[00:00:05] <meianoite> (which, incidentally, is what my original design resembles the most, at least WRT the data structures used)
[00:00:12] <geist> that's correct
[00:00:25] <meianoite> why that number in particular?
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[00:00:36] <geist> for newos? no idea
[00:00:42] <geist> i just picked it out of the air
[00:00:47] <meianoite> heh
[00:01:06] <meianoite> I don't know if you happened to read the logs when I explained what my algorithm did
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[00:03:41] <meianoite> anyway, I just implemented it differently, in the sense that it could just jump right in the middle of the priority instead of skipping the first few, each with that probability of being skipped
[00:04:02] <meianoite> your routine tends to reach zero pretty quick
[00:04:26] <meianoite> which is not a bad thing, I'm just observing the behaviour
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[00:05:06] <meianoite> (I mean: the probability that it decides to stop skipping tends to zero rather quickly)
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[00:06:31] <meianoite> what I'd like to know now is how do you feel about starvation
[00:06:48] <meianoite> what you generally do to avoid it (skipping, I know)
[00:06:49] <Thom_Holwerda> o...k
[00:06:58] <[Beta]> 'lo again Thom
[00:07:02] <Thom_Holwerda> hi
[00:07:03] <meianoite> whether you have tried other strategies
[00:07:22] <Thom_Holwerda> is this like #annorexia or something?
[00:07:24] <meianoite> hi Thom
[00:07:45] <meianoite> geist?
[00:07:50] <DeadYak> anorexia? :P
[00:07:56] <DeadYak> hmm
[00:08:01] * DeadYak tries to think up an anorexia haiku
[00:08:07] <Thom_Holwerda> oh god i am so brainless 99% of the time
[00:08:18] <mmu_man> oh my, don't start on that
[00:08:30] <DeadYak> on what, anorexia or brainlessness?
[00:08:43] <mmu_man> just here on TV the talk show is about "do we have to always make a diet ?"
[00:08:48] <geist> hmm?
[00:08:53] <DeadYak> mmu_man: :P
[00:09:04] <geist> the skipping the queues is purely because i was copying what beos did
[00:09:14] <geist> i have not done that again, I generally consider that to be a bad design
[00:09:20] <meianoite> Pretty skinny girls,
[00:09:23] <meianoite> if they take it too far
[00:09:26] <meianoite> they end up dead
[00:09:31] <geist> therefore I have no real opinion of it
[00:09:37] <meianoite> (a little morbid, but that's gotta do it)
[00:10:03] <meianoite> hm
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[00:10:34] <meianoite> so you neither like it, not have devised other means of avoiding starvation so far?
[00:10:38] <meianoite> *nor
[00:10:55] <JamesB192> inthe year 10191 size -1 models are the norm. (she skeletons in swimsuits)
[00:11:10] <geist> the way to avoid starvation is to have a real dynamic scheduler
[00:11:24] <geist> which i have done in other projects
[00:11:33] <geist> for embedded stuff, I tend to prefer static schedulers (like lk)
[00:11:34] <geist> because
[00:11:36] <meianoite> ones that do boosting and lowering of priorities dynamically, right?
[00:11:50] <geist> you had pretty much better know how your threads are going to run
[00:11:53] <geist> that's correct
[00:12:04] <meianoite> k.
[00:12:11] <geist> for the danger os I had a pretty standard dynamic scheduler
[00:12:44] <meianoite> is there any way to gather such knowledge when you don't know the kind of semaphores a given thread stops at?
[00:12:50] <geist> the newos scheduler i generally consider to be a placeholder until a point in time at which there was another load to write a real one
[00:12:57] <geist> unforunately the haiku folks copied it :)
[00:13:26] <meianoite> like... sem A belongs to disk I/O, sem B belongs to serial I/O, sem C is waiting on a plain jane message port
[00:13:35] <geist> that's probably overkill
[00:13:46] <meianoite> that's just an example
[00:14:09] <geist> but it it was to be done, I'd probably make that be an extra argument to acquire_sem_etc, so that the caller can hint what kind of boosting to give it
[00:14:20] <geist> and thus if it's in disk code, it can boost differently from the serial driver
[00:14:23] <geist> but it's probably overkill
[00:14:32] <meianoite> what I'd really like to know is what would Brian Boitano^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H you do
[00:14:34] <geist> and i wouldn't expose that to user space
[00:15:01] <meianoite> hm...
[00:15:14] <meianoite> I see
[00:15:23] <meianoite> well, the idea is the same
[00:15:28] <meianoite> to give the scheduler some hints
[00:15:41] <meianoite> only your implementation ain't stupid ;)
[00:16:24] <geist> or I guess it could be an argument to create_sem
[00:16:33] <geist> so you can set what kind of boost to give threads that block on it
[00:16:55] <meianoite> eh, that's exactly what I meant to say before...
[00:17:00] <geist> but for now a static boost would be fine
[00:17:04] <geist> say, 3 priority levels
[00:17:10] <meianoite> axeld told me *not* to mess around these things
[00:17:12] <geist> and then the aging rate may be one level per quantum, or something
[00:17:27] <meianoite> but perhaps I'll have to, eventually
[00:17:35] <meianoite> for R2 maybe
[00:18:01] <meianoite> the other thing I've been thinking about is a "goodness" function. I don't know if you're familiar with the way Linux does it, but I'm considering basing myself solely on quantum consumption ratio
[00:18:43] <meianoite> *myself = my algo
[00:18:50] <meianoite> as in
[00:19:14] <geist> no idea. dont really have any time to talk about this too deeply right now
[00:19:15] <geist> at work
[00:20:05] <meianoite> if it blocks quickly and only consumes a small (TBD) fraction of the quantum, it's a thread that's easily movable across CPUs, but if it does use larger fractions of the quantum, then there are probably lots of working set related data on the cache already, so transfering it might not be wise
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[00:29:18] <mmu_man> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/NewOS :)
[00:30:19] <mmu_man> hmm geist what's teh status on the arm port ?
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[00:32:51] <geist> mmu_man: didn't get too far
[00:33:02] <geist> i had stubbed out a bunch of the arm bits, got it to sort of load and then stopped
[00:33:51] <stargater> hi the_webers_inc
[00:34:03] <mmu_man> I saw branches/arm-port
[00:34:06] <meianoite> guys
[00:34:11] <meianoite> I'm off to meet my mentor ;)
[00:34:19] <meianoite> any messages for BGA?
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[00:34:56] <mmu_man> "don't slap too hard on him"
[00:35:15] <mmu_man> you'll tell us how nice his basement is :)
[00:35:19] <meianoite> o_O
[00:35:20] <meianoite> hehe
[00:35:26] <meianoite> he has none :)
[00:35:36] <mmu_man> the secret one :p
[00:35:43] <stargater> it missed a about http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Travis_Geiselbrecht&action=edit
[00:35:44] <meianoite> and that's probably why he slacks that much
[00:36:02] <meianoite> well, gotta go now. bye!
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[00:47:27] <mmu_man> zz
[00:53:06] <the_webers_inc> hi Stargater
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[01:00:43] <koki_haiku> hello
[01:01:03] <mmu_man> hi
[01:01:05] <mmu_man> and bye
[01:01:09] <mmu_man> need to sleep :)
[01:01:16] <koki_haiku> ciao :)
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[01:05:31] <Pulko__Mandy> +++
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[01:27:27] <Yez> koki?
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[01:35:32] <koki_haiku> yes Yez?
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[02:16:36] <Grackle> Why is it that BeOS thinks my drives are SCSI?
[02:16:58] <Grackle> It (zeta) installed and booted fine, but the device is listed under /dev/disks/scsi
[02:17:12] <Grackle> /dev/disk/scsi, rather
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[02:26:15] <DeadYak> Grackle: SATA?
[02:26:22] <Grackle> Nope.
[02:26:28] <Grackle> IDE
[02:26:32] <DeadYak> IDE replacement driver?
[02:27:10] <Grackle> Well it's Zeta 1.2, does it use the IDE replacement driver?
[02:27:13] <DeadYak> yeah
[02:27:26] <DeadYak> that's because the IDE driver there implements the IDE devices on top of the SCSI layer
[02:27:26] <Grackle> Oh, okay.
[02:28:24] <DeadYak> a lot of OSes do that nowadays
[02:28:32] <DeadYak> just implement all storage devices on top of the SCSI layer
[02:30:03] <Grackle> Oh, hm. I knew linux did that with some stuff, I didn't realize other operating systems did it too.
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[02:33:13] <dtravis7> seen it in 2k and XP a lot
[02:33:25] <dtravis7> with SATA drives and some IDE's on PCI controlers
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[02:44:22] <DeadYak> that's partly because a lot of those newer controllers actually speak SCSI internally
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[02:51:07] <Grackle> Wooooo. Haiku runs on my PCChips M810D
[02:51:15] <Grackle> This is awesome.
[02:51:58] <Grackle> I wasn't able to write to any of the other partitions, so I just blasted away the rootfs (which was nothing important).
[02:52:03] <Grackle> And it worked.
[02:52:19] <Grackle> I'll set up linux with grub to chainload Haiku.
[02:53:02] <Grackle> The tracker is very slow, but we know that.
[02:54:45] <CIA-17> hugosantos * r20748 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/protocols/tcp/ (5 files): (log message trimmed)
[02:54:45] <CIA-17> some TCP performance improvements.
[02:54:45] <CIA-17>  - support TCP fast retransmit/fast recovery.
[02:54:45] <CIA-17>  - maintain the RTT average time and update the retransmit timeout accordingly.
[02:54:45] <CIA-17>  - improvements to TCP Slow start / congestion avoidance.
[02:54:47] <CIA-17>  - better handling of the retransmission timer.
[02:54:50] <CIA-17>  - properly size segments taking the TCP options length into consideration.
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[03:53:26] <Grackle> Where should UserBuildConfig go?
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[04:05:58] <Grackle> Hmm, how up to date are these logs? *refreshes*
[04:06:44] <Grackle> Wee, only about a minute old.
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[04:53:37] <umccullough> hi BryanV :)
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[04:58:33] <BryanV> Hi umccullough!
[04:58:45] <umccullough> how're things going ? ;)
[04:59:57] <BryanV> quite well, you?
[05:00:48] <umccullough> not too bad
[05:00:58] <umccullough> i'm just updating my haiku webserver to the latest rev ;)
[05:01:44] <BryanV> :-)
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[05:06:06] <JonathanThompson> Hi guys!
[05:08:52] * JonathanThompson taps microphone, "Is this thing on?"
[05:09:57] * JonathanThompson wonders how MYOB could ever pronounce the documentation Be provided as "complete" :)
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[05:20:48] <umccullough> geist, you alive?
[05:20:58] * JonathanThompson sticks a fork() in him
[05:21:20] <JonathanThompson> If he has a kid, has he really just called spawn_thread()?
[05:21:49] * JonathanThompson wonders if there's such a thing as body mass for catholic weighlifters...
[05:23:22] <_hugo> umccullough: latest rev as in 20748?
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[05:25:20] <Deej575> Yez: you in here?
[05:25:41] <JonathanThompson> And if he answers "Noz"?
[05:26:01] <Deej575> :P  Seeing if he's paying attention.
[05:26:11] <Deej575> How you doing JonathanThompson?
[05:26:28] <JonathanThompson> Other than wanting to do something nasty to the company of my previous apartment complex, ok.
[05:26:46] <JonathanThompson> If they weren't doing their best to commit fraud and extortion, it'd be nicer.
[05:27:11] <Deej575> Ugh.  Doesn't sound fun.
[05:27:15] <JonathanThompson> If you ever have to rent an apartment, and if mine is an example, don't EVER rent something owned by BRE Properties.
[05:29:03] <Deej575> Due to a divorce, I'm stuck in a house I can neither sell for what I owe, nor afford reasonably with one income.  :(
[05:30:10] <JonathanThompson> Seems likely an apartment is in your future, then.
[05:30:44] <JonathanThompson> And in a lot of the country, the housing market is really soft, to put it mildly.
[05:30:51] <JonathanThompson> That's not the case in THIS area, though.
[05:30:59] <Deej575> Making it by now, barely - so holding on to a reasonable credit score.  I'm hoping to stay away from renting, due to tax writeoffs.  ;)
[05:31:14] <Deej575> Housing in denver is in the mud.
[05:31:48] <JonathanThompson> I had no choice in end of 2004/early 2005 but to move out here from Indianapolis.
[05:32:05] <Deej575> where are you at now?
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[05:32:19] <JonathanThompson> Mercer Island, WA, between Seattle and Bellevue/Redmond.
[05:32:35] <JonathanThompson> And houses/housing prices are rising here quickly.
[05:33:09] <Deej575> I looked up there for a job when I moved from Hawaii, but ended up in CO... like it here though.  Hehe, they are dropping something terrible out here.
[05:33:20] <JonathanThompson> I don't know what my current credit score is, but between a chapter 7 bankruptcy and foreclosure 2 years ago, I'm sure my name is mud.
[05:33:50] <JonathanThompson> I left Indianapolis with my last job there being a pizza delivery driver.
[05:34:07] <JonathanThompson> My skillset wasn't very employable in Indianapolis at that time.
[05:34:10] <Deej575> mine's dropped by some 50 points since the divorce... but holding now.  Should be okay if I can ever walk away from this place (and better off month to month too)  ;)
[05:34:56] <JonathanThompson> I think for most people in the US with the housing market, it's better to be in an apartment right now for mobility.
[05:35:21] <JonathanThompson> I couldn't possibly have sold my house and not ended up upside down because of all the other foreclosed properties in my neighborhood at the time.
[05:35:44] <JonathanThompson> If you can imagine a family neighborhood with probably easily 5% of the houses in the process somewhere, several empty...
[05:35:49] <JonathanThompson> And a lot of others for sale otherwise.
[05:36:22] <JonathanThompson> A house on one side of me sat empty probably a year before I relocated, and they were asking more for it than the market would bear.
[05:36:42] <JonathanThompson> Another one less than 6 houses away was boarded up and forecllosed on at the same time.
[05:37:18] <JonathanThompson> (I had someone with an address there wanting pizza: they hadn't updated their address with the pizza place... grumble grumble...)
[05:37:19] <Deej575> I may need that mobility factor here in a couple of months... my employers contract is coming to a close in the next 6 months, so there's a slightly unsure future...
[05:37:37] <JonathanThompson> I'm on my third employer in 7 months here.
[05:37:47] <JonathanThompson> But the job market is actually hot here if you are competent.
[05:38:08] <JonathanThompson> And apparently a lot of people in this area prefer to go from contract to contract.
[05:38:15] <JonathanThompson> What's your background?
[05:38:26] <JonathanThompson> Where I'm at, they're desperate for people with the right background :)
[05:38:32] <umccullough> _hugo, yes :)
[05:38:50] <umccullough> _hugo, i wanted geist to test that change you made in 20735
[05:38:51] <Deej575> Computer Security.
[05:38:56] <JonathanThompson> Furthermore, they'd prefer to hire full-time, butg try you out on contract.
[05:39:06] <umccullough> _hugo, but your performance enhancements appear to work also
[05:39:11] <JonathanThompson> Hmmm... probably not much use at the division I'm working in, then.
[05:39:22] <Deej575> :)
[05:39:27] <Deej575> Thanks for thinking of it though.  :)
[05:39:34] <JonathanThompson> :)
[05:39:39] <umccullough> Deej575, you in haiku right now?
[05:40:02] <Deej575> I've done programming (qubit), sysadmin, networking and security for many, many years now.
[05:40:20] <JonathanThompson> How's your C/C++?
[05:40:26] <JonathanThompson> And database/scripting experience?
[05:40:36] <Deej575> umccullough: no, still having the radeon driver killing both R5 and Haiku within 5 minutes... actually on ubuntu right now while rebuilding r5 yet again on another attempt.
[05:40:39] <_hugo> umccullough: can you put a big file (picture) in the web server
[05:40:43] <_hugo> umccullough: for me to test something please?
[05:40:56] <umccullough> _hugo, I can give you 200kb image ;)
[05:41:03] * JonathanThompson notes umccullough has wittingly or otherwise become a Haiku lab rat :)
[05:41:08] <umccullough> since it's only 144kbp, i wouldn't recommend much bigger :P
[05:41:15] <_hugo> umccullough: 200kb is ok
[05:41:20] <umccullough> JonathanThompson, it started off a test, and it continues to be one ;)
[05:41:25] <umccullough> _hugo, hold on
[05:41:30] <Deej575> JonathanThompson: sketchy anymore... that was what 6 years ago at qubit... working on building that all back up again though  ;)
[05:41:36] * DeadYak meeps
[05:41:41] * JonathanThompson stomps on the meep
[05:41:44] <_hugo> it would be better if no one else would be downloading at the same time, so either paste the link to me privately or people hold on your clicking :-)
[05:41:59] * JonathanThompson clicks on umccullough
[05:42:08] <JonathanThompson> Hey, why don't you respond, umccullough? :)
[05:42:20] * _hugo pets DeadYak
[05:42:26] * JonathanThompson burps DeadYak
[05:42:35] * DeadYak pets _hugo
[05:42:45] * _hugo sips his cappuccino
[05:42:59] * JonathanThompson burps _hugo
[05:43:01] * DeadYak steals the cappuccino
[05:43:08] * DeadYak oinks JonathanThmpson
[05:43:11] <DeadYak> +o
[05:43:18] <JonathanThompson> ?
[05:43:21] <_hugo> cappuccino for everyone!
[05:43:32] <_hugo> or mint tea
[05:43:43] <Deej575> So, I'm working on getting R5 solid on a box that used to run r5 without issue.  Get the patches on, 1024x768 vesa, opentracker, and then install the radeon driver (newest) and put it in 1680x1050 widescreen mode, and locks up.  Any thoughts?
[05:44:08] * JonathanThompson isn't a coffee drinker whatsoever, and yet has a PERFECT view of a Starbuck's drive-thru out his apartment windows on one side, and another Starbuck's across the street from his apartment building, and some other stands he hasn't kept track of nearby
[05:44:11] <Deej575> Any known issues with OpenTracker 5.3?
[05:44:29] <JonathanThompson> How much RAM do you have on that box, Deej575?
[05:47:20] <Deej575> 512 Mb
[05:47:38] <JonathanThompson> Did you remember the "Too much memory" kernel settings tweak?
[05:48:00] <DeadYak> dont
[05:48:01] <DeadYak> er
[05:48:05] <DeadYak> don't need to do that with 512
[05:48:10] <DeadYak> that's for > 768
[05:48:11] <JonathanThompson> 256 or more, DeadYak.
[05:48:24] <JonathanThompson> Kernel settings for the VM/filesystem cache.
[05:48:28] <DeadYak> which tweak are we talking about?
[05:48:28] <DeadYak> ah.
[05:48:35] <DeadYak> that won't lock it up though
[05:48:44] <JonathanThompson> It may, depending on dumb luck :)
[05:48:47] <JonathanThompson> It won't help.
[05:48:48] <DeadYak> and iirc the only thing that really goofs that up is using a non-1KB block size for BFS
[05:48:48] <Deej575> oh, yeah... hehe, been that long since I've tried to install any BeOS. :P
[05:48:56] <JonathanThompson> Also, what about your filesystem block size?
[05:49:04] <Deej575> 1024
[05:49:05] <JonathanThompson> I've seen that getting larger causing a system to lock up.
[05:49:10] <JonathanThompson> Try down to 512.
[05:49:17] <JonathanThompson> It's related to the filesystem caching issue.
[05:49:20] <umccullough> _hugo, it appears to die halfway through the image
[05:49:21] <DeadYak> 1kb is the smallest BFS block size
[05:49:30] <umccullough> gets further when i refresh
[05:49:31] <JonathanThompson> 512 bytes is, actually.
[05:49:31] <Deej575> what about the fact that I'm installing this to a 58Gb size partition, might that do something?
[05:49:36] <DeadYak> since when?
[05:49:39] <JonathanThompson> That may.
[05:49:41] <umccullough> http://binarychicken.com:575/
[05:49:44] <DeadYak> installer only ever offered me 1,2,4kb
[05:49:51] <umccullough> _hugo, looks like i had to refresh it 4 times to get the whole image to load
[05:50:03] <_hugo> umccullough: ok, ill do my test, thanks
[05:50:36] <_hugo> umccullough: not the best idea to have the idea directly linked in the html :-P now everyone is getting it
[05:50:48] <umccullough> lol
[05:50:49] <Deej575> I wonder.  Since this box was running beos r5 for years, just barely used.  I reinstalled clean, and I'm getting this lockup problem.  Only difference is partition size, nothing else hardware wise has changed, less a new widescreen lcd.
[05:50:52] <umccullough> good point
[05:50:59] <umccullough> but i don't get many hits
[05:51:02] <umccullough> i'll put another html there
[05:51:03] <umccullough> hang on
[05:51:36] <JonathanThompson> mkbfs defaults to 1024, but it can be smaller, Deej575.
[05:51:43] <JonathanThompson> DeadYak, that is...
[05:52:07] <DeadYak> 1024 is the size the cache is tuned for though
[05:52:08] <Deej575> I've always run it at 1024 though... :/  I'm gonna change the partition size and see if that stabilizes anything.
[05:52:13] <umccullough> _hugo, try /pic.html
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[05:52:39] <_hugo> umccullough: i wanted to download the image directly, already tried my test, thank you :-)
[05:52:49] <umccullough> ah, okydoke ;)
[05:54:14] * jin yawns
[05:55:03] <Deej575> Damn, fiancee is starting an episode of Smallville... must... try ... to ... resist... :P
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[06:02:35] <JonathanThompson> Ok, DeadYak, it seems my mind was otherwise scrambled :)
[06:02:48] <JonathanThompson> 1K is the minimum BeOS 5.03 will create using mkbfs that comes with it.
[06:03:01] <umccullough> how do I create/obtain an SSH public key? :/
[06:03:22] <DeadYak> JT: toldya :P
[06:03:26] <JonathanThompson> :P
[06:03:28] <DeadYak> JT: that issue I remember well, I got bitten by it
[06:03:37] <JonathanThompson> I just created a bfs filesystem in a 1 meg file.
[06:03:41] <DeadYak> Me: "Why is my cache 400 MB...."
[06:03:45] <Yez_> apparently, Deej575 was not able to resist
[06:04:06] <Deej575> Still trying... but watching from the corner of my eye... ;)
[06:04:14] <JonathanThompson> Surely Haiku won't have these issues that make it too compatible with BeOS :P
[06:04:35] <DeadYak> i thought the idea was to *not* replicate the bugs :P
[06:04:56] <JonathanThompson> Sadly, to have certain things work correctly, it'll require some to still exist.
[06:05:13] <JonathanThompson> Otherwise, Haiku will make old code look buggy when it was just accommodating Be's oops.
[06:05:14] <DeadYak> depends :)
[06:05:23] <Yez_> so, how's Project X coming along JonathanThompson?
[06:05:25] <_hugo> umccullough: ssh-keygen
[06:05:31] <JonathanThompson> Slower than desired :P
[06:05:37] <Yez_> ok\
[06:05:48] <umccullough> hmm... does BeOS have ssh?
[06:05:51] <umccullough> i assume it does
[06:05:58] <JonathanThompson> It has part of it...
[06:06:21] <Yez_> yes, it does umccullough and it worked great for me
[06:06:24] <umccullough> i think the bigger question is going to be: will I be able to use SSH to connect to CVS
[06:06:37] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps my system is slightly broken.
[06:06:45] <DeadYak> that used to work for me
[06:06:52] <DeadYak> at least with mmu_man's more recent builds
[06:07:01] <umccullough> ok
[06:07:40] <umccullough> so, i need to create an ssh public key, and send it to this guy, and he'll grant me access to CVS... what a PITA :(
[06:09:52] <Yez_> uh umccullough, you know that security and convenience are mutually exclusive, right?
[06:10:37] <JonathanThompson> When I try to use ssh on my machine, I get this error message:
[06:10:37] <JonathanThompson>  (rand child) Couldn't exec '/boot/home/config/bin/ssh-rand-helper': No such file or directory
[06:10:38] <JonathanThompson>  ssh-rand-helper child produced insufficient data
[06:11:06] <DeadYak> R5 + net_server JT?
[06:11:09] <Yez_> sounds like your machine is too ordered, you need more chaos on it!!!
[06:11:27] <Yez_> throw a bunch of icons on the desktop, just anywhere.  That should help!
[06:11:27] <JonathanThompson> Yes, DeadYak.
[06:12:16] <DeadYak> JT: none of the net_server ssh packages are complete
[06:12:28] <JonathanThompson> Why am I not surprised? :)
[06:12:41] <Yez_> you must install bone
[06:12:57] <DeadYak> because you're painfully aware of how much net_server sucks? :P
[06:13:31] <JonathanThompson> :)
[06:13:46] * JonathanThompson only needs to use Mozilla-anything on a lot of websites for confirmation...
[06:14:31] <JonathanThompson> Of course, then there's MYOB posting about Be's API documentation being "Complete"....
[06:14:43] <JonathanThompson> I don't know what he's been smoking to conclude that :P
[06:15:11] <DeadYak> complete for what, R4?
[06:15:21] <Yez_> DR8
[06:15:36] <JonathanThompson> I challenge you to point out a version of the API that had complete documentation available to anyone.
[06:16:30] <Deej575> Okay, installing the radeon driver... again... but this build, it's not taking... staying in greyscreen.... what the hell am I missing?
[06:16:42] <JonathanThompson> Hell itself :)
[06:17:21] <JonathanThompson> I see MagnusSoft hasn't bothered to take the effort to update their website.
[06:18:13] <JonathanThompson> (Except to note they're not distributing it... even though the initial "welcome" screen screams Zeta)
[06:23:51] <Yez_> _hugo ?
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[06:26:03] <_hugo> yes
[06:26:26] <Yez_> hey, you are around.  that is great.  ok, networking is not working for me...
[06:26:39] <_hugo> what revision?
[06:26:42] <Yez_> it is just prolly something stupid I am not doing
[06:26:55] <Yez_> whatever one I got last night
[06:27:03] <Yez_> when you told me to get the new one
[06:27:20] <Yez_> 20743
[06:27:31] <_hugo> Yez_: what isnt working specifically?
[06:28:00] <Yez_> I setup a resolv.conf with my nameserver in it and I can't ping www.begroovy.com
[06:28:10] <_hugo> can you ping the nameserver?
[06:28:21] <geist> 66.29.58.147
[06:28:21] <Yez_> ooh, didn't try that ...
[06:28:24] <geist> try pinging that
[06:29:31] <Yez_> no route to host
[06:29:42] <_hugo> Yez_: is your system configured via dhcp?
[06:29:56] <Yez_> nope, didn't know how to do that in Haiku
[06:30:04] <Yez_> don't know either
[06:30:14] <_hugo> it is done by default
[06:30:25] <_hugo> Yez_: what is the output of the "route" command?
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[06:30:57] <Yez_> then something is wrong cause my card gets a 192.168.0.xxx address and my network is 192.168.1.xxx
[06:31:35] <_hugo> if it configured such an address is due to DHCP having failed
[06:31:46] <Yez_> ah
[06:31:56] <Yez_> all my other machines are on DHCP just fine
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[06:32:14] <_hugo> Yez_: try to configure a valid IP address with ifconfig and try to ping your router
[06:32:27] <Anxiety> is there a util or command to convert the images into virtual pc disks?
[06:33:49] <umccullough> _hugo, DHCP still isn't working here either :(
[06:33:56] <_hugo> umccullough: still?
[06:34:08] <umccullough> _hugo, not since i updated to 20734
[06:34:18] <_hugo> umccullough: output of 'arp'?
[06:34:29] <Yez_> umccullough how do you use ifconfig ?  I don't think I am setting it properly
[06:34:38] <umccullough> i'll have to reboot - everything's hardcoded
[06:35:01] <umccullough> Yez_, in a bit...
[06:35:07] <Yez_> k
[06:35:16] <_hugo> when stuff doesnt work, even if its only once, please gather as much info as possible (output of ifconfig, arp, route, etc) and put it up somewhere, or send it to me directly (hugosantos at gmail dot com)
[06:37:01] <Yez_> _hugo can I restart the net_server to force it to try dhcp again?
[06:37:27] <_hugo> Yez_: yes. but if it didnt work the first time it probably wont work again either
[06:37:28] <umccullough> _hugo, it eventually configures with a 192.168.0.x address and arp just returns 2 lines 0.0.0.0 and 192.168.0.169 both permanent local valid
[06:38:02] <_hugo> Yez_: is your router running linux or is it a closed box?
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[06:38:11] <_hugo> linux or another unix variant
[06:38:47] <_hugo> umccullough: if you try it a few times, does it fail?
[06:39:23] <Yez_> uh ... it is a closed box...?  Linksys WAP/router thingy
[06:41:00] <_hugo> Yez_: after booting please try "ifconfig -d /dev/net/ipro1000/0" and "ifconfig /dev/net/ipro1000/0 192.168.1.123 255.255.255.0"
[06:41:09] <_hugo> where 192.168.1.123 is a valid IP address in your network
[06:41:20] <_hugo> ups, and add "up" after 255.255.255.0
[06:41:31] <Yez_> okie dokie, rebooting now
[06:41:33] <_hugo> ifconfig /dev/net/ipro1000/0 192.168.1.123 255.255.255.0 up
[06:41:42] <_hugo> then try to ping your router
[06:42:44] <Yez_> there was something funky in the route info,  it didn't look right
[06:44:20] <Yez_> tada!  pinging router just fine
[06:44:35] <_hugo> now try to ping the nameserver
[06:45:16] <Yez_> Network not reachable
[06:45:41] <_hugo> well, if your nameserver IP address is outside your network you need to add a default route
[06:45:47] <_hugo> use the following:
[06:45:49] <Yez_> when I do "route" ...
[06:46:00] <Yez_> that is what I was about to say...
[06:46:16] <Yez_> I don't think it knows my router IP
[06:46:19] <_hugo> route add /dev/net/ipro1000/0 default gw 192.168.1.1
[06:46:28] <Yez_> it has 192.168.1.0
[06:46:30] <_hugo> where 192.168.1.1 is your router's IP address
[06:46:36] <Yez_> cool
[06:46:41] <_hugo> then try to ping the nameserver
[06:47:15] <Yez_> pings fine!!!
[06:47:39] <_hugo> ok, now add your nameserver to /etc/resolv.conf
[06:48:05] <Yez_> and now I can ping www.begroovy.com just fine
[06:48:38] <_hugo> dhcp isnt working in your case, but i cant help without a network capture
[06:48:55] <Yez_> tell me what to do and I will do my best!
[06:49:52] <_hugo> Yez_: if your router was running a unix variant you could do a network capture there. another possibility would be to attach the haiku box to a hub and then uplink it to the router so you could capture with another computer
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[06:51:03] <Yez_> uh, I may be closer to the second one than the first... actually, you said "hub" on purpose, didn't you?  I only have switches.
[06:51:11] <_hugo> i did
[06:51:22] <_hugo> hubs broadcast on all ports, switches do not
[06:51:23] <Yez_> hub == full broadcast
[06:51:31] <geist> hubs are good to keep around for that purpose
[06:51:42] <Yez_> well, NOW you tell me
[06:51:48] <umccullough> _hugo, sorry about my lack of response, my wife has been ... interrupting ;)
[06:51:49] <_hugo> Yez_: have you tried haiku in vmware/qemu?
[06:51:53] <_hugo> umccullough: no problem
[06:52:17] <umccullough> _hugo, i'll build a vmware image later and try it with wireshark
[06:52:22] <_hugo> Yez_: if you could run haiku in vmware, using "bridged networking" it would be good enough
[06:52:26] <_hugo> umccullough: thank you
[06:52:27] <geist> right on
[06:52:42] <geist> and there are many fine network scanning stuffs if you're running on windows
[06:52:55] <Yez_> _hugo nope, I don't have a solid machine around that is powerful enough to do Haiku in VMware so I just use real hardware (a little old but good)
[06:53:02] <Deej575> Yez_: I have an old fashioned hub you can borrow next time we get together.
[06:53:21] <_hugo> Yez_: 128Mb of mem would be enough
[06:53:24] <Yez_> ok, add it to the list.  Also, that darn R5 cd I keep forgetting!
[06:53:25] * umccullough has an old 10baseT hub somewhere too...
[06:53:25] <_hugo> for the VM that is
[06:54:08] <Yez_> how does running Haiku in VMware help?
[06:54:19] <Yez_> easier to intercept stuff?
[06:54:23] <_hugo> Yez_: then you would be able to capture on vmware's virtual interface
[06:54:28] <umccullough> Yez_, it tests a known configuration, and you can capture ;)
[06:54:31] <Yez_> ah
[06:56:02] <geist> since presumably the problem is some incompatibility between haiku's dhcp and the dhcp server you have
[06:56:10] <geist> what is the dhcp server?
[06:56:31] <Yez_> Linksys WRG54 WAP/router
[06:57:05] <umccullough> mine is my siemens IDSL router
[06:57:08] <umccullough> also causing problems
[06:57:38] <Yez_> _hugo can't I turn on logging when I boot and look at the sys.log afterwards?  won't that talk about the nic trying to get an IP ?
[06:57:57] <_hugo> Yez_: it wont, and its not enough either
[06:58:06] <_hugo> i need to see what packages haiku is generating and what the dhcp server is replying
[06:58:13] <_hugo> packages? packets
[06:58:14] <Yez_> ok
[06:58:37] <Yez_> packages == PRETTY packets!!! with bows!
[06:59:09] <_hugo> if i saw this issue in my setup i would fix it, but unfortunely dhcp never fails here
[06:59:22] <Yez_> hmmm
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[07:01:11] <Luposian> Hello everyone...
[07:01:33] <Yez_> Deej575 I will be at Mountain Vista HS from about 9am-2pm on Saturday if you want to stop by with a hub and Cd ;-)
[07:02:03] <Luposian> Well, everyone who's actually AT their computer, that is... :-D
[07:03:21] <Yez_> howdy
[07:04:33] <Luposian> I'm gonna run the latest Revision of Haiku I JAM'd (20,747) now... be back in awhile...
[07:04:47] <Yez_> ok
[07:05:29] <Luposian> Yez... you and I would seem to be the only people in this place at the moment....
[07:05:59] <Yez_> others are hard at work on making Haiku a reality... or watching Smallville
[07:06:30] <Luposian> I have GOT to figure out the heaviest traffic times for this channel... the crickets chirping around here is nigh DEAFENING! :-D
[07:07:09] <umccullough> Luposian, mid morning PDT ;)
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[07:07:37] <Luposian> Yea... tis umc!
[07:07:46] <umccullough> heh
[07:08:06] <Deej575> Sorry Yez... smallville distraction full bore.  Where is Mountain Vista?
[07:08:13] <Deej575> bb shortly
[07:08:23] <umccullough> i actually have to do some work, so i'll be AFK
[07:08:32] <Luposian> your full name/handle is too long to go spelling out everytime I mention it... so we'll just abbreviate it to "UMC", ok? :-D
[07:08:46] <umccullough> Luposian, what IRC client?
[07:08:55] <umccullough> most of them have auto-completion
[07:09:00] <Luposian> Bowser... BeOS R5 PE!
[07:09:10] <umccullough> Vision is good...
[07:09:21] <Luposian> Yes... it allows you to see... :-D
[07:09:29] <umccullough> i think TAB auto-completes in most clients
[07:09:30] <Luposian> HAHAHAHAHA!
[07:09:35] <umccullough> type first few characters and hit tab
[07:10:10] <Luposian> Tab?  Uh... what are you referring to?
[07:10:21] <umccullough> um... most people have a TAB key on their keyboard...
[07:10:56] <umccullough> it's sort of one of those keys that originated on typewriters...
[07:11:01] <Luposian> Ok, funny guy... I MEANT... what is the Tab key usage in reference to?
[07:11:14] <umccullough> auto-completion of nicks so you don't have to type them
[07:11:23] <Luposian> Ah... let us try it!
[07:11:26] <umccullough> i can type Luposian with 3 characters
[07:11:30] <Luposian> umccullough
[07:11:31] <umccullough> l u tab
[07:11:44] <Luposian> Tis most awesome!  IT WORKED!!!
[07:11:53] <umccullough> see, and when you type my WHOLE nic, it highlights the line in my client :)
[07:11:56] <Luposian> Luposian
[07:12:04] <umccullough> so it's easier for me to see if someone is trying to contact me
[07:12:12] <Luposian> Wow... it even knows MY handle!  Impersive!
[07:12:23] <umccullough> anyhow, i got works to do
[07:12:26] <umccullough> bbl
[07:12:49] <Luposian> Nice chatting to ya!  I'll be back latre, as well!
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[07:14:02] <Luposian> Yez... what was the underscore after you nice representative of?
[07:14:14] <Luposian> nick, I meant.
[07:14:28] <geist> the sadness of loss
[07:14:37] <Luposian> Hey, Geist!
[07:14:43] <geist> the pause before the storm
[07:14:50] <Luposian> Eh?
[07:15:08] <Yez> I got kicked because my crappy cable modem lost connectivity, when my IRC client reconnected me, Yez was already still so it added a _
[07:15:27] <Luposian> Ahhh.
[07:19:02] <Luposian> Well, anyhow... off to try out Haiku Rev. 20,747.  Latre!
[07:19:25] * JonathanThompson bids goodbye the guy that gets low OSNews ratings :)
[07:19:46] * umccullough stifles a snicker
[07:19:49] <Luposian> Hahahahaha!  Funny one, JonathanThompson!
[07:19:58] <JonathanThompson> :P
[07:20:15] <JonathanThompson> Truth hurts like a trout-slap :P
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[07:20:37] <Luposian> Don't anyone get me going now... I might mention  *THAT THING* again!!!  :-D  j/k!
[07:20:39] <umccullough> it's all in good humor ;)
[07:20:53] * JonathanThompson hands Luposian an ice cream bar
[07:21:18] * umccullough is distracted again... parting from channel :P
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[07:21:36] <Luposian> Good Humor... Ice Cream Bar... what... are you a comedian or something?  :-D
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[07:21:56] <vision> Yeah, I can connect via Haiku!!!
[07:22:01] <Luposian> vision is here... I can SEE now!
[07:22:15] <vision> too bad Vision doesn't keep my settings.
[07:22:24] <vision> I have to put them in each time I start the program
[07:22:29] * JonathanThompson wonders if Luposian can tell if that light at the end of the tunnel is the headlight of an on-coming train
[07:22:45] <Luposian> Wait... you mean... you can IRC from Haiku now?
[07:22:58] <Yez> yes, I can
[07:23:04] <vision> tada!
[07:23:08] <Luposian> WHOO-HOO!!!
[07:23:26] <vision> I don't know if I would call it stable but, I can
[07:23:33] <Luposian> What program?  Where?
[07:23:49] <Luposian> I... must... make... use... of... Haiku!!!
[07:24:00] <vision> it is Vision
[07:24:13] <vision> I got it from the BeOS Max install I have on the other partition
[07:24:25] <vision> getting my networking all going was a bit of a trick
[07:25:01] <Luposian> Just ask geist!  He knows ALL about my passionate need to be able to use Haiku... even in it's horribly "pre-alphafied" state!
[07:25:28] <vision> uh, why do you think I am here
[07:25:57] <Luposian> I'm using a natively-supported NIC card.  Haiku (the Network preflet) sees my IP address and stuff... what else do I need to do?
[07:26:16] <kr1stof> I experienced the same. Obviously Vision cannot store the settings
[07:26:22] <vision> make sure that your networking IS working
[07:26:33] <Luposian> How do you test it, in Haiku?
[07:26:33] <vision> I tried pinging things out on the Internet
[07:26:51] <kr1stof> Networking works out-of-the-box in haiku now for me
[07:27:06] <vision> once I was sure it was working, then I grabbed Vision (built for R5) and pulled it over here and started it
[07:27:40] <vision> kr1stof, think they might change if we actually build Vision on Haiku?  I will try that soon
[07:27:45] <geist> yeah same here. it just dhcps the stuff and then boom it works
[07:28:00] <vision> geist, my dhcp doesn't work
[07:28:05] <geist> though some folks are having problems with various dhcp servers
[07:28:08] <vision> I have to configure the whole card
[07:28:16] <geist> bummer
[07:28:23] <kr1stof> After a reboot Vision is not even recognized as executable anymore :-(
[07:28:35] <geist> it's probably pretty easy to debug if could reproduce
[07:28:36] <Luposian> DHCP works in Haiku now, too?  MAN... that Hugo is a frickin' hurricane of activity!  Go, Hugo, GO!
[07:28:41] <vision> I will get a hub this weekend and work with hugo to see if we can fix the dhcp issue
[07:28:46] <kr1stof> I have to install it again to make it work (?)
[07:29:01] <_hugo> DHCP support was implemented by Axel
[07:29:08] <geist> heh, just got a mail. pavel released another copy of Eddie
[07:29:19] <vision> hehe, each boot is reproduces for me.  I just nee do capture the packets for hugo
[07:29:22] <Luposian> There you are... _hugo
[07:29:28] <kr1stof> Anyway - good that you are there again _hugo
[07:29:45] <_hugo> i only tweaked to support certain dhcp servers better
[07:29:50] <_hugo> *tweaked it
[07:30:19] <geist> yup, some tweakage against the server would probably be pretty easy to fix
[07:30:23] <kr1stof> I didn't have to do anything, network just worked right after booting :-)
[07:30:43] <Luposian> Ok, it's about 10:30pm, here in Arizona (USA) and it looks like more people are beginning to speak up... is this a good time to get here or does conversation simply draw people into the light?
[07:31:02] <_hugo> geist: yeah, it should, as soon as it is clear what is failing
[07:31:12] <kr1stof> It's 07:30 a.m. over here
[07:31:20] <_hugo> it's 6h30am here
[07:31:23] <kr1stof> I have to go to work now :-(
[07:31:23] <geist> _hugo: it probably isn't. probably something the server doesn't like
[07:31:26] <geist> and thus it doesn't respond
[07:31:35] <vision> _hugo I should have a hub by this weekend and I will help then
[07:31:40] <geist> so you have to sit there and tweak stuff, see what's different about requests that work
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[07:31:51] <_hugo> geist: yeah
[07:31:54] <_hugo> vision: ok then
[07:31:59] <geist> i remember doing that about 8 years ago trying to debug the beos one against my dhcp server
[07:32:08] <_hugo> geist: oh :-)
[07:32:12] <Yez> oops, guess I should have done that with this nick.  _hugo, hub by this weekend
[07:32:13] <Luposian> Anyone know if Bowser (which I have right now and am using) works in Haiku?
[07:32:47] <geist> unknown. didn't bowser basically stop being maintained a long time ago?
[07:33:00] <Yez> night
[07:33:01] <geist> i remember using it when i was at Be, but it was pretty buggy
[07:33:29] <Luposian> Hey, it works for me... that's all I care about.
[07:34:29] <geist> cept it might not inhaiku
[07:34:39] <geist> but no better way to see than to try
[07:35:12] <Luposian> Well, anyhow, y'all have fun here while I go and try out Haiku R20,747.  BTW, anyone got any key points of interest I should look for in this latest Rev. of Haiku?
[07:35:23] <geist> *shrug*
[07:35:38] <geist> there is no rev of haiku really, just changes
[07:36:11] <geist> little incremental things, so it's hard to know what to look for if you dont know the last one you looked at
[07:36:33] <Luposian> Well, ok then.... "Commit 20,747".  Good enough?  :-D
[07:37:01] <geist> if you like
[07:37:18] <Luposian> Jus' bein' silly, geist.
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[08:04:24] <Begasus> morning all
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[08:39:17] <CIA-17> hugosantos * r20749 /haiku/trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): A very simple controlable traffic generator for TCP testing.
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[08:53:39] <Luposian> Well, I'm back... and let me tell you... Bowser ALMOST works!
[08:54:13] <Luposian> Nevermind the fact I forgot the name of the irc server.
[08:54:16] <JonathanThompson> Hey, that means it's no worse than it is under BeOS 5.03 :P
[08:55:05] <Luposian> But when I tried to type in my Nick, it refused!  I mean, I couldn't type in a single character in the Nick field!
[08:55:31] <JonathanThompson> Somehow I suspect that isn't a Haikuism
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[08:55:42] <Luposian> In BeOS R5 PE it works fine... I'm on it right now, you silly fellow!
[08:55:49] <JonathanThompson> Of course, the OS kernel and userspace stuff is still a bit shaky.
[08:56:10] * JonathanThompson ponders Luposian calling him a silly fellow...
[08:56:19] <Luposian> And without a name in the Nick field... it refuses to Connect you!
[08:56:49] <JonathanThompson> I wonder if a bug I saw in a build many months ago still exists, where sometimes it puts random crap in the title bar of a window...
[08:56:53] <Luposian> You can ponder... just don't Ponderosa!
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[08:57:07] <JonathanThompson> Ah, I bet you have a lot at steak in that!
[08:57:16] <Luposian> Or else you'll be PINING for wood!  Hahahahaha!
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[08:57:43] * JonathanThompson hands Luposian a baked potato and says, "This spud's for you!"
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[08:58:16] <JonathanThompson> (Little does he know it is a spy-spud with plenty of eyes to keep track of what he does, from the inside...)
[08:58:26] <Luposian> Hahahaha!
[08:58:43] <Luposian> This channel needs more people like you...
[08:59:00] <JonathanThompson> Mere mortals would burn out if there were too many more like me all at once :P
[08:59:08] <Luposian> If it had more people like me... it would be a loony bin!
[08:59:17] * JonathanThompson doesn't comment...
[08:59:24] <Luposian> Hehehehe!
[08:59:38] <JonathanThompson> And of course, a crazy program is a loony binary :P
[09:00:05] <Luposian> Ye art a Monster Punster!
[09:00:08] <JonathanThompson> You know, a Charlse Manson type program.... that stable...
[09:00:18] <JonathanThompson> Charles...
[09:01:05] <JonathanThompson> Hey, I live in an area with a very high concentration of coders.
[09:01:09] <Luposian> Just think... with #haiku full of people like me... everyone would be complaining about "THAT THING"! :-D
[09:01:40] <JonathanThompson> Which may largely explain the friggin' huge population of coffee shops and stands in area, so much you'd expect people to always be on the run with the runs.
[09:02:06] * JonathanThompson imagines there'd be more people learning about /ignore Luposian....
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[09:02:47] * JonathanThompson lobs a Luposian at umccullough in welcome
[09:03:03] <Luposian> It seems as though the vast majority of people associated with Haiku are from across the pond... where are more of us yankee Americans?
[09:03:20] <JonathanThompson> Moving across the pond, weren't you aware???
[09:03:27] <Luposian> Hehehehe!
[09:03:51] <umccullough> Luposian, did you just realize you can use IRC from haiku?
[09:03:58] <umccullough> i think that was possible a year ago...
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[09:04:11] <JonathanThompson> Last night (well, Tuesday night, really) I had a conversation with someone at Subway that probably made the other customer figure out "Wow, the guy behind the counter is a nut, and here comes his shell!"
[09:04:15] <umccullough> before the netstack was re-written
[09:04:39] <JonathanThompson> It was getting near closing time, and I wanted some food...
[09:04:56] <JonathanThompson> He was sweeping up front, and asked for a moment or so to complete sweeping up the dirt.
[09:05:20] <Luposian> Arrrgh!Sillyprogramisglitching...havenoSPACEBAR!!!
[09:05:23] <JonathanThompson> I told him I didn't really want the dirt on the food, but what's a little dirt between friends on the floor?
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[09:05:44] <JonathanThompson> Anyway, he told me it'd cost another 75 cents for the dirt, and I said, "See?  That's why I don't want the dirt!"
[09:06:12] <JonathanThompson> Oh yeah, I seem to remember Bowser having some Wowser bugs :)
[09:06:23] <JonathanThompson> It can be a real dog...
[09:06:37] <Luposian> Hatehatehatehatehate!!!!
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[09:06:54] <umccullough> Luposian, btw this channel is logged for everyone's reading pleasure...
[09:07:01] <umccullough> just so you know.
[09:07:14] <JonathanThompson> Yes,, you're on candid website :)
[09:08:39] <Luposian> Ahh.... I had mousekey enabled and didn't realize it!  I accidentally hit the Ctrl key!
[09:09:32] <Luposian> That's ok... I'm not plotting anything too devious... :-D
[09:10:02] <JonathanThompson> That requires being capable of being too devious first :)
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[09:10:31] <JonathanThompson> However, I bet a lot of people would expect you to plot something too obvious :)
[09:10:51] <JonathanThompson> Like "That THING" you keep bringing up, and the fact you'll bring it up...
[09:11:19] <JonathanThompson> But I won't bring it up, as I ate not too long ago, and that'd be a waste of food.
[09:11:28] <umccullough> Luposian, i'm just letting you know since you appear to be making all sorts of statements that clearly identify your newb'ness ;)
[09:11:33] <Luposian> I gotta finish installing MacOS X 10.2 (Jaguar) on an old G3 B&W I got a few weeks ago.  And then off to bed...
[09:12:18] <JonathanThompson> Just think of it this way, Luposian: don't spit out anything in the public channel you wouldn't want to scream out in any company anywhere in the world :P
[09:12:42] <Luposian> Oh, I'm not a Newbie... I've been in IRC channels before... got slapped with a few trouts, too... way back when I was visiting a Christian Singles channel years ago...
[09:12:55] <umccullough> Luposian, i'm talking about your Haiku newb'ness
[09:13:19] <JonathanThompson> umccullough, it'll always be new[] to him :)
[09:13:24] <umccullough> DHCP functionality for example ;)
[09:13:41] <JonathanThompson> delete[] Luposian....
[09:14:02] * JonathanThompson wonders how complicated it'd be to create a delete[] override for Luposian...
[09:14:03] <Luposian> Haiku Newbness?!?  Are ye MAD?  I am the epitome of Haiku knowledge!!!  for I already am fully and completely ands utterly aware of "THAT THING" and hence why I have been ranting about it for ages now!!! :-D
[09:14:22] <Luposian> Hehehehe!
[09:14:27] <umccullough> Luposian,... seriously, Vision was running in Haiku in late 2005 I think
[09:14:51] * JonathanThompson notes for the record that Luposian is a "THAT THING!" one-track mind that's a spiral from the inside to the outside, like a CD, but much wider
[09:15:15] <Luposian> Well, I'll have to download it then, because Bowser just ain't barkin' right in Haiku.
[09:15:25] <JonathanThompson> Ever notice you never hear anyone describing someone "Spiraling into control" ?
[09:15:25] <umccullough> I've never even used Bowser...
[09:15:43] <umccullough> JonathanThompson, that's like a dog chasing its tail?
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[09:15:57] <Luposian> umccullough... you're missing out on SOOO much.  Bowser is the bees knees, man!
[09:16:00] <JonathanThompson> Nah, more like a tail chasing the dog.
[09:16:24] <umccullough> Luposian, not sure... Vision is often regarded as the best IRC client for BeOS...
[09:17:03] * umccullough isn't sure why he wants bees knees anyway
[09:17:14] <JonathanThompson> Cheaper to buy socks for, umccullough.
[09:17:26] <Luposian> I was being "HILL-LARRY-US"... er, silly.  I'm really good at that.  Ah, to be 38 yrs. old with the mind of a teenager!
[09:17:28] <umccullough> i don't wear socks on my kneeds ;)
[09:17:41] <umccullough> knees even
[09:17:48] * JonathanThompson wonders where the lobotimized teenager currently resides
[09:18:09] <Luposian> Ye knead your knees!
[09:18:25] <JonathanThompson> Only if you're the Pilsbury Dough Boy :P
[09:18:43] <Luposian> Just like your nose knows all the "No's" in the world!
[09:19:00] <Luposian> :-P
[09:19:04] <JonathanThompson> My nose knows no no's in the known nose world, Luposian :)
[09:19:51] * JonathanThompson thinks he heard a brain explode on the other side of the connection
[09:20:00] <Luposian> B A N G ! ! !
[09:20:29] <Luposian> [the sound of drool dribbling out of a mindless zombie....]
[09:20:36] <JonathanThompson> Grey matter splatter, as the head that explodes gets flatter :)
[09:20:39] <Luposian> BRAIIIIIINS!
[09:21:07] <umccullough> mm... wrong i guess - it was only a year ago when vision ran
[09:21:41] <Luposian> I gotta get outta here... I've had too much sugar and this place can't handle teenage adultness... or is that adult teenageness?  Eh... whatever...
[09:21:50] <JonathanThompson> Luposian, if it makes you feel any better (I doubt it will) I led a very mind-blowing practical joke on someone using the nickname "Chrono Trigger Fan" on BeShare last year :)
[09:22:11] <JonathanThompson> I had him convinced his computer had a virus or something, and IIRC, he even rebooted.
[09:22:19] <JonathanThompson> And yet, I didn't say anything about a virus...
[09:22:30] <Luposian> Tell me about it... sounds funny.
[09:22:37] <JonathanThompson> It helped that others on the server got into line.
[09:22:43] <JonathanThompson> It lasted about half an hour.
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[09:23:00] <JonathanThompson> He greeted everyone in his usual way, and I greeted him... backwards....
[09:23:16] <JonathanThompson> And everything I typed (and most everybody else active and online followed suit) was backwards.
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[09:23:22] <JonathanThompson> For about half an hour...
[09:23:34] * mmadia steerg
[09:23:34] <Luposian> HILL-LARRY-US!!!!
[09:23:46] <JonathanThompson> He thought his computer had been hit by a virus or something, that (I have no idea how this worked) only affected BeShare :P
[09:24:09] <JonathanThompson> We all told him we had things looking normal on our ends, of course...
[09:24:21] <JonathanThompson> I have a logfile of it somewhere.
[09:25:03] <Luposian> I bet everyone was rolling on their respective floors, laughing like hyena's over that stunt!
[09:25:29] <JonathanThompson> I haven't seen anything like it before or since for that sort of insanity.
[09:25:32] <umccullough> hey wait...that was me JonathanThompson!
[09:25:35] <umccullough> ;)
[09:25:42] <JonathanThompson> No, that wasn't you :P
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[09:26:33] <JonathanThompson> I think the funniest thing is nobody had to tell him he had a virus or something: he jumped to confusions all by himself.
[09:26:39] <JonathanThompson> Well, mostly...
[09:27:32] <Luposian> I think trying to say everything in Elizabethian English (i.e. lots of "th's" used in everything) is funny...
[09:27:51] <Luposian> Howth areth youth doingth?
[09:28:05] <JonathanThompson> Itth sucketh!
[09:28:30] <Luposian> Oh, waiteth!  It's "ETH", not just "TH"...
[09:28:51] * JonathanThompson wonders if any pigs speak human-latin
[09:29:19] <Luposian> Haikueth Needeth Toeth Beth Improvedeth byeth fixingeth "THATETH THINGETH"!!!
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[09:30:09] <JamesB192> igpay orthnay.
[09:31:30] <Luposian> Spay my Dogay!
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[09:31:56] * JonathanThompson gets out the rusty machete
[09:32:19] <Luposian> Ack!  Running for my life sounds really good right about now!
[09:32:32] * JonathanThompson hopes Luposian will run for his life instead...
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[09:32:57] <Luposian> Eh?
[09:33:31] <Luposian> Running for my life = run for my life.  Huh?
[09:33:52] <JonathanThompson> I made an odd observation earlier this week, 12:15 a.m. Monday morning in Seattle:  if you turn around by pulling into a street where a lone woman is walking by, she might ask you if you're dating, and if not, would you like to, and can she get into your car...
[09:34:17] <umccullough> at which point... you run!
[09:34:24] <umccullough> ok, i'm going to bed
[09:34:26] <umccullough> 'night
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[09:34:30] <JonathanThompson> See?  umccullough gets it :)
[09:35:32] <Luposian> I'm denser than 50 black holes stuffed into a thimble!  I dun get it...
[09:35:52] <JonathanThompson> Oh well, all good ends must come to a thing
[09:36:01] <Luposian> Hehehe!
[09:36:17] <Luposian> Here's a parting thought to ponder...
[09:36:23] <JonathanThompson> Someone is dying?
[09:37:13] <Luposian> The word "sew" is pronounced "so".  What other "ew" word has the "o" sound in it?
[09:37:31] <JonathanThompson> Hmmm....
[09:37:41] <Luposian> Ooh... I see smoke!
[09:37:52] * JonathanThompson starts coughing.... asthma
[09:38:02] <Luposian> You didn't get it, didja?
[09:38:15] <JonathanThompson> Not at the moment.
[09:38:22] <Luposian> As in... you're thinking so hard, your ears start smoking?
[09:38:38] <JonathanThompson> Nah, they've been on the patch for awhile :)
[09:38:45] <Luposian> Heh!
[09:39:08] <JonathanThompson> (I've never smoked by desire or personal choice: only second-hand when unavoidable)
[09:39:52] * JonathanThompson gives down out of practicality
[09:40:27] <JonathanThompson> I really should be either coding or sleeping, or coding while sleeping...
[09:40:28] <Luposian> So, thought of an "ew" word with the "o" sound, yet?  Ask anyone... ask EVERYONE... I'm interested in finding out if such another word does exist.
[09:40:48] <Luposian> What Haikuness are you coding?
[09:40:54] <JonathanThompson> Project X.
[09:41:09] <JonathanThompson> (codename: I have the final name, and have had it since 2002 or so)
[09:41:26] <Luposian> What is Project X... and does it star Matthew Broderick and a chimpanzee?
[09:41:33] <Luposian> :-P
[09:41:43] <JonathanThompson> No, not that, or any other mutations :)
[09:42:02] <JonathanThompson> Project X as a codename was perfect while applying for the trademark, because nobody can really claim Project X :)
[09:42:15] <JonathanThompson> It's an IDE that will be far more powerful than anything BeOS has ever had.
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[09:42:57] <JonathanThompson> BeIDE is effectively defunct, and no other IDE I'm aware of is in active development.
[09:43:19] <Luposian> Anyhow... gotta go and get some Z's.  Nice been chatting with ya... catch you again the next time I'm on, eh?
[09:43:32] <JonathanThompson> Depends on how fast you run for my life :)
[09:43:50] <Luposian> BeIDE is defunct... but BeUltraDMA is the latest and coolest thing EVER!!!
[09:44:12] <Luposian> :-P
[09:44:13] <JonathanThompson> <--has a machine going on 8 years of use....
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[09:44:48] <JonathanThompson> If it is stable, does mostly as wanted/expected and is responsive even on this machine, I'll have succeeded.
[09:45:02] <JonathanThompson> Keeping in mind I'll have autocompletion everywhere.
[09:45:25] <Luposian> But... it... must... run... on... Haiku!!!
[09:45:38] <JonathanThompson> It will, assuming the OS runs :)
[09:45:51] <Luposian> Haiku running for IT'S life?
[09:45:54] <Ingenu> runs fine in Qemu at home ;p
[09:45:59] <JonathanThompson> In fact, I'm hoping a lot of BeOS weaknesses are fixed, because the upper limits of BeOS are a bit of a pain.
[09:46:23] <JonathanThompson> I particularly hate how badly BeOS handles running out of threads in the App_Server.
[09:46:25] <Luposian> Latre, y'all!
[09:46:30] <JonathanThompson> Bye Luposian.
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[09:51:11] * JonathanThompson lobs a remain of Luposian at mmadia in welcome
[09:51:31] * mmadia would prefer umccoullough's email ;)
[09:51:45] <Ingenu> as much as I loved the BeOS and praized it, I have to say today I only see MacOSX as a viable alternative
[09:52:14] <JonathanThompson> Hopefully Haiku will get viable ASAP.
[09:52:24] <Ingenu> not for me
[09:52:35] <Ingenu> I need hardware OpenGL
[09:52:37] <mmadia> there are many many bits that go into making an OS 'viable'
[09:52:40] <JonathanThompson> But of course, no OS is worth much without applications that people find valuable.
[09:52:48] <Ingenu> that too
[09:53:16] <JonathanThompson> Even if you had the "perfect" OS but had no applications, it'd be nothing but a toy, sadly.
[09:53:18] <Ingenu> but even from a dev perspective, you need good hardware support and good tools (IDE/Debugger) for an OS
[09:53:36] <JonathanThompson> Well, I'm working on one of those :)
[09:54:00] <JonathanThompson> I agree, good development tools are vital.
[09:54:09] <Ingenu> and an installer ;p (don't care if it's only alpha, I'm a dev, so I'm lazy)
[09:54:40] <JonathanThompson> I'm quite partial to the thought of installing everything on a virtual partition and running from there, personally.
[09:55:00] <JonathanThompson> With BeOS (I presume Haiku as well already) that's very easy to do, really.
[09:55:03] <Ingenu> parallels would be nice
[09:55:20] <JonathanThompson> Perpandiculars would work in a pinch :)
[09:55:31] <Ingenu> you know what I meant :p
[09:55:44] * JonathanThompson hands Ingenu a trout
[09:57:20] <Ingenu> really I hate programmers who don't know how to code properly, neither architect software properly and don't even use any conventions or spaces between a function arguments
[09:57:38] * Ingenu wonders if those aren't coding monkeys
[09:57:48] <JonathanThompson> Or those that use pluralization randomly :)
[09:58:45] <Ingenu> yeah or those coding in pseudo english
[09:58:49] <Ingenu> like finding "childs"
[09:58:53] <Ingenu> makes me so happy
[09:59:27] <Ingenu> also found that m_fn_Foo() to be such a maginificent function naming scheme
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[09:59:48] * JonathanThompson encodes 7 chevrons for stargater, and hopes that's enough to fuel his SUV
[10:00:04] <Ingenu> proves that the one who invented don't have a clue of how C++ works
[10:00:21] <JonathanThompson> Invented what?
[10:00:40] <Ingenu> m_fn_Foo()
[10:00:45] <Ingenu> naming scheme
[10:00:50] * JonathanThompson hates it when people leave out words, hoping or expecting you'll know what they mean, because after all, it's SO OBVIOUS!
[10:01:13] <Ingenu> object.Foo() <= Foo is necessarily a member of object anyway
[10:01:22] <Ingenu> and a function too
[10:01:36] <JonathanThompson> I must admit, I've NEVER before seen a function with a prefix like that.
[10:01:43] <Ingenu> come around here
[10:01:48] <Ingenu> you'll get depressed in no time
[10:02:11] <JonathanThompson> Why go there to get depressed, when I can do it so much more cheaply around here?
[10:02:17] <Ingenu> everything public in lots of class
[10:02:24] <Ingenu> lame naming scheme
[10:02:25] <Ingenu> no doc
[10:02:27] <Ingenu> no comments
[10:02:42] <JonathanThompson> I suppose I've taught you enough that now you expect more of things...
[10:03:13] <Ingenu> I wanna work with people who know how to architect a program and to code !
[10:03:31] <JonathanThompson> Hey, they're hiring where I'm working, and they're looking hard :)
[10:03:46] <JonathanThompson> Feel like moving to the Seattle area?
[10:04:47] <Ingenu> leaving in a country in which any asshole can get a gun ?
[10:04:51] <Ingenu> no thank you :p
[10:05:14] <JonathanThompson> Oh, come on, it's not that bad on average :)
[10:05:20] <JonathanThompson> Only on the extremes!
[10:05:34] <JonathanThompson> Besides, guns don't kill people, people kill people! :P
[10:05:47] <Ingenu> member of the RAA ?
[10:05:50] <JonathanThompson> Guns are only one of many methods.
[10:05:53] <JonathanThompson> Nope.
[10:05:53] <mmadia> and themselves.
[10:06:16] <JonathanThompson> I'm not a gun fanatic or completely against guns.
[10:06:17] <Ingenu> weapons are meant to kill, solely that
[10:06:26] <Ingenu> that's stupid to sell them
[10:06:39] <JonathanThompson> That may be mostly true of handguns.
[10:06:46] <JonathanThompson> However, there are areas in the US that are still quite wild.
[10:06:48] <Ingenu> cars are dangerous enough, but at least they aren't meant to kill but rather carry people/stuff around
[10:06:56] <mmadia> outtta all the issues people can have with the USA,  gun control doesn't hit my top 5 list : )
[10:07:10] <JonathanThompson> I suppose you don't have much in the way of big, potentially-fatal animals where you're at.
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[10:10:05] <mmadia> 14 hrs of laboring (and not the pregnancy type) today.
[10:10:19] <JonathanThompson> You mean you aren't birthing new code?
[10:10:57] <mmadia> i oculd've written some binary code if i line the aluminum studs and wooden 2x4's,  if i wanted to.
[10:11:53] <Ingenu> we have cats
[10:11:57] <Ingenu> ;p
[10:12:06] <JonathanThompson> So tasty :)
[10:12:29] <mmadia> want some dog to get rid of them?
[10:12:42] <JonathanThompson> It might go down a little ruff, mmadia.
[10:13:15] <mmadia> that was bow wow bad.
[10:13:40] <JonathanThompson> I once lost control of a dog in China Town: he chased after a cat, and went barking up the Wong tree.
[10:14:38] <mmadia> see, that joke is logically flawed.  the only cats in china town are the ones on plates covered in general tso sauce.
[10:14:50] <mmadia> : P
[10:14:59] <JonathanThompson> Tastes like chicken :P
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[10:29:29] <raph_ael> hey
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[11:34:28] <Ingenu>                          colors[currentVert] = NiColorA(0.38f,0.54f,0.63f,alpha);
[11:34:29] <Ingenu>                          colors[currentVert] = NiColorA(0.0f,0.0f,0.0f,alpha);
[11:34:32] <Ingenu> nice code
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[11:48:04] <PulkoMandy> :)
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[12:10:43] <stargater> moin
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[12:21:34] <stargater> hi Begasus
[12:21:47] <Begasus> hi stargater
[12:23:19] <CIA-17> hugosantos * r20750 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/protocols/tcp/TCPEndpoint.cpp:
[12:23:19] <CIA-17> some TCP tweaks.
[12:23:19] <CIA-17>  - check the effective window against the flight size.
[12:23:20] <CIA-17>  - start the RTT estimates relatively high.
[12:23:20] <CIA-17>  - introduced a TCP PROBE debug message for offline processing and TCP debugging.
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[12:24:05] <stargater> Begasus, i have see jixt here :-)
[12:24:14] <stargater> will he work for haiku ?
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[12:24:25] <Begasus> you'll have to ask him stargater
[12:24:32] <stargater> jop
[12:26:02] <stargater> Begasus,  und wie geht es dir ? :-) alles ok
[12:26:13] <Begasus> geht schon
[12:26:19] <stargater> schoen
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[12:48:50] <CHodapp_> man, I should have burned a Haiku disc to boot on my work computer just to confuse the IT lady
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[14:43:17] <Ingenu> what does Haiku need the most ? (I'm guessing devs)
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[16:09:42] <petterhj> _hugo: here?
[16:11:19] <myob> petterhj: back to a discussion from some days ago... is norway better to go tourist-wise to in summer or winter?
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[16:15:20] <petterhj> depends what you're planning to do. If you like skiing, we do have some mountains to do that in. If you wan't to do this: http://www.mipsotour.fr/Geiranger.jpg (if you accept URLs now), come during the summer
[16:15:50] <petterhj> I would suggest the summer though. (I'm a summer person ;))
[16:15:51] <kr1stof> This is beautiful
[16:16:32] 
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[16:17:53] <petterhj> kr1stof: imagine -20 then, which is/was a normal tempature here during the vinter (not this year though)
[16:19:11] <myob> petterhj: looks like a dodgy 70s tour brochure
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[16:19:27] <myob> I skate, not ski or snowboard...
[16:19:49] <petterhj> myob; hehe, sure.  I don't live there, I've never been there. Thats where all the germans/japaneese go.
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[16:20:09] <petterhj> If you want to skate, I can only imagine it would be best to visit Oslo. Don't know of any facilities though.
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[16:20:27] <kr1stof> petterhj: Sometimes there are even temperatures like this over here
[16:21:09] <petterhj> myob: on top of google: http://www.concretedisciples.com/skateparksdb/display_country.php?country=NO
[16:21:11] <kr1stof> I only leave the house if I really have to ;-)
[16:21:33] <petterhj> hehe, same here. :)
[16:22:29] <myob> ooh, concrete
[16:23:43] <myob> seems a few are indoor setups = never that good... might need to ask some of the more widely toured skaters I know
[16:24:22] <petterhj> I guess if you rather "street-skate" (in lack of the correct word), you could allways team up with the skaters in oslo. guess there are a few of them there :)
[16:25:48] <kr1stof> I'd rather stick with biking through the wine area here instead
[16:26:11] <myob> petterhj: do they have as good english as you ;)
[16:26:29] <myob> as I have no norwegian (obviously I guess)
[16:27:34] <kr1stof> The Scandinavians grow up with English
[16:28:11] <kr1stof> It's not like Germany myob ;-)
[16:28:11] <petterhj> myob: hopefully better :)
[16:28:28] <petterhj> (the skaters I've known over the years skipped school, so who knows) :p
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[16:36:31] <[Beta]> g'day
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[16:45:35] <TTRanger> narf
[16:45:56] <thewolf> moo?
[16:49:59] <dr_evil> buh
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[17:08:18] <myob> petterhj: far more important question though - whats the booze cost?
[17:08:46] <myob> (that said I'm unsure you'll even have what I drink...)
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[17:13:23] <petterhj> myob: well, it's costy. everything in general are costy, but it keeps you from drinking too much. ;) 0.5l of beer (at a pub) costs about 5 pounds. a bootle of spirit around 20/25 maybe.
[17:15:03] <myob> sterling
[17:15:07] <petterhj> myob: maybe this blog post reflects the view of tourists: http://www.thinkingbartender.com/bartenderthinking/2007/04/eastertime_in_norway.html
[17:15:09] <petterhj> yea, sterling
[17:15:12] <myob> jaysus
[17:15:26] <[Beta]> woah. How much is tea?
[17:15:32] <myob> I seriously doubt I'll be on the spirits, considering the lack fo my normal mixer
[17:15:36] <myob> http://www.thinkingbartender.com/bartenderthinking/2007/04/eastertime_in_norway.html
[17:15:39] <myob> erm
[17:15:42] <myob> damn copy buffer
[17:15:47] <petterhj> :)
[17:16:04] <myob> no Irn Bru = no vodka for me ;)
[17:16:22] <petterhj> the article is true. we have a before/after-party culture to lessen the costs :)
[17:16:36] <myob> we do house parties after the pub too
[17:16:52] <myob> you go there, drink beer, eat pizza/chinese, watch DVDs and gradually leave/fall asleep till up to 5am
[17:17:15] <myob> bars here are 'expensive' at up to 4.50 a pint in suburbs and 5.00 in cities - euros
[17:18:30] <myob> can be below 4.00 in the countryside
[17:18:31] <petterhj> not too different then. our prices reflects (somewhat) our wages, allthough it still kind of expensive.
[17:19:10] <myob> our wages aren't too shit either mind...
[17:19:11] <petterhj> brb
[17:19:23] <petterhj> no; didnt imply that :)
[17:20:45] <myob> I liked scaring an american with them but that was made way worse for him by the exchange rate
[17:21:08] <myob> and, heh, its got even worse :D
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[17:54:11] <petterhj> myob: have you noticed your fan named "zizban"?
[17:55:20] <TTRanger> JonathanThompson
[17:56:03] <JonathanThompson> Hi, I need to leave for work in a few.
[17:56:19] <JonathanThompson> (I have changed employers twice since we last chatted)
[17:56:33] <DeadYak> again?
[17:56:36] <JonathanThompson> And nothing of my fault, either!
[17:56:44] <TTRanger> JonathanThompson Did you receive my e-mail?
[17:56:45] <JonathanThompson> No, since TTRanger, DeadYak :)
[17:56:49] <JonathanThompson> I did.
[17:56:53] <TTRanger> Comments?
[17:57:03] <JonathanThompson>  Like this? //
[17:57:24] <TTRanger> Interested, or too busy?
[17:57:38] <JonathanThompson>  //This product brought to you by Malto Meal!
[17:57:49] <JonathanThompson> Is it as simple as it looks?
[17:57:50] <TTRanger> ok, guess that's my answer...
[17:58:08] <TTRanger> I can send you the database so you can see what is involved.
[17:58:21] <TTRanger> I doubt it'll take much, just an adaptation of what you did earlier.
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[17:59:18] <myob> petterhj: yes, unfortunatelt
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[17:59:23] <myob> how did you notice him?
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[18:00:01] <petterhj> I came a cross the other day. did you have some sort of personal-(internet)-dispute with him?
[18:00:05] <petterhj> it*
[18:00:22] <myob> he got banned from the wikipedia, blamed me
[18:00:33] <myob> he comes on here and talks civily to me however, not sure he associates...
[18:01:09] <petterhj> hehe
[18:02:00] <myob> barely worth giving the gimp the satisfaction of giving a fuck
[18:02:33] <thewolf> how do you get banned from wikipedia?
[18:02:39] <thewolf> without being a complete tit.
[18:03:32] <myob> he was a complete tit
[18:03:38] <myob> sorry, is
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[18:04:05] <petterhj> myob: i see. didn't seem too mature
[18:04:49] <myob> I'd suspect he's older than me
[18:05:36] <petterhj> age != (necessarily) matureness
[18:06:43] <StylusEater_Work> who?
[18:07:28] <myob> StylusEater_Work: someone you don't know, nor want to know
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[18:08:35] <miqlas> re
[18:09:00] <thewolf> Immature people bring up body parts in normal conversation
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[18:12:05] * JonathanThompson hopes immaturity in #Haiku doesn't go to his head
[18:13:20] <mats> :P
[18:13:57] <StylusEater_Work> myob: fair nuff... :-)
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[18:15:00] <rossmaartin> Howdy
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[18:41:33] <DeadYak> lol
[18:42:24] <[Beta]> lol :/
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[18:49:49] <thewolf> Do the people at fox realise that the entire world is laughing at them?
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[18:50:27] <mmu_man> ?
[18:50:47] <thewolf> oh, in relation to this: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266860,00.html
[18:51:29] <thewolf> I'm going to move tot he USA, change my name to "Satan" then apply for a job at fox.
[18:52:29] <mmu_man> not everyone in the world lives in the US
[18:52:36] <mmu_man> = not everyone in the world watches fox
[18:52:41] <mmu_man> = not everyone knows
[18:53:20] <thewolf> true, but everyone that knows should be laughing right now ;)
[18:54:04] <mmu_man> well, that isn't funny
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[18:54:42] <mmu_man> just ridiculous explanation to something not funny at all
[18:54:47] <mmu_man> anyway
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[18:54:59] <StylusEater_Work> wow
[18:55:00] <mmu_man> plop
[18:55:18] <mmu_man> hey korli how come we don't see you on #haiku-fr ? :)
[18:55:30] <korli> hey mmu_man
[18:55:44] <thewolf> I didn't say IT was funy, just that THEY are a joke.
[18:55:50] <korli> cause I want to improve my english :)
[18:56:11] <mmu_man> :p
[18:56:24] <DeadYak> I'm not sure IRC is the best example of english to work with as a basis :)
[18:57:13] <korli> DeadYak: sure, it's just better than nothing
[18:57:26] <DeadYak> true enough :)
[18:57:31] <DeadYak> just saying :)
[18:57:44] <thewolf> And you'll pick up slang from every part of the world
[19:03:36] <JamesB192> You. You fragged. You fragged me. You fragged me. You fragged me so fast. You fragged me so fast. You fragged me so fast and I was not the last. Chainsaw, pistol, shotgun, rockets, unleashing Doom right from your pockets.
[19:03:58] <JamesB192> The flask with the mask contains the tea that is free.
[19:05:22] <mmu_man> that looks like it could have been a Weird Al Yankovic song
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[19:06:09] <mmu_man> reminds me of "Hardware Store"
[19:06:24] <mmu_man> http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/weirdalyankovic/hardwarestore.html
[19:07:01] * JamesB192 is just piping in fresh madness from the land of the broken mirror.
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[19:11:17] <JamesB192> When they're rules that aren't wrote. But they still cut your throat. They are mores.
[19:12:39] <kokito> good morning
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[19:24:05] <CIA-17> korli * r20751 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/fontdemo/ (6 files):
[19:24:05] <CIA-17> added a menu to change the drawing mode
[19:24:05] <CIA-17> bounding boxes are now drawn alternatively red and green to differenciate between characters
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[20:21:23] <CIA-17> wkornewald * r20752 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/usb/Stack.cpp: Fixed a memory leak.
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[20:23:03] <mmu_man> still, how do I build a debug version ? :)
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[20:23:29] <korli> mmu_man:  DEBUG=1 jam
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[20:25:13] <mmu_man> didn't seem to work much...
[20:26:20] <_konrad> Hello ladies
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[20:27:38] <_konrad> What can I use for MSN theese days in BeOS?
[20:28:36] <kr1stof> IMkit used to work
[20:28:58] <_konrad> with avatars =)
[20:29:01] <_konrad> Just kidding
[20:30:01] <_konrad> kr1stof thanks for answering
[20:30:07] <_konrad> Its time to boot haiku.
[20:30:10] <_konrad> bye folks
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[20:35:53] <korli> mmu_man: works here
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[20:37:24] <korli> hey oco
[20:37:37] <oco> hey korli
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[20:58:50] <Grackle> Hm, Haiku's sis900 driver doesn't seem to work with my sis900 hardware.
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[21:00:14] <mmu_man> my sis900 onboard chip has burnt
[21:00:28] <Grackle> Though I did get my userbuildconfig to work properly, yay. I don't think the jamrules are testing for it correctly.
[21:00:51] <Grackle> I put the latest sis900 driver on the image, so let me try that..
[21:02:32] <Grackle> How'd you kill it, mmu_man, or did it just die of its own accord?
[21:03:10] * Grackle boots the new image
[21:04:36] <dr_evil> if (!mode != !!false) {
[21:04:43] <dr_evil> } else if (!mode != !false) {
[21:04:46] <DeadYak> please tell me that wasn't real code
[21:04:54] <Grackle> haha o.o
[21:05:14] <DeadYak> by real I mean production code
[21:05:17] <dr_evil> doubt that DeadYak
[21:05:20] <Grackle> Negatory, it wasn't not real pseudocode.
[21:05:21] <rammsteined> O_o
[21:05:53] <Grackle> Is there anything I need to do to load drivers in Haiku?
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[21:07:40] <DeadYak> Grackle: nothing beyond making sure they're in the right dir
[21:08:01] <mmu_man> Grackle lightning
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[21:08:54] <dr_evil> a link
[21:09:11] <Grackle> k DeadYak, I guess it just doesn't work.
[21:09:17] <Grackle> mmu_man: Haha, oh.
[21:10:19] <Grackle> I've had a modem fail due to lightning, luckily nothing else.
[21:10:57] <mmu_man> took 2 PSUs, one hub and that onboard nic, but at least nothing lese on the mobo
[21:11:08] <DeadYak> Grackle: does /var/log/syslog show it trying to load at all?
[21:11:50] <rammsteined> I killed a pair of $10,000 speakers and an amp, with lightning.
[21:11:57] <DeadYak> ouch
[21:11:59] <rammsteined> Always unplug the damned things
[21:12:00] <DeadYak> please tell me you had insurance
[21:12:22] <rammsteined> yeah, for the amp
[21:12:35] <DeadYak> :/
[21:12:45] <Grackle> DeadYak, I don't appear to have anything at all in /var/log
[21:13:17] <DeadYak> Grackle: ah, do you have syslog_debug_output enabled in config/settings/kernel/drivers/kernel?
[21:13:19] <Grackle> Damn, rammsteined, that sucks.
[21:13:36] <Grackle> DeadYak: Probably not.
[21:13:57] <DeadYak> Grackle: may want to :)
[21:14:02] <DeadYak> might give you some clues as to why it's failing
[21:14:20] <Grackle> Right. This is the stuff I need to learn. :)
[21:14:21] <rammsteined> Now that I think about it, if I'd stuck with the low grade speaker cable things would've been fine
[21:14:33] * Grackle comes from the linux world and has little experience with BeOS
[21:14:52] <DeadYak> Grackle: at least I'm assuming the variable's still called that...it was in R5 anyhow
[21:15:07] <hUMUNGUs> Grackle: my condolences.. hehe..
[21:15:45] <hUMUNGUs> Welcome to the Be World.
[21:16:19] <Grackle> Well, I do like linux a lot. It's not something I plan on ever leaving completely, but I want to be part of the Be world as well.
[21:16:43] <hUMUNGUs> thats good. I cant stand linux myself..
[21:16:52] <Grackle> Found that variable, DeadYak. *makes a new image*
[21:16:53] <hUMUNGUs> i like Beryl though..
[21:17:19] <Grackle> Heh, I always thought Beryl was neat but kinda useless.
[21:17:31] <hUMUNGUs> its useless yeah, but i
[21:17:42] <hUMUNGUs> m a eyecandy freak. Love UI and stuff.
[21:18:23] <Grackle> I think it will be a lot better (and actually useful) after a while. Right now they're just making crazy effects.
[21:18:28] <petterhj> I love UI too, and thats why I hate KDE :p
[21:18:37] <hUMUNGUs> i agree. gotta start somewhere.
[21:19:20] <Grackle> Heh, it took a lot of fiddling to get KDE to a point where I like it, but it's what I use now.
[21:19:29] <petterhj> you don't need the window to turn into a chess board when closing it..
[21:19:35] <hUMUNGUs> I C.
[21:19:37] <DeadYak> of the linux DE's KDE is the one I hate the least :P
[21:19:45] <Grackle> hah
[21:20:03] <petterhj> Gnome looks better
[21:20:06] <rammsteined> I've used BeOS exactly once. Five years ago. But once was enough.
[21:20:07] 
[21:20:13] <Grackle> I definately find Gnome and KDE way more usable than Windows or Mac OS.
[21:20:27] 
[21:20:46] <DeadYak> petterhj: I hate the look of GTK :P And I find that gnome goes too far in the direction of treating the user as a moron
[21:20:57] 
[21:20:59] <DeadYak> let alone that it has probably the worst file selector I've ever seen in my life
[21:21:24] <petterhj> DeadYak; I just hate glass/transparent in GUIs, and don't like toolbars on every side of the window
[21:21:38] <DeadYak> petterhj: I see no glass/transparency in KDE's UI
[21:21:40] 
[21:21:55] <hUMUNGUs> petterhj: ja hvorfor ikke..
[21:22:02] 
[21:22:13] <petterhj> DeadYak; depends on how you configure it I guess
[21:22:20] <DeadYak> petterhj: I mean the defaults
[21:22:23] <Grackle> DeadYak: re gnome thinks the user is a moron, yeah, I agree.
[21:22:24] 
[21:22:46] <petterhj> DeadYak: bleh :p
[21:22:51] <CIA-17> stippi * r20753 /haiku/trunk/headers/build/HaikuBuildCompatibility.h: * define some more stuff
[21:22:52] 
[21:23:16] <petterhj> DeadYak: I guess how people configure it is the worst. and besides, I love Tango! :)
[21:24:03] 
[21:24:04] <Grackle> Ubuntu does a good job of making gnome look and work well. Some of the choices of the gnome team are kind of lame though, like the decision to remove screensaver settings because they are confusing, or the way the font size selection works.
[21:24:16] <hUMUNGUs> petterhj
[21:24:16] <DeadYak> petterhj: besides my biggest problem is every single GNOME app I try is unbelievably slow and unresponsive
[21:24:27] <hUMUNGUs> petterhj: jeg vet.. tragisk
[21:24:34] <DeadYak> by comparison the competition anyways
[21:24:58] <Grackle> DeadYak: I don't think that's gnome, it's probably something else. Gnome is not slow and unresponsive. It may be the driver for your video card. What video device do you have
[21:25:02] <Grackle> ?
[21:25:02] <petterhj> DeadYak: you don't say. It's mostly dog slow. Opening Calc takes several seconds.
[21:25:15] <petterhj> and thats why we use BeOS/Haiku
[21:25:21] <DeadYak> after being used to BeOS, that's unusable :P
[21:25:22] <Grackle> Most linux distros don't come with the non-free (better) drivers.
[21:25:27] <petterhj> hUMUNGUs: vet du om noen alternativer?
[21:25:53] 
[21:26:10] <hUMUNGUs> tror det finnes et par til i norge hvor det ikke bare er gamere.
[21:26:11] 
[21:26:21] <petterhj> men det er kanskje mest demo-folk?
[21:26:22] <hUMUNGUs> jo, solskogen.. stemmer..
[21:26:31] <hUMUNGUs> demo folk er bedre enn GAMERE iallefall
[21:26:34] <petterhj> ja, for all del
[21:26:35] <petterhj> hehe
[21:26:50] <CIA-17> stippi * r20754 /haiku/trunk/headers/build/private/app/ServerProtocol.h: * cleanup license header (and convert J?\195?\169r?\195?\180me to UTF8)
[21:26:50] <hUMUNGUs> var i demo gruppe for lenge siden selv.. hehe.. gammel SCENER jeg vettu.
[21:27:18] <petterhj> hUMUNGUs: som koder?
[21:27:32] 
[21:27:53] 
[21:27:56] 
[21:28:31] 
[21:28:32] <petterhj> :p
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[21:29:01] <hUMUNGUs> R2 feature suggestion: Amiga like screen dragging.. hehe.. would that be possible with HW accel. app_server ??
[21:29:02] <CIA-17> stippi * r20755 /haiku/trunk/headers/libs/icon/IconEditorProtocol.h: * thought of an extension for the icon editor protocol
[21:29:10] <hUMUNGUs> petterhj: hehe..
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[21:30:10] <petterhj> how is the Amiga screen dragging?
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[21:30:39] <hUMUNGUs> petterhj: u can drag down the workbench to see another fullscreen app "behind" it.
[21:30:45] <stargater> hi
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[21:30:54] <petterhj> checking
[21:30:55] <mmu_man> http://os4.hyperion-entertainment.biz/index.php%3Foption=content&task=view&id=9&Itemid=.html
[21:31:24] <mmu_man> http://os4.hyperion-entertainment.biz/images/stories/screens/screendrag.jpg
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[21:32:57] <Grackle> Okay, looking at my syslog, I'm getting a bunch of errors..
[21:33:11] <Grackle> KERN: PCI: pci_module_init
[21:33:21] <Grackle> KERN: PCI: no configuration mechanism found
[21:33:35] <DeadYak> that one's a known ticket I believe
[21:33:37] <Grackle> KERN: PCI: pci_controller_init failed
[21:33:44] <DeadYak> ouch.
[21:33:47] <DeadYak> question
[21:33:54] <DeadYak> do you happen to have PnP OS enabled in your BIOS?
[21:34:08] <Grackle> And then KERN: <driver> failed: general system error
[21:34:31] <Grackle> I know there is a setting, and I have been playing around with it trying to get BeOS to work. Should PnP be on or off?
[21:34:37] <DeadYak> off
[21:34:43] <DeadYak> generally for non-windows OSes off = better.
[21:34:44] <hUMUNGUs> yeah off
[21:34:44] <Grackle> Ah, I think it's on.
[21:34:53] <DeadYak> because off tells the BIOS to do hardware pnp
[21:35:00] <Grackle> Linux does a very good job of plug'n'play compatibility.
[21:35:03] <DeadYak> otherwise it leaves most stuff not configured until the OS starts it.
[21:35:18] <DeadYak> BeOS has traditionally assumed to let the BIOS do its job
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[21:36:25] <Grackle> There, Plug and Play aware OS: Off
[21:36:26] <Grackle> booting.
[21:36:35] <CIA-17> stippi * r20756 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/app/ViewLayer.cpp:
[21:36:35] <CIA-17> * bugfix in ScrollBy (it could scroll the screen area of hidden views)
[21:36:35] <CIA-17> * test the actually visible view area against dirty region,
[21:36:35] <CIA-17>  (this avoids making the client window call the Draw() function of views,
[21:36:35] <CIA-17>  even though all the drawing would get clipped on the server side)
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[21:36:38] <DeadYak> may or may not help in this case
[21:37:04] <Grackle> It did not.
[21:37:08] <DeadYak> :/ was worth a try
[21:37:51] <dr_evil> the syslog contains all usefu
[21:37:56] <dr_evil> l info
[21:37:57] <Grackle> I won't give up yet, I'm going to look a little more.
[21:38:13] <dr_evil> inckuding the PCI config of all devices
[21:39:27] <Grackle> Every time it tries to load a PCI device driver, I get the error I mentioned above.
[21:40:03] <dr_evil> no configuration mechanism found? thats fatal
[21:40:13] <dr_evil> what kind of board/chipset is that?
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[21:40:52] <Grackle> PCChips DDR266 SystemBoard M810D series
[21:40:55] <dr_evil> DeadYak I don't think we have an open ticket for that, or its assigned to wrong person
[21:40:56] <Grackle> has all SiS devices
[21:44:31] <dr_evil> I think you can stop trying. when the configuration mechanism doesn't get detected, you won't get any driver working
[21:46:03] <siarzhuk> may be should play with BIOS setup. All those ACPI etc... ?
[21:46:30] <DeadYak> dr_evil I thought there was a ticket about PCI configuration being incomplete
[21:46:54] <DeadYak> dr_evil: maybe I'm thinking of a different problem, the one I saw had to do with resource assignment I think
[21:47:18] <Grackle> DeadYak, tickets 3 4 and 5
[21:47:49] <Grackle> One of those?
[21:47:53] <Grackle> (or all)
[21:47:56] <dr_evil> well, this is different
[21:48:10] <dr_evil> you are stuck at the very bottom (return B_ERROR) of http://svn.berlios.de/viewcvs/haiku/haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/bus_managers/pci/arch/x86/pci_controller.c?rev=16086&view=markup
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[21:48:53] <dr_evil> PCI BIOS fallback isn't implemented so far
[21:49:11] <Grackle> oh I see
[21:49:20] <DeadYak> dr_evil: ah.
[21:49:52] <dr_evil> however, works for me, and I have no idea whats wrong with your setup, sorry
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[21:53:47] <soapdog> Hello all
[21:53:52] <wkornewald> does the patch for http://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/1159 look OK? any objections if I commit it? unfortunately, I couldn't test it because I'm on Windows
[21:54:00] <wkornewald> hi
[21:54:15] <soapdog> Hello waldemar! :D
[21:54:40] <Grackle> oh hi wkornewald
[21:55:28] <Grackle> and hi soapdog
[21:55:34] <emitrax> hi
[21:55:40] <soapdog> Hello Grackle!!
[21:55:44] <emitrax> how is it going guys ?
[21:56:03] <dr_evil> I don't like that patch wkornewald
[21:56:17] <soapdog> Hello Salvatore!
[21:56:29] <wkornewald> dr_evil, what's wrong with it? you mean, you don't like that right-click open a context menu?
[21:56:46] <dr_evil> wkornewald Right clicking always pasts text in BeOS, and I think it's good that way in haiku, too
[21:57:14] <Grackle> oh really?
[21:57:16] <Grackle> :/
[21:57:23] <wkornewald> dr_evil, but in all other situations right-click opens a context menu, so I think it's more consistent with the behavior of other apps
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[21:57:57] <mmu_man> with xterm pasting is also the middle btn
[21:58:05] <mmu_man> but yeah it's not how R5 did it
[21:58:30] <wkornewald> dr_evil, oh, you mean that it behaves like R5?
[21:58:38] <Grackle> Maybe it would make more sense for all of haiku to paste with the mmb, so right-clicking can open a contextual menu in textboxes, like it does everywhere else.
[21:58:40] <dr_evil> yes. well just don't apply it at this time, I added a comment to the bug
[21:58:59] <wkornewald> ok, thanks, I'll take a look
[21:59:20] <pikapika> hello
[21:59:24] <soapdog> hello!
[21:59:26] <dr_evil> well, it's the same as I wrote here. just postpone it
[21:59:40] <wkornewald> anyone mind if I replace "www.haiku-os.org" with "haiku-os.org" in AboutHaiku? :)
[22:00:01] <soapdog> I think it is nice without the www
[22:00:10] <dr_evil> I think it's nice with the www
[22:00:23] <Grackle> and www redirects to haiku-os.org anyway
[22:00:48] <dr_evil> yes thats strange Grackle
[22:00:53] <mmu_man> I think it's nice with the IP address =)
[22:00:54] <Grackle> Connecting to www.haiku-os.org|66.98.214.35|:80... connected.
[22:00:54] <Grackle> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently
[22:00:54] <Grackle> Location: http://haiku-os.org/ [following]
[22:00:59] <Grackle> haha mmu_man
[22:01:08] <wkornewald> heh
[22:01:15] <wkornewald> I just don't like this unnecessary stuff
[22:01:28] <dr_evil> Grackle i know how HTTP works, thanks
[22:02:06] <Grackle> Sorry dr_evil, I wasn't trying to be condescending, I just wanted to show that it wasn't my browser being weird.
[22:02:07] <wkornewald> www was a stupid invention. at heise.de there even was an article about the inventor admitting that it was a stupid idea
[22:02:30] <mmu_man> it wasn't
[22:02:46] <dr_evil> Grackle ok
[22:02:51] <DeadYak> at the time it made sense considering you also usually had ftp., gopher., etc.
[22:02:51] <mmu_man> it was useful at the time where web server were a specific host on a domain
[22:03:05] <dr_evil> www isn't a stupid idea, as it ftp
[22:03:22] <DeadYak> makes it clear what server's intended for what protocol
[22:03:27] <dr_evil> just the cheap setups have both on the same server
[22:03:55] <wkornewald> well, those times are over :)
[22:04:42] <dr_evil> I don't think so. some even use different servers for static content, etc
[22:04:50] <wkornewald> I mean, in a web browser people often type in "www." first, but these are really four unnecessary key strokes
[22:05:06] 
[22:05:36] <wkornewald> http://no-www.org/ :)
[22:05:59] <stargater> http://haiku.mlotz.ch/
[22:06:17] <stargater> why not post it in a haiku blog ?
[22:06:18] 
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[22:06:46] <wkornewald> yep. well, I'll remove it from AboutHaiku since our website is without www, anyway
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[22:07:42] <Grackle> I don't think it matters that much. Either one works. The one without www makes marginally more sense because it doesn't redirect, but it doesn't seem like much of an issue.
[22:07:50] <Grackle> er ok
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[22:09:10] <soapdog> will setting HAIKU_INSTALL_DIR during jam time work if the mounted partition is not BFS? I have spare ext2 partitions to use...
[22:09:11] <CIA-17> wkornewald * r20757 /haiku/trunk/src/apps/abouthaiku/AboutHaiku.cpp: Cosmetic change. Our website has no www.
[22:09:12] <wkornewald> mwa mwa!
[22:09:33] <siarzhuk> could someone reassign ticket 672 from the e-mail to my user-name? ;-) looks like I don't own my bugs! :D
[22:09:45] * wkornewald is waiting for the flaming :)
[22:10:03] <siarzhuk> it is currently assigned to imker at gmx dot li not to my name "siarzhuk" :-\
[22:12:26] <wkornewald> uhm, it can't be assigned to you without giving you full developer access. what just adding you to the cc?
[22:13:21] <siarzhuk> I have it. This ticket was assigned to me in Bugzilla
[22:13:34] <DeadYak> soapdog: Haiku can't boot off something that isn't BFS
[22:13:36] <wkornewald> Trac is different. are you the driver author?
[22:13:41] <siarzhuk> yes
[22:13:53] <wkornewald> ok, I'll give you dev access and make you the owner of the component
[22:14:05] <siarzhuk> thanks
[22:14:18] <wkornewald> do you work on all SiS cards?
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[22:14:49] * kokito thinks wkornewald does not like the world wide web
[22:15:11] <wkornewald> hehe, kokito
[22:15:14] <wkornewald> hi kokito!
[22:15:33] <kokito> hello wk
[22:16:10] <siarzhuk> not. only audio. trident 4dx/nx and theirs clones: sis7018 ali5451.
[22:16:46] <siarzhuk> btw, usb serial and mass storage - my contribution too
[22:16:47] <wkornewald> siarzhuk, that's what I meant. I must create a new component. shall I call it Drivers/Audio/SiS?
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[22:17:18] <wkornewald> omg, sorry :)
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[22:17:47] <siarzhuk> bsd and linux call this "tridnet 4dwave" but sis7018 was my base development platform ;-)
[22:17:55] <siarzhuk> trident
[22:18:05] <DeadYak> soapdog: shouldn't, that's too destructive an operation :)
[22:18:07] <siarzhuk> let it be sis7018
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[22:18:42] <siarzhuk> btw there is also sis7012 audio - it is more ICH audio than trident...
[22:18:57] <siarzhuk> so Audio/SiS is not correct, IMO
[22:19:02] <siarzhuk> :-\
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[22:19:46] <wkornewald> I can add multiple components, too :)
[22:19:48] 
[22:20:41] <siarzhuk> may be we should not to multiple instances ;-)
[22:20:59] <wkornewald> well, what I can do is assign "Audio" to you :)
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[22:21:30] <siarzhuk> complete Audio drivers ? 8-( )
[22:21:36] <siarzhuk> :-)
[22:21:56] <siarzhuk> you can put this bug to Audio category, I think
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[22:22:36] <siarzhuk> I meant I'm not brave enough to be responcible for all drivers. :-)
[22:22:47] <siarzhuk> for all audio drivers
[22:23:10] <wkornewald> so, you're brave enough for all audio drivers? :)
[22:24:57] <siarzhuk> no... it is bit boring to be "audio only writer". :-) left me some time for other interesting deeds
[22:27:40] <siarzhuk> seen the changes in the ticket. thanks!
[22:28:38] 
[22:28:49] <wkornewald> but you can now assign any other tickets to you
[22:28:58] <wkornewald> feel free to start coding for Haiku ;)
[22:28:58] <siarzhuk> ok
[22:29:23] <siarzhuk> :)
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[22:30:47] <Grackle> Will Haiku play nicely with my AGP graphics card?
[22:30:49] <wkornewald> if there is any component you should own, let me know
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[22:33:25] <Grackle> Well, I'm about to find out.
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[22:34:00] <wkornewald> it should
[22:34:39] <Grackle> Oo, correct resolution on first boot.
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[22:34:56] <DeadYak> yay.
[22:35:13] <Grackle> No ethernet here though. :(
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[22:35:29] <siarzhuk> ok. btw, regarding ticket 155. I have the same problem currently - the ps2 keyboard don't recognozed by Haiku. this is 100% reproducible on my notebook :-) only mouse working on extension ps2 port. neither inbound keyboard nor synaptic (ps2, standard) touchpad  working. May be this related to ticket 155 or not? What do you think?
[22:35:38] <Grackle> Same errors.
[22:36:21] * Grackle put his haiku HDD in his hp pavillion
[22:36:28] <wkornewald> siarzhuk,strange...I had that bug with my keyboard, but then Marcus removed an unnecessary initialization and it went away. I think you should add a comment to the bug
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[22:37:12] <DaaT> kokito!!
[22:37:34] <siarzhuk> well. I'll dig a bit with logging and then add the information.
[22:38:01] <kokito> hey DaaT
[22:38:13] <rammsteined> have languages like php and ruby been ported to BeOS?
[22:38:15] <DaaT> hiya
[22:38:20] <DaaT> pvt
[22:38:22] <siarzhuk> I have this problem about some month.
[22:38:44] <DeadYak> ruby I think has, not sure about php
[22:39:05] <stargater> DaaT, check = berndsworld.com
[22:39:16] <DaaT> ok
[22:39:25] <stargater> DaaT, and this http://haiku.mlotz.ch/
[22:39:34] <rammsteined> hmm, I use a little known one, I figure it'd be pretty hard to prot
[22:39:38] <rammsteined> port :/
[22:40:03] <DaaT> cool stargater, takk :)
[22:40:10] <petterhj> hUMUNGUs: 2.28 tror jeg. funka for meg.
[22:41:05] <stargater> :-)
[22:41:08] <hUMUNGUs> hm. ok! siste versjon funker iallefall ikke for meg.. trenger vel kun BeShare fila ?
[22:41:30] <petterhj> ja. BeShare.x86 :) hva skjer da? ingen ting?
[22:41:58] 
[22:42:03] <petterhj> hUMUNGUs: http://beos.petterhj.net/beshare.zip
[22:42:17] <hUMUNGUs> Takk
[22:42:25] 
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[22:42:38] <hUMUNGUs> jau..
[22:44:03] <petterhj> hUMUNGUs: skal hvertfall funke: http://www.hug-nordic.org/information/haiku/screenshots/haiku_walter/picture/beshare :D
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[22:44:28] <petterhj> ah :)
[22:46:15] <wkornewald> siarzhuk, does your mass storage module already work in Haiku? is there anything that needs to be done?
[22:48:45] <siarzhuk> it should be "ported" to new disk API first. Some code should be removed (thing know as node reservation). Unfprtuantely my OHCI USB controller is still not supported. :-\
[22:49:39] <wkornewald> hmm...wouldn't that be a nice task for someone who has a few hours to spend on coding? :)
[22:50:18] <siarzhuk> do you mean OHCI bus manager?
[22:50:28] <wkornewald> yep
[22:50:49] <siarzhuk> AFAIR nielx "promised" to implement it about year ago. :-)
[22:51:03] <wkornewald> niels? he's busy with documentation, atm. ah, well, maybe one of our students has enough time :)
[22:51:15] <siarzhuk> Yes, I seen
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[22:59:24] <wkornewald> bye, everyone!
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[23:20:22] <[Beta]> Konversation is nice (KDE's irc client), allows you to attach users to your Contacts. Would be lovely if Vision did that with People. (does it?)
[23:22:49] <DeadYak> nope
[23:22:54] <DeadYak> care to clarify?
[23:23:07] <DeadYak> as in associate an IRC nickname with a contact?
[23:23:57] <[Beta]> yeah, you right click on the nick in nick list, and either create contact, or associate with a current one
[23:24:16] <DeadYak> any idea that's global across nets or if it associates with a particular nick on a particular server?
[23:24:19] <[Beta]> it opens the address book, and fills out some details for you.
[23:24:36] <[Beta]> their implementation is weak, afaik, its nick based
[23:24:42] <DeadYak> ah.
[23:25:05] <DeadYak> well, next question would be what does it then let you do? right click their nick in Konversation and email them or whatnot?
[23:25:06] <[Beta]> you'd prolly want some autodetected nick!ident@host/server
[23:25:19] <CIA-17> axeld * r20758 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/ (scheduler.cpp thread.c): (log message trimmed)
[23:25:19] <CIA-17> * More or less reverted my previous thread_yield() change: while this gives
[23:25:19] <CIA-17>  threads with higher priorities a much better scheduling experience, it
[23:25:19] <CIA-17>  also creates a problem as soon as more than one higher priority thread
[23:25:19] <CIA-17>  waits on a resource held by a lower priority thread; the higher priority
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[23:25:22] <CIA-17>  threads play ping-pong, and the lower priority thread doesn't get it's
[23:25:22] <[Beta]> email, allow you to track your friends
[23:25:24] <CIA-17>  chance.
[23:25:27] <DeadYak> @host would be iffy given masking and DHCP
[23:25:32] <[Beta]> could do more: store relevant logs, etc
[23:25:39] <DeadYak> ah.
[23:25:50] <[Beta]> DeadYak, I guess it depends how you autodetect it :^)
[23:26:19] <DeadYak> well, I guess someone could do it....it's not quite as convenient API-wise on BeOS though since there isn't really a People file kit or anything, you have to query for the files and manipulate the attrs yourself
[23:26:28] * [Beta] nods
[23:26:42] <korli> DeadYak: Konversation attach the nickname and the network as for IM
[23:26:44] <[Beta]> something to find/merge/manage People would be really useful
[23:26:45] <DeadYak> I do practically no code outside of work right now though :/
[23:26:50] <DeadYak> korli: ah.
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[23:30:37] <CIA-17> axeld * r20759 /haiku/trunk/src/system/kernel/sem.c:
[23:30:37] <CIA-17> Disabled priority boost on semaphore release completely now (after having pacified it
[23:30:37] <CIA-17> quite a bit in the past already); it somehow doesn't work right with how semaphores
[23:30:37] <CIA-17> are used in BeOS/Haiku.
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[23:34:09] <mmu_man> hmm now Haiku keeps rebooting :-(
[23:34:19] <mmu_man> seems teh radeon driver goes nuts
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[23:37:31] <mmu_man> well, n8 anyway
[23:38:13] <[Beta]> nn
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[23:58:34] <Pulko_Mandy> +++
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[23:59:56] <CIA-17> korli * r20760 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/media_addon/ (Jamfile MediaFilePlayer.cpp MediaFilePlayer.h): Sound events are now played with a BSoundPlayer, because it's more easy to handle restart and have a correct name displayed in the mixer. Sound players are reused when possible
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