January 29, 2005 
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January 29, 2005 [00:13:44] *** DaaT has quit IRC[00:14:35] *** dr_Evil_ has quit IRC[00:14:54] *** voidref is now known as vger[00:15:07] <pres589> heh, vger[00:21:26] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has quit IRC[00:27:11] *** BGA has quit IRC[00:34:40] *** Racer__X has quit IRC[00:44:12] *** jonaskirilla has joined #haiku[00:50:01] *** Methe has quit IRC[00:55:13] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[00:56:03] *** qwm_ has joined #haiku[01:00:11] *** znation has quit IRC[01:00:29] *** znation has joined #haiku[01:06:26] *** qwm has quit IRC[01:10:26] <MikeW> did tycomsystems just bomb out?[01:11:34] <slaad> Sure, why not?[01:12:15] <MikeW> wha?[01:12:54] <MikeW> I was happily connected to tycomsystems, *bang*, now im not and I can't connect. Is that the case for everyone else?[01:15:01] <fyysik> beshare?[01:15:25] <fyysik> i'm there atm.[01:17:33] * mmadia 2[01:17:41] *** MikeW has quit IRC[01:17:47] <CIA-8> bonefish * current/headers/private/app/MessageUtils.h: Allow that const data can be supplied to TChecksumHelper::Cache().[01:20:02] <CIA-8> shadow303 * current/src/servers/app/server/ (AccelerantDriver.cpp AccelerantDriver.h): Long overdue fixes for internal API change, now if I could just unbork my system enough to test them...[01:20:14] <CIA-8> bonefish * current/ (headers/os/app/Message.h src/kits/app/Message.cpp):[01:20:14] <CIA-8> Moved the functionality to flatten and unflatten a BMessage header into[01:20:14] <CIA-8> an 29 00:20:14 <CIA-8> a separate class. This allowed to improve _SendFlattenedMessage() to[01:20:14] <CIA-8> deal properly with flattened BMessages as well.[01:21:18] *** lymon has joined #haiku[01:22:26] <lymon> hello[01:22:31] <fyysik> hello[01:22:37] * fyysik is confused[01:23:07] <lymon> why[01:23:39] <fyysik> how BeOS app can be sensible to all mouse moves when it isn't active and SetEventMask() or SetMouseEventMask() wasn't used[01:24:45] <lymon> BeOS send messages to app[01:25:06] <lymon> app can event dont know about mouse[01:26:39] * fyysik thought that BeOS sends mouse messages to ACTIVE apps, and inactive app must use either GetMouse() or Set*EventMask() to get all messages[01:26:49] <fyysik> but it isn't the case here[01:26:49] *** qwm_ is now known as qwm[01:27:06] <fyysik> probably will ask in BeDevTalk[01:28:53] <fyysik> lymon - did you manage too boot haiku at your Intel system at last?[01:29:51] <@Korli> fyysik if you use an input filter you can receive mouse moves[01:32:07] <lymon> fyysik, no =([01:34:06] <jonaskirilla> me i845 / Celeron/P4 system won't boot it either[01:34:10] <jonaskirilla> s/me/my[01:34:20] <jonaskirilla> just reboots instantly[01:38:52] *** oco has quit IRC[01:40:39] *** fyy__ has joined #haiku[01:41:09] <fyy__> damn. provider likes to refresh leases from time to time at nights[01:41:30] <fyy__> lymon - did you manage too boot haiku at your Intel system at last?[01:41:58] * fyy__ was disconnected in reality for last 7 minutes[01:42:32] <lymon> fyysik, i'm working on it )[01:42:33] *** illissius has joined #haiku[01:42:46] <jonaskirilla> fyy__: have you got it booting?[01:42:52] <jonaskirilla> doesn't work here[01:43:27] <fyy__> jonaskirilla - i didn't try, but lymon was full of enthousiasm to solve that problem. so asking him[01:43:47] <jonaskirilla> the floppy used to work, sort of, but I have only tried the makehdimage thing lately[01:44:04] <jonaskirilla> enthusiasm is good :)[01:46:02] <lymon> i this that for full rearch of reasons it is good to look at and disassemble the BeFS 1-st stage boot loader (the R% original), maybe answers there[01:46:35] <lymon> i think for full search of reasons ...[01:47:11] *** fyysik has quit IRC[01:47:54] <lymon> i really start to bealive that it is unable to boot anywhere )[01:48:04] <jonaskirilla> lymon: I'm glad there are people like you, who enjoy dissassembling stuff :)[01:48:23] <jonaskirilla> it's got to boot on Axel's hardware, at least[01:48:44] <jonaskirilla> but what about the IDE support, was it ISA only?[01:50:28] <lymon> i know that ocasion =) the Axel is working on ide (it is not bootable), but the isa booting is working (i just can't see it)[01:50:50] *** VirtualDarKness has joined #haiku[01:52:14] <lymon> i reported that P2,p3,celerons on xp, 810, 815 and p4 not booting[01:52:49] <lymon> but axel say that his P3 on SIS and Athlon is ok[01:53:15] *** VirtualDarKness has quit IRC[01:53:42] <@Korli> lymon you musn't be lucky then :)[01:54:34] <lymon> anywords it is not bootable on most =( everything needs to be revised[01:57:49] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[01:58:06] <slaad> Anyone here read Russian?[01:58:18] <fyysik> ISP suxx especially tonight[01:58:29] <fyysik> two of us, slaad[01:58:34] <lymon> slaad, I and fyysik native russian speaking[01:58:56] <slaad> Can one of you do me a favour and give me a quick break down of what a page says?[01:59:13] <fyysik> shot[01:59:21] <fyysik> URL[01:59:22] <lymon> what page ?[01:59:56] <slaad> http://www.saitek.ru/other/x52inside/[02:00:02] <slaad> From about 2 / 3s down.[02:00:13] <slaad> Where it has internal pictures of the joystick. Does it mention anything about deadzones / upgrades ?[02:00:35] *** jonaskirilla has quit IRC[02:00:56] <fyysik> explains Joystick setup[02:01:15] <slaad> Setup? As in construction?[02:03:04] <fyysik> http://www.saitek.ru/other/x52inside/image003.jpg - he mentiones this shot as place in setupe when you can get rid of or minimize deadzones[02:03:08] <fyysik> sorry[02:03:17] <fyysik> http://www.saitek.ru/other/x52inside/image005.jpg[02:03:19] <fyysik> here[02:03:46] *** fyy__ has quit IRC[02:04:06] <slaad> Hrm... anything about hall effect sensors?[02:04:19] <lymon> yes[02:04:41] <fyysik> yeah, tells that Hall sensors do provide real quality and this device is best in its class[02:04:59] <slaad> Hrm, nuts.[02:05:25] <slaad> Thanks guys[02:05:42] <fyysik> only issue - no "something" for pedals[02:05:57] <slaad> "something" ?[02:06:20] <fyysik> and he discuss deadzones. That this is software effect which someone may like, but others - don't[02:06:40] * slaad nosd[02:06:51] <fyysik> slaad - i don't know real meaning for word he uses[02:07:13] <fyysik> it may be "pendulum" or "pump"[02:07:15] *** stippi has quit IRC[02:07:20] * lymon first knows about such devices =)[02:07:23] <slaad> Ahh, that's okay. Don't think it was of importance. I was hoping it might be a way to position the sensors properly to minimise deadzone as there's a hardware issue.[02:07:29] <fyysik> but what it means in gamers reality - it is mystery for me[02:07:38] <slaad> It'd be pump, I think...[02:08:00] <fyysik> "pump for pedals" ? hmm[02:08:21] <slaad> Yeah, although, that doesn't have pedals, so I've got no idea, heh.[02:09:05] <fyysik> maybe he means "connector for pedals" ?[02:10:24] <fyysik> or "swing" set ?[02:10:26] <fyysik> heh[02:10:33] <fyysik> not my area:)[02:12:52] *** lymon has quit IRC[02:14:30] *** alphakiller has quit IRC[02:14:58] <slaad> Yeah, possibly. Anyway, thanks :)[02:15:11] *** slaad has quit IRC[02:18:59] *** alphakiller has joined #haiku[02:22:34] *** lymon has joined #haiku[02:30:39] *** Korli has quit IRC[02:33:33] *** lymon has quit IRC[02:40:26] *** alphakiller has quit IRC[02:59:09] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[02:59:10] *** petterhj has quit IRC[03:10:34] *** fyysik has quit IRC[03:19:26] *** illissius has quit IRC[03:30:05] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[03:30:15] *** lymon has joined #haiku[03:30:33] <lymon> i booted haiku ...[03:30:50] <agentmumu> lymon: great![03:31:29] <lymon> not far. at leasr i can get just before loader "Welcome string"[03:31:34] <lymon> least[03:31:43] <lymon> i failed on vesa_init[03:32:04] <lymon> but sucsessfully passed mmu problem[03:32:28] <lymon> the problem was in improperly memory layout constants[03:38:46] *** slaad has joined #haiku[03:40:21] *** lymon has quit IRC[03:45:53] *** Koki has joined #haiku[03:55:30] *** alphakiller has joined #haiku[04:02:11] *** Koki has quit IRC[04:09:05] *** Zenton is now known as Zenton_[04:09:28] *** Zenton_ is now known as Zenton[04:09:53] *** Zenton is now known as Zenton_[04:13:10] *** mmadia has quit IRC[04:20:59] *** alphakiller has quit IRC[04:21:54] *** lymon has joined #haiku[04:25:37] *** alphakiller has joined #haiku[04:26:03] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[04:35:46] *** alphakiller has quit IRC[04:47:51] *** znation has quit IRC[04:48:25] *** znation has joined #haiku[04:56:11] *** lymon has quit IRC[05:05:33] *** illissius has joined #haiku[06:21:51] *** tic has joined #haiku[07:28:17] *** mmadia has quit IRC[07:40:30] *** sl44d has joined #haiku[07:41:29] *** ^majik^ has joined #haiku[07:44:30] *** qwm_ has joined #haiku[07:45:40] *** slaad has quit IRC[07:45:40] *** sl44d is now known as slaad[07:56:54] *** qwm has quit IRC[07:58:21] *** nPHYN1T3 has joined #haiku[08:06:43] *** nPHYN1T3 has quit IRC[08:12:17] *** nPHYN1T3 has joined #haiku[08:21:42] *** slaad has quit IRC[08:35:44] *** Koki has joined #haiku[08:38:25] *** Koki has quit IRC[08:45:11] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[08:45:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[09:11:06] *** TLF has joined #haiku[09:29:44] *** voidster has quit IRC[09:29:44] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[09:43:40] *** voidref has joined #haiku[09:43:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o voidref[09:53:25] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[09:57:08] *** voidref has quit IRC[09:57:08] *** vger is now known as voidref[10:03:05] *** Methe has joined #haiku[10:20:44] *** frankps has joined #haiku[10:29:58] *** voidster has joined #haiku[10:50:56] *** Konrad has quit IRC[10:50:56] *** nPHYN1T3 has quit IRC[11:00:00] *** ahwayakchih has joined #haiku[11:00:01] <ahwayakchih> hih> hi[11:01:05] <ahwayakchih> anyone here with some knowledge about get_image_info()?[11:02:35] <ahwayakchih> ih> i need to know what are *data and *text fields (are they sections from elf, or segments containing more sections?)[11:03:00] * Methe doesn't know[11:03:48] <@geist> probably segments[11:04:12] <@geist> since for the most part that's the only important thing from a loader point of view[11:05:03] <ahwayakchih> geist so it should be possible for me to find some section inside them? (i need .eh_frame and .eh_frame_hdr :)[11:05:26] <@geist> that i dont know[11:05:46] <ahwayakchih> on darwin they use getsectdatafromheader() function for that, but i can't find anything like that for BeOS[11:05:52] <ahwayakchih> geist ok THX[11:10:26] <@mmu_man> text is teh code[11:10:29] <@mmu_man> data is teh data :p[11:12:57] <@geist> thanks[11:13:39] <@mmu_man> ahwayakchih have a look at the output from objdump --all-headers[11:13:46] <@mmu_man> and listimage/listarea[11:14:24] <@mmu_man> 826 libroot.so_seg0 ec016000 74000 74000 0 0 0[11:14:25] <@mmu_man> 827 libroot.so_seg1 ec08a000 34000 b000 4 0 0[11:14:33] <@mmu_man> LOAD off 0x00000000 vaddr 0x00000000 paddr 0x00000000 align 2**12[11:14:34] <@mmu_man> filesz 0x000731b4 memsz 0x000731b4 flags r-x[11:14:35] <@mmu_man> LOAD off 0x000731c0 vaddr 0x000741c0 paddr 0x000741c0 align 2**12[11:14:35] <@mmu_man> filesz 0x000070e0 memsz 0x000331a0 flags rw-[11:14:36] <@mmu_man> DYNAMIC off 0x0007a210 vaddr 0x0007b210 paddr 0x0007b210 align 2**2[11:14:36] <@mmu_man> filesz 0x00000090 memsz 0x00000090 flags rw-[11:15:19] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man what i need is to get .eh* sections dynamically (ie. after BeOS loader loads shared libraries and executable, and links code and do other stuff)[11:16:15] <@geist> are yo usure there isn't a symbol that marks the beginning and end of those sections?[11:17:48] <ahwayakchih> geist well.. if *data and *text from image info structure point to some kind of "glued sections" thing, then probably i can find needed sections[11:18:04] <ahwayakchih> geist if they point to .text and .data sections, then i'm screwed[11:18:12] <@mmu_man> the sections have entries in the symbol table:[11:18:25] <@mmu_man> 00077a88 l d .eh_frame 00000000[11:18:33] <@mmu_man> now, not sure get_image_symbol doesn't skip them[11:18:45] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man yep[11:18:46] <Methe> loooooool mdr http://kamazutra.free.fr/iraknews[11:19:38] <@mmu_man> nice white flash page[11:20:35] <@mmu_man> <rant>FLASH SUXOR ICED PINGUINS IN AMAZONIA</rant>[11:39:37] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man geist hmm i didn't try yet but: if i'll be able to get_image_symbol(__EH_FRAME_BEGIN__) which in elf file has the same point as .eh_frame start, will it give me start of section, or only function's? i mean is function's address in some "other notation" or can it be used as pointer to section's data?[11:40:16] <ahwayakchih> (__EH_FRAME_BEGIN__ is in .eh_frame section, so i wonder if it's loaded by BeOS at all)[11:42:58] *** thaflo has joined #haiku[11:44:05] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[11:46:00] <@mmu_man> [revol@patrick ~/devel]$ ./dumpsym .eh_frame /system/lib/libbe.so[11:46:01] <@mmu_man> get_image_symbol: Invalid argument[11:46:55] <@mmu_man> [revol@patrick ~/devel]$ ./dumpsym __EH_FRAME_BEGIN__ /system/lib/libbe.so[11:46:56] <@mmu_man> get_image_symbol: Invalid argument[11:46:58] <@mmu_man> :-([11:47:58] <ahwayakchih> :([11:48:10] *** frankps has quit IRC[11:48:16] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man it's with gcc 3.x[11:48:22] <ahwayakchih> it's=it should be[11:49:30] <ahwayakchih> hmm[11:50:14] <ahwayakchih> get_next_image_info doesn't work for linked libraries?![11:50:24] <@mmu_man> ?[11:50:27] <@mmu_man> it does[11:50:34] <@mmu_man> for all images loaded[11:50:36] <ahwayakchih> ih> i just tried scanning image infos, and it didn't output anything[11:50:38] <ahwayakchih> :([11:50:40] <ahwayakchih> hmm[11:50:56] <@mmu_man> how do you think listimage works ? :p[11:51:07] <@mmu_man> you need to pass 0 as team (or mayb 1)[11:51:18] <ahwayakchih> ih> i passed 0[11:51:27] <ahwayakchih> i'll try 1[11:51:44] <ahwayakchih> 10:51:44 <ahwayakchih> 1 didn't help either...[11:52:51] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man dumpsym __EH_FRAME_BEGIN__ ./lib/libclass.so[11:52:55] <ahwayakchih> load_add_on: No such file or directory[11:52:57] <ahwayakchih> :([11:53:58] <@mmu_man> try abs path[11:54:50] <ahwayakchih> ok[11:55:14] <ahwayakchih> get_image_symbol: Invalid argument[11:55:17] <ahwayakchih> :([11:55:56] <ahwayakchih> maybe load_add_on can't load gcc 3.x generated lib?[11:58:55] *** TLF has quit IRC[12:01:29] <@mmu_man> no reason[12:01:41] <@mmu_man> see syslog[12:03:27] <ahwayakchih> nothing in /var/log/syslong from today[12:03:37] <ahwayakchih> syslog[12:05:50] <@mmu_man> HATE ppl not usign makefiles[12:06:14] <ahwayakchih> ?;][12:07:33] <ahwayakchih> OMG[12:07:36] <ahwayakchih> i'm sooo stupid[12:07:46] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man ok i didn't put == B_OK in while ;][12:07:59] <@mmu_man> *slap*[12:08:29] <@mmu_man> *data: -2147474404[12:08:35] <@mmu_man> better use %lx[12:08:38] <@mmu_man> or %p[12:08:41] <ahwayakchih> ok[12:08:48] <@mmu_man> arf, cout sux[12:09:02] <@mmu_man> listimage does it anyway[12:16:03] <ahwayakchih> hmm[12:16:06] <ahwayakchih> 38: 000542c8 0 OBJECT LOCAL DEFAULT 14 __EH_FRAME_BEGIN__[12:16:25] <ahwayakchih> so it's there but get_image_symbol still returns invalid arg[12:16:33] <ahwayakchih> :(([12:16:53] <ahwayakchih> 000542c8 l O .eh_frame 00000000 __EH_FRAME_BEGIN__[12:17:07] <ahwayakchih> looks like .eh_frame is not loaded at all to image info[12:18:39] <ahwayakchih> file generated by 2.x doesn't have that symbol, so i guess error is ok (though ti should be "name not found" not "invalid argument"[12:18:56] <ahwayakchih> but the one generated with 3.x has it, and i still get the same error[12:26:17] <@mmu_man> hmm libbe has it[12:26:22] <@mmu_man> and it's not gcc3 compiled :p[12:26:35] <@mmu_man> I guess the "ANY_SYMBOL" means any text or data, but nothing else[12:30:08] <ahwayakchih> yep[12:31:41] <ahwayakchih> so it seems i can't implement handling of exceptionc across elf files in 3.x :([12:32:16] <ahwayakchih> unless there's some other way to read .eh* data[12:35:30] *** Korli has joined #haiku[12:35:30] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Korli[12:36:31] <ahwayakchih> for glibc based unwind they use this function: http://www.zevils.com/cgi-bin/man/man2html?dl_iterate_phdr+3[12:36:42] <ahwayakchih> it gives them list of headers from file[12:36:46] *** sys2 has joined #haiku[12:37:19] <ahwayakchih> unwind darwin uses: fde = getsectdatafromheader (image->mh, "__DATA", "__eh_frame", &sz);[12:37:59] <ahwayakchih> now ho to get it on BeOS? :)[12:38:03] <ahwayakchih> ho=how[12:38:54] <ahwayakchih> exceptions catching inside one file works ok, so BeOS loads needed things i guess[12:41:39] *** ConneX has joined #haiku[12:43:43] *** Dr_Evil has joined #haiku[12:43:55] <@mmu_man> have a look at the crt stuff in haiku ?[12:44:36] <ahwayakchih> long time ago, but i'll look again[12:47:38] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[12:48:25] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/open-beos/current/src/kernel/glue/arch/x86/crti.S?rev=1.1&view=markup last time i looked in crtstuff it called ctors and dtors[12:48:46] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man now it initializes things through crtbegin from gcc[12:49:14] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man so it may be different than current BeOS[12:53:38] <@mmu_man> I think exceptions might be handled by the elf loader... which is in the kernel[12:57:12] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man i've just added simple printf to unwind-dw2-fde.c (used on BeOS) to be sure it's used and i got this:[12:57:16] <ahwayakchih> libclass::tryit2()::throwing ThrowThis[12:57:22] <ahwayakchih> _Unwind_Find_FDE[12:57:24] <ahwayakchih> _Unwind_Find_FDE[12:57:25] <ahwayakchih> _Unwind_Find_FDE[12:57:26] <ahwayakchih> _Unwind_Find_FDE[12:57:28] <ahwayakchih> _Unwind_Find_FDE[12:57:28] <ahwayakchih> _Unwind_Find_FDE[12:57:29] <ahwayakchih> _Unwind_Find_FDE[12:57:34] <ahwayakchih> got unknown throw[12:57:38] <ahwayakchih> exiting ok :)[12:57:44] <ahwayakchih> Jan 29 11:57:44 <ahwayakchih>[12:58:04] <@mmu_man> exceptions should be banned anyway[12:58:19] <ahwayakchih> so function is used after all, it just looks lik it doesn't find class description, or whatever is needed, to catch proper object[12:58:36] *** bencer has joined #haiku[12:58:38] <bencer> hi ppl[12:59:01] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man hehe, well... unles they aren't banned, and some apps use them heavly (like wesnoth) it would be better to fully support them[12:59:06] <ahwayakchih> hih> hi bencer[12:59:29] <ahwayakchih> some apps use=some apps stop using[13:00:14] <bencer> is there an haiku replacement for beos terminal done ?[13:00:35] <ahwayakchih> bencer i don't know, but i know there are some terminal replacements on bebits already[13:01:01] <ahwayakchih> (they're a bit old, but may work ;)[13:01:02] <bencer> ok thanks let's see[13:01:18] <bencer> terminal with tabs would be very nice :)[13:02:28] <Procton> doesn't all apps have tabs? ;)[13:03:04] <bencer> other thing ... i've seen a screenshot of ssh server running on beos, i think mmu_man had it shared on beshare, where can i find the src or bin ?[13:03:18] <Procton> bug BGA about it.[13:03:48] <Procton> I ported ssh from www.ssh.com, but never got around to release it... sshd was working, but not fullfeatured.[13:04:10] <bencer> and openssh ?[13:04:21] <Procton> that's the version BGA has.[13:04:24] <bencer> it's free, could be part of haiku ?[13:04:58] <Procton> It could, but... I'd rather see it part of a distro rather than haiku.[13:05:22] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man hmm i aded one more printf and it looks like fde object is found... i wonder why i can't catch it properly :([13:05:29] <@mmu_man> bencer I have openssh 3.9p1 ported[13:05:32] <bencer> i agree Procton[13:05:41] <@mmu_man> see patches on beclan[13:05:51] <bencer> mmu_man could you share it on beshare or anywhere ? thanks :)[13:05:53] <bencer> ok[13:05:54] <@mmu_man> it is[13:06:09] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man hmm it looks for objects by comparing addresses so maybe on BeOS it gets it wrong way[13:06:09] <@mmu_man> openssh_3.9p1-BONE7a.zip[13:06:48] <@mmu_man> it requires bone and has some issues because of R5's buggy pipefs[13:07:54] *** Methe has quit IRC[13:07:55] *** Methe_ has joined #haiku[13:08:31] <bencer> i see[13:08:59] <bencer> now downloading ... thanks again :)[13:11:07] <bencer> other issue, the ssh client download in haiku dev resurces section in the web only supports 1.x protocol version, should be updated to a client with protocol v2 support, shouldn't ?[13:12:33] *** Methe has joined #haiku[13:16:03] <@mmu_man> maybe...[13:16:31] <@mmu_man> bencer you'll also need that: clapcrest.free.fr/revol/beos/private/haiku-random-fixed.zip[13:16:36] <@mmu_man> bencer you'll also need that: http://clapcrest.free.fr/revol/beos/private/haiku-random-fixed.zip[13:18:41] <bencer> fine[13:20:21] <@geist> damn it's late[13:20:24] <@geist> why am I still up?[13:22:21] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man geist:[13:22:21] <ahwayakchih> IMAGE: /boot/home/Desktop/gcc-test/./lib/libgcc_s.so.1[13:22:26] <ahwayakchih> *data: 3968591344[13:22:32] <ahwayakchih> data-size: 1732[13:22:45] <ahwayakchih> and later Unwind_Find_FDE finds this:[13:22:54] <ahwayakchih> new object 3968593072[13:23:05] <@mmu_man> arg[13:23:08] <@mmu_man> use HEX[13:23:18] * mmu_man can't read decimals that big[13:23:21] <Dr_Evil> damn its late, why didn't i get up earlier?[13:23:24] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man HEX is harder to read for me :)[13:23:37] <Dr_Evil> ahwayakchih but only for you[13:23:41] <[Beta]> ahwayakchih: thats 4 bytes too small ?[13:24:10] *** Methe_ has quit IRC[13:24:15] <ahwayakchih> Dr_Evil ;[[13:24:35] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] well right, it looks like it finds object 4 bytes before enf od data section[13:24:42] <ahwayakchih> enf=end[13:24:47] <ahwayakchih> od=of[13:25:25] <ahwayakchih> but:[13:25:27] <ahwayakchih> IMAGE: /boot/home/Desktop/gcc-test/./lib/libclass.so[13:25:32] <ahwayakchih> *data: 3993475808[13:25:37] <ahwayakchih> data-size: 68928[13:25:45] <ahwayakchih> and :[13:25:50] <ahwayakchih> new object 3993525112[13:26:01] <ahwayakchih> which is far away from data section[13:26:02] <ahwayakchih> :([13:26:18] <@Korli> mmu_man what's the random driver fix ?[13:26:19] *** bencer_ has joined #haiku[13:26:24] <ahwayakchih> so does it mean that it reads objects wrongly from shared library?[13:26:36] <[Beta]> does that matter thou ahway? I mean, what other symbols are in the libs[13:27:11] *** bencer has quit IRC[13:27:16] *** bencer_ is now known as bencer[13:27:41] <bencer> re[13:29:05] <[Beta]> whats a good size for a code bounty, anyone think? (please, dont say $1mil :p)[13:29:11] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] i'm not sure if it's matter but: catching exception thrown from the same file is ok, but catching exceptions thrown from other file (like shared library) doesn't work - they can only be catched in catch(...)[13:29:30] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man Dr_Evil geist hex values for You :)[13:29:36] <ahwayakchih> IMAGE: /boot/home/Desktop/gcc-test/./lib/libgcc_s.so.1[13:29:40] <ahwayakchih> *data: ec8be5f0[13:29:42] <[Beta]> ahwayakchih: isnt that a good thing? I mean, libraries need to deal with their own exceptions.[13:29:45] *** Undrew has joined #haiku[13:29:46] <ahwayakchih> data-size: 6c4[13:29:53] <[Beta]> or you want debugging or something ?[13:29:54] <ahwayakchih> new object ec8becb0[13:30:02] <ahwayakchih> IMAGE: /boot/home/Desktop/gcc-test/./lib/libclass.so[13:30:06] <ahwayakchih> *data: ee079ae0[13:30:08] <Undrew> anyone familiar with bfs?[13:30:10] <ahwayakchih> data-size: 10d40[13:30:15] <@geist> awesome[13:30:17] <ahwayakchih> new object ec8becb0[13:30:17] <@geist> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97769[13:30:24] <@geist> this guy has some problems[13:30:30] <@geist> it gets better towards the end too[13:30:31] <CIA-8> korli * current/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/audio/emuxki/ (emuxki.c emuxkireg.h): added untested support for Audigy 2 Value[13:31:10] <ahwayakchih> Beta no, for example: library exports some function which may throw exception. application uses that function, and wants to catch exception[13:31:42] <[Beta]> oh, so applications arent catch()ing ?[13:32:06] *** mwilber has joined #haiku[13:32:16] <ahwayakchih> Beta well.. it can catch exception but oonly "unknown" thing, or integer. but it doesn't catch class[13:32:25] <bencer> mmu_man: what's the etc/Ssh.bin file ?[13:32:52] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has joined #haiku[13:32:52] <ahwayakchih> Beta so throw (someclass()); will not be catched in catch(someclass &c);[13:33:32] <ahwayakchih> only in catch(...)[13:33:40] <ahwayakchih> (which is not so useful)[13:34:14] <[Beta]> so the thrown object doesnt have a type defined ?[13:34:28] <[Beta]> could that be a rtti thing? I dont know enough 'bout it really.[13:36:43] <CIA-8> korli * current/src/apps/expander/ExpanderRules.cpp: Removed -v flag for tar expanding as noticed by Fredrik Ekdahl[13:37:55] <@mmu_man> bencer dunno[13:38:01] <@mmu_man> ask google[13:38:07] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man i'm DCC'ing zipped test, it contains binaries so You can check it[13:38:34] <bencer> mmu_man: doesn't work i intsall the fixed random and do ssh-keygen and says PRNG is not seeded[13:38:53] <@mmu_man> make sure you have the latest openssl as well[13:38:56] <ahwayakchih> Beta i don't know. it must be something with shared objects, because catching thrown class within the same file works ok[13:39:02] <@mmu_man> and rescan random[13:39:26] <bencer> ok[13:40:00] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] (so if function throwing class object is located in application, where is catch object located also, it will work)[13:40:14] <[Beta]> right, I get you[13:41:51] *** thaflo has quit IRC[13:42:25] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] i saw that some platforms use own implementation of _Unwind_Find_FDE (linux used glibc based one, darwin has something based on "live_images", there is also code to use libunwind), so i thought that may be a reason it doesn't work on BeOS (there was no BeOS code - even more: shared libgcc wasn't build at all)[13:44:22] <@mmu_man> well gcc3 isn't supported anyway :D[13:45:23] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man ? it works :) it's only BeOS libraries which can't be used (except parts of C code)[13:48:49] *** TuneTracker has quit IRC[13:50:10] <[Beta]> ahwayakchih: how is it with *our* new libaries, exceptions dont work either ?[13:50:45] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] "our"?[13:51:16] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] if You build with gcc 2x exceptions are catched properly[13:51:34] <[Beta]> oic[13:51:41] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] but AFAIK BeAPI doesn't use exceptions at all[13:51:57] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] still if You build lib and app with 2.x it will work ok[13:52:35] <[Beta]> well, with the BeAPI, you dont need exceptions tbh. B_WHATEVER is good enough, no ?[13:52:38] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] of course catching 2x thrown object in 3x code will not work for sure :)[13:53:21] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] well.. i don't need exceptions any way, i don't like them - IMHO they're just another type of goto mess[13:53:22] <ahwayakchih> :)[13:53:33] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] but some ported apps use them[13:53:42] <[Beta]> I think they're a very good idea in Java..[13:54:06] *** Sg_Henry has joined #haiku[13:54:27] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] for example if i could find a way to make them work in 3x properly, i could make Wesnoth package smaller by about 4-5MB :)[13:54:32] <[Beta]> ahwayakchih: we'll have to convince peeps to make 'em native :)[13:54:46] <[Beta]> 5mb really? wow.[13:55:44] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] yeah, because right now (well.. and on other platforms too) each of it's binaries is build with everything in. so wesnoth has all object files, wesnoth_editor has own object files + wesnoth's object fiels, etc...[13:57:07] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] if exceptions worked properly across files, i could make wesnoth_editor be linked to wesnoth, so it would be ~450 KB instead of 3.77MB[13:57:54] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] similar for wesnoth_server and wesnoth_campaign_server, plus 2 other tools (though those 4 are less than 1MB already, they could be even smaller:)[13:58:46] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[14:03:25] <Dr_Evil> geist this guy has real problems: ------- Additional Comment #10 From Terry James 2005-01-26 21:44 -------[14:03:58] <Dr_Evil> while the original bugreport somehow made sense, his additional comments are very bad[14:04:26] <[Beta]> talking to himself, yeah..[14:06:02] <[Beta]> http://haiku-os.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=315[14:06:27] <CIA-8> korli * current/headers/posix/stdio.h:[14:06:27] <CIA-8> added setbuf, setvbuf, setbuffer and setlinebuf prototypes[14:06:27] <CIA-8> implemented by libio[14:06:35] *** thaflo has joined #haiku[14:08:33] <Dr_Evil> [Beta] wow, that guy must have a lot of money to spend![14:09:23] <[Beta]> heh[14:09:38] <[Beta]> oh, I forgot the clause.. no money to yT :p[14:09:45] <[Beta]> I jest[14:10:08] <Dr_Evil> is that your post?[14:10:35] * [Beta] compares nicks[14:10:37] <[Beta]> I think so[14:12:00] *** Undrew has quit IRC[14:14:58] <Dr_Evil> how many thousand $ are you going to invest?[14:16:07] *** AtomoZero has joined #haiku[14:16:20] <[Beta]> hah, it'll be small, Dr_Evil[14:16:32] <[Beta]> similiar to the current ones available[14:18:40] <Dr_Evil> but that won't be enough to pay a developer then[14:18:55] <[Beta]> it's incentive for the hobby coders that work now..[14:20:07] <[Beta]> plus, maybe Haiku Inc. will consider a bounty aswell? they're getting donations now.[14:23:28] <fyysik> hmm. I'm wondering about bounties and Dr_Evils fast ethernet drivers. Form one side he asks money for those, from other - i saw something about those in haiku tree - what is real license there?[14:23:30] <mmu_man> [Beta] a side effect of yT paying me is I can work on haiku also...[14:23:41] <[Beta]> mmu_man: I know :)[14:23:47] <@mmu_man> not as much as I 'd like to cause of schedule[14:24:10] <@mmu_man> bahhh there is an ugly double free somewhere in IM::Manager :-([14:24:15] <@mmu_man> no wonder im_saver crashes[14:24:20] <[Beta]> but, honestly, i'd prefer to put some money onto some random person doing a bluetooth stack, than buying a copy of Zeta just for me.[14:24:22] <@Korli> hey fyysik[14:24:27] <[Beta]> unless yT promise they'll make one[14:24:31] <fyysik> hi Korli[14:24:42] <@Korli> do you have some final diff for emuxki ?[14:24:58] <@mmu_man> hmm, no free/delete in the code, odd[14:25:12] <[Beta]> fyysik: I always wondered if we paid him enough he'd change the license...[14:25:14] <fyysik> Korli - at least i have stable version, which differs a bit from last emuxki.c i sent you[14:25:18] <[Beta]> doubt it though, he's Evil.[14:25:36] <@Korli> fyysik please send a diff then[14:26:00] <[Beta]> I really dont understand the dog icon for Tracker. its soo not Be-like.[14:26:05] <Dr_Evil> [Beta] zeta does not have a bluetooth stack[14:26:06] <fyysik> ok, minute[14:26:19] <[Beta]> Dr_Evil: I know.[14:26:26] <[Beta]> hence argument.[14:26:33] <[Beta]> unless you didnt mean to say "not"[14:26:54] <Dr_Evil> I meant: [Beta] zeta does not have a bluetooth stack[14:27:06] <[Beta]> I knew that already.[14:27:59] <ahwayakchih> cya[14:28:01] <ahwayakchih> everyone[14:28:02] *** ahwayakchih has quit IRC[14:34:46] <fyysik> Dr_Evil - btw, i have feeling that mixer 0.4 takes more CPU than 0.2. Is it possible?[14:36:21] <@Korli> fyysik with version did you diff against ?[14:36:53] *** Undrew has joined #haiku[14:37:57] <fyysik> hm, Korli - how can i say that? I think i got it from haiku somewhere in December. So diff is made agains December version.[14:38:29] <fyysik> but as there were problems with CVS, i got it from Jack Burton who has local copy[14:39:46] <fyysik> Korli - i can send you that version[14:40:20] <@Korli> fyysik i was confused because you reversed the diff[14:40:20] <fyysik> ahh[14:40:55] <@Korli> "set_dprintf_enabled(true);" is it useful ,[14:40:55] <fyysik> also there are set_dprintf_enabled() which you don't need and maybe some outcommented lock()s[14:40:56] <@Korli> ?[14:41:01] <fyysik> no[14:41:03] <@Korli> ok[14:41:09] <fyysik> it is for debug only[14:41:29] <fyysik> also as set_dprintf_enabled(false);[14:46:19] *** AtomoZero has quit IRC[14:46:24] *** lordcoxis has joined #haiku[14:47:15] <@Korli> is it useful to move HCFG config ?[14:48:31] <fyysik> Korli - dunno, but it was place where code usually crashed at[14:49:53] <fyysik> i'm not so competent as you, but after experiments i found that with this placement it is reliable for my sad case[14:50:12] <@Korli> even if you just move interrupt code ?[14:50:25] <fyysik> yup[14:50:48] <@Korli> the problem with this move is audigy2 code is moved as well[14:50:59] <fyysik> ik> i can try to put it back, but it will need whole week for real testing[14:51:22] <fyysik> as it may not crash day or two, but then suddenly start to crash again[14:51:51] <fyysik> do you have Audigy2 card atm ?[14:51:55] <@Korli> no[14:52:07] <fyysik> ant creative card at all?[14:52:10] <@Korli> no[14:52:13] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[14:52:13] <fyysik> s/any/ant[14:52:33] <fyysik> oh, but how you wrote such complicate piece of code?[14:52:42] <@Korli> i> i had such cards[14:53:36] <fyysik> do you dislike that EMU_A_IOCFG_GPOUT0 remains at old place while EMU_HCFG is moved to new?[14:54:49] <fyysik> ik> i can try to place HCFG back[14:54:59] <@Korli> there is Audigy2 code in emuxki_init so moving from before to after this function call is risky (and i can't test this)[14:55:22] <@Korli> anyway i'm committing part of your diff[14:55:54] <@Korli> i'm sending you the new file, this way you can tell me if it's better[14:57:02] *** fyysik has quit IRC[14:58:04] *** Undrew has left #haiku[14:58:18] *** illissius has quit IRC[14:58:21] <CIA-8> korli * current/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/audio/emuxki/emuxki.c: Patch from Sergei "fyysik" Dolgov, adds stability hopefully[14:58:34] *** illissius has joined #haiku[14:59:28] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[14:59:41] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[15:00:20] <fyysik> [Beta] - did you see that bounty case?:) You can send to Korli set of Creative Labs cards, to allow him to support driver he wrote before:)[15:00:46] <[Beta]> i've got a `SB Live 1024 Player` that i'd happily give up :)[15:01:07] <[Beta]> it is live atm, but I could rip it out.. :p[15:01:27] <fyysik> pun-pun[15:01:40] <@Korli> fyysik i didn't explain : i still have these cards but with only a laptop i can't use them[15:01:54] <fyysik> ahhh![15:01:58] <[Beta]> oh, you want a PC too ?[15:02:08] <fyysik> so situation is bit invereted[15:02:51] *** qwm has joined #haiku[15:03:00] <fyysik> me wonders if there are USBtoPCI or PCMCIAtoPCI adapters, to use PCI cards with laptops:[15:03:09] <@Korli> i'm thinking to change this situation[15:03:31] <[Beta]> Korli: want one of the new creative labs pcmcia sound cards?[15:04:34] * fyysik has 5.1 audio inside laptops, but gready IBM had intentionally cat all those "extra" features in this model - no rear output, no PS/2 output, no COM-port output - nothing[15:04:42] <fyysik> that's branding[15:05:04] <fyysik> s/cat/cut off/[15:05:20] <fyysik> no IR even[15:06:51] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[15:07:06] <mwilber> fyysik: Do you know where I can find instructions on how to get the Sept.10 FireFox-netserver build working?[15:08:24] <CIA-8> phoudoin * current/src/tests/add-ons/print/transports/main.cpp:[15:08:24] <CIA-8> Added feature: allow to send data from a file (think "Print To File" output) thru[15:08:24] <CIA-8> the loaded print transport add-on.[15:10:00] <fyysik> mwilber - ghm, better as mmadia or LoLL to build new one for netserver. Last builds are OK with starting, but i don't know if there is netserver version built already[15:10:18] <fyysik> maybe on LoLL/Jeannot french site[15:11:35] <mwilber> fyysik: Ok, I'll try that.[15:11:54] <fyysik> Korli - were changes made also in *reg.h file???[15:12:09] <@Korli> yeah added a reg for audigy2 value[15:12:56] <mwilber> fyysik: Can you provide a URL, I can't seem to find this site?[15:13:09] <fyysik> mwilber - i will try[15:14:13] *** qwm_ has quit IRC[15:14:28] <fyysik> http://ljr.free.fr/ - mwilber[15:14:44] *** bencer has quit IRC[15:14:50] <mwilber> Thanks![15:15:00] <fyysik> ahh, it seems he made only BONE versions[15:15:18] <mwilber> Bummer. I guess I'll have to go with regular Mozilla then...[15:15:36] <fyysik> mwilber - use 1.7a netserver[15:15:47] <fyysik> it is fastest browser among others[15:15:56] <@Korli> http://jerome.duval.free.fr/obos/haiku-emuxki-cvs-20050129.zip[15:16:08] <fyysik> faster than any firefox for BeOS made until now[15:17:00] <fyysik> mwilber - untill we get all patches into cvs, those version of Mozilla will be more featured and fast than FF:)[15:17:04] <fyysik> or :([15:17:18] <mwilber> Can I get 1.7a netserver from the BeBits page?[15:17:52] <fyysik> http://bebits.com/bob/18219/mozilla-i586-pc-beos-netserver-O3-bthreads-20050110-22.tar.gz mwilber[15:18:54] <fyysik> it has some focus issues, but not so critical (probably due Japanese Inline Input patchincluded)[15:19:22] <mwilber> Thanks! I just downloaded and installed it. It appears to be working.[15:19:35] <fyysik> at least AGMS is very satisfied with that version[15:19:53] *** bs0 has joined #haiku[15:20:00] <mwilber> I had an older working FireFox build, but I lost that and was getting by with NetPositive. But, I just can't make due without tabbed browsing.[15:20:35] <bs0> tic thanks for blaming me...[15:20:41] *** bs0 has left #haiku[15:20:42] <fyysik> mwilber - look if tabbed browsing is set by default in Mozilla.[15:21:29] <fyysik> ik> i got once funny situation when very experienced user and programmer jonaskirill told me that he prefers FireFox because Mozilla lacks tabbed browsing[15:21:41] <fyysik> while it was there long ago before any Firefox :)[15:21:57] <mwilber> Hehehhe :)[15:22:21] <mwilber> Yep, it is there: ALT-T creates a new tab.[15:22:58] <fyysik> mwilber - try middle-click and Ctrl-Click on links[15:23:10] <fyysik> if it isn't opening link in new tab - set it[15:23:18] <mwilber> Hmm.. Middle click opens a new window by default[15:23:30] <fyysik> mwilber - yeah, it is in preferences[15:23:33] <fyysik> to change that[15:23:55] <fyysik> wondering why Mozilla people didn't put it by default[15:24:21] *** lymon has joined #haiku[15:25:01] <mwilber> Yeah, it really seems strange. Everyone I know that knows of tabbed browsing prefers it much better than opening a billion windows everywhere.[15:25:20] <fyysik> don't tell it to true MS users[15:25:34] <fyysik> they hate it and need your belowed windows back[15:25:54] <fyysik> s//their belowed windows/[15:26:02] * fyysik is hungry[15:26:03] <mwilber> I don't associate often with true MS users :)[15:26:15] <fyysik> and stupid at the moment[15:26:26] * fyysik needs some food - so away[15:30:00] *** TLF has joined #haiku[15:30:56] *** lymon has quit IRC[15:37:02] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has quit IRC[15:38:37] *** lordcoxis has quit IRC[15:47:02] *** qwm_ has joined #haiku[15:52:02] <TLF> anyone wants a gmail account?[15:52:12] *** frankps has joined #haiku[15:53:15] <[Beta]> nah, got too many invites myself[16:02:09] *** qwm has quit IRC[16:03:18] <CIA-8> phoudoin * current/src/add-ons/print/transports/hp_jetdirect/ (HPJetDirectTransport.cpp Jamfile): NETWORK_LIBS awareness: now link automaticly against right network target's libraries.[16:03:20] *** lymon has joined #haiku[16:03:31] *** TLF has quit IRC[16:05:53] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[16:06:45] <CIA-8> phoudoin * current/Jamrules: Added lib[b]netapi.so to NETWORK_LIBS.[16:13:51] <@mmu_man> plop[16:14:14] *** alphakiller has joined #haiku[16:14:40] <DaaT> bork mmu_man[16:15:17] * mmu_man has a nice new screensaver[16:19:05] *** nPHYN1T3 has joined #haiku[16:21:38] *** TLF has joined #haiku[16:23:03] *** __nitro__ has joined #haiku[16:25:13] <CIA-8> phoudoin * current/src/kernel/libroot/posix/sys/uname.c: Added more fields length safety.[16:26:14] *** lymon has quit IRC[16:32:14] *** Potn has joined #haiku[16:33:17] *** mene has joined #haiku[16:34:36] <@mmu_man> http://clapcrest.free.fr/revol/beos/im_saver_02.zip[16:34:38] <fyysik> mmu_man - is bash UTF-8 problem fixed already in Zeta or Haiku?[16:35:08] <@mmu_man> the edit-in-readline-shifts-chars-around one ? not yet[16:35:44] <fyysik> :([16:35:52] *** lymon has joined #haiku[16:36:48] <@mmu_man> it's on my todo[16:39:09] <tic> wow, that bs0 kid has really gone nuts.[16:39:25] <DaaT> mmu_man, that's andrea's screensaver right? cool[16:40:03] <@mmu_man> yep[16:40:12] <@mmu_man> I added a redirection feature[16:40:15] <fyysik> nuts ? kid? what happened?[16:40:16] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[16:40:21] <@mmu_man> so you can use your prefered saver[16:40:34] <tic> fyysik, www.zeta-looks.org basically.[16:40:39] <DaaT> ah cool[16:41:19] <fyysik> heh, BeDoper is dead[16:41:27] <fyysik> Zeta needs something[16:42:03] *** tqh has joined #haiku[16:42:16] * tqh pops in[16:42:26] <tic> tja tqh[16:42:44] <@mmu_man> fyysik rigtho...[16:42:56] <tqh> tja[16:43:01] <@mmu_man> but bedoper did with style[16:43:10] <DaaT> true[16:44:14] <tic> zeta-looks.org is just nasty.[16:44:24] <tic> ^^^ my take on it, including the comments...[16:44:38] <fyysik> hi tqh![16:45:11] <tqh> hi, I'm going to review your patch now, I've been away this week[16:46:56] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[16:47:09] <fyysik> tic - are you sure that that is work by bs0? There are lot of polish users, and there are even wars there - Zeta-fans against Haiku-fans against pure-classic BeOs fans[16:47:49] <tic> fyysik, it said "0dna" everywhere on that site. and while "babajaga" wrote the code, bs0dna (phillip) has done most of the content.[16:48:11] <tic> he's often on irc using the nick bs0 nowadays, used to be bs0dna[16:49:51] <fyysik> ahh[16:49:58] <fyysik> ik> i c[16:51:10] *** geist has quit IRC[16:53:09] <fyysik> lymon - did you share your experience with people here already? about that mmu problem? Or waiting for axeld?[16:54:06] <@mmu_man> talking about me ? :D[16:54:11] <fyysik> heh[16:54:16] <lymon> i wrote a letter to axeld and wait him for discussion[16:54:31] <fyysik> are you using nick mmu_init sometimes, mmu_man ?[16:54:32] <lymon> mmu_man, haiku needs new memory layout in bootloader[16:55:15] * mmu_man needs a new brain layout, to many bottlenecks[16:55:42] <@mmu_man> if only I could activate DMA for transfers between hemispheres[16:55:46] <fyysik> refactor it, mmu_man. www.refactorit.com[16:55:51] <fyysik> free for personal use[16:55:59] <@mmu_man> :)[16:56:31] <fyysik> all is possible[16:57:04] <fyysik> it appears, for example, that blind people use visual zones in brain for listening[16:57:12] <tqh> fyysik patch reviewed. Nice that you added commenting.[16:57:25] <fyysik> commenting?[16:57:31] <fyysik> ahh[16:57:47] <fyysik> do you mean long explanation of patch?[16:57:58] <@mmu_man> fyysik yep, on /. they talked about tongue-based video input:)[16:58:02] * mmu_man wants a tongue-tty[16:58:07] <tic> ttty? :)[16:58:20] <@mmu_man> terminal[16:59:15] <tic> yeah, but wouldn't that be a ttty?[16:59:19] <tic> (note the extra t)[16:59:58] <@mmu_man> yeh[17:00:07] <tic> what are you working on, mmu_man?[17:00:22] <@mmu_man> [1/29 16:55] (255) MYOB: apparently the BeOS abiword port code is being chucked tonight, according to their mailing list[17:00:26] <@mmu_man> tic a lot[17:00:35] <tic> mmu_man, for example?[17:00:50] <tic> heh, you don't use Zeta? :)[17:00:57] *** lymon has quit IRC[17:01:01] <fyysik> wasn't it cleaned out from CVS 2 years ago, mmu_man ?[17:01:27] <@mmu_man> dunno[17:04:07] <Konrad> Daniel furrer and some guy from Japan worked on it for a while, maybe it was in the early 2004..[17:04:41] <Konrad> Sad noone took the chance to bring a good text/word-processing app to BeOS[17:04:47] <@Korli> fyysik did you test the patch i sent you ? or the driver binary on my website ?[17:05:24] *** TLF has quit IRC[17:05:50] <fyysik> tried it under windows some time ago. That AbiWord. Idiots. They use for russian KOI-8 encoding for UI and files, while there is Win-1251 everywhere. So you see "crypted" UI instead normal. And now way to change that besides compile it by self[17:05:53] *** ConneX has quit IRC[17:06:25] <fyysik> Korli - i downloaded it, but i cannot reboot machine. For about next hour too[17:06:55] <fyysik> hope building process finishes in next hour[17:07:17] <@Korli> ok[17:07:19] <fyysik> 4.5 hours for Mozilla[17:07:54] <Konrad> fyysik ever tried to build Thunderbird lateley?[17:09:05] <tic> ever... lately. Which one? :P[17:09:10] <@mmu_man> hmm odd the PopUpMenu in deskbar addon is run with async=true[17:09:14] <@mmu_man> btu it still locks up deskbar[17:09:31] *** phoudoin has joined #haiku[17:09:39] <tic> hey phoudoin[17:09:41] <tic> phoudoin, 'sup?[17:09:59] <Konrad> tic I guess I meant lateley then.[17:10:08] <DaaT> hi phoudoin[17:10:25] <tic> Konrad, yeah, I know. It's easy to make mistakes :) You should see the English I write at work, yuck.[17:10:31] <phoudoin> hi guys[17:10:48] <tic> phoudoin, left networking completely?[17:11:04] <phoudoin> well, I try to catch up with Haiku project recent changes...[17:11:08] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[17:11:23] <@Korli> hi phoudoin[17:11:30] <phoudoin> I left most of my pet projects lately, unfortunatly.[17:11:34] <@mmu_man> plop phoudoin[17:11:40] <phoudoin> Haiku included.[17:11:55] <@Korli> phoudoin there is a versioning system change planned too[17:12:22] <tic> phoudoin, planning on getting back?[17:12:30] <phoudoin> Today is a good day, as I've found some time to work on some of the pending issue, starting with a bug report about my HP JetDirect print transport addon.[17:12:41] <tic> whee[17:12:56] <@mmu_man> phoudoin we'll have to enable threading in MESA someday :p[17:13:15] <phoudoin> Korli: well, I'm already used to svn, so I should not be hit that much by such change.[17:13:22] *** tear_dr0p has joined #haiku[17:13:55] <phoudoin> mmu_man: it's already there, but unfortunatly MESA thread handling is done with "one context per thread" in mind.[17:14:29] <phoudoin> Not "multithread context sharing" in mind.[17:14:41] <@mmu_man> I see[17:14:44] <phoudoin> And that's the issue I need to fix in Mesa BeOS port, indeed.[17:15:30] <phoudoin> Lately, I dive into DRI drivers code to help Rudolf understand how Mesa / DRI driver interface works.[17:16:25] <phoudoin> Highly complex interface. But that's the cost of hardware acceleration...[17:16:28] <@mmu_man> brb[17:16:35] <tic> that'd be great, I'm on an NV36 chipset here :)[17:17:08] <phoudoin> tic: Sure, gettting back is still there, and in fact I today looks at the duplicated uname() exported by both our libroot.so and libnet.so.[17:17:16] *** tqh has quit IRC[17:17:36] <tic> phoudoin, great! so it's basically lack of time?[17:17:53] <phoudoin> And I've a skeleton usb_printer driver to commit too. Need write a Jamfile before and run more tests.[17:18:18] <phoudoin> Oh yeah, lack of time, one and only reason I'm away from Haiku/BeOS these days.[17:18:43] <tic> good. or bad. ;) but at least you're not away from it because of lack of motivation.[17:18:48] <tic> that's harder to fix.[17:27:34] * fyysik goes to try emuxki binary - build stopped on bug anyway[17:28:43] <fyysik> cold reboot for test[17:28:49] <fyysik> bbl[17:28:51] *** fyysik has quit IRC[17:29:34] *** Konrad has quit IRC[17:30:05] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[17:32:30] *** AtomoZero has joined #haiku[17:33:50] <DaaT> hi AtomoZero[17:38:12] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[17:39:03] <fyysik> KDL, Korli[17:39:34] <fyysik> "switch *something* after sysinit"[17:41:57] <fyysik> so it was essential to have at least part of that HCFG at place where i put it[17:42:31] <@mmu_man> fyysik other cpus ?[17:43:26] <fyysik> Korli - this HCFG goes after emuxki_init in case of SB Live too. And works ok. Why do you think it will be bad for Audigy2?[17:43:33] <fyysik> mmu_man ?[17:43:59] <@Korli> fyysik could try next week[17:44:12] <@mmu_man> hmm oh no it's init_other_cpu_after_stack_switch[17:44:33] <@mmu_man> sysinit1_after_stack_switch ?[17:44:51] <fyysik> mmu_man - don't care. That crash may produce any report in any place and thread. Depends on timing coincidence[17:45:01] <fyysik> mmu_man - yeah, like that second[17:45:30] <phoudoin> bye guys, should give bath to my son.[17:45:40] *** phoudoin has quit IRC[17:46:38] <fyysik> mmu_man - according my guesses it happens if first instance of driver is still alive, and second is initialising. So if some interrupt-provocing event happens - you are doomed. I fixed it for myself here, but Korli doubts if it may be bad for Audigy 2[17:46:45] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[17:47:00] <@mmu_man> eh[17:48:08] <@Korli> fyysik we can hope it works ok with this move[17:48:19] <fyysik> putting my driver back. Vesa mode suxx:)[17:49:26] <fyysik> Korli - as i understand you forgot your code a bit, but maybe you can make guess on another issue?[17:49:51] <fyysik> rear-speakers are clicking silently with regular interval.[17:50:00] <fyysik> like 2 or 1.5 Hz[17:50:24] <fyysik> no problem when playing something[17:50:38] <fyysik> but audible when idle[17:54:41] *** tqh has joined #haiku[17:55:43] <@Korli> fyysik can' tell[17:56:38] *** ConneX has joined #haiku[17:56:44] <fyysik> ok[17:56:47] <fyysik> reboot[17:56:52] *** fyysik has quit IRC[17:57:41] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[17:59:39] *** AtomoZero has quit IRC[17:59:41] *** Korli2 has joined #haiku[17:59:53] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[17:59:58] <fyysik> now OK[18:00:08] <Korli2> ll[18:01:49] *** __nitro__ has quit IRC[18:07:12] *** fyysik has quit IRC[18:07:47] *** __nitro__ has joined #haiku[18:09:11] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[18:11:30] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[18:11:54] <fyysik> heh, that clicking wasn't driver issue. Neither card issue:)[18:12:56] <fyysik> too long cab;e connecting computer and rear amplifier[18:13:02] <Korli2> hmm[18:13:07] <fyysik> so gets some interference[18:13:22] <Korli2> can i give you another driver binary ?[18:13:28] <fyysik> sure[18:15:23] <alphakiller> has anyone worked with VESA ?[18:15:58] <alphakiller> I'm playing with it in the protected mode, in my own OS ..[18:16:03] <alphakiller> but I'm having some problems ..[18:16:03] <alphakiller> hehe[18:16:09] <alphakiller> I'm using a realmode portal[18:16:14] <alphakiller> to do the rm calls[18:16:31] * fyysik hope the OS is written in assembler:)[18:16:42] <alphakiller> oh ..[18:16:52] <alphakiller> part of it[18:17:11] <fyysik> or vice versa, in Visual Basic[18:17:11] <alphakiller> fyysik: have you played with Vesa ?[18:17:39] <fyysik> no, that's why i'm joking. to hide my incompetence[18:17:41] <tic> fyysik, equally bad for writing an OS? :)[18:18:01] <fyysik> tic - heh, how did you know?:)[18:18:03] *** qwm has joined #haiku[18:18:04] <alphakiller> oh, jeez .. I just realized that I'm talking on Haiku[18:18:05] <alphakiller> hehehe[18:18:09] <alphakiller> not on #osdev[18:18:17] <Methe> :)[18:18:43] <sys2> haha :>[18:18:56] <DaaT> well, here ppl are developing an os[18:18:56] <DaaT> :)[18:19:08] <fyysik> unfortunately IRC dislikes haiku.[18:19:11] <fyysik> poetry[18:19:11] <alphakiller> once upon a time, I contributed on Blue Eyed OS[18:19:26] <alphakiller> in a BMessage class[18:19:32] <alphakiller> *the[18:19:33] <fyysik> try to put those 3 lines here, and you 'll be kicked out for the flood[18:20:00] <alphakiller> ?[18:20:24] <fyysik> 3 lines of haiku[18:20:43] <alphakiller> have you heard about Blue Eyed OS ?[18:21:06] <fyysik> lead by Gillaume?[18:21:09] <alphakiller> well, I think the project died[18:21:25] <alphakiller> yes[18:21:29] *** qwm_ has quit IRC[18:21:29] <alphakiller> He was a nice guy ...[18:21:42] <alphakiller> but the project's directives sux ...[18:21:57] <fyysik> it was doomed, IMHO - who needs yet another Linux WM, inspite how you call it[18:22:16] <alphakiller> well, it implemented BeOS API on top of it ..[18:22:17] <alphakiller> really[18:22:31] <alphakiller> I coded the BMessage[18:22:36] <fyysik> who needs BeOS API...outside BeOS[18:22:48] <alphakiller> but the project sucked on the fact of being based on linux[18:22:54] <alphakiller> I proposed my OS :)[18:22:55] <alphakiller> hehehe[18:22:56] <Methe> btw I wondered recently. Is still AtheOS developed ?[18:22:56] <fyysik> C-fans will use GTK anyway, and C++ - Qt/KDE[18:23:07] <alphakiller> Methe: Syllable OS[18:23:10] <Sg_Henry> yes[18:23:20] <Sg_Henry> Syllable still under development[18:23:20] <Methe> ok. was just wondering[18:23:37] <Sg_Henry> but It is really an AtheOS fork[18:23:37] <alphakiller> mine is The Damn Small OS :)[18:23:48] <Sg_Henry> AtheOS itself was abandoned[18:23:53] <alphakiller> an 29 17:23:53 <alphakiller> a C/Asm OS, with an api based on Java[18:23:54] <Methe> oh[18:23:55] <Methe> ok[18:24:02] <Sg_Henry> (its developer bought an airplane and sold the PC)[18:24:11] <fyysik> heh - lymon who visits this channel sometimes, is also writing his own OS[18:24:12] <Methe> Sg_Henry: ahah :DD[18:24:16] <fyysik> with name MeOS[18:24:26] <fyysik> based on NewOS[18:24:47] <Methe> if peeps go on like that, everybody gonna have his personal OS[18:24:56] <Sg_Henry> :D[18:24:59] <Methe> bless network protocols for being universal[18:25:02] <Sg_Henry> Sg_HenryOS[18:25:03] * fyysik think himself being freak and antisocial here - as he don't write his won OS[18:25:16] <Methe> fyysik: ahah :)[18:25:23] <fyysik> own[18:26:19] <Methe> u're waiting for Haiku's kernel to e over and fork it! I know it ![18:26:25] <Methe> =)[18:26:58] <fyysik> does somone know proper books? "Learn to Write OS in 7 days" or "Write YourOS in 7 days" ?[18:27:09] <Methe> yeah[18:27:10] <Methe> sure[18:27:11] *** shackan_ has joined #haiku[18:27:11] <alphakiller> www.osdever.net[18:27:13] <Methe> got a better one[18:27:15] <Sg_Henry> everybody should fork one time in his life[18:27:22] <Methe> write your own os in a single tet file[18:27:25] <Methe> this one rox[18:27:26] <alphakiller> you won't write one in a week[18:27:27] *** Karina`` has quit IRC[18:27:36] <fyysik> ok[18:27:42] <alphakiller> but it's possible to write one :>D[18:27:49] * tqh was planning to write his own OS long time ago, but then he found BeOS R3[18:27:50] <fyysik> "Write YourOS in 21 days" ?[18:28:01] <shackan_> uh?[18:28:04] <alphakiller> Write your os in 60 days[18:28:05] <alphakiller> at least[18:28:06] <Sg_Henry> "OS writting for Dummies"[18:28:06] <alphakiller> :D[18:28:30] <Methe> ahah[18:28:36] <Methe> chapter 1 - The keyboard[18:28:44] <Methe> chapter 2 - The network stack[18:28:46] <Methe> =)[18:28:48] <fyysik> no, 60 days is too long. Any dummy will loose his mativation[18:28:55] <shackan_> chapter 0 - the power button ![18:28:56] <Korli2> fyysik http://jerome.duval.free.fr/obos/haiku-emuxki-cvs-20050129.zip[18:29:25] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[18:29:31] <tqh> 'Chapter 10 - Giving Up'[18:29:36] <Sg_Henry> :D[18:30:00] <alphakiller> I'm writing mine since 4 years ago[18:30:04] <alphakiller> reasearching, etc ..[18:30:04] <alphakiller> hehehe[18:30:17] <alphakiller> this current approach, since past july[18:30:17] <shackan_> chapter 11 - after giving up, how to make money selling a book about writing an os ![18:30:33] <fyysik> Korli2 - what your computer clock shows at the moment?[18:30:47] <Korli2> 18:36[18:30:52] <Sg_Henry> he he he, we really can write a book[18:31:01] <Sg_Henry> Haiku: The making of[18:31:12] <fyysik> Korli2 - weird. Binary is dated as modified at 7:57[18:31:39] <fyysik> anyway. reboot[18:31:53] *** fyysik has quit IRC[18:32:18] <tic> Sg_Henry, yup, just copy the changelogs from CVS ;)[18:32:32] <Methe> tic: huhu ;D[18:32:33] <CIA-8> bonefish * current/build/.cvsignore: Ignore libgccObjects and Timezones.[18:32:43] <tic> see? ^^^ ;D[18:32:49] <CIA-8> mwilber * current/src/kits/interface/Alert.cpp: Fixed drawing and placement of buttons on Alert box.[18:33:00] <Methe> GO HAIKU GO[18:33:44] <mwilber> Hehehe, it sure would be nice to have someone cheer me on every time I make a code check in at my day job :)[18:33:46] <CIA-8> bonefish * current/src/kits/app/Application.cpp: Disabled debugging. Was accidentally committed.[18:34:17] <Methe> mwilber ok I will :)[18:34:23] <CIA-8> bonefish * current/src/tests/kits/app/common/CommonTestApp.cpp: Missing initialization of members in the second constructor.[18:35:57] *** Karina`` has joined #haiku[18:36:43] <CIA-8> bonefish * current/src/kits/app/Messenger.cpp: Consequently use B_{NULL,PREFERRED}_TOKEN to prevent problems with BMessage code checking against B_NULL_TOKEN.[18:38:31] *** fyy_laptop has joined #haiku[18:39:13] *** fyy_laptop has quit IRC[18:39:40] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[18:40:12] <fyysik> no crash but will test more[18:40:24] <fyysik> shotdown for 15 minutes[18:40:29] *** fyysik has quit IRC[18:43:22] *** alphakiller has quit IRC[18:44:09] <CIA-8> bonefish * current/src/kits/app/Message.cpp: (log message trimmed)[18:44:09] <CIA-8> * Added Dump() to BMessage::Header for debugging purposes.[18:44:09] <CIA-8> * In BMessage::Header::ReadFrom(DataIO &) the checksum was checked before[18:44:09] <CIA-8> the fBodySize field was initialized, which could make[18:44:09] <CIA-8> BMessage::Unflatten() fail.[18:44:09] <CIA-8> * Calculate the header checksum now by writing the header to a buffer and[18:44:11] <CIA-8> checksumming that. This is simpler and avoids problems when something[18:44:31] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[18:45:22] <CIA-8> bonefish * current/headers/private/app/MessagePrivate.h: Consequently use B_PREFERRED_TOKEN when the preferred target is addressed.[18:47:35] <CIA-8> bonefish * current/src/servers/registrar/ (MessageDeliverer.h MessageDeliverer.cpp): Added another DeliverMessage version for broadcasting.[18:49:55] <CIA-8> bonefish * current/src/servers/registrar/ (MessageRunnerManager.cpp TRoster.cpp Watcher.cpp): Now we use the MessageDeliverer to send asynchronous messages to other apps. Seems to work when the target port is not full. The other case has not been tested yet.[19:02:18] *** alphakiller has joined #haiku[19:03:01] *** pres589 has quit IRC[19:04:14] *** pres589 has joined #haiku[19:09:03] *** MikeW has quit IRC[19:09:17] *** alphakiller has quit IRC[19:10:54] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[19:11:59] <fyysik> Korli - what did you change? No crash but same effect as my intermidiate version - MediaApps cannot start, including media Preferences, and when Media Settings app is started - no SB there[19:13:32] *** illissius- has joined #haiku[19:14:42] <Korli2> fyysik i moved the HCFG part and the reset of num_cards in shutdown[19:15:00] <Korli2> sorry in uninit_driver[19:15:31] * fyysik wonders how fine and misterious is drivers nature[19:16:19] <Korli2> gcc is 20041202[19:16:38] <fyysik> same here[19:16:51] *** illissius has quit IRC[19:17:34] <fyysik> cannot even restart MediaServices, after put old driver back. Media add-on server won't quit.[19:17:37] <fyysik> Reboot[19:17:42] *** fyysik has quit IRC[19:17:43] <Korli2> hmm[19:19:51] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[19:23:03] *** illissius_ has joined #haiku[19:23:52] *** alphakiller has joined #haiku[19:25:34] *** Potn has quit IRC[19:26:14] <Korli2> fyysik is it better ? i can add log info if you want[19:26:34] <Korli2> orli2> or i send you the source file so that you can try[19:30:35] *** khorben_ has quit IRC[19:31:01] <matricks> GAH[19:31:09] <fyysik> it isn't good as i said[19:31:14] <fyysik> it isn't good as i said[19:31:19] <fyysik> it hangs badly[19:31:21] <matricks> anyone know where I can get jam for win32? or the jam source?[19:31:30] <fyysik> as my intermidiate version, Korli2[19:31:52] <fyysik> MediaPreferences cannot start as any Media app[19:32:02] <fyysik> and then media-addon-server cannot quite[19:32:04] <fyysik> quit[19:32:31] *** illissius- has quit IRC[19:38:32] *** alphakiller has quit IRC[19:38:37] <Korli2> fyysik i understand but no idea[19:39:36] <Korli2> can you access our cvs ?[19:41:09] <fyysik> to checkout?[19:41:29] <fyysik> didn't try after move to Dr_Evil's site and svn[19:41:47] <Korli2> hmm ?[19:43:00] <fyysik> as far undestand, sources were moved away from sourceforge. To same hosting which Marcus uses for his own project[19:43:01] *** Karina`` has quit IRC[19:43:11] *** Racer__X has joined #haiku[19:43:19] <Korli2> didn't know[19:43:29] <Korli2> which project ?[19:44:16] <fyysik> Haiku[19:44:40] <Korli2> you mean berlios.de ?[19:44:53] <fyysik> and Marcus own site/project is "mad-scientist"[19:44:59] <fyysik> yeah, berlios.de[19:45:08] <Korli2> ok[19:45:20] *** frankps has quit IRC[19:45:30] *** tqh has quit IRC[19:46:09] <Korli2> could you diff your working source with mine please ?[19:46:45] <Korli2> anyone has advice on mp3 players ?[19:46:54] <matricks> ipod[19:47:11] <Korli2> which one[19:47:26] <matricks> mini or the normal one[19:47:43] *** Karina`` has joined #haiku[19:53:31] <fyysik> Korli2 - yeah, will do, wait a bit. Computer is again under big load with that building[19:53:54] <Korli2> ok[19:55:45] *** illissius_ has quit IRC[19:56:53] *** joppefan has joined #haiku[19:57:10] *** qwm_ has joined #haiku[19:58:27] *** joppefan has left #haiku[19:59:22] <fyysik> Korli2 - last zip i got from you via DCC was binary dsitro with multiaudio add-on, not sources. Wish i try this one too?[20:00:55] <fyysik> previous zip contained install.sh and emxuki.zip[20:01:00] <fyysik> and that one hanged[20:01:31] <fyysik> ohh or was i lost last one?[20:01:36] <fyysik> minute[20:01:51] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has joined #haiku[20:02:02] *** illissius has joined #haiku[20:02:54] <fyysik> ahh, sorry, found it. there weren't emxuki folder inside, so it was unpacked all in my home dir as is[20:03:31] *** qwm has quit IRC[20:03:37] <Korli2> yeah sorry[20:05:56] <fyysik> shut down[20:05:58] *** fyysik has quit IRC[20:06:26] *** DaaT has quit IRC[20:06:38] *** fyy_laptop has joined #haiku[20:06:59] <fyy_laptop> waiting for "discharge" of desktop[20:11:32] *** ConneX has quit IRC[20:12:26] <CIA-8> mwilber * current/src/kits/interface/Alert.cpp:[20:12:26] <CIA-8> Changed buttons and TextView back to being children of the MasterView so that[20:12:26] <CIA-8> the Archive() BMessage matches Be's version. Changed when MasterView is added as[20:12:26] <CIA-8> child of the Alert window to fix the "out-of-alignment" issue.[20:13:12] *** khorben has joined #haiku[20:14:42] <fyy_laptop> Korli - this time it started ok[20:15:05] <fyy_laptop> i need to test it one or two days to be sure[20:15:17] <fyy_laptop> Korli2[20:15:32] <Korli2> so it works ?[20:16:18] <fyy_laptop> yeah, this time it started and don't hang media apps[20:16:52] <fyy_laptop> but as i said, it needs more testing due nature of that bug[20:17:02] <fyy_laptop> at least some days[20:17:55] <Korli2> yeah normal[20:17:56] <fyy_laptop> and i will do diff now[20:20:22] <fyy_laptop> dump_fx changed?[20:20:44] <Korli2> not that i know[20:21:25] *** sigmund has joined #haiku[20:21:54] <fyy_laptop> ahh. no[20:22:06] <fyy_laptop> redirecting diff in file.[20:22:21] <fyy_laptop> "more" is bit inconvinient:)[20:22:33] *** alphakiller has joined #haiku[20:24:34] *** nPHYN1T3 has quit IRC[20:26:38] <fyy_laptop> yeah[20:26:43] <fyy_laptop> compared[20:27:05] *** mene has quit IRC[20:27:15] <fyy_laptop> so you actually cleaned garbage from my version and added new card support[20:27:58] <fyy_laptop> ok, switching desktop off for bit longer time[20:29:34] <Korli2> exactly[20:30:12] *** oco has joined #haiku[20:31:07] <Korli2> hey oco[20:31:19] <oco> bonjour ![20:31:36] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has quit IRC[20:31:39] <@mmu_man> plop[20:33:42] *** __nitro__ is now known as __nitro__-OUT[20:33:54] <fyy_laptop> ok, booted again, no problem Korli2 - now we need someone with Audigy cards to test[20:34:17] <oco> i have one ![20:34:23] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[20:34:44] <fyy_laptop> really! wow, oco, you can help Haiku then![20:34:50] *** fyy_laptop has quit IRC[20:35:21] <fyysik> oco - please test new emxuki driver with your Audigy if you can[20:35:30] <oco> "audigy 2 zs"[20:35:38] <oco> wher can i download it ?[20:35:48] <fyysik> oco - did it work with current emuxki driver version?[20:35:55] <oco> yes[20:36:44] <fyysik> Korli2 - can you give him this version? I have my bit older uploaded, but probably your one will be better, as it will go inti CVS[20:37:24] <fyysik> (or if corli is sleeping i can DCC even last one)[20:38:09] *** m_eiman has joined #haiku[20:38:45] <oco> What is new in this version ?[20:38:51] <fyysik> oco - i think it needs cold reboot for clean testing. At least for me it matters[20:39:17] <fyysik> oco - crash fix for some configuration and support for some newer Audigy 2[20:39:57] <fyysik> but before let it into CVS Korli wish to be sure that it don't affect other cards[20:41:13] <oco> so, i try rebooting ! see you in one minute ![20:41:35] *** oco has quit IRC[20:42:44] *** oco has joined #haiku[20:43:26] <oco> it seems to work ![20:43:34] <fyysik> nice[20:44:16] <fyysik> waiting results from bebits talkback, where old driver crashed for another person[20:44:54] <fyysik> oco - so you are next lucky one who can watch movies in BeOS with real surround sound:)[20:45:05] <oco> ah ?[20:45:12] <fyysik> didn't you know?[20:45:26] <fyysik> we published that info at haikunews several times[20:45:28] *** qwm has joined #haiku[20:45:40] <oco> i have already do this ![20:45:52] <fyysik> you need haiku mixer, haiku media preferences and my version of VLC for that[20:45:55] <fyysik> ahh[20:45:58] <fyysik> ik> i c[20:46:13] <CIA-8> korli * current/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/audio/emuxki/emuxki.c: moved some more code to avoid crash, thanks to sergei[20:46:28] <fyysik> standard Preferences don't switch emuxki to output_channel_1[20:47:23] <Korli2> oco you have a 4th output on your audigy don't you ?[20:47:33] * fyysik watches "5-th Element" again:)[20:47:53] *** ConneX has joined #haiku[20:48:29] *** qwm_ has quit IRC[20:48:32] <Korli2> Villeret is dead :([20:48:44] <oco> but there is some timing problems[20:48:50] <fyysik> Vileret?[20:48:51] <oco> even with cpu_fix[20:49:08] <oco> Korli2 yes since yesterday[20:49:19] <oco> an 29 19:49:19 <oco> a famous french actor[20:49:37] <oco> "PTS is out of range"[20:49:41] * fyysik tries to guess "real" spelling of that name[20:49:49] *** ConneX has quit IRC[20:51:02] <fyysik> Jacques ?[20:51:08] <oco> yes[20:54:04] *** ConneX has joined #haiku[20:59:08] *** alphakiller has quit IRC[20:59:26] <tic> HUNGRY[20:59:29] <Korli2> later[20:59:54] *** Korli2 has quit IRC[21:00:23] *** fyysik has quit IRC[21:00:28] *** ConneX has quit IRC[21:01:58] <@mmu_man> Korli oué il est passé dans la catégorie "éternels du rire" sur rire et chansons :^)[21:05:04] <oco> korli : what is the "Enable digital" check box in the setup panel ?[21:16:22] *** ConneX has joined #haiku[21:22:12] *** M199 has joined #haiku[21:29:16] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[21:31:31] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[21:38:20] *** ConneX has quit IRC[21:39:20] *** Master199 has quit IRC[21:39:44] *** thaflo has quit IRC[21:48:19] <mwilber> .[21:48:34] *** mwilber has left #haiku[21:48:41] *** mwilber has joined #haiku[21:49:32] *** sigmund has quit IRC[21:58:38] *** CIA-8 has quit IRC[22:00:19] *** CIA-temp853 has joined #haiku[22:00:39] *** CIA-temp853 is now known as CIA-6[22:04:10] *** ProctonW has quit IRC[22:12:50] <CIA-6> mwilber * current/src/kits/interface/Alert.cpp: Removed beep when Go() is called because Be's version doesn't beep, fixed button sizes in B_WIDTH_FROM_LABEL mode.[22:13:33] *** MikeW has quit IRC[22:17:03] <@mmu_man> hmm maybe it could beep a different sound[22:17:25] <@mmu_man> installsound "Alert" for ex :)[22:17:31] <Dr_Evil> dont like beeping[22:17:33] *** ProctonW has joined #haiku[22:19:29] <@mmu_man> Dr_Evil there beeping is not beeping, just playing the "Alert" system sound[22:19:35] <@mmu_man> which should be null by default[22:19:44] <@mmu_man> but that leaves the possibility for the user[22:20:19] <@mmu_man> but yeah I don't like beeping either[22:20:27] <Dr_Evil> that would be acceptable[22:20:28] <@mmu_man> that's why I disabled it by default in desklink[22:20:46] <@mmu_man> indeed Dano added a lot of sounds like Window Open, Window Close ,...[22:21:02] <@mmu_man> like in windoze :^)[22:21:10] <@mmu_man> even mouse click[22:23:43] <Dr_Evil> yeah, that is so useful[22:24:10] <tic> of course! :)[22:26:34] <@mmu_man> it is :p[22:26:48] <tic> (dunno what for, but hey. :P)[22:26:52] <@mmu_man> for the Theme manager :)[22:27:05] <tic> in what way is "window close" useful?)[22:27:33] <tic> the question is: Mike Oldfield, or Jean-Michel Jarre?[22:28:02] <@mmu_man> JMJ ![22:28:21] <fyysik> D.Moruani[22:28:25] <@mmu_man> Window Close: Oxygène 4.mp3[22:28:47] <@mmu_man> an 29 21:28:47 <@mmu_man> a bit long, and noisy if you close more than one window[22:29:33] <Dr_Evil> I'm not sure if I should go to a club today[22:29:44] <tic> mmu_man, hehe.[22:30:00] <Dr_Evil> I have never been there before, but a friend might be there today, at least he wanted to go, but I can't reach him by phone[22:30:02] * mmu_man should go to bed early today :)[22:30:03] <tic> ugh no, I have to get up at 06:05 tomorrow to make it in time for work :/[22:30:06] <@mmu_man> for once[22:30:26] * tic plays oxygène 4 to see.[22:30:47] <Dr_Evil> I also don't know what to wear[22:30:51] <tic> ah, the most famous one.[22:31:02] <tic> dum-bidum-dumdum. This song reminds me of Foundation.[22:31:08] <tic> (Terminus and all that)[22:31:15] <tic> Dr_Evil, a Haiku t-shirt, of course! Always in fashion.[22:31:18] <Dr_Evil> but it's only 8 km from here, so I might just try if they let me in[22:32:47] <@mmu_man> tic it's a bit cold to only wear a tshirt[22:33:00] <@mmu_man> well maybe inside[22:33:02] <tic> mmu_man, true. he'll have to wear his Haiku sweatshirt.[22:33:05] <tic> (too)[22:33:28] <@mmu_man> or he could just wear one of the leaves on teh haiku logo à la Adam[22:33:35] <@mmu_man> :D[22:33:45] <@mmu_man> but it's really a bit cold for that[22:33:46] <tic> pity I got myself the XL one. 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