January 11, 2005 
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January 11, 2005 [00:01:10] *** Racer__X has quit IRC[00:04:01] <@mmu_man> GNUStep_Me just a matter of setting the app flags as background app[00:05:26] <GNUStep_Me> ok, mmu_man...but why the build thre got plugins for media_addons? never saw this directory on beos?[00:06:25] <@mmu_man> GNUStep_Me cause the API changed for decoders, extractors, ...[00:06:38] <@mmu_man> so Andrew chose to use another dir for those[00:06:50] <@mmu_man> it might be changed back someday, dunno[00:09:42] *** frankps has quit IRC[00:10:38] <GNUStep_Me> AndrewBachmann, do the plugins working when I move them to /boot/home/config/add-ons/media/decoder?[00:11:15] *** Begasus has quit IRC[00:12:55] *** kr1stof has joined #haiku[00:13:05] <@Korli> GNUStep_Me you should symlink distro plugin directory in your media addons config directory[00:14:12] <GNUStep_Me> Korli, my config media addon is clean...[00:14:17] <GNUStep_Me> I can copy..[00:14:28] *** axeld has joined #haiku[00:14:28] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o axeld[00:14:58] <fyysik> hi axeld[00:15:05] <@axeld> Hi fyysik![00:15:07] <GNUStep_Me> Korli; how can I figure out wich plugin is used?[00:16:00] <@mmu_man> hey axeld[00:16:08] *** lordcoxis has quit IRC[00:16:19] <@axeld> Hi mmu_man![00:16:29] <@mmu_man> out of teh basement?[00:17:02] <@mmu_man> hmm I have oliver's gcc as default...[00:17:11] <@mmu_man> let's try and build qemu[00:17:43] *** liquidboy has left #haiku[00:18:45] <@axeld> mmu_man: good luck, that would still be great to have :-)[00:19:45] <@mmu_man> iI was realy stuck at those BX spilled for general regs things ...[00:19:49] <@mmu_man> soit might really help there[00:20:22] *** GNUStep_Me has quit IRC[00:21:30] <@mmu_man> hmm what were the configure opts I gave it[00:21:36] <@mmu_man> I should have noted that down[00:24:33] <@mmu_man> ok that should make it[00:24:35] <@mmu_man> PATH="$PATH":/boot/develop/tools/gnupro-orig/bin CFLAGS=-O0 ./configure --prefix=/boot/apps/QEmu[00:24:43] *** GNUStep_Me has joined #haiku[00:24:51] <@mmu_man> hm interp-prefix is bad[00:25:07] <@axeld> Hi GNUStep_Me (in case you're Andreas at least) ;-))[00:25:27] <GNUStep_Me> Yes it is me axeld.[00:25:37] <@axeld> GNUStep_Me: How's it going?[00:26:06] <GNUStep_Me> not good at work...if you meaning that.[00:26:16] <@mmu_man> funny Fabrice even got the cpu detection right, including BePC :)[00:26:25] <@mmu_man> (Be really had a bad idea there :^)[00:26:36] <@axeld> GNUStep_Me: so you're still there?[00:26:50] <@mmu_man> apply at yT :)[00:26:52] <@axeld> mmu_man: what do you mean?[00:26:59] <GNUStep_Me> yes I'm.[00:27:17] <@mmu_man> which line ?[00:27:19] <@mmu_man> PATH="$PATH":/boot/develop/tools/gnupro-orig/bin CFLAGS=-O0 ./configure --prefix=/boot/apps/QEmu --interp-prefix=/boot/apps/QEmu/interp/qemu-M[00:27:38] <@mmu_man> hmm that was supposed to end up with %M[00:28:31] <@mmu_man> crap it wants realpath[00:30:12] <@axeld> mmu_man: Dano/Zeta has realpath[00:30:43] <@mmu_man> yep, not R5[00:30:59] <@mmu_man> hmm thought I had that in moreposix[00:31:17] <@mmu_man> hmm I do[00:31:46] *** fyysik has quit IRC[00:33:17] <@axeld> mmu_man: you're on R5 now?[00:33:17] <@mmu_man> crap[00:33:18] <@mmu_man> PATH="$PATH":/boot/develop/tools/gnupro-orig/bin ./configure --prefix=/boot/apps/QEmu --interp-prefix=/boot/apps/QEmu/interp/qemu-%M --extra-cflags='-O0 -DNO_UNIX_SOCKETS=1' --extra-ldflags='-L/boot/home/config/lib' --extra-libs='-lmoreposix'[00:33:26] <@mmu_man> it doesn't use the extra lib[00:35:19] <@mmu_man> wtf[00:35:26] <@mmu_man> config-host.mak has them right[00:35:29] <@mmu_man> Makefile includes it[00:36:08] <@mmu_man> include config-host.mak[00:36:08] <@mmu_man> Jan 10 23:36:08 <@mmu_man>[00:36:09] <@mmu_man> CFLAGS=-Wall -O2 -g[00:36:18] <@mmu_man> so much for --extra-cflags =))[00:37:26] <@mmu_man> much better now =)[00:38:45] <@mmu_man> ... compiling ...[00:38:49] <@mmu_man> ... patience ... :D[00:39:42] <@mmu_man> hmm :-([00:39:44] <@mmu_man> /Devel/qemu-0.6.0/softmmu_header.h:125: Invalid `asm' statement:[00:39:44] <@mmu_man> /Devel/qemu-0.6.0/softmmu_header.h:125: fixed or forbidden register 0 (ax) was spilled for class GENERAL_REGS.[00:40:00] <@mmu_man> I'll make a diff and send that to oliver I guess[00:40:24] <@mmu_man> gcc version 2.95.3-beos-041111[00:40:31] <@mmu_man> is there a newer I could try ?[00:42:54] <@axeld> mmu_man: yes 041202 is the latest[00:43:14] <Dr_Evil_> btw I failed to compile the compiler[00:43:35] <Dr_Evil_> I followed the instructions and used zeta rc4 sp1[00:45:15] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[00:48:33] *** dipp has quit IRC[00:48:41] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[00:49:44] *** Lebuzzer has quit IRC[00:51:46] <@mmu_man> axeld tried googlefs ?[00:52:08] <@mmu_man> http://clapcrest.free.fr/revol/beos/googlefs-test-bin.zip[00:52:24] <@axeld> mmu_man: didn't notice that you've released it already[00:52:24] <@mmu_man> I shall write a paper about that[00:52:34] <@mmu_man> well it's not official[00:52:44] <@mmu_man> req bone[00:52:50] <@axeld> ah, okay[00:52:55] <@axeld> mmu_man: but you could release it for Dano[00:53:00] <@axeld> Err Zeta :)[00:53:03] <@mmu_man> it should compile with ksocketd though since I use a copatibility header[00:53:10] * mmu_man slaps axeld :D[00:53:13] <@mmu_man> probably[00:53:39] <@mmu_man> I just need an SVG icon for the volume[00:53:42] <@mmu_man> :)[00:53:56] <@mmu_man> btw it works nice with Ingo's userlandfs[00:54:01] <@mmu_man> included addon[00:54:06] <@mmu_man> with debug on though[00:54:19] <@axeld> cool[00:54:22] <@mmu_man> compiles out ofthe box using that compat header :)[00:54:26] <@mmu_man> for socket stuff[00:54:38] <@mmu_man> make -f makefile.ufs[00:58:59] *** TuneTracker has joined #haiku[01:01:26] *** TuneTracker has quit IRC[01:04:43] <@mmu_man> axeld btw there is an AFFS for linux, want one ?[01:04:49] <@mmu_man> amiga ffs[01:05:00] <@mmu_man> :)[01:05:25] <@axeld> mmu_man: Not necessary, we already have support for that in the boot loader, and it will be tons easier to make that into a real file system than to port the one from linux[01:05:32] <@axeld> Also, Amiga FFS sucks :-)[01:05:43] <@axeld> (but is very easy to implement :-))[01:05:54] <@mmu_man> :))[01:07:53] <@axeld> mmu_man: it's because our Amiga FFS is written in C++ ;-P[01:08:10] <@mmu_man> shrug[01:08:18] <@mmu_man> you really want me to get a heart attack :p[01:08:25] <@mmu_man> no C++ in googlefs thank god :)[01:08:26] <@mmu_man> [revol@patrick ~]$ query -a 'sys:user:uid>-1'[01:08:26] <@mmu_man> /R5/beos/etc/user/root[01:08:27] <@mmu_man> /R5/beos/etc/user/revol[01:08:28] <@mmu_man> /R5/beos/etc/user/mmu[01:08:30] <@mmu_man> hmm :)[01:10:00] <@mmu_man> that's what R5 actually does when you export MULTIUSER=true[01:10:40] <@mmu_man> wonder why they threw that out for bone to replace it with a hardcoded file[01:10:43] * Dr_Evil_ dispatches 14000 packets/sec using C++ virtual function calls[01:11:01] <@mmu_man> the number isn't interesting[01:11:14] <@mmu_man> all that matters is is it fast enough for what you do ?[01:11:38] <Dr_Evil_> very fast, but I'll do a different concept now[01:12:01] <Dr_Evil_> now that I know which PIDs I need to filter[01:14:12] *** JBurton has quit IRC[01:14:48] * GNUStep_Me ok guys I go to bed....[01:14:53] <@mmu_man> so tried googlefs ?[01:15:01] <@mmu_man> hopefully it won't KDL :D[01:16:00] *** khorben has quit IRC[01:16:34] <@axeld> Night GNUStep_Me[01:16:48] <GNUStep_Me> night...[01:16:56] *** GNUStep_Me has quit IRC[01:18:31] <@mmu_man> [revol@patrick ~/devel/drivers/googlefs]$ imlucky 'haiku beos'[01:18:32] <@mmu_man> /google/haiku beos/haiku-os.tk : string : http://www.openbeos.org/[01:18:56] <@Korli> mmu_man maybe you could try latest[01:19:26] <@Korli> sorry i'm late at reading[01:19:33] <@mmu_man> ?[01:19:49] <@mmu_man> don't I have latest ?[01:20:02] <@mmu_man> gcc version 2.95.3-beos-041111[01:20:16] *** thies_ is now known as thies[01:20:25] <@Korli> no[01:20:32] <@Korli> there is a 1202[01:21:05] <@mmu_man> ahhh[01:21:08] <@mmu_man> url ?[01:21:21] <@mmu_man> that's why I opened a window on bebits =)[01:21:52] <@Korli> on bebits[01:22:43] <@mmu_man> ok the first entry is gcc3[01:22:52] <@mmu_man> I guess I'll try that tomorrow[01:24:00] *** mmadia has quit IRC[01:35:32] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[01:36:33] *** Bryan_W has joined #haiku[01:38:22] *** Lebuzzer has joined #haiku[01:45:39] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[01:48:01] *** dipp has joined #haiku[01:54:13] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[01:56:15] *** Korli has quit IRC[02:12:41] *** Lebuzzer has quit IRC[02:12:51] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[02:14:10] *** mmadia has quit IRC[02:22:28] *** fyysik has quit IRC[02:25:44] *** Lebuzzer has joined #haiku[02:26:29] *** dipp has quit IRC[02:31:12] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[02:34:07] *** axeld has quit IRC[03:03:51] *** RageMax has quit IRC[03:18:47] *** RageMax has joined #haiku[03:28:17] *** voidref has quit IRC[03:30:15] *** YNOP has quit IRC[03:31:04] *** YNOP has joined #haiku[03:34:26] *** voidref has joined #haiku[03:34:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o voidref[04:13:50] <@AndrewBachmann> hi voidref[04:13:58] * AndrewBachmann just got a SideKick 2[04:14:04] <@AndrewBachmann> it has geist's name in the credits[04:14:05] <@AndrewBachmann> heh[04:22:28] *** YNOP has quit IRC[04:24:15] <geist> hah[04:24:19] * geist goes home[04:25:48] *** YNOP has joined #haiku[04:27:22] *** Bryan_W has quit IRC[04:30:51] *** illissius- has joined #haiku[04:38:54] *** illissius has quit IRC[04:43:59] *** Sikosis has quit IRC[04:50:29] *** Lebuzzer has quit IRC[05:15:51] *** liquidboy has joined #haiku[05:17:24] *** brennanOS has joined #haiku[05:38:08] *** slaad has quit IRC[05:48:36] <NathanW> mmadia[05:48:50] <mmadia> yes NathanW?[05:49:05] <NathanW> did you get gmail working?[05:50:17] <mmadia> not yet.. i tried the different combinations of authentication methods ( none, ESMTP, pop3 before smtp). ssl was selectable on the smtp preference section.[05:51:31] <NathanW> yeah[05:51:34] <NathanW> I saw your config[05:51:45] <NathanW> You know there's no @gmail.com, right?[05:52:04] <mmadia> ....[05:52:20] <mmadia> i'll reboot into that partition and check[05:52:36] *** NathanW_6 has joined #haiku[05:52:50] *** mmadia has quit IRC[05:55:13] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[05:55:53] <NathanW_6> any luck, mmadia?[05:55:57] <mmadia> :([05:56:03] <NathanW_6> &^&%&*%&%[05:56:22] <NathanW_6> I have my gmail account set up and working perfectly[05:56:22] <mmadia> smpt.gmail.com:587 , u: mattmadia, p:* , connection type ssl, auth method: ESMTP[05:56:31] <NathanW_6> right[05:56:43] <NathanW_6> inbound pop.gmail.com, blah blah[05:56:48] <mmadia> haha! pop3 before smtp seemed to have worked.[05:56:55] <NathanW_6> really?[05:56:56] <NathanW_6> weird[05:57:01] <NathanW_6> well, whatever[05:57:05] <NathanW_6> I'm glad it works :)[05:57:37] <NathanW_6> oh, and IPv6 is awesome[05:57:38] <mmadia> oh, no....[05:57:42] <NathanW_6> I wish BeOS had support[05:57:43] <NathanW_6> what?[05:58:03] <mmadia> i'm a tool... had the status log window minimized[05:58:32] <NathanW> haha[05:58:49] <NathanW> you turned on POP3 in Gmail's preferences, right?[05:59:08] <mmadia> as opposed to IMAP? yes.[05:59:17] <mmadia> receiving works. just not sending.[05:59:52] <NathanW> bizarre[06:00:06] <NathanW> What's the error?[06:00:26] <mmadia> GMail: Could not connect to SMTP server smtp.gmail.com:587. (SSL Connection Error) [Tue Jan 11 00:08:41 2005][06:00:34] <mmadia> GMail: An error occurred while sending the message test from gmail to <mattmadia at fuckmicrosoft dot com>:[06:00:36] <mmadia> Cannot load POP3 add-on [Tue Jan 11 00:08:41 2005][06:00:46] <NathanW_6> huh[06:00:51] <NathanW_6> SSL Connection Error?[06:00:54] <NathanW_6> That's just weird[06:01:19] <NathanW_6> That means OpenSSL is misbehaving[06:01:21] <mmadia> yeah, i manage to get all the weird bugs :-)[06:01:34] <NathanW_6> It says that when the SSL negotiation fails[06:01:44] <NathanW_6> ohhhh....[06:01:51] <NathanW_6> Do you have a /dev/random?[06:02:15] <NathanW_6> I just realized that the version of OpenSSL I put in there is the one that comes with BeOS Apache[06:02:19] <mmadia> making sure.[06:03:06] <mmadia> yes, ~/config/...../drivers/bin/random[06:03:13] <NathanW_6> Huh[06:03:15] <NathanW_6> I don't know[06:03:33] <NathanW_6> And that doesn't make any sense, since the POP3 module is linked to the same library[06:03:40] <NathanW_6> I don't understand[06:03:45] <NathanW_6> At all[06:03:49] <NathanW_6> Are you using BONE?[06:03:53] <mmadia> sorry, i mean. yes i've random. located in /boot/home/config/add-ons/kernel/drivers/bin and /dev[06:03:55] <mmadia> yes.[06:04:02] <NathanW_6> Huh[06:04:11] <NathanW_6> I was trying to come up with some configuration difference[06:04:22] <NathanW_6> I have no idea what's going on[06:04:51] <mmadia> maybe i need more than your SMTP file that you dcc'd me?[06:05:09] <NathanW_6> no, that should have everything[06:05:15] <NathanW_6> I just changed a couple lines[06:05:18] <NathanW_6> I don't understand[06:05:25] <NathanW_6> I have to go, too, work to do and such[06:05:35] <mmadia> k.[06:05:38] <NathanW_6> I'll try to figure this out[06:06:08] <mmadia> eh. whenever. i've some spare webmail accounts as backup.[06:07:07] <NathanW_6> all right, best of luck[06:07:12] *** NathanW_6 has quit IRC[06:13:41] *** brennanOS has quit IRC[06:26:44] *** Potn has quit IRC[06:26:45] *** Potn_ has joined #haiku[06:27:29] *** liquidboy has quit IRC[06:40:44] <tic> hrm.. wonder if axeld got that message about kernel stuff..[06:40:52] <geist> what message?[06:47:28] *** slaad has joined #haiku[06:49:47] <@voidref> it's a job for a driver developer[06:49:59] <@voidref> but I would expect that axel wants to work more on the kernel proper[06:50:49] <slaad> This the job at yT, eh?[06:51:07] <@voidref> no, the one at yT, ja[06:51:24] <@voidref> we dont' have any offices in Canada yet, eh.[06:51:30] <slaad> Heh.[06:52:07] <slaad> Ung. Work uploading a hojillion hojillion meg images really kills my ability to telecommute.[06:59:31] *** RageMax has quit IRC[07:04:41] *** mmadia has quit IRC[07:08:05] <@voidref> slaad heh[07:08:15] <@voidref> slaad, I just thought of a very good use for the im_kit[07:08:41] <@voidref> make world ; im_kit_send_message voidref "Build done!"[07:08:55] <@voidref> idref> i can go away from the machine[07:09:04] <@voidref> and it would send a message to my phone that I'm done![07:09:17] <@voidref> or rather, the build has stopped[07:15:11] <slaad> You know.. a command line send client wouldn't be a bad idea...[07:20:11] <geist> voidref: what you say!![07:20:20] <slaad> Somebody set us up the build![07:20:30] <geist> for great justice![07:20:41] <@voidref> do i have time?[07:20:47] <@voidref> to make my peace?[07:21:00] <slaad> You have no time![07:21:03] <@voidref> CATS!!!![07:21:16] <slaad> What was the deal with the Cats?[07:21:27] <geist> ITS YOU[07:22:07] <@voidref> Crazy Anime Tatarganmana Somethingjapaneseses[07:33:41] <slaad> Why do I always spell manager as mananager?[07:37:46] *** Potn_ has quit IRC[07:38:20] *** Potn_ has joined #haiku[07:38:50] <slaad> voidref, grab the depot.[07:39:27] <slaad> And you'll be able to do make && im_send_message "AIM" "voidrefsaimname" "We have build!"[07:40:11] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[08:10:52] *** Potn_ has quit IRC[08:11:06] *** m_eiman has joined #haiku[08:24:05] <@voidref> slaad, no way![08:29:06] <slaad> Yes way![08:29:31] <slaad> They be some good tacos I just ate.[08:29:32] *** emwe has joined #haiku[08:31:57] *** Dr_Evil_ has quit IRC[08:34:40] <@AndrewBachmann> hello voidref geist[08:34:49] <@voidref> ih[08:35:49] <@AndrewBachmann> geist now that I have a sidekick 2 - what do I do with it ? :-D[08:42:41] <geist> umm[08:42:53] <geist> presumablly you had a point in mind when you purchased it[08:43:01] <@AndrewBachmann> lol[08:43:15] <@AndrewBachmann> yeah, well I can check my email on it[08:43:45] *** m_eiman has quit IRC[08:47:38] <geist> well anyway, I'm going to sleep[08:53:38] *** thaflo has joined #haiku[08:55:45] *** emwe has quit IRC[09:05:34] *** khorben has joined #haiku[09:11:48] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[09:11:48] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[09:47:49] *** ChatarraBeos has joined #haiku[09:49:59] *** emwe has joined #haiku[09:55:52] *** xeD has joined #haiku[10:00:53] *** emwe has quit IRC[10:01:05] *** Dr_Evil has joined #haiku[10:04:01] *** emwe has joined #haiku[10:08:01] *** mahlzeit has joined #haiku[10:08:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mahlzeit[10:17:35] *** Korli has joined #haiku[10:17:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Korli[10:18:05] <@Korli> hey people[10:18:45] <@mahlzeit> hi Korli[10:21:24] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[10:41:26] <|pst|> re[11:04:44] <@Korli> mahlzeit[11:22:49] *** emwe has quit IRC[11:36:40] *** emwe has joined #haiku[11:53:28] *** ChatarraBeos has quit IRC[11:53:34] <@Korli> lunch[11:57:04] *** alybabtus has joined #haiku[11:57:50] *** alybabtus has quit IRC[12:01:02] *** Racer__X has joined #haiku[12:02:56] *** freaxed has joined #haiku[12:03:16] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC[12:15:37] *** Methe has joined #haiku[12:21:17] *** xeD has quit IRC[12:25:53] <@mahlzeit> Korli: i'm back :-)[12:27:23] <Methe> lo mahlzeit[12:29:58] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[12:33:32] <@mahlzeit> hi Methe[12:50:42] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[13:20:39] *** Lt_Henry has joined #haiku[13:21:18] <Lt_Henry> hi guys![13:22:25] <Lt_Henry> mmm I have plugged a new TFT screen, but I find beos text rendering quite.... blur[13:23:10] <Lt_Henry> how can i disable antialiasing ?[13:24:38] <@mahlzeit> it> i don't know if that is even possible[13:31:49] *** emwe has quit IRC[13:32:12] <@mmu_man> still won't beat BFS http://freshmeat.net/projects/metafs/[13:40:19] <Lt_Henry> :D[13:48:13] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[13:48:25] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[13:48:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[13:49:29] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[13:49:38] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[13:49:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[13:50:35] *** Lt_Henry has quit IRC[14:03:27] *** jonaskirilla has joined #haiku[14:22:30] *** Methe has quit IRC[14:38:41] *** Karina`` has quit IRC[14:42:11] *** Karina`` has joined #haiku[14:43:07] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[14:44:22] *** slaad has quit IRC[14:58:18] *** Karina`` has quit IRC[14:58:34] *** lechu_mys has joined #haiku[14:58:56] *** Karina`` has joined #haiku[15:08:33] *** ahwayakchih has joined #haiku[15:08:37] <ahwayakchih> hih> hi everyone[15:09:14] <ahwayakchih> any C++ "guru" here? :)[15:09:27] <ahwayakchih> ih> i need some help with typeid.name() thing[15:10:25] <ahwayakchih> ok, here's my question, maybe someone will know:[15:11:39] <ahwayakchih> when i print typeid(var_of_some_class).name() i don't get "some_class" but something like "Fv_4some_class" - like name wasn't fully demangled[15:12:10] *** lechu_mys has quit IRC[15:12:43] <ahwayakchih> ih> i tried gcc29.5.3 and 3.4.3 - with both i get not-so-demangled name (though a bit different, as with 3.4.3 name has also some letters after "real" name)[15:13:52] <ahwayakchih> on google i found some article saying that on windows NT one will get "class some_class", and on *nix "some_class". does it mean something's not right with BeOS symbol loader?[15:14:09] <ahwayakchih> (or at least libstd++)[15:17:09] *** jonaskirilla has left #haiku[15:17:24] <ahwayakchih> hmm and here: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=489713 someone claims BeOS doesn't support RTTI :([15:26:27] *** Dr3w has joined #haiku[15:26:57] *** fyysik has quit IRC[15:33:54] <ahwayakchih> cya[15:33:55] *** ahwayakchih has quit IRC[15:35:57] <Dr3w> I think I am going to make a new type of food called "banice". Its like rice, but made out of bannana.[15:36:32] <@mahlzeit> ahlzeit> ah like, rinana?[15:39:45] <Dr3w> Yeah, just like that, but better.[15:40:29] <@mahlzeit> it> i would make some myself but we don't have padis here[15:45:46] *** bs0 has joined #haiku[16:01:14] *** Master199 has quit IRC[16:04:48] *** Lebuzzer has joined #haiku[16:05:58] *** RageMax has joined #haiku[16:08:16] *** Fanskapet has joined #haiku[16:13:36] *** Lt_Henry has joined #haiku[16:13:38] *** Lebuzzer has quit IRC[16:18:50] *** Dr3w has quit IRC[16:19:09] *** GreatDane has joined #haiku[16:19:39] *** Dr3w has joined #haiku[16:20:40] <Lt_Henry> :D[16:20:48] <Lt_Henry> svg icons are so nice[16:22:06] *** Dr3w has quit IRC[16:22:14] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[16:23:53] *** freaxed has quit IRC[16:33:40] *** Lebuzzer has joined #haiku[16:33:41] *** GreatDane has quit IRC[16:40:15] *** Potn has joined #haiku[16:48:01] *** dipp has joined #haiku[16:55:38] *** jonaskirilla has joined #haiku[17:12:45] *** ablyss has joined 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here?[20:02:37] *** khorben has quit IRC[20:04:52] *** khorben has joined #haiku[20:05:31] *** znation has quit IRC[20:05:58] *** Dr_Evil has quit IRC[20:07:51] *** oco has joined #haiku[20:12:27] *** znation has joined #haiku[20:27:47] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has quit IRC[20:39:40] *** znation has quit IRC[20:52:43] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o geist[21:08:14] *** Lebuzzer has joined #haiku[21:08:18] *** znation has joined #haiku[21:16:23] *** hUMUNGUs has joined #haiku[21:23:07] *** jonaskirilla has joined #haiku[21:23:22] *** Konrad77 has quit IRC[21:25:24] *** Jixt has joined #haiku[21:25:43] <Jixt> Hi[21:26:07] <Jixt> someone who can help me with things about the usb manager of BeOs?[21:26:56] <@Korli> hi Jixt[21:27:12] <@Korli> if i can help ...[21:27:37] <Jixt> ok, I will try to explain what my problem is[21:27:59] <Jixt> I am trying rewrite the raw_driver of BeOs.[21:28:01] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[21:28:10] <Jixt> For now the driver works wel[21:28:18] <Jixt> well[21:28:26] *** tkack has joined #haiku[21:28:46] <Jixt> the problem I have is with the queue_bulk function of the usb manager[21:29:30] <Jixt> when I do bulk transfer at a certain time the queue_bulk functoin fails to call the callback function[21:30:40] <Jixt> I try to acquire a semaphore and when that fails I cancel all bulk transfers with the cancel_queued_transfers[21:30:57] <Jixt> after that it is not possible to do bulk transfers anymore[21:31:23] <@Korli> that seems normal[21:31:36] <Jixt> ok, what is the problem you think?[21:31:43] <@Korli> are you on R5 ?[21:31:54] <Jixt> yes[21:32:07] <Jixt> but I have the same problem on Zeta[21:32:17] <@Korli> ok[21:32:38] <Jixt> the problem is that I try to get pictures from a usb camera[21:32:45] *** mahlzeit has joined #haiku[21:32:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mahlzeit[21:33:03] <Jixt> I can get some pictures, but at a certain moment it stops getting the pictures[21:33:10] *** jonaskirilla has quit IRC[21:33:15] <Jixt> this because the bulk transfer keeps failing[21:35:06] <mmadia> Jixt which tracker&deskbar are you using on R5?[21:35:10] <Jixt> So I want to know what I need to do to make it possible again to get data from my usb device after the queue_bulk fails[21:35:38] <@Korli> if usb state is wrong, i suppose you have problems when trying to queue_bulk[21:35:44] <Jixt> The one that is default with 5.03[21:36:25] <Jixt> Korli can I reset that state or not? Is there somewhere documentation about the manager?[21:36:32] <mmadia> Jixt k. i had issues w/.newfs. switching to 5.0.3 | standard OT worked around the issue, as did performing file operations in CLI[21:37:06] <@Korli> Jixt i can't help you about this[21:37:10] <@Korli> sorry[21:37:51] <@Korli> maybe you could increase the timeout ?[21:38:23] <Jixt> I did that Korli, no reaction. Keeps on hanging ;)[21:38:37] <Jixt> mmadia do you think it has something with the Tracker?[21:38:55] *** BGA has joined #haiku[21:38:55] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[21:39:04] <mmadia> ia> i really dont know, fyysik actually gave me that tip.[21:39:05] <Jixt> I am now busy with a CLI application to get my pictures from my cam[21:39:32] <mmadia> this was also using the usb_scsi mass storage driver.[21:39:34] <Jixt> yeah maybe fyysik kan help me then[21:39:44] <Jixt> I see mmadia[21:40:12] <@Korli> Jixt you're using a PIP application ?[21:40:41] <Jixt> PIP?[21:41:20] <@Korli> for cameras[21:41:42] <Jixt> I am using BeDiGicam, an application I made myself[21:41:47] <@Korli> ok[21:42:43] <Jixt> that application uses the usbkit, and the usbkit uses the raw_driver[21:42:59] <Jixt> I had problems with kernel panic because of the driver[21:43:21] <Jixt> then I wrote the raw_driver myself and the crashes are gone[21:43:34] <Jixt> I only have now the queue_bulk problem[21:44:30] <Jixt> I read about a problem with the usb manager not resetting the data toggle[21:44:49] <Jixt> when resetting the host and the device or by setting the configuration[21:45:29] *** Dr_Evil has joined #haiku[21:47:04] *** frankps has joined #haiku[21:47:04] <@Korli> it should be working on Zeta i suppose[21:47:48] *** Lebuzzer has quit IRC[21:47:57] <@Korli> unless usb_raw from zeta is too different with R5[21:49:15] <Jixt> Korli from my experience the raw_driver of Zeta is the one you can find in the usb mass storage driver 0[21:49:19] <Jixt> 0.12[21:49:20] *** mmadia has quit IRC[21:50:10] <Jixt> the one I wrote know is even better because I have no kernel panics anymore with it[21:51:00] <@mahlzeit> hmm http://www.apple.com/macmini/[21:51:04] <@Korli> usb mass storage driver is different of usb_raw[21:51:49] <Jixt> Korli I know that, but I mean that you can find the source of the raw_driver in the zip of the usb mass storage ;)[21:52:22] <@Korli> oh[21:54:46] <Jixt> hmm, can it be that if I do a queue-bulk with a length bigger then 512K I have that 'hang' problem?[21:55:11] <@Korli> size of transfers is important[21:55:40] <@Korli> 512K you mean 512000 bytes ?[21:56:34] <Jixt> yes[21:56:40] <Jixt> whoops no[21:56:50] <Jixt> I mean 512 bytes[21:58:17] <@Korli> maybe your usb chipset or your usb device doesn't support such requests[21:58:42] *** mahlzeit has quit IRC[21:58:48] <Jixt> hmm I can check that, but the usb manager should give an error when the length is to big[22:00:40] <@Korli> dunno[22:01:20] <Jixt> ok, It is fixed![22:01:45] <Jixt> the length of my request was to big. It was 4096 and it had to be 512[22:01:50] <Jixt> stupid me ;)[22:03:35] <Jixt> thx for the help ;)[22:05:07] *** tkack has left #haiku[22:05:38] <@Korli> great[22:05:46] *** tkack has joined #haiku[22:09:08] *** frankps has quit IRC[22:12:43] *** Jixt has quit IRC[22:14:05] *** frankps has joined #haiku[22:17:34] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[22:19:43] *** ConneX has quit IRC[22:20:13] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[22:20:38] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[22:21:50] *** BGA has quit IRC[22:22:23] *** tkack has quit IRC[22:27:50] *** eazel7 has joined #haiku[22:28:04] <eazel7> hi ppl[22:33:34] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[22:33:47] *** adamk has joined #haiku[22:35:32] *** slaad has joined #haiku[22:37:54] <eazel7> does the kernel boots?[22:38:08] <@geist> I would assume so[22:38:51] *** BGA has joined #haiku[22:38:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o BGA[22:45:07] <eazel7> where could I found information about the development status of a specific driver?[22:46:41] <NathanW> which?[22:48:31] *** thies_ has joined #haiku[22:50:06] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC[22:50:13] <eazel7> i810[22:54:12] *** Fanskapet has joined #haiku[22:55:07] *** Lt_Henry has joined #haiku[22:55:53] <Lt_Henry> hi[22:58:07] *** Korli has quit IRC[22:59:38] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[23:02:33] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[23:04:05] *** thies has quit IRC[23:04:30] *** eazel7 has left #haiku[23:06:39] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[23:07:11] *** NathanW6 has joined #haiku[23:12:02] *** adamk has left #haiku[23:18:15] *** ahwayakchih has joined #haiku[23:18:20] <ahwayakchih> hih> hi fyysik[23:19:24] <ahwayakchih> fyysik i tried new mozilla build for net_server - from quick test it works ok, but it still has a problem with scrollbar not receiving "mouse-up" if mouse cursor is outside of it[23:21:09] *** voidref has quit IRC[23:21:11] <ahwayakchih> fyysik also "child" documents (like those google links on bebits, or many other pages) still blink when scrolling, or even disappear (only grey square is visible, but moving mouse over some link shows link in status)[23:22:53] <ahwayakchih> another example of such "child" is on phpBB forum, when answering some post - there's scrollable view with current posts on given topic at the bottom of page. and it's very hard to see what's in it beacue it "disappears" most of the time[23:23:30] *** thies_ is now known as thies[23:24:02] <fyysik> ahwayakchih - blinking cannot be removed. it can be only replaced with "lagging" :(((( I'm writing about this problem in BeDevTalk fro 4 years at least@([23:24:21] <fyysik> wondering if you read BeDevTalk[23:24:35] <ahwayakchih> fyysik sorry, i didn't read it :([23:24:41] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[23:25:22] <fyysik> ahwayakchih - problem is that Mozilla/FF has its own app_server[23:25:27] <fyysik> "app_server"[23:25:41] <fyysik> which thinks it as smart as BeOS app_server[23:25:56] <fyysik> maybe it is required for Win 32[23:26:04] <fyysik> or stupid GTK[23:26:11] <ahwayakchih> ah, You wrote something about that in last posts on mozilla journal[23:26:17] <ahwayakchih> (abotu clipping)[23:26:22] <ahwayakchih> about even[23:26:46] <fyysik> - that's short posting. I wrote whole novells about it several times[23:26:57] <ahwayakchih> fyysik but why it sometimes doesn't redraw child at all?[23:27:10] <@mmu_man> because it is not so smart :)[23:27:45] <Lt_Henry> stupid GTK[23:27:47] <ahwayakchih> ih> i understand blinking as in "redraw twice inctead of once, and that's why we see background for a sec"[23:27:49] <Lt_Henry> he he he he he[23:27:52] <ahwayakchih> mmu_man :)[23:29:58] <fyysik> yeah. Mozilla view manager expects that we have only some low-level operations, not any intelligence. Like dumb canvas[23:30:26] *** nano\ has joined #haiku[23:30:44] <nano\> Is there any tutorial how to set up Haiku on Bochs?[23:31:07] <nano\> Sure the manual will do, but I was looking for a shortcut ;)[23:31:10] <Lt_Henry> even without AGP support, I find beos refresh impressive[23:31:51] <ahwayakchih> fyysik ah, so it redrwas only whn it thinks it's needed, and BeOS view needs redraw on each draw message, right?[23:32:04] <ahwayakchih> fyysik so it invalidates view and... mozilla doesn't draw[23:32:23] <ahwayakchih> or is problem somewhere else?[23:32:25] <fyysik> there is mix of this and that[23:32:34] <ahwayakchih> ok[23:32:42] <fyysik> we cannot use BeOS native Scrll, for example, as i explained several times[23:33:25] <fyysik> because viemanager does almost same things as beos_app server - shifts his internal accounting about frame and bounds, calculates dirty regions etc etc[23:34:12] <fyysik> but we cannot affect app_server state at low level, to change its internal things according to it[23:34:16] <ahwayakchih> fyysik i guess it's too late to change BeOS port to be just dumb canvas based on directwindow/bscreen? :)[23:34:45] <fyysik> actually it needs reimplementing most BeOS drawing methods[23:35:19] <fyysik> and directwindow don't work with all videocards[23:36:15] <AnEvilYak> 'course the other problem is scrolling in mozilla's current architecture can't be as smooth as BeOS's since the native scrollbars are managed directly by the app_server[23:36:16] <ahwayakchih> fyysik well.. bscreen should, also we could make "emulation" for special cases (much slower but working :)[23:36:19] <fyysik> but you are right. Mozilla expects that that "GDI" is something like direct window with some primitives implemented over it:)[23:36:57] <fyysik> but if we don't use BViews[23:37:09] <fyysik> we should also reimplement messaging chain[23:37:21] <fyysik> like all those BView:MouseDown etc[23:37:49] <fyysik> also external Draw calls which we get when obscured part gets visible[23:37:54] <ahwayakchih> fyysik why? we would just move "receiving" of those messages to bwindow, or not visible bview[23:37:55] <fyysik> with update rect etc[23:38:11] <fyysik> yeah, we should hook it all at bWindow level[23:38:55] <fyysik> so actually two very different versions of BeOS part must be created, i'm afraid:)[23:39:23] <ahwayakchih> fyysik ah, so almost 2nd port[23:39:30] <fyysik> kind of[23:39:54] <ahwayakchih> fyysik :([23:40:14] <fyysik> actually problem of blinking is caused by B_DRAW_ON_CHILDREN flag[23:40:37] <fyysik> but if you don't use that flag, those i-frame children are ugly lagging at scrolling[23:41:12] <fyysik> like it was two years ago with old Mozilla versions[23:41:47] <ahwayakchih> fyysik ah, so one has to select "lesser evil": draw slowly, or draw fast but only sometimes :([23:42:04] <fyysik> not that draw slowly[23:42:20] <fyysik> but draw fast but ugly on that or this way[23:42:24] *** voidref has joined #haiku[23:42:24] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o voidref[23:42:30] <ahwayakchih> fyysik :([23:42:43] <fyysik> if you wish to get rid of ugly - use replacement lib i published next to build itself[23:42:50] <fyysik> just try it:)[23:42:57] <fyysik> for curiosity[23:43:35] <ahwayakchih> what's it's name?[23:43:35] <fyysik> http://bebits.com/bob/18220/libwidget_beos.so.For.Vesa.zip ahwayakchih[23:43:52] <fyysik> no blinking, no lagging[23:43:54] <ahwayakchih> downloaded[23:44:03] <ahwayakchih> ok, will test it in a sec :)[23:44:19] *** Methe has quit IRC[23:46:18] *** Lt_Henry has quit IRC[23:49:18] *** Lt_Henry has joined #haiku[23:49:40] <ahwayakchih> fyysik it works :) scrolling is A LOT slower ("sluggish" :), but i can see child content :)[23:49:41] *** khorben has quit IRC[23:49:52] <fyysik> sure[23:50:00] <fyysik> use PgUp/PgDown[23:50:06] *** Lt_Henry has quit IRC[23:50:07] <fyysik> and it will be 100% useable[23:50:25] <ahwayakchih> fyysik THX :)[23:50:33] <fyysik> or wheel scrolling + Shif ot Ctrl (don't remember exactly)[23:50:47] <ahwayakchih> wheel doesn't work here :( (USB mouse)[23:50:49] <fyysik> Ctrl[23:51:52] *** Lt_Henry has joined #haiku[23:51:59] <ahwayakchih> BTW scrolling with middle button down doesn't work on new mozilla build. though i'm not sure if it's not firefox-only thing[23:52:18] <fyysik> ahwayakchih - actually this is speed equal to speed of MoveBy()/Redraw for children[23:52:54] <fyysik> ahwayakchih - i think it is firefox "extension" but you can try to find it via about:config[23:53:07] <fyysik> put there "scroll" in filter field[23:53:11] <ahwayakchih> ok, THX[23:55:02] <ahwayakchih> hmm middlemouse.scrollbarPosition didn't work[23:55:10] <ahwayakchih> so it must be firefox thing[23:56:38] <fyysik> ahwayakchih - look if Middle Button click isn't reserverd for tabbed browsing[23:57:00] <fyysik> idiotic FireFox don't allow me to open new tab with middle click from links[23:57:05] <fyysik> this is why i don't use it[23:57:44] <ahwayakchih> fyysik ? opening link in new tab works here with firefox and middlemouse[23:58:10] <fyysik> hm, searched for that in Windoze Firefox - only Ctrl+Click works as expected[23:58:53] <ahwayakchih> fyysik it works here, though with old build (none of new ones worked for me)[23:59:06] <fyysik> ahwayakchih - hm, maybe i can create next version of libwidget for you to test[23:59:08] *** frankps has left #haiku[23:59:46] <fyysik> what is your CPU speed?