January 14, 2019 
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January 14, 2019 [00:07:02] *** galtj <galtj!~galt@unaffiliated/galtj> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[00:07:39] *** Donitzo <Donitzo!~Donitzo@85-156-203-108.elisa-laajakaista.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[00:07:55] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d412:5414:67f3:2594> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[00:11:18] *** terminx <terminx!~terminx@209.58.139.15> has joined #gamedev[00:13:30] *** babuloseo <babuloseo!~babuloseo@unaffiliated/babuloseo> has joined #gamedev[00:14:07] *** LunarJetman <LunarJetman!LunarJetma@94.196.247.102.threembb.co.uk> has quit IRC (Quit: LunarJetman)[00:16:55] *** atomekk <atomekk!~atomekk@unaffiliated/atomekk> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:16:57] *** bildramer1 <bildramer1!~bildramer@p2003004D8D08990058347BD816327296.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #gamedev[00:20:29] *** bildramer <bildramer!~bildramer@p2003004D8D0899004564E45F72477F45.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[00:29:06] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has joined #gamedev[00:31:02] *** Glasstree <Glasstree!~Glasstree@82-71-48-195.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:33:27] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:50:22] *** mobile_c <mobile_c!~mobile_c@2405:7f00:8811:9800:b019:6496:e10d:5cde> has joined #gamedev[01:27:10] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[01:28:55] *** terminx <terminx!~terminx@209.58.139.15> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[01:41:22] *** Buoy172 <Buoy172!~Buoy172@95.86.6.187> has quit IRC ()[01:41:31] *** bildramer1 is now known as bildramer[01:42:08] <o][o> solidfox: virtual ~Blah() = default;[01:42:11] <o][o> no need to use {}[01:43:11] <solidfox> o][o: ok[01:43:55] <pulse> https://imgur.com/a/jbFDRnC[01:43:57] <pulse> neural network upscaling[01:44:01] <pulse> interesting stuff[01:47:17] <solidfox> 100x waifu?[01:47:26] <solidfox> wait[01:47:39] <solidfox> pulse: in other words we've finally found a way to unblur an image[01:47:56] <solidfox> thats like some CSI shit right there.[01:48:15] <pulse> yeah but it's likely cherry picked[01:48:21] <pulse> it probably has a lousy success rate[01:48:35] <pulse> still it's pretty interesting[01:49:19] <solidfox> whats next? unblur, turn on thermal recognition to see through a wall, determine the exact location of an image... take a distorted reflection on a glass, unsquish it.[01:49:41] <solidfox> or even determine anyones name just based on a photo[01:55:03] <solidfox> pulse: did you see https://github.com/deeppomf/DeepCreamPy[01:55:31] <pulse> lol[01:55:52] <solidfox> (nsfw)[01:56:25] <pulse> 6819 stars[01:59:15] *** terminx <terminx!~terminx@209.58.139.15> has joined #gamedev[02:00:39] *** Jakey <Jakey!~Jakey69@unaffiliated/jakey> has joined #gamedev[02:04:02] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d412:5414:67f3:2594> has joined #gamedev[02:04:51] *** Tobbi <Tobbi!~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[02:07:28] *** rindolf <rindolf!~rindolf@77.125.57.214> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[02:07:57] <o][o> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsSvlamf90w is funnier[02:09:48] <solidfox> o][o: in the japanese he asked for a cute girl's panties[02:09:56] <solidfox> (at least thats what the subs said)[02:10:34] <solidfox> man dragon ball is 100x better than dbz, i wish i never started this accursed anime :<[02:10:36] <o][o> and he got them :)[02:10:42] <solidfox> o][o: yeah heh[02:10:43] <o][o> yeah! dbz is garbage[02:10:57] <o][o> teach me japanese, senpai!!! m(__)m[02:11:15] <solidfox> oh uh. i dont know japanese :v[02:12:30] <o][o> Where can I get your training data?[02:12:30] <o][o> I can't say what my data sources are because too many people downloading from them could cause them to block scraping.[02:12:56] <solidfox> oh uh you must be talking to someone i cant see?[02:12:59] <solidfox> lets see[02:13:00] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d412:5414:67f3:2594> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[02:13:07] <o][o> no no[02:13:15] <solidfox> oh uh.[02:13:15] <o][o> I thought you knew japanese[02:13:33] <solidfox> nah lol. just a little.[02:13:41] <solidfox> i do know the moon runes though[02:14:20] <solidfox> がんばって[02:15:07] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has joined #gamedev[02:15:25] <solidfox> o][o: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0414/0681/products/kana-wall-poster-white-rabbit-press_1801_1400x.jpeg?v=1541173244[02:15:43] <solidfox> you start with a on the left and go down. a i u e o. do 5 a week[02:15:44] <o][o> nice[02:15:46] <solidfox> err 5 a day[02:15:55] <o][o> I tried some weeks with Duolingo[02:15:59] <o][o> I know some of them too[02:16:04] <o][o> but it is easy to forget :-/[02:16:06] <solidfox> next day, review your previous ones multiple times, write them all out[02:16:10] <solidfox> then move on to katakana[02:16:11] <o][o> I want this poster[02:16:27] <solidfox> o][o: you can just look at it on the internet for fr33[02:17:00] <solidfox> it'll take you like a month to memorize them all[02:17:26] <solidfox> do it in order btw, order is important for building a screaming-fast cache in your brain[02:18:03] <o][o> yeah[02:18:13] <o][o> to get the similar letters together[02:18:43] <solidfox> well its just like the american alphabet song, you always sing it in order[02:19:00] <o][o> yeah[02:19:16] <solidfox> english*[02:19:58] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[03:09:14] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has joined #gamedev[03:13:35] *** Tylak <Tylak!~Tylak@074-135-002-092.res.spectrum.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[03:14:30] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[03:15:30] *** cheakoirccloud 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<solidfox> lol jk, gotta have fun sometimes i guess[04:34:03] <solidfox> i dont smoke weed cause im 9000% sure it makes me dumber.[04:34:36] <solidfox> yes sometimes i just drink a nice cup of pu'erh tea or something sweet.[04:34:42] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[04:36:20] <Buoy172> what's pu'erh tea[04:36:44] *** refs <refs!~refs@dslb-178-012-114-047.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: refs)[04:36:48] *** terminx <terminx!~terminx@209.58.139.15> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[04:36:51] <Buoy172> weed doesn't make you dumb, it might be natural for you[04:39:10] *** mandeep <mandeep!~mandeep@unaffiliated/mandeepb> has joined #gamedev[04:39:30] <solidfox> lol and it cures cancer right?[04:40:22] <solidfox> Buoy172: pu'erh tea is a tea from a specific area in Yunnan province in China.[04:40:43] <solidfox> Buoy172: the trees are old and the tea is fermented and sometimes aged.[04:40:51] <solidfox> ancient gushus[04:42:52] <Buoy172> solidfox: last time that you got high did you feel dumb?[04:48:09] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d412:5414:67f3:2594> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[04:48:23] *** NiniGeo2 <NiniGeo2!~NiniGeo2@c-73-178-72-18.hsd1.nj.comcast.net> has joined #gamedev[04:48:48] <solidfox> Buoy172: i aint gonna argue with you about this. any stoner could tell me about the amazing effects of weed and how much better it makes them at things, but everyone knows it really doesn't.[04:57:50] *** o][o <o][o!~sjw@pool-98-113-87-89.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has joined #gamedev[04:58:09] *** terminx <terminx!~terminx@209.58.139.15> has joined #gamedev[04:58:48] <Buoy172> who's arguing[04:58:51] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has joined #gamedev[04:59:30] <Buoy172> solidfox: any evidence that it makes you dumber[04:59:59] <Buoy172> or that it can kill you (by overdose)[05:00:46] <Buoy172> you can be 9000% sure and I can be 90000% sure but who cares. We need evidence not self assessment[05:02:47] <aeth> "natural". Weak argument. Nature sucks. Nature wants you to live just long enough to reproduce your genes.[05:02:55] <o][o> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2VkvCkeowE I'm 100% sure I would allow her to sit on my face[05:03:25] <o][o> nature fallacy. pretty common :)[05:03:39] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[05:03:41] <Buoy172> I meant "natural" as in being naturally dumb. I meant to say "weed doesn't make you dumb, you might just naturally be dumb"[05:03:46] <Buoy172> you misunderstood me[05:03:50] <o][o> weed makes you dumb[05:04:09] <aeth> Afaik weed and alcohol both interfere with memory. Especially alcohol, though.[05:04:27] <solidfox> Buoy172: im not eggsactly the smartest knife in the shed[05:04:53] <Buoy172> weed might make you a bit confused but not after you sober up[05:05:07] <Buoy172> you don't get dumber[05:05:14] <Buoy172> permanently[05:05:53] <solidfox> Buoy172: my therapist told me it damages the mylien sheathes on your neuron dangly bits[05:05:59] <o][o> ^[05:06:07] <o][o> your therapist is right[05:06:17] <o][o> Buoy172 is wrong, but he is on denial[05:06:22] <o][o> most pot smokers are[05:08:37] <aeth> Buoy172: I mean, it's not good for your lungs, but tobacco's way worse and it's not good for your judgement or memory but alcohol's way worse. It definitely is unfair (and essentially racist) that it's illegal when alcohol and tobacco aren't, but that doesn't mean that it's a healthy thing, either.[05:08:47] <o][o> racist? LOL[05:08:52] <o][o> looooooool[05:09:05] <o][o> now drugs have race!!!!!!!!![05:09:25] <Buoy172> aeth: you definitely gotta be smart+responsible about it[05:09:28] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d412:5414:67f3:2594> has joined #gamedev[05:09:49] <o][o> wow! this channel surpassed the limits of dumbness now. they are trying to turn this into ##programming[05:10:07] <Buoy172> I've maybe smoked 2-3 shared joints in my life, when I was younger. I use a herb vaporizer now[05:10:25] * o][o pities Buoy172's neuron cells :-/[05:10:26] <Buoy172> ok sorry[05:14:27] <aeth> o][o: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_the_War_on_Drugs[05:14:46] <aeth> I'm surprised you haven't heard about it yet.[05:15:44] <LastTalon> Yeah, even down to why its called "marijuana"[05:15:49] <aeth> Exactly.[05:15:52] <LastTalon> Its a pretty interesting topic.[05:17:04] <LastTalon> Its got some health benefits and disadvantages like a lot of things.[05:17:26] <solidfox> yeah[05:17:30] <solidfox> its not all black and white[05:17:35] <LastTalon> If you're looking for a candidate for most benign drug, look to caffeine.[05:18:09] <LastTalon> Its biggest downsides are minor addiction and headaches from overuse[05:18:10] <aeth> Besides its impact on sleep. :-)[05:18:29] *** Buoy172 <Buoy172!~Buoy172@95.86.6.187> has quit IRC ()[05:18:34] <LastTalon> Its extremely hard to overdose. It has tons of benefits.[05:18:47] <LastTalon> Use it in moderation and its great.[05:18:50] <solidfox> lol my tetris game is upside down xD[05:19:11] <aeth> LastTalon: Correction. It *was* extremely hard to overdose caffeine. The great thing about the Internet is now it's extremely easy to get a too-concentrated form if you're stupid.[05:19:17] <LastTalon> Okay...[05:19:17] <aeth> But it's something like 100 cups of coffee.[05:19:25] <LastTalon> I mean if you're stupid you can overdose.[05:19:27] <aeth> The water would kill you before the caffeine if you were drinking coffee.[05:19:49] <LastTalon> Right, you'd die from stomach rupture if you're taking it in any typical form.[05:21:11] <aeth> Just avoid the powder.[05:21:16] <LastTalon> Yeah.[05:21:26] <LastTalon> Pills could also be dangerous, but even then you're pushing the limits.[05:21:38] <LastTalon> Like you'd need to be basically trying to kill yourself with them.[05:21:54] <LastTalon> You'd have to be eating them like candy.[05:22:07] <o][o> yeah! no more games talk today, it seems[05:22:23] <LastTalon> Caffeine is similar to games.[05:22:24] <aeth> o][o: Everything is game-related if you're creative enough.[05:22:24] <LastTalon> :D[05:23:27] *** batman_nair <batman_nair!~batman_na@111.92.77.160> has joined #gamedev[05:23:43] <LastTalon> Unfortunately one of the biggest downsides of cannabis is misinformation.[05:23:46] <aeth> o][o: But I mean, correct information here could save someone's life. Like if one of your buddies comes up to you with concentrated caffeine powder or something, now you know it can kill you.[05:23:55] <LastTalon> Because its very hard to study it.[05:24:08] <o][o> yeah! they can also preach dumb agendas about racist drugs :-/[05:25:43] *** baudejogos <baudejogos!~sjw@pool-98-113-87-89.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has joined #gamedev[05:26:55] <aeth> o][o: Drugs aren't racist. Racists can use drugs as a justification to do racist things, though.[05:27:26] <LastTalon> There's a reason cannabis and peyote are schedule 1 drugs in the US. You can read about it.[05:28:36] *** o][o <o][o!~sjw@pool-98-113-87-89.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[05:29:05] <LastTalon> Unfortunately being schedule 1 means they're very hard to study.[05:29:56] <aeth> The thing is, institutions move very slowly, and tend to support the status quo. So even though a combination of idiocy and evil got us into this mess, any attempts to fix it are instinctively resisted.[05:30:15] <aeth> What LastTalon just said is a good example of that. How can you prove or disprove a claim if you're not allowed to do an objective study?![05:30:36] <LastTalon> And why do you need to study this drug? It has no accepted medical uses. :D[05:30:53] <LastTalon> Since it has no accepted medical uses there are no places that can legally produce it.[05:31:01] <LastTalon> Congrats, it doesn't exist legally.[05:31:23] <LastTalon> Also, even if it does in some rare circumstances, you can't transport it or own it.[05:31:27] <LastTalon> :D[05:31:35] <aeth> Reminds me of Wikipedia. Article deleted three times because it wasn't notable? Now it's speedy deleted, even if it's now notable.[05:31:59] <aeth> (* might not actually be 3 times, it has been a while)[05:32:10] <LastTalon> Wikipedia sometimes has an odd idea about what counts as notable.[05:33:53] <LastTalon> It also has some weird consequences federally.[05:34:06] <solidfox> ok the sdl2 version of my tetris clone is now caught up with the curses version, except that the score on the gameplay does not update[05:34:26] <solidfox> in addition to that, i never implemented any way to save the score so thats probably next[05:34:38] <aeth> solidfox: great![05:34:45] <LastTalon> Like how any organization selling cannabis legally is considered a criminal organization federally, so they have a bunch of legal issues with their money being stored in banks.[05:42:33] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d412:5414:67f3:2594> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[05:53:00] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has joined #gamedev[05:57:20] *** RoadKillGrill <RoadKillGrill!~RoadKillG@cpe-24-166-114-198.neo.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[05:57:34] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[06:05:09] *** HZun <HZun!~HZun@0x3ec721e2.osd.customer.dk.telia.net> has joined #gamedev[06:05:27] *** baudejogos <baudejogos!~sjw@pool-98-113-87-89.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[06:06:47] *** solidfox <solidfox!~solidfox@unaffiliated/snake/x-2550465> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.3)[06:18:38] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has joined #gamedev[06:20:17] *** immibis <immibis!~immibis@125-238-72-168-fibre.sparkbb.co.nz> has joined #gamedev[06:28:59] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:39:54] *** Tylak <Tylak!~Tylak@074-135-002-092.res.spectrum.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de)[06:44:42] *** HZun <HZun!~HZun@0x3ec721e2.osd.customer.dk.telia.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[06:47:07] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has joined #gamedev[06:47:53] *** [Relic] <[Relic]!~Relic]@2602:306:33a3:6d30:cdab:4bb7:9427:9551> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[06:50:57] *** ZeroSystem <ZeroSystem!45f81b6b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.248.27.107> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[06:51:45] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[06:59:23] *** Beliar <Beliar!~Beliar@2a02:8108:9640:6c42:58c4:6cbc:50c0:ff35> has joined #gamedev[07:06:21] *** macza <macza!~macza@67.231.29.194> has joined #gamedev[07:32:53] *** terminx <terminx!~terminx@209.58.139.15> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[07:38:37] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d412:5414:67f3:2594> has joined #gamedev[07:41:12] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has joined #gamedev[07:44:05] *** DnzAtWrk <DnzAtWrk!~DnzAtWrk@mobile-access-6df00c-154.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #gamedev[07:44:16] *** batman_nair <batman_nair!~batman_na@111.92.77.160> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:45:52] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[07:45:54] *** babuloseo <babuloseo!~babuloseo@unaffiliated/babuloseo> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:46:18] <DnzAtWrk> work and anger[07:46:27] *** refsw` <refsw`!~refsw@80.150.130.51> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[07:49:23] <jprajzne> keep calm and code, DnzAtWrk[07:49:46] <DnzAtWrk> too annoyed[07:49:58] <jprajzne> what happened?[07:50:09] <DnzAtWrk> I'm just pissed at my neighbour keeping me awake at night[07:50:29] <jprajzne> drummer? :))[07:50:38] <DnzAtWrk> no, just a loud tv[07:51:02] <DnzAtWrk> I think some people are too stupid to realise that bass travels through walls[07:51:20] <DnzAtWrk> so they buy these expensive sound systems and think that because they lower their volume a bit that their neighbour won't hear them[07:51:26] <DnzAtWrk> even after you point it out[07:51:39] <jprajzne> yeah, people genrally don't think about frequencies, just overall volume[07:52:03] <DnzAtWrk> worst thing is that bass also travels through ear plugs[07:53:11] <jprajzne> it can even upset your stomach :)[07:54:27] <DnzAtWrk> yeah but that's at louder "call the cops" volume[07:56:02] *** terminx <terminx!~terminx@209.58.139.15> has joined #gamedev[08:02:45] <jprajzne> am not sure, i think doesn't need to be loud[08:03:07] <jprajzne> think seasickness[08:07:28] *** nek0 <nek0!~nek0@watch.chelnok.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[08:08:29] *** NiniGeo2 <NiniGeo2!~NiniGeo2@c-73-178-72-18.hsd1.nj.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: G'nini guys!)[08:16:29] *** refsw` <refsw`!~refsw@80.150.130.51> has joined #gamedev[08:17:49] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d412:5414:67f3:2594> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[08:17:56] *** refsw2 <refsw2!~refsw@80.150.130.51> has joined #gamedev[08:18:00] *** bildramer <bildramer!~bildramer@p2003004D8D08990058347BD816327296.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[08:21:04] *** refsw` <refsw`!~refsw@80.150.130.51> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[08:24:36] *** refsw3 <refsw3!~refsw@80.150.130.51> has joined #gamedev[08:25:04] *** nek0 <nek0!~nek0@89.238.64.7> has joined #gamedev[08:27:12] *** refsw2 <refsw2!~refsw@80.150.130.51> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[08:29:43] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has joined #gamedev[08:31:15] *** bnyio <bnyio!~bnyio@alcatraz.open-xchange.com> has joined #gamedev[08:34:58] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[08:35:16] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has joined #gamedev[08:38:22] *** brainzap <brainzap!~brainzap@77.208.14.46.static.wline.lns.sme.cust.swisscom.ch> has joined #gamedev[08:39:42] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[08:51:45] <DnzAtWrk> not really sure why this dove feels the need to sleep in my window[08:51:59] <DnzAtWrk> every so often[08:52:34] <DnzAtWrk> maybe it thinks I ward off predators or something[08:55:50] <brainzap> because it is warm[08:56:05] *** HZun <HZun!~HZun@0x3ec721e2.osd.customer.dk.telia.net> has joined #gamedev[09:09:51] *** efxlab <efxlab!~efxlab@244.178.134.77.rev.sfr.net> has joined #gamedev[09:19:02] *** noglin <noglin!~julien@241.red-88-7-89.staticip.rima-tde.net> has joined #gamedev[09:20:45] *** stefkos <stefkos!~Pawel@79.184.59.157.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl> has joined #gamedev[09:29:22] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has joined #gamedev[09:34:22] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[09:35:14] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has joined #gamedev[09:40:27] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[09:54:16] *** Tobbi <Tobbi!~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi> has joined #gamedev[09:55:57] *** refsw3 <refsw3!~refsw@80.150.130.51> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[09:56:19] *** HZun <HZun!~HZun@0x3ec721e2.osd.customer.dk.telia.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[09:59:27] *** DnzAtWrk <DnzAtWrk!~DnzAtWrk@mobile-access-6df00c-154.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[10:03:29] *** notus <notus!uid244649@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-einlslhuowuatkdv> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[10:07:07] *** rindolf <rindolf!~rindolf@77.125.57.214> has joined #gamedev[10:08:16] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has joined #gamedev[10:09:48] *** S_Gautam <S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-azuuwtxktarrqezf> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[10:12:51] *** DnzAtWrk <DnzAtWrk!~DnzAtWrk@mobile-access-6df00c-154.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #gamedev[10:13:16] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d412:5414:67f3:2594> has joined #gamedev[10:13:32] *** Tobbi <Tobbi!~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Realistically, the problem is the sheer size of the search space here.[12:32:56] <DnzAtWrk> you can still do that[12:33:16] <DnzAtWrk> http://www.personal.psu.edu/lnl/papers/neuro2.pdf[12:39:24] <DarkUranium> neat, gotta read that later[12:40:51] <jprajzne> pulse: https://github.com/g0dd4rd/Unpacked lot of interval exercises[12:42:37] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d412:5414:67f3:2594> has joined #gamedev[12:49:43] *** Tylak <Tylak!~Tylak@074-135-002-092.res.spectrum.com> has joined #gamedev[12:50:00] *** bildramer <bildramer!~bildramer@p2003004CEA064B0058347BD816327296.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #gamedev[13:06:25] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has joined #gamedev[13:11:04] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[13:15:21] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d412:5414:67f3:2594> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[13:20:18] *** 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ZZZzzz…)[19:16:15] *** Zeioth <Zeioth!~Zeioth@89.131.21.84> has joined #gamedev[19:26:52] <Atari2600> solidfox, big tetris? wtf is that?[19:26:58] <Atari2600> open this repo now :) nobody is gonna sue you[19:27:11] <Atari2600> come on. allow me to bash your C++ code to the death :)[19:32:41] <solidfox> Atari2600: my c++ is super elite[19:33:13] <solidfox> lol[19:33:45] <Atari2600> :) so please show it to us, in order to make us to learn[19:37:24] <myke> lol[19:37:35] <myke> pretty sure no one is going to sue you over your first tetris game[19:37:40] <myke> you don't get sued until you get attention[19:38:10] <myke> the code on my github is terrible[19:38:39] <solidfox> Atari2600: actually yesterday i made some pretty atrocious code for adding menu items and labels[19:38:43] <solidfox> so today im fixing it up[19:38:48] <solidfox> (my OOP design is lacking)[19:40:03] <Atari2600> read GoF Design Patterns[19:40:06] <Atari2600> it is a nice OOP fix[19:40:25] <solidfox> Gang of four?[19:40:26] <Atari2600> I had two game changers in my coding life with books[19:40:33] <Atari2600> one was with GoF (yeah! Gang of Four)[19:40:43] <solidfox> i heard about that[19:40:44] <Atari2600> the second was with Scott Meyers books + Alexandrescu[19:40:50] <solidfox> nice[19:41:01] <Atari2600> GoF taught me how to design software with proper separation of responsibilities[19:41:24] <Atari2600> that is the important part. the patterns themselves are just ideas. you don't need to implement them verbatim, but you should learn from them[19:42:14] <Atari2600> Scott Meyers and Alexandrescu taught me how to see C++ from a practical useful perspective (and to abandon all the old C ways once and for all)[19:42:42] <solidfox> no more malloc[19:42:45] <solidfox> :([19:42:51] <Atari2600> no more new and delete too :)))))))))[19:42:55] <solidfox> of course sdl uses malloc pretty sure[19:43:00] <Atari2600> no more sdl (for me)[19:43:16] <Atari2600> sdl is incredibly C-ish[19:43:22] <Atari2600> it forces you to deal with global state everywhere. ugh[19:44:11] <Atari2600> my first thing after being born again was to design for simplicity. I was an SDL user before and I was hating my resulting code so far[19:44:33] <Atari2600> then I just creating a simpler version of it, which was totally C++: https://github.com/thinlizzy/die-tk[19:44:37] <Atari2600> *created[19:44:40] <solidfox> Atari2600: ok i had pulse and (after i was stubborn about agreeing with pulse) Lunar guy telling me to use new and delete yesterday[19:44:58] <Atari2600> you can use new/delete, ofc. but try to use them with care[19:45:03] <solidfox> Lunar guy at least encouraged the singleton i was trying at first and failing miserably[19:45:06] <Atari2600> unique_ptr is usually a better safer choice[19:45:15] <Atari2600> IF you need pointers / dynamic allocation[19:45:15] <solidfox> but i think someone said GOF doesnt like singleton[19:45:17] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d412:5414:67f3:2594> has joined #gamedev[19:45:24] <Atari2600> GoF TEACHES singletons[19:45:37] <Atari2600> also in most of cases, std::vector is the way to go for your general purpose dynamic allocation stuff[19:45:43] <solidfox> Atari2600: someone suggested shared ptr for my font issue, but i didnt get it[19:45:58] <Atari2600> shared_ptr is a swiss army knife. I would think twice before using it[19:46:04] <Atari2600> with shared ownership, it is easy to lose track[19:46:31] <solidfox> instead, i just chose to allocate 1 font statically to be used by all my labels[19:46:44] <Atari2600> these are my defaults, in order, to not have an overwhelmed mind:[19:46:46] <solidfox> and destroy it when there are 0 instances left[19:46:55] <myke> glad i use a VM with a GC wew[19:46:57] <Atari2600> 1) values / automatic allocation[19:47:07] <myke> imagine having to track all your memory references manually[19:47:09] <Atari2600> 2) vector[19:47:16] <Atari2600> myke, we don't need to do that anymore with C++ :))))[19:47:29] <Atari2600> myke, also you can screw up easily with GC[19:47:41] <myke> be more specific about "easily"[19:47:47] <Atari2600> 3) unique_ptr[19:47:49] <myke> you can screw up very easily with pointers[19:48:02] <Atari2600> that does not mean GC is a guaranteed choice of safety :)))[19:48:13] <Atari2600> 4) singletons[19:48:15] <Atari2600> 5) shared_ptr[19:48:33] <Atari2600> I seldom pick 4 and 5[19:49:02] <solidfox> i forgot Lunar guys name[19:49:07] <solidfox> the one with the neogfx engine[19:49:12] <Atari2600> regardless of my choices, I NEVER manage resources and behavior in the same class[19:49:31] <solidfox> Atari2600: ah[19:49:33] <Atari2600> solidfox, I have strong opinions about him, so I won't talk about him here because pulse asked me to not insult people here :)[19:50:35] <Atari2600> but I can talk about his software, and one thing I can say for sure: I would never ever ever use something that has more than twelve base classes / interfaces . this is not C++ for me :)[19:51:01] <Atari2600> life taught me to stay far away from over engineering[19:51:41] <Atari2600> solidfox, read GoF with an open mind. try to understand the meaning of the patterns. your mind will blow up :)[19:52:12] <solidfox> Atari2600: i think so too[19:52:22] <solidfox> but i still want an ECS for fun[19:52:30] <solidfox> also i think it'd make my code better organized[19:52:36] <solidfox> but i have to wait to implement it[19:52:49] <solidfox> since im in the middle of trying to finish the tetris clone[19:53:00] <Atari2600> perhaps I will be proven wrong in the future, but I don't believe in all this ECS hype for now[19:53:03] <solidfox> Atari2600: i will read that. i have it on amazon right now, ready to add to the cart later[19:53:27] <Atari2600> like, a tetris clone should not be harder to implement than a tic tac toe game (except for fancy animations and such)[19:53:39] <solidfox> imagine if you could take all your SDL code and entirely fit it into a system that works on entities[19:53:48] <Atari2600> what do they buy you?[19:53:50] <Atari2600> these entities?[19:54:00] <solidfox> code readability[19:54:04] <Atari2600> also wtf is an entity? :)[19:54:26] <solidfox> its an object in your world that contains components[19:55:01] <Atari2600> so an entity is an object with members. that looks like a plain object to me[19:55:52] <solidfox> how would your system be able to tell what plain objects it should act on[19:56:17] <myke> ECS is the new MVC[19:56:36] <myke> neither will magically make a perfect architecture for you just by dogmatic adhesion to their principles[19:57:36] *** Glasstree <Glasstree!~Glasstree@82-71-48-195.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk> has joined #gamedev[20:03:45] <pulse> glad i made a difference[20:03:51] <pulse> IRC is for classy people[20:03:56] <pulse> not rude brutes[20:04:39] <solidfox> yes[20:04:59] * solidfox sips tea[20:05:10] * pulse puts on his monocle[20:05:35] <Atari2600> myke, I finally agree with you[20:06:42] <Atari2600> pulse, I still think I should punish the infidels, but you are a nice guy, you are trying to quit smoking and this channel is turning better than I thought, so I will do my part too[20:07:56] <pulse> it sucks, too[20:08:00] <pulse> 22th day and i'm anxious as ever[20:08:12] <pulse> stupid nicotine and/or thc[20:08:14] <Atari2600> code more[20:08:24] <Atari2600> design the levels of my game :D[20:08:28] <pulse> i shall[20:08:36] <pulse> i have my own game to design levals for[20:08:38] <pulse> :x[20:08:45] <Atari2600> I need to draw stupid maps and create stupid animations now[20:08:54] <Atari2600> and put stupid rules in my levels[20:08:57] <pulse> i need to get it into my head that making games is like LEGO[20:08:58] <pulse> LEGO = fun[20:09:01] <pulse> therefore making games = fun[20:09:07] <Atari2600> the fun part of creating the game engine is almost over[20:09:10] <Atari2600> now I will have to do real work[20:11:20] <pulse> like LEGO where you chemically create your own plastic first[20:11:22] <pulse> >_________________<[20:17:17] *** macaronus <macaronus!macaronus@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/macaronus> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:17:37] *** macaronus <macaronus!macaronus@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/macaronus> has joined #gamedev[20:17:44] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d412:5414:67f3:2594> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[20:21:40] *** Tobbi <Tobbi!~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi> has joined #gamedev[20:31:16] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has joined #gamedev[20:33:00] *** Donitzo <Donitzo!~Donitzo@85-156-203-108.elisa-laajakaista.fi> has joined #gamedev[20:47:49] *** Buoy172 <Buoy172!~Buoy172@95.86.6.187> has joined #gamedev[20:52:26] *** Tobbi <Tobbi!~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Both of them.[21:06:39] <pulse> lol[21:14:39] *** knops <knops!~yannick@ip-62-143-84-11.hsi01.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:14:43] *** MrSponck <MrSponck!~yannick@ip-62-143-84-11.hsi01.unitymediagroup.de> has joined #gamedev[21:22:56] *** MrSponck is now known as knops[21:27:00] *** immibis <immibis!~immibis@125-238-72-168-fibre.sparkbb.co.nz> has joined #gamedev[21:29:32] *** Twipply <Twipply!~Twipply@unaffiliated/twipply> has joined #gamedev[21:37:48] *** ShadowIce <ShadowIce!~pyoro@unaffiliated/shadowice-x841044> has joined #gamedev[21:46:07] *** immibis <immibis!~immibis@125-238-72-168-fibre.sparkbb.co.nz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[21:56:35] *** refs <refs!~refs@dslb-178-012-114-047.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #gamedev[21:59:25] *** knops <knops!~yannick@ip-62-143-84-11.hsi01.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[22:04:52] <solidfox> bad feeling when you know you're writing bad code lol[22:04:54] <solidfox> :<[22:05:08] <solidfox> looks just like those piles of jquery from work[22:08:47] *** Tobbi <Tobbi!~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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But then I realize that functionally I think I have everything you appear to have"[22:29:36] <Donitzo> that's why you priorotize gameplay and ignore looks[22:29:44] <Donitzo> just put a bunch of placeholders[22:29:45] <Atari2600> ^[22:29:49] <Atari2600> that is how I am doing now[22:29:54] <Atari2600> the engine is almost finished[22:29:59] <Atari2600> then I will get depressed :-/[22:30:25] <Donitzo> imo it's not worth trying to make "good" looking 3d graphics[22:30:35] <Donitzo> the amount of effort it takes to make a consistent "good" looking style is too much[22:30:42] <Atari2600> I wish I had a team[22:30:57] <Atari2600> YOU! do the graphs![22:30:59] <Atari2600> YOU! do the levals[22:31:11] <Atari2600> YOU! make a cool music![22:31:14] <Donitzo> Both: But I want to develop the engine[22:31:22] <Atari2600> :D[22:31:23] <Atari2600> nice[22:32:12] *** gaffa <gaffa!~gaffa@unaffiliated/gaffa> has joined #gamedev[22:32:26] *** getSomethingGood <getSomethingGood!~getSometh@m112-210.on.tac.net> has joined #gamedev[22:32:27] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[22:33:25] <pulse> i'll never use free assets tho[22:33:30] <dostoyevsky> what does an engine do compared to doing stuff in opengl?[22:33:36] <pulse> i'd rather hire an artist[22:33:47] <pulse> even if i have to pay through sexual services[22:34:11] <Atari2600> dostoyevsky, in my case.. animation control and game state control[22:34:23] <Atari2600> sexual services are overrated today[22:34:26] <dostoyevsky> pulse: doesn't writing your own game already fuck you enough?[22:34:32] <pulse> sure[22:34:38] <Atari2600> lol[22:34:40] <pulse> but my philosophy has always been unique art[22:35:16] *** mandeep <mandeep!~mandeep@unaffiliated/mandeepb> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:35:21] <Atari2600> But it looks so real... 😂[22:35:28] <dostoyevsky> Atari2600: so if I can play animations I imported from blender I have an "engine"?[22:35:38] <Atari2600> almost[22:35:43] <Atari2600> control is pretty important[22:35:49] <Atari2600> I am doing a mix with C++ and Lua[22:35:50] <dostoyevsky> Atari2600: control?[22:35:53] <Atari2600> it is getting beautiful[22:35:56] <Atari2600> I need control[22:35:56] *** mandeep <mandeep!mandeep@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mandeepb> has joined #gamedev[22:35:59] <Atari2600> you need control[22:36:04] <Atari2600> we all need control!!![22:36:21] <solidfox> Atari2600: i can see the code in ECS pattern[22:36:27] <solidfox> Atari2600: in my head[22:36:29] <dostoyevsky> control-c?[22:36:29] <solidfox> like a vision[22:37:19] <Atari2600> wow[22:37:23] * Atari2600 is curious now[22:37:30] <Atari2600> show me the moooooooney[22:37:49] <dostoyevsky> https://www.shadertoy.com/view/wsl3WB[22:37:53] <dostoyevsky> that's trippy[22:38:40] <solidfox> wow[22:39:43] <dostoyevsky> my ideal gamedev session is like opening a shadertoy and then just start changing stuff at random[22:41:55] <Atari2600> GLSL FTW \m/[22:42:27] <dostoyevsky> but when I meet that HTML programmer that did shadertoy one day I am going to hit him in the face hard[22:44:00] <solidfox> y[22:44:27] <solidfox> html is one of the most advanced programming languages bringing us quality software such as the <img> and hyperlinks[22:44:50] *** krychu <krychu!~krychu@2a02:1205:505c:2ab0:c857:1dcf:c49e:ea93> has joined #gamedev[22:47:45] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d412:5414:67f3:2594> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[22:47:46] <dostoyevsky> I think I made an office version of wsl3WB[22:48:01] <dostoyevsky> I replaced all the hexagons with something that looks like a paperclip[22:50:02] *** getSomethingGood <getSomethingGood!~getSometh@m112-210.on.tac.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:57:50] *** Serpent7776 <Serpent7776!~Serpent77@90-156-31-193.internetia.net.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[23:05:24] *** getSomethingGood <getSomethingGood!~getSometh@m112-210.on.tac.net> has joined #gamedev[23:06:29] *** notus <notus!uid244649@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ftiqarxjrdbvuafj> has joined #gamedev[23:12:09] *** macaronus <macaronus!macaronus@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/macaronus> has quit IRC (Quit: stay pastey)[23:18:17] <solidfox> game over seg fault[23:18:19] *** stefkos <stefkos!~Pawel@79.184.59.157.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[23:37:44] *** pulse <pulse!~pulse@unaffiliated/pulse> has quit IRC (Quit: pulse)[23:42:15] *** Buoy172 <Buoy172!~Buoy172@95.86.6.187> has quit IRC ()[23:45:18] *** getSomethingGood <getSomethingGood!~getSometh@m112-210.on.tac.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:46:27] *** Glasstree <Glasstree!~Glasstree@82-71-48-195.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:49:33] <R2robot> Death and hatred to mankind ...[23:52:27] * Atari2600 remakes R2robot into a toaster[23:53:14] <R2robot> a 'toaster' as in a Cylon from BSG or an actual toaster for bread? :p[23:53:32] <Atari2600> hehehehe[23:53:38] <Atari2600> BSG *could* be good[23:53:52] <Atari2600> too bad they screwed up and had to rush the ending :([23:54:04] <Atari2600> I was loving it until mid season 3[23:54:35] <R2robot> oh yeah, seasons 1-2 = the greatest TV drama of all time[23:57:16] <solidfox> found that design patterns book on some university web server[23:57:51] <solidfox> Atari2600[23:58:58] <Atari2600> cool[23:59:02] <Atari2600> devour it now