April 8, 2007 
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April 8, 2007 [00:00:37] <dr_evil> volatile int i = 0; i /= i;[00:01:03] <dr_evil> I used that at work, works as expected, even with optimization turned on[00:01:55] <Pulko__Mandy> +++[00:01:59] *** Pulko__Mandy has quit IRC[00:02:06] *** genkie has joined #haiku[00:02:37] *** LeandroLuiz is now known as LeandroLuiz[OFF][00:03:02] <DaaT> http://www.funnyjunk.com/movies/642/Sugar+Were+Goin+Down+Swingin/[00:06:30] <dr_evil> http://noonebelongsheremorethanyou.com funny[00:07:40] <nielx> hmmm, gmail's messed up[00:08:25] <nielx> my account must be on a bad server[00:08:34] <nielx> it's the second time in a month that it's been this way[00:08:51] <DaaT> yep, not getting e-mail as well nielx[00:10:03] *** umccullough has joined #haiku[00:39:34] *** genkie has quit IRC[00:45:19] *** DaaT has quit IRC[00:46:13] *** wildur has quit IRC[00:56:30] *** sarcas has quit IRC[00:59:12] *** doppeljot has joined #haiku[00:59:37] *** dark-dante has joined #haiku[01:03:47] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[01:08:24] *** Jin has joined #Haiku[01:08:31] <Jin> hi[01:09:12] <Jin> somebody wanna shed some light on something for me? I just installed beos max 4, and I need the beos RTL8169 driver for my ethernet card, but apparently it costs money and it can't be downloaded from bebits, is this correct?[01:09:40] <nielx> the author just left[01:09:43] *** emitrax_ has joined #haiku[01:10:45] <nielx> but I think he opened it up[01:10:53] <Jin> I hope so[01:11:08] <Jin> or else I just wasted a good portion of my day :S[01:11:17] *** Begasus has quit IRC[01:13:08] <nielx> yes, it's definately open now[01:13:35] <nielx> ory.haiku-os.org[01:13:42] <nielx> hmmm[01:13:49] <nielx> this wasn't suposed to go into this window[01:14:00] <[Beta]> lol[01:14:46] <Jin> I've been doing that all day on messengers, don't worry :P[01:14:49] *** hapo has left #haiku[01:15:51] <nielx> you're out of luck mate, it isn't automatically built on the build factory[01:16:10] <nielx> so I don't know where you can grab your download[01:16:42] <Jin> hmm...:/[01:16:51] <Jin> could I just compile it myself in max?[01:17:03] <Jin> I don't have compilaphobia :D[01:17:22] *** emitrax__ has quit IRC[01:19:11] <nielx> yes, you could, but you will need the source first[01:19:22] <nielx> and I guess that's going to be the problem without networking[01:20:36] <Jin> if it's in an archive it won't be that big of a deal[01:20:45] <Jin> just leave it on my ntfs partition and grab it from max[01:20:53] <Jin> afaik max DOES have ntfs read support[01:20:59] <geist> it better, I wrote it[01:21:23] <Jin> :)[01:23:29] <nielx> well, there must be source archives[01:23:48] <nielx> though I don't use them, so I can't help you on finding them[01:23:52] <nielx> check out the tutorials on compilling on the website[01:23:55] <nielx> they should get you started[01:24:49] *** Euver has quit IRC[01:25:23] *** doppeljot has quit IRC[01:26:05] <dark-dante> Can someone tell me what is the status of vmware-graphic driver, as I read on haik-os.org that it is out of new releases?[01:28:35] *** dark-dante is now known as d0minus[01:29:02] *** d0minus is now known as d00minus[01:40:22] *** BGA has joined #haiku[01:40:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[01:41:03] *** emitrax_ has quit IRC[01:41:48] *** BGA has quit IRC[01:55:26] *** phrizek_ has joined #haiku[01:57:55] *** pikapika has quit IRC[02:00:15] *** phrizek_ has quit IRC[02:01:06] <nielx> wow[02:02:17] <[Beta]> ?[02:02:38] <nielx> that's all, I'm just quiet[02:02:50] <nielx> Do you watch the tv-show Shark?[02:02:59] <[Beta]> fraid not :)[02:03:06] <[Beta]> what is it?[02:03:40] <nielx> do you know House?[02:03:44] <[Beta]> yup[02:04:18] <nielx> basically it's house in court[02:04:37] <nielx> you know, hate 'em love 'em older main character with a lot of wisdom and a terrible character[02:04:50] <nielx> four young lawyers trying to keep up[02:04:53] <[Beta]> hmm, prolly not my cup of tea then.[02:05:10] <[Beta]> lawyers, you know.[02:05:15] <nielx> female authorative figure (played by Jerry Ryan)[02:05:35] <[Beta]> Seven of Nine?[02:05:44] <nielx> and not an investigative mode, but rather trial and error, until at the end something magically sticks ('works with spaghetti' - House)[02:05:46] <nielx> yes[02:05:51] <[Beta]> ah[02:06:05] <nielx> it's basically a rip-off, but I really liked the writing, the acting and the direction[02:06:22] <nielx> the format wasn't unique, but the series was[02:06:34] <nielx> but then I just watched a great episode[02:06:46] <nielx> no, superb[02:06:51] <[Beta]> sounds like it pulls you in at least. what happened?[02:06:52] <nielx> in which the whole format is shuffled around[02:07:13] <nielx> well, basically, it's a completely different type of writing[02:07:26] <nielx> there's this big explosion dealer whom they are trying to get[02:07:45] <nielx> one of the young lawyers is kidnapped[02:07:50] <nielx> and at the end one of them dies[02:08:02] <nielx> ... and in tv writing that's usually a death sentence[02:08:05] <[Beta]> A bit harsh for an episode![02:08:24] <nielx> yes well, it's episode 11, so it's the mid-season arch[02:08:29] *** Mazon is now known as mazon[02:08:46] <nielx> which should hook up new viewers after the christmas break[02:08:56] <nielx> but I think they pulled it off[02:10:21] <nielx> this kind of episodes, the ones that win emmy's, is why I just love television fiction[02:12:32] *** Sloar has quit IRC[02:14:47] <[Beta]> There's an awful lot of good TV at the moment, i'd have to agree.[02:15:12] <[Beta]> I'm starting to miss Arrested Development, I thought that was superb, for nearly every episode.[02:16:25] <[Beta]> good night though (early start tomorrow)[02:16:40] <nielx> bye![02:17:56] <aldeck> Jin: still around?[02:19:06] <Jin> nice timing, I just sat back down :)[02:19:59] <umccullough> d00minus, vmware video driver... what do you want to know?[02:20:23] <d00minus> well ... just the current status ...[02:20:24] <aldeck> Jin: just seen the rtl8169 driver, it's in the haiku source tree[02:20:46] <umccullough> d00minus, it's there... it sorta works... it's not included by default in the haiku images[02:20:57] <d00minus> umccullough: I may be able to help further developing it[02:21:24] <umccullough> d00minus, the devs stopped using it because it didn't work when Haiku KDL'd - something about screen refresh failing[02:21:36] <umccullough> so the VESA driver ended up being more useful for development[02:22:05] <Jin> aldeck, so that means I shouldn't have a problem compiling it in max, but that means I need to grab the haiku tree, and how am I going to do that with no network :/[02:22:13] <umccullough> d00minus, if you could figure out why it screwed up KDL and fixed it, i'm certain the devs would re-add it to the image by default[02:22:31] <umccullough> Jin, you want me to compile it and post it somewhere?[02:22:46] <Jin> if you could I'd greatly appreciate it[02:22:55] <umccullough> i assume you checked the build factory already[02:23:09] <d00minus> umccullough: thaks for info, I'll do my best[02:24:02] <umccullough> Jin, will take a while - i just updated my tree[02:24:20] <umccullough> was already in the middle of a jam haiku-image ;)[02:24:56] <Jin> <nielx> you're out of luck mate, it isn't automatically built on the build factory[02:25:06] <Jin> maybe I should put in for a request for it to be built on buildfactory[02:25:37] <nielx> I'd say, check back in again tomorrow and ask dr_evil where you can find a binary[02:26:00] <umccullough> Jin, check in the networking package there - i think it wraps up a bunch of the drivers[02:26:35] <Jin> alright[02:26:36] <umccullough> oh nevermind..i don't even see that anymore[02:26:56] <Jin> :S[02:27:08] <umccullough> hmm..i should create a separate jam package target for that driver... i might just do that and submit the patch[02:27:21] * umccullough did this for the vmware video driver[02:28:02] *** gotaku has quit IRC[02:41:38] *** jali has joined #haiku[02:41:41] *** snipe714 has joined #haiku[02:42:40] <nielx> make sure you assign it to marcus though[02:43:44] <umccullough> oh, the trac ticket/[02:43:45] <umccullough> ?[02:44:23] <nielx> yeah[02:52:21] *** Sloar has joined #haiku[02:54:49] <kokito> nielx!![02:55:36] <nielx> kokito: hi ![02:55:47] <kokito> :)[02:57:01] <nielx> how are you?[02:57:29] *** gr00ber has quit IRC[02:57:56] *** umccullough_ has joined #haiku[02:58:09] <kokito> I'm good nielx, and you?[02:59:01] <nielx> well, things are going pretty good, but I think I have a virus infection though[02:59:10] *** umccullough has quit IRC[02:59:24] *** umccullough_ is now known as umccullough[03:00:06] <Jin> in your computer or yourself?[03:00:09] <Jin> hehe[03:00:51] * umccullough has a virus *himself* also[03:00:54] <nielx> unfortunately in me :-)[03:01:00] <kokito> nielx: hope you (or your computer) can get rid of the virus soon[03:01:07] <nielx> or my mouth to be more specific[03:01:07] <umccullough> i swear i can't stay healthy for more than a week[03:01:24] <nielx> I can't eat anything that's salty, spicey or hot :-)[03:01:35] <umccullough> salty?[03:01:42] <Jin> umccullough, yeah I hear that[03:01:47] *** oco has quit IRC[03:01:50] <Jin> I've got some sort of virus right now too, but they have no idea what it is[03:01:58] <Jin> seems to be causing excessive sleep and tiredness[03:02:11] <nielx> epstein bar?[03:02:17] <nielx> (or whatever the spelling is?)[03:02:20] <Jin> who what?[03:02:45] <nielx> well, you've got an array of docters working on you[03:02:54] <nielx> I won't help :-)[03:03:05] <nielx> anyway kokito, regretting leaving us yet?[03:03:40] * umccullough awaits the vague reply[03:03:50] <kokito> nope, have no regrets about leaving the admi group.[03:03:57] <Jin> nielx, I did blood tests on tuesday, SHOULD'VE been called with the results by now but yeah, easter and such...[03:03:58] <umccullough> wow...that was clear ;)[03:04:03] <Jin> and what do you mean, kokito left us?[03:04:13] <Jin> oh[03:04:14] <Jin> heh[03:04:43] <kokito> umccullough: was that clear enough? :P[03:04:52] <umccullough> kokito, it was...[03:09:09] *** steffen_f_ has joined #haiku[03:16:08] *** guma has quit IRC[03:24:45] *** M199 has joined #haiku[03:24:57] * Jin sighs[03:25:25] *** steffen_f has quit IRC[03:29:30] *** stargater has quit IRC[03:30:20] *** absabs has joined #haiku[03:30:41] <umccullough> Jin, msg me an email addr to send that package - my FTP is down :([03:36:05] *** snipe714 has quit IRC[03:41:07] *** M_199 has quit IRC[03:44:32] <Jin> umccullough, looks like it's all in there, I'll get back to you on that[03:50:44] <Jin> alright[03:50:47] <Jin> I'm going to try this[03:50:53] <Jin> I hope there's an IRC client in max, lol...[03:51:18] <Jin> bbiab[03:51:24] *** Jin has quit IRC[03:57:59] <umccullough> heh[04:01:10] <CIA-17> bonefish * r20607 /haiku/trunk/headers/build/os/support/Errors.h: Added ENOATTR.[04:02:30] *** nielx has quit IRC[04:04:22] <CIA-17> bonefish * r20608 /haiku/trunk/src/build/libroot/errors.cpp:[04:04:22] <CIA-17> Assigning values to errno would not work; the next invocation would[04:04:22] <CIA-17> overwrite them with the host platform errno again. We do now track[04:04:22] <CIA-17> changes and use a hopefully reasonable strategy for updating the host[04:04:22] <CIA-17> errno.[04:13:23] *** d00minus has quit IRC[04:14:04] *** stargater has joined #haiku[04:19:05] <CIA-17> bonefish * r20609 /haiku/trunk/ (7 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)[04:19:05] <CIA-17> Under Linux it is now possible to emulate the BeOS attribute support via[04:19:05] <CIA-17> xattrs. It can be enabled with the configure switch "--use-xattr". Note[04:19:05] <CIA-17> that the amount of data stored in attributes may be limited by the used[04:19:05] <CIA-17> file system -- e.g. AFAIK ext3 has a limit of one block (usually 4 KB)[04:19:06] <CIA-17> for all attributes of a file, which might not suffice. XFS should be[04:19:10] <CIA-17> fine, as should ReiserFS 3.6 (or any FS which stores attributes in[04:19:25] *** zl0minus has joined #haiku[04:19:56] * _hugo hugs bonefish[04:20:04] *** absabs has quit IRC[04:20:07] <_hugo> while still battling with locking issues. /me cries[04:21:11] <CIA-17> bonefish * r20610 /haiku/trunk/build/jam/MiscRules:[04:21:11] <CIA-17> The ":" to identify a target for the "run" feature must be at the[04:21:11] <CIA-17> beginning of the string; it was formerly matched anywhere.[04:24:08] *** absabs has joined #haiku[04:29:13] * umccullough pats _hugo on the back assuringly[04:29:23] <umccullough> *reassuringly[04:34:25] <_hugo> :-)[04:38:12] *** nik0 has quit IRC[04:44:37] * [Katisu] is dealing with a KDL'ing Haiku[04:48:25] <umccullough> where does it kdl?[04:48:45] <umccullough> as in, what's the stacktrace say?[04:52:18] <umccullough> hrm, i dont have permissions to specify who to assign trac tickets to :([04:52:21] <[Katisu]> I will have check later[04:52:50] <[Katisu]> only thing I remember is it stating segmentation fault[05:03:58] <geist> hmm, that seems funny. there is no segmentation fault in the kernel[05:06:23] <umccullough> lol[05:06:36] <umccullough> probably a gdb failure[05:07:02] <umccullough> userland that is[05:09:28] *** Karina`` has joined #haiku[05:16:24] <[Katisu]> well, that's not the stacktrace[05:17:22] <[Katisu]> I'm downloading an image from haikuhost, see if it does the same thing[05:19:14] *** thedave has joined #haiku[05:19:21] <thedave> o/[05:20:54] <thedave> got a quick question for you, how would someone file a bug in haiku if you're not one of the devs?[05:21:16] <thedave> is dropping off a mail to the ml a good idea, should i use the bugtracker instead or what? :)[05:21:17] <umccullough> http://dev.haiku-os.org[05:22:00] <thedave> file a bug on the tracker then, thanks[05:23:21] <[Katisu]> just make sure it isn't already on there[05:23:56] <thedave> yeah, i searched for it earlier and didn't find it. to my surprise really since the bug has been around for a few years now :)[05:24:17] <[Katisu]> bahh..probably have to wipe my generated folder[05:26:53] <[Katisu]> must have rotted since I haven't generated an image for a while[05:29:28] <_hugo> thedave: which bug?[05:29:59] <thedave> corrupted graphics on intel extreme 2[05:30:21] <_hugo> i see[05:30:41] <thedave> can't handle digital output so the laptop display is a goner[05:30:52] *** aldeck has quit IRC[05:34:29] *** Karina`` has quit IRC[05:43:46] *** kb7sqi has joined #haiku[05:46:13] <umccullough> thedave, hardly any work has been done on the intel_extreme driver[05:46:28] <umccullough> axel will simply insist that someone provides him with the hardware in order to fix it ;)[05:46:40] <thedave> hehe[05:47:01] <thedave> looks like i'm stuck with vesa for testing then :)[05:47:07] <umccullough> seriously though - that driver doesn't work right with my i915 either...[05:47:28] <umccullough> causes my CRT to report invalid scan freq :([05:47:46] <thedave> sounds similar to the problem i have[05:47:53] <umccullough> what chipset?[05:47:59] <thedave> 855[05:48:06] <thedave> think it's called i830[05:48:12] <thedave> the graphics bit that is[05:48:18] <umccullough> that one should be a bit closer to working[05:48:54] <thedave> good thing beos handles vesa so good, otherwise i'd be crazy by now[05:49:00] <thedave> *well[05:53:12] *** stargater has quit IRC[05:54:17] *** umccullough has quit IRC[06:03:53] <CHodapp> yay, VESA still exists[06:19:06] *** _Lucretia_ has joined #haiku[06:22:24] *** umccullough has joined #haiku[06:26:24] *** umccullough has quit IRC[06:26:30] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[06:27:36] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[06:29:09] *** kokito has quit IRC[06:36:08] *** umccullough has joined #haiku[06:38:15] *** phrizek has joined #haiku[06:40:26] *** LeandroLuiz[OFF] has quit IRC[07:13:12] *** SunWuKung has joined #haiku[07:14:40] *** SunWuKung has quit IRC[07:15:31] *** SunWuKung has joined #haiku[07:24:33] *** phrizek has left #haiku[07:35:25] *** _Lucretia has joined #haiku[07:38:35] *** JonathanThompson has quit IRC[07:38:46] *** _Lucretia_ has quit IRC[07:47:24] *** kr1stof_ is now known as kr1stof[07:50:36] <CIA-17> hugosantos * r20611 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/stack/ (6 files): introduced net_device_interface level locking.[07:50:49] <CIA-17> hugosantos * r20612 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/ (6 files in 3 dirs):[07:50:49] <CIA-17> moved IFF_LINK handling to the device module (ethernet in this case). Now domain[07:50:49] <CIA-17> interfaces only keep specific flags such as IFF_UP and the configuration flags.[07:50:49] <CIA-17> IFF_LINK, IFF_BROADCAST etc are maintained exclusively by the device.[07:50:55] <CIA-17> hugosantos * r20613 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/stack/datalink.cpp: updated some locking related comments.[07:55:41] *** SunWuKung has quit IRC[07:58:45] *** SunWuKung has joined #haiku[08:12:57] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[08:13:44] <Begasus> morning peeps[08:24:33] *** _Lucretia_ has joined #haiku[08:25:49] *** _Lucretia has quit IRC[08:26:50] *** JonathanThompson has joined #Haiku[08:28:23] <Teknomancer> bbiab[08:28:25] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[08:29:34] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[08:31:35] *** thedave_ has joined #haiku[08:31:51] *** dtravis7 has joined #haiku[08:32:09] *** thedave has quit IRC[08:33:03] *** dtravis7 has left #haiku[08:38:46] *** luposian has joined #haiku[08:54:12] *** thedave_ has quit IRC[08:54:15] *** cyraq has joined #haiku[09:05:08] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[09:15:21] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[09:20:18] *** mazon is now known as Mazon[09:20:20] <JonathanThompson> Howdy Teknomancer.[09:20:25] <Teknomancer> hi JonathanThompson[09:21:08] <arachnist> hi *[09:21:11] <JonathanThompson> I was in a cattle ranch, in a bad neighborhood, using my universal translator to listen in on their conversation, and I heard bull refer to his friend as "A brudder from anudder udder"[09:21:37] <geist> *groan*[09:21:46] <Teknomancer> hah[09:21:55] <JonathanThompson> What's your beef with that, geist? :P[09:22:13] <geist> *groan*[09:22:24] * JonathanThompson milks bad cow puns for all they're worth[09:22:31] <Teknomancer> which footballer is good with matrices?? ... Ro(row)naldo :P[09:22:42] <_hugo> o.O[09:23:03] <JonathanThompson> Another one referred to his beefy friend as "meat on the hoof"[09:23:14] <JonathanThompson> I guess he suspected he'd soon be "What's for dinner"[09:24:06] <JonathanThompson> They were discussing the fate of a skunk found dead on the road: Road Kill: the other dead meat.[09:24:47] * JonathanThompson wonders if skunk light/dark meat is delineated in the same manner as their markings[09:25:55] <JonathanThompson> I've been within 3 feet of the business end of a skunk: I was walking home from the grocery store one night, minding my business, and he was at his grocery store, minding his business, and nothing filled the air of note.[09:26:44] <JonathanThompson> He was a quiet shopper, and I didn't realize he was there until I looked over and saw him rooting for stuff in the grass of the field.[09:26:48] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[09:26:53] <Teknomancer> In a forest 10 people are going suddenly a loin came and killed 6 people . But did not do anything on those 4 people. why?[09:27:03] <Teknomancer> Because they are lion's club memebers.[09:27:11] * JonathanThompson fears to find out...[09:27:38] <JonathanThompson> Not "Lion's Select Dinners" like the other half dozen, eh?[09:28:03] <Teknomancer> Lady : Is this my train?[09:28:04] <JonathanThompson> That may be a regional thing.[09:28:06] <Teknomancer> Station Master : No, it belongs to the Railway Company.[09:28:09] <Teknomancer> Lady : Don't try to be funny. I mean to ask if I can take this train to Newyork.[09:28:15] <Teknomancer> Station Master : No Madam, I'm afraid it's too heavy.[09:28:20] <JonathanThompson> Not without permission!![09:29:11] <JonathanThompson> If it were somewhere than already in the north american continent, that'd likely be a valid answer for practical purposes :)[09:29:42] * JonathanThompson wonders if there's exported/imported railroad cars from other countries due to logistics... and wonders how you'd carry trains, other than large ships....[09:30:20] <JonathanThompson> Perhaps they manufacture and sell large train sets for the full-sized layouts :)[09:30:48] <Teknomancer> maybe they use extern :P[09:30:54] <JonathanThompson> Did you know Bill Gates has his own special train?[09:31:23] <Teknomancer> no[09:31:24] <JonathanThompson> I've not seen it in person, but my brother (who is heavily into railroading) took a picture of him once.[09:31:40] <JonathanThompson> He plays with the model trains, as well as the 1:1 scale trains.[09:31:45] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[09:32:12] <Teknomancer> Ah,[09:32:20] <Teknomancer> ask him to donate a train for advertising haiku :P[09:32:27] <JonathanThompson> His favorite hunting season? Train Season![09:32:41] <JonathanThompson> Fortunately for him, it's Train Season all year long :)[09:33:04] * JonathanThompson waits to see a wall plaque with the front end of a diesel mounted on it[09:33:32] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[09:33:41] <JonathanThompson> Last weekend I visited Long Beach, WA with some friends, and they have a funny museum/store there.[09:33:49] <JonathanThompson> They have various critters up on the wall....[09:33:58] <Teknomancer> lizards?[09:34:00] <JonathanThompson> Including such things a jackalopes....[09:34:11] <JonathanThompson> And one of the funniest is "Barn Owl on Steroids"[09:34:28] <JonathanThompson> It's this huge "face" with big eyes, as big as a man's eyes, if not bigger.[09:35:03] <JonathanThompson> What it really is, if you pay attention, is not feathered at all: it's the recycled butt of a dear with a face pasted on it, with the mouth being where the other end is :P[09:35:21] <Teknomancer> haha[09:35:44] <JonathanThompson> I have a friend that if I had the money to get him one (I'm not sure if they're for sale or not, but for enough money, I'm sure they'd figure things out) I'd send it to him, in Florida.[09:36:55] <JonathanThompson> I have to give credit to whomever came up with that idea: they found a way to efficiently utilize part of a deer not normally kept :P[09:37:41] * JonathanThompson imagines a hat made from a deer butt, and wonders how many people would buy it, knowingly or otherwise...[09:37:50] * _hugo kicks everyone[09:37:59] * JonathanThompson slaps _hugo sillier than normal[09:38:25] <JonathanThompson> A nice roundhouse slap, which I think I felt Teknomancer's face get in the way of :P[09:38:56] <Teknomancer> haha[09:39:23] <JonathanThompson> Teknomancer, I think my early a.m. hours are complete: I got a *groan* out of geist :)[09:51:25] *** Begasus is now known as Begasus_bbl[09:53:16] *** luposian has left #haiku[10:01:58] *** _Lucretia_ has quit IRC[10:11:34] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[10:12:44] *** Euver has joined #haiku[10:14:39] *** _Lucretia_ has joined #haiku[10:15:59] *** PulkoMandy has joined #haiku[10:23:55] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[10:24:06] *** genkie has joined #haiku[10:24:19] *** doppeljot has joined #haiku[10:35:29] *** doppeljot has left #haiku[10:36:42] <PulkoMandy> +++[10:36:43] *** PulkoMandy has quit IRC[10:44:10] *** SunWuKung has quit IRC[10:45:12] *** eNGIMa has joined #haiku[10:55:04] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[10:56:21] *** Sloar has quit IRC[10:58:42] *** genkie has quit IRC[10:59:50] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[11:12:32] *** sarcas has joined #haiku[11:16:08] <CIA-17> hugosantos * r20614 /haiku/trunk/ (7 files in 2 dirs):[11:16:08] <CIA-17> Prepared net_device_monitor to accept device removal events.[11:16:08] <CIA-17> - Introduced public net_device_monitor.[11:16:08] <CIA-17> - Changed the link protocol to maintain a lock per instance instead of inside the FIFO. Now all of the link instance data is protected.[11:16:08] <CIA-17> - Adapted the link protocol to use net_device_monitor.[11:16:09] <CIA-17> - Introduced a private Fifo class which doesn't maintain it's own lock.[11:16:12] <CIA-17> - Maybe we should add something like a public net_protocol_implementation which maintains a fifo and a benaphore? With the fifo using the structure's lock instead of maintaining it's own.[11:30:07] <CIA-17> hugosantos * r20615 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/stack/interfaces.cpp: notify all monitors when a device is being removed.[11:35:15] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[11:49:05] *** GreyGhost-Ubuntu has joined #haiku[11:58:50] <GreyGhost-Ubuntu> does haiku building after svn update need some kinda jam clean ? like we use make clean ?[11:58:57] <_hugo> no[11:59:21] <GreyGhost-Ubuntu> _hugo ,just simply jam haiku-image ?[11:59:27] <GreyGhost-Ubuntu> cool :))[11:59:32] <_hugo> GreyGhost-Ubuntu: yep, it will pick up everything that it needs[11:59:50] <GreyGhost-Ubuntu> ok .. nice :)[12:00:34] <GreyGhost-Ubuntu> at the moment i'm building qemu because the Ubuntu repos have a reallll old version of it...[12:00:54] <_hugo> GreyGhost-Ubuntu: personally i prefer the performance of vmware player which works just as well[12:01:57] <GreyGhost-Ubuntu> _hugo , yeah i use it under Windows :) .. i will install it under Ubuntu when i get the time to figure it out ;) ..[12:02:16] <_hugo> GreyGhost-Ubuntu: feisty already includes it[12:02:29] <GreyGhost-Ubuntu> me is edgy :([12:02:40] <_hugo> well, feisty will be out this month[12:02:45] <GreyGhost-Ubuntu> but i think someone mentioned that it is in the repos.. i'll check[12:03:28] <GreyGhost-Ubuntu> cool :) .. time to upgrade i suppose.. though i hope they fixed the upgrade OS feature.. they had qquite some problems with 6.10[12:03:38] <_hugo> works fine here[12:03:58] <GreyGhost-Ubuntu> ahh..ok .. cool :)[12:04:08] <_hugo> your experience may vary though[12:04:31] <GreyGhost-Ubuntu> worth a try though ;)[12:06:37] <GreyGhost-Ubuntu> _hugo , the configure file seems to have been updated so i should do ./configure first?[12:07:02] <_hugo> its a new feature[12:07:16] <_hugo> it is now possible to emulate beos attributes in linux[12:07:29] <_hugo> but this is something you wont require if you are only building an haiku image[12:08:27] <GreyGhost-Ubuntu> ahh..ok .. but if it configure is update some time when i need something i should run ./configure again right? or will jam take care of it?[12:08:39] <_hugo> jam will not take care of it[12:08:58] <_hugo> running configure again will probably trash your current build dir and youll have to start from zero[12:09:21] <GreyGhost-Ubuntu> ok .. thanks ..[12:09:44] * GreyGhost-Ubuntu will not ./configure for the time being :)[12:14:24] *** Karina`` has joined #haiku[12:17:21] *** stargater has joined #haiku[12:17:44] <stargater> re[12:23:02] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[12:26:10] <GreyGhost-Ubuntu> yeah ..indeed i need vmware.. cos qemu doesnt like this kernel version much .[12:39:24] <arachnist> hmm?[12:41:13] *** GreyGhost-Ubuntu has left #haiku[12:54:23] <CIA-17> bonefish * r20616 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/network/rtl8169/Jamfile: Patch by Urias McCullough: Revived jam package for rtl8169.[13:04:44] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[13:06:02] *** rcjsuen has joined 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tools to the proper directory[17:40:40] <GreyGhost> umccullough ,ahh ok .. thanks :)[17:41:02] <umccullough> sorry, i often read back through the last few conversations ;) habit[17:41:42] <GreyGhost> umccullough , and it helps :D[17:50:01] <umccullough> GreyGhost, that's about all i'm good for ;)[17:50:17] <umccullough> although, i noticed the rtl8169 jamfile patch i made was committed :D[17:50:32] *** wildur has quit IRC[17:50:50] <GreyGhost> umccullough ,nice :)[17:52:12] <umccullough> unfortunately Jin never came back to let me know if it works for him :P[17:53:09] *** silverpower has joined #haiku[17:53:41] <GreyGhost> umccullough ,Jin eh?[17:56:46] <umccullough> morning silverpower[17:57:04] <silverpower> morning, umccullough.[17:58:08] <GreyGhost> silverpower ,hello.. one more from ROS :)[17:58:21] <silverpower> hehe.[17:58:57] <umccullough> btw, is that channel exciting much?[17:59:27] <GreyGhost> umccullough ,exciting?[18:07:58] <umccullough> i'm going outside - kids are gonna look for some eggs ;)[18:08:11] <GreyGhost> umccullough , cya[18:08:30] <silverpower> last I remember, it was the time I went after kjk_hyperion/hackbunny. I was more of a raving fangirl of Linux then.[18:09:19] <GreyGhost> silverpower ,:D ... i didnt know u were a girl[18:09:36] <silverpower> yeah, I am. heh.[18:10:00] <GreyGhost> :)[18:10:35] *** oco has quit IRC[18:10:41] *** b3w has joined #haiku[18:10:58] <GreyGhost> silverpower ,so u were first at ROS and then here/?[18:11:12] <silverpower> it's the reverse, actually.[18:12:05] <silverpower> I also follow AROS, too, but I can't think of any other alt-OS projects still worth following.[18:12:18] <GreyGhost> ok[18:14:36] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[18:15:00] <Lelldorin1> re[18:15:40] <silverpower> Oh, yeah, there's Syllable - they've got some interesting ideas, but as there's no plans for a PowerPC port... :([18:16:41] <GreyGhost> silverpower ,i started loosing interest in ROS after stuff stopped going as i wished they would go ... ;)[18:17:17] <silverpower> heh.[18:18:48] <silverpower> But there's a bit of interest here and there about the PPC port from the three I normally follow.[18:21:14] *** MYOB has joined #haiku[18:21:17] <GreyGhost> silverpower ,lets see.. the things .. that made me loose interest.. total ignorance of suggestions by big time leaders* guess who *... IMO totally senslessly done audit.. failure to implement a single thing that is promised (infrastucture wise..) etc etc.. not to mention people*guess who again* trying to kick out good helpers ..[18:24:37] *** b3w_ has quit IRC[18:29:59] *** MikeW has quit IRC[18:34:47] *** sarcas has joined #haiku[18:37:55] *** emitrax__ has quit IRC[18:38:23] *** emitrax__ has joined #haiku[18:40:11] <_hugo> hello everyone[18:53:00] <umccullough> hi _hugo[18:53:11] <GreyGhost> _hugo , umccullough , hello[18:53:12] *** doppeljot has joined #haiku[18:55:04] <umccullough> GreyGhost, sounds like ROS experiences some... challenges ;)[18:55:28] <GreyGhost> umccullough , *many* ;)[18:57:07] <GreyGhost> umccullough ,and MS isnt as coporative as ACEES is it ? :P[18:59:21] <umccullough> GreyGhost, sometimes OSS projects get funny :)[18:59:30] <umccullough> (funny peculiar, not funny haha)[18:59:36] <GreyGhost> ;)[19:00:06] *** SunWuKung has joined #haiku[19:02:14] *** Kernel86 has joined #Haiku[19:05:30] *** Hoern has joined #Haiku[19:06:31] <Hoern> Happy Eastern![19:06:42] *** stargater has joined #haiku[19:07:00] <stargater> re[19:16:13] <umccullough> Happy Easter, Hoern :)[19:21:45] * Hoern wonders, if he should search some eggs in this channel :-)[19:22:20] *** doppeljot has quit IRC[19:23:36] *** Begasus_bbl is now known as Begasus[19:24:09] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[19:26:49] <stargater> 0[19:26:56] <stargater> ops a egg[19:27:04] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[19:27:20] <stargater> ooo____ooo____ooo[19:27:26] <stargater> more eggs[19:27:37] <Begasus> O_o[19:28:22] <stargater> Begasus, how are you ? :-) hehe[19:28:49] <Begasus> not to bad stargater thnx[19:29:50] <stargater> ok :-)[19:30:26] <Begasus> getting the hang on how to compile games ;)[19:32:03] *** LeandroLuiz has joined #haiku[19:32:13] *** LeandroLuiz is now known as LeandroLuiz[OFF][19:33:42] <stargater> Begasus, for haiku ?[19:33:59] <Begasus> to early for haiku ...[19:34:12] <Begasus> but most games run on R5 too if you have the SDL libs[19:35:22] <stargater> Begasus, have you r5 installet ?[19:35:44] <Begasus> I still have a R5 system yes[19:35:51] <Begasus> always had[19:36:08] <stargater> you boot zeta ?[19:36:25] <Begasus> ZETA is still and probly will be for a long time my main OS[19:37:07] <MYOB> gonna have to be mine....[19:37:16] <MYOB> only beos-alike that supports my SATA[19:37:18] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[19:37:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[19:37:23] <CIA-17> stippi * r20617 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/View.cpp:[19:37:23] <CIA-17> * export SetDiskMode() symbol, thanks to "aldeck" for providing the BeBook link,[19:37:23] <CIA-17> fixes ticket #1140[19:38:08] <stargater> Begasus, but zeta is illigal , access say this ,,, what ever..[19:38:32] <umccullough> stargater, it really doesn't matter at this point...[19:38:41] <MYOB> meh, I'd be using dano still if it booted[19:38:46] <Begasus> I don't care what people say about it ..[19:38:59] <umccullough> it's not like Access is gonna go after everyone USING Zeta and sue them... so why worry[19:39:20] <MYOB> if access want a normal desktop licence fee of, say, similar to what BeOS cost - they can have it[19:39:35] <MYOB> think my BeOS CD cost me 40IEP...[19:40:01] <stargater> i love access :-)[19:40:08] <GreyGhost> i doubt if access will do much aginst ZETA either...[19:40:16] <stargater> and i hope he make zeta to dust[19:40:26] <GreyGhost> why will it go around paying the lawyers when it isnt really gaining much from it ..[19:40:30] <Begasus> k enough for me ... cu peeps[19:40:34] *** Begasus has left #haiku[19:40:46] <umccullough> heh[19:40:47] <MYOB> yeah, theres absolutely no cost benefit to doing it[19:42:11] <stargater> hehe[19:42:36] <stargater> _hugo, is a new star on haiku universium :-)[19:42:47] <stargater> i read a news on haiku-os.org[19:42:48] <MYOB> yeah, did we clone Axel?[19:43:09] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[19:43:25] <umccullough> MYOB, not sure - axel seems to be in short supply, maybe he transfered bodies instead[19:43:39] <umccullough> ;)[19:44:47] <stargater> i aske me, who cost a human clone[19:45:36] <CIA-17> stippi * r20618 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/StatusBar.cpp: * patch by aldeck, fixes ticket #1143[19:46:18] <umccullough> heh, now bethon should run on Haiku :)[19:46:33] <umccullough> those last 2 commits were the ones preventing it from running unmodified[19:46:36] <stargater> screenshots?[19:46:42] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[19:46:42] <umccullough> stargater, hang on[19:46:50] <umccullough> aldeck, screenshots on bethon again?[19:46:54] <umccullough> *of[19:46:59] <stargater> ok[19:47:01] <aldeck> hiya[19:47:04] <umccullough> aldeck, you probably noticed stippi just committed your 2 changes ;)[19:47:10] <aldeck> umccullough: yes if you want[19:47:18] <umccullough> aldeck, stargater was asking[19:47:21] <aldeck> umccullough: yep, thats why i'm here :)[19:47:35] <stargater> ah aldeck a other new star on haiku universium :-)[19:47:39] * umccullough pats aldeck on the back[19:47:58] <aldeck> :)[19:48:05] * stargater make a cup of tee for aldeck[19:48:18] <MYOB> does bethon work?[19:48:23] * aldeck likes it with sugar[19:48:38] <umccullough> MYOB, aldeck got it working the other day[19:48:38] <aldeck> MYOB: yep kind of[19:49:12] * stargater runs in the kitechen and take sugar ....[19:49:14] <aldeck> in fact thers still a symbol missing if you want to run the version from bebits[19:49:33] <umccullough> oh yeah, wasn't that for python itself though?[19:49:38] <aldeck> but disn't file a bug report yet[19:49:44] <aldeck> *didnt[19:50:06] <aldeck> umccullough: yep, base python[19:50:51] <aldeck> the function missing is confstr (unistd.h)[19:51:09] <aldeck> but python can be compiled without it[19:51:52] <aldeck> http://haikubeat.free.fr/files/python/[19:52:18] <aldeck> get pythonalex and tests from there, it should work[19:53:11] <stargater> aldeck, cool[19:53:49] <aldeck> all the gui apps seem to work now[19:53:56] <umccullough> that's neat[19:54:08] <aldeck> that's funky[19:54:33] <stargater> have you a shot from "all the GUI apps"[19:55:00] *** cyraq has left #haiku[19:55:02] <aldeck> nope, had almost done it but didn't have time, want one?[19:55:39] <stargater> for a news ,,, later[19:57:51] <aldeck> btw, is there a shortcut to take a screenshot in vmware?[19:58:17] <umccullough> you mean a screenshot using VMWare instead of the guest OS or the host OS?[19:58:26] <aldeck> yep[19:58:40] <umccullough> good question...i think workstation supports that[19:58:49] * umccullough goes to check[19:59:11] * aldeck is gonna try sending it with ftp from inside haiku[19:59:54] <xcasex> petterhj, re[20:06:24] *** GreyGhost has quit IRC[20:13:55] *** MYOB has quit IRC[20:17:45] *** MYOB has joined #haiku[20:26:20] <petterhj> xcasex, god dag :)[20:26:31] <petterhj> har spilt OpenTTD. heh[20:30:31] <umccullough> i'm outtie - later[20:30:33] *** umccullough has left #haiku[20:30:53] <MYOB> petterhj what about OpenTTD?[20:32:59] *** DigitallyStoned has joined #haiku[20:33:35] <petterhj> I was playing it :) I'm amazed at its portability. I have it currently on my computer (diff. OSes of course), my cell phone and my Palm..[20:33:41] <petterhj> tried running it under Haiku yet?[20:35:31] <MYOB> petterhj its not portable compared to other stuff[20:35:40] <MYOB> its VERY HARD to compile on BeOS for one thing[20:35:45] <MYOB> and yeah [Beta] did[20:36:24] *** gambit has joined #haiku[20:37:08] <petterhj> It does run on a lot of different devices and under most OSes at least. I guess it's so fun people don't min the hard work porting it ;)[20:37:28] <gambit> I want to try Haiku Os, what I have to do? where I can get it?[20:38:25] <petterhj> gambit: you can get it here: http://haikuhost.com/ - both raw and vmware images.[20:38:39] <gambit> ok,. thanks[20:38:40] <petterhj> vmware is the easiest way to try it out..[20:39:45] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[20:39:45] <jali> Has parallels fixed their problems with Haiku?[20:39:49] *** genkie has joined #haiku[20:39:52] <MYOB> petterhj in all your BeOS laptop knowledge... know anyone using a Dell L400?[20:40:01] <MYOB> its a 12" latitude from about 6 years ago[20:40:08] <stargater> hi DaaT and genkie[20:40:13] <jali> I doubt BeOS would run on my laptop.. dual core processor.[20:40:15] <DaaT> hi stargater[20:40:16] <petterhj> MYOB: no, sorry.. it isn't listed at the laptop page?[20:40:22] <genkie> hi[20:40:30] <MYOB> petterhj no but you're generally a well of info ;)[20:40:31] <DaaT> hey everyone[20:40:55] <petterhj> MYOB: what do you want to know about it if I may ask?[20:40:59] <DaaT> Fanskapet[20:41:07] <MYOB> if it works, thats about it[20:41:22] <MYOB> thinking of getting one as a small BeOS box[20:41:37] <MYOB> my current laptop is both ginormous and incompatible[20:42:43] <stargater> DaaT, any news for ICO[20:42:55] <DaaT> stargater, news about haiku[20:43:02] <DaaT> which you can check at its homepage[20:43:10] <stargater> 1/2[20:43:13] <stargater> mom[20:43:34] <petterhj> MYOB: I see. My Latitude (D600) is very well supported, so if theres any similarities in the hardware it might run.. but that one I guess is newer than mine, so hard to say..[20:43:46] <MYOB> petterhj what era is yours?[20:43:49] <MYOB> this is a 700Mhz PIII[20:43:57] <petterhj> oh.. then its older :)[20:44:09] <jali> I might intentionally build an "out of date" box or buy an old dell for BeOS[20:44:22] <MYOB> mobility M1 graphics (which I know worked on my HP), Crystal sound card[20:44:30] <petterhj> Mine is Pentium M 1,4GHz[20:44:57] *** MikeW has quit IRC[20:45:02] <petterhj> mine does at least have AC97 sound. does that card use that chip=[20:45:03] <petterhj> ?[20:45:36] <MYOB> AC97 is not a type of sound card![20:45:41] <MYOB> I need to have this spiel on my website[20:45:49] <MYOB> so I cna just link to it...[20:46:10] <MYOB> saying "AC97 soundcard" is like saying "56k modem" as the maker, etc - its just an internal codec[20:46:29] <MYOB> all modern soundcards are AC97, but they sure as hell aren't compatible driver-wise[20:47:46] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[20:48:01] *** Jin has joined #Haiku[20:48:10] * Jin sighs[20:48:12] <Jin> what a long weekend[20:48:15] <petterhj> MYOB: ah, ok, i see.. anyway, www.linux-on-laptops.com usually provide good hardware info, so if it's well supported by Linux, your chances are higher I guess[20:48:38] *** SunWuKung has quit IRC[20:50:03] <Jin> so um, I installed the RTL8169 driver, but, it still doesn't seem to be working, anyone care to help me out?[20:50:05] <MYOB> my tosh is well supported by linux...[20:50:17] <MYOB> BeOS/Zeta don't see any hard drives[20:50:26] <jali> Ew, Zeta.[20:51:15] <Jin> not zeta, max[20:51:52] <MYOB> I always find this reaction from (relative) newbies somewhat strange...[20:52:01] <dr_evil> Jin installed on what?[20:52:15] <petterhj> MYOB: what about that network card? I had the same in my previous laptop, but I don't remember if it worked though[20:52:36] <MYOB> theres a large enough proportion of people who use a beos-alike (namely zeta) who wouldn't be able to if it didn't exist[20:52:39] <petterhj> 3c905C[20:52:44] <MYOB> R5 wouldn't boot on this PC at all[20:52:56] <MYOB> petterhj I saw that its a 3c920 on another site - that has a driver from Patrick[20:53:13] <Jin> dr_evil, beos max 4, I had it compiled last night, copied it over, ran the install.sh, and have no idea what I'm supposed to do now, heh[20:53:36] <dr_evil> RTL8169 is a great driver, but it a) should already be included in zeta, and b) the author has no interest in providing zeta support[20:54:08] <Jin> dr_evil, not zeta, beos max 4[20:54:20] <MYOB> dr_evil I think two conversations are getting crossed here, he's not using zeta[20:54:59] <dr_evil> Jin, I can send you another installable version of rtl8169 that should work, stand by...[20:55:46] <Jin> that would be lovely[20:55:47] <dr_evil> thats the original driver package as published on bebits[20:56:01] <petterhj> MYOB: http://www.bedrivers.com/hardware/info.php?product=1700&category=20&sub=47[20:56:26] <dr_evil> are you sure you have that gigabit card Jin?[20:56:41] <Jin> posative[20:56:44] <Jin> positive*[20:56:49] <MYOB> argh, no sound :/[20:57:27] <dr_evil> ok than try that package i just send you, unzip and run install.sh[20:57:48] <Fanskapet> DaaT[20:57:54] <Fanskapet> *yawns*[20:57:57] <petterhj> MYOB: if you're lucky, that info is old, and theres a new driver at bebits! :o[20:58:02] <Fanskapet> bleh work tomorow[20:58:10] <MYOB> petterhj I believe not...[20:58:44] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[20:59:16] <petterhj> MYOB: you know if Zeta has a driver for these cards??[20:59:48] <MYOB> dunno[21:00:11] <MYOB> just searched for '4281' and found what appears to be a 4 year old linux kernel tree dump...[21:00:12] <Fanskapet> hmm odd I wonder how one can exec bash scripts from within finder on osx[21:00:14] <Fanskapet> bleh[21:00:45] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[21:03:59] <Hoern> cu[21:04:00] *** Hoern has quit IRC[21:04:22] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[21:06:40] <Jin> alright it seems to be installed[21:06:43] <Jin> bbias[21:06:48] *** Jin has left #Haiku[21:07:56] *** Ball000 has quit IRC[21:10:55] *** dark-dante1 has joined #haiku[21:12:18] <stargater> hi dark-dante1[21:12:44] <gambit> Can we install Haiku?[21:13:14] <gambit> like linux or windows...[21:14:54] *** Jin has joined #Haiku[21:14:59] <Jin> yay![21:15:03] <jali> Yay?[21:15:23] <Jin> the rtl driver worked[21:15:28] <jali> ah[21:15:35] <Jin> I'm still pretty peeved though[21:15:52] <Jin> I lost my entire hard drive last night due to a buggy windows update, that's the last time I ever make that mistake again[21:16:33] *** jpd has joined #haiku[21:16:34] <jali> :([21:17:07] <dr_evil> Jin where did you get the non-working driver?[21:17:16] <MYOB> how?[21:18:15] <Jin> dr_evil, umcollough (I forget how to spell it) compiled it out of the haiku tree for me[21:18:44] *** zl0minus has quit IRC[21:18:58] *** dark-dante1 is now known as zl0minus[21:19:16] <Jin> MYOB, I think it was doing some sort of patch to NTLDR, and when NTLDR went to load the filesystem it fudged it up, the entire NTFS partition was fried, I attempted to repair it but after seeing the files and labels on the partition, which consisted mostly of random symbols, I gave up and wiped the entire drive[21:22:13] <dr_evil> Jin then the net_server addon was missing[21:22:51] *** sarcas has quit IRC[21:25:48] *** kr1stof_ has joined #haiku[21:27:38] *** _stippi_ has joined #haiku[21:30:08] <Jin> now I have to ask a very stupid question[21:30:17] <Jin> since I am technically new to beos[21:30:18] <_stippi_> ?[21:30:23] <_stippi_> go ahead[21:30:26] <Jin> how the heck do I move the deskbar >_>[21:30:43] <_stippi_> there is a little draggable area, indicated with dots, to the right of the clock[21:31:16] <_stippi_> have you just installed BeOS Max? Or are you even running Haiku?[21:31:38] <Jin> aah[21:31:52] <Jin> I'm running max[21:32:05] <Jin> with the intention of regularily compiling and installing haiku to another partition[21:32:13] <_stippi_> IC[21:32:18] <MYOB> _stippi_ I thought you were off somewhere the otherside of the world?[21:32:19] <_stippi_> I'm actually running Haiku[21:32:24] <MYOB> or has that ended...[21:32:27] <_stippi_> MYOB: Hi, I'm back[21:32:46] <aldeck> _stippi_: hi stippi, python bindings are working nicely since your last commits :)[21:32:57] <MYOB> running Haiku - version "BeOS/Developer Build" :P[21:33:06] <_stippi_> aldeck: Oh, cool[21:33:14] <aldeck> http://haikubeat.free.fr/files/python/python_haiku3.png[21:34:08] <_stippi_> Hm, TCP/IP in N+ is buggy since recently[21:34:21] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[21:34:35] <_stippi_> can't look at the screenshot :-([21:34:46] <aldeck> _stippi_: wget it[21:34:49] <_stippi_> MYOB: What do you mean "BeOS/Developer Build"?[21:35:05] <_stippi_> ah, yeah[21:35:13] <jali> aldeck: holy crap that looks cool.. i hate python but yay.[21:35:34] <aldeck> jali: python is fun[21:35:38] <jali> I'm a ruby fan. ;)[21:37:55] <aldeck> http://www.bebits.com/app/4254 , but i don't know if there are beos api bindings[21:38:11] <jali> aldeck: You're using an AMD Athlon 64 with 256 MB of ram?[21:38:14] <jali> What the..?[21:38:37] <aldeck> ahh .. virtuality[21:38:47] <jali> Ooohhhh.[21:38:50] <jali> I was wondering.[21:38:51] <jali> :)[21:39:08] <MYOB> I used to use a 266Mhz PII with 1GB RAM, it balances out :P[21:39:16] <jali> Haha.[21:39:17] <aldeck> MYOB: hehe[21:39:44] <DigitallyStoned> so[21:39:48] <DigitallyStoned> is Haiku worth my time running[21:39:49] <DigitallyStoned> ?[21:39:50] *** umccullough has joined #haiku[21:40:06] <jali> DigitallyStoned: How much is your time worth?[21:40:30] * aldeck is trying to compile that http://www.continuousphysics.com/Bullet/ for haiku :)[21:40:34] <umccullough> Jin, sorry bout the lack of a net_server add-on, i use BONE and often forget those are needed ;)[21:41:10] <umccullough> dr_evil, is there a way to create those from the haiku tree also?[21:41:22] <DigitallyStoned> jali: 10 bucks?[21:41:27] <umccullough> ugh, ok, nevermind - i gotta go[21:41:28] *** umccullough has left #haiku[21:41:58] <jali> DigitallyStoned: Sure.[21:42:06] <_stippi_> I need to go too...[21:42:09] <_stippi_> see yah![21:42:16] <aldeck> seeya[21:44:08] *** _stippi_ has quit IRC[21:54:16] *** fyysik has quit IRC[21:54:44] *** TTRanger has joined #Haiku[21:55:52] *** JamesB192 has joined #haiku[22:01:13] *** Jin has quit IRC[22:06:35] *** Jin has joined #Haiku[22:07:10] <Jin> yay the audigy driver worked too, my luck is finallyh coming back, which leads me to two questions, 1. how do I restart/stop/start specific services/servers, and 2. where is the audio mixer?[22:11:03] <MYOB> mixer in beos or haiku?[22:11:12] <MYOB> indeed, are you on beos or haiku?[22:11:30] <Jin> beos[22:12:48] <MYOB> install process controller to get decent control for killing servers, etc. input server restarts itself if killed, net_server can be restarted from 'Networking' (I think the panel is called ), media_server/media_addon_server from Media[22:12:52] <MYOB> the mixer is in Media[22:15:51] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[22:16:04] <Jin> k, thanks[22:16:05] <Jin> :)[22:17:43] <[Beta]> evening[22:27:04] *** sarcas has joined #haiku[22:30:54] *** TTRanger has quit IRC[22:35:18] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[22:35:35] *** arikato has quit IRC[22:36:36] *** arikato has joined #haiku[22:37:41] *** jpd has quit IRC[22:39:09] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[22:46:38] *** Jin has quit IRC[22:46:47] *** Jin has joined #Haiku[22:49:13] *** LeandroLuiz[OFF] has quit IRC[22:54:24] *** sarcas has quit IRC[22:58:53] *** MikeW has quit IRC[23:07:29] *** Ball000 has joined #haiku[23:08:42] *** genkie has quit IRC[23:08:51] *** pikapika has joined #haiku[23:09:41] <pikapika> hello[23:10:03] *** m-m has joined #haiku[23:10:29] *** Leszek has joined #haiku[23:10:49] <Leszek> re[23:11:04] *** sarcas has joined #haiku[23:11:34] *** m-m has left #haiku[23:12:00] *** wonea has joined #haiku[23:13:59] <Jin> beos isn't themeable, is it?[23:15:38] <MYOB> no (thank fuck...)[23:16:43] <petterhj> MYOB: agreed[23:16:44] <petterhj> and to Jin; Ctrl-Alt-Shift + BeOS Menu->Window Decors[23:16:45] <petterhj> ;)[23:17:59] <Jin> can I create my own?[23:18:27] <petterhj> nope, sorry[23:18:32] <Jin> :S[23:19:01] <petterhj> BeOS pre-R6 had that option, but we never got around to that[23:19:15] <MYOB> no, as Be decided not to let people make the OS look like arse[23:20:29] <Jin>[23:20:45] * JonathanThompson lobs a random object at MYOB in greeting[23:21:01] * MYOB hides[23:21:21] * JonathanThompson sics a sheep-shooter on MYOB, borrowed from DaaT[23:21:33] <Jin> , ,[23:21:42] *** wonea has left #haiku[23:21:43] <JonathanThompson> It administers a wet wooly :)[23:21:59] *** Jin has quit IRC[23:23:51] *** Jin has joined #Haiku[23:24:18] <Jin> that was weird, anyway, all I wanted to do really was invert the coloring so I had some white on black going on, all this black on white hurts my eye >_x[23:26:03] *** Sloar has quit IRC[23:26:56] <geist> you're a cyclops?[23:28:37] * DaaT gets his sheep-shooter back from JonathanThompson[23:29:37] * dr_evil calls the MIME police to clean sweep this channel[23:30:10] <_hugo> meep![23:30:21][23:30:38] <_hugo> DaaT: tou? nao liguei a TVI hoje :-) entao?[23:30:50] <DaaT> na tvi era tristemente famoso :P[23:30:53] <DaaT> no site do Haiku[23:30:54] <_hugo> DaaT: sem duvida. :-)[23:30:59] <_hugo> DaaT: ah, sim :-)[23:31:06] *** Jin has quit IRC[23:31:18] <_hugo> mas a maior parte do trabalho foi do Oliver, eu ja tinha mencionado isso numa mailing list qualquer[23:32:54] <DaaT> as pessoas reparam mais em quem faz o commit :)[23:33:31] <_hugo> DaaT: eheh, eu de facto fiz alguns commits, mas foram so alguns fixes. O base work e' do Oliver (commits dele :-P)[23:33:36] *** Jin has joined #Haiku[23:33:47] <Jin> that was scary[23:33:54] <DaaT> :)[23:33:56] <Jin> I came back upstairs and all I saw was kdebug[23:34:11] * Jin disables screensaver[23:34:25] <CIA-17> hugosantos * r20619 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/protocols/tcp/TCPEndpoint.cpp: Fixed a TCP issue reported by Stephan. Make sure we have enough PSH'ed bytes in the receive buffer before breaking the RX loop.[23:34:36] <CIA-17> hugosantos * r20620 /haiku/trunk/ (7 files in 5 dirs): introduced an ipv4_datagram datalink_module to handle the registration of the IPv4 reader instead of doing it in the ARP module.[23:34:47] <Jin> yay a commit[23:35:02] <_hugo> plonk[23:35:26] <DaaT> :D[23:36:09] <MrSunshine> ohh ... bethon or whatever its name is running now also ? :)[23:37:27] *** gambit has left #haiku[23:38:59] <[Beta]> rumour has it, yes.[23:40:49] *** emitrax__ has quit IRC[23:46:18] *** JamesB192 has quit IRC[23:56:08] <fyysik> Jin - where exactly you wish to invert colors?[23:56:51] <Jin> on everything, pretty much[23:57:02] <Jin> I'm used to using inverse themes since it is much easier on the eyes[23:57:12] <fyysik> I c black on white only in Terminal by default[23:57:20] *** snipe714 has joined #haiku[23:57:47] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[23:57:48] <Jin> yeah I like how the terminal is done with it's white on black[23:58:27] <jali> I prefer black on white.[23:58:28] <fyysik> you can change menubar colors. common fonts, background colors, iconsets, and other depends on applications[23:58:30] <jali> If you get my drift.[23:58:31] * jali thrusts[23:58:50] <fyysik> So it is easy to change terminal colors. I use myself white on blue there[23:59:44] <Jin> fyysik, how do you do that?