December 31, 2004 
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December 31, 2004 [00:04:08] *** Konrad has quit IRC[00:05:34] <Fanskapet> ahh.. http://www.sidvicious.se[00:05:46] <Fanskapet> at last my domain works :)[00:12:07] *** jonaskirilla has quit IRC[00:14:23] *** gipfex has quit IRC[00:15:59] *** illissius has quit IRC[00:17:57] *** mwilber has joined #haiku[00:21:06] *** Dr_Evil has joined #haiku[00:21:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Dr_Evil[00:21:53] <fyysik> Dr_Evil ?[00:22:37] <fyysik> Dr_Evil - there is line load_driver_symbols() in emuxki code, but i cannot find it in ich-ac97[00:23:23] <fyysik> isn't it obligatory for publishing? Or is it used for debug purposes only?[00:24:05] <@Dr_Evil> well that seems to depend on the kernel version[00:24:13] <@Dr_Evil> it's only for debug[00:24:34] <@Dr_Evil> if you can read function names in the stack crawl, you got symbol names[00:24:50] <@Dr_Evil> if not, you get only addresses[00:25:23] <Dr_Evil> I got symbold during development, perhaps because I was using a Maui beta version[00:26:06] *** Dr3w has quit IRC[00:26:22] <fyysik> Dr_Evil - there is flag in kernel settings - load_symbols enabled - is it related?[00:28:09] <@Dr_Evil> yes[00:28:19] <@Dr_Evil> you should set it to 1, on or yes[00:31:23] *** gipfex has joined #haiku[00:32:15] *** illissius has joined #haiku[00:34:34] *** fyysik has quit IRC[00:37:47] *** Racer__X has quit IRC[00:39:38] *** voidref has quit IRC[00:42:00] *** stippi has quit IRC[00:43:46] *** TuneTracker has quit IRC[00:44:17] *** voidref has joined #haiku[00:44:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o voidref[00:46:22] *** kr1stof has quit IRC[00:55:35] <tic> Anyone here uses a FX5200 (NV34)-based AGP card in BeOS?[00:57:21] <MikeW> k, I think Im going to order a 3200+ athlon 64 socket 939[00:57:30] * MikeW wonders how beos compatable it is[00:59:54] *** gipfex has quit IRC[01:02:09] <Karina```> dual core athlon 64's will be out this year :D[01:02:19] <mwilber> tic: Nope, but my Radeon 9600 Pro works quite well.[01:02:27] <tic> m'kay..[01:02:44] <Karina```> well this coming year[01:02:47] <tic> thing is, the nVidia drivers are being more actively developed, i.e., higher chance of getting support for the cards' features.[01:02:57] <tic> So I'm really leaning towards an FX5200 right now..[01:03:22] <mwilber> That makes sense.[01:04:08] <MikeW> Karina```: That will rock[01:04:15] <MikeW> Karina```: Better still be 939 pin though[01:05:44] <Karina```> MikeW, afaik 939 will be still supported for the newer processors and 754 phased out, not 100% on the dual cores going in 939 though[01:06:14] <@AndrewBachmann> rudolf chips away at the 3d engine each day tic[01:06:45] <tic> AndrewBachmann, exactly, that's why I'm leaning towards even nVidia even though I've heard the Radeon has better image quality.[01:07:13] <tic> wouldn't by chance know roughly which one will be the best supported by Rudolf's driver? 5200? 5700?[01:07:33] <@AndrewBachmann> presumably whichever card he has :-D[01:07:41] <tic> True. :P[01:07:53] <MikeW> Im going for an nvidia in my computer. Im tired of atis radeon drivers bluescreening my laptop[01:08:22] <@AndrewBachmann> I need a beos ISO to take with me to try on laptops, any suggestions?[01:08:36] <@AndrewBachmann> they are all intel proc, no amd patch necessary[01:08:42] <tic> BeOS Max, I suppose. Doesn't it have a bunch of patches and stuff[01:08:43] <tic> Ah.[01:08:47] <slaad> I'd probably go for one of the distros that are just a pull of BeBits.[01:08:47] <@AndrewBachmann> should at least have ac97 preinstalled[01:08:52] <tic> mhm.[01:08:56] <tic> or, roll your own.[01:09:14] <@AndrewBachmann> I have my own but it isn't up to date[01:09:18] <tic> it's basically just a matter of burning your boot volume on a CD w/ a boot floppy as the first track.[01:09:18] <tic> ah.[01:09:23] <tic> dunno then :|[01:09:27] <@AndrewBachmann> well I'd like to benchmark too[01:09:41] <Karina```> I've had a really bad run with nvidia based cards peronally[01:10:33] <@AndrewBachmann> nvidia is going happy for me but I haven't changed my driver in a few months[01:11:15] <@AndrewBachmann> I used to update aggresively to help rudolf but that was when I had more time for testing[01:13:44] <tic> Karina```, like?[01:14:19] <Karina```> they been ok in non MS OS's for me, just always had problems in windows with artifacts left on screen in windows, kinda like what you get if you overclock memory too far... but they've all been good quality cards[01:15:25] <tic> Ah..[01:15:31] <tic> Well, I don't really use Windows, so...[01:15:38] <tic> Windows is on the laptop. :)[01:15:49] <tic> but thanks for the info! I'll try to keep that in mind when shopping.[01:16:09] <Karina```> with, a tnt budget version forget what it was, tnt2, geforce 2mx, geforce 2, geforce4mx... all been real pains for me, used on different hardware[01:16:49] <tic> Ah.[01:17:07] <tic> I'm thinking of either a LeadTek FX5200 or a FX5700LE[01:17:41] <Karina```> all worked fine in xwindows, and the gf2's worked fine in beos[01:18:17] * tic nods.[01:18:38] <tic> Also, the nVidias has hw cursors on both heads. That's a really good thing, as well..[01:18:44] <tic> Need that for a bunch of apps.[01:19:54] <Karina```> so far the radeons I've used have been fine... though only used a 9200 under beos[01:20:14] *** TLF has quit IRC[01:20:55] <Karina```> never used dual head much under beos though, the stretched workspace dual head setup was kinda irritating for me[01:21:08] <slaad> I'm backing a 9600SE, which works fine.[01:21:10] <tic> okay, I kinda like it.[01:21:11] <slaad> Err... packing.[01:21:23] <tic> Karina```, also, I just got myself a pair of 19" TFTs.... :)[01:21:35] <Karina```> nice :)[01:21:48] <@AndrewBachmann> I would probably use dual head except I don't have two monitors of the same size[01:21:58] <tic> what's this crap about the 5700s not supporting more than 2048x1536? That must be on a single head, right?[01:22:29] <@AndrewBachmann> bbiab[01:22:51] <Karina```> have a generic 9600 pro on the pc at the moment, haven't tried it under beos though, but has been a great card, especially considering it cost me about $70[01:25:35] <[Beta]> would be nice to donate enough for Rudolf to get an PCIx SLI rig. a niche market, but I want to be in it.[01:26:33] <Karina```> the 9550 (non-se) are just a downclocked 9600, if you can get them with good memory and a decent sink, you can flash them up to a 9600 pro[01:27:57] <tic> Oh well. Sleepy time for me, anyways! Ciao.[01:28:54] <Karina```> else just hack the bios and take it as far as it will go, the chips will almost always go to full 9600 pro clock speed[01:29:35] <Karina```> memory 9600 spec to 9600 pro spec depending on its rating[01:29:50] <Karina```> night tic[01:29:55] *** mwilber has quit IRC[01:30:57] *** reffie_ is now known as reffie[01:56:46] *** AndrewBachmann has quit IRC[02:01:20] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[02:01:27] <fyysik> mystics[02:02:01] <fyysik> that's impossible[02:02:42] <fyysik> Dr_Evil - what do you think if snooze is required after such line - card->config.nabmbar = card->info.u.h0.base_registers[0];[02:03:16] <fyysik> before card->config.irq = card->info.u.h0.interrupt_line;[02:03:16] <@Dr_Evil> no[02:03:27] <fyysik> so i don't understand[02:03:43] <@Dr_Evil> no snooze required[02:03:54] <fyysik> no more crashes since i put between those lines: if(card->config.nabmbar){} else panic("ASSERT failed nambar, file %s, line %d", __FILE__, __LINE__);[02:04:20] <fyysik> actually one operation reading that nabmar[02:04:45] <shackan_> 'notte[02:07:35] <fyysik> 3rd attempt to crash. maybe i changed something more?[02:07:51] *** fyysik has quit IRC[02:14:33] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[02:15:58] <fyysik> mystics. pure occasion. restored original emuxki.c and io.c files. and still no crash. Kudos to driver writers. It is unbeliavable how they do work in such conditions, when result depends on Moon's phase[02:20:11] *** Potn_ has joined #haiku[02:21:06] *** Potn has quit IRC[02:24:30] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC[02:25:55] *** shackan_ has quit IRC[02:25:56] *** fyysik has quit IRC[02:31:21] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[02:32:03] <fyysik> Dr_Evil - do you know if BeOS uses some bfs specifics, like indices, to allocate drivers on disk?[02:33:56] <@Dr_Evil> it doesn't[02:34:03] <@Dr_Evil> as far as I know[02:35:10] <fyysik> truth is that both partition where i use this driver contain more than 100 000 files...so i'm starting to suspect that it don't crash if happens on some "good" place[02:36:34] <fyysik> but still is question, why Be's gamedriver don't crash. Both use multi_audio add-on AFAIK[02:37:03] <fyysik> ok, next text[02:39:33] <fyysik> reboot[02:39:35] *** fyysik has quit IRC[02:54:34] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[03:11:37] *** Dr_Evil has quit IRC[03:33:34] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[03:35:38] *** Potn_ has quit IRC[03:36:48] *** Potn_ has joined #haiku[03:57:51] *** lizdeika has quit IRC[04:00:04] <@voidref> haha! http://www.williamgibsonbooks.com/blog/2004_12_01_archive.asp#110391590837685350[04:06:55] *** lizdeika has joined #haiku[04:08:13] <slaad> Haha, that is good.[04:16:50] *** Master199 has quit IRC[04:38:07] <MikeW> whoa[04:38:18] <MikeW> I've just seen some screenshots mmuman took[04:38:40] <MikeW> I didn't realise he got pearpc to a working state on zeta[04:38:42] *** fyysik has quit IRC[04:40:52] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[05:07:06] *** Koki has joined #haiku[05:09:37] <Teknomancer> hi Koki[05:18:48] *** ConneX has quit IRC[05:32:31] <@voidref> MikeW, yea, it's been working for a few weeks now[05:32:41] <@voidref> he's been optomizing it[05:39:47] *** nPHYN1T3 has joined #haiku[05:42:53] *** thies has quit IRC[05:43:12] *** thies has joined #haiku[05:51:26] <MikeW> thats pretty cool[05:51:40] <MikeW> I wonder what the speed of it is compared to say, it running on windows or linux[05:52:04] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[05:55:13] <reffie> or freebsd[06:00:27] <MikeW> go on then[06:00:35] <MikeW> how well does it run on freebsd?[06:12:20] *** lizdeika has quit IRC[06:12:30] *** lizdeika has joined #haiku[06:16:50] <reffie> MikeW i have no idea :)[06:17:06] <reffie> ie> i have a mac, so i don't actually need it[06:25:29] <slaad> Or on a Z80![06:25:29] *** Karina``` has quit IRC[06:25:37] <slaad> Running a custom RTOS.[06:29:43] *** Karina``` has joined #haiku[06:33:49] *** Potn_ has quit IRC[06:34:32] *** Potn_ has joined #haiku[06:50:54] *** RageMax has quit IRC[06:57:20] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[06:57:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[07:02:50] *** Potn_ has quit IRC[07:03:11] 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#haiku[08:05:54] *** LupusMichaelis has joined #haiku[08:05:54] *** mumu25 has joined #haiku[08:05:54] *** tic has joined #haiku[08:05:54] *** myrkraverk has joined #haiku[08:05:54] *** Zaranthos has joined #haiku[08:05:54] *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o mmu_man[08:51:21] *** JBurton has joined #haiku[08:51:23] <JBurton> hi all[08:57:45] <MikeW> poo[08:57:46] *** illissius has quit IRC[08:57:47] <MikeW> its 8am[08:57:56] <MikeW> and I havn't gone to bed yet[09:04:25] <JBurton> heh[09:04:36] <MikeW> hmm[09:04:46] <MikeW> ati or nvidia?[09:05:51] <JBurton> me ?[09:05:53] <JBurton> nvidia[09:05:56] <JBurton> why do you ask ?[09:06:09] <MikeW> wondering what card I should get[09:06:13] <JBurton> ah[09:06:14] <MikeW> why nvidia?[09:06:26] <JBurton> well, if I had to buy a card right now, I'd buy ATI[09:06:54] <JBurton> nvidia are jackasses[09:07:07] <JBurton> they used to be great when they started[09:07:12] <JBurton> but right now ATI is much better[09:13:58] <MikeW> okay[09:14:08] <MikeW> what sort of card would you get?[09:15:55] <JBurton> MikeW well, it depends how much you are able to spend[09:16:18] <JBurton> but anyway, the trick is: never buy the latest card[09:16:21] <MikeW> someone is telling me to get the 9600XT[09:16:27] <JBurton> how much ?[09:16:33] <MikeW> 130 euro[09:17:02] <MikeW> I still feel its on the expensive side[09:17:16] <MikeW> but I would like to be able to play unreal tournament 2004 once in a while[09:17:52] <JBurton> hmmm I see[09:18:11] <JBurton> well, the problem with games is that your pc is never too fast for them[09:18:26] <MikeW> but the wallet could be empty[09:18:41] <MikeW> my computer is already pushing on 700 euro without monitor or gfx card[09:21:41] <JBurton> heh[09:22:44] <MikeW> mabye I should cutback on things[09:22:51] <MikeW> like my psu is 65 euro[09:23:00] <MikeW> mmmm, no, thats important[09:23:05] <JBurton> well, the psu is the only thing that you don't replace in 1 year[09:23:05] <JBurton> :P[09:23:14] <MikeW> I just need more money[09:23:16] <JBurton> I mean, you can keep the psu (if it's good) for many years[09:23:22] <JBurton> eheh that's a common problem I think[09:23:56] <MikeW> and I only got 1 200gb hdd in it[09:24:16] <MikeW> and thats going to get filled pretty quickly[09:24:34] <MikeW> gonna rip my cds to ogg q6[09:24:49] <MikeW> backing up my laptop is going to cost 20gb[09:25:07] <MikeW> a friend of mine has 80gb of documentries I want to get[09:25:17] <JBurton> 200 gb!?!?!?!?!?![09:25:23] <MikeW> yeah[09:25:31] <MikeW> I wanted to get 2x 300gb hdds[09:25:31] <JBurton> my HD is 15 gb[09:25:34] <JBurton> argh[09:25:47] <MikeW> my laptop hdd is 20gb and Ive used up 2gb compiling stuff in the past 2 days[09:25:51] <JBurton> anywyay, those big hard drives aren't trustable[09:25:59] <JBurton> in fact they only have 1 year warranty instead of 2[09:26:23] <MikeW> this comes with 3 years[09:26:36] <MikeW> Maxtor DiamondMax 10 200GB S-ATA 8MB cache 7200RPM[09:27:00] *** Baldur has joined #haiku[09:27:38] <MikeW> ho ho ho[09:27:39] <MikeW> On FedEx vehicle for delivery/CONTACT CALL CENTRE IE 12/31/2004 07:55[09:27:41] <MikeW> :)[09:27:48] <JBurton> oh[09:27:50] <JBurton> weird[09:28:26] <MikeW> im going to catch some sleep[09:28:29] <MikeW> its half eight[09:28:37] <MikeW> should get a couple hours[09:28:39] <MikeW> oh man[09:28:45] <MikeW> I've been online for the past 12 hours![09:28:47] <JBurton> night MikeW :P[09:29:04] <MikeW> morn :)[09:29:31] *** MikeW has quit IRC[09:30:21] *** thies has quit IRC[09:30:37] *** thies has joined #haiku[09:31:14] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[09:31:58] <JBurton> hey Begasus[09:32:11] <Begasus> hi JBurton[09:38:06] *** zortness has quit IRC[09:40:30] *** LupusMic1aelis has joined #haiku[09:50:50] *** LupusMichaelis has quit IRC[09:58:29] *** tqh has joined #haiku[10:04:32] <CIA-6> jackburton * current/src/kits/interface/SeparatorItem.cpp:[10:04:32] <CIA-6> Now BSeparatorItem's Draw() checks the separator type. Implemented separator[10:04:32] <CIA-6> type "1". Please, someone with a better "artistic" skill than me, feel free to[10:04:32] <CIA-6> implement separator type "2" and check if the drawing of the others is correct[10:04:32] <CIA-6> :)[10:08:14] <Begasus> quiet day today JBurton? :P[10:09:59] <JBurton> eheh yeah[10:11:48] *** nPHYN1T3 has quit IRC[10:21:50] *** Fanskapet has joined #haiku[10:22:02] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[10:23:31] *** lizdeika_ is now known as lizdeika[10:31:16] <lizdeika> ehm[10:31:29] <lizdeika> whats with haiku-os.org ?[10:36:52] <slaad> It's not here maaaaan[10:36:58] <tic> *yawn*[10:45:11] <CIA-6> jackburton * current/src/kits/interface/Menu.cpp:[10:45:11] <CIA-6> Now items are removed correctly. All RemoveItem() call pass now through the[10:45:11] <CIA-6> private RemoveItems() method. ComputeLayout now uses a switch block, and prints[10:45:11] <CIA-6> a warning if B_ITEMS_IN_MATRIX is used, since it's not supported yet. Some[10:45:11] <CIA-6> cleanups.[10:45:14] <JBurton> well at leas now the server is up :P[10:45:17] <JBurton> leasT[10:45:53] <tic> horray[10:45:59] <JBurton> ahah[10:46:29] <JBurton> tycomsystems is also broken, it seems[10:47:01] <JBurton> okay, coffee time[10:47:04] <JBurton> laterz[10:50:11] *** slaad has quit IRC[10:51:48] *** Bega_ has joined #haiku[10:54:17] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[10:55:57] *** Begasus has quit IRC[10:55:57] *** Bega_ is now known as Begasus[11:06:06] <JBurton> re[11:14:50] *** gipfex has joined #haiku[11:15:15] * lizdeika help[11:24:03] <Begasus> bbl[11:24:09] *** Begasus has quit IRC[11:32:36] *** Baldur has quit IRC[11:57:33] *** ConneX has joined #haiku[12:14:18] *** YNOP-2 has quit IRC[12:20:11] *** opticana has joined #haiku[12:20:36] <opticana> haiku[12:21:39] *** opticana has left #haiku[12:22:34] <JBurton> hahahah[12:23:28] <tqh> ?[12:24:40] *** mmu_man has joined #haiku[12:24:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mmu_man[12:25:11] <JBurton> hey mmu_man[12:25:23] <JBurton> tqh well, I was laughing for that opticana[12:25:31] <JBurton> he joined, said "haiku", then left[12:27:17] <tqh> ah[12:29:33] <@voidref> haiku![12:30:16] <tqh> hai![12:31:48] <JBurton> hmmmm they keep sending me some "vicodin, viagra, etc. order charged" at the rate of one every half an hour[12:32:11] <tqh> oh, I can get software at 'low low prices'[12:37:02] *** BeMonni has joined #haiku[12:44:19] <CIA-6> jackburton * current/src/kits/interface/ (Menu.cpp MenuItem.cpp): some more cleanups. The AddItem() variation which accepts a BRect parameter now calls the debugger if called when the layout is not B_ITEMS_IN_MATRIX.[12:44:39] <JBurton> and this was, definitely, the last commit for this year[12:44:48] <BeMonni> :)[12:50:48] *** illissius has joined #haiku[12:51:50] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has joined #haiku[12:52:54] <CIA-6> jackburton * current/src/kits/interface/MenuItem.cpp: Accidentally commented the DrawContent call. I promise, this is the last commit for this year.[12:55:50] <tqh> hmm, wasn't the previous one the last one :)[12:56:01] <BeMonni> famous last words ;)[12:56:56] <JBurton> yeah :))[12:57:19] <JBurton> well, this time I shutted down VirtualPC, so it's really the last one :P[12:57:48] <JBurton> hm btw did you see this ? http://www.yellowbites.com/images/Painter.png[12:58:58] *** TuneTracker has joined #haiku[13:00:50] <tqh> No, but I'm not sure what I'm looking at?[13:00:56] <JBurton> hmmm right[13:01:00] <JBurton> I should introduce the context[13:01:07] <BeMonni> "find 5 differences" ;)[13:01:14] <JBurton> http://www.freelists.org/archives/haiku-appserver/12-2004/msg00001.html[13:01:18] <JBurton> ahahahah BeMonni[13:04:16] <tqh> cool[13:04:48] <tqh> I've found one difference :)[13:04:56] <BeMonni> I did too ;)[13:05:01] <JBurton> well, there are many differences actually[13:05:04] <TuneTracker> Can someone remind me what you do to format a floppy under BeOS?[13:05:08] <JBurton> the upper screenshot is antialiased[13:05:13] <JBurton> the bottomest one is not[13:05:26] <BeMonni> and there is one place where it has different color pixels ;)[13:05:32] <JBurton> TuneTracker you need to launch DriveSetup[13:05:33] <@mmu_man> TuneTracker mkdos /dev/disk/floppy/raw[13:05:33] <tqh> that's good because I thought the upper one looked better.[13:05:46] <TuneTracker> thanks[13:05:46] <JBurton> mmu_man ah, the unixish solution :P[13:06:04] <JBurton> tqh though it's not what beos does[13:06:05] <JBurton> :P[13:06:35] <tqh> Well, It looks much better actually, when looking around.[13:06:49] <JBurton> yeah, I guess[13:06:58] <BeMonni> antialiasing suck for some things but for viewing scaled images it's pretty ok[13:07:41] *** Potn_ has quit IRC[13:07:42] <TuneTracker> mmu_man The networking fun continues today... :-)[13:12:02] *** illissius- has joined #haiku[13:12:16] *** Dr_Evil has joined #haiku[13:12:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Dr_Evil[13:12:22] <BeMonni> hmmm... I wonder how many times I try to do full recompile until I get bored... always getting more of code to compile successfully[13:12:54] <TuneTracker> Dr_Evil Hey there...question for you.[13:13:01] <@Dr_Evil> hi[13:13:11] <TuneTracker> Dr_Evil First, MC and HNY :-)[13:13:36] <JBurton> hi Dr_Evil[13:14:04] <JBurton> oh, boys[13:14:07] <JBurton> time to go home[13:14:16] <JBurton> bye all, see ya next year[13:14:19] <TuneTracker> Dr_Evil Under Neo, I'm discovering that TuneTracker can't reliably open a live input channel in SoundPlay. Is there *anything* I can do to make it work? I've found it'll work once or twice, then after that, it doesn't.[13:14:22] <TuneTracker> Bye JBurton[13:14:22] <JBurton> I hope you pass well this day[13:14:25] <JBurton> bye[13:14:38] *** JBurton has quit IRC[13:15:10] <@Dr_Evil> TuneTracker no sorry, can't help you, don't know the answer[13:15:13] <TuneTracker> Dr_Evil That was pretty much the same in Beta3, which is why I have stayed with Beta 2 for so long.[13:15:44] <TuneTracker> Dr_Evil What is the deal with live input in general? Why is it so "touchy?"[13:16:10] <@Dr_Evil> I don't know, I never used it[13:16:18] * tqh is getting anoyed by the recent mail virus deals[13:17:03] <TuneTracker> Dr_Evil You work on the media kit stuff but have never tried live-in?[13:17:07] <TuneTracker> I mean line-in.[13:17:43] <TuneTracker> Dr_Evil My bad, I should have been saying "line-in"[13:17:54] <BeMonni> funny thing is that I'm getting like 80% less spam mail this month... I guess some spammers are getting bored or filters have gotten much better....[13:18:17] <TuneTracker> Dr_Evil This is really important...I need to get any help you can give me. TuneTracker's future is at stake...[13:19:31] <@Dr_Evil> TuneTracker yes, the recodning thing is not implemented rightnow[13:20:12] <TuneTracker> Dr_Evil You mean under AC97, or generally, with any sound card?[13:20:19] *** illissius has quit IRC[13:21:18] <@Dr_Evil> with my driver[13:21:24] <@Dr_Evil> the one for intel chipsets[13:21:28] <@Dr_Evil> I just don't need it[13:22:09] <TuneTracker> I do...badly. This is getting scary.[13:22:48] <@Dr_Evil> basically, I tried to add recording support to the ich driver, using the mutliaidio replacemetn addon (that is also used by emuxki and via(?)) and found it to be unrelyable[13:31:40] <@mmu_man> Dr_Evil what's the prob ?[13:31:57] <@mmu_man> dropped irq ?[13:45:02] <@mmu_man> http://www.jcraft.com/jesd/EsounD-protocol.txt[13:45:15] <@mmu_man> interesting, didn't know there was jesd :)[13:45:58] <BeMonni> mmu_man: even you can learn something new once in a while ;)[13:46:00] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has quit IRC[13:48:07] <@mmu_man> the same guys who made weirdX, a java x server :)[13:48:29] <BeMonni> too much spare time...[13:48:48] <BeMonni> like I have, 'cause I'm kinda counting how many buffer overruns there is in Haiku ;)[13:49:11] *** Potn has joined #haiku[13:50:38] <@Dr_Evil> mmu_man timing problems during playback and rcording, it sometimes just stopped[13:51:28] <@mmu_man> well I enabled input in ich, and SoundRecorder just sits there doing nothing[13:51:31] <@mmu_man> and sometimes hangs[13:51:50] <@Dr_Evil> yes it's no longer implemented ;)[13:52:12] <@Dr_Evil> il> i didn't release the unstable stuff[13:52:35] <@mmu_man> I uncommented the thing and #ifdefed it[13:52:43] <@mmu_man> now is there something that's not in HEAD ?[13:53:24] <@Dr_Evil> yes, mixer support[13:53:40] <@Dr_Evil> the version with mixer and recording went never into CVS[13:54:11] <@mmu_man> ah I was wondering where the mixer was :)[13:54:32] <@Dr_Evil> there is some stuff in the hacking branch, but not working I think[13:55:44] <@Dr_Evil> I can tryx finding a backup[13:57:53] <@mmu_man> yeah there is some mixer code in there[13:58:18] <@mmu_man> hmm auvia_*()[14:00:04] <BeMonni> hmmm... is there an app that can split text file from points where line starts with specific characters/string?[14:00:14] <@Dr_Evil> cut[14:07:10] <@Dr_Evil> hmm, mmu_man, I only find stuff like BeTestVirus 2001-04-22.zip or Disasteroids3D preview 2001-04-16.zip[14:07:59] <@mmu_man> lol[14:08:31] <@Dr_Evil> Disasteroids3D was that nice openGL game that I ported[14:08:50] <@Dr_Evil> BeTestVirus was well, something different and unreleased[14:11:12] <@mmu_man> better stay there :p[14:12:45] <ShackaN> ackaN> a virus for be ? :D[14:12:49] <@Dr_Evil> well it uses attributes :)[14:13:55] *** Potn has quit IRC[14:14:44] *** Potn has joined #haiku[14:17:26] <@mmu_man> nice innovative thing :)[14:17:33] <@mmu_man> but totally unportable :)[14:20:06] <@Dr_Evil> how can I find a file on a fat32 partition? filename is something like ich*[14:21:52] *** fyysik has joined #haiku[14:24:52] *** fyysik has quit IRC[14:28:29] *** Fanskapet has quit IRC[14:28:38] <@mmu_man> find /wincrash -iname 'ich*'[14:28:45] <@mmu_man> i = case insensitive[14:32:29] *** Konrad has joined #haiku[14:33:01] *** Lebuzzer has joined #haiku[14:33:36] <Lebuzzer> mmu_man Guess where I'm talking to you from? :-D[14:34:20] <Lebuzzer> mmu_man I zapped my network prefs and rebooted so it would pick up the Realtek card, and voila.[14:34:22] *** kensanata has joined #haiku[14:35:21] *** Lebuzzer has quit IRC[14:35:27] <kensanata> topic lists http://haiku-os.org/ -- but when i visit it, i get a directory listing...[14:36:23] <@Dr_Evil> kensanata temporary problem, we are changing webhosting[14:36:36] <kensanata> ah, i see.[14:37:33] <@Dr_Evil> mmu_man I found /windows/UNSORTIERT/Incoming - Diverses/BEOS/ich_ac97 mixer control.zip[14:38:10] <@mmu_man> hmm loop_test crashes[14:38:45] *** kensanata has left #haiku[14:39:04] <@Dr_Evil> I think that was the version with recodring and mixer controls[14:47:53] *** thaflo has joined #haiku[14:56:54] *** Dr3w has joined #haiku[15:00:02] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[15:00:38] *** Teknomancer has joined #haiku[15:00:52] <Teknomancer> can someone help me with ReadAttr ?[15:01:54] *** Lebuzzer has joined #haiku[15:02:37] <@mmu_man> ...[15:02:51] <Begasus> 0_0[15:02:54] <Teknomancer> how do i read a Message attribute ?[15:03:15] <Lebuzzer> Is there a "general" chatroom under IRQ that is pretty popular for BeOS users?[15:03:20] <Lebuzzer> IRC I mean.[15:03:36] <@mmu_man> Teknomancer you need to first read the attribute in memory, then unflatten the BMessage[15:03:49] <Teknomancer> BMessage attrMsg;[15:03:50] <Teknomancer> attr_info attrInfo;[15:03:50] <Teknomancer> appNode.GetAttrInfo ("BEOS:FILE_TYPES", &attrInfo);[15:03:51] <Teknomancer> appNode.ReadAttr ("BEOS:FILE_TYPES", B_MESSAGE_TYPE, 0, &attrMsg, attrInfo.size);[15:03:52] <Teknomancer> attrMsg.PrintToStream();[15:03:57] <Teknomancer> the PrintToStream() crashes the app[15:04:25] <@mmu_man> of course, ReadAttr wants a pointer to a byte array[15:04:31] <@mmu_man> you give it a pointer to a BMessage[15:04:39] <@mmu_man> it will clobber the message fields[15:04:45] <Teknomancer> so what do i do char buf[attrInfo.size] ??[15:04:58] <@mmu_man> rather:[15:04:58] <Teknomancer> and pass &buf ?[15:05:01] <@mmu_man> BMallocIO mio;[15:05:08] <@mmu_man> mio.SetSize(attrinfo.size);[15:05:26] <@mmu_man> appNode.ReadAttr ("BEOS:FILE_TYPES", B_MESSAGE_TYPE, 0, mio.Buffer(), attrInfo.size);[15:05:39] <@mmu_man> attrMsg.Unflatten(&mio);[15:05:47] <Teknomancer> hmm will try that[15:07:10] <Teknomancer> YAY![15:07:13] <Teknomancer> mmu_man u're wonderful :-)[15:07:14] <Teknomancer> thanks[15:07:58] <Teknomancer> now to register these file types :-)[15:11:24] *** nielx has joined #haiku[15:12:05] <nielx> tqh: are you here?[15:12:07] <Lebuzzer> mmu_man Does neo work with Spicykeys?[15:12:26] <@mmu_man> Lebuzzer didn't try[15:12:34] <@mmu_man> but I do'nt see a reason[15:12:49] <Lebuzzer> I have a bunch of spicykeys set up in it, but they don't work...was just wondering...[15:14:27] <Lebuzzer> mmu_man Where do you change the svg icon size? Can't find it in prefs?[15:15:09] <@mmu_man> right cliek on desktop, desktiop settings[15:15:28] <@mmu_man> should be in tracker settings as well[15:15:41] <Lebuzzer> great...thanks[15:15:51] <Lebuzzer> mmu_man Standard is 32, right?[15:16:04] <@mmu_man> yup[15:16:07] <Lebuzzer> k great[15:16:27] <@mmu_man> hmm I think the default is 48 in zeta[15:16:33] <Lebuzzer> k[15:16:34] <@mmu_man> for the desktop at least[15:16:58] <Lebuzzer> My TT icons aren't svg, so I have to stick with the native size they were created at.[15:17:22] <Teknomancer> i really should try zeta one of these days :-)[15:17:29] <Teknomancer> when i'ms still a student[15:19:49] <@mmu_man> hmm ouch[15:32:52] <@mmu_man> ++[15:32:56] *** mmu_man has quit IRC[15:36:33] *** Technix has joined #haiku[15:37:22] *** thies has quit IRC[15:38:10] <Teknomancer> hi Technix[15:38:14] <Technix> hi Teknomancer[15:38:36] <Teknomancer> have u resolved u're bandwidth issue ?[15:38:43] <Teknomancer> did HE.net agree not to charge u for that ?[15:39:21] <tqh> nielx: now I am[15:39:35] *** thaflo has quit IRC[15:39:52] <Begasus> hi Technix[15:40:04] *** thies has joined #haiku[15:41:46] <BeMonni> hi Begasus[15:42:22] <Begasus> hi BeMonni :D[15:43:47] <BeMonni> Begasus: Stupid Tycom is almost empty... takes 8 minutes to connect ;)[15:45:15] <Begasus> we shift to neoplasma BeMonni :P[15:45:29] <Begasus> neonplasma[15:46:54] <BeMonni> Begasus: newest BeOS compiler totally barfs compiling Haiku... I have spent 3 days fixing compiler warnings and errors ;)[15:47:37] <Begasus> 3.x one BeMonni?[15:47:37] *** Karina``` has quit IRC[15:47:44] <BeMonni> Begasus: 2.x one ;)[15:47:50] <@Dr_Evil> BeMonni and you gave all this back?[15:48:01] <Begasus> hehe[15:48:06] <BeMonni> Dr_Evil: Hmmm... What do you mean?[15:48:10] <Begasus> x-mas present :P[15:49:05] <@Dr_Evil> if you fixed compiler wanrings and errors for 3 days, you should make sure this gets back into CVS[15:49:13] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[15:49:20] <BeMonni> Dr_Evil: After my hacks 5 more targets did build without errors and a few compiled with less warnings[15:49:36] *** Lebuzzer has quit IRC[15:49:55] <BeMonni> Dr_Evil: That's what for I needed to know if there is app that can break long cvs log to smaller files... no human will read thousands of lines in single file ;)[15:50:10] <@Dr_Evil> so make a diff -u and mail it to the openbeos list[15:50:24] <BeMonni> Dr_Evil: It might hit the maximum message size[15:53:00] *** Bryan_W has joined #haiku[15:53:39] <BeMonni> Dr_Evil: When I finish and get the log splitted to smaller parts, I think I zip it up and upload it to my server and give Andrew the URL[15:54:02] <@Dr_Evil> I'm not sure if that is usefil[15:54:15] <@Dr_Evil> we don't need a log, we need a diff -u[15:54:39] <BeMonni> Dr_Evil: I can pipe cvs diff to a file[15:55:46] <Technix> BeMonni : you could try paginating it[15:56:20] <BeMonni> Technix: I though that I could split it like diff for one source file as one individual diff file[15:56:43] <BeMonni> seems I got fatal bug warning with multi_audio... too few parameters passed to function....[15:56:46] <Technix> BeMonni : the -l option will add paginiation feature, but I'm unclear exactly what sort of "help" that will do[15:56:58] *** Karina``` has joined #haiku[15:57:06] <Technix> Karina```[15:57:14] <Technix> Karina``` : hey hey... happy new year[15:57:26] <Technix> you're like, already celebrating, no?[15:57:37] <Karina```> hey Technix[15:57:46] <Karina```> nah not celebrating[15:58:02] <Karina```> still an hour away anyway[15:58:05] <Begasus> hi Karina```[15:58:09] <BeMonni> /data2/haiku/current/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/audio/ac97/auvia/multi.c: In function `auvia_get_description':[15:58:10] <BeMonni> /data2/haiku/current/src/add-ons/kernel/drivers/audio/ac97/auvia/multi.c:665: too few arguments to function `strncpy'[15:58:10] <Karina```> hey Begasus[15:58:35] <Begasus> how's it going?[15:58:55] <Karina```> I'm ok thankyou[15:58:57] <Karina```> yourself?[15:59:27] <Begasus> fine thnx ;)[15:59:39] <Begasus> always good when holliday's are here :D[15:59:51] <Technix> Karina``` ; well, merry xmas (belated) and happy new year to you. :P[16:00:06] <Begasus> and we Technix??[16:00:08] <Begasus> :P[16:00:28] <Technix> Begasus : DUDE... hehe.. you know I lova ya! :)[16:00:36] <Begasus> ah :D[16:00:46] <Begasus> that's better :)[16:00:55] <Karina```> yup a belated merry christmas and happy new year to you also Technix[16:01:08] <Technix> Karina``` : feel up to a small challenge?[16:01:26] <Begasus> to all here .. bhe best wishes for newyear with in front the best health to code us through the next year :D[16:01:31] <Karina```> not really, lol[16:01:33] <Karina```> why?[16:02:12] <Technix> cheers, Begasus[16:02:59] <Begasus> thnx[16:05:30] <Teknomancer> hi Karina```[16:05:45] <Karina```> hey Teknomancer[16:07:36] *** Master199 has joined #haiku[16:13:45] *** Master199 has left #haiku[16:16:16] *** landene007 has joined #haiku[16:20:17] *** Konrad has quit IRC[16:20:32] *** landene007 has left #haiku[16:42:31] *** Begasus has quit IRC[16:42:32] *** ConneX has quit IRC[16:47:55] *** Cramit has joined #haiku[16:50:32] <Dr3w> cough... sniffle...[16:51:14] <ShackaN> etchoo![17:02:43] <BeMonni> hehe...running "jam clean" again to get total number of warnings removed ;)[17:02:59] <tic> Anyone seen Rudolf lately?[17:03:25] <mmadia> last i heard, he was taking a break after pulling santa's sleigh.[17:03:33] <BeMonni> lol[17:04:07] <tic> he[17:04:09] <tic> heh[17:04:18] <tic> I need an advice on which nVidia card to buy.[17:04:44] <BeMonni> the one with red nose? ;)[17:04:55] <tic> pfft :)[17:05:25] <BeMonni> it's fun that they use different color boards...[17:06:02] <Teknomancer> my ATI card is a blue one with a golden fan[17:06:09] <Teknomancer> looks sleek[17:07:27] <tic> couldn't care less about how the graphics card looks like; I want nVidia as it's better supported in BeOS than ATi, as well as heaving hardware cursor on both heads in a dual-head setup. Need to know the image quality, though.[17:07:35] <tic> 'cause on a G400MAX, it's unfortunately not very good :/[17:08:03] <Teknomancer> how do u say its better supported in beos ??[17:08:18] <tic> how I say that? well, like this: "It's better supported than ATi in BeOS"[17:08:25] <Teknomancer> how?[17:08:28] <tic> or do you mean why? Well, look at the BeBits page for the driver.[17:08:29] <Teknomancer> there are ATI drivers for beos too[17:08:32] <tic> yes.[17:08:43] *** Methe has joined #haiku[17:08:49] <Methe> yop yop[17:08:52] <tic> but which receives the most updates? which is most likely to get 3D support in BeOS?[17:08:58] <tic> tip: it's not nVidia[17:09:00] <tic> err, ATi[17:09:31] <Teknomancer> getting more updates doesn't necessarily mean better support.. unless something is there to be fixed u wont get updates. ..[17:09:51] <Teknomancer> btw, does 3d support that is coming ONLY apply to nVidia cards ?[17:10:14] <tic> I only know of rudolf working to add 3D support to his drivre.[17:10:16] <tic> driver.[17:10:27] <tic> haven't heard anything from Thomas K. (ATi)[17:11:55] <Teknomancer> i thot 3d support he was working on is a general thing, not sure.[17:12:09] <Teknomancer> and i thot 3d needed some kernel hacking or something. or app_server or some such thing.[17:12:29] <tic> nope, he's working on adding 3D support to the nVidia driver.[17:12:45] <tic> and from there perhaps adding support specific for nVidia into Mesa or such, as a first thing.[17:12:46] <Teknomancer> oh this is not hardware acceleration then ?[17:12:49] <tic> it is.[17:13:00] <tic> Later on, people might define a 3D interface generic to the OS.[17:13:12] <tic> but right now, it's just to get something up and running for nVidia cards under BeOS.[17:13:12] <Teknomancer> hmm, i'm sure i heard someone say Hardware accel needs some low-level modifications.[17:13:16] <tic> Yes.[17:13:17] <tic> look.[17:13:56] <Teknomancer> anyway, we aren't gonna get UT2004 when rudolf gets his 3d accel ;-P so nyaaah![17:14:11] <tic> He's adding 3D initialization etc., for the nVidia driver, _only_. Later on, generic 3D support might be added. But that still requires hardware support in the driver, right? The only one working on adding that right now is Rudolf, to the nVidia driver. That's why a nVidia card is a better buy than an ATi.[17:15:00] *** gipfex has left #haiku[17:15:02] <Teknomancer> if u say so. anyway, its time for dinner.[17:15:02] <@Dr_Evil> yes, and ATI sets their PCI latency timer to 248 by default, thats very awful and selfish[17:15:17] <tic> Oh, didn't know that. Thanks, that's another + for nVidia. :)[17:15:41] <tic> It's really strange that the quality is so bad on dual head on this G400MAX[17:15:59] <Teknomancer> .. lots of my friends have had probs with nVidia cards, .. i recently sold mine infact.[17:16:04] <tic> Seems like I'll be getting myself this one: http://www.leadtek.com/3d_graphic/winfast_a360_letd_1.html[17:16:09] <Teknomancer> anyway, l8rz[17:16:10] *** Teknomancer has quit IRC[17:18:10] <tic> oops, time to leave soon.[17:20:06] *** Technix has quit IRC[17:23:42] <Methe> lol @ haiku-os.org[17:23:54] <Methe> it's back up but seems like some stuffs are gone ;(([17:24:50] <tic> yum: http://mikael.jansson.be/photos/2004/12/31/BeOS%20Workstation/ds.jpg.html[17:25:31] <Methe> nice :D[17:26:13] <tic> yeah.[17:26:23] <tic> just bought 'em. really nice, and really chea. :P[17:26:28] <tic> cheap[17:26:39] <ShackaN> wow, so beos can dual screen ?[17:26:48] <tic> Yeah, on nVidia, ATi and Matrox[17:26:56] <tic> I'm on a G400MAX-DH, but unfortunately, the image quality isn't very good.[17:26:59] <ShackaN> didn't know that..[17:27:04] <tic> it makes a very wide desktop of the two displays.[17:27:06] <ShackaN> why?[17:27:11] <tic> I don't know why :)[17:27:14] <tic> it just isn't.[17:27:21] *** Technix has joined #haiku[17:27:26] <tic> at least not on these monitors. it's a bit old, so it might be that.[17:27:32] <ShackaN> maybe your cheapo monitors are crap :)[17:27:34] <tic> nope.[17:27:38] <mmadia> tic are you using the optimal resolution for your lcd's?[17:27:44] <tic> mmadia, of course I am, silly. :)[17:27:47] <tic> 1280x1024@60 Hz[17:28:04] <tic> connected to my laptop, the monitor (one of them, only one VGA output on the laptop), the quality is great.[17:28:05] <ShackaN> are those 19'' ?[17:28:07] <tic> Yeah.[17:28:11] <ShackaN> wow[17:28:11] <tic> 2560x1024 :)[17:28:13] <tic> (totally)[17:28:17] <ShackaN> slurp[17:28:18] <tic> so anyway..[17:28:27] <tic> I bet the nVidias will have better image quality..[17:28:34] * ShackaN cannot exceed 1024x768 on his poor 15''[17:28:37] <tic> aaaaaaaanyway, I've got a bus to catch. See ya guys.[17:28:39] <tic> Mhm.[17:28:45] <ShackaN> bye![17:28:53] <ShackaN> ok, you lost it :P[17:28:54] <tic> (I used to have a 15" TFT and a 17" CRT, 2048x768 totally. this is sweeter. :)[17:28:55] <tic> yeah.[17:28:55] <tic> tata[17:28:58] <tic> hehe[17:29:06] <tic> ciao, happy new year![17:29:10] <ShackaN> ciao![17:30:13] <Technix> yo[17:31:33] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[17:38:47] *** nPHYN1T3 has joined #haiku[17:41:09] <Dr3w> Well, its taken me a while. But I nearly totally maxed out my Macintosh Plus.[17:42:14] <Dr3w> Current Spec: Apple Macintosh Plus with 4Mb, Apple 800k Floppy, Apple 20SC Hard Disk, Apple CD-ROM SC Plus.[17:42:29] <Dr3w> last item I need is an Asante SCSI Ethernet Convertor.[17:42:32] <Dr3w> then it finally rules.[17:44:15] <BeMonni> hehe... 1600 targets built, only 89 lines in error log ;)[17:44:24] *** Karina``` has quit IRC[17:44:36] *** Potn has quit IRC[17:45:54] *** Karina`` has joined #haiku[17:51:04] *** Cramit has quit IRC[18:03:11] *** nielx has quit IRC[18:03:11] *** TuneTracker has quit IRC[18:07:19] *** TLF has joined #haiku[18:15:43] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[18:20:35] *** Technix has quit IRC[18:37:54] *** shackan_ has joined #haiku[18:37:55] *** ShackaN has quit IRC[18:38:08] *** Dr3w has quit IRC[18:40:17] *** TuneTracker has joined #haiku[18:43:42] *** tqh has quit IRC[18:44:45] *** shackan_ has quit IRC[18:47:08] *** shackan_ has joined #haiku[18:52:33] *** AnEvilYak has quit IRC[18:54:32] *** AnEvilYak has joined #haiku[19:07:38] *** ConneX- has joined #haiku[19:09:29] *** LupusMic1aelis has quit IRC[19:16:11] *** shackan_ has quit IRC[19:19:03] *** ShackaN has joined #haiku[19:21:20] *** mmadia has quit IRC[19:26:04] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[19:27:08] *** zortness has joined #haiku[19:27:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o zortness[19:36:19] * Karina`` has returnethed[19:36:27] <BeMonni> .[19:43:18] *** MikeW has quit IRC[19:44:06] *** mmadia has quit IRC[19:57:19] *** matricks has joined #haiku[19:57:31] <matricks> nice homepage :)[20:05:57] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[20:07:19] <BeMonni> Begasus ;)[20:07:30] <Begasus> BeMonni ;)[20:08:28] <BeMonni> Begasus: I have edited pretty many things in my Haiku copy already ;)[20:08:45] <Begasus> and updated cvs too?[20:09:06] <BeMonni> Begasus: LOL, no... I leave that for shatty burger ;)[20:09:20] <Begasus> :P[20:09:47] <BeMonni> Begasus: them I can blame him if my changes screw up something major ;)[20:10:14] <Begasus> watch out for this man guys <eg>[20:10:54] <BeMonni> Begasus: Evil said that I need to mail the diff to the list, but I said that it might be too big ;)[20:11:12] <Begasus> he;s the guy with the zombie threads :P[20:11:52] *** Dr_Evil2 has joined #haiku[20:11:56] <BeMonni> Begasus: me and kane had nice time laughing when sh*t did hit the fan... I looked up in the cvsweb who did last modify those files.... it was always mister shatty ;)[20:12:34] <Begasus> lol[20:13:01] <Begasus> and jack did alot of work these last days .. :P[20:13:10] <BeMonni> Begasus: one of the few people who still avoid BONE like plague... and net_server has some functions that BONE doesn't...[20:13:27] <BeMonni> Begasus: you mean the weird italian ;)[20:13:47] <Begasus> who isn't weird in here .. :P[20:13:53] <AnEvilYak> umm...such as?[20:13:56] * matricks raises a hand[20:13:59] <Begasus> don't raise your hands all at once[20:14:05] <Dr_Evil2> join #newyear[20:14:18] <BeMonni> Begasus: We tried to guess earlier today how many times he says "this is the last commit for year 2004" ;)[20:14:38] <matricks> hahaha.. ffs[20:14:59] <Begasus> jikes ..[20:15:05] *** Dr_Evil has quit IRC[20:15:07] <Begasus> did you look at that channel??[20:15:09] <BeMonni> Begasus: Now you guys can start guessing how many MB the diff file I create will be ;)[20:15:24] <matricks> #newyear is.. is... hirr[20:15:53] <BeMonni> over 600 lines in error log already.... I guess I can make it go pretty low after I fix few more issues...[20:15:53] * Begasus guesses 27MB ?[20:15:57] <Begasus> hehe[20:16:09] <Begasus> indeed matricks[20:16:26] <Begasus> and to early also :P[20:16:33] <BeMonni> echo Begasus 27 MB >> /data2/guesses ;)[20:16:38] <matricks> 4 hours :)[20:17:17] <Begasus> altered the entire code BeMonni? :P[20:17:40] <BeMonni> Begasus: Yup... even the kernel ;)[20:17:50] <BeMonni> Begasus: KDL here we come ;)[20:17:56] <Begasus> LOL[20:18:16] <BeMonni> Begasus: only tool I need for fixing haiku is "sed" ;)[20:18:29] <Begasus> hmm that would be a first one BeMonni .. fixing the kernel[20:19:14] <BeMonni> Begasus: I found few hundred buffer overruns in various places and I'm going to try to find over 1000 of them before next weekend ;)[20:20:02] <Begasus> you should have joined from the beginning BeMonni :)[20:20:10] <BeMonni> Begasus: LOL no...[20:20:30] <BeMonni> Begasus: I like playing with the Koreans more ;)[20:20:38] <Begasus> hehe[20:21:02] <BeMonni> Begasus: http://www.raasu.org/jetsoni/smiling.jpg ;)[20:21:28] <Begasus> gf BeMonni?[20:21:39] <BeMonni> Begasus: well almost...[20:22:00] <Begasus> what are you doing here then?? you should be hunting :P[20:22:22] <BeMonni> Begasus: Nah... they come to me, no need to hunt ;)[20:22:39] <Begasus> hmm laisy too :P[20:23:08] <BeMonni> Begasus: I've always been but it hasn't been problem before so why should it be now...[20:23:18] <Begasus> lol[20:23:41] <Methe> let 2005 be Haiku's year[20:23:44] <BeMonni> Begasus: Two tours to Korea with Unizone was enough for me... I got few good contacts...[20:24:42] *** NathanW has joined #haiku[20:24:44] <Begasus> and a year of understanding[20:25:38] *** Bengt has joined #haiku[20:25:58] <Bengt> whoa! never thought that this channel still existed[20:26:16] <Begasus> where have you been Bengt? :)[20:26:20] <NathanW> Bengt?[20:28:07] *** Dr_Evil2 is now known as Dr_Evil[20:28:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Dr_Evil[20:28:16] *** TLF has quit IRC[20:28:22] <Bengt> I've been away, for a very long time, i am back at last[20:28:25] <Begasus> arghhhhhh 2 evils ..[20:28:26] <NathanW> ah, good[20:28:37] <NathanW> twice the evil power![20:28:38] <Methe> evening Bengt[20:28:48] <Methe> The Evil ownz you![20:29:26] <BeMonni> hmmm... full rebuild seems to take ages with 400 MHz machine ;)[20:29:53] <Methe> well[20:29:57] <Methe> i'd say[20:30:00] <Methe> gonna take 12hours[20:30:06] <Methe> or maybe 14 now[20:30:08] <Bengt> i first visited here when i noticed a wallop message that wanted us to check this place out, heh, must have been ages ago[20:30:09] <BeMonni> lol... this is 4th today ;)[20:30:23] <Begasus> rofl[20:30:29] <Methe> BeMonni: 4 days ?[20:31:19] <BeMonni> Methe: I think I build Haiku from scratch 4 times a day and I started about 4 days ago...[20:31:49] <Methe> but the good news is that u don't have to redo everything on tree update[20:32:05] <BeMonni> lol... jam bites dust almost every time... still not quite ok....[20:32:17] <BeMonni> some of the rules seem fscked up...[20:32:48] *** badonaway has joined #haiku[20:33:20] <BeMonni> so everytime it stops and skips some target, I have to do jam clean so it builds all correctly[20:33:53] <BeMonni> If I remember correctly, it did build 5 more targets today morning than when I started[20:34:05] <@Dr_Evil> no thats wrong[20:34:11] <@Dr_Evil> doing jam clean is wrong[20:34:33] <BeMonni> it's the only way it works[20:35:12] <NathanW> Some of the jam rules are screwy[20:35:27] <NathanW> That's what was causing the disk device manager failures in the build factory a little while ago[20:35:33] <BeMonni> well... I got most of the problems in src/tools[20:35:59] <NathanW> It was also causing problems with the syscall gen. tool[20:36:29] <BeMonni> I tried running jam twice in same folder and it did say total target count is different in both times, and the different was like about 100 targets[20:36:58] <Methe> :][20:37:00] <BeMonni> and I didn't do cvs update in between[20:37:04] <NathanW> It may have been noticing built objects from the previous run[20:37:20] <BeMonni> nah... did jam clean before both builds[20:37:34] <NathanW> Still[20:37:42] <NathanW> that doesn't entirely delete everything[20:37:50] <NathanW> specifically, it leaves directories behind[20:38:06] <BeMonni> 100 directories in single app?[20:38:13] <BeMonni> :)[20:38:25] <NathanW> BeMonni: quite possibly[20:38:30] <NathanW> interesting[20:38:38] <NathanW> go to http://www.haiku-os.org[20:39:06] <BeMonni> I hope it works with Net+ or Lynx ;)[20:39:12] <NathanW> They're on a different machine from BeUnited now[20:39:18] <NathanW> Well, what's there will :P[20:39:27] *** badonawy has quit IRC[20:39:35] <BeMonni> pretty old version of Apache :o)[20:39:37] <Begasus> not mutch left there NathanW :([20:39:48] <BeMonni> Begasus: "much" ;)[20:39:57] <Begasus> bummer ..[20:40:09] <Begasus> and this time I thought I had it right ..[20:40:22] <BeMonni> hmm... line count in error log doesn't go up so fast anymore...[20:40:49] <NathanW> I'm glad they have different hosting[20:40:54] <NathanW> Maybe it won't die so much now[20:42:31] <BeMonni> hehe... still hate jam... I never know which target is the last one... it picks them totally randomly...[20:42:58] <NathanW> probably not totally randomly[20:43:08] <NathanW> and jam is great for bootstrapping projects[20:43:19] <NathanW> since it handles library deps transparently[20:43:34] <@Dr_Evil> BeMonni did you run ./configure first?[20:43:36] <BeMonni> lol.... I did run jam in 3 different directories and every single time it did build ISO9660 and UDF and forgot to compile what was in current directory ;)[20:43:43] <BeMonni> Evil: Yup...[20:43:52] <NathanW> It's just that whenever anyone touches OS.h, it has to rebuild the whole tree[20:44:12] <NathanW> That and it's super-slow to start[20:44:23] <BeMonni> yeah...[20:44:48] <BeMonni> that's why I have 4 Terminals open in 4 different directories ;)[20:44:49] <@Dr_Evil> BeMonni well, then you should compile the modified jam from src/tools/jam[20:45:00] <@Dr_Evil> it compiles the current directory[20:45:21] <BeMonni> Evil: I did... it works a little bit better than the old "OBOS" one, but still not bullet-proof[20:47:43] <BeMonni> I only used the old jam to build rc... and then I used make to build the newer jam[20:48:44] <BeMonni> then I had to hack LEX to be "flex" because it didn't find the definition anywhere[20:49:01] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[20:53:12] <[Beta]> evening.[20:56:01] <BeMonni> 5300 targets built[20:56:35] <Methe> maybe u'll have a preflet working with all that[20:56:41] * Methe runs to not get slapped[20:56:42] <Methe> :DDD[20:56:48] <Begasus> hehe[20:56:55] <Begasus> oops whas that my foot??[20:56:56] <BeMonni> lol... I already have Haiku Pulse running ;)[20:57:30] *** illissius- has quit IRC[20:58:26] <BeMonni> I guess if it took 3 days to edit 1600 targets, I might be finished before February 2005 ;)[20:58:27] *** illissius has joined #haiku[20:59:18] *** mmadia has joined #haiku[21:00:13] <@Dr_Evil> I'm rebuilding the whole tree right now, no problems so far[21:00:22] <@Dr_Evil> what compiler are you using BeMonni?[21:00:39] *** Koki has joined #haiku[21:00:49] <BeMonni> 2.95.3-beos-041111[21:01:07] <BeMonni> seems to be pretty strict in everything[21:01:51] <@Dr_Evil> ok, I still use 2.9-beos-000224[21:01:57] <BeMonni> like I have to use %hhx and not %x[21:02:27] <@Dr_Evil> however, if you fix things, better make small patches and send them to the list, instead not sending it at all[21:02:54] <BeMonni> I try to split it to individual file patches and zip it to single file[21:03:42] <BeMonni> but first I need to finish all the editing and make the big diff file[21:04:31] <BeMonni> some of the errors are caused because not all drivers and stuff know about new defines in Haiku and try to redefine them as different type[21:05:08] <BeMonni> so pretty many unsigned/signed mismatchs[21:06:22] <BeMonni> and a lot of errors caused by missing header files ;)[21:13:23] *** NathanW has quit IRC[21:19:02] <Begasus> going down for a while .. bbl[21:19:53] *** Begasus has quit IRC[21:20:47] *** Bengt has left #haiku[21:30:58] <@Dr_Evil> anyone knows how to fix this?[21:31:03] <@Dr_Evil> $ python cvs2svn[21:31:03] <@Dr_Evil> ERROR: your installation of Python does not contain a suitable[21:31:04] <@Dr_Evil> DBM module. This script cannot continue.[21:31:05] <@Dr_Evil> to solve: see http://python.org/doc/current/lib/module-anydbm.html[21:31:05] <@Dr_Evil> for details.[21:36:15] *** MikeW has quit IRC[21:56:48] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[22:01:33] *** MikeW has quit IRC[22:11:21] *** matricks_ has joined #haiku[22:17:48] *** FastJack has quit IRC[22:29:22] *** matricks has quit IRC[22:49:28] *** ConneX- has quit IRC[22:49:28] *** matricks_ has quit IRC[22:59:46] <[Beta]> Dr_Evil: fixed that problem yet ?[23:00:28] *** MikeW has joined #haiku[23:01:38] <@Dr_Evil> no[23:03:22] <Dr_Evil> [Beta] I have no idea how to fix it, never used python[23:04:12] <[Beta]> http://www.python.org/pypi?:action=display&name=MySQL-python&version=1.0.0[23:04:53] <[Beta]> try getting that module - cvs2svn needs a database connection - what dbs have you got access to ?[23:05:57] * [Beta] has never used Python either.. just had a dig in source of cvs2svn; fails if you only have dumbdbm & dbm mods[23:07:53] <@Dr_Evil> don't know, want to convert from sourceforge CVS to a dump file[23:11:12] *** gipfex has joined #haiku[23:27:48] *** Begasus has joined #haiku[23:40:00] *** RageMax has joined #haiku[23:56:22] *** Greyhawk_Dragon has joined #haiku