January 24, 2005 
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January 24, 2005 [00:00:20] <@Korli> hey fyysik dr_evil[00:00:41] <dr_evil> Korli I put up the current media preferences and audio mixer at bebits[00:00:59] <CIA-8> bonefish * current/src/kernel/core/messaging/MessagingService.h: Removed obsolete ancestor.[00:01:04] <fyysik> so now enjoying my SB sound again:)[00:03:00] *** Methe has quit IRC[00:04:39] <@Korli> dr_evil that's ok[00:05:37] *** lymon has quit IRC[00:13:39] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has quit IRC[00:22:18] *** oco has quit IRC[00:22:31] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[00:35:29] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[00:35:47] *** Racer__X has quit IRC[00:45:18] *** fyysik has quit IRC[00:45:40] *** mmadia has quit IRC[00:48:08] *** Tenzin has joined #haiku[00:50:28] *** Rafn has joined #haiku[00:52:15] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[00:55:29] <fyysik> Korli ?[00:55:52] * fyysik thinks that 60 Hz refresh in vesa mode is ugly[01:02:53] *** illissius[sleep] has quit IRC[01:03:11] *** illissius[sleep] has joined #haiku[01:04:40] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[01:05:21] *** fyysik has quit IRC[01:08:39] *** Rafn has quit IRC[01:11:35] *** DaaT has quit IRC[01:13:32] *** dipp has quit IRC[01:15:40] *** Korli has quit IRC[01:34:10] *** dr_evil has quit IRC[01:34:10] *** Tenzin has quit IRC[01:46:31] <matricks> anyone alive? :)[01:47:11] * mmadia arises from the dead[01:47:19] <matricks> roar :)[01:47:24] <mmadia> braaains.... fresh brains[01:47:47] <matricks> "Since I didn't dare to run the unit tests in Bochs (which would quite literally take weeks), only basic tests have been performed, but in principle we should now be able to run most non-graphical applications."[01:47:52] <matricks> so... gcc runs?[01:49:17] <mmadia> good question. :)[01:51:26] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[11:49:21] *** [Beta] has joined #haiku[11:54:42] *** freaxeD has joined #haiku[11:57:32] *** xeD has quit IRC[11:58:59] *** freaxeD is now known as xeD[12:02:47] *** Master199 has quit IRC[12:03:38] *** sys2 has quit IRC[12:04:50] <@Korli> hey JBurton[12:10:37] *** sys2 has joined #haiku[12:10:37] *** JBurton has quit IRC[12:11:53] *** JBurton has joined #haiku[12:12:18] <JBurton> re[12:14:23] <CIA-8> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/ (GetAccelerantHook.c engine/nv_acc_dma.c): DMA versions of fill_rect and fill_span (same core func still) are up! Removed some testlogging, their load became too high with these new functions added :)[12:17:03] <CIA-8> rudolfc * current/headers/private/graphics/nvidia/ (DriverInterface.h nv_acc.h): using NV4_GDI_RECTANGLE_TEXT instead of the older NV3 version for DMA acc. Seems like the old one can't be used with DMA (or I am hitting my limited knowledge on nVidia's Hash-table again..)[12:17:03] <@Korli> [12:02] <Korli> hey JBurton[12:17:57] <JBurton> hi Korli[12:18:10] <JBurton> sorry, my connection dropped some time ago Korli :P[12:18:16] <JBurton> I mean[12:18:16] <sys2> dammit[12:18:18] <JBurton> my machine rebooted[12:18:45] <sys2> does anyone have a wiring scheme over laptop network cards -> rj45 jacks ? .. i think there are two different and i cant get hold of a cable that fits my card ...[12:19:11] <JBurton> uh ?[12:19:13] <sys2> and the company that has made the stupid card thinks its fun to not show anyone the what pinns goes to what[12:19:15] <JBurton> should be the usual one[12:19:30] <JBurton> I mean, do laptops have different jacks ?[12:19:39] <sys2> i have two white, they do not work, my friend has a black, it works[12:19:49] <sys2> but i cant borrow it and check the connections myself :/&[12:20:05] <sys2> there are different pin outs on the network cards it seems[12:20:15] <sys2> stupid companies cant spell to the word standard[12:20:40] <sys2> http://www.edimax.com.tw/html/english/products/EP-410x.htm <-- that card :/[12:21:14] <JBurton> no idea, sorry sys2[12:21:17] <JBurton> Korli what's new ?[12:21:47] <sys2> so am i :/[12:33:41] <CIA-8> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/nv_acc_dma.c: shut-down that dumb ISA access for DMA. Acc speed just went through the roof! (testing with BeRoMeter). I'll now compare DMA and non-DMA speed on NV11 8-)[12:34:17] <JBurton> ooooh[12:38:46] <[Beta]> neat.[12:48:27] <sys2> ohh so its begginging to take shape now :>[12:52:49] <tic> cool. wonder if that means it will be faster to read from graphics memory as well.[12:53:02] <tic> (because that would make vnc server faster)=[12:53:16] <tic> ((2560x1024 pixels is a lot of data))[12:53:54] <JBurton> tic also BeScreenCapture :P[12:54:08] <JBurton> but, don't think so[12:54:15] <JBurton> at least, from what I know[12:54:19] <JBurton> (just a little)[12:54:42] <tic> that depends on if one can use DMA to read the data from the screen.[12:54:47] <tic> but probably not.[12:54:58] <tic> (screen = prahics mem)[12:55:09] <tic> graphics :)[12:56:53] <tic> *class*[12:58:55] <JBurton> frame buffers are meant to write on them[12:58:57] <JBurton> not read :P[13:08:44] *** lizdeika has joined #haiku[13:09:20] *** ConneX has joined #haiku[13:10:00] *** xeD has quit IRC[13:16:21] *** Dr3w has joined #haiku[13:19:43] <JBurton> Korli around ?[13:31:08] *** thaflo has quit IRC[13:41:48] *** nturner has joined #haiku[13:46:49] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[13:48:14] <fyysik> damn[13:48:17] <fyysik> no[13:48:56] <fyysik> Korli - forget our yesterday's chat[13:49:21] <fyysik> it crashes again, after i trie once other version[13:49:26] <fyysik> tried[13:50:20] *** ConneX has quit IRC[13:57:09] *** TuneTracker has joined #haiku[13:58:23] * mmu_man pets rudolf[14:10:44] *** illissius- has quit IRC[14:44:05] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[14:48:56] *** nturner has left #haiku[14:52:38] *** fyysik has quit IRC[14:59:56] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[15:00:29] <fyysik> when and why uninit_driver may be called?[15:02:09] <JBurton> when the driver is unloaded, IIRC[15:03:06] <fyysik> why it may happen?[15:03:16] <matricks> network restart?[15:04:25] <fyysik> that's weird.[15:04:29] *** lizdeika has quit IRC[15:05:00] <JBurton> reboot ?[15:05:12] <JBurton> why do you ask, fyysik ?[15:05:19] <fyysik> soundcard looks like in init process, but something is forcing driver uninit, while initialization process continues[15:05:30] <JBurton> !?!?[15:05:35] <fyysik> yup[15:05:50] <JBurton> is init_driver called once ?[15:05:53] <fyysik> ik> i still struggling with misterious emxuki crashes here[15:10:02] *** fyysik has quit IRC[15:10:12] *** thaflo has joined #haiku[15:13:10] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[15:15:30] *** sys2 has quit IRC[15:21:19] *** WindowsUninstall has joined #haiku[15:26:34] *** dipp has joined #haiku[15:32:46] *** WindowsUninstall has quit IRC[15:33:03] *** Sg_Henry has joined #haiku[15:34:41] <TuneTracker> http://www.lebuzz.blogspot.com[15:36:44] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[15:38:01] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[15:41:52] <CIA-8> korli * current/src/apps/pulse/ (Pulse.rdef Jamfile Pulse.rsrc):[15:41:52] <CIA-8> moved to rdef format[15:41:52] <CIA-8> added strlcpy.c for r5 builds[15:43:18] <ShackaN> LOL!!!![15:43:20] <ShackaN> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/01/24/0157218&from=rss[15:45:53] <dipp> yeah that one is hilarious[15:46:48] <JBurton> Korli fixing things, eh ? :P[15:47:52] <dipp> huh[15:48:00] <dipp> What was Waldermas nick?[15:48:35] <@mmu_man> ROTFL[15:48:35] <ShackaN> wkornew[15:48:42] <@mmu_man> PO. Box 286-DOS =)))[15:48:43] <ShackaN> IIRC[15:48:59] <ShackaN> mmu_man, but is that really *him* ?[15:49:10] <ShackaN> or is it a joke ?[15:49:27] <@mmu_man> really looks like him[15:49:32] <ShackaN> ROTFL![15:49:37] <@mmu_man> he didn't change in 20 years[15:49:42] <@mmu_man> http://www.blennus.com/video/microsoftsfirst2005failure.wmv that one is ncie too[15:50:05] <ShackaN> well, the video quality is quite crappy so I couldn't recognize him for sure[15:55:17] <@Korli> fyysik driver is loaded one time and then unloaded at boot time, it is then loaded when media server starts (multiaudio addon is loaded, it "opens" all multi dev entries)[15:55:46] <fyysik> ahh. interesting[15:56:02] <@Korli> JBurton yeah i thought axeld fixed this Pulse thing, but he didn't :)[15:56:25] <fyysik> it seems that that unloading happens at second load time[15:57:10] <tic> hey guys![16:00:06] <fyysik> reboot for clear results[16:00:10] *** fyysik has quit IRC[16:01:57] *** RageMax has joined #haiku[16:02:21] *** sys2 has joined #haiku[16:06:32] *** trefas has joined #haiku[16:15:00] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[16:15:15] <fyysik> what are first and last hooks called for drivers?[16:15:31] <fyysik> ik> i wish put enable dprintf there[16:15:33] <JBurton> init_hardware()[16:15:36] <JBurton> init_driver()[16:15:38] <JBurton> open_driver()[16:15:45] <JBurton> in this order[16:15:54] <fyysik> and in ending?[16:15:59] <JBurton> uninit_driver()[16:16:13] <JBurton> oh, and close_driver(), before that[16:19:19] <fyysik> ik> i got strange situation, first instance of driver is still active, coz it spends lot of time in initfx osr such, and gets unload call when seond instance is in mid of initialization of registers etc[16:19:24] <@Korli> init_hardware [ init_driver [ open_driver close_driver free_driver ] [ find_devices] uninit_driver ][16:20:33] <fyysik> it seems that if with some lucky coincidence first was unloaded at proper time, all starts ok[16:20:56] <fyysik> mystics, mystics[16:21:02] <fyysik> reboot[16:21:16] *** lymon has joined #haiku[16:21:18] *** fyysik has quit IRC[16:21:36] <JBurton> hmmm Korli I think it calls find_devices() before free()[16:23:17] *** m_eiman has joined #haiku[16:25:03] <@Korli> JBurton yeah i just don't know how to describe this with this language[16:25:55] <JBurton> :))[16:27:14] *** Methe has joined #haiku[16:27:52] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[16:31:24] <@Korli> fyysik does it crash if you rescan and restart media server ?[16:31:34] *** fyysik has quit IRC[16:34:31] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[16:34:39] <fyysik> missed last messages[16:34:56] <Methe> [15:30] <Korli> fyysik does it crash if you rescan and restart media server ?[16:35:14] <fyysik> ahh[16:36:13] <fyysik> Korli - i met such situations, when loaded without emuxki in drivers/bin, then copied it there and restarted media[16:36:35] <fyysik> heh, BONE seems dprinf-ing like teenager flooder[16:40:24] *** fyysik has quit IRC[16:43:36] *** sys2 has quit IRC[16:43:49] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[16:44:20] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[16:53:04] *** adioanca has joined #haiku[16:55:58] <adioanca> JBurton[16:56:01] <adioanca> hello[16:56:09] <adioanca> all :-)[16:56:24] <adioanca> Jack, private please[16:59:30] <transmogrify> ++[16:59:35] *** transmogrify has quit IRC[16:59:53] <Dr3w> later[16:59:57] *** Dr3w has quit IRC[17:02:46] *** sys2 has joined #haiku[17:06:10] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[17:06:28] <fyysik> am i missed something again?[17:07:26] <ShackaN> <agt smith mode> nothing for you to see here, move on </agt smith mode>[17:07:30] <ShackaN> :P[17:08:58] *** fyysik has quit IRC[17:13:55] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has joined #haiku[17:14:45] <CIA-8> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/nv_acc_dma.c: added checking to prevent DMA buffer overfills: it turns out for instance NV11 can't keep up with BeRoMeter and the engine crashes otherwise. It turns out NV11 is currently only working correctly in 32bit color mode BTW.[17:18:54] *** jonaskirilla has joined #haiku[17:21:37] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[17:21:47] <@Korli> hmm BeRoMeter ...[17:23:39] *** xeD has joined #haiku[17:24:00] <@Korli> JBurton do you know what to do to implement popup window which appears in place of inline text window for non IM aware views ?[17:24:37] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC[17:24:50] <JBurton> Korli haven't thought about it[17:25:01] <JBurton> sorry[17:25:15] *** Fanskapet has joined #haiku[17:25:20] <@Korli> JBurton ok[17:25:39] <@Korli> typically i'm not sure how to know if the current view is IM aware or not[17:25:49] <JBurton> Korli ah, yes, I think we talked about it[17:25:58] <@Korli> if i knew it, it should be easy[17:26:01] <JBurton> yeah[17:28:13] *** fyysik has quit IRC[17:33:56] *** Dr_Evil has joined #haiku[17:33:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Dr_Evil[17:35:46] <JBurton> hi Dr_Evil[17:36:11] <@Dr_Evil> hi[17:36:29] <@Korli> hi Dr_Evil[17:39:38] <@Dr_Evil> so whats going on with the emuxki patch?[17:39:46] *** adioanca has quit IRC[17:39:58] <@Dr_Evil> fyysik said he had prepared a patch[17:40:55] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[17:41:12] *** xeD has quit IRC[17:42:42] <@Korli> Dr_Evil[17:42:44] <@Korli> [13:46] <fyysik> Korli - forget our yesterday's chat[17:42:44] <@Korli> [13:46] <fyysik> it crashes again, after i trie once other version[17:43:13] <@Korli> i> i suppose it means the patch isn't good enough[17:44:03] <@Dr_Evil> I think fyysik isn't able to systematically search for the error[17:44:35] <fyysik> ok, again no more crashes[17:44:45] *** tqh has joined #haiku[17:44:47] <fyysik> as it crashed today almost in same places[17:45:06] *** lymon has quit IRC[17:45:27] <fyysik> protected some ops by lock() in emuxki setup[17:46:18] <fyysik> Dr_Evil - problem is that "error" isn't systematical itself[17:46:32] <fyysik> and those kprintf and dprintf are aslo unreliable[17:47:01] <fyysik> only mastership in asm may help, but it is also not so trivial in SUCH case, i think[17:49:40] <fyysik> e.g. whole morining half of this day i got find_device failed, inspite dprintfs showed that proper device name was assigned at proper place[17:50:07] <fyysik> which means that something inbetween is chaning or nullifying those name pointers[17:51:19] <fyysik> at last i got that emuxki_uninit is called while it is initalized. heh[17:51:54] <fyysik> anyway, going to do series of cold reboots with big pauses.[17:52:48] <fyysik> usually it at last allows to crash it of something is wrong[17:53:20] *** fyysik has quit IRC[17:53:30] <tqh> fyysik: Does the GUI drawing thread and the main-thread have to be the same for Mozilla?[17:53:34] <ShackaN> BE O S !!! be o es !!!! it's be o es whowhowhoooooooooooo![17:53:37] <tqh> damn, I missed him[17:54:24] <JBurton> tqh he'll be back in some tiem[17:54:25] <JBurton> time[17:55:46] *** Koki has joined #haiku[18:03:10] *** mnemo has joined #haiku[18:04:40] <JBurton> bye all[18:04:45] *** JBurton has quit IRC[18:05:23] <@Dr_Evil> fyysik: all those symptoms, including those from the debugigng weeks ago, indicate stack corruption[18:05:26] *** thaflo has quit IRC[18:06:09] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[18:09:21] <tqh> fyysik: Does the GUI drawing thread and the main-thread have to be the same for Mozilla?[18:09:36] <@Dr_Evil> fyysik: all those symptoms, including those from the debugigng weeks ago, indicate stack corruption[18:09:59] <fyysik> seems so, tqh. Look at fact of nsFilePicker blocking redrawing[18:10:09] <fyysik> with acquiring semaphore[18:10:16] <@Dr_Evil> you won't find them by adding dprintf, in fact, dprint heavyly modifies the stack[18:10:29] <fyysik> and kprintf?[18:10:51] *** jonaskirilla has quit IRC[18:10:55] <tqh> fyysik Well I'll probably try to test and do a special GUI-thread anyway[18:11:55] <@Dr_Evil> same[18:13:10] <fyysik> Dr_Evil - at least i got picture with 100 reboots of today - if uninit of this driver crossess with init - it crashes. at least according those unreliable dprintf. If uninit luckily happens before - it don't[18:16:59] <fyysik> tqh - there is now wiki.mozilla.org. It can be find some useful knowledge there. E.g, about scrolling. You can see there, that they implement there similar to BeOs approach:) But are plannning to rewrite it[18:18:17] <fyysik> ok, next shutdown with pause[18:18:27] <tqh> fyysik ok[18:18:42] <CIA-8> adioanca * current/src/servers/app/server/ (Layer.cpp RootLayer.cpp RootLayer.h): 3 global variables (gRedrawReg, gCopyRegList, gCopyList) went into RootLayer's property[18:19:16] *** fyysik has quit IRC[18:19:24] <dipp> things are starting to happen[18:19:37] <dipp> (or atleast I hope) :)[18:23:01] *** badonaway has joined #haiku[18:26:40] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[18:27:00] *** badonawy has quit IRC[18:27:28] *** fyysik is now known as fyy_laptop[18:27:35] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[18:30:48] <@Dr_Evil> fyy_laptop try putting the[18:30:49] *** Racer__X has joined #haiku[18:30:50] <@Dr_Evil> remove_io_interrupt_handler(card->config.irq, emuxki_int, card);[18:31:07] <fyy_laptop> where to?[18:31:11] <@Dr_Evil> line above the[18:31:12] <@Dr_Evil> * deallocate Emu10k1 caches and recording buffers Again it will be[18:31:13] <@Dr_Evil> block[18:31:23] <fyy_laptop> ok, will try[18:32:26] <fyy_laptop> you mean that i should move it some lines down from current position, Dr_Evil ?[18:33:12] <fyy_laptop> because remove laready presents in shutdown, but in just beginning[18:33:30] <@Dr_Evil> yes[18:33:45] <@Dr_Evil> first disable interrups, then uninstall handler[18:34:49] <@Dr_Evil> there is also another problem, all accesses to the various lists are not protected by irq disable + spinlock, but they should be, as the lists are also traversed in interrupt[18:35:44] <fyysik> ok,. first try with rescan and restart media[18:37:02] <fyy_laptop> Dr_Evil - until now i tried to protect emuxki_shutdown with lock/unlock in uninit, and add snooze after. it didint crash, but media server wont die with that at shutdown[18:37:20] <CIA-8> adioanca * current/src/servers/app/server/ (FMWList.cpp FMWList.h): Yes... I really don't remember why I haven't subclassed FMWList from BList...[18:37:46] *** Korli has quit IRC[18:38:14] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[18:38:22] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[18:39:43] <fyy_laptop> crash with moved remove_io_*[18:40:34] <@Dr_Evil> doesn't matter, it's better now[18:40:37] *** fyysik has quit IRC[18:42:51] <fyy_laptop> maybe there is sense to install interrupt handler in init also before allowing card to request interrupts?[18:43:45] *** illissius has joined #haiku[18:47:31] *** VirtualDarKness has joined #haiku[18:48:52] <fyy_laptop> win 3.11 terminal is shit. too small buffer[18:49:22] <@Dr_Evil> err WHAT?[18:49:52] <fyy_laptop> using 386SX old laptop as debug terminal:(([18:50:00] <ShackaN> LOL![18:50:08] <fyy_laptop> new laptop lack com-port[18:50:12] <fyy_laptop> lacks[18:50:35] <@Dr_Evil> the correct init is:[18:51:10] <@Dr_Evil> map card registers, disable card interrupts, initialize everything, install interrupt handler, enable card interrupts[18:55:45] *** MikeW has quit IRC[19:03:02] *** m_eiman has quit IRC[19:03:35] *** mmadia is now known as mmadia_[19:16:04] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has quit IRC[19:18:11] *** Potn has joined #haiku[19:25:21] *** VirtualDarKness has quit IRC[19:49:13] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[19:49:27] *** jepel_tailweaver has quit IRC[19:53:58] <CIA-8> axeld * current/src/apps/bin/listarea.c: Removed warnings, minor cleanup.[19:54:59] *** voidref has joined #haiku[19:54:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o voidref[19:55:31] *** mmadia_ has quit IRC[19:56:23] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has joined #haiku[19:59:21] *** Korli has joined #haiku[19:59:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Korli[20:04:44] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[20:04:55] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[20:06:11] *** Dr_Evil2 has joined #haiku[20:11:18] *** Dr_Evil has quit IRC[20:11:19] *** Dr_Evil2 is now known as Dr_Evil[20:17:33] <tqh> fyy_laptop: Windows seems to create a thread in nsToolkit and run RunPump[20:23:29] <fyy_laptop> what about QT?[20:24:00] <fyy_laptop> MS Windows also uses BWindow::MessageReceived() analog there[20:26:51] <tqh> I am looking not sure I understand Init anyway must look at idl[20:27:03] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[20:27:12] <fyy_laptop> didn't crash now. cold reboot test[20:27:16] <tqh> BeOS has Kill() in its init[20:27:55] <tqh> QT just returns NS_OK[20:27:59] <fyy_laptop> which init?[20:28:16] <fyy_laptop> in appshell?[20:28:38] * fyy_laptop is now driver-ill monkey[20:28:41] *** lymon has joined #haiku[20:30:38] *** pres has joined #haiku[20:30:42] <fyy_laptop> we run our "pump" rather in xpfe/bootstrap, then stopping it with semaphore, then releasing it in nstoolkit (?)[20:31:14] <fyy_laptop> it seems Dr_Evil is right. asll this mystics heavily depends on point where to install interrupt handler[20:32:08] <fyy_laptop> and where to set INTE registers of card[20:32:23] <tqh> fyy_laptop Yes, but I want to redo nsAppShell and nsToolkit to work well for embedding and one of the issues is nsWindow want's to be handled on main-thread which be_app wants[20:33:10] <fyy_laptop> tqh - my old idea is to move be_app->Run there from bootstrap[20:34:05] <tqh> well, I'll have to learn more[20:34:34] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[20:34:44] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[20:35:08] * fyy_laptop stops at "at-moment-not-crashing" placement in emuxki_setup. Will see how it starts at morning tomorrow[20:36:38] <fyy_laptop> away for 20 minutes[20:36:51] <fyy_laptop> need to buy new coffee package[20:38:56] <lymon> hello people, i can't get hd image because of registrar failed "unresolved: kern_register_messaging_service "[20:41:57] <Methe> lymon if u dont get answer, I'd recommand you to post on mailing List[20:42:12] <Methe> I'm not sure people who are working on the registrar are here at the moment[20:42:20] <Methe> though maybe someone may answer you[20:42:46] <Methe> and btw: registrar is being changed a bit thesesdays I guess if you see recent checkins[20:43:21] <lymon> i just did cvs co[20:50:16] *** adioanca has joined #haiku[20:51:00] <Methe> heelo adioanca[20:51:16] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[20:51:22] <adioanca> hi Methe[20:51:37] <adioanca> this is fun...[20:51:56] <Methe> ok 5 more peeps and we set a new record of idlers in this chan. :DD[20:52:00] <Methe> what is fun ?[20:52:08] <adioanca> has anyone managed to crash R5's app_server with a BApplication[20:52:17] <adioanca> ?[20:52:31] <Methe> I have no clue[20:52:37] <adioanca> our app_server crashes R5's one! :-))[20:52:42] <Methe> all we got tonight is a question about registrar from lymon[20:52:48] <Methe> lol adioanca !!![20:53:04] <Methe> what does R5 ones doesnt like ?[20:53:23] <Methe> maybe it has spotted a concurrent and do some antitrust crashing[20:53:24] <adioanca> realy don't know... it something internal...[20:53:42] <adioanca> I can change workspaces, windows are draw, but only their canvas[20:53:51] <Methe> :o[20:54:06] <adioanca> no app can draw a button a checkbox, a menu... nothing[20:54:20] <NathanW> weird[20:54:21] <adioanca> it's really stange[20:54:23] <adioanca> r[20:54:28] <Methe> with R5 or Haiku app_server ?[20:54:34] <NathanW> Maybe something with the BBitmaps, since the app_server maps them?[20:54:42] <adioanca> yup[20:54:48] <adioanca> exatcly[20:55:03] <adioanca> but, I still have to see where and why[20:55:19] <NathanW> Are you using BDirectWindow? That's the only way I've managed to kill app_server, so far as I remember[20:55:23] <NathanW> that and overlays[20:55:29] <adioanca> nope[20:55:49] <adioanca> regular BApplication + 1 BView + 1 BBitmap[20:55:50] <NathanW> weird[20:55:56] *** voidref has quit IRC[20:55:57] <adioanca> yes, very![20:56:03] <fyy_laptop> no emuxki crash again[20:56:04] <NathanW> that's really bizarre[20:56:17] <NathanW> Weird colorspace, maybe?[20:56:25] <NathanW> But I'm sure it's RGBA32[20:56:29] * fyy_laptop wonders if he should let stay all as is or try recompile it all again, in order to get crash[20:56:32] <adioanca> no, I think it's something about a lock[20:56:45] <NathanW> that might be it, by chance[20:56:50] <NathanW> But it still doesn't mak any sense[20:57:10] <NathanW> Unless you've somehow read-locked the area, so app_server segfaults[20:57:22] <NathanW> But I don't even know how you'd do that[20:58:02] <adioanca> I will investigate an let you know... but I think I'll have to reboot my system dozens of times :-)) :-([20:58:10] <Methe> huhu[20:58:14] <NathanW> haha[20:58:29] <NathanW> How's app_server going, btw?[20:58:40] <Dr_Evil> hi NathanW, do you know who is responsible for beunited.org?[20:58:41] <NathanW> I noticed about 5000 commits from you in the last couple days[20:58:56] <NathanW> Dr_Evil: no idea[20:58:58] <Methe> 5001[20:59:00] <adioanca> is there a way how to enter a text terminal while still running the app_server?[20:59:12] <NathanW> adioanca: Telnet, or run getty?[20:59:21] <adioanca> it's going well...[20:59:25] <adioanca> mmm...[20:59:34] <NathanW> Well, I forget the guy's nam, anyway[20:59:42] <NathanW> He lived in S. Africa[20:59:50] <NathanW> But that probably isn't helpful[20:59:58] <Methe> =][21:00:06] <adioanca> yes yes yes... I'm not such a experinced BeOS user.. I only know how it's itnternal work... :-D[21:00:12] <NathanW> :)[21:00:37] <adioanca> btw, about the app_server and my commits[21:00:39] <adioanca> ...[21:01:55] <adioanca> the last months (since I have a full-time job) I wrote a new, 90% complete window manager, and I still have to checkin that work[21:02:14] <NathanW> oh, wow[21:02:21] <adioanca> right now, I'm preparing things for it...[21:02:32] <Methe> sweeeeeet[21:03:02] <NathanW> Does it just change things architecturally over the current one, or does it do things (from a user perspective) differently?[21:04:01] <adioanca> DW will have fonts work and Stephan Asumss (?) has done a very good job writing Painter... a low-end drawing library for app_server[21:04:14] <adioanca> Asmuss (?)[21:04:32] <adioanca> So, we're getting pretty well :-D[21:04:34] <NathanW> ok, cool[21:04:39] <NathanW> huzzah :)[21:04:50] <adioanca> about your question[21:04:50] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has quit IRC[21:04:52] <adioanca> ...[21:05:10] <adioanca> It changes something...[21:05:24] <adioanca> but not that much[21:05:37] <NathanW> okay, cool[21:05:43] <NathanW> It's nicec to see this much activity[21:05:51] <Methe> anyway it's great to see checkins about app_server[21:06:00] <Methe> go adioanca go we support you ![21:06:02] <Methe> =][21:06:07] <adioanca> here's another one comming... :-)[21:06:15] <adioanca> thanks Methe[21:06:25] * Methe seats and awaits the commit log[21:06:33] <Dr_Evil> fyy_laptop do the emuxki crashed only happen on a single machine?[21:07:10] <adioanca> well.. wait a little bit. just a little, still have to test something.[21:07:16] <Methe> no bp :D[21:09:26] <NathanW> fyy_laptop: Does this machine have a Broadcom NIC?[21:09:40] <fyy_laptop> Dr_Evil - no, it crashed also at dual PIII-550[21:09:46] <fyy_laptop> no broadcom[21:10:06] <NathanW> ok[21:10:10] <fyy_laptop> Dr_Evil - and someone reported such crash also at talckback page besides me[21:10:19] *** thaflo has joined #haiku[21:10:20] <NathanW> I still have some bug in that driver relating to interrupt handling, I think[21:10:25] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has joined #haiku[21:10:27] <lymon> people, the 51-th line of registrar jamfile must be: [ FGristFiles $(registrar_sources:S=$(SUFOBJ)) $(registrar_r5_sources:S=$(SUFOBJ)) ][21:10:36] <lymon> .. to build registrar[21:10:52] <lymon> commit it who have permissions[21:10:53] <fyy_laptop> NathanW - i dont't use very late bcm[21:10:59] <fyy_laptop> for stability reason[21:11:08] <NathanW> fyy_laptop?[21:11:37] <Methe> lymon: tell adioanca Korli or Dr_Evil. they have access but I guess they'll just forward to the responsible one[21:11:58] <lymon> Methe: by private ?[21:12:10] <Methe> they might read but mail is better for them[21:12:22] <Methe> mailing list is the best of the best :D[21:12:25] <CIA-8> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/nv_acc_dma.c:[21:12:25] <CIA-8> finalized DMA buffer overfill checking for optimum speed. On NV11 accelerated functions are running at 130% to 200% speed in DMA mode compared to the 'old' PIO mode. Without trouble now.[21:12:25] <CIA-8> Still only 32bit mode, and still missing invert_rect function though. Also still[21:12:25] <CIA-8> not explicitly adhering the engine constraints which needs to be[21:12:25] <CIA-8> rechecked/retuned compared to PIO mode (hence the non working 800x600x8 mode I[21:12:26] <CIA-8> expect..)[21:12:31] <fyy_laptop> NathanW - some version you shared me at beshare was crashy[21:12:35] <Dr_Evil> lymon I won't touch that, please mail it to ingo[21:13:02] <NathanW> How's the CVS one?[21:13:33] <lymon> Methe: i can write to open-beos-kernel-devel but my posts is not so momentally[21:13:55] <Methe> i'll give you ingo mail adress[21:14:00] <lymon> where the e-mails of each developer ?[21:14:06] <Methe> so just drop a mail them without subscribing if that's what u want[21:14:10] *** NathanW has left #haiku[21:14:17] *** NathanW has joined #haiku[21:14:36] <NathanW> fyy_laptop: current CVS is the same as the one on BeBits[21:14:42] <Methe> lymon: Ingo Weinhold <bonefish at cs dot tu-berlin.de>[21:15:11] <fyy_laptop> Dr_Evil - as i sad already to Korli, it seems tha moving emuxki_inte_enable after install_io_interrupt_handler + moving two other regwrites helped[21:16:57] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[21:17:00] *** fyy_laptop has quit IRC[21:17:48] <fyysik> desktop keyboard suxx less:)[21:18:33] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[21:19:41] *** lymon has quit IRC[21:23:30] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has quit IRC[21:25:23] <fyysik> Dr_Evil and Korli - si i'm recalling that it crashed intensively at PIII machines, at Duron-750 and K6-2 500 it did other trick - no crash, but started generation if pulsing sound around 400-800 Hz. in last case soft reboot helped[21:25:44] <fyysik> s/if/of/p[21:27:02] <Dr_Evil> must be a nug tjhen[21:27:07] <Dr_Evil> bug then[21:27:31] *** YNOP has joined #haiku[21:28:04] * fyysik is listening ZZ-top[21:28:48] *** lymon has joined #haiku[21:29:34] <lymon> it is posiible or unpossible to boot haiku prepared partition under lilo ?[21:29:53] <lymon> or i must write some specific mbr code[21:30:29] <lymon> cos booting haiku from lilo goes to restart[21:31:14] * Methe has no idea :([21:31:41] <lymon> anyone boots haiku from partition ? (using makehdimage)[21:31:46] <NathanW> That's what happens here with any bootloader, lymon[21:31:49] <NathanW> It reboots instantly[21:32:21] <lymon> i was told that it is quite stable to see dmsg[21:33:23] <lymon> in real not in bochs .... or i misunderstand ?[21:37:32] *** ablyss has quit IRC[21:39:26] <lymon> ok anyway i'd better to wait for axeld[21:40:12] <Methe> he> he shows up rarely on iRC[21:40:19] <Methe> mail is once again the best way[21:40:36] <Methe> want his adress ?[21:41:13] <lymon> i shold post to open-beos-kernel-devel at lists dot sf.net, am i right ?[21:41:27] <Methe> you sure can if u have subscribed[21:41:33] <Dr_Evil> axeld might appear here in about 2 hours, 15 minutes[21:41:45] <Methe> Dr_Evil: wow that's precise :D[21:41:49] <lymon> dr_evil, thanks, ok[21:41:55] <lymon> aha =)[21:42:49] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[21:44:28] *** stargater has joined #haiku[21:45:34] *** frankern has joined #haiku[21:46:32] *** ablyss has joined #haiku[21:49:27] <stargater> hi[21:49:41] <Methe> lo[21:49:44] <NathanW> hi stargater[21:50:04] <stargater> hi NathanW[21:50:27] *** voidref has joined #haiku[21:50:28] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o voidref[21:50:41] <Methe> 24 20:50:41 <Methe> 2 more peeps before new record ! :DD[21:51:21] *** lymon has quit IRC[21:52:23] *** adioanca has quit IRC[21:52:44] <TuneTracker> stargater[21:57:38] * fyysik will try emuxki on another BeOS setup[21:58:18] <CIA-8> adioanca * current/src/servers/app/server/Layer.cpp: RebuildAndForceRedraw() is not needed anymore[21:59:23] *** fyysik has quit IRC[21:59:51] <CIA-8> adioanca * current/src/servers/app/server/Layer.h: All 'Invalidate' methods are now private, intended for RootLayer's use only.[22:01:13] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[22:01:26] <fyysik> seems working at other BeOS installation too[22:02:06] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[22:02:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[22:02:21] <Methe> plop mmu_man[22:02:41] <@mmu_man> plop[22:04:48] *** MikeW has quit IRC[22:04:53] <CIA-8> adioanca * current/src/servers/app/server/RootLayer.cpp:[22:04:54] <CIA-8> Removed a redundant BMessage when mouse button was pressed. This message is[22:04:54] <CIA-8> already sent by WinBorder::MouseDown(). Window content was redraw when a window[22:04:54] <CIA-8> became active. Removed some code that anyway was not used. It will be replaced[22:04:54] <CIA-8> by the new window manager which is comming soon.[22:04:59] *** adioanca has joined #haiku[22:05:00] *** fyysik has quit IRC[22:05:28] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[22:08:44] *** frankern has quit IRC[22:11:37] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[22:11:45] *** illissius has quit IRC[22:11:48] * fyysik is knocking on wood[22:12:19] <adioanca> ok guys, I have to go to bed... bye bye![22:12:30] <Methe> good night[22:12:31] <Methe> adioanca[22:12:45] *** illissius has joined #haiku[22:12:48] *** adioanca has quit IRC[22:13:24] *** Bega_ has joined #haiku[22:13:47] <CIA-8> axeld * current/data/settings/kernel/drivers/kernel: Added a sample kernel settings file, explaining the existing options.[22:15:56] <@mmu_man> cool[22:16:07] <@mmu_man> reminds me I have a floppy driver that needs work[22:16:11] <@mmu_man> =)[22:16:14] <Methe> =][22:17:49] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:20:01] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[22:20:23] *** stargater has left #haiku[22:20:55] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[22:21:09] *** slaad has joined #haiku[22:22:04] *** mnemo has quit IRC[22:26:05] *** Begasus has quit IRC[22:27:28] *** Konrad has quit IRC[22:28:02] <CIA-8> axeld * current/makehdimage: (log message trimmed)[22:28:03] <CIA-8> Added the media_server and media_addon_server.[22:28:03] <CIA-8> Added some translator and media add-ons.[22:28:03] <CIA-8> Servers are now copied using "copyattr" to preserve file attributes (primarily[22:28:03] <CIA-8> for BEOS:APP_SIG at this point).[22:28:03] <CIA-8> Now copies current/data/settings/* to the target.[22:28:05] <CIA-8> Output of mkbfs is trashed.[22:29:45] *** BGA has joined #haiku[22:29:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[22:31:24] *** illissius has quit IRC[22:32:52] *** illissius has joined #haiku[22:42:23] *** voidster has joined #haiku[22:43:12] *** voidref has quit IRC[22:48:31] *** Methe has quit IRC[23:01:17] *** BGA has quit IRC[23:02:39] <fyysik> silence again[23:03:14] <pres> maybe if I showered more I wouldn't kill off conversation so easily...[23:05:49] <tic> heh.[23:06:19] <AnEvilYak> that's not all you're killing off[23:06:31] <pres> oh yeah funny hat? what else am I killing of, huh?[23:06:43] <tic> yak's attraction for you[23:06:52] <pres> heh[23:07:03] <pres> I need to get the Yak screen saver going on my Mac again[23:07:22] * AnEvilYak isn't sure if he should feel flattered or scared that pres has a Yak screensaver[23:07:24] <tic> yak getting undressed?[23:07:29] <pres> I've told you about it before[23:07:30] <tic> like on Smither's 'puter[23:07:31] <tic> ?[23:07:48] <pres> I had like 3 pictures of you ever, and they were all on my Mac screensaver because I had set it to whatever files were in my Picture's dir[23:07:57] <pres> so it was like, Yak holding potted plants on a street in Belgium[23:08:00] <AnEvilYak> ;p[23:08:04] <pres> Yak sitting at his computer[23:08:06] <AnEvilYak> that street was in the UK actually ;p[23:08:09] <pres> and then Yak next to his car[23:08:14] <pres> it was Yak-tabulous[23:08:33] * AnEvilYak ponders taking one of Yak in open bathrobe to torment pres[23:08:33] <pres> whatever, it was all Euro and stuff I could tell[23:08:55] <pres> haha, you mean like that shot of "you" with your head on that nearly naked dude's body? I didn't have that one[23:09:01] *** BGA has joined #haiku[23:09:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[23:09:36] * DaaT is sooo happy he's logging the chan...[23:10:03] <pres> oh noes a record of this.[23:10:06] <AnEvilYak> pres: that was a photoshop job by mneptok[23:10:13] <AnEvilYak> or Braz[23:10:15] <AnEvilYak> one of the two[23:10:17] <pres> probably Braz[23:10:21] <pres> mnep wasn't that creative[23:10:26] * AnEvilYak has flashbacks to _mouseup.jpg[23:10:27] <DaaT> photoshop job.. suuuuure[23:10:30] <pres> hahaha[23:10:36] <AnEvilYak> DaaT: I don't have a body like that ;p[23:10:38] <pres> mouseup.jpg was *wrong*[23:10:43] <AnEvilYak> pres: I thought it was hilarious :)[23:10:44] <DaaT> AnEvilYak, i didn't see it...[23:10:48] <pres> it was hilarious[23:10:49] <pres> and wrong[23:10:53] <AnEvilYak> DaaT: I'm not that ripped ;p[23:11:03] <tic> ripped?[23:11:06] <pres> Yak once shot a drifter just to get an erection[23:11:08] <DaaT> the photoshop job was on the body, not your head next to the other guy's body[23:11:08] <pres> he told me that[23:11:08] <DaaT> :P[23:11:11] <pres> I think he was stoned[23:11:13] <AnEvilYak> tic: buff[23:11:14] <DaaT> lol pres[23:11:19] <tic> AnEvilYak, vampire slayer... ?[23:11:24] <AnEvilYak> tic: no[23:11:30] <tic> then what? :)[23:11:32] <AnEvilYak> tic: meaning like 6 pack, lots of muscles, you know...[23:11:39] <tic> ahh. mesa stupid.[23:11:41] * tic slaps forehead.[23:11:53] <pres> yeah tic get back to the rave and do more E[23:11:56] <pres> or something[23:12:02] <tic> I don't do E![23:12:04] <pres> why am I in #haiku trying to start problems[23:12:06] <tic> I want to go for vacation in an English-speaking country[23:12:09] <pres> Everyone I'm sorry[23:12:17] <tic> get back to the ghetto where you came from![23:13:38] <tic> ugh, why is the BeOS port of Firefox pure suck?[23:13:45] <@mmu_man> it is not[23:13:56] *** Potn has quit IRC[23:13:58] <tic> 0.9.3 is the most stable version I've used on BeOS, and even that's not very stable.[23:14:01] <@mmu_man> taken the umber of devs workign on it and the consideration it gets from the moz dev crowd[23:14:23] <@mmu_man> I too wish it were more native[23:14:24] <pres> that doesn't mean it does or doesn't suck[23:14:29] <pres> that means you have about 3 people working on it[23:14:38] <pres> oh wait I cannot read[23:14:39] <pres> sorry[23:14:44] <tic> the 1.0-version relesed a couple of days ago wouldn't even start here.. or actually, when I nuked my profile it would start, but I couldn't enter text in any of the fields.[23:14:54] <pres> you using Dano or Zeta?[23:14:58] <tic> I'm on R5/BONE[23:15:02] <pres> ah[23:15:11] <pres> I think R5/net_server is the only place that stuff works[23:15:11] <tic> Zeta's too crappy, yet. :)[23:15:28] <pres> I've wondered about downloading the latest stuff from CVS and compiling on my Dano box, but I've got way too much to do[23:15:30] <tic> oh? firefox on net_server I thought was really incompatible. :)[23:15:36] *** Bega_ has quit IRC[23:15:38] <pres> and I'd end up just harrasing the Yak for help[23:15:41] <tic> pres, that, plus it takes a couple of years doing it. :)[23:15:57] <AnEvilYak> tic: about 4-5 hours on my AthlonXP[23:16:05] <pres> eh, Celeron 800 with 512mb of ram, should take it like 12 hours[23:16:09] <dipp> mozilla firefox is a beast..to compile anyway[23:16:11] <pres> which is fine, it's not my primary box[23:16:18] <tic> AnEvilYak, yeah. and while I don't know what system pres has, it's probably slower, and he hasn't got a 15k rpm drive either. :)[23:16:30] <pres> the thing that would be aggrivating would be having the compiler error out and then I have to go on a killing spree[23:16:57] <pres> Celeron 800 / 512mb of ram / 60gb Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 on a Promise card.[23:17:22] <AnEvilYak> tic: I don't have a 15[23:17:22] <AnEvilYak> I wish.[23:17:22] <AnEvilYak> except when you factor in the noise/heat issue[23:17:22] *** Korli has quit IRC[23:17:29] <pres> yeah[23:17:33] <tic> ah.[23:17:33] <pres> get a pair of Raptors in Raid 0[23:17:35] <tic> AnEvilYak, you have a 10krpm?[23:17:40] <AnEvilYak> tic: yes[23:17:41] <tic> okay..[23:17:45] <pres> then you'd, uh, rule the school[23:18:04] <tic> I'm considering a Raptor for my next system (Dothan-2.x GHz)[23:18:13] <AnEvilYak> Raptor?[23:18:15] <pres> man, why?[23:18:18] <tic> 10k RPM S-ATA[23:18:21] <tic> pres, why not?[23:18:22] <pres> AnEvilYak, real fast SATA drive from WD[23:18:24] <tic> pres, or why what?[23:18:26] <pres> tic: because they're loud?[23:18:26] <AnEvilYak> oh.[23:18:37] *** Korli has joined #haiku[23:18:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Korli[23:18:45] <pres> You want all these low heat / low noise deals and then you'd make a big step back with a Raptor. Get a Seagate[23:18:47] <tic> pres, are they that loud? I'm kinda interested in the raw speed. I am a coder, after-all.[23:18:51] <pres> or a Samsung[23:18:51] <tic> pres, so it's that bad, eh?[23:18:54] <pres> Yeah, they're real loud[23:18:56] <pres> and hot[23:19:17] <pres> they're great drives for perf but that's all they care about. It's WD dude, and it's 10k[23:19:19] <tic> well, I already have a disk here -- a 40GB Travelstar E7K60 (7200 RPM, 8M cache) which is rated for server-use (50% write-cycles in a 24/7 setup)[23:19:28] <AnEvilYak> that's one of the reasons I don't have a 15k ..[23:19:30] <tic> true, WD probably isn't the most silentest(?) drive[23:19:36] <AnEvilYak> loudest drive...ever...[23:19:40] *** Korli has left #haiku[23:19:44] <pres> only brand I think that's worse is Maxtor, for noise.[23:20:03] <pres> my Samsung drive is quiet as hell, in Thumper. I put my ear to the case and I can't hear it spin.[23:20:12] <AnEvilYak> my current one's a Quantum[23:20:27] <pres> they got bought by Maxtor[23:20:29] <pres> IIRC[23:20:29] <Sg_Henry> mine is seagate[23:20:32] <Sg_Henry> :D[23:20:38] <tic> oh well. Then I'll "just" get the Dothan. It overclocks like crazy. The 1.7 GHz you can clock to like 2.2 GHz, increase the Vcore and you can prolly run it at 2.7 GHz[23:21:12] <AnEvilYak> wouldn't want to try that without a hefty cooling fan[23:21:14] <tic> and at 2.7 GHz, it absolutely sweeps the floor with everything else, 'cept for FPU performance.[23:21:30] <tic> AnEvilYak, actually, that's really no problem. at 2.2 GHz, the dissapation is ~30W.[23:22:19] <tic> AnEvilYak, I've read tests where they do that with the stock cooler, and it's basically an oversized socket370 cooler. Now, I am going to get myself a Thermalright XP-120, which can cool a 2.0 GHz passively. Just slap on a 120 mm fan at ~3V, and I'll be able to run it at pretty high clock speeds.[23:22:36] <AnEvilYak> nice.[23:22:41] <tic> Yup.[23:22:49] <fyysik> mmu_man like bonsai kittens, but here is also good page - http://users.pandora.be/ptuui/ "Bunny suicides!"[23:22:55] <fyysik> likes[23:23:10] <tic> an 24 22:23:10 <tic> a 2.7 GHz would beat a Prescott-4 GHz at like 1/3 the power draw. :)[23:23:11] *** illissius is now known as illissius[sleep][23:23:36] <tic> or heck, perhaps even 4.3 GHz? Only problem is the weak FPU performance, dunno if that'd increase the power usage a lot.[23:23:46] <@mmu_man> nothing beats anathlonXP at -1.6GHz[23:23:49] * tic starts rambling[23:24:49] <tic> guys, is there any cheaper place than NewEgg that carries "exotic" hardware?[23:25:09] *** lymon has joined #haiku[23:25:25] <Dr_Evil> tic http://geizhals.at/deutschland[23:25:36] <fyysik> hi lymon[23:25:42] <tic> Dr_Evil, yeah, but that's still more expensive than buying it from US. :/ Thanks though.[23:25:48] <lymon> hello fyysik[23:25:59] <tic> or hm..[23:26:43] <tic> the CPU differs 200 SEK.[23:27:03] *** pres has quit IRC[23:27:42] <Dr_Evil> well, there is also something for EU http://geizhals.at/eu/[23:27:49] *** ConneX has joined #haiku[23:28:12] <tic> yeah, it's a good thing if they actually ship to Sweden. :)[23:28:46] *** Sg_Henry has quit IRC[23:29:13] <tic> and I don't need to mess with marking it as a gift, and stuff..[23:29:20] <tic> s/don't/wouldn't[23:30:23] <tic> Thanks![23:34:11] <lymon> somebody promised that axeld will be at 00:00 =)[23:34:13] *** voidster is now known as voidref[23:34:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o voidref[23:34:26] <Dr_Evil> yes I did[23:37:17] *** bs0 has joined #haiku[23:40:54] <NathanW> tic: What are you trying to find?[23:43:30] <tic> NathanW, 512MB DDR-RAM CL2-2-2-5, AOpen i855GM-...., Pentium M 735.[23:43:48] <NathanW> ah[23:44:04] <tic> (PC3200 / double 200 MHz for the RAM.)[23:44:39] <tic> the dothan can be overclocked very easily, and as it doesn't dissipate(sp?) much heat, you can still cool it silently.[23:44:41] <NathanW> http://www.surpluscomputers.com sometimes has things[23:45:03] <tic> okay, I'll check. otherwise, it's newegg for me.[23:45:33] <tic> this is pretty much cutting-edge stuff, so they didn't have it.[23:47:00] <NathanW> yeah, newegg's probably your best bet[23:47:16] *** trefas has quit IRC[23:47:33] <tic> I hope it just won't get stuck in customs here in Sweden.[23:50:17] *** M199 has joined #haiku[23:50:51] *** alphakiller has joined #haiku[23:51:42] *** Korli has joined #haiku[23:51:42] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Korli[23:56:31] *** thaflo has quit IRC[23:57:41] *** Master199 has quit IRC