January 16, 2019 
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January 16, 2019 [00:00:51] *** freefork_afk is now known as freestyledork[00:10:15] *** atomekk <atomekk!~atomekk@unaffiliated/atomekk> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:22:35] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has joined #gamedev[00:27:38] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[00:33:40] *** xrash <xrash!~xrash@201-0-35-48.dsl.telesp.net.br> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:55:54] *** rindolf <rindolf!~rindolf@77.125.57.214> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[01:06:29] <Atari2600> I just got this spam message: <nine_milli> blb wants to fuck u[01:06:40] <Atari2600> are you getting similar ones?[01:06:57] <Atari2600> I can't trace back the spammer to report to freenode[01:07:14] <Tylak> I haven't had any spam today[01:07:36] *** RoadKillGrill <RoadKillGrill!~RoadKillG@cpe-24-166-114-198.neo.res.rr.com> has joined #gamedev[01:10:10] *** Kingsquee <Kingsquee!~kingsquee@S01069050ca3c92d3.va.shawcable.net> has quit IRC (Quit: しょうがない)[01:24:51] <FroggyC> nothing like that[01:26:34] <aeth> Atari2600: I believe there's a recommended flag to set to prevent getting private messages from unregistered users, or something along those lines.[01:26:50] *** terminx <terminx!~terminx@173-16-252-156.client.mchsi.com> has joined #gamedev[01:28:08] <Atari2600> yeah! gonna research taht[01:28:35] *** xrash <xrash!~xrash@201-0-35-48.dsl.telesp.net.br> has joined #gamedev[01:29:05] <aeth> My flags appear to be +RZi[01:29:39] <aeth> They're called modes (user modes and channel modes)[01:29:47] <aeth> The user modes are described here: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/usermodes[01:30:08] <aeth> It's +R[01:30:29] <aeth> +g does something similar, but tells you that there was an attempt[01:33:34] *** ZeroSystem <ZeroSystem!45f81b6b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.248.27.107> has joined #gamedev[01:34:11] *** Christofosho <Christofosho!~Christofo@unaffiliated/christofosho> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:39:28] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d412:5414:67f3:2594> has joined #gamedev[01:49:09] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d412:5414:67f3:2594> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[01:50:32] *** refs <refs!~refs@dslb-178-012-114-047.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: refs)[01:59:51] *** psiom <psiom!~psiom@203.87.53.170> has joined #gamedev[01:59:54] *** freestyledork is now known as freefork_afk[02:03:55] *** macza_ <macza_!~macza@97.107.183.105> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:05:55] *** freestyledork_ <freestyledork_!~freestyle@unaffiliated/freestyledork> has joined #gamedev[02:06:18] *** mobile_c <mobile_c!~mobile_c@cpe-172-192-66-233.qld.foxtel.net.au> has joined #gamedev[02:07:05] *** blizzard_ <blizzard_!~freestyle@unaffiliated/freestyledork> has joined #gamedev[02:08:04] *** freefork_afk <freefork_afk!~freestyle@unaffiliated/freestyledork> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[02:09:57] *** freestyledork_ <freestyledork_!~freestyle@unaffiliated/freestyledork> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[02:10:08] <solidfox> Atari2600: i didnt get a spam[02:10:10] <solidfox> :<[02:17:24] <pavonia> aeth: Do you know what "unknown users" are in that context?[02:17:42] <pavonia> or anyone else[02:17:48] *** Groogy <Groogy!~Groogy@90-227-38-205-no61.tbcn.telia.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[02:19:44] <solidfox> pavonia: users that arent authenticated to freenode probably[02:22:58] <pavonia> Hhm, "/quote help accept" suggests that only explicitly while-listed users can message you[02:26:53] <solidfox> pavonia: ah[02:56:50] *** pulse <pulse!~pulse@unaffiliated/pulse> has quit IRC (Quit: pulse)[03:02:52] *** Tobbi <Tobbi!~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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WTF"[13:50:02] <DnzAtWrk> "I CLICKED THE BUTTON AND THEN IT DIDNT WORK"[13:50:30] <brainzap2> linux whiteknight[13:50:40] <jinak> o.o[13:50:45] <DnzAtWrk> I prefer linux justice warrior[13:51:06] *** brainzap <brainzap!~brainzap@77.208.14.46.static.wline.lns.sme.cust.swisscom.ch> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[13:53:08] <DnzAtWrk> god I don't want to go home[13:53:14] <DnzAtWrk> so peaceful and quiet at work[13:55:20] <R2robot> haha[13:55:23] <R2robot> that's sad[13:56:38] <jinak> etherotuwehtklewjthelkther[13:57:04] <jinak> DOWNLOAD MY FUCKING APP AND EXECUTE IN YOUR FUCKING MACHINE NOW!!!! SHIT!!!!! >:([13:57:17] <DnzAtWrk> pass, make a js version[13:58:36] <jinak> PFFFRRRTTT!!!💨💩💩💩💩💩💩︵💩[13:59:30] <DnzAtWrk> seriously though. I do not download random executables and run them on my machine. It's too risky[13:59:34] <jinak> PfffFFFRRRRRRTTTTRRRFFFFFFFFRFRFRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRFFFFRRTTT!!!💨💩💩💩💩💩💩︵💩︵💩💩💩💩💩💩︵💩︵💩💩💩💩💩💩︵💩︵💩💩💩💩💩💩︵💩︵💩💩💩💩💩💩︵💩[13:59:59] <jinak> ok, now I'm more relaxed...[14:00:15] <jinak> DnzAtWrk, my app no is a random app...[14:00:28] <jinak> DnzAtWrk, you never see about of BlackRook?[14:02:01] <jinak> DnzAtWrk, you never ear or see of #BlackRook channel??[14:03:11] <jinak> now you're ignored me...[14:03:19] *** jinak <jinak!~jinak@190.176.247.242> has left #gamedev ("YOU KIDDING ME?? YOU KIDDING MEEE???? (PC drinking beer) *kernel panic!*")[14:03:19] <DnzAtWrk> no, I just looked over the github[14:04:50] <DnzAtWrk> nobody likes not having their achivements acknowledged[14:05:01] <DnzAtWrk> achieve*[14:05:22] <jprajzne> hmm, blackrook sounds familiar[14:06:26] <DnzAtWrk> I'm not a fan of card games :P[14:06:31] <jprajzne> ah, now i know[14:06:37] <DnzAtWrk> solitaire can bite me[14:06:46] <jprajzne> it't rmbeer in disguise :)[14:07:25] <jprajzne> that game server guy, i did some translation for him[14:07:39] <DnzAtWrk> I know him[14:07:45] <DnzAtWrk> which means he is either nice or an asshole[14:08:03] <jprajzne> nice asshole[14:16:50] *** Captain_Crow <Captain_Crow!~raco@adsl-68-252-56-212.dsl.wotnoh.ameritech.net> has joined #gamedev[14:19:01] <Captain_Crow> are there any open source cross platform 3d graphics engines that are easy to use with c++ and well explained and supported?[14:25:30] *** brainzap2 <brainzap2!~brainzap@217.22.129.78> has quit IRC (Quit: My tummy says it's time to sleep Mr. Bubbles.)[14:25:54] <pulse> openGL[14:25:55] <pulse> :D[14:26:59] <jprajzne> opengl is a library :)[14:27:57] <pulse> details, details[14:28:19] <Captain_Crow> doesnt opengl just draw 2d triangles?[14:28:23] *** DaScoot <DaScoot!~Scooter@static-24-153-33-9.cpe.metrocast.net> has joined #gamedev[14:28:26] <pulse> :S[14:28:39] <pulse> rude[14:28:42] <jprajzne> Captain_Crow: it does do them in 3d too[14:28:53] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:1903:bc79:8a4c:608f> has joined #gamedev[14:29:08] <pulse> but the monitor is 2D[14:29:52] <Captain_Crow> what's the easiest way to get 3d with opengl?[14:30:02] <Captain_Crow> is there a library for the 3d math?[14:30:38] <pulse> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_game_engines[14:30:41] <pulse> it's dangerous to go alone, take this[14:31:11] *** Twipply <Twipply!~Twipply@unaffiliated/twipply> has joined #gamedev[14:31:13] <Captain_Crow> i been there many times, a lot of dead and abandoned engines[14:31:42] <pulse> is ogre3d still a thing[14:31:52] <pulse> i remember it being the popular choice for a while[14:32:29] <Captain_Crow> i was just at their irc channel, was like 20 people, all seemed afk, i remember there used to be like 300 there[14:33:19] <pulse> i think godot is the modern popular choice[14:33:34] <DnzAtWrk> godot is more like unity I think[14:33:37] <DnzAtWrk> ie a scene graph[14:33:49] <pulse> yeah but i'm pretty sure you can code from scratch in it too[14:34:05] <Captain_Crow> godot uses gdscript[14:34:18] <Captain_Crow> as far as i know no c++ support[14:36:08] *** brainzap <brainzap!~brainzap@217.22.129.78> has joined #gamedev[14:36:22] *** brainzap <brainzap!~brainzap@217.22.129.78> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[14:38:13] *** brainzap <brainzap!~brainzap@217.22.129.78> has joined #gamedev[14:39:34] <DnzAtWrk> run program[14:39:41] <DnzAtWrk> Segmentation fault (core dumped)[14:39:48] <DnzAtWrk> thank you very helpful[14:40:19] <brainzap> just dont write errors lol[14:40:52] <DnzAtWrk> didn't make the program[14:43:11] <Captain_Crow> does opengl actually handle the 3d math?[14:43:34] <DnzAtWrk> no[14:44:06] <DnzAtWrk> you need a proper vector/matrix math library[14:44:10] <DnzAtWrk> not sure which is best[14:44:17] <brainzap> doing it by hand[14:44:22] <DnzAtWrk> screw that[14:44:41] <pulse> doing it by foot[14:44:46] *** iLoVue <iLoVue!~DinoJS@41.111.76.124> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[14:44:46] <Captain_Crow> what's easiest vector/matrix math library to learn?[14:45:00] <brainzap> the one with most documentatoin[14:45:04] <DnzAtWrk> if its good it should be no different from other libraries[14:45:39] <DnzAtWrk> GLM[14:45:40] <DnzAtWrk> ?[14:45:47] <Captain_Crow> the only "math" library i know of is glm and i didnt understand it well[14:45:48] <pulse> why not just use unreal[14:46:04] <pulse> isn't it free now[14:46:37] <Captain_Crow> i dont think so, it's open source but under an eula with licence and royalty fees as far as i know[14:46:44] <DnzAtWrk> <brainzap> doing it by hand[14:46:46] <DnzAtWrk> whups[14:46:54] <DnzAtWrk> https://github.com/g-truc/glm/blob/master/manual.md[14:46:58] <DnzAtWrk> what a pain in the ass[14:47:02] <DnzAtWrk> but that's C for you[14:47:16] <pulse> this seems somewhat interesting https://urho3d.github.io/[14:49:52] <brainzap> AngelScript[14:53:01] <DnzAtWrk> why C though[14:53:20] <DnzAtWrk> the only time I would consider using C for gamedev is if I were to make a console game from scratch or something[14:53:24] <DnzAtWrk> which I don't[14:54:08] <DnzAtWrk> there is just so much extra effort for a boost in performance[14:55:02] <pulse> C is nice[14:55:07] <pulse> until you start doing something with strings[14:55:20] <DnzAtWrk> <pulse> until you start doing something[14:55:26] <pulse> :D[14:55:30] <brainzap> until you need to implement buisness values[14:57:15] <Captain_Crow> glm is for turning 3d space co-ordinates into 2d screen co-ordinates for opengl?[14:57:35] <brainzap> opengl is 3d[14:57:40] <jprajzne> it;s funny, because strings are why k&r wrote c, i think? :)[14:57:47] <DnzAtWrk> to be fair, that bit of 3d math is really quite minimal[14:57:55] <DnzAtWrk> you could probably make a library for that in like 500 lines of code[14:58:10] <DnzAtWrk> https://github.com/datenwolf/linmath.h/blob/master/linmath.h[14:58:11] <brainzap> americans didn't expect that there would be more than 127 characters[14:58:12] <DnzAtWrk> oh look someone did[14:58:17] <DnzAtWrk> but I don't know how buggy it is[14:58:51] <DnzAtWrk> yeah, sounds like there are still some bugs in the issue tracker[14:59:36] <Captain_Crow> im confused, does opengl itself do 3d or not?[14:59:54] <DnzAtWrk> of course[14:59:59] <DnzAtWrk> all GPU graphics are in 3d[15:00:04] <DnzAtWrk> even the 2d games[15:01:01] <DnzAtWrk> I guess software blitting isn't[15:01:07] <DnzAtWrk> except for the texture[15:01:19] <Captain_Crow> opengl automatically handles 3d co-ordinates and displays them to the screen?[15:01:33] <DnzAtWrk> mmm, how to explain this[15:01:35] <DnzAtWrk> give me a sec[15:02:07] <DnzAtWrk> what you give the GPU is textures and buffers arrays of values[15:02:15] <jprajzne> opengl does 3d, simple answer[15:02:51] <DnzAtWrk> the vertex shader deals with transforming your x,y,z coordinates into 2d coordinates on the screen[15:02:59] <jprajzne> there's a rasterizer that does translation from 3d to 2d in order to display the content on the monitor[15:03:23] <Captain_Crow> oh[15:04:06] <Captain_Crow> what's the purpose of glm then?[15:04:25] <DnzAtWrk> that's the actual 3d math[15:04:38] <DnzAtWrk> both the GPU and your program needs to do that[15:04:59] <DnzAtWrk> you need to transform your 3D points in different ways and move between local and global coordinates and whatnot[15:05:10] <DnzAtWrk> and the GPU deals with transforming your 3D coordinates into a 2D image[15:05:49] <DnzAtWrk> the vertex/fragment shader has built in vector/matrix math[15:05:52] <DnzAtWrk> so no need to worry about that[15:06:31] <Captain_Crow> does glm just help with translating and rotating 3d co-ordinates of model vectors or something?[15:06:50] <jprajzne> or you can do that yourself with matrix transformations[15:06:51] <DnzAtWrk> if you want to[15:07:15] <R2robot> Captain_Crow: raylib http://raylib.com[15:08:21] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:1903:bc79:8a4c:608f> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[15:09:44] <DnzAtWrk> void main(void) { gl_Position = gl_ModelViewProjectionMatrix * gl_Vertex; }[15:09:49] <DnzAtWrk> this is roughly the extent of a vertex shader[15:10:23] <DnzAtWrk> take the 3d position you pass in the vertex buffer (gl_Vertex), transform it by the model view projection matrix (your camera), and pass it over to the fragment shader[15:11:01] <DnzAtWrk> the fragment shader interpolates between the values you pass to it and fill in whats inside the triangles formed by vertices[15:11:06] <DnzAtWrk> </shaderCrashCourse>[15:15:21] <Captain_Crow> does glm or opengl have build in shaders or is there a library for that?[15:16:11] <DnzAtWrk> I don't think so, but the simplest shader you can make is like 10 lines long[15:16:27] *** solidfox <solidfox!~solidfox@unaffiliated/snake/x-2550465> has joined #gamedev[15:16:29] <DnzAtWrk> and the internet is full of example[15:16:30] <DnzAtWrk> s[15:16:56] <solidfox> think i may have gotten like an hour of sleep maybe[15:17:20] <solidfox> i need to exercise to feel tired i think[15:17:23] <DnzAtWrk> and then you can do silly stuff like this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/lw71ghzqqff9nx3/relativistic.flv?dl=0[15:17:46] <jprajzne> you don't really need shaders to start with 3d[15:17:49] <DnzAtWrk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQNIKOD6WnY[15:17:51] <DnzAtWrk> or this[15:18:42] <DnzAtWrk> naw you don't need it but don't be intimidated by them either[15:34:06] *** atomekk <atomekk!~atomekk@unaffiliated/atomekk> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:40:06] *** Beliar 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<Tobbi!~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi> has joined #gamedev[18:29:37] *** Serpent7776 <Serpent7776!~Serpent77@90-156-31-193.internetia.net.pl> has joined #gamedev[19:09:42] *** pavonia <pavonia!~user@unaffiliated/siracusa> has joined #gamedev[19:18:43] <Atari2600> fuck I need coffee[19:19:41] <R2robot> get a room[19:19:50] <coffee> I'm here to save the day mate <3[19:19:58] <R2robot> lol[19:19:59] <Atari2600> <3 rightaway[19:22:36] <Atari2600> balls balls balls balls balls of steel[19:30:11] <pulse> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5glPSZV1Kmc[19:30:24] <pulse> possibly the greatest intro to any platformer, ever[19:30:30] <pulse> I`M BACK[19:31:26] <Atari2600> I will get coffee and be back later[19:31:33] <Atari2600> (then I'll get pulse for a threesome)[19:31:39] <pulse> :s[19:31:54] *** knops <knops!~yannick@ip-62-143-84-11.hsi01.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:35:27] <R2robot> wow, I don't remember duke nukem 2 at all. is that real?[19:36:01] <pulse> it was awesome[19:37:37] *** testman <testman!~testman@cpe-92-37-66-252.dynamic.amis.net> has quit IRC (Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.github.io)[19:38:11] *** xen74 <xen74!~xen74@2001:44b8:2e3:9b00:d5b3:aa3e:1c5f:4112> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:39:07] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:1903:bc79:8a4c:608f> has joined #gamedev[19:40:04] *** testman <testman!~testman@cpe-92-37-66-252.dynamic.amis.net> has joined #gamedev[19:41:11] <R2robot> I wasn't that into duke nukem..[19:41:15] <R2robot> at all really[19:46:28] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:1903:bc79:8a4c:608f> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[19:47:59] *** xrash <xrash!~xrash@201-0-35-48.dsl.telesp.net.br> has joined #gamedev[19:48:57] *** babuloseo <babuloseo!~babuloseo@unaffiliated/babuloseo> has quit IRC (Quit: yeeeeetttttt)[19:51:38] *** macza <macza!~macza@162.221.202.202> has quit IRC ()[19:52:26] *** mandeep <mandeep!~mandeep@unaffiliated/mandeepb> has 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<brainzap!~brainzap@217.22.129.78> has quit IRC (Quit: My tummy says it's time to sleep Mr. Bubbles.)[20:11:29] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has joined #gamedev[20:13:21] <pulse> by contrast[20:13:27] <pulse> quake guy's catchphrase was simple but effective[20:13:31] <pulse> HUH HUH HUH[20:16:44] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[20:26:34] <DaScoot> I only played DNF (some of it) and it felt less like satire and more like, well, being exactly what it was[20:33:14] <pulse> DNF sucks[20:38:09] *** atomekk <atomekk!~atomekk@unaffiliated/atomekk> has joined #gamedev[20:39:44] *** LunarJetman <LunarJetman!LunarJetma@92.40.86.137.threembb.co.uk> has joined #gamedev[20:50:26] <Twipply> I'm writing a game engine just for fun, but I'm not sure how engines are used in relation to the game itself[20:50:38] <Twipply> Should I write my game executable that loads in engine .dlls or shared objects?[20:50:47] <Twipply> The other way around? Engine application loading the game[20:51:11] <Twipply> Or maybe just write my game and include the appropriate headers and such for the engine?[20:51:46] <pulse> doesn't matter[20:52:02] <Twipply> I get that any way will work, currently I'm just including engine headers in my game[20:52:12] <Twipply> I just wonder what method most people use, what's simplest/best/etc[20:52:15] <pulse> typically a game engine is reusable[20:52:17] <Twipply> I'm also googling it of course[20:52:21] <pulse> so design with that principle in mind and you'll be fine[20:52:34] <pulse> i design em as any old library[20:53:11] <Twipply> I prefer the idea of them both being distinct projects[20:53:16] <Twipply> rather than including engine headers[20:53:46] <Twipply> I guess that doesn't actually mean they'd be one project, but it feels like they're too interlocked[20:55:22] <Twipply> Also, do you have anything you've written pulse?[20:55:27] <Twipply> Screenshots maybe?[20:55:35] <Twipply> I'm just curious to see whatever anyone has[20:55:59] <pulse> i'm working on a HTML5 game[20:56:10] <pulse> i wrote a C++ engine years ago though[20:56:21] <pulse> it was just a few dlls[20:56:23] <Twipply> I'm trying to write mine in C++ at the moment[20:56:40] <pulse> i'm working on this https://github.com/pulzed/MoxMagus[20:56:44] <pulse> but i haven't updated it in a long while[20:56:47] <Twipply> I'm leaning towards an engine that loads the game through shared objects or whatever[20:56:54] <pulse> works on my custom engine[20:57:01] <pulse> but again it's HTML5[20:57:21] <Twipply> Oh I remember this game[20:57:26] <Twipply> I played it before when you mentioned it[20:57:28] <pulse> yeah[20:57:31] <pulse> i haven't updated it in a while[20:57:39] <pulse> i have a bunch of art done but[20:57:42] <pulse> it's not finished[20:57:54] <pulse> kinda stuck on it in the meanwhile[20:58:09] <Twipply> I'm aiming at 3D currently[20:58:18] <Twipply> Not that I've got far enough for that to matter just yet[20:58:36] <Twipply> Just got some very sketchy logging and an event system[20:59:01] <pulse> i need to get into the habit of writing a GDD[20:59:08] <pulse> i'm super disorganized[20:59:40] <Twipply> Dunno what I need to do next really[20:59:48] <Twipply> This is my first attempt at an engine[20:59:59] <pulse> get something playable asap[21:00:06] <pulse> otherwise you lose momentum fast[21:00:30] <Twipply> Figured I'll just go for a little first person shooter or so[21:00:47] <Twipply> I guess I also wrote an .obj parser for loading models[21:00:51] <Twipply> some OpenGL stuff also[21:01:12] <Twipply> I'm really lost on the architecture of an engine though[21:01:29] *** brainzap <brainzap!~brainzap@217.22.129.78> has joined #gamedev[21:02:35] <Twipply> Guess I should go work out how to create a shared object and load it up in my engine[21:02:35] *** gogoprog <gogoprog!~gogoprog@2a02:a03f:44f0:6600:71a2:8b47:f039:570d> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:03:50] *** gogoprog <gogoprog!~gogoprog@2a02:a03f:44f0:6600:71a2:8b47:f039:570d> has joined #gamedev[21:12:26] <Atari2600> pulse, Earthworm Jim also stole that catchphrase[21:19:59] *** brainzap <brainzap!~brainzap@217.22.129.78> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[21:25:51] *** immibis <immibis!~immibis@125-238-72-168-fibre.sparkbb.co.nz> has joined #gamedev[21:32:16] *** krychu <krychu!~krychu@2a02:1205:505c:2ab0:4d05:28a:962e:5db4> has joined #gamedev[21:39:17] *** wolf611 <wolf611!~wolf611@2001:bb6:9e06:658:6974:6771:b0a:ade5> has joined #gamedev[21:40:59] <Atari2600> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp_K8prLfso :)))[21:41:08] <Atari2600> please watch this movie[21:42:00] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:1903:bc79:8a4c:608f> has joined #gamedev[21:44:33] <Atari2600> :~ Nairobi[21:45:20] <pulse> i shall[21:49:13] *** immibis <immibis!~immibis@125-238-72-168-fibre.sparkbb.co.nz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[21:52:01] *** refs <refs!~refs@dslb-188-103-186-047.188.103.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #gamedev[21:55:37] <Atari2600> Ai! ai!... A Balrog! A Balrog is come![21:57:20] <aeth> What catchphrase? "I guess I also wrote an .obj parser for loading models"?[21:58:19] <pulse> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ6OSf1jKiI[21:59:44] *** Beliar_ <Beliar_!~Beliar@2a02:8108:9640:6c42:4814:f909:c68a:3e84> has quit IRC (Quit: The only real mistake is the one from which we learn nothing)[22:02:16] *** stefkos <stefkos!~Pawel@79.184.195.160> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:03:01] *** wolf611 <wolf611!~wolf611@2001:bb6:9e06:658:6974:6771:b0a:ade5> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[22:09:38] <solidfox> got my chair[22:09:58] <Atari2600> yum[22:10:10] <Atari2600> you gonna be a lazyfox now[22:10:14] <Atari2600> meltedfox[22:12:11] <solidfox> lol[22:15:32] *** Serpent7776 <Serpent7776!~Serpent77@90-156-31-193.internetia.net.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[22:21:15] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:1903:bc79:8a4c:608f> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[22:23:19] *** mr_lou <mr_lou!~misthalos@085083077157.dynamic.telenor.dk> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[22:24:37] *** DaScoot <DaScoot!~Scooter@static-24-153-33-9.cpe.metrocast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Bye)[22:24:41] *** code_zombie <code_zombie!~code_zomb@2605:a601:aa1:da00:810a:4309:e703:b6b6> has joined #gamedev[22:30:13] *** Kingsqueee <Kingsqueee!~kingsquee@S01069050ca3c92d3.va.shawcable.net> has joined #gamedev[22:31:48] *** knops <knops!~yannick@ip-62-143-84-11.hsi01.unitymediagroup.de> has joined #gamedev[22:32:49] *** totoro42 <totoro42!~totoro42@167.138.77.86.rev.sfr.net> has joined #gamedev[22:32:51] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:1903:bc79:8a4c:608f> has joined #gamedev[22:33:09] <totoro42> hi there, i've got a question about from scratch rendering[22:33:23] *** macza <macza!~macza@162.221.202.202> has joined #gamedev[22:33:42] <totoro42> when you're rendering texturing at the pixel level (during the scanlines of the triangle to fill it)[22:34:26] <totoro42> you first have to deduce u and v texture coordinates[22:34:38] <totoro42> for the texel[22:35:20] <totoro42> but then you have to do perspective correction on these u,v coordinates in order to perspective texturing instead of affine texturing[22:35:45] <totoro42> and actually this correction is about divided by the depth of the pixel[22:36:06] <totoro42> my question is why we have to divide u and v by the depth of the pixel[22:36:39] <totoro42> i heard on some tutorials that's because you divide by depth as well the x and y coordinates[22:37:08] <totoro42> but this explaination doesn't go enough in depth into the problem, can you help to wrap my head around this ?[22:37:44] *** krychu <krychu!~krychu@2a02:1205:505c:2ab0:4d05:28a:962e:5db4> has quit IRC (Quit: krychu)[22:38:01] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:1903:bc79:8a4c:608f> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:38:13] *** solidfox <solidfox!~solidfox@unaffiliated/snake/x-2550465> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.3)[22:50:00] *** gogoprog <gogoprog!~gogoprog@2a02:a03f:44f0:6600:71a2:8b47:f039:570d> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.3)[22:52:36] *** R2robot <R2robot!~R2robot@unaffiliated/r2ro> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[22:55:56] *** notus <notus!uid244649@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ljcjfwkglpjagpyy> has joined #gamedev[22:59:03] *** wolf611 <wolf611!~wolf611@2001:bb6:9e06:658:6974:6771:b0a:ade5> has joined #gamedev[23:03:51] *** Tobbi__ is now known as Tobbi[23:08:04] *** freestyledork is now known as freefork_afk[23:12:59] <Atari2600> pixels are rectangles :D[23:14:19] *** R2robot <R2robot!~R2robot@unaffiliated/r2ro> has joined #gamedev[23:15:32] <totoro42> Atari2600, there's a relation with my question ? i so i don't get it :)[23:20:13] *** solidfox <solidfox!~solidfox@unaffiliated/snake/x-2550465> has joined #gamedev[23:26:38] <pulse> Atari2600 is high on pixels, don't pay attention to him[23:28:22] <totoro42> pulse, have you got an idea on my question ?[23:28:43] <pulse> not in the slightest[23:29:06] <totoro42> damn[23:30:45] <pulse> if i were you i'd try something like https://computergraphics.stackexchange.com/[23:30:53] <pulse> or ask on tigsource in one of the appropriate subforums[23:35:19] <totoro42> okay, that's a good tip, thank you[23:35:47] <Atari2600> texture levels[23:36:46] *** rtypo <rtypo!~alex@unaffiliated/rtypo> has joined #gamedev[23:39:20] *** mandeep <mandeep!~mandeep@unaffiliated/mandeepb> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:42:14] <cantelope> https://codegolf.tk/a/361[23:44:25] <pulse> noice[23:57:09] <dostoyevsky> pixels are a screenshot of a drug[23:57:21] <Atari2600> code is unreadable, as usual[23:59:03] <solidfox> oh shit i may have gotten a game that i cant play due to crappy intel graphics[23:59:32] <pulse> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnMR6SOBa9k[23:59:40] <dostoyevsky> Atari2600: Make the font larger, or use a different font