January 27, 2005 
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I started on one newos and got to the point where it'd enumerate usb busses[02:06:03] <geist> ohci only[02:07:29] <fyysik> heh, 500 patents from IBM, 1600 from Sun - who will give more?:)[02:10:57] * geist gives all his patents to the open source world[02:11:24] *** trefas has quit IRC[02:14:14] <MikeW> you have patents geist?[02:17:32] *** Kernel86_ has quit IRC[02:17:43] <geist> MikeW: no, kidding[02:20:02] *** BGA has quit IRC[02:28:02] *** Bryan_W has quit IRC[02:36:41] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[02:48:20] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[02:51:08] *** voidster has joined #haiku[02:53:39] *** voidref has quit IRC[03:07:51] *** alphakiller has quit IRC[03:11:11] *** ProctonW has quit IRC[03:11:11] *** tic has quit IRC[03:20:00] *** alphakiller has joined #haiku[03:20:42] *** tic has joined #haiku[03:21:21] *** ProctonW has joined #haiku[03:22:14] <CIA-8> axeld * current/makehdimage:[03:22:14] <CIA-8> Need to create the kernel drivers settings directory when[03:22:14] <CIA-8> something should be copied there...[03:34:19] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[03:42:52] *** alphakiller has quit IRC[03:55:40] *** MikeW has quit IRC[04:02:39] *** lymon has quit IRC[04:05:21] <Trevor1> What was the recommended CPU speed and RAM for BeOS 5?[04:05:27] <Trevor1> google isn't being my friend tonight[04:05:55] *** LupusMichaelis has joined #haiku[04:06:11] <geist> infinity and lots[04:07:12] <Trevor1> What's the minimum then?[04:07:25] <Trevor1> I thought BeOS 5 couldn't boot with more than 1 GB anyway[04:07:33] <Trevor1> Or was that just the personal edition[04:07:48] <geist> dont listen to me[04:08:13] <fyysik> 48 MB RAM, 266 Mhz for Intel, 400-450 for K6-2 is usable[04:08:59] <fyysik> 500 MB PIII and 128 MB RAM - totally OK[04:09:08] <fyysik> 500 Mhz PIII[04:09:27] <fyysik> anything more - super, if you don't use BeOS Zeta[04:09:39] <Trevor1> No point in getting my BeOS box working again just yet then[04:09:54] <geist> hmm, I should find my r5 cd[04:09:59] <geist> I have no idea where it is[04:10:00] <Trevor1> Unless 150 MHz and 36 MB RAM will just cut it?[04:10:18] <Trevor1> Is freely distributing BeOS 5 non personal edition legal yet?[04:10:23] <fyysik> it works at 150 + 36. Bit no joy[04:10:45] <fyysik> nobody claimed at least about PE legality[04:10:50] <fyysik> and still available[04:11:08] <Trevor1> Distributing personal edition was always legal, wasn't it?[04:11:20] <fyysik> if you don't change it, it hink[04:11:23] <fyysik> ik> i think[04:11:29] <geist> well, it's not technically true that I can't find my r5 cd. I have a shrink wrapped box, and I dont want to open it[04:11:35] <geist> but I know I had another disc somewhere[04:11:44] <geist> I have plenty of r3, r4, r4.5 disc[04:11:58] * fyysik knowing his bad memory did 3 backup copies of his 5 PRO[04:12:12] <Trevor1> That shrink wrapped box will hopefully be worth a lot of money one day[04:12:17] <geist> that was the idea[04:12:32] <geist> I forgot what the difference was between r4.5 and r5[04:12:43] <geist> not much iirc. we were originally going to call it 4.6[04:12:46] <fyysik> not so much if any:)[04:13:02] <geist> it was literally built from a source tree called beos_r46, IIRC[04:13:04] <fyysik> more drivers?[04:13:14] <Trevor1> I've never seen any of them before 5[04:13:28] <geist> oh and on 5 we changed the logo to the uterus one[04:16:32] <Trevor1> atheos, where have I heard that word before[04:16:38] <Trevor1> :/[04:17:03] *** alphakiller has joined #haiku[04:17:14] <geist> atheos is the beos clone that a guy named kurt wrote[04:17:18] <geist> later spun off into syllable[04:17:56] <alphakiller> geist: I think I'll let banks as default[04:18:09] <alphakiller> it's frustrating not being able to run your own os on a real box[04:18:11] <geist> okay and why are you on this channel?[04:18:53] <alphakiller> just dunno ...[04:18:54] <alphakiller> :([04:19:01] <alphakiller> well, changing subject[04:19:15] <alphakiller> I was curious[04:19:26] <geist> well you're welcome here[04:19:33] <alphakiller> about why did haiku choosed your kernel :D[04:19:43] <geist> ah okay, well then that's okay[04:19:57] <alphakiller> any idea ?[04:20:40] <geist> talk to the haiku guys[04:21:14] <alphakiller> aren't you involved in the project ?[04:21:25] <alphakiller> in their FAQ appears your name at least 6 times[04:21:26] <alphakiller> hehehe[04:21:34] <alphakiller> I even know it by heart now :D[04:21:55] *** fyysik has quit IRC[04:23:22] <geist> not really[04:23:42] <geist> though I've been hanging out pseudo permanently here now in case someone has a question and in general to just see what's going on[04:23:51] <geist> since I've pretty much stalled out on any real dev on newos itself[04:25:23] <alphakiller> hmm[04:26:57] <Trevor1> What do the other guys listed on the sourceforge site do? Idle and look pretty?[04:28:27] <alphakiller> oh ... i thought i was on the #newos[04:28:31] <alphakiller> huhuhu[04:29:26] <alphakiller> well ... sleep time[04:29:28] <geist> yeah that's why I was wondering why you popped your head in here, since I have never seen you interested in haiku before[04:29:28] <alphakiller> cya[04:29:28] *** alphakiller has quit IRC[04:29:33] *** nathanw has quit IRC[04:33:53] <Trevor1> That alphakiller is quite a character, that's for sure[04:34:43] <geist> yeah[04:53:41] *** LupusMichaelis has quit IRC[04:58:42] *** FastJack has quit IRC[05:00:49] *** FastJack has joined #haiku[05:09:21] *** hallin has quit IRC[05:16:10] *** Cramit has joined #haiku[05:19:11] <Cramit> I just read the subversion announcement, in it axel mentions that ssh needs to be updated for R5[05:19:30] <Cramit> does this imply that netserver users will be getting ssh2?[05:19:43] <Cramit> or just an update for BONE?[05:25:04] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[05:33:34] *** voidster has quit IRC[05:42:00] *** pres is now known as pres589[05:44:47] *** voidref has joined #haiku[05:44:48] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o voidref[05:48:13] *** hallin has joined #haiku[05:52:47] *** mmadia has quit IRC[05:55:20] *** voidref has quit IRC[06:03:07] *** thies has quit IRC[06:30:09] *** slaad has joined #haiku[06:31:44] *** voidref has joined #haiku[06:31:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o voidref[06:35:23] *** RageMax has quit IRC[06:47:32] *** m_eiman has joined #haiku[07:00:57] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[07:02:47] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[07:02:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[07:21:56] *** Fanskapet has joined #haiku[07:24:23] *** nathanw has joined #haiku[08:07:11] *** nPHYN1T3 has quit IRC[08:07:12] <CIA-8> axeld * current/headers/private/kernel/ (vm.h syscalls.h):[08:07:12] <CIA-8> Added _kern_transfer_area() syscall.[08:07:12] <CIA-8> Added team_id parameter to vm_create_aspace().[08:08:40] <CIA-8> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/port.c:[08:08:40] <CIA-8> read_port() and write_port() must accept a NULL pointer as buffer if[08:08:40] <CIA-8> the bufferSize is zero.[08:12:08] <CIA-8> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/ (team.c vm/vm_address_space.c):[08:12:08] <CIA-8> vm_create_aspace() now also get the team_id of the owner of the address[08:12:08] <CIA-8> space to be created - this replaces the internal ID they had before.[08:12:08] <CIA-8> Now, team_id == aspace_id.[08:13:14] <m_eiman> nathanw: around?[08:14:03] <CIA-8> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/vm/vm.c:[08:14:03] <CIA-8> Added and implemented transfer_area() syscall; for now, transfer_area() is[08:14:03] <CIA-8> not exported, only the syscall is.[08:15:07] *** dr_Evil_ has quit IRC[08:16:15] *** Cramit has quit IRC[08:17:24] <CIA-8> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/vm/vm.c: team_id == aspace_id.[08:18:51] <geist> interesting[08:18:55] <geist> guess that makes sense[08:19:35] <CIA-8> axeld * current/src/tests/kernel/core/ (transfer_area_test.cpp Jamfile): Added a small test program for the transfer_area() call.[08:33:22] <@mmu_man> much simpler to map server areas into apps than getting the perms to clone[08:33:49] <@mmu_man> if that's the intention[09:02:58] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[09:04:13] *** mmadia has quit IRC[09:06:27] *** JBurton has joined #haiku[09:17:05] <m_eiman> Anyone here with MDR filter programming knowledge?[09:20:36] *** xeD has joined #haiku[09:22:28] <JBurton> hi xeD[09:22:47] <xeD> JBurton gooodmorning[09:25:01] *** wiqd has joined #haiku[09:26:11] *** iiz has joined #haiku[09:34:49] *** thaflo has joined #haiku[09:35:29] *** wiqd has left #haiku[09:44:45] <@mmu_man> !spell functionallities[09:45:30] <@mmu_man> hmm one l[09:46:38] *** Dr3w has joined #haiku[09:59:14] *** Korli has quit IRC[09:59:35] *** Korli has joined #haiku[09:59:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Korli[10:01:22] <@Korli> hi JBurton[10:06:27] <@Korli> i> i should have shutdown this irc client last night :p[10:09:01] <@Korli> osnews publishs any kind of news these days[10:09:45] <@Korli> geist nielx started to code on a usb stack some time ago already[10:10:15] <@Korli> i> i think this is what means the "news" item[10:14:01] <geist> yeah i know[10:16:38] <Dr3w> he - "Yeah, I know!"....[10:27:31] * mmu_man wants his osnews item-of-the-day[10:28:17] <sys2> damn[10:28:29] <sys2> my isp programmer does not like to work or ive connected something in the wrong way :P[10:29:30] <sys2> or mys oldering sucks as usual .. :/[10:29:42] <sys2> or i do not get signals out to lp[10:29:45] <sys2> or...[10:29:46] <sys2> :P[10:36:05] <@Korli> "No person or company[10:36:05] <@Korli> may charge a fee for the distribution of unRAR without written[10:36:05] <@Korli> permission from the copyright holder."[10:36:28] <@Korli> what does this mean ?[10:37:04] <|pst|> It means that no person or company may charge a fee...[10:37:20] <|pst|> Most probably the provider may still charge for the download traffic.[10:37:33] <@Korli> it means it's not distributable with linux distros for example ?[10:37:40] <|pst|> Yes.[10:38:57] <@Korli> we really need a package collection for this type of software[10:40:24] <|pst|> Some people argue that you can still include it in distributions if you kind of "separate" it. This way it's just some free, additional stuff; the fee is only for the rest of the distribution.[10:43:12] <@Korli> is it included in Zeta btw ?[10:45:51] <geist> oh well I say fuck em[10:45:56] <geist> who uses rar anyway[10:51:54] <m_eiman> All the l337 hackers kids do to split large files into 50mb chunks[10:52:40] <JBurton> Korli hi[10:52:46] <JBurton> sorry, was busy/away[10:52:55] <JBurton> rar is cool geist :P[10:53:23] <JBurton> Korli osnews sucks[10:53:46] <JBurton> they miss the real news (like registrar working on haiku)[10:54:45] <@Korli> they lack someone following the beos/zeta scene[10:54:51] <JBurton> yeah[10:55:45] <@Korli> Expander should be able to let me provide a password for expanding archives, no ?[11:00:10] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[11:04:07] *** mahlzeit has joined #haiku[11:04:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mahlzeit[11:05:00] <@Korli> zip doesn't support encryption anyway[11:05:42] <Dr3w> Cool, a ReactOS developer is working on a PowerPC port...[11:05:51] <geist> of what?[11:06:02] <Dr3w> ReactOS[11:06:05] <geist> oh[11:06:09] <Dr3w> :)[11:06:20] <sys2> reactos .. isnt that the windows clone?[11:06:23] <geist> cause otherwise it sure looks like axeld is toying with the ppc port of haiku[11:06:45] <sys2> port it before you get it running on one platform? :>[11:07:06] <geist> well, it's not a terribly strategy actually[11:07:18] <@mahlzeit> it's a very good strategy in fact[11:07:24] <sys2> is it? :>[11:07:25] <geist> since having an active set of ports keeps the arch indepedence alive[11:07:33] <@Korli> yeah[11:07:36] <geist> it was the original point of porting newos to sh-4 very eary[11:07:37] <geist> early[11:07:39] <@mahlzeit> which results in better code throughout[11:07:51] <@Korli> it also makes ppc people happy[11:07:57] <geist> I wanted the newos design to be extremely portable, so I went ahead and ported to something totally different from x86[11:08:02] <geist> then later I ported to ppc[11:08:08] <@Korli> they are so annoying if we do'nt[11:08:26] <sys2> hehe :>[11:08:28] <geist> another important port that someone should fool with is x86-64[11:08:50] <geist> not so much because we need it running on x86-64, but it's an easy 64-bit port to do[11:08:53] <@Korli> i> i think we're waiting on you geist[11:08:56] * sys2 wants to see haiku running before taking to huge steps :>[11:09:07] <geist> and having the code 64-bit safe is pretty important early on[11:09:25] <geist> I'd be a lot more interested if a) I had time and b) it wasn't so goddamn beos centric[11:09:27] <@mahlzeit> just like endian and alignment safety :-)[11:09:47] <@Korli> geist as you wish[11:09:49] <matricks> it's easier to get good code aswell. some bugs appear easier on other platforms with other compilers[11:10:14] <geist> that being said next time I get some time Im going to try to get it building again[11:10:23] <@Korli> geist btw what is the "good" pointer type ?[11:10:41] <geist> what do you mean?[11:10:43] <@Korli> nielx goes to addr_t[11:11:21] <geist> that's what I use a lot too yes[11:11:24] <geist> it's an unsigned long[11:11:48] <geist> but only in the vm and areas where you want to store pointers but as their value[11:11:56] <@Korli> it's a arch dependent type[11:11:58] <geist> well, I could see usb having it[11:12:08] <geist> no it isn't. that's the point[11:12:21] <geist> addr_t is guaranteed to be able to hold a pointer[11:12:36] <@Korli> i> i mean it is declared in a arch dependent header[11:12:41] <geist> oh right[11:12:52] <geist> though for all practical purposes, it's unsigned long[11:13:22] <geist> the only compiler I know of that doesn't promote long to 64-bit on a 64-bit architecture is visual studio[11:13:28] <geist> for whatever reason they didn't do that[11:14:24] <geist> now one thing I didn't get into too much in the vm is a different address type for physical vs virtual addresses[11:14:33] <geist> which I realize now would have probably been a better idea[11:14:47] <geist> since on an x86 you can reference up to 36 bits of physical address space[11:14:57] <geist> technically speaking you might have a >32bit physical address[11:15:20] <@Korli> exactly[11:16:00] <geist> I basically solve it in the vm by using page numbers for most things like that[11:16:06] <geist> which is the address >> 12 bits[11:16:15] <geist> which gets me 44 bits of physical addressing[11:16:27] <@Korli> nice[11:16:42] <@Korli> takes more space maybe[11:16:55] <geist> well actually it doesn't. that's the problem I wanted to solve[11:17:06] <geist> since you can use a 32-bit number to store 44 bits of address[11:17:27] <geist> provided the address is page aligned[11:17:43] <@Korli> yeah typically in VM[11:19:25] <JBurton> re[11:19:58] * geist goes to sleep[11:20:46] <@Korli> geist good night[11:21:00] * matricks throws some sans on geist eyes[11:21:02] *** voidref has quit IRC[11:21:04] <@Korli> geist maybe VM dreams[11:21:05] <matricks> /sans/sand/[11:23:54] <JBurton> Korli I have a qestion for you[11:25:07] <JBurton> Korli ?[11:25:33] <@Korli> yeah[11:26:01] <JBurton> I see you are adding the -fmultiple-symbol-space flag to most pref apps[11:26:06] <JBurton> why is it needed ?[11:26:21] <CIA-8> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/nv_acc_dma.c:[11:26:21] <CIA-8> updated DMA acc to use the full DMA buffersize instead of just one quarter.[11:26:21] <CIA-8> Also improved forced freespace limit setting in this buffer, now finally completely preventing engine crashes it seems.[11:26:21] <CIA-8> Engine speed went up again due to larger DMA buffer.[11:26:35] <JBurton> while (true) rudolf->Code();[11:27:05] <@Korli> JBurton building these apps with gcc 20041202 produces crashing apps without this flag[11:27:21] <JBurton> oh[11:27:22] <JBurton> weird[11:27:24] <@Korli> maybe this should be moved to jamrules[11:27:27] <JBurton> do you know why ?[11:28:04] <@Korli> because we link against old be libs[11:28:22] <JBurton> ahhhh ok[11:28:24] <JBurton> makes sense[11:28:39] <JBurton> thanks for the explanation[11:28:48] <JBurton> any progress on the input method thing ?[11:29:20] <@Korli> no[11:29:28] <@Korli> weird btextview[11:30:15] <JBurton> why ?[11:33:40] <JBurton> why weird, I mean ?[11:35:05] <@Korli> posting input method events to a BTextView isn't working nice[11:35:20] <@Korli> although using StyledEdit itself is working nice[11:35:43] <@Korli> i> i must miss something[11:37:31] <JBurton> Korli input method events are always sent as B_INPUT_METHOD_EVENT, right ?[11:38:03] <JBurton> with the opcode stored as an int32[11:38:16] *** nielx has joined #haiku[11:38:21] <nielx> hola[11:38:36] <@Korli> JBurton yeah[11:38:40] <@Korli> hey nielx[11:39:02] <nielx> hey Korli[11:39:03] <JBurton> hi nielx[11:39:11] <@Korli> i> i tried to link our BTextView with input_server[11:39:18] <JBurton> and ?[11:39:24] <@Korli> same[11:39:31] *** Karina`` has quit IRC[11:39:41] <@Korli> i> i should add some debug trace in BTextView to know more[11:39:43] <JBurton> the bottom line window is part of the input server ?[11:41:05] <JBurton> BTextView, when it receives a B_INPUT_METHOD_STARTED message, gets the BMessenger stored in it and caches it. Could this cause problems if the window is part of the input server itself ?[11:41:09] <@Korli> JBurton yeah[11:41:34] <@Korli> i> i don't know, it's different BLooper anyway[11:50:41] <JBurton> hmm right[11:51:16] <Dr3w> alexd is working on a PowerPC port.[11:51:32] <Dr3w> He has just got an iBook.[11:53:14] <Dr3w> he says he is only targetting NewWorld Mac hardrware at the start[11:55:59] <JBurton> you mean axeld, Dr3w :P[11:57:31] <CIA-8> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/ (GetAccelerantHook.c engine/nv_acc_dma.c): added invert_rect DMA acc function. Tested in all colorspaces on NV11 (OK).[11:57:39] <@mmu_man> hmm crap[11:57:53] <@mmu_man> mails on samba-technical don't get [samba-technical] in subj[11:57:59] <@mmu_man> wtf[11:58:13] <@mmu_man> will have to hack MDR to add the META:list-id attribute and index it :^][12:01:11] *** Methe has joined #haiku[12:05:52] <Methe> tu da du da da[12:07:32] <nielx> Methe: where you just passing by my house? I heard that exact sound[12:08:32] <Methe> yes I was[12:09:05] *** ahwayakchih has joined #haiku[12:09:07] <ahwayakchih> hih> hi[12:09:17] <ahwayakchih> hih> hi JBurton[12:09:38] <Methe> hola ahwayakchih[12:09:44] <ahwayakchih> hih> hi Methe[12:09:46] <Methe> Hola JBurton[12:09:51] <Methe> Hello mahlzeit[12:09:53] <Methe> kikooo mmu_man[12:09:59] <@mmu_man> plop[12:10:22] <ahwayakchih> hih> hi mmu_man[12:11:44] <JBurton> hey ahwayakchih[12:12:05] <ahwayakchih> was fyysik here today?[12:12:29] <ahwayakchih> (too bad he unregistered himself... i can't leave him message)[12:12:49] <ahwayakchih> JBurton any info about SDL problem? :)[12:24:04] <JBurton> no, ahwayakchih[12:24:18] <JBurton> I couldn't find the time/will to turn on the pc[12:24:30] <ahwayakchih> JBurton heh, ok[12:25:14] <JBurton> it's bad when you work with pc 8 hours a day[12:25:23] <JBurton> since you lose the enthusiasm[12:25:34] <@mahlzeit> there is a solution to that![12:25:46] <@mahlzeit> do all the fun stuff _before_ you go to worok[12:25:48] <@mahlzeit> *work[12:26:23] <JBurton> mahlzeit er, how could I do that? :P[12:26:29] <JBurton> I work from 8 in the morning[12:26:33] <JBurton> I woke up at 7[12:26:36] <@mahlzeit> so you wake up earlier[12:26:42] <JBurton> heh[12:26:48] <JBurton> not so fun mahlzeit :P[12:26:59] <JBurton> especially when it's cold[12:27:01] <agentmumu> anyone interested in seeing me running in boxershorts through the snow?[12:27:02] <agentmumu> hehe[12:27:11] <JBurton> don't think so agentmumu :P[12:27:25] <ahwayakchih> JBurton You can go to sleep much earlier, so it won't be so bad to get up earlier :)[12:27:31] <agentmumu> JBurton: ok, hehe[12:27:54] <JBurton> ahwayakchih nah, waking up early is ALWAYS bad, even if you go to sleep early[12:27:58] <JBurton> :=)[12:28:03] <nielx> agentmumu: There's almost no snow here, but else i would have joined you[12:28:13] <ahwayakchih> JBurton heh[12:28:13] <@mahlzeit> it> it just snowed here[12:28:25] <nielx> Amsterdam is pretty snow-free[12:28:29] <agentmumu> nielx: great, next time :)[12:29:54] <ahwayakchih> anyone from UK or Ireland here?[12:30:58] <ahwayakchih> http://archive.gamespy.com/comics/nodwick/ffn/ffn.htm heh[12:32:15] <ahwayakchih> really there's no english and irish users of BeOS?[12:32:23] <ahwayakchih> or are they hiding? ;][12:32:30] <@mahlzeit> isn't Dr3w from the uk?[12:32:41] <ahwayakchih> mahlzeit i don't know[12:33:06] <JBurton> bbl lunch[12:33:06] <@Korli> lunch[12:33:10] <JBurton> ahwayakchih see ya later :P[12:33:14] <ahwayakchih> cya JBurton[12:33:18] <ahwayakchih> have a good lunch[12:33:21] <@mahlzeit> and MYOB and MikeW are irish[12:33:42] <ahwayakchih> mahlzeit THX[12:33:56] <@mahlzeit> it> i think Tenzin lives in the uk too[12:34:41] <ahwayakchih> THX i'll try to catch at least one of them :)[12:35:00] <ahwayakchih> ih> i rarely see them here[12:35:14] <ahwayakchih> (well.. i'm rarely here ;)[12:36:54] <@mahlzeit> that could explain it ;-)[12:37:46] <ahwayakchih> hehe[12:43:47] <Dr3w> yup I am from the UK![12:48:08] <ahwayakchih> :)[12:48:09] *** iiz has quit IRC[13:00:03] <nielx> I can't find anything in the *bsd cvs repository[13:06:00] *** ProctonW has quit IRC[13:06:00] *** nathanw has quit IRC[13:06:00] *** FastJack has quit IRC[13:06:00] *** reffie has quit IRC[13:06:00] *** pres589 has quit IRC[13:06:00] *** w-ber has quit IRC[13:06:00] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[13:06:00] *** thaflo has quit IRC[13:06:00] *** nano has quit IRC[13:06:00] *** Mazon has quit IRC[13:06:00] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[13:06:00] *** gingerninja has quit IRC[13:06:00] *** ahwayakchih has quit IRC[13:06:00] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[13:06:00] *** tic has quit IRC[13:06:00] *** qwm has quit IRC[13:06:00] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[13:06:00] *** badonawy has quit IRC[13:06:00] *** CIA-8 has quit IRC[13:06:00] *** titer has quit IRC[13:06:01] *** Korli has quit IRC[13:06:02] *** nielx has quit IRC[13:06:04] *** |pst| has quit IRC[13:06:48] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[13:06:48] *** Korli2 has joined #haiku[13:06:48] *** ahwayakchih has joined #haiku[13:06:48] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[13:06:48] *** thaflo has joined #haiku[13:06:48] *** nathanw has joined #haiku[13:06:48] *** FastJack has joined #haiku[13:06:48] *** ProctonW has joined #haiku[13:06:48] *** tic has joined #haiku[13:06:48] *** nano has joined #haiku[13:06:48] *** pres589 has joined #haiku[13:06:48] *** reffie has joined #haiku[13:06:48] *** qwm has joined #haiku[13:06:48] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[13:06:48] *** Mazon has joined #haiku[13:06:48] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[13:06:48] *** w-ber has joined #haiku[13:06:48] *** badonawy has joined #haiku[13:06:48] *** gingerninja has joined #haiku[13:06:48] *** CIA-8 has joined #haiku[13:06:48] *** titer has joined #haiku[13:06:48] *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o mmu_man[13:06:54] *** nielx_ has joined #haiku[13:07:39] *** Karina`` has joined #haiku[13:10:18] *** Korli2 has quit IRC[13:10:40] *** Korli has joined #haiku[13:10:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Korli[13:15:03] *** Methe has quit IRC[13:15:36] *** Methe has joined #haiku[13:17:21] *** thaflo has quit IRC[13:19:48] *** nielx_ has quit IRC[13:25:49] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[13:30:03] *** Dr3w has quit IRC[13:31:11] *** Dr3w has joined #haiku[13:31:46] *** TuneTracker has joined #haiku[13:33:41] <ahwayakchih> hih> hi fyysik[13:35:06] <TuneTracker> ahwayakchih![13:37:05] *** slaad has quit IRC[13:39:18] <ahwayakchih> hih> hi TuneTracker[13:39:19] <ahwayakchih> :)[13:41:26] <ahwayakchih> sorry i was AFK[13:45:03] <JBurton> re[13:45:53] <ahwayakchih> re[13:51:10] <CIA-8> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/ (Overlay.c SetDisplayMode.c engine/nv_acc_dma.c): modified overlay to stay outside DMA buffer if it exists.[13:52:45] *** fyysik has quit IRC[13:56:06] *** iiz has joined #haiku[13:58:43] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[13:59:30] *** fyysik has quit IRC[14:03:48] <sys2> why the hell isnt the developer login valid as a user login? :/[14:06:04] <@mmu_man> bebits ?[14:06:12] <@mmu_man> cause it's 2 different databases I think :)[14:06:23] *** Karina`` has quit IRC[14:06:33] <@mmu_man> and for security[14:06:53] <@mmu_man> like you do'nt use root to do your daily stuff except in beos :)[14:12:15] <sys2> pkg-config for beos?[14:12:23] *** Karina`` has joined #haiku[14:12:38] *** nielx has joined #haiku[14:13:42] <@mmu_man> I have a opert somewhere[14:13:50] <@mmu_man> port[14:14:04] <@mmu_man> pkgconfig-0.15.0[14:14:13] <sys2> can you send me? :>[14:14:15] *** Dr3w has quit IRC[14:14:30] <@mmu_man> oh, was it that simle ?[14:14:33] <@mmu_man> simple[14:14:43] <@mmu_man> +#ifndef __BEOS__[14:14:44] <@mmu_man> extern char *strsignal (int sig);[14:14:44] <@mmu_man> +#endif[14:14:51] <@mmu_man> in pkgconfig-0.15.0/glib-1.2.8/gstrfuncs.c[14:14:57] <sys2> if you have it compiled ... couldnt you just send me it? :P[14:15:06] <@mmu_man> (we have it defined as const char * I think[14:15:44] <@mmu_man> hmm what are the bins ? only pkgconfig ?[14:15:58] <@Korli> JBurton our StyledEdit is supposed to work out of the box ?[14:16:05] <sys2> il just compile it then :P[14:17:43] <@mmu_man> ah pkg.m4 also[14:18:23] <sys2> checking for __pthread_attr_init_system in -lpthread... no[14:18:24] <sys2> configure: error: I can't find the libraries for the thread implementation[14:18:25] <JBurton> Korli apparently[14:18:26] <sys2> blablabla[14:18:35] <JBurton> Korli it needs our libtextencodings.so, though[14:18:56] <@mmu_man> hmm maybe it needs glib or something[14:18:57] <sys2> thank you :>[14:21:49] <@Korli> JBurton missing symbol : BPrintJob::Settings[14:22:26] <JBurton> oh[14:22:27] <JBurton> weird[14:22:35] <JBurton> on> on what ? dano ?[14:22:40] <@Korli> R5[14:22:58] <JBurton> did you download Axel's package ?[14:23:06] <ahwayakchih> brb[14:23:11] <JBurton> or compiled it from source ?[14:25:34] *** Korli2 has joined #haiku[14:25:35] *** Korli has quit IRC[14:25:36] *** Korli2 is now known as Korli[14:25:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Korli[14:39:00] *** nielx has quit IRC[14:39:05] * sys2 is desperatly trying to get mono configured :P[14:39:53] <@mmu_man> what's broken ?[14:40:26] <sys2> glib and pkgconfig so far ... but fixed those :>[14:40:37] <sys2> creating makefiles :P[14:40:38] <sys2> yay[14:41:15] <@mmu_man> :)[14:41:26] <@mmu_man> oh, do you have a diff handy for glib ?[14:41:49] <@mmu_man> started porting irssi, but it wants glib so I stopped[14:41:53] <sys2> it was not glib that was broken :P[14:42:02] <sys2> the package i downloaded from beshare was :>[14:42:11] <@mmu_man> I know there is a port somewhere, just recall wheredon't[14:42:16] <@mmu_man> maybe I even have it on the hdd[14:42:20] * sys2 tries to compile :>[14:42:32] <sys2> glib-2.0.4 or something :>[14:43:40] * sys2 hopes mono works ... if so people have a choice :>[14:43:46] <sys2> without choices . .what are we then? :>[14:43:52] <sys2> noooo[14:44:29] * sys2 has to reconfigure :/[14:44:39] <@mmu_man> eat that :)[14:44:40] <sys2> forgot about the stupid include/lib paths :P[14:45:12] <sys2> and mono seems to have come alot further then pnet :>[14:45:37] <sys2> mmu_man you little spy[14:45:47] <sys2> here you do haiku and on beshare you do zeta ... BUSTED! :P[14:46:05] * mmu_man is omnipotent[14:46:07] <@mahlzeit> hardly a secret... :-)[14:46:10] <sys2> ohh .. you maybe always have been a zeta guy ? :P[14:46:10] <@mmu_man> maybe too much[14:46:24] <@mahlzeit> better omnipotent than impotent[14:46:48] <@mahlzeit> (but that speaks for itself)[14:48:55] <@Korli> :p[14:49:51] <sys2> dodo[14:49:54] <sys2> hate configuring[14:50:03] <sys2> takes so damn much time before i know if my changes have done anything :>[14:50:18] <@mmu_man> hmm that patch is a bit stupid...[14:50:35] <@mmu_man> adds an arg on many funcs to pass something in a struct already passed[14:54:24] <sys2> and a typo forces me to reconfigure once again[14:56:24] *** alphakiller has joined #haiku[14:59:05] *** thaflo has joined #haiku[14:59:05] <sys2> and again due to strange placing of include files :P[14:59:18] <sys2> in /boot/home/config/lib/glib-2.0/include ... like wtf :P[14:59:21] <@mahlzeit> at least you're having fun :-)[14:59:35] <sys2> not realy .. its getting booring to watch this stupid configure script :P[15:00:14] <sys2> and im sure il have to reconfigure later to add -lbind etc :P[15:02:59] <sys2> and again............[15:03:11] <sys2> thats like 5 diferent include paths ive had to add now :P[15:03:22] <sys2> and one of them is directed straight into portable.net .. i wounder how that will go ;P[15:03:42] <sys2> i hope mono and pnet loves eachother very much ;>[15:06:16] <sys2> and now all of the suden i cant bloddy configure it :/[15:10:37] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[15:10:48] <ahwayakchih> re[15:11:03] <sys2> ive managed to reconfigure like 6 times .. and then all of the sudden it thinks it wants a timezone variable? ... out of the blue i cant configure anymore[15:11:09] <sys2> wtf is up with that :/[15:11:32] <@mmu_man> sys2 AC_SEARCH_LIBS(gethostname,bind) or something[15:11:37] *** lymon has joined #haiku[15:11:59] <sys2> its not that that is broken[15:12:19] <sys2> its that i could configure 6 times, then the 7th time it decided that my wchar etc files is not good enough, no timezone variable etc etc etc etc etc[15:12:19] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[15:12:35] <sys2> without ar eason the 7th time i cant reconfigure the 6 times before that it worked just fine[15:12:59] <@mahlzeit> what has changed?[15:13:06] <sys2> nothing[15:13:10] <sys2> i just reconfigured[15:13:11] <@mahlzeit> impossible[15:13:14] <sys2> and it started doing things like that[15:13:39] <@mahlzeit> maybe you need to throw away any files it generated[15:13:42] <ahwayakchih> JBurton are You sure You wanted to compile 1.2.8 and not CVS? :)[15:13:46] <ahwayakchih> JBurton http://twomix.devolution.com/pipermail/sdl/2005-January/067079.html[15:13:54] <sys2> ive deleted the tree and re-extracted the source[15:15:04] <JBurton> cvs is impossible to compile for me[15:15:06] <JBurton> no configure :P[15:15:20] <sys2> ./autogen.sh[15:15:22] <sys2> wait wait wait[15:15:24] <sys2> ./configure[15:15:48] <ahwayakchih> JBurton but maybe You have downloaded some snapshot or something...[15:16:07] <@Korli> and people say developer machines have to be powerful for java dev ...[15:16:21] *** w-ber_ has joined #haiku[15:16:36] <ahwayakchih> JBurton nah, it's in 1.2.8 release too[15:16:54] <JBurton> eheheh[15:16:55] <ahwayakchih> JBurton still i have no idea why it compiles here fine and not on Your comp ;][15:16:57] <sys2> Korli, i think its the other way around[15:17:03] <sys2> machines need to be powerfull to run java :P[15:17:10] <@mahlzeit> Korli: they do if you use eclipse :-)[15:17:25] <JBurton> this is what I downloaded: http://www.libsdl.org/release/SDL-1.2.8.tar.gz[15:18:30] <ahwayakchih> JBurton me too :)[15:18:54] <ahwayakchih> JBurton maybe i have some tweaked 2.95.3 here ;][15:19:30] <JBurton> ahwayakchih nah, that's weird[15:20:16] <ahwayakchih> JBurton something completly different now: are You still working on menus? :)[15:20:49] <ahwayakchih> JBurton because i have another request ;][15:21:19] <JBurton> shoot[15:22:23] <ahwayakchih> JBurton when menu popups with some submenus available, and there's no place for submenu on right side of menu, it shows submenu over menu[15:22:37] <ahwayakchih> JBurton it would be better if it showed submenu on left side[15:22:54] <sys2> wtf[15:23:08] <sys2> as soon as i include the path to some needed header files i get these strange errors[15:23:26] *** xeD has quit IRC[15:23:57] <ahwayakchih> JBurton and more: it always tries right side. ie. even if i make it move submenu popup on left side, next submenu (menu->sub1->sub2) will go to the right side again![15:24:08] *** w-ber has quit IRC[15:24:26] <ahwayakchih> JBurton what i'm trying to say is it would be better if it knew that ther is already menu on right side, and go to the left[15:24:50] <ahwayakchih> JBurton and start showing submenus on right side only after it hits left side of the screen[15:25:48] <ahwayakchih> JBurton that way "parent" menus will be still available for user, instead of being hidded under submenus, so user has to close whole popup and start again[15:25:54] <ahwayakchih> JBurton :)[15:26:06] <ahwayakchih> hidded=hidden[15:26:23] <lymon> like ball in bricks game. menu should jump off walls[15:26:25] <JBurton> ahwayakchih finished ? :P[15:26:35] <ahwayakchih> lymon heh, yeah something like that :)[15:26:38] <ahwayakchih> JBurton yep[15:27:00] <ahwayakchih> JBurton sorry for long writing :) i hope You understand what i tried to explain with my poor english[15:27:03] <ahwayakchih> :)[15:27:13] <JBurton> ok, listen to this: I'm struggling with that damned tracking functions, I don't even know if/when I'll finish this stuff and you're already asking for mega features ?!?!?!?!?!?!? 0__________0[15:27:16] <JBurton> :)))[15:27:29] <ahwayakchih> JBurton LOL[15:28:39] <ahwayakchih> JBurton look at this that way: i believe You'll make it so i ask for fixes to current thing :) If i didn't believe You'll ever make it, i wouldn't ask :)[15:28:57] <JBurton> eheh[15:29:08] <JBurton> okay nice trick[15:29:09] <JBurton> :)[15:30:02] <ahwayakchih> :)[15:30:07] <ahwayakchih> dinner, brb[15:31:19] <JBurton> ok[15:31:20] <JBurton> :)[15:33:07] <CIA-8> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/ (Overlay.c engine/nv_acc_dma.c): fixed overlay bitmap DMA adress, fixed overlay in 15 bit mode (NV11). nVidia hardware is broken here :-/. Anyway, it works now.[15:33:36] *** Karina`` has quit IRC[15:34:22] *** Karina`` has joined #haiku[15:37:35] *** iiz has quit IRC[15:37:37] *** ConneX has joined #haiku[15:38:44] *** stargater has joined #haiku[15:38:47] <stargater> hi[15:41:04] <@Korli> JBurton which Font should i use with BTextView for bottomline window ?[15:42:01] <JBurton> haru[15:42:07] <JBurton> or any other japanese font[15:42:17] <JBurton> I usually use haru[15:43:44] <@Korli> i> i mean does the bottom line window use the same font everytime ?[15:44:25] *** ConneX has quit IRC[15:45:27] * sys2 gives up[15:45:31] <sys2> mono has to much strange deps[15:46:04] <JBurton> hmmmm[15:46:08] <JBurton> good question[15:46:21] <JBurton> I only tried with the japanese input method[15:46:24] <JBurton> it used always the same font[15:46:26] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[15:48:37] *** alphakiller has quit IRC[15:52:57] <ahwayakchih> re[15:54:26] *** MikeW has quit IRC[16:00:09] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[16:02:11] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[16:03:42] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[16:12:36] <CIA-8> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/nv_acc_dma.c:[16:12:37] <CIA-8> Arrrgghh! I was still using NV3_GDI_RECTANGLE_TEXT instead of NV4_GDI_RECTANGLE_TEXT on pre-NV40 (NV11 tested). Fixed now.[16:12:37] <CIA-8> Anyway: Now we know the reason the switch must be made: the old command, while being approx. of the same speed as the new one, has a hardware fault and has also therefore been removed in NV40 and later hardware.[16:12:37] <CIA-8> The fault is the input->output colorspace conversion which doesn't work while being used with DMA acc. Glad I could loose that nasty workaround now!![16:19:15] <CIA-8> rudolfc * current/headers/private/graphics/nvidia/ (DriverInterface.h nv_acc.h): updated 'docs' with the new NVx_GDI_RECT cmd's findings :-)[16:28:11] <ahwayakchih> cya everyone[16:28:17] *** ahwayakchih has quit IRC[16:30:25] *** stargater has quit IRC[16:36:44] <@Korli> JBurton my problem is : i create the window and the textview[16:37:01] <@Korli> then i post the first input method event to the textview[16:37:43] <@Korli> the first event doesn't get to the view[16:37:54] <@Korli> as if it was left out[16:38:40] <JBurton> hmm[16:40:08] <JBurton> this is tested ? I mean, you are sure that the message doesn't get there ?[16:40:14] <@Korli> second message does get to the view[16:40:15] <JBurton> or you simply can't see any visual clue[16:40:59] <@Korli> but as it missed the START event, it quits at the beginning of HandleInputMethodEvent[16:41:11] <@Korli> should i wait a bit ?[16:41:22] <JBurton> yeah, maybe[16:41:24] <@Korli> btw i changed to plain font and it's ok[16:41:26] *** lymon has quit IRC[16:41:44] <JBurton> Korli hm okay but you can't show ideograms that way[16:41:48] <JBurton> (with plain font)[16:41:51] <@Korli> because when restarting the method, it works[16:42:06] <@Korli> i> i set haru to plain font[16:42:12] <@Korli> with Font prefs[16:42:15] <JBurton> ah ok I see[16:42:28] <JBurton> yes[16:42:31] <JBurton> this way it's correct[16:42:43] <JBurton> sorry I had forgot how to do it[16:42:45] <JBurton> it's been a while[16:53:24] <@Korli> ok bye[16:58:05] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[16:58:27] <JBurton> you are leaving Korli ?[16:59:21] <CIA-8> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/nv_acc_dma.c: needed to bump the DMA command buffer forced freespace up to 256 words: NV4_GDI_RECT needs a higher setting than the old version. Hopefully engine crashes are now past tense...[16:59:40] <@Korli> yeah[16:59:51] <JBurton> ah ok[16:59:55] <JBurton> bye then :=)[17:00:14] *** Korli has quit IRC[17:00:48] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has joined #haiku[17:10:18] *** xeD has joined #haiku[17:15:47] *** sigmund has joined #haiku[17:15:48] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has quit IRC[17:20:52] *** JBurton has quit IRC[17:29:49] *** dipp has joined #haiku[17:35:30] *** sigmund has quit IRC[17:39:17] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[17:46:41] *** xeD has quit IRC[17:49:14] *** xeD has joined #haiku[18:10:05] *** xeD has quit IRC[18:13:27] *** xeD has joined #haiku[18:24:17] *** thaflo has quit IRC[18:32:36] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[18:32:49] *** xeD has quit IRC[18:33:38] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[18:33:43] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[18:34:32] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[18:36:18] *** sys2 has quit IRC[18:36:53] *** hUMUNGUs has quit IRC[18:41:17] *** sys2 has joined #haiku[18:51:13] *** Racer__X has joined #haiku[18:54:50] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[18:55:24] *** khorben has joined #haiku[19:13:12] *** Karina`` has quit IRC[19:14:04] *** illissius has joined #haiku[19:16:41] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[19:17:29] *** Karina`` has joined #haiku[19:20:52] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[19:29:43] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dr_evil[19:29:49] *** dr_evil sets mode: +o geist[19:33:46] *** Koki has joined #haiku[19:37:00] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[19:39:48] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[19:42:17] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[19:46:42] *** oco has joined #haiku[19:53:15] *** fyysik has quit IRC[19:59:28] *** dr_Evil_ has joined #haiku[20:00:57] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has joined #haiku[20:06:39] *** Sg_Henry has joined #haiku[20:08:53] *** MikeW has quit IRC[20:11:31] *** sigmund has joined #haiku[20:11:32] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has quit IRC[20:15:46] *** mahlzeit has quit IRC[20:16:49] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[20:17:45] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[20:24:27] *** dr_Evil_ is now known as Dr_Evil[20:24:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Dr_Evil[20:24:56] <@Dr_Evil> I don't get this, osnews really published about niels work on the USB stack[20:25:04] <pres589> and?[20:25:12] <pres589> might have been a slow news day[20:25:20] <@Dr_Evil> that stack is in a pretty early state[20:25:44] <pres589> the staff there (for lack of a better term) seems to have an eternal hard-on for BeOS and related subjects[20:26:11] <pres589> I think it's cool there's a USB stack in any form for Haiku at this point, but, that's about as far as my interest goes ;)[20:27:09] *** Karina`` has quit IRC[20:27:25] *** ConneX has joined #haiku[20:27:54] *** m_eiman is now known as m_dinner[20:29:25] <dipp> geist, hmm weren't you planing on coding an usb-stack for Haiku? (You had some _really_ cool gear for it anyways 8) )[20:30:22] *** sigmund has quit IRC[20:30:26] <tic> dipp, think it was for newos... But as they're pretty similar, you could probably use it pretty much directly under haiku.[20:32:16] <dipp> tic, ah, that might be it..[20:40:01] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[20:42:14] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[20:44:59] *** Karina`` has joined #haiku[20:50:12] *** mmadia has quit IRC[20:51:27] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[20:58:09] *** adioanca has joined #haiku[20:58:24] *** adioanca has quit IRC[21:00:10] *** thaflo has joined #haiku[21:00:10] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[21:03:12] *** dipp has quit IRC[21:06:16] *** alphakiller has joined #haiku[21:06:58] *** thaflo has quit IRC[21:12:16] <@geist> yeah[21:12:31] <@geist> well, I had written part of a usb stack a long time ago for newos but for whatever reason haiku decided not to use it[21:12:39] <@geist> same thing with my basically functional network stack[21:14:38] <@Dr_Evil> don't be sad, at least the USB story isn't finished, and might even be restarted[21:15:15] <@Dr_Evil> while the thing niels wrote isn't bad, there isn't much of an USB stack in that code[21:15:33] <@geist> usb stacks are really really tough[21:15:41] <@geist> I dont think I'm qualified to do it myself[21:16:05] <@geist> there are a bunch of gnarly iovec, dma buffer, vm issues to worry about when doing transfers[21:16:15] <@geist> and isochronous stuff is pretty complicated[21:18:45] <AnEvilYak> what makes it more complicated to deal with usb data transfers vs other busses?[21:19:26] <@geist> what other busses are you thinking about?[21:19:41] <tic> ugh. scp gives me half the file and junk on stdout. :/[21:19:46] <AnEvilYak> well, say, firewire or PCI or whatever.[21:19:54] <@geist> firewire is a total bitch[21:19:59] <AnEvilYak> maybe SCSI would be a better example than PCI[21:20:01] <@geist> pci just does it's stuff[21:20:38] <AnEvilYak> so firewire's as much of a pain as usb?[21:26:00] <@geist> yeah I think so[21:27:14] <AnEvilYak> ah[21:29:32] *** xeD has joined #haiku[21:30:56] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has joined #haiku[21:31:47] *** Begasus has quit IRC[21:31:50] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[21:34:43] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[21:38:15] *** dipp has joined #haiku[21:38:22] *** voidref has joined #haiku[21:38:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o voidref[21:44:47] *** alphakiller has quit IRC[21:56:32] *** BGA has joined #haiku[21:56:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[21:57:12] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[21:58:42] *** Cougarrr has joined #haiku[22:00:53] *** m_dinner is now known as m_eiman[22:09:33] *** Konrad has quit IRC[22:12:59] *** MikeW has quit IRC[22:14:47] *** m_eiman has quit IRC[22:14:47] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has quit IRC[22:15:36] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has joined #haiku[22:19:49] *** sys2 has quit IRC[22:23:12] *** thaflo has joined #haiku[22:38:42] *** thaflo has quit IRC[22:40:16] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[22:43:17] *** Cougarrr has quit IRC[22:58:18] *** jonaskirilla has joined #haiku[22:59:26] *** xeD has quit IRC[23:03:27] *** fyysik has quit IRC[23:04:43] *** lymon has joined #haiku[23:22:45] *** voidref has quit IRC[23:22:45] *** ConneX has quit IRC[23:23:50] *** Begasus has quit IRC[23:24:26] *** voidref has joined #haiku[23:24:27] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o voidref[23:24:38] *** uoeuou has joined #haiku[23:24:56] *** uoeuou has left #haiku[23:27:43] *** Racer__X has quit IRC[23:39:56] *** dipp has quit IRC[23:41:50] *** lymon has quit IRC[23:42:10] *** voidref has quit IRC[23:42:14] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has quit IRC[23:48:26] *** khorben_ has joined #haiku[23:48:42] *** khorben has quit IRC[23:52:19] *** BGA has quit IRC[23:54:12] *** BGA has joined #haiku[23:54:12] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[23:59:21] *** DaaT has quit IRC