January 13, 2019 
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<rindolf!~rindolf@77.125.57.214> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.shlomifish.org/ ; Some people grow older and wiser. Not I. I grow older and more foolish.)[11:20:01] *** Tobbi <Tobbi!~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi> has joined #gamedev[11:23:39] *** krychu <krychu!~krychu@2a02:1205:505c:2ab0:71ee:ce21:724d:7a0d> has joined #gamedev[11:35:01] *** iLoVue <iLoVue!~DinoJS@41.107.32.144> has joined #gamedev[11:45:34] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[11:49:13] *** Tiyanki <Tiyanki!~Nick@static-213-100-165-116.cust.tele2.lv> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:56:50] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has joined #gamedev[12:03:13] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[12:12:48] *** immibis <immibis!~immibis@125-238-72-168-fibre.sparkbb.co.nz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[12:25:35] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has joined #gamedev[12:30:53] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[12:36:47] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has joined #gamedev[12:41:29] *** xen74 <xen74!~xen74@2001:44b8:2e3:9b00:39b0:b0fa:e5fc:5ea4> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[12:48:48] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d412:5414:67f3:2594> has joined #gamedev[12:54:21] <Donitzo> good news everyone[12:58:11] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d412:5414:67f3:2594> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[13:19:40] <brainzap> good day Donitzo[13:36:04] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[13:44:57] *** knops <knops!~yannick@ip-62-143-84-11.hsi01.unitymediagroup.de> has joined #gamedev[14:03:21] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has joined #gamedev[14:13:55] *** Tobbi <Tobbi!~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…)[14:36:56] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[14:43:57] *** Tobbi <Tobbi!~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi> has joined #gamedev[14:44:00] *** refs <refs!~refs@dslb-178-012-114-047.178.012.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #gamedev[14:53:55] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d412:5414:67f3:2594> has joined #gamedev[14:59:25] <mr_lou> Outrun-ish game made by students for a set-top box. Go thumbs-up this video! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=injS4j12-mo[14:59:41] <mr_lou> ...if anyone here remembers what Outrun was...[15:00:49] *** solidfox <solidfox!~solidfox@unaffiliated/snake/x-2550465> has joined #gamedev[15:01:16] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d412:5414:67f3:2594> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[15:10:19] <solidfox> so this is strange to me. wonder if my lack of sleep is throwing off my basic spatial reasoning abilities...[15:10:34] *** Tobbi <Tobbi!~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…)[15:37:25] <solidfox> i guess in a way 2d games are actually like 3d games[15:38:02] <solidfox> but with a fixed camera, and many flat objects with no depth[15:38:09] <solidfox> but they have a position in z[15:38:24] * solidfox adds z to ECS transform component[15:42:21] *** Tobbi <Tobbi!~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi> has joined #gamedev[15:58:29] <Donitzo> ofc[15:58:36] <Donitzo> you always need depth in 2d games[15:58:41] <Donitzo> well, "almost" always[16:00:53] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[16:02:37] *** LunarJetman <LunarJetman!LunarJetma@94.196.247.102.threembb.co.uk> has joined #gamedev[16:04:05] *** HZun <HZun!~HZun@0x3ec721e2.osd.customer.dk.telia.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[16:04:54] <Donitzo> so, the new resident evil game looks pretty great[16:05:08] <Donitzo> will be getting it, since RE7 was such a pleasent surprise[16:05:26] *** moongazer <moongazer!~moongazer@unaffiliated/moongazer> has joined #gamedev[16:11:18] <solidfox> yes just like GTA[16:11:35] <solidfox> GTAV was the pinnacle of violent crime simulation[16:11:43] <solidfox> and it never crashed[16:12:07] <Donitzo> GTA was 2.5D though[16:12:19] <pulse> it was 2D with 3D tricks[16:16:35] <solidfox> heh well i dont remember san andreas ever crashing, but i was like 12 when i played that (prolly shouldnt have been but i turned out fine in the end), and GTAV crashes all the time[16:16:52] <solidfox> same with vice city. never crashed[16:17:04] <pulse> erm[16:17:10] <pulse> i played quite a bit of gta v and it never crashed for me[16:17:11] <pulse> *shrug*[16:17:16] <solidfox> pulse: what console[16:17:19] <pulse> PC[16:17:25] <solidfox> pulse: im on ps3[16:17:36] <pulse> i think i encountered a few odd glitches but it never outright crashed[16:17:39] <pulse> solidfox, ah. weird[16:17:51] <pulse> one would assume it would run better on the actual target platform, heh[16:17:52] <solidfox> yeah sometimes reinstalling helps, but lately, no avail[16:36:23] *** pavonia <pavonia!~user@unaffiliated/siracusa> has joined #gamedev[16:41:46] *** Tobbi <Tobbi!~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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The '.h' extension is used for C header files, and therefore communicates the wrong thing about C++ header files. Using no extension communicates nothing and forces inspection of file contents to determine type. Using '.hpp' unambiguously identifies it as C++ header file, and works well in actual practice."[20:28:24] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has joined #gamedev[20:32:56] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[20:34:56] *** freestyledork <freestyledork!~freestyle@unaffiliated/freestyledork> has quit IRC (Quit: freestyledork)[20:39:25] *** Buoy172 <Buoy172!~Buoy172@95.86.6.187> has joined #gamedev[20:42:42] <pulse> LunarJetman, https://i.imgur.com/zPs224b.png[20:42:46] <pulse> this is what i think of that argument[20:43:56] <pulse> also wtf is hpp anyway[20:44:02] <pulse> header-plus-plus ? :D[20:55:08] <pulse> it's remarkable how uptight programmers get about trivial and/or petty shit[20:55:34] <solidfox> ah man i made a singleton for both my context and states and it got into an infinite loop lol[20:55:42] <solidfox> doesnt crash though[20:55:45] <solidfox> strange[20:56:03] <pulse> singletons are immoral[20:56:06] <pulse> :p[20:56:27] <solidfox> pulse: o][o told me not to abuse extern and to use a singleton isntead[20:56:32] <solidfox> but its making my head spin :/[20:56:56] <pulse> erm[20:57:00] <pulse> are you doing C or C++ m9[20:57:06] <solidfox> c++[20:57:24] * pulse scratches head[20:57:34] <solidfox> ???[20:57:40] <pulse> are you doing global variables?[20:57:42] <solidfox> singleton is an OOP thing right[20:57:52] <solidfox> pulse: yes, and i was advised not to[20:57:55] <pulse> yeah but it kinda goes against every principle of OOP[20:57:55] <pulse> lol[20:58:02] * pulse shrugs[20:58:05] <solidfox> so whats the confusion[20:58:12] <pulse> i never used extern in C++ i think[20:58:21] <pulse> no use for it[20:58:29] <solidfox> well yes thats why i was told it was wrong and should do something else[20:58:33] <solidfox> namely singleton[20:58:42] <solidfox> pulse: what else could i do?[20:58:49] <pulse> a class and then an instance of that class[20:59:02] <pulse> even if it's a single instance[20:59:03] <pulse> doesn't matter[20:59:14] <pulse> i mean that's MY way of doing things[20:59:18] <pulse> it's not written in stone[20:59:42] <solidfox> yes well this state pattern is a bit complicated.. so that wont suffice[20:59:57] *** cheakoirccloud <cheakoirccloud!uid293319@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ybreqwnzwscvcwci> has joined #gamedev[21:00:03] <pulse> https://stackoverflow.com/a/138012[21:01:19] <solidfox> hm maybe i should just do a FSM instead of state pattern[21:01:37] <solidfox> damn gotta rewrite everything again[21:02:17] <pulse> step 1: devise the simplest possible design that works[21:02:19] <pulse> step 2: implement it[21:02:25] <pulse> usually works for me[21:02:41] <pulse> pen and paper helps[21:02:46] <pulse> and boxes with arrows[21:03:02] <solidfox> yes. i did plan this on pen and paper which is why the game logic itself is done[21:03:12] <solidfox> the only thing i didnt know how to do was to switch screens[21:03:34] <solidfox> start screen, difficulty screen, actual gameplay, the game over screen, the pause screen, the score entry screen[21:04:30] *** mr_lou <mr_lou!~misthalos@085083077157.dynamic.telenor.dk> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:04:44] <pulse> easy[21:04:49] <solidfox> so im thinking the easiest way is just a god class that's call FSM. it contains all functions for Draw() and HandleInput()[21:04:54] *** mr_lou <mr_lou!~misthalos@085083077157.dynamic.telenor.dk> has joined #gamedev[21:05:02] <pulse> no[21:05:22] <solidfox> StartScreenDraw(). it runs if State = StateEnum::start_screen[21:05:24] <pulse> make a class called State[21:05:26] <pulse> or Screen[21:05:29] <pulse> or something along those lines[21:05:36] <pulse> then inherit from it for each screen you have[21:05:45] <pulse> use polymorphism, it's why you have it[21:05:48] <solidfox> yes i have that so far[21:06:09] <pulse> no ifs required[21:06:12] <pulse> just state.draw()[21:06:14] <pulse> done[21:06:17] <solidfox> thats what i have[21:06:33] <pulse> then you're on the right track[21:06:46] <solidfox> Context.Action() calls context.current_state.Draw() and HandleInput()[21:07:18] <solidfox> pulse: where do the instances of each state go?[21:07:28] <LunarJetman> solidfox: singleton<foo>::instance()[21:08:51] <solidfox> LunarJetman: this singleton stuff is hard to understand so im not gonna do it anymore[21:08:58] <LunarJetman> pfft[21:09:11] <LunarJetman> so what are you going to do instead?[21:09:24] <pulse> solidfox, just make and delete them on the fly[21:09:29] <pulse> it's not brain surgery[21:09:48] <solidfox> pulse: ok but where will it be stored?[21:09:58] <pulse> :D[21:10:04] <pulse> wherever you think is appropriate[21:10:06] <solidfox> heap stack or what?[21:10:11] <solidfox> i dont wanna have memory leaks..[21:10:14] <pulse> i usually have some kind of a Scene class[21:10:18] <pulse> where i keep a state instance[21:10:31] <LunarJetman> solidfox: I talk about singletons here: http://i42.co.uk/stuff/spaghetti.htm[21:10:33] <pulse> when i need to switch states, i delete the current instance (if required), then make another[21:10:50] <pulse> i mean you could make the state global for all the computer cares[21:10:58] <solidfox> ok but if you have a state field, and your inherited classes are different sizes, there wont be enough room for your states[21:11:06] <pulse> it's just neater if it's somewhat packed in a proper environment[21:11:14] <pulse> "state field"?[21:11:21] <pulse> different sizes?[21:11:27] <solidfox> State Scene::State;[21:11:28] <LunarJetman> solidfox: that page says what you should do instead of singleton[21:11:31] * pulse raises eyebrows[21:11:43] <solidfox> StartScreenState : public State { more fields than State in here, bigger size }[21:12:48] <LunarJetman> "State" sounds like a terrible name for a class unless it is part of a FSM[21:13:05] <solidfox> LunarJetman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_pattern[21:13:24] <pulse> GameState is kinda nice[21:13:37] <pulse> i mean most names are pretty bad tbh[21:13:42] <solidfox> the name is kinda irrevelevant right now[21:15:01] <LunarJetman> the state pattern is occasionally useful but I suspect you are misusing it[21:16:34] <solidfox> talking to you guys is frustrating[21:16:56] <solidfox> how do you figure im misusing it?[21:17:16] <LunarJetman> what made you think you needed it?[21:17:21] <solidfox> i explained exactly what im doing.. so "suspect" is an odd word choice[21:18:06] <solidfox> LunarJetman: all my states each have draw() and HandleInput()[21:18:14] <solidfox> LunarJetman: they all do this differently[21:18:34] <solidfox> start screen state draws a menu, and lets you press up down and enter to navigate a menu[21:19:00] <solidfox> difficulty is similar but with different menu and acting on the game object, instead of the records[21:19:09] <solidfox> (records = game scores)[21:19:54] <solidfox> the game screen state interacts with the game in handle input, you can press up to rotate, down left right to change position. the score is drawn.[21:20:17] <solidfox> LunarJetman: because they all do Draw and HandleInput differently, that's why.[21:21:24] <solidfox> LunarJetman: what else?[21:27:20] *** immibis <immibis!~immibis@125-238-72-168-fibre.sparkbb.co.nz> has joined #gamedev[21:29:23] *** Tobbi <Tobbi!~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi> has joined #gamedev[21:30:39] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d412:5414:67f3:2594> has joined #gamedev[21:34:32] <solidfox> pulse: if i create a new instance of the state with new, then assign it to context.state (which is a pointer to state) i think that will work[21:34:56] <solidfox> wait no there's a memory leak there[21:35:33] <solidfox> because i wont be able to delete the current state inside its handle_input function[21:35:42] <solidfox> or i will get a deleted function error[21:35:47] <pulse> i think MAYBE just maybe you need to work on some easier projects first :P[21:36:04] <solidfox> easier than tetris?[21:36:09] <pulse> you need to delete the previous state[21:36:12] <pulse> well, tetris is pretty easy[21:36:16] <pulse> you doing tetris?[21:36:18] <pulse> nice[21:36:18] <solidfox> yes[21:36:28] <pulse> that's a good game to make[21:36:40] <solidfox> yes its done, i just gotta convert it from curses to sdl[21:36:55] <solidfox> but sdl allocates resources, which is basically my problem[21:37:54] <solidfox> well maybe i could make a copy and call it context.previous_state;[21:38:13] <solidfox> delete it, inside the next state's constructor if its not nullptr[21:39:41] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d412:5414:67f3:2594> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[21:41:28] <LunarJetman> it is quite legal to delete an object from within a member function[21:41:39] <LunarJetman> delete this;[21:43:22] <solidfox> LunarJetman: i get an error. and its a pointer.[21:43:41] <solidfox> its not delete this[21:43:52] <solidfox> its context.state = &game_screen_state;[21:44:04] <LunarJetman> delete this was an example[21:44:25] <LunarJetman> the point is you can delete an object whilst executing one of those object's member functions[21:44:48] <solidfox> ok.[21:45:12] <solidfox> i dont remmeber what i was doing when i got the error, it might have been a callback instead of object function[21:45:19] <LunarJetman> you just cannot access any object member variables after it has been deleted (or call any virtual member functions)[21:45:21] <solidfox> (that was version 0)[21:46:49] <solidfox> no it wasnt a callback[21:47:09] <solidfox> i'll try to just delete it without the extra "previous_state" pointer, and if i get the error again, i'll ask you about it[21:48:33] *** brainzap <brainzap!~brainzap@217.22.129.78> has quit IRC (Quit: My tummy says it's time to sleep Mr. Bubbles.)[21:48:46] *** immibis <immibis!~immibis@125-238-72-168-fibre.sparkbb.co.nz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[21:53:32] *** moongazer <moongazer!~moongazer@unaffiliated/moongazer> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[21:53:47] *** grim002 <grim002!~grim001@ip70-173-209-228.lv.lv.cox.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:55:33] <solidfox> now im getting a different error[21:55:35] <solidfox> src/state/start_screen_state.cpp:89:28: warning: deleting object of abstract class type ‘State’ which has non-virtual destructor will cause undefined behavior [-Wdelete-non-virtual-dtor][21:55:36] <solidfox> delete context.state;[21:55:45] *** batman_nair <batman_nair!~batman_na@111.92.77.160> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:56:02] <solidfox> not even my prev_state pointer will fix that sigh[21:57:02] <solidfox> could i cast here?[21:59:11] <LunarJetman> no[22:00:04] <LunarJetman> it is a bug; you are deleting an abstract class type which probably means you are deleting in base class or some such[22:00:24] <LunarJetman> oh wait[22:00:28] <LunarJetman> scratch that[22:00:35] <LunarJetman> you just need to make your base class dtor virtual[22:04:27] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:05:47] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has joined #gamedev[22:05:57] <o][o> solidfox:[22:06:10] *** Donitzo <Donitzo!~Donitzo@85-156-203-108.elisa-laajakaista.fi> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:06:12] <o][o> solidfox: https://github.com/thinlizzy/die-tk/blob/master/die-tk/util/singleton.h[22:06:51] <solidfox> obj/start_screen_state.o: In function `StartScreenState::StartScreenState(Context&)':[22:06:53] <solidfox> /home/eric/Projects/tetris-clone2/src/state/start_screen_state.cpp:15: undefined reference to `State::~State()'[22:08:30] *** Tylak <Tylak!~Tylak@074-135-002-092.res.spectrum.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[22:09:13] <solidfox> o][o: nice it has a good license too[22:09:36] <solidfox> never heard of the artistic license[22:10:03] <o][o> it is basically: "feel free to use it, but don't be a dick to the original author"[22:10:34] <o][o> that template implements a singleton wrapper that can be accessed (and lazy loaded) with instance()[22:10:48] <o][o> this solves a lot of static initialization fiasco problems in a non intrusive manner[22:11:20] <o][o> remember that externs and statics are the same shit. both have undefined initialization order[22:11:53] <o][o> (among translation units)[22:12:41] <solidfox> LunarJetman: i dont think that works[22:12:46] <solidfox> LunarJetman: but the cast is working[22:12:54] <solidfox> gonna see if i can finish it this way[22:14:21] <solidfox> oh wait wonder if i could delete this like you said[22:14:27] <solidfox> its a pointer to the current state as well[22:14:36] <solidfox> i was using context.state[22:17:08] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[22:18:18] <solidfox> sigh nope[22:18:24] <solidfox> that doesnt work either[22:19:17] <o][o> brb in 3h[22:19:24] <o][o> then I can help you with your code, if you want[22:21:02] <solidfox> o][o: having 3 people telling me different things is hard. dont worry about it[22:21:27] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has joined #gamedev[22:22:24] *** rindolf <rindolf!~rindolf@77.125.57.214> has joined #gamedev[22:24:06] <rindolf> hi all[22:24:18] <pulse> ahoy-hoy[22:30:07] *** Tylak <Tylak!~Tylak@074-135-002-092.res.spectrum.com> has joined #gamedev[22:30:10] <LunarJetman> solidfox: cast is not the right thing to do; make the base class dtor virtual[22:30:41] <solidfox> LunarJetman: i did that and im getting undefined references[22:30:52] <LunarJetman> then you have another bug[22:30:57] <LunarJetman> did you define the dtor?[22:31:00] <solidfox> its not a bug if it doesnt build[22:31:32] <LunarJetman> by bug I mean mistake[22:31:37] <solidfox> LunarJetman: virtual ~State() = 0;[22:31:53] <LunarJetman> don't make it pure[22:32:06] <LunarJetman> replace "= 0;" with "{}"[22:32:45] <solidfox> ok that worked[22:33:01] <solidfox> so there is virtual , virtual with {} and virtual with 0[22:33:04] <solidfox> ??? lol[22:33:12] <myke> yeah that's gross[22:33:18] <myke> 0 is NULL?[22:33:30] <solidfox> myke: it means its a pure virtual function[22:33:31] <LunarJetman> well you can define the dtor in the .cpp if you don't like {}[22:33:46] <myke> {} is just an anonymous null implementation?[22:33:50] <myke> i never learned C++ properly[22:33:58] <LunarJetman> it is a function definition[22:34:08] <LunarJetman> special function (dtor) in this case[22:34:22] <myke> so setting it to null means it's pure virtual?[22:34:23] <solidfox> myke: yeah thats just an empty code block {}[22:34:42] <solidfox> myke: no setting it to 0 means its pure virtual[22:34:52] <solidfox> although i suppose the value of NULL is 0[22:35:00] <LunarJetman> don't use that[22:35:07] <solidfox> i think it doesnt have to be, but im not a c wizard[22:35:19] <solidfox> LunarJetman: 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