April 4, 2007 
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April 4, 2007 [00:16:03] *** Leszek has quit IRC[00:19:06] <mmu_man> http://revolf.free.fr/beos/shots/shot_xemacs_zeta_speedbar_nicer.png[00:20:09] <kad77> mmu_man - looks good. do you have access to a windows machine?[00:20:28] <mmu_man> yes[00:20:38] <kad77> get a copy of dev-c++ from bloodshed.net[00:20:38] <mmu_man> I use XEmacs in XP sometimes[00:20:53] <kad77> just to look at[00:20:56] <kad77> it is now open sourced, and has a class browser system[00:20:59] <mmu_man> they stole our icons ? :)[00:21:12] <mmu_man> well XEmacs works fine and it runs in BeOS :p[00:21:33] <kad77> did they? it is a very nice dev envrionment, i jus thought i would point it out[00:21:46] <kad77> it would be nice for haiku, actually. very user friendly[00:22:40] <kad77> Be Inc used to send me copies of CodeWarrior for BeOS, and it was a similar (but more polished environment) to dev-cpp[00:23:18] <DeadYak> I wasn't too impressed by Dev-c++ when I tried it to be honest[00:23:47] <kad77> it's fine for quick projects, its not a powerhouse.[00:24:37] <kad77> it'll probably die off given it's written in delphi. it would need to be rewritten, but it was user friendly.[00:25:00] <kad77> you know, what seperates beos/haiku + osx from linux/unix/etc[00:27:02] *** TLF has quit IRC[00:42:45] <steven_h> guys, if i needed openssl on Haiku, would there be issues with throwing it in /headers/libs ?[00:43:50] <steven_h> and then the source would go in /src/libs?[00:48:57] <steven_h> ...am trying to work out where the line gets drawn as to what libraries can be included and what can't?[00:53:08] *** stargater has quit IRC[00:58:48] *** guildencrantz has quit IRC[00:58:58] *** Stargater has joined #haiku[00:58:59] <Stargater> re[01:24:27] *** Arioch_ has joined #Haiku[01:24:39] <Arioch_> Hello[01:25:18] <Arioch_> Anyone awake here?[01:25:24] <kad77> kind of dead in here, atm[01:25:52] <Arioch_> ah, ok. I just had a question though.[01:26:51] <Arioch_> I loved BeOS x86, before it was killed. And would love to run a beos-like environment again. So, at the moment, how far of in the future before Haiku is usable as an os?[01:30:59] *** Jin has quit IRC[01:31:00] <kad77> get beos max[01:31:57] <Arioch_> beos max?[01:32:04] <kad77> I can't speak for how far off R1 is, maybe a year[01:32:18] <kad77> google it, or its on the haiku wiki[01:32:31] <Arioch_> Never heard of of Beos Max. Seems I have missed a lot of developments...[01:32:39] <kad77> its a patched version of beos, recently updated this march i belive[01:32:45] <Arioch_> thank you for that information. I will see what I find :)[01:32:50] <Arioch_> nice[01:33:03] <kad77> ;-)[01:33:05] <steven_h> http://www.beosmaxfiles.org/[01:33:23] <Arioch_> thank you very much.[01:36:44] *** fyysik has quit IRC[01:40:31] *** oco has quit IRC[01:45:10] *** wildur has quit IRC[01:49:26] *** Arioch_ has left #Haiku[01:55:47] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[02:14:19] *** mmadia has quit IRC[02:19:19] *** Odin-LAP has quit IRC[02:29:34] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[02:34:33] *** umccullough_work has joined #haiku[02:50:53] * DeadYak moos[02:53:00] * umccullough_work kicks a DeadYak[02:55:24] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[03:12:25] *** Pembros has joined #haiku[03:15:02] *** absabs has joined #haiku[03:15:21] *** umccullough_work has left #haiku[03:15:51] *** Mazon is now known as mazon[03:27:52] <CIA-17> bonefish * r20544 /haiku/trunk/docs/user/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Started documenting the FS API a bit.[03:27:55] *** M_199 has joined #haiku[03:38:58] *** Stargater has quit IRC[03:44:09] *** Master199 has quit IRC[03:47:28] *** BryanV has joined #haiku[03:58:49] *** BryanV has quit IRC[04:05:12] *** jevin has joined #haiku[04:27:41] *** umccullough_work has joined #haiku[04:32:44] *** absabs has quit IRC[04:37:05] *** aldeck has quit IRC[04:55:53] *** schmedly3d has quit IRC[05:04:25] *** BryanV has joined #haiku[05:10:23] <mmadia> B-man[05:10:24] <umccullough_work> hi BryanV :)[05:10:29] <umccullough_work> hi mmadia[05:10:34] <mmadia> hey umccullough_work[05:13:32] <BryanV> Highya[05:13:35] <BryanV> err hiya[05:14:08] <mmadia> i found a mac to vga adapter laying around[05:14:47] <BryanV> Heh.[05:14:50] <BryanV> I bought one.[05:14:53] <BryanV> I'm taking it back.[05:15:00] <BryanV> The 7600 has a dead CDROM[05:15:05] <BryanV> SCSI, Apple BIOS.[05:15:13] <BryanV> I can't load anything on it.[05:15:57] <BryanV> Sooo... if anyone wants a Powermac 7600 w/ 400Mhz G3 upgrade, 384MB Ram, 8MB onboard VRAM & ATI Mach64 w/ TV tuner, let me know I'll only charge shipping. :-)[05:16:18] <BryanV> Working HDs (two, internal, don't remember sizes)[05:16:25] <BryanV> Ran OS X pretty well.[05:16:33] <BryanV> Ran BeOS R5 like the wind.[05:17:40] <umccullough_work> BryanV, where you located?[05:17:51] <BryanV> Indianapolis, IN[05:17:55] <BryanV> 46254[05:17:58] <umccullough_work> nevermind :)[05:18:05] <BryanV> :-)[05:18:16] <BryanV> umccullough_work - where are you?[05:18:21] <umccullough_work> California[05:18:32] <BryanV> Hahaha. yeah. Shipping would probably be like $30.[05:18:51] <BryanV> It might be cheaper to take it apart and send pieces. :-p[05:18:53] <umccullough_work> i suppose if you sent it ground it wouldn't be much...[05:18:56] <umccullough_work> heh[05:19:16] <umccullough_work> i don't have any power macs ... so i've been waiting for someone to give me one ;)[05:19:18] <BryanV> Probably not too much, USPS...[05:19:30] <BryanV> You'd need a SCSI CD ROM.[05:19:38] <umccullough_work> i've got some[05:20:00] <BryanV> Although I may end up giving this one to my grandpa. I don't know... His internal battery died, and these things won't boot when the batteries are drained.[05:20:02] <umccullough_work> not apple brand, but should work - i've used one with an LC III in an external enclosure just fine[05:20:12] <BryanV> I replaced the one in mine a few years ago, so it should be good another 4 or so years.[05:20:14] <umccullough_work> batteries are easy to get[05:20:29] <umccullough_work> you can pick 'em up at Frys for a couple dollars[05:20:32] <BryanV> Yep.[05:20:39] <umccullough_work> assuming their the little half-AA's[05:20:45] <BryanV> I think so.[05:20:46] <umccullough_work> they're[05:20:57] <BryanV> Don't remember, I got this one for like 3 bucks.[05:21:25] <BryanV> Let me know if you'd like it, I've been trying to get rid of it for a while now. :_)[05:21:36] <umccullough_work> heh[05:21:40] <BryanV> I'd throw in a SyQuest SyJet drive with a few 2GB disks as well.[05:21:50] <umccullough_work> interesting ;)[05:21:55] <BryanV> But I seem to have misplaced the cable...[05:22:00] <BryanV> SCSI that is.[05:22:08] <umccullough_work> just a regular scsi cable?[05:22:11] *** kb7sqi has joined #haiku[05:22:15] <umccullough_work> i've got a few[05:22:32] <BryanV> Yeah, DB25 to a scsi2 external the kind with the squeezy-things on both sides.[05:22:47] <BryanV> I don't remember the exact type that is.[05:23:07] * [Katisu] notes he is in PA and has a SCSI cd rom from PowerMac 6100[05:23:39] <BryanV> Of course, if someone wanted to sell me a CDROM cheaply, I wouldn't get rid of this box just yet. :-)[05:23:40] *** kad77 has quit IRC[05:23:52] <BryanV> Katisu - what part of PA?[05:24:06] <[Katisu]> 19567[05:24:31] <[Katisu]> the only problem is I don't know if it works for sure[05:24:40] <umccullough_work> heh[05:25:47] <BryanV> heh[05:25:52] <BryanV> Ah, way out east PA.[05:26:03] <umccullough_work> yeah, he has a funny accent too ;)[05:26:14] <BryanV> I'll bet he says "soda" a lot.[05:26:31] <[Katisu]> ah, yes, BryanV is "pop" guy[05:26:43] <BryanV> At one time.[05:26:57] <[Katisu]> accent?[05:27:11] <BryanV> Gosh I don't know what my accent is these days.[05:27:28] <BryanV> You'd probably call it midwest.[05:27:31] <[Katisu]> probably from my lack of sleep ;)[05:27:42] <umccullough_work> BryanV, i probably have a similar one :P[05:28:23] <BryanV> Grew up northeast Ohio, moved to pittsburgh (THICK accent) moved to Mississippi, moved back to Indiana.[05:28:45] <BryanV> The worst part is, I assimilate portions of each region into my speech patterns.[05:28:48] <[Katisu]> ew.. that's definitely a good mix[05:28:49] <umccullough_work> hmm... ok, maybe mine is all california redneck then[05:29:11] <BryanV> Sometimes I say soda, sometimes coke, sometimes pop.[05:29:31] <BryanV> And it's not sweet tea. It's Swaayt Tay[05:29:56] <umccullough_work> um, it's just Tea[05:29:59] <umccullough_work> ;)[05:30:02] <BryanV> or that.[05:30:21] * [Katisu] imagines umccullough getting a cup of hot Tea[05:30:47] * [Katisu] imagines BryanV getting a bag of white powder when he asks for coke[05:31:58] <umccullough_work> ok, so maybe sometimes it's "Iced Tea"[05:32:29] <[Katisu]> and you will get asked whether that is sweetened or unsweetened around here[05:32:36] <umccullough_work> and does it matter?[05:32:44] *** BryanV has quit IRC[05:32:55] *** BryanV has joined #haiku[05:33:13] <umccullough_work> i used to drink my iced tea with sugar, but then i stopped... so what?[05:33:28] <umccullough_work> ;)[05:33:32] <DeadYak> mmm....sweet tea....[05:33:38] <DeadYak> everybody drinks that down here[05:33:39] <BryanV> I used to drink my coffee with sugar.[05:33:42] <BryanV> Then I stopped.[05:33:47] <BryanV> the sugar, not the coffee.[05:33:53] <DeadYak> I can't dink coffee without suga[05:33:56] <DeadYak> drink too[05:34:04] <DeadYak> hmmm...r key might be dying on this laptop :/[05:34:07] <BryanV> The blacker, the better.[05:34:11] <umccullough_work> BryanV, was it Sweet Coffee?[05:34:15] <BryanV> I want that nice tasty oil slick on top.[05:34:22] <BryanV> it was, umccullough_work.[05:34:23] <DeadYak> I can't stand the taste of black coffee :)[05:34:28] <umccullough_work> heh...[05:34:29] <BryanV> But I was getting fat from all the sugar.[05:34:36] <DeadYak> the aftertaste more specifically[05:34:48] <BryanV> I'm still getting fat, but that's for different reasons (the wife cooks really good)[05:34:51] <umccullough_work> DeadYak, ditto, i drink my coffee with sugar :P[05:35:11] <BryanV> And I don't get out enough.[05:35:21] <DeadYak> umccullough: mine tends to be lots of sugar and/or cream[05:35:22] <umccullough_work> mmm.... sounds familiar :P[05:35:42] <DeadYak> usually something else thrown in, I typically wind up getting things like iced caramel macchiatos[05:35:51] <umccullough_work> DeadYak, i stopped doing cream - unless it's absolutely nasty coffee and I need to cut it down a bit[05:35:59] * [Katisu] is not a coffee addict[05:36:06] <DeadYak> hehe[05:36:09] * umccullough_work is a coffee and beer addict ;)[05:36:32] <[Katisu]> I don't buy beer often enough to be an addict[05:37:08] <umccullough_work> i still have a few of those heineken 12packs left ;)[05:37:11] <umccullough_work> from December![05:37:40] <BryanV> mmm those are good[05:37:48] * BryanV ponders having a guinness..[05:38:00] * mmadia has gotten into homebrewing his own : )[05:38:23] <[Katisu]> I'd like to try that at some point[05:38:24] <umccullough_work> mmadia, i will do that eventually as well[05:38:36] <umccullough_work> i work with a guy that just started homebrew[05:38:39] <[Katisu]> I've done wine before[05:38:44] <umccullough_work> i'm waiting to see how it works out for him ;)[05:38:45] <mmadia> http://thebrewingnetwork.com excellent podcasts[05:39:01] <[Katisu]> actually still have gear for wine[05:39:27] <umccullough_work> lol "Music to brew by" ?[05:40:06] <mmadia> sorta... mostly guys getting drunk while talking to homebrewing experts.[05:40:50] <[Katisu]> umccullough, you need to make a small kegerator for next to your computer[05:41:48] <DeadYak> beer I've never been able to acquire a taste for[05:41:55] <umccullough_work> DeadYak, that's unfortunate ;)[05:42:05] <DeadYak> if you say so :)[05:42:27] <BryanV> kegerator![05:42:39] <BryanV> Heck yeah.[05:43:01] <BryanV> I was trying to talk the partners (owners) at work into getting one for the office.[05:43:05] <BryanV> That didn't go over so well.[05:43:08] * [Katisu] expects to see pictures soon of a kegerator on BryanV's site[05:43:19] <DeadYak> eep, brb, tornado warning[05:43:23] <BryanV> I figured why not, we've got the massage chair and posh couch in the lounge? Why not?[05:43:24] <umccullough_work> yikes[05:43:34] <BryanV> Good luck there DeadYak[05:43:38] <DeadYak> thanks[05:45:27] <DeadYak> hm, looks like it's a fair ways north of here[05:48:45] <[Katisu]> BryanV, CdRom is AppleCD 300i Plus[05:51:27] <BryanV> hrm[05:52:19] *** Pembros has quit IRC[06:00:41] <[Katisu]> how many pins on the SCSI?[06:02:13] <umccullough_work> for an internal drive? probably 50[06:02:25] <umccullough_work> of that era anyhow ;)[06:03:49] <[Katisu]> external is 25 then. was looking up specs on 7600[06:04:11] <umccullough_work> yeah, the db25 was still popular[06:04:49] *** emitrax__ has quit IRC[06:05:48] *** silverpower has joined #haiku[06:06:25] *** BryanV has quit IRC[06:07:02] <steven_h> are you going to get Haiku running on a dinosaur?[06:07:44] <[Katisu]> bah..cd rom is 2X[06:08:21] * [Katisu] suspects BryanV would want something a bit faster[06:12:43] <umccullough_work> steven_h, i just want a PPC to complement my selection of machines ;)[06:14:04] <silverpower> you speak of PowerPC in my presence? :)[06:14:49] <steven_h> umccullough_work, but with the ability* to run Haiku... as if you wouldn't try.[06:15:03] <steven_h> and... go for a dinosaur with full media capabilities...[06:15:39] <silverpower> If you're looking for a good dev box, one of the G4 towers, preferably a dual-proc with a good IDE controller should be fine.[06:16:02] <[Katisu]> yeah, but it wouldn't be as cheap[06:16:09] <silverpower> Point.[06:16:25] <silverpower> A basic Sawtooth, maybe, for a starter machine?[06:17:03] <silverpower> I wouldn't try low-level hacking on a OldWorld box, if I were you. Makes you throw too many things.[06:17:31] <steven_h> old-ugly-imac?[06:17:32] <silverpower> steven_h, actually, that's not a bad idea.[06:17:42] <umccullough_work> wait, i want an old mac that runs OS8/9![06:18:24] <silverpower> G3 iMac.[06:18:24] <silverpower> Preferably a decent slot-loader model.[06:18:31] <steven_h> they're going for AU$1.00[06:18:40] <umccullough_work> ship me one :)[06:19:26] <steven_h> I'm sure ebay.your.location would have cheaper shipping rates :)[06:20:25] <silverpower> I still think you should go with a basic Sawtooth model, to make sure you have the power.[06:21:08] <steven_h> program on a slug.. you'll make faster code :)[06:21:12] <silverpower> If you're looking to run BeOS, though... good luck. You'll probably want a 9600 or Beige G3.[06:21:52] <silverpower> (not that it'll do you much good Haiku-wise, just saying.)[06:22:31] <umccullough_work> heh, thanks for all the advice ;)[06:23:07] <silverpower> www.lowendmac.com has some pretty good information on the various models available.[06:23:10] <steven_h> sawtooth = AU$150[06:23:55] <steven_h> is haiku bootable on a ppc as it is now?[06:23:58] <silverpower> steven_h, Sawtooths tend to be cheaper than *that* - Mac kit's inflated in your part of the world.[06:24:25] * steven_h loads pearpc[06:25:53] <silverpower> When I last bugged the devs about it, it kinda sorta boots but I can't recall if you can get to KDL yet, and that's probably only on NewWorld machines.[06:26:28] <silverpower> Some of the build's messed up for PPC targets last I checked, as well.[06:28:06] <silverpower> I imagine it's even more of a disaster unless something's changed from last I was following Haiku religiously...[06:28:29] <umccullough_work> well, at least everything builds in GCC4[06:28:38] <umccullough_work> endianness is probably a rampant issue[06:28:56] <silverpower> Yeah.[06:28:57] <umccullough_work> but I was never sure if the bootloader even worked![06:29:48] <silverpower> Give me several hours and a bit of motivation and I can start building it on my own PPC machine.[06:30:48] <silverpower> It's a G3/500, though, so it'll take a long while.[06:31:24] <silverpower> (and I'd have to free a few gigs of space somewhere to build in...)[06:32:12] <DeadYak> wheeeeee[06:32:46] <silverpower> But I'll be glad to give it a shot if you want me to - then I can start reporting errors in the build process. I could also get my x86 desktop going again so I have an actual dev box to play with.[06:33:19] <umccullough_work> silverpower, if you ask me, i'll tell you YEAH!...but really, don't listen to me ;)[06:34:03] <umccullough_work> is a G3 500 significantly slower than PII 350?[06:34:55] *** Yez_ has joined #Haiku[06:35:23] <steven_h> doesn't look like anyone ever tried to load beos in pearpc[06:35:30] *** Yez has quit IRC[06:35:55] <silverpower> gah, stupid lag.[06:37:04] <silverpower> Not really - it's almost on par with my Celeron 700 x86 desktop, aside from SSE1 (can't ever seem to afford the G4/550 upgrade).[06:37:27] *** Sloar has joined #haiku[06:38:34] <silverpower> Of course, my Inspiron laptop beats this ancient Powerbook senseless. Shame, that.[06:39:44] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[06:41:58] *** umccullough_work has quit IRC[06:44:24] *** BryanV has joined #haiku[06:54:19] <[Katisu]> BryanV, it's a 2X CD-ROM[06:54:46] <[Katisu]> imagine you would want something better than that[06:59:49] <kokito> BryanV!![07:03:56] <BryanV> [Katisu] - yeah, no thanks.[07:03:59] <BryanV> kokito?[07:04:30] <kokito> yes BryanV. it's koki just saying hi. :)[07:05:06] <steven_h> in jamfiles, if i linkAgainst 'libname', is jam smart enough to work out i mean liblibname.so ?[07:06:11] <BryanV> Howdy![07:06:42] <kokito> :)[07:07:32] <kokito> in front of the computer at 1:00AM only 4 months after your wedding? bad sign BryanV. :P[07:12:57] <BryanV> Nah, not a bad sign.[07:13:00] <BryanV> She's worn out. :-p[07:13:03] <BryanV> j/k[07:13:20] <BryanV> actually I was just heading off to sleep. Finished up what I was working on.[07:13:24] <BryanV> adios[07:13:27] *** BryanV has quit IRC[07:29:29] *** kr1stof has left #haiku[07:35:48] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[07:49:34] *** mmadia has quit IRC[07:51:21] *** Nies_ has joined #haiku[07:58:58] *** Nies has quit IRC[08:07:14] *** umccullough has joined #haiku[08:28:13] *** ormandj has joined #haiku[08:28:26] <ormandj> umccullough: oh, glorious day![08:28:35] <ormandj> vindication has arrived![08:28:50] <umccullough> ormandj, how come i expected you to show up ;)[08:29:06] <ormandj> goodness, I have *no* idea![08:29:07] <ormandj> :p[08:29:14] <ormandj> (to gloat)[08:29:24] <ormandj> how's it mate?[08:29:30] <umccullough> not bad :D[08:29:35] <ormandj> hehe[08:29:40] <umccullough> the news is... interesting ;)[08:29:46] <ormandj> some people are going to eat crow tonight/tomorrow when they read[08:29:59] <geist> hmm?[08:30:01] <umccullough> heh, i bet they (shills) mod you down a lot![08:30:10] <umccullough> http://www.bitsofnews.com/content/view/5498/44/[08:30:13] <ormandj> umccullough: wouldn't be the first time[08:30:22] <ormandj> thom might try and ban me again[08:30:26] <ormandj> he's done it thrice prior[08:30:30] <geist> oh that[08:31:08] <ormandj> it's really cool that they allowed Be Book to be blasted out under CC[08:31:15] <ormandj> i loved that book to death[08:32:02] <umccullough> in the grand scheme of things, Thom is mostly a Haiku supporter, so i don't have a beef with him ;)[08:32:58] <ormandj> i have beef with how he handles things, regardless of his claimed support, but that's personal ;)[08:33:02] <ormandj> either way[08:33:05] <ormandj> interesting news, for sure[08:33:36] <ormandj> i do agree with some of the other posters, too, people should avoid any source from bernd&company like the plague[08:33:44] <ormandj> that's a liability haiku doesn't need[08:34:22] <geist> all in all i dont see that much of a problem[08:34:31] <geist> everyone knows the dano source was leaked a while ago, didn't change anything[08:34:37] <umccullough> i can't see how zeta/beos source would help haiku now anyhow...[08:35:13] <umccullough> having built entire products from the ground up at work, i couldn't imagine taking someone elses version of the same product and trying to re-use their code...[08:35:15] <ormandj> geist: yeah, but ACCESS just expressed it's disapproval of any use of derivative works from the beos source base (which means possible litigation down the road if it was feasible)[08:35:27] <geist> right[08:35:31] <ormandj> umccullough: i was thinking drivers or such, maybe wireless[08:35:39] <geist> so the point is the water is already as 'poisoned' as it's gonna ever be[08:35:41] <umccullough> drivers yes...that's what i was thinking too[08:35:55] <umccullough> geist, i prefer the term pissed in ;)[08:36:15] <ormandj> geist: well, like when windows' source was released, anybody who looked at it (hopefully) doesn't take part in something like reactos (they had to do a huge audit)[08:36:25] <ormandj> i don't want to see that kind of crap happen with haiku[08:36:26] <geist> yup[08:36:33] <ormandj> if no code gets released, it's one less thing to worry about[08:36:38] <umccullough> i think David's statements pretty much 100% legitimize haiku now[08:36:38] <geist> of course i've seen the beos source, and i wrote a bit chunk of haiku[08:36:51] <ormandj> umccullough: yes, that's the positive side of things :)[08:37:08] <geist> but the sources did not cross-pollinate[08:37:42] <geist> if ACCESS cared, there may be some sort of contention there, *maybe*[08:37:50] <ormandj> geist: down the road, if access were to be bought by some litigation-friendly company, you might have to prove that no cross-pollination occurred (or at least defend against claims that it did)[08:37:56] <geist> in the same way if a MS kernel guy quit and was the primary developer on reactos[08:38:00] <ormandj> ACCESS looks like it's not going after Haiku at all though[08:38:17] <geist> but since access doesn't care[08:38:25] <umccullough> i suspect if anything, ACCESS Probably sees Haiku as a potential friend in the future ;)[08:38:49] <geist> or at least it doesn't help them to be unfriendly[08:38:50] <kokito> David@ACCESS likes Haiku. I know it first hand. :)[08:39:01] <ormandj> kokito: haha, he mentioned you :p[08:39:14] <geist> since they are using open source stuff for lots of their stuff, they have to be nice to the OSS community[08:39:30] <kokito> yeah, I "worked" with him on the BeBook and Be Newsletter stuff for the last several months.[08:39:31] <ormandj> well, it's great news overall, it's positive for Haiku in all senses[08:39:48] <kokito> he has been very supportive all along[08:40:46] <geist> anyway, lefty is a good guy. I've heard good things about him form my be buddies that worked with em[08:41:00] <ormandj> wonderful to hear guys :)[08:41:14] <umccullough> jeez ormandj, did you post enoguh osnews comments!?[08:41:20] <umccullough> i don't have very many vote points left ;)[08:41:36] <ormandj> umccullough: hehe, read your PM history, not sure if you noticed - but you got a lot of mod ups from me[08:41:52] <umccullough> i noticed my score had been growing :D[08:41:53] <ormandj> your osnews email might be wrong, because it should have notified you i sent you a PM[08:41:53] <ormandj> :p[08:42:22] <umccullough> PM?[08:42:27] <umccullough> is that only for subscribers?[08:42:51] <ormandj> no[08:42:55] <ormandj> www4.osnews.com[08:43:16] <ormandj> i'd never pay a dime to the OSNews folks :p[08:43:19] <umccullough> oh...[08:43:23] <ormandj> heck, i use adblock plus lol[08:43:27] <umccullough> let me check the www4 site[08:43:36] <umccullough> don't need "plus" ;)[08:43:43] <umccullough> (i use adblock too!)[08:43:55] <geist> eugenia I think hooked me up with a lifetime 'paid' account, so no biggie here[08:43:59] <umccullough> ah, messages![08:44:20] <umccullough> did i get down-modded?[08:44:22] <ormandj> geist lol[08:44:27] <ormandj> umcc: yes, but i fixed that[08:44:38] <ormandj> your posts on that article you linked as a reference[08:44:43] <ormandj> you got severely modded down[08:44:48] *** petterhj- has quit IRC[08:44:49] <ormandj> all of your posts lol[08:44:53] <umccullough> bah...bastards ;)[08:44:53] <ormandj> seems you made a fan :p[08:48:22] <umccullough> i wish osnews allowed > 5 mod points[08:49:35] <ormandj> yeah, me too[08:49:38] <ormandj> i'd give you 20[08:49:41] <ormandj> lol[08:50:56] <umccullough> lol[08:51:11] <umccullough> there are a lot of times when i find a good comment someone made, and it's already at 5 ;)[08:54:14] <umccullough> ormandj, Luposian has been here a couple times in the last day or so[08:54:23] <ormandj> yeah?[08:54:45] <umccullough> he's ... funny[08:55:30] <ormandj> lol[08:55:33] <ormandj> how so?[08:55:34] <umccullough> http://echelog.matzon.dk/logs/browse/haiku/1175496876[08:55:51] <umccullough> geist is classic there ;)[08:55:54] <ormandj> ohhh, i got a PM! mm ;)[08:55:59] * ormandj goes to read[08:56:38] <umccullough> [02:54:40] <Luposian> I had heard people were expecting my arrival in IRC yesterday. Any truth to that?[08:56:38] <umccullough> [02:56:43] *** umccullough_work has quit IRC[08:56:38] <umccullough> [02:57:16] <Luposian> [crickets chirping][09:01:08] *** ormandj has quit IRC[09:01:14] <umccullough> urp[09:01:38] <steven_h> [crickets chirping][09:01:47] *** ormandj has joined #haiku[09:02:09] <ormandj> could you repost that link?[09:02:15] <ormandj> managed to crash colloquy[09:03:31] <geist> http://echelog.matzon.dk/logs/browse/haiku/1175496876[09:04:17] <kokito> time to get some sleep now. good night folks[09:04:24] <geist> nite[09:04:44] <umccullough> 'night[09:05:17] <umccullough> ormandj, it's interesting just to search the last couple days for "Luposian" and see what was said :D[09:05:34] <ormandj> night night[09:05:37] <umccullough> ormandj, i'm almost curious what Alexander G. Rubio wanted you to email him for[09:05:51] <umccullough> but you don't have to say ;)[09:06:38] <ormandj> i'll pm[09:07:07] *** steven_h has quit IRC[09:07:07] *** [Katisu] has quit IRC[09:11:33] *** kokito has quit IRC[09:15:53] <silverpower> umccullough, I should be getting the build environment finished up sometime tomorrow, hopefully. Ran into a snag with mounting a spare partition - accidentally filled my Gentoo / with the haiku tree. That'll teach me to guess at which of the two identical 7.5GB partitions is mounted as /... :P[09:18:35] <umccullough> silverpower, sounds fun ;)[09:19:58] <silverpower> hehe, yeah, it is. I'd be starting the build now if I didn't have to wait for the tree to be put where it belongs. Ah, well.[09:21:05] <silverpower> (UDMA66 intra-disk copying is not the fastest thing in the world, after all.)[09:21:14] <umccullough> heh[09:21:47] <geist> in beos? absolutely[09:22:05] <geist> i had to copy the entire tree a while back in beos[09:22:10] <geist> it took a few hours[09:23:09] * ormandj has nightmares of the "copy file" guy from osnews[09:23:22] <umccullough> that's Luposian...[09:23:26] <silverpower> oi. Perhaps I should go to bed then. I'm on Linux, though, not that it matters much. (I'm trying to build the PowerPC target on a PPC system atm.)[09:23:45] <ormandj> umccullough: i know, i'm just remarking since geist brought up copying :p[09:23:50] <umccullough> heh[09:23:50] <ormandj> (reading the link btw)[09:24:52] *** silverpower is now known as silver|zzz[09:25:48] <umccullough> this part was funny:[09:25:49] <umccullough> [03:40:38] <Luposian> Hey wait a sec... we got a guyt saying he LOVES another guy? What'[09:25:49] <umccullough> [03:40:46] <Luposian> What's going on here...[09:25:49] <umccullough> [03:40:56] <aldeck> umcculough: the missing symbol is 'funlockfile'[09:25:49] <umccullough> [03:41:20] *** Jin has quit IRC[09:25:50] <umccullough> [03:41:23] <steven_h> Luposian, do you get kicked from a lot of channels?[09:26:00] <ormandj> haha[09:26:03] <ormandj> that is pretty good[09:26:13] <ormandj> what was with his first entrance into the room?[09:26:38] <ormandj> [08:50:09] *** Luposian has joined #haiku[09:26:39] <ormandj> [08:50:49] <Luposian> My ears were burning... was someone talking about me here?[09:26:40] <ormandj> [08:52:51] <Luposian> Hmmm... sure is quiet. Don't everyone start talking at once. :-)[09:26:40] <ormandj> [08:55:23] <Luposian> Oh, well... must've been my imagination...[09:26:40] <ormandj> [08:55:34] *** Luposian has quit IRC[09:26:43] <ormandj> [09:05:52] * geist double takes[09:26:44] <umccullough> we're not entirely sure...[09:26:45] <ormandj> hah :p[09:27:26] <umccullough> I had been anticipating his arrival though after I blasted him on osnews... and mentioned it the day prior![09:27:39] <ormandj> lol[09:27:48] <ormandj> sounds like this channel is getting spiced up :p[09:28:52] <ormandj> [22:07:00] <rgb> Zeta is dead ! :([09:28:52] <ormandj> [22:07:46] <SamuelGZ> sorry?[09:28:52] <ormandj> [22:07:58] <Meanwhile> no[09:28:52] <ormandj> [22:08:59] <geist> not particularly[09:28:53] <ormandj> [22:10:55] <SamuelGZ> April fools ;)[09:28:53] <ormandj> [22:11:59] <stargater> rgb: nice :-)[09:28:54] <ormandj> [22:12:18] <stargater> somethinks are better is dead[09:28:56] <ormandj> nice :p[09:29:32] <ormandj> oh wow, yak still pops in here?[09:29:41] <ormandj> hi deadyak![09:29:50] <umccullough> ah, it was the the 28th:[09:29:51] <umccullough> [03:00:24] <geist> umccullough_work: oh man, saw the luposian posts[09:29:51] <umccullough> [03:00:54] <umccullough_work> lol[09:29:51] <umccullough> [03:01:25] <umccullough_work> what a whiner![09:29:51] <umccullough> [03:01:44] <geist> I'm sure he's a real winner in real life[09:29:52] <umccullough> [03:02:27] <geist> would be fun if he did stop by here[09:29:53] <umccullough> [03:02:53] <umccullough_work> yeah, that's actually one of the reasons I came here - to see if he'd take the bait[09:29:56] <umccullough> [03:03:00] <umccullough_work> ;)[09:30:35] <umccullough> and this happened the same day (unfortunately echelog doesn't record hostnames)[09:30:36] <umccullough> [03:56:57] *** Luposian has joined #haiku[09:30:36] <umccullough> [03:57:03] <Luposian> WHAT UP[09:30:36] <umccullough> [03:57:06] <umccullough_work> lol[09:30:36] <umccullough> [03:57:08] <umccullough_work> nice try[09:30:37] <umccullough> [03:57:13] <Luposian> aww damn, i forgot to fix the user anme[09:30:38] <umccullough> [03:57:18] *** Luposian has quit IRC[09:30:39] <umccullough> [03:57:32] <umccullough_work> ok, i laughed pretty damn hard though[09:30:46] <ormandj> lol[09:30:47] <umccullough> (it was geist)[09:30:59] <ormandj> that's awesome[09:31:42] <umccullough> it was funny cuz it said "Luposian joins (geist at asdfasdfasd dot comcast.net)"[09:31:46] <umccullough> i couldn't stop laughing[09:32:11] <ormandj> hehe, yeah, that woulda made me crack up too.[09:34:12] <CIA-17> axeld * r20545 /buildtools/trunk/jam/jam.h:[09:34:12] <CIA-17> I couldn't do a full clean build without this any longer using Linux and GCC 2.95.3 (Archive action too[09:34:12] <CIA-17> long), YMMV.[09:36:08] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[09:36:48] *** stargater has joined #haiku[09:36:50] <stargater> hi[09:36:57] <umccullough> hi stargater[09:37:33] <stargater> umccullough: haiku have network icon in the deskbar ?[09:38:00] <umccullough> i think so[09:38:04] <umccullough> haven't tested it yet[09:38:15] <umccullough> hugo, stippi, and axel worked on it![09:38:32] *** jiuda_D`arkness has joined #haiku[09:38:45] <ormandj> hi stargater![09:41:43] <stargater> ormandj: hi :-)[09:42:03] <ormandj> how goes it? i read some of your posts in a log while laughing about luposian :p[09:45:05] <stargater> ormandj: it goese fine, but what you mean is "luposian" ? :-)[09:45:20] <ormandj> it's a crazy guy umccullough and i know from OSNews[09:45:48] <umccullough> stargater, you've never heard of the Luposian Bug?[09:45:49] <stargater> umccullough: my intel wifi card will not work in haiku ipro2100 :([09:46:08] <umccullough> bummer :([09:46:16] <stargater> no ? what is this :-)[09:48:43] <umccullough> i catalogued it...[09:48:46] <umccullough> let me see[09:49:11] <umccullough> bah, my rafb.net link is gone[09:49:18] <umccullough> it's on my machine at work ;)[09:49:26] <stargater> ok[09:49:27] <stargater> :-)[09:50:34] *** mazon is now known as Mazon[09:52:22] <ormandj> stargater: something about copying a large file, it gets copied into memory then copied to disk, thus if it's a really big file....[09:52:32] <ormandj> anyways this crazy nut constantly moans about it[09:53:12] <stargater> ahh ok[09:53:43] <umccullough> http://rafb.net/p/6Cv2Et63.html[09:54:05] <umccullough> that doesn't include his recent comments :D[09:54:57] <ormandj> haha, didn't know you kept a log :p[09:55:22] <umccullough> i created it the other day[09:55:29] <umccullough> went back through EVERY ONE of his comments ;)[09:55:35] <umccullough> it was fun[09:55:46] <umccullough> ok, maybe i only went through the ones that were beos/haiku/zeta related[09:56:46] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[09:56:55] <ormandj> lol[09:56:58] <ormandj> stalker!!![09:58:38] <umccullough> it was worth reading, there's some real humor there[09:59:01] <umccullough> i deviated into some other topics for fun to see what he said[09:59:04] <stargater> hehe[09:59:11] <umccullough> and then i added him as a friend ;)[09:59:18] <ormandj> lolol[09:59:29] <ormandj> he probably flipped out[09:59:55] <umccullough> well hell, i figured i'd degraded him enough that i at least owed him that ;)[10:00:16] <ormandj> we all need clowns to make our days happy ;)[10:00:22] <stargater> but the bug is real = i have this when open a jpge in showimage the memeory will uses more an more rams when opemn and close a jpge in showimage[10:00:25] <ormandj> now you've got your very own personal clown[10:00:36] <ormandj> stargater: we all know it's real, he just likes to say it a LOT[10:00:45] <umccullough> stargater, yes!...that's what's so funny[10:00:54] <ormandj> there can be an article on dog training, and he replies about the copy bug[10:00:59] <umccullough> it's a very serious issue that everyone knew about ;)[10:01:31] <umccullough> but he literally believed that he was the only one that was actually concerned about its existence or something[10:01:55] <ormandj> he just somehow thinks if he keeps saying it over and over it will get noticed by all of us "ignorant" folks who "don't know" about the bug :p[10:02:44] <umccullough> i think he's expecting to take credit when it gets fixed ;)[10:02:57] <ormandj> hehe[10:03:02] <stargater> :-) i go shower[10:03:16] <umccullough> i was planning an official press release thanking him for all his encouragement and support through the long process of fixing it[10:03:17] <ormandj> i wonder what the "// comment" will be near that fix :p[10:03:31] <ormandj> stargater: ok, ciao![10:03:53] <stargater> i will see a film 300 :-) 300 vs 1000 Haiku dev/user = Spartaner :-)[10:03:54] <umccullough> "we never could have solved this problem without the efforts of Luposian!"[10:04:05] <ormandj> stargater: i am greek, and i am proud! :p[10:04:31] <ormandj> umccullough: // fucking Luposian[10:04:38] <ormandj> :p[10:04:45] <stargater> cool , you are a real man ...spartaner tonight we eat in hell :-)[10:04:58] <ormandj> aha :p[10:05:19] <stargater> this is Sparta ...[10:05:39] <ormandj> Remember this day, men, for it will be yours for all time...[10:05:52] <umccullough> ugh, i need to get to bed[10:05:52] <ormandj> this is where we fight! this is where they die![10:05:55] <ormandj> me too[10:06:06] <umccullough> plenty of excitement today/tonight though :)[10:06:13] <ormandj> hehe, no joke, can't wait for tomorrow[10:06:17] <ormandj> when people are actually awake[10:06:20] <ormandj> and read that article :p[10:06:36] <stargater> ormandj: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZm52UrkDpA[10:07:19] <ormandj> stargater: that movie is in my blood ;)[10:09:10] <ormandj> goodnight all[10:09:11] <ormandj> i sleep now :)[10:09:27] <ormandj> ciaoooo[10:09:30] *** ormandj has quit IRC[10:14:19] <jiuda_D`arkness> I must call one different function respect BMessage() in argument of BTextControl[10:15:33] <umccullough> 'night here too[10:15:37] *** umccullough has left #haiku[10:17:11] <jiuda_D`arkness> because I do not know like passing of the arguments to MessageReceived[10:17:32] <jiuda_D`arkness> and is impossible to use a global variables[10:20:55] <jiuda_D`arkness> but BTextControl need a BMessage[10:21:09] <jiuda_D`arkness> *want[10:21:29] <Teknomancer> pass NULL[10:23:28] <jiuda_D`arkness> perhaps i am not explained to you[10:23:42] <Teknomancer> :)[10:23:49] <jiuda_D`arkness> lol[10:25:10] <raph_ael> hello[10:25:25] <jiuda_D`arkness> the BTextControl in its arguments want a BMesage(msg) and i want to call a function different to BMessage[10:25:25] <Teknomancer> hi[10:25:50] <jiuda_D`arkness> sorry for my english...XD[10:25:53] <Teknomancer> jiuda_D`arkness pass a BMessage, and from MessageReceived() call the function u want for that BMessage[10:26:12] <Teknomancer> that BMessage in the constructor only supplies the message on ENTER, or TAB etc.[10:26:25] <Teknomancer> if u want to send for every key press use textControl->SetModificationMessage (message);[10:28:20] <jiuda_D`arkness> ok[10:36:35] <jiuda_D`arkness> the function that i want to call need an arguments that are declared in the function that create the BTextControl therefore in the MessageReceived does not exist these variables because it's local variables[10:40:26] *** nielx has joined #haiku[10:51:30] *** stargater has quit IRC[11:05:19] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[11:05:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[11:08:46] *** slaad has joined #haiku[11:09:09] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[11:10:32] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[11:10:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[11:12:59] *** Odin-LAP has joined #haiku[11:16:56] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[11:19:40] *** jiuda_D`arkness has quit IRC[11:34:45] *** slaad has quit IRC[11:38:47] *** Sloar has quit IRC[11:41:10] <CIA-17> axeld * r20546 /haiku/trunk/ (14 files in 7 dirs): (log message trimmed)[11:41:10] <CIA-17> * Changed ETHER_GET_LINK_STATE ethernet driver interface, added ETHER_SET_LINK_STATE_SEM.[11:41:10] <CIA-17> * The device interface list now uses class DoublyLinkedList instead of struct list.[11:41:10] <CIA-17> * Implemented SIOC[SG]IFMEDIA for setting (not supported by any device yet), and[11:41:10] <CIA-17> retrieving the device media information.[11:41:11] <CIA-17> * Fixed a locking bug in list_domain_interfaces().[11:41:15] <CIA-17> * Added new stack function device_link_changed() that should be called in case the[11:51:05] *** nielx has quit IRC[11:58:39] *** Ramshankar has joined #haiku[12:07:24] *** absabs has joined #haiku[12:16:34] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[12:16:35] *** Ramshankar is now known as Teknomancer[12:17:46] *** Odin-LAP has quit IRC[12:19:04] *** Odin-LAP has joined #haiku[12:19:31] *** Odin-LAP has quit IRC[12:25:36] <CIA-17> axeld * r20547 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/devices/ethernet/ethernet.cpp:[12:25:36] <CIA-17> net_device should come first in order to guaranty it will work together nicely[12:25:36] <CIA-17> with C only code. Thanks Hugo![12:32:52] *** Atomozero has joined #haiku[12:40:11] *** Hoern has joined #Haiku[12:46:17] *** Euver has joined #haiku[12:48:41] *** doppeljot has joined #haiku[12:52:57] *** Atomozero has quit IRC[12:55:03] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[12:57:59] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[13:03:27] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[13:06:07] *** TLF has joined #haiku[13:07:26] *** [Katisu] has joined #haiku[13:09:07] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[13:19:15] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[13:25:16] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[13:25:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[13:25:49] <mmu_man> hmm looks like I forked my on xemacs tree...[13:25:53] <mmu_man> I have an old toolbar code on the current I know I had working :^)[13:25:58] <mmu_man> will have to diff[13:27:45] *** bga has joined #haiku[13:27:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o bga[13:28:14] <mmu_man> plop bga[13:28:22] <bga> mmu_man: Hello.[13:28:27] <mmu_man> so, copying that old xemacs cvs tree around...[13:28:37] <mmu_man> [13:30] <mmu_man> I have an old toolbar code on the current I know I had working :^)[13:28:47] <mmu_man> seems I picked up the wrong tree when starting over :))[13:28:50] *** Tekno has joined #haiku[13:29:03] <mmu_man> I'll have to diff the diffs =)[13:29:11] <Ingenu> mmh[13:29:15] <Ingenu> soooooooooo[13:29:23] <Ingenu> when's Haiku R1 scheduled for ?[13:29:37] <bga> Real Soon Now (tm)[13:29:46] <mmu_man> when the BeIDE replacement is ready[13:29:58] <mmu_man> I still have to fix the toolbar code, so :))[13:30:12] <mmu_man> and add menubar support[13:30:18] <Tekno> hmm BeIDE replacement?[13:30:24] <Tekno> i might be totally interested in writing one :)[13:30:30] <mmu_man> yes, you didn't know ? XEmacs will replace it :))[13:30:33] <Ingenu> VS like ?[13:30:34] <Tekno> MakeMe got some cool responsese :)[13:30:55] *** Tekno is now known as Teknomancr[13:32:19] <Teknomancr> so if i want to write a BeIDE replacement, ... are there any pages on it ?[13:32:23] <Teknomancr> like what has been planned etc ?[13:32:28] <mmu_man> Teknomancr don't bother[13:32:31] <mmu_man> there is Pe[13:32:38] <Teknomancr> there is but its Project management sucks[13:32:53] <mmu_man> still one must fix the non-qwerty keymap flawes[13:33:12] <mmu_man> I'm sure MakeMe can be contributed someway[13:33:27] <Teknomancr> mmu_man contributed someway? as in ... ?[13:33:41] <mmu_man> opened[13:33:47] <Teknomancr> anyway i wanna change the Path handling for MakeMe[13:33:55] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[13:33:56] *** Teknomancr is now known as Teknomancer[13:34:10] <mmu_man> never used it, so can't tell :)[13:34:14] <Teknomancer> and maybe migrate from BMessage format...[13:34:45] <mmu_man> I'd suggest either using a plain text format, or text-flattened BMessages =)[13:34:57] <mmu_man> brb[13:35:04] <mmu_man> need to unplug that noisy hdd[13:35:05] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[13:35:32] <Teknomancer> hmm, text flattened BMessage or plain text ?[13:35:38] <Teknomancer> hmm[13:35:47] <Teknomancer> sounds fine but then we'd have to write a parser for the text format :))[13:35:52] <Teknomancer> whereas using BMessages simply rocks[13:37:57] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[13:37:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[13:48:09] *** absabs has quit IRC[13:48:50] <Fanskapet> wohoo TNT will deliver my macbook tomorow[13:48:55] * Fanskapet is happy[13:48:56] <Fanskapet> :P[13:49:44] <Teknomancer> hope they don't deliver TNT ;)[13:49:59] <Fanskapet> hopefully not :)[13:50:22] <Fanskapet> blow up while pressing the power button :)[13:51:38] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[13:54:32] <Fanskapet> will be interesting was a veeery long time ago i've had a brand new mac[13:57:37] <CIA-17> axeld * r20548 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/translators/raw/ (ConfigView.cpp RAW.cpp main.cpp):[13:57:37] <CIA-17> * Rotated images did not work correctly.[13:57:37] <CIA-17> * Removed ICO specific configuration, added copyright note about the source of this translator.[13:57:37] <CIA-17> * Disabled test mode for the build.[14:05:56] *** doppeljot has left #haiku[14:08:32] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[14:20:20] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[14:27:59] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[14:29:34] *** GreyGhost has joined #haiku[14:31:51] <CIA-17> axeld * r20549 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/translators/raw/RAW.cpp: Rotated images still didn't work correctly; they were offseted.[14:40:45] <GreyGhost> http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/3817/haikucrashgd0.jpg wierd eh ?[14:50:55] <CIA-17> hugosantos * r20550 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/network/ifconfig/ifconfig.cpp: output IFF_LINK, IFF_AUTO_CONFIGURED and IFF_CONFIGURING flags[14:51:10] <CIA-17> hugosantos * r20551 /haiku/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs):[14:51:10] <CIA-17> ipro1000: added ETHER_GET_LINK_STATE support[14:51:10] <CIA-17> * use em_media_status to get link status[14:51:10] <CIA-17> * added IFM_1000_SX (Fiber Optic) to net/if_media.h[14:51:24] <CIA-17> hugosantos * r20552 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/ (2 files in 2 dirs): set IFM_ACTIVE if ipro1000 has link and output media changes on update_link_state()[14:51:37] <CIA-17> hugosantos * r20553 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/stack/datalink.cpp: don't overwrite the flags we set when the interface goes up or down, instead just update the flags in the same place.[14:53:36] <CIA-17> hugosantos * r20554 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/stack/datalink.cpp: handle all cases of SIOCSIFFLAGS in the same place[14:54:21] <GreyGhost> O_o ... lot of fixes ..[14:54:52] <_hugo> lunch break now :-)[14:55:07] <GreyGhost> hehe :D[15:03:49] <fyysik> opps, probably i missed something in last months. Is author of SVG Tracker and BeAndSee back at our community? Returned from linux?[15:05:02] <fyysik> or is that another Hugo Santos ?[15:05:30] <_hugo> fyysik: its the same hugo[15:05:46] <fyysik> nice:)[15:06:07] <_hugo> although nowadays i mostly do other stuff :-)[15:06:10] <fyysik> I always suspected that BeOS idea is too attractive to be left for ever:)[15:06:16] <_hugo> indeed[15:06:43] <mmu_man> :)[15:07:18] <GreyGhost> hmm... how do i see the cdrom files ? where are they mounted?[15:08:45] <mmu_man> they are mounted at /foo where foo is teh name of the CD usually[15:09:28] <mmu_man> http://revolf.free.fr/beos/shots/shot_xemacs_zeta_speedbar_nicer.png XEmacs is really more and more usable as a BeIDE replacement =)[15:09:40] <fyysik> _hugo - learning or working already as profi-programmer?[15:09:43] <GreyGhost> ok[15:09:53] *** Beo_ has joined #haiku[15:10:07] <_hugo> fyysik: im finishing my studies[15:11:19] <fyysik> i c[15:11:22] <GreyGhost> hmm.. but i cant find my haiku.iso .. i believe i can use UDF formatted CDs rather than ISO9660 ?[15:12:26] <mmu_man> it's *not* an iso[15:12:37] <mmu_man> BeOS and Haiku cannot boot from ISO[15:12:58] <mmu_man> so all CD images are actually a small ISO with a floppy image and a big BFS image[15:13:14] <Beo_> fyysik hi[15:13:15] <GreyGhost> mmu_man , no no .. i've created an iso to tranfer some apps onto Haiku under VMware.. cos i couldnt figure out any other way[15:13:25] <mmu_man> ah[15:13:41] <mmu_man> not sure Tracker can mount CDs yet[15:13:46] <mmu_man> you might have to use Terminal[15:13:49] <mmu_man> mkdir /iso[15:13:55] <GreyGhost> ahh.. ok[15:13:58] <mmu_man> mount -t iso9660 /dev/disk/... /iso[15:13:58] <GreyGhost> thanks[15:14:21] <GreyGhost> standard linux eh?[15:14:50] <mmu_man> standard *unix* :)[15:14:51] <GreyGhost> though i couldnt make an iso9660 cos it wouldnt taje more than 8 subdirs ..[15:15:00] <GreyGhost> ahh yes standard *nix ;)[15:15:05] <fyysik> hi Beo_[15:16:03] <GreyGhost> nope its an UDF .. though i should have tried a Joliet firtst[15:17:25] <mmu_man> ah[15:17:47] <GreyGhost> ok .. thanks :)[15:20:03] <GreyGhost> Joliet hates it too ;) UDF it is then :[15:20:10] <GreyGhost> :)[15:24:23] <GreyGhost> Terminal is rewritten or original bash port?[15:26:40] <mmu_man> bash != Terminal[15:27:00] <mmu_man> Terminal just displays what bash does[15:29:14] <GreyGhost> oh k[15:32:22] <CIA-17> axeld * r20555 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/network/ifconfig/ifconfig.cpp: Added support for printing the media type.[15:35:28] *** Grlubb has left #haiku[15:36:13] *** fyysik has quit IRC[15:41:39] *** kb7sqi has quit IRC[15:42:47] <CIA-17> axeld * r20556 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/devices/ethernet/ethernet.cpp:[15:42:47] <CIA-17> * Set default media type to IFM_ETHER.[15:42:47] <CIA-17> * Added ETHER_INIT back in; we even have a driver in our repository that uses it,[15:42:47] <CIA-17> thanks to Michael for pointing that out.[15:56:26] *** ul1984 has joined #haiku[15:57:01] *** ul1984 has quit IRC[15:59:43] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[16:00:40] *** silver|zzz is now known as silverpower[16:01:12] *** ul1984 has joined #haiku[16:01:26] *** ul1984 has quit IRC[16:01:31] *** ul1984 has joined #haiku[16:03:42] *** arikato has quit IRC[16:06:29] *** jevin has quit IRC[16:07:07] *** absabs has joined #haiku[16:07:19] *** guildencrantz has joined #haiku[16:07:40] <GreyGhost> err... just leaving Haiku alone running under VMware seems to page fault it ..[16:20:34] <CIA-17> axeld * r20557 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/network/ifconfig/ifconfig.cpp: Only print the media state in case we're linked.[16:25:34] *** guildencrantz has quit IRC[16:27:13] *** guildencrantz has joined #haiku[16:27:43] <GreyGhost> i still cant mount the iso .. :([16:28:34] *** jevin has joined #haiku[16:29:27] *** jevin has quit IRC[16:32:25] *** Beo_ has quit IRC[16:36:15] *** Sloar has joined #haiku[16:40:21] <[Beta]> hmm :/[16:41:44] *** sys2 has joined #haiku[16:42:29] <fyysik> heh, huge "war" in last OsNews entry:)[16:42:42] <sys2> osnews entry ? .. another haiku ?:)[16:43:56] <GreyGhost> OSnews usually gets in flames when it comes to ROS .. does it for Haiku too then ?[16:45:11] <Teknomancer> i would say haiku is probably the os that gets the least stick on Osnews ;)[16:45:34] <silverpower> linky?[16:47:38] <Teknomancer> silverpower link to ... ?[16:47:51] <Teknomancer> http://osnews.com ? :)[16:47:59] <silverpower> haha, never mind, I found it at the top.[16:48:02] <GreyGhost> Access 'Completely Unaware' of Legitimate Zeta License ?[16:48:51] <Teknomancer> i dont even wanna enter the Comments link :))[16:48:54] <silverpower> Though doesn't Palm own the BeOS IP stuff? Or has that changed recently? It's been a while since I've followed the news on the BeOS community..[16:49:34] <Teknomancer> oh my now they're quoting license of BeOS PE and stuff LOL[16:49:59] <GreyGhost> and i thought Zeta was ground up implementation like Haiku ..[16:50:05] <mmu_man> Teknomancer no you don't[16:50:13] <mmu_man> it's full of clueless ppl[16:50:17] <Teknomancer> mmu_man yes i know[16:50:22] <Teknomancer> haha[16:51:23] <GreyGhost> has anyone tried mount under Haiku ever ?[16:52:35] *** StylusEater_Work has joined #haiku[16:52:38] <Teknomancer> i haven't even tried haiku yet ;) I'm waiting for the "this-is-an-installer-for-you-dummy" CD :P[16:52:38] *** sys2 has quit IRC[16:52:53] *** sys2 has joined #haiku[16:52:56] <Teknomancer> but that might change since i'm interested in writing some stuff for it, ...[16:53:56] <mmu_man> didn't try mounting CDs yet[16:54:54] <GreyGhost> hmm.. cos whatever i do .. i still get invalid device message..[16:55:29] <GreyGhost> is there any other way i could transfer files onto the VM ?[16:55:56] <fyysik> silverpower - not Palm, but rather PalmSource - before ACCESS bought it:)[16:56:25] <GreyGhost> but so .. Zeta uses leaked BeOS source or something?[16:56:32] <silverpower> ohh![16:56:53] <aldeck> hi, cd mounting works (or used to, i didn't try recently though, since i can use wget to bring some files to my haiku for some time now :) )[16:57:27] <aldeck> i mean cd iso mounting under vmware worked for me[16:57:27] <silverpower> Do we have networking and working USB now, out of curiosity?[16:57:58] <DeadYak> both partial atm[16:58:13] <silverpower> Is there a Tulip driver?[16:58:14] <GreyGhost> lol .. seems like someone got angry and did that it seems.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnussoft_ZETA[16:58:41] <silverpower> never mind, I'll just look at my own tree.[16:58:42] <GreyGhost> aldeck , ok[17:00:26] <GreyGhost> just wondering.. how did ZETA get the BeOS source though?[17:01:28] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[17:02:51] <DeadYak> a lot of people probably have/had it, it was leaked about 6 years ago[17:03:02] <silverpower> :facepalm: I can't find the drivers in the tree.[17:03:12] <silverpower> where should I be looking?[17:03:15] <GreyGhost> ahh.. ok[17:03:39] <silverpower> (I'm looking at my local copy, mind.)[17:04:55] *** emitrax_ has joined #haiku[17:05:49] <aldeck> DeadYak: are you sure? i think only a few people have seen it[17:05:54] *** wkornewald has joined #haiku[17:05:59] <GreyGhost> hmm.. Haiku seems to unbearably unusable with the image that i've got .. keeps hanging after sometime ..[17:06:06] <wkornewald> hi, does anyone know sed magic?[17:06:22] <DeadYak> aldeck: it was downloadable in a few different places for a while, most people just didn't touch it[17:06:29] <DeadYak> or at least didn't admit to touching it[17:06:35] <wkornewald> I need to replace text that is spread over multiple lines :([17:06:40] <aldeck> DeadYak: i was around at the time and most people didn't even want to hear of it[17:06:46] <DeadYak> someone obviously did though, there was a partly working PPC version of it at some point.[17:07:14] <aldeck> hmm ok[17:07:25] <DeadYak> aldeck: depends on who you're talking to, Haiku developers obviously wouldn't because it'd be suicide[17:08:11] <Ingenu> there are only x86/x86_64 computers in the world[17:08:23] <aldeck> DeadYak: yep, and a lot of users where very loyal too[17:08:28] <silverpower> hahaha. no.[17:08:28] <Ingenu> only PCs, no matter how they are branded[17:08:41] <DeadYak> tell that to my SGI Indy[17:08:41] <Ingenu> (consumer level personal computer wise)[17:09:03] <DeadYak> Ingenu: so all those PowerMacs out there don't exist?[17:09:08] <silverpower> For that matter, tell that to my Apple Powerbook G3 (firewire).[17:09:13] <GreyGhost> bbl .. cya all[17:09:16] <Ingenu> nah[17:09:16] *** GreyGhost has quit IRC[17:09:22] <Ingenu> all new computers are x86[17:09:25] <Ingenu> that all that matters[17:09:26] <silverpower> Or my Sun Enterprise 250, for that matter.[17:09:39] <Ingenu> Haiku is aimed at the future, not the past[17:09:40] <Ingenu> IMO[17:09:50] <aldeck> consoles are mostly ppc now[17:09:56] <Ingenu> mostly ?[17:09:57] <Ingenu> all[17:10:07] <Ingenu> Wii/PS3/360[17:10:08] <aldeck> all next gen[17:10:09] <Ingenu> PPC[17:10:23] <DeadYak> PS2 is still being sold and the main CPU of that is a MIPS actually[17:10:27] <silverpower> I don't care about x86/amd64. Both arches can rot for all I care.[17:10:34] <Ingenu> bought a PS2 (my first) 3 weeks ago[17:10:46] <aldeck> hehe, never too late[17:10:54] <silverpower> Slimline or fat, Ingenu?[17:11:04] <Ingenu> slimline[17:11:09] <Ingenu> it's cute :)[17:11:15] * silverpower owns a dead V7 and used to own a V14c.[17:11:18] <Teknomancer> i dont like the slim one[17:11:20] <Teknomancer> overheated[17:11:27] <aldeck> the silent one, ah you're lucky[17:11:28] <silverpower> Yeah, if nothing else, it *is* cute.[17:11:45] * DeadYak pets his little collection of older computers[17:11:50] <Teknomancer> Wii owns all[17:11:51] <DeadYak> 2 SGIs and 2 BeBoxes :)[17:11:59] <sys2> well haiku isnt aimed for consoles is it? :P[17:12:06] <aldeck> DeadYak: nothing older?[17:12:09] <Ingenu> yes for Dreamvast ;)[17:12:09] <silverpower> But ever since I was introduced to the wonders of HDAdvance...[17:12:15] <Ingenu> Haiku for Dreamcast[17:12:29] <DeadYak> aldeck: I used to have an HP PA-RISC at one point[17:12:44] <DeadYak> don't have anything older right now though unless you factor in consoles[17:13:19] <aldeck> DeadYak: oh high end! i meant comps like, appleII, amiga, ti99[17:13:24] *** emitrax has quit IRC[17:13:35] <DeadYak> aldeck: well, my first was a C128D[17:13:36] <fyysik> heh, Bits Of News site looks slahdotted now with that ACCESS/Haiku/Zeta news[17:13:40] <DeadYak> aldeck: but I long since don't have that[17:14:18] <silverpower> Shame, that. I adored my C128, and I should've bought a C64 or two when I had the chance.[17:14:33] <DeadYak> why? C128 was a 64 as well[17:14:36] <Ingenu> Haiku gets ACCESS "support" that's all that matters[17:14:37] <DeadYak> go64 :)[17:14:40] <aldeck> DeadYak: mine are in the basement, but i love running emulators of these[17:14:57] <DeadYak> I think that was the command anyways, it's been something like 15 years[17:15:12] <silverpower> DeadYak, I know. ^^ But I wanted one so I could have the real SID sound.[17:15:15] <DeadYak> load"$",8,1[17:15:30] <DeadYak> silverpower: *blink* the SID in the 128 was different from the one in the 64?[17:15:34] <Teknomancer> int 0x25[17:15:41] <mmu_man> CLOAD"FOO"[17:15:42] <aldeck> hehe, never had a c64/128[17:15:51] <Teknomancer> i liked 8085 ASM :)[17:15:52] <silverpower> DeadYak, yep. 'bugfixed'. x_x[17:15:55] <mmu_man> !SAVE"FOO.BAS"[17:16:04] <DeadYak> silverpower: in what sense? I never noticed any problems[17:16:45] <silverpower> DeadYak, it only crops up if certain HW bugs of the original chip are abused in your C64 program.[17:16:52] <DeadYak> ah.[17:16:53] <aldeck> save mmu_man !![17:17:20] <mmu_man> CALL $300[17:17:38] <silverpower> DeadYak, which, for the more interesting uses of the SID, happens a *lot*.[17:17:39] <aldeck> :) :)[17:17:49] <DeadYak> silverpower: like what, SAM?[17:18:02] <silverpower> Among other things. :)[17:18:22] <silverpower> I never did get to play with that on real hardware - just an emulator. Shame, that.[17:18:32] <DeadYak> SAM was entertaining[17:18:55] <DeadYak> as was dr sbaitso :) albeit different platform[17:19:22] <silverpower> My computer wasn't powerful enough to emulate the SID as well as it could, so SAM had lots of emulation problems.[17:19:50] <silverpower> Perhaps I should try again on my new machine.[17:20:42] <silverpower> Now, I have a haiku-related question - where are the drivers kept in the tree?[17:20:51] <_hugo> add-ons/kernel/drivers[17:20:56] <aldeck> try on haiku, you'll have a nice crackling vintage sound :P[17:21:37] <silverpower> _hugo, I meant in the source tree.[17:21:49] <_hugo> silverpower: add-ons/kernel/drivers[17:22:05] <silverpower> ...[17:22:09] <silverpower> :headdesk:[17:22:24] <aldeck> btw, still no audio driver for vmware? sb16 or ensoniq[17:22:32] <_hugo> silverpower: in the source tree of haiku, the drivers are kept in the directory i mentioned. try looking :-)[17:22:35] *** snipe714 has joined #haiku[17:23:24] <silverpower> _hugo, yes, I just found them. I feel kinda stupid now.[17:23:47] <_hugo> silverpower: dont worry about it[17:24:03] <silverpower> mm.[17:24:12] <silverpower> no Tulip driver, it seems.[17:24:26] <silverpower> and no RTL8029 driver, either.[17:25:08] <_hugo> silverpower: if you can help the porting, it would be nice :-)[17:25:30] *** MrRagga has joined #haiku[17:29:10] <fyysik> 8029/ne2000 - wasn't it in sample code? or that was 8039?[17:30:27] <_hugo> etherpci driver is ne2000[17:30:51] *** genkie has joined #haiku[17:30:58] <fyysik> so 8029 should work(?)[17:31:09] <fyysik> i mean Haiku[17:31:55] <_hugo> yeah, 8029[17:32:14] <_hugo> 10ec, 8029 -- realtek 8029[17:33:08] <fyysik> so silverpower seems having opportunity to use it:)[17:36:21] <CIA-17> hugosantos * r20558 /haiku/trunk/src/bin/network/ifconfig/ifconfig.cpp: tiny case but T/TX is copper, SX is fiber[17:44:01] <silverpower> there goes my third PCI slot... :([17:44:07] <silverpower> ah, well, it's for a good cause.[17:46:31] *** MrRagga has quit IRC[17:47:38] *** b3w has joined #haiku[17:49:27] <Ingenu> there must be something interesting to do right now[17:49:30] <Ingenu> but I don't know what[17:50:59] *** genkie has quit IRC[17:55:03] <CIA-17> hugosantos * r20559 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/network/ipro1000/ (device.c device.h if_em.c): ipro1000 knows when its link state changes (notified by interrupt). Use ETHER_SET_LINK_STATE_SEM to wake the ethernet device link state notifier sooner.[17:59:28] <CIA-17> hugosantos * r20560 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/ (2 files in 2 dirs): we want the argument's contents, don't use the size of the pointer (this would even be 8 bytes in a 64 bits platform).[18:05:09] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[18:11:11] *** kokito has joined #haiku[18:12:42] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[18:16:37] *** ul1984 has quit IRC[18:19:29] *** ul1984 has joined #haiku[18:26:51] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[18:28:05] *** schmedly3d_ has joined #haiku[18:32:51] *** schmedly3d_ is now known as schmedly3d[18:34:06] *** aldeck has quit IRC[18:35:37] *** kynes has joined #haiku[18:38:57] *** absabs has quit IRC[18:42:12] *** genkie has joined #haiku[18:42:29] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[18:46:56] *** GreyGhost has joined #haiku[18:50:51] *** fyysik has quit IRC[18:52:29] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[19:02:49] *** arikato has joined #haiku[19:04:21] *** mmadia has quit IRC[19:04:57] <CIA-17> axeld * r20561 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Forgot to set IFM_ETHER in all drivers; "ethernet" now also sets it just in case.[19:06:47] *** Leszek has joined #haiku[19:14:45] *** Guest31218 has joined #haiku[19:15:40] <TTRanger> blip[19:20:30] <emitrax_> probably one of the FAQ but, has anybody been able to install haiku on the hard-disk from Linux ?[19:21:54] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[19:25:08] *** silverpower has quit IRC[19:26:05] *** ekdahl has joined #haiku[19:27:52] *** pikapika has joined #haiku[19:29:29] <pikapika> hello[19:31:17] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[19:31:46] *** Sil2100 has joined #haiku[19:31:59] *** GreyGhostNew has joined #haiku[19:32:44] *** GreyGhost has quit IRC[19:32:50] *** GreyGhostNew is now known as GreyGhost[19:36:03] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[19:39:09] *** silverpower has joined #haiku[19:40:08] <CIA-17> hugosantos * r20562 /haiku/trunk/ (6 files in 5 dirs): initial recvmsg and sendmsg implementations[19:45:54] *** bga has quit IRC[19:50:19] *** wkornewald has quit IRC[19:51:00] *** GreyGhost has left #haiku[20:08:58] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[20:10:36] *** M_199 is now known as Master199[20:13:00] *** Karina` has joined #haiku[20:16:36] *** snipe714 has quit IRC[20:16:55] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[20:21:44] *** Karina`` has quit IRC[20:24:09] *** jevin has joined #haiku[20:30:04] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[20:32:17] *** emitrax__ has joined #haiku[20:37:32] *** Begasus has quit IRC[20:37:33] *** oco has joined #haiku[20:48:55] *** emitrax_ has quit IRC[20:51:08] *** BeDave has joined #haiku[20:59:33] *** doppeljot has joined #haiku[21:03:58] *** NeonLicht has quit IRC[21:07:17] *** NeonLicht has joined #haiku[21:15:58] *** JamesB192 has joined #haiku[21:17:18] <CIA-17> hugosantos * r20563 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/stack/net_socket.cpp: some fixes to recvmsg() and sendmsg()[21:17:56] *** stargater has joined #haiku[21:17:59] <stargater> hi all[21:18:24] <kokito> hey stargater[21:21:46] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[21:21:57] *** Guest31218 has quit IRC[21:23:05] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[21:24:40] *** rgb has joined #haiku[21:25:24] <stargater> hehe zeta is ilegal :-)[21:25:42] <BeDave> is it really?[21:26:03] <stargater> i like Access the real word to a true time[21:26:10] <BeDave> so far nothings been stated other than that acces is looking into it :)[21:26:23] <stargater> http://golem.de/0704/51528.html[21:26:34] <BeDave> cant read german[21:26:48] <stargater> mom (sorry)[21:26:51] <DeadYak> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=17623[21:27:12] <stargater> http://www.bitsofnews.com/content/view/5498/44/[21:27:19] <BeDave> reading that story now[21:28:22] <BeDave> heh, looks like bernds in trouble[21:29:31] <BeDave> hope beosmax stays legal[21:33:07] *** Odin-LAP has joined #haiku[21:35:45] <_hugo> beosmax is not legal as far as i understand[21:35:56] <_hugo> being a derivative[21:35:58] <stargater> yeaaarrrr thats so good, i hope he go out ... he have all years lie us[21:36:13] <BeDave> yeah, but i mean that i hope access wont come after it[21:36:18] <stargater> +s[21:36:29] <TTRanger> beosmax never *was* legal[21:36:59] <stargater> i hope access stop bernd for ever[21:37:07] <TTRanger> but not beosmax?[21:37:23] <BeDave> hope it wont come under ire, since its the only version of beos that installs on my slaptop[21:37:30] <BeDave> fire[21:39:28] <petterhj> BeDave: I don't think you need to worry about that. The patches that maxes uses are, and will still be available.[21:39:44] <BeDave> goodie :)[21:42:04] <kokito> petterhj: never had a chance to tell you how much I like your new website ;)[21:42:32] <petterhj> kokito: hug-nordic.org i guess? thanks :)[21:42:49] <kokito> petterhj: yes[21:42:53] <CIA-17> hugosantos * r20564 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/network/stack/kernel_stack.cpp: copy back msg_flags after recvmsg() (we don't really use it yet though)[21:43:17] <CIA-17> hugosantos * r20565 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/stack/net_socket.cpp: net_socket: make recvfrom() use recvmsg() and sendto() use sendmsg() for code reusal[21:43:25] <kokito> petterhj: driven by PHJCMS, right? :)[21:44:25] <kokito> petterhj: how easy is it to add content (text and graphics)?[21:44:30] <petterhj> hehe, yea. Haven't finished everything yet, but it works for our basic needs.[21:45:32] <petterhj> well, you add new pages in the admin area. its probably not as userfriendly as most of the content managers yet, but it'll probably change..[21:49:56] <silverpower> anyone have an *original* i810 and been able to get it going with R5.0.3+BONE?[21:51:00] <silverpower> R5.0.3 seems to work, but when I add BONE so I can do useful things, the monitor seems to freak a bit.[21:51:31] *** rcjsuen_ has joined #haiku[21:52:06] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[21:52:18] <DeadYak> BeDave: "slaptop"? :)[21:53:33] *** Ketsuban has joined #haiku[21:54:54] <BeDave> DeadYak: Yup, got the name after i fixed a glitch on it by giving it a nice slap :)[21:55:23] <DeadYak> ah[21:55:27] <DeadYak> I figured it'd be something like that :)[21:56:22] <BeDave> btw, is it berlios server thats slow or am i having problems on this machine?[21:57:04] <BeDave> im on a 100mbit connection and i would imagine that checking out the source would go faster than this[22:00:53] <DeadYak> berlios is often quite slow :)[22:01:08] <BeDave> annoying :)[22:01:17] *** shevy has joined #haiku[22:01:24] <kokito> DeadYak: when are you going to update Vision? :P[22:02:05] <DeadYak> kokito: update how?[22:02:43] * kokito is just teasing DeadYak[22:03:25] *** arikato has quit IRC[22:03:45] <DeadYak> I don't remember the last time I did any code outside of work[22:04:10] *** arikato has joined #haiku[22:04:22] *** miqlas has joined #haiku[22:04:24] <miqlas> re[22:06:46] <stargater> hi miqlas[22:06:56] <miqlas> Hello Stargater![22:07:42] <stargater> miqlas: do you read Access fight Bernd zeta , zeta is illigal[22:07:57] <miqlas> I dont know.[22:07:57] <stargater> osnews[22:08:16] <miqlas> I read the article. But this is Haiku chanel.[22:08:35] <miqlas> I dont talk here about Zeta.[22:08:38] *** arikato has quit IRC[22:08:56] <stargater> ohha why not we are all here like beos[22:09:24] *** arikato has joined #haiku[22:09:54] <stargater> and bernd talks over haiku to give source code , and bernd says he collaborate with haiku and write in haiku ML[22:10:15] <stargater> why not talk over the situation now here ;-)[22:11:10] <miqlas> Stargater, i dont like Zeta.[22:11:16] <Leszek> hehe[22:11:36] <Leszek> stargater just wants to play a little bit Bernd flaming :D[22:11:42] <Leszek> or Bernd bowling :D[22:11:50] <Ketsuban> I don't like Zeta either, but I like source code, and if Bernd has the legal clout to offer Haiku any BeOS source code then that can only be a good thing.[22:12:53] <miqlas> Bernd have the source legaly?[22:13:36] <stargater> Bernd stollen the code :-)[22:13:39] <Leszek> I don't know[22:13:40] <stargater> thats is fact[22:13:49] <Leszek> it seems so stargater[22:14:06] <stargater> miqlas: ask Alan Westbroke and his wife :-)[22:14:14] <stargater> ask ithamar[22:14:21] <stargater> and co[22:14:42] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[22:14:42] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[22:14:46] <stargater> kokito: hi you are around ? you are work for yT too = ? ;-)[22:14:47] <Leszek> miqlas but some zeta apps or zeta only sources are really interesting also for haiku i thin[22:14:48] <Leszek> k[22:15:02] <miqlas> Leszek, i know.[22:15:07] <mmu_man> re[22:15:12] <Leszek> :)[22:15:26] <stargater> Leszek: bad , mediafire is defently bull shit and i hope its came nothink in haiku[22:15:33] <stargater> zeta is absolutly bad[22:15:39] <stargater> 1000%[22:15:49] <miqlas> I thinking. Maybe i put the sources in Bernd's Hand. I found the source on the net, and i talked about this with Bernd.... And i get the link to he.[22:15:58] <Leszek> stargater but the cdrecord underneath it is intersting i think[22:16:27] <Leszek> and the ported vcd and dvd burning apps too[22:16:49] <BeDave> looks like access is open source friendly anyways :)[22:16:57] *** arikato has quit IRC[22:17:03] <miqlas> Leszek, SATA drivers?[22:17:05] <Leszek> mf is not completed and bernd knows it because I reported at last 20 bugs in it that are really big bugs[22:17:20] <BeDave> it could be nice if they opened up the beos source-tree[22:17:23] <mmu_man> please no ZETA-related FUD here[22:17:27] <stargater> BeDave: Access is so cool :-)[22:17:32] <miqlas> Leszek whats this "mf"?[22:17:33] <Leszek> miqlas SATA would be interesting[22:17:38] <BeDave> stargater: indeed :)[22:17:41] <Leszek> miqlas MediaFire[22:17:47] *** arikato has joined #haiku[22:17:50] <miqlas> Ah![22:17:53] <Leszek> mmu_man sry for that :D[22:18:21] <stargater> mmu_man: we talk not flame[22:18:34] <_hugo> stargater: you are senseless bashing, please stop[22:18:37] <mmu_man> then please talk about things you have proofs of :)[22:18:46] <Leszek> :)[22:18:51] <stargater> mmu_man: do you read what access says to zeta and bernd :-)[22:19:02] <mmu_man> like about earth being spherical or not...[22:19:24] <mmu_man> stargater yes, and I know the other side of the story, so.[22:19:27] <mmu_man> But it's not the place.[22:19:27] <BeDave> if, for some reason, access opene up the source. could it be used by haiku for anything other than reference material and inspiration?[22:19:43] *** arikato has quit IRC[22:19:50] <mmu_man> BeDave ACCESS cannot open BeOs sources rigth away even if they wanted to[22:19:59] <_hugo> is this 2002 all over again? forget about the source[22:20:01] <stargater> mmu_man: i understand you why you like benrd :( you are a good man , i hope you eyes gets open ...[22:20:04] <stargater> bbl[22:20:09] <mmu_man> it contains lots of other licenced stuff that they cannot open because they don't own it[22:20:34] <mmu_man> like the indeo codec for example[22:20:40] <miqlas> my developer friend visit the laked code, and he says: "This is not the full code. This is unusable."[22:21:26] <kokito> stargater: I did some contract work for yT in 2005; was never an employee though.[22:21:33] <mmu_man> believe me Haiku doesn't miss that much anyway and what is done is probably done better (=more rebust by 2007 standards, like not crashing with cpu >2GHz or >1GB of RAM)[22:21:54] <mmu_man> So, end of story.[22:22:18] <mmu_man> Do'nt try to hide the fact that you are too lazy to contribute behind Access possibly openning BeOS :DDD[22:22:23] <BeDave> yeah, im just curious really. been in love with beos for 10 years :)[22:22:44] <Leszek> :)[22:23:13] <BeDave> id love to contribute to haiku but my c++ fu no good :P[22:23:25] <mmu_man> I've been into it, some interesting tricks, but that's about it. :)[22:23:28] <Leszek> mine too BeDave[22:23:41] *** arikato has joined #haiku[22:23:44] <mmu_man> you can try graphics (missing icons)[22:23:48] <Leszek> so i will start to make some of my "famous" Videotutorials :D[22:23:59] <mmu_man> bug hunting[22:24:00] <BeDave> ive been thinking of doing some translations[22:24:03] <mmu_man> lots of things to do still[22:24:22] <mmu_man> yes you can do that, won't be usable till past R1 though[22:24:22] <Leszek> mmu_man and a little bit of promotion :D[22:25:00] <miqlas> I know in c only this: #include <stdio.h> void main (void){printf("I love miqlas!");}[22:25:14] <Leszek> hehe :D[22:25:27] <Leszek> the hello world programm, I can remember that too[22:26:14] <kynes> does haiku have a web browser ?[22:26:25] <kynes> I used the VMWare version[22:26:33] <kynes> and couldn't see such a thing[22:26:40] <miqlas> You can use Firefox.[22:26:48] <Leszek> kynes you can user good old net+ too :D[22:26:50] <miqlas> Or FlyingTroll[22:27:04] <kynes> :) okay[22:27:09] <BeDave> binary compatability ftw :P[22:27:20] <petterhj> FlyingTroll is NetPositive, isn't it?[22:27:31] <silverpower> Do I need BONE to set up cross-compilation? bone7a snaps my i810-based setup in half.[22:27:39] <kynes> just couldn't see in "apps" and I suspected firefox may not work[22:28:08] <Leszek> kynes ff works and net+ works very fine[22:32:13] *** shackan has joined #haiku[22:33:32] <mmu_man> miqlas: that's wrong, main() returns an int :p[22:34:19] <Leszek> hehe :D[22:34:22] <Leszek> xD[22:34:29] <Leszek> thats right[22:34:56] *** rcjsuen_ has quit IRC[22:36:52] <Leszek> btw. is there any help or tutorial on icon-o-matic ? I want to make an videotutorial on it[22:37:31] <BeDave> has any work on sata been done in haiku at all?[22:38:38] <[Beta]> kokito (or another Haiku dev..), ACCESS gave Haiku the BeBook under CC by-nc-nd ?[22:39:08] <geist> BeDave: yes[22:39:18] <geist> in that SATA isn't really any different from PATA from the driver point of view[22:39:22] <geist> except for newer SATA only chipsets[22:39:35] <BeDave> ah, thanks[22:39:39] *** Euver has quit IRC[22:40:00] <BeDave> was looking around haikus build factory and didnt see anything[22:54:50] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[22:56:25] *** scanty has joined #haiku[22:57:13] <CIA-17> korli * r20566 /haiku/trunk/src/system/libroot/posix/glibc/libio/flockfile.c: added the usual weak symbols to fix bug #1134[22:58:34] *** StylusEater_Work has left #haiku[23:00:58] <mmu_man> http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=17626 yeah I want that to run Haiku =))[23:03:09] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[23:05:55] *** b3w_ has joined #haiku[23:06:11] *** b3w has quit IRC[23:06:35] *** b3w_ has quit IRC[23:08:10] *** ekdahl has left #haiku[23:12:23] *** eNGIMa has quit IRC[23:13:06] *** petterhj has quit IRC[23:13:08] *** petterhj- has joined #haiku[23:17:08] <mmu_man> *nostalgia* http://web.archive.org/web/20050504181335/http://www-usr.inf.ufsm.br/~junior/pso/beos2.jpg[23:19:28] *** genkie has quit IRC[23:19:38] <[Beta]> whats the blobby application in the middle, attraction ?[23:20:28] *** scanty has quit IRC[23:23:01] <CIA-17> hugosantos * r20567 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/network/protocols/tcp/TCPEndpoint.cpp: fix locking in TCP's ReadData()[23:24:12] *** snipe714 has joined #haiku[23:25:37] *** shackan_ has joined #haiku[23:26:41] *** emitrax__ has quit IRC[23:26:41] *** rgb has quit IRC[23:26:43] *** schade has joined #haiku[23:27:42] *** shackan_ has quit IRC[23:28:20] *** shackan__ has joined #haiku[23:31:20] *** schade has left #haiku[23:33:15] *** shackan has quit IRC[23:40:08] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[23:42:20] *** palas has joined #haiku[23:42:28] <palas> hello[23:42:46] <palas> I had beos perfectly working and somehow now it can't detect partitions in my hard disks (neither boot of course)[23:42:54] <palas> any idea of why this happens[23:43:05] <palas> please[23:45:23] <geist> oh that's lame[23:45:31] <geist> guess you trashed your drive[23:45:37] *** shevy has left #haiku[23:45:43] <palas> trashed?[23:46:55] *** Nies_ has quit IRC[23:47:39] <palas> the drive is ok, it works with linux an with windows[23:47:39] *** Nies_ has joined #haiku[23:47:45] <palas> and it worked with beos[23:47:59] <palas> but now beos doesn't like it[23:49:50] *** kynes has quit IRC[23:52:54] <palas> :([23:55:47] *** DaaT has quit IRC[23:58:24] *** Sloar has quit IRC[23:58:41] <DeadYak> http://www.ozoux.com/eclectic/archive/2007/04/02/monster-smart-car - bwahahaha[23:59:05] <DeadYak> maybe something weird in the partition table?[23:59:41] *** TimGroe2 has joined #haiku[23:59:53] <TimGroe2> Hiya all :)