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[00:10:00] <CIA-5> nwhitehorn * current/src/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Bumped MDR version number to 3.0.2
[00:10:22] <slaad> AVN!
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[00:31:36] <fyysik> hi
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[00:46:09] <slaad> Hrm... anyone know how to access the HTTP headers under RobinHood?
[00:53:16] <CIA-5> bonefish * current/makehdimage:
[00:53:16] <CIA-5> * Added the registrar server and the roster command (wasn't able to test
[00:53:16] <CIA-5> yet, due to problems with our system).
[00:53:16] <CIA-5> * The config driver lives actually in misc/config. Also added the missing
[00:53:16] <CIA-5> symlink.
[01:01:33] <Dr_Evil_> night
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[01:29:55] <slaad> Woot. Figured it out, gets put in HTTP_* environment variables.
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[01:59:25] <fyysik> hi
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[02:06:38] <slaad> Hey fyysik
[02:33:27] <CIA-5> darkwyrm * current/headers/private/servers/app/PatternHandler.h: Update to stippi's version of PatternHandler with integration tweaks
[02:34:43] <CIA-5> darkwyrm * current/src/servers/app/server/ (4 files): Sync with stippi's version of PatternHandler with integration tweaks
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[03:17:01] <CIA-5> stippi * current/src/servers/app/server/Painter/ (Painter.h Painter.cpp): DrawString now modifies the pen position
[03:19:40] <CIA-5> stippi * current/src/servers/app/server/Painter/font_support/ (AGGTextRenderer.cpp AGGTextRenderer.h):
[03:19:40] <CIA-5> added support for retrieving the position of the virtual next char, for some
[03:19:40] <CIA-5> reason the kerning is handled correctly across multiple calls to RenderString,
[03:19:40] <CIA-5> it must somehow make sense from looking at the code, but I don't follow it this
[03:19:40] <CIA-5> late in the night...
[03:22:42] <CIA-5> stippi * current/src/servers/app/server/Painter/main.cpp: added tests for using the pen location version of DrawString
[03:40:24] <NathanW> so does this mean our app_server draws things now?
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[07:05:48] <mmadia42> is Rémi Grumeau beosfrance?
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[10:31:06] <@Korli> hey geist
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[11:39:43] <CIA-5> korli * current/src/apps/expander/Expander.rdef: change to B_MULTIPLE_LAUNCH
[11:43:14] <CIA-5> korli * current/src/prefs/backgrounds/BGView.cpp: replaced ... by B_UTF8_ELLIPSIS
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[12:50:05] <ahwayakchih> hih> hi everyone
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[13:14:37] <SirMik> Korli here?
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[13:38:01] <@Korli> SirMik
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[13:44:05] <SirMik> still here Korli?
[13:44:17] <SirMik> sorry wasn't paying attention to this window
[13:45:36] <@Korli> yeah
[13:45:48] <SirMik> ah nice
[13:46:13] <SirMik> well Jack burton said I should contact you for issues with the haiku input kit
[13:46:38] <SirMik> I have major issues :)
[13:46:49] <SirMik> with the inputkit I mean ;)
[13:48:13] <CIA-5> korli * current/src/prefs/mouse/Jamfile:
[13:48:13] <CIA-5> added flag to work on R5
[13:48:13] <CIA-5> added flag work with gcc 20041202
[13:49:10] <@Korli> tell me
[13:49:26] <@Korli> you know it's still heavyly buggy
[13:49:35] <SirMik> well if I install the files....
[13:49:42] <SirMik> BeOS r5 does start up
[13:49:53] <SirMik> shows me a desktop and hangs
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[13:50:21] <@Korli> where does the build comes from ?
[13:50:22] <SirMik> I wanted to build an input kit with DEBUG_INFO so I could mail you that
[13:50:42] <SirMik> last one came from the build factory
[13:50:56] <@Korli> build factory didn't product R5 builds
[13:50:56] <SirMik> and I managed to build the last input drivers from haiku cvs
[13:51:05] <SirMik> didn't work either
[13:51:07] <SirMik> ow....
[13:51:28] <@Korli> target ws Haiku
[13:51:31] <@Korli> was
[13:51:32] <SirMik> Korli: well my buildsystem is really f*cked up....
[13:52:02] <SirMik> could you send me an r5 version (with debugging output) so I could test if that works?
[13:52:03] <@Korli> there is a flag for the configure script which set the target
[13:52:17] <@Korli> sure
[13:52:52] <SirMik> how can I private msgs you here?
[13:52:58] <SirMik> or isn't that possible?
[13:53:07] <@Korli> query is private msg
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[14:15:09] <SirMik> korli: seems the input_server works fine with the old drivers
[14:15:27] <SirMik> the be ones
[14:16:08] <SirMik> system didn't work when I had some of the new drivers installed...well worked for a bit then move the cursor to the edge of the screen
[14:16:25] <SirMik> but maybe because I had some old parts still installed
[14:16:42] <SirMik> btw do you want the input_server.log?
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[14:47:19] <SeaForth> what, down to about 30 users now?
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[14:47:38] <SeaForth> OSX is an amazingly great experience, too bad it costs money, but heck, for 499 you can have it now too.
[14:47:56] <adamk> Can anyone tell me if there are drivers for any of the M-Audio revolution cards in BeOS?
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[16:31:19] <CIA-5> bonefish * current/makehdimage: RUN_WITHOUT_APP_SERVER needs to be exported to be visible for jam. Added listimage to the image.
[16:32:32] <CIA-5> bonefish * current/src/kernel/core/image.c: Added support for get_next_image_info() with team ID == 0, which means the current team.
[16:34:15] <CIA-5> bonefish * current/src/servers/registrar/ (Registrar.cpp Registrar.h): Use the BApplication constructor that returns an error code instead of the one that just exit()s on error, so that we can at least print the error.
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[16:36:39] <CIA-5> bonefish * current/src/servers/registrar/MIMEManager.cpp: More informative debug output. The MIME manager keeps on getting spurious what == 0xffffffff messages under Haiku. Needs to be investigated.
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[16:47:11] <black_Nightmare> hey?
[16:47:34] <black_Nightmare> hm..guess no one awake
[16:47:45] <@mahlzeit> guess again :-)
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[16:48:31] * black_Nightmare pokes mah
[16:48:32] <black_Nightmare> :p
[16:48:49] <black_Nightmare> do you know anything about the ppc version of beos?
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[16:49:03] <@mahlzeit> not much
[16:49:09] <black_Nightmare> www.beosmax.org looks like its not even going to be there anymore at ALL (been the same login page for months)
[16:49:17] <black_Nightmare> and they actually had the link to buy the ppc version
[16:49:25] <black_Nightmare> wish I had thought about it a lot earlier :-|
[16:49:53] <black_Nightmare> dunno why only the x86 version was for download...oh well
[16:51:12] <black_Nightmare> hmm...well...is that like *any* ppc?
[16:51:49] <@mahlzeit> it> i don't think so
[16:52:08] <@mahlzeit> probably only powerpc
[16:52:29] <@mahlzeit> wait
[16:52:36] <@mahlzeit> that's kinda obvious :-)
[16:52:45] * mahlzeit slaps himself
[16:52:51] * black_Nightmare laughs
[16:52:59] <@mahlzeit> it> i was thinking "mac"
[16:53:16] <black_Nightmare> its just that linux distro have varying level of success with non-openfirmware ppc's
[16:53:23] <black_Nightmare> I was wondering if beos/ppc was the same or not
[16:53:54] <@mahlzeit> dunno
[16:55:51] <black_Nightmare> but then thats an old post..probably when beosmax was still up
[16:56:05] <@mahlzeit> it> i thought max was x86 only
[16:56:06] <m_eiman> I think it only works on pre-G3 or pre-G4 Macs
[16:56:30] <black_Nightmare> mah...well you meant the PE one actually
[16:56:34] <black_Nightmare> PE was free but x86 only
[16:56:43] <@mahlzeit> yeah and max is based on pe
[16:56:44] <black_Nightmare> dunno why they made ppc a paid version..go figure
[16:56:48] <m_eiman> Isn't Max based on PE?
[16:57:08] <@mahlzeit> the pro intel version is also paid
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[16:59:34] <black_Nightmare> mah...umm whats the use of that when its downloadable for free?
[17:00:00] <@mahlzeit> pe had a limited license and came with less stuff
[17:00:07] <black_Nightmare> and you know what?.. just before beosmax page started to go down for good they were already talking about a beta version coming out with better ati card supports [including tv tuner too]
[17:00:12] <@mahlzeit> although in practice the difference didn't matter much
[17:00:24] <black_Nightmare> mah...umm... what did PE not have that can't be grabbed from bebits.com anyhow?
[17:00:30] <@mahlzeit> realplayer
[17:01:28] <black_Nightmare> whats realplayer?
[17:01:39] <@mahlzeit> www.real.come
[17:01:43] <@mahlzeit> uh
[17:01:45] <@mahlzeit> www.real.com
[17:03:20] <black_Nightmare> not sure why you need real?
[17:03:49] <@mahlzeit> it> i use it to play real movies :-)
[17:03:53] <@mahlzeit> but not on beos
[17:05:30] <@mahlzeit> it> i don't think that plays realaudio / video
[17:06:12] <black_Nightmare> well mah...guess real is not a popular format then because if it was so then multi-players would have already supported it (not just on beos)
[17:06:45] <@mahlzeit> unless the tech is proprietary
[17:07:02] <@mahlzeit> or no one has bothered porting helix or whatever they called their open source codecs
[17:07:38] <black_Nightmare> well anyhow.. multi-players have already cracked the wmp and wma playbacks anyhow
[17:07:50] <black_Nightmare> and I'm sure microsoft doesn't share source for these formats
[17:08:04] <@mahlzeit> remember, beos r5 was released in 2000
[17:08:42] <@mahlzeit> so maybe the difference between pro and pe is no longer relevant now, but it was then (or at least somewhat)
[17:09:25] <black_Nightmare> mah...also it was december 2001 (VLC is version dated 0.6.0 nevertheless) when beosmax 5 PE was for download too
[17:09:33] <black_Nightmare> :-)
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[17:13:57] <black_Nightmare> anyhow I'm going off so bye
[17:14:02] <@mahlzeit> bye
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[18:13:08] <ahwayakchih> adamk sorry i don't know
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[18:14:34] <Dr_Evil> adamk I can tell you
[18:14:45] <Dr_Evil> I applied as developer
[18:15:20] <Dr_Evil> however, the documentation provided was a binary only SDK that needed to be run on windows, and allowed to write windows apps that directly use the windows drives
[18:15:29] <adamk> lol
[18:15:38] <Dr_Evil> not enough info for writinga beos driver, sorry
[18:16:32] <adamk> That's alright. Don't want to spend money on it if it isn't gonna work :-)
[18:17:31] <Dr_Evil> the bedrivers guy wanted to ask for further info, but I dont know what happened after that
[18:17:33] <ShackaN> Dr_Evil, no hope for stg like the ndisulator to run windows drivers on be ?
[18:18:08] <Dr_Evil> if you write one, there may be hope. I don't want to spend my time on this
[18:18:29] <ShackaN> but, do you think it's possible ?
[18:19:22] <Dr_Evil> don't know, perhaps it is
[18:19:26] <adamk> Dr_Evil: What would you recommend as the best card (or best supported card) for BeOS?
[18:20:27] <Dr_Evil> don't know, audigy perhaps
[18:22:55] <adamk> Sounds good.
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[19:27:59] <ahwayakchih> cya
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[20:13:36] <witukind> hello
[20:14:22] <@geist> hi
[20:14:58] <dos4> hello geist
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[20:44:39] <CIA-5> axeld * current/makehdimage: Added catattr, query, lsindex, and mkindex commands to the image.
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[20:47:52] <fyysik> hai
[20:48:30] <DaaT> ku
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[20:50:29] <CIA-5> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/image.c: We introduced the new constant B_CURRENT_TEAM for this.
[21:00:06] <tqh> fyysik Made some experimental changes to resize code which seems to improved the situation a bit.
[21:01:33] <fyysik> nice
[21:01:50] <fyysik> ik> i still use B_OUTLINE for personal builds
[21:03:23] <fyysik> qube.ru
[21:03:30] <fyysik> sorry
[21:03:38] <fyysik> wrong window
[21:03:40] <tqh> I set a bool pendingResize on FrameResized and while switch to GUI-threads occur no more resize-events are made, then gui-thread reads Bounds and resizes.
[21:05:09] <fyysik> ik> i tried to get parameters for other events in CallMethod too, instead sending it from BView hooks
[21:05:20] <fyysik> including resize
[21:05:29] <fyysik> and mouse move etc
[21:05:37] <fyysik> and even more
[21:06:01] <fyysik> keep those cached after set in BView hook like it is done for Draw
[21:06:13] <tqh> Well I'm think of having a dedicated GUI-thread for BeOS (maybe a BLooper) but dunno how feasible it is.
[21:06:39] <fyysik> so we are asking for those nsViewBeOS class properties in CallMethod instead calling app_server
[21:06:51] <tqh> ah, and no locking.
[21:07:10] <fyysik> and also don't overflood message quee and ports with parameters
[21:07:39] <fyysik> this requires one change, though, for simpicity
[21:07:41] <tqh> well I don't send any param as they are read thru Bounds.
[21:07:49] <fyysik> there is even bug for that at bugzilla
[21:08:00] <tqh> what?
[21:08:32] <fyysik> yeah, read through Bounds, but you are asking for Bounds(), and this is also call for app+server
[21:08:36] <fyysik> bug?
[21:08:44] <tqh> yes
[21:08:55] <fyysik> that stupid thing that mView is BView, not nsViewBeOS
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[21:09:23] <tqh> fyysik hmm, maybe I could get even better resize then.
[21:09:51] <tqh> fyysik ah, are all views nsViewBeOS? I didn't dare change it.
[21:10:16] <fyysik> we don't need *BView at all, only place where we send it outside is void * anyway
[21:10:31] <tqh> ok, and nsButton and such arn't views?
[21:10:36] <fyysik> so gfx gets that void pointer and casts it to BView
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[21:12:37] <fyysik> nything may or not view, but our workhorse calls nsViewBeOS inherited from BView - so it is mystics for me why we work with parent class everywhere, not with our actual class
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[21:15:18] <fyysik> also if we check just in FrameResized for that nsViewBeOS.lastsize == newsize, and in other hooks too
[21:15:26] <fyysik> we can again improve situation
[21:16:17] <Witukind> I'm trying to install BeOS, but it won't boot I just get "Loading......@#@!$$%^&^(&*_)_+" and then it stalls. I've tried booting from floppy and from CD but it just does the same thing. Is there another way to install BeOS? A install disk with another boot loader?
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[21:17:18] <fyysik> another example which i'm wondering about - keeping mouse down at same place. What happens? Is that extensive message flood of mousedown events still happening?
[21:17:37] <tqh> dunno
[21:18:15] <fyysik> hope it don't
[21:19:49] <fyysik> but one thing is more or less clear for me - usinng nsViewBeOS cahced parameters from CallMethod looks quite safe, as we always swicth to GUI thread when sending events from BView hooks
[21:21:36] <tqh> yup
[21:22:14] <tqh> me removes virtual on OnResize and makes it inline for good measure.
[21:22:18] * tqh removes virtual on OnResize and makes it inline for good measure.
[21:22:18] <CIA-5> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/port.c:
[21:22:19] <CIA-5> Fixed a crashing bug in port_buffer_size_etc() - it had a special error
[21:22:19] <CIA-5> check for B_TIMED_OUT and B_WOULD_BLOCK, but it got through with other
[21:22:19] <CIA-5> errors.
[21:22:19] <CIA-5> Removed special error check for "known" error codes from port_buffer_size_etc(),
[21:22:19] <CIA-5> read_port_etc() and write_port_etc() - they no longer print out a warning in
[21:22:21] <CIA-5> that case.
[21:41:48] <tqh> compile compile wherever you are.
[21:45:39] <CIA-5> axeld * current/src/kernel/core/port.c: Brought dump_port_info() into shape, added output of port_entry::total_count.
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[22:30:40] <CIA-5> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/nv_acc_dma.c:
[22:30:41] <CIA-5> more DMA related programming. Still acceleration this way is disabled. DMA
[22:30:41] <CIA-5> command fetching now actually works on GeForce 6600/NV43 (verified). The
[22:30:41] <CIA-5> acceleration engine still refuses to process the fed commands (correctly)
[22:30:41] <CIA-5> though. OTOH: programming not yet coplete ;-)
[22:32:10] <dipp> man...how does he know so much about nvidias plattform, does he work for them or something? :)
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[22:33:17] <@geist> if he doeswork for them he probably wont be for long
[22:34:35] <dipp> hmm true
[22:34:41] <dipp> heh
[22:35:10] <dipp> he would break some NDA's then or something perhaps..
[22:35:30] <dipp> geist: didn't you work for Be Inc. ?
[22:35:44] <@geist> yep
[22:35:53] <dipp> and you are under some NDA?
[22:35:56] <@voidref> work? nah, I never saw him actually do any work there.
[22:36:03] <dipp> :)
[22:36:06] <@geist> dipp: nope
[22:36:11] <dipp> ok
[22:36:11] <@geist> I dont work at Be anymore
[22:36:14] <@geist> nor does Be exist
[22:36:27] <@voidref> geist, don't let Dan hear you say that.
[22:36:45] <@geist> I thought he signed the paperwork a while back that really dissolved it?
[22:36:51] <@geist> once the lawsuit got taken care of
[22:36:57] <@voidref> dipp, you can learn about Be at www.beincorporated.com
[22:37:11] <dipp> I know it didn't exist more
[22:37:13] <@voidref> geist, no, they have to keep the damn thing open for like 6 years.
[22:37:15] <CIA-5> rudolfc * current/headers/private/graphics/nvidia/nv_acc.h:
[22:37:15] <CIA-5> removed a few DMA define errors which lets DMA now place the commands in actual
[22:37:15] <CIA-5> acceleration engine registers (via the FIFO), instead of sending them into
[22:37:15] <CIA-5> oblivian. Because the engine does not process them OK yet (no visible
[22:37:15] <CIA-5> confirmation onscreen of any activity even) it will hang DMA fetching after
[22:37:16] <CIA-5> about 100 fed blit-commands....
[22:37:25] <dipp> but I thought the NDA got transfered to Palm or something
[22:37:34] <@geist> dipp: no, that's not how things work
[22:37:43] <@geist> furthermore, that's legally very sketchy anyway
[22:37:47] <@mmu_man> NDA = Not Doing Anything
[22:37:56] <dipp> I really have no clue about that area so.. (clearly) :=
[22:37:57] <dipp> :)
[22:38:14] <@geist> people sign all sorts of documents that supposedly keep you from doing things after you stop working anywhere but most of those are actually illegal
[22:38:42] <@voidref> "The length of time the trust will hold these amounts will be until the resolution of potential tax obligations or other claims, or not later than four years after Be files its final tax return in March 2005"
[22:38:49] <@geist> for example, some companies made you sign documents that keep you from working on anything similarly related if you see the source code of something
[22:39:07] <@geist> ie, you look at the source to Opera and you can't work on other web browsers for 7 years or something like that
[22:39:08] <dipp> aha, ok.
[22:39:13] <@geist> those really dont hold up in court
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[22:39:46] <@mmu_man> yeah, like if your job is to do webbrowsers yo can't work anymor... quite stupid
[22:39:50] <@geist> and if I was to have any non compete thing with Be, it was over years and years ago
[22:40:05] <@geist> mmu_man: Opera made some of the Be people sign such an agreement
[22:40:06] <dipp> ok :)
[22:40:08] <@geist> since we had the source
[22:40:36] <@geist> or at least they wanted them to and we told them it wasn't legal in the US
[22:41:08] <@voidref> not that anyone from be is working on web browsers
[22:41:18] <@geist> right
[22:41:27] <@mmu_man> for once something is not legal that would be stupid in the us :))
[22:41:39] <@geist> well, it might be a california only thing
[22:41:46] <dipp> aah, norwegians...crazy people ;)
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[22:42:49] <@mmu_man> "Within a period of 5 years after parting with BE, TG shall not join any competing company, that is TG shall not join any company that will fail as deep as BE will, ..."
[22:43:29] <@mmu_man> :)
[22:47:36] * mmu_man grabs the mind-virus
[22:48:43] <@mmu_man> much better than NDAs isn't it ?
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