January 11, 2019 
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January 11, 2019 [00:00:30] *** ShadowIce <ShadowIce!~pyoro@unaffiliated/shadowice-x841044> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:04:25] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has joined #gamedev[00:09:28] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[00:12:11] *** [Relic] <[Relic]!~Relic]@2602:306:33a3:6d30:9c11:ce1e:7c9e:d7d8> has joined #gamedev[00:12:47] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has joined #gamedev[00:14:13] *** escherial <escherial!~escherial@unaffiliated/escherial> has quit IRC (Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds))[00:15:00] *** escherial <escherial!~escherial@unaffiliated/escherial> has joined #gamedev[00:15:27] <pulse> https://i.imgur.com/MXIjd1j.jpg[00:15:29] <pulse> mars one when[00:15:55] <pulse> mars two i guess[00:15:55] <pulse> lol[00:21:12] *** solidfox <solidfox!~solidfox@unaffiliated/snake/x-2550465> has joined #gamedev[00:28:09] *** Donitzo <Donitzo!~Donitzo@85-156-203-108.elisa-laajakaista.fi> has joined #gamedev[00:29:39] *** code_zombie <code_zombie!~code_zomb@2605:a601:aa1:da00:4943:4780:e89f:31c0> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:45:02] *** escherial <escherial!~escherial@unaffiliated/escherial> has quit IRC (Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds))[00:45:36] *** escherial <escherial!~escherial@unaffiliated/escherial> has joined #gamedev[00:46:22] *** atomekk <atomekk!~atomekk@unaffiliated/atomekk> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:51:38] *** Tobbi <Tobbi!~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:52:03] *** Tobbi__ <Tobbi__!~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi> has joined #gamedev[00:54:30] *** ZeroSystem <ZeroSystem!45f81b6b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.248.27.107> has joined #gamedev[00:57:40] *** macza_ <macza_!~macza@162.221.202.202> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:00:31] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d412:5414:67f3:2594> has joined #gamedev[01:03:36] *** Beliar <Beliar!~Beliar@2a02:8108:9640:6c42:2160:d6ca:d240:693b> has quit IRC (Quit: The only real mistake is the one from which we learn nothing)[01:07:46] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d412:5414:67f3:2594> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[01:25:29] *** macza <macza!~macza@d75-157-125-9.bchsia.telus.net> has joined #gamedev[01:25:47] *** macza <macza!~macza@d75-157-125-9.bchsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[01:26:27] *** macza <macza!~macza@67.231.29.194> has joined #gamedev[01:31:10] *** rindolf <rindolf!~rindolf@77.125.57.214> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[01:33:48] *** macza <macza!~macza@67.231.29.194> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[01:39:14] *** xrash <xrash!~xrash@177.138.111.125> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[01:39:41] *** xrash <xrash!~xrash@201-43-205-170.dsl.telesp.net.br> has joined #gamedev[01:45:20] *** freestyledork <freestyledork!~freestyle@unaffiliated/freestyledork> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[01:58:07] *** babuloseo <babuloseo!~babuloseo@unaffiliated/babuloseo> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:00:43] *** babuloseo <babuloseo!~babuloseo@unaffiliated/babuloseo> has joined #gamedev[02:11:23] *** LunarJetman <LunarJetman!LunarJetma@94.196.247.102.threembb.co.uk> has quit IRC (Quit: LunarJetman)[02:13:17] *** Tylak <Tylak!~Tylak@074-135-002-092.res.spectrum.com> has joined #gamedev[02:16:21] *** pulse <pulse!~pulse@unaffiliated/pulse> has quit IRC (Quit: pulse)[02:28:38] *** RoadKillGrill <RoadKillGrill!~RoadKillG@cpe-24-166-114-198.neo.res.rr.com> has joined #gamedev[02:33:25] *** Tobbi__ <Tobbi__!~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[02:39:36] *** refs <refs!~refs@dslb-178-005-091-189.178.005.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: refs)[02:58:06] *** RoadKillGrill <RoadKillGrill!~RoadKillG@cpe-24-166-114-198.neo.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[03:04:00] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d412:5414:67f3:2594> has joined #gamedev[03:12:17] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[03:36:54] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d412:5414:67f3:2594> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[03:38:30] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has joined #gamedev[03:42:54] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[03:52:07] *** freestyledork <freestyledork!~freestyle@unaffiliated/freestyledork> has joined #gamedev[03:55:48] <solidfox> which vr headset should i get? are they all incompatible? i saw the htc vive on a channel and it showed old people using it, and it looked cool[03:56:06] *** mobile_c_ <mobile_c_!~mobile_c@2405:7f00:8a02:df00:885c:581:312e:e3c8> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[03:56:15] <NiniGeo2> If you have a nice gaming PC, then I would recommend either an HTC Vive or an Oculus Rift.[04:00:09] <solidfox> ah damn. i dont. cant even run unreal[04:00:27] <solidfox> i have 8gb of ram, an intel core i3, and intel graphics[04:01:28] <NiniGeo2> Oh, then I would not recommend those :o[04:01:31] <NiniGeo2> Do you have a PS4 Pro?[04:01:37] <NiniGeo2> If so, then you can get PSVR.[04:01:59] <solidfox> no i dont[04:02:18] *** mobile_c_ <mobile_c_!~mobile_c@cpe-172-192-56-45.qld.foxtel.net.au> has joined #gamedev[04:02:20] <solidfox> guess im gonna have to wait until i get myself to find another job[04:04:58] *** cheakoirccloud <cheakoirccloud!uid293319@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fwvaeskhxtqjeirx> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[04:05:23] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has joined #gamedev[04:05:45] <NiniGeo2> :([04:05:56] <NiniGeo2> Sorry solidfox![04:06:01] <NiniGeo2> Maybe you can try VR out at a friend's house?[04:10:03] *** jlebrech <jlebrech!~jlebrech@89.165.136.2> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[04:14:29] <babuloseo> :o vr headset[04:14:31] <babuloseo> rich boy[04:14:34] <babuloseo> NiniGeo2:[04:15:13] <NiniGeo2> My understanding of compatability is that most of the ones for PC will work with one another, although you may have to use SteamVR or Windows Mixed Reality to get them to work properly.[04:17:40] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has joined #gamedev[04:29:45] *** firippu <firippu!~philip@unaffiliated/firippu> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[04:42:01] *** babuloseo <babuloseo!~babuloseo@unaffiliated/babuloseo> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[05:20:50] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[05:22:52] *** Tylak <Tylak!~Tylak@074-135-002-092.res.spectrum.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de)[05:25:24] *** qrestlove <qrestlove!~qrestlove@2605:6000:eb4a:ef00:347a:7bd3:7ad2:b0a8> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[05:26:32] *** solidfox <solidfox!~solidfox@unaffiliated/snake/x-2550465> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.3)[05:27:52] *** freestyledork <freestyledork!~freestyle@unaffiliated/freestyledork> has quit IRC (Quit: freestyledork)[05:32:54] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d412:5414:67f3:2594> has joined #gamedev[05:44:08] *** mr_lou <mr_lou!~misthalos@085083077157.dynamic.telenor.dk> has joined #gamedev[05:54:36] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has joined #gamedev[05:55:30] *** pavonia <pavonia!~user@unaffiliated/siracusa> has quit IRC (Quit: Bye!)[05:57:28] *** [Relic] <[Relic]!~Relic]@2602:306:33a3:6d30:9c11:ce1e:7c9e:d7d8> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[06:05:31] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d412:5414:67f3:2594> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[06:14:09] *** qrestlove <qrestlove!~qrestlove@2605:6000:eb4a:ef00:c977:813f:a17:2b0> has joined #gamedev[06:22:28] *** mandeep <mandeep!mandeep@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mandeepb> has joined #gamedev[06:30:39] *** universecoder <universecoder!~moongazer@unaffiliated/moongazer> has joined #gamedev[06:33:48] *** immibis <immibis!~immibis@125-238-72-168-fibre.sparkbb.co.nz> has joined #gamedev[06:59:12] *** batman_nair <batman_nair!~batman_na@111.92.77.160> has joined #gamedev[07:02:13] *** atomekk <atomekk!~atomekk@unaffiliated/atomekk> has joined #gamedev[07:09:18] *** lurchman <lurchman!~lurchman@cpe-74-70-68-50.nycap.res.rr.com> has joined #gamedev[07:14:41] *** jprajzne <jprajzne!jprajzne@nat/redhat/x-ljhderngcjyefgkv> has joined #gamedev[07:31:50] *** xrash <xrash!~xrash@201-43-205-170.dsl.telesp.net.br> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[07:39:13] <jprajzne> unbeatablemind.com/jamie-wheal-2/ - brainzzz[07:42:36] *** lurchman <lurchman!~lurchman@cpe-74-70-68-50.nycap.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de)[07:43:20] <LastTalon> NiniGeo2, actually there are some compatibility issues between the oculus rift and htc vive. Primarily oculus rift's api likes to be pretty exclusive, but game devs tend to bend over backward to get those to both work for their games because they're the most popular.[07:45:12] <LastTalon> I haven't looked into it in a while though.[07:46:07] <NiniGeo2> Oh really? I thought that generally, you can easily run any Steam VR game with a HTC Vive, and that you can run any Oculus Store game with a Rift, and if you want to play across platforms, SteamVR is pretty well compatable with Oculus Rift, and ReVive is pretty compatible with HTC Vive? :o[07:46:26] <LastTalon> But it used to be that you'd need both APIs because oculus would make it so that the vive had issues with their API and they would make it so that the rift didn't like working with SteamVR.[07:47:26] <LastTalon> You there was no real problem with compatibility insofar as both could work with a game, but you'd need to include both apis[07:48:13] <LastTalon> But yeah, SteamVR is supposed to be able to work with all VR headsets.[07:48:36] <LastTalon> Its supposed to be a general framework to work with everything, so it should work fine.[07:48:50] <LastTalon> It just sort of doesn't.[07:49:12] <LastTalon> Or at least, like I said, when I looked at it a while ago.[07:49:24] <LastTalon> I haven't really done any dev or anything for it recently.[07:50:18] <LastTalon> And yeah, Vive can work with the oculus API but you need a compatibility layer added.[07:50:43] <LastTalon> Oculus just doesn't like to play very nicely with the other kids.[07:57:02] <NiniGeo2> Yeah it is tough @_____@[07:57:54] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[07:58:08] <NiniGeo2> I'm sure that conversely, some people don't like that using SteamVR in your game requires that you have Steam running and logged-in.[08:00:06] *** batman_nair <batman_nair!~batman_na@111.92.77.160> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[08:01:39] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d412:5414:67f3:2594> has joined #gamedev[08:10:16] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d412:5414:67f3:2594> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[08:10:33] <LastTalon> Do you have to be logged in?[08:10:40] <LastTalon> I wasn't sure that was a requirement.[08:10:51] <LastTalon> In fact it pops up all the time even if steam isn't running.[08:11:27] <NiniGeo2> Oh, I think that there's a known Firefox bug with SteamVR that causes it to pop up when you visit certain websites that try and run WebVR content.[08:11:38] <NiniGeo2> You can change an option in your Firefox's about:config to fix it![08:11:51] <LastTalon> Basically if the driver is running the steamvr window pops up.[08:12:05] <LastTalon> So if anything at all tries to talk to the drivers it runs.[08:12:20] <LastTalon> Even if its not actively using the headset.[08:12:21] <LastTalon> Lol[08:12:34] <LastTalon> I mostly get it with dev tools.[08:12:49] <LastTalon> Certain things when I run them, even if I'm not doing anything with VR will pop it up.[08:13:20] <LastTalon> There's an interesting fix for it... if you unplug the headset it won't do that.[08:13:25] * LastTalon shrugs[08:13:52] <NiniGeo2> Bugs @_____@[08:13:59] <LastTalon> Its not exactly a bug.[08:14:07] <LastTalon> Just really awkward and unintuitive to the end user.[08:14:36] <LastTalon> The end user doesn't expect their vive to pop up on their screen just because some application has said "I might want to talk to the vive at some point later on, but not now."[08:15:14] <LastTalon> If you don't have the headset plugged in the drivers just ignore everything though, so nothing happens.[08:17:38] *** terminx <terminx!~terminx@173-16-252-156.client.mchsi.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[08:20:27] *** mrkake <mrkake!~kake@209.6.195.29> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[08:21:01] *** mrkake <mrkake!~kake@209.6.195.29> has joined #gamedev[08:22:40] *** stefkos <stefkos!~Pawel@79.184.22.29.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl> has joined #gamedev[08:23:00] *** terminx <terminx!~terminx@173-16-252-156.client.mchsi.com> has joined #gamedev[08:24:37] *** gogoprog <gogoprog!~gogoprog@2a02:a03f:44f0:6600:71a2:8b47:f039:570d> has joined #gamedev[08:32:19] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has joined #gamedev[08:36:09] *** ^|SnIpeR|^ <^|SnIpeR|^!~BIeh@cpe-120-146-186-20.static.qld.bigpond.net.au> has joined #gamedev[08:37:52] *** ^|SnIpeR|^ <^|SnIpeR|^!~BIeh@cpe-120-146-186-20.static.qld.bigpond.net.au> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[08:42:28] *** NiniGeo2 <NiniGeo2!~NiniGeo2@c-73-178-72-18.hsd1.nj.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: G'nini everybody! 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Because he used up all his cache[13:34:11] <pulse> DnzAtWrk2, stay away from nicotine if you're smart[13:34:22] <pulse> rts-sander, not really, took me 16 years[13:34:42] <pulse> and it's still a high-risk situation for me, i need to go like a year without before i can be sure i won't relapse[13:35:02] <pulse> psychological patterns and all that crap[13:35:09] <DnzAtWrk2> hmm[13:35:13] <pulse> doing my best to remind myself of it though[13:35:13] <DnzAtWrk2> apparently people vape coffee[13:35:50] <rts-sander> yeah addictions can be deeply rooted, especially nicotine for some reason[13:35:55] <pulse> plus my real addiction is weed[13:36:02] <pulse> nicotine i can handle as i don't like it[13:36:14] <pulse> the high sucks, the taste is awful[13:36:20] <pulse> weed on the other hand ...[13:36:30] <rts-sander> yeah nicotine costs a lot of money and doesn't even get you high[13:36:41] <pulse> it does, but the high sucks[13:36:55] <pulse> it lasts for about 3 minutes, it gives you a mild buzz[13:37:04] <pulse> and it's supposed to relax you a bit but really it just makes you want to light up another one[13:37:55] <pulse> i never liked it, i mostly smoked cigs because it allowed me to hang out with the cool kids in school :D[13:38:00] <rts-sander> my weed "addiction" died when I stopped hanging out with certain people[13:38:01] <pulse> which is the stupidest possible reason to do it[13:38:07] <pulse> and probably why 99% of people start[13:38:27] <pulse> rts-sander, eh, i still hang out with my weed friends, just less often[13:38:30] <rts-sander> can't really call it addiction though until you start doing it alone[13:38:39] <pulse> and i tell them to fuck off if they try to offer me any[13:38:46] <pulse> rts-sander, probably true[13:38:56] <brainzap> rts-sander with the philosophy[13:39:00] <rts-sander> yeah and they'll keep offering lol[13:40:14] <rts-sander> brainzap, what do you mean with "with the philosophy"?[13:42:35] <DnzAtWrk2> You telling me I'm addicted to alcohol because I drink whisky alone?[13:42:38] <DnzAtWrk2> Why I never![13:49:52] <pulse> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o-7rPnZhXo[13:50:25] <pulse> nice music[13:50:45] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has joined #gamedev[13:52:29] <DnzAtWrk2> that's it![13:52:33] <DnzAtWrk2> Widescreen has gone too far[13:55:09] <pulse> :D[13:56:59] <DnzAtWrk2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZDRZPRuubk&list=PLfIlC0sT8dexv0HnKFuV-WMWmfXBZ5mh3[13:57:05] <DnzAtWrk2> one of my favorite osts[13:57:47] <DnzAtWrk2> someone must be really dedicated to spend so much time on a fan game which could be c&d so easily[14:00:47] *** moongazer <moongazer!~moongazer@unaffiliated/moongazer> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[14:03:16] *** xen74 <xen74!~xen74@2001:44b8:2e3:9b00:59ac:fa66:1b49:590e> has joined #gamedev[14:09:00] *** DaScoot <DaScoot!~Scooter@static-24-153-33-9.cpe.metrocast.net> has joined #gamedev[14:15:55] *** moongazer 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I can no longer see the ending where collin gets stabbed[18:44:25] *** regreg <regreg!~regreg@85.121.54.224> has joined #gamedev[18:46:54] *** solidfox <solidfox!~solidfox@unaffiliated/snake/x-2550465> has joined #gamedev[18:47:54] *** Tobbi <Tobbi!~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi> has joined #gamedev[18:48:10] *** xrash <xrash!~xrash@187.74.132.168> has joined #gamedev[18:49:53] *** LunarJetman <LunarJetman!LunarJetma@94.196.247.102.threembb.co.uk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[18:53:33] *** moongazer <moongazer!~moongazer@unaffiliated/moongazer> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[18:53:41] <Atari2600> found it :D[18:57:52] *** knops <knops!~yannick@ip-62-143-84-11.hsi01.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:08:03] *** LunarJetman <LunarJetman!LunarJetma@94.196.247.102.threembb.co.uk> has joined #gamedev[19:11:53] *** cheakoirccloud <cheakoirccloud!uid293319@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aeuayatmwlgxkxtn> has joined #gamedev[19:16:19] *** Tobbi <Tobbi!~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…)[21:06:18] *** brainzap <brainzap!~brainzap@217.22.129.78> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[21:08:23] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[21:09:10] <pulse> holy shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJClbTrY0VE[21:09:11] <pulse> :D[21:10:25] *** Tobbi <Tobbi!~Tobbi@supertux/tobbi> has joined #gamedev[21:17:32] *** knops <knops!~yannick@ip-62-143-84-11.hsi01.unitymediagroup.de> has joined #gamedev[21:18:04] * Atari2600 drinks coffee[21:19:50] <pulse> you monster[21:21:03] <Atari2600> either a strong pour over in the morning[21:21:15] <Atari2600> or a cappuccino + a latte in the afternoon[21:30:30] *** xrash <xrash!~xrash@191.8.113.169> has joined #gamedev[21:31:24] *** mandeep <mandeep!mandeep@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/mandeepb> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:35:12] <solidfox> didju guys goto college[21:35:22] <solidfox> and finish and pay off your debt[21:36:11] <aeth> If you want to go to college in the US and not have to worry about debt, go to a community college for 2 years and then a state university for 2 and you should have almost no debt.[21:36:38] <aeth> What you absolutely shouldn't do is go to a small private college that will cost 10x as much for probably a worse education than the state uni[21:36:48] <aeth> At least worse in STEM[21:40:02] *** moongazer <moongazer!~moongazer@unaffiliated/moongazer> has joined #gamedev[21:40:44] *** brainzap <brainzap!~brainzap@217.22.129.78> has joined #gamedev[21:45:31] *** brainzap <brainzap!~brainzap@217.22.129.78> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[21:47:57] *** atomekk <atomekk!~atomekk@unaffiliated/atomekk> has joined #gamedev[21:49:22] <pulse> i went to college for 2 years then i dropped out[21:49:32] <pulse> also no debt here because free education[21:52:27] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d412:5414:67f3:2594> has joined #gamedev[21:57:35] <solidfox> pulse: i did 1 year[21:57:49] * pulse shrugs[21:58:00] * solidfox shrugs[21:58:03] <pulse> i may finish it someday if i feel like it or if i actually need it[21:58:34] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has joined #gamedev[21:58:44] <pulse> i don't really like the culture there at large[21:58:46] <DaScoot> I was lucky, just barely squeaked through college with no debt[21:58:50] <pulse> very few people are actually interested in what's being taught[21:59:04] <DaScoot> though it took me 8 years including 1 year of just working and no school[21:59:25] <pulse> yeah. the reason i quit was cause i had a total burnout from working and going to college at the same time[21:59:37] <pulse> i tried to handle it for a year then i realized i can't handle either[21:59:43] <DaScoot> I ended up switching majors and schools partway through[22:00:01] <DaScoot> in hindsight I think I had depression or something for a while there[22:00:06] <pulse> :s[22:00:37] <aeth> College definitely wrecked my health. I think at one point studying, classes, homework, clubs, side projects (like computer programs), etc. was like 80-90 hours a week.[22:01:11] <pulse> i had 0 time for partying during college, lol[22:01:19] <aeth> My college experience is one reason why I'll never work for a gamedev company that's not mine.[22:01:22] <pulse> first year i actually wanted to be successful at it so i studied non-stop[22:01:26] <aeth> I already tried the whole 80-90 hours thing[22:01:33] <pulse> probably a good thing that i did[22:02:08] <pulse> nowadays i just feel like i wouldn't benefit all that much if i enrolled back in[22:03:13] <aeth> Depends on what it is. You're probably not going to get the same learning experience outside of college because, yeah, you could buy the advanced textbooks, but good luck getting the discipline to push through them without a college environment.[22:03:44] <pulse> eh, i mean, maybe[22:03:45] <pulse> maybe not though[22:03:54] <pulse> if i'm interested in a subject i'll absolutely study it on my own[22:04:11] <pulse> the real benefit in college is the ability to ask people for help and to make connections[22:04:19] <aeth> I mean yeah you can study something on your own but it'll be 20x slower than in college[22:04:24] <aeth> Probably healthier, though.[22:04:37] <pulse> it depends[22:04:41] <pulse> it may just be quicker[22:04:54] <pulse> there's a lot of bureaucracy that goes on there[22:05:04] <pulse> not the most optimal way to gain knowledge imo[22:05:08] <pulse> but it is good in general[22:05:15] <pulse> i mean i'm very grateful that i actually went to college[22:05:22] <pulse> but the fact is, i learned everything on my own[22:05:30] <DaScoot> with programming there's a risk to self-teaching, it's easy to pick up a bad habit and not realize how bad it is because 'it works'[22:05:34] <pulse> my motivation was always gaining knowledge and not getting good grades[22:05:42] <pulse> and somehow i got really good grades anyway[22:05:53] <pulse> but it's true that i've been stagnating studies-wise[22:05:55] <aeth> DaScoot: With programming, the way they teach you it in universities is to have Cat inherits from Mammal inherits from Animal.[22:06:13] <pulse> i promised myself i'll study advanced math on my own and i haven't really lived up to that promise[22:06:18] <aeth> You absolutely need to learn Real Programming™ outside of university.[22:06:29] <pulse> yeah, agreed with aeth on that one[22:06:31] <aeth> The theory stuff is much harder to learn outside of university, though.[22:06:39] <pulse> a lot of people come fresh from college and have 0 experience programming[22:06:49] <DaScoot> well, you need experience, sure[22:06:53] <pulse> it's because they don't work on projects[22:07:02] <pulse> they wrongly assume college is going to give them enough knowledge[22:07:03] <pulse> wrong[22:07:05] <pulse> very wrong[22:07:08] <DaScoot> but I've seen code written by people whose only experience is quick online tutorials[22:07:23] <DaScoot> and it's...not fun[22:07:24] <aeth> A university project is basically starting from scratch and doing a half-implementation in a few weeks at most, except maybe for a handful of classes which could mean working up to the whole semester. From scratch, usually solo.[22:07:39] <aeth> On your own it means working for *years* on the same project, and using as much outside help and as many libraries as you can get away with.[22:08:01] <pulse> in my time in college i've met 1, maybe 2 people who were genuinely interested in programming. the rest were there because of job security or whatever[22:08:05] <pulse> and that's just the wrong motivation[22:08:08] <pulse> you'll never get good that way[22:08:12] <aeth> University projects usually explicitly say you can ignore most edge cases. Real projects are basically 95% edge cases.[22:08:28] <pulse> and there was no shortage of people who cheated any way they could[22:08:31] <aeth> pulse: If you want to find people interested in the subject take classes in the humanities[22:08:33] <Atari2600> solidfox, I am from Brazil, so I was able to go to two high quality universities with no debt at all[22:08:39] <aeth> Computer science is basicaclly all $$$[22:08:42] <aeth> *basically[22:08:49] <Atari2600> aeth, I have spent nothing[22:08:58] <pulse> aeth, idk about humanities, but the overwhelming feeling i got was that most people don't give two craps about computer science[22:08:59] <Atari2600> and I was even paid to do my Masters'[22:09:07] <pulse> it's hard to associate with such a crowd[22:09:09] * Atari2600 misses that time[22:09:13] <pulse> because i was always super enthusiastic about it[22:09:16] <aeth> Atari2600: I mean, people going into computer science as a whole are some of the most extrinsically motivated, all wanting money.[22:09:17] <Atari2600> money, women, fun[22:09:21] <pulse> and i could never find a single person like that[22:09:25] <pulse> everyone was just bored as fuck with it[22:09:31] <Atari2600> aeth, I had money already. I wanted to learn more and fuck more[22:09:40] <Atari2600> I work on the field since 1991[22:09:50] <aeth> lol[22:09:59] <aeth> how did you have time to date and/or have casual sex in uni?[22:10:07] <Atari2600> uni was all about casual sex[22:10:10] <Atari2600> we even sold beer there[22:10:12] <Atari2600> fun times indeed[22:10:28] <Atari2600> but some conservative assholes ruined our fun in 2000[22:10:57] <aeth> Drinking interferes with your reasoning for days. Where did you fit in time for drinking in your class schedule?[22:12:18] <solidfox> Atari2600: i dont party or have casual sex[22:12:23] <Atari2600> I think that was one of the reasons the assholes banned selling booze inside the uni[22:12:29] <Atari2600> we usually went drunk to the boring classes[22:12:33] <Atari2600> and trolled the teachers a lot[22:12:37] <Atari2600> but they deserved the trolling[22:12:47] <Atari2600> we spared the good teachers from that punishment, ofc[22:12:47] <aeth> solidfox: same[22:12:58] <aeth> solidfox: the only good party is a LAN party[22:13:13] <Atari2600> it was like this:[22:13:17] <Atari2600> wake up (at noon)[22:13:20] <Atari2600> eat anything at home[22:13:22] <Atari2600> go to college[22:13:29] <Atari2600> get drunk like a skunk[22:13:42] <Atari2600> go to a house of a colleague[22:13:43] <Atari2600> play games[22:13:46] <Atari2600> go to parties[22:13:48] <Atari2600> repeat[22:13:50] <aeth> I remember once a bunch of us put 4 xbox 360s together and did 16 player Halo 3, which was great.[22:14:08] <solidfox> aeth: haha nice[22:14:10] <aeth> Atari2600: see, I was in with the gamer nerd crowd the year I lived on campus[22:14:12] <solidfox> halo lan parties are great[22:14:27] <aeth> Atari2600: None of us did drugs or smoked or drank, only games and violent movies.[22:14:56] <aeth> You only have the budget for one form of entertainment, after all.[22:15:04] <Atari2600> we weren't into drugs either. sometimes pot, but it was not much common[22:15:21] <aeth> I have to mention drugs because there was a large group of people into pot on my campus[22:15:30] <Atari2600> lotsa games happened though (Starcraft, AoE2, HoMM 3, Diablo 2, Baldur's Gate...)[22:15:31] <aeth> like the music majors on the floor above me, apparently[22:16:17] <aeth> Atari2600: AoE 2 is great. More fun co-op vs AI though because then you can do ridiculous things without having to worry about one person being way better than you and ending things in the feudal age[22:16:24] <Atari2600> nah! AI sucked balls[22:16:34] <Atari2600> we used to balance the users well[22:16:37] <aeth> That's why you do something like 2v6[22:16:45] <aeth> Balance bad AI with more numbers/resources[22:16:45] <Atari2600> AI was cheaty and dumb[22:16:48] <Atari2600> no challenge[22:16:57] <aeth> Today's AoE II HD AI is pretty damn good. I can't really beat it.[22:17:06] <Atari2600> we either added one or two AIs to the weakest players or we rebalanced the parties[22:17:18] <Atari2600> we trained together fighting ourselves[22:17:19] <Atari2600> it was amazing[22:17:32] <aeth> I regularly beat the hardest back in the day but today's AoE II HD AI plays like a human MP player.[22:17:35] <Atari2600> and mocking was fair game :)[22:17:48] <Atari2600> nah! the today's AI just cheats more[22:18:00] <Atari2600> they added more tactics to it, but the level of cheating is the same[22:18:10] <Atari2600> they get resources from nowhere[22:18:10] <aeth> ah, whatever it is, I have no interest in learning the proper way to play AoE II to fight the new AI on a fair playing field[22:18:24] <aeth> The fun thing about old AoE II is that you didn't need to learn how to play it properly because no one knew how[22:18:36] <aeth> That's why no RTS can make it these days.[22:18:42] <Atari2600> wat[22:18:47] <aeth> Internet meta ruined RTSes[22:18:57] <aeth> You could casually play AoE II[22:19:05] <aeth> You have to hardcore play a modern RTS to keep up.[22:19:07] <Atari2600> hmmm our LAN parties were still preserved[22:19:13] <Atari2600> playing among friends[22:19:22] <myke> just set it to an easier difficulty[22:19:27] <Atari2600> playing in person is different than playing in the internet :)[22:19:51] <aeth> Atari2600: But you probably still couldn't do that today because someone is going to memorize the current competitive strategy[22:21:43] <Atari2600> then we put them in the strong bucket[22:22:08] <Atari2600> are you being too good? so we get an extra player or an AI[22:22:46] <Atari2600> when we play locally we want to have fun, but also fair competition[22:22:50] <Atari2600> in the internets.. the fun is over[22:22:55] <Atari2600> it is only WIIIIINNNNNNNNNN[22:23:08] <Atari2600> so we either play locally or with known friends in the internet[22:24:53] *** DaScoot <DaScoot!~Scooter@static-24-153-33-9.cpe.metrocast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Bye)[22:25:57] <aeth> Atari2600: cooperative can be way more fun though[22:26:09] <aeth> Atari2600: last time I did that the person I played with basically only spammed trebuchets[22:26:32] *** solidfox <solidfox!~solidfox@unaffiliated/snake/x-2550465> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.3)[22:26:32] <aeth> you get lots of ridiculous things you'll never see or even think of[22:26:55] *** Serpent7776 <Serpent7776!~Serpent77@90-156-31-193.internetia.net.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[22:29:31] <Atari2600> co-op can be fun too, but it gets lamey pretty easy[22:29:43] <Atari2600> because the challenge goes away[22:29:49] <Atari2600> like you said, they afforded to spam trebuchets[22:30:06] <aeth> that was the old AI, though.[22:30:12] <Atari2600> even with the new AI[22:30:20] <Atari2600> one player tanks, the other spams dumb units[22:30:21] <Atari2600> win[22:30:41] <Atari2600> the AI makes it very easy to tank and hold position[22:30:48] <Atari2600> they are not sneaky enough[22:31:45] <aeth> (1) play on islands where you're on your own one, preferably in a corner (or e.g. the Great Britain map and spawn in Norway, which is effectively an island there) (2) ship+tower turtle for an hour or so until AI runs out of resources (3) sweep in and win[22:31:47] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:32:01] <aeth> still works in current AoE II but it is harder, and way more grindy once the AI runs out[22:33:04] <aeth> what's great about Norway in the Great Britain map is that its coast is mostly cliffs so you an fully turtle with walls, and only expose one coast (between two cliffs) in the middle to a shore, for your transports.[22:33:16] <aeth> s/you an/you can/[22:33:41] <dostoyevsky> what is that thing called where you only load what's in the view in a 3d environment? Is that culling? Does unity3d have that builtin?[22:34:43] *** mr_lou <mr_lou!~misthalos@085083077157.dynamic.telenor.dk> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[22:37:44] <Atari2600> culling, yeah[22:39:01] <aeth> dostoyevsky: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden-surface_determination[22:39:18] <aeth> that's a mess of an article though[22:39:43] <aeth> It has like 6 names in the paragraph (the bold stuff) and none of them match the article name[22:39:49] <dostoyevsky> seems hard for me to implement in pure webgl...[22:40:54] <Atari2600> culling is annoying[22:44:43] <aeth> dostoyevsky: You can avoid implementing it for a long time. Modern GPUs are pretty powerful.[22:45:01] <dostoyevsky> aeth: ah, cool![22:47:46] <Atari2600> yeah! stuff their ass with vertices and let them to decide[22:47:49] <Atari2600> nothing bad will happen :D[22:48:07] <dostoyevsky> my puny laptop's gpu already has like 1.5G of RAM...[22:48:57] <dostoyevsky> That's a lot of RAM for a 3d scene[22:49:52] <dostoyevsky> Atari2600: One could also just load/unload areas on trigger points, and replace remote views with 3d images :)[22:50:14] *** brainzap <brainzap!~brainzap@217.22.129.78> has joined #gamedev[22:51:46] <dostoyevsky> like here: http://aurelm.com/2013/12/15/fernweh-3d-parallax-photography-tutorial/[22:55:19] *** gogoprog <gogoprog!~gogoprog@2a02:a03f:44f0:6600:71a2:8b47:f039:570d> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:56:04] *** gogoprog <gogoprog!~gogoprog@2a02:a03f:44f0:6600:71a2:8b47:f039:570d> has joined #gamedev[22:56:07] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has joined #gamedev[22:56:18] *** alystar <alystar!~alystar@2601:148:4200:36c7:d412:5414:67f3:2594> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[23:00:57] *** RandomCouch <RandomCouch!~RandomSof@207.219.200.115> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:03:43] *** LunarJetman2 <LunarJetman2!LunarJetma@94.196.247.102.threembb.co.uk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[23:06:11] *** brainzap <brainzap!~brainzap@217.22.129.78> has quit IRC (Quit: My tummy says it's time to sleep Mr. Bubbles.)[23:13:00] *** moongazer <moongazer!~moongazer@unaffiliated/moongazer> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:13:36] *** moongazer <moongazer!~moongazer@unaffiliated/moongazer> has joined #gamedev[23:17:46] *** trit <trit!~trit@pool-100-36-33-252.washdc.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:28:13] *** iLoVue <iLoVue!~DinoJS@41.107.45.109> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:28:55] *** macza <macza!~macza@162.221.202.202> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:29:07] *** david2_ <david2_!~davidbach@212-186-25-215.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[23:31:24] *** S_Gautam <S_Gautam!uid286066@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dxdaenwbifwurbyd> has joined #gamedev[23:31:31] *** cheakoirccloud <cheakoirccloud!uid293319@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aeuayatmwlgxkxtn> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[23:32:00] *** rindolf <rindolf!~rindolf@77.125.57.214> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.shlomifish.org/ ; Some people grow older and wiser. 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