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[00:35:20] <Donitzo> so, cgtrader, turbosquid, sketchfab
[00:35:40] <Donitzo> can you or can't you use the models in webgl games as fbx files
[00:35:48] <Donitzo> according to their licenses
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[00:56:20] <Madmallard> https://vimeo.com/309641946 wut u guys thin
[00:56:22] <Madmallard> think
[00:56:26] <Madmallard> how could i fix the missiles?
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[01:02:39] <Buoy172> what do you mean fix?
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[01:08:43] <Madmallard> dodigng them is nonsensical
[01:08:44] <Madmallard> lol
[01:08:51] <Madmallard> because the missiles are in rhythm, but your dodging is not
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[01:24:44] <Donitzo> what's a good scary monster
[01:25:33] <Madmallard> any monster but with really spooky lighting and sounds
[01:26:34] <R2robot> ^ music, sound and lighting really help sell a mood
[01:27:20] <Donitzo> ya but you also need some type of freaky creepy monster
[01:28:01] <Donitzo> https://www.dropbox.com/s/omb67bk490wf65x/offwell_dev_002.png?raw=1
[01:28:05] <Donitzo> this is the graphical style
[01:28:29] <Donitzo> not sure if I want story based, or survival style yet
[01:32:17] <LunarJetman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbHKdn0XScg
[01:32:44] <R2robot> Donitzo: i like the darkness. SPoopy music and sound effects would really pull that off
[01:32:53] <R2robot> echo-y drippy water
[01:33:01] <Donitzo> ofc. and you especially need a bit of an echo effect
[01:33:06] <Donitzo> to give a sense of claustrophobia
[01:33:10] <R2robot> ya
[01:34:04] <Donitzo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agWPEWophEU
[01:34:08] <Donitzo> this is more like it
[01:36:12] <Donitzo> still not a very horifying fate
[01:36:27] <Donitzo> now the protagonist of hellraiser deader had a rough time
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[01:37:55] <LunarJetman> Donitzo: good film
[01:38:01] <Donitzo> good soundtrack
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[01:42:29] <Donitzo> and another worse-than-death scenario in black mirror
[01:42:44] <Donitzo> that series sure love the idea of non-metaphysical hells
[01:43:23] <LunarJetman> There is a Bandasnatch shop in Birmingham
[01:43:34] <Donitzo> the guy from bandersnatch got off lightly
[01:43:55] <LunarJetman> https://www.expressandstar.com/entertainment/attractions/2019/01/04/black-mirror-bandersnatch-themed-pop-up-shop-appears-in-birmingham/
[01:44:25] <Donitzo> noise
[01:44:55] <LunarJetman> ?
[01:44:58] <Donitzo> nice
[01:46:22] <LunarJetman> best fight scene in a film ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-MVMbm6c0k
[01:46:52] <Donitzo> I'm here to kick ass and chew gum
[01:46:57] <Donitzo> and I'm all out of ass
[01:47:03] <Donitzo> *chew*
[01:48:23] <Donitzo> beh, I don't get why the colors are so washed out
[01:48:31] <Donitzo> I have specular highlights set to 0
[01:49:18] <LunarJetman> I think there has been a 4K remastering; need to get the Blu-ray
[01:58:09] <LunarJetman> I've just bought the They Live Collector's Edition
[01:58:28] <LunarJetman> https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07H54NY5L/ref=pe_3187911_185740111_TE_item
[02:06:44] <aeth> I don't even need to click the link to know what the scene is
[02:08:15] <dostoyevsky> Nah, best fighting scene defo is : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZak64C_DQE
[02:08:59] <Donitzo> pff, classic
[02:09:01] <Donitzo> https://www.dropbox.com/s/v9epdla4885qne3/offwell_dev_003.png?raw=1
[02:09:08] <Donitzo> nothing's like drawing on a big fat smile
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[02:22:38] <Donitzo> so what did youtube do anyway to completely ruin video recommendations
[02:22:49] <Donitzo> I won't say they shot themselves in the foot
[02:22:58] <Donitzo> it's more like, accidentally setting off a claymore on your foot
[02:26:42] <aeth> They go back and forth every 6-8 months or so between (1) recommending new and popular videos from channels you subscribe and/or watch and (2) recommending trending nonsense vaguely related to what you watch that's all trash because 95% of YouTube view time is from 5 year olds on tablets
[02:26:57] <aeth> They're back into #2 territory but they'll randomly and silently switch back to #1 again soon
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[02:27:14] <Donitzo> you know what I want
[02:27:16] <Donitzo> RELATED videos
[02:27:23] <Donitzo> when I click some music, I want RELATED music
[02:27:31] <Donitzo> not 95% of videos I have previously watched
[02:28:01] <Donitzo> so they had a system that used to work fairly good
[02:28:32] <aeth> Oh, right, they started adding in previously watched stuff, which is trash unless you listen to the same music over and over again. I don't even listen to music (except every now and then, but always in private browsing so the 50,000,000 view music videos don't pollute my recommendations when the stuff I normally watch doesn't even get 1,000,000)
[02:28:48] <aeth> At least they mark them clearly, with a red bar under it. Last time they did that briefly they didn't even do that.
[02:29:27] <aeth> It's another thing they think is a good idea for a while and then revert and then bring back
[02:29:44] <aeth> Google is a company that's... well... they A/B test so often that they don't even have a user experience anymore.
[02:30:05] <Donitzo> you like A or B?
[02:30:14] <Donitzo> here, you all get B
[02:34:59] <aeth> The best part is that I mostly watch gameplay videos on YouTube, usually the more in depth stuff.
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[02:35:47] <Donitzo> I like watching reactions to games on youtube
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[02:35:48] <aeth> So of course, the games, especially the more popular ones (i.e. the ones I care the least about and probably am never going to actually even play) are now Google's sole profile of me, and YouTube for the past year has leaked to the rest of Google. So... Google News is basically 100% gaming "news", completely useless.
[02:36:09] <aeth> Well, probably past 2-4 years actually
[02:37:30] <aeth> okay, it's not as bad as it used to be. The four articles it recommends to me are Apple, Dark Souls 1 (for some damn reason Google thinks that my primary interest in life is Dark Souls... I don't even think I watched one of those videos in a year or two at this point), Linux, and Battlefront 2.
[02:37:53] <aeth> I guess they got the Linux from my browser fingerprint.
[02:38:11] <LunarJetman> Donitzo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AUr3BtuRUI
[02:38:14] <aeth> Not sure how they think I care about Apple. Probably just generic "tech" or "mobile"
[02:38:38] <aeth> oh, and the recommendations are now one section instead of half of Google News, like the last time I was there years ago
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[02:45:45] <LunarJetman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFvvLuomw0Y
[02:49:21] <aeth> LunarJetman, Donitzo: So what games are you making?
[02:50:24] <Donitzo> just some horror game
[02:50:25] <LunarJetman> aeth: I am currently making an engine
[02:51:54] <aeth> LunarJetman: what language, platform, graphics API?
[02:52:00] <aeth> Donitzo: VR or not VR?
[02:52:06] <Donitzo> both
[02:52:16] <aeth> smart
[02:52:25] <Donitzo> reason why I use only look
[02:52:33] <LunarJetman> aeth: https://neogfx.org/
[02:53:02] <aeth> LunarJetman: GPU oriented? But I only like software rendering...
[02:53:24] <LunarJetman> heh
[02:54:30] <aeth> LunarJetman: How are you planning on supporting OS X? MoltenVK?
[02:54:42] <LunarJetman> cross that bridge...
[02:58:07] <aeth> I guess it technically is a bridge...
[02:58:33] <LunarJetman> priority is to get feature complete on OpenGL
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[03:01:21] <LunarJetman2> priority is to get feature complete on OpenGL
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[03:07:26] <dostoyevsky> priority is to get feature complete on OpenGL
[03:08:38] <LunarJetman2> yes
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[03:09:58] <aeth> priority is to get feature complete on OpenGL
[03:11:11] <LunarJetman2> yes
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[03:33:23] <solidfox> three times again.. it cant be a coincidence
[03:33:39] <solidfox> oh that was 4
[03:33:42] <solidfox> i see
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[03:59:04] <dostoyevsky> people are so anti console, they get a 2000 USD pc just so they can emulate a ps3
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[04:41:41] <LastTalon> Lol
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[04:45:45] <solidfox> dostoyevsky: who is emulating a ps3
[04:46:40] <solidfox> dostoyevsky: i barely even play games anymore. i just have a crappy acer laptop
[04:47:44] <solidfox> yes at that point why not just buy a ps3
[04:48:09] <solidfox> i have one, but i have like 5 games i play on it.. mgs1 mgs2 mgs3 mgs4 and mgsV
[04:48:12] <LastTalon> Idk. He likes playstation.
[04:48:14] <solidfox> oh and peace walker
[04:48:42] <solidfox> gtav freezes all the time :<
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[05:13:52] <myke> pc is always going to be best price/performance
[05:14:02] <myke> you can spend a lot less than $2k and still have a great rig for gaming
[05:16:01] <RoadKillGrill> $250 walmart special!!
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[05:25:00] <Donitzo> meh
[05:25:12] <Donitzo> you can always give the console to your nieces when you're bored with it
[05:27:43] * Donitzo keeps eating hot sauce
[05:28:25] <Donitzo> Should probably update my calorie counting rules to include hot sauce
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[06:21:11] <solidsnake> kept you waiting huh
[06:24:26] <aeth> As far as console vs. PC goes: (1) keyboard and mice are superior FPS and strategy input methods and you can use controllers when you want, (2) cheaper games and even when they're very cheap some money usually goes to the developer (used console games just give money to Gamestop), (3) upgradable hardware, (4) more powerful hardware
[06:25:12] <solidsnake> (5) you can also use the same machine for hash parties, and checking your email
[06:25:34] <aeth> But consoles: (1) have much cheaper hardware, (2) have more optimized games so they're not as bad as they would be on equivalent PC hardware (more of a thing when the console gen is new), (3) consistent experience, (4) if you want to play your shooters with a controller on a sofa you're not giving yourself a disadvantage, (5) have exclusives
[06:26:04] <solidsnake> aeth: do you not acknowledge my reason :<
[06:26:43] <aeth> Oh, one more thing consoles give you, especially older ones without MP, is the ability to play the game even decades later.
[06:27:43] <aeth> 30 years from now we'll be running Windows 10 emulators to play every game that doesn't have a Linux port (Linux is incredibly stable)
[06:27:48] <solidsnake> yes well exclusives are pretty much a deciding factor
[06:28:09] <solidsnake> i mean i love MGS and most of the MGS games are for console
[06:28:18] <aeth> or everything by Nintendo
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[06:45:14] <Donitzo> https://www.dropbox.com/s/k8zmhimu936d8ze/offwell_dev_005.png?raw=1
[06:45:25] <Donitzo> I'd say that's somewhat disturbing
[06:49:53] <aeth> solidsnake: oh btw point #5 acknowledged
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[07:27:27] <Tylak> Games Done Quick starts today: https://gamesdonequick.com/schedule
[07:28:40] <R2robot> not a fan
[07:31:16] <Tylak> I like the live races
[07:32:02] <Tylak> looks like Wednesday night there is a 3 team relay race on Mega Man X :D
[07:36:01] <R2robot> haha
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[11:13:24] <brainzap> konnichiwa
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[12:08:38] <dostoyevsky> gamesdonequick is not actually an event where they develop games quickly..
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[16:35:30] <Donitzo> I live, again
[16:35:36] <Donitzo> with this coffee
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[17:33:36] <dostoyevsky> Donitzo: I didn't know you were a zombie
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[18:51:31] <baudejogos> must resist coffee
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[18:55:40] <solidfox> baudejogos: try tea?
[18:55:54] <solidfox> there is a ##tea channel to help you get started with the right kind of tea
[18:58:25] <baudejogos> is beaky there?
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[19:02:16] <solidfox> baudejogos: yes beaky is there
[19:02:21] <solidfox> he is a super elite
[19:02:24] <solidfox> tea master
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[19:43:28] <Donitzo> bleh
[19:43:45] <Donitzo> I hate it when people confuse reviewing something for telling a synposis
[19:43:54] <Donitzo> synopsis*
[19:44:12] <Donitzo> and then this happens and then that happens
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[19:50:02] <solidfox> so with unity there is like no code involved
[19:51:13] <solidfox> but im g00d at code
[19:55:56] <baudejogos> Donitzo: what is the difference? XD
[19:56:19] <Donitzo> there's plenty of code involved
[19:56:42] <baudejogos> solidfox: that's why I don't use Unity
[20:00:42] <solidfox> baudejogos: im gonna switch to unreal when i become elite
[20:00:47] <solidfox> im a n00b at games
[20:03:39] <baudejogos> once you learn how to use opengl and how to create FSMs, games are easy
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[20:19:01] <solidfox> FSMs?
[20:19:17] <solidfox> oh
[20:19:21] <solidfox> finite state machine
[20:19:38] <solidfox> yeah i did that with my tetris game. and i did some sdl2 programming in rust
[20:19:52] <solidfox> soon my tetris clone will have sdl2 as well
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[21:01:15] <rindolf> solidfox: sup?
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[21:05:14] <solidfox> rindolf: not much
[21:07:41] <solidfox> rindolf: you?
[21:09:11] <rindolf> solidfox: I'm building py's pandas
[21:09:27] <rindolf> solidfox: and fuzz bu
[21:09:38] <rindolf> solidfox: and fuzz building fc-solve for warnings
[21:10:07] <brainzap> the long dark is canada simulator
[21:10:14] <brainzap> green hell is rain forest simulator
[21:10:22] <brainzap> i need New York simulator, how to survive as hobo
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[21:40:21] <Iolo> I think The Division™ is a pretty good first approximation to daily life in NYC, except everyone coughs slightly more often because of the disease.
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[21:44:16] <brainzap> actually there was a game on PS where you walked around as girl asking for food, it was horrible
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[22:22:45] <baudejogos> not bad Bandersnatch
[22:22:50] <baudejogos> could be better though
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[22:43:41] <baudejogos> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY0HC6f3jz8 :)
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