January 23, 2019 
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<aindilis!~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[02:57:15] <dexterfoo> blender is super easy to install without a package, directly from their download page the linux .tar.bz2 file. just extract it anywhere and run ./blender[03:07:04] *** infinii <infinii!~infinee@061093245022.static.ctinets.com> has joined #gamedev[03:09:49] *** aindilis <aindilis!~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net> has joined #gamedev[03:12:51] *** freestyledork is now known as freefork_afk[03:13:50] *** pulse <pulse!~pulse@unaffiliated/pulse> has quit IRC (Quit: i like big sprites and i cannot lie, these other games cant deny)[03:15:40] *** kraybit <kraybit!~kraybit@46.230.215.62> has joined #gamedev[03:17:27] *** refsw3 <refsw3!~refsw@80.150.130.51> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[03:19:38] *** RoadKillGrill <RoadKillGrill!~RoadKillG@cpe-24-166-114-198.neo.res.rr.com> has joined #gamedev[03:20:47] *** [Brain] 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(Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[12:30:36] <dostoyevsky> i did an EEVEE tutorial earlier[12:31:03] <dostoyevsky> but then blender 2.80 crashed on me[12:31:22] *** idiot137 <idiot137!~user@188.113.86.228> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[12:33:00] *** idiot137 <idiot137!~user@188.113.86.228> has joined #gamedev[12:44:12] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[12:44:45] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has joined #gamedev[12:47:52] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:00:38] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@c-98-252-1-155.hsd1.de.comcast.net> has joined #gamedev[13:02:01] *** ZeroSystem <ZeroSystem!45f81b6b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.248.27.107> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[13:08:08] *** swebb <swebb!~swebb@161.97.198.243> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[13:09:13] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@c-98-252-1-155.hsd1.de.comcast.net> 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Thinking about picking it up if I can get C# support to work[15:13:19] *** Twipply <Twipply!~Twipply@unaffiliated/twipply> has joined #gamedev[15:22:11] *** solidfox <solidfox!~solidfox@unaffiliated/snake/x-2550465> has joined #gamedev[15:22:28] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has joined #gamedev[15:22:39] <jlebrech> R2robot: wow, raylib is pretty[15:28:59] *** mobile_c <mobile_c!~mobile_c@2405:7f00:8a15:5300:4333:1d32:290e:e4c> has quit IRC (Excess Flood)[15:29:43] *** mobile_c <mobile_c!~mobile_c@2405:7f00:8a15:5300:4333:1d32:290e:e4c> has joined #gamedev[15:37:56] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@c-98-252-1-155.hsd1.de.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[15:41:43] <R2robot> :)[15:42:47] *** DnzAtWrk <DnzAtWrk!~DnzAtWrk@mobile-access-6df081-139.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[15:50:26] <jlebrech> it looks like pretty clean C code.[15:50:52] <LastTalon> Whats raylib?[15:50:58] <LastTalon> Is it a graphics api?[15:51:12] <jlebrech> https://www.raylib.com/examples.html[15:51:16] *** warweasle <warweasle!user@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe26:d1db> has quit IRC (Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.4.1)[15:51:43] <jlebrech> seems decent, doing some pygame atm tho[15:51:46] <LastTalon> So yea?[15:51:57] <LastTalon> It looks like a graphics api.[15:53:41] <LastTalon> Oh. It has audio, too.[15:53:52] <LastTalon> I like the lua bindings[15:53:52] <jlebrech> just missing physics library[15:54:08] <LastTalon> Well that is why I called it a graphics api.[15:54:21] <LastTalon> Textures, shaders, models, materials[15:54:25] <LastTalon> Also some audio[15:54:54] <jlebrech> simple games can be done with homemade physics i guess[15:56:34] <LastTalon> I really like projects that are good at telling me what they are.[15:57:44] <LastTalon> Idk why, but a lot of projects don't seem to do this.[15:59:36] <LastTalon> Who the hell cloned my repository?[15:59:53] <jlebrech> you could use raylib with bullet i think[16:00:02] <LastTalon> 3 Unique cloners[16:00:17] <LastTalon> >.>[16:00:22] * LastTalon has become paranoid[16:01:10] <R2robot> issa good thing though[16:01:26] <R2robot> unless it's the aliens cloning[16:01:36] <LastTalon> I suppose. Its just really weird because I haven't talked about it anywhere and I haven't published it anywhere.[16:01:44] <LastTalon> They must have found it directly through github.[16:02:06] <R2robot> what is it?[16:02:08] <DarkUranium> jlebrech, one thing that bothers me about it is no prefix.[16:02:20] <DarkUranium> We know from libs like WinAPI how that's a bad idea <_<[16:02:23] <LastTalon> Its a chrome extension I've been messing around with.[16:02:31] <DarkUranium> Wouldn't cost much to have a two-letter prefix like 'rl'.[16:02:35] <LastTalon> Displays anchor links by thing that have been given an ID.[16:03:22] <R2robot> ohh[16:03:54] <jlebrech> DarkUranium: can't you make a header file that aliases clashes to something else?[16:04:14] <DarkUranium> jlebrech, with a shit-ton of #defines you could, but that'd be ... odd.[16:04:26] <DarkUranium> It reminds me of my own lib.[16:04:31] <DarkUranium> Though mine was higher-level.[16:05:08] <jlebrech> guess if you only have this and bullet as dependency it should give you name clashes[16:05:20] <jlebrech> shouldn't*[16:05:42] <DarkUranium> I prefer Chipmunk, myself.[16:06:10] <LastTalon> Why do people care about my unfinished chrome extension with a one sentence readme file and no other explanation? D:<[16:06:15] <jlebrech> 2d tho?[16:07:05] <DarkUranium> jlebrech, didn't realize you meant 3D.[16:07:21] <DarkUranium> I've never tried it, but apparently ODE is lovely (and definitely more stable).[16:07:25] *** cantelope <cantelope!~cantelope@245.sub-174-215-49.myvzw.com> has joined #gamedev[16:07:31] <DarkUranium> Only issue is its performance, as nobody went in to do the OpenCL stuff and such.[16:08:19] *** mobile_c_ <mobile_c_!~mobile_c@2405:7f00:8811:9800:4a4b:a682:fec6:16e6> has joined #gamedev[16:08:21] *** mobile_c <mobile_c!~mobile_c@2405:7f00:8a15:5300:4333:1d32:290e:e4c> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:08:24] <R2robot> LastTalon: used as a starter template?[16:08:36] <jlebrech> guess if you're just stopping collision you could just place load of spheres in meshes. and do it yourself[16:09:23] * CaffeineNicotine wants to remember the name of a Game that was around the same time as Diablo II. The game style was similar, but it was top down perspective, 1 or 2 players max and you only had a choice of a warrior or a mage.[16:09:36] <CaffeineNicotine> There was a map where you could pick missions too.[16:11:29] <DarkUranium> CaffeineNicotine, /r/tipofmyjoystick (yeah, they didn't really think that name through)[16:11:54] <CaffeineNicotine> I don't get it. you want me to go to a reddit page?[16:11:59] <DarkUranium> Yes.[16:12:12] <CaffeineNicotine> thanks, but I don't have an account :)[16:12:43] * CaffeineNicotine can only post in IRC channels and Facebook[16:13:55] <R2robot> i believe /r/tipofmypenis is a thing as well.. to help find the porn you're thinking about lol[16:14:42] <jlebrech> CaffeineNicotine: gauntlet?[16:21:22] <jlebrech> or this https://www.gog.com/game/nox[16:22:47] <LastTalon> Eww facebook[16:22:54] <LastTalon> :P[16:22:56] <LastTalon> R2robot, possibly.[16:23:22] *** aly777 <aly777!~kes777@2601:148:4200:36c7:3c63:b2d8:308e:57be> has joined #gamedev[16:23:45] <LastTalon> Every once in a while a website wants me to "identify with facebook"[16:24:35] <R2robot> fook taht[16:25:19] <R2robot> I haven't logged into facebook in a few years[16:25:49] <R2robot> and I never use apps/sites that only have facebook logins as an option. I'll always go with plain email sign ups[16:26:10] <LastTalon> Neither do I.[16:26:25] <LastTalon> But some that have a normal login will still ask you to "identify with facebook"[16:26:53] *** alldayevery <alldayevery!~alldayeve@pool-74-105-120-154.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net> has joined #gamedev[16:27:04] <R2robot> I hate that instagram (owned by facebook now) keeps suggesting facebook friends. I even have a 2nd insta account I wanted to keep completely separate and it keeps cross suggesting friends.[16:28:15] <R2robot> LastTalon: to make it easier to share stuff?[16:28:20] <LastTalon> I don't really like instagram or snapchat either.[16:28:36] <R2robot> snapchat is an abomination. lol[16:29:05] <R2robot> one of THE worst UIs I've ever experienced.. and they somehow managed to make it worse and upset people. lol[16:29:07] <LastTalon> Also I'm a bit confused by react as well.[16:29:17] <LastTalon> To me it just looks like something that's been done since... forever.[16:29:22] <LastTalon> Why must I use react specifically?[16:29:39] <R2robot> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯[16:30:16] * R2robot uses insta to post pics of bugs and stuff. lol[16:30:18] <R2robot> no selfies[16:30:19] <LastTalon> "I have this thing I need to make. It MUST be developed with react." Y tho?[16:30:37] <LastTalon> Its not developed yet.[16:30:40] <LastTalon> Green fields and all that[16:31:00] <R2robot> JS people... so weird. :P[16:31:29] <LastTalon> I agree[16:31:31] <LastTalon> :P[16:32:11] <LastTalon> I use twitter for that.[16:32:26] <LastTalon> Instagram always seemed like twitter, but for people who really like pictures[16:32:42] <R2robot> basically[16:32:57] <LastTalon> But what happens when I just want to say something normally? :P[16:33:03] <R2robot> twitter :)[16:33:12] <LastTalon> So just use twitter for the pictures. D:<[16:33:20] <LastTalon> Twitter supports pictures.[16:33:33] <R2robot> yeah, but its not the same (to me)[16:33:43] <LastTalon> Lol[16:34:06] <R2robot> then again, I've been using twitter since 2007.. and still kinda use it as it was originally intended[16:34:34] <R2robot> back when the prompt was: "what are you doing?"[16:34:39] *** solidfox <solidfox!~solidfox@unaffiliated/snake/x-2550465> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.3)[16:34:43] <LastTalon> Eating ramen[16:34:46] <R2robot> now it's a completely different animal[16:34:48] <CaffeineNicotine> jlebrech, definitely not Gauntlet. how it could be? :D[16:34:57] <CaffeineNicotine> Nox is closer (timewise and style), but it is not it[16:35:02] <CaffeineNicotine> thanks anyway. Nox looks pretty good[16:35:04] <R2robot> LastTalon: haha, that was the bulk of tweets back in the day :D[16:35:43] <CaffeineNicotine> one spell that I used a lot in that game was a "wall of earth"[16:35:57] <CaffeineNicotine> a big wall emerged on front of me to block incoming enemies[16:36:26] <CaffeineNicotine> I loved that game as a diablo alternative[16:36:49] <LastTalon> Put too much salt in my ramen. 😂[16:37:38] <LastTalon> All those haters never respond to my tweets.[16:37:40] <LastTalon> :P[16:38:02] <LastTalon> @ me[16:38:18] <R2robot> :D[16:40:37] <jlebrech> it could be anything, only on DOS? or windows?[16:40:44] <R2robot> LastTalon: there was a twitter app that posted tweets from your fist day. Pretty hilarious[16:40:53] <R2robot> embarrassing too[16:43:16] *** grouse <grouse!~grouse@83-233-9-2.cust.bredband2.com> has joined #gamedev[16:43:25] <LastTalon> Lol[16:44:02] <LastTalon> CaffeineNicotine, you talking about torchlight?[16:48:29] <CaffeineNicotine> hmm lemme check[16:48:46] <CaffeineNicotine> 2009. no[16:48:51] <CaffeineNicotine> I've said Diablo II time[16:49:07] <LastTalon> Okay.[16:49:12] <CaffeineNicotine> so no later than 2001[16:49:18] <LastTalon> Well I didn't know that.[16:49:27] <LastTalon> :/[16:49:40] <jlebrech> Baldur's gate: dark alliance[16:49:48] <jlebrech> but it was 3d with top down[16:49:50] <CaffeineNicotine> lol[16:49:56] <LastTalon> You could probably ask elsewhere.[16:50:05] <CaffeineNicotine> * CaffeineNicotine wants to remember the name of a Game that was around the same time as Diablo II. The game style was similar, but it was top down perspective, 1 or 2 players max and you only had a choice of a warrior or a mage.[16:50:12] <LastTalon> Its not like any of us came here to try and guess what game you're thinking of.[16:50:31] <jlebrech> also for PC, could be any guy in his basement's game[16:50:34] <CaffeineNicotine> LastTalon, I was clear in my question. if you don't know, it is ok. but please don't come up with this silly lecturing. thanks[16:50:54] <LastTalon> CaffeineNicotine, and not everyone is centered solely around your question.[16:51:13] <CaffeineNicotine> hmm could it be Darkstone?...[16:51:13] <LastTalon> You don't have to be a dick.[16:51:18] <CaffeineNicotine> you were a dick[16:51:24] <CaffeineNicotine> I was just talking about games[16:51:31] <jlebrech> it needs to be narrowed down: dos/windows, 2d sprites or 3d?[16:51:39] <CaffeineNicotine> top down, 2d sprites[16:51:43] <LastTalon> You're the one expecting the entire channel to center around your question and know what your question was.[16:51:46] <CaffeineNicotine> LastTalon, fuck off[16:52:24] <CaffeineNicotine> diablo II was windows, so I believe this game was windows too[16:52:46] <CaffeineNicotine> did we still have MS-DOS games in 1999?[16:53:03] <jlebrech> are you sure about how top down it was?[16:53:03] <CaffeineNicotine> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Exp3iQsac that looks pretty similar[16:53:05] <LastTalon> This channel really is turning into ##programming[16:53:21] <R2robot> :([16:53:29] <CaffeineNicotine> :( indeed[16:53:50] <LastTalon> Try to fucking enter a conversation and people act like they're the center of the fucking universe.[16:53:51] <CaffeineNicotine> jlebrech, I am inclined to think it was DarkStone. I gonna look for more videos and images of it[16:54:08] <CaffeineNicotine> are you still whining, LastTalon ? you should have stopped when you had a chance[16:54:32] <LastTalon> You should fucking stop. You're the one acting like a twat because someone tried to help you[16:55:09] <LastTalon> That's the way people in ##programming act[16:55:52] <R2robot> https://www.geekwire.com/2017/u-s-navy-swapping-38000-periscope-joysticks-30-xbox-controllers-high-tech-submarines/[16:56:10] <LastTalon> R2robot, lol. Sounds about right.[16:56:16] <pulse> lol[16:56:40] <LastTalon> Don't drones also use game controllers?[16:57:46] <R2robot> if not, they probably should[16:58:06] <LastTalon> Pretty sure I remember reading about some that do that.[16:59:07] <LastTalon> Makes you think of wargames[17:01:48] <CaffeineNicotine> jlebrech, any games similar to DarkStone that rings you a bell? :)[17:01:55] <CaffeineNicotine> no later than 2001[17:02:42] *** knops <knops!~yannick@ip-62-143-84-11.hsi01.unitymediagroup.de> has joined #gamedev[17:03:02] <CaffeineNicotine> DarkUranium, searching the reddit category actually helped. thanks :)[17:03:19] <jlebrech> closest i could think of was dark alliance sorry[17:03:25] <CaffeineNicotine> lemme check this one[17:03:40] <CaffeineNicotine> (getting similar games is also a good thing too) :) :) :)[17:03:58] <CaffeineNicotine> ahh baldur's gate. lol[17:04:13] <jlebrech> dark alliance was really good but they cut it in half to make a sequel, and the sequel sucked[17:04:35] <CaffeineNicotine> I played baldur's gate I and II. but not much. how is Dark Alliance in the order of sequels?[17:06:31] <jlebrech> it's a spin off action rpg[17:06:43] <CaffeineNicotine> ahhh[17:06:45] <jlebrech> with only 2 or 3 character to choose from[17:06:54] <CaffeineNicotine> perhaps it could be better. I've found the RPGs too boring[17:06:59] <CaffeineNicotine> 2 was less boring than 1[17:07:07] <jlebrech> there's also divine divinity but doesn't fit your requirements[17:09:20] <CaffeineNicotine> hmm DarkStone really looks good and mostly fits what I was expecting, but I remember the player could only choose a warrior or a mage. damn it!!![17:09:59] <CaffeineNicotine> should I give up and accept that reddit can be useful sometimes? :-/[17:11:01] <CaffeineNicotine> yeah! the screen in DarkStone is rotating. there was no screen rotation in my game. why did I only like crappy underdog games? :o/[17:11:28] <DaScoot> allegorithmic's been bought by adobe[17:12:23] <jlebrech> there are a bunch of ultimas and heroes of might an magic too[17:12:36] <CaffeineNicotine> yeah! I love all them <3[17:13:14] <jlebrech> they all had differeing engines, one could be the one you're looking for, for example heroes 5[17:14:45] <Cahaan> the best heroes were the 2d ones though[17:14:53] <Cahaan> heroes 2,3,4 imho[17:15:12] <Cahaan> some charisma was lost with 3d[17:15:36] <CaffeineNicotine> hehehe Heroes V was a flop[17:15:38] <jlebrech> yeah, it went fugly[17:15:41] <CaffeineNicotine> the worst version ever[17:15:53] <CaffeineNicotine> HoMM III is the best. unquestionably[17:15:57] <CaffeineNicotine> HoMM IV was fun.[17:16:14] <CaffeineNicotine> HoMM V was a dumb attempt of remaking HoMM III with the worst possible 3D engine ever[17:16:20] <CaffeineNicotine> the battles take forever[17:16:54] <CaffeineNicotine> did you know that they fired the whole dev team in the middle of the development of HoMM V ?[17:17:20] <CaffeineNicotine> they were trying to make a better version of HoMM IV (which was not bad... just needed some more design fixes)[17:17:44] <CaffeineNicotine> the (new) management just shouted "WE NEED 3D!". then they replaced the whole dev team :D[17:18:06] <CaffeineNicotine> Cahaan, Heroes 2 was also great[17:18:24] <CaffeineNicotine> fucking unbalanced, but it had its appeal[17:18:26] <CaffeineNicotine> GHOSTS[17:18:34] <CaffeineNicotine> (boo)[17:21:28] *** zhalla <zhalla!~zhalla@2001:8a0:56a5:3d00:45e3:b154:e51d:38bf> has quit IRC (Changing host)[17:21:29] *** zhalla <zhalla!~zhalla@unaffiliated/zhalla> has joined #gamedev[17:22:11] <Cahaan> CaffeineNicotine, interesting, didn't know that[17:22:23] <Cahaan> that explains a lot I guess[17:22:25] *** DnzAtWrk <DnzAtWrk!~DnzAtWrk@mobile-access-6df081-139.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #gamedev[17:23:06] <Cahaan> heroes 2 had the best music tbh :D[17:23:09] <CaffeineNicotine> yeah! I was so disappointed and wondering how did they go so downhill[17:23:18] <CaffeineNicotine> hehehe heroes 3 also has great music[17:23:33] <CaffeineNicotine> gonna play heroes 2 again to compare. now you got me curious[17:23:55] <Cahaan> more opera-ish in heroes 2, honestly the ost is just better[17:24:08] <Cahaan> but yes the music of heroes 3 is pretty good too[17:24:24] *** DnzAtWrk <DnzAtWrk!~DnzAtWrk@mobile-access-6df081-139.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:29:18] *** aly777 <aly777!~kes777@2601:148:4200:36c7:3c63:b2d8:308e:57be> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[17:29:24] <jlebrech> CaffeineNicotine: was the game available on any other platform at the time? i find so many games from around 2001 they are 3d[17:29:35] <CaffeineNicotine> no. only PC[17:29:51] *** notus <notus!uid244649@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uzwenfyrvylmkhzm> has joined #gamedev[17:30:02] <CaffeineNicotine> I am so mad that I can't remember this game. I really liked it as a Diablo II alternative. and the missions were really good[17:30:18] <CaffeineNicotine> your warrior or mage had to accomplish missions by clicking on parts of a big map[17:30:32] <CaffeineNicotine> clearing regions that allowed to unlock other regions[17:30:50] <CaffeineNicotine> so it was dungeon crawling, but with some well defined quests to accomplish[17:30:58] <R2robot> that feeling when you can't remember something you should be able to remember..[17:31:01] <R2robot> ('°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻[17:31:09] <CaffeineNicotine> exactly[17:31:21] <CaffeineNicotine> and I have an insane memory for games[17:31:26] <CaffeineNicotine> and I CLEARED this game[17:31:42] <CaffeineNicotine> my guests have arrived. brb in 2 hours. peace[17:31:46] * CaffeineNicotine hugs LastTalon from behind[17:32:46] <pulse> kinky[17:32:59] <brainzap> heyp ulse[17:33:11] <pulse> hai hoi[17:33:36] *** genr8_ <genr8_!~genr8_@unaffiliated/genbtc> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:34:00] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@c-98-252-1-155.hsd1.de.comcast.net> has joined #gamedev[17:39:41] *** grouse <grouse!~grouse@83-233-9-2.cust.bredband2.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[17:39:46] *** [Relic] <[Relic]!~Relic]@2602:306:33a3:6d30:9d11:c846:447f:9c56> has joined #gamedev[17:41:05] *** macza <macza!~macza@162.221.202.202> has joined #gamedev[17:44:58] *** rindolf <rindolf!~rindolf@77.124.99.198> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:52:46] *** freestyledork <freestyledork!~freestyle@unaffiliated/freestyledork> has joined #gamedev[17:56:01] *** solidfox <solidfox!~solidfox@unaffiliated/snake/x-2550465> has joined #gamedev[18:00:04] *** brainzap <brainzap!~brainzap@217.22.129.78> has quit IRC (Quit: My tummy says it's time to sleep Mr. Bubbles.)[18:00:45] *** brainzap <brainzap!~brainzap@217.22.129.78> has joined #gamedev[18:04:11] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:04:47] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has joined #gamedev[18:06:35] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@c-98-252-1-155.hsd1.de.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[18:06:53] *** Serpent7776 <Serpent7776!~Serpent77@90-156-31-193.internetia.net.pl> has joined #gamedev[18:08:57] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[18:11:35] *** ShadowIce <ShadowIce!~pyoro@unaffiliated/shadowice-x841044> has joined #gamedev[18:19:56] *** veridiam <veridiam!~veridiam@S010674d02b5e3c80.vs.shawcable.net> has joined #gamedev[18:23:22] *** Beliar <Beliar!~Beliar@2a02:8108:9640:6c42:2c63:ad80:b70:9c03> has joined #gamedev[18:31:20] *** brainzap <brainzap!~brainzap@217.22.129.78> has quit IRC (Quit: My tummy says it's time to sleep Mr. Bubbles.)[18:35:39] *** veridiam <veridiam!~veridiam@S010674d02b5e3c80.vs.shawcable.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal)[18:48:02] *** sysfault <sysfault!uid341729@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bqeadtqsbfdwdxta> has joined #gamedev[18:48:05] *** brainzap <brainzap!~brainzap@217.22.129.78> has joined #gamedev[18:54:04] *** xen74 <xen74!~xen74@2001:44b8:2e3:9b00:984:578c:ab08:b009> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[19:28:32] *** babuloseo <babuloseo!~babuloseo@unaffiliated/babuloseo> has joined #gamedev[19:30:06] *** knops <knops!~yannick@ip-62-143-84-11.hsi01.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:34:43] *** Tylak <Tylak!~Tylak@074-135-002-092.res.spectrum.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Nettalk6 - 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I'm just adding gameplay features and stuff now. My goal is to grow it organically by releasing a new version once a week[22:35:10] <rocky1138> I kind of want to go in the dwarf fortress direction where you have to build up your base to survive attacks while venturing out to find new resources[22:35:30] <rocky1138> As you find resources, you instruct your minions to come in behind you to gather it over time[22:36:00] <rocky1138> I'm really jealous of the developers of Dwarf Fortress and Stardew Valley for building soemthing they can work on literally for the rest of their life :P[22:36:08] *** Serpent7776 <Serpent7776!~Serpent77@90-156-31-193.internetia.net.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[22:39:42] *** babuloseo <babuloseo!~babuloseo@unaffiliated/babuloseo> has joined #gamedev[22:40:12] <Donitzo> I'm a bit infatuated with the idea of dynamic content myself[22:40:26] <Donitzo> I'd love to make some kind of javascript based platformer in which I release a level every week or so[22:40:34] <Donitzo> with new types of enemies and things[22:40:38] <Donitzo> with an overarching story[22:41:09] <Donitzo> with javascript adding new types of enemies and enemy logic is as easy as just uploading another .js file[22:42:01] <aeth> rocky1138: At some point you probably want to make a sequel, though. New art style, new dramatically-changed balance, being able to charge again for it if it's a paid game, etc.[22:42:21] <aeth> Same engine, though.[22:42:25] <CaffeineNicotine> Donitzo, that is my sole goal with integrating Lua in my game engine[22:42:37] <aeth> rocky1138: So it's not really "rest of life" maybe "10-15 years"[22:42:55] <CaffeineNicotine> I can already replace the entire art, scenarios and enemy behavior[22:43:01] <rocky1138> Donitzo I made Super Markup World, you might like that :)[22:43:12] <rocky1138> Fair enough aeth (about the time)[22:43:14] <CaffeineNicotine> lol. what is that?[22:44:05] <rocky1138> http://supermarkupworld.com/[22:44:05] <Donitzo> lol[22:44:08] <Donitzo> platformer + dom?[22:44:15] <Donitzo> clever[22:44:27] <rocky1138> Yeah :) It was really awesome how people would sent GIFs of how they solved it[22:44:46] <Donitzo> are you using a real DOM or faking it?[22:44:49] <rocky1138> Some people knew JS and would make elevators, etc. Others turned off gravity, etc[22:44:51] <rocky1138> Real DOM[22:45:01] <Donitzo> lol[22:45:03] <Donitzo> let me just[22:45:45] <Donitzo> awww[22:45:46] <Donitzo> <blink style="width:200px; left:200px; bottom:120px; height:20px;">hahaha</blink>[22:45:47] <Donitzo> nothing[22:46:34] <CaffeineNicotine> <div style='left:240px;bottom:80px'></div>[22:46:34] <CaffeineNicotine> <div style='left:440px;bottom:80px'></div>[22:46:34] <CaffeineNicotine> <div style='left:640px;bottom:80px'></div>[22:46:39] <CaffeineNicotine> the fucker does not move[22:46:58] <aeth> I just hope that Stardew Valley 2 has the exact same opening premise as Pillars of Eternity II (that you could see in the pre-release trailers) with the giant statue coming to life and destroying your farm so you have to move somewhere else.[22:47:02] <CaffeineNicotine> ah I have to use the arrow keys[22:47:10] <CaffeineNicotine> weird that the div size is hardcoded[22:47:31] <CaffeineNicotine> You might want to try changing the height. WHY?[22:47:39] <CaffeineNicotine> I can use the bottom. it is ABSOLUTE ANYWAY[22:47:41] <Donitzo> whups[22:47:43] <Donitzo> broke the game a bit[22:48:08] <Donitzo> <style> @keyframes changewidth { from { width: 100px; } to { width: 300px; } } div { animation-duration: 0.1s; animation-name: changewidth; animation-iteration-count: infinite; animation-direction: alternate; } </style>[22:48:17] <rocky1138> Breaking the game and cheating is expected and encouraged. The idea was to show kids what's possible[22:48:23] <CaffeineNicotine> :)[22:48:35] <CaffeineNicotine> too bad the box model SUCKS[22:48:52] <Donitzo> yeah I could see how that would be useful in class[22:48:53] <rocky1138> the div size isn't hardcoded, you can change it with inline styles :)[22:49:06] <aeth> re super markup world... I think you're implying that programmers like me don't already just open up the debugger in games where that's not the point of the game. HTML 5 is great.[22:49:09] <rocky1138> <div style="width: your mom;"></div>[22:49:41] <rocky1138> haha yeah, but not everyone knows as much as we do :) It's fun to see them try all sorts of shit[22:52:11] <aeth> cookie clicker was so addictive back in the day that the only way I could break it was to beat the game with F12 since sometimes cheating does ruin all of the fun[22:55:10] <aeth> Well that was disappointing. I placed the goal on my character and I zipped through so many levels, missing plot, until the goal was no longer the goal: <div id='goal' style='left:100px;bottom:100px' class='obstacle goal'></div>[22:55:54] <aeth> then it's just replace 'goal' with 'friend'. You could speedrun it that way. i'm not sure you can do it any faster.[22:56:59] <aeth> If I had it queued in my clipboard and was ready to swap in the friend at the end, I think that would be the fastest solution possible.[22:57:05] <Donitzo> maybe it needs a few conditional goals[22:57:18] <Donitzo> travel through waypoint 1 2 and 3[22:57:20] <aeth> yeah, or checkpoints, like with a lot of free-roam street racing games[22:57:21] <Donitzo> don't touch hazard[22:57:23] <aeth> right[22:57:37] <aeth> Then you'd at least have to bring all of the waypoints/checkpoints to you[22:57:46] <aeth> And there'd be more than 2 things to swap out and it'd be mechanically difficult[22:58:01] <Donitzo> touch 1 waypoint[22:58:03] <Donitzo> but no more[22:58:11] <Donitzo> collect n coins[22:58:26] <aeth> Or alternate between 'obstacle goal' being the goal and being lava, so you can't bring it *to* you, only *near* you, or you lose[22:59:41] <aeth> Or just don't allow more than one goal, since I was just cloning the goal (and the friend!) to pass the levels[23:00:01] <aeth> You spawn things, you don't change things that are already there.[23:00:14] <Donitzo> anyway, this game reminds me of scribblenauts[23:00:34] <Donitzo> I love proper sandbox games[23:00:58] <Donitzo> or "god" games[23:01:19] <Donitzo> maybe it's just web developrs who feels like a god manipulating the DOM[23:01:20] *** LunarJetman <LunarJetman!LunarJetma@188.31.11.156.threembb.co.uk> has joined #gamedev[23:01:32] <rocky1138> Try going the other way: what's the most outrageous "Rube Goldberg" type solution you can come up with[23:02:44] <Donitzo> you truly want to see that?[23:02:53] <Donitzo> because I have javascript right here[23:03:02] <Donitzo> I'll implement proper box2d physics[23:03:09] <Donitzo> I'll rotate the divs[23:03:16] <LunarJetman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h47cmkO4b7g[23:03:24] <aeth> Implement Tetris in it[23:06:04] <aindilis> is there a channel for roguelikes?[23:06:29] <aeth> probably[23:08:28] <rocky1138> I think rotating the divs is the part that I wasn't able to finish in the time alotted[23:08:47] <rocky1138> I wrote a simple physics engine which assumes upright rectangles[23:09:43] <LunarJetman> upright?[23:10:12] <rocky1138> I'm not sure how to say it: not rotated.[23:11:21] <LunarJetman> oh I thought you might be talking about coordinate systems: I have two: "gui" and "game".[23:12:10] <LunarJetman> "gui" has top left of viewport at (0,0) and "game" has bottom left at (0,0)[23:12:39] <Donitzo> axis-aligned[23:12:40] <Donitzo> like this[23:12:50] <Donitzo> http://minicells-prototype.herokuapp.com[23:13:05] <LunarJetman> I am going to use Bullet for my physics engine[23:13:15] <rocky1138> Yeah, that's right. axis-aligned.[23:15:41] <CaffeineNicotine> <LunarJetman> "gui" has top left of viewport at (0,0) and "game" has bottom left at (0,0)[23:15:42] <CaffeineNicotine> LOL[23:15:56] <CaffeineNicotine> why? because fuck you :D[23:16:22] <LunarJetman> because my engine is for both apps and games and apps (guis) normally have top left at (0,0)[23:16:23] <Donitzo> mmmm[23:16:25] <Donitzo> thing is[23:16:29] <Donitzo> y up makes sense[23:16:47] <Donitzo> I tend to rotate javascript canvases upside down if I need to have a game with gravity[23:17:00] <LunarJetman> also you can make widgets have a different coordinate system to its parent[23:17:11] <CaffeineNicotine> XD[23:17:21] <LunarJetman> I have a "canvas" widget within which my ECS renders[23:17:36] <LunarJetman> so you would use "canvas" widget for games[23:17:43] <Donitzo> new $180 3d printer: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vrvw7915s6t8y57/IMG_1960.JPG?dl=0[23:17:45] <Donitzo> not bad at all[23:19:41] <LunarJetman> best. murder. scene. ever. : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h47cmkO4b7g[23:20:23] <Donitzo> robocop?[23:20:28] <Donitzo> ah yes[23:21:15] <Donitzo> except of course the ED209 scene is better[23:21:19] <Donitzo> and technically murder[23:22:51] <LunarJetman> nah[23:23:00] <LunarJetman> ED209 is more violent but this is better[23:23:58] <LunarJetman> how could it be technically murder?[23:24:13] <LunarJetman> manslaughter at worst[23:24:36] <Donitzo> ED most definitely had the intent to kill[23:24:43] <LunarJetman> ED209 is a machine[23:24:48] <LunarJetman> machines can't murder people[23:25:15] <LunarJetman> also, if a police man kills someone it isn't murder either[23:25:32] <LunarJetman> "he didn't hear the gun drop"[23:25:53] <Donitzo> he was an expert system[23:26:06] <LunarJetman> so?[23:26:35] <LunarJetman> industrial accident more accurarely describes it[23:26:41] <LunarJetman> accurately[23:28:04] *** ShadowIce <ShadowIce!~pyoro@unaffiliated/shadowice-x841044> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:28:48] <LunarJetman> although if I am honest I think https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcZCGMCDzbU is probably the best murder scene[23:37:58] *** stefkos <stefkos!~Pawel@79.184.144.148.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[23:48:26] *** solidfox <solidfox!~solidfox@unaffiliated/snake/x-2550465> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[23:48:38] <CaffeineNicotine> Robocop murder scene is quite amazing[23:49:36] <CaffeineNicotine> True Romance? you must be kidding[23:51:39] <LunarJetman> that True Romance scene is an acting masterclass[23:52:00] <LunarJetman> (the whole scene)[23:52:43] <CaffeineNicotine> :D