January 18, 2005 
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January 18, 2005 [00:02:01] *** Racer__X has quit IRC[00:15:07] *** Begasus has quit IRC[00:18:32] *** AtomoZero has quit IRC[00:19:11] *** xeD has quit IRC[00:19:43] *** brennanOS has quit IRC[00:20:03] <CIA-6> darkwyrm * current/src/kits/interface/InterfaceDefs.cpp: Accidentally overwrote Jack's last checkin with my changes to an old version -- getting stupider and stupider in my old age....[00:22:28] *** nPHYN1T3 has quit IRC[00:36:21] *** GNUStep_Me has joined #haiku[00:41:25] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[00:42:56] *** slaad has quit IRC[00:47:18] *** DaaT has quit IRC[00:47:31] *** lizdeika has joined #haiku[00:49:00] *** __lemon has joined #haiku[00:49:26] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[00:49:32] <__lemon> hello[00:50:02] <__lemon> is any russian-speak here ?[00:50:09] <fyysik> me[00:50:30] <__lemon> salut[00:50:44] <fyysik> privet[00:52:24] <__lemon> fyysik: kakoi chast'yu haiku ti zanimaeshsya ?[00:53:09] <fyysik> ja? ja programmy dkja BeOS pishu. do urovnja OS ne dobiralsja[00:53:47] <__lemon> fyysik: a znaesh est' russian-speak v kernel team ?[00:53:56] <fyysik> net[00:53:57] <@mmu_man> omg[00:54:04] <@mmu_man> qu'est-ce que c'est que ce bordel ?[00:54:08] <NathanW> does anyone know anything about shell scripting?[00:54:19] <@mmu_man> I do but I'm going zz[00:54:20] <@mmu_man> :p[00:54:30] <NathanW> nooo![00:54:38] <@mmu_man> just ask, quick[00:54:39] <fyysik> going into private[00:54:39] <NathanW> If I do something liek this[00:54:41] <NathanW> cat - << \END[00:54:43] <NathanW> ...[00:54:44] <NathanW> END[00:54:48] <@mmu_man> why \ ??[00:54:51] <@mmu_man> just END[00:54:52] <NathanW> How do I make it replace shell variables in the ...[00:55:12] <NathanW> oh[00:55:14] <@mmu_man> cat <<END[00:55:19] <@mmu_man> ${USER}[00:55:20] <@mmu_man> END[00:55:23] <NathanW> apparently the / makes it not reaplce variables :)[00:55:25] <NathanW> thanks![00:57:09] *** oco has quit IRC[00:57:52] <@mmu_man> can I go zz now ?[00:58:15] <fyysik> no[00:58:41] <@mmu_man> i'm not really productive atm anyway[00:59:00] <fyysik> ok, whole week to work:)[00:59:21] <@mmu_man> NathanW http://81.49.184.26/shot_querybased_multiuser.png[00:59:30] <@mmu_man> that's what R5 could do[01:01:12] *** ConneX has joined #haiku[01:05:34] <@axeld> mmu_man: ah, the famous sys: attributes[01:05:41] <@mmu_man> yup[01:05:45] <@axeld> mmu_man: never really got that, though :)[01:05:52] <@mmu_man> bfs just forbids uid>0 to write them[01:06:08] <@mmu_man> wonder why it's not fsil which does it though[01:06:57] <@mmu_man> might be useful for ACLs too[01:07:04] <@mmu_man> but ACLs sux anyway[01:07:42] <@mmu_man> 4indices; export MULTIUSER=true[01:07:44] <@mmu_man> and hop :)[01:08:27] *** BGA_ has quit IRC[01:10:53] <@mmu_man> ok, zzz[01:10:55] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:11:33] <fyysik> stippi[01:11:48] <@axeld> fyysik: stippi?[01:12:32] <fyysik> wish to say sippis to stop that blinking in About of WonderBrush - it is almost impossible to guess which version i use:)[01:12:59] <fyysik> or rather dancing than blinking[01:13:07] <@axeld> fyysik: I like it :-))[01:14:12] <fyysik> axeld - did you saw about in Paradigm?[01:14:34] *** BGA has joined #haiku[01:14:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[01:18:11] *** stippi has joined #haiku[01:18:16] <@axeld> fyysik: no, don't even know what that is[01:18:18] <@axeld> stippi!!![01:18:26] <stippi> axeld![01:18:29] <@axeld> stippi: have I ever seen you here before? :-)[01:18:50] <@axeld> Oh, that almost sounds like: "Didn't I know you from somewhere?" ;-))[01:19:14] <fyysik> http://beos.spb.ru/program/109/Paradigm.png - two-language Universal dictionary program for BeOS axel, with sleak interface, free dictionaries import and very fast[01:19:34] <fyysik> http://beos.spb.ru/program/109/Paradigm1.0rc2.pkg.zip axeld[01:19:52] <fyysik> here is little bugfix update - http://beos.spb.ru/program/109/Paradigm1.0rc3-update.pkg.zip[01:20:07] <fyysik> adn here - dictionaries to import - http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=78379[01:21:08] <@axeld> fyysik: so I guess it's multi-lingual?[01:21:15] <fyysik> axeld - sure[01:21:33] <fyysik> and themable:)[01:21:48] <__lemon> axeld: you know the deadline of haiku ide booting ?[01:22:33] <@axeld> fyysik: the about window doesn't look that exciting, though :))[01:22:45] <@axeld> __lemon: you mean it's going to stop doing that?[01:22:46] <fyysik> axeld - click on it and drag mouse[01:23:56] <fyysik> stippi's and axeld's conversation reminds me Swedish anecdote[01:24:12] <__lemon> axeld: so its boots from ide ... and i can try kernel within my BFS volume ?[01:24:33] <@axeld> __lemon: depends on the system you have - it does not yet boot on everywhere[01:25:23] <__lemon> axeld: 815ep pc platform[01:26:14] *** BGA has quit IRC[01:27:04] <@axeld> __lemon: one Intel chipset I have here doesn't work, dunno though - trying would give you (and me) a clue :)[01:28:58] <__lemon> axeld: you mean exactly 815ep doesnt work ?[01:29:37] <__lemon> i can try old BX if it works ... i want to see on new driver architecture[01:29:43] <@axeld> __lemon: no, actually, I don't even know which Intel chipset I have[01:30:09] <@axeld> __lemon: the new driver architecture is pretty limited right now - that's what I am currently trying to change[01:30:12] <fyysik> stippi - did you hear about such thing as WebMoney?[01:30:25] <stippi> fyysik: Nope?[01:30:26] <@axeld> __lemon: right now, it is hard-coded to ISA IDE[01:31:07] <fyysik> stippi - may unfortunate readers are asking about alternative possibilities to pay for WonderBrush[01:31:17] <__lemon> axeld: so it doest not lied on PCI ?[01:31:19] <stippi> How come?[01:31:43] <fyysik> http://www.webmoney.com/top.html[01:31:51] <fyysik> s/may/my[01:31:54] <stippi> fyysik: We offer two online stores, doesn't one of them work?[01:32:07] *** ConneX has quit IRC[01:32:35] <fyysik> it looks problematic for russian (provence), but WebMoney is widespread[01:33:13] *** GNUStep_Me has quit IRC[01:33:13] <__lemon> axeld: what the new purpose of busses in contrast to bus_managers ?[01:33:33] <stippi> fyysik: Why has noone contacted me? I'm sure we can work something out.[01:34:05] <@axeld> __lemon: busses have the same purpose as before[01:34:06] <stippi> __lemon: interesting question[01:34:43] <@axeld> __lemon: Ie. the USB manager would manage the devices and the access to it, while you have bus drivers (in busses) for EHCI, OHCI, UHCI[01:35:23] <fyysik> heh, i will put your comment there on this topic:)[01:35:27] <stippi> axeld: I looked at the code for the usb bus_manager and related stuff. How far is this?[01:36:19] <__lemon> axeld: isnt buses simply channels on controllers (hw objects represented in bus_managers) &[01:36:22] <__lemon> ?[01:37:18] <@axeld> stippi: I don't know. I think it's struck in device enumeration, but I have never really looked at the code[01:37:38] <stippi> "struck"?[01:37:39] <@axeld> __lemon: that's a way to look at it[01:37:57] <@axeld> __lemon: only that there is usually (for IDE) two channels for one bus[01:38:17] <@axeld> __lemon: even if they are registered separately, so that you're right, too :)[01:38:34] <__lemon> axeld: i just come from nt driver model and afraid of wrong undertanding[01:40:35] <__lemon> axeld: bus_managers in /kernel/core is obsolete ?[01:41:09] <@axeld> __lemon: yes[01:41:14] <__lemon> ok[01:41:21] <@axeld> __lemon: any drivers in the kernel/ directory are obsolete[01:41:33] <@axeld> __lemon: only the drivers in src/add-ons/kernel are actually used[01:41:41] <@axeld> (we need to clean up that mess one day)[01:41:52] <fyysik> [plug detected] - http://beos.spb.ru/program/123/Samba2.2.7a-BeOS-BONE-test2.pkg.zip for those who didn't get yet[01:42:00] <stippi> axeld: Which drivers have been ported to the new Haiku API and does the R5 wrapper already work?[01:42:30] <agentmumu> does the build factory create a haiku image?[01:42:43] <__lemon> i saw makehdimage there ...[01:43:23] <@axeld> stippi: the R5 wrapper works theoretically. Ie. unlike R5, you have to force the driver to load and it stays loaded, if you're using it or not (for now only, of course)[01:43:51] <@axeld> stippi: Almost all drivers are plain R5 drivers for now, only the IDE drivers aren't[01:44:10] <stippi> axeld: and do those work already?[01:44:14] <@axeld> stippi: so our frame buffer driver, the TTY driver, etc. - are all R5 compatible drivers[01:44:18] <@axeld> yes, that all works[01:44:26] <stippi> axeld: cool[01:44:48] <stippi> axeld: So are you actually booting from a harddrive on a real machine now?[01:45:32] <stippi> The frame buffer driver, is that the one used for the kernel debugger?[01:45:37] <@axeld> yes, since some months now :)[01:45:50] <stippi> I do have a machine to spare.[01:45:52] <@axeld> stippi: yes, but it's not yet in the shape it'll be[01:46:04] <stippi> Is there some Instructions that I could follow to set this up?[01:46:21] <@axeld> stippi: do you have Ingos Userland FS stuff?[01:46:33] <stippi> Wouldn't this be an exellent subject for a NL article?[01:46:35] <stippi> Yes.[01:47:08] <@axeld> natural language? :))[01:47:21] <stippi> News Letter Article[01:47:26] <agentmumu> hehe[01:47:31] <@axeld> In that case, you only have to start the server, and execute "makehdimage" in the current directory[01:47:41] <@axeld> stippi: I know :))[01:47:48] <agentmumu> hand hope that haiku builds[01:47:55] <agentmumu> that was the part that never worked for me[01:48:06] *** GNUStep_Me has joined #haiku[01:49:06] <__lemon> axeld: anyone try haiku on ppc ?[01:49:35] <agentmumu> btw, do you also need the patched ld with olivers gcc?[01:49:40] <agentmumu> to build haiku[01:51:07] <GNUStep_Me> Not relay shure agentmumu, but I tried the binutils with the gcc an the normal apps are working, On kernel side for example libc.so did't know, but I think so too.[01:51:29] <@axeld> agentmumu: no, that one will do[01:51:51] <@axeld> __lemon: well, it doesn't run there yet. I stopped somewhere at the end of the boot loader[01:52:04] <@axeld> __lemon: (when I froze my sister's Mac)[01:52:12] *** GNUStep_Me has quit IRC[01:52:29] <@axeld> __lemon: the kernel got loaded and the Mac crashed, but not in a good way[01:53:26] <agentmumu> in a way that the mac wouldn't work anymore?[01:53:47] *** BGA has joined #haiku[01:53:47] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[01:56:16] <@axeld> agentmumu: yes, I needed to play evil tricks to get it to boot again[01:57:13] <__lemon> axeldö you have lost video device ?) need to go throgh serial to firmware[01:58:08] <@axeld> __lemon: no, but I needed to reset the Apple in a way that's not documented anywhere[01:58:33] <@axeld> __lemon: ie. pressing some buttons on the motherboard didn't work[01:59:17] <__lemon> ok i guest ... first need to get stable on ia[02:00:36] *** thies has quit IRC[02:02:36] <__lemon> /kernel/busses/ide has pci and isa[02:02:42] <@axeld> __lemon: but I now own an iBook, so I can continue working on that end again :)[02:03:03] <@axeld> __lemon: the drivers are already there, yes - but the device recognition is currently hard-coded to ISA IDE[02:03:04] <__lemon> does pci work under bochs ?[02:03:11] <@axeld> __lemon: no, it doesn't[02:03:22] <__lemon> axeld: where it is hard coded[02:03:35] <__lemon> axeld: under VMware ?[02:04:38] *** thies has joined #haiku[02:04:42] <@axeld> __lemon: no, in the drivers. The ISA driver will say "I need ISA IDE", and so on[02:04:55] <@axeld> __lemon: the real device recognition is currently disabled[02:05:28] *** lizdeika has quit IRC[02:06:02] <__lemon> axeld: busses/pci working under VMware[02:06:32] <__lemon> axeld: about isa, whats the prolem, i see very pretty pci ide search in linux[02:06:48] <CIA-6> bonefish * current/ (2 files in 2 dirs):[02:06:48] <CIA-6> * Moved everything into the BPrivate namespace.[02:06:48] <CIA-6> * Replaced the constant kRosterPortName by a function returning that name[02:06:48] <CIA-6> (we need different port names under BeOS and Haiku, and already at[02:06:48] <CIA-6> libbe init time).[02:06:48] <CIA-6> * The settings directory is obtained via find_directory() (critized by[02:06:50] <CIA-6> Axel :-).[02:07:35] <[Beta]> you coders snipe at each other too much :)[02:07:57] <@axeld> __lemon: as I said, the only problem is the missing recognition[02:08:39] <@axeld> __lemon: the PCI bus manager says: here is a mass storage controller, but the system right now does not know how to find a driver for it - unless it's hardcoded which is the case for the ISA driver[02:08:50] *** stippi has quit IRC[02:09:04] *** stippi has joined #haiku[02:11:11] <__lemon> axeld: i cant find isa hdd recognition, can you point me[02:11:58] <CIA-6> bonefish * current/src/kits/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Changed due to moving RegistrarDefs.h stuff into the BPrivate namespace and replacing kRosterPortName.[02:13:10] *** BGA has quit IRC[02:13:33] <CIA-6> bonefish * current/src/kits/storage/mime/database_support.cpp: Obtain user settings dir path via find_directory() now.[02:14:28] <__lemon> axeld: it must be pnp or smth[02:15:09] <CIA-6> bonefish * current/src/servers/registrar/ (3 files): Changes due to moving RegistrarDefs stuff into the BPrivate namespace.[02:15:40] <__lemon> axeld: why kernel/generic/ide_adapter not in bus_managers ?[02:15:43] <@axeld> __lemon: there is no real recognition there. Only the ide_isa will try to acquire the ISA IDE resources - when they are still available, it will say "here I am"[02:16:26] <@axeld> __lemon: good question, dunno (I haven't written the drivers, that was Topical). I think it would be a good idea to move it into the bus manager[02:16:37] <__lemon> axeld: i guess, but i dont see anythig terrible to load modules in swich of dev type[02:17:24] <@axeld> __lemon: don't understand what you mean?![02:17:54] <CIA-6> bonefish * current/src/servers/registrar/Registrar.cpp:[02:17:55] <CIA-6> * Changes due to moving RegistrarDefs stuff into the BPrivate namespace.[02:17:55] <CIA-6> * Rename the main thread after creating the BApplication. Then at least[02:17:55] <CIA-6> the roster will be ready for use.[02:18:50] <__lemon> when whe look throght pci devices ... oh its south bridge ... load bus manager ...[02:19:15] <@axeld> __lemon: it's not always so easy[02:19:42] <CIA-6> bonefish * current/src/servers/registrar/TRoster.cpp:[02:19:42] <CIA-6> * The settings file is now called "HaikuRosterSettings" instead of[02:19:42] <CIA-6> "OpenBeOS...".[02:19:42] <CIA-6> * Obtain the path of the settings dir via find_directory().[02:19:48] <@axeld> __lemon: the driver architecture as planned by Thomas (topical) had links like "pci/vendor x, device y" that pointed to the correct driver[02:20:14] <@axeld> __lemon: or "pci/class x, subclass y"[02:20:30] <@axeld> __lemon: and the whole device tree was built on startup[02:20:31] <CIA-6> bonefish * current/src/servers/registrar/registrar.rdef: Changed signature.[02:21:05] <__lemon> axeld: it is in test mode ? can i play with it ?[02:21:32] <@axeld> __lemon: I am now trying to make it more type based, so that it understands some super types[02:22:12] <@axeld> __lemon: hardly. The drivers (unlike the ISA drivers) do export what they want to have as PNP_DYNAMIC_CONSUMER[02:22:38] <@axeld> __lemon: that "dynamic consumer" is sort of a pattern that was built and looked for the in device links directory[02:22:58] <@axeld> __lemon: the ISA drivers now only use PNP_FIXED_CONSUMER which exactly specify the module to load[02:23:10] <@axeld> __lemon: right now, only the latter works as I've disabled the former[02:24:07] <__lemon> axeld: i think you must throw pnp stuff and switch to pci...[02:24:25] <@axeld> __lemon: sure, that's what I am currently working on[02:25:01] <@axeld> __lemon: at first, I reintroduce the R5 mechanism, ie. have a dumb kernel that just loads all drivers for that type[02:25:22] <@axeld> __lemon: then, I make it smart by giving the bus managers the power to choose which driver to load[02:26:14] <agentmumu> is gcc working on haiku yet/again?[02:29:33] <__lemon> axeld: yes, only bus managers must load theirs dev drivers[02:29:46] <__lemon> not root pci scan[02:30:07] <@axeld> agentmumu: it did work at some point, but crashes right now[02:30:25] <@axeld> agentmumu: still haven't found the time to look into it[02:31:30] <__lemon> axeld: anyway i must admit a huge work you're done... especialy boot loader stuff ... tomas ide stack is unique not like anyone[02:31:56] <__lemon> i beleave anything will be just fine ...[02:33:34] <@axeld> __lemon: well, that's what I hope, too :))[02:34:37] <__lemon> but i want to ask more and more ...[02:35:13] * fyysik wonders if there is reason for __lemon to join haiku mailing list[02:35:30] <@axeld> sure, go on :))[02:35:39] <@axeld> As long as I am here I can answer questions[02:36:00] <__lemon> where ? point me -)[02:36:46] <@axeld> __lemon: which list do you want to join? The kernel list?[02:37:01] <__lemon> axeld: yeh, kernel[02:37:41] <@axeld> http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/open-beos-kernel-devel[02:38:02] <@axeld> Our website is up again since today, so I even knew where to look for it ;-)[02:39:19] *** iman has joined #haiku[03:00:36] <__lemon> axeld: tell me current stage of haiku ide stuff: can i load kernel in VM from BeFS and play with pci ide, will i get gui ?[03:00:47] <__lemon> in VMware[03:00:59] <@axeld> __lemon: as I said, there is no PCI IDE connected right now[03:01:02] <__lemon> or it just be a console[03:01:09] <@axeld> __lemon: and you'll get to a text console[03:01:16] <__lemon> axeld: ok ok it wil be written by me...[03:01:16] <@axeld> __lemon: a pretty limited one, even :)[03:01:25] <__lemon> axeld: great ![03:01:31] <@axeld> __lemon: what do you intend to write?[03:01:32] <__lemon> thats all i need[03:02:05] <__lemon> for now cos i'm not in project i want just to try play with pci and ide layers[03:02:40] <@axeld> __lemon: you can play with the IDE layers, and you can play with PCI, but not yet together ;-)[03:02:55] <@axeld> __lemon: but as I said, I am in the process of changing this[03:03:48] <__lemon> axeld: its ok[03:04:34] <@axeld> __lemon: not that you're frustrated and come back to kick me ;-)[03:09:15] *** thies has quit IRC[03:11:09] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[03:11:47] <__lemon> alex: can kernel be buit on linux ?[03:11:53] <__lemon> axeld[03:12:24] *** __lemon is now known as lem0n[03:12:32] <@geist> keep up the good fight axeld[03:12:50] <@axeld> lem0n: it should be, haven't tried it in a while[03:12:55] <@axeld> geist: yeah, I will ;-)[03:13:02] <lem0n> i'm sorry[03:15:14] <lem0n> in my time zone 4 AM[03:17:58] <lem0n> hi geist, axeld answered all my questions about busses -)[03:18:51] <@axeld> lem0n: it's actually 3 AM here, so it's not too far away - and I really need to go to bed soon :))[03:21:08] <lem0n> i'm actually in bed =)[03:21:35] <@axeld> lem0n: you lucky guy :-))[03:21:40] <@axeld> I should do that too :))[03:22:27] <fyysik> laptops with wifi rule[03:22:53] <@axeld> fyysik: I do have one of those, I am just dumb :-)[03:24:20] <fyysik> yup, chatting aslo from sofa:)[03:26:18] *** iman has quit IRC[03:32:17] <CIA-6> axeld * current/headers/private/kernel/util/Stack.h:[03:32:17] <CIA-6> This can be useful at other places as well (originally came from the[03:32:17] <CIA-6> BFS implementation).[03:34:12] *** stippi has quit IRC[03:34:19] <CIA-6> axeld * current/headers/private/kernel/kmodule.h:[03:34:20] <CIA-6> Added function prototypes for the kernel private load_module() and unload_module() calls.[03:34:20] <CIA-6> Made the header C++ safe.[03:37:57] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/module.c:[03:37:57] <CIA-6> A-6> A hash_lookup() to the module images was made without having the proper lock held.[03:37:57] <CIA-6> Added kernel private calls load_module() and unload_module() that can be used to[03:37:57] <CIA-6> load/unload modules by path.[03:37:57] <CIA-6> load_module_image() now only mentions when it couldn't load a module when tracing[03:37:58] <CIA-6> is enabled (because the device manager uses it to determine if an add-on is a[03:38:00] <CIA-6> module or an old-style driver).[03:39:47] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:44:11] <fyysik> nite ppl[03:44:17] *** fyysik has left #haiku[03:51:01] <@axeld> night![03:51:03] *** axeld has quit IRC[04:01:58] *** lem0n has quit IRC[04:10:36] *** lem0n has joined #haiku[04:12:30] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[04:14:24] *** LupusMic1aelis has joined #haiku[04:16:03] <CIA-6> stippi * current/src/apps/bin/catattr.cpp: now supports the --raw or -r option to stream the original raw attribute data[04:27:46] *** SamuelGZ has quit IRC[04:27:50] *** LupusMichaelis has quit IRC[04:29:32] <CIA-6> stippi * current/src/apps/bin/catattr.cpp:[04:29:32] <CIA-6> allocating buffers of size known at runtime is a GCC feature, now allocates on[04:29:32] <CIA-6> the heap, but it should be rewritten to 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<Soulbender> hi JBurton[09:30:48] *** Potn has quit IRC[09:44:23] <CIA-6> jackburton * current/src/kits/support/ (DataIO.cpp MallocIO.cpp):[09:44:23] <CIA-6> Removed MallocIO.cpp as it wasn't being built, and BMallocIO implementation is in DataIO.cpp.[09:44:23] <CIA-6> We might want to split them again, but keeping that old file around was counterproductive.[10:19:19] *** m_eiman has quit IRC[10:19:30] *** LupusMic1aelis has quit IRC[10:24:56] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[10:26:58] *** BGA has joined #haiku[10:26:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[10:27:22] *** emwe has joined #haiku[10:32:10] <CIA-6> sikosis * current/src/prefs/virtualmemory/ (10 files): Updated[10:32:16] <sys2> humm, how far has the project progressed since i checked like a month ago ? ... been to much electronics in my head to follow this :/[10:33:27] <JBurton> which project, sys2 ? :P[10:33:32] <sys2> haiku :>[10:33:44] <JBurton> well, we have registrar running on the kernel[10:33:54] <sys2> registrar .. that is? :>[10:34:28] <JBurton> an 18 09:34:28 <JBurton> a server which does some work, handles applications activation, and stuff like that[10:34:45] <sys2> ahh :>[10:34:54] <JBurton> on> on the app server side, stippi gave us a working drawing framework :P[10:35:20] <sys2> sounds like the knot is beging to be tightened? ;>[10:35:24] <JBurton> yep :P[10:35:30] <sys2> sweetness :>[10:35:46] <JBurton> actually, I think we have almost come to a point where a working app server is needed[10:35:48] <sys2> know anything about rudolfc's hw accel? :>[10:35:51] <JBurton> no :P[10:35:52] * w-ber can't wait to start beta testing Haiku[10:36:03] <sys2> w-ber, same .. same :>[10:36:14] <JBurton> as, with registrar working, also the input server could be made run on our kernel[10:36:19] <JBurton> and maybe media kit too :P[10:36:35] <w-ber> how far from complete is the app server?[10:37:05] <JBurton> no idea :P[10:37:15] <JBurton> an 18 09:37:15 <JBurton> a bit less far now[10:37:16] <JBurton> :P[10:37:21] <sys2> :P[10:37:29] <w-ber> hehe[10:38:06] <w-ber> by the way, are you planning to move to GCC 3.x in future?[10:38:17] <w-ber> or would that break all the binary BeOS applications?[10:38:40] <JBurton> sure we'll move to latest gcc[10:38:54] <JBurton> and to avoid breaking applications, we'll probably use versioned libraries[10:39:04] <w-ber> ah, of course[10:39:11] <JBurton> but this is in the future :P[10:39:18] <JBurton> first we need to have a working system[10:39:19] <w-ber> indeed :)[10:39:29] <w-ber> I suppose localisation is in the future too[10:39:44] * w-ber suggests GNU gettext as a viable tool[10:40:23] <@mmu_man> using binary locale files is a bit ugly[10:40:41] <@mmu_man> anyway we'll export the LC_* stuff as I did in Zeta[10:40:58] <JBurton> w-ber actually we have already some locale stuff (see opentracker locale kit)[10:41:27] <w-ber> JBurton: you do?[10:41:50] <JBurton> no, I meant: that'll be haiku locale kit[10:41:59] <w-ber> okay, good[10:43:05] <Soulbender> but versioned libraries is not th beos way![10:43:06] <Soulbender> :P[10:43:20] <|pst|> Well, maybe it should be.[10:43:57] <JBurton> Soulbender well, have you got any other suggestion ?[10:44:18] * |pst| just points to his post on bedevtalk about library versioning.[10:45:18] <JBurton> url ? |pst| ?[10:45:58] <|pst|> Well, it was somewhen in 1997 and I doubt it's archived anywhere. Heck, I didn't expect that someone actually cared to read it now :-)[10:46:23] <sys2> does the gnu-avr compiler work under beos? :>[10:46:35] *** Konrad has quit IRC[10:46:37] <sys2> (gcc with --target=avr" :>[10:46:48] <sys2> but some strange version of binutils :/[10:46:51] <|pst|> sys2: I didn't manage to compile it :-([10:46:57] <sys2> dammit :/[10:46:57] <|pst|> sys2: Neither on MacOS X.[10:47:02] <sys2> guess im stuck in linux then[10:47:09] <sys2> for that part[10:47:10] <|pst|> If you manage to compile it on BeOS, tell me please.[10:47:17] <sys2> atleast better then windows, that i need for my pics :P[10:47:23] *** __lemon has joined #haiku[10:47:44] <sys2> or, need ... if i manage to find programming software that supports jdm for linux that actualy works .. fine :>[10:48:08] <|pst|> JB: I just remember that I suggested "BeOS technical standards"-documents back then and issued the library versioning as #1 :-)[10:49:40] <sys2> humm, does anyone here know how to make metall allys? .. (copper + aluminium primarily) ... is it just to melt the copper and add aluminium or what? :>[10:49:49] <|pst|> It's quite sad that the bedevtalk archives got lost.[10:49:58] <sys2> maybe wrong channel for it but hell :P[10:50:02] <JBurton> |pst| yeah :P[10:51:01] <JBurton> I guess no one likes library versioning, because in the end, you end up like linux's library folder[10:51:08] <JBurton> but it's needed neverthless[10:51:26] <|pst|> Especially with C++' FBC-problems.[10:51:31] <JBurton> at least I hope we won't break bc every other day[10:51:38] <sys2> |pst|, you working with avr? :>[10:52:31] <|pst|> I wanted to start working with it. I do have lots of parts and an AVR Butterfly. But I need to work on BeOS or even better MacOS X.[10:52:45] <|pst|> So I'm still waiting for developer tools for these platforms :-([10:52:46] <sys2> :([10:52:55] * sys2 has ordered alot of parts to do stuff with avrs :>[10:53:08] <sys2> including comunicate with pc etc ... and i SUCK at electronics ;P[10:53:12] <|pst|> The butterfly is a nice and easy start. I can only suggest that one.[10:53:33] <sys2> i dont like nice and easy :>[10:53:43] <|pst|> I bought it to get a start without having to wonder wether my device is crap or my code :-)[10:53:47] <sys2> when problems need to be solved is where i learn the most :>[10:53:53] <|pst|> It's till hard enough this way.[10:54:22] <sys2> took me a month to build a PIC programmer from schematics and getting it working :P[10:54:49] <|pst|> But the example code looks like a huge pile of crap. I'll have to clean that one up first and built a framework for my future projects :-)[10:55:01] <sys2> mostly my soldering sucked, first time i managed to put one of those 3 legged things the wrong way... not fun .. had to remake the whole card :/&[10:56:09] <sys2> bronse gearwheels should be strong enough for smal things right? :P[10:56:30] <sys2> custom casted in my home ... damn it feels good to do everything myself :P[11:20:35] *** BGA has quit IRC[11:22:15] *** xeD has joined #haiku[11:25:12] <CIA-6> darkwyrm * current/headers/private/app/ServerProtocol.h: Stupid forgotten header[11:32:55] *** Soulbender has quit IRC[11:35:47] *** freaxed has joined #haiku[11:43:07] <CIA-6> jackburton * current/src/kits/interface/Menu.cpp: Now BMenu also calculate the triggers for BMenuItems.[11:54:00] *** xeD has quit IRC[12:05:40] *** crem has quit IRC[12:14:22] *** freaxed is now known as xeD[12:14:46] <JBurton> hi xeD[12:15:44] <xeD> JBurton hi[12:16:15] <xeD> JBurton how the BMenu is going?[12:17:18] <JBurton> xeD not much progress lately[12:17:27] <JBurton> xeD I don't have much time to go deep into it[12:17:30] <JBurton> just doing small changes[12:18:45] <xeD> JBurton what is the main problem?[12:19:27] <JBurton> xeD two problems: 1. sticky mode is not implemented and it's not clear how to implement it[12:19:36] <JBurton> 2. submenus doesn't work yet[12:20:01] <JBurton> brb in 2 minutes[12:20:09] *** slaad has joined #haiku[12:22:35] <__lemon> what ggc you're using ?[12:22:47] <__lemon> to build haiku[12:24:48] <JBurton> 2.95 on bebits[12:25:16] <__lemon> in the Getting Started you suggest old 2.9 gnupro from geekgadgets[12:25:21] <JBurton> xeD though it could just be me, I mean, maybe someone which isn't gone mad yet could have a look at the code and fix these problems without issues[12:25:27] <JBurton> __lemon that getting started is old[12:25:48] <__lemon> JBurton: is there updated getting started[12:26:18] <JBurton> don't know[12:26:30] <JBurton> using the bebits compiler though should be ok[12:26:35] <JBurton> s/should/will[12:26:46] <__lemon> and what is that: http://www.haikunews.org/files/gcc-2.95.3-zooey-test2.zip[12:26:55] <JBurton> an 18 11:26:55 <JBurton> an old version of the gcc on bebits[12:27:02] <__lemon> ok[12:27:19] <JBurton> use this http://www.bebits.com/bob/18096/gcc-2.95.3-beos-041202.zip[12:32:15] <JBurton> bbl lunch[12:41:51] *** dipp has joined #haiku[12:43:26] *** Racer__X has joined #haiku[13:04:50] <__lemon> is that correctly to call haiku OpenBeOS ?[13:05:04] <__lemon> in docs ...[13:09:35] <sys2> why not just use haiku ? :>[13:09:38] <sys2> as its the name now? :>[13:10:02] <__lemon> is it the name not codename ?[13:11:27] <dipp> Haiku is the name.[13:11:33] *** xeD has quit IRC[13:11:36] <dipp> OpenBeOS was the old name[13:11:51] <__lemon> OpenBeOS was better ...[13:14:00] <dipp> You may think what you wan't, the name is set, live with it.[13:17:54] <sys2> i think haiku is a nice name :>[13:18:24] <sys2> and that all developers are nice people ... *hopes they start working both day and night and not only night :P*[13:25:22] <@mmu_man> rm ./reallife[13:25:23] <@mmu_man> ?[13:28:06] <sys2> you dont have to use ./[13:28:10] <sys2> as you are in the same folder :>[13:28:14] <sys2> rm reallife will suffice :>[13:28:37] * sys2 got a bad feeling he used the wrong word but he does now know so he does not care :>[13:29:01] <sys2> and if i dont care i do not care .. but it will eat away in my mind for a week or two .. just cruncing and crunching all the time...[13:38:00] <JBurton> re[13:51:09] *** xeD has joined #haiku[13:52:54] <JBurton> xeD bentornato[13:57:54] <xeD> cioa JBurton[13:58:35] <xeD> JBurton do yu know if CUPS is available (and working) for zeta/beos?[13:58:57] <@mmu_man> heard it's working but not available :p[14:00:07] <JBurton> mmu_man I thought Zeta used Cups[14:00:24] <@mmu_man> it's not integrated yet[14:01:09] <xeD> mmu_man good news! and it works with or without printer_sever?[14:04:40] <JBurton> xeD why is Cups so good ?[14:05:19] <xeD> JBurton I would like to replace my server with beos..[14:05:30] <xeD> JBurton and I would like to share the printer[14:05:52] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[14:05:55] <xeD> JBurton I think CUPS is also a printer server[14:07:25] <JBurton> ah ok I see[14:08:05] <@mmu_man> not integrated == not linked to print server[14:08:20] <@mmu_man> so you can basically print ps files from CLI[14:08:25] <@mmu_man> I think[14:08:34] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has joined #haiku[14:10:25] *** mmadia has quit IRC[14:43:08] *** xeD has quit IRC[14:44:56] <CIA-6> jackburton * current/src/kits/interface/MenuItem.cpp: BMenuItem now also draws the trigger at the right position. There was a small visual glitch because the menu's lowcolor was not resetted: fixed. BMenuItem::Draw() needs a cleanup.[14:46:48] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[14:48:02] <JBurton> hi fyysik[14:50:29] *** dipp has quit IRC[14:54:19] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has quit IRC[14:57:52] *** slaad has quit IRC[14:58:15] <fyysik> ÛÙ çÙÕËÄÆÔ× áù ÆÅ ÉÕÉÛÅÙ ÆÄËÕÆ×Î,[14:58:19] <fyysik> sorry[14:58:27] <fyysik> Is Userland FS at bebits already?[14:59:20] <JBurton> fyysik hmmm no, don't think so[15:00:22] <JBurton> though I think you can find it here: http://tfs.cs.tu-berlin.de/~bonefish/download/userlandfs.zip[15:02:15] <fyysik> 10Þ[15:02:17] <fyysik> 10x[15:08:30] <JBurton> actually, that link is in the makehdimage script in the repository[15:09:55] <@mmu_man> hmmm[15:10:06] <JBurton> mmu_man ?[15:10:08] <@mmu_man> maybe samba has been in a working state since the begining[15:10:19] <@mmu_man> source/include/local.h:#define GUEST_ACCOUNT "nobody"[15:10:28] <@mmu_man> probably I could just override that :)[15:10:48] <JBurton> ahah[15:12:00] *** ConneX has joined #haiku[15:14:47] <@mmu_man> Could not test socket option SO_SNDTIMEO.[15:14:48] <@mmu_man> Could not test socket option SO_RCVTIMEO.[15:14:49] <@mmu_man> Could not test socket option SO_KEEPALIVE.[15:14:49] <@mmu_man> Could not test socket option SO_REUSEADDR.[15:14:50] <@mmu_man> Could not test socket option SO_BROADCAST.[15:14:52] <@mmu_man> arf :)[15:14:56] <@mmu_man> that I don't care[15:17:06] <@mmu_man> hmm bad pass[15:17:08] <@mmu_man> of course I do have one[15:17:22] <@mmu_man> now what's the hardcoded guest user in bone...[15:17:53] <JBurton> isn't baron as R5 ?[15:18:01] <JBurton> as _in_ R5 ?[15:18:59] *** petterhj has joined #haiku[15:19:26] <@mmu_man> no that's not guesst[15:19:28] <@mmu_man> it's root[15:19:36] <@mmu_man> hmm bone only has uid 0 mapped[15:19:56] <JBurton> ah ok I see[15:21:16] <fyysik> mmu_man - did you use iconv from bebits for samba 3 or build it yourself?[15:22:08] <@mmu_man> don't recall[15:22:11] <@mmu_man> was so long ago[15:22:24] <@mmu_man> I think I have iconv installed already from bebits[15:23:56] *** Potn has joined #haiku[15:35:38] *** ConneX has quit IRC[15:55:01] *** thies has quit IRC[15:55:17] *** petterhj has quit IRC[16:00:35] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[16:01:57] *** thies has joined #haiku[16:03:34] *** m_eiman has joined #haiku[16:10:44] *** Karina``_ has quit IRC[16:11:08] <CIA-6> jackburton * current/src/kits/interface/MenuItem.cpp: The LowColor() had to be resetted after having drawn the shortcut symbol. Corrected a weird typo.[16:11:13] *** Karina`` has joined #haiku[16:12:21] *** Methe has joined #haiku[16:22:38] *** illissius[sleep] has quit IRC[16:27:28] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[16:28:02] <JBurton> hey ShackaN[16:28:58] <ShackaN> hi man[16:32:05] <JBurton> whassup ?[16:36:25] <ShackaN> I'm under pressure..[16:36:38] <ShackaN> tre exams in ~9 days[16:39:25] <JBurton> oh[16:41:11] *** GNUStep_Me has joined #haiku[16:54:27] <CIA-6> bonefish * current/src/kits/Jamfile: We're using uname(), so we need to link libopenbeos.so against libnet.so under R5.[16:56:47] <fyysik> hehe - http://www.gotw.ca/publications/concurrency-ddj.htm[16:59:17] *** brennanOS has joined #haiku[16:59:37] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/fs/vfs.cpp:[16:59:38] <CIA-6> get_vnode_name() now handles a NULL parent vnode gracefully (and returns[16:59:38] <CIA-6> an 18 15:59:38 <CIA-6> an error in case the vnode name could not be retrieved without it).[16:59:38] <CIA-6> Comment cleanup for consistency.[16:59:38] <CIA-6> Renamed remaining "omode" variables to openMode.[17:00:43] *** lizdeika has joined #haiku[17:07:49] *** GNUStep_Me has quit IRC[17:13:47] <CIA-6> axeld * current/headers/private/kernel/kdevice_manager.h: Added prototype for probe_for_device_type().[17:17:10] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[17:22:55] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[17:25:51] *** emwe has quit IRC[17:26:29] *** mmadia has quit IRC[17:30:01] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/device_manager/probe.cpp:[17:30:02] <CIA-6> Some work in progress cut back to support R5 style device exploration.[17:30:02] <CIA-6> Also includes the loader of R5 styled drivers (taken from dev.c).[17:33:28] *** xeD has joined #haiku[17:33:30] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[17:33:34] <JBurton> hey xeD[17:33:50] <xeD> JBurton oi[17:34:36] <JBurton> xeD non sto lavorando al gioco, x ora :P[17:34:51] <xeD> JBurton a ok :=)[17:36:45] *** __lemon has quit IRC[17:38:10] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kernel/Jamfile:[17:38:11] <CIA-6> Removed ToDo comment about removing kernel.so - actually, we'll keep kernel.so[17:38:11] <CIA-6> because it has some advantages over a relocatable kernel.[17:38:11] <CIA-6> Removed libbus.a as it's no longer needed.[17:38:11] <CIA-6> kernel.so now depends on kernel, so that both files are updated at once.[17:39:54] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kernel/drivers/ (Jamfile dev.c):[17:39:54] <CIA-6> Removed dev.c as it's no longer in use (driver loading is now done by[17:39:54] <CIA-6> the device manager).[17:41:52] *** Karina`` has quit IRC[17:42:40] *** stippi has joined #haiku[17:43:43] *** Fanskap has quit IRC[17:45:04] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/ (main.c console.c):[17:45:05] <CIA-6> dev_init() and bus_init() are now both obsolete.[17:45:05] <CIA-6> con_init() now takes care of the initialization of its currently built-in[17:45:05] <CIA-6> console drivers itself.[17:46:23] <CIA-6> axeld * current/headers/private/kernel/ (dev.h devs.h): No longer used.[17:46:28] *** Karina`` has joined #haiku[17:48:08] *** Fanskapet has joined #haiku[17:51:49] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/fs/devfs.cpp:[17:51:49] <CIA-6> Now uses a driver/device exploration like R5; when a directory is looked[17:51:49] <CIA-6> up for the first time, it will try to load all drivers that may export[17:51:49] <CIA-6> devices there. Those devices will currently stay loaded, though - this[17:51:49] <CIA-6> will only be changed when load_kernel_add_on() is able to cache add-ons.[17:51:49] <CIA-6> Renamed pnp_devfs_probe() to pnp_devfs_register_device().[17:51:51] <CIA-6> Fixed debug output for devfs_create().[17:54:20] *** GNUStep_Me has joined #haiku[18:01:12] *** brennanOS has quit IRC[18:03:14] *** GNUStep_Me has quit IRC[18:09:57] *** lizdeika has quit IRC[18:10:07] <JBurton> bye all[18:10:45] <CIA-6> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/nv_acc_dma.c: fixed a stupid error I introduced with cleaning up some stuff: FIFO channel assignments should now work. Confirmed NV11 BTW being at the same level as NV43: DMA works, engine not yet.[18:11:02] *** JBurton has quit IRC[18:11:13] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC[18:14:41] <CIA-6> rudolfc * current/headers/private/graphics/nvidia/nv_acc.h: removed a define that's not needed.[18:18:24] <CIA-6> axeld * current/headers/private/kernel/defines.h: Removed no longer used SYS_MAX_* constants (we have B_*_NAME_LENGTH for this).[18:19:33] *** MikeW has quit IRC[18:20:06] <Methe> GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO00000000000OOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo axel GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO000000oooooooooooo !!!!!![18:27:33] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[18:27:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[18:28:11] *** thaflo has quit IRC[18:29:08] *** Fanskapet has joined #haiku[18:29:34] *** ConneX has joined #haiku[18:31:36] *** brennanOS has joined #haiku[18:40:40] <w-ber> Axel is on a killing spree today (again)[18:42:14] <brennanOS> yeah, he is about the only one writing the kernel[18:42:34] <w-ber> I feel bad for not being a kernel hacker and thus being unable to help[18:43:21] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has joined #haiku[18:43:23] <brennanOS> heh[18:43:34] <brennanOS> I'm just about to start helping, hard to know where to start though[18:43:41] <brennanOS> I guess I could ask Axel[18:47:52] <brennanOS> Anybody know Axel's email?[18:48:43] <@mmu_man> axel at pinc-software dot de IIRC[18:48:57] <tic> yup.[18:49:03] <brennanOS> cool, maybe I can tackle the POSIX task[18:49:06] <@mmu_man> axeld :)[18:49:09] <brennanOS> I got laid off so I have time now[18:49:20] <@mmu_man> mailto:axeld at pinc-software dot de[18:49:25] <tic> cool, or something. but you shouldn't you be looking for a new job?[18:51:40] <brennanOS> tic: yeah[18:52:12] <brennanOS> tic: but I do get unemployment, so Im going to take advantage of some of this free time[18:52:27] <tic> brennanOS, good idea[18:52:28] <brennanOS> tic: It may be the last time I ever have it[18:52:36] <tic> brennanOS, *nod*[18:52:37] <brennanOS> got a baby on the way and all[18:52:43] <tic> eep[18:52:52] <tic> what are you waiting for?! get started :)[18:53:46] *** tic has quit IRC[18:57:46] *** tic has joined #haiku[19:06:46] *** lymon has joined #haiku[19:06:52] *** Monni has joined #haiku[19:14:29] *** dipp has joined #haiku[19:18:31] <CIA-6> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/ (5 files): added a nv.settings switch 'dma_acc'. User can choose method for acceleration. Default is off, selecting (old) PIO mode. DMA still does not work, and is not completed.[19:20:04] *** lymon has left #haiku[19:20:53] *** Karina`` has quit IRC[19:21:33] <CIA-6> stippi * current/src/apps/bin/catattr.cpp: fixed raw streaming option to read and write larger chunks[19:21:49] <Methe> stippi = oliver tappe ?[19:22:24] <CIA-6> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/graphics/nvidia/ (driver.c nv.settings): added dma_acc setting for nv.settings.[19:23:55] <stippi> Methe: stippi = Stephan Aßmus[19:24:08] <Methe> = you[19:24:10] <Methe> :DD[19:24:16] <Methe> ok[19:24:26] <Methe> Weird I didn't eard your name before[19:24:34] <Methe> might have fogotton ;([19:24:53] <stippi> I only recently started commiting to Haiku.[19:25:12] <Methe> ah that must be it then[19:25:16] <Methe> u joined recently ?[19:25:19] <stippi> I used to work more on WonderBrush, eXposer before that.[19:25:22] <Methe> or just stared commiting recently ?[19:25:35] <Methe> oh so u're the guy behind Wonderbrush[19:25:43] <stippi> Yeah, that's me.[19:25:49] <Methe> nice work dude[19:25:52] <stippi> thanks[19:25:53] <Methe> to tell u the truth[19:25:57] <Methe> I bought refraction[19:26:00] <CIA-6> rudolfc * current/headers/private/graphics/nvidia/DriverInterface.h: added setting 'dma_acc' for nv.settings.[19:26:04] <Methe> but now I hope i'd have bought wonderbrush[19:26:15] <Methe> I can't do a bloody thing with refraction[19:26:18] <Methe> alsways crashes on me[19:26:20] <stippi> there is still time. I'm not asking a lot of mony.[19:26:26] <Methe> never had any pb with my testings of WB[19:26:35] <stippi> nice to hear that.[19:27:07] <Methe> anyway, nice to see one more guy adding lines into Haiku :)[19:27:18] <Methe> u work on SCG and antigrain as i read[19:27:20] <stippi> I'm trying hard though to deliver a stable product. But I don't do professional testing by any means.[19:27:22] <Methe> cool[19:27:32] <stippi> SCG? You mean SVG?[19:27:38] <Methe> yes[19:27:42] <Methe> wrong button[19:27:46] <Methe> :))[19:27:46] <stippi> np[19:28:11] <stippi> I worked on the platform specific port of AGG, but not on the core library.[19:28:29] <Methe> is AAG complete and finish ?[19:28:38] <Methe> or u guys gonna have to tweak app_server at each AGG release ?[19:29:22] <stippi> Yes, but of course there is always something left to be wished for, from reading the AGG mailing list, but I didn't come across something that didn't work.[19:29:35] <stippi> The API is pretty stable if you mean that.[19:29:43] <Methe> ok[19:29:47] *** bryan_W has joined #haiku[19:29:48] <Methe> my only fear[19:29:57] <Methe> is a app_server patch ever 2 week[19:30:02] <stippi> There are tons of large scale projects based on AGG, the guy doesn't hust change API like that.[19:30:06] <Methe> not Be-ish[19:30:16] <stippi> hust = just[19:30:25] <Methe> k[19:30:28] <Methe> I have to go[19:30:30] <Methe> c u around[19:30:35] <Methe> thx 4 your chat[19:30:40] <stippi> If he has to, then he usually documents it pretty well and explains the changes to be done in client code.[19:30:46] <stippi> bye[19:30:49] <@mmu_man> would be funny to have BSVGPicture[19:31:03] <stippi> that would be a huge class[19:31:19] <stippi> cu[19:31:52] *** lymon_ has joined #haiku[19:33:35] *** oco has joined #haiku[19:34:38] *** lymon_ has quit IRC[19:37:55] <CIA-6> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/nv_acc_dma.c: The DMA_PUT register is write-only on some cards (confirmed NV11).[19:39:53] *** xeD has quit IRC[19:43:16] <CIA-6> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/nv_acc_dma.c: small logging correction for DMA_PUT.[19:47:51] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[19:49:24] <Monni> evening Begasus[19:49:32] <Begasus> evening Monni ;)[19:54:27] <Monni> Begasus: Have you done any harakiri Haiku hacking lately ;)?[19:54:48] <Begasus> nope .. :P[19:55:02] <Begasus> just got home from work so .. :P[19:55:09] <Monni> Begasus: I tried booting my hacked version from floppy... almost worked ;)[19:55:40] <Begasus> hacked kernel? <eg>[19:56:17] <Monni> Begasus: Well... I edited files from various parts, including the kernel... I hoped that it would send me to Haiku Debugglng Land, but it didn't ;)[19:56:46] <Begasus> hehe[19:57:16] <Monni> Begasus: typing "uname" did work, but "ls" didn't... Maybe because I didn't finish editing disk stuff yet...[19:57:22] *** oco has quit IRC[19:57:42] *** oco has joined #haiku[19:58:11] <brennanOS> I have a make that scrolls errors beyond what I can read on-screen (straight terminal window here, no X) and when I try to redirect to a file, only some of it gets into the file.. how can I pipe that error output to a file?[19:58:24] <Monni> 2>[19:58:49] <Monni> I usually redirect both stdout and stderr to same file ;)[19:59:08] <brennanOS> ah[19:59:50] <brennanOS> that redirecting stderr there, right?[19:59:56] <Monni> I love when I get 1000 lines of make or jam output... takes hours to pick easiest errors and warnings...[20:00:24] <Monni> > > = stdout, 2> = stderr[20:00:35] <brennanOS> yeah, ok[20:00:38] <Monni> <Monni> < = stdin ;)[20:00:43] <brennanOS> ;)[20:01:03] <Monni> <- catfish ;)[20:02:27] <CIA-6> axeld * current/headers/os/drivers/device_manager.h:[20:02:28] <CIA-6> Renamed the probe() hook to register_device() (might not yet match the[20:02:28] <CIA-6> functionality as good as probe(), but that will change soon).[20:02:56] <Begasus> cya peeps[20:03:11] *** Begasus has quit IRC[20:03:31] <CIA-6> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/device_manager/notifications.c: Renamed probe() to register_device(), cleanup.[20:04:03] *** lymon_ has joined #haiku[20:05:12] <bryan_W> w00t[20:05:55] <Monni> ...[20:12:59] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[20:16:32] <agentmumu> lol@vox[20:16:55] <agentmumu> was sich wohl die eltern ueber ihre kinder denken[20:16:56] <agentmumu> haha[20:20:06] <dipp> what the elderly ones thinks about their children?[20:20:58] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[20:20:59] *** oco has quit IRC[20:21:16] <agentmumu> lol, die trauen sich keine blutabnahme zu machen[20:21:37] <agentmumu> nimmt den deutschen nie wer blut ab im kindesalter?[20:21:43] *** voidref has quit IRC[20:21:52] <agentmumu> ich war immer supergern blutabnehmen[20:22:08] <agentmumu> da hab ich immer schokolade von der aerztin bekommen[20:22:40] *** voidref has joined #haiku[20:22:41] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o voidref[20:23:05] *** mmadia has quit IRC[20:25:29] *** oco has joined #haiku[20:26:23] <agentmumu> boa[20:26:29] <agentmumu> 26:29 <agentmumu> 2 meter 2 cm[20:26:31] <dipp> roar[20:26:33] <agentmumu> und 275 kilo[20:26:39] <dipp> _ENGLISH_[20:28:10] <agentmumu> haha, i'm the wrong channel[20:28:14] <agentmumu> sorry :)[20:29:28] <agentmumu> i meant, in the wrong channel[20:29:42] <dipp> :)[20:32:59] <fyysik> AnEvilYak - why dcc send status window isn't resizable?:)[20:33:15] <fyysik> Full string won't fi there for sure[20:36:10] *** Karina`` has joined #haiku[20:38:47] <@mmu_man> fyysik I'm faking nobody from libmoreposix but that damn thing segfaults... :)[20:38:56] <DaaT> hi Karina``[20:39:36] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[20:45:05] *** thaflo has joined #haiku[20:45:14] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[20:45:51] <CIA-6> haydentech * current/src/servers/app/server/BGet++.cpp: malloc.h is deprecated, use stdlib.h[20:47:48] <@mmu_man> good to know[20:48:06] *** thies is now known as n00b[20:50:01] <CIA-6> haydentech * current/src/kits/interface/Bitmap.cpp: Conform to much stricter template rules as required by gcc 3.4 and later[20:55:59] *** lymon_ has quit IRC[20:57:23] *** oco has quit IRC[21:01:28] *** tqh has joined #haiku[21:01:53] <bryan_W> woah bill is hacking, nice[21:02:55] * tqh finds the syslog interesting: KERN 's>youlooklikeyouneedamonkey'[20155]: bone_arp: arping for 1:017f71d5[21:03:02] <tic> haha[21:03:22] * mmu_man pets Vision's thread names[21:03:37] <bryan_W> heh[21:04:17] <tqh> fyysik There was no problem in destroy, just that I forgot to check if mView was null.[21:04:23] * tqh hits head against wall[21:04:31] <DaaT> bryan_W... java bryan or i'm mistaking you...[21:04:33] <DaaT> :)[21:05:10] <tic> DaaT, you're thinking of BryanV[21:05:25] <DaaT> ahh, thought so.. wasn't sure :) Thx[21:07:15] <fyysik> ahh[21:07:41] <@mmu_man> why can't they just take numbers ? much easier[21:09:23] <bryan_W> ahhhhhhhhhh[21:09:38] <bryan_W> I hate when people do that[21:10:35] <DaaT> do what? don't take numbers? :)[21:12:08] <@mmu_man> just use bryan_57[21:12:15] <@mmu_man> it's the hex ascii for W :)[21:12:39] *** thies has joined #haiku[21:12:53] <DaaT> *cough* geek... *cough*[21:12:55] <DaaT> ;)[21:15:09] *** MikeW has quit IRC[21:23:38] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC[21:26:33] *** n00b has quit IRC[21:34:32] *** lymon has joined #haiku[21:34:54] <Monni> lol... geeks think in binary, not hexadecimal...[21:35:02] * fyysik is struggling with beos-printing[21:35:38] <w-ber> BeOS is so cool in making a backup of the whole system than, for example, Windows[21:35:48] <w-ber> tar -jcvf backup.tar.bz2 *[21:36:35] *** tqh has quit IRC[21:36:36] <Monni> hehe... no need for v ;)[21:36:57] <Monni> wastes time when doing full backup... only good for small amount of files...[21:37:33] <Monni> and I usually use lzo or gz, not bz2 ;)[21:38:10] *** Fanskapet has joined #haiku[21:38:25] <w-ber> bz2 packs tighter than gz :)[21:38:29] <fyysik> Dano print quality is quite well[21:39:16] <Monni> w-ber: yeah.... but extracting gz is easier.... lzo is newest in series and I'm the official BeOS maintainer, so I use it too sometimes[21:39:30] <w-ber> Monni: I haven't tried it already[21:39:37] <w-ber> oh, I forgot to say I'm doing the backup in Linux[21:39:47] <Monni> w-ber: if I remember correctly, original BeOS tar didn't even have -j[21:39:49] <w-ber> s/already//[21:39:55] <w-ber> Monni: correct :)[21:40:02] <w-ber> but there's a newer version on BeBits[21:40:19] *** bs0 has joined #haiku[21:40:44] <Monni> w-ber: BeBits is full of trojans... I try to avoid it like plague[21:40:56] <bs0> hello[21:41:00] <bs0> ;][21:41:07] <AnEvilYak> full of trojans? uhhh..[21:41:27] <bs0> i had an idea...[21:41:46] <w-ber> trojans for BeOS? Now that's a rare sight[21:42:02] <Monni> AnEvilYak: I guess they don't check any of the files they have on their own server... Tried to download few files few months ago from there and router filter did block few "zip" files totally, because of trojans[21:42:04] <bs0> btw i have some exploits for beos[21:42:17] <fyysik> Unizone you mean? No, it isn't at BeBits[21:42:21] <AnEvilYak> Monni: can't say I've run into that problem.[21:42:44] <Monni> AnEvilYak: Not many people have trojan filter in transparent router[21:43:00] <AnEvilYak> Monni: well, I also don't download every random thing on bebits so...[21:43:27] * fyysik is in deep doubts about router ability to dected "BeOS trojans"[21:43:33] <Monni> AnEvilYak: I usually archive whole servers... I don't pick individual files...[21:43:42] <AnEvilYak> fyysik: join the club.[21:43:48] <bs0> ...idea to create BeBits classic...i have beware mirror...so php system with appname.txt parser, generates cool program-info page...like real bebits.com ... but with beware classics....huh?[21:44:20] <fyysik> but i remember some AV detected under windows my own-written BeOS program as some ancient virus[21:45:02] <Monni> fyysik: software router can filter specific parts if it's in 7bit (US-ASCII)... even if it's zipped, as long as the file isn't encrypted[21:45:26] <w-ber> Monni: I'm more inclined to think they were false alarms[21:45:42] <Monni> w-ber: I'm not... I trust the software enough...[21:45:59] <Monni> w-ber: and I tested same file locally and it did give positive result...[21:46:27] <bs0> ehh[21:46:29] *** bs0 has left #haiku[21:48:12] <fyysik> Monni - do you mean that zip at BeBits do contain MS Windows trojans?[21:48:49] *** oco has joined #haiku[21:49:03] <fyysik> or Linux trojans?[21:49:15] <Monni> fyysik: It's upto BeBits staff to find the file and see if what OS the trojan runs... My virus scanner don't let me open any zip file so I could see the trojan code[21:50:34] <fyysik> Monni - again, i didn't get it. Did you try to load that zip file in other way and test it with NORMAL antivirus?[21:51:00] <fyysik> if so - which trojans those were?[21:51:10] <fyysik> MS Windows "trojans"?[21:51:20] <Monni> fyysik: I tested it with virus scanner on my local computer.... Don't have the infected file anymore...[21:51:28] <fyysik> MS Windows "trojans"?[21:52:14] <Monni> I don't mention W****** on any BeOS place... I'm not that heretic...[21:53:02] <Monni> the transparent router was running Linux ;)[21:53:05] <fyysik> so tell me HOW AV compatnies may konw anything about BeOS trojans, if we dont? Are you drunken today?[21:53:45] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has quit IRC[21:53:48] <Monni> maybe you should ask them, not me...[21:53:49] *** lizdeika has joined #haiku[21:54:40] <fyysik> IMHO those detectors in paranoid mode detect some byte sequence which is suspicious as Windows code. But it is simply BeOS code which means absolutely different thing[21:55:38] <w-ber> I have to agree[21:55:39] <Monni> lol.... If I copy BeOS code to some other OS, I have 50% possibility it will run...[21:56:12] <w-ber> I'd like to see that[21:56:29] <w-ber> I can't run DOS programs in Linux without an emulator, now can I?[21:56:52] <fyysik> Monni - your previous words point that you expect not 50 but 100% of code compatibility[21:57:00] <Monni> if I run ELF analyzer on BeOS executable, I get "SysV" and "Shared Object"... If I change it to "Executable", the file has 50% chance again to run...[21:57:05] <fyysik> between Windoze and BeOS[21:58:38] <Monni> once more... I'm not going to mention W****** here... not now, not in 5 minutes... not even tomorrow...[21:59:06] <w-ber> BeOS isn't a religion and this isn't a sacred place[21:59:18] <w-ber> at least, not yet[21:59:26] <Monni> it has nothing to do with religion...[21:59:57] <brennanOS> damn, Axel has a file locked in CVS[22:00:09] <DaaT> it has once you say mentioning windows is heretic :)[22:00:11] *** brennanOS has quit IRC[22:00:14] <DaaT> damn that axel![22:00:41] <Monni> DaaT: I didn't say BeOS is not heretic...[22:01:29] *** oco has quit IRC[22:01:46] <DaaT> you said that mentioning Windows would make you heretic[22:02:48] <Monni> DaaT: So....[22:03:10] <DaaT> heretic... religion[22:03:16] <DaaT> heresy... religion[22:03:23] <Monni> DaaT: I didn't mention the W word yet...[22:03:44] <DaaT> because if you did, it would make you an heretic :)[22:03:49] <DaaT> hence, this is about religion[22:04:27] <Monni> as much as R.E.M is anti-religious group because they made song "Losing My Religion"[22:04:43] *** BGA has joined #haiku[22:04:43] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[22:05:09] <DaaT> maybe they are _pro_ religion, and they were only issuing kind of "warning" to all the young people out there? :)[22:05:22] *** tqh has joined #haiku[22:05:24] *** lizdeik4 has joined #haiku[22:05:28] <Monni> DaaT: lol...[22:05:42] <DaaT> just some food for thought :)[22:06:40] <Monni> my brains are already running overdrive... too much stupid bugs in Haiku to hack around...[22:07:59] *** lizdeik4 has quit IRC[22:09:59] <Monni> enough about W sh*t... have to do something useful, gf came home...[22:12:41] *** illissius has joined #haiku[22:15:19] *** m_eiman has quit IRC[22:19:11] *** voidref has quit IRC[22:19:20] *** illissius has quit IRC[22:20:24] *** lizdeika has quit IRC[22:20:38] *** voidref has joined #haiku[22:20:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o voidref[22:20:40] *** NathanW has joined #haiku[22:20:59] *** oco has joined #haiku[22:21:02] *** nathanw6 has joined #haiku[22:21:23] *** illissius has joined #haiku[22:27:38] *** ConneX has quit IRC[22:28:04] *** ConneX has joined #haiku[22:33:34] *** illissius has quit IRC[22:35:56] *** illissius has joined #haiku[22:43:26] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[22:43:55] *** lymon has quit IRC[22:49:11] *** nathanw6 has quit IRC[22:52:49] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC[23:00:23] *** Fanskapet has joined #haiku[23:00:47] *** lordcoxis has joined #haiku[23:00:55] <DaaT> oi lordcoxis[23:00:56] <DaaT> tudo bem?[23:01:09] <lordcoxis> oi :)[23:01:10] <lordcoxis> tudo[23:02:48] <tqh> fyysik are you here?[23:03:10] *** illissius has quit IRC[23:03:32] <fyysik> kind of[23:03:38] *** illissius has joined #haiku[23:04:08] <fyysik> 2:04:08 <fyysik> 2:04 PM in Menlo Park[23:04:36] <tqh> in onpaint was it good to remove the mview locking and constrain clipping?[23:04:42] <tic> The Blues is number One in Menlo Park.[23:05:23] <fyysik> tqh - until i add new locking in gfx. In this case we will reconsider it again. maybe[23:05:40] <fyysik> but now if it don't crash for you - why not?[23:06:06] <tqh> ah, I just wondered if it matters speedwise.[23:06:37] <fyysik> tqh - clipping is strange thing at all, if we set it directly for BeOS[23:06:50] <tqh> ah ok[23:06:56] <fyysik> as we have two clipping managers in that case[23:07:11] <fyysik> Mozilla itself via calls in GFX[23:07:18] <fyysik> and our manual[23:07:32] <fyysik> unfortunately Scrolling is bad without those manual tricks[23:08:33] <fyysik> tqh - actually you need slower machine:) to test all those changes[23:08:42] *** illissius has quit IRC[23:08:57] <fyysik> ik> i gave better machine to my son away, for that reason:)[23:09:05] *** illissius has joined #haiku[23:09:06] <tqh> fyysik yes just looked thru the scroll code. Anyway I think I'm gonna see if I have enough space to build an optimized build for testers.[23:09:24] <tqh> Well I have a slow machine too[23:10:08] <fyysik> heh, last step is to set up your own cvs server:)[23:11:08] *** illissius has quit IRC[23:11:30] *** illissius has joined #haiku[23:12:06] <tqh> well I rather not have a cvs-server here :)[23:15:24] *** bryan_W is now known as Bryan_W[23:19:16] *** illissius has quit IRC[23:21:40] *** illissius has joined #haiku[23:21:48] *** MikeW has quit IRC[23:24:20] <CIA-6> adioanca * current/src/servers/app/server/ (8 files): Fixed cursor bug; made some cursor handlers temporaly unavailable. :-D - this is part of moving PollerThread into RootLayer class.[23:28:47] *** liquidboy has joined #haiku[23:31:31] <CIA-6> adioanca * current/src/servers/app/server/ (DisplayDriver.cpp Jamfile): Moved CursorData.cpp into libappserver.so[23:31:39] *** slaad has joined #haiku[23:33:54] *** oco has quit IRC[23:34:17] *** thaflo has quit IRC[23:37:31] <CIA-6> stippi * current/src/apps/bin/catattr.cpp: fixed error reporting in --raw mode[23:41:17] *** illissius is now known as illissius[sleep][23:42:38] *** LupusMichaelis has joined #haiku[23:45:09] *** brennanOS has joined #haiku[23:49:46] <Bryan_W> wow everyone has made a commit tody[23:50:33] *** Procton has quit IRC[23:51:11] <Methe> :]][23:52:33] <CIA-6> stippi * current/src/apps/bin/catattr.cpp: forgot to remove code I used for testing[23:54:18] *** lordcoxis has quit IRC[23:54:37] <@mmu_man> not me yet[23:54:44] <@mmu_man> 10 minutes to go[23:54:47] <@mmu_man> what can I commit...[23:54:48] <Methe> cmon mmu_man 6minutes left[23:54:57] <Methe> u can add some $$$$ Divx[23:55:02] <Methe> hard in 10minutes but[23:55:03] <@mmu_man> lol[23:56:09] <Methe> for instance that one: http://www.pumpupthemovie.com/media/movies/basket/basket.swf[23:56:12] <Methe> that is like so lol[23:56:17] <@mmu_man> not workign here[23:56:20] <@mmu_man> getting only sound[23:57:06] <Methe> hmm[23:57:09] <Methe> too bad[23:57:27] <Methe> try with diff player or sthing[23:57:32] <Methe> one of the funniest I saw recently[23:57:37] <Methe> it's a editting trick[23:57:42] <Methe> but so great[23:58:02] *** tqh has quit IRC[23:59:26] <brennanOS> where the heck did libroot.so go[23:59:30] <brennanOS> in the Haiku build