March 1, 2008 
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March 1, 2008 [00:00:36] *** pfoetchen has joined #haiku[00:05:20] *** Thom_Holwerda has quit IRC[00:05:57] *** Thom_Holwerda has joined #haiku[00:10:14] *** dchis has quit IRC[00:12:57] *** pmr has joined #haiku[00:16:14] *** NeoOokami has joined #haiku[00:18:31] *** tqh has quit IRC[00:19:21] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[00:19:27] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[00:21:26] <mmu_man> plop[00:21:42] * DeadYak plops mmu_man[00:22:28] <salierix> I can see why nobody has made these header files conform to the coding guideline yet... this may take me awhile :([00:26:19] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[00:27:46] *** Euver has quit IRC[00:29:01] *** MauriceK has quit IRC[00:37:08] *** Anarchos has quit IRC[00:39:19] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[00:43:21] <CIA-47> axeld * r24184 /haiku/trunk/headers/build/os/support/SupportDefs.h:[00:43:21] <CIA-47> Updated our build SupportDefs.h to the same version as the current standard[00:43:21] <CIA-47> version. This gets rid of the _IMPEXP* definitions so it should not cause[00:43:21] <CIA-47> any trouble.[00:46:22] *** helf_ has joined #haiku[00:46:29] <helf_> hi[00:46:37] * DeadYak pets helf_[00:46:52] * helf_ is at sisters house[00:47:01] <DeadYak> ahh[00:47:59] <salierix> Would rearranging the members of a class declaration somehow break binary compatibility?[00:49:33] <DeadYak> yes.[00:49:36] <DeadYak> wait[00:49:39] <DeadYak> the member data?[00:49:41] <DeadYak> or the virtuals?[00:50:17] <DeadYak> you are not allowed to change the number or order of virtuals for bin compat.[00:50:29] <DeadYak> nor is the total size of the data members allowed to change[00:53:03] <salierix> DeadYak, Hm... would moving a data member from between two groups of virtuals count as changing their order?[00:54:13] <DeadYak> no, but generally the data members should all be kept together[00:54:20] <DeadYak> oh, from between[00:54:31] <DeadYak> if it's just a data member you're moving, then no problem.[00:54:40] <DeadYak> just don't move the order the virtuals are declared in[00:54:43] <DeadYak> non-virt is irrelevant[00:55:15] <salierix> thx[00:55:18] <DeadYak> np[00:56:47] *** oco has quit IRC[00:58:21] *** NeoOokami has quit IRC[00:58:25] <mmu_man> hmm the worksheet in Pe is quite nice when you actually use it how it's meant to[01:05:56] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[01:08:17] <salierix> Why do I have just a pointer on a blue background in the latest build?[01:13:20] *** ales6 has quit IRC[01:15:48] *** Thom_Holwerda has quit IRC[01:21:41] <salierix> I somehow made a deadlock I think... How could cleaning up a header file make a dead lock :\[01:22:53] *** helf_ has quit IRC[01:25:44] <DeadYak> shouldn't have[01:25:54] <DeadYak> try making a backup copy of the header file, reverting it, and then rebuilding[01:26:01] <DeadYak> that'll tell you if it's your fault or not[01:27:23] <salierix> Ok.[01:27:26] <salierix> KDL says the tracker team only has a single thread...[01:28:04] <DeadYak> idle curiosity, can your mouse pointer move at all?[01:28:18] <salierix> Yeah.[01:28:21] <DeadYak> ah[01:28:27] <DeadYak> try hitting ctrl+alt+del and killing the Tracker[01:29:16] <salierix> ctrl+alt+del doesn't do anything.[01:29:20] <DeadYak> that's odd.[01:29:25] <DeadYak> should bring up the team monitor[01:33:59] <WelcomeToKDL> Bye Guys![01:34:02] <WelcomeToKDL> Good night![01:37:14] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:37:58] <salierix> Well at least now I know it's not my fault.[01:38:40] <salierix> The current build doesn't seems to start correctly under qemu/kvm[01:39:23] *** WelcomeToKDL has quit IRC[01:40:38] *** aldeck has quit IRC[01:50:13] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[01:51:37] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[01:53:26] *** wildur has quit IRC[01:56:43] *** XAV|ER has joined #HAIKU[01:57:20] <CIA-47> anevilyak * r24185 /haiku/trunk/ (7 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)[01:57:20] <CIA-47> read from the app_server, and updating them also works, but[01:57:20] <CIA-47> triggers a bug: the state of the current window somehow gets[01:57:21] <CIA-47> confused, i.e. if I update the panel background color, for some[01:57:24] <CIA-47> reason the color of the BButtons in the appearance pref change color[01:59:08] *** andrewbachmann has joined #haiku[02:00:18] <DeadYak> evening andrew[02:01:29] *** tigerdog-CZ has quit IRC[02:01:56] <andrewbachmann> hi DeadYak[02:02:02] <DeadYak> how's life?[02:02:06] <andrewbachmann> ok[02:02:12] <DeadYak> I forget, you still working at NASA?[02:02:28] <andrewbachmann> last night I hammered out a port of part of the build system for openjdk[02:02:30] <andrewbachmann> yeah[02:02:33] <DeadYak> ah[02:02:34] <DeadYak> nice! :)[02:02:48] *** Anxiety has quit IRC[02:03:15] <andrewbachmann> I need to do a little polishing[02:03:48] <andrewbachmann> are you in beos?[02:03:53] <DeadYak> not at the moment[02:04:07] <DeadYak> I don't have any box running BeOS at the moment, my other one can run Haiku though[02:04:23] <andrewbachmann> do you have gcc on it?[02:04:47] <DeadYak> I could grab it, I honestly haven't tried that in a while though[02:04:52] <DeadYak> did you want a build test?[02:04:53] <tigerdog> andrewbachmann, I'm in Zeta with gcc 2.95.3[02:04:54] <tigerdog> can I help?[02:04:59] <DeadYak> that'd probably be easier :)[02:05:07] <DeadYak> iirc I have to hack some headers to make R5's gcc work on Haiku[02:05:21] <andrewbachmann> ok, let me try sending over my stuff[02:05:21] <tigerdog> I also have R5.0.3 and BONE R5.0.4 partitions from which I can boot/build[02:05:24] <DeadYak> or at least replace some of the crtc glue[02:05:37] <DeadYak> crti*[02:05:54] *** NeoOokami has joined #haiku[02:06:42] <tigerdog> andrewbachmann, is it big stuff or small stuff.[02:06:51] <andrewbachmann> pretty small[02:07:10] <andrewbachmann> hmm I'm trying to do a DCC send but I see nothing[02:07:12] <andrewbachmann> maybe I should just email it?[02:07:15] <tigerdog> I'm only here for about 20 minutes[02:07:26] <andrewbachmann> ok[02:07:29] <tigerdog> andrewbachmann, I'm not seeing the dcc receive but I'm behind a firewall[02:07:38] <andrewbachmann> do you mind giving me your email?[02:08:21] <tigerdog> yep[02:08:50] <andrewbachmann> I might have zipped up the .o as well[02:08:56] <andrewbachmann> please clear those out before building[02:10:08] <tigerdog> got it, andrewbachmann![02:12:01] * mmadia waves hello[02:12:26] <CIA-47> anevilyak * r24186 /haiku/trunk/src/preferences/appearance/ColorSet.cpp: Fix gcc4 warning.[02:13:23] *** andrewbachmann has quit IRC[02:13:30] *** andrewbachmann has joined #haiku[02:13:31] * DeadYak pets mmadia[02:14:41] *** LeandroLuiz has quit IRC[02:14:50] <mmadia> doing some non-vision coding i see : D[02:15:13] *** tigerdog has quit IRC[02:15:14] <DeadYak> perhaps :)[02:17:45] *** tigerdog has joined #haiku[02:18:05] *** XAV|ER has quit IRC[02:18:29] * tigerdog scratches ear.[02:18:42] <tigerdog> got disconnected from freenode for no obviously good reason.[02:19:28] <DeadYak> did you try to do a large paste?[02:19:42] <DeadYak> [19:15] *** tigerdog quit (Excess Flood)[02:19:57] <tigerdog> yes, DeadYak.[02:20:03] <DeadYak> that's why[02:20:10] <DeadYak> IRC server protects against that[02:20:11] <tigerdog> tried to send andrewbachmann the console output of the build[02:20:20] <DeadYak> yeah, that's why[02:20:22] <tigerdog> old dog just learned new trick.[02:20:35] <DeadYak> you can get away with that in a DCC chat though[02:20:35] * tigerdog makes note to self: don't spam the server[02:20:47] <tigerdog> thanks for the pointer, Yak[02:20:51] <DeadYak> np :)[02:20:51] <mmadia> tigerdog http://paste.uni.cc/8140 bookmark it, love it.[02:21:13] <mmadia> uumm.. wrong link :)[02:21:20] <mmadia> http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php[02:22:25] <andrewbachmann> which gcc do you have tigerdog?[02:23:26] <tigerdog> 2.95.3-beos-060710[02:23:35] <andrewbachmann> ok[02:24:05] <tigerdog> I ran into trouble building Firefox with the later -070218 version.[02:24:42] <andrewbachmann> can you email me your string header[02:25:05] <tigerdog> I can if you teach me what a string header is... :)[02:25:11] <tigerdog> remember, I'm a dog, not a dev[02:25:16] <andrewbachmann> find a file called string.h[02:25:25] <tigerdog> ah, thought that might be it.[02:26:38] <andrewbachmann> oh, and the cstring file too[02:26:39] <tigerdog> need to figure out which of the many is in Zeta's current path.[02:26:42] <tigerdog> just a sec[02:26:43] <andrewbachmann> just called cstring[02:26:47] <andrewbachmann> okay thanks[02:29:05] <tigerdog> uh oh. dear wife just hailed me - must go pick up child from baseball.[02:29:16] <tigerdog> haven't isolated the correct string header yet, andrewbachmann[02:29:30] <tigerdog> may I beg forgiveness and send it later tonight?[02:29:50] *** andrewbachmann has quit IRC[02:29:53] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[02:29:58] *** andrewbachmann has joined #haiku[02:30:13] <andrewbachmann> maybe I should give up on Snak[02:30:16] <andrewbachmann> but I paid for it :-([02:30:20] *** tigerdog has quit IRC[02:38:29] <mmadia> andrewbachmann in the meantime, want me to try on r5+bone?[02:38:45] <andrewbachmann> ok[02:41:07] <andrewbachmann> how about I email you?[02:41:56] <mmadia> ok.[02:43:20] *** TheNerd_ has joined #haiku[02:43:39] *** andrewbachmann has quit IRC[02:43:50] *** andrewbachmann has joined #haiku[02:44:08] *** [Katisu] has joined #haiku[02:49:51] <mmadia> andrewbachmann http://pastebin.com/m39496db7[02:51:06] <andrewbachmann> hmm[02:51:07] <andrewbachmann> how annoying[02:51:42] <mmadia> was it the same as tigerdog's?[02:52:12] <mmadia> what about trying Bstring?[02:52:28] <andrewbachmann> well, I used to have something else on that line[02:52:37] <andrewbachmann> but what I had didn't compile on the Mac :-)[02:53:18] <andrewbachmann> can you change line 84 of MacroDefinitions.cpp to add // in the front[02:54:23] <mmadia> good and badnews: http://pastebin.com/m22b7534c[02:54:43] <andrewbachmann> nice[02:55:10] <andrewbachmann> so, only 1 line with problems[02:55:56] <salierix> What are you testing?[02:56:40] <andrewbachmann> a port of part of the openjdk build system[02:57:01] <mmadia> andrew why does the makefile include MetroWerksMacPlatform.cpp as part of the default sources?[02:57:22] <andrewbachmann> it's supposed to be crossplatform[02:58:36] <mmadia> is MakeDeps.cpp the main file?[02:58:57] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[03:00:11] *** bachmann has joined #haiku[03:00:20] <mmadia> is MakeDeps.cpp the main file?[03:00:32] *** andrewbachmann has quit IRC[03:00:41] *** bachmann is now known as andrewbachmann[03:00:42] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o andrewbachmann[03:00:52] <andrewbachmann> yes[03:02:24] <mmadia> /boot/develop/lib/x86/start_dyn.o(.text+0x5d): In function `_start':[03:02:25] <mmadia> : undefined reference to `main'[03:02:36] <mmadia> that really perplexes me.[03:02:47] <andrewbachmann> :-)[03:04:21] *** MrLinky has joined #haiku[03:05:14] <andrewbachmann> there might be some clues in makefile-engine[03:05:30] <Kokito> hey andrewbachmann[03:05:48] <andrewbachmann> hi Kokito[03:05:54] <mmadia> not here ;)[03:06:03] <MrLinky> is there any way shape or form to connect to msn messenger?[03:06:08] *** TheNerd__ has joined #haiku[03:06:09] <MrLinky> on beos?[03:06:15] <mmadia> im kit[03:06:51] <MrLinky> how exactly does it work, ive tried it before (or at least i think) lol, is there any documentation on it?[03:06:56] <mmadia> weeeelll... that might require bone.[03:07:04] <andrewbachmann> maybe I should try building in the haiku in vmware[03:07:11] <MrLinky> what about zeta 1.2+ ?[03:07:14] <andrewbachmann> although I don't really understand how to map native disks[03:07:24] * mmadia shrugs.[03:07:56] <MrLinky> really need an rtos and its the only thing holdin me back lol[03:09:56] *** TheNerd has joined #haiku[03:11:59] <MrLinky> all i need to know is if im kit works for sure with the current msn protocol whatever it is, and ill figure the rest out lol[03:12:57] <mmadia> it works. i'm signed in now.[03:16:02] *** cps1966 has joined #haiku[03:18:51] <MrLinky> sweet deal[03:18:57] <MrLinky> ill c ya lataer[03:19:05] *** MrLinky has quit IRC[03:20:03] <mmadia> does anyone know if the GeForce 6100 chipset works with any flavor of Be?[03:21:27] <cps1966> should[03:22:11] <cps1966> my 6200 worked with zeta and R5+bone[03:22:21] *** TheNerd_ has quit IRC[03:22:29] <mmadia> what's the make + model on that? : )[03:22:43] <cps1966> jaton[03:24:39] <cps1966> NV44A [GeForce 6200][03:24:49] <andrewbachmann> I didn't have success with 6100[03:24:53] <andrewbachmann> yet[03:24:54] *** TheNerd__ has quit IRC[03:25:09] <cps1966> Vendor ID: 0x10de[03:25:09] <cps1966> Device ID: 0x0221[03:25:09] <cps1966> Sub vendor ID: 0x1b13[03:25:09] <cps1966> Sub device ID: 0x0221[03:25:29] <mmadia> unfortunatel the first half is just gobly-gook.[03:25:57] <cps1966> what driver you trying to use[03:26:18] * mmadia 's looking to upgrade and keep a flavor of R5[03:27:33] <cps1966> zeta wont boot now because of sata drives 4 of them two different controlers[03:29:38] <mmadia> cps1966 what's the make and model of that motherboard again? : )[03:29:55] <cps1966> pc-dl delux[03:30:00] <cps1966> asus[03:30:38] <mmadia> http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=9&l2=39&l3=99&model=104&modelmenu=1 ?[03:31:57] <cps1966> yeah[03:32:13] <mmadia> any complaints?[03:32:20] <cps1966> intel and promise sata controlers[03:32:32] <cps1966> no its a great board[03:32:35] <Kokito> how's the new machine working andrewbachmann ?[03:32:58] <andrewbachmann> I'm not running it right now[03:33:07] <andrewbachmann> I want to put a 120MB in it with beos on it[03:33:14] <andrewbachmann> but I'm using that hard disk right now[03:33:17] <cps1966> plus 2 chanel pata controler[03:33:17] <andrewbachmann> er, 120GB[03:33:37] <andrewbachmann> and then I am going to install windows media center on the 250GB[03:33:50] <cps1966> yuk[03:33:55] <andrewbachmann> but I don't have the disk, so I am going to try a torrent iso[03:34:17] <cps1966> get the student one[03:34:29] <andrewbachmann> I have a license, but no disk[03:34:52] <cps1966> vista crap[03:35:39] <cps1966> not worth your troubles get mandriva powerpack instead[03:36:12] <cps1966> why is bebits so friggin slow now[03:37:00] <salierix> Has the openjdk project started yet?[03:37:41] <salierix> The haiku port[03:38:05] <andrewbachmann> yes[03:43:18] *** Al2O3_ has joined #haiku[03:44:18] <mmadia> cps1966 just to make certain, is this the cpu for that board? http://www.pricewatch.com/microprocessors/xeon_3.0ghz.htm[03:44:49] <cps1966> yeah that looks right[03:46:06] <cps1966> check ebay first i bought a pair of 2.4 for 100 bucks last year[03:46:31] <cps1966> matched serial numbers also[03:47:22] <mmadia> nice! i'll keep that in mind. over the next week or so, i want to flush out the details and prices.[03:47:48] <cps1966> good numbers to o'c mine will do 3.4 without extra cooling[03:48:10] <mmadia> what's your cooling?[03:48:39] <cps1966> i have coper heat sinks with 80mm fans[03:49:04] <mmadia> nice[03:49:14] <cps1966> for low profile server[03:49:24] <cps1966> 1 1/2 high[03:49:36] <cps1966> without fans[03:49:50] <cps1966> 30 fins i think[03:50:01] <mmadia> i tihkn i've seen those online before.[03:50:12] <cps1966> 30 bucks each[03:50:19] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[03:53:45] <cps1966> dual quad cores would be nice though[03:55:08] <mmadia> nope. better than 'nice' : P[03:55:08] <cps1966> get the ocz memory also[03:55:46] <cps1966> i just got 2 Gb of ocz[03:56:13] <mmadia> well, i'm not yet certain what i want to upgrade too yet.[03:56:57] <cps1966> well i spent about 500 bucks for mine two years ago[03:57:20] <cps1966> now it has many extras[03:57:31] <cps1966> 1.9 TB of storage[03:57:58] <Schmedly3d> Terrorbytes?![03:58:05] <Schmedly3d> ;)[03:58:16] <cps1966> huh got room for more[03:58:52] <cps1966> lke 5.5 TB[03:59:16] <Schmedly3d> I'm feeling accomplished today for getting R5 running on an old PII 400[03:59:24] *** umccullough_work has joined #haiku[03:59:25] <cps1966> or even i could stick in my scsi card for even more[03:59:36] <Schmedly3d> and being able to use that nice package Jason Sams sent us all so long ago[03:59:43] <Schmedly3d> look at that little Radeon chug[03:59:48] <Schmedly3d> <sniff>[04:00:26] <cps1966> hah i have my pld p3 dually also runs beos R5 real good[04:00:35] <cps1966> 1.1 ghz[04:00:59] <Schmedly3d> yeah I used to have a nice little Tekram mobo with dual PIII 500[04:01:00] <umccullough_work> oh, thanks for reminding me - i wanna see if I can put BeOS on the Dell PowerEdge 4200[04:01:35] <umccullough_work> probably won't support the RAID controller :/[04:01:45] <cps1966> mmadia: i know my p3 job has 5500 fx in it works well with any driver for nvidia[04:03:38] <Schmedly3d> I'm tempted to see just how far I can take that mobo but I guess I would need a Coppermine-T enabled slot convertor and a Celeron 1.4 or so[04:04:40] <cps1966> heck mainboards are cheap 59 bucks with 3 ghz dual core[04:05:08] *** NeoOokami has quit IRC[04:05:35] <Schmedly3d> but for me to play with either of the hardware accelerated opengl options, I'd need an AGP slot[04:06:05] <mmadia> cps1966 my main machine is only a dual 866 p3 w/768mb ram.[04:07:14] <mmadia> the one that recently died on me is an upgraded 440bx 1.3g celeron[04:07:32] <Schmedly3d> the board is dead or the cpu?[04:07:43] <cps1966> i have my old dual p3 hooked up to 32 inch rca lcd tv[04:07:46] <mmadia> slocket + fcpga-->fcpga2 adapter[04:08:00] <Schmedly3d> that's exactly what I was looking at doing[04:08:01] *** NeoOokami has joined #haiku[04:08:08] <cps1966> not worth the trouble[04:08:13] <mmadia> Schmedly3d the psu or hard drives might be on the fritz. i really havent checked that much yet.[04:08:23] <Schmedly3d> only I thought there was a fcpga2 enabled slocket at some point[04:09:49] <Schmedly3d> mmadia: don't feel like going on a quest to figure it out huh[04:10:05] <Schmedly3d> mmadia: I've had plenty of times like that :)[04:10:38] <mmadia> i've been having trouble finding information for r5 on relatively new hardware.[04:11:08] <cps1966> thats because it few and far between[04:11:12] <mmadia> and nothing is more reassuring than "i'm running r5 on ---- right now" : )[04:11:45] <cps1966> i have 1440x900 res and that was a problem[04:12:18] <Schmedly3d> I've got the R5 box hooked up to the vga input on this 24" panel[04:12:22] <Schmedly3d> and it looks like crap[04:12:36] <Schmedly3d> but it works[04:12:50] <mmadia> is that panel a TV or a monitor?[04:13:01] <Schmedly3d> it's a dell 2407 lcd[04:13:22] <cps1966> oh no wonder why it looks like crap[04:14:10] <Schmedly3d> that's either a slight against dell or......[04:14:30] <cps1966> yeah it is[04:14:42] <cps1966> fuck dell and their shit[04:14:55] <Schmedly3d> I might agree with you in principle for their systems, but their monitors are the best bang for the buck[04:15:40] <mmadia> any thoughts if AM2 systems would work?[04:15:55] <cps1966> i doubt it[04:16:15] <Schmedly3d> mmadia: I couldn't get R5 to boot on a 939 system[04:16:24] <mmadia> what system?[04:16:39] <Schmedly3d> mmadia: so I doubt anything newer would be easier[04:17:37] <Schmedly3d> it's a GeForce 430 chipset with the 6150 onboard gfx socket 939 and an athlon 64 3400+[04:18:10] <Schmedly3d> I use it to build and install haiku from linux, which works almost perfectly[04:18:23] <Schmedly3d> but there was no R5 love for it at all[04:18:38] <Schmedly3d> even Zeta wouldn't work properly with it[04:18:43] <cps1966> driver issues[04:20:03] <Schmedly3d> I was thinking of getting rid of it for what cps1966 was talking about earlier[04:20:19] <Schmedly3d> that is if I knew up front I could build and run haiku on a quad core[04:20:51] <cps1966> well it should work if you turn off smp[04:21:10] <Schmedly3d> haiku isn't smp happy yet?[04:21:16] <cps1966> nope[04:21:23] <Schmedly3d> I thought I saw something about it running successfully[04:21:31] <mmadia> mmlr was working diligently on getting haiku on intel core 2 quad[04:22:26] <Schmedly3d> sounds like a good enough reason to stick with what I have for now[04:23:42] <cps1966> watching fools gold right now[04:24:18] *** jo_ has joined #haiku[04:24:29] <Schmedly3d> any good?[04:25:25] <Schmedly3d> I thought those two had no chemistry in their other flick[04:27:18] <umccullough_work> WHAT?[04:27:21] <umccullough_work> haiku is SMP-friendly[04:27:38] <umccullough_work> the SMP issues were mostly fixed by mlotz in the last month or two[04:27:53] <umccullough_work> demonstrating it successfully running on a quad-core even[04:28:27] <umccullough_work> probably still some issues, but at least they don't prevent booting now :)[04:28:31] <andrewbachmann> nice[04:28:40] <Schmedly3d> ooh interesting[04:28:48] <Schmedly3d> let's put quad core back on the shopping list heh[04:28:53] <umccullough_work> :)[04:29:02] <umccullough_work> yeah, i need to get one myself soon[04:29:16] <umccullough_work> the core 2 duo and amd x2 are nice and all... but I need HORSEPOWER[04:29:17] <Schmedly3d> be one heck of a build machine[04:29:36] * umccullough_work pets his farm of distributed-computing grunts[04:30:31] <umccullough_work> perhaps cowpower is a better term[04:30:40] <Schmedly3d> if one were to consider a grunt as a sound, one might wonder how it could be petted[04:30:51] *** tigerdog has joined #haiku[04:31:15] <mmadia> umccullough_work got any suggestions for R5 / R5Bone, or 5.1d0 work horses?[04:31:28] <Schmedly3d> heh I'm all ears too[04:31:32] <umccullough_work> mmadia, what do you mean?[04:31:47] <umccullough_work> mmadia, i may have finally sparked interest in getting a new SoB client for beos/zeta/haiku[04:32:02] <mmadia> well... best i've heard so far is amd x2 on 939.[04:32:12] <mmadia> congrats![04:32:19] <umccullough_work> mmadia, oh, you mean - do *I* have any?[04:32:28] <mmadia> or *know* : )[04:32:33] <umccullough_work> i've got R5 running on a celeron 2ghz, and a P4 2.8ghz[04:33:00] <umccullough_work> it runs in a vmware virtual machine on my AMDx2 5600+ - does that count?[04:33:05] <umccullough_work> ;)[04:33:18] <umccullough_work> http://www.free-dc.org/forum/showthread.php?t=13777[04:33:19] <mmadia> depends... do you compile in it? : )[04:33:41] <mmadia> or would you ?[04:33:50] <umccullough_work> i could probably...[04:34:05] <umccullough_work> i bet compiling in R5 running in vmware on an AMD X2 would be faster than the P4 2.8[04:34:08] <umccullough_work> but i can't prove it[04:34:34] <umccullough_work> with 2gb of RAM on the host, it could cache a TON of the disk reads/writes for the guest[04:34:37] <mmadia> `time make` ; )[04:34:40] <umccullough_work> actually...4gb now :P[04:34:48] <umccullough_work> mmadia, i'll test when i get home[04:35:07] <umccullough_work> actually...[04:35:18] <umccullough_work> i'll have to wait till sunday - i'm booked solid on this project until tomorrow night :/[04:35:23] <umccullough_work> meaning, i shouldn't be chatting right now ;)[04:35:26] <mmadia> actually, i'm not sure if that'd work as it'd reflect the time of R5 and not the host os, which would be the one to track.[04:35:57] <umccullough_work> the disk access would be pretty damn quick though because of the host caching[04:37:01] *** NeoOokami has quit IRC[04:37:04] <umccullough_work> anyhow if you read that thread i posted above - you'll see that "Alien88" will investigate an updated BeOS SoB client as soon as I give him an R5 Vmware image[04:37:16] <mmadia> umccullough_work does cpu brand matter for R5 in vmware?[04:37:19] <umccullough_work> in the meantime I pointed him to the Haikuware superpack to mess with Haiku if he wants[04:37:27] <umccullough_work> mmadia, i believe so, yes[04:37:38] <umccullough_work> since it doesn't abstract the processor - you still need the AMD patch[04:37:52] <umccullough_work> i ended up using Max V4b1 which has the AMD patch already applied[04:38:03] <mmadia> cool.[04:38:23] <umccullough_work> I haven't tried R5 raw on that hardware yet - but I know Zeta runs on it[04:38:42] <umccullough_work> except the video ...[04:38:46] <umccullough_work> but that's a different problem[04:39:08] <umccullough_work> now... the core 2 duo spanks the AMD X2 on raw performance[04:42:24] *** pfoetchen has quit IRC[04:42:29] <mmadia> well, yeah. but functionality is key here : )[04:44:13] *** Kokito has quit IRC[04:45:30] <umccullough_work> core 2 should run beos without a patch even[04:46:05] <umccullough_work> processor wouldn't be the problem - probably other stuff[04:47:24] *** NeoOokami has joined #haiku[04:47:55] <mmadia> what like lack of PATA ? : )[04:48:14] <umccullough_work> yeah. that.[04:48:27] * tigerdog stretches, snorffs and walks away for a while.[04:48:43] *** kc5tja has left #haiku[04:49:12] <Schmedly3d> that's interesting... right now I've got R5 on a PATA drive on a promise controller[04:49:45] <Schmedly3d> find a c2d system with a pci slot and voila[04:49:50] <umccullough_work> i'll have to see what the PATA controller is on my 2.8ghz intel box[04:50:07] <umccullough_work> i know the video is intel i865[04:50:27] <umccullough_work> so, probably ICH5 or 6 or something[04:51:03] <umccullough_work> ah, google says ICH5[04:51:09] *** andrewbachmann has quit IRC[04:51:42] <umccullough_work> I installed R5.0.3 Pro on it - so it doesn't even require BeOS Max :)[04:51:58] <umccullough_work> except video is still VESA and no network yet (ipro1000)[04:52:09] <umccullough_work> i need to update those drivers and then it should be good[04:53:12] <umccullough_work> the funny thing is - i have Haiku on another partition and it is fully supported out of the box - so I've been using Haiku to copy stuff to the R5 partition ;)[04:56:25] * DeadYak meeps[04:59:05] <umccullough_work> yeah, i need to get back to work...so i'm signing off ;)[04:59:10] *** umccullough_work has quit IRC[05:07:33] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[05:14:54] <ddew|bofh> g'morning[05:17:07] *** jo_ has quit IRC[05:20:56] *** M199 has joined #haiku[05:24:07] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[05:33:14] *** Master199 has quit IRC[05:40:34] *** NeoOokami has quit IRC[05:42:15] *** Kokito has quit IRC[05:42:31] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[06:03:43] *** Kokito has quit IRC[06:09:43] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[06:16:28] *** M199 has quit IRC[06:20:26] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[06:27:11] *** Al2O3_ has quit IRC[06:31:21] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[06:31:22] *** cps1966 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constructive to add a note to a bug-ticket that the issue happens for me even without USB enabled?[06:57:39] *** Euver has joined #haiku[07:01:02] <CatStretcher> Depends.[07:01:09] * CatStretcher hands ddew|bofh some Depends[07:01:33] <ddew|bofh> well i've removed the usb_hid driver from the image. hopefully that'll help[07:01:40] <ddew|bofh> be back in a jiffy :)[07:05:26] * CatStretcher wonders how long a jiffy is[07:07:21] *** CatStretcher is now known as JonathanThompson[07:07:32] * JonathanThompson is now me again[07:08:31] <ddew|bofh> ok, that was enlighting.[07:08:37] <ddew|bofh> sucky but enlighting[07:08:48] <JonathanThompson> Still bugged?[07:08:58] <salierix> "In computing, a jiffy is the duration of one tick of the system timer interrupt" -wikipedia[07:09:08] <salierix> I've never heard that before :)[07:09:18] <JonathanThompson> Yes, I remember something along those lines, but... still, it depends on the machine ;)[07:09:24] <ddew|bofh> still bugged even with the usb drivers removed[07:10:04] <JonathanThompson> Conversation isn't quite as nice in some respects graphically, but it's far more responsive and useable for typing than Colloquy.[07:10:34] <JonathanThompson> Colloquy for some weird reason puts laggy pauses in the user event loop that interferes with you typing.[07:10:39] <ddew|bofh> i'm still on irssi[07:11:03] <ddew|bofh> which is nice since i'm for the moment stuck on linux for a bit[07:11:22] * JonathanThompson ponders a QA parody of old US anti-drug commercials[07:11:25] <ddew|bofh> atleast it's one thing that behaves like i want it to[07:11:29] <JonathanThompson> These are bugs...[07:11:38] <JonathanThompson> These are your brains on bugs... any questions?[07:12:14] <ddew|bofh> indeed :)[07:13:06] * JonathanThompson needs to complete the two parodies about the Microsoft/Yahoo mutation this weekend[07:13:39] <ddew|bofh> i need to find my passion again[07:13:40] <JonathanThompson> A parody first of "Knights in White Satin" and then the "Coconut" song (you put the lime in the coconut, and you shake it all up" )[07:13:58] <JonathanThompson> What was your passion?[07:14:03] <ddew|bofh> computers[07:14:18] <JonathanThompson> Well, you can't claim a lack of time being available...[07:14:27] <ddew|bofh> yeah[07:14:38] <ddew|bofh> hopefully hacking around in linux will help[07:16:18] * JonathanThompson wonders if perhaps ddew|bofh is clinically depressed, or just dealing with a low inertial state[07:16:35] *** Kokito has quit IRC[07:17:12] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[07:17:17] <ddew|bofh> i'm clinically dpressed[07:17:46] *** Thom_Holwerda has joined #haiku[07:19:20] <JonathanThompson> Well, that's a cheerful thought.[07:19:32] * JonathanThompson is clinically sarcastic, well, not really...[07:20:00] <ddew|bofh> heh[07:20:32] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[07:24:18] *** Euver has quit IRC[07:25:13] *** PieterPan has joined #haiku[07:25:42] <JonathanThompson> I predict 20 years from now, the psych profession will find a way to label everything that's not a certain expected personality type as defective in some category, ddew|bofh: that's the eternal optimist in me speaking ;)[07:26:44] <ddew|bofh> heh, you sound like a religious radical "there are no diseases and psychiatry is evil"[07:27:09] <JonathanThompson> h, but you misunderstand :P[07:27:15] <JonathanThompson> ah[07:27:52] <ddew|bofh> ah, now i get your point[07:28:05] <ddew|bofh> well, trust me. i am fucked in the head :)[07:28:21] * JonathanThompson isn't arguing that point, as he knows it's pointless[07:29:29] <ddew|bofh> yeah, there are better things to get bothered by[07:30:01] <JonathanThompson> Hey, as long as you don't treat me like crap and aren't dangerous, how messed up you are mentally doesn't matter much to me ;)[07:30:58] <ddew|bofh> hehe[07:31:20] <kr1stof> moin[07:31:23] <ddew|bofh> moin[07:31:33] <ddew|bofh> i'm just waiting for the meds to kick in :)[07:31:36] <JonathanThompson> Of course, "dangerous" is a relative thing, and often it's your relatives that are the most dangerous ;)[07:31:48] <ddew|bofh> until then i can live with feeling like moping zombie :P[07:32:19] <JonathanThompson> I can't help but think sooner or later I'll be strongly suggested to take stuff to sleep.[07:32:20] <kr1stof> Interesting discussion indeed. :-)[07:32:44] <kr1stof> Insomnia?[07:32:48] <JonathanThompson> (No rubber mallets or the like to the head, though, please)[07:33:01] <ddew|bofh> i'll try not to :P[07:33:08] <JonathanThompson> I'm trying to remember the last time I had a night where I got more than 4 hours sleep where I didn't wake up at least once in that period.[07:33:41] <JonathanThompson> Though I wouldn't be too surprised if it could be blamed on sleep apnea.[07:34:05] <ddew|bofh> apnea is scary[07:34:08] <kr1stof> Same here. I wish I could sleep more than 4-5 hours[07:34:13] <JonathanThompson> Though I'd rather not find myself strapped to a machine such as that, since sleep is a time I'd hope to remove extra sensory input from my daily grind.[07:34:49] <JonathanThompson> I have a strong suspicion that on one hand, it'd help me breath more consistently through the night, on the other hand, I'd get no more effective rest from the day.[07:34:50] <ddew|bofh> well if it gives you a full nights sleep it might be worth it[07:35:01] <kr1stof> Still tired, but cannot sleep anymore. :-([07:35:20] <JonathanThompson> I think I've mentioned before that I tend to include outside sensory input into dreams ;/[07:35:47] <JonathanThompson> It can be curious what dreams I wrap around TV shows or radio broadcasts or whatever else is going on...[07:36:09] <JonathanThompson> And not always pleasant, if it's news coverage of a natural or man-made disaster.[07:36:55] <ddew|bofh> yeah, that's gotta be pretty annoying to have in your dreams[07:37:32] <JonathanThompson> The most memorable/graphic one involved an earthquake in Armenia, I think it was, that I heard on NPR in my dream, and I was in the viewpoint next to the camera man.[07:38:03] <JonathanThompson> Nothing like getting to visualize (in hyperreal detail) a dead woman staring out at me from under building rubble with blood running down her forehead.[07:41:02] * JonathanThompson can't see what the real advantage of a backlit keyboard on a computer really is: perhaps he knows how to type too well[07:46:26] *** MauriceK has joined #haiku[07:52:36] *** tigerdog has quit IRC[07:57:52] *** treohelf has joined #haiku[07:57:57] <treohelf> sup[07:58:16] <JonathanThompson> per[07:58:37] <treohelf> just had it :)[07:58:43] <treohelf> how's it going, jt?[07:59:05] <JonathanThompson> Well, got back less than 48 hours from Sunnyvale.[07:59:16] * JonathanThompson thinks he might have had a purple and yellow overload[07:59:17] <treohelf> good thing?[07:59:22] <treohelf> heh[07:59:30] <JonathanThompson> Too sunny and flat there ;)[07:59:37] <treohelf> :P[08:00:02] <JonathanThompson> I was there starting Sunday night, left on an 8 something p.m. flight wednesday for back here.[08:00:36] <treohelf> oh[08:00:46] <JonathanThompson> Tuesday night after unwinding by mental junkfood of watching American Idol, I looked up Lombard ST on wikipedia, learned it was badged as 101 for a bit, and took off without using a map.[08:01:13] *** PieterPan has quit IRC[08:01:16] <treohelf> fun[08:01:17] <JonathanThompson> So, I ended up also getting panhandled in downtown San Francisco around 11 p.m. at a traffic light :P[08:01:28] * treohelf hates american idol[08:01:34] <JonathanThompson> Also got a bad picture of the Golden Gate bridge, after I drove over it.[08:01:39] <treohelf> hrh[08:02:10] <JonathanThompson> And some equally bad pictures of Lombard st (iPhone isn't a great camera in the best of conditions, and moving at night it definitely isn't great)[08:02:25] <JonathanThompson> Good thing they don't get much snow/ice there ;)[08:02:26] *** ales6 has joined #haiku[08:02:45] <JonathanThompson> Though there are actually steeper driveways in this area than Lombard st.[08:03:28] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[08:03:35] <JonathanThompson> After I crossed the bridge, I got off at the second exit into a residential neighborhood of Sausolito, that was nice and hilly with very tight weird corner streets :P[08:04:41] <cps1966> thats a nice place to cop some weed[08:04:52] <umccullough> eh?[08:04:53] <JonathanThompson> SF?[08:04:54] *** Thom_Holwerda has quit IRC[08:05:04] *** treohelf has quit IRC[08:05:10] <cps1966> Sausolito[08:05:17] <JonathanThompson> I strongly suspect the panhandler was on weed, or perhaps too much alcohol...[08:06:39] <cps1966> different smell[08:06:47] <JonathanThompson> Well, if you go north over the bridge to get there, better be sure you've got $5 to get back south on the bridge ;)[08:07:12] <cps1966> when i was there it was free both ways[08:07:23] <JonathanThompson> That's no longer the case.[08:07:31] <cps1966> you guys are getting fucked[08:09:18] <umccullough> is it $5 now?[08:09:25] <JonathanThompson> To go south, yes.[08:13:16] <umccullough> anyone here use BeOS R5 in VMWare?[08:13:35] <JonathanThompson> I've used it in VPC 2004 ok, but haven't tried VMWare.[08:15:28] <umccullough> i haven't figured out why it's running so poorly and the mouse doesn't work right[08:16:01] <cps1966> wonder if i can install R5 pe with wine in linux[08:16:12] <umccullough> with wine/[08:16:13] <umccullough> ?[08:16:22] <umccullough> there's a linux version of PE...[08:16:22] * JonathanThompson is confused[08:16:23] <cps1966> yeah[08:16:34] <umccullough> i mean...you'd be hurting yourself for no reason[08:16:43] <cps1966> yeah but my box has shit loads of memory[08:16:45] <JonathanThompson> And I can't see how it'd work.[08:16:58] <umccullough> but..why?[08:17:13] <JonathanThompson> Clearly must have too much time on his hands, umccullough ;)[08:17:16] <cps1966> just for trying it[08:17:23] <JonathanThompson> And a glutton for punishment ;)[08:17:46] <umccullough> considering the PE version for Windows does little other than to dump an image file on the desktop that you must boot up to a floppy image to run...good luck[08:17:52] <umccullough> er on the disk[08:17:59] * JonathanThompson wonders if VPC 2004 runs under WINE in linux that could be run under VMWare in Windows that's run under Parallels on OS X that...[08:18:02] <cps1966> yeah but i have new hardware that wont work with r5[08:18:12] <umccullough> and PE will fail as well[08:18:19] <umccullough> PE *is* R5[08:18:41] <cps1966> even zeta faills now that i got 4 sata drives[08:18:46] <umccullough> cps1966, i think you're not understanding how PE works - it requires a reboot of the machine to launch it - it doesn't run in a vm or anything[08:19:33] <cps1966> yeah but it makes partition in c drive which is in my home dir[08:19:43] <umccullough> um... not exactly[08:19:50] <cps1966> yeah[08:20:14] <umccullough> when PE boots, it looks for a FAT or NTFS (or Ext2/3 if you're using the linux version) to find it's "partition" image on the host disk[08:20:25] <umccullough> it will require drivers to access the disk in teh first place[08:20:41] <umccullough> geist can explain it better[08:21:03] <cps1966> well i do have linux on a pata drive[08:21:27] <umccullough> basically, if R5 can't boot on your machine, PE will fail too[08:21:30] <cps1966> just not the boot drive[08:21:54] <umccullough> and no need to use Wine[08:21:54] <ddew|bofh> PE is R5 booting off an imagine on a FAT32 harddrive[08:21:58] <ddew|bofh> *image[08:22:12] <umccullough> or NTFS, or ext2/3[08:22:22] <umccullough> or Fat16 ;)[08:22:29] <ddew|bofh> you get the idea :)[08:22:32] <umccullough> basically any of the supported filesystems from R5[08:22:35] <cps1966> so i have 120 GB to waste on it[08:22:47] <JonathanThompson> Actually, I don't recall it working off NTFS...[08:22:56] <cps1966> oh wait its reiserfs[08:22:57] <umccullough> so resize the partition and create a spare partition to install R5 to[08:23:13] <umccullough> jonathanbthompso, it does[08:23:16] <umccullough> just requires a boot disk[08:23:24] <cps1966> oh which one i have 7 phyical drives[08:23:28] <JonathanThompson> Well, there goes all the fun :P[08:23:45] <umccullough> cps1966, one that R5 can boot to of course[08:24:00] <cps1966> duh i know how to install R5[08:24:05] * JonathanThompson imagines cps1966 has a noisy machine[08:24:16] * umccullough doesn't understand why this conversation is occurring[08:24:34] <umccullough> anyhow, i got stuff to do, ttyl[08:24:35] <cps1966> not really segates are pretty quiet[08:24:36] * JonathanThompson notes it's late Friday night/early Saturday morning in the US[08:24:47] <ddew|bofh> the machine won't boot R5 but somehow PE will work on it?[08:24:51] <JonathanThompson> 10K RPM Seagates aren't :P[08:25:09] <cps1966> mine are 7200[08:25:45] <cps1966> i cant hear that high pitch[08:25:59] *** bombuzal has quit IRC[08:26:33] <cps1966> i have 6 10.000 rpm scsi's that arent hooked up ATM[08:26:52] *** AlienSoldier has quit IRC[08:27:49] <ddew|bofh> scsi ftw[08:28:56] <cps1966> wonder if i shut down sata drives i can get zeta to boot again[08:29:55] <ddew|bofh> worth a shot, zeta was very troublesome with AHCI on this machine[08:29:56] <cps1966> then i need driver for epro1000[08:30:10] <JonathanThompson> I suppose I'm cursed with being able to hear too well.[08:30:17] <cps1966> and sblive 5.1[08:30:22] <JonathanThompson> 10K RPM isn't that high of a pitch, really.[08:30:31] <cps1966> sure is[08:30:37] <JonathanThompson> (Though I suspect there are a few harmonics)[08:30:57] <JonathanThompson> That's only a 166 revolutions per second sound.[08:31:17] <JonathanThompson> Of course, I've tested and verified my hearing is outside of the normal hearing range anyway.[08:31:43] <ddew|bofh> it's rather the vibrations of platters than the spinning itself that causes the sound[08:31:55] <cps1966> yeah but its enough to break sound barrier almost[08:32:11] <ddew|bofh> technically you could do a 150K rpm drive which is completely silent[08:32:45] * JonathanThompson suspects that wouldn't work out nearly as well in practice as theory would suggest[08:33:04] <ddew|bofh> it never does, but that's irrelevant[08:33:05] <cps1966> you would need air bearings[08:33:32] <cps1966> and something that wouldn't explode at that speed[08:33:45] <ddew|bofh> i'm thinking more along the lines of properly sound-proofing the drive[08:33:49] <JonathanThompson> I fail to see how it'd be irrelevant, since theoretical drives remain purely theoretical once manufacturing and real life comes into play :P[08:34:11] <ddew|bofh> just because we can't figure it out _now_ doesn't mean someone won't[08:34:12] <JonathanThompson> Well, that'd be a lot more expensive for many reasons, above and beyond the sound-proofing of the drive.[08:34:17] <ddew|bofh> so, never say never ;)[08:34:37] <cps1966> sdhd is best way togo[08:34:40] <ddew|bofh> price was never mentioned as a factor[08:35:13] * JonathanThompson realizes he'd not want ddew|bofh on his engineering team for anything...[08:35:34] <cps1966> for 600 bucks you can get a 64 GB solid state drive[08:35:44] <ddew|bofh> it's not my fault you gave an incomplete order :P[08:36:08] * JonathanThompson suspects ddew|bofh would make a typical genie[08:36:12] <ddew|bofh> oh, you meant ssd. i got confused when you said sdhd :)[08:36:33] <JonathanThompson> Makes me think of Fox Mulder wishing for peace on earth...[08:36:45] <JonathanThompson> He walks outside, and discovers he's the only human alive :P[08:37:00] <cps1966> i just watched bill maher[08:37:11] <cps1966> it was insane[08:38:08] * JonathanThompson considers making a t-shirt that has a spoof logo that looks strikingly familiar to a certain CPU maker that instead reads "Autist Inside"[08:39:05] <ddew|bofh> an "Atheist Inside" t-shirt would sell like crazy, not sure about autism though[08:39:55] <cps1966> some kinds are good[08:39:56] * JonathanThompson considers that an atheist would only pray there is no God[08:40:21] <ddew|bofh> an atheist does not pray :)[08:40:43] <cps1966> he would look to devil[08:41:01] <ddew|bofh> eh?[08:41:22] <ddew|bofh> if he thinks that god does not exist, why would he think that the devil exists?[08:41:39] <cps1966> devil dont like you praying to him[08:42:05] <ddew|bofh> personally i don't pray to anything or anyone[08:42:19] <cps1966> i do to myself[08:42:56] <ddew|bofh> i'm sure you do :)[08:46:26] * umccullough does something to himself also[08:46:45] *** slaad has quit IRC[08:47:06] <umccullough> ok, i'm gonna try VMWare player and if that's better since vmware server has a funky console protocol[08:47:14] <umccullough> *see[08:47:52] * umccullough goes to reboot[08:47:56] *** umccullough has quit IRC[08:50:35] *** slaad has joined #haiku[08:50:51] * JonathanThompson slaps slaad some skin[08:51:02] <slaad> re.[08:52:43] <JonathanThompson> I'm sure you don't want to really know where the skin came from :P[08:53:44] *** umccullough has joined #haiku[08:54:11] <slaad> Why, the skin shop, of course![08:54:52] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[08:57:04] <JonathanThompson> I'm guessing everything bought there is very superficial :P[08:57:23] <slaad> :P[09:01:44] *** helf has quit IRC[09:02:07] <JonathanThompson> Well, I'm guessing if I ever feel a real need to get my car repainted, and I'm not too averse to driving one that's mostly purple, I could get it done through work, for free (though it might require a lengthy driving trip there/back)...[09:03:28] <umccullough> what, a vehicular billboard?[09:03:29] <ddew|bofh> this is driving me nuts, learning to code for BeOS on linux is a royal PITA[09:03:36] <umccullough> heh[09:03:53] <JonathanThompson> And that's surprising that you can't do it readily, ddew|bofh? :)[09:03:59] <JonathanThompson> Something like that, umccullough :)[09:04:03] <ddew|bofh> what's the preffered BeOS dev-system for Haiku, Zeta (in that case which version) or Dano?[09:04:06] <JonathanThompson> Actually, that's what it'd be in practice...[09:04:24] <umccullough> ddew|bofh, R5[09:04:28] <JonathanThompson> Depends on what level of compatibility you're searching for.[09:04:39] <ddew|bofh> umccullough: cheers[09:04:49] <umccullough> R5+BONE is essentially what Haiku is compatible with[09:05:12] <ddew|bofh> sounds like a good place to start then[09:05:33] <umccullough> as for preferred system to work on Haiku code in...i'm guessing many use Linux now[09:05:39] *** bachmann has joined #haiku[09:05:53] <JonathanThompson> Hmmmm.... I need to get out of IRC and change that ;)[09:06:19] <ddew|bofh> i'm planning to make the networkpreferences app to behave more like the Boneyard or R5 version[09:06:43] <umccullough> ddew|bofh, there's a couple mockups of what it was maybe gonna look like[09:07:00] <umccullough> done by waldemar[09:07:53] * JonathanThompson should get to sleep soon[09:08:05] <umccullough> http://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/Networks%20Preferences[09:08:24] <JonathanThompson> After all, I'm scheduled to do a 10+ mile run within the next 12 hours (preferably) in preparation for March 9th...[09:08:51] <ddew|bofh> nice, that looks like a good starting point[09:09:49] <umccullough> oh jeez - BeOS runs WAY better in vmware player[09:10:08] <umccullough> i've alway suspected that VMWare server wasn't as nice for running UI-responsive OSes ;)[09:10:13] <umccullough> always[09:10:15] <ddew|bofh> hehe[09:17:37] <ddew|bofh> ok, this is weird. My R5 Pro cd booted fine with 1GB ram in the box[09:17:57] <bachmann> it should[09:18:17] <bachmann> 1GB should be fine for R5[09:18:24] <ddew|bofh> it should? what's with all the RAM limiting patches then?[09:18:24] *** bachmann is now known as andrewbachmann[09:18:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o andrewbachmann[09:18:32] <umccullough> ddew|bofh, yeah that will work[09:18:33] <andrewbachmann> if you have above 1GB[09:18:49] <andrewbachmann> or if you are running one of those other variants that are limited to 768MB[09:18:49] <umccullough> ddew|bofh, it's especially not a problem if your vid card uses shared memory[09:19:15] <umccullough> now, if your vid card has an additional 256mb RAM, it could fail[09:19:23] <ddew|bofh> heh, and here i kept thinking i had to use zeta to access my 1gb ram[09:19:33] <ddew|bofh> it's 128MB[09:19:52] * JonathanThompson slaps ddew|bofh sillier than he normally is, just for good measure (and wonders how much that really quantifies as)[09:20:09] <ddew|bofh> you learn something new every day, eh? :)[09:20:12] <umccullough> i installed R5.0.3 Pro on a machine with 1gb RAM too :) - but it uses intel integrated video[09:34:12] *** _Webmaster_ has quit IRC[09:34:55] <ddew|bofh> heh, this is by far the weirdest error any os has caused to any of my machines[09:34:56] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[09:35:30] <ddew|bofh> when it shuts down it sets my "CPU Warning" limit in bios to 0 degrees[09:37:04] *** Kokito has quit IRC[09:37:53] <umccullough> fun[09:39:32] <ddew|bofh> indeed[09:40:26] *** AlexForster has quit IRC[09:44:16] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[09:44:37] *** Sukoshi has joined #haiku[09:49:52] <umccullough> bah, i thought 7zip was smart enough to use multiple threads[09:51:56] <umccullough> oh, apparently you have to tell it how many to use[09:53:25] <umccullough> i see.... it only uses multiple threads when doing 7z files - but not .zip[09:53:40] <umccullough> dump[09:53:42] <umccullough> dumb[09:55:57] *** MauriceK has quit IRC[09:58:26] *** Androidz has joined #haiku[09:58:38] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[10:01:26] *** bSON has joined #haiku[10:07:18] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[10:08:16] <Begasus> morning peeps[10:08:27] <umccullough> morning :)[10:08:32] * umccullough needs to go to sleep[10:08:44] <Begasus> ;)[10:09:11] * ddew|bofh needs to motivate himself[10:09:30] * JonathanThompson kicks ddew|bofh hard in the nuts[10:09:45] <JonathanThompson> That's above your neck, seeing how messed-up you are ;)[10:09:51] <ddew|bofh> not helping[10:10:03] <umccullough> damn...that's harsh[10:10:24] <umccullough> anyhow, going to bed - later[10:10:26] <JonathanThompson> Hey, he's the one that assessed himself that way, and his language wasn't as nice :P[10:10:32] <umccullough> heh[10:10:33] <Begasus> g'night umccullough[10:10:39] <JonathanThompson> Bye umccullough[10:10:42] <umccullough> 'night-ish[10:10:50] <ddew|bofh> nn[10:12:49] <salierix> Niels is really getting into this alpha thing it seems.[10:13:44] * JonathanThompson notes with amusement that an alpha-male is not feature-complete[10:14:05] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps that's a sign I should be sleeping when I have such logical thoughts :)[10:14:45] <ddew|bofh> i can't wait for haiku to become self-hosting and feature-complete[10:15:14] <ddew|bofh> well, feature-complete isn't extremely important. but it'd be nice to have the basics running[10:15:19] <JonathanThompson> A Sentient-Santa is elf-aware :P[10:15:40] <salierix> Haiku is self-hosting.[10:15:41] <salierix> sorta.[10:17:51] <ddew|bofh> sorta, maybe ;)[10:18:05] * JonathanThompson should go to sleep before inflicting more puns on the world at large in a small environment[10:18:16] * slaad fires JonathanThompson.[10:18:16] <ddew|bofh> if you disregard that it eats up all your memory when doing f[10:18:18] <ddew|bofh> oops[10:18:22] <ddew|bofh> file-operations[10:18:39] <JonathanThompson> What's the reason you're firing me, slaad? :)[10:18:59] <slaad> The horrible puns.[10:19:06] <slaad> Also, you've been late to work three days in a row.[10:19:21] <JonathanThompson> What's your reason for thinking that?[10:19:32] <salierix> Why does it use so much memory?[10:19:37] <slaad> I don't know. Have you been?[10:19:42] * JonathanThompson can't remember why it uses so much memory[10:19:52] <JonathanThompson> I guess I had a buffer overflow :P[10:21:20] <JonathanThompson> And then there's the exterminator that couldn't kill fast enough: he had a bugger overflow :P[10:21:34] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[10:21:51] * JonathanThompson lobs a greeting in swahili at Al2O3[10:22:19] <Al2O3> hello JonathanThompson[10:22:21] <Al2O3> got a job interview for me at microshaft?[10:22:24] <Al2O3> :)[10:22:25] <Al2O3> how goes the new work?[10:22:28] <Al2O3> and why the heck are you up this late.[10:22:35] <JonathanThompson> Or is it I'm up this early? :D[10:22:52] <JonathanThompson> I attended orientation in Sunnyvale this week.[10:23:16] <JonathanThompson> I was scaring the new developers in the group, as I was pointing out all the mistakes in the orientation materials :D[10:23:35] <JonathanThompson> (Especially keeping in mind I mentioned I was hired into the QA department)[10:24:02] <Al2O3> keep your mouth shut for 3 months, listen and then like JFK go after the losers.[10:24:04] <JonathanThompson> I take it then, you don't have a gig (or even a tera) lined up for your next job?[10:24:06] <Al2O3> are you at M$?[10:24:13] <JonathanThompson> No, Yahoo! in Bellevue.[10:24:18] <Al2O3> ah.[10:24:21] <JonathanThompson> (Though it may soon be bought out...)[10:24:24] <Al2O3> I have been doing contract work[10:24:35] <Al2O3> but I'm loking for perm[10:24:38] <JonathanThompson> How much longer does what you're working on continue?[10:24:48] <Al2O3> I had 3 companies contact me yesterday without even sending a resume to htem, word is out again.[10:25:05] <JonathanThompson> Any in this area?[10:25:12] <Al2O3> I have an open ended agreement for as long as I like, I renew every 30 days if I want.[10:25:17] <Al2O3> yes.[10:25:26] <JonathanThompson> Expedia.com one of them? :D[10:25:33] <Al2O3> actually, now.[10:25:34] <Al2O3> no[10:25:45] <Al2O3> all big names though.[10:25:59] * JonathanThompson imagines all their emails are SHOUTING at him[10:26:06] <Al2O3> M$,G,Y,Getty,Boeing, etc.[10:26:11] <Al2O3> also looking overseas.[10:26:26] <Al2O3> possibly doing some knowledge transfer training and mentoring[10:26:30] * JonathanThompson read that as "Over C's" and needs to get his mind out of the compiler[10:26:32] <Al2O3> going back offshore again.[10:26:47] <Al2O3> good luck on your orientalations[10:26:54] <Al2O3> hope they have nice kimonos[10:27:00] <JonathanThompson> Oh, don't worry, I'm sufficiently disoriented now :D[10:27:09] <Al2O3> Yahoo![10:27:21] <Al2O3> back to work for me.[10:27:23] <Al2O3> ttyl[10:27:32] <JonathanThompson> I've had an incredible amount of bright purple/yellow decor to look at recently.[10:27:35] <JonathanThompson> Bye.[10:28:07] *** salierix has quit IRC[10:53:36] *** andre_radio is now known as andre[10:54:24] *** andre is now known as andrevs[10:59:26] *** Sukoshi has quit IRC[11:16:55] *** andrewbachmann has left #haiku[11:20:58] <ddew|bofh> YAY!!![11:21:05] <ddew|bofh> now i'm a happy mood again :D[11:21:54] *** salierix has joined #haiku[11:22:53] <ddew|bofh> got my results back from a test i did a while back, the results were better than i hoped :)[11:25:17] *** El-Al has joined #haiku[11:26:28] <slaad> Woot.[11:26:29] <slaad> What test?[11:26:45] <ddew|bofh> an IQ-test[11:26:46] <slaad> Hopes it wasn't for infectious diseases. "Woo! I got more than I thought!"[11:27:15] <salierix> Well it seems my patch got rejected because the devs can't agree on a coding standard for header files...[11:27:17] <slaad> Ah, congrats?[11:27:21] <ddew|bofh> i did one "general" test last spring and scored well and now my accurate test-scores are back[11:27:46] <ddew|bofh> i'm pretty pleased with my results :)[11:41:08] *** ales6 has quit IRC[11:43:32] <salierix> Now I have nothing to do :\[11:43:51] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[11:45:23] <bSON> salierix: you could take a look at the bugs targeted for alpha 1[11:48:22] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[11:58:07] *** salierix has quit IRC[12:02:02] *** WelcomeToKDL has joined #haiku[12:02:07] <WelcomeToKDL> Good morning![12:03:15] <ddew|bofh> hiya[12:04:08] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[12:04:35] <Begasus> 'lo[12:06:33] <WelcomeToKDL> I have 512 mb ram, and the Haiku was eat 498.... And only the About app was running. An memory leak somewhere?[12:07:19] <ddew|bofh> there are many memleaks :)[12:07:29] <ddew|bofh> have you been doing a lot of file-operations?[12:07:39] <ddew|bofh> like copying files etc[12:08:20] <WelcomeToKDL> 1 copyed an 700 mb movie...[12:08:32] <WelcomeToKDL> and i ue the mediaplayer..[12:08:41] <WelcomeToKDL> i try an old vlc[12:08:46] <ddew|bofh> that's probably it then[12:08:49] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[12:08:55] <WelcomeToKDL> and i run lot of basic haiku program.[12:09:09] <ddew|bofh> have you hit kdl yet?[12:09:28] <WelcomeToKDL> No.[12:09:37] <ddew|bofh> try running apps etc until you've used up all memory and see if some comes back[12:09:58] <WelcomeToKDL> But if i enable my integrated lan, i always can see.[12:10:30] <WelcomeToKDL> I made a bugriport about it.[12:10:39] <ddew|bofh> good :)[12:11:13] <WelcomeToKDL> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/1860[12:14:08] <WelcomeToKDL> Ah my webcam working yet. Now You can see my Haiku T-shirt : http://e4-317.extra.hu/ :)[12:15:03] <WelcomeToKDL> This is so good![12:15:12] <ddew|bofh> hehe[12:15:44] <ddew|bofh> well, time to go grab some pizza. see y'all later[12:15:51] <WelcomeToKDL> And sexy :)[12:22:45] *** MauriceK has joined #haiku[12:36:16] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[12:40:21] *** bSON has quit IRC[12:42:11] *** stippi has joined #haiku[12:42:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stippi[12:42:36] *** Begasus is now known as Begasus_bbl[12:43:25] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[12:43:36] *** bSON has joined #haiku[12:47:12] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[12:48:38] *** databridge has joined #haiku[12:48:52] <WelcomeToKDL> The DriveSetup is looking good.[12:49:05] <databridge> does beos run on an acer travelmate 290 series laptop[12:50:28] <MauriceK> databridge: beos does and haiku with a gcc2 build[12:50:32] * MauriceK has a travelmate 291[12:51:06] <databridge> travelmate are the last good acer notebooks[12:51:30] <databridge> since 2003/2004 acer produce cheap crap[12:56:36] <CIA-47> axeld * r24187 /haiku/trunk/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs):[12:56:36] <CIA-47> * Added a more generic subtype for the source code files for automatic[12:56:36] <CIA-47> MIME type guessing.[12:56:36] <CIA-47> * Now, if the specific MIME type exists, it will be chosen, if it doesn't,[12:56:36] <CIA-47> the generic MIME type is chosen. If that does not exist either, the most[12:56:37] <CIA-47> generic is chosen (a.k.a. "text/plain").[12:57:18] <MauriceK> databridge: I agree, I still like to use that one when I am not at home...[12:58:56] <databridge> a good laptop still costs ~€1400 these days[12:59:34] <databridge> the cheaper ones will work too, but you see everything is cheap thin plastics, no stability[12:59:58] <databridge> if you look on the mainboard, you also see there are the cheapest elements[13:00:17] <databridge> low cost pieces[13:01:05] <databridge> acer, fujitsu siemens, medion all use the same components[13:01:22] <databridge> in a different box[13:03:55] <databridge> does anyone know if freebsd also support nvidia/ati cards?[13:07:45] <slaad> I imagine it does.[13:09:04] <databridge> i don`t know which os i will install on my book[13:11:02] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[13:11:11] *** dchis has joined #haiku[13:15:18] *** mmadia has quit IRC[13:16:02] <databridge> have you ever farted at school?[13:16:41] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[13:16:54] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[13:17:54] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[13:18:08] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[13:18:28] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[13:23:50] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[13:24:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[13:27:34] *** kr1stof_ has joined #haiku[13:29:57] *** vbmithr has joined #haiku[13:36:05] <CIA-47> axeld * r24188 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/registrar/names.h: Added support for recognizing Jamfiles.[13:40:57] *** kr1stof_ has quit IRC[13:42:56] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[13:48:37] *** ales6 has joined #haiku[13:52:04] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[13:52:19] *** meisje has joined #haiku[13:52:49] *** meisje has quit IRC[13:55:03] *** erim- has joined #haiku[14:06:27] *** slaad has quit IRC[14:09:45] *** erim has quit IRC[14:09:45] *** erim- is now known as erim[14:11:30] <WelcomeToKDL> I fixed the my webcam's page. And i used the default Haiku bg color :)[14:11:45] <WelcomeToKDL> I hope this is not illegal.. :)[14:17:22] *** BGA has joined #haiku[14:17:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[14:17:33] <BGA> Hey.[14:18:17] <BGA> [10:17] [BGA VERSION response]: Vision-0.9.7-H-26012008 : Haiku/r24186 (4x3005MHz) : http://vision.sourceforge.net[14:20:21] *** Euver has joined #haiku[14:20:55] *** WelcomeToKDL is now known as miqlas[14:22:02] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[14:22:29] <dr_evil> hi BGA[14:22:48] <BGA> dr_evil: Hey, good to see you![14:22:48] <dr_evil> BGA did you try the ata stack?[14:23:03] <BGA> dr_evil: I had some problems with JMicron SATA.[14:23:09] <BGA> dr_evil: Yep, using it. :)[14:23:24] <BGA> dr_evil: So, here is what happened:[14:24:17] <BGA> Configuration: Mode IDE / Advanced -> Intterupt problems. IRQ disabled. Boot hang.[14:24:19] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[14:24:42] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[14:24:42] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[14:24:47] <dr_evil> re[14:24:48] <BGA> Configuration: Mode IDE / Compatible -> No boot device found[14:25:02] <BGA> Configuration: AHCI -> Here I am. ?)[14:25:03] <dr_evil> my notebook just ran out of battery[14:25:06] <BGA> :)[14:25:25] <BGA> dr_evil: So, AHCI works but if I change the controler to IDE mode, it does not.[14:26:06] <BGA> In advanced mode, it has interrupt problems and the IRQ is disabled and the boot hangs. In compatible mode, it can't find the boot volume.[14:26:17] <BGA> dr_evil: Ideas?[14:26:32] <dr_evil> both with ata stack, or with ide?[14:27:04] <BGA> dr_evil: Wait, I am using whatever Haiku uses by default.[14:27:11] <dr_evil> I see[14:27:16] <dr_evil> thats the ide stack[14:27:31] <BGA> What should I do to change to the ata one?[14:27:35] <dr_evil> I wrote you an email suggesting to switch to the ata stack[14:27:44] <dr_evil> in the bus_managers Jamfile[14:27:47] <BGA> Sorry. Didn' t read it yet.[14:27:50] <dr_evil> there is a subinclude for "ide"[14:27:53] <BGA> Will do that.[14:27:55] <dr_evil> change that to "ata"[14:28:13] <BGA> Will do. Is there any reason for this not to be the default?[14:28:27] <dr_evil> it would be great if you could test ata with all three configuration options[14:28:32] <dr_evil> yes, I didn't finish it[14:28:46] <dr_evil> it doesn't support DMA mode and ATAPI devices[14:29:09] <BGA> Ok. will do it in a few. Let me just read the emails and then I will reboot to Linux to recompile.[14:29:24] *** bombuzal has joined #haiku[14:29:39] <dr_evil> great[14:29:42] <BGA> Funny enough, the only thing Haiku didn t recognize in this machine is the 2 ATI HD3870 video cards. ?)[14:29:46] <BGA> :)[14:30:25] <BGA> Oh. And About box also thinks my Core 2 Quad Extreme is a Pentium III :)[14:30:29] <dr_evil> if possible, please make a bugreport and attach syslogs of all boot variants (even if they work)[14:30:41] <BGA> dr_evil: Will do.[14:30:47] <dr_evil> I overclocked my 2.4 GHz core2quad to 3 Ghz[14:31:26] <BGA> dr_evil: I got mine up to 4 GHz (3 is the default), but the CPU was starting to get really hot so I just reverted and decided to only overclock when I really need the speed.[14:32:45] <dr_evil> I changed the FSB to the next "normal" setting that results in 3GHz, so it's pretty save, didn't try anything further[14:33:07] <dr_evil> 333 instead of 266 I think[14:33:23] <BGA> Yep. Mine is at 333.[14:33:32] <BGA> I changed the CPU multiplier to overclock.[14:33:46] <BGA> Had also to increase the CPU core voltage for stability.[14:34:19] *** SprMa has quit IRC[14:34:26] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[14:39:36] *** wildur has quit IRC[14:40:41] *** siarzhuk has joined #haiku[14:41:17] *** BGA has quit IRC[14:47:16] *** dchis has quit IRC[14:48:36] *** Begasus_bbl is now known as Begasus[14:48:52] <Begasus> re[14:50:00] *** oco has joined #haiku[14:56:55] *** vbmithr has quit IRC[14:58:00] *** ales6 has quit IRC[15:05:40] *** Begasus has quit IRC[15:08:21] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[15:11:52] *** oco has quit IRC[15:17:44] *** SprMa has joined #haiku[15:34:24] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[15:34:43] *** lorglas has quit IRC[15:36:23] *** fireglow has quit IRC[15:42:33] *** TuneTracker has joined #Haiku[15:43:23] *** dchis has joined #haiku[15:43:51] *** oco has joined #haiku[15:50:20] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[15:56:58] <TuneTracker> hey Kokito![16:00:28] <Kokito> hello TuneTracker[16:01:31] *** mats| has quit IRC[16:04:41] <Begasus> 'lo Kokito[16:10:21] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[16:10:41] *** Euver has quit IRC[16:13:28] *** oco has quit IRC[16:14:27] <Kokito> hi Begasus[16:14:50] *** FreeFull has quit IRC[16:17:29] *** FreeFull has joined #haiku[16:32:35] *** TheNerd has quit IRC[16:44:48] *** FreeFull has quit IRC[16:55:12] *** FreeFull has joined #haiku[16:58:25] * JonathanThompson meows[17:01:32] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[17:01:33] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[17:03:51] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[17:07:29] *** FreeFull has quit IRC[17:12:53] * Hodapp pets JonathanThompson[17:14:03] * TuneTracker has associated SoundPlay playlist files with Pe, so he can double-click to edit them in Pe. But none of them have icons now. How do I get the Pe icon to show up on the files?[17:14:37] <mmu_man> run FileTypes to change it[17:14:53] <TuneTracker> mmu_man I did...but must be doing it wrong.[17:15:00] *** tigerdog has joined #haiku[17:15:19] <mmadia> tigerdog ![17:15:28] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps you need to curse the system in hex :P[17:15:35] * tigerdog wags tail at mmadia[17:15:43] <TuneTracker> JonathanThompson or hex the system with curses :-)[17:15:57] <mmadia> good timing , what video card are you using ?[17:16:07] *** FreeFull has joined #haiku[17:16:20] <JonathanThompson> Or just practice safe hex and make sure bad bits don't go into your ports ;)[17:16:30] <TuneTracker> waagh[17:16:45] <TuneTracker> or use a hex wrench on it[17:17:17] * JonathanThompson wonders if someone would use a hex wrench an an ex wench that's mechanical[17:17:36] <JonathanThompson> On*[17:23:23] <TuneTracker> mmu_man Screen grab coming... on left is the main filetype screen for text/x-playlist and on the right it shows a list of files, and a filetypes window showing what I get when I open one of the files in the filetypes window[17:24:19] <mmu_man> there seem to be an text/x-soundplay-playlist too...[17:24:33] <mmu_man> tried restarting Tracker ?[17:24:37] <TuneTracker> There is, but that's not the filetype assigned to the files on the right[17:24:38] <mmu_man> sometimes it goes nuts with icons[17:24:49] <TuneTracker> mmu_man this has been like this through several reboots[17:24:52] <mmu_man> ah[17:25:02] <mmu_man> maybe they have a blank icon attached someway[17:25:04] *** Kokito has quit IRC[17:25:10] <mmu_man> try an listattr on one of those[17:25:14] <TuneTracker> sec[17:25:39] <TuneTracker> $ listattr /boot/Station/Logs/Program\ Logs/Friday[17:25:40] <TuneTracker> file /boot/Station/Logs/Program Logs/Friday[17:25:41] <TuneTracker> Type Size Name[17:25:41] <TuneTracker> ---------- --------- -------------------------------[17:25:42] <TuneTracker> Int-32 4 be:encoding[17:25:42] <TuneTracker> Int-32 4 alignment[17:25:43] <TuneTracker> Bool 1 wrap[17:25:44] <TuneTracker> 0x52415754 160 styles[17:25:46] <TuneTracker> MIME str 16 BEOS:TYPE[17:25:48] <TuneTracker> 0x696e666f 400 pe-info[17:26:20] <mmu_man> looks ok[17:26:32] <TuneTracker> why blank, I wonder... strange[17:26:40] <TuneTracker> I've always thought BeOS icons were challenging[17:26:43] <TuneTracker> funky[17:26:45] <TuneTracker> flukey[17:26:50] <TuneTracker> flakey[17:27:05] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps flukey is actually accurate, too :P[17:27:06] <mmu_man> ok try:[17:27:06] * TuneTracker waits for JonathanThompson's comment :-)[17:27:12] <TuneTracker> yep[17:27:18] <mmu_man> addattr BEOS:MIME text/plain boot/Station/Logs/Program\ Logs/Friday[17:27:24] <mmu_man> and see if there is an icon[17:27:27] <mmu_man> then back[17:27:38] <mmu_man> addattr BEOS:MIME text/x-playlist boot/Station/Logs/Program\ Logs/Friday[17:27:38] <TuneTracker> mmu_man ok[17:28:36] * JonathanThompson imagines a cheating bull singing the song, "Tempted by the Fruit of an Udder"[17:29:20] <johndrinkwater> can anyone tell me if this url works in firefox in BeOS? moz-icon://.txt?size=32 or moz-icon://goat?size=32&contentType=text/plain (Should draw BeOS’ mime icon )[17:29:43] <TuneTracker> mmu_man first one, icon didn't change[17:29:45] <TuneTracker> second one...[17:30:03] <TuneTracker> icon didn't change[17:30:17] <Begasus> try'd killing/restarting Tracker?[17:30:29] <TuneTracker> Begasus this issue has survived reboots[17:31:49] * JonathanThompson reboots TuneTracker just in case it's a user issue[17:31:53] <TuneTracker> hehe[17:32:16] <TuneTracker> JonathanThompson More often than not, that's what needs rebooting.[17:32:27] <JonathanThompson> Yes, I'm aware of that ;)[17:32:39] <TuneTracker> You're not supposed to *agree* with that!![17:32:53] <JonathanThompson> I've provided support for far too many people NOT to agree :P[17:33:12] <mmu_man> TuneTracker oops sorry it's BEOS:TYPE, why did I put MIME here ?[17:33:13] *** MauriceK has quit IRC[17:33:18] * mmu_man not woken up yet[17:33:30] <TuneTracker> k sec[17:33:44] * JonathanThompson throws a bucket of cold water buffalo over mmu_man to wake him up[17:33:52] *** MauriceK has joined #haiku[17:34:01] *** Thom_Holwerda has joined #haiku[17:34:34] *** oco has joined #haiku[17:34:35] <TuneTracker> mmu_man The text/plain one did change the icon that time. The text/x-playlist one changed it back to a blank[17:34:56] <mmu_man> hmm it should even be addattr -t mime .. anyway[17:34:58] <mmu_man> hmm[17:36:10] <mmu_man> setmime -dumpIcon text/x-playlist[17:36:45] <mmu_man> hey ...[17:36:45] <TuneTracker> mmu_man BeShare[17:36:48] <TuneTracker> neonplasma[17:36:55] <mmu_man> did you change the icon for the correct one[17:37:04] <mmu_man> in FileTypes I see a "PlaylistFile"[17:37:19] <mmu_man> 3 up from the Soundplay Playlist File one[17:37:20] <TuneTracker> I thought I did...[17:37:30] <TuneTracker> looking[17:37:41] *** MauriceK has quit IRC[17:38:02] <TuneTracker> mmu_man That's an xvnd something or other for media player[17:38:12] <TuneTracker> Not the SoundPlay playlist file type[17:38:12] <mmu_man> if you double click the name it should popup the internal name[17:38:22] <mmu_man> ah, and Soundplay is the one ?[17:38:25] <TuneTracker> "Playlist file"[17:38:28] <TuneTracker> Yes[17:38:34] <TuneTracker> SoundPlay is text/x-playlist[17:38:59] <TuneTracker> And you can see that I do have the Pe icon associated with it[17:39:16] <TuneTracker> But the individual files don't seem to have it[17:39:39] <TuneTracker> did you want to see that dumpicon data (over at BeShare) ?[17:40:10] <mmu_man> hmm it definitely have the icon... at least the big one[17:40:17] <mmu_man> make sure you also set the 8x8 one![17:40:24] <mmu_man> as it seems white :p[17:40:31] <TuneTracker> How do I check that?[17:40:43] <mmu_man> double click the icon on File Types[17:40:48] <TuneTracker> sec[17:40:57] <mmu_man> it opens Icon-O-Matic[17:41:16] <mmu_man> open Pe with File Types and you can have the small one too[17:41:31] <TuneTracker> Actually it looked like the little ones were missing. I dragged to activate them[17:41:35] <mmu_man> I'm sure if you use Alt-I on a file you'll see the (big) icon was there... :p[17:42:06] <TuneTracker> Yes, the big icons are there, when I look at it like that.[17:42:17] <mmu_man> see :p[17:42:32] <TuneTracker> Trying to get the small icons to "save" in the Icon-O-Matic[17:42:45] <TuneTracker> Save is ghosted[17:43:22] <TuneTracker> dang[17:43:24] <TuneTracker> Can't save it[17:43:46] <mmu_man> select something else[17:43:47] <TuneTracker> It's acting like it has nothing new to save, but I did change it...I dragged the large icon to the small ones so they are no longer blank[17:44:26] <mmu_man> can't you take the small one ? I don't think it accepts bigger there[17:44:44] <TuneTracker> what do you mean by "take?"[17:45:01] <mmu_man> if you open Pe with File Types and double click the icon you get both[17:45:08] <mmu_man> use the select tool on the small one[17:45:11] <mmu_man> copy[17:45:16] <mmu_man> and paste in the othe window[17:45:25] <TuneTracker> oic sec[17:46:20] *** FreeFull has quit IRC[17:48:10] <mmu_man> so ?[17:48:13] <TuneTracker> mmu_man Did it...saved it...and when I re-open it in Icon-O-Matic, it is there...[17:48:19] <TuneTracker> No change in folder yet though[17:48:26] <mmu_man> hmm close and reopen ?[17:48:57] <TuneTracker> no change[17:49:00] <TuneTracker> restarting Tracker[17:49:02] <mmu_man> gahh[17:49:32] <TuneTracker> Still blank[17:49:33] <TuneTracker> geez[17:50:24] <TuneTracker> mmu_man repasting dump info in BeShare[17:50:45] <mmu_man> yes it's there[17:50:52] <mmu_man> hmm[17:50:57] <mmu_man> touch Foo[17:51:12] <mmu_man> addattr -t mime BEOS:TYPE text/x-playlist Foo[17:51:29] <stippi> test[17:51:34] <stippi> hm[17:51:38] <mmu_man> test works :p[17:51:46] <stippi> firefox doesn't do any network I/O[17:51:55] <stippi> but Vision still works[17:52:13] <stippi> I wonder what part of Haiku is f**ked up no... :-)[17:52:22] <stippi> Anyways, pretty impressive[17:52:25] <TuneTracker> mmu_man like this?[17:52:26] <TuneTracker> $ addattr -t mime BEOS:TYPE text/x-playlist /boot/Station/Logs/Program\ Logs/Friday[17:52:30] <mmu_man> well, if you leave a firefox running you get ash :p[17:52:31] <TuneTracker> hiya stippi![17:52:42] <mmu_man> TuneTracker yes but I wanted to try with a new file[17:52:48] <stippi> I am running Haiku the whole day on this exposition, demoing all sorts of software and it still keeps running.[17:52:48] *** tigerdog has quit IRC[17:52:50] <TuneTracker> ok[17:52:59] <mmu_man> nice[17:53:05] <TuneTracker> stippi You're at an exposition? Cool, which one?[17:53:06] <stippi> mmu_man: Yes, really nice.[17:53:09] <mmu_man> stippi use Links :P[17:53:13] <stippi> Chemnitzer Linux Days[17:53:30] <TuneTracker> Good response today stippi ?[17:53:35] <stippi> very good[17:53:39] <TuneTracker> wonderful[17:53:42] <stippi> a lot of interesting technical folk[17:53:45] <TuneTracker> things are really looking up![17:53:58][17:54:04] <stippi> Schilling...[17:54:14] <TuneTracker> booth?[17:54:18] <TuneTracker> mmu_man[17:54:21] <stippi> yes, our Haiku booth[17:54:24] <TuneTracker> $ addattr -t mime BEOS:TYPE text/x-playlist /boot/Station/Logs/Program\ Logs/Monday[17:54:31] <stippi> that's the guy who wrote cdrecord[17:54:34] <TuneTracker> no change[17:54:37] <TuneTracker> oh, interesting[17:55:03] <mmu_man> try with a blank file, like touch Foo[17:55:27] <mmu_man> stippi wow, did you try running cdrecord yet ?[17:55:30] <TuneTracker> mmu_man like this?[17:55:35] <mmu_man> I meant to try but never did[17:55:36] <TuneTracker> $ addattr -t mime BEOS:TYPE text/x-playlist Foo /bin/addattr: can't open file Foo to add attribute[17:55:42] <El-Al> Stippi: what machine are you demoing on?[17:55:47] <stippi> I think it cannot run yet, since Haiku says it is Haiku, instead of BeOS...[17:55:49] <mmu_man> touch Foo[17:55:51] <mmu_man> ^^^[17:55:52] <stippi> IBM T60[17:56:08] <El-Al> P4?[17:56:10] <mmu_man> hmm cdrecord check uname() ?[17:56:20] <stippi> mmu_man: I think it does, yes[17:56:21] <TuneTracker> mmu_man touch Foo just returned me to a $[17:56:27] <stippi> at least that's what I figure he meant.[17:56:34] <mmu_man> hmm let's try hacking uname() :P[17:56:40] <stippi> mmu_man: No![17:56:48] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[17:56:49] <mmu_man> SETVER cdrecord BeOS 5.0[17:56:53] <TuneTracker> DeadYak wb[17:56:54] <mmu_man> :D[17:56:54] <stippi> let's go download cdrecord and re-port it :-)[17:56:59] <mmu_man> TuneTracker yes it created it![17:57:00] <stippi> hi DeadYak[17:57:06] <mmu_man> now try addattr...[17:57:13] <TuneTracker> ok[17:57:33] <TuneTracker> mmu like this?[17:57:34] <TuneTracker> addattr -t mime BEOS:TYPE text/x-playlist /boot/Station/Logs/Program\ Logs/Monday[17:57:44] <mmu_man> addattr -t mime BEOS:TYPE text/x-playlist Foo[17:57:59] <mmu_man> if I create a file it's to use it :p[17:58:15] <TuneTracker> mmu_man ran that, and am back to $[17:58:24] <mmu_man> now check if it has an icon[17:58:28] <TuneTracker> not yet[17:58:44] <Begasus> restarted Tracker yet? :P[17:58:52] <TuneTracker> Begasus several times :-P[17:58:55] <stippi> Begasus: He should not have to...[17:59:02] <Begasus> normaly not ...[17:59:16] <TuneTracker> $ addattr -t mime BEOS:TYPE text/x-playlist Foo[17:59:17] <TuneTracker> $ addattr -t mime BEOS:TYPE text/x-playlist /boot/Station/Logs/Program\ Logs/Friday[17:59:18] <TuneTracker> $[17:59:18] <Begasus> hi stippi btw[17:59:31] <stippi> TuneTracker: And you are sure that the mimetype has the icon associated properly ?[17:59:44] <TuneTracker> stippi In filetypes, you mean?[17:59:51] <aldeck> hi all[17:59:52] *** FreeFull has joined #haiku[17:59:56] <Begasus> hi aldeck[17:59:57] <mmu_man> yes check that :p[18:00:14] <TuneTracker> thanks, will be gone for a bit, bbl[18:00:17] <mmu_man> or if at least it has it in tracker[18:00:59] <DeadYak> hiya[18:01:04] <DeadYak> hm....what happened....[18:01:04] <DeadYak> brb[18:01:07] *** DeadYak has left #haiku[18:01:09] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[18:01:15] <DeadYak> there we go[18:01:18] * Begasus plops DeadYak[18:01:24] * DeadYak plops Begasus[18:01:29] <Begasus> meep[18:02:09] *** capycube has joined #haiku[18:03:27] *** MauriceK has joined #haiku[18:03:33] * DeadYak pets MauriceK[18:03:36] <MauriceK> hey ho[18:03:48] <MauriceK> how are things, DeadYak[18:03:53] <DeadYak> not bad, you?[18:04:00] *** FreeFull has quit IRC[18:04:02] <Begasus> hi MauriceK[18:04:09] <MauriceK> hey Begasus[18:04:20] <MauriceK> DeadYak: fine so far... visit all day...[18:05:28] <DeadYak> aha...[18:05:33] <MauriceK> hm... seems like no one has time to take a look at my questions... :([18:05:35] <DeadYak> that might explain that[18:05:49] <MauriceK> btw. congrats to submit access DeadYak :)[18:05:54] <DeadYak> thanks :)[18:07:42] <El-Al> DeadYak: I want to ru a browser on my gcc4 Haiku install, how would I go about that? :)[18:07:46] <El-Al> run[18:07:51] <mmu_man> stippi actually for now cdrecord misses a symbol[18:07:53] <mmu_man> fvct[18:08:15] <DeadYak> El-Al: you pretty much can't unless you can find a way to compile Links for gcc4...[18:08:29] <DeadYak> tqh was working on getting Firefox to compile on gcc4 but afaik it crashes very early on atm[18:08:30] *** capycube has quit IRC[18:08:32] <El-Al> DeadYak: thought as much :([18:08:49] <El-Al> bugger![18:08:59] <mmu_man> libroot in zeta exports that[18:09:09] <mmu_man> let's see[18:09:17] <mmu_man> if R5 actually does[18:09:44] <mmu_man> yes it does[18:09:45] <mmu_man> bow what is it[18:09:46] <MauriceK> are you guys also missing icons on the desktop in the current image?[18:09:54] <MauriceK> the disk and home icon is missing[18:09:57] <MauriceK> also some in the deskbar menu[18:10:16] <mmu_man> ecvt, fcvt, gcvt -- convert double to ASCII string[18:10:24] <El-Al> DeadYak: ...well its back to looking at the lovely Haiku interface for me then :D[18:10:36] *** stargater has joined #haiku[18:10:39] <stargater> hi[18:10:42] <mmu_man> MauriceK didn't try a recent build (since BeOS build broke) but it happened to me before[18:10:47] <MauriceK> hey stargater, how are things?[18:11:00] <mmu_man> looks like either a regression or a bad build[18:11:05] <mmu_man> MauriceK are you building form linux ?[18:11:11] <MauriceK> mmu_man: yes[18:11:14] <mmu_man> try to make a full build[18:11:15] <MauriceK> will do a rebuild then[18:11:26] <mmu_man> sometimes the generated/attributes/ folder gets screwed up[18:11:36] <mmu_man> so jam thinks the files are ok but attrs are lost[18:11:43] <mmu_man> and doesn't rebuild them[18:12:00] *** stargater has quit IRC[18:12:16] <MauriceK> ok deleted that folder and objects one... should be enough[18:12:29] <mmu_man> ok, we have gcvt() but not the other ones[18:12:55] <mmu_man> R5 has fcvt fcvt_r ecvt ecvt_r and gcvt[18:13:02] <MauriceK> ok we'll go out for dinner now... see you later[18:13:11] <mmu_man> The ecvt(), fcvt() and gcvt() functions conform to IEEE Std 1003.1-2001 (``POSIX.1'').[18:13:15] <mmu_man> ok it's standard stoff[18:13:16] *** stargater has joined #haiku[18:13:20] <DeadYak> ugh[18:13:27] <DeadYak> x86 BIOS uses BCD for the real time clock?[18:13:54] <stargater> MauriceK: very nice here, many interested people here and interested on haiku[18:14:27] <mmu_man> DeadYak yes[18:14:34] <DeadYak> mmu_man: ... ow.[18:14:50] <mmu_man> and only 2 digits for century :p[18:14:57] <mmu_man> year I mean[18:15:00] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[18:15:14] <DeadYak> ha[18:18:11] <mmu_man> // TODO: eventually add ecvt(), and fcvt() as well, if needed.[18:18:15] <mmu_man> ok thx axel ;)[18:19:30] *** SprMa has quit IRC[18:20:38] *** NeoOokami has joined #haiku[18:23:43] <CIA-47> axeld * r24189 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/accelerants/common/create_display_modes.cpp: Added modes for 1270x720 and 1400x1050 to the generic mode list.[18:25:29] <aldeck> hey TuneTracker ;)[18:25:43] <aldeck> did you solve your cddblinkd problem btw?[18:25:48] <TuneTracker> aldeck no, not yet[18:26:08] <aldeck> i found the source, and could see a potential problem[18:26:11] <TuneTracker> It's at a customer's computer. Not sure why he's getting that frequent crash...it's just plain old BeOS Max[18:26:12] <TuneTracker> oh, cool[18:27:03] <aldeck> i'd need information about the faulty cd[18:27:09] <TuneTracker> mmu_man What's your suggestion? Should I swallow hard and get used to blank icons? :-)[18:27:12] *** Al2O3 has quit IRC[18:27:15] <aldeck> so i can reproduce the bug[18:27:22] <CIA-47> axeld * r24190 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/accelerants/vesa/ (Jamfile accelerant.cpp mode.cpp):[18:27:22] <CIA-47> * Now completely initializes the current_mode if it's in the mode list.[18:27:22] <CIA-47> * The mode list is now created by the common mode list creation code.[18:27:22] <CIA-47> * Minor cleanup.[18:27:24] <TuneTracker> aldeck Ah, do you think it's a bad CD causing it?[18:27:31] *** Al2O3 has joined #haiku[18:27:36] *** capycube has joined #haiku[18:27:46] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[18:28:02] <aldeck> well, cddblinkd is in bebits, and in the talkback someone crashed it with some cd[18:28:16] *** bSON has quit IRC[18:28:22] *** bSON has joined #haiku[18:28:33] <TuneTracker> ah[18:29:06] *** mats has joined #haiku[18:29:35] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[18:30:06] <aldeck> TuneTracker: http://www.bebits.com/app/1507[18:34:41] *** stargater has quit IRC[18:36:36] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[18:36:44] <TuneTracker> aldeck sec... in session with someone[18:36:56] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[18:37:00] <aldeck> kay[18:38:23] <umccullough> hmm.. playing 4 videos and two mp3s on Haiku... not bad, but any more and it breaks down significantly[18:38:35] <umccullough> once the CPU hits 100% utilization, the scheduler freaks[18:42:14] <databridge> freez you mean[18:42:15] <TuneTracker> aldeck Anything in particular I should look at there?[18:43:43] <aldeck> TuneTracker: well i think that if you give me 'DISCID' of the cd in question then i can reproduce and look at the bug[18:44:08] <umccullough> databridge, it freaks[18:44:10] <TuneTracker> aldeck Ok, I'll check that with the customer this coming week and see if we can narrow it down.[18:44:21] <databridge> so you are a freak[18:44:36] <umccullough> databridge, all of a sudden maybe one task gets priority, sometimes none[18:44:46] <aldeck> TuneTracker: ok, the name of the cd might be enough[18:44:47] <umccullough> then one of them will crash and all will be good[18:44:55] <databridge> lol[18:44:57] <TuneTracker> aldeck ok I'll find out...thanks[18:45:10] <aldeck> you're welcome[18:45:13] <databridge> what about the times when beos can play 12 mp3`s on a pentium 90?[18:45:33] <umccullough> well, MP3s use very little CPU[18:45:37] <umccullough> and Haiku isn't BeOS ;)[18:45:46] *** FreeFull has joined #haiku[18:45:51] <databridge> and you have no pentium 90[18:45:54] <aldeck> bbl, bye TuneTracker[18:45:55] <umccullough> i was playing an MP4, a DivX, an mpg2 and a MOV[18:45:59] *** aldeck has quit IRC[18:46:07] <umccullough> not sure what codec the MOV was[18:46:29] <databridge> some good pron are mov[18:46:31] *** capycube has quit IRC[18:46:34] <umccullough> i have several pentium 90s actually[18:46:41] <umccullough> and a p75 laptop[18:46:49] <umccullough> i just don't use them ;)[18:46:58] <DeadYak> umccullough: Beowulf cluster!!![18:46:58] <El-Al> heh! betips.net has been resurrected! I didn't know that :o)[18:47:00] <DeadYak> sorry, I had to[18:47:06] <umccullough> heh[18:47:16] <umccullough> El-Al, yep![18:47:24] <databridge> beos is on the run again[18:47:25] <umccullough> and it's a wordpress site now[18:48:14] <umccullough> databridge, anyway, this test was using a Dell optiplex gx270 with a P4 2.8ghz[18:48:15] <El-Al> umccullough: got the shock of my life to see that Scott Hacker had left a posting on haiku-os.org :D[18:48:18] *** mmu_laptop has joined #haiku[18:48:18] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_laptop[18:48:28] <DeadYak> El-Al: he did? where?[18:48:36] <umccullough> DeadYak, you still don't sub to the openbeos list?[18:48:45] <databridge> who is scott hacker?[18:48:45] * umccullough shakes his head[18:48:49] <umccullough> Scot[18:49:05] <DeadYak> umccullough: not at present, should I be?[18:49:10] <El-Al> databride: BeOS Bible author[18:49:19] <umccullough> DeadYak, sometimes interesting stuff gets posted there ;)[18:49:24] <mmu_laptop> re[18:49:27] <umccullough> i.e. my post about Scot Hacker's BeTips server[18:49:31] <DeadYak> is the S/N ratio a bit better these days?[18:49:38] <umccullough> DeadYak, definitely[18:49:55] <umccullough> databridge, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scot_Hacker[18:50:07] <databridge> ok :)[18:50:40] <umccullough> oh, i didn't know Scot Hacker did the misheard lyrics site![18:50:50] <umccullough> heh, maybe that's how i stumbled across it years ago ;)[18:50:59] *** capycube has joined #haiku[18:52:37] <databridge> he is really a hacker[18:53:02] <umccullough> heh, must be fun to have that surname ;)[18:53:16] <umccullough> imagine being called "Mr. Hacker"[18:53:30] <DeadYak> umccullough: I dunno, Hackborn's probably almost as much fun :)[18:53:35] <umccullough> :)[18:53:40] <umccullough> haven't heard much from her lately[18:53:45] <DeadYak> umccullough: or her brother for that matter :/[18:53:48] <umccullough> anyhow, gotta go to work now[18:53:53] <DeadYak> I know she's at google these days though[18:54:13] *** Kokito has joined #haiku[18:54:22] <El-Al> DeadYak: do you need the url for the comment?[18:54:35] <El-Al> http://www.haiku-os.org/blog/bryanv/2008-02-28/status_update#comment[18:54:53] <El-Al> may find it from there :D[18:54:56] <DeadYak> thanks :)[18:55:04] <DeadYak> umccullough: beat me to it though :)[18:55:07] <DeadYak> beat you*[18:56:23] <El-Al> yeah! He's fast that urias :D[18:57:12] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[18:57:13] *** mmu_laptop is now known as mmu_man[18:57:22] <databridge> do you know a good security software for haiku? like norton antivirus for windows?[18:57:34] <databridge> or norton internet security[18:57:36] *** alekcxjo has joined #haiku[18:57:47] *** alekcxjo has left #haiku[18:57:51] <El-Al> databridge: hmmm...[18:58:03] * El-Al shakes head in despair[18:58:22] <databridge> :D[18:59:01] <databridge> haiku internet security with anti hacker, anti spy and anti rootkit[18:59:04] <El-Al> since when was norton antivirus good security software[18:59:32] <El-Al> I don't believe I ever saw a BeOS virus[18:59:48] <databridge> because the system is impossible to hack?[18:59:53] <El-Al> no[18:59:54] <NeoOokami> I don't recall hearing of any.[18:59:56] <DeadYak> uhh...guess again[19:00:04] <El-Al> aparantly its wide open :)[19:00:15] <DeadYak> considering you're running as root always? hell yes.[19:00:45] <databridge> thats bad[19:01:00] <NeoOokami> It's the 90's.[19:01:07] <NeoOokami> er that's. I'm tired. XD[19:01:44] <databridge> you know, if haiku will be the worlds number one os it will be critical[19:01:58] <databridge> and we are not far from that[19:02:05] *** bSO1 has joined #haiku[19:02:08] <NeoOokami> Right now they're focusing on recreating the last version of BeOS as it was.[19:02:14] <El-Al> databridge: then u better get coding![19:02:17] <NeoOokami> Most improvements to it are planned for after that. :)[19:02:38] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[19:02:58] <databridge> i write a program that makes a popup. "hallo virus you are not welcome"[19:03:08] <databridge> so the virus will go away[19:03:09] <El-Al> :D[19:03:55] <El-Al> "Shooo! you nasty virus Shoo!"[19:04:36] <databridge> :)[19:04:58] <databridge> sometimes i think this virus shit is wanted by people selling anti-virus software[19:05:03] <databridge> thats a big market[19:06:06] <El-Al> well they'd all be eating frugally if there were no virus'[19:06:21] <El-Al> and be in debt too![19:06:48] <databridge> true true[19:06:56] <El-Al> instead of getting fat on worms and horses :D[19:07:02] <databridge> beos max 5 do not boot on my acer travelmate 291[19:07:16] <databridge> loading screen appears, then reboot[19:07:31] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[19:07:34] <mmu_man> damn I go to www.gnu.org/software/libc but no download link[19:07:48] <mmu_man> why do I always have to dig stuff there ?[19:08:01] * DeadYak imagines gnu.org with "Digg this" links all over it[19:08:10] <mmu_man> ah "available at" :)[19:08:19] <mmu_man> lol[19:08:23] <DeadYak> ;)[19:08:30] <mmu_man> ok what version(s) do I need there[19:08:42] *** bSO1 has quit IRC[19:08:47] <mmu_man> seems we use 2.2.5 and 2.3.2[19:08:50] <mmu_man> (wtf)[19:09:06] *** bSO1 has joined #haiku[19:09:25] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[19:11:52] <dr_evil> mmu_man you better always use ftp://ftp.gnu.org[19:12:15] <mmu_man> yeah right[19:12:26] <mmu_man> well it's where I went from there[19:13:40] <mmu_man> f* ffplay works now with my Freebox to get TV from BeOS...[19:13:58] <mmu_man> but it insists on using 5.0 sound and SDL only wants 1 or 2 channels[19:14:29] <mmu_man> hmm but sometimes it works[19:14:36] <mmu_man> ah got 3rd channel :)[19:15:25] *** pyCube has joined #haiku[19:16:22] *** Red_Mist has joined #haiku[19:16:25] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[19:16:52] *** bSON has quit IRC[19:17:24] *** bSO1 has quit IRC[19:19:13] *** cb88 has joined #haiku[19:20:44] *** stippi has quit IRC[19:27:35] *** capycube has quit IRC[19:33:11] *** bombuzal has quit IRC[19:36:56] *** MYOB has joined #haiku[19:37:34] <pyCube> hi MYOB[19:37:44] *** capycube has joined #haiku[19:38:45] *** capycube has quit IRC[19:41:16] <MYOB> hello[19:41:54] <mmu_man> plop[19:42:24] <miqlas> We need localised antivirus popup app. The Hungarian text is: "Virus, takarodj haza!" ( "hallo virus you are not welcome")[19:43:08] <databridge> :D[19:43:48] <mmu_man> eh[19:44:08] <mmu_man> we could also need a WinXP decorator, so those fake popups at least look real enough :P[19:44:22] <databridge> :)[19:44:57] <cb88> ahemm vista decorator: screen dims and then and only then does the error pop up ;-)[19:45:05] <cb88> aka the dim screen of death[19:46:02] <databridge> some blur effects and transparent would be good too[19:46:03] <miqlas> :)[19:46:14] <miqlas> Aero glass?[19:46:17] <databridge> ye[19:46:22] <CIA-47> mmu_man * r24191 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/expander/ExpanderThread.cpp: lower the command priority since it is a background task.[19:46:32] <databridge> we want to make the error look as good as it can[19:47:05] <miqlas> Yes. We need an good loking warning box.[19:47:12] *** JDarkness has joined #haiku[19:47:56] <pyCube> dont forget to make a kick-ass about dialog too[19:47:57] <cb88> why all the looking at vista? ...e16-e17 and compiz have got them beat...cb88 apreciates good sarcasm though so prehaps the error should wobble![19:48:03] <pyCube> 'about' dialog[19:50:32] <miqlas> Error massage with 3d rounding cube?[19:50:45] <miqlas> with tons of eye candy?[19:51:08] <databridge> will be the future[19:51:29] <pyCube> ..cpu(s) peg while error dialog initializes and shows[19:51:37] <databridge> thats what microsoft did: make it good looking that the users don`t realized the errors[19:52:41] <cb88> map the banner message / error to a waving flag map that to said sphere and ofcourse the background should switch to a fractal as soon as the error occurs....[19:53:21] *** siarzhuk has quit IRC[19:53:29] <miqlas> Yeah!!!! We need all of them.[19:53:41] <cb88> databridge: more like they made the entire OS and error so you can't tell the diff[19:54:01] <databridge> lol[19:54:03] <databridge> true[19:54:12] <pyCube> error msgs should totally be excel macros[19:54:39] *** daste has joined #haiku[19:55:38] <cb88> hey im not kidding the only time i used vista i anwsered error messages 70% of the time LOL... pyCube those are called viruses and were of course first offered up by microsoft[19:57:06] <cb88> i did boot up haiku im vmware yesterday... too bad the host was running XP and was bogged down[19:59:36] <geist> wow[19:59:45] <geist> this cb88 character really lays it on thick eh?[20:00:03] *** nemerle has joined #haiku[20:00:05] <cb88> sry :-)[20:00:14] <pyCube> vista flicked my ear[20:00:21] <geist> vista ate my dog[20:00:22] <DeadYak> hiya geist[20:00:38] <cb88> it wasn't haiku doing the bogging lol[20:00:55] <pyCube> vista is a memeber of al queda[20:01:10] <Thom_Holwerda> vista took my laptop[20:01:15] <Thom_Holwerda> oh wait i installed it myself[20:01:18] <MYOB> vista kills sick children...[20:01:29] <MYOB> well, it could if it continues fouling up with some of our customers in work[20:01:31] <Thom_Holwerda> that's just courtesy[20:01:34] <geist> vista causes AIDS[20:01:40] <DeadYak> haha[20:02:23] <MYOB> althouygh theres more chance of our dodgy VBA app killing them first[20:02:38] <AnEvilYak> yay, death by VBA app[20:02:58] *** AlexForster has joined #haiku[20:03:09] <geist> hmm, thought DeadYak and AnEvilYak were the same person...[20:03:12] <MYOB> AnEvilYak don't get sick in Ireland :P[20:03:15] <MYOB> 55% market share[20:03:27] <AnEvilYak> geist: you would be correct[20:03:50] <AnEvilYak> geist: just walked into the other room to check something and that happens to be where my Haiku box is[20:05:27] <mmu_man> damn it's been 1h since it started unzippig this glibc[20:06:05] <AnEvilYak> ouch[20:11:54] *** Begasus has quit IRC[20:13:25] <ddew|bofh> g'evening[20:14:55] <mmu_man> ah finished[20:15:02] <mmu_man> need to unzip the other glibc now:-([20:15:26] <geist> :([20:15:37] <geist> this on beos?[20:15:42] *** siarzhuk has joined #haiku[20:16:09] <mmu_man> on zeta yes[20:16:34] <geist> yeah, it's amazing how slow the beos fs stuff is[20:16:42] <geist> at the time it was just kind of slow[20:16:55] <geist> but since it can't scale with newer machines, it falls farther and farther behind[20:17:21] <mmu_man> well the BeOS file cache doesn't help much[20:17:27] <geist> yeah exactly[20:17:33] <geist> it can't scale with newer machines[20:17:34] <mmu_man> I'm sure Haiku will help there[20:17:43] <geist> and the size of the vnode cache is static, basically[20:17:55] <ddew|bofh> is that something that's fixable in openbefs or will it need an entire reqrite in the future?[20:17:56] <mmu_man> yes sized at boot[20:17:59] <mmu_man> depending on RAM[20:18:08] <ddew|bofh> *rewrite[20:18:18] <geist> right, but it's sitting hard at the limit if your machine has 256MB or so[20:18:19] <mmu_man> ddew|bofh the file cache is outside *bfs so that's ok[20:18:19] <AnEvilYak> depends on what aspect of the problem you're looking at[20:18:29] <AnEvilYak> the file cache is fixable[20:18:33] <AnEvilYak> there's other performance issues though[20:18:41] <geist> not sure what has been done in haiku though, I think it's still using the old skool beos strategy[20:18:42] <AnEvilYak> for instance, every file create results in updating several indexes like name[20:18:45] <mmu_man> geist indeed you have to force limit it in kernel settings or you'll KDL if too much ram :)[20:18:46] <ddew|bofh> i can't imagine the attributes helping[20:19:01] <AnEvilYak> which obviously slows down things like unzipping an assload of files[20:19:06] <geist> yes and no[20:19:21] <AnEvilYak> admittedly you can mitigate that problem with mkbfs noindex but...[20:19:24] <geist> with a decent file cache, bette r vnode allocation, massive journal, even all those indexes should be lost in the noise[20:19:25] <AnEvilYak> that breaks being able to query[20:19:42] <AnEvilYak> geist: I thought the extra disk seeks needed would kill it?[20:19:58] <AnEvilYak> geist: though I guess if you had an io scheduler and could reorder writes to minimize that...[20:20:01] <geist> caches distribute that over a longer period of time[20:20:02] <mmu_man> well better caching allows breaking the out-of-order ops happening to update indices[20:20:05] <mmu_man> so it would help[20:20:12] <geist> and thus allows the io scheduler to smooth it out[20:20:15] <geist> which beos has neither[20:20:22] <ddew|bofh> although with ever increasing disk-speeds and ssd attributes for files might be a better solution than indexing[20:20:27] <geist> relatively tiny cache, extrmely simple io scheduler, etc[20:20:28] <mmu_man> wow, glibc is 86 MB unzipped[20:20:32] <geist> it's just fallen behind[20:20:47] <AnEvilYak> ddew|bofh: you kind of need both if you want to be able to do queries well[20:20:54] <mmu_man> thinking about writing an ext3 addon, that'd give a way to compare :)[20:21:11] <AnEvilYak> even with an SSD it's still going to be slow to crawl the whole disk looking for what files have a particular attr compared to hitting an index that knows up front[20:21:12] <ddew|bofh> AnEvilYak: true[20:21:14] <geist> yeah, wish i could have gotten my ext2 code out of the repo at be[20:21:22] <geist> should have pushed for it to be an example code or something[20:21:32] <geist> i had full read/write ext2 working while I was there[20:21:34] <geist> it was faaast[20:21:44] <AnEvilYak> geist: does ext2 support xattrs?[20:21:59] <mmu_man> wasn't it using a libext2 anyway ?[20:22:00] <geist> not at the time[20:22:07] <geist> mmu_man: no no, I wrote all o that from scratch[20:22:08] *** Thom_Holwerda has quit IRC[20:22:10] <mmu_man> I recall some FS actually using a (GPLed even) library[20:22:19] <mmu_man> was another one probably[20:22:25] <geist> none of the be fses, no[20:22:32] <geist> I wrote the ext2 and ntfs one from scratch[20:22:40] <AnEvilYak> geist: you wrote the NTFS driver too....yeah, thought so[20:22:47] <ddew|bofh> kudos to you[20:23:01] <mmu_man> suppose it's an occasion to write some kernel code as C++ and see how sick it makes me :D[20:23:08] <AnEvilYak> I take it that one's more difficult to get read/write out of though[20:24:54] <geist> yeah well[20:25:00] <geist> what ntfs?[20:25:02] <geist> yeah[20:25:31] <AnEvilYak> indeed[20:25:37] <AnEvilYak> anyone ever figure out the journal format?[20:25:39] *** mmu has joined #haiku[20:25:45] * AnEvilYak plops mmu[20:26:16] <mmu_man> will reboot that one[20:26:37] <mmu> plop[20:29:30] *** bombuzal has joined #haiku[20:30:11] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[20:30:41] *** mmu is now known as mmu_man[20:36:42] *** cb88 has quit IRC[20:37:14] *** DeadYak has quit IRC[20:37:17] <ddew|bofh> hehe Ron Hinkle[20:37:22] *** DeadYak has joined #haiku[20:37:31] <ddew|bofh> err *rob[20:38:21] *** FreeFull has quit IRC[20:38:37] <mmu_man> nothing on tv tonight it seems[20:39:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[20:39:57] <mmu_man> I should have done that glibc stuff from linux...[20:40:17] <ddew|bofh> ported glibc to to haiku?[20:40:28] <geist> nothing on tv tonight[20:40:30] <mmu_man> we do use glibc already[20:40:31] <geist> that means it's business time[20:40:43] <mmu_man> just I need a file from it to add a missing func[20:40:46] <AnEvilYak> ddew|bofh: libroot consists partly of glibc[20:41:20] * ddew|bofh writes down Yet Another thing he didn't knew :)[20:46:54] <Red_Mist> vista works for FEMA.[20:46:54] *** Red_Mist has left #haiku[20:48:56] *** bachmann has joined #haiku[20:49:11] <mmu_man> plop[20:49:19] *** mmu_man sets mode: +o bachmann[20:49:26] *** bachmann is now known as andrewbachmann[20:59:38] *** FreeFull has joined #haiku[21:01:40] *** daste has quit IRC[21:14:50] *** dchis has quit IRC[21:19:16] *** dchis has joined #haiku[21:19:32] *** dchis has quit IRC[21:23:17] *** SprMa has joined 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I'm still waiting for a drop in price[21:33:33] <cps1966> http://gloob.tv/stupid/mac_vs_pc_vs_linux[21:35:15] <mmu_man> linux is not an architecture or a machine[21:35:22] <mmu_man> it's an OS.. quite misnamed[21:35:32] <mmu_man> ... flash I suppose[21:35:35] <mmu_man> nothing here[21:35:41] <AnEvilYak> yeah, it's flash[21:36:49] <mmu_man> stippi[21:36:50] <mmu_man> gah[21:37:17] *** infamy has quit IRC[21:37:51] <mmu_man> got cdrecord running[21:38:26] *** NeoOokami has quit IRC[21:38:44] <databridge> man you`re great[21:39:03] <mmu_man> need to wait for svn up to finish before I can submit the fix :-([21:39:38] <DeadYak> mmu_man: nice![21:57:32] *** slaad has joined #haiku[22:01:12] *** tigerdog has joined #haiku[22:02:00] *** tigerdog has quit IRC[22:10:35] *** infamy has joined #haiku[22:20:46] *** NeoOokami has joined #haiku[22:24:50] <CIA-47> mmu_man * r24192 /haiku/trunk/src/system/libroot/posix/ (5 files in 2 dirs):[22:24:50] <CIA-47> Copied [efg]cvt() and *cvt_r() from glibc 2.3.2, this gets cdrecord running.[22:24:50] <CIA-47> Btw, why do we have _G_config.h in 2 places ?[22:27:27] <dr_evil> damn, accidently deleted two DVD image files[22:35:41] <mmu_man> http://sourceforge.net/projects/blazer-player !?[22:36:37] <mmu_man> no src or file[22:36:40] <mmu_man> :-([22:37:56] <mmu_man> hmm 3 month old commit in themis svn[22:38:48] <slaad> Oh, nuce,'[22:38:52] * slaad shoots his fingers.[22:38:57] <slaad> "Oh, nice!" even.[22:41:07] <mmadia> mmu_man http://www.beosnews.com/?s=blazer&Search.x=0&Search.y=0 and http://gplflash.sourceforge.net/[22:42:23] <andrewbachmann> hi mmu_man dr_evil[22:42:45] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[22:43:00] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[22:43:15] <mmu_man> andrewbachmann ah you're not speechless :)[22:43:16] <DeadYak> slaad: nuce eh? :P[22:43:21] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[22:43:27] <andrewbachmann> I blame my IRC client[22:43:31] <mmu_man> http://sourceforge.net/projects/besd rotfl[22:44:24] <DeadYak> mmu_man: 2007-07-29? o.0[22:44:31] * slaad lobs things at DeadYak[22:45:36] <andrewbachmann> I thought it wasn't possible to install beos onto a disk larger than 137GB[22:45:41] <[Katisu]> um, would that just be BSD when he is done?[22:45:54] <DeadYak> andrewbachmann: it is with newer versions of the IDE driver[22:46:01] <andrewbachmann> oic[22:46:03] <DeadYak> just need one that supports LBA48 :)[22:49:22] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[22:50:10] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[22:52:45] <andrewbachmann> this bios has a setting called IDE DMA transfers[22:52:52] <andrewbachmann> when its on, beos doesn't start[22:53:02] <andrewbachmann> even if I disable IDE DMA in the safe mode settings[22:53:03] <andrewbachmann> weird[22:53:46] *** salierix has joined #haiku[22:53:55] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[22:57:11] <MauriceK> re[22:57:25] <MauriceK> mmu_man: even after complete rebuild icons seem to be lost :([22:58:43] <mmu_man> arf[22:59:10] <MauriceK> hm... and the crash message box of cortex now has infinite height????[22:59:18] <MauriceK> uhm BAlert that is[23:01:39] *** oco has quit IRC[23:03:44] *** El-Al has quit IRC[23:04:24] *** El-Al has joined #haiku[23:06:32] *** MYOB has quit IRC[23:08:03] *** Syn- has quit IRC[23:12:21] <miqlas> Ahhh.. I setup an Shoutcast server :)[23:12:26] <miqlas> I'm happy now.[23:12:44] <slaad> After this case, and the other case, we've only got one more case left![23:12:47] *** bombuzal has quit IRC[23:12:52] * El-Al tosses dr_evil a can :)[23:12:56] <miqlas> The usb webcams working now in Haiku?[23:13:05] <mmu_man> miqlas only mine, and not quite yet[23:13:13] <miqlas> :([23:13:42] <miqlas> I want try my webcam in Hiku...But i think, i wait until it done..[23:13:47] <miqlas> Thanks, mmu_man.[23:13:51] <mmu_man> what model is it ?[23:14:49] <miqlas> I don't know.[23:14:59] <miqlas> There is no text on it.[23:15:32] <CIA-47> jackburton * r24193 /haiku/trunk/ (headers/os/interface/Menu.h src/kits/interface/Menu.cpp):[23:15:32] <CIA-47> Applied patch by Denis Washington which implements "diagonal mouse[23:15:32] <CIA-47> support" for menus (see ticket #284). Thanks a lot![23:16:00] <miqlas> Now my webcam's webpage working better (and with ajax based chat) : http://e4-317.extra.hu/[23:16:43] <miqlas> And now You can see my Haiku Tshirt :)[23:17:44] <CIA-47> jackburton * r24194 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/aboutsystem/AboutSystem.cpp: Added Denis Washington to the contributors' list.[23:18:24] <mmu_man> miqlas you can find out using lspci under Linux (lspci -n to get the ids)[23:18:39] <miqlas> I don't have linux. I hate them.[23:18:42] <El-Al> miqlas: nice t-shirt :)[23:18:50] <miqlas> Thank You.[23:19:04] <miqlas> this is my third Haiku T-Shirt.[23:20:38] <mmu_man> miqlas how are you using it then ?[23:20:40] <mmu_man> win ?[23:21:20] <miqlas> Yes.[23:22:50] <miqlas> I have only 2 OS on my computer. Win (i need to draw big mechanical drawings) and Haiku (always KDL because something wrong with the rtl8193 driver)[23:23:12] <mmu_man> hmm you can find it in the device manager[23:23:54] <mmu_man> it's in the last tab IIRC, you can get the enumerator names, one looks like \VENDOR_NNNN_DEVICE_MMMM...[23:23:55] <miqlas> Check.[23:24:41] *** SprMa has quit IRC[23:25:30] *** El-Al has quit IRC[23:25:41] <mmu_man> Kokito http://sourceforge.jp/projects/haiker !?[23:27:23] <mmu_man> ohh the sc for BeHappy is there :)[23:27:24] <mmu_man> http://www.becoz.org/beos-en/behappy/downloads[23:27:45] <miqlas> The device is : USB\VID_0C45&PID_600D\5&3AC0E39C&0&2[23:29:11] <mmu_man> http://www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids ... 0c45 Microdia / 600d TwinkleCam USB camera[23:30:00] <mmu_man> ohh wait[23:30:05] <mmu_man> it *might* actualy work[23:30:21] <mmu_man> this ID is quite widely used by several brands, it seems it's actually a noname[23:30:22] <mmu_man> {{ 0, 0, 0, 0x0c45, 0x600D }, "Trust", "spacec@m 120" },[23:30:36] <mmu_man> mine is 6005[23:30:48] <mmu_man> miqlas it might work with the current driver, at least it should in BeOS[23:30:56] <miqlas> mmu_man, haiker: "Os haiku-like MIT license under the above haiku-os aims to support development programs. Course development, publishing and other materials leave."[23:31:00] <mmu_man> you won't get pics in Haiku yet as the usb stack has perf issues[23:31:03] <miqlas> google translate[23:31:22] <mmu_man> yes, not really helpful :)[23:31:35] <mmu_man> it looks like JP related tools for Haiku though[23:31:40] <miqlas> Thank You, mmu_man :)[23:31:46] <mmu_man> there is an XIM2 input method and other stuff[23:31:52] <miqlas> I will test the camera.[23:32:40] *** databridge_ has joined #haiku[23:33:39] <miqlas> But if i restart my computer, You can't see me, because the camera don't working....[23:33:40] <CIA-47> marcusoverhagen * r24195 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/media/media-add-ons/videowindow/ (8 files): Changed the license from GPL to MIT on request by Maurice. I'm the sole author of this code.[23:33:41][23:38:06] <Kokito> mmu_man, seems to be somebody who will develop apps for Haiku[23:39:27] <Kokito> ahhh! mmu_man, I know who the guys is: his nick is Rihatsu (aka Barber). I don't think he's active lately though[23:40:19] <mmu_man> ah[23:40:31] <mmu_man> maybe there is interesting stuff in the svn though[23:41:46] *** leszek has joined #haiku[23:42:09] <leszek> hi[23:42:40] *** oco has joined #haiku[23:42:50] <dr_evil> uhh, videowindow just got released from GPL handcuffs[23:45:14] <andrewbachmann> hey folks, what's the easiest way to install haiku onto a hard disk?[23:45:15] *** eNGIMa has joined #haiku[23:45:15] <andrewbachmann> dd?[23:45:36] <DeadYak> andrewbachmann: are you building it or using an image?[23:45:49] <andrewbachmann> either way[23:46:19] <andrewbachmann> I guess if I build it I could just copy the files over, hm?[23:46:20] <DeadYak> andrewbachmann: if you're building from linux, the build sys can write it straight to a partition, if you're building from BeOS jam install-haiku will install it to a BFS partition[23:46:27] <DeadYak> just have to configure where you want it to go in the build sys[23:46:30] <andrewbachmann> ok[23:46:37] <DeadYak> which build/jam/UserBuildConfig.sample should have examples for[23:47:00] <andrewbachmann> thanks[23:47:03] <DeadYak> np[23:47:17] * andrewbachmann feels like a big newBe[23:47:37] <Kokito> mmu_man, he seems to have some code in the repo (like Canna & SKK, another JP input method), plus some app(s?), but it is not clear to me if if is of any use or not.[23:47:53] <Kokito> mmu_man, seems to be old code though[23:49:41] *** databridge has quit IRC[23:51:50] <miqlas> I go to make something to eat.[23:53:26] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[23:53:50] <miqlas> The "Subscribe to Haiku Daily RSS feed" link on the http://www.haiku-os.org/downloads page is not working! Here is the working feed: http://www.wotzwot.com/rssxl.php?pageurl=http%3A%2F%2Fhaiku-files.org%2Fraw%2Findex.php%3Fdir%3D%26sort%3Dname%26order%3Ddesc&sf=Raw+Images&si=%3Ctd+class%3D%27clsItem%27%3E&ei=%3C%2Fa%3E%3C%2Ftd%3E%3C%2Ftr%3E&sd=&ed=&linkno=1[23:53:55] <miqlas> Please, change it.[23:54:04] <miqlas> !!!!![23:55:02] *** siarzhuk has quit IRC[23:55:33] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[23:59:39] *** databridge_ has quit IRC