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[00:00:15] <DeadYak> jonaskirilla: sorry it's been a while and I don't have any PCs running it atm :/
[00:00:22] <axeld> night
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[00:01:44] <gotaku> I'm sorry to say with all the threading issues I'm starting to doubt Haiku will ever reach R1 :(
[00:02:14] <MYOB> hrm, gotaku = Lusopian, anyone?
[00:02:19] <jonaskirilla> I'm trying to make a single makefile work on both Zeta and BeOS, where Zeta needs an extra library. Any hints, apart from using uname?
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[00:03:01] <gotaku> Lusopian?
[00:03:13] <MYOB> another amazing FUD-spreader
[00:03:18] <MYOB> in its classical sense
[00:03:59] <jonaskirilla> gotaku: Is there any specific threading issue?
[00:04:09] <petterhj> lot of that lately. even this crap: http://lucky13.blogsavy.com/2007/04/24/haiku-insecurity/
[00:05:02] <gotaku> The osnews post he linked to is just as bad.
[00:05:15] * petterhj is out getting cancer
[00:05:30] <MYOB> its bullshit from the start, in that there are -no- GSoC resources being used for a word processor
[00:05:35] <MYOB> and the OS DOES have a net stack
[00:05:50] <jonaskirilla> some discussion threads sure have issues
[00:05:51] <[Beta]> Balkan grade-schoolers, lol
[00:06:04] <gotaku> jonaskirilla: I don't mean specifically with Haiku but the whole idea of using locks as the main method of concurrency.
[00:06:09] <MYOB> I notice he doesn't let people post comments
[00:06:21] <MYOB> probably because they'd dismantle his crap fairly quickly#
[00:07:42] <MYOB> its not even his only post on it!
[00:07:51] <MYOB> someones obsessed
[00:08:02] <jonaskirilla> gotaku: I suppose there is a grain of truth in that, but I can't say I have gathered enough comp-sci to see the full picture.
[00:09:03] <[Beta]> MYOB, he's at the "they laugh at you" stage :p
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[00:09:43] <MYOB> unfortunately, theres a chance people will take him seriously
[00:10:16] <MYOB> an SoC mentor is working on an office suite, not a student. Him posting crap implying an SoC slot is being used for that is not a good thing.
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[00:11:11] <gotaku> There are probably 1000+ potential deadlock situations in the codebase.
[00:11:17] <[Beta]> Talking for "office suites": I'd like to see a basic ODT translator in the Haiku repo before the summers out, that's for sure.
[00:11:42] <[Beta]> gotaku, its alpha code. but 1000+? sounds high.
[00:13:17] <gotaku> I mean bonefish says that bug 1174 that I had is the result of a deadlock... wha?
[00:13:25] <gotaku> http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/1174
[00:13:43] <DaaT> [Beta]: i'd like to see R1 before the summer's out, that's for sure
[00:13:43] <DaaT> :P
[00:14:06] <[Beta]> make it so, DaaT :P
[00:14:19] * DaaT starts writing news as fast as possible
[00:14:22] <DaaT> since I can't code
[00:14:24] <DaaT> will it help? :P
[00:15:31] <MYOB> http://osnews.com/permalink.php?news_id=17718&comment_id=233683
[00:16:38] <[Beta]> DaaT, "Haiku aims to reach R1 this autumn, asks fans to contribute" ... could work :P
[00:16:49] <DeadYak> who is lucky13?
[00:16:51] <MYOB> edited to mention his infatuation with Baltic teenagers
[00:16:56] <MYOB> DeadYak a BSD troll
[00:17:08] <DeadYak> BSD? he sounded more like a linux zealot
[00:17:39] <MYOB> DeadYak his website makes him seem to be BSD
[00:17:47] <MYOB> he's working off, well, a lack of information
[00:17:57] <DeadYak> I dunno, I've only looked at that post, and he mentions linux being relevant and haiku not
[00:18:01] <MYOB> the majority of the security focus articles mentioning BeOS refer to third part software
[00:18:09] <petterhj> Why can't they just stfu and move on to other OSes then, if they believe Haiku won't go anywhere. Why do they need to tell the world?
[00:18:19] <MYOB> then theres a few fixed-by-BONE networking bugs
[00:18:21] <DaaT> [Beta] :B
[00:18:24] <MYOB> and, well, nothing else
[00:18:44] <DaaT> :D I meant :)
[00:18:45] <[Beta]> how often is linux going to be mentioned in here? its peaked recently!
[00:18:54] <petterhj> it reminds me somehow of this article: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant (you can say whatever about this guy as well, but he has a point)
[00:18:57] <gotaku> Haiku really needs documentation...
[00:19:01] <[Beta]> heh DaaT, pay attention to chat, not the sheep.
[00:19:05] <DaaT> linux
[00:19:08] <DaaT> i'm playing with my Wii actually
[00:19:09] <DaaT> :D
[00:19:23] <[Beta]> gotaku, they just asked for help on the documentation team, so thats not a surprise.
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[00:20:12] <gotaku> What type of docs? API stuff or about the Haiku internals as well?
[00:20:32] <[Beta]> API stuff mostly
[00:20:40] <MYOB> Linux just confused the fuck out of my (oddly enough BSD powered) print server to the point that it needed a hard reset
[00:20:42] <MYOB> BeOS doesn't
[00:20:47] <MYOB> hence using lucky13 logic...
[00:20:54] <MYOB> BeOS is significantly better :D
[00:20:59] <[Beta]> When Haiku is complete, it should have a mac-style user guide. "Plug in, turn on"
[00:21:07] <MYOB> and nobody will EVAR MOV TO USNG LEENUCSK!
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[00:21:42] <gotaku> I mean that Haiku needs documentation about it's internals to help new developers.
[00:21:58] <MYOB> gotaku feel like writing it?
[00:22:25] <gotaku> No. I'm one of those that need help.
[00:22:28] <MikeW> MYOB: PM, theres a scandal a brewing
[00:22:50] <MYOB> MikeW I'm reading it...
[00:22:59] <mmu_man> Wiiii... PPC ain't it ? :)
[00:23:11] <DeadYak> mmu_man: aye
[00:23:12] <gotaku> scandal? Where? ;)
[00:23:19] <MYOB> gotaku at the moment the developers are generally too busy working on the code to document it beyond what comments there are
[00:23:52] <gotaku> MYOB: That's the problem... I'm completely lost.
[00:24:04] <MYOB> gotaku they will, however, answer questions
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[00:26:14] <MYOB> are there any components in particular you're finding confusing?
[00:27:28] <gotaku> Yes, the kernel :(
[00:27:47] <gotaku> That the part that seems to need the most work.
[00:28:06] <MYOB> axeld + geist are the people to speak to
[00:28:25] <MYOB> but again, any specific part of "the kernel" - a kernels a big thing, even when its a "small" kernel...
[00:29:38] <gotaku> Why doesn't Haiku have more of a microkernel?
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[00:30:00] <MikeW> For you filesystem guys, which os had links (to programs) that would update themselves when the binary was moved
[00:30:03] <meianoite> MYOB am I wrong to presume this lucky13 guy is some sort of dumbed down John C. Dvorak?
[00:30:07] <MikeW> I think it was either on OS/2 or NextStep
[00:30:17] <MYOB> MikeW OS2
[00:30:24] <MYOB> self healing symlinks I think
[00:30:32] <MYOB> lemme go find my Warp books
[00:31:15] <MYOB> meianoite no, dvorak sometimes makes sen
[00:31:17] <MYOB> sense*
[00:31:25] <[Beta]> meianoite, everyone blogging about things they know nothing about is a Dvorak :)
[00:31:36] * [Beta] says ( me too :) )
[00:31:58] <meianoite> [Beta] that's the spirit of my question :)
[00:31:58] <DeadYak> gotaku: because generally speaking microkernels are slow
[00:32:11] <MYOB> Shadow objects
[00:32:18] <DeadYak> and most of the benefits aren't really all that meaningful in the case of an end user O/S
[00:32:23] <MYOB> according to the Warp 3.0 Survival Guidwe
[00:32:40] <gotaku> But would development be easier?
[00:32:47] <DeadYak> not necessarily.
[00:32:50] <MikeW> MYOB: on HPFS, right?
[00:32:56] <meianoite> DeadYak /me wonders how the QNX guys managed to build a microkernel that actually doesn't suck
[00:33:05] <DeadYak> meianoite: it does for Desktop stuff
[00:33:07] <MYOB> MikeW can't remember if it worked on FAT
[00:33:22] <MYOB> I believe it did in fact
[00:33:22] <DeadYak> meianoite: Photon/Neutrino ran like ass if you tried to put much of an I/O load on it
[00:33:36] <meianoite> how come, DeadYak? what does it do wrong that makes desktop-like responsiveness suck?
[00:33:42] <MYOB> but its been, erm, 1998 since I even used OS/2 outside of bank machines!
[00:33:44] <DeadYak> meianoite: too much context switching
[00:33:49] <DeadYak> meianoite: aka the bane of microkernels
[00:33:49] <MYOB> MikeW Kancept is the man to ask...
[00:34:03] <DeadYak> meianoite: less of a problem on some CPUs, but on x86 context switches are slow as hell
[00:34:13] <meianoite> hmm...
[00:34:25] <DeadYak> that and bear in mind QNX is designed primarily for one thing
[00:34:26] <DeadYak> hard real time
[00:34:41] <DeadYak> that doesn't necessarily coincide with high performance or responsiveness, it just guarantees deadlines
[00:34:46] <MYOB> we've got a QNX developer in house
[00:34:51] <DeadYak> no, not me
[00:35:00] <MYOB> writes our radiotherapy software
[00:35:04] <DeadYak> oh
[00:35:07] <DeadYak> I thought you meant here
[00:35:15] <CIA-17> stippi * r20805 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/tv/tv.rdef:
[00:35:15] <CIA-17> * filled resource file
[00:35:15] <CIA-17> * created icon (maybe work in progress...)
[00:35:20] <MYOB> which, obviously, is time sensitive...
[00:35:25] <MikeW> tycom down?
[00:35:28] <MYOB> DeadYak no, in my employer
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[00:35:53] * meianoite is amazed by lucky13's "arguments"
[00:36:07] <meianoite> I wonder how is this guy planning to root a Haiku machine
[00:36:15] <MYOB> he's strange and sits in the corner talking to himself a lot
[00:36:22] <meianoite> what remote services we will run anyway? =p
[00:36:27] <gotaku> I'm just confused how you debug kernel bug that probably involve threading.
[00:36:47] <meianoite> gotaku believe me, that's more common than you think
[00:36:53] <meianoite> happens *all* the time
[00:36:56] <MYOB> generally you find a way of replicating it 100% then tell Axel ;)
[00:37:11] <MYOB> damn I need to get a new keyboard...
[00:38:01] <gotaku> What if you can't replicate it 100%?
[00:38:22] <MYOB> you panid
[00:38:24] <DeadYak> then you have fun with the kernel debugger :P
[00:38:25] <MYOB> panic *
[00:38:40] <MYOB> and realise its probably way beyond your knowledge to fix it...
[00:38:58] <gotaku> For example, trying to unzip the Beos devtools page faults sometimes.
[00:39:35] <DeadYak> VM bugs are generally known as being one of the hardest classes of problems to fix
[00:40:04] <meianoite> gotaku that's probably a VFS deadlock
[00:40:19] <gotaku> Yay, more deadlocks.
[00:40:42] <meianoite> it's called "pre-alpha" for a reason :)
[00:40:55] <MYOB> you're saying it like code was a: deliberately written to deadlock and b: a finished product
[00:41:52] <MYOB> care to come work with me for a few days to see a "finished product" thats SIGNIFICANTLY less reliable than Haiku and costs about 10k+2k a year on average? :P
[00:42:02] <gotaku> It's C/C++ so it may as well be "a"
[00:42:26] <DeadYak> may as well be what?
[00:42:34] <meianoite> the good thing about Haiku is that, as kits are (mostly) independent of each other, they're developed in parallel, and when the critical parts are "ready" (as if there is such a thing in the software world), "suddenly" Haiku will be ready too
[00:42:42] <MYOB> oh, wait... you're a Python/Java/Something Else Language Troll in disguise, right?
[00:42:47] <[Beta]> gotaku, you'd rather we wrote Haiku in Ruby?
[00:42:50] * [Beta] cackles
[00:42:55] <meianoite> this is fundamentally different from how things work on the Linux ecosystem
[00:43:38] <gotaku> MYOB: If you just want to call be a troll then get lost.
[00:43:48] <MYOB> I'm not the one trolling!
[00:43:49] <MYOB> you are!
[00:43:55] <gotaku> I am not trolling.
[00:43:58] <meianoite> guys, guys
[00:44:06] <meianoite> shut the *uck up, will you?
[00:44:09] <MYOB> look up the definition of "troll (internet)"
[00:44:12] <[Beta]> deep breath. anyhow.
[00:44:15] <meianoite> gotaku has genuine concerns
[00:44:24] <meianoite> but I think he's overestimating the complexity
[00:44:35] <MYOB> he's just expressing them in the most obnoxious way possible
[00:44:38] <meianoite> or the fact that this is kernel developers' bread and butter
[00:44:51] <[Beta]> gotaku, you've mentioned unzipping the devtools already today, a few times. its ok, people heard. it'll get sorted, at some point.
[00:45:06] <[Beta]> since the tools cant actually run without killing Haiku, there's not much need to extract them :)
[00:45:12] <gotaku> No, I'm not overestimating the complexity... The kernel developers are doing the best they can.
[00:45:33] <meianoite> see? gotaku is being perfectly reasonable.
[00:45:46] <gotaku> They are at least 100x as competent as I am.
[00:46:01] <meianoite> oh, humble, too
[00:46:11] <meianoite> no need to jump on his throat
[00:46:50] <meianoite> that lucky13 guy, on the other hand, HE needs some violent troutslapping
[00:47:02] <meianoite> berseker style
[00:47:03] <meianoite> =P
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[00:47:11] <[Beta]> http://www.mblondel.org/journal/2007/04/15/google-summer-of-code/ looks like a cool input method, handwriting recognition for cjk
[00:47:18] * DeadYak has flashbacks to the Berserker guy from Clerks
[00:47:19] <MYOB> can we just get a large enough weight to take his bridge down on top of him?
[00:47:43] <[Beta]> heh Yak.
[00:47:58] <DeadYak> [Beta]: ;)
[00:47:59] <gotaku> But the nature of trying to do concurrency with shared state makes these kind of problems unavoidable.
[00:48:20] <DeadYak> in many cases you don't realistically have a choice about it
[00:48:25] <[Beta]> and thats why we have competent kernel engineers.
[00:48:44] <DeadYak> and you can't really depend on a high level language's runtime to solve them for you when you're in kernel space
[00:48:48] <meianoite> gotaku you do realise that the alternative is taking LOTS of overhead, to the point of making the system just plain unusable, right?
[00:48:59] <gotaku> Yes I know.
[00:49:06] <gotaku> I didn't say I had a solution :)
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[00:52:22] <meianoite> neither did Microsoft... see the whole "rewriting Vista using managed code" fiasco.
[00:52:34] <meianoite> and they DO have infinite resources =/
[00:53:18] <[Beta]> but with managed code, developing is a dream!
[00:53:49] <meianoite> but I guess one can pull the "infinite monkeys on infinite terminals" trick only so many times
[00:53:50] <MYOB> I -far- prefer disorganised code.... I mean, its SUCH FUN! :p
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[00:54:19] <Stargater> re
[00:54:24] <meianoite> managed code is like when you're a baby and your MOM wipes your ass for you
[00:54:28] <MYOB> I still can't figure out how to build a working binary of our legacy app in work, and I've "only" been there 4 months...
[00:54:53] <meianoite> I mean, just *how hard is it* to remember deleting what you allocated when you don't need it anymore?
[00:54:58] <meianoite> how hard is it to use proper casts?
[00:55:05] <[Beta]> MYOB, what is it in ?
[00:55:16] <MYOB> [Beta] which bit of it? :P
[00:55:21] <MYOB> VB3, VB6, C++
[00:55:24] <DeadYak> meianoite: Microsoft Office Manager wipes your ass? eep
[00:55:30] <[Beta]> ew ew hmm
[00:55:45] * DeadYak has flashbacks to the days of MS Office when MS had MOM and Novell had DAD
[00:55:48] <[Beta]> rather MOM than BOB
[00:55:53] <meianoite> and if you actually need boxing/unboxing, just forget about the primitive types, use the damn class proper and let the compiler optimize stuff for you when necessary
[00:56:06] <MYOB> DeadYak were you waiting for their bastard child?
[00:56:14] <DeadYak> MYOB: sure, why not? :P
[00:56:17] <MYOB> 'cause the patent licenced SUSE is it!
[00:56:18] * meianoite will seriously consider saying "mommy", all-caps, next time.
[00:56:23] <DeadYak> MYOB: I mean, I'm sure DaaT would hump it
[00:56:31] * DeadYak ducks
[00:56:36] <MYOB> DeadYak seriously man, thats not a test of anything
[00:56:43] <DaaT> uh?
[00:56:53] * DaaT wasn't paying attention
[00:56:58] <DaaT> what would I hump? other than sheep
[00:57:19] <Stargater> ICO sheep is cool
[00:57:29] <DaaT> of course, it's a sheep!
[00:57:30] <DaaT> :)
[00:58:25] * meianoite has fond memories of Worms 1
[00:58:28] <meianoite> SHEEP BOMB
[00:58:39] <DeadYak> I prefer the flying sheep
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[00:58:45] <MYOB> DaaT DeadYak's MOM apparently
[00:58:45] <DeadYak> the cape was so cute :)
[00:58:52] <meianoite> not only they're cuddly, they also jump quite high and they *explode* :D
[00:59:06] * DeadYak sends an old lady after meianoite
[00:59:12] <DaaT> nahhh, not his mom
[00:59:21] <MYOB> no, his MOM
[00:59:24] <DaaT> Worms... one of the best games EVAR
[00:59:29] <DaaT> nor his MOM
[00:59:30] <DaaT> :P
[00:59:35] <MYOB> or possibly his DAD, see above...
[00:59:37] * meianoite resorts to JonathanThompson's claymore and trips the old lady. she explodes.
[00:59:54] <Stargater> www.wormsofprey.org
[01:00:15] <CIA-17> phoudoin * r20806 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/ (9 files in 2 dirs): Added Be sample code Mandelbrot app.
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[01:00:25] <MYOB> the Inflatable Scouser was far better than the sheep
[01:00:36] <[Beta]> yay, brots before ... erm, line.
[01:01:05] <meianoite> say whatever you want, but *nothing* beats the demo version of Worms "1"
[01:01:19] <meianoite> *nothing* will ever beat the fact that sometimes the replay differed from actual gameplay
[01:01:24] <DaaT> playing Worms for hours at BG
[01:01:25] <DaaT> FUN
[01:01:35] <meianoite> and sometimes worms which died wouldn't die on the replay and REMAIN in the game
[01:01:40] <meianoite> and vice-versa :D
[01:01:48] <meianoite> that was the *coolest* bug *ever*
[01:02:14] <MYOB> DaaT Worms Armeggedon on BeOS? Naughty....
[01:02:48] <meianoite> and the fact that you actually had to devise some strategy, because the gamut of weapons was so much more limited than in the full game
[01:02:54] <DaaT> whaaaaaa?
[01:02:59] <[Beta]> anyone here build Haiku in linux, and would share their BuildConfig in a pastebin?
[01:03:04] <DaaT> officer, it wasn't me!!
[01:03:27] <MYOB> DaaT no, we know the leak was probably T*c*n*x :P
[01:03:31] <[Beta]> tried worms in Haiku yet?
[01:03:39] <DaaT> lol
[01:03:48] <DaaT> actually I don't have the game
[01:03:59] <DaaT> at the time didn't either, it was someone else's laptop
[01:04:10] <MYOB> is there anything he DIDN'T leak or did he just pretend to do it all?
[01:04:21] * DaaT only mentions it's one of the mentors
[01:04:26] <DaaT> good question
[01:05:00] <meianoite> MYOB sometimes the leaks were due to K*nc*p* :)
[01:05:03] <MYOB> ah I love a good old reminisce
[01:05:21] <MYOB> meianoite well, he was helped by having stuff "put" on his machine, right ;)
[01:05:38] <meianoite> yeah, those sneaky "stuff"
[01:05:45] <meianoite> they just pop out of nowhere
[01:05:46] <meianoite> :)
[01:05:55] <MYOB> damn this makes me feel old
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[01:06:13] <meianoite> been 6 years already
[01:06:26] <meianoite> sheesh.
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[01:10:55] <DaaT> long time, yes
[01:12:05] <MYOB> 7 since the 'unpleasentness'
[01:12:46] <DaaT> the.... shift
[01:12:54] <DaaT> *whispers*
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[01:12:59] <MYOB> argh, come on and process my paycheque! fecking slow bank!
[01:13:08] <DaaT> ah, got payed today already
[01:13:09] <DaaT> weeeeee
[01:13:19] <DaaT> not much but hey, it helps
[01:13:28] <MYOB> I mean, its 15 minutes past midnight...
[01:14:48] <DaaT> shameful
[01:14:53] <MYOB> I'm literally running on fumes at this stage
[01:15:23] <DaaT> i know the feeling
[01:15:24] <DaaT> sorry to hear
[01:15:41] <DaaT> shouldn't have bought all that pr0n uh?
[01:16:02] <MYOB> taxmans fault
[01:16:13] <MYOB> had to pay >900 euros too much last month
[01:16:20] <DaaT> sure it wasn't leprechaun pr0n?
[01:16:21] <DaaT> ouch
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[01:18:59] <MYOB> screw this I'm going to go try an ATM...
[01:19:21] <MYOB> 365online is slow to update
[01:20:32] <MikeW> I'm just watching the harry potter trailer
[01:20:37] <MikeW> jeez, he has a massive head now
[01:20:43] <DaaT> lol
[01:20:53] <MikeW> He looks like an adult in a school uniform
[01:20:54] <DaaT> i guess it's from hanging around that horse
[01:22:11] <MikeW> awesome, its half past tomorrow
[01:22:22] <MikeW> and I havn't done the practice exam yet
[01:22:35] * meianoite wonders if he's the single person on this channel that *never* read any of the Harry Potter book
[01:22:58] <MikeW> meianoite: I've never read the books either
[01:23:03] <meianoite> o/
[01:23:16] <Stargater> meianoite you are a GSoC student ?
[01:23:29] <meianoite> I happen to be, yes
[01:23:43] <gotaku> I've never read a harry potter bock.
[01:23:43] <Stargater> ah ok, you make what ?
[01:23:51] <Stargater> Kernel ?
[01:23:51] <meianoite> and longtime member of the non-developers community :)
[01:24:08] <meianoite> but I only got to hang around IRC because of GSoC
[01:24:11] <DaaT> meianoite: never read them either, don't worry
[01:24:18] <meianoite> kernel. the scheduler.
[01:24:27] <Stargater> cool
[01:25:27] * meianoite loves how, sometimes, proper data structures lead to *really few* lines of code
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[01:26:06] <Stargater> :-)
[01:26:08] <meianoite> I just cut a routine from nearly 50 LoC to... 7?
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[01:27:07] <[Beta]> well, thats 43 less chances of deadlock, at least !
[01:27:11] <meianoite> haha
[01:27:27] <Stargater> reboot
[01:27:28] <meianoite> fortunately I only deal with threads, not use them :)
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[01:27:42] <[Beta]> meianoite, does the recent Linux' CFS stuff affect your work? ie, ideas?
[01:27:53] <meianoite> [Beta], not really.
[01:28:05] <meianoite> to be honest, I just skimmed over Ingo's posts
[01:28:26] <[Beta]> me too, pity I only basically understand it.
[01:28:47] <meianoite> unless I'm completely mistaken, his approach will increase context switching latency
[01:29:03] <meianoite> might end up scheduling threads in a fairer manner, but it's not going to be zippy =/
[01:29:34] <gotaku> Does Haiku have a general system performance benchmark?
[01:29:42] <meianoite> right now the latencies I'm experimenting are ridiculously small
[01:29:49] <meianoite> but that's on the testbed platform
[01:29:59] <meianoite> when I port the code to the Haiku kernel proper, things may change
[01:30:03] <meianoite> for the better or for the worse
[01:30:12] <meianoite> but I suspect it's going to be for the better :)
[01:30:41] <meianoite> right now I'm experiencing a *really* weird behaviour when I test the code on a SMP Xeon machine
[01:30:54] <gotaku> Erlang is so cool ;)
[01:31:02] <meianoite> it's being almost 4x slower than a Duron 1200 =P
[01:31:27] <meianoite> I can't really tell if that's Linux's fault
[01:31:28] <gotaku> I wish it was a little faster though.
[01:31:36] <shackan> what's the 'testbed platform'?
[01:31:55] <meianoite> shackan some code by Daniel Reinhold
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[01:32:09] <Stargater> re
[01:32:10] <meianoite> he wrote it in 2002 for a OBOS newsletter article
[01:32:35] <meianoite> I adapted it a little to handle my code
[01:32:42] <meianoite> and it works beautifully :)
[01:32:43] <shackan> is it a minimal kernel or.. ?
[01:32:53] <meianoite> it's kind of a minimal VM
[01:32:57] <MYOB> closest ATM was out :/
[01:33:11] <shackan> on top of linux?
[01:33:18] <meianoite> userland
[01:33:23] <meianoite> mostly posix API
[01:33:30] <shackan> yes, that's what I meant, sorry
[01:33:42] <meianoite> I had to port a single call from BeAPI to Posix, that was all
[01:33:50] <shackan> tbh I'm writing a slab allocator myself
[01:33:57] <meianoite> hey, talk to _hugo
[01:34:06] <meianoite> he happens to be writing one as well
[01:34:14] <shackan> oh, wasn't that you?
[01:34:34] <meianoite> no, I only bugged people to get me a slab allocator ;)
[01:34:39] <shackan> :D
[01:35:30] <Stargater> _hugo have write a slab allocator // see the CIA commets
[01:35:53] <shackan> anyway, now I'm messing with interfacing the buddy allocator with the slab, and getting the vmem allocator in the game, sounds like I'll have fun for quite a while before getting all together
[01:36:47] <meianoite> shackan you should really check _hugo's work
[01:37:01] <meianoite> could save both of you quite some work
[01:37:10] <shackan> yup, surfing svn right now
[01:37:37] <shackan> anyway, mine is not for haiku but a kernel on its own
[01:38:02] <meianoite> heretic!!
[01:38:07] <meianoite> outrageous!
[01:38:22] <Stargater> doom
[01:38:23] * meianoite looks for his pitchfork and torch
[01:38:28] * shackan runs
[01:39:42] <gotaku> Where is the haiku boot loader in the source tree?
[01:39:46] <MYOB> gonna give the bastards till 1am to pay me...
[01:40:03] <[Beta]> wow, this lucky13 guy is nuts
[01:40:30] <MYOB> more postings?
[01:40:41] <meianoite> [Beta] that's an understatement :)
[01:40:44] <gotaku> [Beta]: Just finding that out now?
[01:40:45] <[Beta]> nah, just reading through his back catalog
[01:40:51] <[Beta]> I thought you just said 2 posts.. :p
[01:41:16] <meianoite> linux cheerleaders are always nuts
[01:41:27] <meianoite> they have to justify themselves the effort to switch =/
[01:41:29] <[Beta]> gotaku, I dont get as immersed in OSnews like some beos fans :)
[01:41:48] <MYOB> Linux - its like wrestling your computer...
[01:41:50] <gotaku> [Beta]: I just read the articles.
[01:42:08] <[Beta]> I'm a linux cheerleader. But I'm happy that these are two different beasts.
[01:42:41] <meianoite> you're not a cheerleader. you're a supporter
[01:43:03] <[Beta]> nah, I just dont wave my skirt in this channel :P
[01:43:25] <shackan> meianoite, where's hugos slab in the tree?
[01:43:28] <MYOB> I'm not sure thats an image I want to see!
[01:43:33] <[Beta]> "How many BeOS servers are there on the Internet?" confuses me..
[01:43:34] <meianoite> lucky13 only waves his ponpons and insults the adversaries
[01:43:44] <[Beta]> servers on the internet == mainstream take up? :)
[01:43:46] <gotaku> wave you skirt? I'm unfamiliar with that expression ;)
[01:44:07] <MYOB> anywya, the best cheerleaders aren't wearing skirt s:P
[01:44:13] <[Beta]> imagine goatse.
[01:44:20] <meianoite> shackan I don't know, check the CIA logs
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[01:45:11] <meianoite> MYOB I truly hope you meant that in a heterosexual way
[01:45:12] <gotaku> Very few people in the open source world wear skirts and the ones that do are probably still men.
[01:45:15] <MYOB> leaving 365online in a Firefox background tab = crashy
[01:45:36] <MYOB> meianoite I was refering to the ones that are wearing bodysuits, ala many dance music videos...
[01:46:01] <DaaT> so MYOB, money in the bank?
[01:46:06] <Stargater> shackan http://cia.vc/stats/author/hugosantos/.message/b98e
[01:46:14] <meianoite> oh. the straight alternative I considered happened to be no clothes at all :)
[01:46:16] <MYOB> DaaT no(t yet)
[01:46:21] <DaaT> tsk tsk
[01:46:33] <MYOB> meianoite theres a slight problem that they're usually "porn stars" not "cheerleaders"
[01:46:40] <gotaku> Does Haiku have an light open source web browser I can use?
[01:46:48] <MYOB> do cheerleaders in brazil do it in the nip? Might need to go visit.;..
[01:46:57] <meianoite> MYOB depends on the context, if you happen to date one of them
[01:47:00] <[Beta]> mhmm, chyler leigh.
[01:47:01] <[Beta]> not all!
[01:47:29] <meianoite> MYOB we don't happen to have many cheerleaders at all... but hookers? there's *plenty* of them everywhere =P
[01:47:41] <MYOB> face full of pom pom isn't actually as seductive as you'd think...
[01:48:17] <gotaku> How would trying to compile the HelloWorld sample app cause the system to reboot? ;)
[01:48:17] <[Beta]> thats creepy, she was in an episode of M.Y.O.B.
[01:48:27] <[Beta]> gotaku, something is br0ke
[01:49:30] <gotaku> Well yeah but shouldn't something so serious have been fixed already?
[01:49:44] <[Beta]> no, Lup.
[01:49:56] <gotaku> I also lost all the files I extracted because they were in cache :(
[01:49:59] <meianoite> on what alternate reality is compiling HelloWold that serious? =P
[01:50:24] <meianoite> gotaku you've got to be kidding me. you can't be seriously, actively trying to compile stuff under Haiku
[01:50:39] <meianoite> unless you have that much free time
[01:50:44] <meianoite> and patience
[01:50:52] <MYOB> [Beta] ah, you're making the same assumption as me I see :D
[01:51:00] <[Beta]> ;)
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[01:51:12] <gotaku> meianoite: I wanted to see if at least HelloWorld would compile.
[01:51:17] <MYOB> lucky nobodies mentioned c*****g f***s....
[01:51:25] <gotaku> meianoite: and it does... sometimes.
[01:51:32] <meianoite> I'd be surprised if plain C "hello_world.c" compiles
[01:51:45] <meianoite> let alone Be sample code
[01:52:03] <gotaku> I got it to compile before.
[01:52:06] <[Beta]> cunting fucks? ...
[01:52:25] <MYOB> not... quite...
[01:52:27] <[Beta]> excuse me.
[01:53:17] <meianoite> good for you gotaku, but you must realise you're not meant to. it's called "pre-alpha" for a *good* reason...
[01:53:32] <meianoite> if you want to play around, be my guest
[01:54:00] <meianoite> but quit reporting this kind of stuff every now and then, mostly because those bugs are well known =/
[01:54:24] <meianoite> and, believe me, there are far bigger issues to tackle first
[01:54:36] <[Beta]> http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=144108950&context=set-72057594136912105&size=o
[01:54:46] <[Beta]> like getting a better framerate in gaming
[01:55:08] <meianoite> GSoC happens NOT to be hiring students to do essential work, but offloading the burden from core devs to tackle these tasks
[01:55:37] <gotaku> meianoite: I was just asking why it would reboot... It's crashed on me before but hasn't rebooted.
[01:55:54] <meianoite> out of sheer randomness?
[01:56:03] <meianoite> maybe it's overwriting a memory area that leads to rebooting
[01:56:09] <meianoite> but it didn't before
[01:56:20] <meianoite> it might be a bad pointer
[01:56:23] <meianoite> might not be
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[01:57:12] <meianoite> this is close-to-the-metal code, not sandboxed, exception-friendly managed code =/ crashing and rebooting will happen all the time
[01:57:33] <MYOB> I've been paid! About 1300 quid less than I should have, however
[01:57:38] <[Beta]> yay
[01:57:40] <gotaku> Hm, BeIDE crashes when trying to open a file.
[01:57:44] <[Beta]> free round.
[01:57:53] <[Beta]> gotaku, try another file.
[01:58:04] <meianoite> heck, haiku is only stable enough to run Charts overnight on a blue moon
[01:58:06] <[Beta]> if it still breaks, goto the dev.haiku-os.org, search for bugs.
[01:58:18] <[Beta]> if its not there, report it with a backtrace.
[01:58:25] <MYOB> if this is emergency tax still I've got two things to do tomorrow
[01:58:29] <[Beta]> reports help. as long as you dont expect them fixed overnight
[01:58:32] <MYOB> 1: shout at finance
[01:58:34] <MYOB> 2: shout some more
[01:58:52] <MYOB> cause I'm gonna want interest on this cash...
[01:59:11] <gotaku> [Beta]: Yeah there is already a bug listed.
[01:59:49] <[Beta]> gotaku, so, find more bugs :P
[02:00:12] <[Beta]> visit bebits, see if you can find an app that needs a function that is missing
[02:00:21] <[Beta]> like Vision did, and OpenTTD, and... etc
[02:00:43] <[Beta]> though thats getting more rare, evil apps using private calls ;p
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[02:00:53] <MYOB> and VLC - about 6 of them
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[02:01:29] <[Beta]> I love VLC, but its so damn awkward and ugly.
[02:01:50] * meianoite pets mplayer
[02:01:52] <MYOB> it... looks like R5's media player...
[02:01:56] <MYOB> (on BeOS)
[02:02:03] <[Beta]> on linux, there's no keyboard navigation in the extended GUI. so I cant control brightness/hue without the mouse
[02:02:13] <[Beta]> space to play only works in fullscreen.
[02:02:15] * meianoite *so* pets mplayer
[02:02:28] <[Beta]> and I've yet to find a way to have a minimal UI. :P
[02:02:35] * meianoite can't quit petting mplayer ;)
[02:02:42] <meianoite> *hint*, [Beta]
[02:02:47] <[Beta]> mplayer, eugh. yet another ugly-as-ass UI :p
[02:02:50] <MYOB> meianoite be careful or else it'll get overexcited and make a mess....
[02:03:28] <gotaku> I like that in Haiku everything tries to be consistent and have the same interface.
[02:03:42] <meianoite> [Beta] at least you can resort to CLI and forget about that sorry attempt at a GUI =/
[02:03:50] <[Beta]> totem is the nearest media player to simple video viewing, and that lacks some basics, like good DVD support (ahh, mplayer2, I miss thee)
[02:04:04] <[Beta]> meianoite, what? i'm a gui using linux supporter :P
[02:04:12] <meianoite> HA-HA. mplayer revenge ;D
[02:04:23] <MYOB> whats that app that dvdnav comes from? Ogle?
[02:05:06] <[Beta]> beats me.
[02:05:51] <gotaku> Is anyone working on getting OHCI working in Haiku?
[02:06:35] <gotaku> I had an old ps/2 mouse around but now I can't find it.
[02:06:55] <[Beta]> for some reason I'm thinking niels asked mmlr if he could finish it off(?)
[02:08:47] <gotaku> Why does Haiku try to rename files on a single click?
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[02:09:10] <shackan> because beos did the same braindead thing
[02:09:20] <MYOB> because BeOS does
[02:09:23] <gotaku> It's so annoying... no I don't what to "Do It".
[02:09:26] <kokito> why is it braindead?
[02:09:27] <MYOB> you click on the icon not the text
[02:09:50] <[Beta]> kokito, because people are used to other things :)
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[02:10:05] <MYOB> next thing we'll here the Alt complaint
[02:10:07] <[Beta]> everyone recalls the single-click files with win98.
[02:10:43] <kokito> [Beta], people can get used to better ways, can't they?
[02:10:54] <gotaku> Why do you press Alt-C instead of Ctrl-C to copy files?
[02:10:55] <[Beta]> kokito, sure can.
[02:11:00] <shackan> kokito, because renaming a file is not a common operation, clicking an item IS, forcing the user to avoid clicking the text (thus reducing the 'clickable estate' in order to support an uncommon action (which would perfectly fit in a contextual menu)) is.. well, braindead
[02:11:15] <MYOB> shackan why would you be single clicking a file though?
[02:11:20] <MYOB> other than a mouse slip
[02:11:25] <MYOB> it doesn't go in immediately
[02:11:32] <MYOB> so moving the file isn't affected
[02:11:39] <MYOB> unless you're exxtreemmellly sloooooowww
[02:12:10] <shackan> maybe haiku was too slow under emulation then :P
[02:12:19] <gotaku> Sometimes my double click is registered as single click, probably because I'm using Vmware.
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[02:13:16] <kokito> shackan, do you really single click for a file operation?
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[02:13:59] <shackan> it's been ages since I've used beos, but I do remember the same annoying thing with the labels going editable all the time
[02:14:12] <shackan> as gotaku said
[02:14:36] <MYOB> I'd forgotten it does that till you mentioned it, as they never "go editable" for me
[02:14:57] <MYOB> you either click and drag a file or double click it
[02:15:28] <kokito> shackan, you don't do a single click for file operation; you click and keep the mouse button down, or double click, in which case the filename does not become editable.
[02:15:59] <Grackle> Heh, I've always liked the mac/beos way of editing filenames.
[02:16:04] <MYOB> I'll let the able hands of kokito explain this, as i need sleep
[02:16:11] <[Beta]> nn MYOB
[02:16:28] <Stargater> MYOB n8
[02:16:28] <MYOB> but I'll just say: Remember BeOS started as Mac-alike not Windows-alike...
[02:16:35] <MYOB> bye
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[02:16:46] <Stargater> beos is mac alike
[02:17:11] <Stargater> +a litel bit windows alike :-)
[02:17:30] <Stargater> deskbar up
[02:17:33] <kokito> Grackle, I guess people are just used to click and press F2 to edit file/folder names, which seems an unnecessaryly too many steps for such a simple operation.
[02:17:40] <Stargater> = win 98
[02:18:26] <Grackle> yeah kokito, I've yet to get used to that even though that's how my window manager does it
[02:18:29] <[Beta]> kokito, I tend to have an issue with single-click rename if I'm selecting a group of files to move/copy. just because I forget to click on the icon :)
[02:18:59] <Grackle> Oh, perhaps it shouldn't go to edit mode if there are other icons selected then.
[02:19:10] <gotaku> I once heard that a member of a UI focus group at apple was offended at "Do It" because he thought it said "Dolt"
[02:19:20] <Grackle> ... :P
[02:20:24] <kokito> [Beta], you don't need to click on the filename or icon when to start selecting multiple icons.
[02:20:32] <gotaku> They had small screens in those days ;)
[02:20:51] <[Beta]> depends how you select em, kokito.
[02:21:02] <kokito> [Beta], click on the white background and drag your mouse.
[02:21:06] <[Beta]> but I dont have an issue with the feature, so ..
[02:21:37] <kokito> [Beta], I am interested to know how it depends on how you select (cause maybe I am missing something). Care to explain? :)
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[02:23:01] <[Beta]> i'm used to select file, (scroll, )hold combining key, select another file.
[02:23:52] <kokito> [Beta], that's true: if you want to use the keyboard to select multiple files, then the edit on single click comes on your way.
[02:24:33] <gotaku> The vector icons look great but why is the perspective slightly off in some of them?
[02:24:49] <[Beta]> but thats just what i'm used to; *shrug
[02:25:04] <[Beta]> gotaku, didnt we answer earlier? because art is art.
[02:25:21] <gotaku> If you answered I didn't see it.
[02:26:14] <gotaku> The only one I don't really like is the Terminal icon. It looks slightly off.
[02:27:53] <Stargater> kokito can you mail it to metroworks , for give the source from BeIDE without criticals code line from metroworks ...?
[02:28:52] <kokito> Stargater, you want me to ask MetroWorks to donate their BeIDE code to Haiku?
[02:29:04] <Stargater> yes
[02:30:04] <gotaku> What reason would they possibly have to do that?
[02:30:14] <kokito> Stargater: and why would they listen to me? :P
[02:31:08] <Stargater> why not , kokito.
[02:31:50] <Stargater> BeIDE is a good product and the BeOS developer community like this
[02:32:27] <Stargater> and when he donate BeIDE to haiku, can developers make this better and better
[02:33:18] <Stargater> and metroworks can donate haiku /* thats cool, googel did it to with soc
[02:33:25] <gotaku> Like I asked, what reason would MetroWorks possibly have to go through the significant trouble of releasing the sourcecode to BeIDE?
[02:36:16] <kokito> Stargater, it is not that simple unfortunately. :)
[02:36:53] <Stargater> kokito the live is not simple, but when we not ask, can we not win ;-)
[02:37:13] <Stargater> kokito and you a master of words to ask
[02:37:31] <kokito> hehe. Yes, I know Stargater; but sometimes you don't need to ask to know the answer. :)
[02:37:48] <Stargater> :-)
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[02:39:27] <gotaku> If I try to install Beos Max it won't overwrite my MBR will it? ;P
[02:39:52] <gravy> gotaku: only if you tell it to
[02:40:16] <Stargater> will yoi install Bootman ? yes/no
[02:40:26] <Stargater> yoi = you
[02:40:57] <umccullough_work> gotaku, you have to manually install "bootman" to overwrite your MBR with beos
[02:41:02] <umccullough_work> and it backs it up when you do that
[02:41:08] <gotaku> Ok thanks.
[02:41:29] <umccullough_work> but ANYONE testing new oses should have the ability to re-create their MBR if needed ;)
[02:41:38] <umccullough_work> it's just one of those things...
[02:45:00] <CIA-17> phoudoin * r20807 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/kits/opengl/direct_mode/GLDirectMode.cpp: Replaced the boring 2D rendering with a colorful spinning 3D cube.
[02:45:54] <DaaT> yay, 3d cube
[02:46:04] <gotaku> 3d effects, fancy.
[02:47:24] <gotaku> Does Haiku have a performance benchmark?
[02:47:45] <Stargater> i think no
[02:48:04] <Stargater> only a gl teepot and here fps
[02:48:25] <[Beta]> what would you be performing, how long until it crashes? :)
[02:48:26] <umccullough_work> for what?
[02:48:27] <Sloar> which of you guys are bidding on the bebox on ebay
[02:48:49] <[Beta]> if it cant build HelloWorld, its unlikely to stand for any sane benchmark tests
[02:48:57] <DaaT> bebox on ebay?
[02:48:57] <[Beta]> lo umccullough
[02:49:02] <[Beta]> link?
[02:49:03] <umccullough_work> [Beta], come now, you KNOW it builds hellworld ;)
[02:49:08] <umccullough_work> helloworld*
[02:49:09] <Sloar> dual 133mhz powerpc bebox
[02:49:12] <[Beta]> gotaku says not!
[02:49:19] <DaaT> link me :)
[02:49:22] <umccullough_work> it does, skoe wrote one
[02:49:23] <[Beta]> maybe he spelt Hello incorrectly...
[02:49:39] <umccullough_work> skoe wrote a whole number guessing game using stylededit and gcc IN haiku
[02:50:04] <Sloar> http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-BeBox-Dual-133-PPC-Computer-with-all-the-bits_W0QQitemZ200100226908QQihZ010QQcategoryZ140076QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[02:50:08] <gotaku> [Beta]: It does compile, sometimes.
[02:50:13] <DaaT> thx
[02:50:14] <[Beta]> http://googlespeaker.com/ oooh
[02:50:29] <umccullough_work> the kernel sucks still, blame geist
[02:50:47] <DaaT> errr... 324GB hdd? :P
[02:50:48] <Stargater> kernel , vm
[02:50:51] <umccullough_work> wow, a bebox in a rock quarry!
[02:50:54] <Sloar> must be a typo
[02:51:02] <DaaT> *nod*
[02:51:06] <DaaT> and it's on pebbles!!
[02:51:15] <gotaku> Modern computers are boring.
[02:51:18] <DaaT> yes, what umccullough_work wrote :)
[02:51:41] <Sloar> i am waiting for one of the new amigas to be released soon
[02:52:28] <Sloar> hope one of you smarter fellow beos users will port haiku to it
[02:52:52] <gotaku> New amigas?
[02:52:57] <Sloar> yup
[02:53:07] <surrounder> that'd be cool
[02:53:13] <Sloar> they have an announcement on their site
[02:53:18] <umccullough_work> gotaku, you should read OSNews :)
[02:53:23] <Sloar> two  new models soon
[02:53:30] <Sloar> both powerpc
[02:53:43] <gotaku> I do. I must have missed it.
[02:53:57] <umccullough_work> was posted there yesterday
[02:54:17] <gotaku> They should add Cell BE chips for fun.
[02:54:46] <Sloar> cell would make for some serious lightwave and video toaster rendering
[02:55:43] <gotaku> They can offer that later since the Cell uses a PPC as the general purpose processor.
[02:59:18] <gotaku> $500 for entry level... I wonder how powerful it will be.
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[03:01:45] <pyCube> <suave jazz voice>..yeaaahhhhhh....</suave jazz voice>
[03:01:50] <DaaT> powerful enough to boot!
[03:02:00] <pyCube> hi DaaT
[03:02:03] <DaaT> hi pyCube
[03:03:03] <DaaT> ugh... 2 am..
[03:03:09] <DaaT> time to log off
[03:03:10] <DaaT> night
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[03:07:22] <gotaku> Speaking of new Amiga hardware:
[03:07:25] <gotaku> http://www.engadget.com/2007/04/24/commodore-debuts-horrendously-overpriced-xx-and-gx-pcs/
[03:08:30] <Sloar> i thought about that
[03:08:51] <Sloar> about getting a commodore pc and try out aros on it
[03:09:37] <gotaku> It work be more fun if they had a C64 form-factor.
[03:10:01] <Sloar> i like the look of the c128d
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[03:13:57] <gotaku> I'm thinking of getting a gp2x
[03:14:20] <Sloar> and run uae?
[03:16:44] <gotaku> And run almost anything.
[03:17:49] <gotaku> Anything from 10 years ago anyway.
[03:23:57] <pyCube> i like a portable mame
[03:24:16] <pyCube> i use my phone for mame way more than i use it as a phone
[03:24:17] <pyCube> hehe
[03:24:40] <pyCube> does it get any cooler than playing defender and digdug while riding a bus to work?
[03:24:55] <shackan> I hope it does
[03:25:28] <pyCube> um.. figure of speech.. hehe
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[03:26:25] * umccullough_work abhors cell phones
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[03:26:49] <pyCube> what i really mean is that mame beats the hell out of lame-o java games and whatnot
[03:27:43] <pyCube> umccullough_work: mine is more about constant sync to my mail, calendar,etc.. as well as IM... i work at home mostly, so its good being in contact with others that i work with
[03:27:52] <pyCube> with mame as a nice perk
[03:28:06] <pyCube> oh, and the portable temrinal for emergency server maint.
[03:28:09] <pyCube> terminal
[03:29:26] <pyCube> if the freedom of working from wherever requires carrying a phone.. then i'll carry a phone
[03:29:49] <pyCube> officey type environs put me into flee, run away to costa rica mode VERY quickly
[03:31:00] <umccullough_work> pyCube, constant sync with mail, calendar, and people is pretty much what I would despise most :)
[03:31:41] <umccullough_work> there is the occasion where it's nice, but otherwise i'd just assume leave my cell phone at home
[03:31:43] <umccullough_work> or at work
[03:31:47] <pyCube> heh,, i have maaged to get a couple layers of filter before mails, meetings, etc get to me
[03:32:00] <pyCube> i pretty much get info that i actually want
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[03:32:38] <pyCube> like, bug/issue/feature requests that actually pertain to me
[03:32:39] <pyCube> hehe
[03:32:44] <umccullough_work> the only thing I really miss is lack of portable internet access - but when i think about it, it's probably best that I don't ahve that ;)
[03:33:12] <pyCube> having portable google maps is nice
[03:33:30] <umccullough_work> i have a GPS with street mapping support for that...
[03:33:39] <umccullough_work> but its limited of course
[03:33:59] <umccullough_work> and it requires that i take it with me ;)
[03:34:12] <pyCube> heh..
[03:34:36] <umccullough_work> I think it's just that I've seriously gone away from carrying any personal gadgets with me... i don't even wear a watch any more
[03:34:49] <umccullough_work> my keys and my wallet - that's all :D
[03:35:04] <pyCube> smae here usually..
[03:35:15] <pyCube> was just recently given this device
[03:35:18] <DeadYak> my main gripe with personal electronics is that companies see it as too much of a license to declare you perpetually on call
[03:35:23] <umccullough_work> what's funny is I find more people forget their wallet or keys before they'll forget their cell phone! :O
[03:35:48] <umccullough_work> DeadYak, precisely - my CEO recently asked if I wanted them to get me a cell
[03:35:53] <umccullough_work> i actually laughed at him ;)
[03:36:21] <umccullough_work> i actually should have taken them up on the offer and simply not carried it when i didn't want to...
[03:36:51] <pyCube> luckily, i am pretty close on a personal level with the ceo and owner.. they protect me pretyt well
[03:38:31] <pyCube> probably doesnt hurt that i am the only dev in the building.. and the creator of their flagship product that they are making a lot of $$ with... personal level aside, they dont want to piss me off.. hehe
[03:40:18] <pyCube> my problem is that i am too nice, and agree to help anybody that asks.. so i tend to bog myself down
[03:42:27] <umccullough_work> pyCube, i have a similar issue :P
[03:42:43] <umccullough_work> after a while i get spread so thin I can't finish anything
[03:43:54] <pyCube> oh man.. the first year this thing was released... released early of course (f'ing salesmen!)..i did everything.. code, servers/deployment, tech support, etc.. was absolutely nuts
[03:44:40] <pyCube> "um.. we sold X Vapor Feature..so can you like, make it do that?"
[03:45:00] <umccullough_work> i've never worked anywhere where that doesn't happen ;)
[03:45:08] <DeadYak> ditto
[03:46:49] <pyCube> costa rica is sounding better all the time
[03:47:54] <pyCube> hehe
[03:51:30] <JonathanThompson> .me meows in encrypted format into the room
[03:51:53] <pyCube> 'costa rica' is my generalization for 'nice mellow place where i can not accidentally participate in crap, and instead grow food and work on my OWN stuff'
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[03:56:29] <ajupiter> eh, i set up an old box 500 MHz box just for building & running Haiku, but i'm starting to think this would've compiled faster In VMWare on my AXP.. :|
[03:57:40] <DeadYak> building it on BeOS is much slower than building it on Linux
[03:59:09] <umccullough_work> ajupiter, i build on a PII500
[03:59:14] <ajupiter> now they tell me.. :P
[03:59:18] <umccullough_work> PIII600 - sorry
[03:59:29] <umccullough_work> ajupiter, really the first build is the worst
[03:59:48] <umccullough_work> once most of the objects are built, only the ones that change are built after that :)
[04:01:07] <JonathanThompson> May your builds be many and long, ajupiter :P
[04:01:14] <JonathanThompson> (as in, that's a sign that things are getting done)
[04:01:27] <JonathanThompson> For better or worse, well, that's a different question :)
[04:01:36] <ajupiter> yeah, i'm really looking forward to getting this build done. the best part about a new OS is the first time you see Your code runing on it :)
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[04:05:11] * JonathanThompson wonders how long before ajupiter experiences his first Haiku double page fault :P
[04:06:27] <umccullough_work> JonathanThompson, i think the double page fault problems are mostly eliminated now
[04:06:42] <JonathanThompson> "Mostly"!=completely.
[04:06:53] <umccullough_work> i haven't seen one in a long time ;)
[04:07:02] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps your computer is the wrong speed :)
[04:07:31] <umccullough_work> i remember axel checking something in not all that long ago that referenced the issue
[04:07:58] <umccullough_work> i wouldn't be surprised if SMP is the culprit I guess :P
[04:08:15] <umccullough_work> wonder how my dual core AMD runs...
[04:08:21] <JonathanThompson> Well, this IS an SMP machine.
[04:08:25] <gotaku> What do I need to do in order to add a new program to the haiku build tree?
[04:08:26] <umccullough_work> i know..
[04:08:40] * JonathanThompson would love to run it on the dual processor, quad-core servers he has at work remotely
[04:08:58] <umccullough_work> gotaku, jamfile...
[04:09:18] <JonathanThompson> It might even get pretty far building stuff, due to having 4 GB RAM on the puppy.
[04:09:53] * JonathanThompson will have at least that much RAM to start when he finally gets a new machine
[04:10:34] <umccullough_work> i find 1-2gb to be plenty for my uses ;)
[04:10:53] <umccullough_work> and the R5/Haiku box only has 256
[04:10:54] <umccullough_work> mb
[04:11:08] <JonathanThompson> That's all this machine currently has.
[04:11:23] <umccullough_work> heh, "barely enough" to build Haiku ;)
[04:11:24] * JonathanThompson has plans for lots-o-ram
[04:11:27] <gotaku> These jam files look pretty complicated ;)
[04:11:43] <umccullough_work> gotaku, quite the contrary... the Haiku jam build system is exceptionally simple
[04:11:54] <JonathanThompson> There's just a lot there, gotaku.
[04:11:55] <umccullough_work> the hard part is figuring out which jam rules you need to use :(
[04:12:29] <umccullough_work> gotaku, best bet is to find an app already in the tree that matches approximately what you're gonna be adding, and steal its jam file ;)
[04:12:54] <umccullough_work> then in the parent directory for the one you're adding, don't forget to modify the Jamfile there to add a SubInclude
[04:12:57] <umccullough_work> for your directory
[04:13:09] <gotaku> Then that's it?
[04:13:16] <umccullough_work> to add a target to the haiku image, you can simply add to UserBuildConfig
[04:13:18] <JonathanThompson> That should be all, foks!
[04:13:48] <umccullough_work> see UserBuildConfig.sample in the trunk/build/jam directory (or wherever it's hidden)
[04:14:13] <umccullough_work> gotaku, i'm assuming you're adding something you've written...
[04:14:19] <umccullough_work> as opposed to porting something
[04:14:23] <gotaku> Yes.
[04:14:42] <umccullough_work> then it should be pretty easy I would think...
[04:16:13] <umccullough_work> crashingapp example in UserBuildConfig.sample is probably closest to what you want
[04:16:25] <umccullough_work> unless you're adding a driver or something
[04:18:23] <umccullough_work> ok, time to go home - bye!
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[04:47:53] <pyCube> hm
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[05:02:29] * meianoite pets himself
[05:02:37] <meianoite> eh. that didn't come out right
[05:02:50] <meianoite> ay, neither did that!
[05:03:03] <meianoite> JonathanThompson must be proud of my recursive puns
[05:03:26] <DeadYak> :P
[05:03:31] * DeadYak pets meianoite
[05:21:46] <meianoite> calzone rocks :D
[05:22:11] <meianoite> bravo, Italia!
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[05:33:08] <kokito> calzone is one of my favorites!
[05:34:36] <DeadYak> haven't had a good calzone in ages
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[05:36:07] <_hugo> ah calzones
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[05:46:59] <meianoite> Hi, CIA-18. how are you today? any commit logs you'd like to share?
[05:47:19] <meianoite> eh. I guess not.
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[06:44:44] <Begasus> g'morning peeps
[06:45:19] <JonathanThompson> Greetings, Begasus
[06:45:38] <Begasus> howdy JonathanThompson
[06:46:03] <pyCube> JonathanThompson: ever wonder about soup stock?
[06:46:20] <JonathanThompson> You caught me polling my computer, in between moving a bunch of stuff around to hopefully get my printer back out of the box and working again, after the move in January.
[06:46:34] <JonathanThompson> Can't say I've worried about it going up or down, pyCube :P
[06:47:08] <pyCube> like, about how much soup it could stock, assuming soup stock could stock soup, of course
[06:47:17] <geist> aww, Fred Fish died
[06:47:38] * JonathanThompson hopes he doesn't fall for that hook, line and stinker (skunk on an outing)
[06:48:55] * JonathanThompson reads about the trippy TRIPS processor via pdf
[06:49:01] <pyCube> i went to school with akid named chuck hale.. i used to ask him how much hail he could chuck if chuck hale could chuck hail
[06:49:33] <pyCube> ...he was way into GEOS on the c64, iirc
[06:49:34] <pyCube> hehe
[06:50:44] <pyCube> i am kindda glad my name isnt a statement or phrase or whatever
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[06:57:21] <umccullough> wtf is a fillet?
[06:57:35] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps it needs only one l?
[06:57:49] * JonathanThompson may still be in CAD terminology mode
[06:58:14] <umccullough> nah, apparently ll is ok
[06:58:24] <JonathanThompson> fillet
[06:58:34] <umccullough> just not used to it :P
[06:58:39] <JonathanThompson> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fillet
[06:59:11] <JonathanThompson> You never know what stuff you're not accustomed to I'll dredge out of the swamp AKA my mind :)
[06:59:11] * umccullough doesn't like fillet's
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[07:12:08] <joejaxx> which nightly build is safe? :P
[07:12:21] <JonathanThompson> The one that doesn't cause any problems :P
[07:12:31] <joejaxx> :P
[07:13:39] <umccullough> the one you build yourself ;)
[07:14:00] <umccullough> joejaxx, it only gets better so just grab the latest
[07:14:38] <joejaxx> ok :)
[07:14:54] <joejaxx> yeah i guess i could build it myself
[07:15:05] * joejaxx adds that to the list of things to do
[07:16:06] * JonathanThompson wonders what the designers of the TRIPS processor were tripping on, and wonders if any is available and if it is legal in Washington state
[07:17:26] <joejaxx> lol
[07:17:51] <JonathanThompson> I downloaded the PDF file linked to by someone on OSNews, and I'm reading it now.
[07:18:31] <JonathanThompson> This thing reads like it was a mad-scientist cross between a verilog design application and a common processor for how it is architected and how you'd have to define programs.
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[07:21:56] <JonathanThompson> It appears that each block of up to 128 instructions executes as though it is a dependency graph that has values plugged in, and when instructions have their inputs fulfilled, they execute, not according to some other order.
[07:22:38] <JonathanThompson> So, place the instructions in any order within that block, as long as the dependencies are defined correctly, you'll get the block executed as the data becomes available from outside that block, or from within.
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[07:29:15] <joejaxx> hmm
[07:29:36] * joejaxx wonders if he should do the install haiku to a partition method
[07:33:01] <joejaxx> btw
[07:33:15] <joejaxx> has anyone ever thought about creating a Haiku HCL?
[07:35:12] <joejaxx> or does one exist already?
[07:35:34] <kokito> I don't think there is one, joejaxx
[07:35:35] <umccullough> joejaxx, there was a wiki page with a supported hardware list
[07:35:35] <umccullough> but it's gone...
[07:36:16] <joejaxx> :(
[07:36:23] * joejaxx should start one
[07:36:48] <joejaxx> i will wait until i install haiku to a partition first
[07:36:58] <joejaxx> the build tools are still checking out
[07:37:29] <umccullough> going to bed - 'night!
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[07:44:29] * JonathanThompson is thankful Okidata designed/implemented their high-end color laser printers to have a reasonable transport solution that allows them to come out the other end still working perfectly.
[07:45:31] * JonathanThompson goes back to reading trippy TRIPS processor documentation
[07:46:09] <joejaxx> where is the haiku wiki now?
[07:46:33] <gravy> there isn't one AFAIK
[07:46:39] <joejaxx> oh
[07:46:45] <joejaxx> that is unfortunate
[07:46:57] * JonathanThompson would love to see Haiku ported to the TRIPS processor, but can tell it'd be... quite a TRIP to accomplish
[07:47:01] <joejaxx> is there a way we could request one?
[07:47:06] <joejaxx> JonathanThompson: haha
[07:47:15] <gravy> well that was part of the change of the new website
[07:47:23] <JonathanThompson> It has 4 address spaces supported by the TLB stuff.
[07:47:30] <gravy> they wanted to remove low quality/redundant information
[07:47:42] <joejaxx> hmm
[07:48:02] <joejaxx> so how would be able to build a HCL efficiently then?
[07:48:03] <gravy> however a wiki is good for somethings...
[07:48:08] <joejaxx> yeah
[07:48:24] * joejaxx looks to see if drupal has a wiki module
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[07:55:47] <JonathanThompson> A network disconnection is about to occur...
[07:56:26] <joejaxx> :(
[07:59:38] <joejaxx> checking out haiku from svn now :)
[08:00:40] <joejaxx> also i did not see a drupal module for a wiki
[08:01:22] <joejaxx> :\
[08:01:33] <kokito> joejaxx, the wiki was not a drupal module
[08:01:40] <joejaxx> i know
[08:02:01] <joejaxx> but they switched to drupal because they wanted intergration
[08:02:08] <kokito> joejaxx, right
[08:02:26] <joejaxx> so i was wondering if they had a drupal module for wiki intergration
[08:02:35] <kokito> and to avoid duplication of content
[08:02:46] <joejaxx> yeah
[08:03:03] <kokito> joejaxx, I believe there is one in development, but was not quite there yet (when I last checked)
[08:03:14] <joejaxx> ah ok
[08:07:05] <joejaxx> kokito: do you know where i can purchase the be book?
[08:10:27] <joejaxx> looks like none of the big sites have it
[08:12:46] <joejaxx> i rather have it in physical paperback form as well :P
[08:12:58] <joejaxx> sometimes it is good to pick up a book :P
[08:13:52] <joejaxx> amazon has the porting unix apps to beos one
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[08:16:52] <kokito> joejaxx, I doubt that you can buy it in print
[08:17:17] <joejaxx> :\
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[08:17:20] <joejaxx> that stinks
[08:17:42] <joejaxx> well atleast they have the porting unix apps to beos one
[08:17:46] <joejaxx> i am going to get that
[08:17:46] <kokito> there are other BeOS books that you may be able to find.
[08:18:01] <joejaxx> oh? what are the titles of those?
[08:18:08] <kokito> hold on
[08:18:17] <kokito> 3. Be ADVANCED TOPICS
[08:18:18] <kokito> 4. Be DEVELOPER'S GUIDE
[08:18:29] <kokito> 2. practical file system design
[08:19:32] <joejaxx> alright
[08:19:35] <joejaxx> thanks
[08:19:40] <joejaxx> i will look for those
[08:20:18] <kokito> there was also this one: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/beosprog/book/
[08:20:27] <kokito> which you can now download in PDF format
[08:21:00] <joejaxx> thanks
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[08:23:00] <Begasus> re
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[08:32:16] <kokito> joejaxx, here is the Drupal wiki module: http://tech.aph.org/mm/wiki/Main_Page
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[09:15:13] <_hugo> ah, yes
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[09:34:27] <kokito> goodnight folks
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[10:07:39] <Begasus> morning guys ;)
[10:10:00] <Ingenu> lo
[10:12:34] <Begasus> anyone an idea why R5 doesn't seem to take this?
[10:12:37] <Begasus>  UNAME=$(shell uname)
[10:12:38] <Begasus>  ifeq ($(UNAME), BeOS 5.*)
[10:13:02] <Begasus> not even with 'uname -a'
[10:13:19] <Begasus>  UNAME=$(shell uname)
[10:13:20] <Begasus>  ifeq ($(UNAME), BeOS 5.*)
[10:13:21] <Begasus>  	TRACKER_GREP_TARGET = BeOS
[10:13:21] <Begasus>  else
[10:13:21] <Begasus>  	TRACKER_GREP_TARGET = Zeta
[10:13:22] <Begasus>  endif
[10:13:30] <Begasus> that should explain a bit more ;)
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[10:25:16] <CIA-18> axeld * r20808 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/thread.c:
[10:25:16] <CIA-18> The thread context was destructed a bit too early: if a team was killed (or didn't
[10:25:17] <CIA-18> close all of its file descriptors), code outside of the core kernel would be executed
[10:25:18] <CIA-18> in the descriptor's close/free hooks.
[10:25:20] <CIA-18> Since the semaphore timeout code, and send_data()/receive_data() rely on the
[10:25:24] <CIA-18> thread being available in the thread hash, they wouldn't work anymore.
[10:25:26] <CIA-18> This fixes bug #1168. Thanks to Marcus for providing such a nice test case :-)
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[10:37:50] <raph_ael> hello
[10:38:21] <Begasus> hi
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[10:41:41] <raph_ael> :)
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[11:02:27] <myob> just ran Spybot S&D on a machine with 1935 issues!
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[11:18:30] <Ingenu> ^^
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[11:24:32] <Begasus_bbl> bbl
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[12:31:25] <mmu_man> ahh, the video
[12:31:38] * mmu_man will finally see how horrible he looks on tape :)
[12:35:28] <myob> who?
[12:35:45] <[Beta]> numerica, mmu_man ?
[12:35:48] <mmu_man> yes
[12:35:54] <[Beta]> :D
[12:40:57] <mmu_man> aw
[12:41:01] <mmu_man> 3MB/photo
[12:41:13] <mmu_man> I probably never saw myself so big :D
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[12:47:30] <CIA-18> axeld * r20809 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/bfs/ (Index.cpp Inode.cpp):
[12:47:30] <CIA-18> * Changed Inode::WriteAttribute() so that it no longer reads from the old
[12:47:30] <CIA-18>  attribute when its size was 0 - this also fixes calling Index::Update()
[12:47:30] <CIA-18>  with invalid values, and therefore bug #1178.
[12:47:30] <CIA-18> * Style cleanup: honour 80 column limit a bit more, use doxygen style comments.
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[12:53:16] <CIA-18> axeld * r20810 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/bfs/r5/Inode.cpp:
[12:53:16] <CIA-18> * Backported r20809 to the R5 version of BFS.
[12:53:16] <CIA-18> * Note that r20809 also fixes a bug in Inode::GetAttribute() - it could clobber
[12:53:16] <CIA-18>  the attribute parameter and still fail (which could create problems in WriteAttribute()).
[12:53:23] <myob> right, so who else wants to push for Waltercon Europe?
[12:54:53] <myob> [Beta]: come on you know you want to :P
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[12:57:49] <ajupiter> where do you get flex for R5?
[12:59:24] <Thom_Holwerda> myob: how about amsterdam :D
[13:01:32] <myob> Thom_Holwerda: the 'dam is fun, but theres too many temptations :P
[13:01:49] <Thom_Holwerda> i want it because that's where my university is :D
[13:02:13] <myob> Dublin is a major conference location tehse days
[13:02:29] <Thom_Holwerda> yes but its on an island
[13:02:36] <Thom_Holwerda> which means lots of costs for any people
[13:02:41] <Thom_Holwerda> many*
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[13:07:23] <ajupiter> teh build requires flex & bison (and i'm assuming parser.hpp belongs to one of these(?)), but all i can find is bison..
[13:08:07] <[Beta]> myob, depends which "Europe" it is ;)
[13:11:34] <Thom_Holwerda> ok, gtg earn a living
[13:11:35] <Thom_Holwerda> ttyl
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[13:45:23] <myob> [Beta]: I'm still pushing for .ie ;)
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[13:56:29] <mmu> http://public.adan.asso.fr/public/NUMERICA07_conference_Haiku_operating_system_divx.avi (796MB)
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[14:06:14] <DaaT> damn..
[14:07:33] <CIA-18> axeld * r20811 /haiku/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Added block_cache_sync_etc() that allows you to sync single blocks.
[14:11:25] <CIA-18> axeld * r20812 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/bfs/Inode.cpp: Now makes use of the new block_cache_etc() function to sync data streams without a file cache attached.
[14:12:09] <[Beta]> ty mmu
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[15:04:56] <gotaku> What's with the default Terminal colour scheme? ;P
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[15:09:13] <[Beta]> huh, black on white?
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[15:11:07] <mmu> so, what's with it ? :)
[15:12:54] <gotaku> No, the colours.
[15:13:04] <gotaku> Like when you call ls
[15:13:13] <gotaku> Light blue on white.
[15:13:14] <mmu> ah
[15:13:16] <mmu> dircolors
[15:13:31] <[Beta]> yes, very ugly.
[15:13:34] <mmu> one more thing I want to add to the theme manager in zeta
[15:14:11] <gotaku> I don't really think Haiku wants "themes" does it?
[15:14:19] <mmu> prob is they are quite limited (to 16)
[15:14:35] <raph_ael> mmu: things are still being developped for zeta ?
[15:14:40] <[Beta]> mmu, can we not extend that ?
[15:15:04] <mmu> xterm-color supports omre (256 at least)
[15:15:07] <[Beta]> terminal colour codes are soo 80s
[15:15:38] <Ingenu_> I want Haiku like BeOS R5.1d0*
[15:15:43] <Ingenu_> network profiles
[15:15:45] <Ingenu_> themes
[15:15:50] <gotaku> I think everything should have a consistent look so I'm not a fan of crazy window decoration themes. A color scheme manager would be fine though I think.
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[15:27:53] <gotaku> Hey MYOB, you friend made another post on hist blog ;)
[15:27:57] <gotaku> your
[15:29:02] <gotaku> http://lucky13.blogsavy.com/2007/04/24/haiku-propaganda-and-haiku/
[15:29:16] <gotaku> Something is definitely wrong with him.
[15:31:12] <mmu> doesn't even deserve an answer
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[15:33:28] <MYOB> gotaku: he'd done that last night
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[15:36:06] <MYOB> he is, however, obsessed
[15:36:14] <MYOB> and has a worrying thing for baltic teenagers
[15:36:24] <MYOB> which I'm sure is probably a known paraphilia :P
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[15:40:36] <bga> http://www.thinkgeek.com/haiku/?cpg=51H
[15:46:23] <gotaku> paraphila? Is that a love of ghosts?
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[15:58:27] <sebpayne> i was looking for a bit of help
[15:58:40] <sebpayne> i've had quite a lot of experience with BeOS R5 many years ago
[15:58:51] <sebpayne> and i'm just trying to get Firefox running in VMWare Haiku
[15:59:01] <sebpayne> i have a second disk image that is clear and formated
[15:59:17] <sebpayne> i'm unsure which copy of Firefox to download from BeBits - the one for R5 or Dano?
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[17:55:56] * _hugo hums
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[17:59:03] <Yez> _hugo is that a happy hum or a bored hum or a working hard "hummin' right along" kinda hum?
[17:59:25] <_hugo> a bit of all :-)
[17:59:30] <Yez> cool
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[18:02:44] <DaaT> oi _hugo, tudo bem?
[18:02:53] <_hugo> DaaT: mais ou menos, vai-se andando
[18:03:51] 
[18:04:25] <_hugo> :-)
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[18:12:45] <CIA-18> axeld * r20813 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/file_systems/bfs/Inode.cpp: Don't try to write back symlinks that don't have a data stream. This fixes bug #1179.
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[18:15:03] <jonaskirilla> Any developer around who is familiar with Zeta?
[18:16:17] <jonaskirilla> Is __ZETA__ defined by Zeta's makefile engine?
[18:17:29] <MauriceK> i think it was somewhere in a header, but don't remember which one... simply grep through them
[18:18:29] <jonaskirilla> I don't have Zeta, but I need to make something compile on both BeOS and Zeta, and there will need to be differences in the source as well as the makefile.
[18:18:46] <MauriceK> hm...
[18:18:58] <jonaskirilla> Another question: what's the short uname in Zeta? (just 'uname')
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[18:23:33] <_hugo> something is borked between berlios and cia it seems
[18:24:25] <jonaskirilla> _hugo: SVN at r20814, CIA at r20813 ?
[18:24:36] <_hugo> aye
[18:24:40] * mmu thinks he needs to stop saying "hmmm" on video
[18:24:43] <DeadYak> or CIA's lagged?
[18:25:46] <_hugo> perhaps
[18:25:54] <_hugo> uh, need to shave
[18:26:03] <DeadYak> I heard they shaved a gorilla
[18:26:05] <jonaskirilla> new video?
[18:26:21] <_hugo> eheh, my face is gorilla-ish right now
[18:26:25] <_hugo> good thinking accessory
[18:26:39] <jonaskirilla> hehe
[18:26:44] <DeadYak> _hugo: I was quoting the Simpsons :P
[18:26:51] <_hugo> oh
[18:27:19] * _hugo strokes his beard
[18:27:43] <jonaskirilla> fragmented pop culture
[18:28:09] <DeadYak> the episode where Homer went to the all you can eat restaurant if you care :P
[18:28:29] <_hugo> which one? the captain's restaurant?
[18:28:36] <mmu> bga got the file ?
[18:28:37] <DeadYak> yes :P
[18:28:38] <_hugo> oh!
[18:28:39] <CIA-18> hugosantos * r20815 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/protocols/tcp/ (EndpointManager.cpp TCPEndpoint.cpp): tiny TCP cleanups
[18:28:42] <_hugo> i remember the quote
[18:28:44] <DeadYak> "Sir! He's eating the plastic lobsters!"
[18:28:50] <_hugo> in the end
[18:28:52] <DeadYak> "Arr, that be not a man, but a remorseless eating machine!"
[18:28:53] <_hugo> someone refers to homer like that
[18:28:58] <DeadYak> yeah :P
[18:29:01] <_hugo> :-)
[18:29:03] <DeadYak> Bottomless Pete :P
[18:29:07] <_hugo> yeah, eheh
[18:29:08] <bga> mmu: Which file?
[18:29:13] <DeadYak> umm
[18:29:16] <DeadYak> did CIA just skip 20814?
[18:29:20] <_hugo> DeadYak: yep
[18:29:27] <mmu> [14:01] <mmu> http://public.adan.asso.fr/public/NUMERICA07_conference_Haiku_operating_system_divx.avi (796MB)
[18:31:56] <Yez> so, when can we port Haiku to my GP2x?
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[18:35:03] <soapdog> Hello Friends! :D
[18:35:12] <mmu> when someone capable gets one :)
[18:35:59] * DeadYak pets mmu
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[18:36:09] <mmu> bbl
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[19:00:54] <CIA-18> axeld * r20816 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/terminal/ (7 files):
[19:00:54] <CIA-18> * Rewrote terminal ID code to use a temporary file - this fixes bug #1174.
[19:00:54] <CIA-18> * Tried to fix the usual deadlock on quit, but suspending the thread (to
[19:00:54] <CIA-18>  interrupt read()) doesn't have the expected outcome (might be a kernel
[19:00:54] <CIA-18>  bug).
[19:00:55] <CIA-18> * Removed superfluous MENU_FILE_QUIT and send a B_QUIT_REQUESTED instead.
[19:00:56] <CIA-18> * Cleanup.
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[19:07:18] <sebpayne> hey is there anyone around atm?
[19:08:15] <gravy> meep
[19:08:30] <sebpayne> hi grazy - i was looking for some advice
[19:08:40] <sebpayne> i'm wanting to perform some simple usability tests on Haiku
[19:08:55] <gravy> yes
[19:09:08] <sebpayne> i've been trying to get Firefox working without much luck
[19:10:04] <gravy> last I knew ff wasn't really usable on haiku... the mouse didn't work properly
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[19:11:21] <sebpayne> yeah i've read that too
[19:11:26] <sebpayne> brb phone!
[19:11:35] <gravy> sebpayne: did you have a specific problem though?
[19:11:40] <sebpayne> yes
[19:11:53] <sebpayne> sorry be back in a moment - phone call
[19:12:00] <gravy> sure
[19:12:56] <TTRanger> JonathanThompson How's it going?
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[19:18:11] <DaaT> hey TTRanger, JonathanThompson, kokito
[19:18:21] <CIA-18> korli * r20817 /haiku/trunk/ (68 files in 20 dirs): updated freetype to 2.3.4
[19:20:57] <kokito> ola DaaT
[19:21:18] <SiCuTDeUx> kokito, holitas!!!
[19:21:30] <kokito> hola colega
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[19:29:35] <Sil2100> Hi
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[19:31:58] <sebpayne> gravy: i'm back
[19:32:14] <gravy> welcome :)
[19:32:29] <sebpayne> what i did was - get the build for BeOS R5 from BeBits, downloaded using wget in Haiku
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[19:32:43] <sebpayne> added the things to the path
[19:32:48] <sebpayne> when i run it from the command line
[19:32:49] <sebpayne> it says
[19:33:02] <sebpayne> runtime_loader: Troubles handling dynamic section
[19:33:10] <sebpayne> or when i run it from Tracker, it says 'Bad Data'
[19:34:25] <gravy> hmmm, I think you're problem is out of my league
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[19:34:42] <sebpayne> it's something quite major i think
[19:35:08] <sebpayne> i was trying to get BeGadu running too but it comes in pkg format
[19:35:16] <sebpayne> is there any way of accessing the pkg format from Haiku
[19:35:21] <sebpayne> like extracting the contents?
[19:35:38] <gravy> I don't think so
[19:35:56] <gravy> unless software vallet runs under haiku
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[19:36:13] <gravy> otherwise you must install it under r5 and then copy across
[19:36:41] <sebpayne> i was thinking of that but getting R5 running isn't easy
[19:36:46] <sebpayne> Max edition is so cramed full of crap
[19:38:11] <sebpayne> or there is the live cd :-D
[19:38:16] <gravy> yeah, it's tricky... luckily I have comaptible hardware
[19:39:22] <sebpayne> ah VMWare for me :)
[19:40:12] <sebpayne> i've very excited by Haiku - it's lookign so damn cool
[19:40:22] <sebpayne> love the clean and consistent UI
[19:41:20] <CIA-18> hugosantos * r20818 /haiku/trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): introduced SocketAddress wrappers and use them in TCP.
[19:41:42] <CIA-18> hugosantos * r20819 /haiku/trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): added Recv-Q/Send-Q output to netstat.
[19:44:52] <gravy> *grumble* stupid ftp is shaped here
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[19:49:38] <kokito> oi _hugo, tudo bem?
[19:51:06] <_hugo> kokito: eheh, sim :-)
[19:51:26] <_hugo> kokito: i never know how much portuguese i can use
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[19:52:13] <kokito> as much as you like: worst case, I will not understand you, which is very unlikely anyway, as Spanish is my mother tongue :P
[19:52:40] <_hugo> kokito: there is a bunch of stuff you probably wont understand, as is the case with me and spanish :-)
[19:53:11] <_hugo> estava um lindo dia, mas nao um em que ela pudesse correr pelo prado desalmada.
[19:53:29] <TTRanger> kokito Hugo just asked if you have a yellow tuxedo
[19:53:35] <_hugo> :-)
[19:53:36] <kokito> I can understand that _hugo :)
[19:53:49] <_hugo> kokito: eheh
[19:53:54] <kokito> aqui tambien hace un lindo dia _hugo
[19:54:06] <_hugo> kokito: thats understandable as well
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[19:56:18] <Begasus> hi kokito ;)
[19:56:19] <TTRanger> kokito "here we have a pretty day?"
[19:56:26] <Begasus> 'lo TTRanger
[19:56:29] <TTRanger> hi
[19:56:51] <kokito> hello Begasus
[19:56:59] <TTRanger> kokito won't talk to me  :-/
[19:57:09] <kokito> TTRanger, "here we *also* have a pretty day" :)
[19:57:17] <TTRanger> well I was close  :-)
[19:57:19] <Begasus> resolved ;
[19:57:26] <kokito> sorry TTRanger; old brain, slow multitasking.
[19:57:29] <TTRanger> hehe
[19:57:44] <TTRanger> kokito How old are you?
[19:57:53] * kokito hides...
[19:57:56] <_hugo> :-D
[19:58:01] <TTRanger> There's some controversy about who wears the crown for the most ancient in here.
[19:58:02] <Begasus> rofl
[19:58:11] <Begasus> I vote for TTRanger
[19:58:17] <kokito> TTRanger, without any doubt, that's me :P
[19:58:24] <Begasus> as I heard his age earlier :)
[19:58:27] <TTRanger> Ok, so you're....  ____  ?
[19:58:35] <kokito> older than you :P
[19:58:42] <TTRanger> Begasus tell the world
[19:58:49] <Begasus> TTRanger = 51
[19:58:58] <Begasus> so now you guys know :P
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[19:59:22] <kokito> that's older than me, but I bet you don't have two grandchildren TTRanger :P
[19:59:25] <TTRanger> kokito still think you win the prize  :-)
[19:59:34] <TTRanger> kokito youve got me there.
[19:59:37] <Begasus> that doesn't count kokito :P
[19:59:38] <TTRanger> I'm still waiting
[19:59:53] <Begasus> I hope they wait for a while here too ;)
[19:59:56] <kokito> I'm almost 49 (tomorrow is my birthday)
[19:59:58] <TTRanger> kokito but then, I didn't get married when I was 12, either.  :-P
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[20:00:28] <TTRanger> kokito so tambien means also, right?
[20:00:31] * DaaT waits for a piece of cake tomorrow.. *points at kokito*
[20:00:39] <DeadYak> TTRanger: yup.
[20:00:49] * DeadYak bakes DaaT
[20:00:52] <TTRanger> hehe
[20:00:57] <DaaT> i'm no good to eat
[20:00:58] <kokito> TTRanger, got married young, but not that young
[20:01:03] * TTRanger puts a fork in DaaT to see if he's done yet
[20:01:07] <TTRanger> kokito j/k
[20:01:11] <DaaT> iykes
[20:01:16] <DaaT> and yikes :P
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[20:01:46] <Begasus> rofl
[20:01:47] <kokito> DaaT, no cake: I am on a diet. :P
[20:01:56] <DeadYak> see food diet?
[20:01:58] <DaaT> kokito: i didn't say you had to eat cake. It's for the rest of us
[20:01:59] <_konrad> Whats up!?
[20:02:00] <Begasus> you too? ;)
[20:02:01] <TTRanger> does anyone have any contact with the BeOS Max guy?
[20:02:02] <DaaT> who put up with you
[20:02:03] <DaaT> :P
[20:02:07] <DaaT> hi _konrad
[20:02:11] <_konrad> Hi DaaT
[20:02:15] <DeadYak> TTRanger: vasper? not me
[20:02:17] <Begasus> that's vasper TTRanger ;)
[20:02:19] <TTRanger> right
[20:02:22] <DaaT> TTRanger: not contact, but you can always go to his site
[20:02:37] <TTRanger> I keep e-mailing him but maybe I'm ending up in the junk.
[20:02:44] <DaaT> you're not THAT old
[20:02:49] <Begasus> LOL
[20:02:50] <TTRanger> PPPPPPPPP
[20:02:54] <DaaT> you still have 2... 3 good years left in you
[20:02:55] <Begasus> yep he is :P
[20:02:58] <DaaT> with some Viagra of course
[20:03:02] <TTRanger> sigh
[20:03:03] <_hugo> DaaT: that's cruel
[20:03:09] <DaaT> ok ok, 4 years
[20:03:24] <DaaT> trust me _hugo, i _know_ TTRanger
[20:03:26] <DaaT> :PPPPPPPPPPPP
[20:03:29] <_hugo> :>
[20:03:30] * DaaT pets TTRanger
[20:03:36] <DaaT> gently, so he doesn't break
[20:05:02] <_konrad> Visiting sweden anytime soon DaaT?
[20:05:29] <DaaT> inviting me _konrad? :)
[20:05:35] <DaaT> i have vacation in september
[20:05:36] <DaaT> :D
[20:05:44] <_konrad> youre invited then
[20:05:46] <_konrad> =)
[20:05:53] <DaaT> cool, i'll talk to my gf tonight
[20:05:55] <DaaT> :)
[20:06:01] <_konrad> Really, if you wanto to come, we can arrange that
[20:06:15] <DaaT> i appreciate it :)
[20:06:19] <DaaT> really nice of you
[20:06:20] <_konrad> Both of you offcourse
[20:06:29] <DaaT> :)
[20:06:57] <TTRanger> phone, that's why I'm silent here
[20:07:02] <DaaT> where in sweden are you?
[20:07:10] <DaaT> ahhh TTRanger, I thought you were pouting at me :)
[20:07:17] <TTRanger> nope
[20:07:20] * TTRanger doesn't pout
[20:07:26] * TTRanger just slaps with wet trout
[20:07:50] * DaaT waits for it (the trout)
[20:07:57] <DaaT> nice rhyme btw TTRanger :)
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[20:12:10] <Meanwhile> hello Haikuclubbers
[20:12:42] <Begasus> hoi Meanwhile ;)
[20:12:50] <DaaT> hi
[20:12:53] <Meanwhile> hi
[20:12:56] * DaaT slaps Begasus
[20:13:06] <Begasus> what did I do now!!?
[20:13:08] <DaaT> you got tekno to say "peeps" now... shame on you
[20:13:15] <Begasus> LOL
[20:13:24] <Begasus> finaly !!! :P
[20:13:52] <Begasus> well small price to pay to be able to compile Tracker Grep G in R5 and Zeta :p
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[20:14:06] <Begasus> ermm .. he wasn't in that ... hhehe
[20:14:27] <AndyBe> is it possible, to compile haiku on debian, (crosscompiling ?) needs of ?
[20:14:56] <AndyBe> or any chance to run it on my I GByte engine again?
[20:15:00] <Begasus> should be AndyBe
[20:15:05] <AndyBe> hm
[20:15:10] <Begasus> look at the docs at haiku's site
[20:15:15] <AndyBe> I will.
[20:15:21] <Begasus> there should be a crosscompiler IIRC
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[20:15:48] <AndyBe> as I know it is allready in the tree....
[20:16:52] <AndyBe> My biggest problem in he past was the broadcom 440 networkcard on beos (build out my 512 MB)
[20:17:56] <AndyBe> there are no fixes at this moment as I can see. (IRQ Problem - can not asign an irq for it)
[20:18:27] <Begasus> is there support for APIC in Haiku?
[20:18:37] <Begasus> if so maybe that could help out ...
[20:19:28] <CIA-18> korli * r20820 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/media/media-add-ons/multi_audio/MultiAudioDevice.cpp: open() fails with -1
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[20:22:38] <AndyBe> be back..
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[20:23:37] * DaaT slaps Begasus
[20:23:44] <DaaT> go click on ico's google ads
[20:23:45] <DaaT> :P
[20:24:01] <Begasus> you go first on zeta-games ....
[20:24:02] <Begasus> hehe
[20:24:15] * DaaT heads over
[20:24:36] <Begasus> we made about 2$ this month :))
[20:24:50] <DaaT> done
[20:24:53] <DaaT> cool
[20:24:54] <Begasus> if we can brake even to pay the host it's good enough ;)
[20:24:54] <DaaT> :)
[20:25:09] <DaaT> ico's past payment was... a year ago, april 1st
[20:25:10] <DaaT> :D
[20:25:22] <Begasus> I already use the RSS feed for ICO there ;)
[20:25:29] <Begasus> whoops ;)
[20:25:32] <DaaT> lol
[20:25:45] * DaaT removes all feeds!
[20:25:46] <DaaT> :P
[20:25:54] <Begasus> hehe
[20:25:59] <DaaT> well, so far in april.. $2.25
[20:26:03] <Begasus> well those link back to you :p
[20:26:10] <Begasus> nice!
[20:26:13] <DaaT> 2.33 in march :P
[20:26:29] <DaaT> nothing this past week... tsk tsk
[20:26:36] <Begasus> hehe
[20:26:42] <Begasus> well one today :d
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[20:26:56] <DaaT> :)
[20:27:06] <gotaku> Hey guys.
[20:27:09] <DaaT> hi
[20:27:13] <Begasus> hi gotaku
[20:27:14] <kokito> DaaT, do they pay by the # of impressions?
[20:27:21] <DaaT> yes
[20:28:13] <Begasus> well .. over 11.000 visitors so far ... not to bad ;)
[20:28:20] <DaaT> :)
[20:28:22] <Begasus> and they can't all be from me :P
[20:28:31] <DaaT> kokito: and they pay when it reaches $100
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[20:28:52] <Begasus> w00t .. that could take some years then .....
[20:28:56] <DaaT> lol
[20:28:57] <DaaT> yeah
[20:29:00] <[Beta]> Google AdSense must be broken !
[20:29:01] <Begasus> hi rgb
[20:29:11] <rgb> hi all
[20:29:17] <Begasus> or they'r not paying enough :D
[20:29:20] <DaaT> :)
[20:29:37] <Begasus> DaaT also got Google search installed?
[20:29:41] <DaaT> nope
[20:29:45] <DaaT> had it for a while, wasn't worth it
[20:29:46] <[Beta]> ICO shows me "Windows and Doors", "Anglian Double Glazing", "MSI software installation" :P
[20:29:49] <DaaT> in the old ICO
[20:29:50] <Begasus> could get you some more maybe ;)
[20:29:54] <[Beta]> I cant click them!
[20:29:55] <Begasus> ah k
[20:29:56] <DaaT> [Beta]: see? software!!! :D
[20:30:09] * DaaT wonders what the hell is anglian double glazing
[20:30:16] <[Beta]> windows :p
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[20:31:02] <pikapika> hello
[20:31:14] <Begasus> hi pikapika
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[20:32:09] <[Beta]> DaaT, you use "insulated glazing" ?
[20:32:20] <DaaT> wow, may 1st 2006 almost $5! :)
[20:32:31] <DaaT> [Beta]: i do? maybe if I knew what it was...
[20:32:32] <pikapika> hi Begasus
[20:32:33] <DaaT> :P
[20:32:37] <Begasus> wow DaaT
[20:32:38] <[Beta]> damnit :P
[20:32:39] <Begasus> ;)
[20:32:59] <[Beta]> what're your windows made with, cling film ?
[20:33:17] <Begasus> gates ;)
[20:33:20] <DaaT> windows?
[20:33:23] <DaaT> my hut has no windows
[20:33:27] <DaaT> just some holes
[20:34:10] <[Beta]> thats why you have the sheep flock so near to the hut...
[20:34:23] <CIA-18> korli * r20821 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/media/media-add-ons/multi_audio/ (4 files): code style
[20:34:32] <DaaT> right by its side
[20:34:37] <DaaT> handy
[20:34:40] <DaaT> (pun intended)
[20:35:29] <[Beta]> lol, there's a "Double Glazing Insulating Glass Blog"
[20:35:52] <DaaT> insulation for blogs?
[20:35:54] <DaaT> must be a google thing
[20:36:14] <[Beta]> reading it must be paneful.
[20:36:29] <DaaT> :)
[20:37:04] * Meanwhile runs from puns
[20:37:17] <DaaT> tsk tsk... wuss
[20:40:57] <Meanwhile> in a way, yes
[20:42:05] <Meanwhile> BTW, can anybody make sense of this: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rrvvww/HaikuScreen2.png ?
[20:42:42] <DaaT> not I, sorry
[20:42:59] <korli> Meanwhile: type 'bt' to display the backtrace :)
[20:43:23] <Meanwhile> ok, and then?
[20:43:24] <korli> and open a bug on app_server
[20:43:56] <korli> preferably with a way to reproduce :)
[20:44:30] <Meanwhile> I'm afraid I can't reproduce that, since that Haiku partition now has PhOS on it.... :S
[20:45:06] <Meanwhile> Yes I give up easily...
[20:45:40] <MrSolsken> you my good sir is not a good person
[20:45:45] <korli> Meanwhile: then remember what to do next time
[20:46:18] <Meanwhile> ok...type bt...open bug...
[20:46:26] <Meanwhile> noted
[20:46:39] <Meanwhile> and thanks, korli
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[20:51:23] <Stargater> hi all
[20:53:34] <pikapika> hi Stargater
[20:55:02] <Stargater> hi pikapika
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[20:55:33] <Begasus_bbl> laters
[20:55:40] <CIA-18> hugosantos * r20822 /haiku/trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): use Chaining in OpenHashTable.
[20:55:46] <CIA-18> hugosantos * r20823 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/protocols/tcp/tcp.cpp: fixed a nice C-induced issue which was making us rewrite stuff.
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[21:22:02] <CIA-18> hugosantos * r20824 /haiku/trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): moved the storage requirements (i.e. ParentType *) to OpenHashTable's Definition which we now instantiate per OpenHashTable.
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[21:26:11] <Begasus> re
[21:28:31] <CIA-18> hugosantos * r20825 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/system/kernel/slab/Slab.h: updated test_slab to use the new OpenHashTable's API.
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[21:54:05] <TTRanger> bga
[21:54:36] <CIA-18> hugosantos * r20826 /haiku/trunk/src/tests/system/kernel/slab/Slab.h: test_slab: moved the Backend independent HashCacheStrategy operations to BaseHashCacheStrategy so we don't end up with multiple instantiations of the same code.
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[22:08:43] <hUMUNGUs> Did anyone get that Haiku Numerica thing ? Care to share ?
[22:09:14] <joejaxx> hmm?
[22:10:11] <Begasus> http://public.adan.asso.fr/public/NUMERICA07_conference_Haiku_operating_system_divx.avi
[22:10:14] <Begasus> ;)
[22:11:42] <hUMUNGUs> thanks Begasus
[22:11:47] <Begasus> np
[22:11:50] <Begasus> nice vid btw ;)
[22:12:20] <hUMUNGUs> it doesnt start to download..
[22:13:41] <Begasus> link seems correct here
[22:13:49] <Begasus> asks me if I want to download
[22:14:05] <hUMUNGUs> really.. weird..
[22:15:19] <joejaxx> downloads for me
[22:15:36] <hUMUNGUs> it worked in IE.. not FF.
[22:15:44] <[Beta]> anyone downloaded http://public.adan.asso.fr/public/Conference%20Haiku.zip ? I would, but i'm torrenting :)
[22:15:45] <hUMUNGUs> oh well, its coming baby .. :-)
[22:15:46] <Begasus> ?
[22:15:51] <Begasus> that's weird ;)
[22:15:53] <[Beta]> not sure what it is either.
[22:16:12] <hUMUNGUs> slooooow download..
[22:16:18] <MrSolsken> 20kbps :)
[22:16:24] <Begasus> is that the same one [Beta]?
[22:16:27] <Begasus> hehe
[22:16:31] <[Beta]> Begasus, cant be, too small !
[22:16:34] <[Beta]> 97mb iirc
[22:16:39] <joejaxx> says 25 hours for me
[22:16:49] <MrSolsken> 16
[22:16:50] <MrSolsken> _=
[22:16:50] <Begasus> earlier I got almost 200kbs ;)
[22:16:51] <MrSolsken> :)
[22:17:01] <[Beta]> same here Begasus :)
[22:17:08] <Begasus> my NIC s*cks on this laptop ....
[22:17:22] <Begasus> so I have to download at the pc ...
[22:17:50] <gotaku> Downloading now...
[22:17:52] <[Beta]> have to say they cranked the bitrate up on that talk; it could've been half the size without many noticing (visually, not bandwidth..ly).
[22:18:01] <gotaku> 795MB!?
[22:18:28] <joejaxx> wow it is 800mb?
[22:18:30] <[Beta]> gotaku, 42 minutes :)
[22:18:52] <[Beta]> its big
[22:18:53] <gotaku> That means I have to wait about an hour to watch it.
[22:19:03] <Begasus> yep
[22:19:08] <Begasus> hehe
[22:19:14] * joejaxx cancels
[22:19:21] <joejaxx> it says 26 hours for me to wait
[22:19:24] <joejaxx> :P
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[22:19:25] <gotaku> Actually after it gets to under 42 minutes then I can stream it from start to finish.
[22:19:35] <Begasus> took some shots with the cam ... hope they are ok ... ;)
[22:19:40] <[Beta]> Stream #0.1: Audio: pcm_s16le, 48000 Hz, stereo, 1536 kb/s
[22:19:46] <[Beta]> erm, that doesnt look right
[22:19:53] <Begasus> and maybe do a post on BeBUG later/tomorrow then ;)
[22:20:02] <MikeW> someone stick it on google video
[22:20:38] <Begasus> is it already linked on the haiku site?
[22:21:00] <joejaxx> oh that is the Google Haiku Talk one?
[22:21:05] <[Beta]> no Begasus
[22:21:22] <[Beta]> MikeW, 800mb upload? :/
[22:21:39] <MrSolsken> what is Slab?
[22:21:49] <Begasus> no joejaxx ... it's a talk mmu_man aka francois held at NUMERICA
[22:22:31] <joejaxx> oh ok
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[22:22:58] <[Beta]> right. is anyone else uploading it to google video?
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[22:23:45] <Begasus> not me ...
[22:23:57] <[Beta]> first question is, whats the license of the video ?
[22:24:00] <Begasus> with this connection it would take a few days ;)
[22:24:37] <Begasus> I think you better ask mmu himself that ;)
[22:24:50] <Begasus> or the guys from numerica
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[22:26:12] <[Beta]> i'll wait to bump into mmu then
[22:27:11] <Begasus> offline from 6 pm today ....
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[22:35:10] <[Beta]> mmu_man, do you know anything about the license of your numerica video ? (ie, who should be contacted for permission to upload to google video, etc)
[22:35:30] <Begasus> there he is ;)
[22:35:45] <[Beta]> lets hope an answer beckons.
[22:35:54] <mmu_man> I'll ask for it
[22:36:07] <[Beta]> ty
[22:36:46] <mmu_man> as for me I'm ok :)
[22:37:20] <Begasus> mmu_man nice vid ... ;)
[22:37:31] <Begasus> although you seem to have a prob with your hands ;)
[22:37:37] <[Beta]> LOL
[22:37:43] <[Beta]> flappy?
[22:37:48] <Begasus> hehe
[22:38:01] <Begasus> I geuss it's a french thing ;)
[22:38:08] <mmu_man> maybe the wristwrap they put on us so we don't escape :)
[22:38:16] <[Beta]> i'll say nothing
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[22:38:43] <Begasus> lol
[22:39:14] <[Beta]> I thought it was a shame more questions werent asked.
[22:39:44] <mmu_man> I suppose teh audience was expecting less tech stuff
[22:39:49] <mmu_man> I tried not to add too much
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[22:40:05] <stargater> re
[22:40:12] <Begasus> they were nummed you mean mmu_man? :P
[22:40:13] <mmu_man> also I think it was announced as being in french, so I suppose they didn't think about asking in french
[22:40:25] <Begasus> ;)
[22:40:56] <[Beta]> they'll be enough eye candy for them next year :)
[22:40:57] <mmu_man> I was asked to do in english becaus eit was broadcasted, and I thought it was clear to everyone so I didn't remind them :)
[22:41:12] <DaaT> there will?
[22:41:13] <mmu_man> shrug, eye candy
[22:41:30] <[Beta]> no theming/OS stuff, just more visual things to show.
[22:41:35] <DaaT> there will?
[22:41:36] <DaaT> :P
[22:41:55] <[Beta]> bloody well should be. :p
[22:43:54] <DaaT> "should" being the operative word
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[22:51:45] <gotaku> Define "visual things".
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[22:58:16] <CIA-18> marcusoverhagen * r20827 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/media/media-add-ons/dvb/ (DVBMediaNode.cpp MediaFormat.cpp): improved stream format detection
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[22:58:52] <dr_evil> at least I hope so, it's untested ;)
[22:58:55] <_hugo> dr_evil: is the dvb card you wrote the drivers for DVB-T or DVB-C? or both?
[22:59:36] <_hugo> ah :-/
[22:59:51] <dr_evil> Pascal wrote a driver for -S card, perhaps he will release it, I have to ask
[23:00:00] <dr_evil> but it's not yet working on haiku
[23:00:15] <_hugo> i only have DVB-C available, thats why i was asking
[23:00:57] <DaaT> you have dvb-c?
[23:00:59] <DaaT> we do?
[23:01:00] <DaaT> :P
[23:01:28] <_hugo> DaaT: tvcabo uses DVB-C
[23:01:36] 
[23:01:49] 
[23:01:55] <_hugo> DaaT: e a parte satelite e' dvb-t salvo erro
[23:02:08] <DaaT> ah ok
[23:02:13] <_hugo> DaaT: tens tvcabo, e box?
[23:02:33] <DaaT> sim e sim
[23:03:02] <_hugo> se fores `a qualidade de sinal, ou a um dos paineis de configuracao, ja nao sei qual, ele menciona dvb-c
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[23:03:32] <DaaT> a ver se me lembro :)
[23:03:46] 
[23:04:03] <_hugo> DaaT: fui ver, n mencionam dvb-c, mas as frequencias e o facto de falarem de PIDs e' consistente
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[23:04:19] <DaaT> ok, disso percebes tu mais que eu :) acredito
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[23:04:29] <MrSolsken> tycker iallafall jag
[23:04:30] * mmu_man needs to write a driver for his freebox :)
[23:04:39] <mmu_man> (mostly rtsp client, it's mpeg2 in)
[23:04:47] <mmu_man> (or get rtsp support in vlc)
[23:04:59] <_hugo> mmu_man: doesnt vlc support rtsp?
[23:05:06] <mmu_man> it does
[23:05:08] <mmu_man> not on beos
[23:05:11] <_hugo> ah
[23:05:12] <mmu_man> because R5 never supported it
[23:05:20] <mmu_man> BONE has the #defines but doesn't implement it
[23:05:29] <mmu_man> and NICs don't support setting MACs
[23:05:52] <mmu_man> rtsp doesn't strictly requires mcast though
[23:05:55] <_hugo> but rtsp is just a control protocol, you seem to be talking about multicast
[23:05:58] <_hugo> yeah
[23:06:05] <mmu_man> vlc can be built with either a lib or its own code, and one needs mcast
[23:06:14] <mmu_man> livesomething
[23:06:29] <mmu_man> live333 ?
[23:06:31] <mmu_man> anyway
[23:06:39] <korli> dr_evil: hi
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[23:08:05] <LinuxKeitaro> hello there
[23:08:21] <LinuxKeitaro> I am using Revision 20395 according to "About Haiku"
[23:08:25] <LinuxKeitaro> in VMWare - downloaded about 2 wks ago
[23:08:34] <LinuxKeitaro> where can I find the internet browser?
[23:09:11] <korli> dr_evil: did you try the fix for the free hook ?
[23:09:19] <mmu_man> LinuxKeitaro not yet written :)
[23:09:28] <mmu_man> you can try to use a mozilla/firefox from BeOS
[23:09:35] <mmu_man> or any other browser from BeOs (NetPositive)
[23:10:13] <LinuxKeitaro> mmu_man - and am I not in a paradox?  How do I get firefox or net+ if I have no internet? q;o)
[23:10:34] <mmu_man> well you can download from another OS :P
[23:10:35] <mmu_man> or use wget =)
[23:10:38] <mmu_man> or ftp
[23:11:01] <mmu_man> or ask someone to DCC :))
[23:11:10] <LinuxKeitaro> haha
[23:11:18] <Yez> has anyone gotten Firefox to work on Haiku?
[23:11:23] <LinuxKeitaro> well, I know how to use wget.....where do I find these apps?
[23:11:30] <korli> mmu_man: we could put a bookmark to Firefox from bebits, and associate it with wget :)
[23:11:31] <Yez> I have tried a couple of times but it refuses to start
[23:11:41] <korli> I mean on the desktop
[23:11:54] <mmu_man> LinuxKeitaro http://bebits.com :)
[23:12:01] <korli> Yez: I had no success
[23:12:02] <mmu_man> korli right
[23:12:16] <mmu_man> with Terminal even
[23:12:21] <mmu_man> I can do that in urlwrapper :))
[23:12:28] <LinuxKeitaro> ok, I'll give that a shot mmu
[23:12:28] <korli> Yez: try an older version
[23:12:36] <mmu_man> it should use it if it's in by default
[23:12:37] <Yez> how old korli?
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[23:13:26] <mmu_man> how big is lynx or links anyway ?
[23:13:29] <mmu_man> we could add that to svn =)
[23:13:34] <_hugo> no
[23:13:36] <_hugo> please
[23:13:39] <_hugo> :-)
[23:13:40] <Yez> heh
[23:13:58] <mmu_man> yes :))
[23:14:00] <mmu_man> oh w8
[23:14:01] <_hugo> has anyone given a shot to webcore? does it require objective C to compile?
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[23:14:08] <mmu_man> we'll have XEmacs anyway
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[23:14:12] <mmu_man> it has W3 :D
[23:14:34] <mmu_man> _hugo dunno, how is that Nirvana thing going ?
[23:14:59] <mmu_man> korli which omz works btw ?
[23:15:03] <mmu_man> R5 or bone ?
[23:15:10] <_hugo> mmu_man: don't know what Nirvana is, besides Buddhism that is :-)
[23:15:11] <mmu_man> (neither worked last time I tried with 2.x)
[23:15:13] <korli> dunno
[23:15:27] <korli> bone is supposed to work
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[23:16:35] <mmu_man> http://nirvana.berlios.de/index.htm
[23:16:50] <dr_evil> Begasus you havwe a broken keyboard controller, bug #1175 is a hardware error, can you test a workaround?
[23:16:51] <_hugo> ah
[23:17:05] <Begasus> in what way dr_evil?
[23:17:14] <Begasus> I'm typing on the laptop atm
[23:17:35] <Begasus> so it's not a prob in zeta nor windows
[23:17:40] <Begasus> or linux for that matter
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[23:18:06] <dr_evil> the d3 comamnd is supposed to loopback the next written data byte as if it came throught aux
[23:18:13] <Begasus> but if you have something for me to test I'll test it ;)
[23:18:25] <dr_evil> you controller does this with not only the next, but all following bytes
[23:18:46] <Begasus> should also mention that when I use the usb keybaord some stuff is really weird ...
[23:19:06] <Begasus> shifting desktops for instance ....
[23:19:15] <dr_evil> I hope that sending an ae command before using the data port again will fix that problem
[23:19:18] <Begasus> Alt-F1 goes to the second Desktop
[23:19:22] <dr_evil> i can't help you with usb
[23:19:29] <dr_evil> thats a different bug
[23:19:34] <Begasus> no .. just wanted to mention ;)
[23:20:17] <Begasus> dr_evil ... even typing simple things like "ls" in Terminal is not possible atm
[23:20:45] <dr_evil> with usb or ps2 or what? you are confusing me
[23:21:11] <Begasus> ps2
[23:21:49] <Begasus> well nothing works on the keyboard (internal) on the laptop so far
[23:21:50] <dr_evil> yes I know. have a look at http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/1175#comment:3
[23:22:12] <Begasus> yes .. got the mail earlier today
[23:22:17] <Begasus> thnx for looking into this
[23:22:48] <dr_evil> the keybord controler reset ff is lost, so the keyboard isn't detected
[23:22:50] <Begasus> note ... the stuff doesn't tell me anything .. but I'm not the dev ;)
[23:22:58] <Begasus> strange though ...
[23:23:24] <dr_evil> what hardware vendor is it?
[23:23:46] <Begasus> fujitsu siemens laptop ...
[23:23:51] <Begasus> amd ...
[23:24:01] <Begasus> need to check the specs to find out more
[23:24:06] <Begasus> it's the wife's laptop
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[23:24:48] <Begasus> is there a way to find out any specifics on the keyboard?
[23:24:58] <Begasus> although that should be delt with internaly ...
[23:25:01] <dr_evil> not requires
[23:25:03] <dr_evil> required
[23:25:08] <Begasus> k
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[23:25:38] <Begasus> did sia* also filled in a bug report?
[23:25:43] <Begasus> as he had the same prob ...
[23:26:42] <dr_evil> no he didn't (yes I'm disappointed)
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[23:26:45] <Begasus> could Haiku work with the zeta ps2 busmanager?
[23:26:54] <dr_evil> stop that!
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[23:26:56] <Begasus> I could dig up the R5 one also to test ...
[23:27:43] <mmu_man> BeOs never had any ps2 bus manager
[23:27:47] <mmu_man> it was all inside the driver itself
[23:28:00] <Begasus> k thnx mmu_man
[23:28:49] <CIA-18> marcusoverhagen * r20828 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/ps2/ps2_common.c: Workaround for bug report #1175. This is hardware bug.
[23:29:03] <dr_evil> Begasus please try that file
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[23:30:01] <Begasus> I can't compile the busmanager here dr_evil ...
[23:30:14] <Begasus> that's why I use the one sia* mailed me ...
[23:30:51] <dr_evil> yes that one was with debug info turned on. it wasn't supposed to work
[23:30:56] <Begasus> if you could compile and mail me the bin I'll be happy to test ...
[23:31:02] <Begasus> yep found that out later
[23:31:25] <mmu_man> open "application/x-vnd.haiku.urlwrapper" http://127.0.0.1/toto
[23:31:28] <mmu_man> oh yes it would work :)
[23:32:08] <Ingenu> night
[23:32:13] <Begasus> night Ingenu
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[23:33:22] <Begasus> 'lo emitrax
[23:33:39] <emitrax> hi all
[23:33:42] <emitrax> hi Begasus
[23:33:44] <dr_evil> Begasus my R5 compatible machine is in a terrible state after yesterdays dvb driver debugging...
[23:34:15] <Begasus> ah k ... mmu_man? <vbg>
[23:34:18] <Begasus> ;)
[23:34:24] <mmu_man> ?
[23:34:32] <Begasus> or someone that compile the busmanager for me ;)
[23:34:40] <mmu_man> ah
[23:34:44] <mmu_man> dano here
[23:34:53] <Begasus> w00t :P
[23:34:56] <mmu_man> TARGET_PLATFORM=dano jam ps2
[23:34:57] <mmu_man> ?
[23:35:07] <dr_evil> should do
[23:35:10] <mmu_man> well zeta but it doesn't matter
[23:35:18] <mmu_man> don't know how to make ps2
[23:35:28] <dr_evil> hmm
[23:35:36] <dr_evil> platform should be haiku
[23:35:44] <emitrax> since you are talking about compiling
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[23:36:04] <mmu_man> well thought he wanted to test on beos :)
[23:36:09] <Begasus> r20828 build not online yet ...
[23:36:18] <mmu_man> yes ok I'll do, just need to wait for svn up to actually do soemthing
[23:36:20] <Begasus> on Haiku mmu_man
[23:36:23] <dr_evil> I'm cleaning up and updating the r5 machine right now, but that will take some time
[23:36:24] <emitrax> what's the option to declare a macro with jam ?
[23:36:47] <Begasus> as the prob only appears in Haiku atm
[23:37:40] <mmu_man>  [revol@Zeta /Data/haiku/trunk]# lal *.o |wc -l
[23:37:41] <mmu_man>  248
[23:37:46] <mmu_man> hmm something fishy here
[23:37:59] <mmu_man>  -rw-r--r--  1 revol users  15120 Apr 14 17:37 vm_page.o
[23:37:59] <mmu_man>  -rw-r--r--  1 revol users   2200 Apr 14 17:37 vm_store_anonymous_noswap.o
[23:38:00] <mmu_man>  -rw-r--r--  1 revol users   1540 Apr 14 17:37 vm_store_device.o
[23:38:02] <Begasus> wc? ;)
[23:38:03] <mmu_man> wtf
[23:38:09] <mmu_man> Word Count
[23:38:15] <mmu_man> (-Lines)
[23:38:17] <Begasus> ;)
[23:38:25] <mmu_man> how come I have all those obj files in here ???
[23:38:41] <Begasus> I shure didn't put them there :P
[23:39:05] <mmu_man> didn't eithyer
[23:39:17] <Begasus> must be a hacker then :P
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[23:41:14] <Begasus> re hUMUNGUs
[23:41:20] <hUMUNGUs> hey Begasus
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[23:46:48] <Begas_> who pulled the plug? ;)
[23:47:36] <mmu_man> hmm where is teh coding guideline ? can't fidn it in doc/
[23:47:37] <dr_evil> this is taking way too long, I think ill finish for today
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[23:47:55] <korli> night all
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[23:48:00] <Begas_> night kokito
[23:48:06] <Begas_> whoops ...
[23:48:08] <Begas_> ;)
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[23:48:26] <judgen> w00t
[23:48:29] <judgen> =)
[23:48:42] <judgen> so, hows everyone hanging?
[23:49:27] <kokito> night Begasus
[23:49:38] <Begasus> typo kokito ;)
[23:49:47] <Begasus> was ment for korli ;)
[23:50:16] <dr_evil> hmm, I really would like to see the new tv icon before going to sleep and working 9 hours tomorrow...
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[23:51:04] <judgen> hi dr_evil
[23:51:17] <judgen> dr_evil: its been a while
[23:51:21] <mmu_man> just pet stippi
[23:51:36] <judgen> mmu_man: stippi is a natural talent
[23:51:45] <dr_evil> I don't remember your nick judgen
[23:51:49] <Begasus> not familiar with Icon O Matic atm ...
[23:52:07] <judgen> i would never have figured out to use a popcorn bin as an icon for a moviplayer
[23:52:16] <mmu_man> it would be nice to have the source files for the icons around in svn though
[23:52:22] <judgen> dr_evil: arent you mr overhagen?
[23:52:29] <mmu_man> sicne we only get the hex code
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[23:52:48] <mmu_man> but if we want to reuse part of them you can't open that with iconomatic
[23:52:50] <mmu_man> :-(
[23:53:13] <dr_evil> judgen yes
[23:53:28] <judgen> mmu_man: stippi will probably release them in free format soon enough, so im not worried
[23:54:42] <judgen> dr_evil: ive been very inactive the last year or so. though we had an ver y interesting conversation on SATA connection a few years back =P
[23:54:50] <judgen> two maybe
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[23:55:47] <judgen> dr_evil: you did work on the auvia driver for BeOS didnt you?
[23:56:03] <DeadYak> auvia was Jerome Duval I thought
[23:56:25] <dr_evil> i wrote the intel driver, ich_ac97
[23:56:43] <judgen> dr_evil: the company of mine went bankrup due to loss of demand. But it was an very successful buisness.
[23:57:00] <judgen> dr_evil: yeah thats it
[23:57:04] <Begasus> hi judgen!
[23:57:07] <judgen> DeadYak: yeah
[23:57:14] <judgen> hi Begasus , long time!
[23:57:19] <Begasus> yeah ;)
[23:57:34] <Begasus> how's live treating you?
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[23:57:59] <judgen> Begasus: i have to survive on 200k eur for a year =)
[23:58:14] <DaaT> so it's treating you good :)
[23:58:16] <judgen> Begasus: so im not complaining
[23:58:23] <DaaT> hi btw :)
[23:58:24] <Begasus> ;)
[23:58:29] <DaaT> (was away playing Wii)
[23:58:36] <Begasus> have to do with less here ;)
[23:58:37] <judgen> though after that i dont know, as my company went under
[23:58:51] <judgen> DaaT: i want a wii
[23:59:00] <DaaT> buy it, it's cheap :)
[23:59:11] <Begasus> sheep?
[23:59:13] <judgen> DaaT: true, but my time isnt...
[23:59:20] <DaaT> ahhh
[23:59:22] <judgen> hahaha
[23:59:30] <DaaT> you're a sick, sick person Begasus
[23:59:31] <DaaT> :P
[23:59:43] <Begasus> I blame it all on you DaaT! :P
[23:59:52] <judgen> DaaT: sorry for not posting any new in a while, ive been busy with the sale of my company

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