January 26, 2005 
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January 26, 2005 [00:01:55] <MikeW> that a bad thing?[00:02:14] <agentmumu> no just a recompile[00:03:32] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[00:04:34] *** Master199 has quit IRC[00:12:59] <CIA-8> axeld * current/src/tools/jam/Makefile: No longer assumes to be on a BeOS platform.[00:13:40] *** ConneX has joined #haiku[00:13:57] *** Bega_ has quit IRC[00:15:00] *** axeld has joined #haiku[00:15:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[00:19:42] <@mmu_man> plop[00:20:07] <@axeld> Hi mmu_man[00:22:40] <agentmumu> hu axeld, do you already know why haiku reboots during boot?[00:28:38] <@axeld> agentmumu: no, I haven't had any time to look into that issue yet[00:29:45] <CIA-8> axeld * current/makehdimage: Make sure the image is built for the right platform.[00:31:47] <CIA-8> bonefish * current/src/kernel/core/messaging/MessagingService.cpp: After resolving the flag clash things work. Use our nice B_KERNEL_{READ,WRITE}_AREA flags for clarity.[00:32:33] *** SamuelGZ has quit IRC[00:34:30] <agentmumu> axeld: i don't know if you read it yesterday, so i'll say it again, it also reboots on my athlon xp box[00:34:58] <@axeld> agentmumu: I don't think you did, but Nathan also said something like this[00:37:10] *** slaad has quit IRC[00:38:43] *** oco has quit IRC[00:41:13] <@axeld> Boy, SF is so damn slow these days[00:41:53] <AnEvilYak> indeed[00:41:53] *** ConneX has quit IRC[00:42:34] <agentmumu> what about the svn server which tic mentioned today[00:43:07] <@axeld> agentmumu: we'll switch to www.berlios.de[00:43:15] <@axeld> and use subversion then[00:43:52] <CIA-8> korli * current/src/servers/input/ (5 files): added code for a bottom line window, not working[00:47:36] *** Koki has quit IRC[00:48:48] <@mmu_man> updated ssh ?[00:49:00] <@mmu_man> hmm good luck getting openssh 3.9p1 in net_server :D[00:51:31] <@Korli> axeld about BPortLink, it seems anyway it shouldn't be enough for communication between app_server and input_server[00:51:59] <@axeld> Hi Korli![00:52:09] <@Korli> hey axeld[00:52:12] <@axeld> Korli: why is that?[00:52:37] <@axeld> Korli: btw you're okay with the diffs for the input_server I send to you?[00:53:11] <@Korli> axeld i don't understand why you link against libopenbeos.so[00:53:26] <@axeld> Korli: Me neither; I've removed that one already :-)[00:55:14] <@axeld> Anyway, the input_server runs under Haiku this way - it's just that no one uses it yet :)[00:55:23] <@Korli> ok[00:56:02] <@Korli> why do you move includes like you did (Locker, Message) ?[00:58:56] <@axeld> I grouped them by kit - if you prefer alphabetical over that, I can undo it, though[00:59:22] <@Korli> communication is bidirectional between AS and IS, the way it's done atm (when target is haiku) isn't thought[00:59:47] <@Korli> axeld ok, i didn't find out your sort[00:59:48] *** lymon has joined #haiku[00:59:55] <lymon> hello[01:00:13] <@axeld> Korli: okay :)) Maybe you should then join the app_server list and tell DarkWyrm?[01:00:15] <@axeld> Hi lymon[01:01:02] <CIA-8> bonefish * current/src/data/etc/timezones/Jamfile: Introduced pseudo-target timezone_files, which can be used to build all timezone files.[01:01:20] <@Korli> axeld maybe[01:01:57] <@axeld> Oh, bonefish has heard my cry :)[01:02:05] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[01:02:32] <@Korli> axeld about timezones, the best way is to add a target "timezones" and have all timezones depend on it[01:02:52] <@axeld> Damn BeOS, I already hit the add-on limit so I can't start any new apps over here...[01:02:55] <@Korli> man didn't read[01:03:02] <@axeld> (until I reboot)[01:03:39] <@axeld> Korli: so you're okay with the changes?[01:04:14] <@axeld> Korli: another option (than linking against libbeadapter.so) would be to use _kget_ conditionally like the rest using COMPILE_FOR_R5[01:04:18] <@axeld> If you prefer that[01:05:21] <@Korli> axeld until now i was using a define[01:05:32] *** pres589 has joined #haiku[01:05:36] <@Korli> but i don't care[01:06:20] <axeld> Korli: depends on further input_server beta releases I guess - in one case you have a libbeadapter.so, in the other, you don't[01:06:28] <@Korli> could you keep out "(void)speed;" ? this type of warnings typically is a TODO[01:06:58] <@Korli> axeld ah ok, then better not use libbeadapter.so[01:10:58] <@axeld> Korli: can I add a "Todo" or "TODO" comment instead?[01:11:15] <@Korli> ok[01:11:52] <@Korli> ingo is still kidding you axeld :)[01:12:10] <@axeld> Korli: where this time? :)[01:12:34] <@Korli> in response to your cry ;)[01:12:44] <@Korli> good night[01:13:00] *** Korli has quit IRC[01:14:29] <lymon> axeld, i have few question about booting process[01:14:58] <@axeld> lymon: then ask :)[01:15:24] <lymon> who is load zbeos, i create bfs then put zbeos there and it s just run[01:15:34] <NathanW> SF CVS is very slow...[01:15:34] <CIA-8> nwhitehorn * current/src/add-ons/mail_daemon/outbound_protocols/smtp/smtp.cpp: Fixed SMTP module to give a real hostname in HELO/EHLO[01:15:43] * NathanW can't wait for subversion[01:15:49] <lymon> does that mean that stage 1 bootloader is in the bfs firsr sectors[01:16:33] <lymon> and what the purpose of geist's code in kernel/boot/arch/x86 ?[01:17:18] <@axeld> NathanW: I've just announced the switch on our news page[01:17:35] *** mmadia_ has joined #haiku[01:17:44] * geist sheds a tear for his old bootloader[01:17:49] <NathanW> Yeah, I got your e-mail[01:18:09] <@axeld> lymon: the boot loader in boot/arch/ is only for the old floppy boot mechanism - it will be superseded by the new boot loader once this one has tarfs support[01:18:20] <geist> ah good[01:18:27] <geist> so it wont be so bfs reliant?[01:18:51] <@axeld> lymon: the stage-1 boot loader is in the boot block of a BFS volume (or can be)[01:19:08] <@axeld> geist: depends on what you mean by that :)[01:19:24] <@axeld> geist: it can load BeOS from every supported[01:19:26] <@axeld> FS[01:19:35] <@axeld> which is right now BFS and AmigaFFS[01:19:37] <NathanW> ... off to dinner[01:19:57] <lymon> axeld, as i understand stage 1 boot code is from origianal R5 boots new zbeos ?[01:20:17] <@axeld> lymon: exactly, we don't even yet have a replacement for the stage 1 boot code[01:20:28] <@axeld> lymon: it just uses what makebootable delivers[01:20:39] <lymon> axeld, cool[01:20:52] <@axeld> lymon: it will always load beos/system/zbeos no matter how big (almost) and execute it[01:21:29] <@axeld> Every once in a while we get someone who wants to work on the stage 1 boot loader, but so far no one finished :)[01:21:58] <geist> axeld: so what you've basically written is a replacement for zbeos?[01:22:32] <@axeld> geist: yes[01:23:09] <@axeld> It's a single-threaded mini kernel[01:23:23] <@axeld> Only slightly more advanced than DOS ;-))[01:23:41] <@axeld> (as it runs in protected mode)[01:23:59] <geist> but it's loaded by the old bfs bootsector code[01:24:03] <lymon> axeld, not on every machine =)[01:24:19] <@axeld> geist: yes, exactly[01:24:34] <@axeld> lymon: hehe :) more advanced == more picky :)[01:24:38] <geist> can it load beos as well?[01:25:12] <@axeld> No, the kernel startup is not compatible[01:25:26] <@axeld> I didn't see any reason to reverse engineer that one[01:25:27] <geist> yeah since it'd have to know the private protocol zbeos spoke with kernel_intel[01:25:43] * axeld nods[01:25:46] <geist> well, I could see it being useful to have haiku and beos coexist on the same volume[01:25:49] <@mmu_man> pets get_boot_item[01:25:50] <geist> but that's about it[01:26:03] <@axeld> true, but it's not really worth the effort either, I guess :)[01:26:20] <geist> plus it'd encourage people to have them coexist which would be pretty dangeorous[01:26:21] <@axeld> mmu_man: unfortunately, I got aware of this too late - so we don't have it[01:26:32] <ShackaN> axeld, what's zbeos ?[01:26:49] <@axeld> ShackaN: it's the BeOS/Haiku stage 2 boot loader[01:26:58] <ShackaN> uh, ok[01:27:10] <@axeld> mmu_man: I accidently found out about it when looking at the APM driver source[01:27:38] <ShackaN> wow, axeld geist and mmu_man chatting together a one tonight! ( I'm not gonna sleep soon :D)[01:27:45] <ShackaN> *at once[01:28:00] <[Beta]> I am, i've got logging on, night peeps[01:28:06] <geist> yeah I just wish I could get more motivated to help[01:28:18] <geist> maybe one day[01:28:48] <[Beta]> geist: wait a little then make another kernel/os[01:29:02] <ShackaN> <axeld> Every once in a while we get someone who wants to work on the stage 1 boot loader, but so far no one finished :)[01:29:11] <ShackaN> is it a difficult task ?[01:29:17] <geist> well the trouble with newos is (and this isn't your fault) that I just cant see working on it with all this effort on haiku[01:29:21] <ShackaN> how are you doing without one ?[01:29:38] <geist> now it seems that if I sat down to work on it I'd just be replicating a lot of the work you guys have already done[01:29:54] <geist> it's effectively killed my desire to hack on newos anymore[01:30:07] <@mmu_man> axeld yeah well that's not like everyone used it[01:30:09] <agentmumu> so the obvious thought is, hack on haiku :)[01:30:14] <geist> on the other hand I dont really care about building a new boes clone, so working on haiku isn't really my thing either[01:30:15] <ShackaN> what about hacking on haiku ? :)[01:30:22] <geist> and I dont want to have to use beos to do it[01:30:27] <ShackaN> mm, ok[01:30:30] <geist> but it seems the current system is very beos centric[01:30:43] <geist> I dont have a beos machine, nor do I have one that will run it, nor do I want to run beos to build it[01:31:25] <@axeld> geist: well, the floppy image should still be buildable on Linux[01:31:27] <geist> I've thought about tossing it all and writing a microkernel or something, but haven't built up the activation energy for that[01:31:34] <ShackaN> seems you don't like beos that much anymore :)[01:31:38] <geist> axeld: yeah but it's obvious you guys are moving away from that[01:31:40] <@axeld> geist: but you're right it's definitely BeOS-centric, and it's hard to change that[01:32:05] <geist> it's only a matter of time before booting via zbeos will be the only way[01:32:05] <@axeld> ShackaN: we're using the stage 1 boot loader from BeOS R5[01:32:14] <geist> ShackaN: gee you think?[01:32:31] <@axeld> geist: yes, but that will still be possible to build under Linux, as that doesn't require BFS write access[01:32:42] <ShackaN> well, I might be wrong of course :D[01:33:07] <@axeld> geist: Maybe it helps when you think of Haiku as a more advanced BeOS than there ever was :)[01:33:09] *** mmadia has quit IRC[01:33:22] <geist> but that's not really what I want to hack on[01:33:40] <geist> but I feel connected to my monster I created[01:33:42] <@axeld> geist: but of course, I understand you - I just wonder how all the motivation about BeOS got lost among the Be engineers[01:33:55] <geist> and it'd be awesome to keep working on it[01:34:05] <@axeld> A love hate :)[01:34:13] <geist> it's simple: we live and breathed beos for years. it died, we moved on[01:34:48] <geist> my analogy is it's like having a girlfriend that you broke up with, vs a girl you just lusted after[01:35:03] *** BGA has quit IRC[01:35:23] <@axeld> Me as a user, I obviously never got satisfied with pure BeOS, so I am moving on by doing something better :)[01:35:31] <geist> also there were and are serious design flaws in the system[01:35:55] <@axeld> That's true[01:36:04] <geist> I guess I helped perpetuate some of them (global semaphores, regions, etc)[01:36:16] <geist> but when I started newos I was still at be and it just seemed like the way to do it[01:36:31] <geist> also that was part of the point, I was on the kernel team and wasn't allowed to do much since I was too junior[01:36:44] <geist> so I was kind of like "fuck you" and started writing my own version[01:36:44] <@axeld> A global namespace is a good thing, too - but maybe it would be nice to have more control over it :)[01:37:08] <@axeld> That explains a lot :)[01:37:19] <geist> then I quit[01:37:31] <@axeld> But since you've written the NTFS driver, they should have recognized a certain talent, don't they?[01:37:37] <mmadia_> geist: im still catching up on reading the chat, but what about workin w/plfiorini on Mockup?[01:37:42] <agentmumu> geist: hehe, nice story :)[01:37:49] <geist> but I had built up enough momentum on the project that I kept hacking on it[01:38:00] <geist> mmadia_: I have no idea what that is[01:38:17] *** BGA has joined #haiku[01:38:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[01:38:18] <agentmumu> geist thinking .oO(someday they'll use my kernel :P)[01:38:28] <@axeld> geist: anyway, you could still help us a lot by working on things without replication, like the USB stuff, or things like saving the FPU registers only when needed[01:38:29] <mmadia_> it's a beos *inspired* OS built ontop of linux ( it may switch to bsd in the future)[01:38:35] <ShackaN> uhm, since I'm so lucky to see all the l33t people gathered here at once, there's one thing I'd object to the haiku project, I could tell you now what it is so you might give me your opinion. here it is: why are you trying to recreate beos, thus chaining yourself to a 10+ years old os, worried about breaking a binary compatibility noone actually cares about (imho), and why don't you just take the best ideas from beos (which are many)[01:38:35] <ShackaN> and use 'em to make a really new os ? (the pun on 'newos' was not intended :)[01:38:46] <mmadia_> http://mockup.org[01:39:01] <geist> but that's the point! I dont really want to replicate beos. I've moved on. I'm quite happy with things now[01:39:24] <geist> axeld: heh, I did that in newos recently[01:39:28] <geist> the lazy fpu save[01:39:31] <ShackaN> ok, it's axeld turn now :)[01:39:33] <geist> yeah I know I can and should[01:40:10] <@axeld> geist: Yeah, I know, I just remember that you said something like that it's not finished yet :)[01:40:12] <geist> it seems like a waste to not get in and fix things in haiku kernel. I know how it works like the back of my hand and should be able to get a lot of stuff fixed[01:40:33] <@axeld> that would be great, too[01:40:48] <@mmu_man> hmm that samba bin is driving me nuts[01:40:59] <@mmu_man> crashing in places where it shouldn't[01:41:15] <geist> okay here's what I need. someone write one some directions or point me at them as to building the kernel on linux and beos (maybe I can dig up a machine)[01:41:16] <@mmu_man> there's something really fishy[01:41:29] <geist> last time I tried it wouldn't build[01:41:43] <geist> and I reallydidn't want to jack with it to get it working[01:41:51] <mmadia_> geist where abouts do you live? ive a spare p2-350 cpu and board i could donate.[01:42:04] <geist> also, I'll try to get it building on my macos machine[01:42:28] <@axeld> ShackaN: short answer: I don't like reinstalling. Longer answer: 1) it gives us a great testing platform, 2) it gives us a lot of applications with no effort whatsoever, 3) we build on existing foundation - we're not just yet another OS like SkyOS or Syllable, 4) It's not that we'll create a 10 year old OS - we're creating something new that is binary compatible to BeOS. But it will be much more advanced than BeOS ever was[01:43:17] *** Chinasaur has joined #haiku[01:43:25] <Chinasaur> whoa..lots of peeps[01:43:47] *** lymon has quit IRC[01:43:57] <@axeld> geist: the problem is that there are a lot of Linux distros out there. While it builds without change on my Pegasos (or used to), I had to do minor modifications to get it to build on SuSE[01:44:00] <Chinasaur> Greets Betypes..[01:44:14] <geist> right but I'm not a dummy. I just need to know what the problems are[01:44:20] <geist> ist> is it gcc version? jam version? make?[01:44:39] <@axeld> GCC version and libgcc.a mostly[01:44:47] <geist> I can build with the newos toolchain[01:44:49] *** Potn has quit IRC[01:45:22] <geist> the cobbled together make system on haiku is one of the things I'm not happy with. sorry if one of you is working on it[01:45:28] <@mmu_man> wish I had more time[01:45:37] <ShackaN> axeld, ok thanks[01:45:38] <geist> I spent a *lot* of time on the newos one getting it just right[01:45:44] <@axeld> And also some minor build problems - ie. we're linking libroot.so against a broken up libgcc.a, but under some Linux' the object files are named *.oS instead of *.o[01:45:55] *** SamuelGZ has joined #haiku[01:45:57] <ShackaN> geist, may I ask how much time ?[01:46:03] <geist> months[01:46:16] <@axeld> geist: we're definitely not happy with our build system[01:46:24] <geist> the primary goal was making it work on a variety of build platforms[01:46:27] <@mmu_man> hehe[01:46:29] <ShackaN> just to now how long it takes to a single individual to get his own os working[01:46:31] <@axeld> The only good thing to say about it is that it works on BeOS[01:46:35] <ShackaN> just months ?[01:46:53] <geist> ShackaN: what were you asking?[01:46:57] <@axeld> ShackaN: that depends on your definition of "OS"[01:47:10] <geist> I assumed you were talking about the make system[01:47:15] <ShackaN> uh sorry[01:47:18] <geist> which I spent a few months exclusively on[01:47:18] <@axeld> we are[01:47:23] <ShackaN> I misread[01:47:46] <ShackaN> I wanted to ask, how long it took you before having a working implementation of newos[01:47:49] <ShackaN> sorry[01:47:56] <@mmu_man> axeld do we have any support for advisory locking in yet ?[01:48:00] <geist> depends. I had it booting pretty quickly[01:48:06] <@mmu_man> I need that elsewhere, so..[01:48:13] <geist> but I worked on it for about 2 years before openbeos got ahold of it[01:48:15] <@axeld> mmu_man: nope, sorry :)[01:48:28] <ShackaN> uhm, ok, thanks[01:48:28] <@mmu_man> axeld fine leave me some things to do :P[01:48:30] <geist> which was I guess about 1.5 years ago[01:48:38] <@mmu_man> ugh I still have to finish that floppy driver btw[01:48:41] <geist> it always "worked" all along the line[01:48:52] <geist> oh you dont like mine? fine![01:48:53] <@axeld> mmu_man: but I planned it like 2 or 3 years ago in a chat with freston :)[01:49:06] <@mmu_man> eh[01:49:17] <geist> damn I gotta get back to work[01:49:21] <@axeld> geist: didn't it have only read only support? :)[01:49:23] <geist> it's so friggin stressful here[01:49:26] <@axeld> IIRC it was based on it :)[01:49:28] <geist> no, it worked read/write[01:49:37] <geist> I can disk tests for days on it[01:49:44] <@mmu_man> currently 3 breaindead APIs to choose from[01:49:49] <@axeld> Ah, good to know[01:49:51] <ShackaN> good night[01:49:55] <geist> what it didn't do was detect drives[01:50:02] <geist> it assumed it was a 1.44MB 3.5 disk[01:50:24] <@axeld> When I have a look at the floppy driver, I'll consider it, too[01:50:29] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[01:50:39] <geist> but anyway, gotta go[01:50:40] <geist> back to work[01:50:46] <@axeld> geist: cu![01:51:33] <@mmu_man> axeld well I never tested write support but it should be mostly in[01:51:39] <@axeld> mmu_man: 3? fcntl(), flock(), and?[01:51:44] <@mmu_man> bt it needs dma[01:51:53] <@mmu_man> and lockf() :D[01:51:54] *** BGA has quit IRC[01:52:11] <@mmu_man> which is like a mix of the 2 others[01:52:47] <@mmu_man> now 2 of them have a braindead semantic of "deletes lock on first close of any fd to the node" and "fork doesn't inherit"[01:53:04] <@mmu_man> and flock() which has a saner semantic, but only locks on while file[01:53:18] <@axeld> mmu_man: where does lockf() come from?[01:53:22] <@mmu_man> in Zeta I'll try to do that in a more generic way[01:53:36] <@axeld> mmu_man: fcntl() locking is part of POSIX, so you should definitely have that[01:53:37] <@mmu_man> http://www.npcguild.org/cgi-bin/manpage?lockf&3[01:53:41] <@mmu_man> yep[01:53:52] <@mmu_man> lockf can be implemented on top of fcntl I think[01:53:53] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[01:54:15] <@axeld> mmu_man: for Haiku R1, I've only planned to do fcntl() anyway[01:56:10] <@mmu_man> well what I was thinking is implement the fcntl one, with an additional flag to use the flock() semantic of delete on last close and fork inherits[01:56:20] <@mmu_man> and implement flock on top[01:56:33] <@axeld> sounds reasonable[01:57:09] <@mmu_man> then there is the linux extensions with LOCK_MAND... but that resuires more work[02:04:27] <@mmu_man> add_timer(system_time()+4*3600*1000000LL);[02:04:33] <@mmu_man> apm_suspend();[02:04:37] <geist> mmu_man: the one you're working on doesn't do dma? that might be your problem[02:04:48] <geist> I found that some chipsets dont bother emulating pio floppy access[02:05:03] <@mmu_man> geist no it doesn't[02:05:13] <@mmu_man> but it worked on both my mobos, so[02:05:33] <geist> what chipsets are they btw?[02:05:41] <@mmu_man> though I noticed some differences in repporting bad sectors vs the be driver[02:05:48] <@mmu_man> because of whole sector reads[02:06:03] <@mmu_man> hmm was a VIA crap on my K6-2[02:06:08] <@mmu_man> adn that BP6[02:06:29] *** swer has left #haiku[02:06:32] <geist> hmm okay[02:06:47] <@mmu_man> vendor id: 8086, device id: 7191[02:06:47] <geist> mine was a 440bx + whatever the standard intel was at the time[02:07:16] <@mmu_man> anyway I have lots of other stuff to do atm :^)[02:07:44] <@axeld> Sounds like we have to adopt geist's driver :-)[02:07:54] <geist> nah he's probably close[02:08:35] <@axeld> Yeah, but that can take ages :)[02:09:54] <@mmu_man> lol :p[02:10:05] <@mmu_man> mine handles 2 drives and HD :p[02:10:48] <@axeld> theoretically ;-))[02:11:08] <@axeld> I only have one working floppy anyway[02:11:13] <@mmu_man> nono I tested that[02:11:25] <@mmu_man> :p[02:12:15] <@mmu_man> axeld I think that bash stuff can be set via .inputrc[02:12:38] <@axeld> mmu_man: probably, but I want to change the default[02:12:52] <@mmu_man> there is a bigger problem currnetly that is it doesn't like UTF-8 on the command line[02:12:59] <@mmu_man> axeld yeah I'd do it that way[02:13:01] <@axeld> mmu_man: then you can use .inputrc to change it back :)[02:13:06] <@mmu_man> I think I'll do that in zeta as well[02:13:16] <@mmu_man> hate those 2 tabs[02:13:20] <@axeld> UTF-8 support would be great![02:13:21] <@mmu_man> btw tried bash_completion ?[02:13:36] <@axeld> mmu_man: what about it? Or what is it? :))[02:15:19] <@mmu_man> special stuff for bash 2.05 / 3.0[02:15:26] <@mmu_man> http://www.caliban.org/bash/index.shtml#completion[02:15:34] <@axeld> mmu_man: ah, right, I remember you just told me yesterday[02:15:42] <@axeld> mmu_man: I haven't tried it yet[02:16:00] <@mmu_man> did a comprehensive support for beos specific commands[02:16:28] <@axeld> I often keep two copies of the sources around, so I probably cannot make a lot of use out of it :)[02:16:57] <@axeld> It's automatically picked up when placed in /etc?[02:17:13] <@mmu_man> hmm no you need to source it from profile[02:17:29] <@mmu_man> in zeta there is a wrpper in /Etc/profile.d/ which is sources automatically[02:18:31] <@mmu_man> I guess I won't get samba 3.0.10 running today[02:18:40] <@mmu_man> stupid thing crashes badly[02:18:57] <fyysik> 3.05 works stable according to reports[02:19:05] <fyysik> wondering what was changed[02:19:26] <@mmu_man> I still have to see the src for myself :p[02:19:41] <@mmu_man> now I had 3.0.0 since months but it just refused to start[02:20:50] <@mmu_man> fyysik it can't be "stable" if it doesn't have locking[02:21:15] <@mmu_man> anyway[02:21:16] <@mmu_man> zzz[02:21:19] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[02:22:13] <fyysik> will see. 2.27 works for two week at my work at BeOS machine. 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I'm going to try replacing 'const QString' with a plain BString[10:45:42] <matricks> btw JBurton.. how much of the app_server is done?[10:45:51] <geist> heh[10:45:59] * geist reads niels kernel mail[10:46:02] <matricks> I know.. a question that everybody hates :)[10:46:04] <JBurton> matricks hmmm looks like you keep asking that question :P[10:46:08] <JBurton> xeD yeah, try[10:46:13] <matricks> JBurton: I know :)[10:46:19] <JBurton> matricks why don't you ask Darkwyrm directly ?[10:46:28] <matricks> JBurton: I wanna know when you start porting it over too haiku[10:46:39] <matricks> JBurton: because darkwyrm isn't here :)[10:46:44] <JBurton> er... mail ? :P[10:46:57] <matricks> you mean spam? perhaps[10:47:14] <m_eiman> Looks like it complains about casting something that was const as non-const, or calling a non-const function from a const function to me[10:47:19] <JBurton> or ask the question on the haiku forums[10:47:28] <JBurton> m_eiman yes, that's what I thought too[10:47:28] <JBurton> but[10:47:41] <JBurton> what could be ?[10:47:52] <JBurton> the "=" operator or the "<" operator, IMHO[10:47:58] <JBurton> as map uses those two, IIRC[10:48:21] <m_eiman> = isn't const (I hope ;), but < should be[10:48:47] <JBurton> m_eiman er, sorry, I meant "=="[10:48:49] <JBurton> :)[10:48:54] <m_eiman> :)[10:49:57] <JBurton> matricks I mean, I am the last person you should ask about the status of the app server :)[10:50:12] <matricks> JBurton: oh[10:50:18] <JBurton> inline bool[10:50:18] <JBurton> operator>(const char *str, const BString &string)[10:50:22] <JBurton> hmm it isn't const[10:50:41] <JBurton> matricks that's why I suggested to ask on the haiku forums or DW directly via mail[10:50:51] <matricks> JBurton: I'm not in the loop so I don't know who does what or know what.. I know darkwyrm does app_server stuff and axeld is a kernel junkie[10:51:00] <JBurton> oh, wait[10:51:01] <JBurton> inline bool[10:51:01] <JBurton> BString::operator<(const BString &string) const[10:51:17] <JBurton> matricks axel is the everything man[10:51:28] <JBurton> he will work on the app server too, I think, in short time[10:51:32] *** m_eiman has quit IRC[10:51:39] <matricks> JBurton: or perhaps ask him to do a public statement about the status of the app_server[10:51:57] <JBurton> matricks ok, good idea, do it[10:52:00] <JBurton> ^_^[10:52:16] *** m_eiman has joined #haiku[10:52:17] <geist> why are you so interested in the status of the app_server?[10:52:39] <matricks> geist: seams like the biggest part left[10:52:51] <geist> and?[10:53:28] <matricks> and one of the huge mile stones is when you can boot and display like.. a clock or text editor[10:54:02] <geist> right, but why is it so important to know what the status is?[10:54:05] <matricks> and the app_server is the part that I'm worried about[10:54:36] <matricks> I feel that the kernel is getting into shape, lots of news about it etc.. but almost non about the app_server[10:54:51] <matricks> and I've seen alot of commits for the app_server lately[10:54:53] *** BGA has joined #haiku[10:54:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[10:55:35] <geist> sure, but basically what I'm trying to get to is why do you feel that they owe you the status?[10:55:51] <geist> are you going to help on it if it's not getting done fast enough?[10:55:58] <matricks> geist: they don't.. they don't owe me anything.. but it would be nice to know[10:56:20] <geist> I dunno, it's just something that irks me about working on large projects (though I'm not working on this one right now). people always wonder why you haven't got the next thing done[10:57:06] <geist> anyhoo, I'll shut up now[10:57:06] <geist> it's late and I'm tired[10:57:13] <matricks> I don't wonder that because I know how much time things take.. I knew from the start that Haiku would take alot of time to compleate[10:58:07] <geist> well, I got a lot more interested in the project once axeld really started making progress[10:58:13] <geist> now I see it having a potential future[10:58:52] <matricks> is axel gonna do the app_server <-> kernel things?[10:59:13] <geist> *shrug*[10:59:19] <matricks> :)[11:00:09] <@mmu_man> will you support this and that ?[11:00:29] <@mmu_man> sure, send your patches to openbeos at freelists dot org[11:00:36] <matricks> hehe[11:03:28] <geist> the best emails I get are the ones that basically accuse me of wasting my time[11:03:41] <matricks> hehe[11:03:44] <geist> they ask me to basically justify writing yet another operating system[11:03:57] <|pst|> geist: Well, actually, you do. If you read those e-mails... :-)[11:04:01] <geist> "why should your system be important, what are you doing different?"[11:04:12] <matricks> sigh![11:04:28] <geist> I get them reasonably frequently[11:04:38] <geist> once or twice a month[11:04:38] <matricks> Many ppl ask be why I write my own png loader.. zip loader etc.. To learn perhaps? a good reason enough[11:05:00] <geist> here's one" I think it would be interesting if you could add a short page about why the[11:05:03] <geist> world need a newos? Why should i download it and try it out?"[11:05:09] <@Korli> geist why should your system be important, what are you doing different? ;)[11:05:22] <geist> heh[11:05:33] <geist> generally my answer is "cause i want to"[11:05:42] <|pst|> People forget that every OS was once new and that every time some folks asked the same stupid question.[11:05:47] <matricks> also a good enough reason[11:05:48] <@Korli> geist good enough[11:06:15] <|pst|> The wheel needs to be reinvented to become better. If you don't believe it, try to drive your car with wooden wheels.[11:06:21] <geist> I never claim that newos was a great design and certainly doesn't really do anything different. I just hacked on it for fun[11:06:33] <geist> and lots of people dont get that[11:07:03] <geist> trouble is lots of folks dont seperate operating systems as a software project and operating systems as a religious thing[11:07:19] <geist> they associate it so much with all sorts of battles over who has the best os, etc[11:07:21] <@Korli> don't you get around the ideas you wanted to put in already ?[11:07:22] <matricks> same for me when I write lot of code.. why write a jpeg loader? fun, experience etc[11:07:43] <geist> I just like writing kernels because it's fun and employable. it's a very complex system that's a real joy to see work[11:07:53] <matricks> yeah[11:08:16] <matricks> I've never done any kernel hacking.. except some small stuff that you help me with geist[11:08:27] <geist> I worked on be, I learned a lot in the initial writing of newos and now work on another system at work[11:09:01] <@Korli> geist maybe you should put up a blog :)[11:09:23] <geist> and talk about what? my boring life?[11:09:26] <matricks> blog o' geist[11:09:35] <matricks> geist: stuff that pisses you off? :)[11:09:37] <@Korli> geist newOS's blog[11:09:44] <geist> nah, no one wants to read that shit[11:09:53] <geist> I can't write worth a crap anyway[11:10:16] <matricks> heh.. write it in haiku :)[11:10:23] <JBurton> xeD any luck ?[11:10:38] <xeD> JBurton yeah fixed[11:10:51] <xeD> JBurton I removed the 'const' qualifier[11:11:00] <xeD> JBurton now got new problem :)[11:11:07] <JBurton> oh great[11:11:08] <JBurton> :)[11:11:19] <JBurton> shoot[11:11:31] <@Korli> geist designing an OS is like producing a movie, it can be interesting[11:11:45] <xeD> count() doesn't exists[11:11:57] <xeD> in stl::map[11:12:15] <xeD> and I need to count()![11:12:25] <@Korli> size() ?[11:12:34] <matricks> len()?[11:12:54] <xeD> maybe size() but maybe is the byte-size of the map?[11:13:03] <@Korli> hmm[11:13:17] <JBurton> size() should be ok[11:13:25] <xeD> ok thanks[11:15:34] <JBurton> STL = evil[11:16:16] <matricks> are you also a non-stl fan? :)[11:18:43] *** thaflo has joined #haiku[11:18:46] <JBurton> yeah[11:21:12] *** m_eiman is now known as m_shower[11:22:01] <JBurton> every time I try to use stl I lose so much time I could've reimplement it myself :P[11:26:37] *** dipp has joined #haiku[11:39:22] *** BGA has quit IRC[11:39:46] *** m_shower has quit IRC[11:44:53] <@Korli> JBurton did you see dead key idea from axeld ?[11:45:05] <JBurton> Korli yes, though I have some questions[11:45:11] <JBurton> 1. what's that ?!?!?!? :)[11:45:29] <JBurton> 2. I think it needs some support from the input server[11:45:46] <JBurton> as I see it as the input methods thinghies[11:46:05] <JBurton> I'm not sure I understood how it works, though Korli[11:47:32] <JBurton> I thought dead keys were like.. shift alt, etc[11:47:44] <JBurton> is the diacritical a dead key ?[11:53:08] *** Fanskapet has joined #haiku[11:55:57] <@Korli> JBurton it's a bad example[11:56:11] <@Korli> but you can think with ^ and ê[11:56:59] <@Korli> typically on R5 the input server doesn't send B_KEY_DOWN events for dead keys[11:57:19] <@Korli> but i already changed this for ours[11:57:38] <@Korli> but through UNMAPPED_KEY_DOWN[11:58:06] <@Korli> it's very logical[12:08:39] <JBurton> hmmm okay[12:09:00] <JBurton> I see axel is interested about the input server[12:09:07] <@Korli> yeah[12:09:09] <@Korli> lunch[12:09:12] <JBurton> does he plan to integrate it ?[12:09:13] <JBurton> oh ok[12:09:16] <@Korli> you here this afternoon ?[12:09:20] <JBurton> hmmm no[12:09:22] <JBurton> tomorrow[12:09:24] <JBurton> well[12:09:27] <@Korli> ok see you[12:09:29] <JBurton> actually I'll be here for 2 hours[12:09:40] *** mahlzeit has joined #haiku[12:09:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mahlzeit[12:11:03] <JBurton> hey mahlzeit[12:11:27] <@mahlzeit> hi di ho[12:11:59] <JBurton> it's been a while[12:12:19] <@mahlzeit> yeah[12:15:51] <JBurton> is everything okay ?[12:16:40] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[12:16:53] <@mahlzeit> sure :-) why wouldn't it be?[12:17:42] <fyysik> http://beos.spb.ru/program/123/Samba3.0.5-BeOS-BONE-test1-RUS.pkg.zip[12:19:29] <JBurton> mahlzeit nothing, I just asked :P[12:20:03] <@mahlzeit> admit it, you're worried about me :-)[12:20:43] <JBurton> okay, okay I admit it :P[12:21:46] * mmu_man still looking for the src :p[12:22:28] <fyysik> mmu_man - available by request. afaik[12:22:42] <@mmu_man> he said not before some days[12:22:43] * fyysik still didn't get SANE sources[12:22:48] <@mmu_man> so he's breaking the gpl :p[12:23:03] <@mmu_man> fyysik course, you're insane :p[12:23:54] *** dipp has quit IRC[12:24:09] <fyysik> mmu_man - did you test this build by self - about that non-locking unsafety?[12:24:26] <@mahlzeit> brr it's cold outside[12:24:40] <JBurton> yeah it is[12:24:41] <@mmu_man> fyysik no I'm trying to get mine to work[12:24:43] *** dipp has joined #haiku[12:24:44] <fyysik> there must be some test for that. or not?[12:24:45] <@mmu_man> for .10[12:24:49] <@mmu_man> it crashes in lp_load[12:25:15] <@mmu_man> fyysik easy, copy a file an write to it at the same time from win[12:25:49] *** naaina_ has joined #haiku[12:28:22] <fyysik> hmm, didn't get it fully. file is under BeOS - i'm copying it from there, being in Windoze, and at same time trying to replace it by something from windoze?[12:28:27] <fyysik> right?[12:29:01] *** Methe has joined #haiku[12:30:35] <naaina_> the InterfaceKit team is still searching for 2D Programmers (MMX/SSE)? >> http://haiku-os.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=173[12:33:04] <JBurton> naaina_ don't know, since they started using agg, I guess it's not longer the case[12:33:31] <JBurton> naaina_ but, again, I don't know, I think you should contact darkwyrm to be sure[12:33:53] <naaina_> by mail or is he here often?[12:34:50] <JBurton> mail[12:35:01] <naaina_> okay, thank you[12:35:04] <Methe> Hola peeps ![12:37:34] <naaina_> I will mail him then :)[12:38:19] * mahlzeit is doing a whole bunch of job orientation tests :-)[12:38:25] <Methe> any dev welcome (TM)[12:38:35] <Methe> mahlzeit: hihi[12:38:42] <Methe> actually[12:38:44] <Methe> I did that too[12:38:46] <Methe> couple of weeks ago[12:39:05] *** qwm has quit IRC[12:39:11] <JBurton> mahlzeit orientation like... horizontal, vertical, etc ?[12:39:19] <Methe> lol JBurton[12:39:24] <JBurton> naaina_ no problem :P[12:39:25] <@mahlzeit> this one says: psychologist, yeah right[12:39:32] <Methe> ahah[12:39:39] <JBurton> hmmm how old are you mahlzeit ?[12:39:41] <Methe> it says u should be psychologist ?[12:39:42] <Methe> :D[12:39:45] <JBurton> I thought you were older thanme[12:39:47] <@mahlzeit> 28[12:39:52] *** qwm has joined #haiku[12:40:00] <@mahlzeit> i'm thinking of a career change :-)[12:40:07] <naaina_> :)[12:41:04] <JBurton> ah ok you are older than me[12:41:08] <JBurton> mahlzeit I thought so[12:41:18] <Methe> my test said I'd end up in a humanitarian association or in education[12:41:20] <Methe> :o[12:42:24] <@mahlzeit> so far all the tests say something different[12:44:16] <@mahlzeit> great, this one says "artist" -- like there's any money in that :-)[12:45:27] *** xeD has quit IRC[12:45:47] <Methe> like money is everything[12:46:00] <@mahlzeit> duh[12:48:11] *** dipp has quit IRC[12:51:44] <JBurton> Methe what else is there ?[12:52:40] <Methe> Happiness ?[12:52:49] <@mahlzeit> girls[12:53:01] <Methe> ah u see u found some you too[12:54:22] <@mahlzeit> hmm i am a "modest entrepreneur"[12:54:50] <@mahlzeit> which means there's not much hope i'll make as much money as bill gates[12:55:00] <Methe> ahah[12:55:37] <Methe> Michael Jackson il les and less popular these days[12:55:41] <Methe> just replce him[12:56:06] <@mahlzeit> it> i don't want to become a white woman![12:56:15] <Methe> tonight on www.radio404.org my playlist ! w00t ![12:56:32] <Methe> well, u have to make sacrifices[12:56:49] <Methe> mahlzeit King Of Pop 2[12:57:11] <Methe> u can go in a church[12:57:12] <@mahlzeit> i'd rather be the king of rock 'n roll 2[12:57:14] <Methe> and not worry about anything[12:57:23] <Methe> well actually[12:57:28] <Methe> being king of rock n roll[12:57:39] <Methe> u'll need crack + speed + cocaine + weed[12:57:46] <Methe> + girls + alcohol[12:58:14] * Methe shouldn't have said that now mahlzeit gonna want to be it for real[12:58:33] <@mahlzeit> yeah![12:58:33] <Methe> actually[12:58:36] <Methe> there is one way out[12:58:41] <Methe> find yourself a girl[12:58:59] <Methe> girl is what nature gave u so u forget how much u have nothing to do down here[12:59:07] <Methe> what a bastard the one who didthat[13:00:58] <@mahlzeit> hmm[13:01:46] *** ahwayakchih has joined #haiku[13:01:49] <ahwayakchih> hih> hi all[13:01:50] <JBurton> hey ahwayakchih[13:01:53] <ahwayakchih> hih> hi JBurton[13:01:59] <JBurton> I was looking for you actually :P[13:02:02] <ahwayakchih> :)[13:02:04] * Methe reads newspaper. stupid peeps everywhere[13:02:15] *** fyysik has quit IRC[13:02:15] <JBurton> SDL won't compile cleanly[13:02:20] <ahwayakchih> JBurton ?[13:02:20] <JBurton> version 1.2.8[13:02:32] <JBurton> I get a syntax error in SDL_yuv_mmx.c[13:02:42] <JBurton> any idea ?[13:02:49] <ahwayakchih> JBurton hmm what compiler You used[13:02:50] <ahwayakchih> ?[13:03:22] <JBurton> 2.95.3[13:03:25] <JBurton> the RIGHT ONE :P[13:03:37] <ahwayakchih> strange, IIRC i compiled it without problems...[13:03:57] <ahwayakchih> wait, i'll duplicate directory and try to make clea build[13:04:00] <ahwayakchih> clean even[13:04:48] <JBurton> oki[13:04:51] <JBurton> thanks :P[13:04:59] <ahwayakchih> ;][13:05:35] <ahwayakchih> anyone from UK or Ireland (Iriu? :) here?[13:09:31] <Methe> o boulot[13:09:40] <Methe> àrévisiassonage[13:09:51] <Methe> an 26 12:09:51 <Methe> a remettre dans l'ordre[13:10:01] <Methe> oups wrong channel[13:10:09] <Methe> :p[13:10:35] *** thaflo_ has joined #haiku[13:10:46] <ahwayakchih> JBurton it compiled fine here[13:11:06] <ahwayakchih> JBurton but i'll check if i didn't change file in any way ;][13:12:23] <ahwayakchih> nope[13:12:46] <ahwayakchih> file is unchanged from SDL-1.2.8.tar.gz[13:13:18] <ahwayakchih> JBurton can You give me error line?[13:13:37] <ahwayakchih> JBurton also config.log could bring some light[13:13:59] <ahwayakchih> JBurton BTW why do You need to compile it? ;])[13:15:33] <@Korli> JBurton for bottom line window (aka input method support), i'm forwarding B_INPUT_METHOD_EVENT to my own textview[13:15:45] <ahwayakchih> JBurton dif -r -u between my build dir and fresh unarchived dir showed no differences at all[13:15:45] <@Korli> is there any reason why it doesn't work ?[13:16:07] <ahwayakchih> JBurton so it must be config line/build environment problem[13:17:05] <ahwayakchih> anyone from England, Scottland or Ireland here?[13:17:30] <ahwayakchih> no islanders here ;)??[13:19:01] <@mahlzeit> well, these job tests suck[13:19:13] <Methe> ahah[13:19:17] <Methe> what a conclusion[13:19:18] <Methe> :D[13:19:21] <JBurton> ahwayakchih wait a sec, I was away[13:19:24] <Methe> now just do the real one:[13:19:30] <Methe> "What do i want to do ?"[13:19:41] <Methe> this on doenst sux but is a hell lot trickier[13:19:58] <@mahlzeit> especially if you can't figure out the answer ;-)[13:20:12] <Methe> precisely[13:21:14] <JBurton> ahwayakchih I need to compile it because... er, I need it ?:P[13:21:18] <@mahlzeit> maybe i should become a famous actor[13:21:19] <JBurton> I WANT to compile it :P[13:21:37] <Methe> mahlzeit: azny "should" is out of the correct answer[13:21:46] <JBurton> Korli hmm wait a sec.... your textview is the one in the bottom window ?[13:22:22] <ahwayakchih> JBurton give me config.log and error line otherwise i have no idea what's wrong - it all builds just fine here[13:22:37] <JBurton> I don't ahve (obviously) config.log here[13:22:44] <JBurton> but I can show you the offending line[13:22:45] <JBurton> wait a sec[13:22:47] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has joined #haiku[13:22:53] <ahwayakchih> JBurton i know, but You can send it to me by mail later :)[13:23:11] <JBurton> I'll see if I can :P[13:23:18] <ahwayakchih> :)[13:23:44] <ahwayakchih> for now maybe error line will tel me something[13:23:54] <JBurton> ahwayakchih function void ColorRGBDitherYV12MMX1X[13:24:13] <JBurton> near the end[13:24:30] <JBurton> it gives me an error where "m" (cr), "r"(cb),"r"(lum),[13:24:30] <JBurton> "r"(row1),"r"(cols),"r"(row2),"m"(x),"m"(y),"m"(mod),[13:24:30] <JBurton> [_MMX_0080w] "m" (*MMX_0080w),[13:24:45] <JBurton> it doesn't like the [[13:25:01] <ahwayakchih> o_O[13:25:39] <ahwayakchih> JBurton gcc -v here: gcc version 2.95.3-beos-041202[13:25:50] <JBurton> I think I have the same[13:25:53] <JBurton> I'll check though[13:26:02] <@Korli> JBurton yeah[13:26:25] <ahwayakchih> IIRC it's the 2.9.5.3 by Oliver, from bebits (so no internal/testing/whatever version, just the one form bebits)[13:26:27] <JBurton> Korli does it have the B_INPUT_AWARE flag ?[13:26:32] <JBurton> ah right it's a textview :P[13:26:57] <JBurton> is it a plain textview ? no weird stuff ?[13:27:16] <@Korli> JBurton yeah[13:27:53] <ahwayakchih> JBurton hmm few days ago there were some mails about asm stuff regarding 64bit amd... and they mentioned something about changing "r" to "Q"..[13:28:44] <JBurton> hmmmmm[13:29:10] <ahwayakchih> err... "q" to "r".. and it was in endianess code so probably something completly different ;[[13:29:18] <JBurton> ahwayakchih :P[13:29:38] <JBurton> Korli you aren't getting those messages at all in the textview ?[13:29:56] <@Korli> JBurton no[13:30:06] <@Korli> at least nothing is displayed[13:30:13] <JBurton> that's weird[13:30:36] <JBurton> you could try, in your BWindow subclass, in DispatchMessage(), to check if those messages gets there[13:30:48] <@Korli> but when forcing the bottom line window with an active B_INPUT_AWARE view, it works[13:31:50] <JBurton> Korli hmmm I don't think I understand what you meant[13:31:55] <@Korli> JBurton i'm doing a "PostMessage(msg, fTextView);[13:32:09] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[13:32:10] *** qwm has quit IRC[13:32:17] <ahwayakchih> hih> hi fyysik[13:32:19] <JBurton> the window needs to be active, though[13:32:31] <@Korli> why ?[13:32:44] <JBurton> because BTextView needs it, IIRC[13:32:50] <fyysik> hi ahwayakchih[13:32:53] <JBurton> it doesn't do anything with an inactive window[13:33:01] <JBurton> thats, always IIRC[13:33:10] *** thaflo has quit IRC[13:33:11] *** thaflo_ is now known as thaflo[13:34:12] *** fyysik has quit IRC[13:34:53] *** qwm has joined #haiku[13:35:03] <@Korli> JBurton my bottom line window is active even if it doesn't have focus[13:35:56] <@Korli> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/open-beos/current/src/servers/input/BottomlineWindow.cpp?rev=1.1&view=auto[13:40:25] <JBurton> Korli BTextView needs also to be the focus view[13:40:46] <@Korli> oh sure ?[13:41:06] <JBurton> yeah[13:41:25] <JBurton> check http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/open-beos/current/src/kits/interface/BTextView/TextView.cpp?rev=1.62&view=markup[13:41:26] <@Korli> i> i don't understand why[13:41:28] <JBurton> WindowActivated()[13:41:56] <JBurton> I think it's to avoid to do some stuff if not needed[13:43:02] <@Korli> but "(window_look) 25" is a special case[13:43:05] * Methe goes to school[13:43:09] <Methe> c u tonight kaiku world[13:43:50] <JBurton> Korli is it for the bottomline window ?[13:44:04] <JBurton> ah yes I see[13:45:32] *** FastJack_ has joined #haiku[13:45:42] *** reffie_ has joined #haiku[13:45:43] <@Korli> InputServer receives an event to tell if the current view is input method aware[13:45:53] <@Korli> so there is no problem in theory[13:46:03] <JBurton> ah ok[13:46:15] <JBurton> that's the missing piece you needed[13:46:15] <@Korli> except that the textview doesn't display input method events[13:46:21] <@Korli> yeah[13:46:49] <JBurton> can you add fTextView->MakeFocus() in your bottomline window constructor ?[13:48:21] *** FastJack has quit IRC[13:48:21] *** reffie has quit IRC[13:48:57] <JBurton> Korli[13:48:58] *** nathanw has quit IRC[13:49:22] *** nathanw has joined #haiku[13:49:47] <@Korli> JBurton yeah[13:51:16] <@Korli> Focus is in a window ?[13:52:08] <JBurton> yeah[13:52:15] <@Korli> "No `Timezones' or `libgccObjects' found in ../../../build!" argh[13:52:20] <JBurton> :P[13:55:48] <@Korli> RC still rebuilding ...[13:57:04] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has quit IRC[14:00:28] <JBurton> that's why I usually use a small beide project for my own stuff :P[14:02:25] <@Korli> lots of stuff done by jam[14:02:48] <JBurton> right[14:04:44] <@Korli> JBurton it's the same[14:04:59] <JBurton> grrr[14:04:59] <JBurton> bad[14:05:04] <JBurton> anyway, got to go now[14:05:14] <@Korli> ah no[14:05:17] <@Korli> it works a bit[14:05:20] <JBurton> oooooh[14:05:21] <JBurton> cool[14:05:31] <@Korli> input_server just crashed when i pressed Enter[14:06:07] <@Korli> i> i need a way to kill this debug_server with telnet ![14:06:37] <JBurton> :P[14:07:40] <@Korli> ok i think i should watch start and stop of input method to create or destroy the bottom line window[14:08:23] <JBurton> yeah[14:08:27] <JBurton> that looks ok[14:08:33] <@Korli> i> i don't know either how to send the actual string to the app_server (key_down event ?)[14:08:48] <@Korli> once input method stopped[14:08:54] <JBurton> yes[14:08:55] <JBurton> exactly[14:09:04] <JBurton> no, wait[14:09:05] <JBurton> :P[14:09:09] <JBurton> hrmrmrmrmrrm[14:09:10] <JBurton> yeah[14:09:13] <JBurton> definitely[14:09:15] <JBurton> an 26 13:09:15 <JBurton> a keydown event[14:09:23] <@Korli> with no keycode[14:09:25] <JBurton> yeah[14:09:49] <@Korli> anyway i can find out this[14:10:00] <JBurton> I really have to go now :P[14:10:01] <JBurton> bye[14:10:06] <@Korli> bye[14:10:08] <@Korli> thanks[14:10:12] <JBurton> no prob :P[14:10:14] <JBurton> bye ahwayakchih[14:10:27] *** JBurton has quit IRC[14:15:00] <ahwayakchih> cya[14:15:04] *** ahwayakchih has quit IRC[14:15:52] *** trefas has joined #haiku[14:16:42] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[14:23:16] *** sys2 has quit IRC[14:25:31] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[15:14:59] *** reffie_ is now known as reffie[15:24:32] *** bernie34 has joined #haiku[15:24:47] *** bernie34 has quit IRC[15:33:31] *** TuneTracker has quit IRC[15:34:02] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has joined 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the volume system[16:27:26] <agentmumu> hehe[16:27:31] <@mmu_man> arf[16:27:35] <@mmu_man> there is a /system[16:27:44] <@mmu_man> to /boot/beos/system[16:28:09] <@mmu_man> try System with a cap maybe :)[16:28:09] <nielx> yup, and that link is probably set up before the /boot/ link[16:28:12] *** SamuelGZ has quit IRC[16:28:25] <@mmu_man> maybe not, but either will panic I suppose[16:28:55] <nielx> I'll just name it something sensible[16:29:16] <nielx> beatrix or s[16:37:52] <nielx> thanks mmu_man[16:37:54] *** nielx has quit IRC[16:39:42] *** naaina_ has quit IRC[16:40:19] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[16:52:21] *** nielx has joined #haiku[16:52:26] <nielx> Okay, next problem[16:52:38] <nielx> if you're hit by the memory limitation, when does the system crash?[16:54:50] <nielx> Other problem, after the boot screen, the screen goes black[16:54:57] <nielx> I tried several safe mode resolutions[16:55:03] <nielx> but I get nothing[17:00:12] <@mahlzeit> <--- don't know[17:00:44] <nielx> damn[17:01:07] <@mahlzeit> pull out a memory stick and see what happens :-)[17:01:24] <nielx> Hmmm, guess I'll do that[17:01:46] <@mahlzeit> turn the computer off first :-)[17:03:01] <nielx> too bad there's no hotplugging ram yet[17:04:21] <@mahlzeit> sure there is :-)[17:05:01] <nielx> okay, another reason not to trust windows[17:05:10] <nielx> When it says you have 1,256 mb ram[17:05:12] <nielx> it lies[17:05:15] <nielx> you have 512 mb[17:05:31] <@mahlzeit> ?[17:05:49] <@mahlzeit> maybe you have 512mb on your video card :-)[17:08:42] <nielx> Hmmm[17:08:54] <nielx> booting the installer in safe mode is no problem, but booting from hd fails[17:08:58] <nielx> locks up actually[17:22:47] <nielx> can you boot into tracker from the installation cd?[17:25:29] <@mahlzeit> yes[17:25:52] <@mahlzeit> start up a terminal and type /boot/system/Tracker&[17:26:02] <@mahlzeit> terminal = shift+ctrl+alt+t i think[17:26:08] <nielx> okay[17:26:08] <pres589> bring up Team Monitor and restart the desktop[17:26:10] <pres589> that's how I do it[17:26:23] <pres589> ctrl-alt-del, then hit "restart desktop"[17:26:42] <pres589> and then, yeah, bring up a term and type "bootman" and you're off to the races[17:29:05] *** RageMax has joined #haiku[17:29:22] *** dipp has quit IRC[17:29:58] <nielx> What could be the reason for BeOS not recognising my hard drive without going into safe mode?[17:30:15] <nielx> (during boot it gives an error about not being able to find a bootable medium)[17:31:25] <pres589> how's it connected to your system?[17:31:38] <pres589> like, through a controller card, or the onboard IDE headers?[17:32:47] <nielx> onboard ide[17:33:09] <nielx> could it be the fact that the beos distro I'm using is using the ide replacement drivers?[17:33:50] <pres589> I've never had a problem with the IDE replacement drivers and in fact I wish I had rolled them into my Dano install CD, I always have to run the cable for the HD back to the main board instead of leaving it on my Promise Ultra TX2[17:34:31] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[17:35:02] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[17:35:05] <nielx> anyway, I'll reinstall windows first on that system[17:35:25] <nielx> Unfortunately this laptop is running dry (left the power supply at the other side of the country)[17:35:29] <pres589> the controller on the mainboard may not have decent support in BeOS[17:35:35] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[17:35:38] <nielx> It's a pretty new machine[17:35:42] <nielx> but I disgress[17:35:47] <nielx> CU all laer[17:35:48] *** nielx has quit IRC[17:35:52] <fyysik> Korli - i moved one statement ( emuxki_reg_write_32(&card->config, EMU_INTE, EMU_INTE_SAMPLERATER | EMU_INTE_PCIERRENABLE);) above install_io_interrupt_handler - to prevent media preferences hanging[17:36:05] <fyysik> in comparison to my previous code[17:41:33] <fyysik> 3.0.10 also don't crash, mmu_man, according to reports. So look for sources at bebits in next days:)[17:46:07] *** xeD has quit IRC[17:46:21] <w-ber> 18:42:23 < Hackykid> ok, who likes my macro:[17:46:21] <w-ber> 18:42:24 < Hackykid> #define GETBITS(x,y,z) (((x) >> (y)) & ((1 << ((z) - (x) + 1)) -1))[17:46:25] <w-ber> 18:42:38 < Hackykid> int railbit = (p2 >> 4) & 7; ----> int railbit = GETBITS(p2, 4, 6);[17:47:05] *** TuneTracker has quit IRC[17:48:42] *** BetaMax has joined #haiku[17:53:28] *** BetaMax has quit IRC[17:56:16] *** thies_ has joined #haiku[18:14:52] *** Koki has joined #haiku[18:15:08] *** thies has quit IRC[18:15:25] *** Koki has quit IRC[18:23:39] *** Racer__X has joined #haiku[18:24:15] *** Dr_Rock has joined #haiku[18:25:18] *** Dr_Rock has quit IRC[18:26:09] *** Dr_Rock has joined #haiku[18:27:04] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[18:28:05] *** Dr_Rock has quit IRC[18:29:24] *** TuneTracker has joined #haiku[18:29:40] *** illissius_ has quit IRC[18:44:10] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[18:48:51] <@mmu_man> fyysik he probably didn't use the same configure options[18:54:37] *** sys2 has joined #haiku[19:03:45] *** shackan_ has joined #haiku[19:03:46] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[19:05:43] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[19:06:53] *** dr_evil has joined #haiku[19:11:55] *** ahwayakchih has joined #haiku[19:11:57] <ahwayakchih> re[19:12:36] <ahwayakchih> fyysik[19:12:49] *** idJoe has joined #haiku[19:13:15] *** m_eiman has joined #haiku[19:16:34] *** VirtualDarKness has joined #haiku[19:16:52] *** ConneX has joined #haiku[19:18:09] *** VirtualDarKness has quit IRC[19:19:04] *** thaflo has quit IRC[19:20:26] <idJoe> test[19:20:37] <Methe> test[19:20:40] <CIA-8> axeld * current/src/kernel/glue/arch/ppc/ (Jamfile crti.S crtn.S): Added crti/n files for PPC - not tested, but they even might work.[19:21:02] *** thaflo has joined #haiku[19:21:51] *** Korli2 has joined #haiku[19:22:50] *** idJoe has quit IRC[19:23:01] <CIA-8> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/arch/ppc/ (arch_int.c arch_thread.c arch_vm_translation_map.cpp):[19:23:01] <CIA-8> Replaced old VM *_region() calls with current calls.[19:23:01] <CIA-8> KSTACK_SIZE has been renamed to KERNEL_STACK_SIZE.[19:28:15] <CIA-8> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/arch/ppc/arch_real_time_clock.c: Added arch_rtc_init() function.[19:29:17] <CIA-8> axeld * current/headers/private/kernel/arch/real_time_clock.h: Added arch_rtc_init() function prototype.[19:31:57] <CIA-8> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/arch/x86/arch_real_time_clock.c: Added arch_rtc_init() function.[19:31:58] <CIA-8> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/real_time_clock.c:[19:31:58] <CIA-8> Moved initialization of the arch depending real_time_data fields into the arch[19:31:58] <CIA-8> depending section by calling arch_rtc_init().[19:38:56] *** sys2 has quit IRC[19:39:48] <CIA-8> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/arch/ppc/ (arch_system_info.c Jamfile):[19:39:49] <CIA-8> Added empty arch_system_info functions, added arch_system_info.c to the build.[19:39:49] <CIA-8> Removed grist from libppc source files.[19:40:39] <CIA-8> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/arch/ppc/arch_cpu.c: Added empty arch_cpu_shutdown() (just returns EOPNOTSUPP for now).[19:40:46] *** sys2 has joined #haiku[19:41:20] <CIA-8> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/arch/ppc/arch_dbg_console.c: Added empty arch_dbg_con_init_settings().[19:42:00] *** thaflo has quit IRC[19:42:27] *** oco has joined #haiku[19:45:05] *** ahwayakchih has quit IRC[19:45:50] <sys2> damn if i could use beos on lappy :/[19:45:59] <sys2> but will need drivers for a netgear wireless if i do :/[19:47:08] <dr_evil> my netgear MA401 works with the hfa384x driver[19:48:18] <sys2> dunno what the card i will get is .. its a package, wireless router + pccard[19:49:12] <sys2> Netgear WGB511GE 802.11g Wireless Router and PC card[19:49:22] <sys2> is what it says :P[19:49:51] <dr_evil> well, I bought the MA401 for about 25 EUR[19:50:20] <sys2> its about 1000sek for a router and pccard .. its not a bad price imo :>[19:50:29] <sys2> dunno what that makes in euro[19:50:34] <sys2> but like 90 or something? :>[19:51:01] *** dos4 has joined #haiku[19:51:08] <sys2> http://www.netgear.com/products/details/WGB511.php <-- cant find anywhere where it says actualy what card it is :/[19:51:27] *** mmadia has quit IRC[19:51:34] <dos4> however, it is possible to find a supported PCMCIA WLAN card![19:51:46] *** dos4 is now known as dr_Evil_[19:52:01] <ConneX> sys2, if you want a mini pci card; check the Intel/Pro 2200bg (driver from Patrick), and PCMCIA, prism (and orinoco) cards should work (hfa384x from patrick) :)[19:52:11] <ConneX> its lovely to have Wifi on beos.. i have :)[19:52:15] <sys2> dr_Evil_sure .. but thats a kit! ... if i want to buy em by themselfs it will be more expensive :>[19:53:12] <dr_Evil_> well, I have one notebook and two WLAN cards, go figure[19:53:48] <sys2> il see what i can do when i actualy have ordered it .. if i cant get it working .. fine i can use linux or find a card that is supported in beos :>[19:54:47] *** dipp has joined #haiku[19:59:25] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[20:00:03] *** frankps has joined #haiku[20:00:41] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[20:02:25] *** dipp has quit IRC[20:03:23] *** Dr_Rock has joined #haiku[20:03:34] *** Dr_Rock has left #haiku[20:05:42] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[20:06:40] *** DaaT has quit IRC[20:08:37] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[20:10:58] *** mahlzeit has quit IRC[20:19:44] *** FastJack_ has quit IRC[20:19:48] *** FastJack has joined #haiku[20:21:20] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[20:22:52] *** lizdeika has joined #haiku[20:31:15] *** frankps is now known as fps-food[20:40:25] *** MikeW has quit IRC[20:47:20] *** thaflo has joined #haiku[20:47:52] *** TuneTracker has quit IRC[20:53:20] *** Korli2 has quit IRC[20:54:21] *** thies_ has quit IRC[21:02:13] *** thies has joined #haiku[21:12:22] *** alphakiller has joined #haiku[21:22:20] * sys2 wants the source for gcc 3.4.3 for beos[21:22:25] <sys2> where can i get that? :>[21:22:47] <sys2> i know its not binary compatible blablabla but im going to try getting avr-gcc working :>[21:27:47] *** thaflo has quit IRC[21:28:23] *** thaflo has joined #haiku[21:30:33] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku[21:37:00] <dr_Evil_> oh avr-gcc is nice[21:37:22] <sys2> if i didnt have to patch it to hell for it to support atmega88 :/[21:38:38] *** m_eiman has quit IRC[21:39:42] *** BGA has joined #haiku[21:39:42] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[21:39:55] *** AtomoZero has joined #haiku[21:41:49] *** lymon has joined #haiku[21:44:08] <AtomoZero> ola DaaT[21:44:48] <DaaT> olá AtomoZero :)[21:45:08] <AtomoZero> :)[21:45:54] <DaaT> how's it going?[21:47:33] <AtomoZero> bien :)[21:49:04] <DaaT> :)[21:54:57] <CIA-8> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/nv_acc_dma.c: fixed fill_rect and fill_span 8, 15 and 16 bit colorspaces for NV10Arch. Tested and OK on NV11.[21:55:03] <fyysik> lymon - did you try Eddie editor? Maybe you'll like it more than Pe?[21:57:35] <dr_Evil_> lymon btw, were you successful in downloading the cvs archive?[21:57:44] <fyysik> AtomoZero - did you test SAMBA 3.0.5 yourself?[21:58:01] <lymon> fyysik, thanks[21:58:45] <lymon> dr_evil: yes thanks, i put it in my repository get it and now it is synched with cvs.sf.net[21:59:42] <lymon> dr_evil, today i read on berlios.de that it is available in svn[22:00:09] <lymon> i subscribed at berlios, and preparing to get it from there[22:00:16] <AtomoZero> fyysik no :( i have test 2.x.x[22:00:27] <AtomoZero> i am on downloading =)[22:00:37] <AtomoZero> whit my sux 56k \:([22:00:44] <fyysik> ahh[22:01:25] <AtomoZero> fyysik when release 3.10 =)[22:02:32] <AtomoZero> ^___^[22:02:41] <dr_Evil_> lymon no it's not yet available[22:02:59] <dr_Evil_> there is a test project, the real move will happen at february 25th[22:03:09] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[22:03:09] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[22:03:24] <fyysik> AtomoZero - 3.10 was tested today. It compiles and works[22:03:25] <lymon> dr_evil, ok thanks for info[22:04:16] <AtomoZero> rulez =)[22:05:16] <@mmu_man> fyysik not even 3.0.5 works here I guess I picked an configure options set[22:05:55] <@mmu_man> AtomoZero it's not that new...[22:05:56] <@mmu_man> -rw-r--r-- 1 revol users 16650 Jan 15 2004 /boot/home/patches/samba-3.0.0-0001.patch.txt[22:06:11] * dr_Evil_ is on a chocolate diet[22:06:13] <fyysik> sad. Maybe we should work together with Gerasim. He has rich plans for additional features[22:06:26] <fyysik> s/we/you == mmu_man[22:06:44] <tic> dr_Evil_, how does it work?[22:07:02] <dr_Evil_> tic, simple, I don't eat anymore chocolate[22:08:24] <tic> dr_Evil_, ah. any praticular reasonL[22:08:25] <tic> ?[22:08:36] <@mmu_man> fyysik additional ?[22:09:00] <dr_Evil_> yeah, Im getting too fat[22:09:09] <fyysik> mmu_man - yeah[22:09:24] <tic> dr_Evil_, that's bad. tried working out?[22:09:31] <@mmu_man> like ?[22:09:40] <fyysik> like Userland-Fs based cifsbrowser and something more, i don't remember at the moment[22:09:53] <fyysik> sorry:([22:09:55] <@mmu_man> fyysik I have that on schedule since long ago also :p[22:10:09] <@mmu_man> I just need clones :)[22:10:29] <fyysik> or someone to share ideas and success:)[22:10:35] <sys2> bah[22:10:36] <@mmu_man> actually I want something more generic, addon-based WON so to speak :)[22:10:49] <dr_Evil_> tic yeah but thats not enough[22:10:53] <sys2> is it --enable-language or languages ? (gcc when configuring)[22:11:18] <tic> dr_Evil_, *nod* cutting down on _all_ candy/sweets/cookies and regular excercising should be enough.[22:11:43] <@mmu_man> crap I tried 4 different configure option sets[22:11:47] <@mmu_man> all crash[22:12:10] <@mmu_man> if I remove one of the CP850 and CP457 it doesn't[22:12:37] <fyysik> mmu_man - ahh, another one was GUI configurator add-on for Boneyard, as i told, then better user-data-and-password support, and again, forgot next thing:([22:13:10] <@mmu_man> fyysik there again it would be nice to have a generic "share this folder" stuff[22:13:13] <fyysik> mmu_man - bot 850 and 457, as he said, are aslo supported dynamically[22:13:37] <fyysik> so need to include those statically[22:13:41] <fyysik> no need[22:13:51] <@mmu_man> which you can choose to share with AFS, SMB, NFS...[22:14:10] <@mmu_man> fyysik yes I'm doing static builds atm, and I think there is a nasty bug in their code[22:14:29] <@mmu_man> both files #include the same big macro DECLARE_COEPAGE_FOO()[22:16:02] <fyysik> heh[22:17:38] *** slaad has joined #haiku[22:19:09] <tic> yo slaadster![22:21:08] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC[22:24:14] <slaad> Yo, tic[22:26:19] <@mmu_man> fyysik[22:26:20] <@mmu_man> [revol@patrick /Devel/home/config/bin]$ nm -D ../servers/smbd |grep CP[22:26:21] <@mmu_man> 0024dd2c D CP437_functions[22:26:21] <@mmu_man> 0024dd18 D CP850_functions[22:26:32] <@mmu_man> dynamically loaded, hmmm[22:27:22] <dr_Evil_> yay linux module support[22:27:34] <lymon> does it supports japanese 932 codepage ? :)[22:27:58] <fyysik> lymon - at least it supports now UTF-8 natively:)[22:28:10] <lymon> good[22:29:03] * lymon do like japanese alphabed glyphs[22:29:30] * Methe studies chinese :)[22:32:21] <@mmu_man> fyysik UTF-8 is enabled by default[22:32:22] <@mmu_man> now...[22:32:45] <fyysik> ik> i know[22:32:59] <fyysik> good for beOS[22:33:17] <@mmu_man> no wonder his doesn't crash, he just did the ugly hack I was about to do, that is comment out a line that inits those charsets[22:33:29] <@mmu_man> that won't help them fix their code...[22:35:47] * mmu_man also can do such ugly hacks... but prefers something that works fully[22:38:26] <fyysik> mmu_man - but at least it points at their bug:)[22:39:13] *** Korli2 has joined #haiku[22:40:20] <fyysik> Korli is replicating - look at that example of cloning, mmu_man:)[22:40:57] <Korli2> hey fyysik[22:41:29] <fyysik> hey Korli2[22:42:39] <@mmu_man> lol yeah I want a licence on that patent[22:43:42] *** SamuelGZ has joined #haiku[22:44:59] *** voidref has joined #haiku[22:44:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o voidref[22:47:57] <tic> hey voidref.[22:55:52] <@mmu_man> fyysik ERROR: Could not determine network interfaces, you must use a interfaces config line[22:56:04] <@mmu_man> I gues he didn't finish his port :P[22:56:12] *** Konrad has quit IRC[22:56:57] <fyysik> mmu_man - this is why 3.05 wasn't published at bebits yet[22:57:16] <fyysik> need to put interface manually in smb.conf like in old samba port[22:57:38] <dr_Evil_> ohh, it compiled, lets publish that port![22:59:01] <fyysik> bit more. it don't crash and it works[23:00:40] <@mmu_man> fyysik actually it doesn't even work here :p[23:00:57] <@mmu_man> I guess it's confused by my $USER[23:01:13] <@mmu_man> now sorry but that's not what I call a publishable port :p[23:01:41] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[23:01:47] <fyysik> mmu_man - actually man waits for reports[23:02:19] <fyysik> you may hold something under cover and struggle against it alone...[23:02:20] *** ConneX has quit IRC[23:02:31] <fyysik> but may allow people to participate[23:02:53] <@mmu_man> fyysik well I fixed that interface list stuff like 1 year ago[23:03:12] <fyysik> mmu_man - and again, nobody besides you did know about[23:03:15] <@mmu_man> can't he come in there or beshare[23:03:20] <fyysik> so no SAMBA for BeOS[23:03:41] <fyysik> he visits BeShare sometimes, problem is time zone[23:03:51] <fyysik> he is in Far East[23:04:01] <@mmu_man> and I ain't write bug reports in russian :)[23:04:11] <fyysik> mmu_man - write in english[23:04:20] <@mmu_man> that I know :P[23:05:23] <DaaT> with his english? "i ain't write" :D[23:05:28] <DaaT> better russian[23:05:53] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[23:06:28] <@mmu_man> DaaT ok american :P[23:06:44] <DaaT> ok, makes sense ;)[23:06:49] <@mmu_man> I ain't slap you if you apologise[23:06:57] <@mmu_man> (sp?)[23:07:01] <DaaT> lol[23:07:05] <DaaT> perfect spelling[23:07:16] * DaaT applauds[23:07:18] <@mmu_man> eh[23:09:14] *** thies has quit IRC[23:09:23] * fyysik thinks about removing FF/Mozilla from bebits, as those definitely cannot fullfill any quality criteria:( - to make dr_Evil_ feel himself perfect[23:11:13] *** thies has joined #haiku[23:11:33] <@mmu_man> brb[23:11:43] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[23:11:47] <MikeW> but whats better fyysik?[23:11:54] <dr_Evil_> no need to do that fyysik, I already feel good[23:12:30] <lymon> fyssik, mozilla/bone is quite stable in my box[23:13:17] <fyysik> lymon - no DND, no Printing, needs script to start, needs font settings to be set manually for i18n users, etc etc[23:13:50] <Methe> anyway iot's great for us[23:13:58] <mmadia> fyysik moz.JustBrowser is built for bone + netserver.... no noticeble problems yet.[23:14:11] *** Methe has quit IRC[23:14:39] <fyysik> Methe - this is rather discussion if not-yet-perfect things may be published or should be burried in developer's basement[23:15:17] *** AtomoZero has quit IRC[23:15:18] <lymon> fyysik, on bebits there are more unstable and more unuseful applications ;-)[23:20:25] *** petterhj has quit IRC[23:21:48] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[23:25:28] *** slaad has quit IRC[23:26:22] *** thaflo has quit IRC[23:30:02] *** thaflo has joined #haiku[23:34:37] *** thaflo has quit IRC[23:44:17] *** fps-food has quit IRC[23:47:55] *** Racer__X has quit IRC[23:49:07] *** jonaskirilla has joined #haiku[23:52:44] <jonaskirilla> hey guys[23:53:33] <jonaskirilla> is there a time of the day where you core guys gather in here in some formal or informal capacity?[23:54:04] <dr_Evil_> yes there is[23:54:10] <jonaskirilla> I'm asking since it seems mphipps and bonefish were here about 20 hours ago[23:54:26] <jonaskirilla> dr_Evil_: around what time?[23:54:43] <dr_Evil_> monday, same time as now[23:55:14] <jonaskirilla> ah, monday evenings (from a European POV)[23:55:47] <jonaskirilla> thanks, dr_Evil_