January 12, 2005 
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January 12, 2005 [00:00:11] <ahwayakchih> fyysik 1,4Ghz[00:00:42] <ahwayakchih> fyysik Athlon Tb[00:01:32] <fyysik> bit blinking, bit lagging, but always repainted[00:01:39] *** dipp has quit IRC[00:01:49] <ahwayakchih> fyysik that would be great :)[00:01:57] <Lt_Henry> atlon 1600+[00:03:04] <Lt_Henry> text rendering is managed by the app_server, right?[00:03:10] <fyysik> ahwayakchih - gimme URL with page where that not-redrawing is most annoying[00:03:15] <ahwayakchih> fyysik can i use this mozilla as default app, like it is with firefox (well.. not perfect but works in some cases ;)[00:03:25] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku[00:04:07] <fyysik> ahwayakchih - partially. You should move libs following FF example[00:04:20] <ahwayakchih> fyysik on any phpBB forum, for example: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum (but i'm not sure if guests can post, but You can try to answer something, just to see edit page)[00:04:20] <fyysik> ant then maybe correct mime types[00:04:37] <ahwayakchih> fyysik ok, will try[00:05:04] *** Lebuzzer has joined #haiku[00:06:20] <fyysik> ok. reboot to R5 PRO for 5 minutes[00:06:31] *** fyysik has quit IRC[00:09:17] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[00:11:24] <fyysik> recompiling for netserver[00:11:53] <fyysik> with O3 optimize at PIII-550 it is not so fast. 2-3 minutes for libwidget[00:12:05] <ahwayakchih> fyysik THX :)[00:14:53] <fyysik> testing[00:16:00] <fyysik> DCC[00:16:19] <fyysik> not so good, but at least that is that second alternative i told about[00:16:24] <fyysik> to refresh your memory[00:17:35] *** Konrad has quit IRC[00:18:19] <ahwayakchih> fyysik THX! this works best for me :)[00:18:23] <fyysik> ok[00:18:56] <fyysik> on heavy pages with lot of iframes and images it is really ugly, but on lightweight page with single iframe it is tolerable[00:19:16] <ahwayakchih> yep[00:20:18] *** BeMonni has quit IRC[00:20:41] <ahwayakchih> fyysik hmm i don't know if it can be connected but now scrollbar better catches mouse-up so it correctly stops scrolling (not always, but much mroe often)[00:21:19] <fyysik> there is one mistery for me[00:21:33] <fyysik> look, if Mozilla window is at background[00:21:39] <fyysik> and you move mouse over it[00:21:44] <fyysik> it reacts[00:21:59] <fyysik> move it slowly over buttons[00:22:03] <ahwayakchih> yes, links are lightened[00:22:06] <fyysik> or personal bar[00:22:15] <fyysik> links go highlighted[00:22:19] <ahwayakchih> also i can see processor working on processcontroller[00:22:36] <ahwayakchih> buttons are also highlighted[00:22:40] <fyysik> but problem is that that we never set global EventMask[00:23:07] <fyysik> only local MosueEventMask inside MouseDown[00:23:07] *** BGA has quit IRC[00:23:21] <fyysik> which must stop its effect on MouseUp[00:23:49] *** Racer__X has quit IRC[00:24:10] <ahwayakchih> fyysik on this page: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=10 with window covering all screen (not fullscreen, just resized to cover whole screen)[00:24:11] <fyysik> but it looks like EventMask is set global at start of app[00:25:48] <ahwayakchih> when i start scrolling (mousedown on scroll bar, move up/down) and move mouse to left more than hmm.. about 100 maybe 200 pixels away, scrollbar stops scrolling. that's ok. but if i mouseup there and go back scrollbar is "active"[00:25:57] *** oco has quit IRC[00:26:14] <ahwayakchih> fyysik ah now i know why :)[00:28:02] <ahwayakchih> fyysik hmm that scrollbar-left-active doesn't work always, just sometimes.[00:28:52] <fyysik> probably MousUp event got lost among intensive message sequence, like MouseMove, MouseDown, Draw[00:29:03] <ahwayakchih> like it depends on threads someohow and in some slower case it's not catched...[00:29:07] <ahwayakchih> fyysik yes[00:29:29] <ahwayakchih> fyysik but it's better now with new libwidget, or maybe just coincidence[00:30:28] * fyysik thinking about setting higher priority for MouseUp :)[00:30:53] <ahwayakchih> fyysik i got something: it happens when i mouse up, while mouse is over another window (deskbar)[00:31:09] <fyysik> ahwayakchih - did you notice how scrolling works in MS Word?[00:31:17] <ahwayakchih> fyysik and i have to move mouse over deskbar and release button very fast :)[00:31:30] <ahwayakchih> fyysik nope, i don't have ms word :)[00:31:53] <fyysik> ahwayakchih - there is pure psychological trick[00:32:22] <fyysik> you can move scrollbar, but nothing happens besides scrollbar move, until you release mouse:)[00:32:43] <fyysik> such "effective" scrolling[00:32:48] <ahwayakchih> ah, that way - i don't like that :)[00:33:37] <ahwayakchih> good You used "" around effective :)[00:33:50] <ahwayakchih> because it's not (at least for me:)[00:34:15] <ahwayakchih> ih> i end up clicking scrollbar arrow all the time[00:34:17] <ahwayakchih> :)[00:34:33] <fyysik> yeah[00:34:58] <fyysik> but it shows how slow is in reality reflow/rerendering/reformatting in MS Office[00:35:13] <fyysik> so MS was forced to use that trick:)[00:35:35] *** Begasus has quit IRC[00:35:38] <ahwayakchih> hehe[00:36:42] <ahwayakchih> fyysik some more info about scrollbar: it catches mouse up if mouse was not away more that X pixels[00:37:08] <ahwayakchih> fyysik it doesn't catch it if it was too far and over some other app's window[00:37:28] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[00:38:16] <ahwayakchih> fyysik it catches it if it was too far away but still over mozilla window BUT in this case some flag sin't cleared and next time i start scrilling i have to click (so mouse down + up) on it so it will stop scrolling[00:38:46] <ahwayakchih> blah[00:38:48] <fyysik> yeah, i know all that[00:38:51] <ahwayakchih> last is random[00:38:57] <ahwayakchih> (sometimes works sometimes not)[00:39:06] <ahwayakchih> fyysik ah, sorry[00:39:16] <fyysik> partially it is result if that finnish man requirement[00:39:22] <fyysik> of that[00:39:55] <fyysik> he (and lot others) required that scrollbar itself don't lag, inspite scrolling was really fast - accoring to mouse move[00:40:18] <fyysik> to workaround it, i'm calling global invalidate for XUL/UI[00:40:25] <fyysik> but this is heavy event[00:41:25] <ahwayakchih> ah, and with lot of scrolling mouse up is lost more often because of too much cpu eaten :)[00:41:29] *** GNUStep_Me has joined #haiku[00:41:58] <fyysik> not just CPU, but very tight message queue[00:42:15] <fyysik> if ports capacity goes over[00:42:22] <fyysik> we are loosing some events[00:42:50] <ahwayakchih> fyysik well for me we could have no scrollbars at all (i don't like them - ther destroy symetry of window, and more than one scrollbar vertical or horizontal makes window a mess :([00:43:00] <fyysik> and if you set pot capacity larger, mozilla feels far less responsive[00:43:09] <ahwayakchih> fyysik :([00:43:19] <ahwayakchih> ther=they[00:44:43] <fyysik> Windows version uses native menu and scrollbars, so takes OS care about it by self[00:44:55] <fyysik> we use XUL-scrollbars[00:45:24] <fyysik> so - "slower"[00:45:30] <ahwayakchih> fyysik is there any option to turn off scrollbars, without turning off scrolling possibility? :)[00:45:51] <fyysik> it was long ago, IIRC:)[00:46:14] <ahwayakchih> that would be nice[00:47:46] *** nano\ has quit IRC[00:49:03] <ahwayakchih> fyysik hmmm mozilla doesn't have "find as You type"??[00:53:00] *** Lt_Henry has quit IRC[00:53:15] *** GNUStep_Me has quit IRC[00:54:36] *** GNUStep_Me has joined #haiku[00:54:40] <ahwayakchih> fyysik i have them in menu but disabled.. maybe i should find some settings for them[00:55:28] <ahwayakchih> hmm looks like i have typeaheadfind options set to true[00:55:42] *** GNUStep_Me has quit IRC[00:55:47] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[00:55:56] *** GNUStep_Me has joined #haiku[00:56:19] <fyysik> ahwayakchih - again, about:config[00:57:19] <ahwayakchih> yep i found it there, i have set all to true (so should work)[00:57:41] <ahwayakchih> or maybe timeout 4000 is too small?[00:58:28] <fyysik> someone said it does, for gestures:)[00:59:01] <ahwayakchih> heh, yes, but i don't use gestures[00:59:12] <ahwayakchih> (not now anyway)[00:59:18] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[01:00:51] <ahwayakchih> fyysik ok installed "multiscroll" plugin which ads middlemouse scrolling :)[01:02:39] *** mmadia42 has joined #haiku[01:07:08] *** mmadia has quit IRC[01:07:09] *** mmadia42 is now known as mmadia[01:07:22] <NathanW6> mmadia[01:07:43] <NathanW6> It doesn't seem to be picking up libsocket when build MDR[01:07:49] <NathanW6> WHich is just weird[01:07:58] <ahwayakchih> ok, THX fyysik (i have yet to find out why typeahead doesn't work)[01:08:00] <ahwayakchih> :)[01:08:04] <mmadia> NathanW6 i c.[01:08:08] <ahwayakchih> good night everyone[01:08:10] <NathanW6> Try rerunning configure/removing the jam cache/etc.[01:08:31] <ahwayakchih> good night fyysik[01:08:39] <mmadia> already did. no change. even nuked current/distro before doing it.[01:08:49] *** ahwayakchih has left #haiku[01:09:05] <NathanW6> try nuking objects, too?[01:09:19] <mmadia> tried jam MailKit, after looking in 'configure'[01:09:28] <NathanW6> I mean, it builds perfectly on my system, and on everyone else's I've talked to[01:09:34] <mmadia> actually, no. re; objects[01:10:04] <mmadia> i'll download a new tree tonight.[01:10:30] <NathanW6> yeah, it looks like it's just jam being dumb[01:11:50] <NathanW6> I'm off to dinner[01:11:54] <mmadia> bbiab.[01:11:56] *** mmadia has quit IRC[01:12:02] <NathanW6> I know Kancept has a working tree[01:12:06] <NathanW6> Other people should too[01:12:38] *** voidref has quit IRC[01:14:55] <fyysik> damn[01:15:04] *** GNUStep_Me has quit IRC[01:15:09] <fyysik> who invented this variety of screw heads?[01:26:27] *** nano has joined #haiku[01:28:08] <nano> Hmm.. I'm having problems booting BeOS 5 Max under Bochs. It fires up, I choose the cd as boot device from the BeBootloader, and then nothing. Ok.. so this is #haiku, but I haven't found any haiku-installers, are there any?[01:29:28] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[01:29:44] <nano> I've waited for like 5 minutes, and still nothing. Is Bochs that slow or? (1.33GHz G4 PPC)[01:29:59] <slaad> Nope.[01:30:06] <slaad> I'm not sure you'll get BeOS working under Bochs[01:31:04] <fyysik> isn't there VirtualPC for PPC ?[01:31:19] <nano> Yes.. but that was hell. grayscale display :/[01:31:28] <nano> VGA not supported.[01:31:33] <nano> Have VirtualPC 7.0[01:31:54] <nano> Do I need to install anything special to get the VGA up and running or?[01:31:58] <fyysik> grayscale in BeOS inside PPC?[01:32:06] <nano> inside VirtualPC[01:32:21] <nano> VirtualPC 7.0 for OS X[01:32:22] <fyysik> tune it to emulate some S3 BeOS compatible card[01:32:33] <fyysik> or allow VESA mode in BeOS settings[01:32:35] <nano> It was.. checked in the beos devicelisting.[01:32:52] <nano> Hmm.. I'll try VESA mode.[01:33:15] <fyysik> it should be much better in VPC than in Bosh[01:34:53] <nano> Where can i find the vesa setting?[01:36:54] <nano> Download the VESA stuff from bebits or?[01:36:55] *** Lebuzzer has quit IRC[01:37:01] <fyysik> no[01:37:20] <fyysik> home/config/settings/kernel/drivers[01:37:30] <fyysik> there is sample folder with vesa file inside[01:37:41] <fyysik> move it level above and edit[01:42:17] *** fyysik has quit IRC[01:50:52] *** GNUStep_Me has joined #haiku[01:51:11] *** nano\ has joined #haiku[01:58:02] *** GNUStep_Me has quit IRC[01:59:24] *** nano has quit IRC[02:03:34] *** CIA-5 has joined #haiku[02:03:59] *** Lebuzzer has joined #haiku[02:05:13] *** mmadia has quit IRC[02:06:34] *** voidref has joined #haiku[02:06:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o voidref[02:07:16] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[02:11:44] *** reffie has quit IRC[02:13:41] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[02:14:13] *** reffie has joined #haiku[02:23:29] <nano\> anybody have experience of beos under virtualpc with a mac keyboard.[02:23:48] *** znation has quit IRC[02:23:48] <nano\> Is it possible to get the keys working so that I can type @, esc and so on?[02:26:21] <fyysik> nano\ is it some type if international keyboard you have set?[02:26:46] *** znation has joined #haiku[02:29:25] <nano\> Not esc.[02:29:39] <nano\> without vim life is kind of hard ;)[02:30:35] <fyysik> nano\ - you have there CMD, SHIFT and ?[02:30:53] <fyysik> vim? editor?[02:30:59] <nano\> Yes.[02:31:22] <fyysik> there is vim[02:31:29] <nano\> Hah.. yes.[02:31:43] <nano\> But without esc vim is pretty unusable ;)[02:32:05] <nano\> press esc to get out of edit mode and then :wq to write and quit for example ;)[02:32:14] <fyysik> ahh, and no ESC om mac keyboard?[02:32:18] <nano\> Yes..[02:32:34] <nano\> But the esc signal is not interpreted correctly.[02:32:53] <fyysik> there must be some settings in VPC for PPC to set also keyboard emulation properly. I think[02:32:55] <nano\> Could write a custom keymap. That would work.[02:33:00] <nano\> No.. not esc.[02:33:36] <nano\> ESC in the keymap tool in beos generates a box.. so if i only could remap it.[02:36:19] <slaad> Anyone here familiar with ASP/VBScript?[02:36:41] <fyysik> slaad - planning our trojan/exploit for IE?:)[02:36:50] <nano\> :)[02:37:02] <slaad> Nope... planning to earn my keep for a change :P[02:37:33] <nano\> Oh.. sell your butt to satan ;)[02:37:35] *** fyysik has quit IRC[02:39:20] <slaad> Well, no....[02:39:26] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[02:41:47] *** mmadia has quit IRC[03:12:40] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[03:27:01] <@voidref> slaad, it turns out that the im_kit decided I needed abou 3000 people files[03:27:19] <slaad> Do you have the IM:connections and IM:status attributes indexed?[03:27:35] <@voidref> if not, don't you thing the im_server should do that?[03:27:47] <@voidref> instead of creating a hojillion people files?[03:27:55] <slaad> Can you do that programmatically?[03:28:01] <@voidref> of course[03:28:26] <slaad> How?[03:28:57] <@voidref> probably with ... some api?[03:29:24] <@voidref> the fs api[03:31:25] <slaad> The FS API?[03:31:34] <@voidref> file system[03:31:38] <slaad> Ahar. Found it.[03:31:41] <@voidref> probably BVolume[03:31:42] <mmadia> voidref which im_kit build were you trying?[03:31:47] <@voidref> mmadia, the latest[03:31:52] <@voidref> built from svn[03:31:57] <mmadia> did you make ; make install ?[03:32:06] <@voidref> well, make would failt[03:32:12] <@voidref> had to make symlinks first[03:32:15] <@voidref> then I could make[03:32:17] <@voidref> make install failed too[03:32:24] <@voidref> there was a lot of failing[03:33:57] <mmadia> k. make install is supposed to mkindex the two attributes.[03:34:23] <@voidref> well, the server should create the indexes if they do not exist[03:34:29] <@voidref> that's the B_RIGHT_WAY[03:34:47] <slaad> I don't think any of us knew that was possible, voidref. But now that we do, I'll add it.[03:34:49] <@voidref> then it should check home/people and reindex those files with those attribs[03:34:54] <mmadia> ia> i only knew how to edit the makefile ;)[03:34:59] <@voidref> slaad, okis! =)[03:35:06] <slaad> That last bit I'll uh... leave out :P[03:35:08] <@voidref> mmadia, heh[03:38:11] <RageMax> so what exactly happened to the server all this time?[03:49:42] <slaad> Hrm, how would one reindex files, voidref?[03:50:02] <mmadia> RageMax Haiku-os.org's server?[03:51:07] <@voidref> slaad, you could cheat and use the command line 'reindex' tool[03:51:36] <slaad> Time to mail axeld...[03:53:10] <@voidref> I think the source is available from haiku[03:53:49] <slaad> Anyone have an URL for that?[03:58:38] *** mmadia has quit IRC[04:10:46] <@voidref> www.haiku-os.org ?[04:10:55] <@voidref> maybe it's on sourceforge[04:11:22] <nano\> Haiku has a glib2 port or?[04:14:04] <@voidref> no idea[04:14:09] <CIA-5> bonefish * current/src/kits/app/Looper.cpp: Enhanced debugging output to print also the thread ID.[04:20:15] * slaad commits index-creating-change-o-matic-2000.[04:20:31] <CIA-5> bonefish * current/src/kits/app/Message.cpp: (log message trimmed)[04:20:31] <CIA-5> * fReplyTo.target (the handler token) is internally checked even, if the[04:20:31] <CIA-5> preferred handler is addressed. So make sure, it has a usable value in[04:20:31] <CIA-5> this case, otherwise ReturnAddress() usually won't work.[04:20:31] <CIA-5> * If the message to be read from the port is bigger than the on-stack[04:20:31] <CIA-5> buffer, the chunk of memory to be allocated on the heap has to be the[04:20:33] <CIA-5> size of the message, not the size of the on-stack buffer. This caused[04:26:04] <CIA-5> bonefish * current/src/kits/app/MessageBody.cpp:[04:26:04] <CIA-5> * Fixed BMessageBody::GetInfo(): Indexed based iteration was broken for[04:26:04] <CIA-5> two different reasons.[04:26:04] <CIA-5> * Fixed BMessageBody::FindData() in case of type B_ANY_TYPE, which should[04:26:04] <CIA-5> match any matchingly-named field.[04:30:45] *** illissius_ has joined #haiku[04:33:39] <CIA-5> bonefish * current/src/kits/storage/Node.cpp:[04:33:39] <CIA-5> When opening the node O_RDWR failed, we try again O_RDONLY, but we did that[04:33:39] <CIA-5> only, if the returned error code was B_READ_ONLY_DEVICE or B_PERMISSION_DENIED.[04:33:39] <CIA-5> Some FS return other error codes though, so we are completely ignorant now and[04:33:39] <CIA-5> always retry on error. Maybe we shouldn't for obvious cases like[04:33:40] <CIA-5> B_ENTRY_NOT_FOUND.[04:34:43] <CIA-5> bonefish * current/src/kits/storage/NodeInfo.cpp: Yuck! Bad typo. I wonder why the respective unit test ever passed.[04:36:03] <CIA-5> bonefish * current/src/kits/storage/Query.cpp: Must have accidently implemented BQuery::Rewind() when migrating to our syscalls.[04:37:42] <CIA-5> bonefish * current/src/kits/storage/mime/AssociatedTypes.cpp: Fixed standard 'backward iteration with unsigned var' bug.[04:39:05] *** illissius- has quit IRC[04:41:21] <CIA-5> bonefish * current/src/servers/registrar/ClipboardHandler.cpp: Added TODO. The implementation should be revised. BClipboard::{Local,System}Count() is broken and I can see why. Instead of just fixing that a reimiplementation is probably best.[04:42:36] <CIA-5> bonefish * current/src/servers/registrar/MIMEManager.cpp: The case for data-only-based MIME type sniffing was missing.[04:42:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o AndrewBachmann[04:45:16] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[04:46:31] <CIA-5> bonefish * current/src/tests/kits/app/RegistrarThreadManagerTest.cpp: The BTestApp class from libcppunit always uses R5's BApplication, but here a Haiku BMessenger is tried to be created from it, which can't work. Can probably be rewritten to work, but I'm too lazy at the moment.[04:48:04] <CIA-5> bonefish * current/src/tests/kits/app/bapplication/BApplicationTester.cpp: Our warning in case of mismatching app signatures is formatted more nicely.[04:50:06] <CIA-5> bonefish * current/src/tests/kits/app/bclipboard/ReadWriteTester.cpp: The unit test framework supports catching debugger() invocations and we need to make use of that here.[04:55:03] *** mmadia has quit IRC[04:55:49] <CIA-5> bonefish * current/src/tests/kits/app/bmessage/MessageMessengerItemTest.h:[04:55:49] <CIA-5> Really, a static BLooper attribute is not exactly a brilliant choice. Now every[04:55:49] <CIA-5> time the App Kit test add-on is loaded a BLooper is constructed. And it seems we[04:55:49] <CIA-5> somehow leak those loopers, since when some test actually starts, already six or[04:55:49] <CIA-5> seven looper threads do exist. Added only a comment, since I didn't dare to[04:55:50] <CIA-5> meddle with those templated BMessage unit tests.[04:57:21] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[05:01:31] <@AndrewBachmann> hi geist the ssh client works pretty good... although I haven't figured out how to do control-c yet[05:02:15] <CIA-5> bonefish * current/src/tests/kits/storage/MimeTypeTest.cpp:[05:02:15] <CIA-5> * Re-enabled the tests for data-only-based MIME type sniffing. Had to[05:02:15] <CIA-5> disable the special test for sniffing a MIME type file (as stored in the[05:02:15] <CIA-5> MIME DB), since the framework is not really prepared to deal with that.[05:02:15] <CIA-5> * Removed left-over debug code.[05:02:15] <CIA-5> * Fixed a nasty `use of member of temporary object' bug.[05:03:04] <nano\> AndrewBachmann, Do you know if there has been made any port of glib2 yet? I tried compiling from official source under BeOS5 Max about 2-3 months ago without success because of diffrent problems.[05:03:53] <nano\> There are directives in the auto* files of glib2, but still unable :/[05:04:22] <@AndrewBachmann> don't know nano\[05:04:32] <@AndrewBachmann> although it looks like I just figured out how to do control-c on my sidekick 2[05:04:51] <nano\> sidekick 2?[05:05:37] <@AndrewBachmann> http://www.danger.com/[05:06:17] <nano\> Ah[05:07:15] <nano\> Pretty neat.[05:08:50] *** Kernel86 has joined #haiku[05:25:53] *** nPHYN1T3 has joined #haiku[05:38:55] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[06:01:17] *** BeMonni has joined #haiku[06:01:47] *** brennanos has joined #haiku[06:01:57] *** brennanos has left #haiku[06:05:03] *** brennanOS has joined #haiku[06:05:51] *** Potn has quit IRC[06:09:49] *** voidref has quit IRC[06:31:53] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[06:34:13] *** mmadia has quit IRC[06:39:17] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[06:42:09] *** mmadia has quit IRC[06:48:31] *** RageMax has quit IRC[06:49:26] <brennanOS> HI[06:49:31] <brennanOS> I mean, Hi[07:00:37] *** brennanOS has quit IRC[07:08:49] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[07:31:51] *** nPHYN1T3 has quit IRC[07:52:55] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[07:52:55] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[08:07:05] *** NathanW6 has quit IRC[08:16:00] *** NathanW has quit IRC[08:26:48] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[08:34:11] *** Dr_Evil has quit IRC[08:45:05] *** GNUStep_Me has joined #haiku[08:45:24] *** GNUStep_Me has quit IRC[08:45:38] *** Methe has joined #haiku[08:50:45] *** dipp has joined #haiku[09:07:21] *** thaflo has joined #haiku[09:41:41] *** Korli has joined #haiku[09:41:44] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Korli[09:55:01] *** Methe has quit IRC[09:56:18] *** dipp has quit IRC[10:11:29] *** Dr_Evil has joined #haiku[10:21:20] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[10:32:41] *** Konrad has quit IRC[10:38:58] *** emwe has joined #haiku[10:43:14] <CIA-5> wkornew * current/src/tests/kits/net/DialUpPreflet/ (DialUpView.cpp GeneralAddon.cpp PTPSettings.cpp): Fixed some bugs. Setting a default interface now actually works, but the functionality is hidden because we do not yet have kernel-side IPCP support for ConnectOnDemand (COD).[10:48:23] <CIA-5> wkornew * current/src/add-ons/kernel/network/ (10 files in 5 dirs):[10:48:23] <CIA-5> Fixed some stupid bugs. Added atomic.S (only atomic_xxx64 functions). This will be removed later because Haiku has it built-in.[10:48:23] <CIA-5> Added some little functions.[10:51:06] <CIA-5> wkornew * current/src/apps/bin/ppp_up/ (11 files):[10:51:06] <CIA-5> Finished the UI stuff. Not tested, though. If everything works as expected (I[10:51:06] <CIA-5> doubt it ;) you should see a little window prompting your login before[10:51:06] <CIA-5> connecting. It also allows canceling a connection attempt. After you establish a[10:51:06] <CIA-5> connection you should see an ugly Deskbar replicant. Click on it to see[10:51:07] <CIA-5> connection statistics and to disconnect.[11:05:12] *** illissius_ has quit IRC[11:12:22] *** xeD has joined #haiku[11:14:29] *** xeD has quit IRC[11:37:27] *** stippi has joined #haiku[11:39:05] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[12:06:12] <CIA-5> darkwyrm * current/headers/libs/agg/ (52 files in 2 dirs): Sync to AGG tree to support stippi's Painter classes[12:06:43] <stippi> cool[12:07:28] <CIA-5> darkwyrm * current/headers/libs/agg/agg_span_pattern_filter_rgba32.h: sync to tree to support stippi's Painter classes[12:08:19] <@mmu_man> :)[12:08:58] <stippi> darn, the man is not online...[12:09:39] <CIA-5> darkwyrm * current/src/libs/agg/ (15 files in 6 dirs): sync to tree to support stippi's Painter classes[12:10:33] <@mmu_man> not often in here[12:13:52] <stippi> I can see why... it can be distracting... :-)[12:16:27] <@mmu_man> sure ti can be[12:19:18] *** Kernel86 has quit IRC[12:21:21] *** Methe has joined #haiku[12:24:15] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[12:29:17] *** JBurton has joined #haiku[12:29:22] <JBurton> hi all[12:30:21] *** FastJack is now known as OldieJack[12:31:02] *** OldieJack is now known as FastJack[12:31:48] <stippi> Hi JBurton.[12:33:45] <JBurton> hey stippi[12:34:07] <stippi> I see DarkWyrm has become active again. That's nice.[12:34:25] <JBurton> yeah[12:34:41] <JBurton> I guess someone put a little pressure on him :P[12:35:44] *** emwe has quit IRC[12:35:52] <stippi> Unfortunately, my notebook is still broken, and will be for quite some time, which means I cannot code all the time.[12:36:13] <JBurton> oh that's bad. But at least your social life will benefit stippi :)[12:36:22] <stippi> It does...[12:36:28] <JBurton> good :)[12:37:44] <JBurton> is painter basically complete now ?[12:40:16] <CIA-5> jackburton * current/src/kits/interface/MenuBar.cpp: Cleanups[12:41:40] <@mmu_man> social life ?[12:41:42] <@mmu_man> what's that ?[12:42:41] <stippi> JBurton: It can be integrated, but a lot of "slave" work has to be done yet.[12:43:58] <stippi> I'll be back in a couple of ans.[12:46:01] <JBurton> mmu_man :)[12:46:35] <JBurton> that sort of thing which distracts you from your geek work, mmu_man :)[12:47:44] <JBurton> stippi ans. ?[12:47:49] <@mmu_man> ah so it's something I shouldn't care about :)[12:47:54] <JBurton> mmu_man eheheh[13:01:58] *** adamk has joined #haiku[13:12:30] *** ahwayakchih has joined #haiku[13:12:34] <ahwayakchih> hih> hi everyone[13:13:43] <JBurton> hey ahwayakchih[13:13:52] <JBurton> I think you forgot to send me something[13:14:00] <ahwayakchih> hih> hi JBurton[13:14:01] <JBurton> libSGE.so :P[13:14:08] <ahwayakchih> ah, heh :)[13:14:13] <JBurton> what's that, btw ? :)[13:14:26] <ahwayakchih> it's a "drawing" lib for SDL[13:14:30] <JBurton> yours ?[13:14:33] <ahwayakchih> no[13:14:34] <ahwayakchih> :)[13:14:35] <JBurton> ah ok :P[13:14:55] <JBurton> is it good ?[13:15:29] *** adamk has quit IRC[13:15:47] <ahwayakchih> well.. i didn't make any time tests comapring sge with sdl_gfx, but it's easy to use, and has one feauture over sdl_gfx - truetype based text drawing[13:16:08] <JBurton> ok[13:16:13] <ahwayakchih> JBurton http://libpak.neoni.net/packages/LibPak_libsge_user.zip[13:16:26] <JBurton> so, no need to reimplement your own text drawing routines[13:16:31] <ahwayakchih> yep[13:16:39] <JBurton> tnx[13:16:39] <JBurton> good[13:16:51] <ahwayakchih> hmm do You have SDL_ttf?[13:17:00] <JBurton> hrm[13:17:03] <JBurton> don't know :P[13:17:08] <ahwayakchih> sge uses it IIRC[13:17:10] <ahwayakchih> http://libpak.neoni.net/packages/LibPak_libsdl_ttf_user.zip[13:17:13] <JBurton> when I upgraded my compiler, I lost lots of libraries :P[13:17:27] <ahwayakchih> :([13:17:28] <JBurton> I hate dependencies :P[13:17:45] <JBurton> is there the big libpak archive somewhere ?[13:17:49] *** emwe has joined #haiku[13:17:51] <ahwayakchih> JBurton yep[13:17:55] <JBurton> url ? :P[13:18:01] <ahwayakchih> but i've updated few libs since then :([13:18:05] <JBurton> ah :([13:18:14] <ahwayakchih> http://libpak.neoni.net/packages/LibPak_FULL_user.zip or http://libpak.neoni.net/packages/LibPak_FULL_dev.zip[13:18:28] <JBurton> tnx[13:18:28] <ahwayakchih> wait i'll rebuild full thing[13:18:32] <ahwayakchih> and upload[13:18:34] <JBurton> nah, don't do it just for me[13:18:39] <ahwayakchih> heh ok :)[13:18:48] <ahwayakchih> JBurton just go to:http://libpak.neoni.net/packages/[13:19:03] <JBurton> oki :)[13:19:06] <JBurton> B_WILL_DO[13:19:07] <ahwayakchih> and check if it list is sorted by date[13:19:30] <ahwayakchih> then downlaod FULL thing, and those few which have newer date than FULL[13:19:42] <JBurton> later/tomorrow, though :))[13:19:48] <ahwayakchih> :)[13:20:54] <JBurton> btw, are you subscribed to bedevtalk ?[13:20:59] <ahwayakchih> JBurton nope[13:21:04] <ahwayakchih> why?[13:21:39] <JBurton> well, today a guy (italian, btw) needed a custom BPopUpMenu, and I told him to start from haiku's implementation (which I and Marc wrote)[13:21:51] <JBurton> and that worked :P[13:22:05] <ahwayakchih> JBurton congrats :)[13:22:18] <JBurton> thanks :P[13:22:33] <JBurton> that means he'll find lots of bugs and hopefully reports them :P[13:22:39] <ahwayakchih> hehe :)[13:22:46] <JBurton> http://www.tenar.it/andrea/beos/files/menu2.png[13:23:02] <ahwayakchih> ooo[13:23:10] <JBurton> BPopUpMenu doesn't support B_ITEMS_IN_MATRIX, so he needed to change that[13:23:17] <ahwayakchih> :)[13:24:16] <ahwayakchih> nice (i mean it can handle such matrix), though i'm not sure if that popup is good from user point of view[13:24:20] <JBurton> it's good to see haiku's code being used around, though I'd prefer to see the full haiku :P[13:24:23] <ahwayakchih> (not too readable)[13:24:32] <JBurton> ahwayakchih well, that's not my problem :)))[13:24:37] <ahwayakchih> JBurton yeah full haiku would be great :)[13:24:46] <ahwayakchih> hehe[13:35:52] <JBurton> hmmm I'm hungry[13:37:31] <ahwayakchih> didn't You have lunch yet?[13:37:40] <JBurton> no, I'm waiting to go home[13:37:58] <JBurton> I didn't ate anything since... er... yesterday evening[13:38:07] <ahwayakchih> ouh[13:38:10] <ahwayakchih> ouch even[13:38:16] <JBurton> apart from a little "mars" 2 years..er... hours ago[13:38:24] <ahwayakchih> why? are You on some special diet or something? :)[13:38:30] <ahwayakchih> hehe[13:38:32] <JBurton> no, I never eat anything in the morning[13:38:45] <ahwayakchih> ah, yes, i remember You told me[13:38:49] <JBurton> :P[13:38:50] <ahwayakchih> :)[13:39:08] <JBurton> that way my borked mind thinks I can avoid taking weight[13:39:12] <JBurton> doh[13:39:16] <ahwayakchih> heh[13:39:18] <JBurton> that sentence was really borked[13:39:30] <ahwayakchih> :)[13:39:42] <ahwayakchih> that's probably becasue of hunger[13:39:45] <ahwayakchih> because[13:39:46] <JBurton> heh[13:39:47] <JBurton> true[13:39:56] <JBurton> btw I shouldn't have eaten that mard[13:39:58] <JBurton> mas[13:39:59] <JBurton> mars[13:40:00] <JBurton> :)[13:40:04] <ahwayakchih> :)[13:40:07] <ahwayakchih> why?[13:40:10] <JBurton> because now I'm REALLY hungry[13:40:11] <[Beta]> yeah, should've had a snickers :)[13:40:15] <ahwayakchih> it made You feel more hungry?[13:40:18] <JBurton> exactly[13:40:18] <JBurton> :P[13:40:20] <ahwayakchih> heh[13:40:24] *** slaad has quit IRC[13:40:26] <JBurton> in fact my head is turning around now[13:40:41] <JBurton> I don't know if I can drive home later :P[13:40:57] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] hmm You may be right - snickers has more energy in it than mars IIRC[13:41:09] <JBurton> I think I'll eat another one :P[13:41:14] <[Beta]> true, and less sickly imho[13:41:26] <JBurton> I'll eat a "kinder bueno" this time, though[13:41:41] <ahwayakchih> kinder bueno is good :)[13:41:57] <ahwayakchih> though i doubt it can remove hunger[13:42:09] <JBurton> it can :P[13:42:23] <JBurton> I usually ate very little[13:42:28] <[Beta]> "Really the reason the Mac succeeded was the people were passionate and brilliant and motivated and devoted their lives to it." .. might be nice to get a similiar quote in 10 years for Haiku[13:42:29] <JBurton> s/ate/eat[13:44:16] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] but that's not true - yeah, clients are passionated by Apple, but it's not because of brilliance, but because of very good commercial marketing, targetted properly, and not bad design[13:45:31] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] also it depends on what one understands under term of "succeeded" :)[13:45:41] <[Beta]> ;)[13:48:22] <JBurton> bye all[13:48:32] *** JBurton has quit IRC[13:56:43] <Lebuzzer> ahwayakchih Yakshemash[13:56:53] <ahwayakchih> hih> hi Lebuzzer[13:56:56] <Lebuzzer> hey there[13:57:29] * Lebuzzer 's only word in Polish, and he probably didn't even say it right. :-)[13:57:59] <ahwayakchih> hehe[13:58:27] <ahwayakchih> well it should be "Jak siê masz?" or "Jak sie masz?" (without polish letter)[13:58:35] <Lebuzzer> ah![13:58:38] <Lebuzzer> The answer is something like "dubja" isn't it?[13:59:14] <ahwayakchih> there can be a lot of answers, but short and simple would be "dobrze" :)[13:59:41] <Lebuzzer> dobrze means...what, like "good" ?[14:00:28] <ahwayakchih> in that case it's a bit similar to the tyical english lesson phrases: "How do You do? I'm fine, Thank You", than answer in polish is "dobrzen dziêkuje"[14:00:32] <ahwayakchih> Lebuzzer yes[14:00:49] <ahwayakchih> dobrzen=dobrze[14:01:01] <Lebuzzer> interesting[14:01:09] * Lebuzzer 's first Polish lesson[14:01:12] <ahwayakchih> hehe :)[14:01:48] <ahwayakchih> thing is You will rarely hear polish people answer "dobrze"[14:02:17] <ahwayakchih> we tend to give true (or at least sounding like truth) answer[14:02:43] <[Beta]> so dobrze is a fob off ?[14:02:48] <ahwayakchih> so currently You'll hear about sicknes, poverty, problems, etc.. ;][14:03:29] <Lebuzzer> At least that's honest.[14:03:35] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] no, it's just that we don't ask "what's up" if we don't want to know the answer[14:03:50] <Lebuzzer> ahwayakchih I really respect that.[14:03:57] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] and in english it's just a way to say more complete "hi"[14:04:02] <Lebuzzer> ahwayakchih Right.[14:04:12] <[Beta]> oic - same here, I dont ask if I dont want to know :)[14:04:27] <ahwayakchih> Lebuzzer :)[14:05:12] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] heh, well.. it's just a different way of understanding such question. we understand it as real question. english native speakers understand it as "hi" in a longer form[14:05:17] <[Beta]> so how are you ahwayakchih?[14:06:05] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] hehe, more or less ok, though my skull/head pains me - i was nokout (what's the word in english?) yesterday[14:06:12] <ahwayakchih> ih> i was-i got[14:06:17] <ahwayakchih> or something like that[14:06:23] <Lebuzzer> Wow, how did that happen ahwayakchih ?[14:06:25] <[Beta]> knocked out ? concussed?[14:07:30] <ahwayakchih> Lebuzzer i was on training, we had sparrings, and at teh end of training i had sparring with one of best there... small error in block and bam! i don't remember flying, just "waking up" on gound ;)[14:07:47] <Lebuzzer> ahwayakchih Woah, you box![14:08:18] * Lebuzzer makes a mental note not to get on ahwayakchih's bad side. :-)[14:08:18] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] that thing when one boxer hits another, and that second one looses "film" for some time[14:08:20] <[Beta]> lol, ouch ahway[14:08:31] <[Beta]> "K. O." :D[14:08:36] <ahwayakchih> Lebuzzer hehe, something like that :) it's not box, it's "KravMaga"[14:08:55] <Lebuzzer> heh[14:09:04] <Lebuzzer> ok, gotta be away for a bit... tty later![14:09:17] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] yeah :) it was very short for me (hit wasn't so strong) but i'm skinny, and i fell with short fly over ground ;)[14:09:37] <[Beta]> did you get up & fight again ?[14:09:47] <ahwayakchih> Lebuzzer ok, cya :)[14:10:01] <[Beta]> grr, why'd soo many comits happen in the last 24hours![14:10:07] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] well i tried, but they didn't let me[14:10:37] <[Beta]> prolly a good idea - you might not be here now if that happened.[14:10:40] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] and they had right, my head still hurts (though i don't have color changes on skin :)[14:10:49] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] yep[14:11:20] <[Beta]> should you be working at a PC, reading monitors ?[14:11:21] <ahwayakchih> ih> i can't even turn head fast, because it hurts ;)[14:12:10] <ahwayakchih> [Beta] nah, monitor shouldn't be bad[14:12:39] <[Beta]> 'k brb[14:19:03] <ahwayakchih> brb[14:19:32] *** Methe has quit IRC[14:23:30] *** MYOB has joined #haiku[14:24:51] <@mmu_man> plop[14:25:39] <ahwayakchih> re[14:25:41] <ahwayakchih> hih> hi mmu_man[14:29:04] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man do You know something about RTTI nad typeid()?[14:29:13] *** Racer__X has joined #haiku[14:29:34] <@mmu_man> not much[14:30:32] <ahwayakchih> ok, but maybe You know why typeid(some_class).name() doesn't return exact "some_class" name but also some "garbage" with it - like it didn't demangled name properly[14:31:46] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man searched through google and found some page that said that on *nix it should be "some_class" while on windows NT it will be "Class some_class", but none of examples included not demangled name :([14:33:15] <@mmu_man> [revol@patrick ~/devel]$ ./testrtti[14:33:16] <@mmu_man> class_name(bl) = 5BList[14:33:40] <@mmu_man> I guess nobody really tested it before[14:33:45] <ahwayakchih> yep, "wrong" name[14:33:58] <@mmu_man> it's not "garbage"[14:34:03] <@mmu_man> ti's the mangled name[14:34:10] <ahwayakchih> yes i know :)[14:34:40] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man but it's not "full" mangled name[14:34:47] <ahwayakchih> here's my test:[14:34:51] <ahwayakchih> printf("%s\n", typeid(Test()).name());[14:34:58] <ahwayakchih> Fv_4Test[14:35:05] <ahwayakchih> and now output from readelf[14:35:17] <ahwayakchih> 57: 00001110 76 FUNC WEAK DEFAULT 10 __tfFv_4Test[14:35:23] <ahwayakchih> 70: 00002628 8 OBJECT GLOBAL DEFAULT 19 __tiFv_4Test[14:35:27] <@mmu_man> nono[14:35:40] <ahwayakchih> 72: 00001110 76 FUNC WEAK DEFAULT 10 __tfFv_4Test[14:35:45] <ahwayakchih> 85: 00002628 8 OBJECT GLOBAL DEFAULT 19 __tiFv_4Test[14:35:46] <ahwayakchih> :)[14:36:07] <@mmu_man> Fv_4Test = Func ? void[14:36:11] <ahwayakchih> so it's not even full symbol name as it is in elf file[14:36:27] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man class Test looks like this:[14:36:31] <ahwayakchih> class Test[14:36:32] <ahwayakchih> {[14:36:34] <ahwayakchih> public:[14:36:35] <@mmu_man> the __ti symbol is the typeinfo for that func/class[14:36:38] <ahwayakchih> Test(){};[14:36:42] <ahwayakchih> ~Test(){};[14:36:43] <ahwayakchih> };[14:37:23] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man ah, ok. so i get mangled name of given object.[14:37:26] <@mmu_man> nm | c++filt[14:37:55] <ahwayakchih> 00001110 W __tfFv_4Test[14:38:02] <ahwayakchih> 00002628 B __tiFv_4Test[14:38:16] <@mmu_man> hmm bad c++filt :)[14:38:19] <ahwayakchih> :)[14:39:01] <ahwayakchih> ok, the one from gcc3.x worked:[14:39:02] <ahwayakchih> 00001110 W Test (void) type_info function[14:39:06] <ahwayakchih> 00002628 B Test (void) type_info node[14:39:18] <@mmu_man> oh w8[14:39:44] <@mmu_man> h no[14:39:53] <@mmu_man> same with r5 gcc[14:39:55] <ahwayakchih> anyway even if i build test using 3.x i get mabngled name instead of real class name[14:41:07] <ahwayakchih> only a bit different (but that's because of ABI changes probably :)[14:41:12] <@mmu_man> yes[14:41:13] <ahwayakchih> F4TestvE[14:41:14] <@mmu_man> well[14:41:25] <ahwayakchih> so something is not right in typeinfo[14:41:32] <ahwayakchih> for BeOS at least[14:41:34] <@mmu_man> in last resort /boot/develop/headers/be/devel/Unmangle.h:int demangle(const char *mangled_name,char *unmangled_name,size_t buffersize);[14:43:07] <ahwayakchih> heh, ok i'll try :)[14:43:14] <ahwayakchih> THX[14:43:28] <ahwayakchih> still it's a bug in typeinfo or somewhere else :([14:48:30] *** Potn has joined #haiku[14:49:23] *** MYOB has quit IRC[14:49:58] <@Korli> hmmm http://www.deleet.de/projekte/daap/daapd/[14:51:14] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man do You knwo in which lib demangle is located? because i get unresolved symbols ;( and lgrep didn't find it[14:51:43] <ahwayakchih> ah, ok, libdeve.a[14:51:50] <ahwayakchih> libdevel.a even[14:52:54] <ahwayakchih> unmandgled: Fv_4Test[14:52:55] <ahwayakchih> demangled:[14:52:56] <ahwayakchih> :([14:53:00] <ahwayakchih> doesn't work[14:53:51] <@mmu_man> Korli why don't they just use http ?[14:54:06] <@mmu_man> stupid to make one more proto just for that =)[14:54:20] <@mmu_man> but we already know apple is stupid[14:55:14] <ahwayakchih> char name[UNAME_SIZE+1];[14:55:20] <ahwayakchih> printf("unmandgled: %s\n", typeid(Test()).name());[14:55:24] <ahwayakchih> demangle(typeid(Test()).name(), name, UNAME_SIZE);[14:55:27] <ahwayakchih> printf("demangled: %s\n", name);[14:56:01] <ahwayakchih> doesn't work with 2.95.3 nor with 3.4.3 (but this one is expected to not work with old lib :)[15:01:31] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man have You seen this: http://www.sics.se/~adam/lwip/ ?[15:02:27] <mumu25> http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/05/01/12/0750227.shtml?tid=172&tid=215&tid=158[15:02:48] <[Beta]> grr, insanely small fonts[15:03:17] <@mmu_man> I know of http://www.csonline.net/bpaddock/tinytcp/default.htm[15:04:08] <@mmu_man> http://www.sics.se/~adam/contiki/tcpip.html[15:05:19] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man would it be possible to use any of them as replacement for net_server/-lnet/etc.. on r5?[15:08:07] <ahwayakchih> ih> i mean isntead of writing libsocket and similar stuff :)[15:08:47] <@mmu_man> quite useless[15:10:01] <ahwayakchih> why?[15:10:22] <ahwayakchih> it could give us not so buggy net_server :)[15:15:46] <ahwayakchih> ok, it doesn't implement sockets, right? it's still based on socket from OS[15:15:51] <ahwayakchih> ?[15:16:05] <ahwayakchih> or something like that[15:17:08] <CIA-5> bonefish * current/src/kits/storage/AppFileInfo.cpp: Removed old debugging output.[15:19:10] <CIA-5> bonefish * current/src/kits/storage/Node.cpp: Don't retry opening the node read-only, if opening read-write failed with B_ENTRY_NOT_FOUND.[15:20:18] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man does it need OS' sockets, or does it talk directly to driver?[15:21:17] <ahwayakchih> ih> i thought socket is already on top of tcp/ip[15:21:17] <CIA-5> bonefish * current/src/kits/storage/Query.cpp: Reverted the last change. As Axel informed me, rewinding queries will work under Haiku. Also check, whether the query was Fetch()ed already.[15:22:50] <CIA-5> bonefish * current/src/tests/kits/storage/QueryTest.cpp: Rewind()ing queries will work under Haiku, so check only for error under R5.[15:23:54] <@mmu_man> BSD socket are an abstraction on unix filesystem to use the network[15:23:59] <@mmu_man> there are other APIs[15:30:48] *** nano\ has quit IRC[15:31:08] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man so, in theory, we could port such stack and use it instead of r5 networking? or does stack need OS' "core" networking anyway?[15:31:24] *** MYOB has joined #haiku[15:31:31] <ahwayakchih> ih> i thought net_server is such stack and could be replaced[15:32:11] <@mmu_man> why bother about that[15:32:19] <@mmu_man> you can just use teh haiku one when it's finished[15:32:26] <@mmu_man> it will provide a replacement libnet for R5 apps[15:33:41] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man sure, "when it's finished" :)[15:34:30] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man also long time ago i've read that plan to release replacement was dropped, and new networking will be with haiku only[15:36:03] <CIA-5> bonefish * current/src/servers/registrar/Jamfile: Build the Haiku registrar (linked against our libroot and libbe). Haven't checked, if it works yet.[15:37:30] *** voidref has joined #haiku[15:37:30] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o voidref[15:39:14] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man do You know where dynamic linker is located in BeOS? i mean the one used by BeOS to launch executable[15:39:28] <@mmu_man> in the kernel[15:39:32] <ahwayakchih> ahwayakchih> ah :([15:39:38] <@mmu_man> no rld.so[15:40:13] <ahwayakchih> so if something's wrong with it we can't patch it and have to wait for Haiku :([15:43:11] <@mmu_man> what's wrong with it ?[15:43:13] <@mmu_man> :p[15:43:19] <w-ber> hehe. My friend just tried out several Linux distributions on his brand new 3.2 GHz amd64 and keeps complaining how none of them have any usable MP3 players, DivX players, drivers for his 3D hardware, how his mouse is quirky with and without acceleration, how all GUI's in Linux are pure crap, etc. etc.[15:43:35] <w-ber> too bad I can't recommend Haiku yet :)[15:43:42] <@mmu_man> (the linker doesn't know anything about rtti) it doesn't understand C++[15:43:53] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man well.. it doesn't accept some sections AFAIK[15:44:51] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man hmm so if some info about C++ object isn't loaded properly (throw can't catch object, just unknown) what is responsible for not loading symbols?[15:45:26] <ahwayakchih> w-ber well.. You can recommend BeOS as temporary solution :)[15:45:43] <w-ber> does R5 work on 64-bit Intel compatibles?[15:45:56] <w-ber> besides, he wants proper 3D support :/[15:45:57] <@mmu_man> takes it as 32 bit AFAIK[15:46:04] <ahwayakchih> w-ber i've read some people run it on amd64[15:46:09] <@mmu_man> well we have MESA :D[15:46:15] <w-ber> ahwayakchih: uh[15:46:16] <w-ber> mmu_man: uh[15:46:18] <ahwayakchih> w-ber ah, wll :([15:46:21] <ahwayakchih> well[15:46:22] <MYOB> it works on EMT64 systems such as the Athlon 64 and newest Xeon's[15:46:29] <w-ber> interesting[15:46:29] <MYOB> although in 32 bit modes and with 32 bit drivers[15:47:46] <ahwayakchih> cya everyone[15:47:52] *** ahwayakchih has quit IRC[15:52:16] *** Lebuzzer has quit IRC[16:06:24] *** dipp has joined #haiku[16:08:40] <@Korli> mmu_man what's current state of qemu beos port ?[16:09:06] <@mmu_man> Korli stopped on "bx spilled for class blah blah..."[16:09:17] <@mmu_man> oh yeah I have to try the latest oliver-gcc[16:09:20] <@Korli> did you retry with newer gcc ?[16:09:23] <@mmu_man> not yet[16:09:26] <@Korli> ok[16:09:27] <@mmu_man> where did I put it[16:25:05] <MYOB> bbl[16:25:06] *** MYOB has left #haiku[16:32:48] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC[16:41:09] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[16:54:03] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[17:04:16] *** emwe has quit IRC[17:04:42] *** voidref has quit IRC[17:06:09] *** emwe has joined #haiku[17:14:15] *** GNUStep_Me has joined #haiku[17:15:49] *** GNUStep_Me has quit IRC[17:16:55] *** MYOB has joined #haiku[17:18:15] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[17:20:28] *** emwe has quit IRC[17:22:48] *** emwe has joined #haiku[17:31:00] *** RageMax has joined #haiku[17:37:48] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[17:45:59] *** brennanos has joined #haiku[17:47:36] <brennanos> hello[17:50:15] <MYOB> hi[17:51:05] <brennanos> whats up[17:51:07] <brennanos> anything[17:51:08] <brennanos> ?[17:51:11] <w-ber> the sky[17:51:18] <brennanos> indeed[17:53:13] <dipp> are you sure?[17:53:25] * w-ber looks out of the window[17:53:25] <dipp> depends on where you live :P[17:53:27] <w-ber> yup, still there[17:54:06] <MYOB> "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!"[17:55:38] <w-ber> http://isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0022-pagefault.txt[17:55:39] <w-ber> funny bug[17:57:11] <MYOB> just on SMP boxen, dammit[17:58:38] *** ChatarraBeos has joined #haiku[17:58:59] *** Methe has joined #haiku[18:01:44] *** Lebuzzer has joined #haiku[18:08:26] *** thaflo has quit IRC[18:09:11] *** thaflo has joined #haiku[18:11:47] *** Lebuzzer has quit IRC[18:23:10] *** ChatarraBeos has quit IRC[18:23:59] <@Korli> bye[18:24:05] *** Korli has quit IRC[18:25:06] *** Begasus has quit IRC[18:27:36] *** Lt_Henry has joined #haiku[18:28:48] *** nPHYN1T3 has joined #haiku[18:30:16] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[18:30:34] <fyysik> hi q[18:30:56] <fyysik> h-a-i-k-u[18:32:05] *** MYOB has quit IRC[18:32:17] <Lt_Henry> :-D[18:33:42] <w-ber> "gimme high five!" is "gimme hi q!" now? :)[18:33:47] *** Potn has quit IRC[18:33:53] *** GNUStep_Me has joined #haiku[18:34:20] <GNUStep_Me> does anybody test NetworkKit?[18:35:02] *** thaflo has quit IRC[18:38:02] <fyysik> LOL - http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1749948,00.asp[18:38:21] <fyysik> trusted computing as is[18:38:50] *** tkack has joined #haiku[18:38:51] *** burnez has joined #haiku[18:40:37] <GNUStep_Me> right fyysik[18:42:08] *** ahwayakchih has joined #haiku[18:42:10] <ahwayakchih> re[18:42:23] <ahwayakchih> fyysik are You there? :)[18:43:28] <ahwayakchih> fyysik i have a question for which You may know answer (or not :)[18:43:55] <ahwayakchih> fyysik when i go to http://www.pengsheep.org/wiki/ using old firefox (0.9.2 IIRC) i get this warning at the top of page:[18:43:59] <ahwayakchih> lib/Request.php:299: Warning[2]: ob_start(): output handler 'ob_gzhandler' cannot be used after 'URL-Rewriter'[18:44:14] <ahwayakchih> but when i got there using Your new build of mozilla warning is not there[18:45:31] <ahwayakchih> do You know why it's like that? (i know it probably has nothing to do with bug in browser, but maybe You know what is different in those browsers which changes how php reacts on them)[18:46:13] <fyysik> here[18:46:21] <fyysik> just got idea of service[18:46:29] <fyysik> paid service[18:46:53] <fyysik> to set all those clocks, players. mobile phones and other gadgets for normal people[18:48:10] <ahwayakchih> fyysik hehe[18:48:26] <ahwayakchih> but it's not that bad if one doesn't have too many clocks :)[18:48:34] <fyysik> ahwayakchih - maybe default protocol settings are different? like HTTP1 versus 1.1, pilelining etc?[18:48:59] <fyysik> see, ahwayakchih, modern clocks work until first battery works[18:49:06] <fyysik> 1-3 years[18:49:32] <fyysik> all next batteries bought in shops and changed by self usually work 1-3 months[18:49:52] <fyysik> so anyway you have to change your clock very frequently[18:49:55] <fyysik> watch[18:50:45] <fyysik> and there are zillion of other gadgets in use. Each with own "interface", hehe[18:51:29] *** TuneTracker has joined #haiku[18:51:36] <ahwayakchih> heh[18:51:42] <fyysik> radical solution is Bluetooth or alike everywehere - "Windows found bike computer, installing driver. Do you wish to set it now?"[18:51:45] <ahwayakchih> well i don't have watch[18:51:56] <ahwayakchih> ih> i just use clock on comp, or on cellphone[18:52:03] *** tkack has quit IRC[18:52:18] <ahwayakchih> and on comp i set it by using ntp[18:52:21] <fyysik> cellphones are same problem, at least for bit older people[18:52:54] <ahwayakchih> yep, i wonder why cellphones don't have ntp built-in[18:53:12] <ahwayakchih> they communicate with provider from time to time anyway[18:53:18] <ahwayakchih> they could auto-update clock[18:53:23] <ahwayakchih> easly[18:53:48] <ahwayakchih> fyysik THX for answer about php warning[18:55:18] <fyysik> in Mozilla such setings are available in Preferences, in FF - via URI about:config[18:56:12] <ahwayakchih> ok[18:56:37] <ahwayakchih> BTW i couldn't make mozilla to handle find-while-type thing[18:57:46] <ahwayakchih> also it seems mozilla looses clicks not only when scrolling but even on simple button. i wonder if it may be because mozilla doesn't update/check which view is focused currently[18:58:48] <ahwayakchih> that would be a good answe for problem with find dialog (i can write something, hit ENTER to search, but when i want to change text i can't make it focus)[18:58:52] <fyysik> ahwayakchih - but maybe it is due Japanese Inline Patch applied[18:58:59] <fyysik> it interrogates in focus events[18:59:10] <ahwayakchih> once also url input field lost focus and i couldn't make it get it again[18:59:21] <fyysik> ahwayakchih - what you do usually to use find-as-you-type?[18:59:33] <fyysik> ahwayakchih - for that case is simple trick[18:59:38] <fyysik> Open New Window[18:59:49] <fyysik> then go back to window with lost focus[18:59:50] <ahwayakchih> fyysik i just hit "/" and type[19:00:34] <ahwayakchih> fyysik new indow (not tab, right)?[19:00:41] <ahwayakchih> indow=window[19:01:33] <fyysik> yup[19:01:36] <fyysik> new window[19:01:49] <ahwayakchih> ok, i opened new one and i'm at old one, what now?[19:02:00] <fyysik> this is again problem with multithreaded BeOS and single-threaded Mozilla[19:02:28] <ahwayakchih> ih> i mean i went back to old one :)[19:02:34] <fyysik> sometimes WindowActivate message and click/focus message or forced focus message reach core in wrong sequence[19:03:01] <fyysik> if you in old one, clicking in URL bar should set focus there again[19:03:18] <ahwayakchih> ok i have focus[19:04:00] *** GNUStep_Me has quit IRC[19:04:20] <tic> yum, gimme: http://www.uppsnappat.se/?url=news!read.jspx?newsID=7155[19:05:00] <ahwayakchih> fyysik as for type-ahead it depends: if i look for link i just start typying (of course not in url, but when "page" is focused), if i want text i hit "/" as first char[19:06:14] *** oOSidViciousOo has joined #haiku[19:07:04] *** burnez has quit IRC[19:08:45] <ahwayakchih> fyysik does type-ahead work for You with that build?[19:10:43] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[19:11:03] <fyysik> never used it[19:11:09] <fyysik> so cannot say[19:11:59] <ahwayakchih> fyysik BTW i almost forgot, i've recorder small movie which shows some rendering "bug" (not big bug biut still :) which i never noticed in older firefox build, i'm sending it through DCC[19:13:12] <ahwayakchih> fyysik it shows that moving mouse over link in one "part" of page, changes something in other, when it shouldn't[19:13:18] <ahwayakchih> it's on bebits page[19:14:30] <ahwayakchih> (moving mouse over "talkback comments" links on frontpage, sometimes changes subtilte of app on right in "latest software" list by moving it up/down by 1 pixel[19:14:39] <ahwayakchih> )[19:14:41] <fyysik> yup. experiments with clipping regions[19:14:44] <ahwayakchih> sorry for bad quality[19:15:00] <fyysik> this is why not all those speed patches are in main tree[19:15:14] <ahwayakchih> ahwayakchih> ah :)[19:15:38] <fyysik> worsest thing is mouse move effect over link on those iframes[19:16:12] <ahwayakchih> ?[19:16:25] <fyysik> if you use original version of libwidget[19:16:38] <fyysik> you will see that after scrolling there and back[19:16:56] <ahwayakchih> (can You try to open some page and start typing while page is focused? it should highlight found part of word if type-ahead works)[19:16:58] <fyysik> mouse move over som links near to iframe banners[19:17:03] *** oOSidViciousOo is now known as Fanskapet[19:17:19] <fyysik> can sometimes "wipe out" some parts of those images[19:17:29] <ahwayakchih> oh, that's bad :([19:17:57] <fyysik> this is all that mess between mozilla's parents/children and BeOS native "siblings"[19:17:59] *** burnez has joined #haiku[19:18:05] <fyysik> as i told you yesterday[19:18:45] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC[19:18:52] *** Fanskapet has joined #haiku[19:19:01] <ahwayakchih> :([19:19:49] <ahwayakchih> argh... scrollbar just "missed" mouseup again - and i had mouse over it all the time[19:24:55] <fyysik> heh, there is standard mozilla build for netserver avalable - 1.8a5[19:26:01] <ahwayakchih> fyysik another thing with mouseclick/focus: sometimes when i open preferences and click to change default homepage, it "selects" that radio-button option as active item (focused), but doesn't select it (as in "this option will be used now")[19:26:24] <ahwayakchih> nah standard is probably much worse :)[19:26:47] *** burnez has left #haiku[19:27:12] <fyysik> just slower[19:27:14] <ahwayakchih> so far this one didn't crash yet, or freeze my BeOS, so it's not so bad ;)[19:29:17] *** ChatarraBeos has joined #haiku[19:30:06] <ahwayakchih> fyysik besides if i used standard i would have no one to whine about it's bugs ;)[19:31:36] <fyysik> ahwayakchih - actually, all those bugs you described are quite situative. I mean that i change it for others every day, when working and experimenting with libwidget. So i may supply you with new libwiget each time, when i think that new bugs are worth estimation:)[19:32:19] <fyysik> my personal libgfx source is quite stable for now:)[19:32:38] <ahwayakchih> fyysik heh, ok - i have it installed anyway so i can test things from time to time :)[19:33:28] <fyysik> yesterday i "killed" libwidget for example. Introduced something which i can fix and restore previous situation, inspite i think i removed all new methods:)[19:33:43] <fyysik> ik> i "cannot" fix[19:33:56] <ahwayakchih> heh[19:35:26] *** Korli has joined #haiku[19:35:27] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Korli[19:35:34] *** BeMonni has quit IRC[19:37:12] <fyysik> hi Korli[19:37:39] <@Korli> hey fyysik[19:39:26] *** Lt_Henry has quit IRC[19:39:39] <fyysik> ahwayakchih - only bad thing is that you use R5netserver, not R5bone:)[19:40:00] <ahwayakchih> fyysik :)[19:41:59] <fyysik> ik> i discoverd that printing in BeOS totally sucks under netserver too, so no reason to use it anymore at all[19:42:16] <ahwayakchih> ;][19:42:43] <fyysik> bit longer cable, expensive, btw, which excellently works in Windoze and Linux - and cannot print with it in BeOS[19:42:53] <fyysik> only with very short cable[19:43:00] *** tqh has joined #haiku[19:43:19] <fyysik> dunno what actually sux, parallel port driver or transport add-on[19:43:33] <fyysik> and wondering if it is better with USB printers[19:43:35] <TuneTracker> ahwayakchih What is the keystroke to save a setting in Alfprefs?[19:43:45] <TuneTracker> ahwayakchih I always forget that.[19:43:59] <TuneTracker> ah, ctrl-s[19:44:01] <TuneTracker> got it[19:44:05] <ahwayakchih> fyysik hehe, that's weird - probably some timing issue?[19:44:14] <ahwayakchih> TuneTracker yes :)[19:44:20] <TuneTracker> Good thanks[19:44:21] <ahwayakchih> TuneTracker standard "save" shortcut :)[19:44:28] <TuneTracker> yep[19:44:46] <fyysik> ahwayakchih - that's normal for BeOS. Read zillion complaints about such things. As result, some users are sure that printing don't work at all in BeOS[19:45:19] <ahwayakchih> fyysik :([19:45:59] <fyysik> so interested if Haiku print Kit includes any of those components already[19:46:34] <TuneTracker> ahwayakchih oops, something's not working...got a sec?[19:46:49] <ahwayakchih> TuneTracker sure[19:47:03] <TuneTracker> ooh, wait, checking something...[19:47:29] <TuneTracker> darn... phone[19:47:36] <ahwayakchih> :)[19:50:03] <TuneTracker> ahwayakchih Ok, everything looks right, but nothing is happening...I'll tell you how I'm set up...[19:50:28] <ahwayakchih> ok[19:51:23] <TuneTracker> I have a script called SetNewsAttr that is supposed to run whenever files arrive or are updated in a particular folder. I dragged that folder into AlfPrefs2, set it active, and set the mimetype as audio x-mpeg. I set the command that should be launched as "/boot/home/config/bin/SetNewsAttr" But it doesn't appear to be launched when files arrive in the folder.[19:51:53] <TuneTracker> haha[19:51:59] <TuneTracker> wait a sec...that time it worked...[19:52:09] <TuneTracker> When I copied a new file in, it worked.[19:52:18] <TuneTracker> Now trying FTP'ing in a change to an existing file...[19:53:06] <ahwayakchih> hmm[19:53:10] <ahwayakchih> and when it didn't work?[19:53:37] *** Dr_Rock has joined #haiku[19:54:08] <TuneTracker> ahwayakchih It doesn't work when a file is FTP'ed into the folder, replacing a file of the same name.[19:54:47] <AnEvilYak> presumably the folder's being node monitored?[19:54:51] <ahwayakchih> TuneTracker ah.. yes, it will nto work because it doesn't watch for existing files. IIRC You had similar problem some time ago[19:55:01] <AnEvilYak> replacing a file will broadcast I believe B_STAT_CHANGED[19:55:23] <AnEvilYak> deleting the file via ftp and then uploading it would theoretically work...[19:55:28] <AnEvilYak> except an ftp upload isn't going to be mimetyped.[19:55:32] <TuneTracker> ahwayakchih If I copy the files to another folder, then copy them back in over the top, that works.[19:55:34] <AnEvilYak> so watching for x-mpeg is going to fail there.[19:55:47] <TuneTracker> Ok, I'll just have my download script delete the olde ones.[19:55:58] <ahwayakchih> AnEvilYak i know, but it watches only forlder, not files inside, so B_STAT_CHANGED will work only for folder itself :)[19:56:08] <TuneTracker> hehe...oh, wait a sec...[19:56:12] <TuneTracker> I think I know the problem...[19:56:18] <ahwayakchih> AnEvilYak as for mime... that's the whole point of this app to make it available :)[19:56:33] <AnEvilYak> ahwayakchih: ah.[19:56:48] <AnEvilYak> ahwayakchih: I thought the app was just a generic way to hook into the node monitors or something, not actually used it[19:56:53] <ahwayakchih> TuneTracker yes moving it outside and back works, because then folder is notified about change[19:57:49] <ahwayakchih> AnEvilYak no, it uses note monitoring to watch certainf folder for changes (new files created/put in it)[19:57:59] *** tkack has joined #haiku[19:58:11] <ahwayakchih> note=node[19:58:18] *** Dr_Rock has quit IRC[19:58:37] <AnEvilYak> okey[19:59:04] <ahwayakchih> ih> i plan to add option so watch all files inside, but that's for later[19:59:05] <ahwayakchih> :)[19:59:52] <TuneTracker> ahwayakchih Ok, that's got it.[19:59:56] <TuneTracker> ahwayakchih thanks much![20:00:12] <AnEvilYak> ahwayakchih: depending on the size of the folder you might need an undocumented call to increase your node monitor count in that case[20:00:14] <ahwayakchih> TuneTracker no problem :)[20:00:29] <ahwayakchih> AnEvilYak yep i know :) it's used in OpenTracker :)[20:01:07] * AnEvilYak nods[20:01:10] <AnEvilYak> indeed.[20:01:27] <ahwayakchih> _kset_mon_limit_ :)[20:01:38] <ahwayakchih> and _kset_fd_limit_ if i want open more files at once :)[20:01:50] * AnEvilYak nods.[20:09:59] *** Dr_Evil_ has joined #haiku[20:11:24] *** NathanW has joined #haiku[20:14:06] *** DaaT has joined #haiku[20:15:38] *** Konrad has quit IRC[20:16:28] *** Dr_Evil has quit IRC[20:19:07] *** Potn has joined #haiku[20:19:44] <@AndrewBachmann> ahwayakchih[20:19:57] <ahwayakchih> hih> hi AndrewBachmann[20:20:07] <@AndrewBachmann> did you get your typeinfo issues resolve[20:20:08] <@AndrewBachmann> drewBachmann> d[20:20:15] <ahwayakchih> AndrewBachmann nope :([20:20:30] <@AndrewBachmann> you know that the name that comes back from that is not required to be human readable, right?[20:21:08] <@AndrewBachmann> btw, there is a demangle add on for the debugger that you might be able to link to[20:21:12] <ahwayakchih> well i didn't know, i though it must be human readable as it's what i saw on web in examples :([20:21:27] *** Korli has quit IRC[20:21:46] <ahwayakchih> AndrewBachmann mmu_man told me about unmangle() function but it didn't work at all (it created empty string)[20:22:01] <ahwayakchih> unmangle=demangle in Unmangle.h[20:22:13] <@AndrewBachmann> are you sure you got the arguments in the right order and all?[20:22:21] <ahwayakchih> wait a sec[20:22:38] <ahwayakchih> char name[UNAME_SIZE+1];[20:22:42] <ahwayakchih> printf("unmandgled: %s\n", typeid(Test()).name());[20:22:47] <ahwayakchih> demangle(typeid(Test()).name(), name, UNAME_SIZE);[20:22:51] <ahwayakchih> printf("demangled: %s\n", name);[20:23:12] <Dr_Evil_> wrong parameter order?[20:23:25] <Dr_Evil_> in demangle?[20:23:31] <ahwayakchih> and in header first arg is named "mangled_name" so i guess i called it correctly[20:24:36] <ahwayakchih> AndrewBachmann i don't know why it returned empty string :([20:26:15] <@AndrewBachmann> hmann> hm I don't know[20:27:58] *** GNUStep_Me has joined #haiku[20:28:05] *** GNUStep_Me has quit IRC[20:30:42] <ahwayakchih> Dr_Evil_ are You sure it's wrong? hmm... i may try other way around[20:31:57] <Dr_Evil_> I dont knwo[20:32:21] <Dr_Evil_> normally, in most posix functions, its the other way round[20:32:28] <ahwayakchih> hmm first is "const char" so i gues i called it right with first arg being typeid name[20:32:35] <Dr_Evil_> yes[20:33:01] <ahwayakchih> Dr_Evil_ i'm not sure if demangle is posix (at least this one it's among "Be" headers)[20:33:03] <@AndrewBachmann> the prototype could be wrong[20:34:33] <ahwayakchih> well...[20:34:42] <ahwayakchih> with demangle((const char*)name,(char*)typeid(Test()).name(), UNAME_SIZE); it didn't work anyway[20:34:43] <ahwayakchih> :)[20:36:08] <@AndrewBachmann> try feeding demangle some mangled symbols from nm[20:36:30] <ahwayakchih> ok[20:42:28] *** sys2 has joined #haiku[20:46:00] <ahwayakchih> AndrewBachmann demangle("__tiFv_4Test", name, UNAME_SIZE); didn't work also[20:49:33] <@AndrewBachmann> which compiler?[20:50:45] <ahwayakchih> 2.95.3[20:50:53] <ahwayakchih> and 3.4.3[20:51:01] <@AndrewBachmann> hmann> hm[20:56:00] <Dr_Evil_> did you link to the correct library?[20:56:08] <AnEvilYak> is this the one in Dano perchance?[20:56:31] <ahwayakchih> Dr_Evil_ i used libdevel.a otherwise i got unresolved symbol[20:56:38] <ahwayakchih> AnEvilYak nope, r5 net_server[20:56:39] <Dr_Evil_> ok[20:56:47] <AnEvilYak> interesting, didn't think that header was there in R5.[20:57:01] <ahwayakchih> it's in be/devel/[20:57:29] <AnEvilYak> right[20:58:07] *** thies has quit IRC[20:59:24] *** thies has joined #haiku[21:04:53] *** tkack has quit IRC[21:12:23] *** fyysik has quit IRC[21:20:51] *** brennanos has quit IRC[21:23:30] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[21:27:35] *** frankps has joined #haiku[21:33:33] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[21:35:45] *** xeD has joined #haiku[21:41:58] *** lordcoxis has joined #haiku[21:43:33] *** Potn has quit IRC[21:44:03] *** thaflo has joined #haiku[21:44:11] *** Potn has joined #haiku[21:52:42] *** burnez has joined #haiku[21:55:40] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[21:55:45] *** burnez has quit IRC[21:56:30] <ahwayakchih> good night everyone[21:56:36] *** ahwayakchih has quit IRC[22:03:37] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[22:03:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[22:04:44] <CIA-5> rudolfc * current/src/add-ons/accelerants/nvidia/engine/nv_acc_dma.c: added more DMA programming: cmd buffer and FIFO setup.[22:05:29] <DaaT> rudolf rules[22:05:59] *** xeD has quit IRC[22:06:59] <w-ber> DNA programming[22:07:13] <w-ber> almost like voodoo programming[22:08:08] <tic> although it did say "DMA" (Direct Memory Access)[22:08:21] <w-ber> yes, I noticed[22:08:22] <DaaT> just a typo i'm sure :)[22:08:32] <tic> Hrm. Didn't think that far. :P[22:08:35] <w-ber> my efforts in being funny are constantly misunderstood by everyone else[22:08:51] <DaaT> worry not w-ber[22:09:07] <w-ber> well, I think it's fair to note also DMA programming is difficult :)[22:09:18] <DaaT> bah, child's play[22:09:20] *** oco has joined #haiku[22:09:43] <w-ber> given easy enough hardware I'm sure it is[22:10:21] <Procton> would it be comforting if we laughed at you instead of with you, w-ber? ;)[22:10:54] <DaaT> ah here's Procton with his witty (he thinks) remarks[22:10:55] <DaaT> :P[22:10:58] <w-ber> well, at least it would have been laugh...[22:11:47] <w-ber> any idea when the Haiku team will be pondering internationalization?[22:11:56] <w-ber> I'd love to translate the entire system to Finnish[22:12:11] *** illissius has joined #haiku[22:12:55] <DaaT> <procton joke> why not start from the beginning? </procton joke>[22:13:11] <Procton> I'd love to translate it to portuguese.[22:13:19] * Procton smacks DaaT.[22:14:09] <DaaT> i'd love to watch you do it[22:14:13] <DaaT> then laugh at the result :)[22:14:33] <w-ber> you don't even know Finnish, how would you be able to differentiate bad Finnish from good? :)[22:15:28] <DaaT> who said anything about doing that? :)[22:15:48] <w-ber> how are you able to laugh at the result unless you know whether it's a good translation or not?[22:15:57] * w-ber thinks DaaT thinks he's being funny[22:16:13] <Procton> I never said I'd expected a good result, DaaT. Actually, the result is not even interesting since I don't know Portuguese.[22:16:45] <DaaT> w-ber, i know i'm not being funny, that's the funny in it :D[22:16:58] <w-ber> don't try that reverse psychology on me[22:17:01] <DaaT> true Procton, true...[22:17:11] <w-ber> maybe I'll just download the CVS and start translating every string[22:17:14] <DaaT> w-ber, what reverse psychology? I'm not trying reverse psychology on you[22:17:28] <w-ber> DaaT: see? No-one understands my humour[22:17:29] *** Lt_Henry has joined #haiku[22:17:46] <w-ber> maybe I'm being too subtle[22:17:46] <DaaT> which part? The reverse one or the string one?[22:18:04] <DaaT> maybe just not funny, like me? :)[22:18:22] <w-ber> maybe so :)[22:18:45] <DaaT> join the club :) Procton and I are founding members[22:19:05] <w-ber> the Misunderstood Comics' Club?[22:19:44] <DaaT> also named "the not funny comic's club"[22:19:45] <Procton> I've never made any comics.[22:19:51] <DaaT> exactly[22:24:59] *** pst has joined #haiku[22:26:10] *** lordcoxis has quit IRC[22:28:45] *** tqh has quit IRC[22:30:39] *** nPHYN1T3 has quit IRC[22:37:00] *** frankps has quit IRC[22:39:35] *** frankps has joined #haiku[22:43:17] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[22:44:17] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[22:46:55] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[22:49:18] *** thies_ has joined #haiku[22:50:16] *** thies has quit IRC[22:50:28] *** thies_ is now known as thies[23:00:59] *** illissius has quit IRC[23:07:09] *** emwe has quit IRC[23:08:44] *** Korli has joined #haiku[23:08:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Korli[23:17:35] *** dipp has quit IRC[23:25:02] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[23:28:39] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[23:36:25] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[23:42:11] *** frankps has left #haiku[23:44:40] *** thaflo has quit IRC[23:57:55] <CIA-5> korli * current/src/tests/servers/input/msgspy/MsgSpy.cpp: added some known messages codes