April 2, 2007 
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April 2, 2007 [00:00:21] <_hugo> dr_evil: around?[00:05:43] <CIA-17> hugosantos * r20505 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/net/DHCPClient.cpp: DHCP: explicitly request the gateway address and domain name servers to the DHCP server. This fixes an issue some people reported regarding obtaining such information.[00:05:50] *** ablyss has quit IRC[00:10:01] <_hugo> if anyone has any particular issue with the network stack, please let me know[00:14:46] <Ingenu> night[00:15:28] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[00:16:39] *** wildur has quit IRC[00:16:54] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[00:22:39] *** keller- has quit IRC[00:23:02] *** keller- has joined #haiku[00:25:29] *** petterhj- has joined #haiku[00:33:07] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[00:33:57] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[00:35:22] *** snipe714 has joined #haiku[00:43:14] *** petterhj has quit IRC[00:47:24] <umccullough> _hugo, yes, back[00:47:38] <umccullough> OOH! let me get and try![00:47:39] <_hugo> umccullough: could you update and re-try the latest source please? :-)[00:47:44] <umccullough> yeppers![00:47:45] <umccullough> asap![00:50:10] *** dtravis7 has left #haiku[00:50:43] <_hugo> umccullough: if it still doesn't work for you, please do a new capture with the new code[00:50:54] <umccullough> okydoke, will do![00:55:12] *** pikapika has quit IRC[00:56:11] *** MikeW has quit IRC[00:59:18] <umccullough> wow, 20 recommendations on the latest Haiku article on osnews..that's pretty good![00:59:33] <umccullough> lots and lots of haiku supporters out there ;)[01:00:52] <_hugo> :-)[01:01:11] <umccullough> jamming now, btw[01:01:20] <_hugo> k, let me know[01:01:44] <umccullough> should be quick this time with so few changes[01:10:18] <umccullough> progress... it got the nameservers![01:10:23] <umccullough> but still no route for the gateway[01:10:27] <_hugo> no?[01:10:29] <_hugo> hmm[01:10:37] <_hugo> could you do a new capture please?[01:10:38] <umccullough> i'll do another capture[01:10:40] <_hugo> thanks[01:10:41] <umccullough> yup ;)[01:14:05] <umccullough> i'm gonna zip it this time[01:14:38] <_hugo> umccullough: it would also be very helpful if you were able to provide me with a sucessful run, from instance from your windows host obtaining an address. because as much as i can see from my side all of the info is now being requested. but i'll double check the capture file[01:14:40] <umccullough> oh wait... the capture is a LOT smaller this time...[01:14:53] <umccullough> true, i was thinking about that also[01:15:04] <umccullough> i can do an ipconfig /renew from windows i suppose[01:15:13] <umccullough> i'll make a separate capture for that[01:15:16] <_hugo> thanks[01:16:42] <umccullough> ugh... might lose my IRC connection when i do this...[01:17:15] <_hugo> umccullough: it's for a good cause 0:-)[01:17:42] <umccullough> hmm, only got 2 frames...should i release and renew?[01:17:51] <_hugo> umccullough: was it a Request and a ACK?[01:18:01] <umccullough> yeah[01:18:04] <umccullough> that's enough then?[01:18:05] <_hugo> should be enough[01:18:08] <umccullough> cool[01:19:29] *** genkie has quit IRC[01:19:44] <umccullough> sent[01:19:51] <_hugo> thanks, i'm going to check it out[01:19:53] <umccullough> didn't bother zipping, these ended up being quite a bit smaller[01:19:59] *** aldeck has quit IRC[01:20:41] <umccullough> bbib, gotta take care of some RL issues[01:20:48] <_hugo> k, thanks again[01:22:27] <_hugo> umccullough: how are you checking whether you have a default route installed or not?[01:22:58] *** oco has quit IRC[01:23:21] *** keller- has quit IRC[01:23:33] <_hugo> all of the required data is being sent now, so a default route should be installed[01:23:42] *** keller- has joined #haiku[01:25:03] *** TLF has quit IRC[01:26:38] <umccullough> _hugo, i was just running route...[01:26:43] <umccullough> but let me check, maybe you're right[01:26:44] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[01:26:57] <_hugo> umccullough: run route after you checked you have an ip address with ifconfig[01:26:59] <umccullough> i can't ping out...[01:27:06] <umccullough> yes, i did[01:27:06] <_hugo> hm[01:27:15] <_hugo> ok then[01:27:31] <_hugo> so that particular problem is elsewhere, i'll check it out[01:27:47] <umccullough> yeah, if i add the default gw manuall with route add, it works[01:28:29] <umccullough> note, i'm using irpo1000 driver instead of vlance[01:28:32] <umccullough> let me try vlance[01:28:47] <_hugo> that shouldn't be it[01:29:12] <umccullough> i hope not, unless ipro1000 is screwing up the response packet :P[01:29:37] <_hugo> it works fine here so i'm guessing it doesn't :-)[01:30:42] <umccullough> maybe something dumb because my gateway is .254?[01:31:20] <_hugo> the only thing different i see is that sometimes the gateway address is in the Offer (when it is requested), other times it isn't[01:32:14] <_hugo> ah[01:32:33] <_hugo> i see the problem, the haiku dhcp client only installs the default gateway on offer, not on ack[01:32:39] <_hugo> i'll fix this[01:33:22] <umccullough> in the meantime, vmware player has hung here...[01:33:33] <_hugo> that's not good[01:33:42] <umccullough> guess it's bad to change the ethernet emulation type and then resume a vm ;)[01:34:03] <umccullough> crap, hung windows explorer too[01:34:19] <_hugo> eheh[01:34:38] <umccullough> ok, definitely time for a reboot now ;)[01:34:47] <_hugo> i should have a new version for you to test in 5 mins or so[01:34:52] <umccullough> firefox is hung[01:34:55] <_hugo> so feel free to reboot, eheh[01:35:12] <umccullough> the only thing working is HydraIRC![01:35:14] *** NeonLicht has quit IRC[01:35:24] <umccullough> ok, bbib[01:35:30] *** NeonLicht has joined #haiku[01:35:32] *** umccullough has quit IRC[01:40:06] *** umccullough has joined #haiku[01:40:17] <umccullough> note to self: vmware can screw up windows REALLY BAD[01:40:49] <_hugo> ouch :-) (a couple more mins)[01:41:29] <umccullough> eventually task manager froze even - i had to use the reset button[01:46:31] <CIA-17> hugosantos * r20506 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/net/DHCPClient.cpp: DHCP: since we are only installing routes while handling an OFFER, request gateway in DISCOVER. Fixes an issue where the gateway address is not configured.[01:46:53] <_hugo> umccullough: now it should always work :-)[01:47:04] <umccullough> ok, will get now[02:05:27] *** wildur has quit IRC[02:07:04] <umccullough> interesting, that one file change causes 1200 targets to update[02:07:25] <_hugo> :-)[02:10:11] <_hugo> that doesn't sound too nice though. the build is a bit monolithical right now[02:10:16] <_hugo> build system that is[02:10:35] <geist> it'snot so bad if you build on linux :)[02:11:11] <_hugo> even on linux it throws too much cruft on the output, so it's hard to actually go and pin point the compiler outputs[02:11:30] <geist> yeah[02:11:38] <geist> I usually build with jam -q, so it'll fail on the first error[02:11:46] <geist> why jam defaults to the other way I dunno[02:12:24] <_hugo> why, i use it too. but look:[02:12:27] <_hugo> AddSymlinkToHaikuImageCopyFilesScript <HaikuImage>beos/system/lib/libnetapi.so[02:12:27] <_hugo> AddSymlinkToHaikuImageCopyFilesScript <HaikuImage>beos/system/lib/libbnetapi.so[02:12:27] <_hugo> C++ /home/hugo/build/haiku-gcc2.95/objects/haiku/x86/release/servers/net/DHCPClient.o[02:12:27] <_hugo> Link /home/hugo/build/haiku-gcc2.95/objects/haiku/x86/release/servers/net/net_server[02:12:27] <_hugo> XRes1 /home/hugo/build/haiku-gcc2.95/objects/haiku/x86/release/servers/net/net_server[02:12:52] <_hugo> the problem is that to build the image, it goes and builds each individual target, which is fine[02:13:05] <umccullough> i think you can hide a lot of that output if you want to[02:13:06] <_hugo> but is doing all this image-related stuff immediatly[02:13:12] <_hugo> which hurts the output[02:13:27] <_hugo> it should build everything first, and then move to the symlinks, copies, etc[02:13:44] <umccullough> yeah, some of that *is* annoying to watch :P[02:13:59] <umccullough> the problem is - it's building a "copy-files" script that whole time...[02:14:11] <umccullough> which it then uses at the end[02:14:14] <_hugo> considering i'm only interesting in that "C++ ..." line there, which gets in the middle of hundreds of "AddSymlink..." its not good at all :-)[02:14:45] <_hugo> yeah, thats another problem, rebuilding the whole image each time[02:15:42] <umccullough> you can build just the target you want and then copy it to the 'image'[02:15:57] <umccullough> jam -q net_server would have been sufficient[02:16:02] <_hugo> that should be automatic IMO. at least have a devel target for that[02:16:22] <umccullough> Ingo recently changed the default target to be haiku-image[02:16:32] <_hugo> i'm looking into the details of jam, to see if i can at least quiet down the spurious AddSymlink.. messages[02:16:33] *** shackan has quit IRC[02:17:33] <_hugo> anyway, it's a nice build system :-) just a bit verbose[02:17:43] *** Fuuma has joined #haiku[02:18:33] *** Fuuma is now known as |100C|[02:23:13] *** Pembros has quit IRC[02:24:05] *** keller- has quit IRC[02:24:45] *** snipe714 has quit IRC[02:24:50] *** keller- has joined #haiku[02:30:25] <_hugo> umccullough: did you manage to test the last version?[02:33:19] <umccullough> _hugo, was eating - copying it to my test box now[02:33:26] <_hugo> oh sorry :-)[02:33:32] <umccullough> no problem :)[02:36:05] <umccullough> MAGNIFICENT![02:36:12] * umccullough awkwardly hugs _hugo[02:36:27] <_hugo> good, one less bug then :-)[02:36:32] <umccullough> i might add that it seems to get the response a lot faster now[02:36:45] <umccullough> before it would "hang" when i ran ifconfig immediately, now it's almost instant[02:37:04] <_hugo> well, that isn't from any change i made[02:37:09] <_hugo> there are some issues with the locking as it is[02:37:10] * umccullough goes to run firefox for the heck of it[02:37:31] <_hugo> sometimes it hangs a bit during the init, other times it doesn't[02:37:44] <umccullough> ok, so i just have just gotten lucky that time[02:37:49] <_hugo> but i'm still getting up to pace with the code[02:37:59] <_hugo> hopefully that 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IRC[06:36:56] *** dtravis7_ has left #haiku[06:40:10] *** Sloar has joined #haiku[06:43:18] *** kr1stof_ has left #haiku[06:48:05] *** kokito has joined #haiku[06:50:38] *** Sloar has quit IRC[06:58:35] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[07:06:13] *** kb7sqi has joined #haiku[07:10:57] <umccullough> wow yeah... haiku netstack drops ICMP packets pretty bad :([07:11:46] <geist> poopy stack[07:12:59] <umccullough> that probably explains why net+ or firefox start browsing to a site and then just seem to forget what they were doing[07:13:40] *** mats| has quit IRC[07:16:56] *** stargater has quit IRC[07:20:53] *** Stargater has joined #haiku[07:20:54] <Stargater> moin[07:21:46] <Stargater> http://tm.kaldience.com/dir/members/stargater/bilder/BeMobile_v0.6.png[07:26:39] <absabs> geist:I have asked the 4-clause BSD license question in maillist but there is no response[07:26:48] <absabs> :([07:26:55] <geist> yeah, i was a little surprised about that[07:28:24] <absabs> perhaps my broken English[07:29:18] <absabs> didn't express clearly[07:29:37] <absabs> :([07:31:24] <Stargater> absabs sometime it is good to wait , when no response came, mail again.[07:32:19] <Stargater> but is the license a problem for your development ?[07:32:55] <Stargater> in haiku is BSD/MIT , BSD have this to and somethinks in haiku are GPL (v2)[07:33:27] <geist> well, the trouble is the FAQ on haiku clearly states that 4 clause BSD is not acceptable[07:33:34] <geist> and well, most of the *BSD source is 4 clause[07:33:43] <geist> therefore you can't port code from freebsd or whatnot directly[07:34:38] <absabs> nice Stargater and geist: But haiku's some code is ported from NetBSD[07:34:59] <geist> right, which is why I said bring it up on the mailing list[07:35:14] <geist> because I am personally not in a position to tell you what you can and can't do[07:35:26] <absabs> such as src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/network/pegasus/if_aue.c[07:35:35] <absabs> en[07:36:23] <Stargater> pegasus ?[07:36:30] <absabs> yes[07:36:50] <absabs> src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/audio/emuxki/emuxki.c[07:37:03] <absabs> also ported from NetBSD[07:38:12] <Stargater> absabs the best way is not a quik port, i think by the 4 clause license is a re development nice, also you can look in the bsd 4 clause code and learn from this code, then write youre code[07:38:49] <absabs> but but[07:39:36] <absabs> In My GSOC 2007 Haiku's proposal, I planed to port[07:41:15] <absabs> can not reapply now[07:42:27] <absabs> The FireWire stack project's idea say Porting from bsd is a candidate[07:43:19] <umccullough> absabs, drivers may be considered an exception...[07:43:29] <umccullough> but a FW stack on the other hand...[07:45:18] <umccullough> i've noticed there hasn't been a lot of "official statements" on the mailing list latey.. the whole Pingwinek "distro" incident never came up again for example[07:49:14] <umccullough> geist, after 2400 pings got 56% packet loss[07:51:03] <geist> lame[07:51:09] <umccullough> that's from haiku as vmware guest to windows as vmware host[07:51:16] <geist> though spome of that could be driver stuff[07:51:21] <geist> which is hard to change on vmware :)[07:51:22] <umccullough> vlance driver...[07:51:35] <umccullough> i can try the ipro1000 again[07:52:11] <umccullough> granted i was sending pings back to haiku from windows at the same time...[07:52:19] <umccullough> so i'm probably hitting some locking problems[07:52:37] <umccullough> only 40% packet loss in the opposite direction[07:54:26] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[07:54:58] <umccullough> ooh...looks better with ipro1000[07:55:06] <umccullough> latency is a lot lower also[07:55:29] <umccullough> ok, so the vlance driver in haiku repo sucks i guess[07:57:24] <umccullough> ah yes, actually can browse with net+ again[07:59:10] *** Stargater has quit IRC[08:01:50] *** absabs has quit IRC[08:07:24] <umccullough> 0% packet loss :)[08:08:26] <umccullough> time for bed[08:08:27] *** umccullough has left #haiku[08:08:35] *** kb7sqi has quit IRC[08:09:35] *** kb7sqi has joined #haiku[08:12:23] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[08:12:24] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[08:30:37] *** stargater has joined #haiku[08:30:40] <stargater> re[08:31:06] <stargater> hehe Deskbar have a CalendarView , nice[08:50:09] *** Luposian has joined #haiku[08:50:49] <Luposian> My ears were burning... was someone talking about me here?[08:52:51] <Luposian> Hmmm... sure is quiet. Don't everyone start talking at once. :-)[08:55:23] <Luposian> Oh, well... must've been my imagination...[08:55:34] *** Luposian has quit IRC[09:05:52] * geist double takes[09:06:08] <kokito> howdy[09:07:15] <kokito> what's new in the Haiku world these days?[09:08:23] <mmu_man> ACCESS bought us and we'll be in running the GooglePhone :)[09:08:28] <mmu_man> oops, that was yesterday =)[09:08:39] <kokito> LOL[09:12:02] <kokito> mmu_man: you would be surprised what people are saying about Haiku; after the tech talk at google, I have seen many posts on spanish tech forums from people saying that google was sponsoring Haiku to create the googleOS :P[09:12:26] <mmu_man> eh[09:13:14] <kokito> misinformation can spread like fire these days[09:14:25] <mmu_man> yep[09:18:27] <stargater> heya kokito[09:18:39] <kokito> howdy stargater[09:20:46] <stargater> kokito: stipi have make some new icons[09:21:17] <stargater> kokito: can see it here http://tm.kaldience.com/data/php/dir.php?dir=/dir/members/stargater/bilder/haiku_shots/haiku_new_icons[09:21:19] *** rhu has quit IRC[09:21:58] <geist> http://www.josephpalmer.com/cgi-local/View_Permalink.cgi?entry=2007/4/01/08:54:28:00[09:21:59] <kokito> stargater: saw the new icons from stippi :)[09:22:18] <kokito> cool![09:22:28] <mmu_man> ROTFL[09:22:31] <mmu_man> I want one ![09:23:02] <kokito> running BeOS 7.0? :P[09:23:29] <stargater> ok :-)[09:23:44] <mmu_man> that'd be Zeta 1.2[09:23:45] *** slaine_ has joined #haiku[09:23:59] <kokito> stargater: have you seen the new media player icons? what is that supposed to be?[09:24:34] <stargater> the new mediaplayer icon is cool, but someone say not a true for mediaplayer[09:24:53] <geist> for those that dont know, joe palmer designed the original bebox[09:24:55] <mmu_man> kokito pop corn[09:25:04] <stargater> i like a dacing people[09:25:13] <geist> he's a really cool guy. worked with him at danger too[09:25:14] <mmu_man> that goes well along with films usually =)[09:26:01] <kokito> mmu_man: a very american notion I guess[09:26:08] <stargater> but mediaplayer can do all media = listen music, watch video ...[09:26:18] <mmu_man> kokito it's quite traditional in france too[09:26:37] <kokito> stargater: you are supposed to eat popcorn when you listen to the radio too :P[09:26:49] <stargater> video = popcorn ok, musik not realy[09:26:53] <stargater> kokito: no[09:27:09] <stargater> i listen music, then i mast dancing :-)[09:27:13] <kokito> mmu_man: not in my country; you are actually not allowed to eat inside theaters.[09:27:23] <kokito> stargater: I know; I was teasing you. :P[09:28:25][09:28:58] <mmu_man> I suppose it's one more bad american-imported habit[09:29:14] <kokito> LOL[09:30:39] <stargater> kokito: Tango used this for media application icon = http://tango.freedesktop.org/static/cvs/tango-icon-theme/scalable/devices/multimedia-player.svg[09:30:56] <stargater> but is this for watch a film ?[09:31:08] <mmu_man> stargater linux isn't always a reference[09:31:23] <mmu_man> red & green glasses ?[09:31:37] <stargater> mmu_man: tango is not a kernel , syllable used tango icons too[09:33:18] <stargater> kokito: mmu_man i think the best symbolik is a = eyes and ears[09:33:36] *** steffen_f has joined #haiku[09:35:10] <mmu_man> ok breakfast[09:36:41] <kokito> enjoy mmu_man[09:37:50] *** petterhj- has quit IRC[09:39:14] <stargater> kokito: like you this ? http://masuseki.com/image/ponkan/mediaplayer_64.png[09:39:48] <kokito> not so sure I like that one stargater[09:41:42] <mmu_man> the old WiMP used a clap with "321" on it[09:42:28] <mmu_man> the new one just a right-pointing arrow with colors around...[09:43:15] <mmu_man> zeta uses a film strip[09:46:09] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[09:50:21] <stargater> a TV + a box[09:50:34] <stargater> the old BeOS icon[09:51:39] <stargater> for haiku a portable player = http://www.lenco.de/bestanden/pjot6UtK[09:55:10] <mmu_man> hmm maybe with headphones it would look more meanful[09:55:13] <mmu_man> meaningful[09:55:32] <stargater> http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/10/0,1425,i=105485,00.jpg[09:55:50] <mmu_man> yeah something like that[09:56:08] <mmu_man> hmm how can I open icons from teh tree in Icon-O-Matic...[09:56:35] <stargater> ka[09:56:56] <stargater> i have big problems, to do make anythinks in icon o matics[09:57:17] <stargater> i like this http://masuseki.com/image/ponkan/mediaplayer_64.png + headphones[09:57:54] <kokito> hmmm... good old memories... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Apple_Lisa.jpg[09:58:29] <mmu_man> eh[09:58:57] <stargater> oh what a hardware[09:59:31] <kokito> mmu_man: was working for a Japanese company that did the Japanese manuals for Apple, so had a chance to see it before it was released.[10:00:50] <mmu_man> eh[10:01:14] <mmu_man> is that a hard disk on top ?[10:01:47] <stargater> mmu_man: a 100 mb harddrive[10:01:52] <stargater> :-)[10:02:01] <kokito> mmu_man: not sure[10:02:04] <stargater> orea usb stick[10:03:15] <kokito> stargater: it would not have been eve close to 100MB; in those days, a 10MB would have been a lot. :)[10:03:33] <mmu_man> yes I have 2 10MB hdds around[10:03:41] <mmu_man> ST506 bus, not even IDE[10:04:40] <kokito> the Lisa's GUI looked awfully similar to the XEROX machines[10:05:26] <mmu_man> of course, ppl from Apple visited the Parc before[10:05:34] <mmu_man> maybe even Jobs himself[10:05:41] <kokito> mmu_man: yeah, the photo captions says that the unit on top is a HDD[10:06:02] *** Karina`` has joined #haiku[10:06:28] <kokito> back in those days, many companies used the XEROX machines to produce product manuals.[10:07:20] <NeonLicht> the first Apple Lisa had an external 5MB HDD, acording to http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Lisa[10:08:01] <kokito> here: the best DTP system that you could buy back in those days > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Xerox_star_desktop.jpg[10:09:30] <raph_ael> hello[10:09:38] <kokito> hi raph_ael[10:10:01] <raph_ael> hello kokito[10:10:01] <kokito> hola NeonLicht[10:10:26] <kokito> and then there was also GEM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Xerox_star_desktop.jpg[10:10:56] <NeonLicht> hola kokito[10:11:07] <kokito> como va colega?[10:11:25] <NeonLicht> and what about W or mgr? did any of you tried them?[10:12:09] <kokito> W? mgr? not a clue...[10:12:27] <kokito> what are they NeonLicht?[10:14:55] <NeonLicht> graphical systems for Unix, kokito[10:15:08] <NeonLicht> both of them are B&W[10:15:30] <kokito> ah! never familiarized myself with UNIX[10:16:12] <NeonLicht> I am interested on them because I have a B&W X terminal and a B&W 12" monitor I'd like to run on a NetBSD 386 box, and so I need real light graphics :)[10:17:03] *** wkornewald has joined #haiku[10:17:19] <kokito> wkornewald!![10:17:42] <wkornewald> hi kokito!!! :))[10:17:58] <wkornewald> how are you doing, alone without Haiku? :)[10:18:08] <Ingenu> too much happiness around here[10:18:15] <wkornewald> hehe[10:18:42] <kokito> wkornewald: doing ok. :)[10:18:50] <wkornewald> kokito: didn't you want to send me something? ;)[10:19:31] <kokito> wkornewald: yeah, but I have it on my other computer. I have to look for the files; when I find them, I will zip and email them to you.[10:19:42] <wkornewald> ok. thanks[10:20:22] <wkornewald> does anyone know JavaScript? :)[10:20:35] * mmu_man runs away[10:20:50] <wkornewald> hi mmu_man :)[10:20:57] <kokito> wkornewald: what's the deal with the BSD license question from the student that wants to code the firewire code?[10:21:27] <wkornewald> I don't know. I thought BSD == always compatible...[10:21:33] <mmu_man> wkornewald do you know if I can open stuff from rdef in Icon-O-Matic ?[10:21:56] <wkornewald> mmu_man: I've never tried it[10:22:33] <wkornewald> I don't understand this JavaScript code we use in Trac... [Beta], I need your help! :)[10:26:28] <wkornewald> stupid license stuff, so is it OK to use the BSD 4-clause license for drivers?[10:26:31] <kokito> wkornewald: the guy has been asking on IRC whether the BSD license is a show-stopper; maybe the admins can reply to him on the Haiku list?[10:30:31] <wkornewald> ok, sent a reply[10:30:39] <Ingenu> aren't freeBSD/netBSD drivers under the BSD licence too ?[10:31:37] <wkornewald> there is an older BSD license which is more restrictive[10:33:25] <mmu_man> http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/index_html#ModifiedBSD[10:34:05] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC[10:43:32] <kokito> goodnight folks[10:44:44] <stargater> n8 kokito[10:44:46] <wkornewald> night[10:44:51] *** kokito has quit IRC[10:51:17] <TimGroe2> mmu_man: <3 your latest commits :)[10:59:56] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[10:59:57] *** gravy has quit IRC[11:08:31] <stargater> hi TimGroe2 , whats news from pacman ?[11:09:09] <CIA-17> axeld * r20507 /haiku/trunk/src/ (74 files in 15 dirs):[11:09:09] <CIA-17> * Put the remaining libicon.a classes into the BPrivate::Icon namespace.[11:09:09] <CIA-17> * Minor cleanup (like removing the extra blank line between the copyright and the[11:09:09] <CIA-17> header guard).[11:09:44][11:10:00] <TimGroe2> stargater: almost works![11:10:14] <TimGroe2> sad bit is, that it sometimes just ... stops working[11:10:28] <TimGroe2> and there are no stored file attributes in the packages (yet)[11:10:45] <stargater> ah ok[11:11:19] <TimGroe2> and if you want to add to the "Upgrade Tim's computer fund" just send money to this at email dot com (PayPal prefered)[11:11:57] <stargater> :-) url ?[11:12:25] <TimGroe2> XD[11:13:54] <TimGroe2> I think work still needs to be done on the networking in Haiku :)[11:14:49] <stargater> hmm no[11:15:08] <TimGroe2> stargater: you don't?[11:17:39] <stargater> ahh i missanderstuck[11:18:30] <stargater> yes , sure , the basic in haiku network is finish, but only thinks not stable i listen and any thinks are missing[11:18:45] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[11:19:00] <stargater> but haiku is not in alpha ore beta...[11:19:45] <stargater> bbl[11:22:23] <CIA-17> axeld * r20508 /haiku/trunk/src/servers/net/DHCPClient.cpp:[11:22:23] <CIA-17> Removed duplicated information (the PARAMETER_* constants were already expressed in form[11:22:23] <CIA-17> of the OPTION_* constants).[11:23:21] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[11:33:39] *** wkornewald has quit IRC[11:41:18] *** Fanskapet has joined #haiku[11:49:22] *** aldeck has joined #haiku[12:05:41] *** Odin-LAP has joined #haiku[12:07:20] *** gravy has joined #Haiku[12:29:24] *** Odin-LAP has quit IRC[12:30:07] *** raph_ael has quit IRC[12:42:19] *** raph_ael has joined #haiku[12:45:30] *** tombhadAC has joined #haiku[12:46:28] *** Proctop has joined #haiku[12:54:15] *** mazon is now known as Mazon[12:56:58] *** raph_ael has quit IRC[13:04:25] *** raph_ael has joined #haiku[13:13:04] <CIA-17> axeld * r20509 /haiku/trunk/src/ (2 files in 2 dirs):[13:13:04] <CIA-17> * pages_io() now handles it gracefully in case the fileVec array is too[13:13:04] <CIA-17> small to hold the information for the requested I/O size.[13:13:04] <CIA-17> * get_file_map() returned B_BUFFER_OVERFLOW already in case the array[13:13:04] <CIA-17> was exactly as large as needed.[13:13:05] <CIA-17> * read_chunk_into_cache() and write_chunk_to_cache() will no longer[13:13:07] <CIA-17> override their local "size" variable.[13:18:47] *** jiuda_D`arkness has joined #haiku[13:24:45] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC[13:25:44] <CIA-17> nielx * r20510 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/support/ (BufferIO.cpp DataIO.cpp): Strip API documentation from these files: they are in separate dox files now.[13:26:08] <mmu_man> TTLauncher || TTRanger[13:27:12] <stargater> i need haiku r1 :-)[13:39:14] <CIA-17> nielx * r20511 /haiku/trunk/docs/user/ (6 files in 2 dirs):[13:39:14] <CIA-17> * book.dox Reformat according to the guidelines[13:39:14] <CIA-17> * BufferIO.dox Reformat according to the guidelines[13:39:14] <CIA-17> * DataIO.dox Reformat according to the guidelines[13:39:14] <CIA-17> * Flattenable.dox New documentation.[13:39:15] <CIA-17> * Locker.dox Finished documentation.[13:39:16] <CIA-17> * SupportDefs.dox Reformat according to the guidelines[13:41:36] *** Odin-LAP has joined #haiku[13:50:22] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[13:58:53] <mmu_man> TTRanger wake up! :p[13:59:54] *** TLF has joined #haiku[14:07:13] <CIA-17> mmu_man * r20512 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/ports/usb_serial/driver.c: Remove hardcoded support list as it's dynamically generated from the device list.[14:13:17] <CIA-17> mmu_man * r20513 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/ports/usb_serial/driver.h: Avoid redefining stuff.[14:17:20] <CIA-17> mmu_man * r20514 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/ports/usb_serial/prolific.c: Remove commented out code & warnings.[14:17:53] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[14:18:42] <emitrax> what's the difference between the $HAIKU/headers/build/os and $HAIKU/headers/os ?[14:18:56] <emitrax> what's the build directory for ?[14:19:18] <TTRanger> mmu_man I'm finally awake :-)[14:20:24] <TTRanger> mmu_man Am I having serial for breakfast? :-)[14:21:21] <CIA-17> mmu_man * r20515 /haiku/trunk/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/ports/usb_serial/prolific.c: Fix some warnings.[14:21:44] <mmu_man> emitrax the former is used only for building tools on the host platform[14:22:17] * TTRanger tries to interpret the meaning... :-P :-)[14:23:46] <mmu_man> I only fixed some warnings[14:23:53] <mmu_man> btw, what's the brand of teh motherboard ?[14:24:12] <mmu_man> are you sure you don't actually have a serial port on the board you could just plug on ?[14:24:24] <TTRanger> hehe I have *one* I need *two*[14:24:30] <mmu_man> most have a 2nd one with a header that needs a cable[14:24:41] <TTRanger> Unfortunately this one doesn't.[14:24:59] <TTRanger> That was the first thing I liooked for when this whole thing started. :-)[14:25:03] <mmu_man> hmm lookslike that athlon here[14:25:14] <mmu_man> the only one has a deported connector[14:25:30] <TTRanger> I'll get you the exact mobo ... sec...[14:25:37] <mmu_man> but it does have a useless joystick connector :)[14:26:31] *** bga has joined #haiku[14:26:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o bga[14:26:43] * mmu_man evades teh punk[14:26:46] <TTLauncher> mmu_man I'm over here, checking the computer[14:27:59] <TTLauncher> ASROCK 775 Dual VSTA[14:28:02] <mmu_man> btw, if you can enable syslog and the debug options in ~/config/settings/kernel/drivers/usb_serial[14:28:24] <TTLauncher> Want me to?[14:28:26] <mmu_man> VSTA = ViSTA ready ? *shrug*[14:28:35] <TTLauncher> ?[14:28:56] <mmu_man> nevermind[14:29:08] <mmu_man> yeah you could enable that and see what syslog gives[14:29:15] <TTLauncher> ok[14:29:18] * TTLauncher looks[14:29:56] <mmu_man> http://www.tt-hardware.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=9501 that website doesn't seem to like it :D[14:30:15] <mmu_man> (but who cares about 4x or 8x here)[14:30:56] *** stargater has quit IRC[14:31:03] <TTLauncher> #debut_output true <= That one?[14:31:12] <TTLauncher> #debug_output true <= That one?[14:31:23] <mmu_man> yes[14:31:33] <mmu_man> the last 3 ones too[14:31:36] <mmu_man> remove the #[14:32:01] <mmu_man> and syslog_debug_output true in the kernel settings[14:34:23] <TTLauncher> all done[14:34:38] <TTLauncher> Did you send a newer version (than yesterday morning)[14:35:18] <emitrax> mmu_man: ok thanks[14:35:30] <TTLauncher> mmu_man Did you send a newer version (than yesterday morning)[14:38:07] *** Odin-LAP has quit IRC[14:40:46] <TTLauncher> mmu_man plop[14:46:03] <TTLauncher> rebooting...brb[14:46:04] *** TTLauncher has quit IRC[14:49:38] *** TTLauncher has joined #Haiku[14:49:52] <TTLauncher> re[14:58:05] *** jiuda_D`arkness has quit IRC[15:03:36] <mmu_man> re[15:08:07] *** absabs has joined #haiku[15:08:38] <TTRanger> mmu_man What is the most-recent version you sent (what time was it sent?)[15:11:32] *** rcjsuen has 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<TTRanger> Which is the latest ( my ancient question from earlier this morning) ?[15:49:56] <mmu_man> and make sure you (re)move /boot/beos/system/add-ons/kernel/drivers/bin/usb_serial[15:49:58] <TTRanger> I want to make sure I'm testing with the latest one.[15:50:11] <TTRanger> k[15:50:17] <TTRanger> Which is the latest version you sent me?[15:50:25] <mmu_man> the .002[15:50:31] <TTRanger> looking...[15:50:50] <TTRanger> hmm...[15:51:00] <TTRanger> can you resend please?[15:51:38] <TTRanger> tx[15:51:47] <TTRanger> will install, run, test[15:54:29] *** TTLauncher has quit IRC[15:56:05] *** TTLauncher has joined #Haiku[15:56:51] <TTLauncher> mmu_man Apparently the usb_serial device that you suggested I get rid of was the one the system was indeed relying on, because with it gone, usb0 is gone too.[15:59:19] <mmu_man> open a Terminal and type:[15:59:22] <mmu_man> tail -f /var/log/syslog[15:59:28] <mmu_man> open another one:[15:59:31] <mmu_man> rescan usb_serial[15:59:48] <TTLauncher> did both[16:00:26] <mmu_man> do you get anything in syslog ?[16:00:30] <TTLauncher> es sec[16:00:33] <TTLauncher> yes sec[16:00:52] <mmu_man> looks like teh zip doesn't include the needed symlink[16:01:08] <TTLauncher> ah[16:01:37] <TTLauncher> mmu_man please join me in neonplasma for a moment?[16:02:29] <mmu_man> yes that's teh one[16:02:42] <mmu_man> it has the lines I added[16:02:59] <mmu_man> now if you try to SerialConnect ?[16:03:05] <TTLauncher> sec[16:04:21] <TTLauncher> hey![16:04:22] *** guildencrantz has joined #haiku[16:04:29] <TTLauncher> mmu_man I think we have a liftoff![16:05:01] <TTLauncher> doing some more testing...[16:05:06] <mmu_man> it didn't find the new driver because it was missing a symlink in ~/config/add-ons/.../dev/...[16:05:22] <mmu_man> but if you put it to /boot/beos/system/add-ons/kernel/drivers/bin it should work right away[16:05:42] <mmu_man> I'm updating the one in zeta atm[16:05:46] <TTLauncher> It's already working...[16:05:55] <mmu_man> yes but you had to rescan it[16:06:00] <TTLauncher> oic ok[16:06:01] <TTLauncher> sec[16:07:09] <TTLauncher> mmu_man stupid question... where am I copying it *from * again, please?[16:08:51] <mmu_man> from /boot/home/config/add-ons/kernel/drivers/bin[16:09:19] <mmu_man> the config folder in home is quite similar to the system folder in beos/ but is for user addons[16:09:34] <TTLauncher> ic[16:09:41] <TTLauncher> ok, doing a reboot, and then we'll see![16:09:45] <TTLauncher> bbiab[16:09:46] *** TTLauncher has quit IRC[16:10:32] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[16:13:18] *** emitrax_ has joined #haiku[16:15:53] *** TTLauncher has joined #Haiku[16:16:07] <TTLauncher> mmu_man Good news... :-)[16:16:29] <TTLauncher> TuneTracker crashed for some reason, but it did indeed work with the switcher after I relaunched TuneTracker.[16:16:48] <mmu_man> great :)[16:16:55] <TTLauncher> Good work!!![16:17:04] <TTLauncher> This is so great. :-)[16:17:07] <TTLauncher> I'm going to try another reboot and see if TT behaves this time[16:17:10] <TTLauncher> brb[16:17:11] *** TTLauncher has quit IRC[16:18:36] *** rcjsuen has quit IRC[16:18:54] *** MrRagga has joined #haiku[16:19:16] *** TTLauncher has joined #Haiku[16:19:37] <TTLauncher> correction, it wasn't TuneTracker ... it was the deskbar :-/[16:19:50] <TTLauncher> mmu_man what possible connection could there be, I wonder?[16:19:57] <TTLauncher> the deskbar crashes at bootup[16:19:58] <mmu_man> dunno[16:20:04] <TTLauncher> hoo boy[16:20:12] <TTLauncher> out of the frying pan and into the fire :-)[16:20:25] <TTLauncher> does it happen for you if you reboot?[16:20:37] <TTLauncher> trying one more reboot here to see if it happens every time...[16:20:38] *** TTLauncher has quit IRC[16:22:21] *** TTLauncher has joined #Haiku[16:22:34] <TTLauncher> nope, no crash that time[16:22:39] <mmu_man> if it crashes try to get a stack crawl[16:22:44] <TTLauncher> ok[16:22:51] <TTLauncher> mmu_man touchscreen and switcher BOTH working![16:22:52] <mmu_man> sometimes stuff happens :)[16:22:58] *** tombhadAC has quit IRC[16:23:00] <mmu_man> ok great[16:23:19] <TTLauncher> right[16:23:20] <mmu_man> next could be to fix the hid driver to avoid having to buy the hw[16:23:37] <TTLauncher> so the USB port itself works you mean?[16:25:36] <mmu_man> yes, you can use usb touchscreens instead, right ?[16:25:42] <TTLauncher> right indeed![16:26:10] <TTLauncher> mmu_man What-all do you think will be required to make that work?[16:26:57] <mmu_man> dunno, I'll have a look again at that solaris driver[16:27:29] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[16:29:06] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[16:29:22] <TTLauncher> mmu_man That would be absolute magic :-)[16:29:42] <mmu_man> but in the mean time you can do something at least[16:29:50] <TTLauncher> Yes indeed...what a great relief.[16:29:58] <TTLauncher> doing some more cruel testing here... :-)_[16:30:18] *** emitrax has quit IRC[16:30:59] <TTLauncher> brb[16:31:00] *** TTLauncher has quit IRC[16:40:22] *** TTLauncher 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time at univ[17:33:52] <NeonLicht> you would stop looking at email clients if you did :-)[17:34:05] <mmu_man> BeMail is fine :p[17:34:22] <mmu_man> or does mutt understand the BeOS attributes and uses them ?[17:34:26] <mmu_man> :p[17:36:02] <NeonLicht> which BeOS attributes?[17:36:24] <Ingenu> noooooooooooooooooooooooo[17:36:33] <Ingenu> he doesn't know about BFS attributes ,[17:36:34] <Ingenu> ?[17:39:25] <NeonLicht> mmhhhh.... maybe you are refering to the file metadata? I've read about them, but never saw (or, at least, I don't remember it) the term attributes[17:44:44] <mmu_man> http://www.birdhouse.org/beos/byte/24-scripting_the_bfs/[17:55:22] *** _Vampyre has joined #haiku[17:56:47] *** nielx has joined #haiku[17:56:48] *** Vampyre has quit IRC[17:56:49] *** _Vampyre is now known as Vampyre[17:59:09] *** ekdahl has joined #haiku[18:06:17] *** absabs has quit IRC[18:16:32] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[18:17:52] <Begasus> hi peeps[18:20:52] *** nielx has quit IRC[18:21:17] *** emitrax__ has joined #haiku[18:27:09] <NeonLicht> hi Begasus[18:27:27] <Ingenu> yo[18:28:08] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[18:28:17] <Begasus> hi ;)[18:32:18] <NeonLicht> is this true? ---> http://birdhouse.org/blog/2007/04/01/the-bebox-is-back/[18:32:25] <_hugo> april 1st[18:32:38] <NeonLicht> damn it XD[18:33:03] <NeonLicht> I'll never get use to the april 1st thing... in Spain it's the december 28 XDDD[18:34:26] <_hugo> will you get used to English? in Spain people use Spanish. :-)[18:34:49] *** rcjsuen has joined #haiku[18:36:26] <NeonLicht> hahaha[18:36:55] *** TLF has quit IRC[18:37:42] *** emitrax_ has quit IRC[18:38:18] *** Lelldorin1 has joined #haiku[18:46:44] *** b3w has joined #haiku[18:49:52] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[18:59:47] *** MikeW has quit IRC[19:01:38] *** Yez has quit IRC[19:04:46] *** genkie has joined #haiku[19:06:49] *** Euver has joined #haiku[19:07:57] *** Ingenu has joined #Haiku[19:17:20] *** lorglas has joined #haiku[19:41:05] *** emitrax__ has quit IRC[19:47:02] *** shackan has joined #haiku[19:49:11] *** pikapika has joined #haiku[19:51:23] <pikapika> hello[19:52:05] *** mats has joined #haiku[19:53:20] <NeonLicht> hiya pikapika[19:55:19] *** steffen_f has joined #haiku[19:55:41] *** steffen_f has joined #haiku[19:55:50] <MrSunshine> gah gief a 99.9% stable haiku so i can leave this damn environment once and for all :)[19:56:14] <pikapika> hi NeonLicht[19:57:04] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[19:57:20] *** BNickName has joined #haiku[20:07:21] <miqlas> http://www.osnews.com/story.php/17608/Bernd-Korz-Ceases-Zeta-Development-Mulls-Giving-Sources-to-Haiku[20:09:20] <_hugo> no one owns zeta :-) i wonder if anyone grasps the details[20:21:29] <pikapika> no one uses zeta ?[20:22:10] <DeadYak> _hugo: define "grasps the details"[20:22:35] <NeonLicht> pikapika: owns, not uses :)[20:22:36] <_hugo> DeadYak: Bernd says "yT and magnussoft don't own my work"[20:22:47] <pikapika> ;)[20:23:02] <NeonLicht> but is Bernd the only Zeta developer?[20:23:15] <_hugo> i don't understand the details of the whole Zeta ownership, the whole thing is plaged with lack of information :-)[20:23:22] <_hugo> plagued even[20:24:35] <NeonLicht> I would say Magnusoft owns part of the code but not Bernd's; apparently for what he says on that article, he remains the rights holder of his code to Zeta[20:24:48] <NeonLicht> as far as I understand[20:25:04] <_hugo> why does Magnusoft own part of the code and not Bernd's? :-)[20:25:19] <_hugo> unless there were different contracts[20:25:29] <DeadYak> NeonLicht: Magnussoft only licensed it from Bernd afaik, they don't own any copyright on it[20:25:35] <NeonLicht> probably because it's not Bernd's code[20:25:58] <NeonLicht> DeadYak: so, do you think 100% of Zeta code is Bernd's?[20:26:11] <DeadYak> define 100%[20:26:24] <DeadYak> the parts that were from Palm obviously not[20:26:37] <NeonLicht> so, that's it[20:26:56] <DeadYak> the parts that were written in house by yT are another story[20:27:25] <_hugo> well, he says yT doesn't own his work[20:27:39] <steffen_f> equally or ...[20:28:08] <steffen_f> I hope this story is over now - gives too much bad press even for haiku - doesn't it !?[20:34:38] *** emitrax has joined #haiku[20:46:28] *** Odin-LAP has joined #haiku[20:48:29] *** shackan has quit IRC[20:53:57] *** TLF has joined #haiku[20:54:56] *** Euver has quit IRC[20:55:54] <Lelldorin1> HAIKU needs BIG Steps.... Go on ;-)[20:57:41] <MrSunshine> humm, hows gcc working in haiku now btw? .. any better? :)[20:57:46] <MrSunshine> Lelldorin1, big steps?[20:57:47] <MrSunshine> pfft[20:58:33] <DeadYak> Haiku can't compile itself yet if that's what you're asking[20:58:36] <_hugo> MrSunshine: not sure how better gcc is working in haiku but you can join in and help :-)[20:59:12] <MrSunshine> haha you dont even know how much i would like to help .. and have wanted over the years .. BUT im just not skilled enough .. my code wouldnt do for an OS :)[21:00:50] <MrSunshine> only thing ive done that i might ask later if they want is the BNetFile class... addon driven net download/edit etc interface :)[21:02:38] *** dtravis7 has left #haiku[21:03:34] <MrSunshine> http://paste.cplusplus.se/paste.php?id=5528 imo its a quite easy usable interface. . and when more then 1 app uses it all apps will be able to download from ftp for example as soon as an ftp addon is added, just like the translators :)[21:05:09] <MrSunshine> DeadYak, ahh ... pitty :)[21:05:19] <MrSunshine> DeadYak, i guess that would mean fully working gcc :P[21:08:06] *** wildur has joined #Haiku[21:16:19] *** Proctop_ has joined #haiku[21:18:34] <[Beta]> MrSunshine, BNetFile needs metalink support :p[21:18:50] *** _DaaT_ has joined #haiku[21:19:00] <MrSunshine> what is metalink ? :)[21:20:11] *** Proctop_ has quit IRC[21:20:37] *** Proctop_ has joined #haiku[21:21:30] <[Beta]> because I'd rather borrow from the website: "Metalink is an Open Standard that bundles the various ways (FTP/HTTP/P2P) to get files into one format for easier downloads. That's probably already more detail than you want. It's just...Simpler. Faster. More Reliable. Better."[21:22:24] <[Beta]> OpenOffice use it to describe multiple countries to get their software from (picks a location nearest to you, etc)[21:23:20] *** Lelldorin1 has quit IRC[21:23:21] <MrSunshine> is there an xml version included in haiku ? :)[21:23:36] <MrSunshine> cause just reading files and using the right addons cant be that hard :)[21:23:51] <MrSunshine> but ofc, need an addon for each typ of url :)[21:24:27] <[Beta]> not yet :p maybe when uk/eu/us.haiku-os.org etc appear :)[21:24:32] *** Begasus has quit IRC[21:25:01] <MrSunshine> tinyxml or something should be included standard :P[21:25:45] <MrSunshine> zlib/libpng licensed[21:27:01] *** rgb has joined #haiku[21:31:10] *** DaaT has quit IRC[21:32:14] *** Proctop has quit IRC[21:42:10] *** pikapika has quit IRC[21:44:15] *** genkie has quit IRC[21:45:31] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[21:50:02] *** genkie has joined #haiku[21:50:46] *** Meanwhile has joined #haiku[21:51:35] *** kokito has joined #haiku[21:56:23] *** lorglas has quit IRC[22:03:26] *** Pembros has joined #haiku[22:04:37] *** SamuelGZ has joined #haiku[22:04:57] <SamuelGZ> helo people[22:05:25] *** stargater has joined #haiku[22:05:27] <stargater> hu[22:07:00] <rgb> Zeta is dead ! :([22:07:46] <SamuelGZ> sorry?[22:07:58] <Meanwhile> no[22:08:59] <geist> not particularly[22:10:55] <SamuelGZ> April fools ;)[22:11:59] <stargater> rgb: nice :-)[22:12:18] <stargater> somethinks are better is dead[22:12:24] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[22:12:24] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[22:12:40] <stargater> hi mmu_man[22:14:17] <mmu_man> re[22:15:03] *** shackan has joined #haiku[22:18:43] *** schmedly3d has joined #haiku[22:23:03] <mmu_man> http://www.liberation.fr/actualite/ecrans/245073.FR.php?rss=true Apple and EMI to finally give up DRMs ?[22:23:18] *** MrRagga has quit IRC[22:23:39] <[Beta]> mmu_man, yup, at a small cost :)[22:24:12] *** TTRanger has quit IRC[22:24:14] <MikeW> mmu_man: no, just emi[22:24:31] <MikeW> apple however is happy to sell it[22:24:32] <mmu_man> not on par with the advantage of not having to be outlawed just to listen to it[22:24:37] <mmu_man> still, wait & see[22:26:37] *** MikeW has quit IRC[22:28:23] *** jonaskirilla has joined #haiku[22:28:27] *** emitrax_ has joined #haiku[22:29:10] *** jonaskirilla has quit IRC[22:33:53] <stargater> mmu_man: you work on usb_serial ? can you give a answere ? here please => http://bebits.com/talkback/4336[22:35:06] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[22:36:48] *** emitrax has quit IRC[22:36:56] <mmu_man> stargater Haiku doesn't have a tty bus manager yet[22:37:02] <mmu_man> tty module[22:37:10] <mmu_man> so you can't build usb_serial yet[22:37:17] *** TLF has quit IRC[22:38:27] *** Superfan has joined #haiku[22:40:36] <schmedly3d> if I build an OpenGL app in an R5 environment should it run without issue under Haiku?[22:41:10] <bga> schmedly3d: Yes.[22:41:32] <schmedly3d> just link against the regular GL libs?[22:42:49] <bga> liggl.so, yes.[22:42:50] <bga> Ops.[22:42:52] <bga> libgl.so[22:43:11] <schmedly3d> thank you :)[22:43:12] <mmu_man> libgoogle.so ?[22:43:19] <mmu_man> hey what's that ?[22:43:22] <schmedly3d> I almost thought that too[22:43:24] <mmu_man> hide that lib I shall not see![22:43:56] <bga> mmu_man: If I tell you, I will have to kill you. :P[22:44:08] * bga hides all his ultra-secret Google projects.[22:44:16] <mmu_man> btw, isn't it libGL.so actually ?[22:44:24] <schmedly3d> yes[22:44:47] * mmu_man has a copy on ftp://127.0.0.1/ anyway[22:46:46] <Ingenu> :)[22:46:47] *** schmedly3d has quit IRC[22:46:50] <bga> Ok, enough work for today. Gotta go home. See ya all.[22:47:05] *** b3w_ has joined #haiku[22:47:12] *** bga has quit IRC[22:47:15] <mmu_man> bga[22:47:16] <mmu_man> argh[22:47:27] *** schmedly3d_ has joined #haiku[22:47:30] <Ingenu> definetly not the same timezone[22:47:41] <rgb> cool now mmu_man can speak to libgoogle.so :)[22:47:55] *** TTRanger has joined #Haiku[22:48:20] <TTRanger> mmu_man Pressure testing went fine[22:48:45] <mmu_man> cool :)[22:48:48] <TTRanger> No blown gaskets or steam valves :-)[22:49:04] <schmedly3d_> steam, valve... that's kinda funny[22:49:05] * mmu_man listenning to http://www.jamendo.com/fr/album/2964/[22:49:56] * [Beta] listens too[22:50:04] <mmu_man> (in Zeta over NFS back to ESounD)[22:50:15] <mmu_man> (bandwidth waste yeah :))[22:50:38] <mmu_man> I should try that to wake up, maybe it would work[22:51:20] <stargater> mmu_man: i read berndworld, he say he will somethinks from zeta give haiku ? thats true ? (usb, driver, localkit )?[22:51:21] <[Beta]> maybe at 1m14s in[22:53:43] <mmu_man> stargater it's in discussion I think[22:54:09] <mmu_man> if zeta can't survive commercially at least it can benefit Haiku[22:56:45] <TTRanger> Bernd is pretty gracious in his attitude on that...I suspect he/'ll come through with some stuff.[22:58:03] <mmu_man> considering what he invested in zeta...[23:01:55] *** b3w has quit IRC[23:03:58] <CIA-17> korli * r20516 /haiku/trunk/src/kits/interface/Font.cpp: attach missing args for AS_GET_EDGES[23:06:06] <_DaaT_> hey mmu_man, TTRanger[23:06:16] <TTRanger> yep?[23:06:19] <mmu_man> MIRC COLORS![23:06:20] <_DaaT_> and stargater[23:06:21] <mmu_man> grr[23:06:22] *** _DaaT_ is now known as DaaT[23:06:27] * mmu_man slaps CIA-17[23:06:40] <DeadYak> mmu_man: I thought it just used bold?[23:06:42] * [Beta] sets channel mode +strip[23:06:43] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[23:06:46] <TTRanger> DaaT You rang?[23:06:47] <mmu_man> or maybe this version of Vision is just broken[23:06:51] <mmu_man> DeadYak[23:06:54] <[Beta]> DeadYak, its green![23:06:57] <DaaT> just said hi[23:06:58] <DaaT> :)[23:06:58] <DeadYak> ah.[23:07:02] <mmu_man> here i get a dark green bg[23:07:05] <[Beta]> lo btw[23:07:06] <TTRanger> oh well hi then DeadYak :-P[23:07:14] <TTRanger> I mean DaaT :-)[23:07:21] <DeadYak> that's possible, I'm in an ssh shell right now so I don't see colors :)[23:07:24] <TTRanger> Well DeadYak too as fas as that goes. :-)[23:07:33] *** rgb has quit IRC[23:07:38] <DaaT> TTRanger :P[23:07:42] <mmu_man> well i'ts broken anyway... crappy smiley support. I don't care about smileys, I just want a *normal* text view with non-gigantic interlines[23:07:42] <TTRanger> DeadYak You and I used to be in touch more than this...what happened? :-P :-)[23:08:11] <mmu_man> DeadYak tsssk, BX does use colors[23:09:12] <DeadYak> mmu_man: I hate BX :P[23:09:27] <stargater> heya DaaT :_)[23:09:43] <mmu_man> there is rhapsody, but I don't know if it supports colors[23:09:46] <DeadYak> mmu_man: I had absolutely nothing to do with smiley support, Teknomancer did that long after I left yt[23:09:51] <mmu_man> (it runs on beos though=[23:10:02] <mmu_man> DeadYak I know :p[23:10:03] <DeadYak> or someone, I think it was Tek[23:10:11] <DeadYak> mirc colors definitely used to work :)[23:10:28] <DeadYak> TTRanger: unfortunately I have to use Linux at work[23:10:39] *** oco has joined #haiku[23:10:48] <TTRanger> DeadYak I just miss our chats :-)[23:10:49] <NeonLicht> fortunately I have the 'cleanpublic.pl' script always running on my irssi XDDD[23:10:58] <TTRanger> The old BeShare days :-)[23:11:39] <DeadYak> I was never really on BeShare much, didn't like its interface[23:11:56] * DaaT thinks TTRanger's age is starting to show...[23:12:01] <TTRanger> puh[23:12:09] * mmu_man pets mphipps[23:12:15] * TTRanger pets himself[23:12:20] *** mphipps has joined #haiku[23:12:26] <TTRanger> mphipps howdy[23:12:28] <mphipps> Hey all![23:12:32] <mmu_man> [23:16] * mmu_man pets mphipps[23:12:34] <mmu_man> :P[23:12:35] * DeadYak pets mphipps[23:12:38] <stargater> mphipps: hi[23:12:42] * mmu_man pets nick notification :D[23:12:50] * TTRanger fears the start of petting party -- backs away[23:12:51] <mphipps> My fur has never been so ... smooth and glossy.[23:12:54] <[Beta]> hey mphipps[23:13:06] <DeadYak> mphipps: still haven't shaved your back? :P[23:13:07] * DeadYak ducks[23:13:11] <TTRanger> look at that mphipps - they treat you like a rock star in here :-)[23:13:12] <mphipps> lol[23:13:18] * DaaT closes his eyes (but records with a camera) at TTRanger petting himself[23:13:34] <TTRanger> Don't let your imagination run wild, DaaT[23:13:39] * TTRanger cameraslaps DaaT[23:14:07] <DaaT> :P[23:14:08] <mphipps> TTRanger - do you have any thoughts about the zeta news?[23:14:14] <stargater> Tokkio Hotel mphipps ,,,, girls screaming here name = mphipps mphipps mphipps[23:14:25] <TTRanger> mphipps I am praying for a complete Haiku :-)[23:14:28] <mphipps> stargater - :-)[23:14:43] <TTRanger> mphipps Especially praying for a complete media kit[23:14:59] <TTRanger> mphipps I'm going to be able to hopefully donate an HDA driver to the effort.[23:15:08] <mphipps> TTRanger - do you ever encode data or just decode?[23:15:26] <TTRanger> mphipps need to be able to both record and playback, is that what you mean?[23:15:35] <mphipps> yes.[23:15:42] <TTRanger> Right, need both directions[23:15:45] <mphipps> decode (playback) works nicely.[23:15:53] <TTRanger> AC97 you mean?[23:16:17] <mphipps> Media Node decoding.[23:16:26] <TTRanger> mphipps ah, well that's good![23:16:46] <mphipps> Yeah. Encoding will be a lot of work.[23:17:16] *** Nies has joined #haiku[23:18:41] *** Pembros has quit IRC[23:22:19] *** axeld has joined #Haiku[23:22:19] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[23:22:51] <mmu_man> plop[23:23:14] *** jevin has joined #haiku[23:23:40] <DeadYak> I sense an admin meeting[23:23:48] <mphipps> yup[23:23:49] <mmu_man> really ? :)[23:24:05] <mphipps> in 40 mins[23:24:13] <stargater> hi axeld[23:24:24] * mmu_man ponders about mentoring[23:24:29] <axeld> Hi stargater[23:24:36] <mmu_man> I should first make sure I get a stable job[23:25:00] <mphipps> mmu_man - were you affected by Zeta?[23:25:19] <mmu_man> mphipps well I worked for yT for some time...[23:25:36] <mphipps> I didn't think that was recent, though.[23:25:41] <mmu_man> yes[23:26:01] <mmu_man> I expected to start again slowly with magnusoft but it seems not to be meant to happen :)[23:26:06] <mphipps> sorry to hear that.[23:26:38] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[23:27:33] <mmu_man> I'm still not fully in order yet anyway, but still[23:27:43] *** ekdahl has quit IRC[23:28:13] <DeadYak> gcc -g -O0 mmu_man[23:28:51] <mphipps> You can't compile mmu_man! He is interpreted! :-D[23:29:09] <mmu_man> hey, that would explain why I'm so slow nowadays =)[23:29:29] <mphipps> children will do that to you.[23:29:56] <axeld> mmu_man: it only would have worked when you were from India, anyway :-)[23:30:21] <DeadYak> mmu_man: I meant to recompile you with debugging to find out what's wrong :P[23:30:47] <mmu_man> axeld lol[23:31:45] * DeadYak tries to picture Indian mmu_man[23:32:02] <mmu_man> hey I'd have more arms like shiva[23:32:05] <mmu_man> I'd work faster =)[23:32:07] <DeadYak> hahahahahahahaha[23:32:51] <stargater> mmu_man: you not a human , you are a ailien ore cyborg[23:33:01] <mmu_man> I wish[23:33:04] <mmu_man> I wouldn't have to sleep[23:33:09] <DeadYak> can I be a cyborg?[23:33:16] <mmu_man> oh well, even robocop has sleep cycles[23:33:17] <DaaT> and you'd actually finish a project!![23:33:20] <DeadYak> haha[23:33:21] * DaaT ducks[23:33:28] <mphipps> I want to be a cybotg if seven of nine will assimilate me! :-)[23:33:28] <mmu_man> CYYYYBERMEN ![23:33:29] <stargater> no sleep, work and work , ah thats mmu_man ;-)[23:33:35] <mmu_man> YOU WILL BE UPGRADED![23:34:05] <shackan> All sleep and no dreams make Jack a dull boy[23:34:21] <mmu_man> lol french tv shows using google earth to spot our presidential candidates' houses[23:35:14] <stargater> mmu_man: i have you see on a Begeistert ,= you work and work and in the morning you are standing , i thinl you have make a reboot and reload and update/upgrade your system[23:35:25] <mmu_man> mphipps I can register as backup mentor if you need to[23:36:11] <DaaT> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNqiSkd1M6k awesome[23:37:16] <mphipps> mmu_man - if you want to. I don't know how many slots we will get, so I don't know how many we will really need.[23:37:35] <mmu_man> I could still register just in case[23:37:59] <mphipps> sure.[23:38:10] <mmu_man> HUMAN 2.0 ARE CYBERMEN! YOU ARE NOT COMPATIBLE![23:38:16] * mmu_man misses teh Doctor[23:38:28] <DeadYak> mmu_man: do they sell cybermen Overdrive(tm) chips? :P[23:38:31] *** BGA has joined #haiku[23:38:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[23:38:35] * DeadYak trouts BGA[23:39:02] <mphipps> daat - that is very funny![23:39:05] <mmu_man> hey welcome back[23:39:13] <stargater> heeh mmu_man you are cool , thx , i like ist when i read haiku commits your name[23:39:29] <mmu_man> BGA btw, anyone I should mail to preferably to ask if google cares about googlefs ?[23:39:52] <DeadYak> mmu_man: you mean because of the trademark? :)[23:39:55] <mmu_man> yes[23:40:00] <BGA> mmu_man: I can ask around.[23:40:04] <mmu_man> ok thx[23:40:20] <mmu_man> I could remove it from svn but I'd rather have their blessing and keep it[23:40:47] <mmu_man> I can even arrange to have the google logo as background in the folders (attribute powah)[23:41:17] <DeadYak> mmu_man: but can you add AdSense to the folders? XD[23:41:39] <DeadYak> just think, generate revenue for Haiku by having people browse their filesystem[23:42:01] <mmu_man> well, if their html doesn't change everytime I can arrange to parse them and show them, yes[23:42:19] <mphipps> deadyak - that would be interesting... :-)[23:42:32] <mmu_man> there are even much funnier ways[23:42:42] <DeadYak> mmu_man: AdSense InfoPopper[23:42:43] * mmu_man pets load_image() from kernel[23:42:50] <mmu_man> DeadYak right :)[23:43:13] <geist> you guys missed Luposian last night[23:43:16] <geist> he came to the channel[23:43:21] <DeadYak> ugh, not that guy[23:43:24] <mmu_man> I was thinkg about load_image("alert "foo" ... open url")[23:43:25] * mphipps hides[23:43:34] <DeadYak> mmu_man: hahahahaha[23:44:03] <DeadYak> mmu_man: you can load_image a userspace binary from the kern directly?[23:44:15] <mmu_man> yes[23:44:19] <DeadYak> ah[23:44:21] <mmu_man> how do you think Bootscript is run ?[23:44:26] <DeadYak> geist: let me guess, he was bitching about file copies?[23:44:35] <geist> actually he didn't say anything[23:44:39] <geist> since no one was online[23:44:40] <mmu_man> I used that once in the auto-install athlon patch floppy image[23:44:45] <DeadYak> ah[23:44:49] <geist> i was in the other room, missed em[23:44:53] <mmu_man> create teh script from the kernel module, run it...[23:44:59] <geist> otherwise I woulda been all about file copies[23:49:14] <mmu_man> mphipps btw we still don't have XEmacs in the image...[23:49:23] <mmu_man> to replace BeIDE[23:49:24] <geist> propa![23:49:33] <mmu_man> oh well I will have to double its size anyway[23:49:45] <mmu_man> actually I tried to start it the other day but it crashed badly[23:49:47] <mphipps> mmu_man - I wouldn't wait for that, if I were you.[23:49:49] <mphipps> :-)[23:49:54] *** BGA has quit IRC[23:50:07] <mmu_man> <I wish I was an admin />[23:50:08] <mmu_man> :p[23:50:31] <mmu_man> due to its dumped elf exe it didn't like Haiku swapping back the vm layout[23:51:00] <mmu_man> the pre-dump binary started to dump though but it was too huge[23:51:37] <mmu_man> s/was/were/[23:51:46] <mmu_man> I wish I were[23:51:54] <mmu_man> nasty english trick[23:52:56] <mmu_man> brb[23:54:02] <mmu_man> mphipps you'd be surprised how native XEmacs can act though[23:55:25] <mphipps> %s/emacs/vim/g[23:55:30] <mmu_man> hmm firefox 2.0 doesn't update http dir listings...[23:55:51] <mmu_man> mphipps well... I do like and use vi too[23:56:04] <mphipps> :-)[23:56:23] <mphipps> I use Vim all day every day. :-D[23:56:28] <mmu_man> damn I need to resize moz window to have it display the newly loaded page[23:56:29] <mmu_man> eux[23:56:31] <mmu_man> sux[23:56:41] <mmu_man> arf it's not moz it's "Bon Echo" nyway[23:56:44] <mmu_man> stupid copyright[23:57:00] <mmu_man> http://revolf.free.fr/beos/shots/shot_SGA_ancient_XEmacs.png full Zeta theming support :D[23:57:01] <mphipps> firefox 2/Linux crashes on me about once a day. :-([23:57:27] <mmu_man> http://revolf.free.fr/beos/shots/shot_beos_xemacs_utf8_input.png[23:57:32] * mphipps hammers mmu_man's server![23:57:44] <mmu_man> I fixed accented chars input, works now :)[23:58:06] <mmu_man> http://revolf.free.fr/beos/shots/shot_beos_googlefs_xemacs_native_gnus.png toolbars but it's unstable[23:58:09] <mphipps> what find of a font is that?[23:58:23] <mmu_man> the first one is Ancient Times[23:58:34] <mmu_man> some glyphs used in Stargate Atlantis[23:58:39] *** Meanwhile has quit IRC[23:58:44] <mphipps> oic[23:58:54] <mphipps> I suppose that makes sense.[23:59:05] <mmu_man> D&D works, mime association...[23:59:18] <mphipps> very pretty buttons[23:59:37] <mmu_man> I'd try to make Haiku ones someday :)[23:59:56] <mmu_man> the folders on the left (speedbar) are also PNG so it's easily changeable :)