January 18, 2019 
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January 18, 2019 [00:05:04] <LastTalon> Likewise your best options for playing games will also be debian or a debian-based os.[00:05:10] *** babuloseo <babuloseo!~babuloseo@unaffiliated/babuloseo> has joined #gamedev[00:08:55] <solidfox> yes i love debain[00:08:56] *** rindolf <rindolf!~rindolf@77.127.11.169> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[00:09:05] <solidfox> the abstract base distro that kubuntu inherits from[00:09:57] <LastTalon> Kubuntu indeed[00:10:21] <LastTalon> Whats wrong with gnome?[00:10:38] <solidfox> ubuntu 18.04 with gnome has a memory leak[00:10:53] *** terminx <terminx!~terminx@173-16-252-156.client.mchsi.com> has joined #gamedev[00:11:02] <solidfox> fix was made in 18.10 but it still hasn't been cherry picked[00:11:04] <LastTalon> Does it?[00:11:07] <solidfox> i think yeah[00:11:18] <solidfox> although its been a few months since i heard about that[00:11:59] <solidfox> i set my dad up with it, and then heard about that bug :< hope he doesnt get frustrated[00:12:32] <LastTalon> Its a memory leak with gnome shell it looks like.[00:15:15] *** atomekk <atomekk!~atomekk@unaffiliated/atomekk> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:16:20] *** Kingsqueee <Kingsqueee!~kingsquee@S01069050ca3c92d3.va.shawcable.net> has joined #gamedev[00:18:55] <LastTalon> They should probably fix that.[00:18:59] <LastTalon> I still like gnome though.[00:22:43] <solidfox> it looks really clean and easy to use[00:23:02] <solidfox> thats why it'd be perfect for my dad[00:23:11] <solidfox> all apps fit on the first screen in the applications menu[00:23:39] <LastTalon> Yeah, the gnome shell does have its fair share of criticism though.[00:23:39] <solidfox> it's*[00:24:11] <LastTalon> But it is quite usable at the very least.[00:24:25] <LastTalon> You just get all your stuff and you can easily search right away.[00:25:09] <LastTalon> But the overall feel of gnome besides just the shell I like.[00:25:15] <LastTalon> Just feels very linux-y.[00:25:21] <solidfox> it* would*[00:25:24] <solidfox> jeezus[00:25:46] <solidfox> LastTalon: ah[00:25:55] *** code_zombie <code_zombie!~code_zomb@2605:a601:aa1:da00:cc57:a2f5:5bf0:558a> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:26:03] <LastTalon> Like you said, just generally very clean and easy to use.[00:26:08] <solidfox> yeah idk, i ended up with kde through the years since i didnt like the initial gnome 3 for a while[00:26:43] <solidfox> ive got my desktop cube, and ive finally come to tolerate kate just enough to prefer it over gedit[00:28:53] <LastTalon> desktop cube?[00:29:37] *** pulse <pulse!~pulse@unaffiliated/pulse> has quit IRC (Quit: i like big sprites and i cannot lie, these other games cant deny)[00:29:40] <LastTalon> Oh, the workspace switching thing?[00:29:59] <LastTalon> I don't much care for the fancy graphical workspace switching I just like to switch between them. :P[00:30:19] <solidfox> yes good ol ctrl alt right[00:30:24] <solidfox> and left[00:30:27] <solidfox> and the cube[00:30:31] <solidfox> well the cube is extra[00:30:34] <solidfox> but i like it[00:30:40] <LastTalon> I do wish that it was more standardized.[00:30:53] <LastTalon> You get different key combos and directions and whatnot based on which OS you're using.[00:31:06] <LastTalon> Or if it even works at all. :D[00:31:13] <LastTalon> Or what its called on that OS.[00:34:01] *** knops <knops!~yannick@ip-62-143-84-11.hsi01.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:40:23] *** mandeep <mandeep!~mandeep@unaffiliated/mandeepb> has joined #gamedev[00:49:39] *** LunarJetman <LunarJetman!LunarJetma@92.40.86.137.threembb.co.uk> has quit IRC (Quit: LunarJetman)[00:50:04] <R2robot> ... --- ...[00:54:51] *** ZeroSystem <ZeroSystem!45f81b6b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.248.27.107> has joined #gamedev[00:55:16] *** Atari2600 is now known as CaffeineNicotine[00:55:50] *** freestyledork <freestyledork!~freestyle@unaffiliated/freestyledork> has quit IRC (Quit: freestyledork)[01:05:25] *** refs <refs!~refs@dslb-178-005-093-139.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: refs)[01:23:50] *** macza <macza!~macza@162.221.202.202> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:27:09] *** Tobbi <Tobbi!~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[01:32:22] *** pulse <pulse!~pulse@unaffiliated/pulse> has joined #gamedev[01:44:49] <LastTalon> R2robot, are you alright, do you need help?[01:49:07] <catphish> yay, think i've finished my sprite graphics setup :) hopefully it's easy enough to use https://github.com/catphish/allwinner-bare-metal/blob/master/demo.c[01:49:33] <catphish> 10,000 sprites at 60fps ought to be enough[01:50:26] <pulse> challenge accepted[01:50:36] <pulse> *makes a RTS*[01:50:44] * LastTalon makes a bullet hell[01:51:04] <R2robot> LastTalon: :)[01:51:22] <catphish> it's enough to cover the whole screen 30 times :)[01:51:28] <catphish> *20 times[01:51:44] <LastTalon> What if my sprites are really small?[01:52:10] <catphish> they're not, they're 16x16 whether you like it or not, for now anyway[01:52:38] <LastTalon> Lol. Okay then.[01:53:10] <LastTalon> Well if they're 16x16 10000 is only enough to fully cover my screen once.[01:53:36] <catphish> ah yes, but you also only get 480x270 :)[01:53:44] <LastTalon> Seems limiting.[01:53:45] <catphish> because i'm mean[01:54:02] <pulse> good. modern resolutions are taking it too far[01:54:06] <pulse> how can i develop pixel art games[01:54:11] <pulse> when screens are like 1349876987 x 13987691837 pixels[01:54:13] <pulse> screw that[01:54:26] <LastTalon> Lol[01:54:42] <LastTalon> Gotta have that HD 720p[01:54:53] <pulse> i'm just gonna stretch my 320x240 to infinity if necessary[01:55:21] <catphish> so, in case the point was lost, since i'm making a retro-style games console, it runs at 480x270, renders 16x16 sprites, and will soon have digital controller support[01:55:44] <NiniGeo2> Very cool catphish! :C[01:55:45] <NiniGeo2> :D[01:55:50] <LastTalon> What is bare metal code?[01:56:15] <catphish> then finally some retro-ish sound generation[01:56:18] *** freefork_afk is now known as freestyledork[01:56:36] *** wolf611 <wolf611!~wolf611@2001:bb6:9e06:658:c44a:b2af:84e4:f5a4> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:56:54] <catphish> LastTalon: it's called bare metal because i'm writing everything without the help of an existing OS[01:57:23] <LastTalon> Sort of what I assumed.[01:57:34] <catphish> i want a proper retro console feel with loading direct from cartridges, not something that has to boot an OS[01:57:39] <LastTalon> I've just never seen someone use the term bare metal code.[01:58:28] <catphish> it seems to be used to describe software that doesn't depend on an os[01:58:31] <LastTalon> Doesn't that make your code the OS though?[01:58:39] <catphish> although in a way, yes it does[01:58:53] <catphish> since this code will be what games run on top of[01:59:39] <LastTalon> Seems neat.[01:59:48] <LastTalon> What kinds of things is it intended to run?[02:00:16] <catphish> well i'm hoping to make 16-bit-style games, or pursuade others to do so[02:00:45] <catphish> and have a very cheap, modern retro-style console with new games[02:01:17] <catphish> no idea how far i'll get, but i'm pretty sure i'll be able to get it to a state where graphics, sound and controller APIs are available[02:01:35] <catphish> then its just a matter of whether anyone ever makes a game :)[02:03:15] <LastTalon> Will people have to develop specifically for it? That might be a bit of a hinderance.[02:03:40] <catphish> yes, that'll be the challenge[02:04:17] <catphish> maybe people will care, maybe not, i don't care too much, i just wanted the challenge of laying down the groundwork[02:04:41] <pulse> seems like a fun projectr[02:04:42] <LastTalon> Its neat.[02:04:51] <catphish> and i kinda miss the days when games were simple and fun[02:06:32] <catphish> its nothing that cant be done with a Pi and some emulators of course[02:06:45] <catphish> but fun to do something new[02:07:23] <LastTalon> Its a neat idea.[02:07:39] <LastTalon> Especially if you can avoid the pitfalls of historical game consoles.[02:07:53] <LastTalon> Like... a retro console retrospective.[02:08:05] <catphish> i don't suppose i know what those were[02:08:37] <LastTalon> Its a storied history.[02:09:09] <LastTalon> Lets go back to the bit wars. :D[02:09:44] <catphish> but its 2018 so mine has the benefit of essentially unlimited memory and processing power :) so it's just a matter of making the APIs correct so that people can easily make the right kind of games[02:09:55] <LastTalon> Fair enough.[02:10:03] <pulse> err, it's not 2018[02:10:10] <LastTalon> pulse, sshhh[02:10:14] <pulse> :D[02:10:31] <LastTalon> Pretty sure its 2016[02:10:31] <catphish> no, i suppose it's not[02:10:40] <catphish> but it was when i started[02:10:40] <pulse> close enough tho[02:10:42] <LastTalon> And none of you will be able to convince me otherwise.[02:11:28] <catphish> anyway, my graphics work, background tile maps + foreground sprites, so next is controllers :)[02:14:23] *** macza <macza!~macza@67.231.29.194> has joined #gamedev[02:16:18] *** brainzap <brainzap!~brainzap@217.22.129.78> has joined #gamedev[02:17:15] <catphish> i'd better get my head around simple platform game code logic at some point, probably plenty of tutorials on that[02:18:31] <pulse> make it all squares, then all logic is trivial[02:18:40] <pulse> slopes are messy[02:21:45] <catphish> yeah i didnt like the look of slopes[02:21:51] *** brainzap <brainzap!~brainzap@217.22.129.78> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[02:21:57] <pulse> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u0NRgMyzEM[02:22:47] <LastTalon> pulse, does it just work?[02:22:55] <pulse> i think it just works[02:23:13] <catphish> hmm[02:23:17] <catphish> i sleep now :)[02:23:32] <pulse> g'nite[02:23:52] <LastTalon> I like it when things just work.[02:27:59] *** macza <macza!~macza@67.231.29.194> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[02:50:56] *** refsw <refsw!~refsw@80.150.130.51> has joined #gamedev[02:50:57] *** pulse_ <pulse_!~pulse@unaffiliated/pulse> has joined #gamedev[02:52:48] *** cantel0pe <cantel0pe!~cantelope@75.sub-174-214-4.myvzw.com> has joined #gamedev[03:00:18] *** pulse <pulse!~pulse@unaffiliated/pulse> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[03:00:18] *** Tylak <Tylak!~Tylak@074-135-002-092.res.spectrum.com> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[03:00:18] *** Twipply <Twipply!~Twipply@unaffiliated/twipply> has quit IRC (*.net 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That's their line.[07:49:49] <LastTalon> It just works.[07:55:02] *** powerbit <powerbit!~powerbit@5-15-177-185.residential.rdsnet.ro> has joined #gamedev[07:58:12] *** Beliar <Beliar!~Beliar@2a02:8108:9640:6c42:8c5a:635f:b9f8:988f> has joined #gamedev[07:59:04] *** DnzAtWrk <DnzAtWrk!~DnzAtWrk@mobile-access-6df081-139.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[08:01:14] *** DnzAtWrk <DnzAtWrk!~DnzAtWrk@mobile-access-6df081-139.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #gamedev[08:03:01] *** brainzap <brainzap!~brainzap@217.22.129.78> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[08:09:16] *** jprajzne <jprajzne!jprajzne@nat/redhat/x-acbzhmcqfyvmifgl> has joined #gamedev[08:16:58] <jprajzne> https://www.khronos.org/developers/library/2018-siggraph-asia[08:26:56] *** Tobbi <Tobbi!~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi> has joined #gamedev[08:42:55] *** stefkos <stefkos!~Pawel@79.184.29.81.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl> has joined #gamedev[08:43:28] *** corvidzz <corvidzz!~corvidzz@c-71-193-181-224.hsd1.or.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[08:44:28] *** macza <macza!~macza@d75-157-125-9.bchsia.telus.net> has joined #gamedev[08:49:02] *** macza <macza!~macza@d75-157-125-9.bchsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[08:58:18] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has joined #gamedev[09:03:49] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[09:20:16] <jprajzne> hubs.mozilla.com - interesting[09:26:28] *** rindolf <rindolf!~rindolf@77.127.11.169> has joined #gamedev[09:37:42] *** bildramer1 <bildramer1!~bildramer@p2003004CEA0D0400E03D30F34037C9C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #gamedev[09:39:44] *** bildramer <bildramer!~bildramer@p2003004CEA0D040058347BD816327296.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[09:40:08] *** bildramer <bildramer!~bildramer@p2003004CEA0D040044D09F2180D44524.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #gamedev[09:41:54] *** bildramer1 <bildramer1!~bildramer@p2003004CEA0D0400E03D30F34037C9C9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[10:02:21] *** brainzap <brainzap!~brainzap@217.22.129.78> has joined #gamedev[10:09:51] *** rindolf <rindolf!~rindolf@77.127.11.169> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:31:43] *** mr_lou <mr_lou!~misthalos@085083077157.dynamic.telenor.dk> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[10:34:36] *** mr_lou <mr_lou!~misthalos@085083077157.dynamic.telenor.dk> has joined #gamedev[10:36:35] *** DnzAtWrk <DnzAtWrk!~DnzAtWrk@mobile-access-6df081-139.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[10:55:51] *** DnzAtWrk <DnzAtWrk!~DnzAtWrk@mobile-access-6df081-139.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #gamedev[10:57:52] <Captain_Crow> armory has a logic node thing[11:04:00] *** cheakoirccloud <cheakoirccloud!uid293319@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-imsxugvpskeacncc> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[11:16:41] *** rindolf <rindolf!~rindolf@77.127.11.169> has joined #gamedev[11:33:42] *** BrahRah <BrahRah!~BrahRah@185.192.69.74> has joined #gamedev[11:33:58] <BrahRah> what have you guys been up to?[11:42:04] *** bildramer <bildramer!~bildramer@p2003004CEA0D040044D09F2180D44524.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[12:01:25] *** Captain_Crow <Captain_Crow!~raco@adsl-68-252-56-212.dsl.wotnoh.ameritech.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[12:02:48] *** bildramer <bildramer!~bildramer@p5B010B53.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #gamedev[12:08:13] *** HZun <HZun!~HZun@0x3ec721e2.osd.customer.dk.telia.net> has joined #gamedev[12:08:29] *** Captain_Crow <Captain_Crow!~raco@adsl-68-252-56-212.dsl.wotnoh.ameritech.net> has joined #gamedev[12:16:04] <DnzAtWrk> replicating[12:16:12] <DnzAtWrk> digesting[12:17:44] <BrahRah> replicating?[12:18:09] <brainzap> farting[12:18:46] <BrahRah> So I'm guessing not much has changed XD[12:19:18] <BrahRah> I'm at my 4th engine now (unity)[12:20:01] <BrahRah> dont like c# but at least everything is working so far[12:20:27] <mr_lou> Everyone seems to be using Unity...[12:20:27] <brainzap> I thought we decided to hate unity[12:20:45] <mr_lou> ...is there no one left who likes to code his own shit from scratch anymore?[12:21:05] <DnzAtWrk> I do[12:21:06] <BrahRah> I hate it but godot and amroy just aren't there yet[12:21:24] <BrahRah> I'm not good enough to do that[12:21:25] <DnzAtWrk> people commented on that I wrote my last game from scratch in javascript[12:21:31] <DnzAtWrk> like it's something wierd[12:21:55] <DnzAtWrk> didn't create the universe though[12:22:04] *** macza <macza!~macza@d75-157-125-9.bchsia.telus.net> has joined #gamedev[12:22:22] <BrahRah> well I'm doing fairly comlicated stuff for my skill level[12:22:47] <DnzAtWrk> skill level is a conspiracy[12:23:18] <mr_lou> DnzAtWrk, +1[12:23:30] <DnzAtWrk> though I'll have to comment on that writing stuff from scratch can make it feel more "alive" so to say[12:23:40] <DnzAtWrk> because you're not trying to fit it to some pre-existing framework[12:23:46] <DnzAtWrk> game maker I guess is a good example of that[12:24:14] <BrahRah> like I need to figure out how to detect what side/direction a collision is happening at[12:24:17] <DnzAtWrk> unity less so (even though I think the component system lends itself to that style of development)[12:24:49] * mr_lou has a fetish of coding from scratch... in Java.... 1.3.... without SDL and without 3D API's.....[12:25:09] <DnzAtWrk> there's something I haven't tried[12:25:15] <mr_lou> :-)[12:25:19] <DnzAtWrk> doing opengl in java[12:25:20] <DnzAtWrk> I assume[12:25:27] <mr_lou> No OpenGL either[12:25:32] <mr_lou> Just AWT[12:25:34] <DnzAtWrk> blitting?[12:25:45] <DnzAtWrk> aah[12:26:13] *** macza <macza!~macza@d75-157-125-9.bchsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[12:26:50] <BrahRah> not gonna use vulcan?[12:27:10] <mr_lou> Me? Dunno what that is.[12:27:13] <BrahRah> I mean vulkan[12:27:21] <mr_lou> Dunno what this is either. ;-)[12:27:42] <DnzAtWrk> why was my first thought 3dfx[12:28:12] <DnzAtWrk> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:STBVoodoo2SLIcards.jpg[12:28:13] <DnzAtWrk> oh yeah[12:28:34] <BrahRah> https://gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/96014/what-is-vulkan-and-how-does-it-differ-from-opengl[12:29:25] <mr_lou> The geeky thing is: If you can stick with Java1.3 AWT, then you can make games for PS3 + PS4 + XB1 - because they all feature a Blu-ray player, and all Blu-ray players run Java1.3 AWT stuff. :-> That's where it is. Extremely niche of course.[12:30:17] <mr_lou> So anything related to 3D and GL is only possible if a software lib is available for it.[12:31:01] <mr_lou> So far I've only managed to find one other person who's also interested in this. :->[12:31:01] <mr_lou> hehe[12:31:10] <mr_lou> We're probably the only two in the world.[12:31:30] <DnzAtWrk> Named table group[12:31:33] <DnzAtWrk> *facepalm*[12:35:02] <DnzAtWrk> I still love designing databases[12:35:12] <DnzAtWrk> fairly relaxing[12:41:33] <mr_lou> Anything is fairly relaxing if you know what you're doing.[12:41:42] <mr_lou> As soon as you have to figure stuff out, that's when it becomes annoying.[12:43:17] <DnzAtWrk> naw[12:43:36] <DnzAtWrk> solving complicated gamedev related issues is fun too[12:43:43] <DnzAtWrk> for example:[12:44:36] <DnzAtWrk> how would you design the object system in a 3D game which would allow objects to stand on multiple nested moving platforms without falling off[12:45:13] <DnzAtWrk> imagine you have a planet on which there is a car in which there is a mouse[12:45:53] <DnzAtWrk> now you could cheat of course and just use a child parent relationship, but that's pretty unrealistic[12:45:55] <mr_lou> Now my brain hurts.[12:46:28] <mr_lou> If the mouse Danger Mouse?[12:46:32] <mr_lou> *Is[12:46:33] <DnzAtWrk> yes[12:46:37] <mr_lou> \o/[12:46:40] <DnzAtWrk> he is indeed the greatest[12:46:44] <mr_lou> hehe[12:47:27] *** immibis <immibis!~immibis@125-238-72-168-fibre.sparkbb.co.nz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[12:50:32] *** notus <notus!uid244649@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vciigesfptugocmj> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[12:57:52] <DnzAtWrk> https://i.redd.it/b0bpp2zcw4b21.jpg[12:58:10] <DnzAtWrk> too close to home[13:04:45] *** pavonia <pavonia!~user@unaffiliated/siracusa> has quit IRC (Quit: Bye!)[13:05:17] *** ZeroSystem <ZeroSystem!45f81b6b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.248.27.107> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[13:21:09] *** xen74 <xen74!~xen74@2001:44b8:2e3:9b00:f85c:afa4:57ec:c658> has joined #gamedev[13:26:23] *** pulse <pulse!~pulse@unaffiliated/pulse> has joined #gamedev[13:43:04] <jprajzne> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu5nyrB9U_o&list=PLPV2KyIb3jR4KLGCCAciWQ5qHudKtYeP7 - 14 parts[13:43:13] <jprajzne> How to make an RPG in Unity[14:09:42] *** DaScoot <DaScoot!~Scooter@static-24-153-33-9.cpe.metrocast.net> has joined #gamedev[14:14:42] *** wolf611 <wolf611!~wolf611@2001:bb6:9e06:658:4ba:832f:21f1:41fa> has joined #gamedev[14:21:58] *** fidasx <fidasx!~fidasx@ppp-94-66-221-178.home.otenet.gr> has joined #gamedev[14:28:25] <DnzAtWrk> if I had some spare money I'd get the perception neuron motion capture system[14:28:30] <DnzAtWrk> Because my god animating is boring[14:28:40] <DnzAtWrk> https://neuronmocap.com/products-fullwidth[14:29:20] <DnzAtWrk> https://neuronmocap.com/content/product/32-neuron-edition-v2[14:29:39] <DnzAtWrk> 32 sensors, hand straps[14:29:53] <DnzAtWrk> and it costs as much as unity pro[14:30:06] <jprajzne> use ml for animation :)[14:30:22] <jprajzne> let it learn from videos[14:30:46] <DnzAtWrk> not a stranger to ml character control[14:31:05] <DnzAtWrk> hmm[14:31:08] <jprajzne> good/bad experience?[14:31:28] <DnzAtWrk> https://www.dropbox.com/s/n1atfz5dxgw76so/balance.png?raw=1[14:31:31] <DnzAtWrk> not too good[14:31:59] <DnzAtWrk> well, that was when I tried it manually. I also tried teaching it using ml[14:32:06] <DnzAtWrk> for starters, to not fall over[14:32:29] <DnzAtWrk> one thing was sure. It didn't work using direct muscle control[14:32:34] <DnzAtWrk> it's just too complex[14:32:45] <DnzAtWrk> no human brain to coordinate the movement[14:33:59] <jprajzne> can't find the paper where the model followed movements of dancers[14:34:05] <DnzAtWrk> and as I've said before, full body IK is a mess[14:34:08] <DnzAtWrk> how do you even do full body IK[14:34:58] <jprajzne> i think it first identified the bones/joints in the model and then learned the movements[14:35:22] <DnzAtWrk> well, copying wouldn't be too difficult[14:35:39] <DnzAtWrk> but try telling a human to do an original movement[14:35:46] <DnzAtWrk> stand up and reach for an object[14:36:07] <jprajzne> https://github.com/samim23?tab=repositories - i think it's somewhere there[14:36:22] <DnzAtWrk> I don't know. That guy looks shifty[14:36:31] <jprajzne> :))[14:37:59] <DnzAtWrk> hmmm[14:38:08] <DnzAtWrk> machine learning plus 5 individual IK chains[14:38:10] <DnzAtWrk> perhaps[14:38:14] <jprajzne> lot of nn/ml stuff[14:38:39] <DnzAtWrk> problem with direct torque control over limbs is that's it's... unstable[14:39:09] <DnzAtWrk> no, what if instead of that I used an IK chain for each limb/back with a target position[14:39:14] <DnzAtWrk> relative to the center of mass[14:39:32] <DnzAtWrk> then the neural network can use 5x rel x,y as outputs[14:39:38] <jprajzne> or maybe use just 1st and last frame and interpolate[14:39:50] <DnzAtWrk> no worries, I'm using recurrecnt neural networks[14:39:56] <jprajzne> ok[14:39:56] <DnzAtWrk> it should damn well learn[14:40:03] <DnzAtWrk> recurrent*[14:40:19] <DnzAtWrk> I have most stuff setup already :P[14:40:47] <jprajzne> cool :)[14:41:36] <DnzAtWrk> the lack of a third dimension is a bit unrealistic though[14:41:52] <DnzAtWrk> but legs don't normally move in the third dimension too much anyway[14:44:35] *** fidasx <fidasx!~fidasx@ppp-94-66-221-178.home.otenet.gr> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:44:56] *** fidasx <fidasx!~fidasx@ppp-94-66-221-178.home.otenet.gr> has joined #gamedev[14:52:30] *** grouse <grouse!~grouse@83-233-9-2.cust.bredband2.com> has joined #gamedev[14:56:37] *** fidasx <fidasx!~fidasx@ppp-94-66-221-178.home.otenet.gr> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:56:47] <pulse> so i joined discord[14:56:58] *** fidasx <fidasx!~fidasx@ppp-94-66-221-178.home.otenet.gr> has joined #gamedev[14:56:59] <pulse> here are some popular channels: waifu worshipping[14:57:07] <pulse> 100 pepe emotes[14:57:16] <pulse> mutual masturbation[14:57:20] <pulse> weeb kingdom[14:57:31] <pulse> bsdm erp aftercare[14:57:35] <pulse> o________o[14:57:41] <pulse> "degenerates"[14:58:02] <pulse> (that's a channel name)[14:58:15] <pulse> the hentai enthusiast[14:58:22] <pulse> do i even. i don't even[14:58:25] <R2robot> well it's not a social network exactly[14:58:37] <R2robot> you don't just randomly join and then search channels :P[14:58:54] <R2robot> normally you have a specific channel you're invited to[14:58:57] *** fidasx <fidasx!~fidasx@ppp-94-66-221-178.home.otenet.gr> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:59:01] <R2robot> streamers for example[14:59:24] *** fidasx <fidasx!~fidasx@ppp-94-66-221-178.home.otenet.gr> has joined #gamedev[14:59:53] <pulse> thanks fuck for irc[15:00:04] <R2robot> :)[15:02:09] *** Tylak <Tylak!~Tylak@074-135-002-092.res.spectrum.com> has joined #gamedev[15:02:30] <jprajzne> sounds like quake i, exploring different worlds[15:02:53] <jprajzne> is there any channel with dentist fetish? :))[15:03:32] <R2robot> there is a website dedicated to people who love eating ice.[15:03:42] *** threebar <threebar!~user@unaffiliated/threebar> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:03:56] <R2robot> soooo[15:04:02] <R2robot> anything and everything is out there. lol[15:06:07] *** fidasx <fidasx!~fidasx@ppp-94-66-221-178.home.otenet.gr> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[15:06:23] *** fidasx <fidasx!~fidasx@ppp-94-66-221-178.home.otenet.gr> has joined #gamedev[15:08:51] *** Kingsquee <Kingsquee!~kingsquee@S01069050ca3c92d3.va.shawcable.net> has quit IRC (Quit: しょうがない)[15:09:39] <jprajzne> life's complete :))[15:12:24] *** fidasx <fidasx!~fidasx@ppp-94-66-221-178.home.otenet.gr> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:12:46] *** deiive <deiive!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d891:3a10:d578:fc97> has joined #gamedev[15:17:00] *** Twipply <Twipply!~Twipply@unaffiliated/twipply> has joined #gamedev[15:18:35] *** ofis <ofis!~fidasx@ppp-94-66-221-178.home.otenet.gr> has joined #gamedev[15:19:58] *** ofis <ofis!~fidasx@ppp-94-66-221-178.home.otenet.gr> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[15:23:33] *** fidasx <fidasx!~fidasx@ppp-94-66-221-178.home.otenet.gr> has joined #gamedev[15:26:31] <pulse> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkktyOA06NQ[15:26:43] <pulse> nice music to listen to at 2am while reading lovecraft in a dimly lit room[15:29:25] <pulse> good luck with sleep tho[15:33:01] *** DnzAtWrk <DnzAtWrk!~DnzAtWrk@mobile-access-6df081-139.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[15:34:23] *** solidfox <solidfox!~solidfox@unaffiliated/snake/x-2550465> has joined #gamedev[15:35:17] <LastTalon> I mean that's basically just ASMR[15:35:19] <R2robot> one of the best OSTs[15:35:32] <R2robot> yeah, it's ambiance.. by Trent Reznor[15:37:08] <pulse> it's amazing how he goes from chaos to some kind of harmony[15:37:57] <jprajzne> tr is the best :)[15:39:50] *** deiive <deiive!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d891:3a10:d578:fc97> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[15:42:03] *** babuloseo <babuloseo!~babuloseo@unaffiliated/babuloseo> has joined #gamedev[15:46:34] *** fidasx <fidasx!~fidasx@ppp-94-66-221-178.home.otenet.gr> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:51:50] *** moongazer <moongazer!~moongazer@unaffiliated/moongazer> has joined #gamedev[15:56:57] *** wlf611 <wlf611!~wolf611@2001:bb6:9e06:658:f106:7a6e:2b42:8ae4> has joined #gamedev[15:59:28] *** wolf611 <wolf611!~wolf611@2001:bb6:9e06:658:4ba:832f:21f1:41fa> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[16:00:29] *** grouse <grouse!~grouse@83-233-9-2.cust.bredband2.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[16:03:42] *** cantelope is now known as cantelope[afk][16:09:14] *** Beliar <Beliar!~Beliar@2a02:8108:9640:6c42:8c5a:635f:b9f8:988f> has quit IRC (Quit: The only real mistake is the one from which we learn nothing)[16:09:37] *** deiive <deiive!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d891:3a10:d578:fc97> has joined #gamedev[16:11:41] *** LunarJetman <LunarJetman!LunarJetma@92.40.86.137.threembb.co.uk> has joined #gamedev[16:28:50] <CaffeineNicotine> pulse, discord is the poor cousin of slack[16:29:09] <CaffeineNicotine> they tried to convince me to join that crap. I didn't last five minutes there[16:29:57] <CaffeineNicotine> slack also does not excite me much either[16:32:19] *** [Relic] <[Relic]!~Relic]@2602:306:33a3:6d30:216b:86f3:69b:ff6f> has joined #gamedev[16:33:09] <brainzap> are you ok CaffeineNicotine ?[16:33:49] <CaffeineNicotine> I am fabulous. thanks for asking[16:34:15] <brainzap> its just I care about you health, please stop smoking[16:34:18] <CaffeineNicotine> <pulse> thanks fuck for irc[16:34:37] <CaffeineNicotine> brainzap, you're right. luckily I can't stand smoking at all[16:37:41] <pulse> smo is a terrible name for a king[16:39:59] <LunarJetman> I will probably make a slack/discord type thing when I release the new version of my IRC client[16:40:43] <R2robot> slack and discord are both abominations[16:41:11] <LunarJetman> the hoi polloi disagree[16:41:41] <CaffeineNicotine> discord looks like a version of slack that uses LunarJetman's classes :)[16:41:56] <LunarJetman> classes?[16:42:03] <R2robot> hahaha, CaffeineNicotine reveals himself in one statement :P[16:42:23] <CaffeineNicotine> R2robot, I was talking to you yesterday[16:42:24] *** deiive <deiive!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d891:3a10:d578:fc97> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[16:42:38] * CaffeineNicotine switches the chips of R2robot[16:42:49] * R2robot malfunctioned[16:43:06] <pulse> https://xkcd.com/1782/[16:43:35] <R2robot> lol[16:44:04] <R2robot> i don't need slack and discord using up 3+GB of memory just to be like IRC[16:45:55] <pulse> i miss the late 90s[16:46:10] <pulse> simpler times[16:46:33] <R2robot> same[16:48:26] *** HZun <HZun!~HZun@0x3ec721e2.osd.customer.dk.telia.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[16:50:31] <LastTalon> Lol[16:50:37] <LastTalon> He can't keep up the ruse for long.[16:51:14] * mr_lou is also staying with IRC forever[16:51:30] <LastTalon> Discord has some good popularity.[16:51:34] <LunarJetman> I am using an IRC client that I wrote myself.[16:51:37] <mr_lou> Don't care.[16:52:01] <LastTalon> How am I supposed to communicate with my fellow gamers?[16:52:14] <mr_lou> LastTalon, Use IRC. ;-)[16:52:21] <LastTalon> They aren't on irc. D:<[16:52:33] <mr_lou> LastTalon, Tell them about IRC. ;-)[16:52:34] <CaffeineNicotine> bring them on[16:52:37] <CaffeineNicotine> IRC is the future[16:52:45] <mr_lou> Yea, what CaffeineNicotine says.[16:52:45] <LastTalon> You're all living in the past. D:<[16:52:52] <mr_lou> The past is the future.[16:52:59] <LastTalon> We're in a dying pocket universe.[16:53:02] <mr_lou> Retrolution[16:53:19] <LunarJetman> I only use Discord to join Christian servers where I can troll the theists.[16:53:31] <pulse> He who controls the past, commands the future. He who commands the future, conquers the past. -Kane[16:53:46] <LastTalon> Excuse me, this is a christian tf2 server.[16:53:47] <mr_lou> Did you ever wonder why scifi movies in the 80s and 90s showed distant futures where everyone was still using CRT screens? That's because they're making a comeback![16:54:01] <CaffeineNicotine> CRT screens are better than this crap we have today[16:54:09] <mr_lou> Exactly.[16:54:09] <LunarJetman> They mostly come at night, mostly. -Newt[16:54:12] <LastTalon> mr_lou, shoot electron beams at my eyes please.[16:54:16] *** Dwarden <Dwarden!Dwarden@static-84-42-238-19.net.upcbroadband.cz> has joined #gamedev[16:54:26] <pulse> i watched this yesterday and now i understand christianity better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtlwWMJILBA[16:54:27] <CaffeineNicotine> LastTalon, that is the problem, but I learned to use protection[16:54:42] <solidfox> LunarJetman: %x[16:54:54] <CaffeineNicotine> pulse, cute leopard at 10m[16:55:03] <LastTalon> Mormonism? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46PXaJxzuDE[16:55:10] <pulse> it's worth listening to actually[16:55:23] <LunarJetman> solidfox: ?[16:55:28] <solidfox> LunarJetman: what[16:55:37] <LunarJetman> %x?[16:55:42] <LastTalon> I love talking to irc people about discord. It always elicits the same sorts of reactions. :P[16:55:43] <CaffeineNicotine> it is a format string[16:55:43] <solidfox> ok good[16:55:51] <CaffeineNicotine> you never saw those, it seems[16:56:04] <LastTalon> Its one of those topics where no one ever makes a real argument. Lol[16:56:12] <LunarJetman> I know what a format string is but I don't recognize 'x'[16:56:13] <solidfox> would have been bad if you saw something like 7fff0bac[16:56:15] <LastTalon> Yet seems to be highly polarizing anyway.[16:56:27] <solidfox> LunarJetman: it means hex number[16:56:31] <CaffeineNicotine> :)[16:56:38] <R2robot> slack/discord = walled gardens of yore come back to haunt us[16:56:41] <pulse> RMS doesn't like discord: https://stallman.org/discord.html[16:56:55] <LunarJetman> I thought that was %xd[16:57:01] <LastTalon> RMS. Lol[16:57:16] <LastTalon> Of course he doesn't like it. Its not free software.[16:57:19] <CaffeineNicotine> :) he is right. they don't have clear decent privacy policy[16:57:19] <R2robot> walled gardens are bad[16:57:20] <solidfox> LunarJetman: try it[16:57:29] <solidfox> or look it up[16:57:32] <solidfox> it is %x[16:57:53] <solidfox> after all you can pass a number, a pointer, a character[16:57:57] <solidfox> its not a %d[16:58:02] <CaffeineNicotine> fap fap fap[16:58:05] <LastTalon> Is it a walled garden?[16:58:17] <brainzap> was there not bad press for unity?[16:58:17] <LunarJetman> solidfox: the question remains, why did you say %x to me?[16:58:32] <CaffeineNicotine> LunarJetman, you say fuck off to random people here[16:58:40] <CaffeineNicotine> a %x is the minimum you deserve[16:58:41] <LunarJetman> CaffeineNicotine: you are not random[16:58:44] <solidfox> LunarJetman: ravioli ravioli ravioli[16:58:50] <R2robot> LastTalon: to me they are. a more modern version[16:59:00] <LastTalon> Idk. They seem to have good apis.[16:59:04] <CaffeineNicotine> LunarJetman, have you played Time and Magik? :)[16:59:23] <LunarJetman> also, I haven't used a printf format string for years as I have a clue.[17:00:14] *** Captain_Crow <Captain_Crow!~raco@adsl-68-252-56-212.dsl.wotnoh.ameritech.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[17:00:37] <LastTalon> R2robot, honestly it seems pretty open.[17:01:21] <LunarJetman> CaffeineNicotine, fuck off.[17:01:43] <R2robot> LastTalon: well slack discontintued their irc gateway[17:01:47] * CaffeineNicotine wonders why Time and Magik makes LunarJetman pissed off[17:01:57] <LastTalon> I don't much care about slack anyway.[17:02:00] <R2robot> same[17:02:05] <LastTalon> I was mainly talking about discord.[17:02:10] * CaffeineNicotine has found an interesting random trigger[17:02:17] <brainzap> I think I am going to write IRC 2.0, and because I wanna deploy it faster I am going to use electron[17:02:56] *** Beliar <Beliar!~Beliar@2a02:8108:9640:6c42:8dc1:353f:5964:f193> has joined #gamedev[17:03:14] <R2robot> discord is *slightly* more open, but I disllike that each individual server is like a walled garden.. inside each of those there are channels, but you have to be inside that server..[17:03:16] <solidfox> i think i prefer format strings over std::cout << << <<[17:03:23] <R2robot> it's a walled garden of walled gardens. lol[17:03:49] <LunarJetman> solidfox: I prefer boost.format over format strings[17:03:53] <LastTalon> R2robot, is that different from irc?[17:04:02] <brainzap> I prefer wirting my own string buffer[17:04:04] * CaffeineNicotine despises boost[17:04:19] <solidfox> LunarJetman: the bitcoin project is trying to replace boost code[17:04:22] <LunarJetman> the problem with printf format strings is that they are not localizable.[17:04:31] <LastTalon> R2robot, that seems exactly like irc to me actually.[17:04:32] <CaffeineNicotine> solidfox, good[17:04:46] <CaffeineNicotine> boost is the workaround of typical lazy coders[17:04:48] <R2robot> LastTalon: I think so.. irc = come and go as you please (for the most part) discord you have to join the individual servers[17:04:56] <pulse> i store all my strings as long ints[17:05:04] <LunarJetman> solidfox: why?[17:05:33] <LastTalon> R2robot, you have to do that on irc. Its just more restrictive with the servers in that you need an invite. But a lot of them are open servers.[17:05:38] <solidfox> LunarJetman: that, i do not know.[17:06:05] <R2robot> LastTalon: I feel like it's a matter of time before they go the way of facebook[17:06:07] <LastTalon> But that's sort of good if you want to run a small server just for a small community or group of friends.[17:06:32] <R2robot> LastTalon: yeah, I can see slack being useful for work..[17:06:36] <LunarJetman> irc.clicksandwhistles.net is my IRC server[17:07:07] * CaffeineNicotine stays with Freenode[17:07:20] <R2robot> https://theoatmeal.com/comics/reaching_people[17:07:31] <solidfox> i feel like irc should have been coded like diaspora[17:07:54] <CaffeineNicotine> R2robot, awesome[17:08:08] <solidfox> where there are multiple hosts, but users from any host can interact with any user from any other host[17:08:18] <LastTalon> I do see the difference in that by default with discord server membership is more permanent though.[17:08:19] <brainzap> oh my god I wanna go home[17:08:30] <LastTalon> Idk if that's necessarily a bad thing.[17:08:32] <CaffeineNicotine> solidfox, some irc servers support relays, you know[17:08:35] <LastTalon> That's how I use IRC anyway.[17:08:51] <LastTalon> I automatically connect to the same servers and channels when I come back on.[17:09:22] <CaffeineNicotine> getting back to slack.. it only worked for me when doing small teams[17:09:31] <CaffeineNicotine> all the big slack channels are to overwhelming[17:09:34] <CaffeineNicotine> *too[17:10:10] <CaffeineNicotine> there is no functionality to ignore or to organize the amount of shit the users barf in these channels[17:10:46] <pulse> i think discord is just for people who like anime[17:10:49] <brainzap> you make a no shit-channel, and then the manager gets mad and asks why he isnt invited to the no-shit channel[17:10:51] <pulse> can't find a single channel that isn't[17:10:54] <pulse> ANIME GET YOUR ANIME HERE[17:10:59] <pulse> DID WE MENTION WE HAVE ANIME[17:11:06] * pulse ~~~>`...[17:11:10] <LastTalon> pulse, that might have to do with the kind of servers you're on. :P[17:11:14] <LunarJetman> my protocol will support the concept of a "conversation" within a channel; people can join individual conversations or see all conversations.[17:11:15] <R2robot> i mostly associate discord with Twitch.[17:11:25] <R2robot> Most streamers have a discord server[17:11:44] <brainzap> the akward moment when a friend invits you to discord and it is full of loli shit[17:11:48] <LastTalon> Most of everyone has a discord server. They're really easy to make.[17:11:49] <CaffeineNicotine> pulse, can we get 'anime' for free in discord?[17:12:13] <R2robot> i mean, you sign into discord, you have a server.[17:12:23] <R2robot> but that's just you flapping in the wind[17:12:34] <R2robot> and nobody wants to join you[17:12:34] <CaffeineNicotine> you mean, a back door?[17:12:46] <R2robot> it's the streamers that actually have active communities[17:13:05] <LastTalon> Many game developers and individual games have their own discord servers as well.[17:13:37] <R2robot> the ones I know stream their game dev[17:13:47] <brainzap> got some links?[17:14:04] <R2robot> hotdogs?[17:14:12] <LastTalon> Hotdogs get a bad rap.[17:14:26] <CaffeineNicotine> (screechy voice) GOT A LIGHT?[17:14:28] <R2robot> 100% beef, but they don't taste like steak. rap deserved![17:14:38] *** Sadale <Sadale!~Sadale@unaffiliated/sadale> has quit IRC (Max SendQ exceeded)[17:14:40] <LastTalon> They got a cool shape. Got protein.[17:14:45] <LastTalon> You like hotdogs, right?[17:14:53] <R2robot> sometimes[17:14:55] <CaffeineNicotine> THIS IS THE WATER![17:15:04] *** Sadale <Sadale!~Sadale@unaffiliated/sadale> has joined #gamedev[17:15:19] <solidfox> LastTalon likes long shaped meats[17:15:20] <CaffeineNicotine> THIS IS THE WELL![17:15:35] <solidfox> specifically weiners (like actual oscar meyers weiners perhaps?)[17:15:36] <CaffeineNicotine> DRINK DEEP...[17:15:59] <LastTalon> Nathan's hot dogs are pretty good actually.[17:16:01] <CaffeineNicotine> ...AND DESCEND![17:16:21] <solidfox> LastTalon: ive stopped eating hot dogs. i dont even remember the last time i had them[17:16:24] *** Sadale <Sadale!~Sadale@unaffiliated/sadale> has quit IRC (Max SendQ exceeded)[17:16:32] <R2robot> sausage > hotdogs[17:16:35] <LastTalon> I don't really eat much meat at all actually.[17:16:39] <solidfox> R2robot: agreed[17:16:57] <LastTalon> Hot dogs are sausages.[17:16:58] *** Sadale <Sadale!~Sadale@unaffiliated/sadale> has joined #gamedev[17:17:00] <LastTalon> You silly[17:17:02] <R2robot> no[17:17:03] <solidfox> i dont like breakfast sausages though[17:17:07] <CaffeineNicotine> sucks[17:17:11] <CaffeineNicotine> eat proper meat[17:17:13] <CaffeineNicotine> not mystery meat[17:17:14] <solidfox> and i dont like hotdog sausages either[17:17:28] <CaffeineNicotine> mystery meat = SALT AND FAT[17:17:35] <solidfox> fat is good[17:17:41] <CaffeineNicotine> (bad) FAT[17:17:45] <solidfox> oh ok[17:17:49] <R2robot> hotdogs started out as sausage, now they're just overly processed left over bits of organs and things. blech![17:17:49] <LastTalon> All hot dogs are sausages. Not all sausages are hot dogs.[17:17:51] * solidfox gasps[17:18:01] <CaffeineNicotine> R2robot, I wish hotdogs were other organs only[17:18:09] <CaffeineNicotine> at least we would be eating something with vitamins[17:18:12] <solidfox> idk why, but im not liking jokes today[17:18:25] * LastTalon eats braunschweiger[17:18:31] <LastTalon> >.>[17:18:38] * CaffeineNicotine likes livers, hearts, etc.[17:18:52] <CaffeineNicotine> yummy yummy chicken hearts in my tummy[17:19:04] <pulse> * Cannot join ##hell (Channel is invite only)[17:19:06] <pulse> :/[17:19:09] <CaffeineNicotine> even kidneys can be very tasteful if cooked with care[17:19:16] <CaffeineNicotine> pulse, don't worry. it is just a matter of time[17:19:19] <solidfox> you guys are gross[17:19:23] <solidfox> eat real food[17:19:24] <pulse> agreed[17:19:25] <solidfox> like beans[17:19:28] <CaffeineNicotine> solidfox, organs are real food[17:19:37] <pulse> meat is disgusting[17:19:38] <LastTalon> Beans?[17:19:44] <CaffeineNicotine> I wish I could translate MOCOTO[17:19:52] <solidfox> meat is also killing the planet[17:20:02] <LastTalon> You're killing the planet. D:<[17:20:03] <solidfox> it should be illegal to eat meat really, but thats not gonna happen[17:20:06] <CaffeineNicotine> it is only of the most nutritious eco-friendly strong dishes ever[17:20:18] <CaffeineNicotine> it started as a food for slaves[17:20:34] <CaffeineNicotine> because they were allowed only to eat the leftovers[17:21:02] <LastTalon> Lobsters are the rats of the sea. :D[17:21:13] <CaffeineNicotine> MOCOTO is a stew made with white beans and the cow's paws and stomach[17:21:13] <solidfox> but they taste good[17:21:18] <R2robot> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_slime[17:21:45] <solidfox> LastTalon: i think i had lobster before, but it might have been crab[17:21:45] <CaffeineNicotine> we brazilians usually add more stuff to it, like most other cow parts and spices[17:21:55] <solidfox> LastTalon: we ate it with butter, and i remember i had an arm, and found a string to pull on to make it move[17:22:02] <CaffeineNicotine> you eat this stew in a chilly winter, you can endure the cold weather like the russians[17:22:09] <CaffeineNicotine> you eat this after a hangover, you are cured instantly[17:22:19] <LastTalon> Its the cure all the cures a lot![17:22:24] * CaffeineNicotine does not like lobster much, though[17:22:38] <LastTalon> I like crab.[17:22:45] <solidfox> hmm[17:22:50] <CaffeineNicotine> hmm :)~[17:22:50] <solidfox> yeah idk what it was[17:23:41] <R2robot> shrimp > all other seafood[17:23:50] <LastTalon> R2robot, what, you don't like animal parts in your animal parts?[17:23:59] <LastTalon> Shellfish are great.[17:24:05] <LastTalon> Unless you're allergic.[17:24:15] <LastTalon> But even then, they're still pretty great.[17:24:15] <R2robot> LastTalon: i like non-organ beef![17:24:18] <CaffeineNicotine> blim blom blom blom SHELL SHOCK[17:24:22] <LastTalon> Whats wrong with organs?[17:24:39] *** stefkos <stefkos!~Pawel@79.184.29.81.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:24:41] <R2robot> the only organ I eat is stomach[17:24:45] <R2robot> in Menudo[17:24:46] <R2robot> :D[17:24:47] <CaffeineNicotine> yummy yummy fried chicken liver in my tummy[17:24:55] * LastTalon eats more braunschweiger[17:25:01] <solidfox> R2robot: arent all meats some kind of organ[17:25:17] <R2robot> solidfox: not internal organs[17:25:19] <LastTalon> Its just animal parts. D:<[17:25:25] <R2robot> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menudo_(soup) yummmmm[17:25:47] <LastTalon> Next you'll tell me you don't like eating bird embryos.[17:25:49] <solidfox> oh ok but still an organ[17:26:04] <R2robot> LastTalon: I draw the line at Balot[17:26:07] <R2robot> Balut* ?[17:26:22] <LastTalon> Lol[17:26:32] <R2robot> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balut_(food)[17:26:37] <LastTalon> I know what it is.[17:26:39] <LastTalon> :P[17:26:47] <R2robot> :P[17:27:11] <LastTalon> And perhaps you'll start telling me that you don't like eating horse meat.[17:27:13] <R2robot> I stopped eating Menudo for YEARS when I found out what the 'meat' actually was. lol[17:27:23] <LastTalon> What? You like cows, but not horses? D:<[17:27:28] <R2robot> never tried horse[17:27:30] <CaffeineNicotine> ew at balut[17:27:39] <R2robot> Buffalo is really good :D[17:28:12] <CaffeineNicotine> Menudo is good too. it seems like a variation of our MOCOTO', but more reddish[17:28:40] <R2robot> cows feet?![17:28:44] <LastTalon> Yes. I love red flavor.[17:28:56] <LastTalon> Red 40 pls.[17:29:10] <R2robot> lol[17:29:54] <LastTalon> Its amazing how arbitrary our taste in food is.[17:30:19] * LastTalon feeds people braunschweiger.[17:30:19] <CaffeineNicotine> oh yeah[17:30:27] <CaffeineNicotine> food taste is a huge gray area[17:30:29] * LastTalon tells them what it is after[17:30:43] <brainzap> it was the neighbours dog[17:30:51] <CaffeineNicotine> the same shit counts for eating meat, vegetarianism, veganism, breathanism, etc.[17:30:55] *** macza <macza!~macza@162.221.202.202> has joined #gamedev[17:31:12] <LastTalon> Its literally pork liver and other pork trimmings.[17:31:17] *** rts-sander <rts-sander!~rts-sande@185.60.252.150> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:31:17] <LastTalon> IN natural casings.[17:31:53] <CaffeineNicotine> YUM[17:31:55] <LastTalon> Lots of vitamin A[17:31:56] <LastTalon> :D[17:31:57] <CaffeineNicotine> YEAH[17:31:59] <CaffeineNicotine> PROTEIN FTW[17:32:01] <R2robot> I could probably live off shrimp if given the chance (and if the mercury count was low enough)[17:32:13] <CaffeineNicotine> shrimp and most of fish have this issue[17:32:17] <CaffeineNicotine> can't eat them at will[17:32:21] <CaffeineNicotine> it is a death sentence[17:32:21] <LastTalon> R2robot, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY-FJvRqK0E[17:32:36] <R2robot> CaffeineNicotine: I volunteer as tribute![17:32:45] * CaffeineNicotine loves everything that comes from the sea[17:32:48] <CaffeineNicotine> all in my tummy[17:32:52] <CaffeineNicotine> yummy yummy[17:33:04] <LastTalon> Clams and oysters and shrimp.[17:33:07] <CaffeineNicotine> does it swim? then I can eat it[17:33:21] <R2robot> First time I had sushi, I told my friend not to tell me what I was eating or I probably would hate it.[17:33:25] <LastTalon> Scallops[17:33:25] <R2robot> turns out EEL is the BEST[17:33:30] <CaffeineNicotine> woooo sushi[17:33:44] <CaffeineNicotine> you can eat a lot of weird stuff in a proper sushi bar[17:33:44] <LastTalon> Crab is still my favorite so far.[17:34:03] <CaffeineNicotine> they know how to make gross sea creatures like eel to taste amazingly[17:34:10] <R2robot> hah[17:34:22] <CaffeineNicotine> too bad the decent sushi bars cost a fortune[17:34:23] <LastTalon> Eel doesn't actually taste bad tho.[17:34:28] <LastTalon> Lol[17:34:34] <CaffeineNicotine> try eating lousy or bad eel to see what happens[17:34:37] <R2robot> it's super good[17:34:39] <LastTalon> You just have the perception that its a slimy gross thing.[17:34:49] <CaffeineNicotine> with salmon or tuna you have a lot of wiggle room[17:34:51] <CaffeineNicotine> but not with eel[17:35:03] <R2robot> had my friend told me before hand that it was eel, im sure I would have hated it. lol[17:35:14] *** fidasx <fidasx!~fidasx@ppp-94-66-221-178.home.otenet.gr> has joined #gamedev[17:35:22] <LastTalon> R2robot, open your mind. D:<[17:35:39] <R2robot> it is.. I ate it and LOVED IT[17:35:39] <CaffeineNicotine> everytime you say eel, I remember of this https://cdn.wikimg.net/en/strategywiki/images/1/1d/Hydlide_Eel.png[17:35:43] <LastTalon> Gotta have that egg sushi[17:36:03] <R2robot> hah, I used to eat raw eggs all the time[17:36:11] <LastTalon> Its not raw eggs.[17:36:16] <LastTalon> :P[17:36:21] <R2robot> oh[17:36:24] <R2robot> O_o[17:36:24] <LastTalon> Its very carefully cooked eggs actually.[17:36:34] <CaffeineNicotine> I don't know why I love Hydlide so much[17:36:34] <LastTalon> Supposedly one of the harder sushi dishes to make.[17:36:36] <CaffeineNicotine> it is a silly rpg[17:37:05] <LastTalon> Tamagoyaki[17:38:09] <R2robot> eat live octopus and let it grab onto your tongue so you can't swallow it[17:38:18] <LastTalon> R2robot, good way to die. :D[17:38:24] <R2robot> :D[17:38:39] <LastTalon> Calamari is good, too. :O[17:38:53] <R2robot> too rubbery[17:39:08] <LastTalon> Nah.[17:39:19] <LastTalon> Gotta cook it properly.[17:39:25] *** freefork_afk is now known as freestyledork[17:39:56] <LastTalon> Oh man...[17:40:09] <LastTalon> You guys are making me want to eat improperly.[17:40:24] <brainzap> get that burger[17:40:30] <LastTalon> D:<[17:41:05] <R2robot> https://youtu.be/hYeKHzyZVE0?t=60[17:41:48] <LastTalon> Does he die?[17:42:48] <R2robot> we can only hope[17:42:57] <R2robot> 'cos that's nasty[17:43:15] <LastTalon> Don't worry. Lobsters can't feel pain. *lobster screaming in background*[17:43:18] <LastTalon> :D[17:43:20] *** jprajzne <jprajzne!jprajzne@nat/redhat/x-acbzhmcqfyvmifgl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[17:43:22] <R2robot> lol[17:43:40] <LastTalon> And other fairy tales people tell themselves to feel better.[17:43:56] <R2robot> i also hate that japanese dish where they serve a live fish on the plate with it's sides cut out.[17:44:35] <R2robot> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMXCGhUu2iY[17:45:08] <LastTalon> D:<[17:45:15] <LastTalon> Sorry.[17:45:18] <CaffeineNicotine> R2robot, yeah! I don't mind eating creatures, as long as they have been properly put to death[17:45:18] <LastTalon> Can't actually watch that.[17:45:25] <CaffeineNicotine> eating live things ... no no no no[17:45:32] <R2robot> :([17:45:42] *** [Relic] <[Relic]!~Relic]@2602:306:33a3:6d30:216b:86f3:69b:ff6f> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[17:45:46] <R2robot> they even cooked it's sides but kept it alive the whole time[17:45:51] <CaffeineNicotine> :((([17:46:02] <CaffeineNicotine> have you watched the original Old Boy? heh heh heh[17:46:13] <R2robot> parts of it.. don't remember much[17:46:25] <pulse> plant based diet. only way to live[17:46:28] <CaffeineNicotine> you don't remember the first scene when he finally leaves the building prison?[17:46:37] <R2robot> no[17:46:38] <CaffeineNicotine> I WANT A LIVE THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![17:46:58] <pulse> not disgusting - check. tastest great - check. feels great - check. doesn't scream - check. no bad morals associated to it - check. no massive torture industry - check[17:47:01] <LastTalon> Plants are alive.[17:47:03] <pulse> downsides: 0[17:47:06] <pulse> upsides: lots[17:47:11] <pulse> LastTalon, they don't scream and bleed, though[17:47:20] <LastTalon> Why is that so important? D:<[17:47:22] <LastTalon> Biased.[17:47:26] <CaffeineNicotine> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzJEGqek3TQ <===[17:47:28] <R2robot> plants turn to face the sun, so yeah, they're alive! suck it vegetarians![17:47:37] <brainzap> plants scream btw[17:47:46] <pulse> i mean eat what you want :p[17:47:50] <R2robot> the smell of fresh cut grass is actually a distress signal[17:48:01] <LastTalon> Yeah, most plants react to trauma.[17:48:02] <pulse> bad excuses, heard it all already[17:48:11] <CaffeineNicotine> ofc if I were hungry and crazy, I could even eat YOU[17:48:11] * pulse yawns[17:48:17] <LastTalon> You're going to tell me that their trauma doesn't matter?[17:48:31] <pulse> i'm going to tell you that seeing a plant get cut isnt' a traumatic experience for you[17:48:41] <pulse> seeing a cow get slaughtered, on the other hand, is[17:48:42] <R2robot> I avoid walking on grass[17:48:49] <LastTalon> Oh, so as long as its not traumatic for me its fine?[17:48:53] <pulse> yes[17:48:55] <LastTalon> Well then, commence the killing.[17:48:57] <LastTalon> :D[17:49:05] <LastTalon> I'll be over here playing videogames.[17:49:14] <R2robot> I grew up 'hunting', so seeing 'food animals' killed is not traumatic[17:49:23] <pulse> R2robot, i have no problem with hunting tbh[17:49:28] <R2robot> but if you're not used it it, then yeah, it probably is[17:49:34] <pulse> i have a huge problem with industrialized meat industry, though[17:49:39] <CaffeineNicotine> ^[17:49:40] <pulse> you have to see that shit to believe it[17:49:44] * CaffeineNicotine only eats grass fed[17:49:46] <LastTalon> Why tho?[17:49:48] <CaffeineNicotine> I saw it, pulse[17:49:50] <CaffeineNicotine> many times[17:49:50] <CaffeineNicotine> :[[17:49:54] <pulse> me too[17:49:59] <R2robot> I have beef cows living across from my house. O_o[17:49:59] <LastTalon> Its not traumatic to me. I don't have to look at it.[17:50:03] <LastTalon> :P[17:50:12] <pulse> if that helps you sleep, fine i guess[17:50:14] * LastTalon is a master of the meta-ethical debate[17:50:16] <CaffeineNicotine> industry is necessary, but it fucks over everything[17:50:47] <CaffeineNicotine> and only some privileged people like me can eat proper meat these days[17:51:14] <R2robot> the more urbanized the world becomes, but more industry is needed to feed us[17:51:16] <R2robot> sadly[17:51:25] <CaffeineNicotine> you need to either live in a decent farm or have some friends who give you meat from these farms or work in a decent place that serve proper meat or have lots of money and find the right places to eat such meat[17:51:27] <CaffeineNicotine> it is hard work[17:51:56] <R2robot> i'm going to build an earthship house on a farm.. raise/grow all my own food off grid :D[17:52:09] <R2robot> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthship[17:52:19] <LunarJetman> Farms don't make meat; slaughterhouses make meat.[17:52:31] <CaffeineNicotine> duh[17:52:55] <brainzap> how much plankton do you need to have breathing air for 2 humans[17:53:27] <pulse> just take a few hundred bonsai trees with you[17:54:28] <R2robot> the largest animals on earth eat the tiniest[17:54:30] <R2robot> go figure[17:54:36] <brainzap> yeah these earthships are wrong by design, you need to put the green stuff into a seperate housing connected with a filter[17:54:50] <CaffeineNicotine> and they don't fly[17:54:56] <CaffeineNicotine> they don't sail[17:54:59] <brainzap> just play rimworld and you learn[17:55:02] <CaffeineNicotine> not proper ships[17:55:09] <R2robot> haha[17:56:43] *** DaScoot <DaScoot!~Scooter@static-24-153-33-9.cpe.metrocast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[17:59:06] <LastTalon> Wtf is an earthship?[17:59:12] *** DaScoot <DaScoot!~Scooter@static-24-153-33-9.cpe.metrocast.net> has joined #gamedev[17:59:45] <CaffeineNicotine> some dumb wannabe perfect house made by hippies[17:59:59] <LastTalon> Doesn't look very perfect.[18:00:00] <R2robot> lol[18:00:11] <R2robot> nbody said anything about perfect[18:00:31] <R2robot> definitely hippy dippy[18:03:13] <LastTalon> This "convection" design doesn't make any sense.[18:03:21] <LastTalon> That wouldn't create a convection current.[18:03:26] *** Stox <Stox!~Stox@135-23-142-242.cpe.pppoe.ca> has joined #gamedev[18:04:51] <LastTalon> Quite strange.[18:05:02] <Stox> hey all o/[18:05:21] <brainzap> hello Stox[18:05:24] <LastTalon> This is reminding me of waterseer.[18:05:27] <LastTalon> Lol[18:06:26] *** fidasx <fidasx!~fidasx@ppp-94-66-221-178.home.otenet.gr> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:08:16] <LastTalon> R2robot, if you build one of these be sure to read this first. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_cooling[18:08:46] <LastTalon> I don't want you to die from heat exhaustion.[18:08:55] <R2robot> already read it[18:09:04] <R2robot> been looking at tons of options[18:09:17] <R2robot> because Texas[18:09:24] <LastTalon> Good. Cuz the explanation on the earthship page doesn't really make any sense.[18:09:25] <LastTalon> Lol[18:09:26] <R2robot> I don't trust it. :D[18:09:48] <R2robot> I found a small A/C that runs on DC power :D[18:10:01] <R2robot> expensive as fook though![18:10:01] <LastTalon> Probably a good backup option to hold onto.[18:10:31] <brainzap> just buy three fridges and keep them open[18:10:34] <R2robot> I'm actually planning to visit some pre built ones to see how effective it is.[18:10:59] <R2robot> fridges run on A/C power[18:10:59] <LastTalon> brainzap, thermodynamics! :D[18:11:12] <LastTalon> R2robot, also thermodynamics. :P[18:11:18] <R2robot> :P[18:11:25] <LastTalon> Fridges don't magically make heat disappear.[18:11:39] <pulse> why does redbull have so much of a cleaner high than coffee[18:11:39] <R2robot> fridges also create heat[18:11:57] <LastTalon> Yeah, it takes energy to move energy.[18:12:34] <LastTalon> Running a fridge with the door open will actually increase the temperature of the room.[18:13:00] <R2robot> my other option is a hobbit house fully built into a hill :D[18:13:16] <pulse> my dream too[18:13:19] <pulse> but i'm not short enough[18:13:20] <R2robot> the earthship kinda creates the hill/thermal mass[18:13:25] <R2robot> with used tires/dirt[18:14:13] <brainzap> the fun thing is after a few years the stored thermal energy is so much that it heats up the home from the earth[18:17:02] <R2robot> :)[18:17:08] *** solidfox <solidfox!~solidfox@unaffiliated/snake/x-2550465> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.3)[18:24:24] *** deiive <deiive!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d891:3a10:d578:fc97> has joined #gamedev[18:32:45] <LunarJetman> In an isolated system entropy can only increase.[18:34:33] <pulse> humans are good at decreasing entropy[18:35:38] <Stox> i'm pretty good at increasing it too[18:36:09] <pulse> goes both ways[18:40:52] *** freestyledork is now known as freefork_afk[18:41:45] <LastTalon> That's not strictly true.[18:43:11] <pulse> vague truths are good enough for my taste[18:43:23] *** Serpent7776 <Serpent7776!~Serpent77@90-156-31-193.internetia.net.pl> has joined #gamedev[18:44:42] <LastTalon> Entropy is quite an interesting concept that most people unfortunately understand wrongly.[18:45:04] <pulse> it's also not a single concept[18:45:15] <pulse> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(disambiguation)[18:45:27] <LastTalon> Thermodynamic entropy.[18:45:29] <LastTalon> Obviously.[18:45:32] <pulse> i'm mostly interested in entropy from an information theory standpoint[18:45:47] <LastTalon> Information theory has a similar problem.[18:45:49] <LastTalon> Also fun though.[18:46:43] <LastTalon> Hang on. I remember a good video about entropy and microstates.[18:47:09] <LastTalon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfffy12uQ7g[18:48:20] <Stox> ooh watching that later for sure[18:56:04] * brainzap uses his ultimate move on pulse[18:57:55] <pulse> :s[18:58:05] <LunarJetman> LastTalon: what I said is true: it can only increase (or stay the same); it cannot decrease.[18:58:09] * pulse casts protection from all magic[18:58:35] <pulse> LunarJetman, false. when i make a painting, i'm decreasing entropy[18:58:37] <pulse> check and mate[18:59:02] <LunarJetman> pulse: you are not in an isolated system. check and mate[18:59:15] <pulse> well, put me in a spaceship[19:01:15] <LastTalon> Staying the same is important.[19:01:52] <LunarJetman> well obviously by "can only increase" I meant "not decrease"; also, I am quoting a fucking MUSE lyric.[19:01:52] <LastTalon> Also the second law is about the transfer of energy between systems.[19:02:27] *** knops <knops!~yannick@ip-62-143-84-11.hsi01.unitymediagroup.de> has joined #gamedev[19:02:32] <LastTalon> The sum of the entropy between interacting isolated systems must stay the same or increase.[19:02:42] <pulse> what do you call this kind of text: * blah blah[19:02:52] <pulse> like when you have a book and it says word*[19:02:58] <pulse> and then you have at the bottom * word means blabla[19:03:00] <pulse> what is that called[19:03:07] <LunarJetman> footnote[19:03:09] <pulse> AH[19:03:11] <pulse> thanks![19:03:16] <LastTalon> Here's one about maxwell's demon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR23aMjIHIY[19:05:40] *** deiive <deiive!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d891:3a10:d578:fc97> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[19:05:41] <LastTalon> pulse, you'll like that one if you're intersted in information theory.[19:06:11] <pulse> saved for later[19:06:19] <pulse> deadline to catch, etc[19:06:28] <pulse> thankfully i'm hyped up on redbull[19:06:31] <pulse> hopped up*[19:07:01] <pulse> secret weapon for making deadlines[19:10:12] *** Tobbi <Tobbi!~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[19:10:47] <catphish> "hyped up on redbull" - i can't believe anyone drinks that stuff, it tastes like crap, afaik the active ingredient is marketing[19:11:06] <pulse> agreed[19:11:13] <programmerq> ^^ agreed. monster energy is way better.[19:11:17] <pulse> better than monster tho[19:11:19] <pulse> hah[19:11:29] <pulse> i avoid caffeine but today it was either a) drink redbull b) miss deadline[19:11:40] <pulse> i've been saving it for like 3 months[19:11:59] <LastTalon> LunarJetman, also because its all statistics it could of course do something different. It just doesn't happen in any normal amount of time.[19:12:32] <LastTalon> So you could have a decrease in entropy sometime, but its incredibly unlikely.[19:13:56] *** code_zombie <code_zombie!~code_zomb@2605:a601:aa1:da00:6cd1:71e9:b06:89b2> has joined #gamedev[19:15:51] *** xen74 <xen74!~xen74@2001:44b8:2e3:9b00:f85c:afa4:57ec:c658> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:35:23] *** rewind_ <rewind_!~rewind@2a01:e35:87d1:600:5476:54a5:b524:7a55> has joined #gamedev[19:38:59] *** rewind__ <rewind__!~rewind@girafe-sage.et.ours-courageux.info> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[19:50:55] <brainzap> is there a way in game maker to draw an outline around a sprite, for unit selection[19:52:31] *** SaraDR <SaraDR!~SaraDT@unaffiliated/saradt> has joined #gamedev[19:54:11] <pulse> probably[19:54:13] * pulse shrugs[19:54:19] <pulse> never used GM[19:54:34] <pulse> you could always fake it by adding outline sprites[20:04:17] *** cheakoirccloud <cheakoirccloud!uid293319@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rmqmsdizmulemwyo> has joined #gamedev[20:13:34] *** knops <knops!~yannick@ip-62-143-84-11.hsi01.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:19:24] <mr_lou> Yea, I'd also say; make a sprite with the outline.[20:19:34] * mr_lou don't use (any) game maker either[20:21:48] *** Tobbi <Tobbi!~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi> has joined #gamedev[20:23:12] *** cantelope[afk] is now known as cantelope[20:25:44] * mr_lou registered channel #blu-play for those interested in creating games for PS3, PS4 and/or XB1 using Java (BD-J). www.blu-play.com[20:26:19] <SaraDR> is PS3 dev still a thing?[20:28:29] <mr_lou> SaraDR, Commodore 64 dev, Amiga dev, ZX Spectrum dev, Amstrad CPC dev - all still a thing[20:28:38] <mr_lou> 35 year old computers[20:28:49] <mr_lou> It's a geeky hobby. Not a business. ;-)[20:28:57] <mr_lou> (Although a lot of retro games are actually sold commercially)[20:29:12] <SaraDR> Oh, I saw one of the more impressive things I've seen in a long time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWQ0591PAxM[20:29:25] <SaraDR> About how some of the optimizations done to cram a game into 40 bytes, for the NES.[20:29:43] <SaraDR> I mean,; To 40+ people it might just be "how it was", But i'm only 30, to me it's very awesome.[20:33:37] <mr_lou> Exactly. :-)[20:34:05] <mr_lou> It's a little bit the same with Java dev for PS3, PS4 and XB1 - because you're limited to Java Micro Edition. So it's somewhat the same kind of challenge.[20:34:12] <mr_lou> Just in a slightly bigger scale of course, but still[20:35:04] <SaraDR> The sprite optimization for the bosses, and the using of the last byte for offset in that video. Wow.[20:35:09] <mr_lou> :-)[20:35:22] <mr_lou> Yea. And people still makes games for the NES.[20:35:58] <SaraDR> How do you program for that?[20:36:01] <mr_lou> I like game development, but for some reason I prefer when it's done on some niche platform. Of course, retro game development is getting less and less niche.[20:36:03] <SaraDR> Surely not in ASM?[20:36:14] <mr_lou> I would think ASM yes.[20:36:56] <mr_lou> I don't know for sure though. I grew up with the Amstrad CPC myself, and did a game for that using a mix of C and ASM. I know the C64 also offers the same. Probably NES does too.[20:37:20] <SaraDR> I think I'll stick to C# for now when it comes to games.[20:37:39] <mr_lou> :-)[20:37:47] <SaraDR> I wonder if the future will have people using visual node based programming like scratch for everything, and they would ask me, if people really wrote high level languages by hand.[20:38:40] <mr_lou> Probably.[20:38:53] <mr_lou> If you know C#, then you also know Java.[20:39:15] <Stox> vr node based programming**[20:39:44] <SaraDR> Sure, I done programming in many languages, Haskell, Prolog, Erlang, C, C#, Java, Python, JavaScript, SML and a bunch of others.[20:39:58] <SaraDR> But only game development in C#.[20:41:01] <SaraDR> I was actually looking for a fun project to do with my boyfriend, and was thinking of building a 8 bit "computer", by creating all the chips from logic gates, such as half-adders/full adders, shift registers and such.[20:41:15] <SaraDR> But could be fun to actually do some ASM and actually run it on some old console.[20:41:50] <mr_lou> SaraDR, I would advice you to try with something smaller.[20:42:16] <mr_lou> SaraDR, Pick one of the platforms. Like the C64 or NES. And then dive into a simple game-project for that.[20:43:02] <SaraDR> I also considered trying to recreate some early day graphic engines, I am really impressed with how the e.g. Carmack ideas for graphic handling was done.[20:43:24] <SaraDR> But in a high level language. Just to work with the optimizations / way of thinking, more than the actual low level languages used.[20:43:50] *** BrahRah <BrahRah!~BrahRah@185.192.69.74> has quit IRC (Quit: KVIrc 4.9.2 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/)[20:44:12] <SaraDR> iunno.. I'll have to think some more about it I guess.[20:45:02] <mr_lou> SaraDR, Someone actually made it possible to dev for the old 8-bit platforms using Java. It's called "Java Grinder".[20:48:12] <brainzap> https://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/DoctorLudos/20171207/311143/Making_a_Game_Boy_game_in_2017_A_quotSheep_It_Upquot_PostMortem_part_12.php[20:49:05] *** notus <notus!uid244649@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nicplxeqwkihfkuw> has joined #gamedev[20:49:17] *** brainzap <brainzap!~brainzap@217.22.129.78> has quit IRC (Quit: My tummy says it's time to sleep Mr. Bubbles.)[20:49:25] <SaraDR> It'll have to be after my current game project. But queued for reading. Thank you :)[21:00:04] *** wlf611 <wlf611!~wolf611@2001:bb6:9e06:658:f106:7a6e:2b42:8ae4> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[21:01:48] <pulse> SaraDR, awesome vid[21:02:20] <pulse> optimizations arouse me[21:02:26] <SaraDR> Me too <3[21:03:44] *** deiive <deiive!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d891:3a10:d578:fc97> has joined #gamedev[21:04:08] *** idiot136 <idiot136!~user@188.113.86.228> has joined #gamedev[21:07:47] *** babuloseo <babuloseo!~babuloseo@unaffiliated/babuloseo> has quit IRC (Quit: preee)[21:12:38] *** deiive <deiive!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d891:3a10:d578:fc97> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[21:15:10] *** pulse <pulse!~pulse@unaffiliated/pulse> has quit IRC (Quit: i like big sprites and i cannot lie, these other games cant deny)[21:20:44] *** pulse <pulse!~pulse@unaffiliated/pulse> has joined #gamedev[21:23:23] *** Stox <Stox!~Stox@135-23-142-242.cpe.pppoe.ca> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[21:23:50] *** totoro42 <totoro42!~totoro42@167.138.77.86.rev.sfr.net> has joined #gamedev[21:23:58] <totoro42> hi there[21:24:00] *** mobile_c <mobile_c!~mobile_c@cpe-172-192-12-78.qld.foxtel.net.au> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[21:24:16] <rindolf> totoro42: hey[21:24:18] <totoro42> i'm currently looking how mario 64 manages mario collisions with his environement[21:24:31] <totoro42> do any of you ever studied it ?[21:24:50] <totoro42> cause i want to dev a kind of mario 64[21:25:21] <totoro42> really simplified of course[21:25:45] <totoro42> but i would like to implement a kind of physical engine as the one in mario 64[21:26:01] <totoro42> rindolf, hey, how are you ?[21:26:11] <LunarJetman> do you want to know how to do collision detection in general or how mario 64 does it? the more specific your request the less likely you will get an answer[21:26:34] <rindolf> totoro42: did some work on https://github.com/shlomif/PySolFC[21:26:47] <CaffeineNicotine> totoro42, probably the N64 hardware does most of the job :) :) :)[21:27:17] <totoro42> well LunarJetman, i want to know 1) what kind of hitbox is used for mario to test its collision against the geometry of the map[21:27:26] <rindolf> totoro42: and i have a mixed opinion of this doc - https://github.com/charlax/professional-programming[21:27:29] <totoro42> 2) what is the algorithm behind it[21:27:34] <CaffeineNicotine> lol at 2[21:28:13] <LunarJetman> I think you should just ask "how can I do collision detection"[21:28:32] <totoro42> LunarJetman, well, you're right, but here's why i'm asking it this way[21:28:33] <CaffeineNicotine> I guess only the owners of the source code can tell you about their algorithms[21:29:07] <totoro42> n64 has limited ressources, and i know how to do collision detection using some famous algorithms like the SAT algorithm or the GJK one[21:29:15] <CaffeineNicotine> ok, so use them[21:29:19] <LunarJetman> totoro42: you can ask but you are a bit naive thinking there are mario 64 developers here who can answer[21:29:27] <totoro42> but actually those algorithms are quite expensives, and can't run on n64[21:29:39] <CaffeineNicotine> you're also forgetting about the N64 hardware builtins[21:29:43] <LunarJetman> not all are expensive[21:30:06] <LunarJetman> there is an algorithm that is O(n)[21:30:16] <CaffeineNicotine> MSX computers could do pixel collision. do you think the devs implemented that by hand? :D[21:30:17] <totoro42> CaffeineNicotine, well, i watched some videos made by guys who does TAS on mario 64[21:30:27] <CaffeineNicotine> let's google TAS[21:30:48] <totoro42> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnU7DJXiMAQ&t=1960s[21:30:50] <CaffeineNicotine> Tool-assisted speedrun ?[21:30:59] <totoro42> this one actually is quite interesting[21:31:02] <totoro42> yes CaffeineNicotine[21:31:06] <LunarJetman> totoro42: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweep_and_prune is O(n)[21:31:11] <CaffeineNicotine> wtf TAS has to do with collision detection algorithms?[21:31:39] <totoro42> CaffeineNicotine, actually, TAS on mario 64 implies to know very well how engines of the game behaves[21:32:18] <totoro42> and the video i just posted goes into details about management of geometry[21:32:41] <CaffeineNicotine> nice! ask the authors of the video then[21:32:43] <totoro42> but actually it doesn't goes in depth about mario hitbox testing against triangles of the geometry[21:32:51] <totoro42> i did CaffeineNicotine[21:33:01] <totoro42> waiting for an hypothetic answer[21:36:36] <LunarJetman> just use sweep and prune.[21:36:46] <idiot136> his pulse[21:36:51] <idiot136> hi pulse*[21:38:03] <totoro42> LunarJetman, well my question i actually about how to check mario collision with each triangles of the world geometry[21:38:09] <totoro42> is actually*[21:39:04] <totoro42> i thinked about several ways to do that : representing mario as a sphere collision hitbox, but it seems to be quite inacurate, but really simple to do calculation of intersection[21:39:48] <totoro42> another way would be to do an axis oriented bounding box, or an oriented bounding box for mario[21:40:16] <LunarJetman> are you talking about the broadphase or the narrowphase?[21:41:31] <totoro42> i don't understand what you're pointing at when using broadphase and narrowphase LunarJetman[21:42:21] *** mobile_c <mobile_c!~mobile_c@2405:7f00:8811:9800:492f:2c91:720d:8290> has joined #gamedev[21:43:01] <totoro42> i don't understand what does mean narrowphase and broadphase LunarJetman[21:43:23] <LunarJetman> collision detection has at least two phases: first you do the broadphase then you do the narrowphase[21:43:25] <LunarJetman> google it[21:44:06] <totoro42> yes ok just read a topic about it[21:44:08] <totoro42> ok got it[21:44:28] <totoro42> well, actually i want to know how works the narrowphase[21:44:53] <totoro42> the broadphase is important of course, but currently i want to wrap my mind aroung narrowphase[21:45:17] <LunarJetman> I doubt anyone here knows the mario 64 codebase[21:46:07] <totoro42> well, i don't want to have the "exact" answer, obviously i would prefer to have the exact answer but an equivalent solution will be ok[21:46:25] <LunarJetman> I doubt anyone here knows what an equivalent solution would be[21:47:04] <totoro42> well, don't you ever had developped little physic engines for video games you've built ?[21:47:24] <LunarJetman> I thought you wanted to know how mario 64 does it specifically?[21:47:33] <LunarJetman> what do you mean by "equivalent"?[21:48:13] <totoro42> a solution that would be able to do the same job as the physical engine of mario 64[21:48:29] <totoro42> with a time complexity more or less equal[21:48:34] <LunarJetman> but nobody here knows how the physical engine of mario 64 works[21:48:46] <totoro42> well, i told you[21:48:53] <LunarJetman> did you?[21:49:01] <totoro42> the geometry of the world is built of triangle[21:49:10] <LunarJetman> insufficient information.[21:49:15] <totoro42> and to test if mario is colliding a part of geometry[21:49:16] <LunarJetman> sorry you have run out of credits.[21:49:30] <totoro42> which credits ?[21:52:56] *** pavonia <pavonia!~user@unaffiliated/siracusa> has joined #gamedev[21:54:15] <totoro42> well look, here's a guy talking about it, but i don't know if it is the narrowphase or the broadphase : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hUK1Wbajt4&t=1s[21:55:35] <totoro42> actually what disturbs me is about the shape of a sphere which does not map with mario (i think mario is a kind of cylinder)[21:56:39] <totoro42> but in the video they talk about check collisions with a sphere (mario) and a triangle (piece of the floor, walls, ceils)[21:56:40] <CaffeineNicotine> lol @ the credits :)[21:59:19] <totoro42> CaffeineNicotine, don't you have an idea ?[21:59:58] *** solidfox <solidfox!~solidfox@unaffiliated/snake/x-2550465> has joined #gamedev[22:07:24] <CaffeineNicotine> do your own research. 3D collision is a solved problem already with multiple sources of knowledge over all the internet[22:07:54] <solidfox> yes thats what i plan to do with my LAW engine[22:08:06] <CaffeineNicotine> lol[22:08:27] <CaffeineNicotine> totoro42, feel free to bug solidfox . he is nicer than us[22:08:38] * CaffeineNicotine gets a chair :}[22:08:46] <LunarJetman> if it is a Christian engine it can fuck off.[22:09:04] <solidfox> video games are of the devil[22:09:28] * CaffeineNicotine wonders wtf is a christian engine[22:09:34] <solidfox> yeah i never heard of that[22:09:38] <totoro42> solidfox, you're planning to do collisions among spheres and triangles to handle collisions with your character and the geometry of the map ?[22:10:12] <solidfox> totoro42: im gonna enable collision detection by writing code and algorithms[22:10:21] <SaraDR> lol[22:10:26] <solidfox> (as opposed to heuristics)[22:10:50] <totoro42> ok, what kind of game are you coding solidfox ?[22:11:08] *** mobile_c <mobile_c!~mobile_c@2405:7f00:8811:9800:492f:2c91:720d:8290> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[22:11:11] <solidfox> tetris story mode[22:11:20] <CaffeineNicotine> lol indeed[22:11:26] <totoro42> you're doing a tetris game ?[22:11:29] <solidfox> with photorealism[22:11:49] <CaffeineNicotine> I think you should use a christian engine to have some holy photos there[22:11:56] <SaraDR> Or a vegan macpan, where the ghosts don't eat cheese?[22:11:57] <totoro42> but you just need a kind of bitmap to handle the physics of tetris isn't it ?[22:12:12] <SaraDR> pacman*[22:12:14] <solidfox> SaraDR: heh[22:12:17] <CaffeineNicotine> SaraDR, they could eat vegan cheese[22:12:26] <SaraDR> Is that .. a thing?[22:12:31] <CaffeineNicotine> unfortunately yes[22:12:41] <SaraDR> I would say I need to get out more, but if that implies vegans, then I'll stay inside.[22:12:42] <solidfox> totoro42: i said its the story mode, and with photorealism and physics[22:12:50] <totoro42> well, i've got a question, more wide, about game programming, can we develop games in python using openGL ?[22:12:54] <CaffeineNicotine> you know, these pricks are ruining everything. I ate that crap by mistake yesterday[22:13:09] <solidfox> totoro42: why not write it in coq[22:13:25] <solidfox> you can use inductive types to ensure your implenetation conforms to the spec[22:13:28] <totoro42> cause coq sucks my coq[22:13:30] <aeth> Photorealistic tetris can work. I used to play "photorealistic" Minecraft which obviously was just high res textures on top of the blocks. Idk, I liked the textures but I could see why it wouldn't be for everyone.[22:13:49] <solidfox> aeth: yes it will be open world as well[22:14:02] <aeth> solidfox: I hope your tetris is open world in *all* directions.[22:14:12] <aeth> Just be a piece falling, falling, falling, trying to reach the bottom[22:14:12] <DaScoot> I remember back when I played minecraft, there was a really cool graphics mod I always wanted to try out, but the dude who ran it was eternally 3-4 months behind the latest game version[22:14:26] <solidfox> online play, micro transactions, gambling gacha loot crates with pachinko[22:14:27] <DaScoot> never did see it in action[22:14:35] <solidfox> aeth: yes. all 4 dimensions[22:15:06] <totoro42> hey, i've got another question, do anyone of you have coded his own skeletal animation engine ?[22:15:12] <aeth> DaScoot: The way you play Minecraft is to basically never update on time. Same with Kerbal Space Program and any other game where 80 mods are manditory (coincidentally, I have exactly 80 KSP mods installed right now)[22:15:19] <aeth> I haven't played Minecraft in a few years at this point, though[22:15:25] <aeth> The horse update ruined my rail systems[22:15:36] <aeth> Why build rail everywhere when some random horses are faster?[22:15:43] * CaffeineNicotine is proud of never knowing what is Minecraft[22:15:54] <totoro42> minecraft is evil[22:15:59] <aeth> CaffeineNicotine: That just means you're very, very young and should go back to Fortnite[22:16:06] <solidfox> aeth: you can use all those rails for your mines[22:16:10] <CaffeineNicotine> it is Lego for mentally challenged users[22:16:39] <solidfox> CaffeineNicotine: yes minecraft is sorta like my tetris clone. its basically an open world, photorealistic version of digital lego[22:16:57] <solidfox> but no story[22:17:09] <solidfox> thats why my tetris clone is gonna be a story game[22:18:09] <aeth> CaffeineNicotine: Minecraft's survival and combat/bosses/enemies and story and progression elements are nonsensical and trivial and weird and bad. I'm disappointed they almost entirely focused on that part of the game, but when I bought it, I didn't know that that was going to be the case.[22:18:35] <aeth> CaffeineNicotine: But as far as real time 3D editing of a world collaboratively, the skill ceiling is limitless and it's really not just for kids[22:19:04] <solidfox> lol does minecraft have a story?[22:19:09] <aeth> And of course it's limited, that's the point of an artistic medium. Without limits you just stare at a blank canvas thinking of the perfect.[22:19:16] <CaffeineNicotine> wut[22:19:21] <aeth> solidfox: Not only does Minecraft have a story, they have a separate Story Mode game[22:19:27] <solidfox> huh[22:19:28] * CaffeineNicotine hands over the non sequitur prize to aeth[22:19:30] <solidfox> never seen it before[22:19:52] <aeth> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minecraft:_Story_Mode[22:20:13] <pulse> "minecraft is a photorealistic version of digital lego"[22:20:19] <pulse> photorealistic..wat[22:20:23] <CaffeineNicotine> hehehehehe[22:20:24] <aeth> I only know about it from Steam. You know, Steam's really ineffective advertising where they show me a bunch of games I can't buy/play because I only play Linux games, instead of games I actually want to buy.[22:20:29] <solidfox> if you use the hd texture pack[22:20:29] <CaffeineNicotine> this channel is rocking today <3[22:21:10] <aeth> pulse: there is a photorealism texture pack, probably several. It's just pictures of e.g. rocks or sand.[22:21:20] <pulse> :S[22:21:28] <aeth> pulse: The whole reason we got diverted is because I pointed out that a similar "photorealism" tetris would actually kind of work[22:21:44] <aeth> I mean, you'd think that the harsh edges/etc. would make it look ugly in Minecraft but I personally liked it[22:21:51] <solidfox> pulse: i also said open world, you removed that part of my quote[22:22:07] <aeth> Imagine Tetris without boundaries![22:22:14] <pulse> photorealism /fəʊtəʊˈrɪəlɪz(ə)m/ . (in computer graphics) the rendering of images in an extremely realistic way.[22:22:17] <aeth> That's what we're getting sidetracked from talking about![22:22:22] <totoro42> ooohhhh dammit[22:22:31] <totoro42> just got a paper explaining IT ALL[22:22:32] <solidfox> yes[22:22:33] <pulse> minecraft is like, a bunch of blocks[22:22:38] <aeth> pulse: And a "photorealism texture pack" does the textures in a photorealistic way. obviously it won't mod the geometry[22:22:44] <pulse> right[22:22:56] <aeth> But it does wind up looking like realistic building blocks, yes[22:22:56] <solidfox> im trying to decide the gender of each piece in tetris, can you guys help me out[22:22:57] <totoro42> actually, in most games, characters are approximated by an ellipsoid[22:23:02] <pulse> i mean then again, nothing preventing you from stacking blocks in real life[22:23:09] <aeth> pulse: budget[22:23:14] <solidfox> also is the top score an antagonist? or is he the player's rival?????[22:23:15] <aeth> With Minecraft you can have a larger budget[22:23:16] <pulse> solidfox, there used to be this game i played[22:23:19] <pulse> sextris i think it was called[22:23:21] <pulse> look into it :p[22:23:29] <aeth> pulse: was it photorealistic?[22:23:33] <pulse> no[22:23:35] <pulse> :D[22:23:38] <solidfox> pulse: what about the top score[22:23:42] <solidfox> rival or antagonist?[22:23:54] <totoro42> then the idea to test the collision among ellipsoid and triangles is to transform all the space with the inverse matrice of the ellipsoid to make it become a sphere[22:24:00] * pulse shrugs[22:24:04] *** refs <refs!~refs@dslb-178-005-093-139.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #gamedev[22:24:28] <totoro42> then, all the calculation is actually done on a sphere against triangles which have been transformed by the inverse matrix of the ellipsoid[22:24:34] <pulse> https://i.imgur.com/3qVlpC9.jpg[22:24:34] <totoro42> and then TADAAAA[22:24:51] <totoro42> only with dot product you got the big deal[22:25:02] <solidfox> pulse: ok so girl, guy, guy there?[22:25:11] <solidfox> )left to right([22:25:52] <SaraDR> pulse, as hardest, meanest and annoying game enemy ever, I nominate the L block.[22:25:57] *** DaScoot <DaScoot!~Scooter@static-24-153-33-9.cpe.metrocast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Bye)[22:26:31] <solidfox> is I block shy[22:26:33] <solidfox> and timid[22:26:52] <solidfox> but right when you need them, they show up[22:26:56] <solidfox> eventaully[22:27:58] <pulse> SaraDR, pretty sure the Z one is more annoying[22:28:22] <solidfox> yeah i agree[22:28:24] <solidfox> Z and S[22:28:31] <solidfox> its like team rocket[22:28:33] <pulse> right, there's two[22:28:35] <pulse> even more annoying[22:28:36] <aeth> An open world tetris game looks approximately like this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Tetris_Z.svg[22:29:01] <solidfox> thats just one character aeth ...[22:29:19] <aeth> solidfox: well it's kind of hard to find the other characters when you're falling infinitely with no left/right boundaries[22:29:29] <SaraDR> Make a tetris combined with missile commander (or what it was called), and you shoot the falling blocks, and have to make rows from the falling debris lol.[22:29:34] <solidfox> aeth: i said its open world not an empty void[22:29:34] <CaffeineNicotine> open world tetris XD[22:29:39] <aeth> it becomes sort of a space game where you can't go up[22:29:58] <solidfox> aeth: the setting is in ancient russia[22:30:13] <pulse> tetris / angry birds clone when[22:31:16] <pulse> s/clone/mashup/[22:31:25] <solidfox> is player god?[22:31:43] <solidfox> oh wait thats ambiguous[22:31:52] <solidfox> there is the character called player and then the player[22:32:49] <pulse> as a player of many games, i can assure you that player is never god[22:32:52] <pulse> except possibly in black and white[22:32:54] <aeth> I want to play a Tetris clone that follows modern physics, not this Newtonian garbage. Throw in some black holes![22:32:55] <pulse> and even there it's arguable[22:33:01] <solidfox> player is god, but you play as the board.[22:33:06] <pulse> aeth, doppler shift tetris[22:33:09] <solidfox> like the actual grid[22:33:19] <aeth> pulse: one player's god in a game, but that's not a computer one, it's D&D[22:33:49] <solidfox> ok i give up[22:34:18] <solidfox> there's no way i could come up with good dialogue for all these characters[22:34:37] <aeth> all of the tertris characters?[22:34:43] <LunarJetman> it's a political hot potato .. catch[22:35:16] <solidfox> aeth: yeah[22:35:22] <aeth> Unfortunately, now that Telltale Games is gone, we'll never have Tetris: Story Mode[22:37:28] <pulse> i want to maek a gaem like caesaar2[22:37:36] <pulse> cozy romans building cozy temples[22:37:42] <LunarJetman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6E6RDdAeV8[22:37:42] <pulse> good times[22:45:09] *** babuloseo <babuloseo!~babuloseo@unaffiliated/babuloseo> has joined #gamedev[22:48:48] *** Tylak <Tylak!~Tylak@074-135-002-092.res.spectrum.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[22:49:42] <solidfox> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LtiHla1dNg desert bus story mode[22:54:18] *** AlienCat <AlienCat!~Katt@unaffiliated/aliencat> has joined #gamedev[23:00:26] <SaraDR> What's the game about? Just driving for 8 hours?[23:01:52] <solidfox> yeah its horrible[23:02:55] *** AlienCat <AlienCat!~Katt@unaffiliated/aliencat> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:08:44] *** deiive <deiive!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d891:3a10:d578:fc97> has joined #gamedev[23:10:09] <myke> desert bus is an arch classic[23:10:15] <myke> it's supposed to be horrible that's the point[23:11:04] <pulse> it's a gag from penn&teller[23:11:34] <pulse> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfjpNTqxGPA[23:18:04] *** deiive <deiive!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d891:3a10:d578:fc97> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[23:18:44] *** LunarJetman <LunarJetman!LunarJetma@92.40.86.137.threembb.co.uk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[23:18:47] *** totoro42 <totoro42!~totoro42@167.138.77.86.rev.sfr.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[23:19:17] *** babuloseo <babuloseo!~babuloseo@unaffiliated/babuloseo> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[23:21:05] *** Kingsquee 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has joined #gamedev[23:48:48] *** idiot136 <idiot136!~user@188.113.86.228> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[23:49:45] <Twipply> In regards to game engine architecture, are layers and scenes the same thing?[23:50:25] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has joined #gamedev[23:50:35] *** moongazer <moongazer!~moongazer@unaffiliated/moongazer> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[23:50:42] <Prestige> Twipply: in my engine, each scene has a set of layers, which are planes for 2d objects to be rendered upon[23:50:43] <pulse> naming things is 100%, completely arbitrary[23:50:52] <Prestige> ^ depends on the engine[23:51:02] <Twipply> I realise I can go around calling scenes dogs and ice creams if I want to[23:51:02] <pulse> [without context] :p[23:51:09] <Twipply> but that doesn't change that there might be a standard set of names people use[23:51:36] <Twipply> What kind of things do we store in scenes then?[23:51:40] <Twipply> I'm using OpenGL specifically[23:51:41] <Prestige> So in my case, a scene would contain a bunch of layers which have a rendering order[23:51:49] <Twipply> So does each scene have its own shaders, programs, models, textures, etc?[23:51:56] <Prestige> and each layer contains objects which are rendered to them[23:55:01] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[23:55:33] <Twipply> I guess such things should be stored within the engine class itself[23:55:38] <Twipply> rather than on a per layer basis[23:55:51] <Twipply> avoid duplication and stuff[23:56:37] <immibis> Twipply: I would think a scene is a collection of "everything"[23:56:51] <immibis> everything that exists in the engine[23:57:10] <immibis> so in Kerbal Space Program, the main menu is a scene, the menu where you choose which building to open is a different scene, the VAB is a scene, the actual spaceflight is another scene[23:57:42] <solidfox> totoro42: i got a video recommendation on youtube about scuplting in blender. and then another one about making simple bones and animations[23:57:48] <Twipply> Good thing I have a few hundred hours on that game to know what you just said[23:58:01] <immibis> whereas a layer suggests a set of objects that are rendered together. maybe you render static objects together and moving objects together, or opaque objects before transparent objects[23:58:26] <immibis> but the exact meaning is going to depend on the engine. in the 2D game I'm currently working on, I have an enum Layer {STATIC_LAYER, DYNAMIC_LAYER, HUD_LAYER}[23:58:50] <Twipply> Alright, so let me think about some RTS, in my head it's StarCraft but whatever is fine[23:58:55] <Twipply> the main menu would be a scene[23:59:03] <Twipply> we choose what game to play there, settings, what race to play, etc[23:59:09] <Twipply> then when a game loads up it's a new scene[23:59:18] <Twipply> and layers within this scene contain the types of thing we're rendering[23:59:21] <immibis> I would expect basically the whole "game itself" to be in one scene for most games[23:59:29] <Twipply> perhaps, for example, one layer is an instance renderer?[23:59:35] <Twipply> 'cus we have large quantities of the same entity[23:59:41] <Twipply> stalkers, roaches, other units[23:59:54] <Twipply> Another layer could be the map itself?[23:59:59] <Twipply> Only one of those, no need for instance rendering