January 28, 2005 
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January 28, 2005 [00:01:28] *** khorben_ has quit IRC[00:02:45] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[00:07:02] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[00:07:29] <fyysik> ouch, -20 C outside:([00:08:41] <Sg_Henry> damm!!![00:08:53] <Sg_Henry> 4 C outside[00:11:19] *** khorben_ has joined #haiku[00:12:58] *** Methe has quit IRC[00:17:06] <CIA-8> haydentech * current/src/servers/app/server/ServerWindow.cpp: AS_LAYER_POP_STATE was inadvertantly deleting the entire layerdata stack instead of just popping the top one off[00:19:33] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[00:19:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[00:24:32] *** Master199 has quit IRC[00:35:06] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[00:42:54] *** Sg_Henry has quit IRC[00:48:44] *** voidref has joined #haiku[00:48:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o voidref[00:53:41] *** fyysik has quit IRC[01:00:57] *** khorben_ has quit IRC[01:02:53] *** khorben has joined #haiku[01:05:18] *** jonaskirilla has left #haiku[01:11:16] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[01:31:51] *** Mike2K has joined 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10.x.x.x addresses to us starting March 31, because they've exhausted their Class-B network[03:34:29] <nathanw> But they own another one they're not using...[03:34:31] <nathanw> gar[03:48:50] *** reflectioned has joined #haiku[03:51:03] *** qwm_ has joined #haiku[03:58:20] *** qwm has quit IRC[04:11:01] *** reflectioned has quit IRC[04:21:01] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[04:21:15] *** fyysik has quit IRC[04:43:53] *** voidster has joined #haiku[05:15:25] *** Cramit has joined #haiku[05:22:49] *** qwm_ is now known as qwm[05:27:15] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[05:31:50] *** qwm has quit IRC[05:32:16] *** qwm has joined #haiku[05:32:51] *** hallin has quit IRC[05:44:14] *** illissius- has quit IRC[05:48:26] *** hallin has joined #haiku[06:04:13] *** supercalifraste has joined #haiku[06:14:58] *** mmadia has quit IRC[06:18:01] *** supercalifraste has quit IRC[06:30:39] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[06:52:42] *** m_eiman has joined #haiku[06:59:03] *** RageMax has quit IRC[07:12:44] *** 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#haiku[12:19:29] *** stippi has joined #haiku[12:31:37] *** ahwayakchih has joined #haiku[12:31:39] <ahwayakchih> hih> hi[12:33:18] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[12:38:02] *** mahlzeit has joined #haiku[12:38:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mahlzeit[12:48:50] *** hallin has quit IRC[12:58:55] *** fyysik has quit IRC[13:04:21] *** nathanw has quit IRC[13:04:21] *** reffie has quit IRC[13:04:21] *** FastJack has quit IRC[13:04:24] *** nathanw has joined #haiku[13:04:29] *** FastJack has joined #haiku[13:08:45] *** reffie has joined #haiku[13:15:42] *** qwm_ has joined #haiku[13:26:21] *** thaflo has quit IRC[13:26:58] *** thaflo has joined #haiku[13:36:57] *** qwm has quit IRC[13:41:17] *** reffie has quit IRC[13:41:17] *** FastJack has quit IRC[13:41:17] *** nathanw has quit IRC[13:43:41] *** ProctonW has quit IRC[13:46:25] *** lizdeika has joined #haiku[13:46:32] *** lizdeika has quit IRC[13:47:39] *** thaflo_ has joined #haiku[13:47:50] *** nathanw has joined #haiku[13:47:50] *** irc.freenode.net sets mode +n #haiku[13:48:23] *** FastJack has joined #haiku[13:50:30] *** reffie has joined #haiku[13:52:13] *** thaflo has quit IRC[13:52:13] *** thaflo_ is now known as thaflo[13:59:42] <CIA-8> stippi * current/src/servers/app/server/Painter/drawing_modes/ (6 files): rest of the drawing modes[14:02:49] <CIA-8> stippi * current/src/servers/app/server/Painter/drawing_modes/ (7 files): huge clean up[14:03:43] *** pres589 has joined #haiku[14:05:15] *** pres has quit IRC[14:05:36] *** pres has joined #haiku[14:06:01] <CIA-8> stippi * current/src/servers/app/server/Painter/drawing_modes/ (DrawingModeFactory.cpp DrawingModeFactory.h): support for the rest of the drawing modes[14:06:52] <@Korli> mahlzeit we shouldn't have to host external apps source codes[14:07:07] <@mahlzeit> well, we could[14:07:17] <@mahlzeit> but not in the main repository[14:07:42] <@Korli> we don't have only MIT licensed code btw[14:07:46] <CIA-8> stippi * current/src/servers/app/server/Painter/Painter.cpp: support for switching the alpha drawing mode when the blending mode changes[14:08:03] <@mahlzeit> it> i know[14:08:20] <@mahlzeit> but ideally we would :-)[14:08:25] <@Korli> yeah[14:09:08] <@Korli> i'm more interested in having only patches for external apps[14:10:28] <CIA-8> stippi * current/src/servers/app/server/Painter/ (TODO NOTES): some additional status information[14:12:03] <CIA-8> stippi * current/headers/private/servers/app/Painter.h: added some convenience functions, mainly used by the test app[14:14:01] <CIA-8> stippi * current/src/tests/servers/app/painter/BitmapView.cpp: automatically uses alpha blending for B_RGBA32 bitmaps[14:16:56] *** Dr_Evil has joined #haiku[14:19:37] *** pres has quit IRC[14:27:09] *** thaflo has quit IRC[14:29:12] *** thaflo has joined #haiku[14:31:28] *** slaad has quit IRC[14:48:06] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[14:48:20] <Dr_Evil> Korli are you here?[14:48:24] <@Korli> Dr_Evil[14:48:34] <@Korli> hi[14:49:08] <Dr_Evil> oh good, two things[14:49:31] <@Korli> man i can't mail openbeos at freelists dot org : Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname[14:49:52] <Dr_Evil> first, I need a text to update the Media prefs listing, perhaps a modified Readme.html if you want[14:50:36] <Dr_Evil> second, I would like you to add me to the svn project as administrator (but I first need to register a name)[14:52:06] <stippi> I signed up yesterday, but am I not supposed to get a confirmation email?[14:53:06] <Dr_Evil> I singed up right now[14:53:06] <Dr_Evil> Congratulations. You have registered on BerliOS Developer.[14:53:06] <Dr_Evil> You are now being sent a confirmation email to verify your email address. Visiting the link sent to you in this email will activate your account.[14:53:24] <@Korli> oh i thought i was only a dev[14:53:35] <Dr_Evil> nothing so far[14:54:27] <stippi> same text I got yesterday.[14:54:31] <stippi> no email though[14:54:53] <Dr_Evil> well Korli you are listed as Projektbetreuer[14:56:03] <fyysik> http://bezilla.org/ error 403: Verboten! Es sind nur ungengende Zugriffsrechte gesetzt. Bitte ndern Sie die Rechte mit Ihrem FTP-Programm.[14:56:21] <fyysik> nice. German site[14:56:46] <@Korli> what's your name Dr_Evil[14:58:21] <@Korli> there is a graphics difference between R5 and our BTextView ...[15:01:40] <Dr_Evil> Korli my registration is still not confirmed, no email :([15:03:30] <@Korli> hmm[15:04:08] <Dr_Evil> my name is supposed to be marcusoverhagen[15:06:13] <@Korli> oh so you are Marcus Overhagen ? ;)[15:08:53] <@Korli> Dr_Evil done[15:09:36] <Dr_Evil> Jan 28 14:09:36 <Dr_Evil>[15:09:36] <Dr_Evil> Pending Account[15:09:36] <Dr_Evil> Your account is currently pending your email confirmation. Visiting the link sent to you in this email will activate your account.[15:09:36] <Dr_Evil> If you need this email resent, please click below and a confirmation email will be sent to the email address you provided in registration.[15:09:43] <Dr_Evil> Jan 28 14:09:43 <Dr_Evil>[15:09:43] <Dr_Evil> Pending Account[15:09:43] <Dr_Evil> Your email confirmation has been resent. Visit the link in this email to complete the registration process.[15:10:13] <Dr_Evil> why doesn't this fucking email get delivered?[15:10:19] * mahlzeit ate it[15:10:22] <@mahlzeit> har har har[15:14:16] * Korli slaps mahlzeit[15:14:37] <@Korli> anyway Dr_Evil you have been added and oped[15:14:56] <@Korli> btw Dr_Evil could you op JBurton on this channel ?[15:17:28] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[15:19:09] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Dr_Evil[15:19:51] <@Dr_Evil> yes[15:21:07] <@Korli> good[15:21:51] <WindowsUninstall> Someone know nasm?[15:50:28] <CIA-8> bonefish * current/src/kits/app/Message.cpp:[15:50:29] <CIA-8> * Updated copyright date and added myself to the authors. :-)[15:50:29] <CIA-8> * Removed 1500 lines of unused non-template-madness code. We have version[15:50:29] <CIA-8> control to resurrect it, if we ever wish to.[15:50:38] *** ConneX has joined #haiku[15:59:06] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[15:59:38] *** alphakiller has joined #haiku[16:02:40] <@mmu_man> Korli[16:02:51] <@mmu_man> is our screen_blanker functionnal ?[16:06:05] <CIA-8> bonefish * current/ (4 files in 3 dirs):[16:06:05] <CIA-8> Turned _init_message_(), _delete_message_(), and _clean_msg_cache_() into[16:06:05] <CIA-8> proper private static BMessage members and made them accessible through[16:06:05] <CIA-8> BMessage::Private. Got rid of unused _reconstruct_message_().[16:06:32] <@Korli> mmu_man it's supposed to[16:06:54] <@mmu_man> ok, I want to add something on it[16:07:07] <@mmu_man> hmm[16:07:07] <@mmu_man> don't know how to make screen_blanker[16:07:11] <@Korli> input_server doesn't like it for sure atm ;)[16:07:20] <@mmu_man> the R5 one ?[16:07:25] <@Korli> haiku's[16:07:26] <@mmu_man> does it run in R5 ?[16:07:38] <@Korli> see in addons/input_server/filters/[16:08:20] <@mmu_man> k[16:11:06] * Dr_Evil hates NNTP errors like "400 Success writing creating overview file - throttling"[16:11:59] * mmu_man pets error: No Error[16:14:51] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[16:15:03] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[16:15:10] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[16:27:16] *** alphakiller has quit IRC[16:27:17] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[16:27:21] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[16:28:27] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[16:28:32] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[16:30:43] *** alphakiller has joined #haiku[16:30:55] <alphakiller> Kermos: how do you setup the framebuffer pointer ?[16:33:45] <@mmu_man> EBADCHANNEL[16:35:44] <tic> mmu_man, when will you add dirty-rect-notify to app_server? :)[16:36:12] <tic> I have an effective refreshrate of 0.4 Hz right now :)[16:36:45] <matricks> tic: it's bad when FPS goes to SPF :)[16:37:25] <tic> matricks, yup. although, it's not very surprising, either: dual celeron 533, vnc, 2560x1024 desktop.[16:37:42] <tic> (10 mbps link, tho)[16:39:44] <matricks> hehu[16:42:59] <@mmu_man> lol[16:46:19] <ahwayakchih> cya everyone[16:46:22] *** ahwayakchih has quit IRC[16:58:01] <tic> mmu_man, so when you add that, I can use my computer at home a bit better ... ;)[16:58:44] <tic> (there's a slight suck-factor to it right now)[17:07:11] *** qwm_ has quit IRC[17:07:54] *** qwm has joined #haiku[17:18:44] <@mmu_man> Korli I'm not sure using application/x-vnd.OBOS-ScreenSaverApp as sig is a good idea[17:18:55] <@mmu_man> I for one use the sig to launch screen_blanker...[17:19:01] <@mmu_man> sometime :)[17:19:40] *** alphakiller has quit IRC[17:20:38] *** desidaerius504 has joined #haiku[17:24:33] *** thaflo has quit IRC[17:24:33] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[17:29:19] *** fyysik has quit IRC[17:29:33] <@Korli> mmu_man it's up to you[17:31:17] *** ProctonW has joined #haiku[17:31:17] *** ConneX has quit IRC[17:34:27] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[17:36:04] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[17:36:24] *** qwm has quit IRC[17:36:55] *** znation has quit IRC[17:37:00] *** znation has joined #haiku[17:38:11] <desidaerius504> hello everyone[17:42:19] *** qwm has joined #haiku[17:42:59] <desidaerius504> has anyone purchased anything from purplus before?I am wanting to buy a copy of BeOS from them but wanted to see whether they were worth my time or money[17:45:12] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[17:46:50] *** thaflo has joined #haiku[17:47:07] *** Master199 has quit IRC[17:47:43] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[17:50:07] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has joined #haiku[17:51:34] <@mmu_man> <advertising>Get Zeta</advertising>[17:53:53] *** ConneX has joined #haiku[17:56:45] *** pres589 has quit IRC[17:57:16] *** pres589 has joined #haiku[18:00:02] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[18:03:49] <fyysik> desidaerius504 - i did. Good impression[18:04:04] <desidaerius504> sweet, cause i just placed my order :-p[18:04:11] <fyysik> things ended that they 've send me free copy of Corum III:)[18:04:25] * desidaerius504 loves freebies[18:04:33] <fyysik> as aplogising for delay in X-mas rush[18:04:57] <desidaerius504> so how do you like BeOS 5.03 Pro?[18:05:05] <fyysik> solid[18:05:21] <fyysik> but needs patches and drivers from bebits to work at modern hardware[18:05:27] <desidaerius504> good :-)[18:05:44] <desidaerius504> how many did you need to install?[18:06:12] <fyysik> Zeta run at new hardware mostly out of the box, but number of patches depends in case of PRO of your hardware[18:06:45] <fyysik> me? 2 drivers[18:07:04] <desidaerius504> will you get enough out-of-box support to get a display, mouse, and a keyboard running?[18:07:35] <fyysik> diplay worked in VESA mode, so i got driver from bebits for Radeon[18:08:30] <fyysik> and to enable my machine to boot with DMA mode on for HDD i installed IDE Replacement driver[18:08:55] <desidaerius504> cool[18:10:33] *** TLF has joined #haiku[18:17:18] *** TLF has quit IRC[18:18:10] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[18:18:39] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[18:18:44] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[18:19:06] *** TLF has joined #haiku[18:20:00] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[18:33:46] *** shackan_ has joined #haiku[18:33:46] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[18:34:38] *** stippi has quit IRC[18:36:10] *** thaflo has quit IRC[18:39:38] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[18:43:16] *** fyysik has quit IRC[18:50:01] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[18:53:29] *** ConneX has quit IRC[18:55:26] *** TLF has quit IRC[18:58:09] <@Korli> question : how to divide an UTF8 char string in UTF8 characters ?[18:58:56] *** ConneX has joined #haiku[18:59:07] <@mahlzeit> there are helper methods for that somewhere[18:59:18] <@mahlzeit> in jburton's textview code anyway[18:59:27] <@mahlzeit> so you can step through the string, char by char[19:02:49] <@Korli> yeah NextInitialByte[19:13:50] *** stippi has joined #haiku[19:19:21] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[19:19:21] *** ConneX has quit IRC[19:23:13] *** _ziggy_ has joined #haiku[19:23:36] <_ziggy_> Is there a way to change keybindings for the BeOS window manager ?[19:24:01] <_ziggy_> I would really like to bind things like mod1+ctrl+c to close a window, etc.[19:24:23] <mmadia> to do that, you may need SpicyKeys.[19:24:28] *** oco has joined #haiku[19:24:39] <mmadia> however to switch using CTRL instead of ALT, it's a setting ( checks which program )[19:24:54] <mmadia> .... Preferences/Menu[19:25:31] <_ziggy_> Yeah, I know that.[19:25:33] <_ziggy_> That's the easy part...[19:25:47] <Procton> SpicyKeys could do that for you.[19:26:23] <Procton> you'd probably want to bind alt/ctrl-w, to something so you don't have several keybindings to close windows.[19:26:25] *** shackan_ has quit IRC[19:26:35] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku[19:27:02] <Procton> or wait... no... spicykeys won't fix that... sorry.[19:29:29] <_ziggy_> spicy keys is nice..[19:30:00] <Procton> what would be needed is an input-filter that remaps/replaces messages and then forward them to the destination.[19:30:12] <Procton> that wouldn't be that hard to implement though.[19:34:50] <@Dr_Evil> This is really strange:[19:34:51] <@Dr_Evil> #ifdef __cplusplus[19:34:51] <@Dr_Evil> extern _IMPEXP_BE const char *B_EMPTY_STRING;[19:34:51] <@Dr_Evil> #endif[19:35:22] <@Dr_Evil> oops, IRC eate the first line: // Empty string ("") -----------------------------------------------------------[19:35:59] <_ziggy_> Isn't there some keybinding in BeOS to close a damn window?[19:36:19] <@Dr_Evil> ALT+W[19:37:26] <_ziggy_> OK, thanks.[19:41:22] <_ziggy_> I wish there was a keybinding for killing an application..[19:41:45] <@Dr_Evil> ALT+Q to close all windows, but nothing to kill it[19:41:47] *** znation has quit IRC[19:42:04] <_ziggy_> Too bad.[19:42:06] *** znation has joined #haiku[19:42:11] <mmadia> alt ctrl del is the closest key combo.[19:42:13] <@mahlzeit> ctrl+shift+alt on deskbar[19:42:23] <@mahlzeit> or something like that[19:43:14] <_ziggy_> Yeah, you crashed my deskbar :p[19:43:25] <mmadia> is the app_server responsible for managing the response to alt ctrl del?[19:43:46] <@Korli> no[19:43:51] <Methe> _ziggy_ though u might bind a lot of stuffs with SpicyKeys[19:44:30] <@mahlzeit> heh, the deskbar isn't supposed to crash when you do the vulcan nerve pinch :-)[19:45:57] <@Dr_Evil> mahlzeit it does sometimes[19:46:59] <CIA-8> korli * current/src/servers/input/ (InputServer.cpp BottomlineWindow.cpp): useful pieces of code[19:47:37] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[19:51:50] *** burnez has joined #haiku[19:53:20] *** Korli has quit IRC[19:57:30] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[19:58:04] *** dr_Evil_ has joined #haiku[20:06:15] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[20:14:21] *** burnez has quit IRC[20:14:33] *** _ziggy_ has quit IRC[20:15:49] *** Dr_Evil has quit IRC[20:22:06] *** RageMax has joined #haiku[20:25:34] *** Begasus has quit IRC[20:29:16] *** alphakiller has joined #haiku[20:29:54] *** shackan_ has joined #haiku[20:30:39] *** Racer__X has joined #haiku[20:31:48] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[20:32:39] *** desidaerius504 has quit IRC[20:34:29] *** mahlzeit has quit IRC[20:35:25] *** mmadia has quit IRC[20:36:01] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[20:41:03] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[20:48:26] *** MikeW has quit IRC[20:59:37] *** Korli2 has joined #haiku[20:59:49] *** Korli2 is now known as Korli[21:00:35] *** Korli has quit IRC[21:00:43] *** Korli has joined #haiku[21:00:43] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Korli[21:12:41] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[21:14:41] *** TuneTracker has quit IRC[21:22:00] *** Begasus has quit IRC[21:22:41] *** shackan_ has quit IRC[21:24:08] *** Konrad has quit IRC[21:24:15] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[21:25:10] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[21:33:37] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[21:35:58] *** BGA has joined #haiku[21:35:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[21:36:09] <@Korli> hey BGA ![21:36:18] <@BGA> Korli![21:37:29] <@Korli> BGA do you know where i can find the font Haru ?[21:37:57] <@BGA> It comes with the Japanese input Method in R5.[21:38:27] <@Korli> ok[21:38:35] <tic> boing bga, korli.[21:38:43] *** voidster has joined #haiku[21:38:59] <tic> you voidster![21:39:10] <voidster> hi tic[21:39:24] <tic> voidster, how's it hanging?[21:39:35] <tic> err, that might or might not have been the right thing to say.[21:39:41] <voidster> haha[21:40:00] <voidster> hmm, voidref gotsta go, I am the read oidref[21:40:16] <tic> ehu?[21:40:26] <voidster> moment[21:40:38] <tic> moment is the same in Polish..[21:41:00] *** voidref is now known as vger[21:41:10] <@Korli> question : can i post a message to a BWindow which is just created and shown ?[21:41:39] <vger> Korli, yea, show calls run()[21:41:44] <vger> which starts the message loop[21:42:01] <tic> vger, are you the correct one?[21:42:10] <vger> hehe[21:42:24] <vger> this is a test machine, actually, just seeing how the network holds up[21:42:27] <tic> ahh.[21:42:31] <tic> why wouldn't it? :)[21:42:44] <voidster> cause of new stuff[21:42:54] <@Korli> vger actually it should work, but it seems not[21:42:55] <tic> yeah well, d'uh. I'm trying to push you on details. ;)[21:43:18] <voidster> Korli, you are probably doing somethign wrong ;)[21:43:26] <voidster> have you tried using BMessenger ?[21:45:01] <voidster> tic, hmm, details, well there was a crash see ...[21:45:22] <tic> voidster, crash my ass! I want the specifics! The gory details! the whole #![21:45:24] <voidster> but it was only happening irratically[21:45:28] <tic> okay.[21:45:34] <tic> that's annoying :/ Freeze or crash?[21:45:36] <voidster> and it was a kdl[21:45:44] <@Korli> voidster i should try BMessenger yeah[21:45:44] <tic> hey, then you can play Hangman![21:45:44] <voidster> since the network is in the kernel[21:45:51] <voidster> or chess![21:45:56] <tic> ohh, you have that too now?[21:46:13] <voidster> yep, Manuel wrote it ages ago[21:46:18] <tic> hahaha[21:46:19] <voidster> I have never actually done that[21:46:29] <tic> what's the command? chess?[21:46:29] <voidster> ususally to annoyed by the KDL itself at the time[21:46:38] <voidster> it might be kdlchess[21:46:53] <tic> my system always crashes on shutdown/reboot, so I could try it the next time.[21:47:10] <voidster> it does?[21:47:14] <tic> Yeah.[21:47:15] <voidster> tha's gotta suck[21:47:21] <tic> nah, I never reboot.[21:47:28] <tic> or well, it still sucks.[21:47:29] <voidster> what's the crash in?[21:47:46] <tic> different. registrar, etc. something about having entries/nodes locked or not. I blame the IDE replacement driver.[21:48:22] <tic> for some reason, BeOS won't boot my IDE drive off my ABit BP6's IDE channels, the 440BX-provided ones (not the HPT366).[21:48:25] <voidster> I hope that's not the one that came with Neo, that one was a big mistake[21:48:30] <tic> nah, it's the one from bebits.[21:48:33] <voidster> ok[21:48:53] <voidster> what version of the OS?[21:48:59] <tic> So I bought myself a Promise 100TX2, but that requires the ide replacement driver, and the combination promise 100tx2/travelstar e7k60 40gb doesn't seem to work very well under ide replacement.[21:49:11] <tic> voidster, R5.0.3/BONE7a[21:49:16] <voidster> oh[21:49:28] <voidster> that's some seriouslyu old software you gotchaself there![21:49:54] <tic> that's the OS. Some components are still left from Maui/B2.[21:50:25] <voidster> wow, I have a Ghenki U turn CD somewhere around here.[21:50:28] <tic> cool.[21:50:32] <voidster> I wish I still had my dino r3 beta cd[21:50:35] <@geist> yeah I found one of those the other day[21:50:37] <tic> what's dino?[21:50:38] <@geist> looking for an r5 cd[21:50:48] <@geist> do you have the dont turn back one?[21:50:52] <voidster> it was a pic of a stegosarus on the front of a burned cd[21:50:59] <@geist> where dbg is sitting on the edge of the building?[21:51:08] <voidster> geist, yea, I do, like, oh, I did...[21:51:09] <voidster> hmmm[21:51:14] <tic> I'm planning on making a major reinstallation (i.e., wipe everything, move in everything from ~/config/settings by hand, one-by-one) when I buy my next system (Pentium M) and install latest Zeta on it.[21:51:33] <tic> ah, so dino r3 beta == R3 beta?[21:51:47] <voidster> yes[21:51:52] <tic> according to CeBiT, Zeta-1.0 will be out by the time I have my new 'puter... :)[21:52:05] <voidster> according to cebit?[21:52:10] <voidster> what does that mean?[21:53:37] <tic> there was some news posting telling that Zeta-1.0 would be shown at CeBiT '05[21:54:10] <tic> but hey, I'm fine with the version after Neo+SP1, doesn't matter if it's called 1.0 or 0.72/b53[21:55:22] <voidster> tic, where did you see that news posting?[21:55:48] <tic> voidster, I really can't remember, sorry :/ I'd have to google.[21:55:53] <tic> it wasn't on one of the regular beos sites.[21:56:22] <voidster> hmm[21:57:23] <@Korli> voidster same with BMessenger[21:58:00] <voidster> Korli, what is the error result you are getting?[21:58:01] <tic> oh, that should actually be next year's CeBiT: http://www.freenet.de/freenet/computer_und_technik/betriebssysteme/linux/zeta_neo/[21:59:13] <@Korli> voidster i'm sending a B_INPUT_METHOD_STARTED to my BTextView[21:59:30] <@Korli> and next input method events aren't accepted because no transaction is active[21:59:41] <voidster> Korli, I thought you said you were sending it to a window.[21:59:43] *** Konrad has quit IRC[22:00:22] <@Korli> an 28 21:00:22 <@Korli> a view attached to a window[22:00:34] <voidster> are you sure it's attached when you send the message?[22:00:44] <voidster> how are you getting the pointer to the view?[22:00:46] <@Korli> no how can i be sure ?[22:01:13] <voidster> you can be programmatically sure.[22:01:22] <@Korli> i> i have the view pointer in a private field[22:01:41] <voidster> how do you go about putting the view in the window?[22:03:15] <tic> voidster, did you look at the URL?[22:05:13] <@Korli> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/open-beos/current/src/servers/input/BottomlineWindow.cpp?rev=1.1&view=auto[22:05:35] <@Korli> the view is built in the window constructor[22:05:45] <@Korli> then the window is shown[22:05:55] <voidster> geist, package mailed off[22:06:15] <tic> bribes![22:06:33] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[22:07:00] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[22:07:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[22:07:09] <@geist> voidster: woot[22:07:13] <fyysik> hi ppl[22:07:16] <@geist> thanks d00der[22:07:21] <voidster> no problem[22:07:43] <@Korli> hey mmu_man[22:07:53] <voidster> although i have heard reports that the r5 compatibility kit has some issues. As we never use it, it does not get tested... you might have to massage it into shape.[22:08:07] <voidster> it should not be much of a problem though.[22:08:22] <@Korli> the desklink options you added are getting us some mails now :p[22:08:31] <voidster> although, haiku should be self hosted, so that should be fine.[22:08:35] <@mmu_man> arf, Deskbar deadlocks on boot[22:08:44] <@mmu_man> 2nd time[22:08:50] <@mmu_man> since I installed im kit[22:09:03] <tic> r5 compability kit? haiku self hosted? what's this?[22:09:12] <@Korli> voidster you talking to me ?[22:09:21] <voidster> Korli, no, geist[22:09:48] <@Korli> ok i was confused[22:09:51] <voidster> tic, I mean, the haiku build tree should be using all it's own headers and libs[22:10:06] <voidster> idster> i sent geist a copy of zeta so he could do some hacking[22:10:15] <@geist> yeah[22:10:30] <@geist> does samba run decently enough on zeta?[22:10:31] <tic> Hm, I thought haiku still required some R5 stuff.[22:10:49] <tic> not in write mode, according to mmu_man. NFS works fine, though.[22:10:56] <@geist> damn[22:10:57] <tic> he's here, he should be able to tell you .:)[22:11:04] <tic> I might be wrong.[22:11:05] <voidster> geist, there is no advisory locking, so I wouldn't trust it[22:11:20] <voidster> unless you plan on being the only user[22:11:20] <tic> Is there no NFSd for Windows?[22:11:22] <@mmu_man> what ?[22:11:24] <voidster> you can get one of those hacks[22:11:24] * mmu_man catsup[22:11:29] <@geist> I was hoping I could just run it as a headless box[22:11:30] <tic> mm, ketchup..[22:11:37] <@geist> and do all my editing over samba and compile via telnet[22:11:58] <voidster> geist, maybe we can send you something...[22:11:58] <tic> hm, should work?[22:12:05] <@Korli> voidster you're trying to convert geist, aren't you ? :)[22:12:09] <tic> geist, couldn't you open via FTP?[22:12:27] <tic> geist, but I guess that's a bit tedious.[22:12:51] <voidster> Korli, geist is an old IRL friend, i like to make him happy[22:13:06] * DaaT doesn't want to know how voidster keeps geist happy...[22:13:09] <tic> haha.[22:13:15] *** voidster is now known as voidref[22:13:18] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o voidref[22:13:25] <tic> DaaT, the white sticky stuff we were talking about, perhaps? ;)[22:13:40] <DaaT> _you_ were talking about... i know nothing of that[22:13:42] *** tic was kicked by voidref ((eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwww))[22:13:42] *** tic has joined #haiku[22:13:47] <DaaT> LLLLLLLLLOOOOOOLLLLLLLL[22:13:56] <@Korli> dunno what is IRL ...[22:14:01] <@voidref> In Real Life[22:14:02] <@voidref> hahaha[22:14:24] <@voidref> as opposed to the only nearly real expierence of knowing people over IRC[22:15:24] <@geist> oh dont worry I'll figure something out[22:15:28] <@geist> I just have my editor I like to use, but it's windows only[22:15:35] <@Korli> IRL friends are precious[22:15:36] <tic> geist, which editor?[22:15:40] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[22:15:41] <@geist> Source Insight[22:15:46] <tic> m'kay. no idea. :)[22:15:53] <@geist> I use it a lot over samba shares at work and whatnot[22:16:49] <tic> geist, also, there's a VNC server for BeOS now that works well. Slow, because of the lack of a dirty-rect-notification message in app_server, but it's really stable and all. And over a 100mbit net with a fast system, I doubt it'll be very slow for you. I'm using it over a 10 mbit link, dual cel 533, 2560x1024 desktop.[22:17:16] <tic> and I get something like 2-3 SPF.[22:17:19] <tic> more like 2.[22:17:38] <CIA-8> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/ (nv_acc.c nv_acc_dma.c): completed DMA acc for NV30 architecture, still untested. Fixed two doubled registerdefines which adress the same registers.[22:20:06] <CIA-8> rudolfc * current/headers/private/graphics/nvidia/nv_macros.h: removed two double defines for the same register, added new defines needed for NV20 and NV30 architecture DMA acceleration.[22:23:28] *** sys2 has quit IRC[22:24:12] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[22:32:51] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[22:33:34] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[22:34:33] <tic> anyone considering Xen around here?[22:40:33] <CIA-8> stippi * current/src/tests/servers/app/painter/main.cpp: more refactoring and separating tests, currently it tests straight line performance[22:44:12] <CIA-8> stippi * current/src/servers/app/server/Painter/Painter.cpp: trying to optimize for B_SOLID_XXXX, implemented separate _SetPattern function, which encourages usage of a special DrawinMode instance, but it is currently not used, because it didn't give much speedup.[22:45:02] <CIA-8> stippi * current/headers/private/servers/app/Painter.h: trying to optimize for B_SOLID_XXXX, implemented separate _SetPattern function, which encourages usage of a special DrawinMode instance, but it is currently not used, because it didn't give much speedup.[22:46:12] <@Korli> question : how to control a debug server window with hey ?[22:46:22] <CIA-8> stippi * current/src/servers/app/server/Painter/drawing_modes/ (DrawingModeFactory.cpp DrawingModeFactory.h): flag for using a solid version of a DrawingMode, currently only B_OP_COPY actually has an implementation[22:47:17] <tic> hey debug_server set Active/Invoked of Control 2 of Window 0.. Can't remember which verb to use.[22:49:23] <CIA-8> stippi * current/src/servers/app/server/Painter/drawing_modes/DrawingModeCopySolid.h: the version for B_OP_COPY that ignores the pattern and uses the color from the AGG renderer directly, thus the renderer color needs to be set up correctly, which Painter does take care of[22:50:02] <stippi> tic: WTF is Xen? It keeps popping up.[22:50:17] <tic> first hit on Google: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/[22:50:30] <tic> it's an OS hypervisor. you port your kernel to it, and then you can switch between OSes[22:51:01] <tic> http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/xen/[22:51:25] <dr_Evil_> re[22:51:57] <@Korli> tic i'd like to press the OK button of the crashed input_server :)[22:52:21] <dr_Evil_> Korli use telnet, and kill -9[22:52:26] <tic> Korli, yeah. I had a script that did it once..[22:52:31] <tic> Yeah, that's probably even easier.[22:52:32] <stippi> tic: Thanks for the info, but I don't think I have use for that.[22:52:39] <tic> stippi, you asked. :)[22:52:45] <@mmu_man> geist[22:52:49] * dr_Evil_ always has telnet and ftp enabled, but port forwarding in DSL router is disabled, so it's save[22:52:57] <@Korli> dr_Evil_ kill -9 isn't useful[22:53:06] <tic> Korli, should work. kill -9 and then restart it.[22:53:11] <@mmu_man> well I forward to an unused address on the LAN :)[22:53:17] <@Korli> i'd prefer to debug the app[22:53:19] <stippi> Korli: /system/servers/input_server -q[22:53:27] <dr_Evil_> in BeOS input_server is restarted automatically if it's killed or wuit[22:53:29] <dr_Evil_> quit[22:53:37] <@mmu_man> Korli what's its state in ps ?[22:53:55] <dr_Evil_> just try it, press Ctrl+Alt+Del and kill it, it will be restarted after a few seconds[22:53:55] <@mmu_man> if it's rcv it's probably stuck in receive_data() in the kernel[22:54:03] <@mmu_man> you need to flood it[22:54:12] <@mmu_man> go beshare, find thread_send[22:54:53] <@Korli> dr_Evil_ i can't control anything when input_server is crashed :p[22:55:27] <@Korli> i> i want to have to debug console[22:56:23] <dr_Evil_> telnet is the best choice for the next time[22:56:40] <@mmu_man> hmm someone is updating clamscan for beos :)[22:56:46] <@Korli> dr_Evil_ i have telnet[22:56:50] <tic> dr_Evil_, still, that won't get you the debug output...[22:56:54] <tic> or rather, the debug console.[22:57:26] <dr_Evil_> it will[22:57:40] <@Korli> eh no[22:57:40] <dr_Evil_> just kill it from the telnet console, and restart it from there[22:57:50] <dr_Evil_> should give you all the debug output[22:58:10] <@Korli> debug console ?[22:58:25] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[22:58:28] <dr_Evil_> no, not debug console[22:58:36] <tic> It's the debug console he wants. :)[22:58:50] <tic> stack trace etc.[22:59:05] <dr_Evil_> but kernel debugger doesn't help when input server crashes[22:59:10] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[22:59:20] <tic> not -kernel- debugger. the app debugger.[22:59:35] <dr_Evil_> you can't use bdb, perhaps you can attach gdb using gdb server[22:59:50] <@Korli> i'm newbie to this[23:00:20] <dr_Evil_> but I never did that in BeOS, only in Linux (and there it failed, as I was trying to debug a PPC on a x86 system, and gdb wanted to load PPC libraries on x86 :-([23:00:23] <tic> dr_Evil_, you know when an app crashes, you can choose to go to the debugger, right? That's what he wants to do, so he can get a stack trace, at the very least.[23:01:06] <dr_Evil_> running it via telnet from gdb might have the same effect[23:01:53] <tic> true.[23:02:21] <@Korli> i'll try this then[23:02:54] <tic> Korli, lemme know if you find a "hey" command that works, I'm also interested.[23:03:38] *** TLF has joined #haiku[23:03:56] *** TLF has quit IRC[23:06:29] *** voidref has quit IRC[23:06:29] *** vger is now known as voidref[23:07:30] <@Korli> tic i found out the crash point, locking is important[23:07:56] <@mmu_man> Korli[23:07:59] <@mmu_man> pkgsrc ?[23:08:18] <tic> Korli, yap.[23:08:19] <@mmu_man> sounds good... actually I was thinking of some beosports or something[23:08:36] <@mmu_man> like, a single Makefile to cvs co, configure and build...[23:08:55] <@mmu_man> now, in Zeta I wrote a makefile-engine.autotools for autotools based stuff[23:09:09] <@mmu_man> works quite well so far, maybe we could contribute something there[23:09:15] <tic> nice.[23:10:00] <@mmu_man> tic yeah, I just have a GNUmakefile in the place, has NAME=, BOOTREL_INSTALL_PATH=, CONFIGURE_OPTIONS= and some other[23:10:12] <@mmu_man> and handles configuring, make and make install[23:10:21] <tic> Ahh, that's really nice.[23:10:38] <tic> autotools is really ugly.[23:11:26] *** Begasus has quit IRC[23:12:28] *** _DaaT_ has joined #haiku[23:13:52] <dr_Evil_> hmm, there is no gdb in Zeta[23:14:09] <dr_Evil_> I think there was one in R5, but perhaps I'm wrong[23:14:31] <tic> so gdb as default in R5/BONE at least.[23:15:37] <@Korli> can't find gdb on R5[23:15:41] <tic> bed time..[23:15:44] <tic> *Zzz*[23:16:02] *** DaaT has quit IRC[23:17:31] <@Korli> launching db gives me the debug console[23:17:38] <@Korli> in graphics mod ![23:18:05] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[23:20:39] *** __nitro__ has joined #haiku[23:21:56] *** voidster has joined #haiku[23:21:59] *** TuneTracker has joined #haiku[23:22:41] <voidster> why is my old nick still here? I quit cleanly.[23:22:56] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[23:23:12] *** _DaaT_ is now known as DaaT[23:23:22] <@mmu_man> dr_Evil_ it was ported on geekgadgets[23:23:27] <@mmu_man> an 28 22:23:27 <@mmu_man> an old version[23:23:32] <@mmu_man> but it wasn't in R5 :)[23:24:14] <@mmu_man> dr_Evil_ check Andrew's beshares, he has all mirrored[23:24:30] <@mmu_man> I heard it even worked with threads and all[23:24:36] <@mmu_man> if I had time I'd give a look[23:26:15] <dr_Evil_> it might be useful for Korli[23:27:25] <@mmu_man> bdb doesn't work ?[23:28:18] <dr_Evil_> isn't bdb graphical? its needed for debugging a crashing input server using telnet[23:28:23] <@mmu_man> oh yeah didn't catsup[23:30:05] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[23:30:21] <@mmu_man> now, would be ncie if db would attach to the tty instead of spawning a Terminal[23:30:39] <@mmu_man> but it actually only calls debug_thread() it seems so[23:32:16] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[23:32:40] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[23:32:58] *** mmadia is now known as mmadia_brb[23:33:19] *** __nitro__ has quit IRC[23:33:32] <tic> which is the latest vlc?[23:34:15] <DaaT> 0.8.2 i think[23:34:50] *** slaad has joined #haiku[23:36:33] <@mmu_man> vlc-0.8.2-svn-20050108 here[23:42:17] * fyysik now uses multichannel VLC again[23:42:55] <tic> still has bad synch problems.[23:44:09] <fyysik> really? Didn't notice bad sync in VLC exept "especially professionally" home-made videos[23:46:32] <dr_Evil_> as in VBR MP3 in WAV in AVI?[23:49:34] <fyysik> didn't look at logs, but usually those were DVDs grabbed and encoded in Windows by novices, or something made from home videocameras[23:50:02] <fyysik> (AVIs encoded from DVDs)[23:50:45] *** Potn has joined #haiku[23:50:57] <fyysik> and that wasn't just desync, but rather work in start-stop mode with high CPU load, in attempts to keep all in sync[23:52:12] *** mmadia_brb is now known as mmadia[23:53:20] *** tic has quit IRC[23:54:53] *** Potn has quit IRC[23:59:18] <@mmu_man> stippi ask voidref about profiling