January 13, 2005 
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January 13, 2005 [00:01:21] *** Korli has quit IRC[00:02:12] *** Racer__X has quit IRC[00:02:44] <Lt_Henry> Im reading the SDL 1.2.8 changelog, but I can't undestand this:[00:02:45] <Lt_Henry> 1.2.8: Added missing window manager and OpenGL functions on BeOS[00:03:15] <Lt_Henry> can someone explain it, please?[00:03:19] <Lt_Henry> :|[00:04:50] *** jonaskirilla has joined #haiku[00:08:36] <@AndrewBachmann> what's to explain?[00:09:31] <Lt_Henry> what window manager refers to?[00:10:15] <Lt_Henry> and... what OpenGL functions ?[00:10:34] <@mmu_man> window manager = things ilke clos the window, move to, resize by ???[00:10:43] <@mmu_man> s/???/.../[00:11:06] <Lt_Henry> perhaps...[00:11:31] <@AndrewBachmann> thing that manages windows :-)[00:12:40] <Lt_Henry> seems to be talking about those WM events (close, resize...)[00:13:16] *** oco has quit IRC[00:13:22] *** stippi has quit IRC[00:15:10] *** Begasus has quit IRC[00:18:17] <Lt_Henry> anyway... I'll see the answer in dreams[00:18:19] <Lt_Henry> good night[00:20:00] *** Lt_Henry has quit IRC[00:22:51] *** illissius has joined #haiku[00:53:57] *** GNUStep_Me has joined #haiku[00:54:15] *** GNUStep_Me has quit IRC[00:54:29] *** voidref has joined #haiku[00:54:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o voidref[00:58:12] <Dr_Evil_> uhh ohh: http://www.elug.de/projekte/patent-party/patente/[01:00:45] *** Methe has quit IRC[01:01:27] *** __mes has joined #haiku[01:03:09] *** __mes has quit IRC[01:05:16] *** mmadia has quit IRC[01:12:50] *** ChatarraBeos has quit IRC[01:16:55] *** jonaskirilla has quit IRC[01:16:56] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[01:22:15] *** GNUStep_Me has joined #haiku[01:22:43] <GNUStep_Me> Does anybody testing the NetworkKit from Haiku?[01:23:04] <GNUStep_Me> What is missing for real work?[01:23:29] * GNUStep_Me no one?[01:23:29] <mmadia> ppp support.[01:23:47] <GNUStep_Me> ok ppp support, means a pppd daemon is missing...[01:24:12] <mmadia> sorry, by ppp i meant dialup :-)[01:24:16] <GNUStep_Me> mmadia, normal network works ok?[01:24:55] <GNUStep_Me> the current haiku build fails on arp. other things seams to build...[01:24:57] <mmadia> yes, to what extent as far as performance and stability, i dont know.[01:26:16] <GNUStep_Me> If I realy understand without ppp it works an local networks, corrent me if I'm wrong (unstable/stable)[01:27:01] <GNUStep_Me> hm.[01:29:44] <GNUStep_Me> I see pppoe and modem in userland?[01:29:51] <mmadia> NIC support is there, allowing a person to connect to LAN's and WANs ( eg, internet)[01:30:18] <mumu25> does the network stack already run on haiku?[01:30:28] <mmadia> it doesn't ( or at least not that i know of) support dialup connections -- dialup modems[01:31:09] <GNUStep_Me> if the stack is bsd compatible a pppd is the need of.[01:31:19] <GNUStep_Me> right mmadia.[01:31:22] <GNUStep_Me> ?[01:31:32] * mmadia shrugs.[01:32:15] <GNUStep_Me> pppoe/modem is only the protocol as I see, not shure I look at the source for a second...[01:32:49] <Dr_Evil_> there is kernel pppd support[01:33:15] <Dr_Evil_> or the other way: there is no pppd, it's in the kernel[01:35:45] <GNUStep_Me> Dr_Evil_ I think I saw the pppoe protocol support, that means a pppd must be ported to make dialup possible for modem/pppoe...[01:36:30] <Dr_Evil_> there is no pppd, it's in the kernel[01:37:22] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:37:26] <GNUStep_Me> Dr_Evil_, are we able to use it?[01:44:19] <GNUStep_Me> Dr_Evil_?[01:44:54] <GNUStep_Me> Ok, why there are headers and modem/pppoe in userland?[01:44:54] *** Konrad has quit IRC[01:46:10] <CIA-5> bonefish * current/src/servers/registrar/ (7 files):[01:46:10] <CIA-5> Replace ClipboardTree by Clipboard, a class just representing a clipboard.[01:46:10] <CIA-5> The clipboards are managed in a simple string->Clipboard map.[01:48:53] <CIA-5> bonefish * current/src/tests/kits/app/bclipboard/CountTester.cpp:[01:48:53] <CIA-5> * When run more than one time, the tests the increment the clipboard count[01:48:53] <CIA-5> didn't pass anymore. Now we check only the difference, not for absolute[01:48:53] <CIA-5> values.[01:48:53] <CIA-5> * Fixed the style.[01:49:40] *** GNUStep_Me has quit IRC[01:50:40] <CIA-5> bonefish * current/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Use new init_clipboard() function which initializes the global be_clipboard at libbe init time.[01:53:09] *** DaaT has quit IRC[01:54:15] <CIA-5> bonefish * current/ (headers/os/app/Clipboard.h src/kits/app/Clipboard.cpp):[01:54:15] <CIA-5> * Got rid of the BClipboard::fCount. It was modified, but never read.[01:54:15] <CIA-5> Renamed fSystemCount to fCount.[01:54:15] <CIA-5> * be_clipboard is now initialized by init_clipboard().[01:54:15] <CIA-5> * Documented at least {Local,System}Count(), since their meaning wasn't[01:54:16] <CIA-5> very obvious to me (neither helped the BeBook description).[01:57:05] *** mmadia has quit IRC[01:57:10] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[01:59:07] <mmadia> is there an RSS or RDF feed for haiku's cvs commits?[02:01:20] *** illissius has quit IRC[02:10:04] <mumu25> mmadia: http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/OpenBeOS/.rss[02:10:32] <mmadia> thanks mumu25 ![02:34:02] *** voidref has quit IRC[02:51:58] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[02:57:52] *** idontikno has joined #haiku[02:58:13] *** idontikno has left #haiku[03:10:07] *** mmadia42 has joined #haiku[03:10:38] *** mmadia42 has quit IRC[03:11:23] *** mmadia42 has joined #haiku[03:27:56] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:29:57] *** mmadia42 has quit IRC[03:32:51] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[03:34:43] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku[03:42:36] *** fyysik has quit IRC[03:50:07] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:57:55] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[05:52:36] *** Potn_ has joined #haiku[05:55:27] *** Potn has quit IRC[05:55:55] *** voidref has joined #haiku[05:55:55] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o voidref[06:01:35] *** Potn_ has quit IRC[06:02:06] *** Potn_ has joined #haiku[06:05:45] *** Potn_ has quit IRC[06:06:51] *** nPHYN1T3 has joined #haiku[06:09:24] *** TuneTracker has quit IRC[06:24:12] *** RageMax has quit IRC[06:41:34] *** _Mazon has joined #haiku[06:43:00] *** Mazon has quit IRC[06:43:09] *** _Mazon is now known as Mazon[07:01:04] *** SeaForth has joined #haiku[07:01:15] <SeaForth> oooh, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4607&item=5156712683&rd=1[07:01:37] <SeaForth> nice little PPC beos system for those in love with the aforementioned.[07:30:31] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[07:30:39] *** mmadia has quit IRC[07:30:55] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[07:34:49] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[07:34:53] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[07:36:19] *** Phated has joined #haiku[07:39:41] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[07:39:41] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[07:52:21] <@geist> cute[07:54:56] <@voidref> those red v blue videos are hilarious[07:54:57] <@voidref> http://www.redvsblue.com/archive/[08:07:54] *** emwe has joined #haiku[08:19:59] <SeaForth> voidref, yah, those are fairly funny, mostly funny fun funny.[08:20:03] <SeaForth> hahah[08:20:35] *** voidref has quit IRC[08:21:48] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[08:23:32] *** mmadia has quit IRC[08:24:04] *** voidref has joined #haiku[08:24:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o voidref[08:25:49] *** Dr_Evil_ has quit IRC[08:26:38] *** thaflo has joined #haiku[08:44:18] *** Bernd has joined #haiku[08:44:23] <Bernd> hi[08:44:27] <Bernd> hi NathanW[08:44:29] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[08:45:26] *** thaflo has quit IRC[08:45:49] <tic> good morning Bernd[08:46:01] <Bernd> morning[08:46:13] <Bernd> good? will tell you in the afternoon :-)[08:46:14] *** thaflo has joined #haiku[08:46:19] <tic> Heh.[08:46:21] <tic> why so?[08:46:38] <Bernd> dont know yet :)[08:47:09] <tic> heh[08:47:28] <tic> hm, breakfast perhaps..[08:48:15] <kr1stof> Most important for me is a tripple espresso first. ;-)[08:48:30] <mmadia> Bernd is there anything we can do to help you get the open-source stuff publically accessible? http://www.david-reid.com/cynic/index.php?p=123[08:48:52] <kr1stof> Noone is allowed to talk to me before. ;-))[08:54:13] *** JBurton has joined #haiku[08:54:25] <JBurton> hi[08:54:44] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[08:58:02] <mmadia> hi JBurton[08:58:16] <JBurton> hey mmu_man[08:58:17] <JBurton> er[08:58:18] <JBurton> doh[08:58:19] <JBurton> mmadia[09:00:54] <@mmu_man> hi anyway[09:01:28] <tic> goooooood morning mmu_man[09:05:07] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has joined #haiku[09:05:37] <tic> hei Greyhawk_Dragon[09:05:43] <Greyhawk_Dragon> :-)[09:05:45] <Greyhawk_Dragon> Hallo![09:05:54] <@AndrewBachmann> hello folks[09:05:58] <@AndrewBachmann> hi Bernd[09:06:04] <@AndrewBachmann> geist, mmu_man, etc[09:06:21] * Greyhawk_Dragon tilbringer morgenen med å høre på Rhapsody[09:06:30] <tic> åhå, trevligt.[09:06:36] <tic> jag hade tänkt att titta på DuckTales nu. :)[09:06:52] <Bernd> hi[09:07:03] <Greyhawk_Dragon> lol[09:07:08] <Greyhawk_Dragon> Hey![09:07:29] * tic wishes for an app_server that let apps know when screen draws happened, so one could have a fast VNC server...[09:10:19] <JBurton> mmu_man sure, hi anyway :)[09:10:39] <JBurton> and sorry for the delay :P[09:11:06] <JBurton> tic someting like BWindow::SubscribeToRedrawEvents() ? ;P[09:11:14] <JBurton> or BScreen, even[09:11:14] <tic> JBurton, yah.[09:11:23] <tic> mhm, BScreen would probably be the right one.[09:11:26] <JBurton> yeah[09:11:26] <tic> it'd totally rule.[09:11:31] <tic> I mean, just getting a BRect() would be enough.[09:11:35] <JBurton> yup[09:11:41] * Bernd pets cscope[09:11:44] <tic> it'd be total sweetness. imagine the speed.[09:11:48] <tic> Bernd, what's cscope?[09:12:07] <Bernd> check sf[09:12:27] <JBurton> http://cscope.sourceforge.net/[09:12:31] <Bernd> yep[09:12:37] <Bernd> works like charme[09:12:54] <JBurton> C only, I guess[09:12:55] <Bernd> mmu_man did you test it?[09:13:00] <Bernd> JBurton yes[09:13:06] <JBurton> hence the name... heh[09:13:19] <Bernd> but you can also enhance it too c++[09:13:47] <tic> ah. problem is I don't code in C or C++ :)[09:13:51] <tic> (or at least try not to)[09:14:08] <@AndrewBachmann> hello JB[09:14:12] <JBurton> hi AndrewBachmann[09:14:18] <@mmu_man> not yet[09:14:21] <@AndrewBachmann> going to China in 12 hours[09:14:28] <tic> coolio. found a laptop?[09:14:32] <Bernd> AndrewBachmann i am at 19 of February[09:14:35] <Bernd> ro Bejing[09:14:41] <tic> Bernd, leisure trip?[09:14:44] <@AndrewBachmann> I'll be leaving feb 18[09:15:00] <JBurton> AndrewBachmann oh, nice[09:15:04] <JBurton> AndrewBachmann have a good trip[09:15:24] <JBurton> same to you Bernd[09:15:32] <Bernd> JBurton well i leave tonight to USA :([09:15:48] <tic> Bernd, is that a bad thing?[09:15:50] <Bernd> i am not happy with that[09:15:53] <tic> why?[09:15:54] <Bernd> tic well for 3 weeks[09:16:03] <tic> Bernd, yeah, and?[09:16:04] <Bernd> and my youngest son is 4 months old[09:16:10] <Bernd> so 3 weeks is a LONG time[09:16:12] <tic> Ahh.. You don't want to be without him.[09:16:14] <tic> *nod*[09:16:15] <Bernd> yes[09:16:24] <Bernd> i will lose a lot of things he will learn in that time[09:16:30] <tic> so, bring him along? just gzip him and put him in your pocket.[09:16:34] <Bernd> haha[09:16:39] <Bernd> he is only 64 cm's[09:16:47] <Bernd> so i do not need tp zip him :)[09:17:21] <tic> coolio[09:17:32] <tic> what's happening in the US, except for meeting up with voidy?[09:18:15] <Bernd> voidy :)[09:18:35] <JBurton> have him move to Deutschland :P[09:18:44] <Bernd> he will[09:18:45] <tic> Bernd, only meeting up with him?[09:18:46] <Bernd> in March[09:18:49] <tic> ohh![09:18:50] <tic> coolness.[09:18:52] <Bernd> yep[09:19:00] <tic> then he'll definitely attend BG, I suppose?[09:19:44] <Bernd> yes i thnk so :)[09:20:03] <tic> nice nice.[09:20:11] <tic> hope I have time & money to attend as well..[09:20:43] <tic> So, you're only meeting up with Alan during the three weeks? :)[09:22:25] <Bernd> :)[09:22:36] <Bernd> america is SO huge[09:22:46] <Bernd> and there are 380B people?[09:22:59] <tic> not 380B. M.[09:26:27] <@AndrewBachmann> not 380M yet[09:26:35] <@AndrewBachmann> more like 300-330[09:27:27] <Bernd> ok[09:27:33] <Bernd> so anway enough to visit :)[09:28:12] <tic> heh.[09:28:13] <@AndrewBachmann> china and the united states are roughly the same size[09:28:21] <Bernd> yes[09:28:25] <tic> not in population, though.[09:28:28] <@AndrewBachmann> although china has a lot more people, and the US has a lot more arable land[09:28:29] <Bernd> so 4 times more people[09:28:39] <tic> time to pick up the laundry...[09:32:17] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has quit IRC[09:41:07] <CIA-5> jackburton * current/src/kits/interface/PopUpMenu.cpp: Added a clarifying comment.[09:42:22] *** Methe has joined #haiku[09:42:28] *** Korli has joined #haiku[09:42:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Korli[09:43:01] <JBurton> hi Methe, Korli[09:44:00] <Methe> kikoooooo JBurton & Korli & Haiku peeps[09:46:06] <@Korli> hi JBurton[09:46:57] <@Korli> JBurton i won't be online next week, just you to know[09:48:31] <JBurton> Korli ok[09:50:54] <JBurton> brb[09:51:06] <CIA-5> jackburton * current/src/kits/interface/Menu.cpp: A BMenuItem couldn't be removed and then added back to a BMenu: Fixed.[10:30:28] *** [Beta] has quit IRC[18:33:14] *** [Beta] has joined #haiku[18:37:48] *** burnez_ has quit IRC[18:39:24] *** Fanskapet has joined #haiku[18:40:58] <fyysik> TuneTracker - are you on BeShare? potential buyer there:)[18:45:14] *** MYOB has quit IRC[18:46:37] *** emwe has quit IRC[19:04:37] *** Begasus has quit IRC[19:08:08] <w-ber> hey, what's this?[19:08:21] <w-ber> MPlayer 1.0pre6 has a line in changelog saying it has a mostly working support for ZetaOS[19:08:21] <tic> which?[19:08:27] <tic> !![19:08:37] <w-ber> http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/news.html[19:08:38] *** tqh has joined #haiku[19:09:05] <tic> Heh. so it's called ZetaOS now? :)[19:09:09] <tic> tja tqh![19:09:14] <[Beta]> heh[19:09:27] <tic> w-ber, think it's dependant on mmap.[19:09:42] <w-ber> hmm?[19:09:55] <tic> "mostly working", because of no mmap().[19:10:15] <tqh> tja[19:10:32] <w-ber> oh[19:13:10] *** fyysik has quit IRC[19:15:13] *** Korli has joined #haiku[19:15:13] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Korli[19:17:00] <w-ber> http://www.string-emil.de[19:18:06] <tic> bwhdahaha :)[19:18:28] <[Beta]> ick![19:18:41] *** GNUStep_Me has joined #haiku[19:19:47] <w-ber> http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/images/shot-Zeta-01.png[19:19:53] <w-ber> there's the one[19:20:19] <w-ber> http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/images/shot27.jpg[19:21:07] <tic> nice![19:21:13] <GNUStep_Me> What do I need to compile it w-ber[19:21:44] <w-ber> no idea[19:21:58] <w-ber> the newest 1.0pre6 might be supported out of the box[19:22:04] <w-ber> I'd guess at least SDL is needed[19:22:29] *** Potn has joined #haiku[19:30:45] *** thies_ has joined #haiku[19:33:18] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[19:35:07] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC[19:36:04] *** thies has quit IRC[19:37:50] *** Fanskapet has joined #haiku[19:42:39] *** oco has joined #haiku[19:46:39] <Procton> hmm.. I hope their not talking about Zeta support in mplayer with SDL... that has worked for a long time already.[19:48:21] <GNUStep_Me> no, got the current source here....[19:48:54] <tic> GNUStep_Me, what is it then?[19:49:04] <tic> BDirectWindow with BView fallback?[19:49:46] <GNUStep_Me> No, I wann compile it an got diffrent problems....[19:51:00] <mumu25> for the hard guys (and only for the hard guys): http://daemlich.net/4252[19:52:47] <GNUStep_Me> mumu25, ugly[19:54:24] <mumu25> yes[19:56:06] *** Chatarra has quit IRC[19:57:25] *** Dr_Evil_ has joined #haiku[19:57:35] <Dr_Evil_> ohhh. a great patent, swinging on a swing: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6368227.WKU.&OS=PN/6368227&RS=PN/6368227[19:57:38] <Dr_Evil_> sooo innovative[19:58:35] *** voidref has quit IRC[20:00:09] <AnEvilYak> old one[20:00:39] <Dr_Evil_> lol[20:06:53] *** Dr_Evil has quit IRC[20:07:35] *** mmadia42 has quit IRC[20:12:33] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[20:14:37] *** |pst| has quit IRC[20:17:48] *** brennanOS has quit IRC[20:23:05] *** dipp has joined #haiku[20:23:45] *** mes_ has joined #haiku[20:23:56] *** Methe has quit IRC[20:29:03] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[20:29:11] *** DaaT has quit IRC[20:29:26] *** Konrad has quit IRC[20:31:16] *** dipp has quit IRC[20:37:34] *** Chatarra has joined #haiku[20:39:16] *** Potn has quit IRC[20:43:04] *** Chatarra has quit IRC[20:46:14] *** GNUStep_Me has quit IRC[20:50:12] *** voidref has joined #haiku[20:50:12] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o voidref[20:51:05] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC[20:57:15] *** oco has quit IRC[20:58:49] *** oco has joined #haiku[21:04:13] *** mes_ has quit IRC[21:11:02] *** Fanskapet has joined #haiku[21:28:21] *** Potn has joined #haiku[21:38:07] *** BGA has joined #haiku[21:38:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[21:44:27] *** oco has quit IRC[21:46:35] *** fyysik has quit IRC[21:51:03] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[22:01:23] *** Potn has quit IRC[22:01:51] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:18:55] *** ConneX has quit IRC[22:19:01] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[22:21:04] *** thies_ is now known as thies[22:31:25] *** oco has joined #haiku[22:32:44] *** oco has quit IRC[22:37:11] *** dipp has joined #haiku[22:40:50] *** dipp has quit IRC[22:41:34] *** lordcoxis has joined #haiku[22:48:34] *** lizdeika has joined #haiku[22:48:44] *** Lt_Henry has joined #haiku[22:49:25] <Lt_Henry> hi[22:49:32] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[22:51:10] <Lt_Henry> the apm driver does not support my board, is there any option to power the system off ?[22:52:16] <lizdeika> power button ?[22:52:40] * DaaT applauds[22:52:41] <DaaT> :)[22:52:55] <Lt_Henry> I have a problem shutting down the system using the button[22:53:02] <lizdeika> oh[22:53:18] <DaaT> pull the cord?[22:54:40] <Lt_Henry> my usb keyboard dows not work, if the system was powered off by hand[22:55:05] <lizdeika> O_O[22:55:13] <Lt_Henry> yeah, strange[22:55:13] <lizdeika> now thats one problematic pc[22:55:45] <Lt_Henry> but only happens with BeOS[22:56:15] <DaaT> had to be... humph[22:56:16] <DaaT> :)[22:56:26] <Lt_Henry> I have to unplug the keyboard, and plug again[22:57:22] <[Beta]> could you use 'hey' ?[22:58:13] *** slaad has joined #haiku[22:58:27] <tic> yo slaadster.[22:58:33] <tic> slaad, good morning, I assume?[22:58:37] * tic is just about to hit the sack[22:58:58] <DaaT> hi slaad[23:02:26] <slaad> Yip[23:02:27] <slaad> Hey DaaT[23:06:58] *** BGA has quit IRC[23:07:12] <CIA-5> bonefish * current/src/kits/storage/ (Directory.cpp Entry.cpp File.cpp Node.cpp Query.cpp): All internally used FDs are now set to O_CLOEXEC.[23:11:36] *** thaflo has joined #haiku[23:21:50] *** thaflo has quit IRC[23:30:57] *** Lt_Henry has quit IRC[23:35:16] *** lizdeika has quit IRC[23:39:06] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[23:43:27] *** lizdeika has joined #haiku[23:44:47] *** lordcoxis has quit IRC[23:46:48] * ShackaN ascolta i massive attack : smalltime shot away[23:48:56] <@geist> well okay then[23:50:06] *** Korli has quit IRC[23:52:46] <slaad> And don't you forget it, geist![23:53:04] <@geist> yeah[23:53:08] <@geist> better not