18:08:18] <DeadYak> ah[18:08:28] <DeadYak> so like the different slots on those 4-in-1 smartcard readers?[18:08:33] <mmu_man> you can have a control interface (hid) and another one to send data...[18:08:37] <mmu_man> no[18:08:38] <DeadYak> oh[18:08:43] <DeadYak> ok[18:09:21] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[18:15:04] *** El-Al__ has joined #haiku[18:15:25] *** HeTo has quit IRC[18:15:41] *** clsk has quit IRC[18:18:08] <siarzhuk> mmu_man in R5 it was not possible to change alternate at all. :)[18:19:06] <mmu_man> yes[18:20:58] *** cnuke has quit IRC[18:22:13] <CIA-50> stippi * r24836 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/ScrollBar.cpp:[18:22:13] <CIA-50> * Added optional tracing to ScrollBar.cpp.[18:22:13] <CIA-50> * Fixed line breaks to not exceed 80 char limit.[18:22:13] <CIA-50> * Removed any trailing spaces.[18:23:01] <CIA-50> mmlr * r24837 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs):[18:23:01] <CIA-50> * Implemented setting an alternate interface through the USBKit library based[18:23:01] <CIA-50> on a patch by Salvatore Benedetto, adapted to the usb_raw interface by me[18:23:01] <CIA-50> * Added two convenience functions IsStalled() and ClearStall() to USBEndpoint[18:23:01] <CIA-50> Both changes are actually untested, so if you have a use for them and encounter[18:23:05] <CIA-50> problems please shout.[18:24:43] *** plfiorini has quit IRC[18:25:46] *** siarzhuk has quit IRC[18:26:14] <cshaiku> miqlas: usually 12x is fine[18:26:21] <miqlas> Ok.[18:26:22] <miqlas> Thank You.[18:26:26] <cshaiku> :P[18:26:40] <miqlas> I have Samsung desktop DVD player. I think this is good.[18:26:43] <cshaiku> <-- not forgetting the little questions since 1998[18:26:50] <cshaiku> it's alright[18:26:53] <cshaiku> which model?[18:28:00] <miqlas> searching...[18:28:09] <cshaiku> no worries, just curious[18:28:31] <cshaiku> you should be fine writing at 12x. Most blank DVD nowadays are rated for 16X and up[18:29:01] <miqlas> Samsung DVD-P171[18:29:04] <cshaiku> but kicking it back a tad is always a good idea[18:29:10] <cherry``> crappy media tends to be the main source of problems[18:29:33] <umccullough> that was weird... i wonder if I can reproduce that[18:29:36] <miqlas> I don't understand this: "but kicking it back a tad is always a good idea" Sorry, my english is not perfect...[18:30:07] <cherry``> "reducing it a bit is always a good idea"[18:30:49] <miqlas> Ah. Ok.[18:31:03] <miqlas> Slover writing always good :)[18:31:04] <miqlas> Ok.[18:31:09] <miqlas> I understand.[18:31:17] *** El-Al_ has quit IRC[18:31:32] <cherry``> I generally just stick to half the rated speed of the media[18:31:43] <miqlas> Ehh.... Go to drawing... Drawing...Drawing, and drawing.. Blah...[18:31:47] *** El-Al_ has joined #haiku[18:32:08] *** siarzhuk has joined #haiku[18:32:09] <cshaiku> that's an ok dvd player, miqlas[18:32:12] <cherry``> mostly cause I burn a lot of dvd's for PS2 and they have crappy lasers which are fussy as hell[18:32:21] <cshaiku> too true.. hate consoles sometimes[18:32:47] *** El-Al__ has quit IRC[18:33:01] <miqlas> I dont have console. Maybe if Haiku can run on it i buy one...[18:33:03] *** El-Al__ has joined #haiku[18:33:08] <cherry``> in which case I only use certain media and keep burn speed down, which ensures good success[18:35:01] <cherry``> certain media being Verbatim (Mitsubishi Chemicals), Taiyo Yuden or Japan manufactured Sony[18:37:32] <cshaiku> half-rated-speed is a good rule of thumb, but also, you must realize what the intended use of the media is[18:37:45] <cshaiku> so, if you're just storing as an archive, going 80% max is alright[18:38:08] <miqlas> Good start big joke: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Yx8ogAQb5CA[18:38:14] <cshaiku> and, buying quality (where you pay just a little more) always helps[18:38:28] * DeadYak pets cherry``[18:38:37] * cshaiku pops cherry``[18:38:38] <cshaiku> :)[18:39:16] * cherry`` pets the Yak[18:39:24] *** cherry`` is now known as cherrypie[18:39:33] * cshaiku grabs a fork[18:40:38] <cherrypie> if the media is made in India or China don't even bother with it[18:41:45] <stpere> DeadYak: hi :)[18:41:56] <DeadYak> hiya :)[18:42:09] * stpere wants to pet his cat but he's gone :|[18:42:17] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[18:43:00] <cherrypie> being a crippy sucks[18:43:24] <cherrypie> I wanna be able to walk normal again[18:43:52] <stpere> what happened?[18:44:31] <cherrypie> lifting something too heavy a couple weeks ago[18:44:55] <mmu_man> eh[18:44:59] * mmu_man has a hearnia...[18:45:03] <mmu_man> s/ea/e/[18:45:09] <cherrypie> ended up with sublaxation of my right hip socket and spain/strrain of lower back[18:45:43] <miqlas> Go to drawing...[18:45:44] <miqlas> Bye![18:45:51] *** miqlas has quit IRC[18:47:00] <cherrypie> when you getting the hernia fixed mmu_man?[18:47:01] *** aphedox has joined #haiku[18:47:14] <mmu_man> good question[18:47:45] <CIA-50> stippi * r24838 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/ScrollBar.cpp:[18:47:45] <CIA-50> According to my tests on R5, a BScrollBar with a proportion of 0.0, the value[18:47:45] <CIA-50> that it has when you never set it, uses the large step to figure out the[18:47:45] <CIA-50> proportion it should display. This fixes Pe's scroll bars to display the[18:47:45] <CIA-50> "correct" proportion. Of course the proportion is only correct if the large[18:47:46] <CIA-50> step indeed equals the page size. Fixes #1758.[18:47:49] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[18:48:15] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[18:48:22] <cherrypie> friend of mine had one fixed last year, was pretty sore n bruised up after surgery but recovered real quick[18:51:52] <cherrypie> mostly he was concerned about how long it would take til his genetils didn't look like they'd gone one on one with Mike Tyson[18:55:26] *** El-Al__ has left #haiku[18:55:31] <stpere> ouch[18:56:14] *** leszek has joined #haiku[18:56:34] <CIA-50> stippi * r24839 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/ScrollBar.cpp: More style cleanup.[18:57:01] <leszek> hi[18:59:12] <stpere> hi![19:06:49] *** jiuda_D`arkness has joined #haiku[19:07:20] *** El-Al has joined #haiku[19:12:32] *** leszek has quit IRC[19:14:55] *** waveshaper has quit IRC[19:20:11] *** HeTo has joined #haiku[19:22:33] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[19:24:32] *** El-Al_ has quit IRC[19:26:39] *** El-Al has quit IRC[19:41:07] *** Atomozero has joined #haiku[19:42:24] *** jiuda_D`arkness is now known as Barrett666[19:43:30] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[19:43:41] *** Stargater has joined #haiku[19:43:44] <Stargater> hi[19:44:32] *** El-Al has joined #haiku[19:44:41] *** El-Al has left #haiku[19:44:56] *** El-Al_ has joined #haiku[19:44:59] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[19:46:37] *** ChanServ has quit IRC[19:46:38] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[19:47:28] <stpere> hey stargater[19:48:03] *** ChanServ has joined #haiku[19:48:03] *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ[19:48:12] <mmadia> hi ChanServ[19:48:18] <stpere> hehe[19:48:58] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[19:50:05] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[19:50:28] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[19:51:33] *** Euver has joined #haiku[19:51:38] *** pyCube has quit IRC[19:52:06] *** ChanServ has quit IRC[19:53:33] *** ChanServ has joined #haiku[19:53:33] *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ[19:53:44] <Stargater> stpere hi[19:53:45] <CIA-50> stippi * r24840 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/ScrollBar.cpp: More cleanup, disabled accidentally left on tracing.[19:53:56] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[19:59:24] <CIA-50> stippi * r24841 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/View.cpp: (log message trimmed)[19:59:24] <CIA-50> Oh boy. I think I fixed the issue by understanding it with the right side of[19:59:24] <CIA-50> my brain, while the left side is still puzzled. So it's hard to put it into[19:59:24] <CIA-50> words. Basically, there was an unwanted feedback loop when applications first[19:59:24] <CIA-50> scrolled vertically and then horizontally (or vice versa). Because of the[19:59:27] <CIA-50> feedback effects between BView and controlling BScrollBar, and because BView[19:59:29] <CIA-50> controlls both scrollbars at once, it is important not to set the scrolling[20:00:16] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[20:02:01] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[20:16:57] *** Thom_Holwerda has quit IRC[20:20:54] *** El-Al_ has quit IRC[20:25:32] *** TronDD has quit IRC[20:27:15] *** MindChild has quit IRC[20:27:18] *** MindChild has joined #haiku[20:30:11] *** stippi has joined #haiku[20:30:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[20:33:09] <MindChild> #firefox (which #mozilla redirects to) has to be the worst IRC channel ever[20:33:46] <MindChild> I asked two days ago if there was any official docs on creating an extension for firefox 2.* and 3.*, because whatever they have on mozilla.org is 1.5[20:34:01] <MindChild> I didn't get an answer which isn't a problem in itself, because there may not be one[20:34:19] *** ablyss has quit IRC[20:34:34] <MindChild> but hundreds of questions must have come through since then... not one answer to any of them outside of the small ones I could address[20:35:27] <dr_evil> thats probably because IRC is not a support channel[20:35:35] <dr_evil> #haiku also isn't a support channel[20:36:07] <MindChild> I understand that. I just don't understand the almost 100 people in there idling for no reason whatsoever[20:36:15] <MindChild> The questions were the only talk at all[20:36:57] <MindChild> almost like it is a botnet coordination channel[20:38:27] <stippi> I was always wondering why my Firefox secretly opens an IRC connection to #firefox.[20:39:22] * JonathanThompson knows he's been watching too much Stargate: SG1 and Stargate: Atlantis when he has a dream of levitating, sentient, self-assembling legos[20:45:40] *** bSON has quit IRC[20:48:36] *** SprMa has quit IRC[20:50:42] <mmadia> MindChild this might help : http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/[20:51:02] * mmadia goes back to sleeping[20:51:18] <MindChild> The extensions section is out od date[20:51:22] <MindChild> of[20:51:28] <MindChild> It is meant for 1.5[20:51:47] <MindChild> example won't even work in 2.*[20:51:59] *** duaneb has joined #haiku[20:52:43] <stpere> stippi: hi[20:56:15] <stpere> I have implemented the tricks you suggested[20:56:26] <stippi> yeah, cool, I read your mail[20:56:32] <stpere> :)[20:56:36] <duaneb> or did he?[20:56:40] <stippi> did you attach a new patch?[20:56:44] <stpere> the patch is in 1999[20:56:45] <duaneb> are you sure stippi isn't just a robot?[20:56:56] <stpere> I just uploaded it[20:56:59] <stpere> seconds ago[20:57:00] <stippi> cool[20:57:13] <duaneb> an evil construct of microsoft, I wager[20:57:18] <stippi> duaneb: What gave it away?[20:57:21] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[20:57:38] <duaneb> stippi: you're acting like a rational human being[20:57:51] <duaneb> evidence enough for any true irc person...[20:58:07] <stippi> what ahm[20:58:08] <stippi> huh?[20:58:23] <stippi> that does not compute[20:58:26] <stippi> error[20:58:28] <stpere> images.h.gz is the images.h you will need (or you can run the patched generate_boot_splash)[20:58:47] <stippi> stpere: ok, I will take a look now[20:59:28] <stippi> duaneb: syntax error at 0[20:59:41] <duaneb> stippi: you mean 0x0?[20:59:46] <duaneb> or 0x00000000?[20:59:53] <stippi> NULL[21:00:07] <stpere> oh, for sec,I was thinking my patch was bogus because of what you said!: )[21:00:16] <stippi> hehe[21:00:22] <stippi> no, I am just messing around[21:00:55] <stippi> ah, I see you added your copy right. That is good, I was gonna ask you to do it[21:02:02] <stpere> it's more meant so that you can reach me if you have questions :)[21:03:56] <duaneb> ok, I feel stupid[21:03:57] <duaneb> what's Pe?[21:06:12] <stippi> Programmers Editor[21:06:15] <stippi> the best editor for BeOS[21:06:18] <stippi> ... or any OS[21:06:24] <duaneb> is it on haiku by default?[21:06:31] <duaneb> stippi: you mean, except for TextMate[21:06:40] <stippi> It is in the optional packages[21:06:47] <stippi> duaneb: Is that for Linux?[21:06:53] <duaneb> stippi: nah, mac[21:06:54] <stippi> I am still looking for a good editor on Linux[21:07:07] <duaneb> I use qemacs on linux, but that's just me[21:07:28] <stippi> Pe was inspired by BBEdit, now Pe lives on as Pepper on MacOS and Pe on Haiku[21:07:35] <duaneb> huh[21:07:53] <stippi> the original author went on to MacOS[21:08:11] <stippi> Marteen Hekelmann or however he is spelled[21:08:34] <stippi> but Oliver Tappe, Ingo Weinhold and Axel are maintaining Pe and added great features since.[21:09:15] <duaneb> got a link to Pe?[21:09:18] <duaneb> screenshots?[21:09:24] <duaneb> also pepper?[21:09:28] <stippi> I actually got a Mac now, but the font rendering would drive me nuts if I had to use it seriously.[21:09:40] <stippi> duaneb: Do you build your own Haiku images?[21:09:55] <duaneb> yea, but I don't have access to it right now[21:09:58] <geist> eddie![21:10:01] <geist> for macos![21:10:02] <geist> http://www.el34.com/downloads.html[21:10:35] <duaneb> meh[21:10:38] <duaneb> textmate ftw[21:10:58] <duaneb> but let's keep on haiku, shall we? ;)[21:11:00] <stippi> wow![21:11:04] <stippi> there is a Gnome version![21:11:06] <stippi> yikes[21:11:16] <stippi> Eddie is pretty cool too, I used it for a while[21:11:20] <stippi> it got a function popup[21:12:15] <Stargater> duaneb wait, i upload pe documentation[21:12:30] <duaneb> looking at http://www.birdhouse.org/beos/byte/16-workhorse_apps/ right now[21:12:35] <stippi> geist: this might just make my day[21:13:37] <duaneb> nifty[21:13:38] <duaneb> http://www.xs4all.nl/~hekkel2/[21:13:59] <duaneb> japi[21:14:50] <stippi> yeah[21:14:53] <stippi> I am just checking it out to[21:14:55] <stippi> too[21:14:56] *** bogomipz has quit IRC[21:15:37] <stippi> gotta reboot to Linux...[21:15:39] *** stippi has quit IRC[21:16:09] <Stargater> duaneb http://tm.kaldience.com/dir/members/stargater/pe-2.4.1-x86/Documentation/index.html[21:16:17] <duaneb> cool[21:16:20] <duaneb> Stargater: thanks much[21:16:31] <Stargater> np , i love this editor[21:16:44] <duaneb> can it have basic emacs bindings?[21:16:46] <Stargater> and vim[21:16:51] <duaneb> e.g. c-a, c-e?[21:17:06] <Stargater> oh ka. ask mmu_man[21:17:09] <duaneb> I don't want to remove my hands from the keyboard, and my hands know emacs :P[21:17:19] <Stargater> mmu_man is a xemacs guro[21:17:33] <duaneb> ooh, cool[21:17:43] <duaneb> it has emacs marking and such[21:17:58] <Stargater> duaneb mmu_man have xemacs ported to beos[21:18:17] <duaneb> Stargater: yea, but I'm not a big fan of x?emacs[21:18:24] <duaneb> too bloated for my taste[21:18:31] <duaneb> I use the tiny emacs clones[21:18:44] <Stargater> vim ? :-)[21:19:04] <Stargater> i love vim in a shell[21:19:26] <duaneb> I don't mind vim, but it seems buggy in haiku[21:19:41] <duaneb> like it switches modes in the middle of typing[21:20:00] <Stargater> haiku terminal and bash and co need more works[21:20:59] <duaneb> yea, it's prettybuggy[21:21:05] <duaneb> I'm attempting to port microemacs[21:21:15] <duaneb> but for some reason input doesn't work[21:21:33] <duaneb> I wish showmode was on by default in haiku's vim[21:22:22] <duaneb> I need a project[21:22:29] <duaneb> I was thinking about a beos hex editor...[21:28:06] <mmu_man> duaneb DiskProbe[21:28:51] <duaneb> yea, but is it a good editor? :P[21:29:12] <mmu_man> Pe has some emacs bindings btw[21:29:17] <duaneb> cool[21:29:22] <duaneb> I think I'll start using it then[21:30:09] <mmu_man> even C-x 2 to split the window :)[21:30:18] * duaneb drools[21:34:44] *** duaneb has left #haiku[21:38:12] *** Wiss_ has joined #haiku[21:41:00] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[21:44:12] <stpere> hi rene![21:44:42] <stpere> AnEvilYak == DeadYak, right?[21:45:22] <AnEvilYak> yep[21:45:27] <AnEvilYak> = my haiku box[21:45:50] *** Wiss has quit IRC[21:48:38] <mmadia> AnEvilYak is there any other useful bits to find out for #2024?[21:48:43] <mmadia> s/is/are[21:48:50] <AnEvilYak> offhand probably not[21:51:39] <AnEvilYak> hmm[21:51:40] <AnEvilYak> brb[21:51:41] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[21:54:24] *** clsk has joined #haiku[21:59:26] <CIA-50> mmlr * r24842 /haiku/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)[21:59:26] <CIA-50> * Add a AlternateAt() method to the BUSBInterface class that can retrieve the[21:59:26] <CIA-50> usb_interface_descriptor of an alternate interface without having to switch[21:59:26] <CIA-50> to it.[21:59:26] <CIA-50> * Add some reserve bytes to all classes and add some reserved virtual slots[21:59:27] <CIA-50> where the objects are publically constructable.[21:59:31] <CIA-50> * Remove the source compatibilty defines that were briding the old USB* with[21:59:41] <stpere> I will start a new task, I think mine is done :)[22:00:04] *** jiuda_D`arkness has joined #haiku[22:00:05] *** MauriceK has joined #haiku[22:00:59] <CIA-50> stippi * r24843 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/aboutsystem/AboutSystem.cpp: Addded various people who have contributed lately.[22:01:39] *** SiCuTDeUx has joined #haiku[22:01:52] *** cps1966 has quit IRC[22:03:23] *** jiuda_D`arkness is now known as Barrett[22:03:26] *** Barrett is now known as Barrett_[22:11:06] <CIA-50> stippi * r24844 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs):[22:11:06] <CIA-50> Patch by Philippe Saint-Pierre:[22:11:06] <CIA-50> * Revised the RLE algorithm used for compressing the boot splash artwork to[22:11:06] <CIA-50> handle uncompressed runs.[22:11:06] <CIA-50> * Compress the RGB channels separately for improved efficiency.[22:11:47] <stpere> I get a build error into USBKit.a[22:12:04] <stpere> linking error, infact[22:12:18] <stpere> undefined reference to `BUSBDevice::_ReservedUSBDevice5(void)[22:14:10] *** Thom_Holwerda has joined #haiku[22:15:19] *** Schmedly3D has left #haiku[22:16:21] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[22:16:22] *** Barrett_ is now known as Barrett666[22:19:40] <CIA-50> mmlr * r24845 /haiku/trunk/src/libs/usb/USBInterface.cpp:[22:19:40] <CIA-50> Forgot to use nothrow for the allocation of the interface descriptor. Thanks[22:19:40] <CIA-50> for pointing that out Stephan![22:20:11] <geist> hmm, if you want RLE, just use TGA format[22:20:17] <geist> it's super simple, supports RLE[22:21:11] <stpere> oh.. well, it's done now :)[22:23:46] <MichaelHenry> May I ask a gaming question?[22:25:41] <stpere> go :)[22:26:19] <Stargater> re[22:26:40] <MichaelHenry> On BeBits, Rise of the Triad and Duke 3d, have bad links. Anybody know where I can dl a copy?\[22:27:06] <stpere> hmm, not me[22:28:40] <MichaelHenry> thanks anyway[22:29:20] *** MauriceK has quit IRC[22:29:50] <mmadia> MichaelHenry try beshare... always try beshare.[22:29:51] *** EuanK has joined #haiku[22:30:15] *** duaneb has joined #haiku[22:30:22] <MichaelHenry> I am having issues with beshare. It refuses to connect.[22:30:53] <MichaelHenry> I have deleted the settings, the program directory, the whole nine.[22:30:58] <MichaelHenry> I can't make it work.[22:32:05] <mmadia> try running chkbfs[22:32:37] <MichaelHenry> from the termial??/[22:33:23] <mmadia> yeah, chkbfs /boot[22:35:08] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[22:35:19] *** duaneb has quit IRC[22:38:20] *** duaneb has joined #haiku[22:38:46] *** HeTo has quit IRC[22:38:50] <duaneb> latest svn has broken build[22:39:15] <mmadia> broken how?[22:39:24] <mmadia> compile or during run-time?[22:39:34] <duaneb> compile[22:39:39] <stpere> yup[22:39:47] <stpere> undefined symbol in USBKit[22:40:02] <stpere> I'm trying to find a solution, but it would go faster with someone who got a clue :)[22:40:08] <duaneb> http://pastie.caboo.se/176178[22:40:44] <duaneb> yea, trying too[22:41:34] <duaneb> not finding anything..[22:41:49] <Stargater> duaneb do you need a coding idear ? i have some :)[22:41:56] <duaneb> sure :)[22:42:34] <Stargater> makefile and jamfile engine and a GUI , the GUI can run in Oe editor[22:42:41] <Stargater> Oe = Pe[22:42:52] <duaneb> heh[22:43:10] <duaneb> I'm not really sure what you want... You want an IDE type thing?[22:43:26] <duaneb> a gui that takes a bunch of files and builds something using Jam?[22:44:08] <duaneb> fing firefox[22:44:14] <Stargater> BeIDE habe a Projectmanagment tool = add file to a project, can make and co[22:44:15] <stpere> ok, found the issue I think :)[22:44:22] <stpere> I'm testing[22:44:23] *** SiCuTDeUx has quit IRC[22:44:35] <duaneb> stpere, i'm trying to find the symbol now :P[22:45:06] <stpere> it's a virtual method that is never defined..[22:45:16] <stpere> it need to be initialized to 0 I think[22:45:21] <stpere> not sure[22:45:28] <duaneb> does it compile?[22:45:40] <stpere> it's going further than last time :)[22:45:51] <stpere> still not finished[22:46:46] <duaneb> whooops[22:46:49] <duaneb> new error[22:47:06] <duaneb> wait, what did you change?[22:47:21] <duaneb> I added ' = 0' before the semicolon in the virtual definition[22:47:25] <MichaelHenry> thanks mmadia, works like a champ....[22:47:28] *** rdmr has quit IRC[22:47:44] <stpere> in haiku/headers/libs/usb/USBKit.h[22:47:50] <duaneb> yea[22:47:55] <stpere> /msg -freenode DeadYak virtualvoid _ReservedUSBDevice5() = 0;[22:47:58] <stpere> ahh![22:48:11] <duaneb> heh[22:48:20] <MichaelHenry> found duke3d no rise of the triad though, but whooooiiieeee[22:48:39] <duaneb> stpere, that's what I did :P[22:48:48] <stpere> virtualvoid _ReservedUSBDevice5() = 0; (for all five devices[22:48:50] <stpere> plus ..[22:48:55] <duaneb> virtual void _ReservedUSBDevice5() = 0;[22:49:03] <stpere> virtualvoid _ReservedUSBRoster5() = 0;[22:49:12] <stpere> before that in the same file[22:49:21] <duaneb> hrm[22:49:24] <stpere> the same issue is at two places in the file[22:49:30] <Stargater> duaneb ah i have a project four you , mom[22:50:04] *** zlominus has joined #haiku[22:50:39] <Stargater> duaneb i think haiku have not the "tty module"[22:50:40] <stpere> oh great[22:50:40] <duaneb> stpere, http://pastie.caboo.se/176184[22:50:47] <stpere> now I have a kernel panic[22:50:49] <duaneb> did beos have it?[22:51:05] <Stargater> yes[22:51:08] <Stargater> http://bebits.com/talkback/4336[22:51:09] <stpere> maybe my fix isn't right[22:51:12] <stpere> most probably[22:51:39] <stpere> it compiles here, but is breaking haiku[22:51:47] <Stargater> when we have tty then can we run bemobile :-)[22:53:30] *** siarzhuk has quit IRC[22:53:39] <stpere> oh yes[22:53:51] <stpere> duaneb: rebuilding gave me the same error as yours[22:54:14] <geist> i think haiku just implements tty in a different way[22:54:28] <geist> the tty modle in beos was a total mess[22:54:38] <duaneb> meep[22:54:41] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[22:55:02] <stpere> testing a new fix[22:56:23] <stpere> compiled, testing..[22:56:49] <stpere> booted[22:56:54] * duaneb holds his breath[22:56:56] <duaneb> post the patch?[22:57:01] <stpere> yup, sec[22:58:48] *** Euver has quit IRC[23:00:18] <stpere> damn, dev.haiku-os.org is slow :-\[23:02:55] *** rdmr_ has joined #haiku[23:02:56] *** rdmr has quit IRC[23:05:06] <stpere> ticket #2038 have the patch[23:05:34] <stpere> not sure if it's a very elegant solution tho[23:05:39] <stpere> anyway, it does the job :)[23:06:24] *** emitrax has quit IRC[23:07:34] <duaneb> you know what I like?[23:07:44] <duaneb> curl BLAHBLAH | patch -p0[23:07:47] <duaneb> it's very satisfying[23:08:28] *** bombuzal has quit IRC[23:08:57] *** bombuzal has joined #haiku[23:09:02] <stpere> :)[23:09:24] <stpere> so, I should give you a direct link?[23:09:25] <stpere> :)[23:09:35] *** nibble has quit IRC[23:09:36] <duaneb> jesus this is slow[23:09:53] <stpere> yes[23:09:54] <stpere> very[23:10:08] <stpere> took me all that time to upload that simple patch[23:10:22] <stpere> http://dev.haiku-os.org/attachment/ticket/2038/usbkit.diff?format=raw[23:10:29] <stpere> that's the direct link[23:10:34] <stpere> kindof direct[23:11:05] <duaneb> yea, I got it[23:12:22] <duaneb> compiles now[23:15:22] <stpere> good[23:17:07] <duaneb> haiku is *really* slow[23:17:48] <duaneb> good?!?![23:22:06] *** BlankBruno has quit IRC[23:22:20] <geist> slow doing what?[23:22:46] *** mmadia has quit IRC[23:27:52] <stpere> slow booting..?[23:27:58] <umccullough> slow being a pre-alpha unoptimized OS trying to re-create another one that was "slow" as well?[23:28:04] <umccullough> sorry... :)[23:28:07] <umccullough> ok, going outside[23:28:13] <stpere> hehehe[23:28:30] <geist> well, some stuff design wise should be somewhat faster than beos[23:28:31] <geist> so if it isn't then the question is why[23:28:49] <umccullough> time for more benchmarks :)[23:29:04] <duaneb> slow as in unresponsive in general[23:29:06] <geist> should have em all along the way[23:29:14] <duaneb> this is a nifty 'benchmark', thought it abuses the name[23:29:22] <umccullough> doesn't help that it's got internal debug checks, traces out like a banshee and spitting stuff out to serial port also[23:29:23] <duaneb> while :; do date; done | uniq -c[23:29:25] <duaneb> higher the better[23:29:39] <umccullough> duaneb, you using vmware?[23:29:48] <duaneb> umccullough, no, kvm[23:29:53] <duaneb> kvm makes it better[23:29:56] <umccullough> yeah, virtualizing...fun[23:30:01] <duaneb> but it's pretty bad native[23:30:11] <geist> doing what?[23:30:26] <geist> screen darws? fs access? process creation/teardown?[23:30:33] <duaneb> geist, read above[23:30:37] <duaneb> it's unresponsive[23:30:53] <CIA-50> axeld * r24846 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/ (15 files in 2 dirs):[23:30:53] <CIA-50> * The beginnings of an activity monitor application. Very bare and feature-less[23:30:53] <CIA-50> right now, but it's already working (and shows that we better compute our[23:30:53] <CIA-50> system_info::cached_pages field directly).[23:30:53] <CIA-50> * I am not sure if we want to keep this app here, merge it with[23:30:53] <CIA-50> ProcessController, or have it as a separate (3rdparty) app. Opinions welcome.[23:30:54] <geist> to what? ui events I guess?[23:31:03] <umccullough> i think he's talking about his "while" statement[23:31:12] <duaneb> umccullough, no, that's a separate issue[23:31:15] <duaneb> geist, maybe[23:31:22] <dr_evil> what is unresponsive, the haiku-os webiste?[23:31:32] <geist> hard to tell unless you can narrow it down[23:31:33] <duaneb> I'm not expecting anything better at this point[23:31:37] <duaneb> dr_evil, that too[23:31:40] <geist> may just be a mouse driver, or something deeper and serious[23:31:54] <umccullough> been a lot of changes lately...[23:32:02] <dr_evil> dragging windows? vesa mode active?[23:32:17] <stpere> as far as I know, my loop isn't endless.. phew :)[23:32:26] * stpere worked in the boot_splash[23:32:30] <duaneb> dr_evil, yea, it's vesa[23:33:11] *** EuanK has left #haiku[23:33:15] *** clsk_ has joined #haiku[23:33:23] *** clsk has quit IRC[23:33:24] <geist> unaccellerated framebuffer draws under virtualization are frequently terrible[23:33:27] <Stargater> i have see haiku in vesa mode in the new thinkpad t60 and vesa whas verry fast.[23:33:52] <duaneb> geist, believe me, I know[23:34:07] <duaneb> I tried to write a realtime raytracer that could output to vesa[23:34:08] <dr_evil> what do you know?[23:34:10] *** clsk_ is now known as clsk[23:34:24] <geist> yeah[23:34:31] <geist> usually the virtualizer has to catch the accesses and scan it[23:34:32] <geist> or at least[23:34:44] <geist> every n ms redraw the entire thing if it think it's dirty[23:35:08] *** skoe has joined #haiku[23:35:40] *** andrewbachmann has joined #haiku[23:35:41] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o andrewbachmann[23:35:57] *** petterhj- has joined #haiku[23:36:42] <duaneb> dr_evil, that vesa redraw sucks in virtualization[23:37:05] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[23:37:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[23:37:58] *** Barrett666 has quit IRC[23:38:03] <mmu_man> f* the net stack is still screwed up[23:39:18] *** nibble has joined #haiku[23:39:21] *** dchis has quit IRC[23:39:47] <duaneb> anyone else have an nforce ethernet?[23:40:07] <andrewbachmann> I do[23:40:09] *** rdmr_ has quit IRC[23:40:17] <clsk> I do too[23:41:30] *** genkie has quit IRC[23:41:39] <duaneb> does it work?[23:41:50] <duaneb> It doesn't for me :/[23:42:00] <andrewbachmann> it worked in haiku 2 months ago[23:43:41] *** nibble has quit IRC[23:44:46] <mmu_man> and WTF I still can't dump xemacs from Haiku :-([23:45:05] <mmu_man> ends up doing a corrupted file and remounting the fs as read-only[23:45:06] <duaneb> mmu_man, how can I get that?[23:45:10] *** HaikuwareDev has joined #Haiku[23:45:31] <mmu_man> duaneb I don't have a recent package around[23:45:34] *** HaikuwareDev is now known as zter[23:46:07] <mmu_man> http://revolf.free.fr/beos/xemacs-zeta-test.zip that's very old and won't work in haiku[23:48:14] <duaneb> meh[23:48:50] <mmu_man> there is still a bug preventing dumping it under haiku[23:48:56] <mmu_man> let's retry, brb[23:49:02] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[23:49:46] *** rdmr has joined #haiku[23:53:25] *** petterhj has quit IRC[23:53:29] *** zter has quit IRC[23:56:05] *** Ingenu has quit IRC