March 25, 2019 
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ZZZzzz…)[06:38:54] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:46:25] *** notchris <notchris!~notchris@c-73-16-120-84.hsd1.ct.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: notchris)[06:48:38] *** Tylak <Tylak!~Tylak@074-135-002-092.res.spectrum.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de)[06:58:17] *** corvidzz_ <corvidzz_!~corvidzz@70-59-133-37.ptld.qwest.net> has joined #gamedev[07:06:43] *** Beliar <Beliar!~Beliar@2a02:8108:9640:6c42:991e:3916:827:7bc9> has quit IRC (Quit: The only real mistake is the one from which we learn nothing)[07:10:02] *** aindilis <aindilis!~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[07:17:46] *** brainzap2 <brainzap2!~brainzap@217.22.129.78> has quit IRC (Quit: My tummy says it's time to sleep Mr. Bubbles.)[07:19:17] *** mr_lou <mr_lou!~misthalos@077213097222.dynamic.telenor.dk> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[07:20:45] *** aindilis <aindilis!~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net> has joined #gamedev[07:52:19] *** corvidzz_ <corvidzz_!~corvidzz@70-59-133-37.ptld.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal)[08:00:52] *** stefkos <stefkos!~Pawel@79.184.132.233.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl> has joined #gamedev[08:02:59] *** thomas_25 <thomas_25!~thomas_25@unaffiliated/thomas-25/x-0068438> has joined #gamedev[08:05:42] <jprajzne> https://twitter.com/RedHat/status/1108751905231196161 fedora 29 running games on gdc 2019 :)[08:24:04] *** NiniGeo2 <NiniGeo2!~DragonGeo@47.157.89.138> has joined #gamedev[08:28:58] *** DnzAtWrk <DnzAtWrk!~DnzAtWrk@mobile-access-6df024-144.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #gamedev[08:35:43] <jprajzne> https://www.protondb.com/ windows games that work on proton (wine fork)[08:43:30] <DnzAtWrk> imagine hearing that 50 years ago[08:43:44] <DnzAtWrk> the what now? windows games? what about wine and forks?[08:43:47] <NiniGeo2> :3[08:50:26] <sebbu> hum[08:50:38] <sebbu> aoe2hd works fine with normal wine[08:50:47] <sebbu> i played it on osx several years ago[09:04:18] <jprajzne> gaming on linux is getting slowly better[09:04:40] <jprajzne> am surprised that it even works on rhel :)[09:04:47] <jprajzne> not just fedora[09:11:46] *** BrahRah <BrahRah!~BrahRah@46.165.220.239> has joined #gamedev[09:14:09] <sebbu> i'm sure other listedd games are the same, they obviously works in proton because they works with normal/standard wine[09:16:12] *** kernel-sanders <kernel-sanders!~rts-sande@185.60.252.150> has joined #gamedev[09:27:54] *** rindolf <rindolf!~shlomif@77.126.109.232> has joined #gamedev[09:53:06] *** bnyio <bnyio!~bnyio@alcatraz.open-xchange.com> has joined #gamedev[10:11:19] *** Patzy <Patzy!~username@lfbn-1-1304-59.w86-253.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #gamedev[10:18:30] *** knops <knops!~yannick@ip-62-143-84-11.hsi01.unitymediagroup.de> has joined #gamedev[10:39:14] *** togo <togo!~togo@2a01:5c0:1a:c171:3ee7:9c4a:6828:3ea8> has joined #gamedev[10:44:53] *** bnyio <bnyio!~bnyio@alcatraz.open-xchange.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[10:45:32] *** bnyio <bnyio!~bnyio@alcatraz.open-xchange.com> has joined #gamedev[11:12:18] *** immibis <immibis!~immibis@125-238-72-168-fibre.sparkbb.co.nz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[11:25:01] *** brainzap <brainzap!~brainzap@77.208.14.46.static.wline.lns.sme.cust.swisscom.ch> has joined #gamedev[11:26:27] <brainzap> The most important question of the day is[11:29:07] <jprajzne> what the day is?[11:29:14] <brainzap> What to eat[11:29:37] <DnzAtWrk> the same thing as yesterday[11:29:44] <brainzap> ramen with coke[11:30:11] <DnzAtWrk> 300 grams of cabbage/carrots etc., cottage cheese, vegetable patties, greek yogurt, dip sauce, potato etc.[11:30:54] <brainzap> jsut dont overdo on the yoghurt[11:30:55] <kernel-sanders> you forgot the meat[11:30:57] <brainzap> my greek friend[11:31:04] <DnzAtWrk> the yogurt is about 150 kcal[11:31:42] <DnzAtWrk> Hey I eat meat sometimes. 300 grams of chicken[11:32:24] <brainzap> chicken is meat?[11:32:38] <brainzap> my vegan powers[11:33:39] <DnzAtWrk> I really hope this dip sauce powder isn't too unhealthy[11:33:44] <DnzAtWrk> since I eat it almost every day[11:33:49] <DnzAtWrk> it's only like 50 kcal[11:34:13] <brainzap> maybe it is radioactive[11:34:44] <DnzAtWrk> naw, I would have detected it[11:35:02] <DnzAtWrk> ok I don't actually scan my food but I could[11:39:20] <DnzAtWrk> consider this, list of entities with x,y + arbitrary number of properties[11:39:59] <DnzAtWrk> how would you design a fitness function which values interesting interactions[11:40:16] <kernel-sanders> maybe in the future they can mix chicken DNA with plant DNA so then chicken technically becomes vegan[11:41:23] <DnzAtWrk> needs more restrictions[11:41:54] <kernel-sanders> DnzAtWrk, interesting interactions?[11:41:59] <kernel-sanders> DnzAtWrk, for machine learning?[11:42:07] <DnzAtWrk> indeed[11:42:11] <kernel-sanders> DnzAtWrk, I've read some paper on novelty search[11:42:18] <jprajzne> i remember french fries w/ tzatziky 'diet' in greece :))[11:42:23] <DnzAtWrk> ooh, that sounds promising[11:43:23] <kernel-sanders> yeah it was weird too, some more efficient behaviors started evolving because of the novelty search[11:43:28] <DnzAtWrk> ah but you still need some type of definiton for novelty[11:43:31] <kernel-sanders> I don't really understand how that is possible[11:43:32] <DnzAtWrk> it's so difficult[11:43:45] <DnzAtWrk> I want something that evolves... something that makes sense and interacts[11:43:46] <kernel-sanders> yeah you need a way of saying: seen this crap before, or not[11:44:36] <kernel-sanders> you'd probably need a combination of goal driven and novelty search for the fitness[11:44:37] <DnzAtWrk> but I do think the entities require strictions. They should not be allowed to just change states entirely ferely[11:44:39] <DnzAtWrk> freely*[11:44:44] <DnzAtWrk> restrictions*[11:45:00] <DnzAtWrk> altough that would be amazing if you could evolve something from nothing[11:45:02] <kernel-sanders> yeah otherwise it's basically a brute for search that tries any random behavior[11:45:14] <kernel-sanders> DnzAtWrk, NEAT evolves from minimal structure[11:45:28] <kernel-sanders> I've been doing a hobby project on it myself[11:45:47] <DnzAtWrk> I was more aiming at genetic stack based programming[11:45:49] <DnzAtWrk> to evolve a program[11:46:06] <DnzAtWrk> one program per entity[11:46:10] <DnzAtWrk> but I need a point[11:46:34] <kernel-sanders> ok so you evolve instructions themselves instead of a neuron abstraction?[11:46:45] <kernel-sanders> this would yield more efficient results in theory[11:46:55] <DnzAtWrk> yes. You know of genetic programming right? The whole tree concept[11:47:00] <kernel-sanders> yeah[11:47:02] <DnzAtWrk> it's like that but a stack[11:47:07] <DnzAtWrk> easier to program[11:47:16] <kernel-sanders> I recently got a book about genetic programming, need to start reading it[11:47:39] <DnzAtWrk> entity = { x, y, symbol, color }[11:47:48] <DnzAtWrk> that could be the entity I guess[11:48:01] <DnzAtWrk> so they could be represented visually[11:48:44] <DnzAtWrk> one function could be: dist i, which pushes the distance to entity i into the stack[11:48:53] <DnzAtWrk> to promote interactions[11:49:17] *** _DB <_DB!68375605@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.55.86.5> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[11:49:23] <DnzAtWrk> basically, it's just one gene which has the value for dist[11:49:36] <DnzAtWrk> dist pops i out of the stack and pushes in the distance[11:49:41] <DnzAtWrk> extremely simple[11:51:32] <DnzAtWrk> but what in the would should the fitness be[11:51:36] <DnzAtWrk> world*[11:53:54] *** ZeroSystem <ZeroSystem!45f81b6b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.248.27.107> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[11:55:57] <DnzAtWrk> brb[11:56:00] *** DnzAtWrk <DnzAtWrk!~DnzAtWrk@mobile-access-6df024-144.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[12:06:13] *** Tylak <Tylak!~Tylak@074-135-002-092.res.spectrum.com> has joined #gamedev[12:22:37] *** DnzAtWrk <DnzAtWrk!~DnzAtWrk@mobile-access-6df024-144.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #gamedev[12:23:00] <DnzAtWrk> my demo is still not up on the js1k site :([12:23:28] <DnzAtWrk> though I'm a bit floored by the other submissions[12:23:34] <DnzAtWrk> https://js1k.com/2019-x/demo/4182[12:23:52] <DnzAtWrk> guess the c64 demoscene got involved[12:26:00] <jprajzne> DnzAtWrk: epilepsy warning[12:26:15] * kernel-sanders starts shaking, falls to ground[12:26:37] * DnzAtWrk uses a defibrillator on sanders[12:26:41] <DnzAtWrk> that's what they're for right?[12:26:54] * DarkUranium uses a tazer on DnzAtWrk[12:27:24] <DnzAtWrk> careful now or they'll sue you for trademark infringement[12:27:53] <kernel-sanders> lol I'm getting about 2 FPS on that[12:28:03] <DarkUranium> I'd say 7-12 on my end[12:28:12] <DnzAtWrk> ran fine on my home computer[12:28:12] <brainzap> I got 0[12:28:16] <jprajzne> i got that plus uncontrollable flickering[12:28:18] <DnzAtWrk> on my laptop I get video card crash[12:28:21] <DarkUranium> lol[12:28:27] <DarkUranium> brainzap, 0? O_o[12:28:34] <brainzap> I use Safari[12:29:04] <DnzAtWrk> aah, that explains everything[12:29:38] <DarkUranium> :D[12:29:39] <DnzAtWrk> btw. I had to completely redo my for each loop in the demo, since chrome couldn't handle it lol[12:29:43] <DarkUranium> Does Safari support WebGL?[12:30:07] <DnzAtWrk> chrome apparently hates .map(() => blahblah on hundreds of thousands of elements[12:30:10] <DnzAtWrk> firefox handles it just fine[12:30:12] <kernel-sanders> yeah I'm surprised that it actually runs better on firefox, usually it's the other way around[12:30:51] <DnzAtWrk> I did a complete test on all of this last week[12:30:55] <DnzAtWrk> let me just pull it out of my arse[12:31:55] <brainzap> just use a for loop bro[12:32:07] <DnzAtWrk> https://codepen.io/Donitz/pen/drrVma[12:32:11] <DnzAtWrk> it'll freeze your browser[12:32:13] <DnzAtWrk> for a while[12:34:05] <DnzAtWrk> oh screw you codepen[12:34:13] <DnzAtWrk> it stops the loop[12:34:17] <DnzAtWrk> whatever[12:34:31] <jprajzne> firefox gives warning[12:34:38] <DnzAtWrk> it always does that[12:34:52] <jprajzne> but it doesn't slow down really this time :))[12:35:01] <DnzAtWrk> reduced the elements to 1/4[12:35:42] <DnzAtWrk> the point is, use typed arrays[12:35:47] <DnzAtWrk> they are generally, sometimes MUCH, faster[12:36:30] <DnzAtWrk> oh you can't trust these results on codepen, I'm deleting it[12:38:01] *** mr_lou <mr_lou!~misthalos@077213097222.dynamic.telenor.dk> has joined #gamedev[12:38:30] *** knops <knops!~yannick@ip-62-143-84-11.hsi01.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[12:39:28] <DnzAtWrk> wait a second, this piece of garbage is also under 1k :D https://codepen.io/Donitz/pen/gZbbRZ[12:41:32] <DnzAtWrk> oh but it's shit, not going to just send in shit[13:09:25] *** _DB <_DB!6ccefbd9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.108.206.251.217> has joined #gamedev[13:14:48] *** atomekk <atomekk!~atomekk@unaffiliated/atomekk> has joined #gamedev[13:16:00] *** atomekk <atomekk!~atomekk@unaffiliated/atomekk> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:17:57] *** DaScoot <DaScoot!~Scooter@static-24-153-33-9.cpe.metrocast.net> has joined #gamedev[13:26:20] *** adamsky <adamsky!~quassel@178235186216.unknown.vectranet.pl> has joined #gamedev[13:54:11] *** Twipply <Twipply!~Twipply@unaffiliated/twipply> has joined #gamedev[13:54:34] *** R2robot <R2robot!~R2robot@unaffiliated/r2ro> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[14:09:20] *** unixfreak <unixfreak!~null@unaffiliated/unixfreak> has joined #gamedev[14:09:40] *** Tylak <Tylak!~Tylak@074-135-002-092.res.spectrum.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[14:19:37] *** R2robot <R2robot!~R2robot@unaffiliated/r2ro> has joined #gamedev[14:29:39] *** moldybits <moldybits!~mb@unaffiliated/moldybits> has joined #gamedev[14:35:25] *** notchris <notchris!~notchris@67.218.88.131> has joined #gamedev[14:39:12] *** [rg] <[rg]!~ricardo@67-204-254-48.eastlink.ca> has joined #gamedev[14:39:14] <notchris> mornin'[14:39:23] <[rg]> gday[14:39:52] <notchris> whats uppp[14:39:58] <[rg]> making tetris[14:40:18] <R2robot> buenas tardes[14:40:43] <[rg]> wondering if I just initialize new pieces to 0,0, and then move them over to the board[14:41:34] <notchris> hmm i mean[14:41:40] <notchris> depends if you reuse peices[14:44:50] *** warweasle <warweasle!user@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe26:d1db> has joined #gamedev[14:49:00] <warweasle> I did gamework this weekend.[14:49:07] <warweasle> I don't feel like I got much done.[14:50:09] *** freefork_afk is now known as freestyledork[14:51:40] <DarkUranium> warweasle, can't win 'em all. At least you got *some* done.[14:51:52] <DarkUranium> I should try doing the same you're doing, there's a game I'd really like to make.[14:51:58] *** pulse <pulse!~pulse@unaffiliated/pulse> has joined #gamedev[14:52:45] <R2robot> Some days you ease through miles of work, some days you fight for every inch.[14:55:32] <warweasle> I've been having some trouble with my turnInPlace animaqtions.[14:55:37] <warweasle> and typing.[14:56:14] <DarkUranium> typing?[14:56:23] <DarkUranium> As in, physical typing, or type system?[14:56:24] <warweasle> "animaqtions"[14:56:27] <DarkUranium> oh :P[14:56:46] <DarkUranium> That's easy, just prevent the player from turning in place :D[14:56:50] <DarkUranium> Fortunately, my own project is 2D.[14:57:04] <DarkUranium> Unfortunately, it's going to be a very CPU-heavy project, so I can't really use something like godot.[14:57:45] <warweasle> Oh, I am reading a book on screenwriting and I have some radical changes for my story.[14:57:57] <DarkUranium> I have no story :D[14:58:59] <DarkUranium> Anyhow, I'll need to load hundreds of MB of data into RAM and manipulate it. That'll be fun on performance.[14:59:10] <DarkUranium> My plan is to use mmap() for this.[14:59:28] *** perplexity <perplexity!~perplexed@unaffiliated/perplexity> has joined #gamedev[15:03:50] *** [rg] <[rg]!~ricardo@67-204-254-48.eastlink.ca> has left #gamedev[15:21:18] <notchris> same i did a bunch of gamedev this weekend[15:21:23] <notchris> mostly messing with 2d physics[15:22:30] <DnzAtWrk> like box2d?[15:23:11] *** RandomCouch <RandomCouch!~RandomSof@207.219.200.115> has joined #gamedev[15:28:57] <DarkUranium> notchris, do you only use JS or ...?[15:28:59] <DarkUranium> (I don't recall)[15:30:35] *** adamsky <adamsky!~quassel@178235186216.unknown.vectranet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)[15:30:51] *** adamsky <adamsky!~quassel@178235186216.unknown.vectranet.pl> has joined #gamedev[15:34:36] *** Twipply <Twipply!~Twipply@unaffiliated/twipply> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[15:35:13] *** toothlessg <toothlessg!~toothless@rrcs-24-103-153-67.nys.biz.rr.com> has joined #gamedev[15:35:35] *** Twipply <Twipply!~Twipply@unaffiliated/twipply> has joined #gamedev[15:42:50] *** adamsky <adamsky!~quassel@178235186216.unknown.vectranet.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[15:42:51] *** bnyio <bnyio!~bnyio@alcatraz.open-xchange.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[15:43:29] *** adamsky <adamsky!~quassel@public-gprs403247.centertel.pl> has joined #gamedev[15:43:50] *** bnyio <bnyio!~bnyio@alcatraz.open-xchange.com> has joined #gamedev[15:47:08] <R2robot> http://howtomarketagame.com/2019/03/24/the-best-slides-i-saw-at-gdc-2019/[15:50:02] <notchris> DarkUranium: Yea![15:50:13] <notchris> well nodejs / js[15:50:18] <notchris> and a bunch of libs[15:50:20] <DarkUranium> Pfft, web pleb :D[15:50:21] * DarkUranium ducks[15:50:54] *** freestyledork is now known as freefork_afk[15:52:45] <kernel-sanders> seems that here people use either js or C[15:53:01] * R2robot is using lua[15:53:12] <jprajzne> python, too[15:53:13] <sebbu> php[15:53:17] <sebbu> and c++[15:55:06] <DarkUranium> Probably way more use C++ than C.[15:56:17] <DaScoot> yeah, Unreal is C++, Unity is C#[15:56:21] <notchris> Heh I'm a web dev[15:56:23] * notchris shrugs[15:56:26] <notchris> and i get by[15:56:49] <notchris> i think https://notchris.net/3d/asteroids/[15:56:52] <notchris> came out decent[15:56:56] <R2robot> you do you, booboo[15:56:59] <notchris> :)[16:02:16] *** mandeep <mandeep!~mandeep@unaffiliated/mandeepb> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:03:32] *** freefork_afk is now known as freestyledork[16:11:25] *** unixfreak <unixfreak!~null@unaffiliated/unixfreak> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.4)[16:14:16] *** BrahRah <BrahRah!~BrahRah@46.165.220.239> has quit IRC (Quit: KVIrc 4.9.2 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/)[16:30:04] *** jprajzne <jprajzne!jprajzne@nat/redhat/x-nibreyucgcbdnoer> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[16:35:53] *** adamsky <adamsky!~quassel@public-gprs403247.centertel.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[16:36:12] *** adamsky <adamsky!~quassel@178235186216.unknown.vectranet.pl> has joined #gamedev[16:41:25] *** adamsky <adamsky!~quassel@178235186216.unknown.vectranet.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[16:44:47] *** atomekk <atomekk!~atomekk@unaffiliated/atomekk> has joined #gamedev[16:44:48] *** atomekk <atomekk!~atomekk@unaffiliated/atomekk> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:45:17] *** Tylak <Tylak!~Tylak@074-135-002-092.res.spectrum.com> has joined #gamedev[16:46:33] *** Tylak <Tylak!~Tylak@074-135-002-092.res.spectrum.com> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[16:53:55] *** bnyio <bnyio!~bnyio@alcatraz.open-xchange.com> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.4)[16:57:44] *** Tylak <Tylak!~Tylak@074-135-002-092.res.spectrum.com> has joined #gamedev[17:01:25] *** Kelzorz <Kelzorz!~Kelzorz@162.104.220.155> has joined #gamedev[17:08:01] *** sebbu <sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:09:37] *** sebbu <sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu> has joined #gamedev[17:10:10] *** brainzap <brainzap!~brainzap@77.208.14.46.static.wline.lns.sme.cust.swisscom.ch> has quit IRC (Quit: My tummy says it's time to sleep Mr. Bubbles.)[17:15:24] <DnzAtWrk> at decimal 762 of pi there are 6 nines in a row[17:17:16] *** notchris <notchris!~notchris@67.218.88.131> has quit IRC (Quit: notchris)[17:18:56] <sebbu> my monkeys wrote all of shakespear books after only 762 days on a keyboard[17:20:41] *** _DB <_DB!6ccefbd9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.108.206.251.217> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - 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Women came much after the the upper Cretaceous Period[18:15:30] <CarlaoBazuca> never heard about it[18:17:06] *** hahuang65 <hahuang65!~hahuang65@104-50-0-198.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[18:17:41] <warweasle> I don't know anything except the cover and I don't care. Slapping an ape-man with a shark while standing in the mouth of a T-Rex with giant robots and flying saucers watching, has to be my favorite way to die.[18:18:14] <warweasle> In my top 10 anyway.[18:21:59] *** freestyledork is now known as freefork_afk[18:22:57] *** freefork_afk is now known as freestyledork[18:31:22] *** Tylak <Tylak!~Tylak@074-135-002-092.res.spectrum.com> has joined #gamedev[18:39:49] <rindolf> warweasle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT3mCybbhf0[18:40:00] <brainzap> warweasle: I heard you will do some animation work today[18:42:34] <warweasle> brainzap: I hope so. I have a lot on my plate...[18:43:28] <brainzap> a game subscription service from apple[18:43:34] <Tylak> Monday dev frustration is in full effect :O[18:43:40] <brainzap> scrap your plans, time to make iOS gaes[18:43:49] <warweasle> No[18:44:53] <warweasle> Wow. All my characters in my game are villians. Which makes sense since they are vampires.[18:45:31] *** notchris <notchris!~notchris@c-73-16-120-84.hsd1.ct.comcast.net> has joined #gamedev[18:50:07] *** DnzAtWrk <DnzAtWrk!~DnzAtWrk@mobile-access-6df024-144.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:52:45] *** Oddity <Oddity!~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:53:19] <R2robot> Vampires can't be good guys?[18:53:25] <R2robot> RACIST![18:53:32] <R2robot> MONSTERIST*[18:54:16] <sebbu> +1[18:54:27] <sebbu> makes me want to watch dance in the vampire bund again[18:54:36] <sebbu> or play monmusu quest again[18:57:59] <sebbu> or watch monster musume no iru nichijou[18:58:00] <sebbu> :D[18:58:30] * brainzap sebbu has been banned (reason: weebs out)[19:02:02] <sebbu> :p[19:02:24] <sebbu> even zombies can be good guys, there's the izombie serie, there's the fido movie[19:03:25] *** LunarJetman2 <LunarJetman2!LunarJetma@5ec16e1a.skybroadband.com> has joined #gamedev[19:05:12] <warweasle> The crow?[19:07:07] *** solidfox <solidfox!~solidpizz@unaffiliated/snake/x-2550465> has joined #gamedev[19:08:04] *** Serpent7776 <Serpent7776!~Serpent77@90-156-31-193.internetia.net.pl> has joined #gamedev[19:08:21] *** rindolf <rindolf!~shlomif@77.126.109.232> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:08:34] <warweasle> two more hours and I can go home.[19:10:41] <brainzap> TICK TICK TICK[19:19:28] *** [Relic] <[Relic]!~Relic]@2602:306:33a3:6d30:81fd:ffb2:d4f8:f5a5> has joined #gamedev[19:19:41] <brainzap> Thank god there are vampires, without them Humans would be the most evil thing[19:22:59] *** freestyledork is now known as freefork_afk[19:23:37] *** ragecryx <ragecryx!~ragecryx@2a02:2149:842a:e300:fc2c:ccc9:9074:1427> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[19:24:01] <warweasle> brainzap: Yes, that's why vampires operate out in the open...[19:24:14] *** refsw2 <refsw2!~refsw@80.150.130.51> has quit IRC (Quit: refsw2)[19:24:36] *** pulse <pulse!~pulse@unaffiliated/pulse> has joined #gamedev[19:33:35] *** toxictype <toxictype!~Akira@balticom-189-98.balticom.lv> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:37:11] *** deiive <deiive!~alystar@c-98-252-1-155.hsd1.de.comcast.net> has joined #gamedev[19:37:41] *** xen74 <xen74!~xen74@2001:44b8:2e3:9b00:dc1b:4217:eab2:e59e> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:38:34] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@c-98-252-1-155.hsd1.de.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[19:40:00] *** hahuang65 <hahuang65!~hahuang65@104-50-0-198.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net> has joined #gamedev[19:50:42] <DaScoot> man is the real monster; advice to live by[19:51:19] <DaScoot> I remember playing the Dead Space games, after you get enough upgrades I felt like I was the monster stalking in the dark and the weird fleshy things needed to be afraid of me[19:51:46] *** Oddity <Oddity!~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity> has joined #gamedev[19:55:09] *** mandeep <mandeep!~mandeep@unaffiliated/mandeepb> has joined #gamedev[19:55:17] <brainzap> that would be a funny twist to a horror game[19:58:52] <pulse> does anyone here understand fixed timestep loops with interpolation in detail[19:59:38] <notchris> i like turtles[20:00:10] <pulse> am i doing this right https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SfSzryZ32Z/[20:00:28] <pulse> i've been trying to do a perfect game loop[20:00:33] <brainzap> the goal is to have smooth movements[20:00:38] <pulse> it works better than the naive fixed timestep... i think[20:00:48] <pulse> but there's still some leftover jerky movement here and there[20:01:06] <pulse> not really sure i'm doing everything correctly[20:01:08] <brainzap> you have to save the transitions and continue previous[20:01:20] <brainzap> *transform[20:01:23] <pulse> yeah i'm doing that[20:01:33] <brainzap> ah ok then I would just give up[20:01:34] <pulse> before each update i do prevSpritePos = spritePos;[20:01:37] <pulse> brainzap, LOL[20:01:51] <pulse> the lerp is this part: static_cast<int>(spritePos.x * alpha + prevSpritePos.x * (1.f - alpha) + 0.5f)[20:02:00] <pulse> i think that part is correct i'm not sure if the overall code is tho[20:02:18] <pulse> and why is it so hard to make a good game loop, anyway[20:02:44] <brainzap> test it[20:02:47] *** refsw <refsw!~refsw@80.150.130.51> has joined #gamedev[20:03:44] <pulse> it seems to be working idk[20:04:20] <pulse> i'll go bother #SDL[20:07:07] *** mandeep <mandeep!~mandeep@unaffiliated/mandeepb> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:12:53] <brainzap> test it in slow mo[20:14:36] *** kriskropd <kriskropd!~kriskropd@unaffiliated/kriskropd> has joined #gamedev[20:15:04] <pulse> it seems to work idk[20:15:11] <pulse> it's hard to tell if i got it right[20:16:26] <Donitzo> 1.f and 0.5f[20:16:28] <Donitzo> hmmm[20:16:37] <Donitzo> off with his head[20:16:50] *** freefork_afk is now known as freestyledork[20:19:41] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@c-98-252-1-155.hsd1.de.comcast.net> has joined #gamedev[20:20:44] *** deiive <deiive!~alystar@c-98-252-1-155.hsd1.de.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[20:25:24] *** adamsky <adamsky!~quassel@178235186216.unknown.vectranet.pl> has joined #gamedev[20:32:38] <R2robot> https://twitter.com/RyanAbe/status/1106276540676034561[20:34:58] <pulse> lol[20:35:16] <pulse> brilliant[20:37:32] *** warweasle <warweasle!user@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe26:d1db> has quit IRC (Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.4.1)[20:39:11] <R2robot> :D[20:39:15] <R2robot> bring on the clones![20:43:54] *** immibis <immibis!~immibis@125-238-72-168-fibre.sparkbb.co.nz> has joined #gamedev[20:45:00] *** adamsky <adamsky!~quassel@178235186216.unknown.vectranet.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[20:46:31] *** adamsky <adamsky!~quassel@178235186216.unknown.vectranet.pl> has joined #gamedev[20:53:41] *** grim001 <grim001!~grim001@ip70-189-228-129.lv.lv.cox.net> has joined #gamedev[20:57:25] <notchris> https://fonts.google.com/[21:09:26] <CarlaoBazuca> <3[21:09:58] <R2robot> been using orbitron font from there for some time. Very robot like :D[21:10:26] *** immibis <immibis!~immibis@125-238-72-168-fibre.sparkbb.co.nz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[21:17:13] <sebbu> droid sans mono[21:19:22] <R2robot> https://snag.gy/4Wawdv.jpg[21:20:03] <R2robot> it's like it was made just for me :D[21:22:47] *** solidfox <solidfox!~solidpizz@unaffiliated/snake/x-2550465> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:33:18] *** DaScoot <DaScoot!~Scooter@static-24-153-33-9.cpe.metrocast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Bye)[21:33:50] *** rindolf <rindolf!~shlomif@77.126.109.232> has joined #gamedev[21:33:57] <rindolf> hi all[21:35:47] *** toothlessg <toothlessg!~toothless@rrcs-24-103-153-67.nys.biz.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:38:49] * CarlaoBazuca rides rindolf[21:39:10] <rindolf> CarlaoBazuca: sup?[21:39:14] <CarlaoBazuca> :)[21:43:43] <mijowh> https://imgur.com/a/lnJVYgp[21:46:31] <R2robot> lol[21:47:24] *** freestyledork is now known as freefork_afk[21:47:28] *** freefork_afk is now known as freestyledork[21:51:56] <R2robot> little did they know, we'd all have one that fits in our pockets and gives us access to almost all knowledge of human-kind in an instant... and we use them to post cat pictures and argue with strangers. :D[21:53:34] <mijowh> a strange new world[21:54:07] <sebbu> was she sold with the computer ?[21:56:59] *** Serpent7776 <Serpent7776!~Serpent77@90-156-31-193.internetia.net.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[21:59:06] <rindolf> mijowh: heh[22:02:02] *** ShadowIce <ShadowIce!~pyoro@unaffiliated/shadowice-x841044> has joined #gamedev[22:10:13] *** Beliar <Beliar!~Beliar@2a02:8108:9640:6c42:285a:2f33:a3ac:55a> has quit IRC (Quit: The only real mistake is the one from which we learn nothing)[22:20:06] *** Kelzorz <Kelzorz!~Kelzorz@162.104.220.155> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[22:20:27] *** notchris <notchris!~notchris@c-73-16-120-84.hsd1.ct.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: notchris)[22:23:18] *** RandomCouch <RandomCouch!~RandomSof@207.219.200.115> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[22:25:55] *** Kelzorz <Kelzorz!~Kelzorz@162.104.220.155> has joined #gamedev[22:29:13] <mijowh> when you dont eat your pancakes fast enough and they absorb all the syrup[22:29:16] <mijowh> ~[22:29:40] <R2robot> so good[22:30:02] <mijowh> you think? i hate when they get like that. its like soggy cereal[22:30:16] <R2robot> soggy cereal is grosssss[22:30:21] <R2robot> soggy pancakes are soooo gooood[22:30:24] <mijowh> lol[22:30:29] <mijowh> to each their own[22:30:31] <R2robot> because they don't really get soggy.. :D[22:30:37] <mijowh> well yeah[22:30:38] <R2robot> just like.. soaked. :D[22:50:25] *** Tylak <Tylak!~Tylak@074-135-002-092.res.spectrum.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de)[22:51:19] *** ZeroSystem <ZeroSystem!45f81b6b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.248.27.107> has joined #gamedev[22:52:37] *** peltre_ <peltre_!sid268329@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bvxuaxinhbrztrpf> has quit IRC ()[23:04:31] *** Tylak <Tylak!~Tylak@074-135-002-092.res.spectrum.com> has joined #gamedev[23:05:09] *** peltre <peltre!sid268329@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-huzmhcqpdbvfmjwt> has joined #gamedev[23:19:42] *** stefkos <stefkos!~Pawel@79.184.132.233.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:27:32] *** SolderBlob <SolderBlob!~SolderBlo@095-097-091-123.static.chello.nl> has joined #gamedev[23:28:08] *** rindolf <rindolf!~shlomif@77.126.109.232> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:29:43] *** rindolf <rindolf!~rindolf@77.126.109.232> has joined #gamedev[23:30:23] *** ShadowIce <ShadowIce!~pyoro@unaffiliated/shadowice-x841044> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:33:43] *** SolderBlob1 <SolderBlob1!~SolderBlo@185.217.171.67> has joined #gamedev[23:33:52] *** SolderBlob <SolderBlob!~SolderBlo@095-097-091-123.static.chello.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:34:34] *** adamsky <adamsky!~quassel@178235186216.unknown.vectranet.pl> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:41:54] <LastTalon> Bored.[23:44:11] <pulse> review my game loop https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xMmMtgNvz2/[23:47:18] <CarlaoBazuca> ok[23:47:23] <CarlaoBazuca> SDL :([23:47:53] <R2robot> SDL! \o/[23:47:53] <CarlaoBazuca> the update loop is explicitly exposing the movement behavior of your sprite[23:48:44] <CarlaoBazuca> application.Init(); // remove this crap and move it to the Application constructor itself[23:48:45] <LastTalon> Also temporal cohesion.[23:48:56] <LastTalon> ^^[23:49:06] <CarlaoBazuca> same for Unload() // move it to Application's destructor[23:49:12] <LastTalon> No need for init run unload in sequence.[23:49:40] <CarlaoBazuca> if (std::isgreater(frame_time, 0.25))[23:49:40] <CarlaoBazuca> {[23:49:40] <CarlaoBazuca> frame_time = 0.25;[23:49:40] <CarlaoBazuca> }[23:49:42] <CarlaoBazuca> EEEHHH[23:50:54] <pulse> CarlaoBazuca, this is just a testcase don't pay attention to anything that isn't core logic xD[23:50:56] <CarlaoBazuca> pulse, replace #defines with actual constants[23:51:00] <pulse> again[23:51:02] <pulse> :d[23:51:02] <LastTalon> Why a do while loop rather than a while loop?[23:51:13] <pulse> because it will run at least once anyway[23:51:15] <pulse> it's cuter that way[23:51:22] <LastTalon> That's a bad reason.[23:51:46] <pulse> CarlaoBazuca, about the frame_time 0.25 thing, i'm following this tutorial: https://gafferongames.com/post/fix_your_timestep/[23:51:53] <CarlaoBazuca> use normal operators instead of std::crap[23:51:56] <pulse> he does the same thing[23:52:20] <pulse> CarlaoBazuca, i've also been reading about floating point alignment errors and most folks recomment std methods[23:52:29] <CarlaoBazuca> kill these folks[23:52:31] <pulse> hmm where did i bookmark that article[23:52:44] <CarlaoBazuca> replace lines 118 and 119 with return; :)[23:53:12] <LastTalon> pulse, your frame calculation is about halfway to a good one.[23:53:30] <LastTalon> Consider what will happen if you can't keep up with the framerate though.[23:53:38] <pulse> hmm yeah[23:55:27] <LastTalon> Why is it okay for you to break on your inner loop, but you care about safely exiting your outer loop?[23:55:29] <rindolf> man, it is cold now[23:56:22] <pulse> LastTalon, doesn't matter, it could return at that point[23:56:32] *** SolderBlob <SolderBlob!~SolderBlo@212.103.50.52> has joined #gamedev[23:56:39] <pulse> this is just a quick testcase i cobbled up to test the loop[23:56:49] <pulse> it works reasonably well but it still jitters every now and then[23:56:59] <pulse> somewhat better results than without interpolation though[23:57:05] <CarlaoBazuca> for( ;; ) { auto timePoint = chrono::high_resolution_clock::now(); timePoint += chrono::milliseconds(frameTime); app.processMessages(); if( gameLogic(frameTime) ) break; renderLogic(imageCanvas,renderRect); std::this_thread::sleep_until(timePoint); }[23:57:24] <pulse> basically i'm wondering if the timing and interpolation parts are done correctly[23:57:31] <CarlaoBazuca> gameLogic() returns true when it is time to quit[23:58:13] <pulse> it really doesn't matter much if that last frame is repainted before quit xD[23:58:19] <pulse> trivial at best[23:58:38] <pulse> i guess it should return though yeah[23:58:43] <pulse> unless you have some cleanup code after the loop[23:58:47] <pulse> which you probably shouldn't have anyway[23:58:52] <pulse> but that's beside the point[23:58:56] <CarlaoBazuca> app.processMessages(); is from die-tk. it processes all fired events[23:59:06] <CarlaoBazuca> (sue me, Delphi writers)[23:59:08] <pulse> i want to write the interpolation/fixed framerate loop correctly[23:59:16] *** SolderBlob1 <SolderBlob1!~SolderBlo@185.217.171.67> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[23:59:16] <pulse> but i find very scattered resources online and some are contradictory[23:59:29] <pulse> and it's impossible to debug a game loop without doing science[23:59:33] <pulse> so idk what to do now[23:59:42] <CarlaoBazuca> pulse, you need to observe the results and be satisfied with them[23:59:44] <pulse> i should test it a bunch i guess[23:59:47] <pulse> CarlaoBazuca, hmm[23:59:50] <CarlaoBazuca> for most of the cases, my silly game loop works